[Cialug] OT: Farming of e-mail addresses

[cialug@cialug.org]

The fact that I got the e-mail at both addresses leads me to believe they pulled
them from the archives.  I usually submit to the list from this address, mainly
because the other forwards to GMail and I can't set the From address (I can set
the reply-to, but the list server balks at the unknown From).  So if they got
both addresses, they had to have looked through older messages that had the
other address.

I think the addresses should definitely get obfuscated, or removed entirely when
archived.  I get a lot of SPAM at the other address, and I used that address 3
places.  That means it had to come from the LUG, RedHat, or meetup.com (from the
Slashdot Meetup groups).  I doubt RedHat sold the address, it could've been
meetup.com, but I suspect it was gleened from the archives.  I know at one point
I did a search, and found my address shown in messages on the archives.  When
quoting a message I submitted, instead of it having:
"Tim Wilson wrote:"

It had my address.  Actually, looking at this thread, messages coming from
several servers have this address instead of my name.

I don't have a problem with job opportunities getting posted to the list, we've
had it done before.  I think that's fine, especially since I know people looking
for jobs.  But, to grab the addresses and send the e-mail "behind our backs"
seems anti-social.  Following the rule of "never buy anything sold via SPAM"
still holds true in this case.  Would I really want someone placing me that was
unethical enough to steal addresses and SPAM a bunch of people?

--
Tim W.


> Could they be getting them from the list archives?  There are mailman
> settings to "obfuscate" email addresses (smith from ipmvs dot com)  and to
> make the archives off-limits except to list members.  (that won't help if
> they join the list though).  We could also add a policy to the first message
> the list sends (and the bottom of every message) that indicates proper uses
> of the lists and addresses.
> 
> -Nate
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Pohl [mailto:tom@tcpconsulting.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:03 AM
> To: cialug@cialug.org
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] OT: Farming of e-mail addresses
> 
> 
> 
> It appears that they sent it through xroads.net mail server.  Their TOS 
> are located here: http://xroads.net/Terms%20and%20Conditions.pdf
> 
> Unfortunately, the terms seem very vague and don't seem to have the 
> normal "don't do illegal things" in it.  If we really wanted to be 
> bastards, I'd say let's complain to their ISP, but since they offer 
> consulting services, I'd bet that they setup the scraping system that 
> they use ;)
> 
> -Tom
> 
> On Apr 6, 2005, at 9:51 AM, Jon Clemons wrote:
> 
> > Yes, I received the same message.
> > I replied inquiring where they obtained my email address
> > and got a run around non response.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: <timwilson011@mchsi.com>
> > To: <cialug@cialug.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 9:45 AM
> > Subject: [Cialug] OT: Farming of e-mail addresses
> >
> >
> >> All,
> >>
> >> I recently received an e-mail from Amanda Matijevich of Executive
> >> Resources.  At
> >> first, I thought this was a post to the list, but I later realized 
> >> the Subject
> >> line did not of the typical [Cialug] pre-pended to it.  This message 
> >> was
> >> received at two different e-mail addresses.  Both e-mail addresses are
> >> subscribed to the LUG list.  I can see SPAM appearing on one or the 
> >> other
> >> address, but not both at the same time.  Call my paranoid, but it 
> >> appears
> >> someone is farming our e-mail addresses for their own personal gain.  
> >> Has anyone
> >> else received this message?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Tim W.
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> >
> >
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