<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">The Pentium 4 660 (the one in the development boxes) is capable of 64 bit.<BR><DIV> <DIV>-- </DIV> <DIV>Jon Thompson</DIV> <DIV>Jon Thompson Consulting</DIV> <DIV><A href="mailto:jon@mac-consultant.com">jon@mac-consultant.com</A></DIV> <DIV>(515) 360-0250</DIV> </DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Jun 9, 2005, at 8:13 PM, Bill Davis wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Actually, I read somewhere in the last few days that ALL Intel Pentium family processors will have 64 bit capabilities by the end of the year, but I don't know more details than that.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>Gotta find that Intel Roadmap.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>And hope I can understand it....processors have changed a LOT since the days when I actually occasionally wrote code down at the processor-specific (assembly language) level -- that was back in the 680x0 and earlier days....and then not that much.</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Frankly, for most of the market 64 bit is still a non-issue, and will be for a number of<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>years yet.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>Unless your RAM needs are truly massive, and they aren't for normal business uses and home uses, it needn't concern you much.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>A 64 bit processor in a iMac or Mac Mini is useless for most folks.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>A PowerBook less so, or even an iBook as some people need portable power. <SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>A PowerMac, of course, is another story.</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Frankly, I'd like it if they continued to support the PowerPC and maybe also supprt AMD or other processors...forever. Support the OS work on multiple platforms and use the appropriate processor for the appropriate task and best value. <SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>If the G5 is better, use that.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>Use Intel for the laptops and mini. <SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>Whatever works best for the market being targeted.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>The predecessor to OS X from NeXT supported 4 or 5 different processes (68k, Intel, PowerPC, and one or two others) after all, so this switch is nothing it hasn't been capable of for a decade!<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>- Bill</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">On Jun 9, 2005, at 6:55 PM, Matthew Wheeler wrote:</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Also today on MacFixit:</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Apple not pursuing 64-bit Intel processors? Preview of difficulty in porting.</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><<A href="http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20050607081920942">http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20050607081920942</A>></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Perhaps Apple will sell *more* of the current G5's due to this change?</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">MW</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">On Jun 8, 2005, at 10:23 PM, Russ Carlson wrote:</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 15.0px Helvetica"><B>For better or worse, we are all in for a headache</B></FONT></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; min-height: 14.0px"><FONT face="Times" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Times"><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></FONT><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></P><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Times; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Times" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Times"><I>by Ted Landau</I><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Times; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Times" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Times">So...as Steve Jobs revealed at the WWDC Keynote address today, Apple intends to have its complete Mac line running on Intel processors by 2007. A demo version of the Mac OS running on a Pentium processor was shown at the Keynote. It was using an Intel-based version of Mac OS X that Jobs said had been in development for years.</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Times; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">...</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Times" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Times">Personally, I trust Steve enough to know that he would not have made this move on a whim. He would need to be convinced that there was no better option. Still, that doesn't mean it is good news for Mac users. Personally, I am feeling a bit nervous right now. 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