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whoa is that corn?


At 04:25 PM 11/3/2004, you wrote:
>I think I'm gonna barf... (barf barf)..
>
>On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 15:34, Chris Hilton wrote:
> > I'm well aware of the Anti-trust case with MS, and of the Patriot Act.
> > I was referring to the SCO case.
> > The Patriot Act has no direct problem with OSS that I can see; I don't
> > see how it would hamper the development of free software.
> > While I understand the political dangers of the Patriot Act, the odds of
> > it directly affecting you seem to be slim (unless there is some kind of
> > nationwide internet activity snooping ordered by the President).
> > Disagree with it I may, lose sleep over it I won't.
> > And the Anti-trust case with MS; oh well.  It didn't go the way I'd like
> > it to have (although at the time I was on MS's side) now; but once again
> > it's a little thing in life.  Ultimately, MS is the consumers fault for
> > investing in the company; blaming the Government for not destroying it
> > is taking blame away from the people truly at fault: stupid spend-thrift
> > American consumers ;).
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 14:20 -0600, David Champion wrote:
> > > Go re-read the history on the MS Anti-Trust case. The Executive Branch
> > > intervened. Read up on the Patriot Act, which gives the Executive Branch
> > > powers with no checks and balances from either the Legislative Branch,
> > > or the Judicial Branch (there's a minor "check" with no recourse). There
> > > was a very good documentary on the Patriot Act on the PBS show
> > > Frontline, I believe you can watch episodes on their web site.
> > >
> > > Judges are not necessarily politcally neutral, and in the case of the
> > > Supreme court are appointed by the Executive Branch, and approved by the
> > > Legislative Branch. We will likely have a couple of appointments to the
> > > Supreme Court in the next 4 years, and they will likely be very
> > > conservative people.
> > >
> > > -dc
> > >
> > > Chris Hilton wrote:
> > >
> > > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but in our wonderful system judges are to be
> > > > impartial and are not up for election by vote; they are appointed 
> but do
> > > > you really think that Kerry would have revolutionized our whole 
> judicial
> > > > system (since that would be impossible).
> > > > Worry about DMCA, fcc, and others; but blaiming the executive 
> branch for
> > > > court decisions is just failing to hold the correct people accountable.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry if that was political, I am attempting to stick to just what is
> > > > set out as our law and avoid current people involved.  Hopefully calm
> > > > some fears.  But politically, neither candidate seemed like they would
> > > > help or even knew how on all things P.C.
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 13:51 -0600, David Champion wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>D. Joe Anderson wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>>On Wed, Nov 03, 2004 at 10:52:23AM -0600, Academician Kula wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>On Wed, Nov 03, 2004 at 10:29:58AM -0600, admin@c0wzftp.com wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>[general off-topic political comments ellided]
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>Folks, I'd hate to see this list devolve to this. Could we cut it
> > > >>>>off here, please?
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>THANK YOU.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Freedom is really "on the march," at least on the computers of
> > > >>>most of the people on this mailing list.  That's something, at
> > > >>>least, I'm happy to read about and talk about on this mailing
> > > >>>list.
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >>For now... but just because we enjoy a huge amount of Freedom in our
> > > >>little corner of the world doesn't mean that will continue to be the
> > > >>case. Complacency will lose you that freedom.
> > > >>
> > > >>One of my biggest fears is that with the current administratioin's
> > > >>policies towards things like the EPA, the FCC, the Patriot Act, the
> > > >>DMCA, the Microsoft anti-trust case, ... , how confident do you feel
> > > >>that lawsuits involving the defence of Open Source / Free Software 
> will
> > > >>get a fair shake? They've pretty much proven that they will ignore
> > > >>science and public opinion in favor of corporate interests.
> > > >>
> > > >>Fortunately the only big OSS related case pending is the SCO case, and
> > > >>it would be tough for any judge to blow that one. But, you've got some
> > > >>of the same parties involved in this case as the MS case, and look how
> > > >>that turned out.
> > > >>
> > > >>-dc
> > >
> > >
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