From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Fri Oct  2 07:27:22 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 07:27:22 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] MUG Center - sorry I forgot to post
Message-ID: <p06240800c6eba14b5c7b@[10.0.1.192]>

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02  iPhone App Reviews
03  NFL 1.0 for iPhone and iPod Touch
04  Mathemagics for iPhone
05  Get the Most out of Adium
06  Alternative to...
07  Geocoding for iPhoto
08  Palm Pre: The Missing Manual
09  Watermarking in Aperture
10  Rename files in bulk
11  Quotes: Emerson, Johnson, Frisch

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01  Facebook Finds Profitability
02  Keynote in 1.5 minutes
03  Mobile Design and Development
04  icodeblog
05  Jade Plugin for Adobe Photoshop
06  New Walt Disney World Secrets Gold!
07  Mailsmith
08  Free Freehand
09  Volitans Software Announces SMART Utility 2.1
10  friedEgg Touch 1.4 adds Spotlight plus Snow Leopard support
11  Photography effects for iPhone
12  iPhone Apps for Freelancers
13  How to turn off iTunes 8's store arrows
14  iStudio Publisher
15  Scribbles: Draw outside the lines!
16  Pilot those fonts
17  Dutch Skies 360 DVD
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Fri Oct  2 11:19:13 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 11:19:13 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Q ref little dots on monitor
Message-ID: <p0624081dc6ebd7ed2a39@[10.0.1.192]>

Anyone heard of this = I noticed it appeared with people's faces and 
then that it shows on the desktop too  - had an image on it and the 
little tiny dots would outline facial features = I switched to plain 
old Apple blue desktop and now it's like the milky Way is going 
across the monitor = friend thought it might be monitor powre supply. 
It just started fairly recently [i.e., today] but I do recall seeing 
it before awhile ago = then it went away.

It happened lst with Safari and I thought it might be that, then saw 
them on the Desktop image and so its the monitor, the video card, 
maybe the power supply.  Applecare is gone for this, I think.
-- 
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http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From newz at bearfruit.org  Fri Oct  2 12:08:15 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 12:08:15 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Q ref little dots on monitor
In-Reply-To: <p0624081dc6ebd7ed2a39@10.0.1.192>
References: <p0624081dc6ebd7ed2a39@10.0.1.192>
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080910021008p3b6301c3l12f82ab3365a72bb@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Victoria L. Herring <VLH at herringlaw.com> wrote:
> Anyone heard of this = I noticed it appeared with people's faces and
> then that it shows on the desktop too ?- had an image on it and the
> little tiny dots would outline facial features = I switched to plain
> old Apple blue desktop and now it's like the milky Way is going
> across the monitor = friend thought it might be monitor powre supply.
> It just started fairly recently [i.e., today] but I do recall seeing
> it before awhile ago = then it went away.
>
> It happened lst with Safari and I thought it might be that, then saw
> them on the Desktop image and so its the monitor, the video card,
> maybe the power supply. ?Applecare is gone for this, I think.

Do they look like stuck pixels? Sometimes the individual dots of
colour that make up a screen get stuck on or off or sometimes even one
of the primary colours. It most commonly happens when the monitor is
brand new off the manufacturing floor or as it's nearing the end of
it's life.

I've heard of various tricks that can reset them. I did a google
search for stuck pixel lcd and this was the first link:

http://www.wikihow.com/Fix-a-Stuck-Pixel-on-an-LCD-Monitor

The only other thing I've heard of is dust or liquid getting in
between the layers of the LCD (there are layers of filters in front of
the actual LCD electronic display). I have a monitor like this
currently. It doesn't change (i.e. it's not sometimes there and
sometimes gone, it's always there). It looks more like a smudge than
dots of colour so I doubt this is your problem.

-- 
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From Chris at kagallery.net  Fri Oct  2 12:25:05 2009
From: Chris at kagallery.net (Chris Kavanaugh)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 12:25:05 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Q ref little dots on monitor
In-Reply-To: <p0624081dc6ebd7ed2a39@[10.0.1.192]>
References: <p0624081dc6ebd7ed2a39@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <3E3D311D-EB6C-496F-A6F9-5B72AB922CC7@kagallery.net>

Did you recently install something with face recognition? Doesnt the  
new Picasa do that? Surround the faces with dots? Good luck, C


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On Oct 2, 2009, at 11:19 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> Anyone heard of this = I noticed it appeared with people's faces and
> then that it shows on the desktop too  - had an image on it and the
> little tiny dots would outline facial features = I switched to plain
> old Apple blue desktop and now it's like the milky Way is going
> across the monitor = friend thought it might be monitor powre supply.
> It just started fairly recently [i.e., today] but I do recall seeing
> it before awhile ago = then it went away.
>
> It happened lst with Safari and I thought it might be that, then saw
> them on the Desktop image and so its the monitor, the video card,
> maybe the power supply.  Applecare is gone for this, I think.
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs:
> http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography];
> http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination];
> http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].
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From thorgrim at imaginarytower.org  Fri Oct  2 13:18:57 2009
From: thorgrim at imaginarytower.org (David McLaughlin)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 13:18:57 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] QTVR in Snow Leopard
Message-ID: <0CC8246F-5B7B-49CF-9DF8-EB49F3B1C065@imaginarytower.org>

Just noticed that Apple Released an update for "QuickTime Player 7 for  
Mac OS X v10.6" that now supports QTVR format.

http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/application_updates/quicktimeplayer7formacosxv106.html

Dave McLaughlin

From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Fri Oct  2 13:45:34 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 13:45:34 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Q ref little dots on monitor
In-Reply-To: <3E3D311D-EB6C-496F-A6F9-5B72AB922CC7@kagallery.net>
References: <p0624081dc6ebd7ed2a39@[10.0.1.192]>
	<3E3D311D-EB6C-496F-A6F9-5B72AB922CC7@kagallery.net>
Message-ID: <p06240801c6ebfa93ac6d@[10.0.1.192]>

>Did you recently install something with face recognition?

No, but thanks for the thought.

Thanks Matthew == I'll check the link - I just did a restart and they 
are gone now.  Not sure why a restart would 'cure' it but I'll keep 
an eye on it and maybe I can figure it out.  Thanks for the thoughts.
-- 
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http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From alan.maupin at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 16:29:14 2009
From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (alan.maupin at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 14:29:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [DM-MUG] CNET News.com: Resellers report shortages on several Mac
	models - CNET News
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From studias at msn.com  Sun Oct  4 21:03:15 2009
From: studias at msn.com (Geoffrey Stevens)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 19:03:15 -0700
Subject: [DM-MUG] Apple's new toy?
Message-ID: <COL121-W32B7717AC3F6923F6902FEA8CF0@phx.gbl>


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From bsmith at totacc.com  Sun Oct  4 22:02:57 2009
From: bsmith at totacc.com (Bill Smith)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 21:02:57 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] 35mm slide to digital converter
Message-ID: <736d4de0aecdcb0d00bc55d6d2b9f8b0@totacc.com>

For some time I have been looking for a slide and negative to digital 
picture converter, but until now I had not seen one compatible with the 
Mac. Just recently I have seen a unit made by VuPoint Solutions that is 
said to be Mac compatible with OSX 10.4. Has anyone had any experience 
with slide/negative to digital converters, and particularly with this 
particular unit? I have seen it in a couple of catalogs and on Amazon, 
with the price ranging from $99.00 to $129.00.

I have an iMac I bought at CompUSA in West Des Moines in 2004, which 
came loaded with OSX 10.3.9, so I would have to upgrade my OS. Is there 
a way to jump just far enough ahead without going to the latest and 
most sophisticated Mac OS?

I also want to install Office:mac2008 (Home & Student Edition) and that 
too requires at minimum Mac OSC 10.4. I know Microsoft is anathema to 
most of you, but my having used Word for Mac in a PC environment before 
there was Office 98 for Mac, I am pretty well wedded to Microsoft 
Office.

I have been a Mac user since 1984, but I am not a Mac aficionado. I use 
Office almost exclusively for word processing. And it might be useful 
to be able to see Power Point files that are sent to me from time to 
time. So far I have much of it stashed in a file labeled Stuff I Can't 
Open on the outside chance that I might really be interested in some of 
it.

I will welcome any advice DMMUG members might have.

Cordially, Bill Smith




From inflatablesoulmate at brothersofchaos.com  Mon Oct  5 00:54:56 2009
From: inflatablesoulmate at brothersofchaos.com (Matt Stanton)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 00:54:56 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] 35mm slide to digital converter
In-Reply-To: <736d4de0aecdcb0d00bc55d6d2b9f8b0@totacc.com>
References: <736d4de0aecdcb0d00bc55d6d2b9f8b0@totacc.com>
Message-ID: <4AC98A30.20306@brothersofchaos.com>


> So far I have much of it stashed in a file labeled Stuff I Can't 
> Open on the outside chance that I might really be interested in some of 
> it.


We get a lot of microsoft office-related files where I work (screen 
printing business).  Since we have pretty much no use for MS Office, and 
we also run mostly Macs, I have been using OpenOffice.org to open files 
that are of the Word or Powerpoint nature.  In our case, we have to make 
sure with the customer that the fonts match up if the person sending the 
file is particular about that sort of thing, but if you just need to be 
able to read what's in the file, then OO works great.

Sorry, but I don't have any experience with any negative- or 
slide-to-digital equipments, though.

From cwsmith7 at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 06:45:11 2009
From: cwsmith7 at gmail.com (CW Smith)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 06:45:11 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] 35mm slide to digital converter
In-Reply-To: <4AC98A30.20306@brothersofchaos.com>
References: <736d4de0aecdcb0d00bc55d6d2b9f8b0@totacc.com>
	<4AC98A30.20306@brothersofchaos.com>
Message-ID: <798C7915-97A8-4F5F-B73E-193006066829@gmail.com>

Dont forget that Apple's iWork ($79) also opens word documents (in  
Pages), Excel spreadsheets (in Numbers) and PowerPoint presentations  
(in Keynote). Using the File > Save As ... dialog, you can save out to  
those formats too when a Windows drone needs to open it on the other  
end.

As for fonts, that's going to be true whatever program you're using,  
or whatever operating system you're using. If you don't have the  
specialized font that the author used to create the document, then the  
closest available font may be substituted, or a system default will be  
used. If they're sticklers on fonts, they need to tell you what  
they're using, and if possible send it along. In other words, that's  
their job, not necessarily yours.

Peace,
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On Oct 5, 2009, at 12:54 AM, Matt Stanton wrote:

>
>> So far I have much of it stashed in a file labeled Stuff I Can't
>> Open on the outside chance that I might really be interested in  
>> some of
>> it.
>
>
> We get a lot of microsoft office-related files where I work (screen
> printing business).  Since we have pretty much no use for MS Office,  
> and
> we also run mostly Macs, I have been using OpenOffice.org to open  
> files
> that are of the Word or Powerpoint nature.  In our case, we have to  
> make
> sure with the customer that the fonts match up if the person sending  
> the
> file is particular about that sort of thing, but if you just need to  
> be
> able to read what's in the file, then OO works great.
>
> Sorry, but I don't have any experience with any negative- or
> slide-to-digital equipments, though.
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Mon Oct  5 07:13:35 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 07:13:35 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] 35mm slide to digital converter
In-Reply-To: <736d4de0aecdcb0d00bc55d6d2b9f8b0@totacc.com>
References: <736d4de0aecdcb0d00bc55d6d2b9f8b0@totacc.com>
Message-ID: <p06240814c6ef913ebe02@[10.0.1.192]>

I echo the info on iWork [use it all the time, including to open MS 
items] but when it doesn't work [esp. with some of the newer docx 
items] OpenOffice does a great job, and is free.

as for transferring negatives and slides, are you trying to transfer 
mostly one or the other [I have very few slides, for instance]? 
There may be other or better answers for what you want.  You might 
research it in some photographer mags and sites.  I ended up just 
scanning the photographs into my computer via my ScanSnap and 
skipping the negatives conversion.
-- 
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http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From newz at bearfruit.org  Mon Oct  5 09:27:01 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 09:27:01 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] 35mm slide to digital converter
In-Reply-To: <736d4de0aecdcb0d00bc55d6d2b9f8b0@totacc.com>
References: <736d4de0aecdcb0d00bc55d6d2b9f8b0@totacc.com>
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080910050727v6b6ee646ub16b545b939f9793@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Bill Smith <bsmith at totacc.com> wrote:
> For some time I have been looking for a slide and negative to digital
> picture converter, but until now I had not seen one compatible with the
> Mac. Just recently I have seen a unit made by VuPoint Solutions that is
> said to be Mac compatible with OSX 10.4. Has anyone had any experience
> with slide/negative to digital converters, and particularly with this
> particular unit? I have seen it in a couple of catalogs and on Amazon,
> with the price ranging from $99.00 to $129.00.

I used to scan lots of slides in. If you have low volume you used to
be able to get an adapter that sat on your flat bed scanner. It looked
like a pyramid and had a mirror on one half of the inside. The slide
sat on the other half. The mirror would reflect the light down through
the slide so that the sensor could scan it in. It worked great but was
not extremely high resolution. Fine for web stuff though.

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?lc=nl&dlc=nl&cc=be&docname=bps03306

For higher volume work you can get a dedicated slide and film scanner.
The one we had was by Microtek. It had carriers, one would hold a
strip of 35mm negative, another held four slides. You dropped it into
the scanner and it would scan them in at very high resolution. It was
SCSI based and came with Mac and Windows software.

In the years when the digital world was taking off but digital cameras
hadn't hit mainstream yet there were numerous brands of flatbed
scanners that could scan normal paper and included a slide and
negative drawer or adapter. Epson and Canon made numerous consumer
models.

Here's such a model on Amazon for under $100 that has a favourable
review from macworld:
http://www.amazon.com/Epson-Perfection-Photo-Color-Scanner/dp/B001GBKTGM/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1254752410&sr=1-9

-- 
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From john at createmydvd.com  Mon Oct  5 12:53:53 2009
From: john at createmydvd.com (John Robertson)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 13:53:53 -0400
Subject: [DM-MUG] 35mm slide to digital converter
In-Reply-To: <736d4de0aecdcb0d00bc55d6d2b9f8b0@totacc.com>
References: <736d4de0aecdcb0d00bc55d6d2b9f8b0@totacc.com>
Message-ID: <8ED73ED6-E1AC-4D5E-A5ED-249F9D88085C@createmydvd.com>

> For some time I have been looking for a slide and negative to digital
> picture converter, but until now I had not seen one compatible with  
> the
> Mac. Just recently I have seen a unit made by VuPoint Solutions  
> that is
> said to be Mac compatible with OSX 10.4. Has anyone had any experience
> with slide/negative to digital converters, and particularly with this
> particular unit? I have seen it in a couple of catalogs and on Amazon,
> with the price ranging from $99.00 to $129.00.
>

   A flat scanner with slide capabilities will work okay but I have  
found the focus to sometimes be an issue. The max resolution from a  
slide is about 4000 dpi but a 2000 dpi scanner will be fine for up to  
a 9x6 print. If your buying a slide scanner, get one with digital  
ICE. This a great feature when scanning slides, it uses hardware  
together with software to remove dust from your image.
   I have been using a Nikon Coolscan 5000 slide and negative scanner  
on a Mac for a few years now. It's an expensive option but it does a  
great job. PS. Don't try to clean your slides before scanning them,  
they can be scratched very easily.

If your interested, I have a home business that does this type of  
service. Feel free to contact me for any slide related questions.

John



From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 12 17:12:18 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:12:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [DM-MUG] Repair boot drive.
In-Reply-To: <1890606585.155281254518954551.JavaMail.app@c18-ssa-www-app0.cnet.com>
Message-ID: <912234.79773.qm@web110311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

My HDD seems to need repaired. I'm pretty sure this is due to my font management library, Suitcase fusion conflicting for whatever reason with Adobe suite.

To my understanding if I follow the directions found here.
http://macs.suite101.com/article.cfm/when_macs_crash

it won't erase the current or existing applications and files? Am I mistaken? I've only done complete installs and upgrades with Macs. On Windows I know there's a repair option and performed such on countless occasions. 

I know I should back up files before performing maintenance. However, my present budget doesn't allow me to make any unexpected purchases right now and the backup would be to large to manually break down to be backed up on discs as I don't have enough to do so. And the system needing repairs is 10.4.11 which means it does not have the Time Machine.capabilities.

Thanks in advance for your help!
-A.




      
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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Mon Oct 12 17:37:14 2009
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:37:14 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Repair boot drive.
In-Reply-To: <912234.79773.qm@web110311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <912234.79773.qm@web110311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6AF0D98F-126E-4D2C-8D11-5872A2FE0A71@mchsi.com>

Hi,

Something which you might want to try first would be to go to your  
utilities folder ( to the Dock) select and run Disk Utilities. Select  
your HD and then do "Repair permissions". This will take a while but  
may cure your problem. I am not sure that repairing the HD will help  
your problem but it might. The directions in the article should work  
but the initial screen may be different. But the basics are right and  
it shouldn't  do any harm.


On Oct 12, 2009, at Oct 12, 20095:12 PM, AB wrote:

> My HDD seems to need repaired. I'm pretty sure this is due to my  
> font management library, Suitcase fusion conflicting for whatever  
> reason with Adobe suite.
>
> To my understanding if I follow the directions found here.
> http://macs.suite101.com/article.cfm/when_macs_crash
>
> it won't erase the current or existing applications and files? Am I  
> mistaken? I've only done complete installs and upgrades with Macs.  
> On Windows I know there's a repair option and performed such on  
> countless occasions.
>
> I know I should back up files before performing maintenance.  
> However, my present budget doesn't allow me to make any unexpected  
> purchases right now and the backup would be to large to manually  
> break down to be backed up on discs as I don't have enough to do so.  
> And the system needing repairs is 10.4.11 which means it does not  
> have the Time Machine.capabilities.
>
> Thanks in advance for your help!
> -A.
>
>
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From chris at kagallery.net  Mon Oct 12 18:59:22 2009
From: chris at kagallery.net (Chris R Kavanaugh)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:59:22 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Repair boot drive.
In-Reply-To: <6AF0D98F-126E-4D2C-8D11-5872A2FE0A71@mchsi.com>
References: <912234.79773.qm@web110311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<6AF0D98F-126E-4D2C-8D11-5872A2FE0A71@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <0E98E5CE-C6D9-43C2-ABB2-A7CBA3424452@kagallery.net>

Mac OS install disks have most of the utilities you would need.  
Restart your mac with the disk in the drive and hold down options, you  
can choose the system install disk. Once it starts dont select   
install but you can go to the disk utility. If you dont have the  
install disk. Try applejack http://applejack.sourceforge.net/
It is an expanded version of the fsck utility of the unix core. It is  
a little more technical. Hope it helps. Regards C

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On Oct 12, 2009, at 5:37 PM, Ray Bowler wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Something which you might want to try first would be to go to your
> utilities folder ( to the Dock) select and run Disk Utilities. Select
> your HD and then do "Repair permissions". This will take a while but
> may cure your problem. I am not sure that repairing the HD will help
> your problem but it might. The directions in the article should work
> but the initial screen may be different. But the basics are right and
> it shouldn't  do any harm.
>
>
> On Oct 12, 2009, at Oct 12, 20095:12 PM, AB wrote:
>
>> My HDD seems to need repaired. I'm pretty sure this is due to my
>> font management library, Suitcase fusion conflicting for whatever
>> reason with Adobe suite.
>>
>> To my understanding if I follow the directions found here.
>> http://macs.suite101.com/article.cfm/when_macs_crash
>>
>> it won't erase the current or existing applications and files? Am I
>> mistaken? I've only done complete installs and upgrades with Macs.
>> On Windows I know there's a repair option and performed such on
>> countless occasions.
>>
>> I know I should back up files before performing maintenance.
>> However, my present budget doesn't allow me to make any unexpected
>> purchases right now and the backup would be to large to manually
>> break down to be backed up on discs as I don't have enough to do so.
>> And the system needing repairs is 10.4.11 which means it does not
>> have the Time Machine.capabilities.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for your help!
>> -A.
>>
>>
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>
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From kristau at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 19:00:23 2009
From: kristau at gmail.com (kristau)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:00:23 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Repair boot drive.
In-Reply-To: <6AF0D98F-126E-4D2C-8D11-5872A2FE0A71@mchsi.com>
References: <912234.79773.qm@web110311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<6AF0D98F-126E-4D2C-8D11-5872A2FE0A71@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <3effba680910121700k7c685d35iaf7dc33e2122b8fd@mail.gmail.com>

Another good hard drive repair utility is applejack
(http://applejack.sourceforge.net/). Once installed, "All you need to
do is restart in Single User Mode (SUM), by holding down the command
and s keys at startup, and then typing applejack, or applejack auto
(which will run through all the tasks automatically), or applejack
auto restart (which will also restart the computer automatically at
the end of the process)."

This single utility repairs disks and permissions, cleans up cache
files, validates preference files and removes swap files. I recommend
using the restart option, then walking away. Check on your Mac every
now and then. When you see the familiar login screen, you know it is
done.

If applejack doesn't resolve your issues, then it is likely not a disk
or permissions problem.

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Ray Bowler <rbowler at mchsi.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Something which you might want to try first would be to go to your
> utilities folder ( to the Dock) select and run Disk Utilities. Select
> your HD and then do "Repair permissions". This will take a while but
> may cure your problem. I am not sure that repairing the HD will help
> your problem but it might. The directions in the article should work
> but the initial screen may be different. But the basics are right and
> it shouldn't ?do any harm.
>
>
> On Oct 12, 2009, at Oct 12, 20095:12 PM, AB wrote:
>
>> My HDD seems to need repaired. I'm pretty sure this is due to my
>> font management library, Suitcase fusion conflicting for whatever
>> reason with Adobe suite.
>>
>> To my understanding if I follow the directions found here.
>> http://macs.suite101.com/article.cfm/when_macs_crash
>>
>> it won't erase the current or existing applications and files? Am I
>> mistaken? I've only done complete installs and upgrades with Macs.
>> On Windows I know there's a repair option and performed such on
>> countless occasions.
>>
>> I know I should back up files before performing maintenance.
>> However, my present budget doesn't allow me to make any unexpected
>> purchases right now and the backup would be to large to manually
>> break down to be backed up on discs as I don't have enough to do so.
>> And the system needing repairs is 10.4.11 which means it does not
>> have the Time Machine.capabilities.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for your help!
>> -A.
>>
>>
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>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
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>
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>
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>
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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Mon Oct 12 20:05:02 2009
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:05:02 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] trouble with Mail.app
Message-ID: <99A2F14A-559D-4919-941C-A9E3BC74AFE9@mchsi.com>

I am having some trouble with my Mail.app. When I try to sent an email  
to Senator Grassley it tell me that the server mail.mchsi.com is not  
availalble. A message to my wife went through fine. I you see this  
then the question is why is this happening.

Ray Bowler

rbowler.home.mchsi.com




From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 12 20:11:25 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:11:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [DM-MUG] trouble with Mail.app
In-Reply-To: <99A2F14A-559D-4919-941C-A9E3BC74AFE9@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <532839.72832.qm@web110304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I just use the feedback form on Senator Grassley's website. http://grassley.senate.gov/contact.cfm

You're using chuck_grassley at grassley.senate.gov email?

Try relaunching the Mail app?

-A.

--- On Mon, 10/12/09, Ray Bowler <rbowler at mchsi.com> wrote:

From: Ray Bowler <rbowler at mchsi.com>
Subject: [DM-MUG] trouble with Mail.app
To: "DMMug Dmmug" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 8:05 PM

I am having some trouble with my Mail.app. When I try to sent an email? 
to Senator Grassley it tell me that the server mail.mchsi.com is not? 
availalble. A message to my wife went through fine. I you see this? 
then the question is why is this happening.

Ray Bowler

rbowler.home.mchsi.com



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From thorgrim at imaginarytower.org  Mon Oct 12 20:17:54 2009
From: thorgrim at imaginarytower.org (David McLaughlin)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:17:54 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Repair boot drive.
In-Reply-To: <3effba680910121700k7c685d35iaf7dc33e2122b8fd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <912234.79773.qm@web110311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<6AF0D98F-126E-4D2C-8D11-5872A2FE0A71@mchsi.com>
	<3effba680910121700k7c685d35iaf7dc33e2122b8fd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <05CAC9CC-A88D-49E2-A653-7E2FA926A878@imaginarytower.org>

> If applejack doesn't resolve your issues, then it is likely not a disk
> or permissions problem.

Just don't run Applejack on Mac OS X 10.6.

Applejack is not ready for 10.6 yet.

David McLaughlin


From kristau at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 20:23:23 2009
From: kristau at gmail.com (kristau)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:23:23 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Repair boot drive.
In-Reply-To: <05CAC9CC-A88D-49E2-A653-7E2FA926A878@imaginarytower.org>
References: <912234.79773.qm@web110311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<6AF0D98F-126E-4D2C-8D11-5872A2FE0A71@mchsi.com>
	<3effba680910121700k7c685d35iaf7dc33e2122b8fd@mail.gmail.com>
	<05CAC9CC-A88D-49E2-A653-7E2FA926A878@imaginarytower.org>
Message-ID: <3effba680910121823k261b8e3cwd7fe39e5b7544050@mail.gmail.com>

Good to know!

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 8:17 PM, David McLaughlin
<thorgrim at imaginarytower.org> wrote:
>> If applejack doesn't resolve your issues, then it is likely not a disk
>> or permissions problem.
>
> Just don't run Applejack on Mac OS X 10.6.
>
> Applejack is not ready for 10.6 yet.
>
> David McLaughlin
>
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From donald.patridge at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 22:18:02 2009
From: donald.patridge at gmail.com (Donald Patridge)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:18:02 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] trouble with Mail.app
In-Reply-To: <99A2F14A-559D-4919-941C-A9E3BC74AFE9@mchsi.com>
References: <99A2F14A-559D-4919-941C-A9E3BC74AFE9@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <aaf257510910122018p58824e70pf28576f1f0a6bba4@mail.gmail.com>

Try checking with Mediacom directly. We seem to have problems with emails
not going or coming in due to problems with Mediacom. We have had a number
of friends dump Mediacom because of the problems.

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Ray Bowler <rbowler at mchsi.com> wrote:

> I am having some trouble with my Mail.app. When I try to sent an email
> to Senator Grassley it tell me that the server mail.mchsi.com is not
> availalble. A message to my wife went through fine. I you see this
> then the question is why is this happening.
>
> Ray Bowler
>
> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>
>
>
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From jon at mac-consultant.com  Mon Oct 12 22:51:38 2009
From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:51:38 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Repair boot drive.
In-Reply-To: <912234.79773.qm@web110311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <912234.79773.qm@web110311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AD6DFA14-72E7-4FF9-891B-32E92EDE7E4D@mac-consultant.com>

First, Suitcase conflicting with Adobe cannot directly cause  
corruption of your hard drive. Both Suitcase and Adobe work on the  
file level, which means that they can corrupt a file, but they rely on  
the underlying operating system for finding the file and providing it  
to them. If there is corruption of the hard disk, it is that  
underlying level or hardware-based.

Next, checking the disk, rather than repairing, will not modify it,  
therefore is a safe way to tell you if it is corrupt. If it is  
corrupt, it is relatively safe to run Apple's repair utility in repair  
mode. If so, keep running it until either you end up with no errors,  
or you end up in a loop where repairing one error causes the other and  
vice versa.

If the latter is true, get a copy of Alsoft Diskwarrior. It is much  
better at fixing disk corruption than anything else out there.

Applejack (mentioned elsewhere in this thread) automates all of the  
Apple provided repairs, but is useless if you don't already have it  
installed.

Finally, what you might have is a corrupt system. There are several  
levels that could be the culprit here, anywhere from a corrupt user  
(most likely a preference file) to the actual system is corrupt.  
Depending on where it is, an archive and install may or may not solve  
your issue.

My guess is that you've disabled the wrong font, which the system  
needs to run. I haven't used Suitcase in a long while, but recall that  
they give rather strong warnings before you disable system fonts. Did  
you do so? If so, you may have put your system in a state where you  
either need to call someone to put the files back or do an Archive and  
Install. The reason I say call someone is because I am not certain of  
the particulars of which fonts are missing and where Suitcase moves  
them to disable them. Otherwise, I could tell you what commands to  
enter in Single User Mode.


On Oct 12, 2009, at 5:12 PM, AB wrote:

> My HDD seems to need repaired. I'm pretty sure this is due to my  
> font management library, Suitcase fusion conflicting for whatever  
> reason with Adobe suite.
>
> To my understanding if I follow the directions found here.
> http://macs.suite101.com/article.cfm/when_macs_crash
>
> it won't erase the current or existing applications and files? Am I  
> mistaken? I've only done complete installs and upgrades with Macs.  
> On Windows I know there's a repair option and performed such on  
> countless occasions.
>
> I know I should back up files before performing maintenance.  
> However, my present budget doesn't allow me to make any unexpected  
> purchases right now and the backup would be to large to manually  
> break down to be backed up on discs as I don't have enough to do so.  
> And the system needing repairs is 10.4.11 which means it does not  
> have the Time Machine.capabilities.
>
> Thanks in advance for your help!
> -A.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Tue Oct 13 00:03:57 2009
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:03:57 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] trouble with Mail.app
In-Reply-To: <532839.72832.qm@web110304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <532839.72832.qm@web110304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <180F360B-C02D-4634-A5CA-FB4956DF948A@mchsi.com>

I just learned about the website.

I did relaunch Mail.app and it didn't help. What is weird to me is  
that it is happening on my computer not on mediacom or elsewhere.


On Oct 12, 2009, at Oct 12, 20098:11 PM, AB wrote:

> I just use the feedback form on Senator Grassley's website. http://grassley.senate.gov/contact.cfm
>
> You're using chuck_grassley at grassley.senate.gov email?
>
> Try relaunching the Mail app?
>
> -A.
>
> --- On Mon, 10/12/09, Ray Bowler <rbowler at mchsi.com> wrote:
>
> From: Ray Bowler <rbowler at mchsi.com>
> Subject: [DM-MUG] trouble with Mail.app
> To: "DMMug Dmmug" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 8:05 PM
>
> I am having some trouble with my Mail.app. When I try to sent an email
> to Senator Grassley it tell me that the server mail.mchsi.com is not
> availalble. A message to my wife went through fine. I you see this
> then the question is why is this happening.
>
> Ray Bowler
>
> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>
>
>
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Tue Oct 13 09:52:28 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:52:28 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Circus Ponies Notebook?  Other program topics.
Message-ID: <p06240814c6fa445a4e97@[10.0.1.192]>

Is anyone interested in a demonstration or discussion of this 
product?  If so let me know = might be a good topic for future 
program.

I've done a Social Networking presentation recently for some friends 
of mine and can do one.

Other ideas?
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Tue Oct 13 10:14:20 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:14:20 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Raffle items for the next meeting
Message-ID: <p06240816c6fa491e6cc8@[10.0.1.192]>

I think someone is holding onto a few of them and can you bring them 
to the next meeting?  Or get them to me before it.

Also, if people here are interested in an application called 
TimeTable,   http://www.stevenriggs.com/Site/TimeTable.html -- I'll 
have a license to raffle at the next meeting.

If we can come up with a way to include list-only members in raffles 
[but only if you really can't make it to meetings except rarely] I'd 
be fine with that when it's 'just' a software license.

If people are interested in the TT license and may not make it to the 
next meeting, let me know.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From alan.maupin at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 10:58:24 2009
From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:58:24 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Circus Ponies Notebook?  Other program topics.
In-Reply-To: <p06240814c6fa445a4e97@[10.0.1.192]>
References: <p06240814c6fa445a4e97@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <74588E13-56E6-46FD-8B9B-9E66FCB04A29@gmail.com>

I recently acquired a license to a program called Photomatix.    
Photomatix allows easy conversion of bracketed exposures into an HDR  
"high dynamic range" image.   I'd be wiling to demonstrate.  We could  
use RAW bracketed images from a Canon or Nikon shot on location.   We  
could load the images into a MacBook and convert to HDR in 20 minutes  
or so.   This program would probably be of more interest to folks who  
own an SLR camera with the bracketing function.  The output image can  
be quite amazing.

Here is the wiki definition for "high dynamic range" imaging.  <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_dynamic_range_imaging 
 >

An example of an HDR image I recently created is located here:  <http://public.me.com/alan.maupin 
 >  The file name is "Lake_HDR.jpg."


On Oct 13, 2009, at 9:52 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> Is anyone interested in a demonstration or discussion of this
> product?  If so let me know = might be a good topic for future
> program.
>
> I've done a Social Networking presentation recently for some friends
> of mine and can do one.
>
> Other ideas?
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs:
> http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography];
> http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination];
> http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Tue Oct 13 12:02:08 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:02:08 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Repair boot drive.
In-Reply-To: <0E98E5CE-C6D9-43C2-ABB2-A7CBA3424452@kagallery.net>
References: <912234.79773.qm@web110311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<6AF0D98F-126E-4D2C-8D11-5872A2FE0A71@mchsi.com>
	<0E98E5CE-C6D9-43C2-ABB2-A7CBA3424452@kagallery.net>
Message-ID: <p0624081ac6fa6247521d@[10.0.1.192]>

I don't want to spend your money for you, but depending on how much 
you have on your boot drive, getting an external harddrive that large 
plus 10-20% might not cost all that much and, in any event, may be 
much safer than doing anything involving maintenance.

A good idea, failing the need or ability to spend $, is to back up 
what you treasure FREE to Mozy, Dropbox [I'll send you invites if you 
want, as I get 'credit' for doing so], and SugarSync etc. up to 2G of 
info = I just really believe that it's better to spend $$ to get a 
backup just in case than to save money and wish you had done a 
backup.  If something goes wrong, all the $$$ in the world won't mean 
a thing.

Microsoft/Sidekick fiasco comes to mind.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Tue Oct 13 12:03:40 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:03:40 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] trouble with Mail.app
In-Reply-To: <180F360B-C02D-4634-A5CA-FB4956DF948A@mchsi.com>
References: <532839.72832.qm@web110304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<180F360B-C02D-4634-A5CA-FB4956DF948A@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <p0624081bc6fa63438d6d@[10.0.1.192]>

and the easiest way to contact your congressperson is via 
Congress.org, where you can search and find who they are from 
President on down and click on links to go directly to their website 
email.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From jon at mac-consultant.com  Tue Oct 13 13:06:20 2009
From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:06:20 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Backups (in response to the Danger/Sidekick Fiasco)
Message-ID: <F40777F2-79D0-4956-A0D4-A8ECFD156263@mac-consultant.com>

Victoria alluded to this in another post, but it requires some further  
explanation...

The fiasco with the Sidekick phones is apparently a result of poor  
planning on the part of Microsoft, and their SAN integrator- Hitachi.
(As a side note, I am a SAN admin, so I deal with these technologies  
on a day to day basis.)

Apparently Hitachi was updating the Storage Area Network (SAN,) which  
went south. Microsoft then went to their backup of the data, which was  
also corrupt. Updating a SAN is a relatively risky procedure, often  
requiring zero corruption on many tens of Terabytes of data. Because  
of this nature, it is imperative that a good backup is performed, as a  
heavily corrupt SAN is usually unrecoverable (a single file can be  
spread between not only many hard drives, but many devices.)

This provides the opportunity to talk about backups a bit...

1) A good backup is a verifiable backup

If you are dumping info into Time Machine, and you are _never_ pulling  
info back out of it and checking, how do you know that the data is  
good? In the instance of the SideKick data, this means that they would  
have known that the backup is good, and that they could rely on it.  
Until you know that you can recover from it, you cannot call it a good  
backup.

2) A good backup consists of many backups of the same data.

I store three months of backups, and I consider that too little, but  
don't dare increase my budget. If you are relying on all of your data  
being on a single hard drive, what happens if there is a fire and both  
your computer and backup is lost? If all of your backup is in one  
cloud (Mozy) and that cloud bursts like the SideKick cloud did, you  
are hosed. Now, if you have daily backups on a time machine volume,  
and a weekly backup to Mozy, you are protected from either example.  
Mozy is your offsite backup, the time machine

3) Synchronization is not backup.

Synchronization ensures that all of you data is the same between all  
instances that you create. If you are syncing your address book on  
your mac with an iPhone, you have two instances of the data, but they  
are tied together. If you delete a contact on one (or a virus deletes  
all of them) that deletion is transferred to your backup. I realize  
that there are ways that the sync service tries to reduce the chance  
of this, but it is still a possibility. However, an offline copy of  
your address book on a USB thumb drive that is not plugged into your  
computer cannot not be changed, at least until it is plugged in again.  
Dropbox is a synchronization service.

Part of the Sidekick debacle is because it is apparently a  
synchronization service. They are telling people not to power down  
their phones, because it apparently wipes the internal memory and re- 
downloads content from Microsoft servers. Of course there isn't any  
data to re-download...

4) RAID is not backup.

RAID (except 0) is a way to protect from hard drive crashes. It does  
not protect from application corruption, accidental deletion, or  
intentional deletion. All of which are much more likely than hard  
drive corruption during the majority of the life of a hard drive. RAID  
is useful for server admins that deal with distributing data amongst  
many hard drives, which actually is a great way to exponentially
increase the likelihood of data loss due to hard drive failure.

RAID 0 offers no protection at all- in fact, it is will exponentially  
increase your likelihood of data loss due to hard drive failure. Be  
careful when purchasing large external hard drive, as they are  
sometimes two drives that are internally configured as RAID 0. This is  
useful for professional video primarily.

5) Backup as sparse as you are willing to recover from.

- If you couldn't stand losing more than a week's worth of data, you'd  
best be backing up weekly.
- If you couldn't stand losing more than a day's worth of data, you'd  
best be backing up daily.
- If you couldn't stand losing more than an hour's worth of data,  
you'd best be backing up hourly.

You know what is important and what is not. Make sure to taylor your  
backup routine to your needs. Incremental backups, such as Time  
Machine are good about this.

6) Recovery options are available, but expensive.

Data recovery costs a minimum of $1000 for a hard drive. And they  
don't guarantee they can recover anything.

-- 
- Jon
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From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 13 13:17:55 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:17:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [DM-MUG] Backups (in response to the Danger/Sidekick Fiasco)
In-Reply-To: <F40777F2-79D0-4956-A0D4-A8ECFD156263@mac-consultant.com>
Message-ID: <405416.56706.qm@web110307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Good info. Much I didn't know and a bit I was misguided on. Thank you Jon! 

--- On Tue, 10/13/09, Jon Thompson <jon at mac-consultant.com> wrote:

From: Jon Thompson <jon at mac-consultant.com>
Subject: [DM-MUG] Backups (in response to the Danger/Sidekick Fiasco)
To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 1:06 PM

Victoria alluded to this in another post, but it requires some further explanation...
The fiasco with the Sidekick phones is apparently a result of poor planning on the part of Microsoft, and their SAN integrator- Hitachi.?(As a side note, I am a SAN admin, so I deal with these technologies on a day to day basis.)
Apparently Hitachi was updating the Storage Area Network (SAN,) which went south. Microsoft then went to their backup of the data, which was also corrupt. Updating a SAN is a relatively risky procedure, often requiring zero corruption on many tens of Terabytes of data. Because of this nature, it is imperative that a good backup is performed, as a heavily corrupt SAN is usually unrecoverable (a single file can be spread between not only many hard drives, but many devices.)
This provides the opportunity to talk about backups a bit...
1) A good backup is a verifiable backup
If you are dumping info into Time Machine, and you are _never_ pulling info back out of it and checking, how do you know that the data is good? In the instance of the SideKick data, this means that they would have known that the backup is good, and that they could rely on it. Until you know that you can recover from it, you cannot call it a good backup.
2) A good backup consists of many backups of the same data.
I store three months of backups, and I consider that too little, but don't dare increase my budget. If you are relying on all of your data being on a single hard drive, what happens if there is a fire and both your computer and backup is lost? If all of your backup is in one cloud (Mozy) and that cloud bursts like the SideKick cloud did, you are hosed. Now, if you have daily backups on a time machine volume, and a weekly backup to Mozy, you are protected from either example. Mozy is your offsite backup, the time machine?
3) Synchronization is not backup.
Synchronization ensures that all of you data is the same between all instances that you create. If you are syncing your address book on your mac with an iPhone, you have two instances of the data, but they are tied together. If you delete a contact on one (or a virus deletes all of them) that deletion is transferred to your backup. I realize that there are ways that the sync service tries to reduce the chance of this, but it is still a possibility. However, an offline copy of your address book on a USB thumb drive that is not plugged into your computer cannot not be changed, at least until it is plugged in again. Dropbox is a synchronization service.
Part of the Sidekick debacle is because it is apparently a synchronization service. They are telling people not to power down their phones, because it apparently wipes the internal memory and re-downloads content from Microsoft servers. Of course there isn't any data to re-download...
4) RAID is not backup.
RAID (except 0) is a way to protect from hard drive crashes. It does not protect from application corruption, accidental deletion, or intentional deletion. All of which are much more likely than hard drive corruption during the majority of the life of a hard drive. RAID is useful for server admins that deal with distributing data amongst many hard drives, which actually is a great way to exponentially?increase the likelihood of data loss due to hard drive failure.
RAID 0 offers no protection at all- in fact, it is will exponentially increase your likelihood of data loss due to hard drive failure. Be careful when purchasing large external hard drive, as they are sometimes two drives that are internally configured as RAID 0. This is useful for professional video primarily.
5) Backup as sparse as you are willing to recover from.
- If you couldn't stand losing more than a week's worth of data, you'd best be backing up weekly.- If you couldn't stand losing more than a day's worth of data, you'd best be backing up daily.- If you couldn't stand losing more than an hour's worth of data, you'd best be backing up hourly.?
You know what is important and what is not. Make sure to taylor your backup routine to your needs. Incremental backups, such as Time Machine are good about this.
6) Recovery options are available, but expensive.
Data recovery costs a minimum of $1000 for a hard drive. And they don't guarantee they can recover anything.

--?- Jon
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From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 13 14:25:37 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:25:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [DM-MUG] Repair boot drive.
In-Reply-To: <p0624081ac6fa6247521d@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <525145.75242.qm@web110313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Thanks for the tips everyone! Lots of useful info. How I adore this email list. 

I isolated the problem to be Suitcase Fusion gliche and the 2000 of the 3000 fonts it keeps trying to 'activate', or turn on for use, thus preventing Adobe programs from being able to launch due to overload of trying to access the crazy number of fonts. The boot drive still needed diagnostic tests and Disk Utility from the Install Disk was able to verify, repair, and fix the problems in a rather short amount of time without affecting any of the stray files I sync from my laptop to the desktop. I had never used it from the install disk. 

Over reliance on external drives (and other removable media storage)
Funny story. I had 2 external hard drives. Different brands--Seagate Diamond internal converted into a maxtor enclosure for external backups and an external Lacie--different capacities, bought 5 months apart. They were purely used for backups and turned off when not in use. Both failed for different reasons, but within 2 weeks of each other. They were both plugged into a surge protector which was thread to a battery backup device. Both failures were hardware related even though they seemed unrelated to each other. I tried having the data recovered and it was not possible. The Lacie, when the enclosure was taken apart, I found out the components they really use. Aluminum foil is one of them. I was not impressed, and spent a lot of money to try to salvage what was on the drives with not even 1 file recovered. I later reasoned transferring large amounts of data in one sitting (sometimes I needed to do this on a daily basis, other times it was weekly) is
 taxing on external drives (regardless of USB/Firewire/capacity/brand/Specs) and I believe this greatly shortened the lifespan since I knew less about external drives or hard drives in general compared to now. 

I've had internal drive failure in the past as well, but at least I get a few years of use out of them instead of 6-12 months. Combined, I lost years and 400 GB of photos, design/art work, and archived files. These drives were purely used as backup. I never worked directly from the external drives to prevent problems. Just like it's not advised to work directly from a USB Flash/Jump drive. It's proven hard drives have a longer longevity as an internal vs external set up. I think the biggest factor is cooling and overheating because most external drives don't have a fan to cool them. I've also had too many bad disks, so I back up 2-3 of the same just on the assumption 1 of them will not work properly for whatever reason. The lower speeds last longer and are more durable. However it means I have 500 DVDs (not going to count the CDs, ZIP, or cases of floppies I have not yet pulled files off of and disposed of).

I've managed to downsize from 8 to 2 boxes of peripherals, old drives, etc? between then and now. I'm enough of a pack rat as stands. The drives I do still have is anyone's guess as to what OS is on them. I was considering investing in a consumer-end RAID (1? Striped) Bay--with internal cooling functions. Now I'm having second thoughts after reading what Jon mentioned. If you suggest a different alternative for the growth of a Home Office set up I'm open to ideas!

I'm now more informed about cloud computing... Jon's, Ray's, Chris's, Kristau's, Victoria's, and everyone else's tips really helped. :)

If there's a fire... well I guess I will find out how the titanium casing on the Mac Pro really holds up.... It survived without a scratch or any other abusive damages after a tumble down a flight of stairs. I probably just jinxed myself.

I supppose the lesson at large is, nothing is full proof and living organism or not, most things have an expiration date where it is known or not.

--- On Tue, 10/13/09, Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com> wrote:

From: Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com>
Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Repair boot drive.
To: "Chris Kavanaugh" <chris at kavanaughgallery.com>, "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 12:02 PM

I don't want to spend your money for you, but depending on how much 
you have on your boot drive, getting an external harddrive that large 
plus 10-20% might not cost all that much and, in any event, may be 
much safer than doing anything involving maintenance.

A good idea, failing the need or ability to spend $, is to back up 
what you treasure FREE to Mozy, Dropbox [I'll send you invites if you 
want, as I get 'credit' for doing so], and SugarSync etc. up to 2G of 
info = I just really believe that it's better to spend $$ to get a 
backup just in case than to save money and wish you had done a 
backup.? If something goes wrong, all the $$$ in the world won't mean 
a thing.

Microsoft/Sidekick fiasco comes to mind.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com? [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com? [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/? [personal].



      
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Tue Oct 13 15:26:05 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:26:05 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Backups (in response to the Danger/Sidekick Fiasco)
In-Reply-To: <F40777F2-79D0-4956-A0D4-A8ECFD156263@mac-consultant.com>
References: <F40777F2-79D0-4956-A0D4-A8ECFD156263@mac-consultant.com>
Message-ID: <p0624082cc6fa928ea2eb@[10.0.1.192]>

Excellent info Jon = if we find a webmaster to keep up the DMMUG 
website it should be cleaned up [I found some typos] and put on the 
website.

In the shortterm, I could clean it up, give you credit and DMMUG and 
post on my blog....


-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Tue Oct 13 15:27:44 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:27:44 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] on the website
Message-ID: <p0624082dc6fa92dfb5b7@[10.0.1.192]>

if we cannot find someone to take it over, I am going to propose we 
either create a blog at Blogger or a page at Facebook and then we can 
just use the templates already provided and everyone here can post or 
not as they choose.  I need the webmaster volunteer by the end of 
next week, Oct. 23rd.

And webmastering does NOT need to be done by someone in DM = it can 
be done long distance, as long as the person will be responsive [we 
don't really demand all that much].
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Tue Oct 13 15:41:09 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:41:09 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: [MacLaw] Snow Leopard Users: Please Disable Guest
	Account
Message-ID: <p0624082fc6fa9653850d@[10.0.1.192]>

>D
>http://www.tuaw.com/2009/10/12/bug-tracker-snow-leopard-guest-account-deleting-files/
>
>This is not widespread, but it's dangerous enough that you should
>disable the Guest account until such time as it's addressed.  To do
>this, open System Prefs, click Accounts, click the lock &
>authenticate, and then select the Guest account and disable it for the
>time being.
>
>Best,
>
>Tom
>
>--
>Tom Bridge, Partner
>Technolutionary LLC
>www.technolutionary.com -- Technically, we can help.

-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Tue Oct 13 15:46:47 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:46:47 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Re: [MacLaw] Sidekick Customer Data Lost in the Clouds
Message-ID: <p06240830c6fa97a2d384@[10.0.1.192]>

>
><http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/10/12/microsofts_sidekick_pink_problems_blamed_on_dogfooding_and_sabotage.html
>  >
>
>which may be shortened to <http://tinyurl.com/yzfnwtz>
>
>is an article explaining how M$ is as fault and possibly through gross 
>mismanagement coupled with contempt for any OS other than their own. 
>The  outlook is said to be grim for anyone losing their on-their-own-
>phone data.

-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From jon at mac-consultant.com  Tue Oct 13 15:48:07 2009
From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:48:07 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Backups (in response to the Danger/Sidekick Fiasco)
In-Reply-To: <p0624082cc6fa928ea2eb@[10.0.1.192]>
References: <F40777F2-79D0-4956-A0D4-A8ECFD156263@mac-consultant.com>
	<p0624082cc6fa928ea2eb@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <356D4FBD-8BB3-4ECC-8B98-6DEFDBF2BBA3@mac-consultant.com>

That sounds great! Send me the typos. I'm pretty good, but really busy  
at the moment.

On Oct 13, 2009, at 3:26 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> Excellent info Jon = if we find a webmaster to keep up the DMMUG
> website it should be cleaned up [I found some typos] and put on the
> website.
>
> In the shortterm, I could clean it up, give you credit and DMMUG and
> post on my blog....
>
>
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs:
> http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography];
> http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination];
> http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].
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From jon at mac-consultant.com  Tue Oct 13 15:53:17 2009
From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:53:17 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Backups (in response to the Danger/Sidekick Fiasco)
In-Reply-To: <p0624082cc6fa928ea2eb@[10.0.1.192]>
References: <F40777F2-79D0-4956-A0D4-A8ECFD156263@mac-consultant.com>
	<p0624082cc6fa928ea2eb@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <D5689BA1-2DFB-44BC-A384-62E16392EEDF@mac-consultant.com>

On second thought, I've set up a blog and will post it there once it  
is edited.
-- 
- Jon
On Oct 13, 2009, at 3:26 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> Excellent info Jon = if we find a webmaster to keep up the DMMUG
> website it should be cleaned up [I found some typos] and put on the
> website.
>
> In the shortterm, I could clean it up, give you credit and DMMUG and
> post on my blog....
>
>
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs:
> http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography];
> http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination];
> http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Tue Oct 13 16:03:23 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:03:23 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Backups (in response to the Danger/Sidekick Fiasco)
In-Reply-To: <D5689BA1-2DFB-44BC-A384-62E16392EEDF@mac-consultant.com>
References: <F40777F2-79D0-4956-A0D4-A8ECFD156263@mac-consultant.com>
	<p0624082cc6fa928ea2eb@[10.0.1.192]>
	<D5689BA1-2DFB-44BC-A384-62E16392EEDF@mac-consultant.com>
Message-ID: <p06240833c6fa9b90bf4b@[10.0.1.192]>

and I'll cross post = will edit and send to you in a little bit
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Tue Oct 13 16:25:43 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:25:43 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Re: [MacLaw] Sidekick Customer Data Lost in the Clouds
Message-ID: <p06240837c6faa0a4efc9@[10.0.1.192]>

>Here's what my source inside the situation is saying.  Pretty sure it's not
>*entirely* MS' fault, even if they're getting the majority of the blame. :
>Danger, purchased by Microsoft, was moved into a Verizon Business datacenter
>in Kent, WA a short while ago. While this had to do with the MS
>assimilation, it was done as a one for one move from Danger to a DC that MS
>uses heavily. (MS didn't re-write, port, migrate to winblows, etc.) The
>backend service uses a variety of hardware, load balancers, firewalls, web
>and application servers, and an EMC SAN (Storage Area Network, think huge
>drive array connected with fiber.)
>
>Well last Tuesday, the EMC SAN took a dump on itself. What I mean by that is
>the backplane let the magic blue smoke out. While usually in the heavy iron
>class of datacenter products like an EMC SAN this means you fail over to the
>redundant backplane and life continues on. Not this time folks. In the
>process of dying, it took out the parity drives. What does that mean? It
>means the fancy RAID lost it's ability to actually be a RAID. How much data
>got eaten by this mega-oops? 800TB. Why wasn't it backed up? It was, to
>offsite tape, like it's supposed to. But when the array is toast, can't just
>start copying shit back.
>
>Apparently EMC has been on site since Tuesday, but didn't actually inform
>Danger/MS that their data is in the crapper until Friday afternoon. On top
>of that, EMC has done nothing to bring in replacement equipment between
>Tuesday and Friday. (In the Enterprise support world, that's fucking
>retarded, multi-million dollar support contracts are that expensive for a
>reason.)
>
>So what's being done? Well the good news is that the complex was slated to
>be migrated into the Verizon Business cloud services (not MS's cloud per se,
>but it's MS's effort.) And as a part of that migration a newer shinier SAN
>array was in process of being implemented. But space isn't ready for it on
>the datacenter floor, and you can't just toss the EMC raid and place this
>one in it's place, it's a different vendor and is 2 racks instead of one.
>This means it's being shoehorned into a different part of the datacenter
>than was originally planned, one that doesn't have the necessary 3 phase
>power installed. So there's a bit of work to be done. Not to mention the
>restoral of 800TB of backup data from offsite tape.
>
>Time to restoral? Looking like Wednesday at the earliest with techs working
>all weekend.
>
>Lessons to be learned?
>*Buy a f'n phone that doesn't store it's address book and your personal data
>somewhere else, and one you personally can backup yourself.
>
>*Don't expect EMC to actually respond to fixing your core business
>application in any reasonable amount of time. They've gotten lazy, consider
>other vendors.
>
>*Just because your phone says T-Mobile on it, and T-Mobile is crediting you
>a month's service, doesn't mean they fucked up.
>
>*Just because Microsoft is involved, doesn't mean MS f**ked up.
>
>*And lastly, it's not always a "server" that f**ks up.
>

-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From jon at mac-consultant.com  Tue Oct 13 16:59:58 2009
From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:59:58 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Re: [MacLaw] Sidekick Customer Data Lost in the
	Clouds
In-Reply-To: <p06240837c6faa0a4efc9@[10.0.1.192]>
References: <p06240837c6faa0a4efc9@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <4811A2A1-B63B-4AD9-9B4D-47772624B609@mac-consultant.com>

I just love that some of the words are censored, and some are not.

This certainly has more info than I have heard before. It also is the  
type of thing we SAN admins fear. It takes three days to transfer my  
data, and that is only my tiny 9 TB SAN (also with a single LTO-3 tape  
drive, which slows things down.)

I'm quite surprised. All I've heard is MS is saying that the data is  
gone. I realize that it is better to under-promise and over-deliver,  
but also figure that they would have under-promised a little less,  
considering they have people believing their data is _gone_.

As for taking out the parity: that's what would keep me awake, if I  
didn't have backups. Hardware failures can cause other hardware  
failures. Many hardware failures spell trouble. SANs are a _lot_ of  
hardware. Mine is 24 Hard Drives in two RAID arrays, with a Fiber  
Channel Switch, an Ethernet Switch, and three XServes with two hard  
drives apiece. And that's a little SAN.

As for not telling the client that things died for four days- that is  
unconscionable. They should have had a second device on order within  
ten minutes, so when they did tell MS, they could say that it was  
already on order and would be here within X number of hours.

Screwing up this badly _should_ put EMC out of business. I would  
cancel any contracts with them, if I had them. Anyone want to buy the  
Absolut building?

On Oct 13, 2009, at 4:25 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

>> Here's what my source inside the situation is saying.  Pretty sure  
>> it's not
>> *entirely* MS' fault, even if they're getting the majority of the  
>> blame. :
>> Danger, purchased by Microsoft, was moved into a Verizon Business  
>> datacenter
>> in Kent, WA a short while ago. While this had to do with the MS
>> assimilation, it was done as a one for one move from Danger to a DC  
>> that MS
>> uses heavily. (MS didn't re-write, port, migrate to winblows, etc.)  
>> The
>> backend service uses a variety of hardware, load balancers,  
>> firewalls, web
>> and application servers, and an EMC SAN (Storage Area Network,  
>> think huge
>> drive array connected with fiber.)
>>
>> Well last Tuesday, the EMC SAN took a dump on itself. What I mean  
>> by that is
>> the backplane let the magic blue smoke out. While usually in the  
>> heavy iron
>> class of datacenter products like an EMC SAN this means you fail  
>> over to the
>> redundant backplane and life continues on. Not this time folks. In  
>> the
>> process of dying, it took out the parity drives. What does that  
>> mean? It
>> means the fancy RAID lost it's ability to actually be a RAID. How  
>> much data
>> got eaten by this mega-oops? 800TB. Why wasn't it backed up? It  
>> was, to
>> offsite tape, like it's supposed to. But when the array is toast,  
>> can't just
>> start copying shit back.
>>
>> Apparently EMC has been on site since Tuesday, but didn't actually  
>> inform
>> Danger/MS that their data is in the crapper until Friday afternoon.  
>> On top
>> of that, EMC has done nothing to bring in replacement equipment  
>> between
>> Tuesday and Friday. (In the Enterprise support world, that's fucking
>> retarded, multi-million dollar support contracts are that expensive  
>> for a
>> reason.)
>>
>> So what's being done? Well the good news is that the complex was  
>> slated to
>> be migrated into the Verizon Business cloud services (not MS's  
>> cloud per se,
>> but it's MS's effort.) And as a part of that migration a newer  
>> shinier SAN
>> array was in process of being implemented. But space isn't ready  
>> for it on
>> the datacenter floor, and you can't just toss the EMC raid and  
>> place this
>> one in it's place, it's a different vendor and is 2 racks instead  
>> of one.
>> This means it's being shoehorned into a different part of the  
>> datacenter
>> than was originally planned, one that doesn't have the necessary 3  
>> phase
>> power installed. So there's a bit of work to be done. Not to  
>> mention the
>> restoral of 800TB of backup data from offsite tape.
>>
>> Time to restoral? Looking like Wednesday at the earliest with techs  
>> working
>> all weekend.
>>
>> Lessons to be learned?
>> *Buy a f'n phone that doesn't store it's address book and your  
>> personal data
>> somewhere else, and one you personally can backup yourself.
>>
>> *Don't expect EMC to actually respond to fixing your core business
>> application in any reasonable amount of time. They've gotten lazy,  
>> consider
>> other vendors.
>>
>> *Just because your phone says T-Mobile on it, and T-Mobile is  
>> crediting you
>> a month's service, doesn't mean they fucked up.
>>
>> *Just because Microsoft is involved, doesn't mean MS f**ked up.
>>
>> *And lastly, it's not always a "server" that f**ks up.
>>
>
> -- 
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> http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography];
> http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination];
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Tue Oct 13 17:54:48 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:54:48 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] TimeTable - raffle item
Message-ID: <p06240840c6fab51bbbba@[10.0.1.192]>

>>>TimeTable: Free Raffle Item
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I have attached your license file to this email (yourname.ttlicense).  
>>>Please follow the instructions below to install it.
>>>
>>>
>>>1 - If you have not already done so, install TimeTable 1.7
>>>	Visit: <http://www.stevenriggs.com>http://www.stevenriggs.com
>>>	Click on the DOWNLOAD button
>>>	Follow the instructions to install TimeTable
>>>
>>><http://www.stevenriggs.com>http://www.stevenriggs.com
>>>

I have the license to provide to the winner of the 
raffle....obviously, those at the meeting will be there to put into 
the hat their names --- if you can't make the meeting and want your 
name put in, send me [not the list = ME!!!!] a note and I'll add you 
to the hat.


I also have another lapdesk to raffle off.

May the best person win!
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].
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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Tue Oct 13 19:21:48 2009
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:21:48 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Backups (in response to the Danger/Sidekick Fiasco)
In-Reply-To: <F40777F2-79D0-4956-A0D4-A8ECFD156263@mac-consultant.com>
References: <F40777F2-79D0-4956-A0D4-A8ECFD156263@mac-consultant.com>
Message-ID: <F27FCFE9-23D3-4CCA-BA9D-726166C4D102@mchsi.com>

Jon,

Thanks for the info.

Ray
On Oct 13, 2009, at Oct 13, 20091:06 PM, Jon Thompson wrote:

> Victoria alluded to this in another post, but it requires some  
> further explanation...
>
> The fiasco with the Sidekick phones is apparently a result of poor  
> planning on the part of Microsoft, and their SAN integrator- Hitachi.
> (As a side note, I am a SAN admin, so I deal with these technologies  
> on a day to day basis.)
>
> Apparently Hitachi was updating the Storage Area Network (SAN,)  
> which went south. Microsoft then went to their backup of the data,  
> which was also corrupt. Updating a SAN is a relatively risky  
> procedure, often requiring zero corruption on many tens of Terabytes  
> of data. Because of this nature, it is imperative that a good backup  
> is performed, as a heavily corrupt SAN is usually unrecoverable (a  
> single file can be spread between not only many hard drives, but  
> many devices.)
>
> This provides the opportunity to talk about backups a bit...
>
> 1) A good backup is a verifiable backup
>
> If you are dumping info into Time Machine, and you are _never_  
> pulling info back out of it and checking, how do you know that the  
> data is good? In the instance of the SideKick data, this means that  
> they would have known that the backup is good, and that they could  
> rely on it. Until you know that you can recover from it, you cannot  
> call it a good backup.
>
> 2) A good backup consists of many backups of the same data.
>
> I store three months of backups, and I consider that too little, but  
> don't dare increase my budget. If you are relying on all of your  
> data being on a single hard drive, what happens if there is a fire  
> and both your computer and backup is lost? If all of your backup is  
> in one cloud (Mozy) and that cloud bursts like the SideKick cloud  
> did, you are hosed. Now, if you have daily backups on a time machine  
> volume, and a weekly backup to Mozy, you are protected from either  
> example. Mozy is your offsite backup, the time machine
>
> 3) Synchronization is not backup.
>
> Synchronization ensures that all of you data is the same between all  
> instances that you create. If you are syncing your address book on  
> your mac with an iPhone, you have two instances of the data, but  
> they are tied together. If you delete a contact on one (or a virus  
> deletes all of them) that deletion is transferred to your backup. I  
> realize that there are ways that the sync service tries to reduce  
> the chance of this, but it is still a possibility. However, an  
> offline copy of your address book on a USB thumb drive that is not  
> plugged into your computer cannot not be changed, at least until it  
> is plugged in again. Dropbox is a synchronization service.
>
> Part of the Sidekick debacle is because it is apparently a  
> synchronization service. They are telling people not to power down  
> their phones, because it apparently wipes the internal memory and re- 
> downloads content from Microsoft servers. Of course there isn't any  
> data to re-download...
>
> 4) RAID is not backup.
>
> RAID (except 0) is a way to protect from hard drive crashes. It does  
> not protect from application corruption, accidental deletion, or  
> intentional deletion. All of which are much more likely than hard  
> drive corruption during the majority of the life of a hard drive.  
> RAID is useful for server admins that deal with distributing data  
> amongst many hard drives, which actually is a great way to  
> exponentially
> increase the likelihood of data loss due to hard drive failure.
>
> RAID 0 offers no protection at all- in fact, it is will  
> exponentially increase your likelihood of data loss due to hard  
> drive failure. Be careful when purchasing large external hard drive,  
> as they are sometimes two drives that are internally configured as  
> RAID 0. This is useful for professional video primarily.
>
> 5) Backup as sparse as you are willing to recover from.
>
> - If you couldn't stand losing more than a week's worth of data,  
> you'd best be backing up weekly.
> - If you couldn't stand losing more than a day's worth of data,  
> you'd best be backing up daily.
> - If you couldn't stand losing more than an hour's worth of data,  
> you'd best be backing up hourly.
>
> You know what is important and what is not. Make sure to taylor your  
> backup routine to your needs. Incremental backups, such as Time  
> Machine are good about this.
>
> 6) Recovery options are available, but expensive.
>
> Data recovery costs a minimum of $1000 for a hard drive. And they  
> don't guarantee they can recover anything.
>
> -- 
> - Jon
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From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 13 22:58:13 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:58:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [DM-MUG] on the website
In-Reply-To: <p0624082dc6fa92dfb5b7@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <479514.45603.qm@web110309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Personally, I'd like to see the site continue instead of going the way of a blogger or Wordpress format. 

For how long? What would this entail? It'd be quite a learning experience. I'm afraid I'm not as savvy as the current webmaster. I use GoLive and Fireworks for web work. I know basic HTML. It sounded like a template was used so I could likely pick up or manage. I'm willing to add to the little I know of it. I've only been able to find part time work, so I have the time. 

I could transition to volunteer as webmaster and assume the role in mid-November, after I move to my new place. If someone else prefers or is better skilled wants it, and more local, by all means I don't object to them taking on the role.? 

-Angela

--- On Tue, 10/13/09, Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com> wrote:

From: Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com>
Subject: [DM-MUG] on the website
To: "MUG Des Moines" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 3:27 PM

if we cannot find someone to take it over, I am going to propose we 
either create a blog at Blogger or a page at Facebook and then we can 
just use the templates already provided and everyone here can post or 
not as they choose.? I need the webmaster volunteer by the end of 
next week, Oct. 23rd.

And webmastering does NOT need to be done by someone in DM = it can 
be done long distance, as long as the person will be responsive [we 
don't really demand all that much].
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com? [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com? [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/? [personal].
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Wed Oct 14 07:24:53 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:24:53 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] on the website
In-Reply-To: <479514.45603.qm@web110309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <479514.45603.qm@web110309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p06240842c6fb71f2fdbf@[10.0.1.192]>

I'll have David McLaughlin get in touch with you=  I didn't get the 
sense it was all that tough, just that he ran out of time.  Perhaps 
it's something that could be done fairly easily = it's not as if we 
have loads to upload = we're mainly in need of [1] meeting info 
before them and after and [2] occasional posting of reviews or items 
of interest to all.

If there is not a transition soon, to someone willing and able to 
take over the website, and David doesn't want to continue it then 
it'll be a dead website just after people dug deep and contributed, 
even when they could not afford it, and we paid $80 to keep the 
domain name.  Doesn't make much sense to me, frankly.

The benefit of a blogging format is that once the site is greated and 
domain name patched over to it, then we can all share in the upkeep = 
we don't have to ask webmaster to upload, if you have a review or 
whatever it can be posted...but again, it's up to DMMUG members.


>Personally, I'd like to see the site continue instead of going the 
>way of a blogger or Wordpress format.
>
>For how long? What would this entail? It'd be quite a learning 
>experience. I'm afraid I'm not as savvy as the current webmaster. I 
>use GoLive and Fireworks for web work. I know basic HTML. It sounded 
>like a template was used so I could likely pick up or manage. I'm 
>willing to add to the little I know of it. I've only been able to 
>find part time work, so I have the time.
>
>I could transition to volunteer as webmaster and assume the role in 
>mid-November, after I move to my new place. If someone else prefers 
>or is better skilled wants it, and more local, by all means I don't 
>object to them taking on the role. 
>
>-Angela
>
>--- On Tue, 10/13/09, Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com> wrote:
>
>
>From: Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com>
>Subject: [DM-MUG] on the website
>To: "MUG Des Moines" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
>Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 3:27 PM
>
>if we cannot find someone to take it over, I am going to propose we
>either create a blog at Blogger or a page at Facebook and then we can
>just use the templates already provided and everyone here can post or
>not as they choose.  I need the webmaster volunteer by the end of
>next week, Oct. 23rd.
>
>And webmastering does NOT need to be done by someone in DM = it can
>be done long distance, as long as the person will be responsive [we
>don't really demand all that much].

-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].
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From hfwelch at mac.com  Wed Oct 14 07:30:15 2009
From: hfwelch at mac.com (Holly Welch)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:30:15 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] on the website
In-Reply-To: <p06240842c6fb71f2fdbf@[10.0.1.192]>
References: <479514.45603.qm@web110309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<p06240842c6fb71f2fdbf@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <7BA078F7-52F1-4829-8F50-39B82D449EA8@mac.com>

I thought  Anastasia offered to take over the website. Am I missing  
something?
On Oct 14, 2009, at 7:24 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> I'll have David McLaughlin get in touch with you=  I didn't get the  
> sense it was all that tough, just that he ran out of time.  Perhaps  
> it's something that could be done fairly easily = it's not as if we  
> have loads to upload = we're mainly in need of [1] meeting info  
> before them and after and [2] occasional posting of reviews or  
> items of interest to all.
>
> If there is not a transition soon, to someone willing and able to  
> take over the website, and David doesn't want to continue it then  
> it'll be a dead website just after people dug deep and contributed,  
> even when they could not afford it, and we paid $80 to keep the  
> domain name.  Doesn't make much sense to me, frankly.
>
> The benefit of a blogging format is that once the site is greated  
> and domain name patched over to it, then we can all share in the  
> upkeep = we don't have to ask webmaster to upload, if you have a  
> review or whatever it can be posted...but again, it's up to DMMUG  
> members.
>
>
>> Personally, I'd like to see the site continue instead of going the  
>> way of a blogger or Wordpress format.
>>
>> For how long? What would this entail? It'd be quite a learning  
>> experience. I'm afraid I'm not as savvy as the current webmaster.  
>> I use GoLive and Fireworks for web work. I know basic HTML. It  
>> sounded like a template was used so I could likely pick up or  
>> manage. I'm willing to add to the little I know of it. I've only  
>> been able to find part time work, so I have the time.
>>
>> I could transition to volunteer as webmaster and assume the role  
>> in mid-November, after I move to my new place. If someone else  
>> prefers or is better skilled wants it, and more local, by all  
>> means I don't object to them taking on the role.
>>
>> -Angela
>>
>> --- On Tue, 10/13/09, Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com>
>> Subject: [DM-MUG] on the website
>> To: "MUG Des Moines" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
>> Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 3:27 PM
>> if we cannot find someone to take it over, I am going to propose we
>> either create a blog at Blogger or a page at Facebook and then we can
>> just use the templates already provided and everyone here can post or
>> not as they choose.  I need the webmaster volunteer by the end of
>> next week, Oct. 23rd.
>>
>> And webmastering does NOT need to be done by someone in DM = it can
>> be done long distance, as long as the person will be responsive [we
>> don't really demand all that much].
>
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs:  http:// 
> blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography];  http://www.herringlaw.com   
> [civilrights/discrimination]; http://victorialherring.typepad.com/ 
> serendipity/  [personal].
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Wed Oct 14 08:03:47 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:03:47 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] on the website
In-Reply-To: <7BA078F7-52F1-4829-8F50-39B82D449EA8@mac.com>
References: <479514.45603.qm@web110309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<p06240842c6fb71f2fdbf@[10.0.1.192]>
	<7BA078F7-52F1-4829-8F50-39B82D449EA8@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p06240844c6fb7c997cc8@[10.0.1.192]>

>I thought  Anastasia offered to take over the website. Am I missing something?



>>>
>>>-Angela

is Anastasia....
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From hfwelch at mac.com  Wed Oct 14 08:02:42 2009
From: hfwelch at mac.com (Holly Welch)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:02:42 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] on the website
In-Reply-To: <p06240844c6fb7c997cc8@[10.0.1.192]>
References: <479514.45603.qm@web110309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<p06240842c6fb71f2fdbf@[10.0.1.192]>
	<7BA078F7-52F1-4829-8F50-39B82D449EA8@mac.com>
	<p06240844c6fb7c997cc8@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <111DABB9-E17D-4727-B2CA-B47018A61AE7@mac.com>

Didn't she offer to take over the website?

On Oct 14, 2009, at 8:03 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

>> I thought  Anastasia offered to take over the website. Am I  
>> missing something?
>
>
>
>>>>
>>>> -Angela
>
> is Anastasia....
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs:
> http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography];
> http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination];
> http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].
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From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 14 11:25:25 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:25:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [DM-MUG] on the website
In-Reply-To: <p06240844c6fb7c997cc8@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <684035.42392.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Sorry if I confused anyone. I use an alias sometimes. I used to write for a couple different websites and serve as a monthly chat moderator for one, so the alias afforded me to keep personal online presence separate from my professional work--when readers searched for my name I was the first five search results. 

I indeed am willing to take over website duties, but wouldn't be able to for another month due to existing obligations. 

-Angela

--- On Wed, 10/14/09, Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com> wrote:

From: Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com>
Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] on the website
To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 8:03 AM

>I thought? Anastasia offered to take over the website. Am I missing something?



>>>
>>>-Angela is Anastasia....
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com? [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com? [civilrights/discrimination]; 
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Thu Oct 15 09:59:27 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:59:27 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] where in town can I get an FW400 to 800 cable??  today??
Message-ID: <p06240800c6fce9045ed8@[10.0.1.192]>


-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 15 11:29:04 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:29:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [DM-MUG] where in town can I get an FW400 to 800 cable?? today??
In-Reply-To: <p06240800c6fce9045ed8@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <833949.3191.qm@web110305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Try calling DIT computers in Urbandale... over by or across the street from Super Target off of I-80. I'm pretty sure they have it. Otherwise Apple store and Best Buy are likely to have it. Can't remember prices. CW might be able to recommend something too. I think someone had this question a couple months ago. Good luck!

?Angela

--- On Thu, 10/15/09, Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com> wrote:

From: Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com>
Subject: [DM-MUG] where in town can I get an FW400 to 800 cable??  today??
To: "MUG Des Moines" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 9:59 AM


-- 
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http://blog.JourneyZing.com? [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com? [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/? [personal].
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From alan.maupin at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 11:46:27 2009
From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:46:27 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] where in town can I get an FW400 to 800 cable?? today??
In-Reply-To: <p06240800c6fce9045ed8@[10.0.1.192]>
References: <p06240800c6fce9045ed8@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <8642BEA8-CA8C-4A4D-8025-72F327EFDA4E@gmail.com>

The only place I know that stocks them is the Apple store at Jordan  
Creek.  Good luck Ms. Herring.


On Oct 15, 2009, at 9:59 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

>
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs:
> http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography];
> http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination];
> http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].
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From alan.maupin at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 12:09:23 2009
From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:09:23 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] where in town can I get an FW400 to 800 cable?? today??
In-Reply-To: <833949.3191.qm@web110305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <833949.3191.qm@web110305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <56BA8F98-9FE7-4DCD-B2A8-DE3C2209962D@gmail.com>

AB, I inquired about the FW800/FW400 connector this spring.  It was  
nowhere to be found, off the self, in central Iowa.  I learned that I  
could daisy chain a FW400/FW800 external drive.   The drive was  
connected to my MacPro via FW800.  Iw as able to daisy chain my FW400  
video camera via the external drive using straight FW400 to FW400 and  
FW800 to FW800 cables.


On Oct 15, 2009, at 11:29 AM, AB wrote:

> Try calling DIT computers in Urbandale... over by or across the  
> street from Super Target off of I-80. I'm pretty sure they have it.  
> Otherwise Apple store and Best Buy are likely to have it. Can't  
> remember prices. CW might be able to recommend something too. I  
> think someone had this question a couple months ago. Good luck!
>
> ?Angela
>
> --- On Thu, 10/15/09, Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com> wrote:
>
> From: Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com>
> Subject: [DM-MUG] where in town can I get an FW400 to 800 cable??  
> today??
> To: "MUG Des Moines" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 9:59 AM
>
>
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs:
> http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography];
> http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination];
> http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].
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From jon at mac-consultant.com  Thu Oct 15 12:11:05 2009
From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:11:05 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] where in town can I get an FW400 to 800 cable?? today??
In-Reply-To: <8642BEA8-CA8C-4A4D-8025-72F327EFDA4E@gmail.com>
References: <p06240800c6fce9045ed8@[10.0.1.192]>
	<8642BEA8-CA8C-4A4D-8025-72F327EFDA4E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A575FB2-30C6-4080-BFCF-4D001FF042E7@mac-consultant.com>

Just so everyone knows, I never recommend buying cables from _any_ big  
box. They are among the biggest profit centers for them.

I use cablesforless.com, where a 6' cable that Vicki is asking for is  
$10. My guess is that it is at least $30 at the Apple Store.

-- 
- Jon

On Oct 15, 2009, at 11:46 AM, Alan Maupin wrote:

> The only place I know that stocks them is the Apple store at Jordan
> Creek.  Good luck Ms. Herring.
>
>
> On Oct 15, 2009, at 9:59 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
>
>>
>> -- 
>> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs:
>> http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography];
>> http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination];
>> http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].
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From newz at bearfruit.org  Thu Oct 15 12:49:32 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:49:32 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] where in town can I get an FW400 to 800 cable?? today??
In-Reply-To: <4A575FB2-30C6-4080-BFCF-4D001FF042E7@mac-consultant.com>
References: <p06240800c6fce9045ed8@10.0.1.192>
	<8642BEA8-CA8C-4A4D-8025-72F327EFDA4E@gmail.com>
	<4A575FB2-30C6-4080-BFCF-4D001FF042E7@mac-consultant.com>
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080910151049g789f76e8tc35786172e45a5fe@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Jon Thompson <jon at mac-consultant.com> wrote:
> Just so everyone knows, I never recommend buying cables from _any_ big
> box. They are among the biggest profit centers for them.
>

Right. And we wouldn't want our favourite stores to profit. That would
be horrible!

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter

From alan.maupin at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 13:19:44 2009
From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:19:44 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] where in town can I get an FW400 to 800 cable?? today??
In-Reply-To: <4A575FB2-30C6-4080-BFCF-4D001FF042E7@mac-consultant.com>
References: <p06240800c6fce9045ed8@[10.0.1.192]>
	<8642BEA8-CA8C-4A4D-8025-72F327EFDA4E@gmail.com>
	<4A575FB2-30C6-4080-BFCF-4D001FF042E7@mac-consultant.com>
Message-ID: <1B57F7C6-03CD-4541-BA20-43F76A0001AF@gmail.com>

I understand your concern about price, but the key word is "today",  
she needs it today.



On Oct 15, 2009, at 12:11 PM, Jon Thompson wrote:

> Just so everyone knows, I never recommend buying cables from _any_ big
> box. They are among the biggest profit centers for them.
>
> I use cablesforless.com, where a 6' cable that Vicki is asking for is
> $10. My guess is that it is at least $30 at the Apple Store.
>
> -- 
> - Jon
>
> On Oct 15, 2009, at 11:46 AM, Alan Maupin wrote:
>
>> The only place I know that stocks them is the Apple store at Jordan
>> Creek.  Good luck Ms. Herring.
>>
>>
>> On Oct 15, 2009, at 9:59 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs:
>>> http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography];
>>> http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination];
>>> http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].
>>> _______________________________________________
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From jon at mac-consultant.com  Thu Oct 15 13:55:53 2009
From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:55:53 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] where in town can I get an FW400 to 800 cable?? today??
In-Reply-To: <1B57F7C6-03CD-4541-BA20-43F76A0001AF@gmail.com>
References: <p06240800c6fce9045ed8@[10.0.1.192]>
	<8642BEA8-CA8C-4A4D-8025-72F327EFDA4E@gmail.com>
	<4A575FB2-30C6-4080-BFCF-4D001FF042E7@mac-consultant.com>
	<1B57F7C6-03CD-4541-BA20-43F76A0001AF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C71520AA-E018-4C33-917C-D93390888AE3@mac-consultant.com>

Actually, I offered a solution to that off list. I was just posting  
the portion that would be useful for others.

For those that would rather purchase from the Apple Store, Best Buy,  
Staples, etc... go right ahead. I'm just suggesting a solution that is  
much less expensive. When I worked at CompUSA (over ten years ago), we  
would get cost on the printer cables... A $30 cable was $3. It's just  
that simple. Cables pay the bills. I certainly understand supporting  
small local businesses, but also see a reasonable balance that needs  
to be made. When there is a 900% markup on an item, it's time to look  
elsewhere.

-- 
- Jon
On Oct 15, 2009, at 1:19 PM, Alan Maupin wrote:

> I understand your concern about price, but the key word is "today",
> she needs it today.
>
>
>
> On Oct 15, 2009, at 12:11 PM, Jon Thompson wrote:
>
>> Just so everyone knows, I never recommend buying cables from _any_  
>> big
>> box. They are among the biggest profit centers for them.
>>
>> I use cablesforless.com, where a 6' cable that Vicki is asking for is
>> $10. My guess is that it is at least $30 at the Apple Store.
>>
>> -- 
>> - Jon
>>
>> On Oct 15, 2009, at 11:46 AM, Alan Maupin wrote:
>>
>>> The only place I know that stocks them is the Apple store at Jordan
>>> Creek.  Good luck Ms. Herring.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 15, 2009, at 9:59 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs:
>>>> http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography];
>>>> http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination];
>>>> http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> DMMUG mailing list
>>>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
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From newz at bearfruit.org  Thu Oct 15 14:17:19 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:17:19 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] where in town can I get an FW400 to 800 cable?? today??
In-Reply-To: <C71520AA-E018-4C33-917C-D93390888AE3@mac-consultant.com>
References: <p06240800c6fce9045ed8@10.0.1.192>
	<8642BEA8-CA8C-4A4D-8025-72F327EFDA4E@gmail.com>
	<4A575FB2-30C6-4080-BFCF-4D001FF042E7@mac-consultant.com>
	<1B57F7C6-03CD-4541-BA20-43F76A0001AF@gmail.com>
	<C71520AA-E018-4C33-917C-D93390888AE3@mac-consultant.com>
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080910151217k29972a6bkfbb927db7d459bce@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Jon Thompson <jon at mac-consultant.com> wrote:
> Actually, I offered a solution to that off list. I was just posting
> the portion that would be useful for others.
>
> For those that would rather purchase from the Apple Store, Best Buy,
> Staples, etc... go right ahead. I'm just suggesting a solution that is
> much less expensive. When I worked at CompUSA (over ten years ago), we
> would get cost on the printer cables... A $30 cable was $3. It's just
> that simple. Cables pay the bills. I certainly understand supporting
> small local businesses, but also see a reasonable balance that needs
> to be made. When there is a 900% markup on an item, it's time to look
> elsewhere.
>

I know what you I mean, worked at best buy myself about 10 years ago
and saw the same thing. However I really miss having a compusa
locally. I enjoy going to best buy to look at monitors and things to
buy. If they don't make money somewhere then they'll close too.

My reply was a bit more confrontational sounding than I meant it to
be, please forgive me. My intent was to say that "because they profit
from it" isn't really a good reason not to buy it. If you have the
time to shop around it's certainly the wise thing to do.

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter

From homeonthefarm at ymail.com  Thu Oct 15 15:22:28 2009
From: homeonthefarm at ymail.com (Sharalyn Pliler)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:22:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [DM-MUG] backups
In-Reply-To: <mailman.24.1255461939.2048.dmmug@dmmug.org>
References: <mailman.24.1255461939.2048.dmmug@dmmug.org>
Message-ID: <928273.7251.qm@web56006.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Regarding backups, a year ago I lost a lot of data (including about a third of book I had written) because there was so much corruption on the hard drive, something was so messed up that apple ended up replacing my computer. I have no idea what caused it,  but this corruption was also in the time machine backups so the external hard drive had to be ERASED, and included data on three flash drives. So the  point is, I agree that there can never be enough back-ups.

You may find this humorous...or not...but if there isn't any other explanation for the weird stuff that happens with computers, it is said that one symptom of having been abducted by space aliens is that electronics act strangely around them.


      
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Thu Oct 15 15:39:16 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:39:16 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] backups
In-Reply-To: <928273.7251.qm@web56006.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.24.1255461939.2048.dmmug@dmmug.org>
	<928273.7251.qm@web56006.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p06240804c6fd38e8180e@[10.0.1.192]>

>You may find this humorous...or not...but if there isn't any other 
>explanation for the weird stuff that happens with computers, it is 
>said that one symptom of having been abducted by space aliens is 
>that electronics act strangely around them.

That is great!
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 15 16:09:33 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:09:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [DM-MUG] Computer Cable Prices and Retailers
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4080910151217k29972a6bkfbb927db7d459bce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <409380.9712.qm@web110307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Any national retail place is going to mark up their cables. There's mark up in everything because the economic model we have is based on capitalism. Retailers loose money on sale items and promotional events. Selling the extras is how they profit and continue to generate revenue to attract new customer base not to mention keep the loyal ones happy. Some companies let the employees in on how the margin and product pricing structure works, and other places like Wal-Mart run a tight ship so few have a clear idea of what the products' true value is vs what it's being sold at. The local stores may price cables cheaper, but not always. DIT computers is not much less as far as cables and accessories go. Online will always be the cheapest for cables and accessories. 

It was depressing to close the CompUSA store that was by Kohl's in 2008. I
worked there 2.5 years before the company was liquidated. Even though the name
is still around, it was swallowed last minute by Tiger Direct. Tiger
Direct only bought and revamped the locations in TX, FL and a couple other
southern, Mexico border states which were the first few CompUSA Carlos Slim launched. 

--- On Thu, 10/15/09, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:

From: Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org>
Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] where in town can I get an FW400 to 800 cable?? today??
To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 2:17 PM

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Jon Thompson <jon at mac-consultant.com> wrote:
> Actually, I offered a solution to that off list. I was just posting
> the portion that would be useful for others.
>
> For those that would rather purchase from the Apple Store, Best Buy,
> Staples, etc... go right ahead. I'm just suggesting a solution that is
> much less expensive. When I worked at CompUSA (over ten years ago), we
> would get cost on the printer cables... A $30 cable was $3. It's just
> that simple. Cables pay the bills. I certainly understand supporting
> small local businesses, but also see a reasonable balance that needs
> to be made. When there is a 900% markup on an item, it's time to look
> elsewhere.
>

I know what you I mean, worked at best buy myself about 10 years ago
and saw the same thing. However I really miss having a compusa
locally. I enjoy going to best buy to look at monitors and things to
buy. If they don't make money somewhere then they'll close too.

My reply was a bit more confrontational sounding than I meant it to
be, please forgive me. My intent was to say that "because they profit
from it" isn't really a good reason not to buy it. If you have the
time to shop around it's certainly the wise thing to do.

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
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From bsmith at totacc.com  Thu Oct 15 16:07:11 2009
From: bsmith at totacc.com (Bill Smith)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:07:11 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] backups
In-Reply-To: <928273.7251.qm@web56006.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.24.1255461939.2048.dmmug@dmmug.org>
	<928273.7251.qm@web56006.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00e8b0f7d9448e698799faee0829397e@totacc.com>

Aliens? No, it's the inherent danger of using 100% recycled electrons. 
--Smith

On Oct 15, 2009, at 2:22 PM, Sharalyn Pliler wrote:

> Regarding backups, a year ago I lost a lot of data (including about a 
> third of book I had written) because there was so much corruption on 
> the hard drive, something was so messed up that apple ended up 
> replacing my computer. I have no idea what caused it, ?but this 
> corruption was also in the time machine backups so the external hard 
> drive had to be ERASED, and included data on three flash drives. So 
> the ?point is, I agree that there can never be enough back-ups.
>
> You may find this humorous...or not...but if there isn't any other 
> explanation for the weird stuff that happens with computers, it is 
> said that one symptom of having been abducted by space aliens is that 
> electronics act strangely around them.
>
> _______________________________________________
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From studias at msn.com  Thu Oct 15 16:45:45 2009
From: studias at msn.com (Geoffrey Stevens)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:45:45 -0700
Subject: [DM-MUG] Computer Cable Prices and Retailers
In-Reply-To: <409380.9712.qm@web110307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <f3c0b4080910151217k29972a6bkfbb927db7d459bce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL121-W52C78BE7FC99766E1A119BA8C50@phx.gbl>


It's sad we have to depend on the marketplace for something so basic as a cable. If it is $30. than it is $30. I agree with Matt it is fun to go to BestBuy and even more fun going to the AppleStore?. That is the part of the pleasure of owning a fine instrument such as a Mac. If you think of yourself as an Artist - it is just part of the cost of your tools.

Why not make the cable yourself? It might take two weeks and $4. but Victoria needs one today and I believe she wont balk at the costs.

In the marketplace one has three choices: 1)Quality {Apple Mac} 2)Price and 3) Service {right now ... today.

Peace from Arizona where it is 100? today, still.

Geoff

Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:09:33 -0700
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com
To: dmmug at dmmug.org
Subject: [DM-MUG] Computer Cable Prices and Retailers

Any national retail place is going to mark up their cables. There's mark up in everything because the economic model we have is based on capitalism. Retailers loose money on sale items and promotional events. Selling the extras is how they profit and continue to generate revenue to attract new customer base not to mention keep the loyal ones happy. Some companies let the employees in on how the margin and product pricing structure works, and other places like Wal-Mart run a tight ship so few have a clear idea of what the products' true value is vs what it's being sold at. The local stores may price cables cheaper, but not always. DIT computers is not much less as far as cables and accessories go. Online will always be the cheapest for cables and accessories. 

It was depressing to close the CompUSA store that was by Kohl's in 2008. I
worked there 2.5 years before the company was liquidated. Even though the name
is still around, it was swallowed last minute by Tiger Direct. Tiger
Direct only bought and revamped the locations in TX, FL and a couple other
southern, Mexico border states which were the first few CompUSA Carlos Slim launched. 

--- On Thu, 10/15/09, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:

From: Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org>
Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] where in town can I get an FW400 to 800 cable?? today??
To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 2:17 PM

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Jon Thompson <jon at mac-consultant.com> wrote:
> Actually, I offered a solution to that off list. I was just posting
> the portion that would be useful for others.
>
> For those that would rather purchase from the Apple Store, Best Buy,
> Staples, etc... go right ahead. I'm just suggesting a solution that is
> much less expensive. When I worked at
 CompUSA (over ten years ago), we
> would get cost on the printer cables... A $30 cable was $3. It's just
> that simple. Cables pay the bills. I certainly understand supporting
> small local businesses, but also see a reasonable balance that needs
> to be made. When there is a 900% markup on an item, it's time to look
> elsewhere.
>

I know what you I mean, worked at best buy myself about 10 years ago
and saw the same thing. However I really miss having a compusa
locally. I enjoy going to best buy to look at monitors and things to
buy. If they don't make money somewhere then they'll close too.

My reply was a bit more confrontational sounding than I meant it to
be, please forgive me. My intent was to say that "because they profit
from it" isn't really a good reason not to buy it. If you have the
time to shop around it's certainly the wise thing to do.

-- 
Matthew
 Nuzum
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From jrgeerdes at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 16:47:34 2009
From: jrgeerdes at gmail.com (Jeremy Geerdes)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:47:34 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Computer Cable Prices and Retailers
In-Reply-To: <COL121-W52C78BE7FC99766E1A119BA8C50@phx.gbl>
References: <f3c0b4080910151217k29972a6bkfbb927db7d459bce@mail.gmail.com>
	<COL121-W52C78BE7FC99766E1A119BA8C50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1C0159C1-DDB3-44FD-AC84-CF269B78FA4B@gmail.com>

Cruel weather note, man. Just plain cruel.

Jeremy R. Geerdes
Effective website design & development
Des Moines, IA

For more information or a project quote:
http://jgeerdes.home.mchsi.com
http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com
http://jgeerdes.wordpress.com
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Unless otherwise noted, any price quotes contained within this  
communication are given in US dollars.

If you're in the Des Moines, IA, area, check out Debra Heights  
Wesleyan Church!

And check out my blog, Adventures in Web Development, at http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com 
  !


On Oct 15, 2009, at 4:45 PM, Geoffrey Stevens wrote:

> It's sad we have to depend on the marketplace for something so basic  
> as a cable. If it is $30. than it is $30. I agree with Matt it is  
> fun to go to BestBuy and even more fun going to the AppleStore?.  
> That is the part of the pleasure of owning a fine instrument such as  
> a Mac. If you think of yourself as an Artist - it is just part of  
> the cost of your tools.
>
> Why not make the cable yourself? It might take two weeks and $4. but  
> Victoria needs one today and I believe she wont balk at the costs.
>
> In the marketplace one has three choices: 1)Quality {Apple Mac}  
> 2)Price and 3) Service {right now ... today.
>
> Peace from Arizona where it is 100? today, still.
>
> Geoff
>
> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:09:33 -0700
> From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com
> To: dmmug at dmmug.org
> Subject: [DM-MUG] Computer Cable Prices and Retailers
>
> Any national retail place is going to mark up their cables. There's  
> mark up in everything because the economic model we have is based on  
> capitalism. Retailers loose money on sale items and promotional  
> events. Selling the extras is how they profit and continue to  
> generate revenue to attract new customer base not to mention keep  
> the loyal ones happy. Some companies let the employees in on how the  
> margin and product pricing structure works, and other places like  
> Wal-Mart run a tight ship so few have a clear idea of what the  
> products' true value is vs what it's being sold at. The local stores  
> may price cables cheaper, but not always. DIT computers is not much  
> less as far as cables and accessories go. Online will always be the  
> cheapest for cables and accessories.
>
> It was depressing to close the CompUSA store that was by Kohl's in  
> 2008. I worked there 2.5 years before the company was liquidated.  
> Even though the name is still around, it was swallowed last minute  
> by Tiger Direct. Tiger Direct only bought and revamped the locations  
> in TX, FL and a couple other southern, Mexico border states which  
> were the first few CompUSA Carlos Slim launched.
>
> --- On Thu, 10/15/09, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:
>
> From: Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org>
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] where in town can I get an FW400 to 800  
> cable?? today??
> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 2:17 PM
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Jon Thompson <jon at mac- 
> consultant.com> wrote:
> > Actually, I offered a solution to that off list. I was just posting
> > the portion that would be useful for others.
> >
> > For those that would rather purchase from the Apple Store, Best Buy,
> > Staples, etc... go right ahead. I'm just suggesting a solution  
> that is
> > much less expensive. When I worked at CompUSA (over ten years  
> ago), we
> > would get cost on the printer cables... A $30 cable was $3. It's  
> just
> > that simple. Cables pay the bills. I certainly understand supporting
> > small local businesses, but also see a reasonable balance that needs
> > to be made. When there is a 900% markup on an item, it's time to  
> look
> > elsewhere.
> >
>
> I know what you I mean, worked at best buy myself about 10 years ago
> and saw the same thing. However I really miss having a compusa
> locally. I enjoy going to best buy to look at monitors and things to
> buy. If they don't make money somewhere then they'll close too.
>
> My reply was a bit more confrontational sounding than I meant it to
> be, please forgive me. My intent was to say that "because they profit
> from it" isn't really a good reason not to buy it. If you have the
> time to shop around it's certainly the wise thing to do.
>
> -- 
> Matthew Nuzum
> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
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From denny at swiowa.com  Thu Oct 15 17:39:31 2009
From: denny at swiowa.com (Dennis LaMasters)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:39:31 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] where in town can I get an FW400 to 800 cable?? today??
In-Reply-To: <833949.3191.qm@web110305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C6FD0ED3.E4B6A%denny@swiowa.com>

BuiltNetworks sells them at http://www.builtnetworks.com/products05.html in
Creston, IA

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From: AB <anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com>
Reply-To: Des Moines Mac Users Group <dmmug at dmmug.org>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:29:04 -0700 (PDT)
To: Des Moines Mac Users Group <dmmug at dmmug.org>
Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] where in town can I get an FW400 to 800 cable??
today??

Try calling DIT computers in Urbandale... over by or across the street from
Super Target off of I-80. I'm pretty sure they have it. Otherwise Apple
store and Best Buy are likely to have it. Can't remember prices. CW might be
able to recommend something too. I think someone had this question a couple
months ago. Good luck!

?Angela

--- On Thu, 10/15/09, Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com> wrote:
> 
From: Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com>
Subject: [DM-MUG] where in town can I get an FW400 to 800 cable??  today??
To: "MUG Des Moines" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 9:59 AM


-- 
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Mon Oct 19 17:52:34 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:52:34 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] where in town can I get an FW400 to 800 cable?? today??
In-Reply-To: <C6FD0ED3.E4B6A%denny@swiowa.com>
References: <C6FD0ED3.E4B6A%denny@swiowa.com>
Message-ID: <p06240845c7029e12cd12@[10.0.1.192]>

I finally ended up ordering - actually two - if anyone wants one you 
can buy it at the cost of it.  Email me off list.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
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From victoria at journeyzing.com  Mon Oct 19 17:55:16 2009
From: victoria at journeyzing.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:55:16 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Apple User Group Bulletin Sept 09
Message-ID: <p06240842c7029cf389e7@[10.0.1.192]>

>
>    1. Apple User Group Bulletin - September 21, 2009
>       (Apple User Group Relations)
>
>
>COMMUNITY NEWS - MEMBERS
>2] - Final Cut Pro User Group Network: Issue 3 of "SuperMag"
>........................
>
>In conjunction with September's Second Annual Amsterdam FCPUG
>SuperMeet, the Final Cut Pro User Group Network (FCPUG Network) has
>released issue three of "SuperMag," a free download consisting of over
>170 pages of tutorials, tips, techniques and feature articles for
>today's digital filmmakers.
>
>Download and learn.
>http://fcpugnetwork.org/supermag/2009/index.html
>
>
>5] - O'Reilly: Community Webcasts
>........................
>
>O'Reilly, always a strong supporter of user groups, has recently
>announced webcasts that provide the community with opportunities for
>audience information and participation. These webcasts typically
>attract a global audience--it's not unusual to see participants from
>thirty countries or more. Past webcast subjects have included the Best
>iPhone Apps, Snow Leopard and more. The September 24 edition covers
>security in cloud computing.
>
>Download the archived Best iPhone Apps webcast.
>http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596804275/
>
>Sign up for free sessions.
>http://oreilly.com/webcasts/
>
>
>For public information about vendor offers and more visit:
>http://web.me.com/ugab/offers.html
>

-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Mon Oct 19 20:00:30 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:00:30 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Parallels
Message-ID: <p06240853c702bb9db99f@[10.0.1.192]>

I need someone who might be a user of Parallels or interested in 
becoming one to contact me for some info from the company to share 
with them.  Thanks.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From kisley at gmail.com  Mon Oct 19 23:07:16 2009
From: kisley at gmail.com (Keith Isley)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:07:16 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Parallels
In-Reply-To: <p06240853c702bb9db99f@10.0.1.192>
References: <p06240853c702bb9db99f@10.0.1.192>
Message-ID: <5b440b5c0910192107k4ac42fedo287c65eca86a6263@mail.gmail.com>

Victoria -
My wife is using Parallels; I set it up for her and am fairly knowledgeable
about how it works.

KAI

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Victoria L. Herring <VLH at herringlaw.com>wrote:

> I need someone who might be a user of Parallels or interested in
> becoming one to contact me for some info from the company to share
> with them.  Thanks.
> --
> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs:
> http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography];
> http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination];
> http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Tue Oct 20 13:51:27 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:51:27 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] problems with MacBook Pro [small one] in Chile
Message-ID: <p06240809c703b6d520ff@[10.0.1.192]>

Our daughter has a 12/13" MBP and is in Chile in a tiny town.  She 
just called [Skype] and says that the machine is running really slow, 
takes a minute to open up applications and it beeps at her.  She is 
running Tiger still.  She is also moving off the computer everything 
she wants to save.

Any thoughts on what is going on or what she can do?
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From cwsmith7 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 15:33:47 2009
From: cwsmith7 at gmail.com (CW Smith)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:33:47 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] problems with MacBook Pro [small one] in Chile
In-Reply-To: <p06240809c703b6d520ff@[10.0.1.192]>
References: <p06240809c703b6d520ff@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <4AB08073-E1B9-432F-BE32-8CBD5B5D45F6@gmail.com>

That might be the hard drive beeping at her, indicating a pending  
failure. She should check for Software Updates (there might be a  
firmware update for the drive), and/or get it to a tech immediately.

I realize rural Chile is quite a distance from Cupertino, but there  
must be something within at least a reasonable distance?

Peace,
CW

---------------------------------------------------------

CW Smith
Windows & Macintosh service and repair
Apple Certified Macintosh Technician

Phone: (515) 577-1716
cwsmith7 at gmail.com

"Guitar, bass, percussion, Macintosh"
www.cwsmith.fm

---------------------------------------------------------





On Oct 20, 2009, at 1:51 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> Our daughter has a 12/13" MBP and is in Chile in a tiny town.  She
> just called [Skype] and says that the machine is running really slow,
> takes a minute to open up applications and it beeps at her.  She is
> running Tiger still.  She is also moving off the computer everything
> she wants to save.
>
> Any thoughts on what is going on or what she can do?
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs:
> http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography];
> http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination];
> http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Tue Oct 20 16:40:58 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:40:58 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] problems with MacBook Pro [small one] in Chile
In-Reply-To: <4AB08073-E1B9-432F-BE32-8CBD5B5D45F6@gmail.com>
References: <p06240809c703b6d520ff@[10.0.1.192]>
	<4AB08073-E1B9-432F-BE32-8CBD5B5D45F6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06240817c703de776ace@[10.0.1.192]>

>That might be the hard drive beeping at her, indicating a pending 
>failure. She should check for Software Updates (there might be a 
>firmware update for the drive), and/or get it to a tech immediately.
>
>I realize rural Chile is quite a distance from Cupertino, but there
>must be something within at least a reasonable distance?

well I thought it might be the harddrive and since she needs it for 
school and work, picked up a new 13" MBP [the new MacBooks are into 
the Apple Store right now! as are the other new things] - she'll need 
the power when she's in grad school = too bad she's not near 
Cupertino, but she's in a town of 1200 and it takes a day to get to 
any large city -- thanks!  I told her to get her stuff off the drive 
then shut it down and put it in a corner - it's sort of a backup that 
way and we can bring it home when we go visit her this christmas...
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 21 10:35:23 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:35:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [DM-MUG] problems with MacBook Pro [small one] in Chile
Message-ID: <810751.36372.qm@web110316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Apple Care will pay for shipping if she bought Applecare and it has not expired.if it beeps on start up with a ?mark it is a start up systems folder issue and she's lucky if it boots and should not shut it down untill she's sure she wants to and willing to accept it may not start up again. I'd call Apple. or to circumvent the $50 phone call tech support fee for non-applecare products, she could call an Apple Store and ask the Genius, then she'd have to find a certified and authorized Apple Technician to work on her laptop in Chile.

Sounds similar to the warning beeps I've had with harddrive or motherboard issues.

-AB

--- On Tue, 10/20/09, Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com> wrote:

From: Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com>
Subject: [DM-MUG] problems with MacBook Pro
 [small one] in Chile
To: "MUG Des Moines" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 1:51 PM

Our daughter has a 12/13" MBP and is in Chile in a tiny town.? She 
just called [Skype] and says that the machine is running really slow, 
takes a minute to open up applications and it beeps at her.? She is 
running Tiger still.? She is also moving off the computer everything 
she wants to save.

Any thoughts on what is going on or what she can do?
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com? [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com? [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/?
 [personal].
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From thiessenstuart at aol.com  Wed Oct 21 12:27:07 2009
From: thiessenstuart at aol.com (Stuart Thiessen)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:27:07 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] problems with MacBook Pro [small one] in Chile
In-Reply-To: <810751.36372.qm@web110316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <810751.36372.qm@web110316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <FE68D83D-FC41-4955-A041-AEE5FB1429ED@aol.com>

Just curious as a Deaf person, any visual notifications we can look  
for instead of the beep? :)

Thanks,

Stuart

On Oct 21, 2009, at 10:35 , AB wrote:

> Apple Care will pay for shipping if she bought Applecare and it has  
> not expired.if it beeps on start up with a ?mark it is a start up  
> systems folder issue and she's lucky if it boots and should not shut  
> it down untill she's sure she wants to and willing to accept it may  
> not start up again. I'd call Apple. or to circumvent the $50 phone  
> call tech support fee for non-applecare products, she could call an  
> Apple Store and ask the Genius, then she'd have to find a certified  
> and authorized Apple Technician to work on her laptop in Chile.
>
> Sounds similar to the warning beeps I've had with harddrive or  
> motherboard issues.
>
> -AB
>
> --- On Tue, 10/20/09, Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com> wrote:
>
> From: Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com>
> Subject: [DM-MUG] problems with MacBook Pro [small one] in Chile
> To: "MUG Des Moines" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 1:51 PM
>
> Our daughter has a 12/13" MBP and is in Chile in a tiny town.  She
> just called [Skype] and says that the machine is running really slow,
> takes a minute to open up applications and it beeps at her.  She is
> running Tiger still.  She is also moving off the computer everything
> she wants to save.
>
> Any thoughts on what is going on or what she can do?
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs:
> http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography];
> http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination];
> http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].
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From jon at mac-consultant.com  Wed Oct 21 12:42:15 2009
From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:42:15 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] problems with MacBook Pro [small one] in Chile
In-Reply-To: <FE68D83D-FC41-4955-A041-AEE5FB1429ED@aol.com>
References: <810751.36372.qm@web110316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<FE68D83D-FC41-4955-A041-AEE5FB1429ED@aol.com>
Message-ID: <EEB6C14D-770D-4F40-B64E-CAA077CF5355@mac-consultant.com>

If the beep is from the hard drive, then no. If it is a Mac OS X Beep,  
you can turn on the flash screen option in the Universal Access SysPref.

On Oct 21, 2009, at 12:27 PM, Stuart Thiessen wrote:

> Just curious as a Deaf person, any visual notifications we can look  
> for instead of the beep? :)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Stuart
>
> On Oct 21, 2009, at 10:35 , AB wrote:
>
>> Apple Care will pay for shipping if she bought Applecare and it has  
>> not expired.if it beeps on start up with a ?mark it is a start up  
>> systems folder issue and she's lucky if it boots and should not  
>> shut it down untill she's sure she wants to and willing to accept  
>> it may not start up again. I'd call Apple. or to circumvent the $50  
>> phone call tech support fee for non-applecare products, she could  
>> call an Apple Store and ask the Genius, then she'd have to find a  
>> certified and authorized Apple Technician to work on her laptop in  
>> Chile.
>>
>> Sounds similar to the warning beeps I've had with harddrive or  
>> motherboard issues.
>>
>> -AB
>>
>> --- On Tue, 10/20/09, Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com>
>> Subject: [DM-MUG] problems with MacBook Pro [small one] in Chile
>> To: "MUG Des Moines" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
>> Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 1:51 PM
>>
>> Our daughter has a 12/13" MBP and is in Chile in a tiny town.  She
>> just called [Skype] and says that the machine is running really slow,
>> takes a minute to open up applications and it beeps at her.  She is
>> running Tiger still.  She is also moving off the computer everything
>> she wants to save.
>>
>> Any thoughts on what is going on or what she can do?
>> -- 
>> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs:
>> http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography];
>> http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination];
>> http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
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From newz at bearfruit.org  Wed Oct 21 13:42:31 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:42:31 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] problems with MacBook Pro [small one] in Chile
In-Reply-To: <EEB6C14D-770D-4F40-B64E-CAA077CF5355@mac-consultant.com>
References: <810751.36372.qm@web110316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<FE68D83D-FC41-4955-A041-AEE5FB1429ED@aol.com>
	<EEB6C14D-770D-4F40-B64E-CAA077CF5355@mac-consultant.com>
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080910211142s3d3516fawc85130919c8a4732@mail.gmail.com>

I had a maxtor hard drive that gave an audible notification when it was
failing. I liked that feature a lot. Had the case been too well insulated or
I been unable to hear the beeps then the only way I'd know is if I (or the
computer automatically) used a SMART drive monitoring tool that gave me a
visual notification.

I had a server once with SMART monitoring built into the system bios. When I
rebooted it one time (purely coincidentally) it alerted me to the impending
failure before booting. It gave me a, "hard drive #1 is failing, press any
key to continue" type of error message.

The point is, there are monitoring tools based on SMART that will alert you
when the drive starts generating an abnormal number of errors, which is a
warning sign of impending failure. It may be that you have hours or minutes
left, or it may be that you have months left.

You have to run the tool over a long period of time though. It will gather
statistics at regular intervals from the drive (this takes only a split
second to do) and look at the statistics to identify abnormal behaviour. If
your drive is failing the SMART won't know if the number of errors it's
measuring are typical or atypical.

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Jon Thompson <jon at mac-consultant.com>wrote:

> If the beep is from the hard drive, then no. If it is a Mac OS X Beep, you
> can turn on the flash screen option in the Universal Access SysPref.
> On Oct 21, 2009, at 12:27 PM, Stuart Thiessen wrote:
>
> Just curious as a Deaf person, any visual notifications we can look for
> instead of the beep? :)
> Thanks,
>
> Stuart
>
> On Oct 21, 2009, at 10:35 , AB wrote:
>
> Apple Care will pay for shipping if she bought Applecare and it has not
> expired.if it beeps on start up with a ?mark it is a start up systems folder
> issue and she's lucky if it boots and should not shut it down untill she's
> sure she wants to and willing to accept it may not start up again. I'd call
> Apple. or to circumvent the $50 phone call tech support fee for
> non-applecare products, she could call an Apple Store and ask the Genius,
> then she'd have to find a certified and authorized Apple Technician to work
> on her laptop in Chile.
>
> Sounds similar to the warning beeps I've had with harddrive or motherboard
> issues.
>
> -AB
>
> --- On *Tue, 10/20/09, Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com>
> Subject: [DM-MUG] problems with MacBook Pro [small one] in Chile
> To: "MUG Des Moines" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 1:51 PM
>
> Our daughter has a 12/13" MBP and is in Chile in a tiny town.  She
> just called [Skype] and says that the machine is running really slow,
> takes a minute to open up applications and it beeps at her.  She is
> running Tiger still.  She is also moving off the computer everything
> she wants to save.
>
> Any thoughts on what is going on or what she can do?
> --
> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs:
> http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography];
> http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination];
> http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].
> _______________________________________________
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From victoria at journeyzing.com  Wed Oct 21 14:06:00 2009
From: victoria at journeyzing.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:06:00 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] User Group Bulletin
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-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Wed Oct 21 15:05:50 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:05:50 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] timers?
Message-ID: <p06240804c70519e88f31@[10.0.1.192]>

any free good timers out there that keep track of time either 
sequentially or one by one...I have a time billing software but want 
a little timer to run on the desktop and keep track of various things 
I do in general.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From hfwelch at mac.com  Wed Oct 21 21:20:30 2009
From: hfwelch at mac.com (Holly Welch)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:20:30 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Help downloading
Message-ID: <9357F33F-CB38-4C40-BEF0-FD291845193A@mac.com>

I've been trying to download an ordering software from my photo lab,  
and every time I try to launch it, I get this message. Can someone  
tell me what I'm doing wrong? I can do it on my laptop, but not my  
iMac. Thanks!
Holly


<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<jnlp
	spec="1.0+"
	codebase="http://www.softworksroes.com/ROES/"
	href="labs/ACIArt/launch.jnlp">
	<information>
		<title>Studio Art Suite</title>
		<vendor>American Color Imaging</vendor>
		<homepage href="labs/ACIArt/index.html"/>
		<description>Studio Art Suite</description>
		<description kind="short">Studio Art Suite</description>
		<description kind="one-line">Studio Art Suite</description>
		<description kind="tooltip">Studio Art Suite</description>
		<icon href="http://www.softworksroes.com/ROES/labs/ACIArt/studioartsuiteicon.gif 
"/>
		<offline-allowed/>
		<shortcut>
			<desktop/>
			<menu/>
		</shortcut>
	</information>
	<security>
		<all-permissions/>
	</security>
	<resources>
		<j2se version="1.5+" max-heap-size="512M"/>
		
		<jar href="Client/ROESClient.jar" main="true"/>
		<jar href="Client/ROESClientFeatures.jar"/>
		<jar href="Client/ROESrsrcs.jar"/>
		<jar href="Client/libs.jar"/>

		<jar href="Client/ProLabs.jar"/>
		<jar href="Client/ACI.jar"/>
		<jar href="Client/ACIrsrcs.jar"/>
		<jar href="Client/ACIrsrcs2.jar"/>
		
		<jar href="libs/ProLabsSOAP.jar"/>
		<jar href="libs/activation.jar"/>
		<jar href="libs/mailapi.jar"/>
		<jar href="libs/axis.jar"/>
		<jar href="libs/axis-ant.jar"/>
		<jar href="libs/commons-discovery-0.2.jar"/>
		<jar href="libs/commons-logging-1.0.4.jar"/>
		<jar href="libs/jaxrpc.jar"/>
		<jar href="libs/log4j-1.2.8.jar"/>
		<jar href="libs/saaj.jar"/>
		<jar href="libs/wsdl4j-1.5.1.jar"/>
		
		
		<property name="com.apple.hwaccel" value="false"/>
	</resources>
	<application-desc main-class="com.softworks.roes.app.ROESApp">
		<argument>ACIArt</argument>
	</application-desc>
</jnlp>

From bcarlso at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 21:25:55 2009
From: bcarlso at gmail.com (Brandon Carlson)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:25:55 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Help downloading
In-Reply-To: <9357F33F-CB38-4C40-BEF0-FD291845193A@mac.com>
References: <9357F33F-CB38-4C40-BEF0-FD291845193A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <19cb0cc70910211925qb779349gc673038f5b68b4cc@mail.gmail.com>

Looks to me like the Java plugin for Safari isn't configured properly
(don't ask me how to fix it :-D). You could try updating Java or
switching to Firefox/other browser and see if it works there.

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Holly Welch <hfwelch at mac.com> wrote:
> I've been trying to download an ordering software from my photo lab,
> and every time I try to launch it, I get this message. Can someone
> tell me what I'm doing wrong? I can do it on my laptop, but not my
> iMac. Thanks!
> Holly
>
>
> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
> <jnlp
> ? ? ? ?spec="1.0+"
> ? ? ? ?codebase="http://www.softworksroes.com/ROES/"
> ? ? ? ?href="labs/ACIArt/launch.jnlp">
> ? ? ? ?<information>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<title>Studio Art Suite</title>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<vendor>American Color Imaging</vendor>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<homepage href="labs/ACIArt/index.html"/>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<description>Studio Art Suite</description>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<description kind="short">Studio Art Suite</description>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<description kind="one-line">Studio Art Suite</description>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<description kind="tooltip">Studio Art Suite</description>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<icon href="http://www.softworksroes.com/ROES/labs/ACIArt/studioartsuiteicon.gif
> "/>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<offline-allowed/>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<shortcut>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<desktop/>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<menu/>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?</shortcut>
> ? ? ? ?</information>
> ? ? ? ?<security>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<all-permissions/>
> ? ? ? ?</security>
> ? ? ? ?<resources>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<j2se version="1.5+" max-heap-size="512M"/>
>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<jar href="Client/ROESClient.jar" main="true"/>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<jar href="Client/ROESClientFeatures.jar"/>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<jar href="Client/ROESrsrcs.jar"/>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<jar href="Client/libs.jar"/>
>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<jar href="Client/ProLabs.jar"/>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<jar href="Client/ACI.jar"/>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<jar href="Client/ACIrsrcs.jar"/>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<jar href="Client/ACIrsrcs2.jar"/>
>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<jar href="libs/ProLabsSOAP.jar"/>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<jar href="libs/activation.jar"/>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<jar href="libs/mailapi.jar"/>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<jar href="libs/axis.jar"/>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<jar href="libs/axis-ant.jar"/>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<jar href="libs/commons-discovery-0.2.jar"/>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<jar href="libs/commons-logging-1.0.4.jar"/>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<jar href="libs/jaxrpc.jar"/>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<jar href="libs/log4j-1.2.8.jar"/>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<jar href="libs/saaj.jar"/>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<jar href="libs/wsdl4j-1.5.1.jar"/>
>
>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<property name="com.apple.hwaccel" value="false"/>
> ? ? ? ?</resources>
> ? ? ? ?<application-desc main-class="com.softworks.roes.app.ROESApp">
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<argument>ACIArt</argument>
> ? ? ? ?</application-desc>
> </jnlp>
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From cwsmith7 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 21:29:17 2009
From: cwsmith7 at gmail.com (CW Smith)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:29:17 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Help downloading
In-Reply-To: <9357F33F-CB38-4C40-BEF0-FD291845193A@mac.com>
References: <9357F33F-CB38-4C40-BEF0-FD291845193A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <91B5EBDF-2B0A-4885-B65F-AA04CCAD2FBF@gmail.com>

Copy the successful DL'ded file from the laptop to a flash drive, then  
put it on the iMac from there?

What program are you downloading? What model iMac and laptop are you  
using? What OSes?

What else might be different between the two machines? Not much to go  
on here.

Peace,
CW

---------------------------------------------------------

CW Smith
Windows & Macintosh service and repair
Apple Certified Macintosh Technician

Phone: (515) 577-1716
cwsmith7 at gmail.com

"Guitar, bass, percussion, Macintosh"
www.cwsmith.fm

---------------------------------------------------------





On Oct 21, 2009, at 9:20 PM, Holly Welch wrote:

> I've been trying to download an ordering software from my photo lab,
> and every time I try to launch it, I get this message. Can someone
> tell me what I'm doing wrong? I can do it on my laptop, but not my
> iMac. Thanks!
> Holly
>
>
> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
> <jnlp
> 	spec="1.0+"
> 	codebase="http://www.softworksroes.com/ROES/"
> 	href="labs/ACIArt/launch.jnlp">
> 	<information>
> 		<title>Studio Art Suite</title>
> 		<vendor>American Color Imaging</vendor>
> 		<homepage href="labs/ACIArt/index.html"/>
> 		<description>Studio Art Suite</description>
> 		<description kind="short">Studio Art Suite</description>
> 		<description kind="one-line">Studio Art Suite</description>
> 		<description kind="tooltip">Studio Art Suite</description>
> 		<icon href="http://www.softworksroes.com/ROES/labs/ACIArt/studioartsuiteicon.gif
> "/>
> 		<offline-allowed/>
> 		<shortcut>
> 			<desktop/>
> 			<menu/>
> 		</shortcut>
> 	</information>
> 	<security>
> 		<all-permissions/>
> 	</security>
> 	<resources>
> 		<j2se version="1.5+" max-heap-size="512M"/>
> 		
> 		<jar href="Client/ROESClient.jar" main="true"/>
> 		<jar href="Client/ROESClientFeatures.jar"/>
> 		<jar href="Client/ROESrsrcs.jar"/>
> 		<jar href="Client/libs.jar"/>
>
> 		<jar href="Client/ProLabs.jar"/>
> 		<jar href="Client/ACI.jar"/>
> 		<jar href="Client/ACIrsrcs.jar"/>
> 		<jar href="Client/ACIrsrcs2.jar"/>
> 		
> 		<jar href="libs/ProLabsSOAP.jar"/>
> 		<jar href="libs/activation.jar"/>
> 		<jar href="libs/mailapi.jar"/>
> 		<jar href="libs/axis.jar"/>
> 		<jar href="libs/axis-ant.jar"/>
> 		<jar href="libs/commons-discovery-0.2.jar"/>
> 		<jar href="libs/commons-logging-1.0.4.jar"/>
> 		<jar href="libs/jaxrpc.jar"/>
> 		<jar href="libs/log4j-1.2.8.jar"/>
> 		<jar href="libs/saaj.jar"/>
> 		<jar href="libs/wsdl4j-1.5.1.jar"/>
> 		
> 		
> 		<property name="com.apple.hwaccel" value="false"/>
> 	</resources>
> 	<application-desc main-class="com.softworks.roes.app.ROESApp">
> 		<argument>ACIArt</argument>
> 	</application-desc>
> </jnlp>
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From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 22 11:25:14 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 09:25:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [DM-MUG] problems with MacBook Pro [small one] in Chile
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4080910211142s3d3516fawc85130919c8a4732@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <923968.68255.qm@web110302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

When the motherboard is failing, there's a beep from the mac internal speakers. The obscure message is in at least 5 different languages but it doesn't say "motherboard is failing" so I took it to a certified Apple Tech and found out. He was able to take out the drive. I converted it to an external drive. then it failed 7 months later.? 

Good to know about the SMART monitoring tools. 

-AB

--- On Wed, 10/21/09, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:

From: Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org>
Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] problems with MacBook Pro [small one] in Chile
To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 1:42 PM

I had a maxtor hard drive that gave an audible notification when it was failing. I liked that feature a lot. Had the case been too well insulated or I been unable to hear the beeps then the only way I'd know is if I (or the computer automatically) used a SMART drive monitoring tool that gave me a visual notification.


I had a server once with SMART monitoring built into the system bios. When I rebooted it one time (purely coincidentally) it alerted me to the impending failure before booting. It gave me a, "hard drive #1 is failing, press any key to continue" type of error message.


The point is, there are monitoring tools based on SMART that will alert you when the drive starts generating an abnormal number of errors, which is a warning sign of impending failure. It may be that you have hours or minutes left, or it may be that you have months left.


You have to run the tool over a long period of time though. It will gather statistics at regular intervals from the drive (this takes only a split second to do) and look at the statistics to identify abnormal behaviour. If your drive is failing the SMART won't know if the number of errors it's measuring are typical or atypical.


On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Jon Thompson <jon at mac-consultant.com> wrote:

If the beep is from the hard drive, then no. If it is a Mac OS X Beep, you can turn on the flash screen option in the Universal Access SysPref.

On Oct 21, 2009, at 12:27 PM, Stuart Thiessen wrote:
Just curious as a Deaf person, any visual notifications we can look for instead of the beep? :)

Thanks,
Stuart
On Oct 21, 2009, at 10:35 , AB wrote:

Apple Care will pay for shipping if she bought Applecare and it has not expired.if it beeps on start up with a ?mark it is a start up systems folder issue and she's lucky if it boots and should not shut it down untill she's sure she wants to and willing to accept it may not start up again. I'd call Apple. or to circumvent the $50 phone call tech support fee for non-applecare products, she could call an Apple Store and ask the Genius, then she'd have to find a certified and authorized Apple Technician to work on her laptop in Chile.


Sounds similar to the warning beeps I've had with harddrive or motherboard issues.

-AB

--- On Tue, 10/20/09, Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com> wrote:


From: Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com>
Subject: [DM-MUG] problems with MacBook Pro [small one] in Chile

To: "MUG Des Moines" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 1:51 PM

Our daughter has a 12/13" MBP and is in Chile in a tiny town.? She 

just called [Skype] and says that the machine is running really slow, 
takes a minute to open up applications and it beeps at her.? She is 
running Tiger still.? She is also moving off the computer everything 
she wants to save.


Any thoughts on what is going on or what she can do?
-- 
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http://blog.JourneyZing.com? [photography]; 

http://www.herringlaw.com? [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/? [personal].

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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Thu Oct 22 11:40:39 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:40:39 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] problems with MacBook Pro [small one] in Chile
In-Reply-To: <923968.68255.qm@web110302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <923968.68255.qm@web110302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p0624081ec7063b4c621c@[10.0.1.192]>

>When the motherboard is failing, there's a beep from the mac 
>internal speakers. The obscure message is in at least 5 different 
>languages but it doesn't say "motherboard is failing" so I took it 
>to a certified Apple Tech and found out. He was able to take out the 
>drive. I converted it to an external drive. then it failed 7 months 
>later.

so does that mean there are two beeps possible = the drive and the 
motherboard?  When I go visit her in December I'm going to check over 
the machine and either bring it home or something but it'd be helpful 
to know what I'm looking for = right now it's safely in storage
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From jon at mac-consultant.com  Thu Oct 22 12:06:32 2009
From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 12:06:32 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] problems with MacBook Pro [small one] in Chile
In-Reply-To: <p0624081ec7063b4c621c@[10.0.1.192]>
References: <923968.68255.qm@web110302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<p0624081ec7063b4c621c@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <9A67D6C8-C381-4615-846B-103B93519E70@mac-consultant.com>

Depending on how vital the machine is and your budget, you may just  
want to buy a new one for her and plan to swap it. Get this one fixed  
and ship it back to her- that way, she has a spare if anything goes  
wrong.

On Oct 22, 2009, at 11:40 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

>> When the motherboard is failing, there's a beep from the mac
>> internal speakers. The obscure message is in at least 5 different
>> languages but it doesn't say "motherboard is failing" so I took it
>> to a certified Apple Tech and found out. He was able to take out the
>> drive. I converted it to an external drive. then it failed 7 months
>> later.
>
> so does that mean there are two beeps possible = the drive and the
> motherboard?  When I go visit her in December I'm going to check over
> the machine and either bring it home or something but it'd be helpful
> to know what I'm looking for = right now it's safely in storage
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs:
> http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography];
> http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination];
> http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].
> _______________________________________________
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Thu Oct 22 12:26:06 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 12:26:06 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] problems with MacBook Pro [small one] in Chile
In-Reply-To: <9A67D6C8-C381-4615-846B-103B93519E70@mac-consultant.com>
References: <923968.68255.qm@web110302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<p0624081ec7063b4c621c@[10.0.1.192]>
	<9A67D6C8-C381-4615-846B-103B93519E70@mac-consultant.com>
Message-ID: <p06240822c706461aea2f@[10.0.1.192]>

I did get her a new MBP and it's on its way soon - which is a whole 
other story - thanks
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From newz at bearfruit.org  Fri Oct 23 15:31:05 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:31:05 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] uploading an image to ebay
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080910231331j4b28ce85xe14e9fabdb64cb08@mail.gmail.com>

Here is something I do often enough that it annoys me that it's not
exceedingly simple. I'm using ebay as an example but I do this on
numerous different websites.

1. Take a picture with a digital camera
2. Attach camera to pc, iphoto launches and imports picture
3. Open ebay, start the process to list an item for sale
4. Attach an image by hitting the browse button
5. Where on earth is my picture? I click on Pictures -> iPhoto library
but is not a folder, you can't just open it and browse pictures

To solve this I open iPhoto, drag the picture out of iPhoto onto my
desktop, then upload from there.

Is there another way to do things?


-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter

From cwsmith7 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 15:47:32 2009
From: cwsmith7 at gmail.com (CW Smith)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:47:32 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] uploading an image to ebay
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4080910231331j4b28ce85xe14e9fabdb64cb08@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f3c0b4080910231331j4b28ce85xe14e9fabdb64cb08@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AC7C57F7-54CA-410B-9817-4E3664046B75@gmail.com>

Right-click (or control-click) on iPhoto Library. Select "Show Package  
Contents."

Peace,
CW

---------------------------------------------------------

CW Smith
Windows & Macintosh service and repair
Apple Certified Macintosh Technician

Phone: (515) 577-1716
cwsmith7 at gmail.com

"Guitar, bass, percussion, Macintosh"
www.cwsmith.fm

---------------------------------------------------------





On Oct 23, 2009, at 3:31 PM, Matthew Nuzum wrote:

> Here is something I do often enough that it annoys me that it's not
> exceedingly simple. I'm using ebay as an example but I do this on
> numerous different websites.
>
> 1. Take a picture with a digital camera
> 2. Attach camera to pc, iphoto launches and imports picture
> 3. Open ebay, start the process to list an item for sale
> 4. Attach an image by hitting the browse button
> 5. Where on earth is my picture? I click on Pictures -> iPhoto library
> but is not a folder, you can't just open it and browse pictures
>
> To solve this I open iPhoto, drag the picture out of iPhoto onto my
> desktop, then upload from there.
>
> Is there another way to do things?
>
>
> -- 
> Matthew Nuzum
> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
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From alan.maupin at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 16:07:30 2009
From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:07:30 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] uploading an image to ebay
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4080910231331j4b28ce85xe14e9fabdb64cb08@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f3c0b4080910231331j4b28ce85xe14e9fabdb64cb08@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A06C25FD-D034-4033-A7DB-2B795E46E86F@gmail.com>

I right click on the image in iPhoto and select show file.  The folder  
containing the images is then opened in a Finder window.


On Oct 23, 2009, at 3:31 PM, Matthew Nuzum wrote:

> Here is something I do often enough that it annoys me that it's not
> exceedingly simple. I'm using ebay as an example but I do this on
> numerous different websites.
>
> 1. Take a picture with a digital camera
> 2. Attach camera to pc, iphoto launches and imports picture
> 3. Open ebay, start the process to list an item for sale
> 4. Attach an image by hitting the browse button
> 5. Where on earth is my picture? I click on Pictures -> iPhoto library
> but is not a folder, you can't just open it and browse pictures
>
> To solve this I open iPhoto, drag the picture out of iPhoto onto my
> desktop, then upload from there.
>
> Is there another way to do things?
>
>
> -- 
> Matthew Nuzum
> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
> _______________________________________________
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From jrearick at bobbis.net  Fri Oct 23 16:28:20 2009
From: jrearick at bobbis.net (John Rearick)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:28:20 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] uploading an image to ebay
In-Reply-To: <A06C25FD-D034-4033-A7DB-2B795E46E86F@gmail.com>
References: <f3c0b4080910231331j4b28ce85xe14e9fabdb64cb08@mail.gmail.com>
	<A06C25FD-D034-4033-A7DB-2B795E46E86F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <32D77000-7030-41CF-B2C2-7D3D0027DF74@bobbis.net>

I don't know what version of OS X/iLife this came in, but in my open  
sheet I have access to my iTunes, iPhoto, and movie libraries via the  
MEDIA section at the bottom of the side bar.

see screen shot: http://is.gd/4ycaY

John

On Oct 23, 2009, at 4:07 PM, Alan Maupin wrote:

> I right click on the image in iPhoto and select show file.  The folder
> containing the images is then opened in a Finder window.
>
>
> On Oct 23, 2009, at 3:31 PM, Matthew Nuzum wrote:
>
>> Here is something I do often enough that it annoys me that it's not
>> exceedingly simple. I'm using ebay as an example but I do this on
>> numerous different websites.
>>
>> 1. Take a picture with a digital camera
>> 2. Attach camera to pc, iphoto launches and imports picture
>> 3. Open ebay, start the process to list an item for sale
>> 4. Attach an image by hitting the browse button
>> 5. Where on earth is my picture? I click on Pictures -> iPhoto  
>> library
>> but is not a folder, you can't just open it and browse pictures
>>
>> To solve this I open iPhoto, drag the picture out of iPhoto onto my
>> desktop, then upload from there.
>>
>> Is there another way to do things?
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Matthew Nuzum
>> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
>> _______________________________________________
>> DMMUG mailing list
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Sat Oct 24 08:54:49 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 08:54:49 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] MUG InfoManager nfo==fyi
Message-ID: <p06240807c708b79a79dc@[10.0.1.192]>

Mug InfoManager for Monday, October 12, 2009
-------------------------------------------------------------------
by Lynn Wegley, InfoManager, with coeditor Fred Showker

What's Here:
01  Name Squatters gotcha
02  Nigerian scams on Craig List
03  KidCalc math learning for iPhone and iPod touch
04  Macintosh Computer Expo
05  FTC: Bloggers need better disclosure
06  Developers Shift to iPhone
07  Secrets of Da Vinci on the Mac
08  DrawIt Vector-Drawing for Mac
09  Let me Google that for you
10  Apple App Developer Giving away Their Earnings
11  Make Your Own Handwriting Fonts
12  Quotes Picasso, Jung, Aiken and Pfaff

Live at:
http://www.user-groups.net/info/0910-12.html

-------------------------------------------------------------------

InfoManager is the weekly, syndicated MUG newsletter from
Lynn Wegley and Fred Showker, delivered every Monday morning
to Group officers and members since 1994.

-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Mon Oct 26 12:26:17 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:26:17 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] October and November meetings - Programs
Message-ID: <p0624080ec70b8bfb32c9@[10.0.1.192]>

I don't have notes indicating any program topics for either, but that 
may just be my notetaking.

We can have a general topic and then all discuss.  Or a presentation 
on a topic.

Ideas?  Volunteers?


-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From jon at mac-consultant.com  Mon Oct 26 12:31:08 2009
From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:31:08 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] October and November meetings - Programs
In-Reply-To: <p0624080ec70b8bfb32c9@[10.0.1.192]>
References: <p0624080ec70b8bfb32c9@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <F1B2003B-00C4-44F9-9B6A-98F7977EEAEB@mac-consultant.com>

Well, I'm supposed to do a Automator presentation this month.

On Oct 26, 2009, at 12:26 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> I don't have notes indicating any program topics for either, but that
> may just be my notetaking.
>
> We can have a general topic and then all discuss.  Or a presentation
> on a topic.
>
> Ideas?  Volunteers?
>
>
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs:
> http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography];
> http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination];
> http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Mon Oct 26 12:36:25 2009
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:36:25 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] October and November meetings - Programs
In-Reply-To: <p0624080ec70b8bfb32c9@[10.0.1.192]>
References: <p0624080ec70b8bfb32c9@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <4B995AC9-C338-451C-A069-1D2B442FCD91@mchsi.com>

My understanding is that Jon will lead a discussion of Automator. Then  
I will spend a few minutes reviewing "{Take Control of the Command  
Line in Terminal".

I hope this is correct.

On Oct 26, 2009, at Oct 26, 200912:26 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> I don't have notes indicating any program topics for either, but that
> may just be my notetaking.
>
> We can have a general topic and then all discuss.  Or a presentation
> on a topic.
>
> Ideas?  Volunteers?
>
>
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs:
> http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography];
> http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination];
> http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].
> _______________________________________________
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Ray Bowler

rbowler.home.mchsi.com




From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Mon Oct 26 12:41:32 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:41:32 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] October and November meetings - Programs
In-Reply-To: <4B995AC9-C338-451C-A069-1D2B442FCD91@mchsi.com>
References: <p0624080ec70b8bfb32c9@[10.0.1.192]>
	<4B995AC9-C338-451C-A069-1D2B442FCD91@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <p06240812c70b8f8c08c8@[10.0.1.192]>

>My understanding is that Jon will lead a discussion of Automator. Then 
>I will spend a few minutes reviewing "{Take Control of the Command
>Line in Terminal".

my rusty brain is now happy = both sound good and I appreciate you 
two doing this.
If we have additional time, we can perhaps talk about iPhone apps. 
that are a big help or fun to use?  Or experiences with Snow Leopard.

November?  We could devote it to Snow Leopard?
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Tue Oct 27 08:52:22 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:52:22 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Tonight's Program & in November & Raffle Item!
Message-ID: <p06240815c70ca9ad7816@[10.0.1.192]>

Tonight, Jon Thompson on Automator and Ray Bowler on Command 
Line....sounds like a good program and very timely [I struck out last 
nite trying an Automator creation].

I have another of the LapWorks Laptop Desks to raffle off == ver. 2.0 
- great for being able to sit and watch TV on the TV and play on the 
computer at the same time!  We did a presentation on the desks and 
ergonomics a couple of months ago.  This was a 'thank you' gift from 
the company.  One will be raffled off to those in attendance.  Anyone 
who has already won a raffle item should hold back from entering 
again.

Any suggestions for November?  Anything you want to see/learn or hear 
about?  It's on November 24th.

No meeting in December.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Tue Oct 27 10:59:31 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:59:31 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] BE THINKING ABOUT THIS FOR THE FUTURE. . .
Message-ID: <p06240820c70cc791798c@[10.0.1.192]>

1.  DMMUG is limping along and we need a few other people to step up 
and help organize things.  1-2 people who will take over and share 
programming responsibilities would be great.

2.  We have a little bit of money left over in the trust account and 
need to figure out what to do with it.  I'll plan to report tonite on 
it at the meeting and then on the list, but we can use for materials 
purchase, food and munchies, maybe a training video thing...or it can 
just sit there.  We do have a website address for something like 8-9 
years so we might as well figure out something that would be useful 
to the members.

3.  For 2010 Programs, we need ideas.  We could pick a general topic 
for each and then try to find program material.  Whoever does 
programs might look into seeing if we can get some sort of feed or 
video from some Important Person to liven things up.  Demonstrations 
are good.

4.  Put in your calendar the meetings for 2010:  1/26, 2/23, 3/223, 
4/27, 5/25, 6/22, 7/27, 8/24, 9/28, 10/26, 11/23 and try to attend or 
at least make a few or present a program.  Unless people say 
otherwise, we'll hold meetings in the summer months but not in 
December.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].  Mark 
the Date:  3WomenArt show & sale - 1p-4p, Sat. 10/31.  Go to 
http://www.3womenart.com for further information.

From jon at mac-consultant.com  Tue Oct 27 11:46:06 2009
From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:46:06 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Tonight's Program & in November & Raffle Item!
In-Reply-To: <p06240815c70ca9ad7816@[10.0.1.192]>
References: <p06240815c70ca9ad7816@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <BC5D7E08-82AD-43E4-950F-7235EDCB60FF@mac-consultant.com>

What were you trying to create?

-- 
- Jon
On Oct 27, 2009, at 8:52 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> Tonight, Jon Thompson on Automator and Ray Bowler on Command
> Line....sounds like a good program and very timely [I struck out last
> nite trying an Automator creation].
>
> I have another of the LapWorks Laptop Desks to raffle off == ver. 2.0
> - great for being able to sit and watch TV on the TV and play on the
> computer at the same time!  We did a presentation on the desks and
> ergonomics a couple of months ago.  This was a 'thank you' gift from
> the company.  One will be raffled off to those in attendance.  Anyone
> who has already won a raffle item should hold back from entering
> again.
>
> Any suggestions for November?  Anything you want to see/learn or hear
> about?  It's on November 24th.
>
> No meeting in December.
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs:
> http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography];
> http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination];
> http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> DMMUG at dmmug.org
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From jon at mac-consultant.com  Tue Oct 27 11:52:46 2009
From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:52:46 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] uploading an image to ebay
In-Reply-To: <32D77000-7030-41CF-B2C2-7D3D0027DF74@bobbis.net>
References: <f3c0b4080910231331j4b28ce85xe14e9fabdb64cb08@mail.gmail.com>
	<A06C25FD-D034-4033-A7DB-2B795E46E86F@gmail.com>
	<32D77000-7030-41CF-B2C2-7D3D0027DF74@bobbis.net>
Message-ID: <926E9050-6420-4B07-B079-E3A5BB3B4F97@mac-consultant.com>

You can also drag and drop the picture from iPhoto, directly into the  
open dialog box.

-- 
Jon Thompson
Evolve
515.360.1351
www.dmevolve.com
@dmevolve

On Oct 23, 2009, at 4:28 PM, John Rearick wrote:

> I don't know what version of OS X/iLife this came in, but in my open
> sheet I have access to my iTunes, iPhoto, and movie libraries via the
> MEDIA section at the bottom of the side bar.
>
> see screen shot: http://is.gd/4ycaY
>
> John
>
> On Oct 23, 2009, at 4:07 PM, Alan Maupin wrote:
>
>> I right click on the image in iPhoto and select show file.  The  
>> folder
>> containing the images is then opened in a Finder window.
>>
>>
>> On Oct 23, 2009, at 3:31 PM, Matthew Nuzum wrote:
>>
>>> Here is something I do often enough that it annoys me that it's not
>>> exceedingly simple. I'm using ebay as an example but I do this on
>>> numerous different websites.
>>>
>>> 1. Take a picture with a digital camera
>>> 2. Attach camera to pc, iphoto launches and imports picture
>>> 3. Open ebay, start the process to list an item for sale
>>> 4. Attach an image by hitting the browse button
>>> 5. Where on earth is my picture? I click on Pictures -> iPhoto
>>> library
>>> but is not a folder, you can't just open it and browse pictures
>>>
>>> To solve this I open iPhoto, drag the picture out of iPhoto onto my
>>> desktop, then upload from there.
>>>
>>> Is there another way to do things?
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Matthew Nuzum
>>> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Tue Oct 27 14:50:55 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:50:55 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] DSStore?
Message-ID: <p0624082ac70cff3f863c@[10.0.1.192]>

I'm trying to click and drag a folder [several, really] to an 
external drive and when I do so it stops

"The operatoin cannot be completed because an item with  the name 
".DS_Store" already exists."

What can I do to get things copied over = 5-6 folders have done fine 
but the rest are not
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Tue Oct 27 15:23:44 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:23:44 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Tonight's Program & in November & Raffle Item!
In-Reply-To: <BC5D7E08-82AD-43E4-950F-7235EDCB60FF@mac-consultant.com>
References: <p06240815c70ca9ad7816@[10.0.1.192]>
	<BC5D7E08-82AD-43E4-950F-7235EDCB60FF@mac-consultant.com>
Message-ID: <p0624082bc70d06ed52fe@[10.0.1.192]>

>What were you trying to create?

I forget now but I think it was wanting to take all files with names 
including a set of letters or something [i.e.,  "xaxaxa"] and strip 
out or delete those letters - or else add in others

just for example...I did a different thing but that might be helpful 
[I do know there is an app. that is called File Renamer or some such 
but wondered if there would be an Automator workflow]

another Q for tonite - explain the difference between Workflow and 
App made via Automator

v
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From jon at mac-consultant.com  Tue Oct 27 15:29:55 2009
From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:29:55 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Tonight's Program & in November & Raffle Item!
In-Reply-To: <p0624082bc70d06ed52fe@[10.0.1.192]>
References: <p06240815c70ca9ad7816@[10.0.1.192]>
	<BC5D7E08-82AD-43E4-950F-7235EDCB60FF@mac-consultant.com>
	<p0624082bc70d06ed52fe@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <CCB5FF5D-9181-4400-B3FC-B02219D3B1EF@mac-consultant.com>

I'll deal with both.

Did you get my email re: the picture? I think I sent it to your .mac  
account.

-- 
- Jon
On Oct 27, 2009, at 3:23 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

>> What were you trying to create?
>
> I forget now but I think it was wanting to take all files with names
> including a set of letters or something [i.e.,  "xaxaxa"] and strip
> out or delete those letters - or else add in others
>
> just for example...I did a different thing but that might be helpful
> [I do know there is an app. that is called File Renamer or some such
> but wondered if there would be an Automator workflow]
>
> another Q for tonite - explain the difference between Workflow and
> App made via Automator
>
> v
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs:
> http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography];
> http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination];
> http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
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From jon at mac-consultant.com  Tue Oct 27 15:32:15 2009
From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:32:15 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] DSStore?
In-Reply-To: <p0624082ac70cff3f863c@[10.0.1.192]>
References: <p0624082ac70cff3f863c@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <2BC20EE9-5D37-403B-BC01-D62D737E848A@mac-consultant.com>

.DS_Store files are where Mac OS X stores things such as custom  
backgrounds, icon sizes, etc.. for a window.

I am not sure why they would be doing this, but is this the hard drive  
that you are having problems with the partitions? I just saw you note  
about the enclosure going bad, and it could have corrupted some nasty  
stuff. If it is the same drive, I would make sure to copy it to a  
fresh drive and at least wipe the existing.

-- 
Jon Thompson
Evolve
515.360.1351
www.dmevolve.com

On Oct 27, 2009, at 2:50 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> I'm trying to click and drag a folder [several, really] to an
> external drive and when I do so it stops
>
> "The operatoin cannot be completed because an item with  the name
> ".DS_Store" already exists."
>
> What can I do to get things copied over = 5-6 folders have done fine
> but the rest are not
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs:
> http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography];
> http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination];
> http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> DMMUG at dmmug.org
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Tue Oct 27 15:39:33 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:39:33 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] DSStore?
In-Reply-To: <2BC20EE9-5D37-403B-BC01-D62D737E848A@mac-consultant.com>
References: <p0624082ac70cff3f863c@[10.0.1.192]>
	<2BC20EE9-5D37-403B-BC01-D62D737E848A@mac-consultant.com>
Message-ID: <p0624082dc70d0ae03fdf@[10.0.1.192]>

>.DS_Store files are where Mac OS X stores things such as custom
>backgrounds, icon sizes, etc.. for a window.

no, diff. drive...I worked around it by not click/drag so much and 
just folder by folder.  It's a storage drive so once moved, will put 
it away.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From cdreger at grm.net  Tue Oct 27 15:52:28 2009
From: cdreger at grm.net (D Reger)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:52:28 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Tonight's Program
In-Reply-To: <p06240815c70ca9ad7816@[10.0.1.192]>
References: <p06240815c70ca9ad7816@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <4AE75D8C.3070100@grm.net>

Hi! Darlene in Missouri here, sad to say I am recovering from a sore 
throat, feel a little weak and don't trust myself to be a safe driver 
all the way to Des Moines, so I will ask:

** Could you make an informal "film" of the meeting and presentation? 
Just the presentation and Q&A would be helpful. I dont have a clue about 
Automator.

* Could you recommend a tutorial, on line or in print, for Automator? 
Something on third grade level would be about right.  ;-)
*
I really hate missing the meeting, but no volunteer (or paid) driver in 
sight.

Darlene Reger in Mizri, er, I  mean Mizzou



Victoria L. Herring wrote:
> Tonight, Jon Thompson on Automator and Ray Bowler on Command 
> Line....sounds like a good program and very timely [I struck out last 
> nite trying an Automator creation].
>   

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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Tue Oct 27 15:59:14 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:59:14 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Tonight's Program
In-Reply-To: <4AE75D8C.3070100@grm.net>
References: <p06240815c70ca9ad7816@[10.0.1.192]> <4AE75D8C.3070100@grm.net>
Message-ID: <p06240830c70d0f664f4f@[10.0.1.192]>

>Hi! Darlene in Missouri here, sad to say I am recovering from a sore 
>throat, feel a little weak and don't trust myself to be a safe 
>driver all the way to Des Moines, so I will ask:
>
>* Could you make an informal "film" of the meeting and presentation? 
>Just the presentation and Q&A would be helpful. I dont have a clue 
>about Automator.
>
>* Could you recommend a tutorial, on line or in print, for 
>Automator? Something on third grade level would be about right.  ;-)

Can anyone volunteer to take a video?  I don't have a camera.

If you have iChat, Darlene, I'll have my computer there and I could 
perhaps aim it at Jon as he explains and maybe you'd see enough or at 
least hear it???

Any other suggestions?
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].
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From jon at mac-consultant.com  Tue Oct 27 16:01:14 2009
From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:01:14 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Tonight's Program
In-Reply-To: <4AE75D8C.3070100@grm.net>
References: <p06240815c70ca9ad7816@[10.0.1.192]> <4AE75D8C.3070100@grm.net>
Message-ID: <0FEA3A26-95B7-4ACE-B41D-F1601E6D6865@mac-consultant.com>

I'm going to try and screen capture the presentation for my website.  
We'll see how it goes.

-- 
Jon Thompson
Evolve
www.dmevolve.com
515.360.1351

On Oct 27, 2009, at 3:52 PM, D Reger wrote:

> Hi! Darlene in Missouri here, sad to say I am recovering from a sore  
> throat, feel a little weak and don't trust myself to be a safe  
> driver all the way to Des Moines, so I will ask:
>
> * Could you make an informal "film" of the meeting and presentation?  
> Just the presentation and Q&A would be helpful. I dont have a clue  
> about Automator.
>
> * Could you recommend a tutorial, on line or in print, for  
> Automator? Something on third grade level would be about right.  ;-)
>
> I really hate missing the meeting, but no volunteer (or paid) driver  
> in sight.
>
> Darlene Reger in Mizri, er, I  mean Mizzou
>
>
>
> Victoria L. Herring wrote:
>>
>> Tonight, Jon Thompson on Automator and Ray Bowler on Command
>> Line....sounds like a good program and very timely [I struck out last
>> nite trying an Automator creation].
>>
>
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From hfwelch at mac.com  Tue Oct 27 16:57:24 2009
From: hfwelch at mac.com (Holly Welch)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:57:24 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Tonight's Program
In-Reply-To: <p06240830c70d0f664f4f@[10.0.1.192]>
References: <p06240815c70ca9ad7816@[10.0.1.192]> <4AE75D8C.3070100@grm.net>
	<p06240830c70d0f664f4f@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <CA7DA94B-7BD8-477E-9C73-639C1E6423DF@mac.com>

What about the iPhone?
On Oct 27, 2009, at 3:59 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

>> Hi! Darlene in Missouri here, sad to say I am recovering from a  
>> sore throat, feel a little weak and don't trust myself to be a safe  
>> driver all the way to Des Moines, so I will ask:
>>
>> * Could you make an informal "film" of the meeting and  
>> presentation? Just the presentation and Q&A would be helpful. I  
>> dont have a clue about Automator.
>> * Could you recommend a tutorial, on line or in print, for  
>> Automator? Something on third grade level would be about right.  ;-)
>
> Can anyone volunteer to take a video?  I don't have a camera.
>
> If you have iChat, Darlene, I'll have my computer there and I could  
> perhaps aim it at Jon as he explains and maybe you'd see enough or  
> at least hear it???
>
> Any other suggestions?
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs:  http://blog.JourneyZing.com 
>   [photography]; http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/ 
> discrimination]; http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/   
> [personal].
> _______________________________________________
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Tue Oct 27 17:01:53 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:01:53 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Tonight's Program
In-Reply-To: <CA7DA94B-7BD8-477E-9C73-639C1E6423DF@mac.com>
References: <p06240815c70ca9ad7816@[10.0.1.192]>
	<4AE75D8C.3070100@grm.net>	<p06240830c70d0f664f4f@[10.0.1.192]>
	<CA7DA94B-7BD8-477E-9C73-639C1E6423DF@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p06240833c70d1e2fc64b@[10.0.1.192]>

>What about the iPhone?

or any digital camera = I won't be able to do it =- someone in the 
audience should/can stand up and handle it.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From cdreger at grm.net  Tue Oct 27 17:16:30 2009
From: cdreger at grm.net (D Reger)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:16:30 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Tonight's Program
In-Reply-To: <CA7DA94B-7BD8-477E-9C73-639C1E6423DF@mac.com>
References: <p06240815c70ca9ad7816@[10.0.1.192]>
	<4AE75D8C.3070100@grm.net>	<p06240830c70d0f664f4f@[10.0.1.192]>
	<CA7DA94B-7BD8-477E-9C73-639C1E6423DF@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4AE7713E.1020102@grm.net>

Thanks, Holly. CW, we hope, has hooked me up for an iChat, so aim away 
with that computer. Thanks.  -Darlene

Holly Welch wrote:
>
>> *Can anyone volunteer to take a video?  I don't have a camera.*
>> *
>> *
>> *If you have iChat, Darlene, I'll have my computer there and I could 
>> perhaps aim it at Jon as he explains and maybe you'd see enough or at 
>> least hear it???*
>> *
>> *
>> *Any other suggestions?*
>> -- 
>>     
>> *Victoria L. Herring*, Des Moines, Iowa. 
>> Blogs:  http://blog.JourneyZing.com  
>> [photography]; http://www.herringlaw.com  
>> [civilrights/discrimination]; http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  
>> [personal].
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>> DMMUG at dmmug.org <mailto:DMMUG at dmmug.org>
>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
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From goodone at mac.com  Tue Oct 27 17:25:01 2009
From: goodone at mac.com (Charles C. Carnes)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:25:01 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] When?? - DMMUG Digest, Vol 54, Issue 22
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1256662802.27497.dmmug@dmmug.org>
References: <mailman.0.1256662802.27497.dmmug@dmmug.org>
Message-ID: <9598256A-CA71-4B2A-8655-D19DABAF406F@mac.com>

I cannot find the when and where of meetings.
Having retired I thought it might be interesting to attend a meeting.
I promise not to ask to many stupid questions.
I have been using Mac's all my life and have never belonged to a user  
group.
That was back in the days when a floppy really was a FLOPPY.
It could be interesting and/or fun to attend.
If I have missed October please let me know about November.
I see you are not doing one in December.
Thanks,
Chas

Charles Carnes
3925 Sherman Blvd.
Des Moines, IA 50310
(515) 252-1942 H.
(515) 490-3044 C.
(515) 334-5021 fax
goodone at mac.com
P Think Green. Don't print this email unless you REALLY need to.
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Tue Oct 27 17:30:19 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:30:19 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] When?? -
In-Reply-To: <9598256A-CA71-4B2A-8655-D19DABAF406F@mac.com>
References: <mailman.0.1256662802.27497.dmmug@dmmug.org>
	<9598256A-CA71-4B2A-8655-D19DABAF406F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p06240834c70d248b43dc@[10.0.1.192]>

It'd be great to see you == all info is on the DMMUG site === 
http://www.dmmug.org

meetings at 7pm - lst usually to about 830p and people hang around 
after that sometimes

the 4th Tuesday of each month [other than December]

at Impromptu Studio =  300 SW 5th Street, Suite 220 == The Parking 
Lot is located at the east end of the frontage road called Elm.
Elm is accessible via SW 7th Street.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].
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From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 27 20:37:21 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:37:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [DM-MUG] DSStore?
In-Reply-To: <p0624082ac70cff3f863c@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <634341.20433.qm@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Trash the DS_store file before doing so. See how that works.

--- On Tue, 10/27/09, Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com> wrote:

From: Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com>
Subject: [DM-MUG] DSStore?
To: "MUG Des Moines" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 12:50 PM

I'm trying to click and drag a folder [several, really] to an 
external drive and when I do so it stops

"The operatoin cannot be completed because an item with? the name 
".DS_Store" already exists."

What can I do to get things copied over = 5-6 folders have done fine 
but the rest are not
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com? [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com? [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/? [personal].
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From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 27 20:56:14 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:56:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [DM-MUG] problems with MacBook Pro [small one] in Chile
In-Reply-To: <p0624081ec7063b4c621c@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <382446.43014.qm@web110311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Two beeps from the internal onboard/system speakers, yes. One for each incident.

The obscure motherboard failure message in 5 different languages takes over the monitor and is set on gray, 50% transparent background, or was on Mac OS 10.3. It may be different on more recent Mac OSes. It is frequent but not consistent, as it fails it becomes more frequent and consistent during the boot process. It reminded me of Mac's version of the Windows notorious blue screen of death. ha ha. Honestly, the particular G3 blue and white tower I had bought 2nd hand and used for an additional 6 years had more than served me well and was the first time I had ever experienced motherboard failure on any Mac. 

Aside from learning to keep Mt. Dew and Milk away from laptops, or any liquids for that matter. 

I'm signing off for the week, and probably next week to move and get settled in the new house. I apologize for the delayed response. It's been a chaotic month. Thank goodness it's almost over. 

--- On Thu, 10/22/09, Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com> wrote:

From: Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com>
Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] problems with MacBook Pro [small one] in Chile
To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 9:40 AM

>When the motherboard is failing, there's a beep from the mac 
>internal speakers. The obscure message is in at least 5 different 
>languages but it doesn't say "motherboard is failing" so I took it 
>to a certified Apple Tech and found out. He was able to take out the 
>drive. I converted it to an external drive. then it failed 7 months 
>later.

so does that mean there are two beeps possible = the drive and the 
motherboard?? When I go visit her in December I'm going to check over 
the machine and either bring it home or something but it'd be helpful 
to know what I'm looking for = right now it's safely in storage
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com? [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com? [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/? [personal].
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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Tue Oct 27 22:58:05 2009
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:58:05 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] review--Take Control of the Mac Command line in Terminal
Message-ID: <FB599C6B-764C-4041-B019-3176F817AA53@mchsi.com>

Here is another of the very useful books which you can buy and  
download from <www.takecontrolbooks.com>. It is written for those who  
want to know more about the command line using terminal and who to do  
things which cannot be job done in the Finder. It is well worth the  
money and the time to look at a powerful tool which can be useful.

This book starts with the very basics of how to use the terminal and  
how to configure one of more sessions to suit your needs. From there  
you can proceed to using commands which are useful. For instance sudu  
lsof -i lists all of the programs which are accessing the network or  
the internet. Having trouble ejecting a CD/DVD? drutil eject will do  
the job. The book also explains how to use "man" to find out the  
syntax of a command. I just noticed that the ls (list) command can  
include a parameter to show you the last time a file was used (not  
when it was modified).

One lack in this book was that I did not find any way to find all the  
commands available. At the meeting tonight CW and Jon pointed out that  
if I use google and type "bash followed by what I want to do I can  
find the command. The other lack is an index. Without scanning the  
whole book I cannot find some of the things which I know are there but  
cannot find with the search.

Ray Bowler

rbowler.home.mchsi.com




From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Wed Oct 28 03:39:39 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 03:39:39 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Last Night's meeting... and other news.
Message-ID: <p06240839c70db2207291@[10.0.1.192]>

More info coming -

Excellent and helpful presentation by Jon Thompson on Automator - 
Alan Maupin videoed it and Darlene was there by 'iChat' and could 
hear, but the glare of the TV monitor with the examples on it was too 
much for her to see what was going on.  Jon did a screencapture and 
he and Alan will try to put together some sort of 
presentation/program and we'll let folks know where to find the video 
to watch.

Ray did a review of a Take Control book [see earlier message] which 
was much appreciated.

I'll repost the information about the MUG discount for Take Control 
ebooks.  I have found them excellent guides to topics from how to 
upgrade to maintenance, and other such ref. Macs and for the price, 
very helpful.  One of the benefits of being a MUG member is the 
discount, so use it.

We raffled off a lapdesk from Lapworks.  I still have the ergonomic 
video presentation they sent me so if someone wants it let me know. 
I can't think of another use.

In coming meetings we will be raffling off other things, perhaps full 
versions of software - we are asked by some vendors to give the full 
version to someone in exchange for them reviewing it and putting the 
review up on the site, which seems fair to me.

DMMUG has created its own staff-level MUG and we're going to talk to 
them about sharing things.

Next Month we will close out the year with a discussion of Snow 
Leopard - is there anyone who wants to lead the discussion??

Next year:  Networking, Media Servers, maybe guest speakers or 
presenters etc. - if you have specific topics to be covered, send 
them.


-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From alan.maupin at gmail.com  Wed Oct 28 06:32:41 2009
From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 06:32:41 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Last Night's meeting... and other news.
In-Reply-To: <p06240839c70db2207291@[10.0.1.192]>
References: <p06240839c70db2207291@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <9D542C62-8381-4259-8A1A-55395423E2AC@gmail.com>

Here are the encode settings in order to meet the size demands (under  
500 mb)  for 1.5 hours of video to be uploaded.

Name: H.264 800Kbps
Description: H.264 for high-bandwidth connections
File Extension: mov
Estimated size: 295.31 MB/hour of source
Audio Encoder,AAC, Stereo (L R), 48.000 kHz

On Oct 28, 2009, at 3:39 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> More info coming -
>
> Excellent and helpful presentation by Jon Thompson on Automator -
> Alan Maupin videoed it and Darlene was there by 'iChat' and could
> hear, but the glare of the TV monitor with the examples on it was too
> much for her to see what was going on.  Jon did a screencapture and
> he and Alan will try to put together some sort of
> presentation/program and we'll let folks know where to find the video
> to watch.
>
> Ray did a review of a Take Control book [see earlier message] which
> was much appreciated.
>
> I'll repost the information about the MUG discount for Take Control
> ebooks.  I have found them excellent guides to topics from how to
> upgrade to maintenance, and other such ref. Macs and for the price,
> very helpful.  One of the benefits of being a MUG member is the
> discount, so use it.
>
> We raffled off a lapdesk from Lapworks.  I still have the ergonomic
> video presentation they sent me so if someone wants it let me know.
> I can't think of another use.
>
> In coming meetings we will be raffling off other things, perhaps full
> versions of software - we are asked by some vendors to give the full
> version to someone in exchange for them reviewing it and putting the
> review up on the site, which seems fair to me.
>
> DMMUG has created its own staff-level MUG and we're going to talk to
> them about sharing things.
>
> Next Month we will close out the year with a discussion of Snow
> Leopard - is there anyone who wants to lead the discussion??
>
> Next year:  Networking, Media Servers, maybe guest speakers or
> presenters etc. - if you have specific topics to be covered, send
> them.
>
>
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs:
> http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography];
> http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination];
> http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> DMMUG at dmmug.org
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From thorgrim at imaginarytower.org  Wed Oct 28 07:43:35 2009
From: thorgrim at imaginarytower.org (David McLaughlin)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 07:43:35 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] review--Take Control of the Mac Command line in
	Terminal
In-Reply-To: <FB599C6B-764C-4041-B019-3176F817AA53@mchsi.com>
References: <FB599C6B-764C-4041-B019-3176F817AA53@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <919FA6D7-EE46-47BA-9CBD-897469CA0A69@imaginarytower.org>

> Here is another of the very useful books which you can buy and

Do you want me to add this to the site?

Dave McLaughlin

From rbowler at mchsi.com  Wed Oct 28 08:08:44 2009
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:08:44 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] review--Take Control of the Mac Command line in
	Terminal
In-Reply-To: <919FA6D7-EE46-47BA-9CBD-897469CA0A69@imaginarytower.org>
References: <FB599C6B-764C-4041-B019-3176F817AA53@mchsi.com>
	<919FA6D7-EE46-47BA-9CBD-897469CA0A69@imaginarytower.org>
Message-ID: <E2EDF197-4A3D-483D-872B-F043013124FA@mchsi.com>

I would appreciate it.

Ray

On Oct 28, 2009, at Oct 28, 20097:43 AM, David McLaughlin wrote:

>> Here is another of the very useful books which you can buy and
>
> Do you want me to add this to the site?
>
> Dave McLaughlin
> _______________________________________________
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Ray Bowler

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From alan.maupin at gmail.com  Wed Oct 28 09:09:57 2009
From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:09:57 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Last Nights Presentation
Message-ID: <e746971b0910280709k5f2b45as32b0112e97badcea@mail.gmail.com>

Jon's presentation on Automator has inspired me to dive deeper to seek
time savings solutions for digital image processing.  Jon's knowledge
on the Mac is simply amazing.  I joined his Faceback fan club.   Here
is a link to his new website: <http://www.dmevolve.com/>  Previously
I'd used Linux to learn the basic Unix commands while working with Sun
Solaris back in the 90's. Ray's presentation has likewise inspired me
to re-investigate the Unix command line in Mac OS X for time savings
short cuts to systems management.

I'm currently encoding the video of last nights presentations.  It was
1.5 hours duration.  I imported the HD footage from my camera to Final
Cut and selected the following (see below) encode settings to keep the
final file under 500 mb (hopefully).   I plan to try and upload the
video to Vimeo.com, and to my iDisk as a file download.  If anyone has
ideas for any aspect of video documenting our meetings and the
subsequent work-flow please submit them.  We do need a better plan on
setting up the camera, and to try and use the lapel microphone for the
speaker in order to obtain higher quality audio.  Last nights
recording was more or less winged on a last minute request. I'd like
to present a more professional video of our meetings.

*** Compressor Encoder Settings****
H.264 800Kbps
H.264 for high-bandwidth connections
File Extension: mov
Estimated size: 295.31 MB/hour of source
Audio Encoder,AAC, Stereo (L R), 48.000 kHz

From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Wed Oct 28 11:34:02 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:34:02 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: [MacLaw] Codeweavers Sale
Message-ID: <p06240807c70e22eb6412@[10.0.1.192]>

>
>From Codeweavers, makers of CrossOver:
>
>Until midnight CST tonight, October 28, 2009, *everything* is half off--new
>purchases, renewals--everything.
>
>< <http://store.codeweavers.com/>http://store.codeweavers.com/>

-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].
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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Thu Oct 29 10:27:36 2009
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:27:36 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Last Nights Presentation
In-Reply-To: <e746971b0910280709k5f2b45as32b0112e97badcea@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e746971b0910280709k5f2b45as32b0112e97badcea@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B1874169-4312-40D3-ADEF-CEACC88271E0@mchsi.com>

Thanks Alan. Let us know when we can get to it. I want to review some  
of the things Jon said in his presentation.

Ray.

On Oct 28, 2009, at Oct 28, 20099:09 AM, Alan Maupin wrote:

> Jon's presentation on Automator has inspired me to dive deeper to seek
> time savings solutions for digital image processing.  Jon's knowledge
> on the Mac is simply amazing.  I joined his Faceback fan club.   Here
> is a link to his new website: <http://www.dmevolve.com/>  Previously
> I'd used Linux to learn the basic Unix commands while working with Sun
> Solaris back in the 90's. Ray's presentation has likewise inspired me
> to re-investigate the Unix command line in Mac OS X for time savings
> short cuts to systems management.
>
> I'm currently encoding the video of last nights presentations.  It was
> 1.5 hours duration.  I imported the HD footage from my camera to Final
> Cut and selected the following (see below) encode settings to keep the
> final file under 500 mb (hopefully).   I plan to try and upload the
> video to Vimeo.com, and to my iDisk as a file download.  If anyone has
> ideas for any aspect of video documenting our meetings and the
> subsequent work-flow please submit them.  We do need a better plan on
> setting up the camera, and to try and use the lapel microphone for the
> speaker in order to obtain higher quality audio.  Last nights
> recording was more or less winged on a last minute request. I'd like
> to present a more professional video of our meetings.
>
> *** Compressor Encoder Settings****
> H.264 800Kbps
> H.264 for high-bandwidth connections
> File Extension: mov
> Estimated size: 295.31 MB/hour of source
> Audio Encoder,AAC, Stereo (L R), 48.000 kHz
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> DMMUG at dmmug.org
> Use this page to modify subscription options:
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug

Ray Bowler

rbowler.home.mchsi.com




From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Thu Oct 29 18:26:27 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:26:27 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Topics of interest
Message-ID: <p0624084ac70fd4cc129e@[10.0.1.192]>

here's a list -= we probably should do one a month or two

networking
online storage options
backing up
email and browser clients
maintenance
great freeware
great shareware
video topics
audio topics - ipod etc
iPhone

add more so we can work up something

and i need a programs coordinator or two
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From alan.maupin at gmail.com  Thu Oct 29 18:38:53 2009
From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:38:53 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Topics of interest
In-Reply-To: <p0624084ac70fd4cc129e@[10.0.1.192]>
References: <p0624084ac70fd4cc129e@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <25DB3C16-6554-4B77-8085-649F197483CD@gmail.com>

Ms. Herring,

I own a copy of Final Cut Pro and Final Cut Express.   I'd be willing  
to demonstrate Final Cut Express from my MacBook during one of our  
meetings for video demonstration.  You can also throw my name in the  
hat as a volunteer for program coordinator.

Is anyone familiar with how to setup a poll at one of the online Web  
2.0 free polling sites?   I think it would be nice to gather  
information from the DMMUG users on what their Mac's main purpose of  
utilization is.   I.e, music production, photography, videography,  
desktop publishing, etc etc.  With this information we could fine tune  
our program and utilize the specialized Mac skills of our members to  
share with the others.



On Oct 29, 2009, at 6:26 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> here's a list -= we probably should do one a month or two
>
> networking
> online storage options
> backing up
> email and browser clients
> maintenance
> great freeware
> great shareware
> video topics
> audio topics - ipod etc
> iPhone
>
> add more so we can work up something
>
> and i need a programs coordinator or two
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs:
> http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography];
> http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination];
> http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> DMMUG at dmmug.org
> Use this page to modify subscription options:
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug


From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Thu Oct 29 20:41:06 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:41:06 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Topics of interest
In-Reply-To: <25DB3C16-6554-4B77-8085-649F197483CD@gmail.com>
References: <p0624084ac70fd4cc129e@[10.0.1.192]>
	<25DB3C16-6554-4B77-8085-649F197483CD@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p0624084cc70ff49e8816@[10.0.1.192]>

Holly has done polls and I have...but I think someone other than me 
should run it, I have enough to do.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From rbowler at mchsi.com  Thu Oct 29 21:08:57 2009
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:08:57 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Topics of interest
In-Reply-To: <p0624084ac70fd4cc129e@[10.0.1.192]>
References: <p0624084ac70fd4cc129e@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <3E3B32BC-2F6B-4354-A0D6-531845DFFD78@mchsi.com>

I would like to have networking for Jan. and online storage for Feb.  
If not then then soon.

Ray

On Oct 29, 2009, at Oct 29, 20096:26 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> here's a list -= we probably should do one a month or two
>
> networking
> online storage options
> backing up
> email and browser clients
> maintenance
> great freeware
> great shareware
> video topics
> audio topics - ipod etc
> iPhone
>
> add more so we can work up something
>
> and i need a programs coordinator or two
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs:
> http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography];
> http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination];
> http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> DMMUG at dmmug.org
> Use this page to modify subscription options:
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug

Ray Bowler

rbowler.home.mchsi.com




From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Sat Oct 31 09:20:19 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 09:20:19 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Automator Q
Message-ID: <p06240805c711f72df83d@[10.0.1.192]>

Jon, your session Tuesday was very good and I learned alot and am 
testing my use of it now.  To start I was doing something very simple 
= finding all documents on the desktop and labelling them green.  I 
tested just doing aliases and that worked, so am now doing documents.

I did Find Finder Items..[document kind] then Get Folder Contents, 
the folder being the Desktop, and then Label Finder Items [green] - 
it worked just fine but it did seem to take a long time.  All three 
steps worked fine and were fairly quick but the last one did take 
awhile.  It also didn't label some theings but maybe they aren't 
documents [.webloc and .fp7 filemaker clone] otherwise it worked as 
expected.

I am now going to create a new dated folder on desktop and then move 
labeled items into it -- and probably schedule this so at the end of 
each day or several, all docs on desktop go there and then my job is 
the next AM to come in and file them where they go, which will take 
my own decision making and not Automator.

So, why so slow on labelling?
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From cdreger at grm.net  Sat Oct 31 10:56:37 2009
From: cdreger at grm.net (D Reger)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:56:37 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] S'no Leopard 10.31 (Morning?)
In-Reply-To: <4AEC5D66.4050404@grm.net>
References: <4AEC5D66.4050404@grm.net>
Message-ID: <4AEC5E35.1090601@grm.net>


> S'no Leopard 10.30 (Morning?)
>
  -Darlene
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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Sat Oct 31 11:26:08 2009
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:26:08 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] B/W G3 monitor
Message-ID: <B933FF67-5ECC-4492-AF0E-252CA3CDD7B3@mchsi.com>

My son-in-law has a B/W G3 which lost power recently. When it  
eventually powered back up he had lost the red in the display. This  
sounds like he needs a different monitor. Is it possible to find these  
B/W monitors? The tech specs say  it uses a 15-pin mini D-Sub VGA  
connector and Macintosh-to-VGA adapter. I have several monitors I  
could let him try so what should we look at in the connector?

Thanks.

Ray Bowler

rbowler.home.mchsi.com




From rbowler at mchsi.com  Sat Oct 31 11:29:02 2009
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:29:02 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] New Mac Computer software included with SL?
Message-ID: <7ADBC845-D019-41F0-BD2E-B624C6F6071A@mchsi.com>

Does anyone know where to find a list of what software is included in  
the MacMini and in the iMac under SL?

Ray Bowler

rbowler.home.mchsi.com




From cwsmith7 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 31 11:31:19 2009
From: cwsmith7 at gmail.com (CW Smith)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:31:19 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] B/W G3 monitor
In-Reply-To: <B933FF67-5ECC-4492-AF0E-252CA3CDD7B3@mchsi.com>
References: <B933FF67-5ECC-4492-AF0E-252CA3CDD7B3@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <6CCC5668-FB57-4F49-9B60-3206683BDD06@gmail.com>

Ray:

A Blue & White G3 will use any VGA monitor. It doesn't *have* to be a  
matching Apple monitor. This might be a good time to move over to an  
LCD: smaller physical size, sharper image, smaller power draw.

I have a 21" graphite Apple monitor of that vintage. Not an exact  
match, but if your son wants all Apple, it would be an option.

Peace,
CW

---------------------------------------------------------

CW Smith
Windows & Macintosh service and repair
Apple Certified Macintosh Technician

Phone: (515) 577-1716
cwsmith7 at gmail.com

"Guitar, bass, percussion, Macintosh"
www.cwsmith.fm

---------------------------------------------------------





On Oct 31, 2009, at 11:26 AM, Ray Bowler wrote:

> My son-in-law has a B/W G3 which lost power recently. When it
> eventually powered back up he had lost the red in the display. This
> sounds like he needs a different monitor. Is it possible to find these
> B/W monitors? The tech specs say  it uses a 15-pin mini D-Sub VGA
> connector and Macintosh-to-VGA adapter. I have several monitors I
> could let him try so what should we look at in the connector?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ray Bowler
>
> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
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From jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com  Sat Oct 31 11:59:06 2009
From: jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:59:06 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] New Mac Computer software included with SL?
In-Reply-To: <7ADBC845-D019-41F0-BD2E-B624C6F6071A@mchsi.com>
References: <7ADBC845-D019-41F0-BD2E-B624C6F6071A@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <865f37f30910310959j2832f877p1b4a94e7571d9e6a@mail.gmail.com>

New Macs come with Snow Leopard and iLife.

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Ray Bowler <rbowler at mchsi.com> wrote:

> Does anyone know where to find a list of what software is included in
> the MacMini and in the iMac under SL?
>
> Ray Bowler
>
> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>
>
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From jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com  Sat Oct 31 12:01:46 2009
From: jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:01:46 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Automator Q
In-Reply-To: <p06240805c711f72df83d@10.0.1.192>
References: <p06240805c711f72df83d@10.0.1.192>
Message-ID: <865f37f30910311001of808bbfnbff3d4538f7d2d36@mail.gmail.com>

If the window is open, it is having to label, then update the Finder as to
the status of the label. If the window is closed, it does not have to do the
latter step, which is more time consuming than just setting a flag.

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 9:20 AM, Victoria L. Herring <VLH at herringlaw.com>wrote:

> Jon, your session Tuesday was very good and I learned alot and am
> testing my use of it now.  To start I was doing something very simple
> = finding all documents on the desktop and labelling them green.  I
> tested just doing aliases and that worked, so am now doing documents.
>
> I did Find Finder Items..[document kind] then Get Folder Contents,
> the folder being the Desktop, and then Label Finder Items [green] -
> it worked just fine but it did seem to take a long time.  All three
> steps worked fine and were fairly quick but the last one did take
> awhile.  It also didn't label some theings but maybe they aren't
> documents [.webloc and .fp7 filemaker clone] otherwise it worked as
> expected.
>
> I am now going to create a new dated folder on desktop and then move
> labeled items into it -- and probably schedule this so at the end of
> each day or several, all docs on desktop go there and then my job is
> the next AM to come in and file them where they go, which will take
> my own decision making and not Automator.
>
> So, why so slow on labelling?
> --
> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs:
> http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography];
> http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination];
> http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].
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From jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com  Sat Oct 31 12:04:17 2009
From: jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:04:17 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] B/W G3 monitor
In-Reply-To: <6CCC5668-FB57-4F49-9B60-3206683BDD06@gmail.com>
References: <B933FF67-5ECC-4492-AF0E-252CA3CDD7B3@mchsi.com>
	<6CCC5668-FB57-4F49-9B60-3206683BDD06@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <865f37f30910311004n37a8c8dftf4cffe5ad0ed8fa4@mail.gmail.com>

I wouldn't be so quick to call it the monitor. If it has lost just red, it
could be the video card, or the cabling for the monitor.

>
> On Oct 31, 2009, at 11:26 AM, Ray Bowler wrote:
>
> > My son-in-law has a B/W G3 which lost power recently. When it
> > eventually powered back up he had lost the red in the display. This
> > sounds like he needs a different monitor. Is it possible to find these
> > B/W monitors? The tech specs say  it uses a 15-pin mini D-Sub VGA
> > connector and Macintosh-to-VGA adapter. I have several monitors I
> > could let him try so what should we look at in the connector?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Ray Bowler
> >
> > rbowler.home.mchsi.com
> >
> >
> >
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From cwsmith7 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 31 11:28:46 2009
From: cwsmith7 at gmail.com (CW Smith)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:28:46 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] S'no Leopard 10.31 (Morning?)
In-Reply-To: <4AEC5E35.1090601@grm.net>
References: <4AEC5D66.4050404@grm.net> <4AEC5E35.1090601@grm.net>
Message-ID: <73815A00-AF5F-45BD-8554-EB6E5C6E3F7A@gmail.com>

Very cute.

Here's Jasper, our Halloween kitty, saying hello.

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Peace,
CW

---------------------------------------------------------

CW Smith
Windows & Macintosh service and repair
Apple Certified Macintosh Technician

Phone: (515) 577-1716
cwsmith7 at gmail.com

"Guitar, bass, percussion, Macintosh"
www.cwsmith.fm

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On Oct 31, 2009, at 10:56 AM, D Reger wrote:

>
>> S'no Leopard 10.30 (Morning?)
>>
>> <Mail Attachment.jpeg>
>   -Darlene
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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Sat Oct 31 12:18:24 2009
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:18:24 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] New Mac Computer software included with SL?
In-Reply-To: <865f37f30910310959j2832f877p1b4a94e7571d9e6a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7ADBC845-D019-41F0-BD2E-B624C6F6071A@mchsi.com>
	<865f37f30910310959j2832f877p1b4a94e7571d9e6a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5605C61E-F328-43F9-AC76-BE7E9D3FCE8E@mchsi.com>

Thanks Jon.

On Oct 31, 2009, at Oct 31, 200911:59 AM, Jon Thompson wrote:

> New Macs come with Snow Leopard and iLife.
>
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Ray Bowler <rbowler at mchsi.com>  
> wrote:
> Does anyone know where to find a list of what software is included in
> the MacMini and in the iMac under SL?
>
> Ray Bowler
>
> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>
>
>
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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Sat Oct 31 12:20:47 2009
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:20:47 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] B/W G3 monitor
In-Reply-To: <865f37f30910311004n37a8c8dftf4cffe5ad0ed8fa4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B933FF67-5ECC-4492-AF0E-252CA3CDD7B3@mchsi.com>
	<6CCC5668-FB57-4F49-9B60-3206683BDD06@gmail.com>
	<865f37f30910311004n37a8c8dftf4cffe5ad0ed8fa4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <23460F0C-2373-4ED6-9496-406065BE8431@mchsi.com>

Thanks for the idea. If I have a monitor which will work with it we  
can find out fast.

Ray
On Oct 31, 2009, at Oct 31, 200912:04 PM, Jon Thompson wrote:

>
> I wouldn't be so quick to call it the monitor. If it has lost just  
> red, it could be the video card, or the cabling for the monitor.
>
> On Oct 31, 2009, at 11:26 AM, Ray Bowler wrote:
>
> > My son-in-law has a B/W G3 which lost power recently. When it
> > eventually powered back up he had lost the red in the display. This
> > sounds like he needs a different monitor. Is it possible to find  
> these
> > B/W monitors? The tech specs say  it uses a 15-pin mini D-Sub VGA
> > connector and Macintosh-to-VGA adapter. I have several monitors I
> > could let him try so what should we look at in the connector?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Ray Bowler
> >
> > rbowler.home.mchsi.com
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Use this Address to send mail to the list:
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From cdreger at grm.net  Sat Oct 31 15:41:14 2009
From: cdreger at grm.net (D Reger)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:41:14 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] S'no Leopard 10.31 (Morning?)
In-Reply-To: <73815A00-AF5F-45BD-8554-EB6E5C6E3F7A@gmail.com>
References: <4AEC5D66.4050404@grm.net> <4AEC5E35.1090601@grm.net>
	<73815A00-AF5F-45BD-8554-EB6E5C6E3F7A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AECA0EA.2040807@grm.net>

Jasper is such a cute innocent looking little thing. Matriarch of the 
Reger clan, Flash, has an invitation. She is the young looking black 
female; her grandson, Sterling, is behind her with her current litter.  
-Darlene



"Come on down, Jasper, the Pumpkin Head is tasty."

________________________________________________________________________________

CW Smith wrote:
> Very cute.
>
> Here's Jasper, our Halloween kitty, saying hello.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> Peace,
> CW
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>
> CW Smith
> Windows & Macintosh service and repair
> Apple Certified Macintosh Technician
>
> Phone: (515) 577-1716
> cwsmith7 at gmail.com
>
> "Guitar, bass, percussion, Macintosh"
> www.cwsmith.fm
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>
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