From rbowler at mchsi.com  Mon Mar  1 21:16:21 2010
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 21:16:21 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] scanning negatives
Message-ID: <05037B2B-1CE9-4F68-B2B2-18596AF81AB7@mchsi.com>

Hi,

When I am scanning negatives I will frequently find one which is very  
light so that I know it will be dark when it is scanned but when I  
look at it against a light I can see that there is something in the  
negative but when I scan it it is so dark that I cannot lighten it  
enough to show any image. Is there any way of lighting it enough in  
the scan stage to catch what image there might be?

Ray Bowler
rbowler at mchsi.com




From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Tue Mar  2 07:33:43 2010
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 07:33:43 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] PSE "Save as.."
In-Reply-To: <49BC6356-0A3F-4CB6-BBD0-0B78EAA41851@mchsi.com>
References: <49BC6356-0A3F-4CB6-BBD0-0B78EAA41851@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <p0624082ec7b2c3eb41de@[10.0.1.6]>

Ray, did you ever get an answer?  I use Default Folder, shareware, to 
assign keystrokes and open/save selections == otherwise I think in 
PSE you can set up whatever target folder you want = it's in 
Preferences I think.  If not, just save where it saves then gather up 
the pics and move them to the folder you want??

>Hi,
>
>I thought I had asked this before but I cannot find the answer in my 
>files. I am scanning and saving a series of negatives. They are 
>scanned into PSE, edited and then I use "Save as.." to save them. In 
>the save window the Picture directory is selected and then I select a 
>subdirectory into  which I want to save the image. How can I get the 
>"Save As.." box to open into the directory into which I want to save 
>the file without the step of selecting a subdirectory?
>
>Ray Bowler
>rbowler at mchsi.com

-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Gallery: 
http://gallery.journeyzing.com/  [photography];  Blogs: 
http://blog.journeyzing.com [JZ];  http://www.herringlaw.com 
[lawfirm]; http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/ 
[personal]; Twitter: VictoriaJZ.

From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Tue Mar  2 07:36:15 2010
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 07:36:15 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Is there a MEETING Tonight?
In-Reply-To: <865f37f31002231605n1e7ecffbn6f399e40904c42bf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B8445E0.4000605@grm.net>
	<865f37f31002231605n1e7ecffbn6f399e40904c42bf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p0624082fc7b2c44d58c4@[10.0.1.6]>

I was out of state so didn't get the Q -- unless and until there are 
people who will take charge, holding a meeting will depend on someone 
coming up with a program and seeing the meeting is held on an ad hoc 
and volunteer basis = as a courtesy we should either decide to meet 
or not = Dan Shipton kindly opens his building/office to us when he 
could be doing something else and if we are not going to meet we 
shouldn't put him out.

-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Gallery: 
http://gallery.journeyzing.com/  [photography];  Blogs: 
http://blog.journeyzing.com [JZ];  http://www.herringlaw.com 
[lawfirm]; http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/ 
[personal]; Twitter: VictoriaJZ.

From rbowler at mchsi.com  Tue Mar  2 07:49:34 2010
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 07:49:34 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] PSE "Save as.."
In-Reply-To: <p0624082ec7b2c3eb41de@[10.0.1.6]>
References: <49BC6356-0A3F-4CB6-BBD0-0B78EAA41851@mchsi.com>
	<p0624082ec7b2c3eb41de@[10.0.1.6]>
Message-ID: <B7F5A9B1-4134-4CED-B732-39FE9774C74D@mchsi.com>

Vvictoria,

Yours is the only answer I have received. I can't find any place in  
PSE for a default folder. I finally just saved them in the pictures  
folder and then did a drag and drop at the end of each session.
Ray

On Mar 2, 2010, at Mar 2, 20107:33 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> Ray, did you ever get an answer?  I use Default Folder, shareware, to
> assign keystrokes and open/save selections == otherwise I think in
> PSE you can set up whatever target folder you want = it's in
> Preferences I think.  If not, just save where it saves then gather up
> the pics and move them to the folder you want??
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I thought I had asked this before but I cannot find the answer in my
>> files. I am scanning and saving a series of negatives. They are
>> scanned into PSE, edited and then I use "Save as.." to save them. In
>> the save window the Picture directory is selected and then I select a
>> subdirectory into  which I want to save the image. How can I get the
>> "Save As.." box to open into the directory into which I want to save
>> the file without the step of selecting a subdirectory?
>>
>> Ray Bowler
>> rbowler at mchsi.com
>
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Gallery:
> http://gallery.journeyzing.com/  [photography];  Blogs:
> http://blog.journeyzing.com [JZ];  http://www.herringlaw.com
> [lawfirm]; http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/
> [personal]; Twitter: VictoriaJZ.
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> DMMUG at dmmug.org
> Use this page to modify subscription options:
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug

Ray Bowler
rbowler at mchsi.com




From hfwelch at mac.com  Tue Mar  2 09:27:45 2010
From: hfwelch at mac.com (Holly Welch)
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 09:27:45 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Is there a MEETING Tonight?
In-Reply-To: <p0624082fc7b2c44d58c4@[10.0.1.6]>
References: <4B8445E0.4000605@grm.net>
	<865f37f31002231605n1e7ecffbn6f399e40904c42bf@mail.gmail.com>
	<p0624082fc7b2c44d58c4@[10.0.1.6]>
Message-ID: <312009DC-4338-4980-87EE-122E5951B049@mac.com>


I think it is time to change leadership. I resigned a couple of years ago, so there has been no one in charge of programs. We need a little rejuvenation. Victoria has had the whole ball of wax on her plate, and she is extremely busy with her many endeavors. Do we have anyone who is interested in keeping the group going? With Jon's new  focus on his Mac program, maybe this would be a good time to make some changes and create a new focus.

Anyone???
 
Mar 2, 2010, at 7:36 Aso there has been no one in chargeM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> I was out of state so didn't get the Q -- unless and until there are 
> people who will take charge, holding a meeting will depend on someone 
> coming up with a program and seeing the meeting is held on an ad hoc 
> and volunteer basis = as a courtesy we should either decide to meet 
> or not = Dan Shipton kindly opens his building/office to us when he 
> could be doing something else and if we are not going to meet we 
> shouldn't put him out.
> 
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Gallery: 
> http://gallery.journeyzing.com/  [photography];  Blogs: 
> http://blog.journeyzing.com [JZ];  http://www.herringlaw.com 
> [lawfirm]; http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/ 
> [personal]; Twitter: VictoriaJZ.
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> DMMUG at dmmug.org
> Use this page to modify subscription options:
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug


From studias at msn.com  Tue Mar  2 10:59:02 2010
From: studias at msn.com (Geoffrey Stevens)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 09:59:02 -0700
Subject: [DM-MUG] Is there a MEETING Tonight?
In-Reply-To: <312009DC-4338-4980-87EE-122E5951B049@mac.com>
References: <4B8445E0.4000605@grm.net>,
	<865f37f31002231605n1e7ecffbn6f399e40904c42bf@mail.gmail.com>,
	<p0624082fc7b2c44d58c4@[10.0.1.6]>,
	<312009DC-4338-4980-87EE-122E5951B049@mac.com>
Message-ID: <COL121-W5098AB14612962A544CCDEA83B0@phx.gbl>


No, the meetings are the forth Tuesday of the month, as always.There was a little discussion about meeting on last Tuesday (on Feb 23rd - the last Tuesday of February) but there was not a lot of interest.
<<<>>>

> From: hfwelch at mac.com
> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 09:27:45 -0600
> To: dmmug at dmmug.org
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Is there a MEETING Tonight?
> 
> 
> I think it is time to change leadership. I resigned a couple of years ago, so there has been no one in charge of programs. We need a little rejuvenation. Victoria has had the whole ball of wax on her plate, and she is extremely busy with her many endeavors. Do we have anyone who is interested in keeping the group going? With Jon's new  focus on his Mac program, maybe this would be a good time to make some changes and create a new focus.
> 
> Anyone???
>  
> Mar 2, 2010, at 7:36 Aso there has been no one in chargeM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
> 
> > I was out of state so didn't get the Q -- unless and until there are 
> > people who will take charge, holding a meeting will depend on someone 
> > coming up with a program and seeing the meeting is held on an ad hoc 
> > and volunteer basis = as a courtesy we should either decide to meet 
> > or not = Dan Shipton kindly opens his building/office to us when he 
> > could be doing something else and if we are not going to meet we 
> > shouldn't put him out.
> > 
> > -- 
> > Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Gallery: 
> > http://gallery.journeyzing.com/  [photography];  Blogs: 
> > http://blog.journeyzing.com [JZ];  http://www.herringlaw.com 
> > [lawfirm]; http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/ 
> > [personal]; Twitter: VictoriaJZ.
> > _______________________________________________
> > DMMUG mailing list
> > Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> > DMMUG at dmmug.org
> > Use this page to modify subscription options:
> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com  Tue Mar  2 13:57:38 2010
From: jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 13:57:38 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Is there a MEETING Tonight?
In-Reply-To: <COL121-W5098AB14612962A544CCDEA83B0@phx.gbl>
References: <4B8445E0.4000605@grm.net>
	<865f37f31002231605n1e7ecffbn6f399e40904c42bf@mail.gmail.com>
	<p0624082fc7b2c44d58c4@10.0.1.6>
	<312009DC-4338-4980-87EE-122E5951B049@mac.com>
	<COL121-W5098AB14612962A544CCDEA83B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <865f37f31003021157l6b76b8c1m8de7ad046289dfb0@mail.gmail.com>

I have several ventures on my plate already, one of which debuts
tonight at 8. I really don't have the time to head up another
organization, or really even to present anymore, so I'm taking my name
our of contention entirely for any sort of leadership position. Sorry.

On Tuesday, March 2, 2010, Geoffrey Stevens <studias at msn.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> No, the meetings are the forth Tuesday of the month, as always.There was a little discussion about meeting on last Tuesday (on Feb 23rd - the last Tuesday of February) but there was not a lot of interest.
> <<<>>>
>
>> From: hfwelch at mac.com
>> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 09:27:45 -0600
>> To: dmmug at dmmug.org
>> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Is there a MEETING Tonight?
>>
>>
>> I think it is time to change leadership. I resigned a couple of years ago, so there has been no one in charge of programs. We need a little rejuvenation. Victoria has had the whole ball of wax on her plate, and she is extremely busy with her many endeavors. Do we have anyone who is interested in keeping the group going? With Jon's new  focus on his Mac program, maybe this would be a good time to make some changes and create a new focus.
>>
>> Anyone???
>>
>> Mar 2, 2010, at 7:36 Aso there has been no one in chargeM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
>>
>> > I was out of state so didn't get the Q -- unless and until there are
>> > people who will take charge, holding a meeting will depend on someone
>> > coming up with a program and seeing the meeting is held on an ad hoc
>> > and volunteer basis = as a courtesy we should either decide to meet
>> > or not = Dan Shipton kindly opens his building/office to us when he
>> > could be doing something else and if we are not going to meet we
>> > shouldn't put him out.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Gallery:
>> > http://gallery.journeyzing.com/  [photography];  Blogs:
>> > http://blog.journeyzing.com [JZ];  http://www.herringlaw.com
>> > [lawfirm]; http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/
>> > [personal]; Twitter: VictoriaJZ.
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > DMMUG mailing list
>> > Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>> > DMMUG at dmmug.org
>> > Use this page to modify subscription options:
>> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> DMMUG mailing list
>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>> DMMUG at dmmug.org
>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>  		 	   		
>

-- 
-- 
Jon Thompson
Evolve
www.dmevolve.com
Macintosh IT Management for Small and Large Business

From hfwelch at mac.com  Tue Mar  2 13:58:54 2010
From: hfwelch at mac.com (Holly Welch)
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 13:58:54 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Is there a MEETING Tonight?
In-Reply-To: <865f37f31003021157l6b76b8c1m8de7ad046289dfb0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B8445E0.4000605@grm.net>
	<865f37f31002231605n1e7ecffbn6f399e40904c42bf@mail.gmail.com>
	<p0624082fc7b2c44d58c4@10.0.1.6>
	<312009DC-4338-4980-87EE-122E5951B049@mac.com>
	<COL121-W5098AB14612962A544CCDEA83B0@phx.gbl>
	<865f37f31003021157l6b76b8c1m8de7ad046289dfb0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D7F51633-BDC1-4BDB-BFD5-AF0C8A21331B@mac.com>

I wasn't thinking of you leading, just creating interest! No way would I give you another "monkey on your back." Good luck tonight! I'll be listening!!
Holly
On Mar 2, 2010, at 1:57 PM, Jon Thompson wrote:

> I have several ventures on my plate already, one of which debuts
> tonight at 8. I really don't have the time to head up another
> organization, or really even to present anymore, so I'm taking my name
> our of contention entirely for any sort of leadership position. Sorry.
> 
> On Tuesday, March 2, 2010, Geoffrey Stevens <studias at msn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> No, the meetings are the forth Tuesday of the month, as always.There was a little discussion about meeting on last Tuesday (on Feb 23rd - the last Tuesday of February) but there was not a lot of interest.
>> <<<>>>
>> 
>>> From: hfwelch at mac.com
>>> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 09:27:45 -0600
>>> To: dmmug at dmmug.org
>>> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Is there a MEETING Tonight?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I think it is time to change leadership. I resigned a couple of years ago, so there has been no one in charge of programs. We need a little rejuvenation. Victoria has had the whole ball of wax on her plate, and she is extremely busy with her many endeavors. Do we have anyone who is interested in keeping the group going? With Jon's new  focus on his Mac program, maybe this would be a good time to make some changes and create a new focus.
>>> 
>>> Anyone???
>>> 
>>> Mar 2, 2010, at 7:36 Aso there has been no one in chargeM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I was out of state so didn't get the Q -- unless and until there are
>>>> people who will take charge, holding a meeting will depend on someone
>>>> coming up with a program and seeing the meeting is held on an ad hoc
>>>> and volunteer basis = as a courtesy we should either decide to meet
>>>> or not = Dan Shipton kindly opens his building/office to us when he
>>>> could be doing something else and if we are not going to meet we
>>>> shouldn't put him out.
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Gallery:
>>>> http://gallery.journeyzing.com/  [photography];  Blogs:
>>>> http://blog.journeyzing.com [JZ];  http://www.herringlaw.com
>>>> [lawfirm]; http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/
>>>> [personal]; Twitter: VictoriaJZ.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> DMMUG mailing list
>>>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>>>> DMMUG at dmmug.org
>>>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> DMMUG mailing list
>>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>>> DMMUG at dmmug.org
>>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>> 		 	   		
>> 
> 
> -- 
> -- 
> Jon Thompson
> Evolve
> www.dmevolve.com
> Macintosh IT Management for Small and Large Business
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From myztikjenz at gmail.com  Thu Mar  4 13:32:58 2010
From: myztikjenz at gmail.com (Jim Turner)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 13:32:58 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Mac Box Set on Craigslist
Message-ID: <bf8839001003041132n16d260f8m3f478e3229b0c2b7@mail.gmail.com>

Told my coach I'd post this to the User Group to see if anyone was
interested. He has a box set of Snow Leopard, iLife '09, and iWork
'09, brand new (just the wrapping removed) he's trying to sell for
$129

http://desmoines.craigslist.org/sys/1623199762.html

Jim

From Victoria at JourneyZing.com  Thu Mar  4 13:54:32 2010
From: Victoria at JourneyZing.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 13:54:32 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Trust reporting ref. DMMUG account
Message-ID: <p0624081bc7b5c00c79db@[10.0.1.6]>

As you may recall, we took in contributions to cover the cost of 
re-upping our website and domain registration.  We took in a total of 
$163.00.

We paid Bryan back the money he advanced for the registration 
[$82.44] and we now have $80.56 in our 'treasury' available for use. 
I'm not suggesting we use it up, but just want everyone to know there 
is this 'kitty' there and if there is a need or a use for it, it's 
there.

Victoria
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Gallery: 
http://gallery.journeyzing.com/  [photography];  Blogs: 
http://blog.journeyzing.com [JZ];  http://www.herringlaw.com 
[lawfirm]; http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/ 
[personal]; Twitter: VictoriaJZ.

From victoria at journeyzing.com  Sun Mar  7 15:18:43 2010
From: victoria at journeyzing.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 15:18:43 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] AUGD online newsletter
Message-ID: <p0624080bc76b9cd02e8a@[10.0.1.6]>

I get this and will be forwarding the index of the issue  to the 
list.  If you don't want me to do this, please advise.  This is from 
Apple's USer Group listserve.  You can find full text yourself at the 
links below.

>>Subject: AUGD: Mug InfoManager for Monday, JANUARY 4, 2010
>>
>>
>>InfoManager for Monday, January 4, 2010
>>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>>by Lynn Wegley, InfoManager, with coeditor Fred Showker
>>
>>What's Here:
>>01  Checklist for Year-End
>>02  2010 iPhone starter
>>03  SafeNet: a new decade
>>04  VGA wall outlets
>>05  iPhone Apps Gold Rush
>>06  The Labyrinth
>>07  FileInfo
>>08  OSX tutorials
>>09  15 secret iPhone tips and tricks
>>10  64 Things Every Geek Should Know
>>11  Quotes: Emerson, Johnson
>>
>>* Participate: <http://www.UGNN.com/>http://www.UGNN.com/
>>* Follow and Be Followed: 
>><http://twitter.com/UGNnet>http://twitter.com/UGNnet
>>
>>Subscribe:
>><http://mac-pro.net/mailman/listinfo/infomanager_mac-pro.net>http://mac-pro.net/mailman/listinfo/infomanager_mac-pro.net
>>

--
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [lawfirm]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal]; 
Twitter: VictoriaJZ.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Gallery: 
http://gallery.journeyzing.com/  [photography];  Blogs: 
http://blog.journeyzing.com [JZ];  http://www.herringlaw.com 
[lawfirm]; http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/ 
[personal]; Twitter: VictoriaJZ.
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From aaron.jensen at mac.com  Sun Mar  7 17:49:54 2010
From: aaron.jensen at mac.com (Aaron Jensen)
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 17:49:54 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Document Management
Message-ID: <5965EB25-3F26-4ABC-9DCE-4453776AC32D@mac.com>

I recently purchased a Fujitsu ScanSnap s300m with the intention of eliminating most of the paper in my life.  I have been reviewing a few different software options for personal document management and wondered if any of you have done the same.  Does anyone have experience with DEVONthink, NeatWorks, Paperless, etc.?

I have also read about people using Evernote for this but I am not sure how comfortable I am with putting certain information into the cloud.

One issue seems to be data portability once it has been imported or scanned into an application.

Thanks,
Aaron

From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Sun Mar  7 18:01:14 2010
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 18:01:14 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: ATPM 16.01
Message-ID: <p0624080cc76b9dba6588@[10.0.1.6]>

Same thing, this is something you can checkout yourself but I'll send 
the parts to alert you its contents - again, if you won't want me to 
do this just say so.  You can always delete them of course.

>>From: ATPM Notification List 
>><<mailto:atpm-notify at atpm.com>atpm-notify at atpm.com>
>>
>>Date: January 3, 2010 12:51:35 PM CST
>>
>>To: <mailto:atpm-notify at atpm.com>atpm-notify at atpm.com
>>
>>Subject: ATPM 16.01
>>
>>Reply-To: <mailto:atpm-notify at atpm.com>atpm-notify at atpm.com
>>
>>
>>Dear ATPM Notify subscriber:
>>
>>The staff of ATPM (About This Particular Macintosh) is pleased to 
>>announce the release of issue 16.01 for January 2010.
>>
>>Read it Online:
>>
>>    <<http://www.atpm.com/16.01/>http://www.atpm.com/16.01/>
>>
>>Download Links:
>>
>>*   Offline Webzine
>> 
>>   <<http://www.atpm.com/Back/downloads/ATPM-1601-web.dmg>http://www.atpm.com/Back/downloads/ATPM-1601-web.dmg>
>>
>>*   PDF (print-optimized)
>> 
>>   <<http://www.atpm.com/Back/pdf/ATPM-1601-print.pdf>http://www.atpm.com/Back/pdf/ATPM-1601-print.pdf>
>>
>>*   PDF (screen-optimized)
>> 
>>   <<http://www.atpm.com/Back/pdf/ATPM-1601-screen.pdf>http://www.atpm.com/Back/pdf/ATPM-1601-screen.pdf>
>>-------
>>Warm up to each issue of _ATPM_ with a brief welcome by Robert Paul 
>>Leitao and a spin of what's been going on that could affect your 
>>personal computing experience. This month: when it comes to talking 
>>about a rumored Apple product, we must begin by looking at the 
>>beginnings before the beginnings began.
>>
>>http://www.atpm.com/16.01/welcome.shtml
>>
>>This month: My First Mac, PDFClerk Pro, Qaptain Qwerty, MacMuser, 
>>and Apple Keyboard.
>>
>>http://www.atpm.com/16.01/e-mail.shtml
>>
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From victoria at journeyzing.com  Sun Mar  7 18:08:32 2010
From: victoria at journeyzing.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 18:08:32 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Document Management
In-Reply-To: <5965EB25-3F26-4ABC-9DCE-4453776AC32D@mac.com>
References: <5965EB25-3F26-4ABC-9DCE-4453776AC32D@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p06240804c7b9efeb8705@[10.0.1.6]>

Aaron, if you're a lawyer you should join MacLaw list because this is 
a big topic there.
I have the S300m and the S1500m ScanSnap [great machines] and use 
them with the Acrobat software that comes with them.

As for document management there are all sorts of options.  Depends 
on what you need and all that.  I have DevonThink, Yep, Leap etc. but 
still tend to use the finder...this year may be the one that I check 
them out.  So, let us know more.

As far as cloud= Evernote is good but again, I don't think it's 'the' 
answer....I've used it too but stopped because my iPhone couldn't 
access the data without wifi running.  Dropbox is what I use now.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Gallery: 
http://gallery.journeyzing.com/  [photography];  Blogs: 
http://blog.journeyzing.com [JZ];  http://www.herringlaw.com 
[lawfirm]; http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/ 
[personal]; Twitter: VictoriaJZ.

From aaron.jensen at mac.com  Sun Mar  7 20:37:59 2010
From: aaron.jensen at mac.com (Aaron Jensen)
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 20:37:59 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Document Management
In-Reply-To: <p06240804c7b9efeb8705@[10.0.1.6]>
References: <5965EB25-3F26-4ABC-9DCE-4453776AC32D@mac.com>
	<p06240804c7b9efeb8705@[10.0.1.6]>
Message-ID: <F9AD43F4-28A5-495B-B492-81F79651AA17@mac.com>

I'm not a lawyer but I will have to check the list archives and see if there is any information that could be of help.

The S300M seems great so far.  For the time being, I am just looking for a solution for my personal documents.  Do you think DEVONthink would be overkill?

It almost seems like a folder based system using the Finder/Spotlight would be a good way to start for now.  From what I can tell, this is about the only solution that allows for complete data portability.  Once I've started using DEVONthink or NeatWorks it would be a great hassle to change my mind.

Thank you for the information.

Aaron

On Mar 7, 2010, at 6:08 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> Aaron, if you're a lawyer you should join MacLaw list because this is 
> a big topic there.
> I have the S300m and the S1500m ScanSnap [great machines] and use 
> them with the Acrobat software that comes with them.
> 
> As for document management there are all sorts of options.  Depends 
> on what you need and all that.  I have DevonThink, Yep, Leap etc. but 
> still tend to use the finder...this year may be the one that I check 
> them out.  So, let us know more.
> 
> As far as cloud= Evernote is good but again, I don't think it's 'the' 
> answer....I've used it too but stopped because my iPhone couldn't 
> access the data without wifi running.  Dropbox is what I use now.
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Gallery: 
> http://gallery.journeyzing.com/  [photography];  Blogs: 
> http://blog.journeyzing.com [JZ];  http://www.herringlaw.com 
> [lawfirm]; http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/ 
> [personal]; Twitter: VictoriaJZ.
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From Victoria at JourneyZing.com  Mon Mar  8 16:54:47 2010
From: Victoria at JourneyZing.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 16:54:47 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] looking for a program to record audio and video from Skype
	call
Message-ID: <p06240826c7bb30b2b508@[10.0.1.6]>

I want to record a Skype call with our daughter [audio and video] and 
found some programs for $30-50 but wonder if there is any other way. 
I do have Audio Hijack but that's only audio = I want both that and 
video.  I did find a 2006 article about it...Any other suggestions??

http://www.voip-sol.com/15-apps-for-recording-skype-conversations/
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Gallery: 
http://gallery.journeyzing.com/  [photography];  Blogs: 
http://blog.journeyzing.com [JZ];  http://www.herringlaw.com 
[lawfirm]; http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/ 
[personal]; Twitter: VictoriaJZ.

From inflatablesoulmate at brothersofchaos.com  Mon Mar  8 21:45:29 2010
From: inflatablesoulmate at brothersofchaos.com (Matt Stanton)
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 21:45:29 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] For all the Mac Gamers
Message-ID: <4B95C459.6090605@brothersofchaos.com>

Dunno how many 'Mac Gamers' there may be on the list, but I thought I'd 
point this out in case anyone hasn't seen it, yet.

http://www.macrumors.com/2010/03/08/valve-officially-announces-steam-and-game-library-coming-to-mac-in-april/

Valve Software recently announced that they are making the Steam client 
available for Macintosh, but even more surprisingly, they are porting 
their Source game engine to Mac OS X.  In April, they are supposedly 
making their full line of Source engine games available for Mac.

For those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, Valve software 
has been one of the most impressive game studios for the past probably 
10 years.  The Source engine powers games such as Team Fortress 2, Left 
4 Dead (1 and 2), Portal, Half Life 2, Day of Defeat:Source, and 
CouterStrike:Source.  I'm a huge gaming fan, and I have been using a PC 
as a 'gaming rig' for as long as I have been using computers.  If Valve 
steps out of the box, here, and starts taking advantage of the hardware 
available in the new Intel-based Macs, then we could see Mac becoming a 
pretty hefty contender in the enthusiast/gaming market.

The Mac Pros are already built like you'd expect a PC gaming computer to 
be built, and many of them came with an nVidia graphics card (even the 
ATI HD 2600 in the Mac Pro at work would be sufficient to run Team 
Fortress 2 or CounterStrike:Source).  How many of you Mac users have 
heard "I would use a Mac, but it's not good for gaming"?  Looks like 
that might not be a viable argument for much longer!

From Victoria at JourneyZing.com  Tue Mar  9 12:51:13 2010
From: Victoria at JourneyZing.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 12:51:13 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] iPhone app. developer in Des Moines?
Message-ID: <p06240800c7bc49126aff@[10.0.1.6]>

is there one???
-- 
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http://gallery.journeyzing.com/  [photography];  Blogs: 
http://blog.journeyzing.com [JZ];  http://www.herringlaw.com 
[lawfirm]; http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/ 
[personal]; Twitter: VictoriaJZ.

From bcarlso at gmail.com  Tue Mar  9 13:22:27 2010
From: bcarlso at gmail.com (Brandon Carlson)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 13:22:27 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] iPhone app. developer in Des Moines?
In-Reply-To: <p06240800c7bc49126aff@10.0.1.6>
References: <p06240800c7bc49126aff@10.0.1.6>
Message-ID: <19cb0cc71003091122x68d32574ofbe58519c022bf61@mail.gmail.com>

There are a few. E-mail me off list for names.

Thanks!
Brandon

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Victoria L. Herring
<Victoria at journeyzing.com> wrote:
> is there one???
> --
> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Gallery:
> http://gallery.journeyzing.com/ ?[photography]; ?Blogs:
> http://blog.journeyzing.com [JZ]; ?http://www.herringlaw.com
> [lawfirm]; http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/
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From newz at bearfruit.org  Tue Mar  9 13:35:36 2010
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 13:35:36 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] iPhone app. developer in Des Moines?
In-Reply-To: <p06240800c7bc49126aff@10.0.1.6>
References: <p06240800c7bc49126aff@10.0.1.6>
Message-ID: <f3c0b4081003091135k403c4afaj1ec276bd3f54f832@mail.gmail.com>

Bit method is based in des Moines (the gang behind impromptu studio) and do
work-for-hire projects. I do cross-platform app dev but not avail for hire.
I know of others like me doing it for fun or as an in-house dev.

On Mar 9, 2010 12:51 PM, "Victoria L. Herring" <Victoria at journeyzing.com>
wrote:

is there one???
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http://gallery.journeyzing.com/  [photography];  Blogs:
http://blog.journeyzing.com [JZ];  http://www.herringlaw.com
[lawfirm]; http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/
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From myztikjenz at gmail.com  Wed Mar 10 22:01:26 2010
From: myztikjenz at gmail.com (Jim Turner)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:01:26 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Movin' West, Fire Sale
Message-ID: <bf8839001003102001l5c2c2545m96e3138a01a52822@mail.gmail.com>

Took a job with some fruit company in California and I need to cut the
baggage before we move. And holy crap, do I have some stuff (all of it
awesome... well, except for the Intel webcam thingie):

http://nukethemfromorbit.com/sandbox/computer_stuff.html

Please contact off-list if you're interested in anything. Thanks.
I hate spamming the group with stuff like this so forgive my intrusion
this one last time.

Jim

From cmsspace at aol.com  Wed Mar 10 22:28:34 2010
From: cmsspace at aol.com (cmsspace)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:28:34 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Movin' West, Fire Sale
In-Reply-To: <bf8839001003102001l5c2c2545m96e3138a01a52822@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DC00427E.D1FE.4E9C.A870.B9F977E3A262@aol.com>

Since you've announced the sale of these items, you should pick a weekend day and open your house up to group members. ?You might get rid of a lot of stuff without having the hassle of setting up lot's of little time slots to show the stuff.

On Mar 10, 2010, at 10:01:26 PM, "Jim Turner" <myztikjenz at gmail.com> wrote:

http://nukethemfromorbit.com/sandbox/computer_stuff.html
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From myztikjenz at gmail.com  Wed Mar 10 22:55:58 2010
From: myztikjenz at gmail.com (Jim Turner)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:55:58 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Movin' West, Fire Sale
In-Reply-To: <DC00427E.D1FE.4E9C.A870.B9F977E3A262@aol.com>
References: <bf8839001003102001l5c2c2545m96e3138a01a52822@mail.gmail.com>
	<DC00427E.D1FE.4E9C.A870.B9F977E3A262@aol.com>
Message-ID: <bf8839001003102055x270fb549le4fe0b974ac41737@mail.gmail.com>

That's actually a pretty good idea. There's stuff I didn't list as
it's most likely not anything anyone would really want. But maybe once
you see it, you'll say "Hey, I'd like to give you $550 for that stack
of floppy disks"

How does Saturday afternoon at 3pm sound?

And if you're interested in, say... a 2200 sq ft split foyer house
with a jacuzzi tub (or an acoustic guitar, golf clubs, Disney
sketches, some bar mirrors, magazines...) that is available for
purchase as well ;)

7129 Twana Dr
Urbandale, IA 50322

Google the address, the pin is right on the money.

Note that the B&W G3, Airport Extreme, PC5300 RAM, QuickTake 100,
WWDC09 bag, and the 3Com Home Connect webcam have already been spoken
for.

Jim

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 10:28 PM, cmsspace <cmsspace at aol.com> wrote:
> Since you've announced the sale of these items, you should pick a weekend
> day and open your house up to group members. ?You might get rid of a lot of
> stuff without having the hassle of setting up lot's of little time slots to
> show the stuff.
> On Mar 10, 2010, at 10:01:26 PM, "Jim Turner" <myztikjenz at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> http://nukethemfromorbit.com/sandbox/computer_stuff.html
>
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Thu Mar 11 05:24:24 2010
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 05:24:24 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Movin' West, Fire Sale
In-Reply-To: <bf8839001003102001l5c2c2545m96e3138a01a52822@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bf8839001003102001l5c2c2545m96e3138a01a52822@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06240849c7be83410c98@[10.0.1.6]>

Good luck with the divestiture and the new job...big congrats.  Keep 
us in mind if you have any really nifty new things to share!
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Gallery: 
http://gallery.journeyzing.com/  [photography];  Blogs: 
http://blog.journeyzing.com [JZ];  http://www.herringlaw.com 
[lawfirm]; http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/ 
[personal]; Twitter: VictoriaJZ.

From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Thu Mar 11 05:34:45 2010
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 05:34:45 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Document Management
In-Reply-To: <F9AD43F4-28A5-495B-B492-81F79651AA17@mac.com>
References: <5965EB25-3F26-4ABC-9DCE-4453776AC32D@mac.com>
	<p06240804c7b9efeb8705@[10.0.1.6]>
	<F9AD43F4-28A5-495B-B492-81F79651AA17@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p0624084bc7be84da6c6c@[10.0.1.6]>

You could get DevonThink Personal.  I do think if it's only for you 
it might be overkill, but I think you can do a trial run.  I did and 
decided not to use it back awhile ago then got  DT and just haven't 
used it yet but plan to.

There are other ideas and if I can pull the info easily from the 
MacLaw list I'll try to share it here = it's a big topic there.  I 
think Yep and Leap come to mind.

I do tend to rely on the Finder and Spotlight and that seems to work 
but I'm sure it's not optimal.

You might check the following websites:  Lifehacker, 43 Folders, 
MakeUseOf, and others.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Gallery: 
http://gallery.journeyzing.com/  [photography];  Blogs: 
http://blog.journeyzing.com [JZ];  http://www.herringlaw.com 
[lawfirm]; http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/ 
[personal]; Twitter: VictoriaJZ.

From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Thu Mar 11 05:47:40 2010
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 05:47:40 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Document Management
In-Reply-To: <5965EB25-3F26-4ABC-9DCE-4453776AC32D@mac.com>
References: <5965EB25-3F26-4ABC-9DCE-4453776AC32D@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p0624084cc7be882a336b@[10.0.1.6]>

By the way there is an article coming in GPSolo [a magazine for 
lawyers] on document management.  Most of the ideas discussed on 
MacLaw are expensive [over $100] office solutions and they are good 
ones but more than you want.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Gallery: 
http://gallery.journeyzing.com/  [photography];  Blogs: 
http://blog.journeyzing.com [JZ];  http://www.herringlaw.com 
[lawfirm]; http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/ 
[personal]; Twitter: VictoriaJZ.

From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Thu Mar 11 15:58:14 2010
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:58:14 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: AUGD: Any Switch to Mac Users out there
Message-ID: <p06240866c7bf17dce0d3@[10.0.1.6]>

>
>Hello fellow MUG leaders,
>
>I wanted to pass this message along for you to pass on to your 
>membership. I know there are folks who have used the "switch to mac" 
>portion of Parallels. If so please contact her directly at the email 
>below.
>
>thanks
>
>I am looking for people that have used our "Switch to Mac" software 
>to transition from a PC to a Mac. I would like to do a case study on 
>their experiences to use on our website. Is there anyone in your 
>group that used that has used our "Parallels Switch to Mac" software 
>and would be willing to speak with me?
>
>
>Kate Lannan
>Public Relations Coordinator, Parallels
>
>Mob:  +1 (253) 670 9726
>Office: +1 (425) 282-6416
>Email: <mailto:klannan at parallels.com>klannan at parallels.com 
>Skype: klannan
>Web: <http://www.parallels.com/>www.parallels.com
>Connect with 
>Parallels: <http://blogs.parallels.com/consumertech/>Parallels 
>Consumer Tech 
>Blog,  <http://blogs.parallels.com/betweenthelines/>Between The 
>Lines Blog     
>
>

-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Gallery: 
http://gallery.journeyzing.com/  [photography];  Blogs: 
http://blog.journeyzing.com [JZ];  http://www.herringlaw.com 
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From cwsmith7 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 12 10:03:15 2010
From: cwsmith7 at gmail.com (CW Smith)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:03:15 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Movin' West, Fire Sale
In-Reply-To: <bf8839001003102055x270fb549le4fe0b974ac41737@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bf8839001003102001l5c2c2545m96e3138a01a52822@mail.gmail.com>
	<DC00427E.D1FE.4E9C.A870.B9F977E3A262@aol.com>
	<bf8839001003102055x270fb549le4fe0b974ac41737@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45B94AA4-9CCA-4A1B-AEEC-7877EC814F25@gmail.com>

Jim:

It looks like I've had a conflict come up for Saturday afternoon. I could come between appointments today, or get together with you either Sunday afternoon or Monday afternoon.

Could you cal me (I'll be away from email at least most of today) so we can set something up?

Peace,
CW

---------------------------------------------------------

CW Smith
Windows & Macintosh service and repair
Apple Certified Macintosh Technician

Phone: (515) 577-1716
cwsmith7 at gmail.com

"Guitar, bass, percussion, Macintosh"
www.cwsmith.fm

---------------------------------------------------------

On Mar 10, 2010, at 10:55 PM, Jim Turner wrote:

> That's actually a pretty good idea. There's stuff I didn't list as
> it's most likely not anything anyone would really want. But maybe once
> you see it, you'll say "Hey, I'd like to give you $550 for that stack
> of floppy disks"
> 
> How does Saturday afternoon at 3pm sound?
> 
> And if you're interested in, say... a 2200 sq ft split foyer house
> with a jacuzzi tub (or an acoustic guitar, golf clubs, Disney
> sketches, some bar mirrors, magazines...) that is available for
> purchase as well ;)
> 
> 7129 Twana Dr
> Urbandale, IA 50322
> 
> Google the address, the pin is right on the money.
> 
> Note that the B&W G3, Airport Extreme, PC5300 RAM, QuickTake 100,
> WWDC09 bag, and the 3Com Home Connect webcam have already been spoken
> for.
> 
> Jim
> 
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 10:28 PM, cmsspace <cmsspace at aol.com> wrote:
>> Since you've announced the sale of these items, you should pick a weekend
>> day and open your house up to group members.  You might get rid of a lot of
>> stuff without having the hassle of setting up lot's of little time slots to
>> show the stuff.
>> On Mar 10, 2010, at 10:01:26 PM, "Jim Turner" <myztikjenz at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> http://nukethemfromorbit.com/sandbox/computer_stuff.html
>> 
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From studias at msn.com  Fri Mar 12 11:09:47 2010
From: studias at msn.com (Geoffrey Stevens)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:09:47 -0700
Subject: [DM-MUG] been hacked?
Message-ID: <COL121-W18574403751739FD849A94A8310@phx.gbl>


Hey Group, 

My wife was looking for something on the internet and a black screen with a Turkish flag saying YOU'VE BEEN HACKED by playboy288nj (or something like that) some writing at the bottom with a fuck you! I didn't read the whole thing when my wife showed it to me - I deleted the page and deleted the page the history in Safari.

Does that mean the hacker got through my fire wall. Should I get anti spyware and virus protection software? 

What do you guys think?

Geoff
 		 	   		  
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From newz at bearfruit.org  Fri Mar 12 11:23:39 2010
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:23:39 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] been hacked?
In-Reply-To: <COL121-W18574403751739FD849A94A8310@phx.gbl>
References: <COL121-W18574403751739FD849A94A8310@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <f3c0b4081003120923k35b6a8e7y7d6952d9fdf0571b@mail.gmail.com>

It's possible, probable actually, the the one who got hacked was not
you but the website you had visited.

On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Geoffrey Stevens <studias at msn.com> wrote:
> Hey Group,
>
> My wife was looking for something on the internet and a black screen with a
> Turkish flag saying YOU'VE BEEN HACKED by playboy288nj (or something like
> that) some writing at the bottom with a fuck you! I didn't read the whole
> thing when my wife showed it to me - I deleted the page and deleted the page
> the history in Safari.
>
> Does that mean the hacker got through my fire wall. Should I get anti
> spyware and virus protection software?
>
> What do you guys think?
>
> Geoff
>
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From cwsmith7 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 12 11:24:11 2010
From: cwsmith7 at gmail.com (CW Smith)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:24:11 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] been hacked?
In-Reply-To: <COL121-W18574403751739FD849A94A8310@phx.gbl>
References: <COL121-W18574403751739FD849A94A8310@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <D4103120-379C-45DE-95B6-7FB725F589EB@gmail.com>

More likely the site itself was hacked, rather than your Mac.

---------------------------------------------
CW Smith
Windows & Macintosh repair
Apple Certified Mac Technician

(515) 577-1716
cwsmith7 at gmail.com

"Guitar, bass, percussion, Mac"
www.cwsmith.fm
---------------------------------------------

On Mar 12, 2010, at 11:09 AM, Geoffrey Stevens <studias at msn.com> wrote:

> Hey Group,
>
> My wife was looking for something on the internet and a black screen  
> with a Turkish flag saying YOU'VE BEEN HACKED by playboy288nj (or  
> something like that) some writing at the bottom with a fuck you! I  
> didn't read the whole thing when my wife showed it to me - I deleted  
> the page and deleted the page the history in Safari.
>
> Does that mean the hacker got through my fire wall. Should I get  
> anti spyware and virus protection software?
>
> What do you guys think?
>
> Geoff
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From studias at msn.com  Fri Mar 12 17:21:07 2010
From: studias at msn.com (Geoffrey Stevens)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:21:07 -0700
Subject: [DM-MUG] maybe I was not hacked?
Message-ID: <COL121-W34A3C826E088DC728C9D03A8310@phx.gbl>


Thanks for your responses.
"More likely the site itself was hacked, rather than your Mac"
"... the one who got hacked was not
you but the website you had visited"
could you explain more? Was I viewing a page of a site that was being hacked?
thanks and peace,
Geoff 		 	   		  
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From dcldcl at aol.com  Fri Mar 12 20:27:45 2010
From: dcldcl at aol.com (dcldcl at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 02:27:45 +0000
Subject: [DM-MUG] Dead macbook
In-Reply-To: <D4103120-379C-45DE-95B6-7FB725F589EB@gmail.com>
References: <COL121-W18574403751739FD849A94A8310@phx.gbl><D4103120-379C-45DE-95B6-7FB725F589EB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <581394228-1268446922-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-414286344-@bda850.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

CW:    not sure what happened, but my Macbook died... Little light on cord is on and little light on the front side on but only black screen.  Any quick suggestions?   Diane Larson
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: CW Smith <cwsmith7 at gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:24:11 
To: Des Moines Mac Users Group<dmmug at dmmug.org>
Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] been hacked?

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From newz at bearfruit.org  Fri Mar 12 20:54:53 2010
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:54:53 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] maybe I was not hacked?
In-Reply-To: <COL121-W34A3C826E088DC728C9D03A8310@phx.gbl>
References: <COL121-W34A3C826E088DC728C9D03A8310@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <f3c0b4081003121854h2c34718h6e2ec67d606b083f@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Geoffrey Stevens <studias at msn.com> wrote:
> Thanks for your responses.
> "More likely the site itself was hacked, rather than your Mac"
>
> "... the one who got hacked was not
> you but the website you had visited"
>
> could you explain more? Was I viewing a page of a site that was being
> hacked?
>

It's possible someone figured out how to take over all or part of the
server that a website you visited was hosted on. This happens
occasionally, especially on sites that are not well maintained.

These incidents fall into two categories - for commercial gain and for
acting cool and making a show of yourself.

If this were for commercial gain then they'd have kept it a secret
that the server was hacked and used it for sending spam or spreading
viruses and malware. Instead they defaced the website and wrote their
name on it. This indicates that it was someone trying to impress
others. The term for this type of person is a "script kiddie."

People who run websites and run servers can help avoid getting hacked
by making sure the software they run is kept up to date. For example,
if you run wordpress for your blog make sure to upgrade it when new
versions come out. Or if you're a server admin make sure you install
software updates. The best way to do this is to subscribe to the
announcement mailing list of the software packages you use. This way
you'll be notified by email when new updates are available.

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Sat Mar 13 09:02:30 2010
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 09:02:30 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Dead macbook
In-Reply-To: <581394228-1268446922-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-414286344-@
	bda850.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <COL121-W18574403751739FD849A94A8310@phx.gbl><D4103120-379C-45DE-95B6-7FB7
	25F589EB@gmail.com>
	<581394228-1268446922-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-414286344-@
	bda850.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <p06240802c7c158d687b3@[10.0.1.6]>

I certainly don't know but sometimes if you run the battery way way 
down [for instance, as happened to me, you are plugged into a socket 
in a hotel room but it's not really charging you and soon the battery 
is 'dead'] - I think there's something you can do = works for me 
usually when I let a computer get powered way down = plug the MB into 
a good socket, hold down the power button forever == really, 
forever...several minutes may be needed - 5? -- then un hold down and 
then do it again = it should start up and the screen will look foggy 
and there will be little hatchmarks going L to R across the bottom of 
the screen but it will power up.


-- 
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http://gallery.journeyzing.com/  [photography];  Blogs: 
http://blog.journeyzing.com [JZ];  http://www.herringlaw.com 
[lawfirm]; http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/ 
[personal]; Twitter: VictoriaJZ.

From bailey at me.com  Sat Mar 13 12:09:01 2010
From: bailey at me.com (Bailey Ford)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 12:09:01 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Dead macbook
In-Reply-To: <581394228-1268446922-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-414286344-@bda850.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <COL121-W18574403751739FD849A94A8310@phx.gbl>
	<D4103120-379C-45DE-95B6-7FB725F589EB@gmail.com>
	<581394228-1268446922-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-414286344-@bda850.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <E25B4830-FF4F-4432-B2CE-C54A194A1AD8@me.com>

"Have you tried turning it off and on again?" - The IT Crowd

Crashed? Is the backlight off? Holding down the power key forces a  
shut off.

On Mar 12, 2010, at 8:27 PM, dcldcl at aol.com wrote:

> CW:    not sure what happened, but my Macbook died... Little light  
> on cord is on and little light on the front side on but only black  
> screen.  Any quick suggestions?   Diane Larson
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CW Smith <cwsmith7 at gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:24:11
> To: Des Moines Mac Users Group<dmmug at dmmug.org>
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] been hacked?
>
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From dcldcl at aol.com  Sat Mar 13 12:17:23 2010
From: dcldcl at aol.com (dcldcl at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 13:17:23 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Dead macbook
In-Reply-To: <E25B4830-FF4F-4432-B2CE-C54A194A1AD8@me.com>
References: <COL121-W18574403751739FD849A94A8310@phx.gbl><D4103120-379C-45DE-95B6-7FB725F589EB@gmail.com><581394228-1268446922-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-414286344-@bda850.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<E25B4830-FF4F-4432-B2CE-C54A194A1AD8@me.com>
Message-ID: <8CC90F08FC5E3AC-11EC-D51D@webmail-d028.sysops.aol.com>


Thank you all for the suggestions. A bit later I went back and tried it thinking it would not work..... and it did. I spoke with CW and I think what happened was I put it into sleep mode and disconnected  it from my backup unit. Without turning both units off I may
have done a non-computer geek boo-boo even after CW had warned me to be careful never to do that. 
My Macbook is working great again in spite of my error and I still love it.
Thank you!!! 

Diane







-----Original Message-----
From: Bailey Ford <bailey at me.com>
To: dcldcl at aol.com <dcldcl at aol.com>; Des Moines Mac Users Group <dmmug at dmmug.org>
Sent: Sat, Mar 13, 2010 10:09 am
Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Dead macbook


"Have you tried turning it off and on again?" - The IT Crowd 
 
Crashed? Is the backlight off? Holding down the power key forces a shut off. 
 
On Mar 12, 2010, at 8:27 PM, dcldcl at aol.com wrote: 
 
> CW: not sure what happened, but my Macbook died... Little light > on cord is on and little light on the front side on but only black > screen. Any quick suggestions? Diane Larson 
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: CW Smith <cwsmith7 at gmail.com> 
> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:24:11 
> To: Des Moines Mac Users Group<dmmug at dmmug.org> 
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] been hacked? 
> 
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From myztikjenz at gmail.com  Sat Mar 13 15:20:33 2010
From: myztikjenz at gmail.com (Jim Turner)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:20:33 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Movin' West, Fire Sale
In-Reply-To: <bf8839001003102055x270fb549le4fe0b974ac41737@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bf8839001003102001l5c2c2545m96e3138a01a52822@mail.gmail.com>
	<DC00427E.D1FE.4E9C.A870.B9F977E3A262@aol.com>
	<bf8839001003102055x270fb549le4fe0b974ac41737@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bf8839001003131320x4fc3f2c2qa42030a3625cc145@mail.gmail.com>

Just a reminder that today (right now, actually) I'm at home swimming
in loads of fun Mac stuff that's dying to find a new home. If you're
running late, that's cool, just let me know when you plan on being
here so I don't close up before you arrive.

Jim

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 10:55 PM, Jim Turner <myztikjenz at gmail.com> wrote:
> That's actually a pretty good idea. There's stuff I didn't list as
> it's most likely not anything anyone would really want. But maybe once
> you see it, you'll say "Hey, I'd like to give you $550 for that stack
> of floppy disks"
>
> How does Saturday afternoon at 3pm sound?
>
> And if you're interested in, say... a 2200 sq ft split foyer house
> with a jacuzzi tub (or an acoustic guitar, golf clubs, Disney
> sketches, some bar mirrors, magazines...) that is available for
> purchase as well ;)
>
> 7129 Twana Dr
> Urbandale, IA 50322
>
> Google the address, the pin is right on the money.
>
> Note that the B&W G3, Airport Extreme, PC5300 RAM, QuickTake 100,
> WWDC09 bag, and the 3Com Home Connect webcam have already been spoken
> for.
>
> Jim
>
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 10:28 PM, cmsspace <cmsspace at aol.com> wrote:
>> Since you've announced the sale of these items, you should pick a weekend
>> day and open your house up to group members. ?You might get rid of a lot of
>> stuff without having the hassle of setting up lot's of little time slots to
>> show the stuff.
>> On Mar 10, 2010, at 10:01:26 PM, "Jim Turner" <myztikjenz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> http://nukethemfromorbit.com/sandbox/computer_stuff.html
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From myztikjenz at gmail.com  Sat Mar 13 18:01:30 2010
From: myztikjenz at gmail.com (Jim Turner)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 18:01:30 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Movin' West, Fire Sale
In-Reply-To: <DC00427E.D1FE.4E9C.A870.B9F977E3A262@aol.com>
References: <bf8839001003102001l5c2c2545m96e3138a01a52822@mail.gmail.com>
	<DC00427E.D1FE.4E9C.A870.B9F977E3A262@aol.com>
Message-ID: <bf8839001003131601t574b34f9l4f3d293e048eb9ed@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to all that showed. There's quite a bit left so if you're still
interested in something, please contact me off-list. Also note that
I'm going to throw away whatever's left on Thursday so please do not
wait to let me know you're interested in something.

Jim

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 10:28 PM, cmsspace <cmsspace at aol.com> wrote:
> Since you've announced the sale of these items, you should pick a weekend
> day and open your house up to group members. ?You might get rid of a lot of
> stuff without having the hassle of setting up lot's of little time slots to
> show the stuff.
> On Mar 10, 2010, at 10:01:26 PM, "Jim Turner" <myztikjenz at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> http://nukethemfromorbit.com/sandbox/computer_stuff.html
>
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From kisley at gmail.com  Sat Mar 13 19:49:26 2010
From: kisley at gmail.com (Keith Isley)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:49:26 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Movin' West, Fire Sale
In-Reply-To: <bf8839001003131601t574b34f9l4f3d293e048eb9ed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bf8839001003102001l5c2c2545m96e3138a01a52822@mail.gmail.com>
	<DC00427E.D1FE.4E9C.A870.B9F977E3A262@aol.com>
	<bf8839001003131601t574b34f9l4f3d293e048eb9ed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5b440b5c1003131749s74b3c0d0qecc5de7df293b92f@mail.gmail.com>

Jim -

I was out of town for most of the day. Any chance you could recap what is
left?

Thanks!

Keith Isley


On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Jim Turner <myztikjenz at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks to all that showed. There's quite a bit left so if you're still
> interested in something, please contact me off-list. Also note that
> I'm going to throw away whatever's left on Thursday so please do not
> wait to let me know you're interested in something.
>
> Jim
>
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 10:28 PM, cmsspace <cmsspace at aol.com> wrote:
> > Since you've announced the sale of these items, you should pick a weekend
> > day and open your house up to group members.  You might get rid of a lot
> of
> > stuff without having the hassle of setting up lot's of little time slots
> to
> > show the stuff.
> > On Mar 10, 2010, at 10:01:26 PM, "Jim Turner" <myztikjenz at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > http://nukethemfromorbit.com/sandbox/computer_stuff.html
> >
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From hfwelch at mac.com  Sun Mar 14 04:03:53 2010
From: hfwelch at mac.com (Holly Welch)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 04:03:53 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Need help copying dvd
Message-ID: <A55682B1-8830-4335-A9AA-74FAB5485481@mac.com>

This is a homemade dvd of a wedding, that was put on a yesvideo. They want their wedding photos in with the video. I copied it just fine with Handbrake and MPEG streamclip, but it left off the last chapter. I can play it in VLC, but can't copy it. I tried transcoding it, but I cannot save it in any file it can read. Even when I save it as mp4v, it will not save. 
Any great ideas???

Thanks,
Holly

From myztikjenz at gmail.com  Sun Mar 14 10:49:57 2010
From: myztikjenz at gmail.com (Jim Turner)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 09:49:57 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Movin' West, Fire Sale
In-Reply-To: <5b440b5c1003131749s74b3c0d0qecc5de7df293b92f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bf8839001003102001l5c2c2545m96e3138a01a52822@mail.gmail.com>
	<DC00427E.D1FE.4E9C.A870.B9F977E3A262@aol.com>
	<bf8839001003131601t574b34f9l4f3d293e048eb9ed@mail.gmail.com>
	<5b440b5c1003131749s74b3c0d0qecc5de7df293b92f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bf8839001003140849r4a985cear74444f9b83b5575e@mail.gmail.com>

Keith,

I've updated the list at
http://nukethemfromorbit.com/sandbox/computer_stuff.html with what's
left.

Jim

On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Keith Isley <kisley at gmail.com> wrote:
> Jim -
> I was out of town for most of the day. Any chance you could recap what is
> left?
> Thanks!
> Keith Isley
>
> On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Jim Turner <myztikjenz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks to all that showed. There's quite a bit left so if you're still
>> interested in something, please contact me off-list. Also note that
>> I'm going to throw away whatever's left on Thursday so please do not
>> wait to let me know you're interested in something.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 10:28 PM, cmsspace <cmsspace at aol.com> wrote:
>> > Since you've announced the sale of these items, you should pick a
>> > weekend
>> > day and open your house up to group members. ?You might get rid of a lot
>> > of
>> > stuff without having the hassle of setting up lot's of little time slots
>> > to
>> > show the stuff.
>> > On Mar 10, 2010, at 10:01:26 PM, "Jim Turner" <myztikjenz at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > http://nukethemfromorbit.com/sandbox/computer_stuff.html
>> >
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From kisley at gmail.com  Sun Mar 14 13:00:04 2010
From: kisley at gmail.com (Keith Isley)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 13:00:04 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Movin' West, Fire Sale
In-Reply-To: <bf8839001003140849r4a985cear74444f9b83b5575e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bf8839001003102001l5c2c2545m96e3138a01a52822@mail.gmail.com>
	<DC00427E.D1FE.4E9C.A870.B9F977E3A262@aol.com>
	<bf8839001003131601t574b34f9l4f3d293e048eb9ed@mail.gmail.com>
	<5b440b5c1003131749s74b3c0d0qecc5de7df293b92f@mail.gmail.com>
	<bf8839001003140849r4a985cear74444f9b83b5575e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5b440b5c1003141100u2f8a97d2w35743539a1702d9a@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks!

KAI

On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Jim Turner <myztikjenz at gmail.com> wrote:

> Keith,
>
> I've updated the list at
> http://nukethemfromorbit.com/sandbox/computer_stuff.html with what's
> left.
>
> Jim
>
> On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Keith Isley <kisley at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Jim -
> > I was out of town for most of the day. Any chance you could recap what is
> > left?
> > Thanks!
> > Keith Isley
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Jim Turner <myztikjenz at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks to all that showed. There's quite a bit left so if you're still
> >> interested in something, please contact me off-list. Also note that
> >> I'm going to throw away whatever's left on Thursday so please do not
> >> wait to let me know you're interested in something.
> >>
> >> Jim
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 10:28 PM, cmsspace <cmsspace at aol.com> wrote:
> >> > Since you've announced the sale of these items, you should pick a
> >> > weekend
> >> > day and open your house up to group members.  You might get rid of a
> lot
> >> > of
> >> > stuff without having the hassle of setting up lot's of little time
> slots
> >> > to
> >> > show the stuff.
> >> > On Mar 10, 2010, at 10:01:26 PM, "Jim Turner" <myztikjenz at gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > http://nukethemfromorbit.com/sandbox/computer_stuff.html
> >> >
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From alexander.rhoads at gmail.com  Tue Mar 16 11:17:20 2010
From: alexander.rhoads at gmail.com (Alexander Rhoads)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:17:20 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Document Management
In-Reply-To: <p0624084cc7be882a336b@10.0.1.6>
References: <5965EB25-3F26-4ABC-9DCE-4453776AC32D@mac.com>
	<p0624084cc7be882a336b@10.0.1.6>
Message-ID: <9527b5d01003160917p743c19d2l759319f51ae5b251@mail.gmail.com>

Aaron:

I use DevonThink Pro Office with a ScanSnap on my iMac and absolutely
love it.  The Pro Office version costs a fair amount, but it's
absolutely solid software, has a devoted, sophisticated user base
(mostly academics, writers, and researchers), so the discussion forums
are very helpful and well participated by users, but also, the
company.  They just finalized Version 2 after about a year of beta
releases and it's great.  FWIW, they released a new beta out to all
registered users about once a month during the updating period and
then the new V. 2 was available free to all current users.  So I was
really happy with this process and approach by the company.

As for data portability, DT does NOT change the format or capture your
information in a proprietary format.  If you import or index a PDF
into DT, the PDF remains a plain old PDF.  Same thing for Word, Excel,
Pages, etc... documents.  The only thing that's proprietary within DT
is its database of your data/documents/images.  So if DT as a company
were to go close down tomorrow, you would still have all of your
documents, data, and original files to use unaltered.

Again, it's an upfront cost, but the integration with ScanSnap,
auto-OCR, and the power of the program itself is absolutely incredible
for a desktop piece of software.  I'm not connected with the company
in any way, just a very satisfied user.

On 3/11/10, Victoria L. Herring <VLH at herringlaw.com> wrote:
> By the way there is an article coming in GPSolo [a magazine for
> lawyers] on document management.  Most of the ideas discussed on
> MacLaw are expensive [over $100] office solutions and they are good
> ones but more than you want.
> --
> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Gallery:
> http://gallery.journeyzing.com/  [photography];  Blogs:
> http://blog.journeyzing.com [JZ];  http://www.herringlaw.com
> [lawfirm]; http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/
> [personal]; Twitter: VictoriaJZ.
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Alexander Rhoads
alexander at rhoads.us

From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Tue Mar 16 12:25:07 2010
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:25:07 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Document Management
In-Reply-To: <9527b5d01003160917p743c19d2l759319f51ae5b251@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5965EB25-3F26-4ABC-9DCE-4453776AC32D@mac.com>
	<p0624084cc7be882a336b@10.0.1.6>
	<9527b5d01003160917p743c19d2l759319f51ae5b251@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p0624085fc7c56f39d78f@[10.0.1.6]>

That's great to hear = I was using DT [I forget whether Pro or 
Personal...better check!]  and then became frustrated with it and 
haven't but since I do have the license I may test it out again = esp 
if they've updated it 'free' = I do have a ScanSnap...v
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Gallery: 
http://gallery.journeyzing.com/  [photography];  Blogs: 
http://blog.journeyzing.com [JZ];  http://www.herringlaw.com 
[lawfirm]; http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/ 
[personal]; Twitter: VictoriaJZ.

From Victoria at JourneyZing.com  Tue Mar 16 15:49:54 2010
From: Victoria at JourneyZing.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 14:49:54 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Apple User Group info
Message-ID: <p06240874c7c59f6621f8@[10.0.1.6]>

MacGroup App for the iPhone, iPod Touch and iPad
Tech groups move with the times and many groups have blogs, podcasts 
and YouTube videos. Still, not many have their own iPhone app. 
MacGroup-Detroit president Terry White recently announced that his 
group has a new app on iTunes that provides 0n-the-go access to their 
blog, support forum, photo galleries and podcast-MacGroup TV.
Check it out.
http://tinyurl.com/macgroupapp
For more on how this app was created, see a related story here:
http://www.bestappsite.com/reviews/news/you-can-have-your-own-iphone-app-too/
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Gallery: 
http://gallery.journeyzing.com/  [photography];  Blogs: 
http://blog.journeyzing.com [JZ];  http://www.herringlaw.com 
[lawfirm]; http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/ 
[personal]; Twitter: VictoriaJZ.
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From Victoria at JourneyZing.com  Tue Mar 16 15:52:15 2010
From: Victoria at JourneyZing.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 14:52:15 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Augb Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2
Message-ID: <p06240875c7c59fdd3db2@[10.0.1.6]>

>X-
>    1. Apple User Group Bulletin - March 16, 2010 (AUG Bulletin)
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Message: 1
>Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 10:54:15 -0700
>From: AUG Bulletin <augbulletin at me.com>
>
>Recent Highlights from the Apple User Group Resources website:
>http://appleusergroupresources.com
>
>- Learn How to Build iPhone Apps in 2 Days
>- IMUG's MediaMotion Ball Returns During NAB 2010
>- Trenton?s 35th Annual Computer Festival
>- March Milestones 2010
>- Final Cut Pro Network hosts a Mini SuperMeet during SXSW 2010
>- AppleUsers Spotlight Available
>- MacGroup App for the iPhone, iPod touch and iPad
>
>- Offers for User Group Leaders and Members including:
>
>? Marware User Group Program: Project X opportunity
>? PDF2Office for iWork v1.0: 15% Discount
>? iTravel Alarm Clock: 50% Discount
>
>
>Visit the Bulletin's new web site today!
>http://appleusergroupresources.com/
>

-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Gallery: 
http://gallery.journeyzing.com/  [photography]; 
Blogs:  http://blog.journeyzing.com [JZ]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [lawfirm]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/ 
[personal]; Twitter: VictoriaJZ.

From Victoria at JourneyZing.com  Tue Mar 16 17:27:34 2010
From: Victoria at JourneyZing.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:27:34 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Next meeting, or not?
Message-ID: <p0624087cc7c5b6147297@[10.0.1.6]>

I am out of town and there is nothing really scheduled.  If someone 
wants to set up the meeting [hold it or present or whatever] please 
indicate that to this list = as a courtesy we should let Dan Shipton 
[who opens the studio for us] know whether or not we are coming. 
Thanks.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Gallery: 
http://gallery.journeyzing.com/  [photography];  Blogs: 
http://blog.journeyzing.com [JZ];  http://www.herringlaw.com 
[lawfirm]; http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/ 
[personal]; Twitter: VictoriaJZ.

From jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com  Fri Mar 19 18:08:35 2010
From: jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 18:08:35 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Next meeting, or not?
In-Reply-To: <p0624087cc7c5b6147297@10.0.1.6>
References: <p0624087cc7c5b6147297@10.0.1.6>
Message-ID: <865f37f31003191608q6b652463tcfd46fa11f085b56@mail.gmail.com>

Here's my thoughts on the second meeting to get cancelled...

The format of topic/speaker/presentation is dead. The writing has been
on the wall for a couple years now, and with two cancellations, I am
certain that more will be coming. DMMUG needs to change to survive.

I want to offer a new format:

I now have a live online radio show that broadcasts every Tuesday @8
PM on worldwidelocallive.com, from the Re/Max Studio in the
Kaleidoscope Mall downtown, which is a few blocks from Impromptu
Studio. The url for the blog and archives is
http://www.talkingmac.com.

Anyone that would like to meet and talk about Macintosh, iP(x)
devices, and technology is welcome to congregate in the lobby of the
studio. My show will be playing through the radio, but you are welcome
to talk about whatever you wish between eight and nine.

Every week.

There's no requirement to sign up or show up, other than the fact that
the door is open*, the invitation given, and I will be there doing my
show. I may pull individuals into the studio from time to time, but
only if you wish to be on the show.

This is an opportunity for fans of Apple products to get together for
the sake of getting together. If you choose to come once a month,
great! If you choose to come more, Great! If you would like, DMMUG may
be able to purchase (non-alcoholic) beverages and sponsor the
networking event coinciding with the fourth Tuesday of the month. Of
course, that is up to you, the members, but I raise it as an option.

The invitation has been given. If the DMMUG collective doesn't want to
transition to this format, or would rather do so at a different
location, that's fine. My invitation still stands independently to
everyone. Bring a beverage, and plan on meeting friends of old and new
alike.

*You'll actually need to get into the skywalk through the partnership
building (across from the Register on Locust,) as the doors to the
Kaleidoscope are locked at this time.

From newz at bearfruit.org  Fri Mar 19 21:27:21 2010
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 21:27:21 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] what is this keyboard shortcut?
Message-ID: <f3c0b4081003191927y50fd6626o99ffdd322e144507@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, I've seen this a few times and I just have no clue what I'm supposed to
do when I want to use keyboard shortcuts like this. There is no keyboard
that has the first character on its key. Can someone help me understand how
to do it?

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
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From jrgeerdes at gmail.com  Fri Mar 19 21:29:18 2010
From: jrgeerdes at gmail.com (Jeremy Geerdes)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 21:29:18 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] what is this keyboard shortcut?
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4081003191927y50fd6626o99ffdd322e144507@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f3c0b4081003191927y50fd6626o99ffdd322e144507@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <14F00AD3-C2C9-4325-96C2-10B5F1DDE3E2@gmail.com>

The first character represents the Alt key. The shortcut, then, is Alt+Command+T.

Jeremy R. Geerdes
Effective website design & development
Des Moines, IA

For more information or a project quote:
http://jgeerdes.home.mchsi.com
jrgeerdes at gmail.com

If you're in the Des Moines, IA, area, check out Debra Heights Wesleyan Church!

On Mar 19, 2010, at 9:27 PM, Matthew Nuzum wrote:

> Hi, I've seen this a few times and I just have no clue what I'm supposed to do when I want to use keyboard shortcuts like this. There is no keyboard that has the first character on its key. Can someone help me understand how to do it?
> 
> -- 
> Matthew Nuzum
> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
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From kristau at gmail.com  Fri Mar 19 21:41:26 2010
From: kristau at gmail.com (kristau)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 21:41:26 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] what is this keyboard shortcut?
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4081003191927y50fd6626o99ffdd322e144507@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f3c0b4081003191927y50fd6626o99ffdd322e144507@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3effba681003191941j46e4fd18qe24f104d2ac82b26@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:
> Hi, I've seen this a few times and I just have no clue what I'm supposed to
> do when I want to use keyboard shortcuts like this. There is no keyboard
> that has the first character on its key. Can someone help me understand how
> to do it?
>
> --
> Matthew Nuzum
> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter

Yup, it denotes the ALT key. Even though I know what it is, it still
confuses me every time I see it. Apple really should add that symbol
to the ALT key on their keyboards.

-- 
Tired programmer
Coding late into the night
The core dump follows

From newz at bearfruit.org  Fri Mar 19 21:44:50 2010
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 21:44:50 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] what is this keyboard shortcut?
In-Reply-To: <3effba681003191941j46e4fd18qe24f104d2ac82b26@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f3c0b4081003191927y50fd6626o99ffdd322e144507@mail.gmail.com>
	<3effba681003191941j46e4fd18qe24f104d2ac82b26@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f3c0b4081003191944h68160b51me820be9ca7ea43b3@mail.gmail.com>

Is there a way to type this symbol w/ the keyboard so that I can show it to
others w/out taking a picture?

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 9:41 PM, kristau <kristau at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:
> > Hi, I've seen this a few times and I just have no clue what I'm supposed
> to
> > do when I want to use keyboard shortcuts like this. There is no keyboard
> > that has the first character on its key. Can someone help me understand
> how
> > to do it?
> >
> > --
> > Matthew Nuzum
> > newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
>
> Yup, it denotes the ALT key. Even though I know what it is, it still
> confuses me every time I see it. Apple really should add that symbol
> to the ALT key on their keyboards.
>
> --
> Tired programmer
> Coding late into the night
> The core dump follows
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> DMMUG at dmmug.org
> Use this page to modify subscription options:
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-- 
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From kristau at gmail.com  Fri Mar 19 21:47:57 2010
From: kristau at gmail.com (kristau)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 21:47:57 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] what is this keyboard shortcut?
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4081003191944h68160b51me820be9ca7ea43b3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f3c0b4081003191927y50fd6626o99ffdd322e144507@mail.gmail.com>
	<3effba681003191941j46e4fd18qe24f104d2ac82b26@mail.gmail.com>
	<f3c0b4081003191944h68160b51me820be9ca7ea43b3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3effba681003191947k6cde7246s67e8b146e7bb7084@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 9:44 PM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:
> Is there a way to type this symbol w/ the keyboard so that I can show it to
> others w/out taking a picture?

There is probably a font which contains that symbol, but I doubt it is
a standard enough one that it would show up for all users.

-- 
Tired programmer
Coding late into the night
The core dump follows

From jrgeerdes at gmail.com  Fri Mar 19 22:12:43 2010
From: jrgeerdes at gmail.com (Jeremy Geerdes)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 22:12:43 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] what is this keyboard shortcut?
In-Reply-To: <3effba681003191947k6cde7246s67e8b146e7bb7084@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f3c0b4081003191927y50fd6626o99ffdd322e144507@mail.gmail.com>
	<3effba681003191941j46e4fd18qe24f104d2ac82b26@mail.gmail.com>
	<f3c0b4081003191944h68160b51me820be9ca7ea43b3@mail.gmail.com>
	<3effba681003191947k6cde7246s67e8b146e7bb7084@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <258F0D1F-D20B-47DF-AFF6-E1C2E5FFAD20@gmail.com>

According to Wikipedia, the character is Unicode 2325. That is a hex code, and you won't find it on your keyboard (at least, I couldn't). But there is a way to use it if you're willing to jump through a couple of hoops.

Assuming you're using 10.6...

Open System Preferences -> Text & Languages and go to the Input Sources Tab. Check "Keyboard & Character Viewer." A new menu should appear to the left of your clock.
Pull down this new menu and select "Show Character Viewer." A window will appear.
In this new window, there is a View pull-down. Open this and select "Code Tables."
Click to the Unicode tab if it is not already selected.
In the upper portion of the window, scroll down to 00002300 "Miscellaneous Technical" and select it.
In the lower portion of the window, scroll down to the 2320 line.
The alt character is in column 5.
Click Insert

Or you could just copy it from right here: ?

Jeremy R. Geerdes
Effective website design & development
Des Moines, IA

For more information or a project quote:
http://jgeerdes.home.mchsi.com
jrgeerdes at gmail.com

If you're in the Des Moines, IA, area, check out Debra Heights Wesleyan Church!

On Mar 19, 2010, at 9:47 PM, kristau wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 9:44 PM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:
>> Is there a way to type this symbol w/ the keyboard so that I can show it to
>> others w/out taking a picture?
> 
> There is probably a font which contains that symbol, but I doubt it is
> a standard enough one that it would show up for all users.
> 
> -- 
> Tired programmer
> Coding late into the night
> The core dump follows
> _______________________________________________
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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Fri Mar 19 23:21:08 2010
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:21:08 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Next meeting, or not?
In-Reply-To: <865f37f31003191608q6b652463tcfd46fa11f085b56@mail.gmail.com>
References: <p0624087cc7c5b6147297@10.0.1.6>
	<865f37f31003191608q6b652463tcfd46fa11f085b56@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <92B7C599-B71F-4858-A4C9-50AABD8E8F98@mchsi.com>

Jon,

Thanks for bringing this up. Unless there are planned programs in  
advance most of us are not interested in a meeting.   I have been  
wondering about what we could do and this is the only suggestion so  
far. Do others have alternative ideas? If others would say they will  
be there I would certainly give it a try.

Ray
On Mar 19, 2010, at Mar 19, 20106:08 PM, Jon Thompson wrote:

> Here's my thoughts on the second meeting to get cancelled...
>
> The format of topic/speaker/presentation is dead. The writing has been
> on the wall for a couple years now, and with two cancellations, I am
> certain that more will be coming. DMMUG needs to change to survive.
>
> I want to offer a new format:
>
> I now have a live online radio show that broadcasts every Tuesday @8
> PM on worldwidelocallive.com, from the Re/Max Studio in the
> Kaleidoscope Mall downtown, which is a few blocks from Impromptu
> Studio. The url for the blog and archives is
> http://www.talkingmac.com.
>
> Anyone that would like to meet and talk about Macintosh, iP(x)
> devices, and technology is welcome to congregate in the lobby of the
> studio. My show will be playing through the radio, but you are welcome
> to talk about whatever you wish between eight and nine.
>
> Every week.
>
> There's no requirement to sign up or show up, other than the fact that
> the door is open*, the invitation given, and I will be there doing my
> show. I may pull individuals into the studio from time to time, but
> only if you wish to be on the show.
>
> This is an opportunity for fans of Apple products to get together for
> the sake of getting together. If you choose to come once a month,
> great! If you choose to come more, Great! If you would like, DMMUG may
> be able to purchase (non-alcoholic) beverages and sponsor the
> networking event coinciding with the fourth Tuesday of the month. Of
> course, that is up to you, the members, but I raise it as an option.
>
> The invitation has been given. If the DMMUG collective doesn't want to
> transition to this format, or would rather do so at a different
> location, that's fine. My invitation still stands independently to
> everyone. Bring a beverage, and plan on meeting friends of old and new
> alike.
>
> *You'll actually need to get into the skywalk through the partnership
> building (across from the Register on Locust,) as the doors to the
> Kaleidoscope are locked at this time.
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> DMMUG at dmmug.org
> Use this page to modify subscription options:
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug

Ray Bowler
rbowler at mchsi.com




From studias at msn.com  Sat Mar 20 03:14:51 2010
From: studias at msn.com (Geoffrey Stevens)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 01:14:51 -0700
Subject: [DM-MUG] what is this keyboard shortcut?
In-Reply-To: <3effba681003191941j46e4fd18qe24f104d2ac82b26@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f3c0b4081003191927y50fd6626o99ffdd322e144507@mail.gmail.com>,
	<3effba681003191941j46e4fd18qe24f104d2ac82b26@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL121-W8C6D15D91499B27BECFAAA8290@phx.gbl>


Is this a key symbol from the PC world?
?Geoff Stevens

> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 21:41:26 -0500
> From: kristau at gmail.com
> To: dmmug at dmmug.org
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] what is this keyboard shortcut?
> 
> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:
> > Hi, I've seen this a few times and I just have no clue what I'm supposed to
> > do when I want to use keyboard shortcuts like this. There is no keyboard
> > that has the first character on its key. Can someone help me understand how
> > to do it?
> >
> > --
> > Matthew Nuzum
> > newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
> 
> Yup, it denotes the ALT key. Even though I know what it is, it still
> confuses me every time I see it. Apple really should add that symbol
> to the ALT key on their keyboards.
> 
> -- 
> Tired programmer
> Coding late into the night
> The core dump follows
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> DMMUG at dmmug.org
> Use this page to modify subscription options:
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
 		 	   		  
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From jrgeerdes at gmail.com  Sat Mar 20 07:13:39 2010
From: jrgeerdes at gmail.com (Jeremy Geerdes)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 07:13:39 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] what is this keyboard shortcut?
In-Reply-To: <COL121-W8C6D15D91499B27BECFAAA8290@phx.gbl>
References: <f3c0b4081003191927y50fd6626o99ffdd322e144507@mail.gmail.com>,
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	<COL121-W8C6D15D91499B27BECFAAA8290@phx.gbl>
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According to Wikipedia, the symbol originated with the Apple LIsa. I have never seen it used in any other OS, but that is not necessarily conclusive.

Jeremy R. Geerdes
Effective website design & development
Des Moines, IA

For more information or a project quote:
http://jgeerdes.home.mchsi.com
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If you're in the Des Moines, IA, area, check out Debra Heights Wesleyan Church!

On Mar 20, 2010, at 3:14 AM, Geoffrey Stevens wrote:

> Is this a key symbol from the PC world?
> ?Geoff Stevens
> 
> > Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 21:41:26 -0500
> > From: kristau at gmail.com
> > To: dmmug at dmmug.org
> > Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] what is this keyboard shortcut?
> > 
> > On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:
> > > Hi, I've seen this a few times and I just have no clue what I'm supposed to
> > > do when I want to use keyboard shortcuts like this. There is no keyboard
> > > that has the first character on its key. Can someone help me understand how
> > > to do it?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Matthew Nuzum
> > > newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
> > 
> > Yup, it denotes the ALT key. Even though I know what it is, it still
> > confuses me every time I see it. Apple really should add that symbol
> > to the ALT key on their keyboards.
> > 
> > -- 
> > Tired programmer
> > Coding late into the night
> > The core dump follows
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From bailey at me.com  Sat Mar 20 08:39:21 2010
From: bailey at me.com (Bailey Ford)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 08:39:21 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] what is this keyboard shortcut?
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4081003191927y50fd6626o99ffdd322e144507@mail.gmail.com>
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Hey

The key your looking for is the option key. If you are using a windows  
keyboard with your mac, it is labled "alt".

On Mar 19, 2010, at 9:27 PM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:

> Hi, I've seen this a few times and I just have no clue what I'm  
> supposed to do when I want to use keyboard shortcuts like this.  
> There is no keyboard that has the first character on its key. Can  
> someone help me understand how to do it?
>
> -- 
> Matthew Nuzum
> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
> <IMAG0167.jpg>
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From bcarlso at gmail.com  Sat Mar 20 17:11:48 2010
From: bcarlso at gmail.com (Brandon Carlson)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 17:11:48 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Next meeting, or not?
In-Reply-To: <92B7C599-B71F-4858-A4C9-50AABD8E8F98@mchsi.com>
References: <p0624087cc7c5b6147297@10.0.1.6>
	<865f37f31003191608q6b652463tcfd46fa11f085b56@mail.gmail.com>
	<92B7C599-B71F-4858-A4C9-50AABD8E8F98@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <19cb0cc71003201511r1eadf24ah190164da422f2d9f@mail.gmail.com>

I am a co-founder of a local user group. (Agile Iowa - A Software
Development group, http://agileiowa.org)

One of the things that we do and I personally like is meet at a
restaurant/bar and have informal conversations about various Agile
development topics. It's nice to just get together around a couple of
beers and talk about what is interesting to us in the Agile world.
Sometimes the topic is about some things in the blogosphere that are
generating buzz, other times it's about challenges practitioners face
at work. Very informal. I've never attended a DMMUG meeting because I
have often felt that the topics are more focused on general computing.
What we find at the Agile meetings is that if 12 people show up, there
could be 3 different topics going on during the meeting and people
tend to re-arrange themselves around the topic that most interests
them that evening.

My 2 cents.

Thanks!
Brandon

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 11:21 PM, Ray Bowler <rbowler at mchsi.com> wrote:
> Jon,
>
> Thanks for bringing this up. Unless there are planned programs in
> advance most of us are not interested in a meeting. ? I have been
> wondering about what we could do and this is the only suggestion so
> far. Do others have alternative ideas? If others would say they will
> be there I would certainly give it a try.
>
> Ray
> On Mar 19, 2010, at Mar 19, 20106:08 PM, Jon Thompson wrote:
>
>> Here's my thoughts on the second meeting to get cancelled...
>>
>> The format of topic/speaker/presentation is dead. The writing has been
>> on the wall for a couple years now, and with two cancellations, I am
>> certain that more will be coming. DMMUG needs to change to survive.
>>
>> I want to offer a new format:
>>
>> I now have a live online radio show that broadcasts every Tuesday @8
>> PM on worldwidelocallive.com, from the Re/Max Studio in the
>> Kaleidoscope Mall downtown, which is a few blocks from Impromptu
>> Studio. The url for the blog and archives is
>> http://www.talkingmac.com.
>>
>> Anyone that would like to meet and talk about Macintosh, iP(x)
>> devices, and technology is welcome to congregate in the lobby of the
>> studio. My show will be playing through the radio, but you are welcome
>> to talk about whatever you wish between eight and nine.
>>
>> Every week.
>>
>> There's no requirement to sign up or show up, other than the fact that
>> the door is open*, the invitation given, and I will be there doing my
>> show. I may pull individuals into the studio from time to time, but
>> only if you wish to be on the show.
>>
>> This is an opportunity for fans of Apple products to get together for
>> the sake of getting together. If you choose to come once a month,
>> great! If you choose to come more, Great! If you would like, DMMUG may
>> be able to purchase (non-alcoholic) beverages and sponsor the
>> networking event coinciding with the fourth Tuesday of the month. Of
>> course, that is up to you, the members, but I raise it as an option.
>>
>> The invitation has been given. If the DMMUG collective doesn't want to
>> transition to this format, or would rather do so at a different
>> location, that's fine. My invitation still stands independently to
>> everyone. Bring a beverage, and plan on meeting friends of old and new
>> alike.
>>
>> *You'll actually need to get into the skywalk through the partnership
>> building (across from the Register on Locust,) as the doors to the
>> Kaleidoscope are locked at this time.
>> _______________________________________________
>> DMMUG mailing list
>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>> DMMUG at dmmug.org
>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>
> Ray Bowler
> rbowler at mchsi.com
>
>
>
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From jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com  Sat Mar 20 21:12:40 2010
From: jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 21:12:40 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Next meeting, or not?
In-Reply-To: <19cb0cc71003201511r1eadf24ah190164da422f2d9f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <p0624087cc7c5b6147297@10.0.1.6>
	<865f37f31003191608q6b652463tcfd46fa11f085b56@mail.gmail.com>
	<92B7C599-B71F-4858-A4C9-50AABD8E8F98@mchsi.com>
	<19cb0cc71003201511r1eadf24ah190164da422f2d9f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <865f37f31003201912h2a4f6fcdy26299064b2d17302@mail.gmail.com>

That's exactly what I am aiming for, although I don't know if J
Michael McKoy would allow alcolhol.

Anyhow, I have been very active as of late in the Des Moines startup
community. The most popular meeting/networking events are where there
are free drinks, and no set scedule, other than when to be there.

On Saturday, March 20, 2010, Brandon Carlson <bcarlso at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am a co-founder of a local user group. (Agile Iowa - A Software
> Development group, http://agileiowa.org)
>
> One of the things that we do and I personally like is meet at a
> restaurant/bar and have informal conversations about various Agile
> development topics. It's nice to just get together around a couple of
> beers and talk about what is interesting to us in the Agile world.
> Sometimes the topic is about some things in the blogosphere that are
> generating buzz, other times it's about challenges practitioners face
> at work. Very informal. I've never attended a DMMUG meeting because I
> have often felt that the topics are more focused on general computing.
> What we find at the Agile meetings is that if 12 people show up, there
> could be 3 different topics going on during the meeting and people
> tend to re-arrange themselves around the topic that most interests
> them that evening.
>
> My 2 cents.
>
> Thanks!
> Brandon
>
> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 11:21 PM, Ray Bowler <rbowler at mchsi.com> wrote:
>> Jon,
>>
>> Thanks for bringing this up. Unless there are planned programs in
>> advance most of us are not interested in a meeting. ? I have been
>> wondering about what we could do and this is the only suggestion so
>> far. Do others have alternative ideas? If others would say they will
>> be there I would certainly give it a try.
>>
>> Ray
>> On Mar 19, 2010, at Mar 19, 20106:08 PM, Jon Thompson wrote:
>>
>>> Here's my thoughts on the second meeting to get cancelled...
>>>
>>> The format of topic/speaker/presentation is dead. The writing has been
>>> on the wall for a couple years now, and with two cancellations, I am
>>> certain that more will be coming. DMMUG needs to change to survive.
>>>
>>> I want to offer a new format:
>>>
>>> I now have a live online radio show that broadcasts every Tuesday @8
>>> PM on worldwidelocallive.com, from the Re/Max Studio in the
>>> Kaleidoscope Mall downtown, which is a few blocks from Impromptu
>>> Studio. The url for the blog and archives is
>>> http://www.talkingmac.com.
>>>
>>> Anyone that would like to meet and talk about Macintosh, iP(x)
>>> devices, and technology is welcome to congregate in the lobby of the
>>> studio. My show will be playing through the radio, but you are welcome
>>> to talk about whatever you wish between eight and nine.
>>>
>>> Every week.
>>>
>>> There's no requirement to sign up or show up, other than the fact that
>>> the door is open*, the invitation given, and I will be there doing my
>>> show. I may pull individuals into the studio from time to time, but
>>> only if you wish to be on the show.
>>>
>>> This is an opportunity for fans of Apple products to get together for
>>> the sake of getting together. If you choose to come once a month,
>>> great! If you choose to come more, Great! If you would like, DMMUG may
>>> be able to purchase (non-alcoholic) beverages and sponsor the
>>> networking event coinciding with the fourth Tuesday of the month. Of
>>> course, that is up to you, the members, but I raise it as an option.
>>>
>>> The invitation has been given. If the DMMUG collective doesn't want to
>>> transition to this format, or would rather do so at a different
>>> location, that's fine. My invitation still stands independently to
>>> everyone. Bring a beverage, and plan on meeting friends of old and new
>>> alike.
>>>
>>> *You'll actually need to get into the skywalk through the partnership
>>> building (across from the Register on Locust,) as the doors to the
>>> Kaleidoscope are locked at this time.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> DMMUG mailing list
>>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>>> DMMUG at dmmug.org
>>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>>
>> Ray Bowler
>> rbowler at mchsi.com
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> DMMUG mailing list
>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>> DMMUG at dmmug.org
>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
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>>
> _______________________________________________
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>

-- 
-- 
Jon Thompson
Evolve
www.dmevolve.com
Macintosh IT Management for Small and Large Business

From inflatablesoulmate at brothersofchaos.com  Sat Mar 20 21:36:45 2010
From: inflatablesoulmate at brothersofchaos.com (Matt Stanton)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 21:36:45 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Next meeting, or not?
In-Reply-To: <865f37f31003201912h2a4f6fcdy26299064b2d17302@mail.gmail.com>
References: <p0624087cc7c5b6147297@10.0.1.6>	<865f37f31003191608q6b652463tcfd46fa11f085b56@mail.gmail.com>	<92B7C599-B71F-4858-A4C9-50AABD8E8F98@mchsi.com>	<19cb0cc71003201511r1eadf24ah190164da422f2d9f@mail.gmail.com>
	<865f37f31003201912h2a4f6fcdy26299064b2d17302@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4BA5863D.7010507@brothersofchaos.com>

Personally, I think social events are more fun when it's just a social 
event.  Most of the meetings in the past have focused on some limited 
number of points of interest, and if you have no need to learn about 
those points, then there isn't much reason to show up.  All a social 
group needs is a single point of interest... something everyone has in 
common.  Everyone will have something different that they are interested 
in learning from the group, and if the group is big enough, then there 
will likely be someone there to teach them what they want to know.  
Those who have no problems to solve will just strike up conversation 
with whoever else in unoccupied, and will be free to help anyone who is 
asking a question that falls into their expertise.

The linux users group generally has some sort of topic planned in 
advance, but everyone knows that if no one is interested, the group will 
break down into a giant social discussion that tends to follow what the 
group is interested in.  After the 'formal meeting' we generally walk 
down to a nearby restaurant/pub for food and drink and a much more 
social sort of setting.  It's fun to show up just to talk to people who 
are doing much the same thing you are doing, whether it be systems 
administration, just tinkering with linux, or trying to find an 
alternative to a commercial OS.

I think if the MUG followed the same course and did a better job of 
convincing their work buddies, families, and friends who use Macs to 
show up, then it would gain steam.  It's kinda funny how there aren't 
many Windows Users Groups around... Windows users are sort of common...  
But Mac and Linux users tend to be the odd men out, and likely have more 
talking points than windows users do.  I use all three OSes between my 
home PC running windows, my netbook and server both running Ubuntu 
linux, and my work computer being a Mac Pro.  The only real thing I 
would be interested in asking questions about on the Mac is how to get a 
VPN server set up on it without using OS X server.  But being in a 
casual environment to bounce around between conversations might give me 
a chance to learn little tidbits that I wouldn't even know that I might 
be interested in.

Since there isn't really a real social environment at any part of the 
meeting, most of you aren't really very approachable.  Being the 'new 
guy' and only having been in Des Moines for a relatively short period of 
time, I haven't been around long enough to decipher who on the list is 
who in the meetings (other than Ms. Herring).

-- Matt

On 3/20/2010 9:12 PM, Jon Thompson wrote:
> That's exactly what I am aiming for, although I don't know if J
> Michael McKoy would allow alcolhol.
>
> Anyhow, I have been very active as of late in the Des Moines startup
> community. The most popular meeting/networking events are where there
> are free drinks, and no set scedule, other than when to be there.
>
> On Saturday, March 20, 2010, Brandon Carlson<bcarlso at gmail.com>  wrote:
>    
>> I am a co-founder of a local user group. (Agile Iowa - A Software
>> Development group, http://agileiowa.org)
>>
>> One of the things that we do and I personally like is meet at a
>> restaurant/bar and have informal conversations about various Agile
>> development topics. It's nice to just get together around a couple of
>> beers and talk about what is interesting to us in the Agile world.
>> Sometimes the topic is about some things in the blogosphere that are
>> generating buzz, other times it's about challenges practitioners face
>> at work. Very informal. I've never attended a DMMUG meeting because I
>> have often felt that the topics are more focused on general computing.
>> What we find at the Agile meetings is that if 12 people show up, there
>> could be 3 different topics going on during the meeting and people
>> tend to re-arrange themselves around the topic that most interests
>> them that evening.
>>
>> My 2 cents.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Brandon
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 11:21 PM, Ray Bowler<rbowler at mchsi.com>  wrote:
>>      
>>> Jon,
>>>
>>> Thanks for bringing this up. Unless there are planned programs in
>>> advance most of us are not interested in a meeting.   I have been
>>> wondering about what we could do and this is the only suggestion so
>>> far. Do others have alternative ideas? If others would say they will
>>> be there I would certainly give it a try.
>>>
>>> Ray
>>> On Mar 19, 2010, at Mar 19, 20106:08 PM, Jon Thompson wrote:
>>>
>>>        
>>>> Here's my thoughts on the second meeting to get cancelled...
>>>>
>>>> The format of topic/speaker/presentation is dead. The writing has been
>>>> on the wall for a couple years now, and with two cancellations, I am
>>>> certain that more will be coming. DMMUG needs to change to survive.
>>>>
>>>> I want to offer a new format:
>>>>
>>>> I now have a live online radio show that broadcasts every Tuesday @8
>>>> PM on worldwidelocallive.com, from the Re/Max Studio in the
>>>> Kaleidoscope Mall downtown, which is a few blocks from Impromptu
>>>> Studio. The url for the blog and archives is
>>>> http://www.talkingmac.com.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone that would like to meet and talk about Macintosh, iP(x)
>>>> devices, and technology is welcome to congregate in the lobby of the
>>>> studio. My show will be playing through the radio, but you are welcome
>>>> to talk about whatever you wish between eight and nine.
>>>>
>>>> Every week.
>>>>
>>>> There's no requirement to sign up or show up, other than the fact that
>>>> the door is open*, the invitation given, and I will be there doing my
>>>> show. I may pull individuals into the studio from time to time, but
>>>> only if you wish to be on the show.
>>>>
>>>> This is an opportunity for fans of Apple products to get together for
>>>> the sake of getting together. If you choose to come once a month,
>>>> great! If you choose to come more, Great! If you would like, DMMUG may
>>>> be able to purchase (non-alcoholic) beverages and sponsor the
>>>> networking event coinciding with the fourth Tuesday of the month. Of
>>>> course, that is up to you, the members, but I raise it as an option.
>>>>
>>>> The invitation has been given. If the DMMUG collective doesn't want to
>>>> transition to this format, or would rather do so at a different
>>>> location, that's fine. My invitation still stands independently to
>>>> everyone. Bring a beverage, and plan on meeting friends of old and new
>>>> alike.
>>>>
>>>> *You'll actually need to get into the skywalk through the partnership
>>>> building (across from the Register on Locust,) as the doors to the
>>>> Kaleidoscope are locked at this time.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> DMMUG mailing list
>>>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>>>> DMMUG at dmmug.org
>>>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>>>>          
>>> Ray Bowler
>>> rbowler at mchsi.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> DMMUG mailing list
>>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>>> DMMUG at dmmug.org
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>>>        
>> _______________________________________________
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>>      
>    


From alexander.rhoads at gmail.com  Wed Mar 24 10:30:22 2010
From: alexander.rhoads at gmail.com (Alexander Rhoads)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:30:22 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Mac Accountants/CPA's in Des Moines and Point of Sale
	software?
Message-ID: <9527b5d01003240830m760ee921xf8739cd977386c17@mail.gmail.com>

1.  I am looking for an accountant/CPA in Des Moines who is familiar
with AccountEdge software.
http://accountedge.com/

2.  Anyone aware of central Iowa (I'd even settle for Iowa) user of
Lightspeed point of sale software in a retail setting?
Anyone know of such a creature?
http://www.xsilva.com/

Alternatively, anyone familiar with an Mac point of sale system that
they would recommend?

Cheers.

-- 
Alexander Rhoads
alexander at rhoads.us

