From treeguy at q.com  Sun Nov  1 15:13:23 2009
From: treeguy at q.com (Doug Blakely)
Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 15:13:23 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Idap.yahoo.com
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP84A73A1271561ED6796945A9B40@phx.gbl>

Mac G5 running 10.4.11 with Entourage. Periodically and sometimes
incessantly attempts to connect to <Idap.yahoo.com>. It has apparently never
connected to anything but just keeps trying. This has been going on for
several months but never when one of my more computer savvy sons is here for
a visit. How do I get rid of this yahoo pest?

Thanks!

Doug Blakely
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Mon Nov  2 14:45:38 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:45:38 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] slow email MCHSI to DOT MAC?
Message-ID: <p06240804c714f5100e8d@[10.0.1.192]>

A friend sent an email from her in DM at 9:55am from her MCHSI 
address to the DotMac addresses of myself and another -- for some 
wierd reason it came in to both of us at 12:54p - any explanations of 
why?  I use mchsi.com as my isp but not the email address.  I've been 
having issues with YahooGroup delivery but nothing else that I know 
of.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From ragner at mchsi.com  Mon Nov  2 15:24:00 2009
From: ragner at mchsi.com (Rod Ragner)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 15:24:00 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] slow email MCHSI to DOT MAC?
In-Reply-To: <p06240804c714f5100e8d@[10.0.1.192]>
References: <p06240804c714f5100e8d@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <0EE9EE39-2F59-440A-9256-77F8A35D4552@mchsi.com>

I have been having a similar problem for over one month.

This morning, I sent a message from my MediaCom account to my .mac  
account and it has not yet arrived (five hours later).

Last month I had a similar problem, so I sent messages from each of my  
four e-mail account (employer, NetScape, MediaCom, and .mac) to each  
of the other three. All mail was received promptly, with the sole  
exception of the message sent from the MediaCom account to the .mac  
account.

I sent a message to MediaCom about it and they replied that this was a  
known problem, but they had no solution.

Several days later a message was returned to my MediaCom account  
stating that the message could not be delivered.

Another few days later, the allegedly undeliverable message was  
received in my .mac account.

I have no good answer, but sending from any MediaCom account to  
any .mac account should be avoided. Either use a different sending  
account or ask te intended recipient for an alternate account (other  
than their .mac).

Good luck!

Rod (formerly a Consulting Software Engineer at Apple 1998-2001)

On Nov 2, 2009, at 2:45 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> A friend sent an email from her in DM at 9:55am from her MCHSI
> address to the DotMac addresses of myself and another -- for some
> wierd reason it came in to both of us at 12:54p - any explanations of
> why?  I use mchsi.com as my isp but not the email address.  I've been
> having issues with YahooGroup delivery but nothing else that I know
> of.
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs:
> http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography];
> http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination];
> http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Mon Nov  2 15:34:17 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 15:34:17 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] slow email MCHSI to DOT MAC?
In-Reply-To: <0EE9EE39-2F59-440A-9256-77F8A35D4552@mchsi.com>
References: <p06240804c714f5100e8d@[10.0.1.192]>
	<0EE9EE39-2F59-440A-9256-77F8A35D4552@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <p06240806c71500afc7d7@[10.0.1.192]>

Thanks.  I'll let my friend know but more importantly I'm going to 
let Mediacom know...it's a problem at their end and it needs to be 
fixed.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From newz at bearfruit.org  Mon Nov  2 16:22:50 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:22:50 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] slow email MCHSI to DOT MAC?
In-Reply-To: <p06240806c71500afc7d7@10.0.1.192>
References: <p06240804c714f5100e8d@10.0.1.192>
	<0EE9EE39-2F59-440A-9256-77F8A35D4552@mchsi.com>
	<p06240806c71500afc7d7@10.0.1.192>
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080911021422ldaa3288v3d076f7ed5c96a4@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Victoria L. Herring <VLH at herringlaw.com>wrote:

> Thanks.  I'll let my friend know but more importantly I'm going to
> let Mediacom know...it's a problem at their end and it needs to be
> fixed.
>

(to the list in general, not specifically to Victoria)

Hi, if I could just make an off-hand comment. You really shouldn't use @
mchsi.com email addresses or those from your ISP. Right now you use mediacom
for Internet. Do you think you'll always use it or is there a possibility
that something better will come out later? If something better does come out
and you decide to switch you'll have to go through a significant amount of
effort to let everyone that you may want to correspond with your new
address. In many cases people have you in their address book and they really
don't know where that is or how to change it. It will be a pain for you and
them. It will make you strongly consider not switching.

Now it is possible that Mediacom will not in the future have as good of a
service as they do today. If that happens you will want to change because
you're unhappy with the quality of service you get but the thought of
loosing touch with all of the people will make you suffer through it.

A better solution is to subscribe to an outside service for your email.
Gmail or hotmail work fine because they're free and the companies behind
them will likely exist far into the future and they're pretty agnostic about
how you use their service. .mac is not free but it's really not too
expensive and provides the same benefits.

An even better solution for those who have the means is to switch to using a
vanity email account. For example, I'm @bearfruit.org. For $10/year you can
register your own personal domain with GoDaddy and for only a small fee
above that have your email hosted through them. You can then forward your
email to your @mchsi.com or hotmail or whatever you like and if you get fed
up with that service you just change where your email is forwarded to. Your
email address will forever be the same you at yourname.com even if the mailbox
where that mail gets delivered changes over time.

This is just my $0.02 worth.

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Mon Nov  2 16:31:12 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:31:12 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] slow email MCHSI to DOT MAC?
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4080911021422ldaa3288v3d076f7ed5c96a4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <p06240804c714f5100e8d@10.0.1.192>
	<0EE9EE39-2F59-440A-9256-77F8A35D4552@mchsi.com>
	<p06240806c71500afc7d7@10.0.1.192>
	<f3c0b4080911021422ldaa3288v3d076f7ed5c96a4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p0624080cc7150e19ec92@[10.0.1.192]>

Good point Matthew = my friend uses the mchsi...I of course do not, 
but now I can explain it to her.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From alan.maupin at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 13:56:48 2009
From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (alan.maupin at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:56:48 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] alan.maupin@gmail.com has shared: Snow Leopard Update
	Blocks Intel Atom, Kills Hackintoshes
Message-ID: <ksju2o.w69svg@localhost>

alan.maupin at gmail.com wanted to share this with you:

FYI for non apple hardware on OSX.


Snow Leopard Update Blocks Intel Atom, Kills Hackintoshes
http://shar.es/aAqnZ

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From alan.maupin at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 13:59:27 2009
From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:59:27 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] You win some,
	you lose some: a review of Apple's Magic Mouse
Message-ID: <E052FEB7-6810-4822-AEE0-EC3FDD9F69A7@gmail.com>

http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2009/11/you-win-some-you-lose-some-a-review-of-apples-magic-mouse.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss

The good

Swiping back and forth through your browser history beats clicking or  
keyboarding
Momentum scrolling is extremely well-implemented
No place for palm cheese to be deposited
Pleasing heft
Tracking
The bad

Not the most ergonomically pleasing mouse
Occasionally interprets movement as a swipe
Secondary-click implementation could be better
The ugly

No support for Expos? and Dashboard

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From woohoowoohoo at me.com  Tue Nov  3 23:10:13 2009
From: woohoowoohoo at me.com (mauri booton)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:10:13 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Sprint MiFi
Message-ID: <9C72D173-E024-49F1-90B8-1964816A0F7C@me.com>

Anyone using the Sprint MiFi?

~ mauri ~

From jlagnese at gmail.com  Wed Nov  4 06:52:54 2009
From: jlagnese at gmail.com (jim lagnese)
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 06:52:54 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Sprint MiFi
In-Reply-To: <9C72D173-E024-49F1-90B8-1964816A0F7C@me.com>
Message-ID: <C716D546.98491%jlagnese@gmail.com>

We tested it at work, and it worked well, as did Verizon's offering, but we
liked the Sprint one a little better, and it seemed to have a little better
speed.


//On 11/3/09 11:10 PM, "mauri booton" <woohoowoohoo at me.com> wrote:

> Anyone using the Sprint MiFi?
> 
> ~ mauri ~
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From newz at bearfruit.org  Wed Nov  4 07:39:52 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:39:52 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Sprint MiFi
In-Reply-To: <9C72D173-E024-49F1-90B8-1964816A0F7C@me.com>
References: <9C72D173-E024-49F1-90B8-1964816A0F7C@me.com>
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080911040539x3e1e023dy620da2af5b5943c5@mail.gmail.com>

I did a speedtest on the one at bestbuy and it was faster than my 1. 5 mbps
DSL line at home. by a good margin if I remember correctly. but capped at
5GB/mo.  Not sure if that would work for me or not.

Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on Twitter freenode identi.ca and Skype

On Nov 3, 2009 11:10 PM, "mauri booton" <woohoowoohoo at me.com> wrote:

Anyone using the Sprint MiFi?

~ mauri ~
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From cmsspace at aol.com  Thu Nov  5 07:55:22 2009
From: cmsspace at aol.com (cmsspace)
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 07:55:22 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Mac Internet Plugin problem
Message-ID: <E93F6D6E.FA30.4040.94B8.C9EC84D7FD1D@aol.com>

Last night I was trying to watch a program on the internet. It was a Fox.com program and it kept locking up my AOL internet connection. ?In fact, I almost had to reboot the computer at one time because I couldn't get out of the full video lock-up. ?I finally managed to decrease the video by lauching the DVD player and get out of it. ?After this happened three times, I decided to give up on AOL and try Safari. ?When I went to the site, Fox needed to upgrade my video player and directed me to their upgrade site. ?Click on "Load" and it would download and update the Safari internet plugin. ?Sounds simple. ?The download takes about 2 minutes but then nothing happens. ?I tried this several times and then decided to try another .dmg link. ?Nothing happens. ?I try this several times. ?Ok, I decided to give Firefox a try. ?Exact same results. ?So, I figure, maybe I'm not running as an administrator and it won't work. ?I login as the admin and yes, when I go to the Fox update it takes me through the whole process and I can watch the video. ?But, as many of you know, you don't usually stay on the internet as an admin. ?Not too safe. ?So I go back to my regular, non-admin login and again, neither Safari or Firefox will update. ?I go and change my login giving me admin status. ?Same results. ?

So, right now, I'm left without being able to upgrade Safari or Firefox to the proper video player plugin while in my normal login even though the admin has already updated. ?I looked around for the plugin and thought I found it within the admin library folder. ?I copied this over to the user folder via a shared folder and put it in the library fold for the use. ?Still does not work.

I'm running an Intel core 2 dual ?iMac with 4GB Ram and Tiger 10.4.11 and all software update current.

Any ideas of how to resolve this issue. ?
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From cwsmith7 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 08:01:19 2009
From: cwsmith7 at gmail.com (CW Smith)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 08:01:19 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Mac Internet Plugin problem
In-Reply-To: <E93F6D6E.FA30.4040.94B8.C9EC84D7FD1D@aol.com>
References: <E93F6D6E.FA30.4040.94B8.C9EC84D7FD1D@aol.com>
Message-ID: <76D56CF5-ED25-4FEA-A57B-7816642A2A87@gmail.com>

Did you open the .dmg file and either run the installer or follow the  
instructions inside? Just downloading the .dmg doesn't run the  
installation.

Peace,
CW

---------------------------------------------------------

CW Smith
Windows & Macintosh service and repair
Apple Certified Macintosh Technician

Phone: (515) 577-1716
cwsmith7 at gmail.com

"Guitar, bass, percussion, Macintosh"
www.cwsmith.fm

---------------------------------------------------------





On Nov 5, 2009, at 7:55 AM, cmsspace wrote:

> Last night I was trying to watch a program on the internet. It was a Fox.com 
>  program and it kept locking up my AOL internet connection.  In  
> fact, I almost had to reboot the computer at one time because I  
> couldn't get out of the full video lock-up.  I finally managed to  
> decrease the video by lauching the DVD player and get out of it.   
> After this happened three times, I decided to give up on AOL and try  
> Safari.  When I went to the site, Fox needed to upgrade my video  
> player and directed me to their upgrade site.  Click on "Load" and  
> it would download and update the Safari internet plugin.  Sounds  
> simple.  The download takes about 2 minutes but then nothing  
> happens.  I tried this several times and then decided to try  
> another .dmg link.  Nothing happens.  I try this several times.  Ok,  
> I decided to give Firefox a try.  Exact same results.  So, I figure,  
> maybe I'm not running as an administrator and it won't work.  I  
> login as the admin and yes, when I go to the Fox update it takes me  
> through the whole process and I can watch the video.  But, as many  
> of you know, you don't usually stay on the internet as an admin.   
> Not too safe.  So I go back to my regular, non-admin login and  
> again, neither Safari or Firefox will update.  I go and change my  
> login giving me admin status.  Same results.
>
> So, right now, I'm left without being able to upgrade Safari or  
> Firefox to the proper video player plugin while in my normal login  
> even though the admin has already updated.  I looked around for the  
> plugin and thought I found it within the admin library folder.  I  
> copied this over to the user folder via a shared folder and put it  
> in the library fold for the use.  Still does not work.
>
> I'm running an Intel core 2 dual  iMac with 4GB Ram and Tiger  
> 10.4.11 and all software update current.
>
> Any ideas of how to resolve this issue.
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From cmsspace at aol.com  Thu Nov  5 09:47:26 2009
From: cmsspace at aol.com (cmsspace)
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:47:26 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Mac Internet Plugin problem update
In-Reply-To: <76D56CF5-ED25-4FEA-A57B-7816642A2A87@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B6F28EB0.FAF4.4110.A26B.C0A4ACBB233F@aol.com>

OK, I think I've figured out a problem that is keeping me from upgrading the video. ?The Fox player is supposed to be Flashplayer 10.0.32.18. ?When I go to upgrade, the online site is telling me that my Flashplayer is 10.0.22.87. ?I can and have downloaded the newer version Flashplayer as a .dmg. ?I mount and run the installer (giving admin permissions) and it says that it is installed. ?But when I run Safari or Firefox I still get the message that I ned to upgrade to the new player. ?I have trashed my cache but this didn't resolve any problems. ?It's like my computer is stuck on the old version. ?The version I have downloaded confirms that it is the newer one. ?So, how do I get rid of the old verison?

Any more suggestions?

(I'm wondering if AOL has been locking up because it is trying to use the old version and hitting a wall somewhere.)


On Nov 5, 2009, at 8:01:19 AM, "CW Smith" <cwsmith7 at gmail.com> wrote:

From:   "CW Smith" <cwsmith7 at gmail.com>
Subject:    Re: [DM-MUG] Mac Internet Plugin problem
Date:   November 5, 2009 8:01:19 AM CST
To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
Reply-To:   "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>

Did you open the .dmg file and either run the installer or follow the instructions inside? Just downloading the .dmg doesn't run the installation.

Peace,
CW

---------------------------------------------------------

CW Smith
Windows & Macintosh service and repair
Apple Certified Macintosh Technician

Phone: (515) 577-1716
cwsmith7 at gmail.com

"Guitar, bass, percussion, Macintosh"
www.cwsmith.fm

---------------------------------------------------------





On Nov 5, 2009, at 7:55 AM, cmsspace wrote:

Last night I was trying to watch a program on the internet. It was a?Fox.com?program and it kept locking up my AOL internet connection. ?In fact, I almost had to reboot the computer at one time because I couldn't get out of the full video lock-up. ?I finally managed to decrease the video by lauching the DVD player and get out of it. ?After this happened three times, I decided to give up on AOL and try Safari. ?When I went to the site, Fox needed to upgrade my video player and directed me to their upgrade site. ?Click on "Load" and it would download and update the Safari internet plugin. ?Sounds simple. ?The download takes about 2 minutes but then nothing happens. ?I tried this several times and then decided to try another .dmg link. ?Nothing happens. ?I try this several times. ?Ok, I decided to give Firefox a try. ?Exact same results. ?So, I figure, maybe I'm not running as an administrator and it won't work. ?I login as the admin and yes, when I go to the Fox update it takes me through the whole process and I can watch the video. ?But, as many of you know, you don't usually stay on the internet as an admin. ?Not too safe. ?So I go back to my regular, non-admin login and again, neither Safari or Firefox will update. ?I go and change my login giving me admin status. ?Same results. ?

So, right now, I'm left without being able to upgrade Safari or Firefox to the proper video player plugin while in my normal login even though the admin has already updated. ?I looked around for the plugin and thought I found it within the admin library folder. ?I copied this over to the user folder via a shared folder and put it in the library fold for the use. ?Still does not work.

I'm running an Intel core 2 dual ?iMac with 4GB Ram and Tiger 10.4.11 and all software update current.

Any ideas of how to resolve this issue. ?
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From jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com  Fri Nov  6 09:13:43 2009
From: jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:13:43 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] B/W G3 monitor
In-Reply-To: <23460F0C-2373-4ED6-9496-406065BE8431@mchsi.com>
References: <B933FF67-5ECC-4492-AF0E-252CA3CDD7B3@mchsi.com>
	<6CCC5668-FB57-4F49-9B60-3206683BDD06@gmail.com>
	<865f37f30910311004n37a8c8dftf4cffe5ad0ed8fa4@mail.gmail.com>
	<23460F0C-2373-4ED6-9496-406065BE8431@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <865f37f30911060713x1cf24fbcj2139e53fc3d82f53@mail.gmail.com>

Did you ever figure this out?

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Ray Bowler <rbowler at mchsi.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the idea. If I have a monitor which will work with it we
> can find out fast.
>
> Ray
> On Oct 31, 2009, at Oct 31, 200912:04 PM, Jon Thompson wrote:
>
> >
> > I wouldn't be so quick to call it the monitor. If it has lost just
> > red, it could be the video card, or the cabling for the monitor.
> >
> > On Oct 31, 2009, at 11:26 AM, Ray Bowler wrote:
> >
> > > My son-in-law has a B/W G3 which lost power recently. When it
> > > eventually powered back up he had lost the red in the display. This
> > > sounds like he needs a different monitor. Is it possible to find
> > these
> > > B/W monitors? The tech specs say  it uses a 15-pin mini D-Sub VGA
> > > connector and Macintosh-to-VGA adapter. I have several monitors I
> > > could let him try so what should we look at in the connector?
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > Ray Bowler
> > >
> > > rbowler.home.mchsi.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Fri Nov  6 09:30:05 2009
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:30:05 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] B/W G3 monitor
In-Reply-To: <865f37f30911060713x1cf24fbcj2139e53fc3d82f53@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B933FF67-5ECC-4492-AF0E-252CA3CDD7B3@mchsi.com>
	<6CCC5668-FB57-4F49-9B60-3206683BDD06@gmail.com>
	<865f37f30910311004n37a8c8dftf4cffe5ad0ed8fa4@mail.gmail.com>
	<23460F0C-2373-4ED6-9496-406065BE8431@mchsi.com>
	<865f37f30911060713x1cf24fbcj2139e53fc3d82f53@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <88BBE0A0-377B-4544-A4F7-309ED9F8E6C0@mchsi.com>

He went to the Apple Store to look at monitors and bought an iMac. I  
am envious. He had to buy his wife a freezer also.

On Nov 6, 2009, at Nov 6, 20099:13 AM, Jon Thompson wrote:

> Did you ever figure this out?
>
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Ray Bowler <rbowler at mchsi.com>  
> wrote:
> Thanks for the idea. If I have a monitor which will work with it we
> can find out fast.
>
> Ray
> On Oct 31, 2009, at Oct 31, 200912:04 PM, Jon Thompson wrote:
>
> >
> > I wouldn't be so quick to call it the monitor. If it has lost just
> > red, it could be the video card, or the cabling for the monitor.
> >
> > On Oct 31, 2009, at 11:26 AM, Ray Bowler wrote:
> >
> > > My son-in-law has a B/W G3 which lost power recently. When it
> > > eventually powered back up he had lost the red in the display.  
> This
> > > sounds like he needs a different monitor. Is it possible to find
> > these
> > > B/W monitors? The tech specs say  it uses a 15-pin mini D-Sub VGA
> > > connector and Macintosh-to-VGA adapter. I have several monitors I
> > > could let him try so what should we look at in the connector?
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > Ray Bowler
> > >
> > > rbowler.home.mchsi.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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From newz at bearfruit.org  Fri Nov  6 09:42:23 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:42:23 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] macbook for sale
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080911060742w46380e75hf62960a6cbc5b6a3@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, I'm selling a white macbook for $500. It is a Core 2 Duo, 1GB RAM,
120GB drive, 13" screen. It needs a battery and is showing some wear
but it works very nicely. If you're interested let me know.

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter

From jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com  Fri Nov  6 09:47:19 2009
From: jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:47:19 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] B/W G3 monitor
In-Reply-To: <88BBE0A0-377B-4544-A4F7-309ED9F8E6C0@mchsi.com>
References: <B933FF67-5ECC-4492-AF0E-252CA3CDD7B3@mchsi.com>
	<6CCC5668-FB57-4F49-9B60-3206683BDD06@gmail.com>
	<865f37f30910311004n37a8c8dftf4cffe5ad0ed8fa4@mail.gmail.com>
	<23460F0C-2373-4ED6-9496-406065BE8431@mchsi.com>
	<865f37f30911060713x1cf24fbcj2139e53fc3d82f53@mail.gmail.com>
	<88BBE0A0-377B-4544-A4F7-309ED9F8E6C0@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <865f37f30911060747q5d8cd4b6odc5595d63fa722bd@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds like a better expenditure than limping along with a B/W G3 anyhow.
-- 
Jon Thompson
Evolve
www.dmevolve.com
515 360 1351

On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Ray Bowler <rbowler at mchsi.com> wrote:

> He went to the Apple Store to look at monitors and bought an iMac. I
> am envious. He had to buy his wife a freezer also.
>
> On Nov 6, 2009, at Nov 6, 20099:13 AM, Jon Thompson wrote:
>
> > Did you ever figure this out?
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Ray Bowler <rbowler at mchsi.com>
> > wrote:
> > Thanks for the idea. If I have a monitor which will work with it we
> > can find out fast.
> >
> > Ray
> > On Oct 31, 2009, at Oct 31, 200912:04 PM, Jon Thompson wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I wouldn't be so quick to call it the monitor. If it has lost just
> > > red, it could be the video card, or the cabling for the monitor.
> > >
> > > On Oct 31, 2009, at 11:26 AM, Ray Bowler wrote:
> > >
> > > > My son-in-law has a B/W G3 which lost power recently. When it
> > > > eventually powered back up he had lost the red in the display.
> > This
> > > > sounds like he needs a different monitor. Is it possible to find
> > > these
> > > > B/W monitors? The tech specs say  it uses a 15-pin mini D-Sub VGA
> > > > connector and Macintosh-to-VGA adapter. I have several monitors I
> > > > could let him try so what should we look at in the connector?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > Ray Bowler
> > > >
> > > > rbowler.home.mchsi.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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From chris at kavanaughgallery.com  Fri Nov  6 10:15:39 2009
From: chris at kavanaughgallery.com (Chris)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:15:39 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] macbook for sale
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4080911060742w46380e75hf62960a6cbc5b6a3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f3c0b4080911060742w46380e75hf62960a6cbc5b6a3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D955C640-7E7B-4980-98CB-11CB87827DF7@kavanaughgallery.com>

Hello Matt
  What year is it? Does it have a battery that wont hold a charge or  
does it need a battery? Thanks Chris
On Nov 6, 2009, at 9:42 AM, Matthew Nuzum wrote:

> Hi, I'm selling a white macbook for $500. It is a Core 2 Duo, 1GB RAM,
> 120GB drive, 13" screen. It needs a battery and is showing some wear
> but it works very nicely. If you're interested let me know.
>
> -- 
> Matthew Nuzum
> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
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From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  6 10:24:37 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:24:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [DM-MUG] B/W G3 monitor
In-Reply-To: <865f37f30911060713x1cf24fbcj2139e53fc3d82f53@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <412938.10317.qm@web110308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

any CRT monitor should work. I had a KDS monitor hooked up to my old G3, and then I switched to an apple CRT. You could even hook up an LCD with a HDMI to VGA adapter. 

Sometimes the cabling needs wiggled, so that might do the trick. 

Just try a different monitor with the G3. If the same result appears, then you need a new video card. I think G3s take AGP or PCI. You can just remove the video card and take it to the store if you're unsure. AGP is the longest and brown colored. PCI is shorter and white colored. PCI is the shortest and only became more common in systems manufactured beyond 2005/2006. Definitely NOT PCI express. 

Then try hooking up the monitor to a different computer to determine if it's a bad monitor or video card issue. If the monitor is bad, you can donate it to this computer place behind (on the back side) Friedrichs Coffee and Hyvee on 42nd Street in Des Moines. They take used hardware and refurbish it and resell it. 

-A.

--- On Fri, 11/6/09, Jon Thompson <jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com> wrote:

From: Jon Thompson <jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com>
Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] B/W G3 monitor
To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 8:13 AM

Did you ever figure this out?

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Ray Bowler <rbowler at mchsi.com> wrote:

Thanks for the idea. If I have a monitor which will work with it we

can find out fast.



Ray

On Oct 31, 2009, at Oct 31, 200912:04 PM, Jon Thompson wrote:



>

> I wouldn't be so quick to call it the monitor. If it has lost just

> red, it could be the video card, or the cabling for the monitor.

>

> On Oct 31, 2009, at 11:26 AM, Ray Bowler wrote:

>

> > My son-in-law has a B/W G3 which lost power recently. When it

> > eventually powered back up he had lost the red in the display. This

> > sounds like he needs a different monitor. Is it possible to find

> these

> > B/W monitors? The tech specs say ?it uses a 15-pin mini D-Sub VGA

> > connector and Macintosh-to-VGA adapter. I have several monitors I

> > could let him try so what should we look at in the connector?

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

> > Ray Bowler

> >

> > rbowler.home.mchsi.com

> >

> 





Ray Bowler



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From newz at bearfruit.org  Fri Nov  6 10:40:13 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:40:13 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] macbook for sale
In-Reply-To: <D955C640-7E7B-4980-98CB-11CB87827DF7@kavanaughgallery.com>
References: <f3c0b4080911060742w46380e75hf62960a6cbc5b6a3@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <f3c0b4080911060840q75a66760nd2373cc59ec70a6e@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, it needs a battery.

On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Chris <chris at kavanaughgallery.com> wrote:
> Hello Matt
> ?What year is it? Does it have a battery that wont hold a charge or
> does it need a battery? Thanks Chris
> On Nov 6, 2009, at 9:42 AM, Matthew Nuzum wrote:
>
>> Hi, I'm selling a white macbook for $500. It is a Core 2 Duo, 1GB RAM,
>> 120GB drive, 13" screen. It needs a battery and is showing some wear
>> but it works very nicely. If you're interested let me know.
>>
>> --
>> Matthew Nuzum
>> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
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> Chris
> chris at kavanaughgallery.com
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>
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From newz at bearfruit.org  Fri Nov  6 10:41:07 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:41:07 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] macbook for sale
In-Reply-To: <D955C640-7E7B-4980-98CB-11CB87827DF7@kavanaughgallery.com>
References: <f3c0b4080911060742w46380e75hf62960a6cbc5b6a3@mail.gmail.com>
	<D955C640-7E7B-4980-98CB-11CB87827DF7@kavanaughgallery.com>
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080911060841v3899eaa2o327f521dbda08551@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not sure how to tell what year it is. I'm the 2nd owner. It has OS
10.4 installed on it.

On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Chris <chris at kavanaughgallery.com> wrote:
> Hello Matt
> ?What year is it? Does it have a battery that wont hold a charge or
> does it need a battery? Thanks Chris
> On Nov 6, 2009, at 9:42 AM, Matthew Nuzum wrote:
>
>> Hi, I'm selling a white macbook for $500. It is a Core 2 Duo, 1GB RAM,
>> 120GB drive, 13" screen. It needs a battery and is showing some wear
>> but it works very nicely. If you're interested let me know.
>>
>> --
>> Matthew Nuzum
>> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
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>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
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> chris at kavanaughgallery.com
>
>
>
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From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  6 10:50:51 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:50:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [DM-MUG] slow email MCHSI to DOT MAC?
In-Reply-To: <0EE9EE39-2F59-440A-9256-77F8A35D4552@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <261500.46208.qm@web110304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Try plain text format and setting mail encoding (language) options to ISO Western/Western European or Unicode UTF-8. Different language settings can slow down or even bounce a message back. 

I'd check and set the mail encoding (language) settings to be the same if they aren't already, on both Mediacom and .Mac mail accounts. Not sure if that helps any. I'm not sure where the feature is on either Mediacom nor .Mac preferences and settings. Group M is Mediacom's parent company. http://www.groupm.com/output/Page7.asp in case you want to report the problem higher up.

I use Entourage, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Yahoo has a slight delay at times. 

--- On Mon, 11/2/09, Rod Ragner <ragner at mchsi.com> wrote:

From: Rod Ragner <ragner at mchsi.com>
Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] slow email MCHSI to DOT MAC?
To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 2:24 PM

I have been having a similar problem for over one month.

This morning, I sent a message from my MediaCom account to my .mac? 
account and it has not yet arrived (five hours later).

Last month I had a similar problem, so I sent messages from each of my? 
four e-mail account (employer, NetScape, MediaCom, and .mac) to each? 
of the other three. All mail was received promptly, with the sole? 
exception of the message sent from the MediaCom account to the .mac? 
account.

I sent a message to MediaCom about it and they replied that this was a? 
known problem, but they had no solution.

Several days later a message was returned to my MediaCom account? 
stating that the message could not be delivered.

Another few days later, the allegedly undeliverable message was? 
received in my .mac account.

I have no good answer, but sending from any MediaCom account to? 
any .mac account should be avoided. Either use a different sending? 
account or ask te intended recipient for an alternate account (other? 
than their .mac).

Good luck!

Rod (formerly a Consulting Software Engineer at Apple 1998-2001)

On Nov 2, 2009, at 2:45 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> A friend sent an email from her in DM at 9:55am from her MCHSI
> address to the DotMac addresses of myself and another -- for some
> wierd reason it came in to both of us at 12:54p - any explanations of
> why?? I use mchsi.com as my isp but not the email address.? I've been
> having issues with YahooGroup delivery but nothing else that I know
> of.
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs:
> http://blog.JourneyZing.com? [photography];
> http://www.herringlaw.com? [civilrights/discrimination];
> http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/? [personal].

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From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  6 10:57:55 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:57:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [DM-MUG] macbook for sale
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4080911060841v3899eaa2o327f521dbda08551@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <360859.46905.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

http://lowendmac.com

Use the search field to input your model to find the approximate year. Based on the specs alone, I'd guess late 2006 or early 2007 model at the oldest. Nov/Dec 2007 is when 10.5 was released so it's not newer than that...

-A.
--- On Fri, 11/6/09, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:

From: Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org>
Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] macbook for sale
To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 9:41 AM

I'm not sure how to tell what year it is. I'm the 2nd owner. It has OS
10.4 installed on it.

On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Chris <chris at kavanaughgallery.com> wrote:
> Hello Matt
> ?What year is it? Does it have a battery that wont hold a charge or
> does it need a battery? Thanks Chris
> On Nov 6, 2009, at 9:42 AM, Matthew Nuzum wrote:
>
>> Hi, I'm selling a white macbook for $500. It is a Core 2 Duo, 1GB RAM,
>> 120GB drive, 13" screen. It needs a battery and is showing some wear
>> but it works very nicely. If you're interested let me know.
>>
>> --
>> Matthew Nuzum
>> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
>> _______________________________________________
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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Fri Nov  6 11:34:29 2009
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:34:29 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] B/W G3 monitor
In-Reply-To: <865f37f30911060747q5d8cd4b6odc5595d63fa722bd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B933FF67-5ECC-4492-AF0E-252CA3CDD7B3@mchsi.com>
	<6CCC5668-FB57-4F49-9B60-3206683BDD06@gmail.com>
	<865f37f30910311004n37a8c8dftf4cffe5ad0ed8fa4@mail.gmail.com>
	<23460F0C-2373-4ED6-9496-406065BE8431@mchsi.com>
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	<88BBE0A0-377B-4544-A4F7-309ED9F8E6C0@mchsi.com>
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Message-ID: <50FD5DE6-506B-4264-ADDD-9E94379687F2@mchsi.com>

That's what they decided. He is thrilled with it.


On Nov 6, 2009, at Nov 6, 20099:47 AM, Jon Thompson wrote:

> Sounds like a better expenditure than limping along with a B/W G3  
> anyhow.
> -- 
> Jon Thompson
> Evolve
> www.dmevolve.com
> 515 360 1351
>
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Ray Bowler <rbowler at mchsi.com> wrote:
> He went to the Apple Store to look at monitors and bought an iMac. I
> am envious. He had to buy his wife a freezer also.
>
> On Nov 6, 2009, at Nov 6, 20099:13 AM, Jon Thompson wrote:
>
> > Did you ever figure this out?
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Ray Bowler <rbowler at mchsi.com>
> > wrote:
> > Thanks for the idea. If I have a monitor which will work with it we
> > can find out fast.
> >
> > Ray
> > On Oct 31, 2009, at Oct 31, 200912:04 PM, Jon Thompson wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I wouldn't be so quick to call it the monitor. If it has lost just
> > > red, it could be the video card, or the cabling for the monitor.
> > >
> > > On Oct 31, 2009, at 11:26 AM, Ray Bowler wrote:
> > >
> > > > My son-in-law has a B/W G3 which lost power recently. When it
> > > > eventually powered back up he had lost the red in the display.
> > This
> > > > sounds like he needs a different monitor. Is it possible to find
> > > these
> > > > B/W monitors? The tech specs say  it uses a 15-pin mini D-Sub  
> VGA
> > > > connector and Macintosh-to-VGA adapter. I have several  
> monitors I
> > > > could let him try so what should we look at in the connector?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > Ray Bowler
> > > >
> > > > rbowler.home.mchsi.com
> > > >
> > > >
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From woohoowoohoo at me.com  Fri Nov  6 12:17:43 2009
From: woohoowoohoo at me.com (mauri booton)
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 12:17:43 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Email Return Receipt / Mail Read
Message-ID: <2975C186-EFA7-4915-8D4E-3D4E910F12FD@me.com>

I use Mail on my iMac. I would like to find a way to implement a  
"return receipt" or "mail read" using the mail software. I've read  
about some commercial services that provide this option, but I was  
wondering if it can be implemented without using a paid service that  
limits the number of emails that can be sent with the feature?

Any suggestions?

~~ mauri ~~

From newz at bearfruit.org  Fri Nov  6 12:30:15 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:30:15 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Email Return Receipt / Mail Read
In-Reply-To: <2975C186-EFA7-4915-8D4E-3D4E910F12FD@me.com>
References: <2975C186-EFA7-4915-8D4E-3D4E910F12FD@me.com>
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080911061030s447a74cej4682231acd462c13@mail.gmail.com>

For marketing purposes the common way is to embed an image in the
email (like a logo or something) so that when people read the email
the image loading on the server is recorded as a hit. So for example,
if your website has a file called logo.php that shows a picture of
your logo, you can use:

    <img src="logo.php?email=xyz&recipient=123" alt="company logo">

And then put some code into your logo.php file that not only returns
the image but also stores a record in a database indicating the email
image was viewed. However, some email clients (MS Outlook, gmail, etc)
don't show images by default so you can't be certain that the email
was unread. You can also embed similar codes on links in the email so
that when they click the link a record is created. This works even if
the user has images turned off.

Some email sending programs can add a flag to the email that will
cause their mail server to send you a notification when the email was
delivered to the user's mailbox. However this does not mean the email
was read and the mail server may ignore your request for notification.

Some email sending programs request that the person's email reader
send you a notice when the email is read. Most email programs these
days ignore this request and the ones that don't ignore it instead ask
the user and gives them a warning which they usually ignore. This is
not a good method.

The only way to be sure to know if someone read a message is to send
an email w/ a link to the message. "Hi, I've sent you a message, to
read it, click here" and then when they click it a record is made.
People don't like reading these though, they seem very spammy, and
most people will just ignore your email entirely.

The best method I've seen is the first method above (tracking image
combined w/ tracking code in the links). You will need to develop a
solution or look for an open source solution that does this. The
common terminology is "campaign tracking." Just realize that some
unknown percentage of the recipients will read the email but not be
recorded in your system.

If all of this sounds complex, you're right, it is. This is why
companies like salesforce and mail chimp charge for the service. :-)

On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 12:17 PM, mauri booton <woohoowoohoo at me.com> wrote:
> I use Mail on my iMac. I would like to find a way to implement a
> "return receipt" or "mail read" using the mail software. I've read
> about some commercial services that provide this option, but I was
> wondering if it can be implemented without using a paid service that
> limits the number of emails that can be sent with the feature?
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> ~~ mauri ~~
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From kristau at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 12:31:13 2009
From: kristau at gmail.com (kristau)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:31:13 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Email Return Receipt / Mail Read
In-Reply-To: <2975C186-EFA7-4915-8D4E-3D4E910F12FD@me.com>
References: <2975C186-EFA7-4915-8D4E-3D4E910F12FD@me.com>
Message-ID: <3effba680911061031m2f57a310va382f08aa1a14e43@mail.gmail.com>

Read receipts are not worth paying any service for, as there is no
guarantee that the user at the other end will return it and this
functionality should be built in to every mail client. That said, I
don't use Mail on my Mac so I don't know for sure, but there should be
a way to turn on the option to request a read receipt.

Just remember, it is only a request for a receipt -- there is no
guarantee the user at the other end will send that back to you.

On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 12:17 PM, mauri booton <woohoowoohoo at me.com> wrote:
> I use Mail on my iMac. I would like to find a way to implement a
> "return receipt" or "mail read" using the mail software. I've read
> about some commercial services that provide this option, but I was
> wondering if it can be implemented without using a paid service that
> limits the number of emails that can be sent with the feature?
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> ~~ mauri ~~

-- 
Tired programmer
Coding late into the night
The core dump follows

From kristau at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 12:32:51 2009
From: kristau at gmail.com (kristau)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:32:51 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Email Return Receipt / Mail Read
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4080911061030s447a74cej4682231acd462c13@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2975C186-EFA7-4915-8D4E-3D4E910F12FD@me.com>
	<f3c0b4080911061030s447a74cej4682231acd462c13@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3effba680911061032r1b47d963o8c4b9ea54d3f1183@mail.gmail.com>

And even if you are paying for the services Matthew describes below,
there is still no guarantee. If the user has text-only mode turned on
or does not open HTML formatted messages, then the embedded picture
method will not work.

On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:
> For marketing purposes the common way is to embed an image in the
> email (like a logo or something) so that when people read the email
> the image loading on the server is recorded as a hit. So for example,
> if your website has a file called logo.php that shows a picture of
> your logo, you can use:
>
> ? ?<img src="logo.php?email=xyz&recipient=123" alt="company logo">
>
> And then put some code into your logo.php file that not only returns
> the image but also stores a record in a database indicating the email
> image was viewed. However, some email clients (MS Outlook, gmail, etc)
> don't show images by default so you can't be certain that the email
> was unread. You can also embed similar codes on links in the email so
> that when they click the link a record is created. This works even if
> the user has images turned off.
>
> Some email sending programs can add a flag to the email that will
> cause their mail server to send you a notification when the email was
> delivered to the user's mailbox. However this does not mean the email
> was read and the mail server may ignore your request for notification.
>
> Some email sending programs request that the person's email reader
> send you a notice when the email is read. Most email programs these
> days ignore this request and the ones that don't ignore it instead ask
> the user and gives them a warning which they usually ignore. This is
> not a good method.
>
> The only way to be sure to know if someone read a message is to send
> an email w/ a link to the message. "Hi, I've sent you a message, to
> read it, click here" and then when they click it a record is made.
> People don't like reading these though, they seem very spammy, and
> most people will just ignore your email entirely.
>
> The best method I've seen is the first method above (tracking image
> combined w/ tracking code in the links). You will need to develop a
> solution or look for an open source solution that does this. The
> common terminology is "campaign tracking." Just realize that some
> unknown percentage of the recipients will read the email but not be
> recorded in your system.
>
> If all of this sounds complex, you're right, it is. This is why
> companies like salesforce and mail chimp charge for the service. :-)
>
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 12:17 PM, mauri booton <woohoowoohoo at me.com> wrote:
>> I use Mail on my iMac. I would like to find a way to implement a
>> "return receipt" or "mail read" using the mail software. I've read
>> about some commercial services that provide this option, but I was
>> wondering if it can be implemented without using a paid service that
>> limits the number of emails that can be sent with the feature?
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> ~~ mauri ~~
>> _______________________________________________
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>
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>
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The core dump follows

From woohoowoohoo at me.com  Sat Nov  7 19:45:11 2009
From: woohoowoohoo at me.com (mauri booton)
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:45:11 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] MiFi & iTouch
Message-ID: <7D371C49-B97A-4413-AEB1-86AD922866DE@me.com>

If I had a MiFi mobile WiFi to use with my iTouch, what couldn't I do  
with my iTouch that I could do with an iPhone? I already have a cell  
phone... so don't need to do the AT&T thing. I know the iTouch doesn't  
have the GPS chip ~ but do the apps that do that kind of processing  
also work with the triangulation information that Apple has developed?

From chris at kavanaughgallery.com  Sat Nov  7 20:28:04 2009
From: chris at kavanaughgallery.com (Chris R Kavanaugh)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 20:28:04 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] MiFi & iTouch
In-Reply-To: <7D371C49-B97A-4413-AEB1-86AD922866DE@me.com>
References: <7D371C49-B97A-4413-AEB1-86AD922866DE@me.com>
Message-ID: <BE9D8A67-44E9-4094-9DE7-C33FEAA39EF5@kavanaughgallery.com>

Hello
Sort of, it uses wifi signals to extrapolate its position within 50  
feet or something like that. I mean google maps works well enough but  
its no GPS replacement, especially when your not near a wifi signal.  
Then its lost. My daughter and wife both have one and love them, they  
are more mobile computer than ipod. And no monthly charge. Regards Chris


Christopher Ransom Kavanaugh
chris at kavanaughgallery.com



On Nov 7, 2009, at 7:45 PM, mauri booton wrote:

> If I had a MiFi mobile WiFi to use with my iTouch, what couldn't I do
> with my iTouch that I could do with an iPhone? I already have a cell
> phone... so don't need to do the AT&T thing. I know the iTouch doesn't
> have the GPS chip ~ but do the apps that do that kind of processing
> also work with the triangulation information that Apple has developed?
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From inflatablesoulmate at brothersofchaos.com  Sat Nov  7 22:54:38 2009
From: inflatablesoulmate at brothersofchaos.com (Matt Stanton)
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:54:38 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] MiFi & iTouch
In-Reply-To: <BE9D8A67-44E9-4094-9DE7-C33FEAA39EF5@kavanaughgallery.com>
References: <7D371C49-B97A-4413-AEB1-86AD922866DE@me.com>
	<BE9D8A67-44E9-4094-9DE7-C33FEAA39EF5@kavanaughgallery.com>
Message-ID: <4AF64F0E.7000903@brothersofchaos.com>

I'm not sure what the differences are between the ipod touch 2nd gen and 
the iphone these days, but the ipod touch 1st gen didn't have the 3D 
graphics processing chip that the iphone has.  Also, you're not going to 
have the obvious parts:  GPS, Bluetooth, Speaker, Microphone...

Chris R Kavanaugh wrote:
> Hello
> Sort of, it uses wifi signals to extrapolate its position within 50  
> feet or something like that. I mean google maps works well enough but  
> its no GPS replacement, especially when your not near a wifi signal.  
> Then its lost. My daughter and wife both have one and love them, they  
> are more mobile computer than ipod. And no monthly charge. Regards Chris
>
>
> Christopher Ransom Kavanaugh
> chris at kavanaughgallery.com
>
>
>
> On Nov 7, 2009, at 7:45 PM, mauri booton wrote:
>
>   
>> If I had a MiFi mobile WiFi to use with my iTouch, what couldn't I do
>> with my iTouch that I could do with an iPhone? I already have a cell
>> phone... so don't need to do the AT&T thing. I know the iTouch doesn't
>> have the GPS chip ~ but do the apps that do that kind of processing
>> also work with the triangulation information that Apple has developed?
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From adk at 52761.com  Sat Nov  7 23:19:00 2009
From: adk at 52761.com (Allen Kiddoo)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 23:19:00 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] MiFi & iTouch
In-Reply-To: <4AF64F0E.7000903@brothersofchaos.com>
References: <7D371C49-B97A-4413-AEB1-86AD922866DE@me.com>
	<BE9D8A67-44E9-4094-9DE7-C33FEAA39EF5@kavanaughgallery.com>
	<4AF64F0E.7000903@brothersofchaos.com>
Message-ID: <678823f00911072119m15c66879tcb0745a2b7f77f84@mail.gmail.com>

I have a 2nd gen with latest software (3.1.2)- now has bluetooth and
always had a speaker. Microphone can be added with earphone upgrade.
So only thing I'm missing is GPS and the $$/month bill to ATT.

Allen Kiddoo

On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Matt Stanton
<inflatablesoulmate at brothersofchaos.com> wrote:
> I'm not sure what the differences are between the ipod touch 2nd gen and
> the iphone these days, but the ipod touch 1st gen didn't have the 3D
> graphics processing chip that the iphone has. ?Also, you're not going to
> have the obvious parts: ?GPS, Bluetooth, Speaker, Microphone...
>
> Chris R Kavanaugh wrote:
>> Hello
>> Sort of, it uses wifi signals to extrapolate its position within 50
>> feet or something like that. I mean google maps works well enough but
>> its no GPS replacement, especially when your not near a wifi signal.
>> Then its lost. My daughter and wife both have one and love them, they
>> are more mobile computer than ipod. And no monthly charge. Regards Chris
>>
>>
>> Christopher Ransom Kavanaugh
>> chris at kavanaughgallery.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 7, 2009, at 7:45 PM, mauri booton wrote:
>>
>>
>>> If I had a MiFi mobile WiFi to use with my iTouch, what couldn't I do
>>> with my iTouch that I could do with an iPhone? I already have a cell
>>> phone... so don't need to do the AT&T thing. I know the iTouch doesn't
>>> have the GPS chip ~ but do the apps that do that kind of processing
>>> also work with the triangulation information that Apple has developed?
>>> _______________________________________________
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From inflatablesoulmate at brothersofchaos.com  Sat Nov  7 23:30:03 2009
From: inflatablesoulmate at brothersofchaos.com (Matt Stanton)
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:30:03 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] MiFi & iTouch
In-Reply-To: <678823f00911072119m15c66879tcb0745a2b7f77f84@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7D371C49-B97A-4413-AEB1-86AD922866DE@me.com>	<BE9D8A67-44E9-4094-9DE7-C33FEAA39EF5@kavanaughgallery.com>	<4AF64F0E.7000903@brothersofchaos.com>
	<678823f00911072119m15c66879tcb0745a2b7f77f84@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AF6575B.7030901@brothersofchaos.com>

Nice.  I guess the earphone upgrade with mic you're talking about is a 
bluetooth deal, or do they have a special 1/8th" jack that has an extra 
conductor that is still compatible with a standard stereo headphone 
jack?  As far as the speaker is concerned, yeah, mine has the ability to 
make that little clicky noise, but I've never seen any option to play 
music or video sound out loud...  Maybe I just need to look through the 
options again.  My ipod touch is getting pretty old, and the battery no 
longer holds a charge for more than a few minutes.  I use it mainly in 
my car, hooked up to a cd player with a line in jack.  If I was rolling 
in money, I'd definitely get a new one.

Allen Kiddoo wrote:
> I have a 2nd gen with latest software (3.1.2)- now has bluetooth and
> always had a speaker. Microphone can be added with earphone upgrade.
> So only thing I'm missing is GPS and the $$/month bill to ATT.
>
> Allen Kiddoo
>
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Matt Stanton
> <inflatablesoulmate at brothersofchaos.com> wrote:
>   
>> I'm not sure what the differences are between the ipod touch 2nd gen and
>> the iphone these days, but the ipod touch 1st gen didn't have the 3D
>> graphics processing chip that the iphone has.  Also, you're not going to
>> have the obvious parts:  GPS, Bluetooth, Speaker, Microphone...
>>
>> Chris R Kavanaugh wrote:
>>     
>>> Hello
>>> Sort of, it uses wifi signals to extrapolate its position within 50
>>> feet or something like that. I mean google maps works well enough but
>>> its no GPS replacement, especially when your not near a wifi signal.
>>> Then its lost. My daughter and wife both have one and love them, they
>>> are more mobile computer than ipod. And no monthly charge. Regards Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> Christopher Ransom Kavanaugh
>>> chris at kavanaughgallery.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 7, 2009, at 7:45 PM, mauri booton wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> If I had a MiFi mobile WiFi to use with my iTouch, what couldn't I do
>>>> with my iTouch that I could do with an iPhone? I already have a cell
>>>> phone... so don't need to do the AT&T thing. I know the iTouch doesn't
>>>> have the GPS chip ~ but do the apps that do that kind of processing
>>>> also work with the triangulation information that Apple has developed?
>>>> _______________________________________________
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From adk at 52761.com  Sat Nov  7 23:44:10 2009
From: adk at 52761.com (Allen Kiddoo)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 23:44:10 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] MiFi & iTouch
In-Reply-To: <4AF6575B.7030901@brothersofchaos.com>
References: <7D371C49-B97A-4413-AEB1-86AD922866DE@me.com>
	<BE9D8A67-44E9-4094-9DE7-C33FEAA39EF5@kavanaughgallery.com>
	<4AF64F0E.7000903@brothersofchaos.com>
	<678823f00911072119m15c66879tcb0745a2b7f77f84@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AF6575B.7030901@brothersofchaos.com>
Message-ID: <678823f00911072144k22bf0e87tb46b02762d84d1f7@mail.gmail.com>

earphone has extra ring on plug for mike- bestbuy has them- about $35
if I remember right. I don't have one.
speaker will play any sound but quality is lowest of fi. Don't own
bluetooth headset-
so I can't comment on bluetooth and mike function.

Allen Kiddoo


On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 11:30 PM, Matt Stanton
<inflatablesoulmate at brothersofchaos.com> wrote:
> Nice. ?I guess the earphone upgrade with mic you're talking about is a
> bluetooth deal, or do they have a special 1/8th" jack that has an extra
> conductor that is still compatible with a standard stereo headphone
> jack? ?As far as the speaker is concerned, yeah, mine has the ability to
> make that little clicky noise, but I've never seen any option to play
> music or video sound out loud... ?Maybe I just need to look through the
> options again. ?My ipod touch is getting pretty old, and the battery no
> longer holds a charge for more than a few minutes. ?I use it mainly in
> my car, hooked up to a cd player with a line in jack. ?If I was rolling
> in money, I'd definitely get a new one.
>
> Allen Kiddoo wrote:
>> I have a 2nd gen with latest software (3.1.2)- now has bluetooth and
>> always had a speaker. Microphone can be added with earphone upgrade.
>> So only thing I'm missing is GPS and the $$/month bill to ATT.
>>
>> Allen Kiddoo
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Matt Stanton
>> <inflatablesoulmate at brothersofchaos.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not sure what the differences are between the ipod touch 2nd gen and
>>> the iphone these days, but the ipod touch 1st gen didn't have the 3D
>>> graphics processing chip that the iphone has. ?Also, you're not going to
>>> have the obvious parts: ?GPS, Bluetooth, Speaker, Microphone...
>>>
>>> Chris R Kavanaugh wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello
>>>> Sort of, it uses wifi signals to extrapolate its position within 50
>>>> feet or something like that. I mean google maps works well enough but
>>>> its no GPS replacement, especially when your not near a wifi signal.
>>>> Then its lost. My daughter and wife both have one and love them, they
>>>> are more mobile computer than ipod. And no monthly charge. Regards Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Christopher Ransom Kavanaugh
>>>> chris at kavanaughgallery.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 7, 2009, at 7:45 PM, mauri booton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> If I had a MiFi mobile WiFi to use with my iTouch, what couldn't I do
>>>>> with my iTouch that I could do with an iPhone? I already have a cell
>>>>> phone... so don't need to do the AT&T thing. I know the iTouch doesn't
>>>>> have the GPS chip ~ but do the apps that do that kind of processing
>>>>> also work with the triangulation information that Apple has developed?
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From newz at bearfruit.org  Sun Nov  8 08:13:14 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 08:13:14 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] MiFi & iTouch
In-Reply-To: <678823f00911072144k22bf0e87tb46b02762d84d1f7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7D371C49-B97A-4413-AEB1-86AD922866DE@me.com>
	<BE9D8A67-44E9-4094-9DE7-C33FEAA39EF5@kavanaughgallery.com>
	<4AF64F0E.7000903@brothersofchaos.com>
	<678823f00911072119m15c66879tcb0745a2b7f77f84@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AF6575B.7030901@brothersofchaos.com>
	<678823f00911072144k22bf0e87tb46b02762d84d1f7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080911080613q7b86834eqda8ca2630a97b14c@mail.gmail.com>

I bought the 3rd Gen ipod touch and it came with a wired stereo
headset w/ microphone. I don't need to use the bluetooth to use the
mic. I use it for skype calls and it works perfectly.

One thing the iPod touch doesn't have that an iPod does have is a
camera. Also, push notifications don't work the same on the iPod as
they do on the iPhone because the ipod has to be awake (w/ the screen
on) to get a push notification.

If you're a sprint customer (guessing from the fact that you're asking
about the mifi) you may want to consider getting one of the android
based phones. I have the Hero and it's a great phone. Not as good as
the iphone (plastic vs. glass/metal) but the internet is great, I get
excellent 3G/EV coverage, there are lots of developers adopting the
phone and the app store is growing daily. I think there is another
Android phone coming out any day now as well so you get to choose the
experience you want.

There's also the Palm Pre which is probably the most talked-about
smart phone in the developer community currently, and it's brand new,
lower priced sibling called the Pixie.

On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 11:44 PM, Allen Kiddoo <adk at 52761.com> wrote:
> earphone has extra ring on plug for mike- bestbuy has them- about $35
> if I remember right. I don't have one.
> speaker will play any sound but quality is lowest of fi. Don't own
> bluetooth headset-
> so I can't comment on bluetooth and mike function.
>
> Allen Kiddoo
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 11:30 PM, Matt Stanton
> <inflatablesoulmate at brothersofchaos.com> wrote:
>> Nice. ?I guess the earphone upgrade with mic you're talking about is a
>> bluetooth deal, or do they have a special 1/8th" jack that has an extra
>> conductor that is still compatible with a standard stereo headphone
>> jack? ?As far as the speaker is concerned, yeah, mine has the ability to
>> make that little clicky noise, but I've never seen any option to play
>> music or video sound out loud... ?Maybe I just need to look through the
>> options again. ?My ipod touch is getting pretty old, and the battery no
>> longer holds a charge for more than a few minutes. ?I use it mainly in
>> my car, hooked up to a cd player with a line in jack. ?If I was rolling
>> in money, I'd definitely get a new one.
>>
>> Allen Kiddoo wrote:
>>> I have a 2nd gen with latest software (3.1.2)- now has bluetooth and
>>> always had a speaker. Microphone can be added with earphone upgrade.
>>> So only thing I'm missing is GPS and the $$/month bill to ATT.
>>>
>>> Allen Kiddoo
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Matt Stanton
>>> <inflatablesoulmate at brothersofchaos.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm not sure what the differences are between the ipod touch 2nd gen and
>>>> the iphone these days, but the ipod touch 1st gen didn't have the 3D
>>>> graphics processing chip that the iphone has. ?Also, you're not going to
>>>> have the obvious parts: ?GPS, Bluetooth, Speaker, Microphone...
>>>>
>>>> Chris R Kavanaugh wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello
>>>>> Sort of, it uses wifi signals to extrapolate its position within 50
>>>>> feet or something like that. I mean google maps works well enough but
>>>>> its no GPS replacement, especially when your not near a wifi signal.
>>>>> Then its lost. My daughter and wife both have one and love them, they
>>>>> are more mobile computer than ipod. And no monthly charge. Regards Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Christopher Ransom Kavanaugh
>>>>> chris at kavanaughgallery.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 7, 2009, at 7:45 PM, mauri booton wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> If I had a MiFi mobile WiFi to use with my iTouch, what couldn't I do
>>>>>> with my iTouch that I could do with an iPhone? I already have a cell
>>>>>> phone... so don't need to do the AT&T thing. I know the iTouch doesn't
>>>>>> have the GPS chip ~ but do the apps that do that kind of processing
>>>>>> also work with the triangulation information that Apple has developed?
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From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 12 00:06:00 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:06:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [DM-MUG] 10.5
Message-ID: <1272.19367.qm@web110316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I was going to make a trip into the city--phoenix, as my work is sending me there for the day. I was going to make a detour after work to pick up 10.5 Leopard and also consider the upgrade for Snow leopard, but i can't seem to determine the price of 10.5 Leopard from the Apple Website. 

And the upgrades for Snow leopard seem to range from 49.99 to $229.99

I've been out of the buying loop for awhile. Can anyone clarify or offer insight? 

Thanks,
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From cwsmith7 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 07:05:39 2009
From: cwsmith7 at gmail.com (CW Smith)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:05:39 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] 10.5
In-Reply-To: <1272.19367.qm@web110316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1272.19367.qm@web110316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <58B62BE0-25FE-4225-8E4F-F959153C8033@gmail.com>

Leopard is out of print. Apple no longer sells it in their stores or online.

Used, and some "new old stock" copies are available through eBay, Amazon, FastMac, and the like, but the hoarders are grabbing all the copies they can find and driving the price through the roof. This happens every time a new Mac OS is released.

Leopard originally retailed for $129, and remained at that price until it was discontinued in October. You'll be very lucky to get it that cheap now.

Peace,
CW

---------------------------------------------------------

CW Smith
Windows & Macintosh service and repair
Apple Certified Macintosh Technician

Phone: (515) 577-1716
cwsmith7 at gmail.com

"Guitar, bass, percussion, Macintosh"
www.cwsmith.fm

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On Nov 12, 2009, at 12:06 AM, AB wrote:

> I was going to make a trip into the city--phoenix, as my work is sending me there for the day. I was going to make a detour after work to pick up 10.5 Leopard and also consider the upgrade for Snow leopard, but i can't seem to determine the price of 10.5 Leopard from the Apple Website. 
> 
> And the upgrades for Snow leopard seem to range from 49.99 to $229.99
> 
> I've been out of the buying loop for awhile. Can anyone clarify or offer insight? 
> 
> Thanks,
> -A.
> 
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From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 12 07:25:35 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 05:25:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [DM-MUG] 10.5
In-Reply-To: <58B62BE0-25FE-4225-8E4F-F959153C8033@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <478877.9922.qm@web110312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>


\\scratches head\\
I didn't think Snow Leopard had been out that long. They carried old OSes about 6 mo to a year after each new OS was released.

Thanks, CW.

-A.
--- On Thu, 11/12/09, CW Smith <cwsmith7 at gmail.com> wrote:
From: CW Smith <cwsmith7 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] 10.5
To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 6:05 AM

Leopard is out of print. Apple no longer sells it in their stores or online.
Used, and some "new old stock" copies are available through eBay, Amazon, FastMac, and the like, but the hoarders are grabbing all the copies they can find and driving the price through the roof. This happens every time a new Mac OS is released.
Leopard originally retailed for $129, and remained at that price until it was discontinued in October. You'll be very lucky to get it that cheap now.


Peace,CW
---------------------------------------------------------
CW SmithWindows & Macintosh service and repairApple Certified Macintosh Technician
Phone: (515) 577-1716cwsmith7 at gmail.com
"Guitar, bass, percussion, Macintosh"www.cwsmith.fm
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On Nov 12, 2009, at 12:06 AM, AB wrote:
I was going to make a trip into the city--phoenix, as my work is sending me there for the day. I was going to make a detour after work to pick up 10.5 Leopard and also consider the upgrade for Snow leopard, but i can't seem to determine the price of 10.5 Leopard from the Apple Website. 

And the upgrades for Snow leopard seem to range from 49.99 to $229.99

I've been out of the buying loop for awhile. Can anyone clarify or offer insight? 

Thanks,
-A.



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From jrgeerdes at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 07:55:55 2009
From: jrgeerdes at gmail.com (Jeremy Geerdes)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:55:55 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] 10.5
In-Reply-To: <478877.9922.qm@web110312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <478877.9922.qm@web110312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <37A6910E-4BCC-4317-B78E-4BF637E41EF6@gmail.com>

I believe that, if you have 10.4, you can upgrade to 10.6 with the box  
set, which includes 10.6, iLife 09, and iWork. At least, that's what  
Apple recommends on their site. Check it out at the link below:

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC209Z/A

Rev. Jeremy R. Geerdes, Pastor
Debra Heights Wesleyan Church
4025 Lower Beaver Rd.
Des Moines, IA 50310
http://www.debraheightswesleyan.org

p/f: (515) 279-5212
h: (515) 277-7491
jgeerdes at debraheightswesleyan.org
jgeerdes.wordpress.com




On Nov 12, 2009, at 7:25 AM, AB wrote:

>
> \\scratches head\\
> I didn't think Snow Leopard had been out that long. They carried old  
> OSes about 6 mo to a year after each new OS was released.
>
> Thanks, CW.
>
> -A.
> --- On Thu, 11/12/09, CW Smith <cwsmith7 at gmail.com> wrote:
> From: CW Smith <cwsmith7 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] 10.5
> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 6:05 AM
>
> Leopard is out of print. Apple no longer sells it in their stores or  
> online.
>
> Used, and some "new old stock" copies are available through eBay,  
> Amazon, FastMac, and the like, but the hoarders are grabbing all the  
> copies they can find and driving the price through the roof. This  
> happens every time a new Mac OS is released.
>
> Leopard originally retailed for $129, and remained at that price  
> until it was discontinued in October. You'll be very lucky to get it  
> that cheap now.
>
> Peace,
> CW
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>
> CW Smith
> Windows & Macintosh service and repair
> Apple Certified Macintosh Technician
>
> Phone: (515) 577-1716
> cwsmith7 at gmail.com
>
> "Guitar, bass, percussion, Macintosh"
> www.cwsmith.fm
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 12, 2009, at 12:06 AM, AB wrote:
>
>> I was going to make a trip into the city--phoenix, as my work is  
>> sending me there for the day. I was going to make a detour after  
>> work to pick up 10.5 Leopard and also consider the upgrade for Snow  
>> leopard, but i can't seem to determine the price of 10.5 Leopard  
>> from the Apple Website.
>>
>> And the upgrades for Snow leopard seem to range from 49.99 to $229.99
>>
>> I've been out of the buying loop for awhile. Can anyone clarify or  
>> offer insight?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -A.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 12 08:06:13 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 06:06:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [DM-MUG] 10.5
In-Reply-To: <37A6910E-4BCC-4317-B78E-4BF637E41EF6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <623317.2648.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Thanks. 
Their site wasn't very clear. http://www.apple.com/macboxset/requirements.html
I ended up looking here: http://www.apple.com/macosx/specs.html

I forgot they sold the OS and the OS with all the iLife/iWork apps. I was just remembering the other DMMUG topics and probably just confused myself. 

It's 7:00 AM here, and I've not got much sleep. I don't think anyone ought to wake up before 10:00... Much obliged!

-A.


--- On Thu, 11/12/09, Jeremy Geerdes <jrgeerdes at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Jeremy Geerdes <jrgeerdes at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] 10.5
To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 6:55 AM

I believe that, if you have 10.4, you can upgrade to 10.6 with the box set, which includes 10.6, iLife 09, and iWork. At least, that's what Apple recommends on their site. Check it out at the link below:
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC209Z/A
 
Rev. Jeremy R. Geerdes, PastorDebra Heights Wesleyan Church4025 Lower Beaver Rd.Des Moines, IA 50310http://www.debraheightswesleyan.org
p/f: (515) 279-5212h: (515) 277-7491jgeerdes at debraheightswesleyan.orgjgeerdes.wordpress.com


 
On Nov 12, 2009, at 7:25 AM, AB wrote:

\\scratches head\\
I didn't think Snow Leopard had been out that long. They carried old OSes about 6 mo to a year after each new OS was released.

Thanks, CW.

-A.
--- On Thu, 11/12/09, CW Smith <cwsmith7 at gmail.com> wrote:
From: CW Smith <cwsmith7 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] 10.5
To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 6:05 AM

Leopard is out of print. Apple no longer sells it in their stores or online.
Used, and some "new old stock" copies are available through eBay, Amazon, FastMac, and the like, but the hoarders are grabbing all the copies they can find and driving the price through the roof. This happens every time a new Mac OS is released.
Leopard originally retailed for $129, and remained at that price until it was discontinued in October. You'll be very lucky to get it that cheap now.
 
Peace,CW
---------------------------------------------------------
CW SmithWindows & Macintosh service and repairApple Certified Macintosh Technician
Phone: (515) 577-1716cwsmith7 at gmail.com
"Guitar, bass, percussion, Macintosh"www.cwsmith.fm
---------------------------------------------------------



  
On Nov 12, 2009, at 12:06 AM, AB wrote:
I was going to make a trip into the city--phoenix, as my work is sending me there for the day. I was going to make a detour after work to pick up 10.5 Leopard and also consider the upgrade for Snow leopard, but i can't seem to determine the price of 10.5 Leopard from the Apple Website. 

And the upgrades for Snow leopard seem to range from 49.99 to $229.99

I've been out of the buying loop for awhile. Can anyone clarify or offer insight? 

Thanks,
-A.

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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Thu Nov 12 12:21:45 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 12:21:45 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] slow email MCHSI to DOT MAC?
In-Reply-To: <261500.46208.qm@web110304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <261500.46208.qm@web110304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p06240806c7220279d5cd@[10.0.1.192]>

I'll pass this along but GroupM is not the parent co. == Mediacom is 
it's own NY company =- I think the website is mediacomcc.com ....

>Try plain text format and setting mail encoding (language) options 
>to ISO Western/Western European or Unicode UTF-8. Different language 
>settings can slow down or even bounce a message back.
>
>I'd check and set the mail encoding (language) settings to be the 
>same if they aren't already, on both Mediacom and .Mac mail 
>accounts. Not sure if that helps any. I'm not sure where the feature 
>is on either Mediacom nor .Mac preferences and settings. Group M is 
>Mediacom's parent company. http://www.groupm.com/output/Page7.asp in 
>case you want to report the problem higher up.
>
>I use Entourage, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Yahoo has a slight delay at times.

-- 
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http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Thu Nov 12 12:38:08 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 12:38:08 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Email Return Receipt / Mail Read
In-Reply-To: <3effba680911061031m2f57a310va382f08aa1a14e43@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2975C186-EFA7-4915-8D4E-3D4E910F12FD@me.com>
	<3effba680911061031m2f57a310va382f08aa1a14e43@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p0624080ac7220677c578@[10.0.1.192]>

>Read receipts are not worth paying any service for, as there is no
>guarantee that the user at the other end will return it

I hate them and rarely click on the button.
-- 
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http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Thu Nov 12 12:40:37 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 12:40:37 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] MiFi & iTouch
In-Reply-To: <678823f00911072119m15c66879tcb0745a2b7f77f84@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7D371C49-B97A-4413-AEB1-86AD922866DE@me.com>
	<BE9D8A67-44E9-4094-9DE7-C33FEAA39EF5@kavanaughgallery.com>
	<4AF64F0E.7000903@brothersofchaos.com>
	<678823f00911072119m15c66879tcb0745a2b7f77f84@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p0624080bc72206cdd975@[10.0.1.192]>

>I have a 2nd gen with latest software (3.1.2)- now has bluetooth and
>always had a speaker. Microphone can be added with earphone upgrade.
>So only thing I'm missing is GPS and the $$/month bill to ATT.

When friends ask, I often suggest they get the iPod Touch/iTouch 
because it's all they may need/want/use unless they do want to switch 
carriers.  And with the wifi ability, you do have the best of both 
worlds = I do love my iPhone and use it alot and would never go back, 
but most people probably don't mind carrying two things and if so and 
if they don't want to go to ATT, that's fine...I want them inthe 
Apple Tent anyway.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Thu Nov 12 12:48:20 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 12:48:20 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Well, people thinking of Verizon Renewals might read...
Message-ID: <p0624080ec72208382e8e@[10.0.1.192]>

>From: NYTimes.com <nytdirect at nytimes.com>
>
><http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/12/technology/personaltech/12pogue-email.html?8cir&emc=cira1>Verizon: 
>How Much Do You Charge Now?
>
>
>			By DAVID POGUE
>
>
>Starting next week, Verizon will double the early-termination fee 
>for smartphones. That is, if you get a BlackBerry, Android or 
>similar phone from Verizon, and you decide to switch phones before 
>your two-year contract is up, you'll be socked with a $350 penalty 
>(it used to be $175).
>
>This fee drops slowly over time ($10 a month), but after two years, 
>it's still $110. If the premise of the early-termination fee is to 
>help Verizon recoup its original cost of the phone (see my analysis 
>here <http://bit.ly/pOkXz>http://bit.ly/pOkXz), shouldn't the fee go 
>down to zero at the end of your contract?.....
>
>Here's one example, from a Verizon customer:
>
"David, I read your posts about how the cell carriers are eating up 
our airtime with those 15-second 'To page this person, press 5' 
instructions, but I think Verizon has a bigger scam going on: 
charging for bogus data downloads.  "Virtually every bill I get has a 
couple of erroneous data charges at $1.99 each--yet we download no 
data.  "Here's how it works. ....
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].
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From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 13 00:28:14 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:28:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [DM-MUG] The Apple Store Experience
In-Reply-To: <623317.2648.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <711405.46209.qm@web110302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I'm no longer in the dark ages. I bought Snow Leopard and found out the company I work for has a partnership with Apple. I saved 17% on the 10.6 Box Set it, which I was pleasantly surprised. So here goes... Tomorrow my computer gets some TLC and a make over. Hopefully with no hiccups. Though, I can't say I was terribly impressed with the batch of employees' overall lack of product knowledge on this occasion. He initially told me I could buy the upgrade for Tiger. I asked the sales person just to make sure before I spent that much for a disk. I had to ask him and point out the website wasn't as straight forward as what it could be three times before he finally went to go ask someone else. I thought I was going to have to actually pull up the specs of each on the website. Especially knowing Apple formerly required a certain level of Sales training to be passed, through their website, for everyone they employ or any authorized Apple reseller. 

-A.

--- On Thu, 11/12/09, AB <anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: AB <anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] 10.5
To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 7:06 AM

Thanks. 
Their site wasn't very clear. http://www.apple.com/macboxset/requirements.html
I ended up looking here: http://www.apple.com/macosx/specs.html

I forgot they sold the OS and the OS with all the iLife/iWork apps. I was just remembering the other DMMUG topics and probably just confused myself. 

It's 7:00 AM here, and I've not got much sleep. I don't think anyone ought to wake up before 10:00... Much obliged!

-A.


--- On Thu, 11/12/09, Jeremy Geerdes <jrgeerdes at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Jeremy Geerdes <jrgeerdes at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] 10.5
To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 6:55 AM

I
 believe that, if you have 10.4, you can upgrade to 10.6 with the box set, which includes 10.6, iLife 09, and iWork. At least, that's what Apple recommends on their site. Check it out at the link below:
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC209Z/A
 
Rev. Jeremy R. Geerdes, PastorDebra Heights
 Wesleyan Church4025 Lower Beaver Rd.Des Moines, IA 50310http://www.debraheightswesleyan.org
p/f: (515) 279-5212h: (515) 277-7491jgeerdes at debraheightswesleyan.orgjgeerdes.wordpress.com


 
On Nov 12, 2009, at 7:25 AM, AB wrote:

\\scratches head\\
I didn't think Snow Leopard had been out
 that long. They carried old OSes about 6 mo to a year after each new OS was released.

Thanks, CW.

-A.
--- On Thu, 11/12/09, CW Smith <cwsmith7 at gmail.com> wrote:
From: CW Smith <cwsmith7 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] 10.5
To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 6:05 AM

Leopard is out of print. Apple no longer sells it in their stores or online.
Used, and some "new old stock" copies are available through eBay, Amazon, FastMac, and the like, but the hoarders are grabbing all the copies they can find and driving the price through the roof. This happens every time a new Mac OS is released.
Leopard originally retailed for $129, and remained at that price until it was discontinued in October. You'll be very lucky to get it that cheap now.
 
Peace,CW
---------------------------------------------------------
CW SmithWindows & Macintosh service and repairApple Certified Macintosh Technician
Phone: (515) 577-1716cwsmith7 at gmail.com
"Guitar, bass, percussion, Macintosh"www.cwsmith.fm
---------------------------------------------------------



  
On Nov 12, 2009, at 12:06 AM, AB wrote:
I was going to make a
 trip into the city--phoenix, as my work is sending me there for the day. I was going to make a detour after work to pick up 10.5 Leopard and also consider the upgrade for Snow leopard, but i can't seem to determine the price of 10.5 Leopard from the Apple Website. 

And the upgrades for Snow leopard seem to range from 49.99 to $229.99

I've been out of the buying loop for awhile. Can anyone clarify or offer insight? 

Thanks,
-A.






      
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From jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com  Fri Nov 13 08:53:35 2009
From: jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:53:35 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] The Apple Store Experience
In-Reply-To: <711405.46209.qm@web110302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <623317.2648.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<711405.46209.qm@web110302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <865f37f30911130653w44ddcddbs13aa181fad844da2@mail.gmail.com>

Technically, the salespeople were right. You _can_ buy the upgrade and use
it on Tiger. There is nothing technically stopping you. However, legally
(and possibly ethically, depending on your thoughts on software licenses,)
you cannot without violating the upgrade license in the inexpensive
version.

I've seen similar indiscretions at the Apple Store in regards to Microsoft's
Student and Teacher edition being sold to people that are neither students
nor teachers. Microsoft has made this more available now, by licensing it
for "Home and Students."

-- 
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Evolve
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From jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com  Fri Nov 13 08:30:26 2009
From: jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:30:26 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] The Apple Store Experience
In-Reply-To: <711405.46209.qm@web110302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <623317.2648.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<711405.46209.qm@web110302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <865f37f30911130630hc4c3669vdaa32229b3289539@mail.gmail.com>

Technically, the salespeople were right. You _can_ buy the upgrade and use
it on Tiger. There is nothing technically stopping you. However, legally
(and possibly ethically, depending on your thoughts on software licenses,)
you cannot without violating the upgrade license in the inexpensive
version.

I've seen similar indiscretions at the Apple Store in regards to Microsoft's
Student and Teacher edition being sold to people that are neither students
nor teachers. Microsoft has made this more available now, by licensing it
for "Home and Students."
-- 
Jon Thompson
Evolve
www.dmevolve.com


On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 12:28 AM, AB <anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I'm no longer in the dark ages. I bought Snow Leopard and found out the
> company I work for has a partnership with Apple. I saved 17% on the 10.6 Box
> Set it, which I was pleasantly surprised. So here goes... Tomorrow my
> computer gets some TLC and a make over. Hopefully with no hiccups. Though, I
> can't say I was terribly impressed with the batch of employees' overall lack
> of product knowledge on this occasion. He initially told me I could buy the
> upgrade for Tiger. I asked the sales person just to make sure before I spent
> that much for a disk. I had to ask him and point out the website wasn't as
> straight forward as what it could be three times before he finally went to
> go ask someone else. I thought I was going to have to actually pull up the
> specs of each on the website. Especially knowing Apple formerly required a
> certain level of Sales training to be passed, through their website, for
> everyone they employ or any authorized Apple reseller.
>
> -A.
>
> --- On *Thu, 11/12/09, AB <anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com>* wrote:
>
> From: AB <anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] 10.5
> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 7:06 AM
>
> Thanks.
> Their site wasn't very clear.
> http://www.apple.com/macboxset/requirements.html
> I ended up looking here: http://www.apple.com/macosx/specs.html
>
> I forgot they sold the OS and the OS with all the iLife/iWork apps. I was
> just remembering the other DMMUG topics and probably just confused myself.
>
> It's 7:00 AM here, and I've not got much sleep. I don't think anyone ought
> to wake up before 10:00... Much obliged!
>
> -A.
>
>
> --- On *Thu, 11/12/09, Jeremy Geerdes <jrgeerdes at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
> From: Jeremy Geerdes <jrgeerdes at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] 10.5
> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 6:55 AM
>
> I believe that, if you have 10.4, you can upgrade to 10.6 with the box set,
> which includes 10.6, iLife 09, and iWork. At least, that's what Apple
> recommends on their site. Check it out at the link below:
>
> http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC209Z/A
>
> Rev. Jeremy R. Geerdes, Pastor
> Debra Heights Wesleyan Church
> 4025 Lower Beaver Rd.
> Des Moines, IA 50310
> http://www.debraheightswesleyan.org
>
> p/f: (515) 279-5212
> h: (515) 277-7491
> jgeerdes at debraheightswesleyan.org
> jgeerdes.wordpress.com
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 12, 2009, at 7:25 AM, AB wrote:
>
>
> \\scratches head\\
> I didn't think Snow Leopard had been out that long. They carried old OSes
> about 6 mo to a year after each new OS was released.
>
> Thanks, CW.
>
> -A.
> --- On *Thu, 11/12/09, CW Smith <cwsmith7 at gmail.com>* wrote:
> From: CW Smith <cwsmith7 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] 10.5
> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 6:05 AM
>
> Leopard is out of print. Apple no longer sells it in their stores or
> online.
> Used, and some "new old stock" copies are available through eBay, Amazon,
> FastMac, and the like, but the hoarders are grabbing all the copies they can
> find and driving the price through the roof. This happens every time a new
> Mac OS is released.
> Leopard originally retailed for $129, and remained at that price until it
> was discontinued in October. You'll be very lucky to get it that cheap now.
>
> Peace,
> CW
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>
> CW Smith
> Windows & Macintosh service and repair
> Apple Certified Macintosh Technician
>
> Phone: (515) 577-1716
> cwsmith7 at gmail.com
>
> "Guitar, bass, percussion, Macintosh"
> www.cwsmith.fm
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 12, 2009, at 12:06 AM, AB wrote:
> I was going to make a trip into the city--phoenix, as my work is sending me
> there for the day. I was going to make a detour after work to pick up 10.5
> Leopard and also consider the upgrade for Snow leopard, but i can't seem to
> determine the price of 10.5 Leopard from the Apple Website.
>
> And the upgrades for Snow leopard seem to range from 49.99 to $229.99
>
> I've been out of the buying loop for awhile. Can anyone clarify or offer
> insight?
>
> Thanks,
> -A.
>
> <http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug>
>
>
>
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From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 11:23:23 2009
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 11:23:23 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Well, people thinking of Verizon Renewals might read...
Message-ID: <ddf6f4ca0911130923i39bcfd28tc36da02226179546@mail.gmail.com>

-- 
Brian Wood
Ebenezer Enterprises
http://www.webEbenezer.net

"The kingdom of heaven is like a treasure hidden
in the field, which a man found and hid again;
and from joy over it he goes and sells all that
he has and buys that field."

From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 11:33:32 2009
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 11:33:32 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Well, people thinking of Verizon Renewals might read...
Message-ID: <ddf6f4ca0911130933o124dca79r596534122177b2b0@mail.gmail.com>

I had a bad experience with Verizon Wireless a few years
ago as a contract programmer.  I wrote about it hear
http://webEbenezer.net/snakes .  I'm not surprised to
hear that they suck in a variety of different ways.

-- 
Brian Wood
Ebenezer Enterprises
http://www.webEbenezer.net

From newz at bearfruit.org  Mon Nov 16 08:34:01 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:34:01 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] recipe organizer, cross platform
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080911160634m2cf53f26y6b25c873988950e2@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, do you know of a tool that is good for organizing recipes that
works well on Windows and Mac OS? It is for my wife. She currently
uses MS Publisher. It's big flaw is that it's platform specific. Also
it has no way to categorize recipes except by folders and therefore
you basically choose one category per recipe. I'd prefer something low
cost or free or even open source. She'd prefer something that lets you
use different colours and fonts and maybe clipart but I don't think
she's strongly attached to this feature.

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter

From cwsmith7 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 08:38:02 2009
From: cwsmith7 at gmail.com (CW Smith)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:38:02 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] recipe organizer, cross platform
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4080911160634m2cf53f26y6b25c873988950e2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f3c0b4080911160634m2cf53f26y6b25c873988950e2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B07D6C96-49F0-4B22-B1C3-290B665D9F66@gmail.com>

A quick Google search brought up this one:

Cuisine by Inaka Software - $19.95 shareware

Haven't used it myself, but it seems to meet most of your criteria.

Peace,
CW

---------------------------------------------------------

CW Smith
Windows & Macintosh service and repair
Apple Certified Macintosh Technician

Phone: (515) 577-1716
cwsmith7 at gmail.com

"Guitar, bass, percussion, Macintosh"
www.cwsmith.fm

---------------------------------------------------------





On Nov 16, 2009, at 8:34 AM, Matthew Nuzum wrote:

> Hi, do you know of a tool that is good for organizing recipes that
> works well on Windows and Mac OS? It is for my wife. She currently
> uses MS Publisher. It's big flaw is that it's platform specific. Also
> it has no way to categorize recipes except by folders and therefore
> you basically choose one category per recipe. I'd prefer something low
> cost or free or even open source. She'd prefer something that lets you
> use different colours and fonts and maybe clipart but I don't think
> she's strongly attached to this feature.
> 
> -- 
> Matthew Nuzum
> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
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From jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com  Mon Nov 16 08:41:16 2009
From: jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:41:16 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] recipe organizer, cross platform
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4080911160634m2cf53f26y6b25c873988950e2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f3c0b4080911160634m2cf53f26y6b25c873988950e2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <865f37f30911160641k79decc3fn7dc749aa1d710fb3@mail.gmail.com>

If you want Mac-only (I know the question is cross-platform, but am adding
this for other people that may be interested) you should check out SousChef
http://acaciatreesoftware.com/. It's hands-down the best Mac Recipe software
around.

Otherwise, I suggest using a website, such as allrecipes.com. Because it is
web-based, it is virtually guaranteed to be cross-platform (it is.) Also, it
allows you to "bring your recipes along" if you want to share them with a
friend.
-- 
Jon Thompson
Evolve
www.dmevolve.com


On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:

> Hi, do you know of a tool that is good for organizing recipes that
> works well on Windows and Mac OS? It is for my wife. She currently
> uses MS Publisher. It's big flaw is that it's platform specific. Also
> it has no way to categorize recipes except by folders and therefore
> you basically choose one category per recipe. I'd prefer something low
> cost or free or even open source. She'd prefer something that lets you
> use different colours and fonts and maybe clipart but I don't think
> she's strongly attached to this feature.
>
> --
> Matthew Nuzum
> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
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From kristau at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 08:42:07 2009
From: kristau at gmail.com (kristau)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:42:07 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] recipe organizer, cross platform
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4080911160634m2cf53f26y6b25c873988950e2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f3c0b4080911160634m2cf53f26y6b25c873988950e2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3effba680911160642t69f16f1cv95c26f96ba054e10@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:
> Hi, do you know of a tool that is good for organizing recipes that
> works well on Windows and Mac OS? It is for my wife. She currently
> uses MS Publisher. It's big flaw is that it's platform specific. Also
> it has no way to categorize recipes except by folders and therefore
> you basically choose one category per recipe. I'd prefer something low
> cost or free or even open source. She'd prefer something that lets you
> use different colours and fonts and maybe clipart but I don't think
> she's strongly attached to this feature.
>
> --
> Matthew Nuzum
> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter

I've been using ReciPants installed on a Linux server at home. It
isn't fancy (no fonts or clipart), but it works well and it does have
categories and search capabilities.

The project isn't being actively updated, but the latest version works
fine for us. Oh, and it is FOSS.

We also use AllRecipes.com quite a bit.

later,
kristau

From rbowler at mchsi.com  Mon Nov 16 22:20:52 2009
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:20:52 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] import from HI-8 video camera
Message-ID: <6CD211FF-1510-4895-8CE5-6C5520F19393@mchsi.com>

My son-in-law has an HI-8 video camera which has no USB output. Output  
seems to be a pair of audio-visual ports. I loaned him a Griffin  
adapter which I used for importing my vinyl records but I doubt that  
it will work. Any ideas will be appreciated.

Ray Bowler

rbowler.home.mchsi.com




From alan.maupin at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 23:16:20 2009
From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:16:20 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] import from HI-8 video camera
In-Reply-To: <6CD211FF-1510-4895-8CE5-6C5520F19393@mchsi.com>
References: <6CD211FF-1510-4895-8CE5-6C5520F19393@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <666A31BC-C0D4-4408-BE58-B18223467805@gmail.com>

I have a device that will capture video from any analog source with RCA jack output.


On Nov 16, 2009, at 10:20 PM, Ray Bowler wrote:

> My son-in-law has an HI-8 video camera which has no USB output. Output  
> seems to be a pair of audio-visual ports. I loaned him a Griffin  
> adapter which I used for importing my vinyl records but I doubt that  
> it will work. Any ideas will be appreciated.
> 
> Ray Bowler
> 
> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
> 
> 
> 
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From thorgrim at imaginarytower.org  Mon Nov 16 23:17:55 2009
From: thorgrim at imaginarytower.org (David McLaughlin)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:17:55 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] import from HI-8 video camera
In-Reply-To: <6CD211FF-1510-4895-8CE5-6C5520F19393@mchsi.com>
References: <6CD211FF-1510-4895-8CE5-6C5520F19393@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <7D711FD0-EF63-4BBC-AF87-DDD6068D8E1B@imaginarytower.org>

> My son-in-law has an HI-8 video camera which has no USB output.

Find someone with a video camera that has firewire and borrow it to do  
the importing.

Dave McLaughlin

From rbowler at mchsi.com  Tue Nov 17 08:38:58 2009
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 08:38:58 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] import from HI-8 video camera
In-Reply-To: <7D711FD0-EF63-4BBC-AF87-DDD6068D8E1B@imaginarytower.org>
References: <6CD211FF-1510-4895-8CE5-6C5520F19393@mchsi.com>
	<7D711FD0-EF63-4BBC-AF87-DDD6068D8E1B@imaginarytower.org>
Message-ID: <46BD6FA6-A356-4F60-A0AE-9643A83585B6@mchsi.com>

David,

The HI-8 cartridge will not fit into any other device.

Ray

On Nov 16, 2009, at Nov 16, 200911:17 PM, David McLaughlin wrote:

>> My son-in-law has an HI-8 video camera which has no USB output.
>
> Find someone with a video camera that has firewire and borrow it to do
> the importing.
>
> Dave McLaughlin
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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Tue Nov 17 08:40:59 2009
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 08:40:59 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] import from HI-8 video camera
In-Reply-To: <666A31BC-C0D4-4408-BE58-B18223467805@gmail.com>
References: <6CD211FF-1510-4895-8CE5-6C5520F19393@mchsi.com>
	<666A31BC-C0D4-4408-BE58-B18223467805@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8772534F-5393-4517-89CC-01EF3024BD25@mchsi.com>

Alan,

What is the name of the device? Where could he get one? How much would  
it cost?

Ray

On Nov 16, 2009, at Nov 16, 200911:16 PM, Alan Maupin wrote:

> I have a device that will capture video from any analog source with  
> RCA jack output.
>
>
> On Nov 16, 2009, at 10:20 PM, Ray Bowler wrote:
>
>> My son-in-law has an HI-8 video camera which has no USB output.  
>> Output
>> seems to be a pair of audio-visual ports. I loaned him a Griffin
>> adapter which I used for importing my vinyl records but I doubt that
>> it will work. Any ideas will be appreciated.
>>
>> Ray Bowler
>>
>> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From newz at bearfruit.org  Tue Nov 17 09:15:32 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 09:15:32 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] import from HI-8 video camera
In-Reply-To: <8772534F-5393-4517-89CC-01EF3024BD25@mchsi.com>
References: <6CD211FF-1510-4895-8CE5-6C5520F19393@mchsi.com>
	<666A31BC-C0D4-4408-BE58-B18223467805@gmail.com>
	<8772534F-5393-4517-89CC-01EF3024BD25@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080911170715h2ea38d12i1f0642487b179e44@mail.gmail.com>

The trick may be finding one that is Mac OS compatible. There are
quite a few listed here, not sure which will work with Mac OS though:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/category/category_slc.asp?CatId=1428&name=USB-Video-Capture-Devices&

What you're looking for is USB Video Capture. If you have bootcamp or
a windows XP pc the least expensive device with the RCA inputs will
work.

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Ray Bowler <rbowler at mchsi.com> wrote:
> Alan,
>
> What is the name of the device? Where could he get one? How much would
> it cost?
>
> Ray
>
> On Nov 16, 2009, at Nov 16, 200911:16 PM, Alan Maupin wrote:
>
>> I have a device that will capture video from any analog source with
>> RCA jack output.
>>
>>
>> On Nov 16, 2009, at 10:20 PM, Ray Bowler wrote:
>>
>>> My son-in-law has an HI-8 video camera which has no USB output.
>>> Output
>>> seems to be a pair of audio-visual ports. I loaned him a Griffin
>>> adapter which I used for importing my vinyl records but I doubt that
>>> it will work. Any ideas will be appreciated.
>>>
>>> Ray Bowler
>>>
>>> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> DMMUG mailing list
>>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>>> DMMUG at dmmug.org
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>>
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>
> Ray Bowler
>
> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>
>
>
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-- 
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From alan.maupin at gmail.com  Tue Nov 17 09:18:21 2009
From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 09:18:21 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] import from HI-8 video camera
In-Reply-To: <8772534F-5393-4517-89CC-01EF3024BD25@mchsi.com>
References: <6CD211FF-1510-4895-8CE5-6C5520F19393@mchsi.com>
	<666A31BC-C0D4-4408-BE58-B18223467805@gmail.com>
	<8772534F-5393-4517-89CC-01EF3024BD25@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <E1B417F3-F28A-40E6-8FB4-249940A49BC0@gmail.com>

Ray,

The device is a Sony PD170 Video Camera with analog inputs to firewire transcode.  The camera was about 4k new, not sure what its going for now.  Essentially, you plug the analog output RCA jacks from the HI-8 camera into the Sony PD170.  Then run the firewire cable to a Mac or PC with a video capture program.  I use Final Cut Pro.  The Sony PD170 transcodes the HI-8 footage to digital using its high quality internal codec.  The video is captured to Final Cut Pro where it can be edited or converted to whatever format you are interested in.  Please give me a call if you are interested, at 515.867.4376.  

Thanks
alan



On Nov 17, 2009, at 8:40 AM, Ray Bowler wrote:

> Alan,
> 
> What is the name of the device? Where could he get one? How much would  
> it cost?
> 
> Ray
> 
> On Nov 16, 2009, at Nov 16, 200911:16 PM, Alan Maupin wrote:
> 
>> I have a device that will capture video from any analog source with  
>> RCA jack output.
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 16, 2009, at 10:20 PM, Ray Bowler wrote:
>> 
>>> My son-in-law has an HI-8 video camera which has no USB output.  
>>> Output
>>> seems to be a pair of audio-visual ports. I loaned him a Griffin
>>> adapter which I used for importing my vinyl records but I doubt that
>>> it will work. Any ideas will be appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Ray Bowler
>>> 
>>> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> DMMUG mailing list
>>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>>> DMMUG at dmmug.org
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>> 
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> 
> Ray Bowler
> 
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> 
> 
> 
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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Tue Nov 17 10:10:56 2009
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 10:10:56 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] import from HI-8 video camera
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4080911170715h2ea38d12i1f0642487b179e44@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6CD211FF-1510-4895-8CE5-6C5520F19393@mchsi.com>
	<666A31BC-C0D4-4408-BE58-B18223467805@gmail.com>
	<8772534F-5393-4517-89CC-01EF3024BD25@mchsi.com>
	<f3c0b4080911170715h2ea38d12i1f0642487b179e44@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EDC16144-9C4B-45C2-B8A7-9A76119DF4C5@mchsi.com>

Matthew,

Thanks. These all seem to be Windows only so installing Windows would  
be necessary.

Ray

On Nov 17, 2009, at Nov 17, 20099:15 AM, Matthew Nuzum wrote:

> The trick may be finding one that is Mac OS compatible. There are
> quite a few listed here, not sure which will work with Mac OS though:
> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/category/category_slc.asp?CatId=1428&name=USB-Video-Capture-Devices&
>
> What you're looking for is USB Video Capture. If you have bootcamp or
> a windows XP pc the least expensive device with the RCA inputs will
> work.
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Ray Bowler <rbowler at mchsi.com> wrote:
>> Alan,
>>
>> What is the name of the device? Where could he get one? How much  
>> would
>> it cost?
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> On Nov 16, 2009, at Nov 16, 200911:16 PM, Alan Maupin wrote:
>>
>>> I have a device that will capture video from any analog source with
>>> RCA jack output.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 16, 2009, at 10:20 PM, Ray Bowler wrote:
>>>
>>>> My son-in-law has an HI-8 video camera which has no USB output.
>>>> Output
>>>> seems to be a pair of audio-visual ports. I loaned him a Griffin
>>>> adapter which I used for importing my vinyl records but I doubt  
>>>> that
>>>> it will work. Any ideas will be appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> Ray Bowler
>>>>
>>>> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> DMMUG mailing list
>>>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>>>> DMMUG at dmmug.org
>>>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>> Ray Bowler
>>
>> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
>
> -- 
> Matthew Nuzum
> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
> _______________________________________________
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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Tue Nov 17 10:14:15 2009
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 10:14:15 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] import from HI-8 video camera
In-Reply-To: <E1B417F3-F28A-40E6-8FB4-249940A49BC0@gmail.com>
References: <6CD211FF-1510-4895-8CE5-6C5520F19393@mchsi.com>
	<666A31BC-C0D4-4408-BE58-B18223467805@gmail.com>
	<8772534F-5393-4517-89CC-01EF3024BD25@mchsi.com>
	<E1B417F3-F28A-40E6-8FB4-249940A49BC0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <62AAB10D-36BD-4D54-BD90-3E9D1326BA43@mchsi.com>

Alan,

Thanks for the info. He can't afford to spend a lot so there are  
limits on what he will do. I'll talk to him about this.

Ray

On Nov 17, 2009, at Nov 17, 20099:18 AM, Alan Maupin wrote:

> Ray,
>
> The device is a Sony PD170 Video Camera with analog inputs to  
> firewire transcode.  The camera was about 4k new, not sure what its  
> going for now.  Essentially, you plug the analog output RCA jacks  
> from the HI-8 camera into the Sony PD170.  Then run the firewire  
> cable to a Mac or PC with a video capture program.  I use Final Cut  
> Pro.  The Sony PD170 transcodes the HI-8 footage to digital using  
> its high quality internal codec.  The video is captured to Final Cut  
> Pro where it can be edited or converted to whatever format you are  
> interested in.  Please give me a call if you are interested, at  
> 515.867.4376.
>
> Thanks
> alan
>
>
>
> On Nov 17, 2009, at 8:40 AM, Ray Bowler wrote:
>
>> Alan,
>>
>> What is the name of the device? Where could he get one? How much  
>> would
>> it cost?
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> On Nov 16, 2009, at Nov 16, 200911:16 PM, Alan Maupin wrote:
>>
>>> I have a device that will capture video from any analog source with
>>> RCA jack output.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 16, 2009, at 10:20 PM, Ray Bowler wrote:
>>>
>>>> My son-in-law has an HI-8 video camera which has no USB output.
>>>> Output
>>>> seems to be a pair of audio-visual ports. I loaned him a Griffin
>>>> adapter which I used for importing my vinyl records but I doubt  
>>>> that
>>>> it will work. Any ideas will be appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> Ray Bowler
>>>>
>>>> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> DMMUG mailing list
>>>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>>>> DMMUG at dmmug.org
>>>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>>> DMMUG at dmmug.org
>>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>>
>> Ray Bowler
>>
>> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> DMMUG mailing list
>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>> DMMUG at dmmug.org
>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>
> _______________________________________________
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From jrgeerdes at gmail.com  Tue Nov 17 10:31:53 2009
From: jrgeerdes at gmail.com (Jeremy Geerdes)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 10:31:53 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] import from HI-8 video camera
In-Reply-To: <62AAB10D-36BD-4D54-BD90-3E9D1326BA43@mchsi.com>
References: <6CD211FF-1510-4895-8CE5-6C5520F19393@mchsi.com>
	<666A31BC-C0D4-4408-BE58-B18223467805@gmail.com>
	<8772534F-5393-4517-89CC-01EF3024BD25@mchsi.com>
	<E1B417F3-F28A-40E6-8FB4-249940A49BC0@gmail.com>
	<62AAB10D-36BD-4D54-BD90-3E9D1326BA43@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <54D21104-3977-40A4-903E-90B2E8FC5818@gmail.com>

You might check out the Elgato EyeTV Hybrid or EyeTV 250. According to  
Elgato's website, they support composite input. Even if they don't,  
though, you should be able to route the composite signal from the  
camera through a VCR to the thing via coax, etc. Elgato's video  
capture software consistently receives positive reviews as well. Plus,  
at the end of the day, you'll be able to watch HDTV on your Mac. Costs  
range up from $150.

Elgato also makes a device simply for capturing analog video, the  
Video Capture. It's only $99.

Here are the relevant product pages:

EyeTV Hybrid ($150): http://www.elgato.com/elgato/na/mainmenu/products/hybrid09/product1.en.html
EyeTV 250 ($200): http://www.elgato.com/elgato/na/mainmenu/products/250plus/product1.en.html
Video Capture ($100): http://www.elgato.com/elgato/na/mainmenu/products/Video-Capture/product1.en.html

Jeremy R. Geerdes
Effective website design & development
Des Moines, IA

For more information or a project quote:
http://jgeerdes.home.mchsi.com
http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com
http://jgeerdes.wordpress.com
jgeerdes at mchsi.com

Unless otherwise noted, any price quotes contained within this  
communication are given in US dollars.

If you're in the Des Moines, IA, area, check out Debra Heights  
Wesleyan Church!

And check out my blog, Adventures in Web Development, at http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com 
  !


On Nov 17, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Ray Bowler wrote:

> Alan,
>
> Thanks for the info. He can't afford to spend a lot so there are
> limits on what he will do. I'll talk to him about this.
>
> Ray
>
> On Nov 17, 2009, at Nov 17, 20099:18 AM, Alan Maupin wrote:
>
>> Ray,
>>
>> The device is a Sony PD170 Video Camera with analog inputs to
>> firewire transcode.  The camera was about 4k new, not sure what its
>> going for now.  Essentially, you plug the analog output RCA jacks
>> from the HI-8 camera into the Sony PD170.  Then run the firewire
>> cable to a Mac or PC with a video capture program.  I use Final Cut
>> Pro.  The Sony PD170 transcodes the HI-8 footage to digital using
>> its high quality internal codec.  The video is captured to Final Cut
>> Pro where it can be edited or converted to whatever format you are
>> interested in.  Please give me a call if you are interested, at
>> 515.867.4376.
>>
>> Thanks
>> alan
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 17, 2009, at 8:40 AM, Ray Bowler wrote:
>>
>>> Alan,
>>>
>>> What is the name of the device? Where could he get one? How much
>>> would
>>> it cost?
>>>
>>> Ray
>>>
>>> On Nov 16, 2009, at Nov 16, 200911:16 PM, Alan Maupin wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a device that will capture video from any analog source with
>>>> RCA jack output.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 16, 2009, at 10:20 PM, Ray Bowler wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My son-in-law has an HI-8 video camera which has no USB output.
>>>>> Output
>>>>> seems to be a pair of audio-visual ports. I loaned him a Griffin
>>>>> adapter which I used for importing my vinyl records but I doubt
>>>>> that
>>>>> it will work. Any ideas will be appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ray Bowler
>>>>>
>>>>> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> DMMUG mailing list
>>>>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>>>>> DMMUG at dmmug.org
>>>>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
>>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> DMMUG mailing list
>>>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>>>> DMMUG at dmmug.org
>>>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>>>
>>> Ray Bowler
>>>
>>> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> DMMUG mailing list
>>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
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>>
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>
> Ray Bowler
>
> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>
>
>
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From jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com  Wed Nov 18 17:23:48 2009
From: jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:23:48 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Computer for Des Moines Bicycle Collective
Message-ID: <865f37f30911181523s79162e27i8f3858bcc441b8d4@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I'm standing in the Des Moines Bicycle Collective in downtown Des Moines
with a dead iMac (circa 2002.) Carl, one of the founders, is wondering if
there is an affordable or free imac that can be offered to the organization.

Please directly email me if you have a computer, or know of one that is
available.

For more information about the Bicycle Collective please take a look at
their website:

http://www.dsmbikecollective.org/
-- 
Jon Thompson
Evolve
www.dmevolve.com
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From woohoowoohoo at me.com  Thu Nov 19 21:59:35 2009
From: woohoowoohoo at me.com (mauri booton)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:59:35 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] ReSetting MacBook MultiTouch TrackPad to original default
	settings...
Message-ID: <F457B749-2307-4EBE-B927-B771C24ECFDF@me.com>

I must be looking in all the wrong places as I can't seem to find  
instructions to help me reset my MacBook MultiTouch TrackPad to its  
original default settings. Somewhere along the line it has "learned"  
some faulty finger movements/gestures and I want to "retrain" it so I  
can regain control of the MultiTouch TrackPad.

Thanks!

~~ mauri ~~

From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Sat Nov 21 06:40:08 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 06:40:08 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Meeting Tuesday evening- IMPORTANT INSTRUCTIONS FOLLOW
Message-ID: <p06240807c72d8e5eb828@[10.0.1.192]>

Meeting Tuesday evening - 7pm, usual place - go to www.dmmug.org  - I 
forget the topic and hope someone will suggest or explain.

Last meeting until 2010-- no meeting in December.

  I'll be bringing things to raffle off - a lapdesk =  some items from 
Avery [some will be given away at the meeting as well] -- including 
TWO new Take Control eBooks ==

Jeff Carlson's "Take Control of Your iPhone Apps" and
Ted Landau's "Take Control of iPhone OS 3."

It's great to offer these in raffles, but it would be REALLY nice if 
those who put their name in and win them write a short review of them 
that we can post to the website and send to TidBits.

THIS TIME:  Not everyone can make a meeting....there will be raffle 
items that are tangible.  These two software raffled-off items, 
however, are easy to get to people no matter where they are.

IF YOU WANT YOUR NAME IN THE RAFFLE FOR THE EBOOKS:  Do NOT post to 
the list [if you reply and post to list, you'll be disqualified] - 
email me directly of your interest and I'll put your name in the 
'hat'.

Winners will be notified at the meeting and online.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Sat Nov 21 17:30:49 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:30:49 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] InfoManager 10/25
Message-ID: <p06240822c72e289bde32@[10.0.1.192]>

InfoManager for Monday, October 26, 2009
-------------------------------------------------------------------
by Lynn Wegley, InfoManager, with coeditor Fred Showker

What's Here:
01  Web 2.0 Expo New York
02  Remote Control from iPhone
03  WiFiPhoto for iPhone
04  Collection of Pages Clipart from Jumsoft
05  Troubleshooting List
06  Adding Droplets to Mac OSX Finder Windows
07  iPhone Math: 60% off
08  Todo Management Cross Platform Freeware
09  3D modeling solution for Mac
10  Developers Shift to iPhone
11  iMac now is the "Mac to have"
12  HDR photography for Mac OS
13  Search Files Quickly
14  ArtOptimizer for Illustrator
15  Quotes: Dolly Parton and George Halas

* Live at: http://www.UGNN.com/
-- 
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From jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com  Mon Nov 23 11:58:05 2009
From: jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 11:58:05 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] ReSetting MacBook MultiTouch TrackPad to original
	default settings...
In-Reply-To: <F457B749-2307-4EBE-B927-B771C24ECFDF@me.com>
References: <F457B749-2307-4EBE-B927-B771C24ECFDF@me.com>
Message-ID: <865f37f30911230958h72ed8591r93da0f46d33acdc8@mail.gmail.com>

The only way that I know to reset a trackpad is to put your entire hand over
it for ten seconds. I don't know if it works in the multitouch world, but
this took care of craziness the last time I tried.
-- 
Jon Thompson
Evolve
www.dmevolve.com


On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 9:59 PM, mauri booton <woohoowoohoo at me.com> wrote:

> I must be looking in all the wrong places as I can't seem to find
> instructions to help me reset my MacBook MultiTouch TrackPad to its
> original default settings. Somewhere along the line it has "learned"
> some faulty finger movements/gestures and I want to "retrain" it so I
> can regain control of the MultiTouch TrackPad.
>
> Thanks!
>
> ~~ mauri ~~
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From haynee at dwx.com  Mon Nov 23 12:02:34 2009
From: haynee at dwx.com (mauri booton)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:02:34 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Resetting The TouchPad...
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1258999202.8345.dmmug@dmmug.org>
References: <mailman.0.1258999202.8345.dmmug@dmmug.org>
Message-ID: <EAF673FC-686A-4180-8346-FF7F0876F035@dwx.com>

Now, when I put my whole hand on the Touchpad for 10 seconds... do I  
yell "HEAL in the name of Steve Jobs!!!!" really loud?

~ mauri ~~

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> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] ReSetting MacBook MultiTouch TrackPad to  
> original default settings...
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>
>
> The only way that I know to reset a trackpad is to put your entire  
> hand over it for ten seconds. I don't know if it works in the  
> multitouch world, but this took care of craziness the last time I  
> tried.
> -- 
> Jon Thompson
> Evolve
> www.dmevolve.com
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 9:59 PM, mauri booton <woohoowoohoo at me.com>  
> wrote:
> I must be looking in all the wrong places as I can't seem to find
> instructions to help me reset my MacBook MultiTouch TrackPad to its
> original default settings. Somewhere along the line it has "learned"
> some faulty finger movements/gestures and I want to "retrain" it so I
> can regain control of the MultiTouch TrackPad.
>
> Thanks!
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From jrgeerdes at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 12:04:44 2009
From: jrgeerdes at gmail.com (Jeremy Geerdes)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:04:44 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Resetting The TouchPad...
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References: <mailman.0.1258999202.8345.dmmug@dmmug.org>
	<EAF673FC-686A-4180-8346-FF7F0876F035@dwx.com>
Message-ID: <AAC6A273-EF67-4F1A-AF9C-ECB7CEC4EF45@gmail.com>

Just don't throw holy water at it or burn incense. Water and/or smoke  
damage void your warranty.

Jeremy R. Geerdes
Effective website design & development
Des Moines, IA

For more information or a project quote:
http://jgeerdes.home.mchsi.com
http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com
http://jgeerdes.wordpress.com
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Unless otherwise noted, any price quotes contained within this  
communication are given in US dollars.

If you're in the Des Moines, IA, area, check out Debra Heights  
Wesleyan Church!

And check out my blog, Adventures in Web Development, at http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com 
  !


On Nov 23, 2009, at 12:02 PM, mauri booton wrote:

> Now, when I put my whole hand on the Touchpad for 10 seconds... do I  
> yell "HEAL in the name of Steve Jobs!!!!" really loud?
>
> ~ mauri ~~
>
> On Nov 23, 2009, at 12:00 PM, dmmug-request at dmmug.org wrote:
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>>
>> From: Jon Thompson <jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com>
>> Date: November 23, 2009 11:58:05 AM CST
>> To: Des Moines Mac Users Group <dmmug at dmmug.org>
>> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] ReSetting MacBook MultiTouch TrackPad to  
>> original default settings...
>> Reply-To: Des Moines Mac Users Group <dmmug at dmmug.org>
>>
>>
>> The only way that I know to reset a trackpad is to put your entire  
>> hand over it for ten seconds. I don't know if it works in the  
>> multitouch world, but this took care of craziness the last time I  
>> tried.
>> -- 
>> Jon Thompson
>> Evolve
>> www.dmevolve.com
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 9:59 PM, mauri booton <woohoowoohoo at me.com>  
>> wrote:
>> I must be looking in all the wrong places as I can't seem to find
>> instructions to help me reset my MacBook MultiTouch TrackPad to its
>> original default settings. Somewhere along the line it has "learned"
>> some faulty finger movements/gestures and I want to "retrain" it so I
>> can regain control of the MultiTouch TrackPad.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
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From jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com  Mon Nov 23 12:08:05 2009
From: jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:08:05 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Resetting The TouchPad...
In-Reply-To: <AAC6A273-EF67-4F1A-AF9C-ECB7CEC4EF45@gmail.com>
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	<AAC6A273-EF67-4F1A-AF9C-ECB7CEC4EF45@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <865f37f30911231008w53385841u529f1fd9ee7103d@mail.gmail.com>

You can do whatever you want. What you are really doing is allowing the
static buildup to normalize throughout the touchpad, as well as possibly
putting the logic of the touchpad itself in a reset mode.

It works.
-- 
Jon Thompson
Evolve
www.dmevolve.com


On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Jeremy Geerdes <jrgeerdes at gmail.com>wrote:

> Just don't throw holy water at it or burn incense. Water and/or smoke
> damage void your warranty.
>
> Jeremy R. Geerdes
> Effective website design & development
> Des Moines, IA
>
> For more information or a project quote:
> http://jgeerdes.home.mchsi.com
> http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com
> http://jgeerdes.wordpress.com
> jgeerdes at mchsi.com
>
> Unless otherwise noted, any price quotes contained within this
> communication are given in US dollars.
>
> If you're in the Des Moines, IA, area, check out Debra Heights Wesleyan
> Church!
>
> And check out my blog, Adventures in Web Development, at
> http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com !
>
>
> On Nov 23, 2009, at 12:02 PM, mauri booton wrote:
>
> Now, when I put my whole hand on the Touchpad for 10 seconds... do I yell
> "HEAL in the name of Steve Jobs!!!!" really loud?
>
> ~ mauri ~~
>
> On Nov 23, 2009, at 12:00 PM, dmmug-request at dmmug.org wrote:
>
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> *From: *Jon Thompson <jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com>
> *Date: *November 23, 2009 11:58:05 AM CST
> *To: *Des Moines Mac Users Group <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> *Subject: **Re: [DM-MUG] ReSetting MacBook MultiTouch TrackPad to original
> default settings...*
> *Reply-To: *Des Moines Mac Users Group <dmmug at dmmug.org>
>
>
> The only way that I know to reset a trackpad is to put your entire hand
> over it for ten seconds. I don't know if it works in the multitouch world,
> but this took care of craziness the last time I tried.
> --
> Jon Thompson
> Evolve
> www.dmevolve.com
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 9:59 PM, mauri booton <woohoowoohoo at me.com> wrote:
>
>> I must be looking in all the wrong places as I can't seem to find
>> instructions to help me reset my MacBook MultiTouch TrackPad to its
>> original default settings. Somewhere along the line it has "learned"
>> some faulty finger movements/gestures and I want to "retrain" it so I
>> can regain control of the MultiTouch TrackPad.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> ~~ mauri ~~
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From jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com  Mon Nov 23 13:15:58 2009
From: jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:15:58 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] import from HI-8 video camera
In-Reply-To: <54D21104-3977-40A4-903E-90B2E8FC5818@gmail.com>
References: <6CD211FF-1510-4895-8CE5-6C5520F19393@mchsi.com>
	<666A31BC-C0D4-4408-BE58-B18223467805@gmail.com>
	<8772534F-5393-4517-89CC-01EF3024BD25@mchsi.com>
	<E1B417F3-F28A-40E6-8FB4-249940A49BC0@gmail.com>
	<62AAB10D-36BD-4D54-BD90-3E9D1326BA43@mchsi.com>
	<54D21104-3977-40A4-903E-90B2E8FC5818@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <865f37f30911231115j42baf5ecmfd453566c54df8fc@mail.gmail.com>

What you need is a Sony DCRTRV460. They were the last digital8 camcorder
that allowed analog to digital conversion, like you want. There is one on
ebay right now for $150 + shipping. I used this for exactly this purpose at
Great Ape Trust.

http://cgi.ebay.com/MINT-Sony-DCR-TRV460-Digital-8-Hi8-Handycam-Camcorder-_W0QQitemZ310182661719QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20091118?IMSfp=TL091118186008r13804
-- 
Jon Thompson
Evolve
www.dmevolve.com


On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Jeremy Geerdes <jrgeerdes at gmail.com>wrote:

> You might check out the Elgato EyeTV Hybrid or EyeTV 250. According to
> Elgato's website, they support composite input. Even if they don't,
> though, you should be able to route the composite signal from the
> camera through a VCR to the thing via coax, etc. Elgato's video
> capture software consistently receives positive reviews as well. Plus,
> at the end of the day, you'll be able to watch HDTV on your Mac. Costs
> range up from $150.
>
> Elgato also makes a device simply for capturing analog video, the
> Video Capture. It's only $99.
>
> Here are the relevant product pages:
>
> EyeTV Hybrid ($150):
> http://www.elgato.com/elgato/na/mainmenu/products/hybrid09/product1.en.html
> EyeTV 250 ($200):
> http://www.elgato.com/elgato/na/mainmenu/products/250plus/product1.en.html
> Video Capture ($100):
> http://www.elgato.com/elgato/na/mainmenu/products/Video-Capture/product1.en.html
>
> Jeremy R. Geerdes
> Effective website design & development
> Des Moines, IA
>
> For more information or a project quote:
> http://jgeerdes.home.mchsi.com
> http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com
> http://jgeerdes.wordpress.com
> jgeerdes at mchsi.com
>
> Unless otherwise noted, any price quotes contained within this
> communication are given in US dollars.
>
> If you're in the Des Moines, IA, area, check out Debra Heights
> Wesleyan Church!
>
> And check out my blog, Adventures in Web Development, at
> http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com
>  !
>
>
> On Nov 17, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Ray Bowler wrote:
>
> > Alan,
> >
> > Thanks for the info. He can't afford to spend a lot so there are
> > limits on what he will do. I'll talk to him about this.
> >
> > Ray
> >
> > On Nov 17, 2009, at Nov 17, 20099:18 AM, Alan Maupin wrote:
> >
> >> Ray,
> >>
> >> The device is a Sony PD170 Video Camera with analog inputs to
> >> firewire transcode.  The camera was about 4k new, not sure what its
> >> going for now.  Essentially, you plug the analog output RCA jacks
> >> from the HI-8 camera into the Sony PD170.  Then run the firewire
> >> cable to a Mac or PC with a video capture program.  I use Final Cut
> >> Pro.  The Sony PD170 transcodes the HI-8 footage to digital using
> >> its high quality internal codec.  The video is captured to Final Cut
> >> Pro where it can be edited or converted to whatever format you are
> >> interested in.  Please give me a call if you are interested, at
> >> 515.867.4376.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> alan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Nov 17, 2009, at 8:40 AM, Ray Bowler wrote:
> >>
> >>> Alan,
> >>>
> >>> What is the name of the device? Where could he get one? How much
> >>> would
> >>> it cost?
> >>>
> >>> Ray
> >>>
> >>> On Nov 16, 2009, at Nov 16, 200911:16 PM, Alan Maupin wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I have a device that will capture video from any analog source with
> >>>> RCA jack output.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Nov 16, 2009, at 10:20 PM, Ray Bowler wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> My son-in-law has an HI-8 video camera which has no USB output.
> >>>>> Output
> >>>>> seems to be a pair of audio-visual ports. I loaned him a Griffin
> >>>>> adapter which I used for importing my vinyl records but I doubt
> >>>>> that
> >>>>> it will work. Any ideas will be appreciated.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ray Bowler
> >>>>>
> >>>>> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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From alan.maupin at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 14:16:17 2009
From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:16:17 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] import from HI-8 video camera
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	<666A31BC-C0D4-4408-BE58-B18223467805@gmail.com>
	<8772534F-5393-4517-89CC-01EF3024BD25@mchsi.com>
	<E1B417F3-F28A-40E6-8FB4-249940A49BC0@gmail.com>
	<62AAB10D-36BD-4D54-BD90-3E9D1326BA43@mchsi.com>
	<54D21104-3977-40A4-903E-90B2E8FC5818@gmail.com>
	<865f37f30911231115j42baf5ecmfd453566c54df8fc@mail.gmail.com>
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I've also used a Sony Digital 8 to do in camera digitization of an previously recorded analog HI-8 tapes.   But, since the tape itself was recorded in analog format, the video on the tape is  only be as good as the original medium regardless of where the digitization now takes place, whether its inside the camera as you outlined or at another source from the RCA out jacks on the original Hi-8 camera.   Personally I would not recommend purchasing a Digital 8 camera since it was pretty much the low end of the spectrum for digital video cameras in comparison to DV.  Unless the individual has a large library of Hi-8 tapes they wish to record and do not own a Hi-8 camera with RCA video out jacks.  


On Nov 23, 2009, at 1:15 PM, Jon Thompson wrote:

> What you need is a Sony DCRTRV460. They were the last digital8 camcorder that allowed analog to digital conversion, like you want. There is one on ebay right now for $150 + shipping. I used this for exactly this purpose at Great Ape Trust.
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/MINT-Sony-DCR-TRV460-Digital-8-Hi8-Handycam-Camcorder-_W0QQitemZ310182661719QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20091118?IMSfp=TL091118186008r13804
> -- 
> Jon Thompson
> Evolve
> www.dmevolve.com
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Jeremy Geerdes <jrgeerdes at gmail.com> wrote:
> You might check out the Elgato EyeTV Hybrid or EyeTV 250. According to
> Elgato's website, they support composite input. Even if they don't,
> though, you should be able to route the composite signal from the
> camera through a VCR to the thing via coax, etc. Elgato's video
> capture software consistently receives positive reviews as well. Plus,
> at the end of the day, you'll be able to watch HDTV on your Mac. Costs
> range up from $150.
> 
> Elgato also makes a device simply for capturing analog video, the
> Video Capture. It's only $99.
> 
> Here are the relevant product pages:
> 
> EyeTV Hybrid ($150): http://www.elgato.com/elgato/na/mainmenu/products/hybrid09/product1.en.html
> EyeTV 250 ($200): http://www.elgato.com/elgato/na/mainmenu/products/250plus/product1.en.html
> Video Capture ($100): http://www.elgato.com/elgato/na/mainmenu/products/Video-Capture/product1.en.html
> 
> Jeremy R. Geerdes
> Effective website design & development
> Des Moines, IA
> 
> For more information or a project quote:
> http://jgeerdes.home.mchsi.com
> http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com
> http://jgeerdes.wordpress.com
> jgeerdes at mchsi.com
> 
> Unless otherwise noted, any price quotes contained within this
> communication are given in US dollars.
> 
> If you're in the Des Moines, IA, area, check out Debra Heights
> Wesleyan Church!
> 
> And check out my blog, Adventures in Web Development, at http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com
>  !
> 
> 
> On Nov 17, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Ray Bowler wrote:
> 
> > Alan,
> >
> > Thanks for the info. He can't afford to spend a lot so there are
> > limits on what he will do. I'll talk to him about this.
> >
> > Ray
> >
> > On Nov 17, 2009, at Nov 17, 20099:18 AM, Alan Maupin wrote:
> >
> >> Ray,
> >>
> >> The device is a Sony PD170 Video Camera with analog inputs to
> >> firewire transcode.  The camera was about 4k new, not sure what its
> >> going for now.  Essentially, you plug the analog output RCA jacks
> >> from the HI-8 camera into the Sony PD170.  Then run the firewire
> >> cable to a Mac or PC with a video capture program.  I use Final Cut
> >> Pro.  The Sony PD170 transcodes the HI-8 footage to digital using
> >> its high quality internal codec.  The video is captured to Final Cut
> >> Pro where it can be edited or converted to whatever format you are
> >> interested in.  Please give me a call if you are interested, at
> >> 515.867.4376.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> alan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Nov 17, 2009, at 8:40 AM, Ray Bowler wrote:
> >>
> >>> Alan,
> >>>
> >>> What is the name of the device? Where could he get one? How much
> >>> would
> >>> it cost?
> >>>
> >>> Ray
> >>>
> >>> On Nov 16, 2009, at Nov 16, 200911:16 PM, Alan Maupin wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I have a device that will capture video from any analog source with
> >>>> RCA jack output.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Nov 16, 2009, at 10:20 PM, Ray Bowler wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> My son-in-law has an HI-8 video camera which has no USB output.
> >>>>> Output
> >>>>> seems to be a pair of audio-visual ports. I loaned him a Griffin
> >>>>> adapter which I used for importing my vinyl records but I doubt
> >>>>> that
> >>>>> it will work. Any ideas will be appreciated.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ray Bowler
> >>>>>
> >>>>> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> DMMUG mailing list
> >>>>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> >>>>> DMMUG at dmmug.org
> >>>>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
> >>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
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> >>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
> >>>
> >>> Ray Bowler
> >>>
> >>> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> DMMUG mailing list
> >>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
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> >
> >
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From jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com  Mon Nov 23 14:24:46 2009
From: jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:24:46 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] import from HI-8 video camera
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If the individual can rent or borrow higher end equipment, that is great.
Otherwise, I suggest a strategy that I call "eBay rentals"...

Buy the obscure equipment on eBay.
Use it for what you need.
Sell it back on eBay (to a different buyer,) hopefully getting most, if not
all, of your money back.

As for your recommendation to use the RCA jacks on the camera.. It is better
to do the conversion in camera where it is being converted directly from HI8
to DV, versus converting it from hi8 to composite (which is a lossy step in
the process) and then converting to DV. Even a low end camera will give you
a better picture than doing it through an eyeTV, just because of having a
middle step to the conversion.
-- 
Jon Thompson
Evolve
www.dmevolve.com


On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've also used a Sony Digital 8 to do in camera digitization of an
> previously recorded analog HI-8 tapes.   But, since the tape itself was
> recorded in analog format, the video on the tape is  only be as good as the
> original medium regardless of where the digitization now takes place,
> whether its inside the camera as you outlined or at another source from the
> RCA out jacks on the original Hi-8 camera.   Personally I would not
> recommend purchasing a Digital 8 camera since it was pretty much the low end
> of the spectrum for digital video cameras in comparison to DV.  Unless the
> individual has a large library of Hi-8 tapes they wish to record and do not
> own a Hi-8 camera with RCA video out jacks.
>
>
> On Nov 23, 2009, at 1:15 PM, Jon Thompson wrote:
>
> What you need is a Sony DCRTRV460. They were the last digital8 camcorder
> that allowed analog to digital conversion, like you want. There is one on
> ebay right now for $150 + shipping. I used this for exactly this purpose at
> Great Ape Trust.
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/MINT-Sony-DCR-TRV460-Digital-8-Hi8-Handycam-Camcorder-_W0QQitemZ310182661719QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20091118?IMSfp=TL091118186008r13804
> --
> Jon Thompson
> Evolve
> www.dmevolve.com
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Jeremy Geerdes <jrgeerdes at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> You might check out the Elgato EyeTV Hybrid or EyeTV 250. According to
>> Elgato's website, they support composite input. Even if they don't,
>> though, you should be able to route the composite signal from the
>> camera through a VCR to the thing via coax, etc. Elgato's video
>> capture software consistently receives positive reviews as well. Plus,
>> at the end of the day, you'll be able to watch HDTV on your Mac. Costs
>> range up from $150.
>>
>> Elgato also makes a device simply for capturing analog video, the
>> Video Capture. It's only $99.
>>
>> Here are the relevant product pages:
>>
>> EyeTV Hybrid ($150):
>> http://www.elgato.com/elgato/na/mainmenu/products/hybrid09/product1.en.html
>> EyeTV 250 ($200):
>> http://www.elgato.com/elgato/na/mainmenu/products/250plus/product1.en.html
>> Video Capture ($100):
>> http://www.elgato.com/elgato/na/mainmenu/products/Video-Capture/product1.en.html
>>
>> Jeremy R. Geerdes
>> Effective website design & development
>> Des Moines, IA
>>
>> For more information or a project quote:
>> http://jgeerdes.home.mchsi.com
>> http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com
>> http://jgeerdes.wordpress.com
>> jgeerdes at mchsi.com
>>
>> Unless otherwise noted, any price quotes contained within this
>> communication are given in US dollars.
>>
>> If you're in the Des Moines, IA, area, check out Debra Heights
>> Wesleyan Church!
>>
>> And check out my blog, Adventures in Web Development, at
>> http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com
>>  !
>>
>>
>> On Nov 17, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Ray Bowler wrote:
>>
>> > Alan,
>> >
>> > Thanks for the info. He can't afford to spend a lot so there are
>> > limits on what he will do. I'll talk to him about this.
>> >
>> > Ray
>> >
>> > On Nov 17, 2009, at Nov 17, 20099:18 AM, Alan Maupin wrote:
>> >
>> >> Ray,
>> >>
>> >> The device is a Sony PD170 Video Camera with analog inputs to
>> >> firewire transcode.  The camera was about 4k new, not sure what its
>> >> going for now.  Essentially, you plug the analog output RCA jacks
>> >> from the HI-8 camera into the Sony PD170.  Then run the firewire
>> >> cable to a Mac or PC with a video capture program.  I use Final Cut
>> >> Pro.  The Sony PD170 transcodes the HI-8 footage to digital using
>> >> its high quality internal codec.  The video is captured to Final Cut
>> >> Pro where it can be edited or converted to whatever format you are
>> >> interested in.  Please give me a call if you are interested, at
>> >> 515.867.4376.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >> alan
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Nov 17, 2009, at 8:40 AM, Ray Bowler wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Alan,
>> >>>
>> >>> What is the name of the device? Where could he get one? How much
>> >>> would
>> >>> it cost?
>> >>>
>> >>> Ray
>> >>>
>> >>> On Nov 16, 2009, at Nov 16, 200911:16 PM, Alan Maupin wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> I have a device that will capture video from any analog source with
>> >>>> RCA jack output.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Nov 16, 2009, at 10:20 PM, Ray Bowler wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> My son-in-law has an HI-8 video camera which has no USB output.
>> >>>>> Output
>> >>>>> seems to be a pair of audio-visual ports. I loaned him a Griffin
>> >>>>> adapter which I used for importing my vinyl records but I doubt
>> >>>>> that
>> >>>>> it will work. Any ideas will be appreciated.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Ray Bowler
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>>> DMMUG mailing list
>> >>>>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>> >>>>> DMMUG at dmmug.org
>> >>>>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
>> >>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>> >>>>
>> >>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>> DMMUG mailing list
>> >>>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>> >>>> DMMUG at dmmug.org
>> >>>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
>> >>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>> >>>
>> >>> Ray Bowler
>> >>>
>> >>> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> DMMUG mailing list
>> >>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>> >>> DMMUG at dmmug.org
>> >>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
>> >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>> >>
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>> >
>> > Ray Bowler
>> >
>> > rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > DMMUG mailing list
>> > Use this Address to send mail to the list:
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From alan.maupin at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 15:21:16 2009
From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:21:16 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] import from HI-8 video camera
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Same source either way you look at it.  The Hi-8 tape is read by the heads and the analog signal is sent either to the cameras internal Digital 8 codec or eternally via the RCA jacks to a eternal codec for digitization.  The determining factor would be which is the superior codec.  I would lean towards Jeremy R. Geerde's "Elgato" recommendation below.

On my end I use a Sony PD170 camera to digitize all analog sources, such as Hi-8, VHS and pretty much anything with a analog source via RCA jacks.  I've venture to guess that the Sony PD170's internal DV codec will provide a higher quality digitization when used with high quality cables arranged in a manner as to avoid interference. 

On Nov 23, 2009, at 2:24 PM, Jon Thompson wrote:

> If the individual can rent or borrow higher end equipment, that is great. Otherwise, I suggest a strategy that I call "eBay rentals"...
> 
> Buy the obscure equipment on eBay.
> Use it for what you need.
> Sell it back on eBay (to a different buyer,) hopefully getting most, if not all, of your money back.
> 
> As for your recommendation to use the RCA jacks on the camera.. It is better to do the conversion in camera where it is being converted directly from HI8 to DV, versus converting it from hi8 to composite (which is a lossy step in the process) and then converting to DV. Even a low end camera will give you a better picture than doing it through an eyeTV, just because of having a middle step to the conversion.
> -- 
> Jon Thompson
> Evolve
> www.dmevolve.com
> 
> 
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:
> I've also used a Sony Digital 8 to do in camera digitization of an previously recorded analog HI-8 tapes.   But, since the tape itself was recorded in analog format, the video on the tape is  only be as good as the original medium regardless of where the digitization now takes place, whether its inside the camera as you outlined or at another source from the RCA out jacks on the original Hi-8 camera.   Personally I would not recommend purchasing a Digital 8 camera since it was pretty much the low end of the spectrum for digital video cameras in comparison to DV.  Unless the individual has a large library of Hi-8 tapes they wish to record and do not own a Hi-8 camera with RCA video out jacks.  
> 
> 
> On Nov 23, 2009, at 1:15 PM, Jon Thompson wrote:
> 
>> What you need is a Sony DCRTRV460. They were the last digital8 camcorder that allowed analog to digital conversion, like you want. There is one on ebay right now for $150 + shipping. I used this for exactly this purpose at Great Ape Trust.
>> 
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/MINT-Sony-DCR-TRV460-Digital-8-Hi8-Handycam-Camcorder-_W0QQitemZ310182661719QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20091118?IMSfp=TL091118186008r13804
>> -- 
>> Jon Thompson
>> Evolve
>> www.dmevolve.com
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Jeremy Geerdes <jrgeerdes at gmail.com> wrote:
>> You might check out theJeremy R. Geerde
>>  EyeTV Hybrid or EyeTV 250. According to
>> Elgato's website, they support composite input. Even if they don't,
>> though, you should be able to route the composite signal from the
>> camera through a VCR to the thing via coax, etc. Elgato's video
>> capture software consistently receives positive reviews as well. Plus,
>> at the end of the day, you'll be able to watch HDTV on your Mac. Costs
>> range up from $150.
>> 
>> Elgato also makes a device simply for capturing analog video, the
>> Video Capture. It's only $99.
>> 
>> Here are the relevant product pages:
>> 
>> EyeTV Hybrid ($150): http://www.elgato.com/elgato/na/mainmenu/products/hybrid09/product1.en.html
>> EyeTV 250 ($200): http://www.elgato.com/elgato/na/mainmenu/products/250plus/product1.en.html
>> Video Capture ($100): http://www.elgato.com/elgato/na/mainmenu/products/Video-Capture/product1.en.html
>> 
>> Jeremy R. Geerdes
>> Effective website design & development
>> Des Moines, IA
>> 
>> For more information or a project quote:
>> http://jgeerdes.home.mchsi.com
>> http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com
>> http://jgeerdes.wordpress.com
>> jgeerdes at mchsi.com
>> 
>> Unless otherwise noted, any price quotes contained within this
>> communication are given in US dollars.
>> 
>> If you're in the Des Moines, IA, area, check out Debra Heights
>> Wesleyan Church!
>> 
>> And check out my blog, Adventures in Web Development, at http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com
>>  !
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 17, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Ray Bowler wrote:
>> 
>> > Alan,
>> >
>> > Thanks for the info. He can't afford to spend a lot so there are
>> > limits on what he will do. I'll talk to him about this.
>> >
>> > Ray
>> >
>> > On Nov 17, 2009, at Nov 17, 20099:18 AM, Alan Maupin wrote:
>> >
>> >> Ray,
>> >>
>> >> The device is a Sony PD170 Video Camera with analog inputs to
>> >> firewire transcode.  The camera was about 4k new, not sure what its
>> >> going for now.  Essentially, you plug the analog output RCA jacks
>> >> from the HI-8 camera into the Sony PD170.  Then run the firewire
>> >> cable to a Mac or PC with a video capture program.  I use Final Cut
>> >> Pro.  The Sony PD170 transcodes the HI-8 footage to digital using
>> >> its high quality internal codec.  The video is captured to Final Cut
>> >> Pro where it can be edited or converted to whatever format you are
>> >> interested in.  Please give me a call if you are interested, at
>> >> 515.867.4376.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >> alan
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Nov 17, 2009, at 8:40 AM, Ray Bowler wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Alan,
>> >>>
>> >>> What is the name of the device? Where could he get one? How much
>> >>> would
>> >>> it cost?
>> >>>
>> >>> Ray
>> >>>
>> >>> On Nov 16, 2009, at Nov 16, 200911:16 PM, Alan Maupin wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> I have a device that will capture video from any analog source with
>> >>>> RCA jack output.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Nov 16, 2009, at 10:20 PM, Ray Bowler wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> My son-in-law has an HI-8 video camera which has no USB output.
>> >>>>> Output
>> >>>>> seems to be a pair of audio-visual ports. I loaned him a Griffin
>> >>>>> adapter which I used for importing my vinyl records but I doubt
>> >>>>> that
>> >>>>> it will work. Any ideas will be appreciated.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Ray Bowler
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>>> DMMUG mailing list
>> >>>>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>> >>>>> DMMUG at dmmug.org
>> >>>>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
>> >>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
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>> >>>> DMMUG at dmmug.org
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>> >>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
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>> >>>
>> >>> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> DMMUG mailing list
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From: jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:29:52 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] import from HI-8 video camera
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Agreed in regards to the source being Hi8 to begin with. However, converting
to composite introduces further loss into the analog signal, which is not
there if you utilize a direct Hi8 to DV conversion. Reduce the number of
times you have to transcode, because every one is a loss of some part of the
signal. And Hi8 doesn't have much of a signal to begin with.

I have an elgato box that I've used with Betamax tapes, which don't have any
other option other than composite conversion. They do well enough. But I
wouldn't use them if I had a direct betamax to dv workflow.
-- 
Jon Thompson
Evolve
www.dmevolve.com


On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:

> Same source either way you look at it.  The Hi-8 tape is read by the heads
> and the analog signal is sent either to the cameras internal Digital 8 codec
> or eternally via the RCA jacks to a eternal codec for digitization.  The
> determining factor would be which is the superior codec.  I would lean
> towards Jeremy R. Geerde's "Elgato" recommendation below.
>
> On my end I use a Sony PD170 camera to digitize all analog sources, such as
> Hi-8, VHS and pretty much anything with a analog source via RCA jacks.  I've
> venture to guess that the Sony PD170's internal DV codec will provide a
> higher quality digitization when used with high quality cables arranged in a
> manner as to avoid interference.
>
> On Nov 23, 2009, at 2:24 PM, Jon Thompson wrote:
>
> If the individual can rent or borrow higher end equipment, that is great.
> Otherwise, I suggest a strategy that I call "eBay rentals"...
>
> Buy the obscure equipment on eBay.
> Use it for what you need.
> Sell it back on eBay (to a different buyer,) hopefully getting most, if not
> all, of your money back.
>
> As for your recommendation to use the RCA jacks on the camera.. It is
> better to do the conversion in camera where it is being converted directly
> from HI8 to DV, versus converting it from hi8 to composite (which is a lossy
> step in the process) and then converting to DV. Even a low end camera will
> give you a better picture than doing it through an eyeTV, just because of
> having a middle step to the conversion.
> --
> Jon Thompson
> Evolve
> www.dmevolve.com
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I've also used a Sony Digital 8 to do in camera digitization of an
>> previously recorded analog HI-8 tapes.   But, since the tape itself was
>> recorded in analog format, the video on the tape is  only be as good as the
>> original medium regardless of where the digitization now takes place,
>> whether its inside the camera as you outlined or at another source from the
>> RCA out jacks on the original Hi-8 camera.   Personally I would not
>> recommend purchasing a Digital 8 camera since it was pretty much the low end
>> of the spectrum for digital video cameras in comparison to DV.  Unless the
>> individual has a large library of Hi-8 tapes they wish to record and do not
>> own a Hi-8 camera with RCA video out jacks.
>>
>>
>> On Nov 23, 2009, at 1:15 PM, Jon Thompson wrote:
>>
>> What you need is a Sony DCRTRV460. They were the last digital8 camcorder
>> that allowed analog to digital conversion, like you want. There is one on
>> ebay right now for $150 + shipping. I used this for exactly this purpose at
>> Great Ape Trust.
>>
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/MINT-Sony-DCR-TRV460-Digital-8-Hi8-Handycam-Camcorder-_W0QQitemZ310182661719QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20091118?IMSfp=TL091118186008r13804
>> --
>> Jon Thompson
>> Evolve
>> www.dmevolve.com
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Jeremy Geerdes <jrgeerdes at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> You might check out theJeremy R. Geerde
>>
>>  EyeTV Hybrid or EyeTV 250. According to
>>> Elgato's website, they support composite input. Even if they don't,
>>> though, you should be able to route the composite signal from the
>>> camera through a VCR to the thing via coax, etc. Elgato's video
>>> capture software consistently receives positive reviews as well. Plus,
>>> at the end of the day, you'll be able to watch HDTV on your Mac. Costs
>>> range up from $150.
>>>
>>> Elgato also makes a device simply for capturing analog video, the
>>> Video Capture. It's only $99.
>>>
>>> Here are the relevant product pages:
>>>
>>> EyeTV Hybrid ($150):
>>> http://www.elgato.com/elgato/na/mainmenu/products/hybrid09/product1.en.html
>>> EyeTV 250 ($200):
>>> http://www.elgato.com/elgato/na/mainmenu/products/250plus/product1.en.html
>>> Video Capture ($100):
>>> http://www.elgato.com/elgato/na/mainmenu/products/Video-Capture/product1.en.html
>>>
>>> Jeremy R. Geerdes
>>> Effective website design & development
>>> Des Moines, IA
>>>
>>> For more information or a project quote:
>>> http://jgeerdes.home.mchsi.com
>>> http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com
>>> http://jgeerdes.wordpress.com
>>> jgeerdes at mchsi.com
>>>
>>> Unless otherwise noted, any price quotes contained within this
>>> communication are given in US dollars.
>>>
>>> If you're in the Des Moines, IA, area, check out Debra Heights
>>> Wesleyan Church!
>>>
>>> And check out my blog, Adventures in Web Development, at
>>> http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com
>>>  !
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 17, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Ray Bowler wrote:
>>>
>>> > Alan,
>>> >
>>> > Thanks for the info. He can't afford to spend a lot so there are
>>> > limits on what he will do. I'll talk to him about this.
>>> >
>>> > Ray
>>> >
>>> > On Nov 17, 2009, at Nov 17, 20099:18 AM, Alan Maupin wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Ray,
>>> >>
>>> >> The device is a Sony PD170 Video Camera with analog inputs to
>>> >> firewire transcode.  The camera was about 4k new, not sure what its
>>> >> going for now.  Essentially, you plug the analog output RCA jacks
>>> >> from the HI-8 camera into the Sony PD170.  Then run the firewire
>>> >> cable to a Mac or PC with a video capture program.  I use Final Cut
>>> >> Pro.  The Sony PD170 transcodes the HI-8 footage to digital using
>>> >> its high quality internal codec.  The video is captured to Final Cut
>>> >> Pro where it can be edited or converted to whatever format you are
>>> >> interested in.  Please give me a call if you are interested, at
>>> >> 515.867.4376.
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks
>>> >> alan
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Nov 17, 2009, at 8:40 AM, Ray Bowler wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Alan,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> What is the name of the device? Where could he get one? How much
>>> >>> would
>>> >>> it cost?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Ray
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Nov 16, 2009, at Nov 16, 200911:16 PM, Alan Maupin wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> I have a device that will capture video from any analog source with
>>> >>>> RCA jack output.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Nov 16, 2009, at 10:20 PM, Ray Bowler wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> My son-in-law has an HI-8 video camera which has no USB output.
>>> >>>>> Output
>>> >>>>> seems to be a pair of audio-visual ports. I loaned him a Griffin
>>> >>>>> adapter which I used for importing my vinyl records but I doubt
>>> >>>>> that
>>> >>>>> it will work. Any ideas will be appreciated.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Ray Bowler
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> >>>
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>>> >>>
>>> >>>
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From alan.maupin at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 15:39:56 2009
From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:39:56 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] import from HI-8 video camera
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You might have a point there.


On Nov 23, 2009, at 3:29 PM, Jon Thompson wrote:

> Agreed in regards to the source being Hi8 to begin with. However, converting to composite introduces further loss into the analog signal, which is not there if you utilize a direct Hi8 to DV conversion. Reduce the number of times you have to transcode, because every one is a loss of some part of the signal. And Hi8 doesn't have much of a signal to begin with.
> 
> I have an elgato box that I've used with Betamax tapes, which don't have any other option other than composite conversion. They do well enough. But I wouldn't use them if I had a direct betamax to dv workflow.
> -- 
> Jon Thompson
> Evolve
> www.dmevolve.com
> 
> 
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:
> Same source either way you look at it.  The Hi-8 tape is read by the heads and the analog signal is sent either to the cameras internal Digital 8 codec or eternally via the RCA jacks to a eternal codec for digitization.  The determining factor would be which is the superior codec.  I would lean towards Jeremy R. Geerde's "Elgato" recommendation below.
> 
> On my end I use a Sony PD170 camera to digitize all analog sources, such as Hi-8, VHS and pretty much anything with a analog source via RCA jacks.  I've venture to guess that the Sony PD170's internal DV codec will provide a higher quality digitization when used with high quality cables arranged in a manner as to avoid interference. 
> 
> On Nov 23, 2009, at 2:24 PM, Jon Thompson wrote:
> 
>> If the individual can rent or borrow higher end equipment, that is great. Otherwise, I suggest a strategy that I call "eBay rentals"...
>> 
>> Buy the obscure equipment on eBay.
>> Use it for what you need.
>> Sell it back on eBay (to a different buyer,) hopefully getting most, if not all, of your money back.
>> 
>> As for your recommendation to use the RCA jacks on the camera.. It is better to do the conversion in camera where it is being converted directly from HI8 to DV, versus converting it from hi8 to composite (which is a lossy step in the process) and then converting to DV. Even a low end camera will give you a better picture than doing it through an eyeTV, just because of having a middle step to the conversion.
>> -- 
>> Jon Thompson
>> Evolve
>> www.dmevolve.com
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I've also used a Sony Digital 8 to do in camera digitization of an previously recorded analog HI-8 tapes.   But, since the tape itself was recorded in analog format, the video on the tape is  only be as good as the original medium regardless of where the digitization now takes place, whether its inside the camera as you outlined or at another source from the RCA out jacks on the original Hi-8 camera.   Personally I would not recommend purchasing a Digital 8 camera since it was pretty much the low end of the spectrum for digital video cameras in comparison to DV.  Unless the individual has a large library of Hi-8 tapes they wish to record and do not own a Hi-8 camera with RCA video out jacks.  
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 23, 2009, at 1:15 PM, Jon Thompson wrote:
>> 
>>> What you need is a Sony DCRTRV460. They were the last digital8 camcorder that allowed analog to digital conversion, like you want. There is one on ebay right now for $150 + shipping. I used this for exactly this purpose at Great Ape Trust.
>>> 
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/MINT-Sony-DCR-TRV460-Digital-8-Hi8-Handycam-Camcorder-_W0QQitemZ310182661719QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20091118?IMSfp=TL091118186008r13804
>>> -- 
>>> Jon Thompson
>>> Evolve
>>> www.dmevolve.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Jeremy Geerdes <jrgeerdes at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> You might check out theJeremy R. Geerde
>>>  EyeTV Hybrid or EyeTV 250. According to
>>> Elgato's website, they support composite input. Even if they don't,
>>> though, you should be able to route the composite signal from the
>>> camera through a VCR to the thing via coax, etc. Elgato's video
>>> capture software consistently receives positive reviews as well. Plus,
>>> at the end of the day, you'll be able to watch HDTV on your Mac. Costs
>>> range up from $150.
>>> 
>>> Elgato also makes a device simply for capturing analog video, the
>>> Video Capture. It's only $99.
>>> 
>>> Here are the relevant product pages:
>>> 
>>> EyeTV Hybrid ($150): http://www.elgato.com/elgato/na/mainmenu/products/hybrid09/product1.en.html
>>> EyeTV 250 ($200): http://www.elgato.com/elgato/na/mainmenu/products/250plus/product1.en.html
>>> Video Capture ($100): http://www.elgato.com/elgato/na/mainmenu/products/Video-Capture/product1.en.html
>>> 
>>> Jeremy R. Geerdes
>>> Effective website design & development
>>> Des Moines, IA
>>> 
>>> For more information or a project quote:
>>> http://jgeerdes.home.mchsi.com
>>> http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com
>>> http://jgeerdes.wordpress.com
>>> jgeerdes at mchsi.com
>>> 
>>> Unless otherwise noted, any price quotes contained within this
>>> communication are given in US dollars.
>>> 
>>> If you're in the Des Moines, IA, area, check out Debra Heights
>>> Wesleyan Church!
>>> 
>>> And check out my blog, Adventures in Web Development, at http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com
>>>  !
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 17, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Ray Bowler wrote:
>>> 
>>> > Alan,
>>> >
>>> > Thanks for the info. He can't afford to spend a lot so there are
>>> > limits on what he will do. I'll talk to him about this.
>>> >
>>> > Ray
>>> >
>>> > On Nov 17, 2009, at Nov 17, 20099:18 AM, Alan Maupin wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Ray,
>>> >>
>>> >> The device is a Sony PD170 Video Camera with analog inputs to
>>> >> firewire transcode.  The camera was about 4k new, not sure what its
>>> >> going for now.  Essentially, you plug the analog output RCA jacks
>>> >> from the HI-8 camera into the Sony PD170.  Then run the firewire
>>> >> cable to a Mac or PC with a video capture program.  I use Final Cut
>>> >> Pro.  The Sony PD170 transcodes the HI-8 footage to digital using
>>> >> its high quality internal codec.  The video is captured to Final Cut
>>> >> Pro where it can be edited or converted to whatever format you are
>>> >> interested in.  Please give me a call if you are interested, at
>>> >> 515.867.4376.
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks
>>> >> alan
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Nov 17, 2009, at 8:40 AM, Ray Bowler wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Alan,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> What is the name of the device? Where could he get one? How much
>>> >>> would
>>> >>> it cost?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Ray
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Nov 16, 2009, at Nov 16, 200911:16 PM, Alan Maupin wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> I have a device that will capture video from any analog source with
>>> >>>> RCA jack output.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Nov 16, 2009, at 10:20 PM, Ray Bowler wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> My son-in-law has an HI-8 video camera which has no USB output.
>>> >>>>> Output
>>> >>>>> seems to be a pair of audio-visual ports. I loaned him a Griffin
>>> >>>>> adapter which I used for importing my vinyl records but I doubt
>>> >>>>> that
>>> >>>>> it will work. Any ideas will be appreciated.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Ray Bowler
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________
>>> >>>>> DMMUG mailing list
>>> >>>>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>>> >>>>> DMMUG at dmmug.org
>>> >>>>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
>>> >>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> _______________________________________________
>>> >>>> DMMUG mailing list
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>>> >>>> DMMUG at dmmug.org
>>> >>>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
>>> >>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Ray Bowler
>>> >>>
>>> >>> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>> >>> DMMUG mailing list
>>> >>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
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>>> >
>>> > rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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From john at createmydvd.com  Mon Nov 23 15:51:14 2009
From: john at createmydvd.com (John Robertson)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:51:14 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] import from HI-8 video camera
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These suggestions will work just fine but I'd like to add my 2 cents  
here. I suggest using a digital 8 camera like the TRV-430 or sony's  
GV-D200 or something in that series. The reason I picked this  
hardware is because they have a built in TBC (time base corrector).  
This helps the transfer from dropping frames which will result in out  
of sync audio. As long as you have a Hi 8 camera, you can use a  
transfer box like the pinnacle movie box DV or the like. If you use  
this, I'd suggest using an s-video cable from the camera to the  
transfer box to minimize loss. Composite will work but it lowers the  
quality and adds noise to the signal. VHS tapes on the other hand are  
composite and do not benefit using S-video.

John

From jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com  Mon Nov 23 15:57:08 2009
From: jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:57:08 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] import from HI-8 video camera
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The TRV-480 I mentioned before was the last Digital8 camera that included
Hi8 compatibility.
-- 
Jon Thompson
Evolve
www.dmevolve.com


On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 3:51 PM, John Robertson <john at createmydvd.com>wrote:

> These suggestions will work just fine but I'd like to add my 2 cents
> here. I suggest using a digital 8 camera like the TRV-430 or sony's
> GV-D200 or something in that series. The reason I picked this
> hardware is because they have a built in TBC (time base corrector).
> This helps the transfer from dropping frames which will result in out
> of sync audio. As long as you have a Hi 8 camera, you can use a
> transfer box like the pinnacle movie box DV or the like. If you use
> this, I'd suggest using an s-video cable from the camera to the
> transfer box to minimize loss. Composite will work but it lowers the
> quality and adds noise to the signal. VHS tapes on the other hand are
> composite and do not benefit using S-video.
>
> John
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From john at createmydvd.com  Mon Nov 23 18:54:30 2009
From: john at createmydvd.com (John Robertson)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:54:30 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] import from HI-8 video camera
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I forgot to mention that you can use any DV camera that has analog  
inputs to do the conversion. As I said, S-video is better but  
composite will also work.  This will allow you to import your hi-8  
directly into imovie or whatever video software you want to use.

As Jon pointed out, there are more recent sony models you can use. I  
didn't mean to say this was the only digital 8 model. Any Sony  
digital 8 will work. I know other manufactures made digital 8's also  
but I don't think they play hi-8. Stick with Sony if your purchasing  
digital 8 camera or player.

Good Luck.

> These suggestions will work just fine but I'd like to add my 2 cents
> here. I suggest using a digital 8 camera like the TRV-430 or sony's
> GV-D200 or something in that series. The reason I picked this
> hardware is because they have a built in TBC (time base corrector).
> This helps the transfer from dropping frames which will result in out
> of sync audio. As long as you have a Hi 8 camera, you can use a
> transfer box like the pinnacle movie box DV or the like. If you use
> this, I'd suggest using an s-video cable from the camera to the
> transfer box to minimize loss. Composite will work but it lowers the
> quality and adds noise to the signal. VHS tapes on the other hand are
> composite and do not benefit using S-video.
>
> John
>

From jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com  Mon Nov 23 20:10:42 2009
From: jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:10:42 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] import from HI-8 video camera
In-Reply-To: <0191E4C9-6D6D-489D-8011-5F3F9567D5D9@createmydvd.com>
References: <6CD211FF-1510-4895-8CE5-6C5520F19393@mchsi.com>
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Sorry to be the bearer of bad news again, but not all Sony Digital8s will do
this. The 5xx series will not. In fact, I had to buy a model a few years ago
off of ebay because the new one does not do Hi8 to DV conversion, although
it will do analog inputs to dv output, and it plays Hi8 tapes.


Cameras that do not work:
Sony DCR-TRV5xx series

Cameras that will work:
SONY DCR-TRV480
SONY DCR-TRV110E
-- 
Jon Thompson
Evolve
www.dmevolve.com


On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 6:54 PM, John Robertson <john at createmydvd.com>wrote:

> I forgot to mention that you can use any DV camera that has analog
> inputs to do the conversion. As I said, S-video is better but
> composite will also work.  This will allow you to import your hi-8
> directly into imovie or whatever video software you want to use.
>
> As Jon pointed out, there are more recent sony models you can use. I
> didn't mean to say this was the only digital 8 model. Any Sony
> digital 8 will work. I know other manufactures made digital 8's also
> but I don't think they play hi-8. Stick with Sony if your purchasing
> digital 8 camera or player.
>
> Good Luck.
>
> > These suggestions will work just fine but I'd like to add my 2 cents
> > here. I suggest using a digital 8 camera like the TRV-430 or sony's
> > GV-D200 or something in that series. The reason I picked this
> > hardware is because they have a built in TBC (time base corrector).
> > This helps the transfer from dropping frames which will result in out
> > of sync audio. As long as you have a Hi 8 camera, you can use a
> > transfer box like the pinnacle movie box DV or the like. If you use
> > this, I'd suggest using an s-video cable from the camera to the
> > transfer box to minimize loss. Composite will work but it lowers the
> > quality and adds noise to the signal. VHS tapes on the other hand are
> > composite and do not benefit using S-video.
> >
> > John
> >
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From john at createmydvd.com  Mon Nov 23 20:23:44 2009
From: john at createmydvd.com (John Robertson)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:23:44 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] import from HI-8 video camera
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Jon, thanks for the correction. I didn't know Sony stopped supporting  
backward compatibility in their later Digital 8 camera's. Silly them,  
what would be the point to buy one of those. I guess they were  
trending over to the GV-D series for backward compatibility. ie. GV- 
D200, GV-D800 and others.

Regards,
     John

From alan.maupin at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 21:15:52 2009
From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:15:52 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] import from HI-8 video camera
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More info from a very good video website : http://www.videohelp.com/dvanalog#digital8

In the article below Mr. Woodger describes the two primary techniques described in todays DMMUG thread about digitizing Hi8 tapes: (1) using a DV Camcorder with analog to digital passthrough, (2) Using a Sony Digital 8 Camcorder with internal Hi8 transcoding capability.   Ultimately either of these methods would produce a high quality result.  The main factor of cost should probably be weighed against the amount of material to be digitized.  If only a few tapes are involved it would probably be better to have someone with the listed equipment and software and skill perform the task.   If we are talking about a library of tapes then it might be mot cost effective to acquire the equipment and perform the digitization at home, depending on operator proficiency or expected proficiency.   

Questions and factors to consider:

1) does the operator/customer have the disk space to store the digitized media?  Somewhere around 13 gb per hour.  
2) does the operator/customer intend to edit the digitized media?  Editing software and proficiency again.  What level of editing? Consumer, Prosumer, professional?
3) does the operator/customer intend to master and transcode the edited video to DVD?  Again, software and proficiency are involved.

******* begin Mr. Woodger's  article *******

Introduction: Why Use a Digital Camcorder for Analog Video Capture?
Many people have 8mm/Hi8 tapes (and even VHS tapes) filled with movies that we recorded with our analog camcorders. There is concern is that the tapes will degrade with time so there is a desire to "digitize" the material, perhaps producing VCD or DVDs which can be played on standalone DVD players.

One approach to capture the video on the computer is to use various capture cards (Dazzle, ATI, Hauppauge, etc.), as described elsewhere on this site. You may run into some of these limitations of the capture card approach (as I did):

- you might have a laptop (which won't take a standard PCI card) or you may have no extra slots for an additional PCI card on your desktop PC
- you may not have a computer that is fast enough to capture analog video from capture cards. Many people feel that the cards will produce the best quality when capturing raw AVI output but this output is VERY big. Raw AVI is up to five times bigger than the DV AVI that digital camcorder produce and it can take a high-spec computer (both CPU and disk speed) to keep up with this capture rate.
- you may find that the capture card doesn't faithfully reproduce the colour and/or motion of the original


The Digital Camcorder Alternative

There is an alternative to the capture cards. You can use a Digital Camcorder to capture your analog video.

Broadly, there are two approaches that you might use:

1. You can use a Digital8 Camcorder to directly play 8mm and Hi8 analog tapes and output them to your computer via firewire -> Capturing 8mm/Hi8 with a Digital8 Camcorder

2. You can use the analog passthrough or capture ability of many digital camcorders to capture your analog video (8mm, Hi8, VHS) and convert it into an equivalent digital video which is easy to send to your computer via Firewire -> Capturing Various Analog Video (VHS, Hi8, 8mm) with a Digital Camcorder


The Benefits of Using your Digital Camcorder for Analog Capture

Most Digital Camcorders (but not all) have hardware converters that take analog video and convert them to DV AVI (digital video AVI). Most people will agree that the quality of this conversion is very good. My personal experience was that the DV Cam's analog-to-digital conversion ranged from being somewhat better to much better than the three capture cards that I tried. I was still hesitant to invest in the Digital Camcorder (since they cost more than most capture cards) but other peoples' experience posted on forums consistently supported the fact that they felt that the quality of capture via DV Cam was much better.

As mentioned above, Digital Camcorders will output DV AVI at about 3.3 MBps. DV AVI is a good format to work with since it is much smaller (and more manageable than RAW AVI). On the other hand, it is not so compressed (like MPEG-2) that it is slow to work with in video editing packages.



Capturing 8mm/Hi8 with a Digital8 Camcorder

Sony has a line of Digital camcorders that use the same Hi8 tapes that earlier analog camcorders used. These Hi8 tapes are bigger than the mini-DV tapes that are used by pure digital camcorders and therefore Digital8 camcorders tend to be larger than other digital camcorders.

Many Digital8 camcorders will play 8mm and Hi8 analog tapes directly and output them as DV AVI over a firewire connection. Nearly all early Digital8 camcorders had this capability, however Sony has lately been limiting this feature to its middle-to-higher end Digital8 models. If you want this capability, make very certain that the camcorder that you are considering actually has it.

If your old analog camcorder has already died leaving you with orphaned 8mm/Hi8 tapes, the Digital8 may be the perfect bridge solution for you. Even if your analog camcorder still works, you might prefer to playback your tapes in a Digital8 camcorder for capture purposes. The middle-to-higher end Digital8 players have:
- TBC -- Time Base Corrector which is used to correct jitter in the tape (especially useful for older tapes) 
- DNR -- Digital Noise Reduction.

This means that the Digital8 players can often play back your analog tapes better than the analog camcorder that produced them.


The Capture Process with your Digital8 Camcorder:

1. Put your 8mm/Hi8 tape into your camcorder and try to play it. The camcorder should generally automatically sense that the tape is analog. If it does not, you may have to go into the menus and manually tell the camcorder that it is an analog tape. When dealing with a poor quality analog tape, you may have also have to turn off the time-based-correction and/or digital noise reduction (in the case of a very poor tape, these features can do more harm than good).

2. Once you now that tape will play, attach a firewire connection (called iLink by Sony) between your camcorder and your computer and use standard video capture software to capture the output -> How to capture DV Cam using a firewire/DV card


Issues with the Capture using Digital8:

When I captured analog tapes with my Digital8 camcorder, I found that a got a thin line of distortion at the very bottom of my capture. The explanation that I got was: 
"you're seeing the head switching. 8mm analog tapes are recorded using two heads on the drum and you're seeing the point at which the heads switch over. It's deliberately placed before the end of the picture so that the video is stable in the synchronising interval which follows on from it."

As pointed out, this distortion did NOT show on a TV during playback (because of overscanning). I could have left this distortion but I chose to put a black line over it using video editing software.




Capturing Various Analog Video (VHS, Hi8, 8mm) with a Digital Camcorder

Most (but not all) modern digital camcorders provide a analog-to-digital "passthrough" capability. This feature lets you feed an analog input signal (usually via S-Video, sometimes RCA) into your camcorder and output a standard DV AVI signal. The camcorder converts the analog signal on-the-fly using a hardware encoder. Your input device could be your old analog camcorder (playing 8mm or Hi8 tapes), a VHS video player, etc.

The DV AVI output signal is the same encoding as standard digital camcorder output so you can attach a firewire connection (also called iLink) between your camcorder and your computer and use standard video capture software to capture the output -> How to capture DV Cam using a firewire/DV card

Some digital camcorders do not support simple "passthrough" but they will capture an analog signal and convert it as you record to the digital tape. The digital tape can then be rewound and played over the firewire connection to computer as described above. Clearly, the passthrough capability saves time and effort but if you already have a digital camcorder (without passthrough), then you still might use the analog signal-to-tape capture capability.

Not all new digital camcorders necessary accept analog input (watch the lower-end models). If you have old analog material, then think about adding "analog-to-digital passthrough" to your list of requirements when choosing a digital camcorder.










On Nov 23, 2009, at 8:23 PM, John Robertson wrote:

> Jon, thanks for the correction. I didn't know Sony stopped supporting  
> backward compatibility in their later Digital 8 camera's. Silly them,  
> what would be the point to buy one of those. I guess they were  
> trending over to the GV-D series for backward compatibility. ie. GV- 
> D200, GV-D800 and others.
> 
> Regards,
>     John
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From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 23 21:24:18 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:24:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [DM-MUG] Pokey Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <37A6910E-4BCC-4317-B78E-4BF637E41EF6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <222419.54807.qm@web110312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Does anyone else find Snow Leopard is very slow to respond unless you disable spaces and expose? I like the spaces since I have 8 different spaces based on function, but they seem to significantly slow down response of everything. 

Only 9 apps open, and none of them are demanding in anyway. Internet (no streaming videos), preview, text edit, iCal, Acrobat. Only 4 of the 8 spaces are active. Most of the time only 2-3 are active simultaneously. 

I did all my software updates a week ago. And I have 47 GB of free hdd space. Just thought I'd see if anyone else reported any problems with performance with Snow Leopard. And Aperture 1.5 and 2.1.x keeps telling me the versions "aren't compatible with this version of Mac OS." and then it would even launch. I checked the Apple site and the 2.1.x ought to be compatible with Snow Leopard. Any ideas? Should I nose around the 

/Library/Application Support/? 

folders?



      
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From woohoowoohoo at me.com  Mon Nov 23 21:48:38 2009
From: woohoowoohoo at me.com (mauri booton)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:48:38 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Trying to move my iWeb sites from iMac to MacBook
Message-ID: <3D3261D2-AAF4-4B44-8442-2C992FE7146C@me.com>

This is the information I found online... but I'm having a difficult  
finding the path.

/Users/username/Library/Application Support/iWeb/Domain.sites2

Am I overlooking the obvious?

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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Tue Nov 24 01:54:17 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:54:17 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Trying to move my iWeb sites from iMac to MacBook
In-Reply-To: <3D3261D2-AAF4-4B44-8442-2C992FE7146C@me.com>
References: <3D3261D2-AAF4-4B44-8442-2C992FE7146C@me.com>
Message-ID: <p0624083dc7314158d4c8@[10.0.1.192]>

probably.  Go to your user folder...to Library...to AppSupt...to the 
iWeb folder and inside it is an item called 'domain.sites2' -- that's 
the iWeb item.  That's what you would need to move [after backing up 
and copying to be safe]
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [lawfirm]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal]; 
Twitter: VictoriaJZ.

From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Tue Nov 24 01:52:43 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:52:43 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Pokey Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <222419.54807.qm@web110312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <222419.54807.qm@web110312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p0624083cc7314092a676@[10.0.1.192]>

I'm using Aperture 2+ on three SL machines just fine, so it's not 
that = and if you are getting that message ref compatibility, there's 
something else going on.  I don't use Spaces/Expose so can't comment 
on the rest but if you get this worked out I'd love to have you 
explain how Spaces/Expose work for you since I want to use them but 
haven't

-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [lawfirm]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal]; 
Twitter: VictoriaJZ.

From jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com  Tue Nov 24 06:09:21 2009
From: jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:09:21 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Trying to move my iWeb sites from iMac to MacBook
In-Reply-To: <p0624083dc7314158d4c8@10.0.1.192>
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Message-ID: <865f37f30911240409l2e14226eh6bbe5451a4093847@mail.gmail.com>

You just need to change "Username" to your username.

An easier way to do this would be:

Click on Desktop to get yourself into the Finder
Select the 'Go' Menu from the menubar.
Select "Go to folder..." from the menu.
Type "~/Library/Application Support/" and press return.

This will get you to the folder in question. Copy the iWeb folder to the
same location on your second Mac using the same instructions to find the
enclosing folder.

('~' is shorthand for /Users/<currentusername>)
-- 
Jon Thompson
Evolve
www.dmevolve.com


On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 1:54 AM, Victoria L. Herring <VLH at herringlaw.com>wrote:

> probably.  Go to your user folder...to Library...to AppSupt...to the
> iWeb folder and inside it is an item called 'domain.sites2' -- that's
> the iWeb item.  That's what you would need to move [after backing up
> and copying to be safe]
> --
> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs:
> http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography];
> http://www.herringlaw.com  [lawfirm];
> http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal];
> Twitter: VictoriaJZ.
> _______________________________________________
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From cdreger at grm.net  Tue Nov 24 09:24:15 2009
From: cdreger at grm.net (D Reger)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 09:24:15 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Meeting Tonight?
Message-ID: <4B0BFA9F.3070006@grm.net>

Is meeting tonight usual place and time? Subject?

Darlene in Missouri

From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Tue Nov 24 09:43:38 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 09:43:38 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Meeting Tuesday evening- IMPORTANT INSTRUCTIONS FOLLOW
Message-ID: <p0624084cc731af7aa4b1@[10.0.1.192]>

This was posted to list on Saturday.  It's all the info I have.  I 
don't remember or know the discussion topics.

>Meeting Tuesday evening - 7pm, usual place - go to www.dmmug.org  - 
>I forget the topic and hope someone will suggest or explain.
>
>Last meeting until 2010-- no meeting in December.
>
>  I'll be bringing things to raffle off - a lapdesk =  some items 
>from Avery [some will be given away at the meeting as well] -- 
>including TWO new Take Control eBooks ==
>
>Jeff Carlson's "Take Control of Your iPhone Apps" and
>Ted Landau's "Take Control of iPhone OS 3."
>
>It's great to offer these in raffles, but it would be REALLY nice if 
>those who put their name in and win them write a short review of 
>them that we can post to the website and send to TidBits.
>
>THIS TIME:  Not everyone can make a meeting....there will be raffle 
>items that are tangible.  These two software raffled-off items, 
>however, are easy to get to people no matter where they are.
>
>IF YOU WANT YOUR NAME IN THE RAFFLE FOR THE EBOOKS:  Do NOT post to 
>the list [if you reply and post to list, you'll be disqualified] - 
>email me directly of your interest and I'll put your name in the 
>'hat'.
>
>Winners will be notified at the meeting and online.

-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [lawfirm]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal]; 
Twitter: VictoriaJZ.
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From jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com  Tue Nov 24 12:52:30 2009
From: jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:52:30 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Meeting Tuesday evening- IMPORTANT INSTRUCTIONS
	FOLLOW
In-Reply-To: <p0624084cc731af7aa4b1@10.0.1.192>
References: <p0624084cc731af7aa4b1@10.0.1.192>
Message-ID: <865f37f30911241052o21f18611ub3e03d21d18cffeb@mail.gmail.com>

CW and I were going to present on Snow Leopard, but we haven't gotten
together. This is one that I can do on the fly, as it is part of what I do,
so we should just have a q&a forum on Snow Leopard. If CW wants to join me
on stage, that would be good.
-- 
Jon Thompson
Evolve
www.dmevolve.com


On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Victoria L. Herring <VLH at herringlaw.com>wrote:

>  This was posted to list on Saturday.  It's all the info I have.  I don't
> remember or know the discussion topics.
>
> Meeting Tuesday evening - 7pm, usual place - go to www.dmmug.org  - I
> forget the topic and hope someone will suggest or explain.
>
>
> Last meeting until 2010-- no meeting in December.
>
>
>  I'll be bringing things to raffle off - a lapdesk =  some items from Avery
> [some will be given away at the meeting as well] -- including TWO new Take
> Control eBooks ==
>
>
> Jeff Carlson's "Take Control of Your iPhone Apps" and
>
> Ted Landau's "Take Control of iPhone OS 3."
>
>
> It's great to offer these in raffles, but it would be REALLY nice if those
> who put their name in and win them write a short review of them that we can
> post to the website and send to TidBits.
>
>
> THIS TIME:  Not everyone can make a meeting....there* will* be raffle
> items that are tangible.  These two software raffled-off items, however, are
> easy to get to people no matter where they are.
>
>
> IF YOU WANT YOUR NAME IN THE RAFFLE FOR THE EBOOKS:  Do* NOT* post to the
> list [if you reply and post to list, you'll be* disqualified*] -* email me
> directly of your interest and I'll put your name in the 'hat'.*
>
>
> Winners will be notified at the meeting and online.
>
>
> --
>
> *Victoria L. Herring*, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs:
> http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography];  http://www.herringlaw.com
> [lawfirm]; http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal];
> Twitter: VictoriaJZ.
>
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> DMMUG at dmmug.org
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Tue Nov 24 16:18:10 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:18:10 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Secrets of Snow Leopard
Message-ID: <p0624086ac7320bf55135@[10.0.1.192]>

Jon Thompson, CW and whoever wants to chime in, on the topic of Snow 
Leopard and how it works and perhaps some nifty ideas of how things 
work or can work better in SL....see you tonite.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [lawfirm]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal]; 
Twitter: VictoriaJZ.

From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 24 21:04:23 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:04:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [DM-MUG] Tuesday Meeting & Webmaster Transition
In-Reply-To: <p0624084cc731af7aa4b1@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <508322.82817.qm@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Please inform of the content and topics covered at your convenience, if you desire. I can update it (Wednesday PM or Thursday) to be reflected in the past meetings portion of the DMMUG website. Add any external links or sources you wish to highlight/share/feature. David and I have begun working to transition things over, mainly behind
the scenes with some possible visible changes to the site.

Thanks for patiently bearing with us. And kindly bearing with me as there are many new things I'm learning along the way. Shout out goes to David for all his help and flexibility with this. I am offsite, as I now live in metro Phoenix, AZ. GoDaddy recently offered a position I accepted and am scheduled to begin in December. I will continue to post as a member from this personal email address, anastasia_prittee [at] yahoo.com and under an alias. Additionally any website related matters you can still use the webmaster [at] dmmug.org email address or direct it to abennett515 [at] gmail. 

Perhaps in the next year one of the return trips can be arranged to happily attend a meeting to meet some of the wonderful members. Happy holidays.? ... Wish someone could post a youtube video of how to deluctibly cook a 5 lb turkey for the inexperienced poultry and game cookers... Apple Care won't cover that. Least I have a fire extinguisher handy.

-A.

--- On Tue, 11/24/09, Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com> wrote:

From: Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com>
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Meeting Tuesday evening- IMPORTANT INSTRUCTIONS FOLLOW
To: "MUG Des Moines" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 8:43 AM


Fwd: [DM-MUG] Meeting Tuesday evening- IMPORTANT
INSTRUCTIThis was posted to list on Saturday.? It's all the info I
have.? I don't remember or know the discussion topics.


Meeting Tuesday evening - 7pm, usual
place - go to www.dmmug.org? - I forget the topic and hope
someone will suggest or explain.



Last meeting until 2010-- no meeting in
December.



?I'll be bringing things to raffle
off - a lapdesk =? some items from Avery [some will be given away
at the meeting as well] -- including TWO new Take Control eBooks
==



Jeff Carlson's "Take Control of Your
iPhone Apps" and

Ted Landau's "Take Control of iPhone
OS 3."



It's great to offer these in raffles, but
it would be REALLY nice if those who put their name in and win them
write a short review of them that we can post to the website and send
to TidBits.



THIS TIME:? Not everyone can make a
meeting....there will be raffle items that are tangible.?
These two software raffled-off items, however, are easy to get to
people no matter where they are.



IF YOU WANT YOUR NAME IN THE RAFFLE FOR
THE EBOOKS:? Do NOT post to the list [if you reply and
post to list, you'll be disqualified] - email me directly of
your interest and I'll put your name in the 'hat'.



Winners will be notified at the meeting
and online.


-- 
 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines,
Iowa. Blogs:? http://blog.JourneyZing.com? [photography];?
http://www.herringlaw.com? [lawfirm];
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/? [personal];
Twitter: VictoriaJZ.
 



      
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Tue Nov 24 21:24:53 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:24:53 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Tuesday Meeting & Webmaster Transition
In-Reply-To: <508322.82817.qm@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <508322.82817.qm@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p0624087fc73253b1211a@[10.0.1.192]>

actually, the TidBits folks have an ebook on Thanksgiving...youmight 
check it out [it's part of the TakeControl series] - but the secret 
is - slow-w-w-w-w cooking...and liquids and moisture in the oven 
[thru veggies or stuffing or whatever] - you'll do fine!

minutes taken and will be sent/uploaded

Much thanks!
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [lawfirm]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal]; 
Twitter: VictoriaJZ.

From woohoowoohoo at me.com  Tue Nov 24 22:46:53 2009
From: woohoowoohoo at me.com (mauri booton)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:46:53 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] iWeb Transfer from iMac To MacBook ~ Success!! Now on to
	MiFi...
Message-ID: <43565BD2-492F-404B-BFCF-CF92B13D200A@me.com>

Thanks for guiding me in moving my existing iWeb sites from my iMac to  
MacBook. Your suggestions worked and now I can be "mobile" and work on  
the site(s) AND my wife can update her blog while I work on the iMac.

Great meeting. Convinced me to upgrade to Snow Leopard.

I'm really seriously considering the Sprint MiFi to use with my Touch  
as well as when I travel and don't have access to a WiFi connection.  
I'm having a difficult time getting my head around the 5GB monthly  
limit. I've even visited some sites where they try to break it down to  
emails, downloads, etc. ~ but is there really a "clear and accurate"  
site to get that information? Thanks!!

Look forward to January's meeting.

~~ mauri booton ~~
http://www.caringbridge.org
site name: mauri

From jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com  Wed Nov 25 08:14:50 2009
From: jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:14:50 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] iWeb Transfer from iMac To MacBook ~ Success!! Now on
	to MiFi...
In-Reply-To: <43565BD2-492F-404B-BFCF-CF92B13D200A@me.com>
References: <43565BD2-492F-404B-BFCF-CF92B13D200A@me.com>
Message-ID: <865f37f30911250614y69fd8bdar275e71c2b6f45342@mail.gmail.com>

As long as you aren't playing games, or constantly on youtube or hulu,
you'll be fine with 5 GB monthly. I have a Verizon with a 5 GB limit, and
have never come close, even with using it full time during the floods of
'08.
-- 
Jon Thompson
Evolve
www.dmevolve.com


On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 10:46 PM, mauri booton <woohoowoohoo at me.com> wrote:

> Thanks for guiding me in moving my existing iWeb sites from my iMac to
> MacBook. Your suggestions worked and now I can be "mobile" and work on
> the site(s) AND my wife can update her blog while I work on the iMac.
>
> Great meeting. Convinced me to upgrade to Snow Leopard.
>
> I'm really seriously considering the Sprint MiFi to use with my Touch
> as well as when I travel and don't have access to a WiFi connection.
> I'm having a difficult time getting my head around the 5GB monthly
> limit. I've even visited some sites where they try to break it down to
> emails, downloads, etc. ~ but is there really a "clear and accurate"
> site to get that information? Thanks!!
>
> Look forward to January's meeting.
>
> ~~ mauri booton ~~
> http://www.caringbridge.org
> site name: mauri
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From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 25 09:13:37 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:13:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [DM-MUG] Update RE: Pokey Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <p0624083cc7314092a676@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <58591.81466.qm@web110305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I think I'm going to have to call Apple to see if they an help troubleshoot Aperture, otherwise I may have to do an exchange at the Apple store or see if they can credit a portion for the full version instead of the upgrade. 

Spaces and Expose seemed to work better after I did a hard shut down over night. I suspect the lagging Snow Leopard and choppy Spaces and Expose lead back to iTunes bogging down the system. Adding new internal SATA drive and more RAM would likely be a necessary route to reap the full performance benefits of using both at the same time. I have more than adequate requirements, but my iTunes library consumes the entire partition of half of a 750 GB secondary internal SATA drive. I've been wanting to further upgrade the RAM in the Mac Pro from 3G RAM. I'm thinking I'll ensure it with overkill with a pair of 4G sticks from Crucial.

I'll send a brief outline in another message of how one can configure "Spaces" based on function. Basically as workflow management.

Thanks, Victoria for the info about Tidbits Take Control re: Thanksgiving Turkey. I'm going to approach it with a sense of adventure! Now it may be I have more last minute company, so this has the potential to turn out to be quite a series of misadventures with the turkey. Maybe I will prep it the night before to do it properly.

-A.

--- On Tue, 11/24/09, Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com> wrote:

From: Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com>
Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Pokey Snow Leopard
To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 12:52 AM

I'm using Aperture 2+ on three SL machines just fine, so it's not 
that = and if you are getting that message ref compatibility, there's 
something else going on.? I don't use Spaces/Expose so can't comment 
on the rest but if you get this worked out I'd love to have you 
explain how Spaces/Expose work for you since I want to use them but 
haven't

-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com? [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com? [lawfirm]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/? [personal]; 
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From jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com  Wed Nov 25 09:25:50 2009
From: jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:25:50 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Update RE: Pokey Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <58591.81466.qm@web110305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <p0624083cc7314092a676@10.0.1.192>
	<58591.81466.qm@web110305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <865f37f30911250725p47a5fd20p914a5677f8f5c5a9@mail.gmail.com>

Anastasia,

On thing I pointed out last night was that hard drives should not be more
than 90% full. If your hard drive is, _or ever has been_, more than 90%
full, you need to use Carbon Copy Cloner, Disk Utility, or SuperDuper to
clone your drive to a bigger drive.

Once you get past that 90% threshold, you _must_ do that to maintain
stability in your Mac. Clearing off space doesn't remedy the fragmenting
issues that result.
-- 
Jon Thompson
Evolve
www.dmevolve.com


On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 9:13 AM, AB <anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I think I'm going to have to call Apple to see if they an help troubleshoot
> Aperture, otherwise I may have to do an exchange at the Apple store or see
> if they can credit a portion for the full version instead of the upgrade.
>
> Spaces and Expose seemed to work better after I did a hard shut down over
> night. I suspect the lagging Snow Leopard and choppy Spaces and Expose lead
> back to iTunes bogging down the system. Adding new internal SATA drive and
> more RAM would likely be a necessary route to reap the full performance
> benefits of using both at the same time. I have more than adequate
> requirements, but my iTunes library consumes the entire partition of half of
> a 750 GB secondary internal SATA drive. I've been wanting to further upgrade
> the RAM in the Mac Pro from 3G RAM. I'm thinking I'll ensure it with
> overkill with a pair of 4G sticks from Crucial.
>
> I'll send a brief outline in another message of how one can configure
> "Spaces" based on function. Basically as workflow management.
>
> Thanks, Victoria for the info about Tidbits Take Control re: Thanksgiving
> Turkey. I'm going to approach it with a sense of adventure! Now it may be I
> have more last minute company, so this has the potential to turn out to be
> quite a series of misadventures with the turkey. Maybe I will prep it the
> night before to do it properly.
>
> -A.
>
> --- On *Tue, 11/24/09, Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com>* wrote:
>
> From: Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com>
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Pokey Snow Leopard
> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 12:52 AM
>
> I'm using Aperture 2+ on three SL machines just fine, so it's not
> that = and if you are getting that message ref compatibility, there's
> something else going on.  I don't use Spaces/Expose so can't comment
> on the rest but if you get this worked out I'd love to have you
> explain how Spaces/Expose work for you since I want to use them but
> haven't
>
> --
> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs:
> http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography];
> http://www.herringlaw.com  [lawfirm];
> http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal];
> Twitter: VictoriaJZ
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
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From thorgrim at imaginarytower.org  Wed Nov 25 10:29:04 2009
From: thorgrim at imaginarytower.org (David McLaughlin)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:29:04 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Update RE: Pokey Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <58591.81466.qm@web110305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <58591.81466.qm@web110305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9ABEF5BA-9EC6-49BA-9C3B-A9ECB586016D@imaginarytower.org>

> I'm thinking I'll ensure it with overkill with a pair of 4G sticks  
> from Crucial.

Depending on which Mac Pro you have, you will either want to install a  
pair (Mac Pro early 2008, it likes 4 of a kind even better) or 3  
identical sticks (the newest Mac Pro).

Just check first to get the best performance.

Check out http://barefeats.com/nehal02.html for info on the new Mac Pro.

Or just check out their site http://barefeats.com/ lots of cool  
performance related info.

Dave McLaughlin

From alan.maupin at gmail.com  Wed Nov 25 16:58:19 2009
From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:58:19 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Update RE: Pokey Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <58591.81466.qm@web110305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <p0624083cc7314092a676@10.0.1.192>
	<58591.81466.qm@web110305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <e746971b0911251458k6dc8ad95yf7f38a081acfa2d1@mail.gmail.com>

AB it might be a good time to try Adobe Lightroom.  Adobe has released
Lightroom 3 beta: It's scheduled to expire on April 30, 2010 which allows
four months of free use.  I've been using Lightroom 3 beta for the past
month and it's operation has proven completely stable under Snow Leopard -
not one problem. I began by importing approximately 8500 RAW files (NEF or
Nikon) and have organized, deleted, treated and exported more than half of
them.  From my research, it's my understanding that Adobe has advanced
Lightroom quite a bit farther than the current release of Aperture, in
respect to 64 bit compatibility and also in market share.

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 9:13 AM, AB <anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I think I'm going to have to call Apple to see if they an help troubleshoot
> Aperture, otherwise I may have to do an exchange at the Apple store or see
> if they can credit a portion for the full version instead of the upgrade.
>
> Spaces and Expose seemed to work better after I did a hard shut down over
> night. I suspect the lagging Snow Leopard and choppy Spaces and Expose lead
> back to iTunes bogging down the system. Adding new internal SATA drive and
> more RAM would likely be a necessary route to reap the full performance
> benefits of using both at the same time. I have more than adequate
> requirements, but my iTunes library consumes the entire partition of half of
> a 750 GB secondary internal SATA drive. I've been wanting to further upgrade
> the RAM in the Mac Pro from 3G RAM. I'm thinking I'll ensure it with
> overkill with a pair of 4G sticks from Crucial.
>
> I'll send a brief outline in another message of how one can configure
> "Spaces" based on function. Basically as workflow management.
>
> Thanks, Victoria for the info about Tidbits Take Control re: Thanksgiving
> Turkey. I'm going to approach it with a sense of adventure! Now it may be I
> have more last minute company, so this has the potential to turn out to be
> quite a series of misadventures with the turkey. Maybe I will prep it the
> night before to do it properly.
>
> -A.
>
> --- On *Tue, 11/24/09, Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com>* wrote:
>
> From: Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com>
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Pokey Snow Leopard
> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 12:52 AM
>
> I'm using Aperture 2+ on three SL machines just fine, so it's not
> that = and if you are getting that message ref compatibility, there's
> something else going on.  I don't use Spaces/Expose so can't comment
> on the rest but if you get this worked out I'd love to have you
> explain how Spaces/Expose work for you since I want to use them but
> haven't
>
> --
> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs:
> http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography];
> http://www.herringlaw.com  [lawfirm];
> http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal];
> Twitter: VictoriaJZ
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> DMMUG at dmmug.org
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From alan.maupin at gmail.com  Thu Nov 26 14:28:12 2009
From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 14:28:12 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Windows 7 Snap vs Mac OS X TwoUp
Message-ID: <B15ED89B-F9A1-43A4-9F33-35A25E8F4C59@gmail.com>

I've made three installs of Windows 7 in the past few weeks and I've come to the conclusion that Windows 7 has one-upped OS X in the UI department with the Snap feature.  

The Snap feature saves an enormous amount of time and frustration in arranging Windows on the desktop.  Snap is one of those obscure features we subconsciously desire in any operating system.   Anyone who has spent any amount of time arranging Windows side by side on any OS will immedialtly appreciate this feature.

Description of Snap from a Microsoft website: Snap is a quick new way to resize open windows, simply by dragging them to the edges of your screen.  Depending on where you drag a window, you can make it expand vertically, take up the entire screen, or appear side-by-side with another window. Snap makes reading, organizing, and comparing windows fast and easy.

I wanted this feature on my Snow Leopard desktop so I did a little research and found an application called TwoUp and it is free.  Once you have this feature you will wonder how you ever lived without it.  TwoUp does not replicate Spaces or Expose.  In my opinion TwoUp is quite a bit more useful than Spaces or Expose in general.

The TwoUp application can be downloaded from this URL: http://www.irradiatedsoftware.com/twoup/

Once installed it appears in the menu bar where you can modify preferences.   If you are using Snow Leopard you will need to modify Systems Preferences - Universal Access.  Enable access for assistive devices.

Snap & TwoUp are one of those simple functions that is easy to appreciate, like a door knob or cupboard handle.

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From alan.maupin at gmail.com  Thu Nov 26 14:33:32 2009
From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 14:33:32 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
Message-ID: <2B545A22-15AA-4B56-9339-6BAB949692BB@gmail.com>

The problem is located in Finder application, on the Shared menu, under the submenu All:   random named URL's are showing up and are listed as Neighborhood.  

The most recent URL to show up is "wildfire.gigya.com"

It does not go away with a reboot.

Does anyone know what causes this issue?  Is it a security issue?


Thanks in advance,
Alan

From alan.maupin at gmail.com  Thu Nov 26 14:21:10 2009
From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 14:21:10 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Windows 7 Snap vs Mac OS X TwoUp
Message-ID: <3C130348-2140-4996-8CD3-E9AF9646E0FF@gmail.com>

I've made three installs of Windows 7 in the past few weeks and I've come to the conclusion that Windows 7 has one-upped OS X in the UI department with the Snap feature.  

The Snap feature saves an enormous amount of time and frustration in arranging Windows on the desktop.  Snap is one of those obscure features we subconsciously desire in any operating system.   Anyone who has spent any amount of time arranging Windows side by side on any OS will immedialtly appreciate this feature.

Description of Snap from a Microsoft website: Snap is a quick new way to resize open windows, simply by dragging them to the edges of your screen.  Depending on where you drag a window, you can make it expand vertically, take up the entire screen, or appear side-by-side with another window. Snap makes reading, organizing, and comparing windows fast and easy.

I wanted this feature on my Snow Leopard desktop so I did a little research and found an application called TwoUp and it is free.  Once you have this feature you will wonder how you ever lived without it.  TwoUp does not replicate Spaces or Expose.  In my opinion TwoUp is quite a bit more useful than Spaces or Expose in general.

The TwoUp application can be downloaded from this URL: http://www.irradiatedsoftware.com/twoup/

Once installed it appears in the menu bar (see the screenshot below) where you can modify preferences.   If you are using Snow Leopard you will need to modify Systems Preferences - Universal Access.  Enable access for assistive devices.

Snap & TwoUp are one of those simple functions that is easy to appreciate, like a door knob or cupboard handle.


--alan

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From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 26 16:01:02 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 14:01:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
In-Reply-To: <2B545A22-15AA-4B56-9339-6BAB949692BB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <966218.70574.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Does unchecking the web sharing in Sharing found in the System Preferences help any?

Also in System Preferences >>> Spotlight
uncheck the webpages. 

I'd also clear your history, cookies, and cache in your web browser, whichever one you elect to use.? Check your settings, some brower settings and preferences have a place where users can turn off/on "allow websites to store offline data"

Reboot. These are just my ideas. I haven't had any similar problems, so I don't know.

Sometimes other computers in the house and in the neighborhood pop up and are listed in the Shared (Devices) list, but then nothing is there. I myself can see my windows laptop, but for some reason it fails to connect, but I can acess my mac's main drive from my windows laptop, so that's alright for now. 

--- On Thu, 11/26/09, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com>
Subject: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 1:33 PM

The problem is located in Finder application, on the Shared menu, under the submenu All:???random named URL's are showing up and are listed as Neighborhood.? 

The most recent URL to show up is "wildfire.gigya.com"

It does not go away with a reboot.

Does anyone know what causes this issue?? Is it a security issue?


Thanks in advance,
Alan



      
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From vlh at herringlaw.com  Thu Nov 26 18:09:17 2009
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 18:09:17 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Windows 7 Snap vs Mac OS X TwoUp
In-Reply-To: <3C130348-2140-4996-8CD3-E9AF9646E0FF@gmail.com>
References: <3C130348-2140-4996-8CD3-E9AF9646E0FF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d9699a800911261609k1a8c81f4vd8daf54dcb398f@mail.gmail.com>

great idea == downloaded and tried it and it works fine...not sure when I'll
use it but will test it out

On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've made three installs of Windows 7 in the past few weeks and I've come
> to the conclusion that Windows 7 has one-upped OS X in the UI department
> with the Snap feature.
>
> The Snap feature saves an enormous amount of time and frustration in
> arranging Windows on the desktop.  Snap is one of those obscure features we
> subconsciously desire in any operating system.   Anyone who has spent any
> amount of time arranging Windows side by side on any OS will immedialtly
> appreciate this feature.
>
> Description of Snap from a Microsoft website: Snap is a quick new way to
> resize open windows, simply by dragging them to the edges of your screen.
>  Depending on where you drag a window, you can make it expand vertically,
> take up the entire screen, or appear side-by-side with another window. Snap
> makes reading, organizing, and comparing windows fast and easy.
>
> I wanted this feature on my Snow Leopard desktop so I did a little research
> and found an application called TwoUp and it is free.  Once you have this
> feature you will wonder how you ever lived without it.  TwoUp does not
> replicate Spaces or Expose.  In my opinion TwoUp is quite a bit more useful
> than Spaces or Expose in general.
>
> The TwoUp application can be downloaded from this URL:
> http://www.irradiatedsoftware.com/twoup/
>
> Once installed it appears in the menu bar (see the screenshot below) where
> you can modify preferences.   If you are using Snow Leopard you will need to
> modify Systems Preferences - Universal Access.  Enable access for assistive
> devices.
>
> Snap & TwoUp are one of those simple functions that is easy to appreciate,
> like a door knob or cupboard handle.
>
>
> --alan
>
>
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From alan.maupin at gmail.com  Thu Nov 26 21:06:53 2009
From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:06:53 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
In-Reply-To: <966218.70574.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <966218.70574.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <34646674-4EC3-4C98-A2CB-2BA788E9EAB2@gmail.com>

AB this is really annoying.  This is something I'd expect out of Windows.  I've researched and there are other discussion on the web about this issue but no solutions.   



On Nov 26, 2009, at 4:01 PM, AB wrote:

> Does unchecking the web sharing in Sharing found in the System Preferences help any?
> 
> Also in System Preferences >>> Spotlight
> uncheck the webpages. 
> 
> I'd also clear your history, cookies, and cache in your web browser, whichever one you elect to use.  Check your settings, some brower settings and preferences have a place where users can turn off/on "allow websites to store offline data"
> 
> Reboot. These are just my ideas. I haven't had any similar problems, so I don't know.
> 
> Sometimes other computers in the house and in the neighborhood pop up and are listed in the Shared (Devices) list, but then nothing is there. I myself can see my windows laptop, but for some reason it fails to connect, but I can acess my mac's main drive from my windows laptop, so that's alright for now. 
> 
> --- On Thu, 11/26/09, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> From: Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com>
> Subject: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 1:33 PM
> 
> The problem is located in Finder application, on the Shared menu, under the submenu All:   random named URL's are showing up and are listed as Neighborhood.  
> 
> The most recent URL to show up is "wildfire.gigya.com"
> 
> It does not go away with a reboot.
> 
> Does anyone know what causes this issue?  Is it a security issue?
> 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Alan
> 
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From woohoowoohoo at me.com  Thu Nov 26 21:51:06 2009
From: woohoowoohoo at me.com (mauri booton)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:51:06 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] iTunes 9 iMix "Issue"
Message-ID: <ECD1BFF0-9FE6-4A3A-8D39-1B5980843271@me.com>

I create iMixes using iTunes. In versions prior to 9 if a song I  
submitted for my iMix didn't match up exactly with the song/artist/ 
album in the iTunes library, it initially rejected it for the iMix.  
The workaround was to go to iTunes Store and find the preview of the  
song (probably on a different album) and then just drag that preview  
file into your iMix playlist file after deleting your version of the  
song/file. A little bit cumbersome, but doable.

As I just submitted my first iMix playlist using iTunes 9, it  
"rejected" 58 of 100 songs from my iMix leaving me with a 42 song  
iMix. When I went to "replace" those 58 songs using the iTunes Store  
"preview" songs file it wouldn't allow me to drag the preview file  
into my iMix playlist. I checked online and saw that others were  
having this problem too.

Does anyone know of a workaround for this issue? If there is no  
workaround, can I have TWO versions of iTunes on the same computer and  
not run into any issues?

Thanks!!

~~ mauri booton ~~

Example: I may have a song I ripped from a cd that was on the original  
album of the artist, but iTunes only carries the song on the Hits  
version of the album ~ so according to the iMix "logic" it's NOT a  
match and is excluded from the iMix.
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From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 26 22:15:37 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:15:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
In-Reply-To: <34646674-4EC3-4C98-A2CB-2BA788E9EAB2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <40074.55835.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Alan,

Sounds annoying. I don't have any new ideas other than what I first suggested. The more people that use Mac, the more viruses will become more of a problem. Macs haven't had the problems Windows has with viruses because only 13 percent of computer users own mac, though that stat might have changed since I last knew. 

See what the Mac Geniuses have to say at the Apple Store? Find out if Disk Warrior could help. Run Tech Tool.app and diagnostics tests? I'm interested in knowing what is the ultimate cause of the Finder issue. 

Now for important stuff like peach crisp for dessert with butter pecan ice cream.

-A.

--- On Thu, 11/26/09, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 8:06 PM

AB this is really annoying. ?This is something I'd expect out of Windows. ?I've researched and there are other discussion on the web about this issue but no solutions. ??


On Nov 26, 2009, at 4:01 PM, AB wrote:
Does unchecking the web sharing in Sharing found in the System Preferences help any?

Also in System Preferences >>> Spotlight
uncheck the webpages. 

I'd also clear your history, cookies, and cache in your web browser, whichever one you elect to use.? Check your settings, some brower settings and preferences have a place where users can turn off/on "allow websites to store offline data"

Reboot. These are just my ideas. I haven't had any similar problems, so I don't know.

Sometimes other computers in the house and in the neighborhood pop up and are listed in the Shared (Devices) list, but then nothing is there. I myself can see my windows laptop, but for some reason it fails to connect, but I can acess my mac's main drive from my windows laptop, so that's alright for now. 

--- On Thu, 11/26/09, Alan Maupin
 <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com>
Subject: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 1:33 PM

The problem is located in Finder application, on the Shared menu, under the submenu All:???random named URL's are showing up and are listed as Neighborhood.? 

The most recent URL to show up is "wildfire.gigya.com"

It does not go away with a reboot.

Does anyone know what causes this issue?? Is it a security issue?


Thanks in advance,
Alan






      
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From alan.maupin at gmail.com  Thu Nov 26 23:10:36 2009
From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:10:36 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
In-Reply-To: <40074.55835.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <40074.55835.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6FF4CF5D-A1C8-4ECA-8008-000A2164B92A@gmail.com>

Thank you AB.  I appreciate the information you've provided.  I've been fixated on Ham all day.  Yes I eat too much meat.  


On Nov 26, 2009, at 10:15 PM, AB wrote:

> Alan,
> 
> Sounds annoying. I don't have any new ideas other than what I first suggested. The more people that use Mac, the more viruses will become more of a problem. Macs haven't had the problems Windows has with viruses because only 13 percent of computer users own mac, though that stat might have changed since I last knew. 
> 
> See what the Mac Geniuses have to say at the Apple Store? Find out if Disk Warrior could help. Run Tech Tool.app and diagnostics tests? I'm interested in knowing what is the ultimate cause of the Finder issue. 
> 
> Now for important stuff like peach crisp for dessert with butter pecan ice cream.
> 
> -A.
> 
> --- On Thu, 11/26/09, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> From: Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 8:06 PM
> 
> AB this is really annoying.  This is something I'd expect out of Windows.  I've researched and there are other discussion on the web about this issue but no solutions.   
> 
> 
> On Nov 26, 2009, at 4:01 PM, AB wrote:
> Does unchecking the web sharing in Sharing found in the System Preferences help any?
> 
> Also in System Preferences >>> Spotlight
> uncheck the webpages. 
> 
> I'd also clear your history, cookies, and cache in your web browser, whichever one you elect to use.  Check your settings, some brower settings and preferences have a place where users can turn off/on "allow websites to store offline data"
> 
> Reboot. These are just my ideas. I haven't had any similar problems, so I don't know.
> 
> Sometimes other computers in the house and in the neighborhood pop up and are listed in the Shared (Devices) list, but then nothing is there. I myself can see my windows laptop, but for some reason it fails to connect, but I can acess my mac's main drive from my windows laptop, so that's alright for now. 
> 
> --- On Thu, 11/26/09, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> From: Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com>
> Subject: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 1:33 PM
> 
> The problem is located in Finder application, on the Shared menu, under the submenu All:   random named URL's are showing up and are listed as Neighborhood.  
> 
> The most recent URL to show up is "wildfire.gigya.com"
> 
> It does not go away with a reboot.
> 
> Does anyone know what causes this issue?  Is it a security issue?
> 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Alan
>> 
> 
> 
> 
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From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 28 21:15:40 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 19:15:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [DM-MUG] Update RE: Pokey Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <9ABEF5BA-9EC6-49BA-9C3B-A9ECB586016D@imaginarytower.org>
Message-ID: <108564.63619.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I'm planning on getting a pair of 4G sticks in late Dec from OWC. www.eshop.macsales.com, they have them at the cheapest price I could find online and locally, for $255. They also claim to ship the same day and offer free standard ground shipping. The Mac Pro model I have only accepts the FB DDR2-PC5300 667 MHz. Unless someone knows something I don't, the faster DDR2s for 800 MHz+ wouldn't work for the 2006/2007 model with the quadcore Intel Xeon's 'Woodcrest' processor.? 

-A.
--- On Wed, 11/25/09, David McLaughlin <thorgrim at imaginarytower.org> wrote:

From: David McLaughlin <thorgrim at imaginarytower.org>
Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Update RE: Pokey Snow Leopard
To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 9:29 AM

> I'm thinking I'll ensure it with overkill with a pair of 4G sticks? 
> from Crucial.

Depending on which Mac Pro you have, you will either want to install a? 
pair (Mac Pro early 2008, it likes 4 of a kind even better) or 3? 
identical sticks (the newest Mac Pro).

Just check first to get the best performance.

Check out http://barefeats.com/nehal02.html for info on the new Mac Pro.

Or just check out their site http://barefeats.com/ lots of cool? 
performance related info.

Dave McLaughlin
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From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 28 21:41:05 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 19:41:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [DM-MUG] =?utf-8?q?Mac_Pro_upgrades=E2=80=94hard_drive_formatting?=
In-Reply-To: <865f37f30911250725p47a5fd20p914a5677f8f5c5a9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <542296.86796.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

This topic is a spin off from the Snow Leopard topic from last week.

I was thinking I was safe with the disk space until Jon pointed it out. I went by Fry's Electronics, which is like the 2 story, ultimate electronics mega super store chain only in the Western part of the US, the size of the Wells Fargo Arena or the Iowa Cubs Stadium. They didn't have any 750G internal hdd on the shelf, I was annoyed and asked. Found out it's because they were in lock up, and the salesperson gave me some paperwork, I go up to the check out counter and find out it's on special for $50. which is considerably cheaper than the website indicated. I was pleased.

My question is pretty simple: When I use Disk Utility to format the drive, according to lowendmac.com I should format it as APM in case I want any pre-intel macs to be able to recognize the harddrive? I want to make sure I format it correctly so I don't find out the hard way if the situation ever presents itself. 

Under Disk Utility >>> Restore 
This is where I can 'clone' my harddrive correct? Does my boot drive absolutely NEED to be in Bay 1? Or can I 'clone' the drive to the new, larger drive in Bay 4 and designate that drive (APM) as my boot drive? If I 'clone' it I think the drive is GPT, so am I stuck with GPT when cloned? Is there a workaround? Hope all I'm asking makes sense.

Lastly, isn't there a way to share the secondary drives? I have a drive in Bay 3 partitioned and formatted as FAT32 since that was supposed to be the format both Mac and PC can read/write. I have never been able to share it, and thought maybe someone could enlighten me? Windows can access the default startup SATA drive, but never has been able to 'see' the secondary drive in Bay 3. 

Thanks in advance! 
-A.

--- On Wed, 11/25/09, Jon Thompson <jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com> wrote:

From: Jon Thompson <jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com>
Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Update RE: Pokey Snow Leopard
To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 8:25 AM

Anastasia,
On thing I pointed out last night was that hard drives should not be more than 90% full. If your hard drive is, _or ever has been_, more than 90% full, you need to use Carbon Copy Cloner, Disk Utility, or SuperDuper to clone your drive to a bigger drive.

Once you get past that 90% threshold, you _must_ do that to maintain stability in your Mac. Clearing off space doesn't remedy the fragmenting issues that result.
-- 
Jon Thompson

Evolve
www.dmevolve.com



On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 9:13 AM, AB <anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com> wrote:

I think I'm going to have to call Apple to see if they an help troubleshoot Aperture, otherwise I may have to do an exchange at the Apple store or see if they can credit a portion for the full version instead of the upgrade. 


Spaces and Expose seemed to work better after I did a hard shut down over night. I suspect the lagging Snow Leopard and choppy Spaces and Expose lead back to iTunes bogging down the system. Adding new internal SATA drive and more RAM would likely be a necessary route to reap the full performance benefits of using both at the same time. I have more than adequate requirements, but my iTunes library consumes the entire partition of half of a 750 GB secondary internal SATA drive. I've been wanting to further upgrade the RAM in the Mac Pro from 3G RAM. I'm thinking I'll ensure it with overkill with a pair of 4G sticks from
 Crucial.

I'll send a brief outline in another message of how one can configure "Spaces" based on function. Basically as workflow management.

Thanks, Victoria for the info about Tidbits Take Control re: Thanksgiving Turkey. I'm going to approach it with a sense of adventure! Now it may be I have more last minute company, so this has the potential to turn out to be quite a series of misadventures with the turkey. Maybe I will prep it the night before to do it properly.


-A.

--- On Tue, 11/24/09, Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com> wrote:

From: Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com>
Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Pokey Snow Leopard
To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>

Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 12:52 AM

I'm using Aperture 2+ on three SL machines just fine, so it's not 
that = and if you are getting that message ref compatibility,
 there's 
something else going on.? I don't use Spaces/Expose so can't comment 
on the rest but if you get this worked out I'd love to have you 
explain how Spaces/Expose work for you since I want to use them but 

haven't

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From inflatablesoulmate at brothersofchaos.com  Sat Nov 28 23:22:12 2009
From: inflatablesoulmate at brothersofchaos.com (Matt Stanton)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 23:22:12 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG]
 =?utf-8?q?Mac_Pro_upgrades=E2=80=94hard_drive_formatting?=
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References: <542296.86796.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B120504.7060509@brothersofchaos.com>

Assuming you're capable of running snow leopard, I'll have to assume you 
also are using an intel mac.  For the first question about what format 
to use for the new drive, do you ever plan on physically taking the 
drive out of the Mac Pro and installing it into an older Mac?  If not, 
then there is no reason to worry about it.  The GPT partition table 
format allows you more flexibility with resizing partitions in the 
future, and is a standard supported by Intel when an Intel device goes 
searching for a partition to boot.

For additional hard drives you wish to share, technically the filesystem 
should not matter.  If the hard drive is going to stay connected to only 
that one computer, then any filesystem that computer can read/write can 
be used.  All the windows computers on the network simply ask the Mac 
computer if it would mind sending the file to them.  The Mac will read 
the file off the hard drive and send it over TCP/IP to the windows 
computer using a protocol that was developed by Microsoft for 
filesharing between windows computers (SMB).  Luckily, some geeks got 
together and reverse-engineered that protocol to come up with a package 
for linux systems called 'Samba', which is probably also what Mac OS X 
uses to communicate with windows PCs.  Basically, though, this means 
that the other computer doesn't have to know how to read or write to the 
filesystem that is shared.  It only has to know how to talk to that 
hosting computer over the network, and the hosting computer does all the 
reading and writing itself.

If you are using some sort of portable or external hard drive, then you 
may want to use the FAT32 file system, though, since just about any 
computer will know how to use it.  That way if you are taking your 
thumbdrive, or an external USB hard drive from one computer to the 
other, then they will all know how to handle it.


> This topic is a spin off from the Snow Leopard topic from last week.
>
> I was thinking I was safe with the disk space until Jon pointed it 
> out. I went by Fry's Electronics, which is like the 2 story, ultimate 
> electronics mega super store chain only in the Western part of the US, 
> the size of the Wells Fargo Arena or the Iowa Cubs Stadium. They 
> didn't have any 750G internal hdd on the shelf, I was annoyed and 
> asked. Found out it's because they were in lock up, and the 
> salesperson gave me some paperwork, I go up to the check out counter 
> and find out it's on special for $50. which is considerably cheaper 
> than the website indicated. I was pleased.
>
> My question is pretty simple: When I use Disk Utility to format the 
> drive, according to lowendmac.com I should format it as APM in case I 
> want any pre-intel macs to be able to recognize the harddrive? I want 
> to make sure I format it correctly so I don't find out the hard way if 
> the situation ever presents itself.
>
> Under Disk Utility >>> Restore
> This is where I can 'clone' my harddrive correct? Does my boot drive 
> absolutely NEED to be in Bay 1? Or can I 'clone' the drive to the new, 
> larger drive in Bay 4 and designate that drive (APM) as my boot drive? 
> If I 'clone' it I think the drive is GPT, so am I stuck with GPT when 
> cloned? Is there a workaround? Hope all I'm asking makes sense.
>
> Lastly, isn't there a way to share the secondary drives? I have a 
> drive in Bay 3 partitioned and formatted as FAT32 since that was 
> supposed to be the format both Mac and PC can read/write. I have never 
> been able to share it, and thought maybe someone could enlighten me? 
> Windows can access the default startup SATA drive, but never has been 
> able to 'see' the secondary drive in Bay 3.
>
> Thanks in advance!
> -A.
>
> --- On *Wed, 11/25/09, Jon Thompson /<jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com>/* 
> wrote:
>
> From: Jon Thompson <jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com>
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Update RE: Pokey Snow Leopard
> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 8:25 AM
>
> Anastasia,
> On thing I pointed out last night was that hard drives should not be 
> more than 90% full. If your hard drive is, _or ever has been_, more 
> than 90% full, you need to use Carbon Copy Cloner, Disk Utility, or 
> SuperDuper to clone your drive to a bigger drive.
> Once you get past that 90% threshold, you _must_ do that to maintain 
> stability in your Mac. Clearing off space doesn't remedy the 
> fragmenting issues that result.
> -- 
> Jon Thompson
> Evolve
> www.dmevolve.com <http://www.dmevolve.com>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 9:13 AM, AB <anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com 
> </mc/compose?to=anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com>> wrote:
> I think I'm going to have to call Apple to see if they an help 
> troubleshoot Aperture, otherwise I may have to do an exchange at the 
> Apple store or see if they can credit a portion for the full version 
> instead of the upgrade.
>
> Spaces and Expose seemed to work better after I did a hard shut down 
> over night. I suspect the lagging Snow Leopard and choppy Spaces and 
> Expose lead back to iTunes bogging down the system. Adding new 
> internal SATA drive and more RAM would likely be a necessary route to 
> reap the full performance benefits of using both at the same time. I 
> have more than adequate requirements, but my iTunes library consumes 
> the entire partition of half of a 750 GB secondary internal SATA 
> drive. I've been wanting to further upgrade the RAM in the Mac Pro 
> from 3G RAM. I'm thinking I'll ensure it with overkill with a pair of 
> 4G sticks from Crucial.
>
> I'll send a brief outline in another message of how one can configure 
> "Spaces" based on function. Basically as workflow management.
>
> Thanks, Victoria for the info about Tidbits Take Control re: 
> Thanksgiving Turkey. I'm going to approach it with a sense of 
> adventure! Now it may be I have more last minute company, so this has 
> the potential to turn out to be quite a series of misadventures with 
> the turkey. Maybe I will prep it the night before to do it properly.
>
> -A.
>
> --- On *Tue, 11/24/09, Victoria L. Herring /<VLH at HerringLaw.com>/* wrote:
>
> From: Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com>
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Pokey Snow Leopard
> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org 
> </mc/compose?to=dmmug at dmmug.org>>
> Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 12:52 AM
>
> I'm using Aperture 2+ on three SL machines just fine, so it's not
> that = and if you are getting that message ref compatibility, there's
> something else going on.  I don't use Spaces/Expose so can't comment
> on the rest but if you get this worked out I'd love to have you
> explain how Spaces/Expose work for you since I want to use them but
> haven't
>
> -- 
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> http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography];
> http://www.herringlaw.com  [lawfirm];
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> Twitter: VictoriaJZ
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From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 29 09:47:54 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 07:47:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [DM-MUG] iTunes 9 iMix "Issue"
In-Reply-To: <ECD1BFF0-9FE6-4A3A-8D39-1B5980843271@me.com>
Message-ID: <189819.81458.qm@web110301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I don't know if this helps any. I've not use the iMix feature before, but I always just make playlists composed of the mix of songs I want to hear, and then shuffle the playlist even further. iTunes doesn't reject those. I also scan the art from the CDs for any album art I want included. 

If I'm opting for the iTunes DJ, and I want to add a song for it to play, I just click the song and drag it on the iTunes DJ. It doesn't reject it. 

Hope that helps a little.
-A.

--- On Thu, 11/26/09, mauri booton <woohoowoohoo at me.com> wrote:

From: mauri booton <woohoowoohoo at me.com>
Subject: [DM-MUG] iTunes 9 iMix "Issue"
To: dmmug at dmmug.org
Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 8:51 PM

I create iMixes using iTunes. In versions prior to 9 if a song I submitted for my iMix didn't match up exactly with the song/artist/album in the iTunes library, it initially rejected it for the iMix. The workaround was to go to iTunes Store and find the preview of the song (probably on a different album) and then just drag that preview file into your iMix playlist file after deleting your version of the song/file. A little bit cumbersome, but doable.
As I just submitted my first iMix playlist using iTunes 9, it "rejected" 58 of 100 songs from my iMix leaving me with a 42 song iMix. When I went to "replace" those 58 songs using the iTunes Store "preview" songs file it wouldn't allow me to drag the preview file into my iMix playlist. I checked online and saw that others were having this problem too.
Does anyone know of a workaround for this issue? If there is no workaround, can I have TWO versions of iTunes on the same computer and not run into any issues?
Thanks!!
~~ mauri booton ~~
Example: I may have a song I ripped from a cd that was on the original album of the artist, but iTunes only carries the song on the Hits version of the album ~ so according to the iMix "logic" it's NOT a match and is excluded from the iMix.



      
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From john at createmydvd.com  Sun Nov 29 12:52:29 2009
From: john at createmydvd.com (John Robertson)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 13:52:29 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Using RAID with Tiger
Message-ID: <7165C503-045E-4902-8762-D1ED0007F7DC@createmydvd.com>

Just wondering if anyone has any experience using RAID on a single  
user OS.  I purchased a new 1TB drive and I was thinking of  
partitioning it to use as a mirror for my 500G drive.  I have two  
questions before I attempt this. The 1st question is, will it erase  
the contents of the old drive (the 500 gig) that I am adding the 1TB  
to when I turn on RAID? Also, what are the differences between RAID  
mirrored and RAID Striped? I understand how Mirroring works and a  
little about RAID 5 (which is only available on servers) but I don't  
know which of the other option available here would be better to use.

Thanks,
    John


From alan.maupin at gmail.com  Sun Nov 29 14:32:30 2009
From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 14:32:30 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
In-Reply-To: <40074.55835.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <40074.55835.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CB0255CE-C1CE-406E-BB10-7D18150103C6@gmail.com>

This issue seems to be quite a bit more complicated that I had imagined.   There is not a a large amount of information on this problem.  I found a threaded discussion that accurately describes the problem but does not provide a solution:

Information found relating to the the posted issue: <http://forums.macrumors.com/archive/index.php/t...%3C/t-474370.html>






On Nov 26, 2009, at 10:15 PM, AB wrote:

> Alan,
> 
> Sounds annoying. I don't have any new ideas other than what I first suggested. The more people that use Mac, the more viruses will become more of a problem. Macs haven't had the problems Windows has with viruses because only 13 percent of computer users own mac, though that stat might have changed since I last knew. 
> 
> See what the Mac Geniuses have to say at the Apple Store? Find out if Disk Warrior could help. Run Tech Tool.app and diagnostics tests? I'm interested in knowing what is the ultimate cause of the Finder issue. 
> 
> Now for important stuff like peach crisp for dessert with butter pecan ice cream.
> 
> -A.
> 
> --- On Thu, 11/26/09, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> From: Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 8:06 PM
> 
> AB this is really annoying.  This is something I'd expect out of Windows.  I've researched and there are other discussion on the web about this issue but no solutions.   
> 
> 
> On Nov 26, 2009, at 4:01 PM, AB wrote:
> Does unchecking the web sharing in Sharing found in the System Preferences help any?
> 
> Also in System Preferences >>> Spotlight
> uncheck the webpages. 
> 
> I'd also clear your history, cookies, and cache in your web browser, whichever one you elect to use.  Check your settings, some brower settings and preferences have a place where users can turn off/on "allow websites to store offline data"
> 
> Reboot. These are just my ideas. I haven't had any similar problems, so I don't know.
> 
> Sometimes other computers in the house and in the neighborhood pop up and are listed in the Shared (Devices) list, but then nothing is there. I myself can see my windows laptop, but for some reason it fails to connect, but I can acess my mac's main drive from my windows laptop, so that's alright for now. 
> 
> --- On Thu, 11/26/09, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> From: Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com>
> Subject: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 1:33 PM
> 
> The problem is located in Finder application, on the Shared menu, under the submenu All:   random named URL's are showing up and are listed as Neighborhood.  
> 
> The most recent URL to show up is "wildfire.gigya.com"
> 
> It does not go away with a reboot.
> 
> Does anyone know what causes this issue?  Is it a security issue?
> 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Alan
>> 
> 
> 
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From vlh at herringlaw.com  Sun Nov 29 18:57:34 2009
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 19:57:34 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
In-Reply-To: <2B545A22-15AA-4B56-9339-6BAB949692BB@gmail.com>
References: <2B545A22-15AA-4B56-9339-6BAB949692BB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d9699a800911291657m20b3000at214d27abc682a70e@mail.gmail.com>

you can go to Apple.com and set up a phone support call and explain the
whole problem in the message so the person you speak to has an idea of the
reason for the support call.  Seems easier than going out to the Apple Store
- maybe a first step.

I certainly don't know but if you are having things show up in the finder
window you might go to the Prefs for Finder and check on what is listed as
contents on sidebar =- I don't know what Neighborhood would be other than
perhaps you have Bluetooth or Bonjour enabled???  And they/it are picking up
signals??

On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:

> The problem is located in Finder application, on the Shared menu, under the
> submenu All:   random named URL's are showing up and are listed as
> Neighborhood.
>
> The most recent URL to show up is "wildfire.gigya.com"
>
> It does not go away with a reboot.
>
> Does anyone know what causes this issue?  Is it a security issue?
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Alan
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From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 29 19:05:24 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 17:05:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [DM-MUG] Using RAID with Tiger
In-Reply-To: <7165C503-045E-4902-8762-D1ED0007F7DC@createmydvd.com>
Message-ID: <465063.51438.qm@web110312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

As I understand it...
RAID Mirrored mirrors the contents and files of a single drive in the event that drive fails?see excerpts from the info Jon gave.
RAID Stripped takes content and distributes it across multiple drives. Kind of like putting multiple support beams in. Each hard drive is a support beam and collectively behave as one unit. One of those drives failing won't necessarily have detrimental repercussions. I believe John Thompson gave a detailed description. Though I might be confused on this. 

As far as erasing contents on the existing drive, I'm not sure and was wondering the same thing myself.

Here's what I saved for reference on what was mentioned before about RAID. I thought there was another detailed summary, Jon gave, but I this seems to be all I saved.

Jon Thompson wrote this on May 19, 2009:

1) A good backup is a verifiable backup
If you are dumping info into Time Machine,
and you are _never_ pulling info back out of it and checking, how do
you know that the data is good? In the instance of the SideKick data,
this means that they would have known that the backup is good, and that
they could rely on it. Until you know that you can recover from it, you
cannot call it a good backup.
2) A good backup consists of many backups of the same data.
I
store three months of backups, and I consider that too little, but
don't dare increase my budget. If you are relying on all of your data
being on a single hard drive, what happens if there is a fire and both
your computer and backup is lost? If all of your backup is in one cloud
(Mozy) and that cloud bursts like the SideKick cloud did, you are
hosed. Now, if you have daily backups on a time machine volume, and a
weekly backup to Mozy, you are protected from either example. Mozy is
your offsite backup, the time machine?
3) Synchronization is not backup.
Synchronization
ensures that all of you data is the same between all instances that you
create. If you are syncing your address book on your mac with an
iPhone, you have two instances of the data, but they are tied together.
If you delete a contact on one (or a virus deletes all of them) that
deletion is transferred to your backup. I realize that there are ways
that the sync service tries to reduce the chance of this, but it is
still a possibility. However, an offline copy of your address book on a
USB thumb drive that is not plugged into your computer cannot not be
changed, at least until it is plugged in again. Dropbox is a
synchronization service.
4) RAID is not backup.
RAID
(except 0) is a way to protect from hard drive crashes. It does not
protect from application corruption, accidental deletion, or
intentional deletion. All of which are much more likely than hard drive
corruption during the majority of the life of a hard drive. RAID is
useful for server admins that deal with distributing data amongst many
hard drives, which actually is a great way to exponentially increase the likelihood of data loss due to hard drive failure.
RAID
0 offers no protection at all- in fact, it is will exponentially
increase your likelihood of data loss due to hard drive failure. Be
careful when purchasing large external hard drive, as they are sometimes two drives that are internally configured as RAID 0. This is useful for professional video primarily.
5) Backup as sparse as you are willing to recover from.
- If you couldn't stand losing more than a week's worth of data, you'd best be backing up weekly.- If you couldn't stand losing more than a day's worth of data, you'd best be backing up daily.- If you couldn't stand losing more than an hour's worth of data, you'd best be backing up hourly.?
You know what is important and what is not. Make sure to taylor your backup routine to your needs. Incremental backups, such as Time Machine are good about this.


--- On Sun, 11/29/09, John Robertson <john at createmydvd.com> wrote:

From: John Robertson <john at createmydvd.com>
Subject: [DM-MUG] Using RAID with Tiger
To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 11:52 AM

Just wondering if anyone has any experience using RAID on a single? 
user OS.? I purchased a new 1TB drive and I was thinking of? 
partitioning it to use as a mirror for my 500G drive.? I have two? 
questions before I attempt this. The 1st question is, will it erase? 
the contents of the old drive (the 500 gig) that I am adding the 1TB? 
to when I turn on RAID? Also, what are the differences between RAID? 
mirrored and RAID Striped? I understand how Mirroring works and a? 
little about RAID 5 (which is only available on servers) but I don't? 
know which of the other option available here would be better to use.

Thanks,
? ? John

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From jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com  Sun Nov 29 23:23:56 2009
From: jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 23:23:56 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Using RAID with Tiger
In-Reply-To: <465063.51438.qm@web110312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <7165C503-045E-4902-8762-D1ED0007F7DC@createmydvd.com>
	<465063.51438.qm@web110312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <865f37f30911292123o6fabaed6kb4e37cef7fc070be@mail.gmail.com>

Please note that the article Anastasia reposted to the list is available on
my company website www.dmevolve.com, as well as other articles.

Anastasia has it wrong. If we're talking about support beams...

- RAID1 is making sure that every beam is at 50% capacity- you can lose half
and your building won't fail.
- RAID0 is making sure that every beam is at 100% capacity- you can't lose a
single beam without losing the building.

RAID0 takes individual files, divides them in half and splits them between
drives, so if you lose one drive, you've lost all of your data. This doubles
the write speed of the drives, which is why it is used at all, for specific
purposes, which are _always_ stored elsewhere as well.

Striped is RAID 0 and like I said, increases the likelihood of data loss.
Avoid it unless you know exactly why you want it. RAID 1 performs the exact
function of making a SuperDuper or Carbon Copy Cloner mirror of your drive.
Except that it does it better, as it is in real time. It _only_ protects you
from disk failure, which is actually a rarity, unless your drive is very new
or very old. In the latter case, it is a better idea to get a new drive,
burn it in for two weeks, then migrate your data to it using CCC.

As for configuring a RAID. Disk Utility will wipe all drives when creating a
RAID. However, it is possible to do it without wiping the drive using the
diskutil command line application. Please do not do this unless you are
comfortable with the commands and how to  modify my examples to suit your
needs. I am not teaching you how to get to the command line. If you don't
already know, this is not the set of commands for you, as there is a very
real chance to lose your data.

diskutil list (pay attention to the drivenumbers, which are listed as
"disk#". Most Macs have a boot drive of disk0)
diskutil enableRAID mirror disk<drivenumber of main boot partition>
diskutil repairMirror disk<drivenumber of main boot partition>
disk<drivenumber of empty drive>

The other thing is that the 1 TB drive will effectively become 500 GB,
wasting the remaining space. I do not believe it is possible to partition
part of a drive that is used in RAID, but could be wrong, as I _never_ use
non-matching drives in RAID, like you are wanting to do here. Part of this
is I/O. It is imperative that data is written to the two hard drives
simultaneously, otherwise, data corrupting bottlenecks are possible. Since
one hard drive is now responsible for two partitions, it no longer has 100%
of it's time dedicated to maintaining the RAID.

Finally, the only way that I would consider doing a software based raid is
if you have two internal drives, such as in a MacPro, XServe, or the new Mac
Mini Server. DO NOT DO RAID OVER FIREWIRE. (Unless you are buying a
RAID-based device like a Drobo, or the better performing Promise SmartStor
DS4600, which house all drives internally.) If you have one drive internal,
and the other over firewire and you pull the cord out, you are going to
rebuild your RAID. Same with the power cord. It's just not a good idea, as
you are increasing the likelihood of compromising your redundancy.
-- 
Jon Thompson
Evolve
www.dmevolve.com


On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 7:05 PM, AB <anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com> wrote:

> As I understand it...
> RAID Mirrored mirrors the contents and files of a single drive in the event
> that drive fails?see excerpts from the info Jon gave.
> RAID Stripped takes content and distributes it across multiple drives. Kind
> of like putting multiple support beams in. Each hard drive is a support beam
> and collectively behave as one unit. One of those drives failing won't
> necessarily have detrimental repercussions. I believe John Thompson gave a
> detailed description. Though I might be confused on this.
>
> As far as erasing contents on the existing drive, I'm not sure and was
> wondering the same thing myself.
>
> Here's what I saved for reference on what was mentioned before about RAID.
> I thought there was another detailed summary, Jon gave, but I this seems to
> be all I saved.
>
> Jon Thompson wrote this on May 19, 2009:
>
> *1) A good backup is a verifiable backup*
>
> If you are dumping info into Time Machine, and you are _never_ pulling
> info back out of it and checking, how do you know that the data is good? In
> the instance of the SideKick data, this means that they would have known
> that the backup is good, and that they could rely on it. Until you know that
> you can recover from it, you cannot call it a good backup.
>
> *2) A good backup consists of many backups of the same data.*
>
> I store three months of backups, and I consider that too little, but don't
> dare increase my budget. If you are relying on all of your data being on a
> single hard drive, what happens if there is a fire and both your computer
> and backup is lost? If all of your backup is in one cloud (Mozy) and that
> cloud bursts like the SideKick cloud did, you are hosed. Now, if you have
> daily backups on a time machine volume, and a weekly backup to Mozy, you are
> protected from either example. Mozy is your offsite backup, the time
> machine
>
> *3) Synchronization is not backup.*
>
> Synchronization ensures that all of you data is the same between all
> instances that you create. If you are syncing your address book on your mac
> with an iPhone, you have two instances of the data, but they are tied
> together. If you delete a contact on one (or a virus deletes all of them)
> that deletion is transferred to your backup. I realize that there are ways
> that the sync service tries to reduce the chance of this, but it is still a
> possibility. However, an offline copy of your address book on a USB thumb
> drive that is not plugged into your computer cannot not be changed, at least
> until it is plugged in again. Dropbox is a synchronization service.
>
> *4) RAID is not backup.*
>
> RAID (except 0) is a way to protect from hard drive crashes. It does not
> protect from application corruption, accidental deletion, or intentional
> deletion. All of which are much more likely than hard drive corruption
> during the majority of the life of a hard drive. RAID is useful for server
> admins that deal with distributing data amongst many hard drives, which
> actually is a great way to exponentially increase the likelihood of data
> loss due to hard drive failure.
>
> RAID 0 offers no protection at all- in fact, it is will exponentially
> increase your likelihood of data loss due to hard drive failure. Be careful
> when purchasing large external hard drive, as they are sometimes two
> drives that are internally configured as RAID 0. This is useful for
> professional video primarily.
>
> *5) Backup as sparse as you are willing to recover from.*
>
> - If you couldn't stand losing more than a week's worth of data, you'd best
> be backing up weekly.
> - If you couldn't stand losing more than a day's worth of data, you'd best
> be backing up daily.
> - If you couldn't stand losing more than an hour's worth of data, you'd
> best be backing up hourly.
>
> You know what is important and what is not. Make sure to taylor your backup
> routine to your needs. Incremental backups, such as Time Machine are good
> about this.
>
>
>
> --- On *Sun, 11/29/09, John Robertson <john at createmydvd.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: John Robertson <john at createmydvd.com>
> Subject: [DM-MUG] Using RAID with Tiger
> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 11:52 AM
>
>
> Just wondering if anyone has any experience using RAID on a single
> user OS.  I purchased a new 1TB drive and I was thinking of
> partitioning it to use as a mirror for my 500G drive.  I have two
> questions before I attempt this. The 1st question is, will it erase
> the contents of the old drive (the 500 gig) that I am adding the 1TB
> to when I turn on RAID? Also, what are the differences between RAID
> mirrored and RAID Striped? I understand how Mirroring works and a
> little about RAID 5 (which is only available on servers) but I don't
> know which of the other option available here would be better to use.
>
> Thanks,
>     John
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From jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com  Sun Nov 29 23:37:06 2009
From: jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 23:37:06 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
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Alan, I have to assume by the "Shared" menu, you mean the shared section of
the sidebar, as there isn't actually a menu named "Shared".

What you are seeing are other computers on your network that are appearing
and disappearing. I would suspect that you are using a public wireless
connection, such as a coffee shop. Another possibility is that you have an
insecure wireless network in your home, and people are utilizing it without
your knowledge other than this. Finally, there is a slim possibility that
your cable modem is misconfigured so that you are not firewalled off from a
neighbor. This was actually common with early cable modems, and is quite
rare now.

Anyhow, if you are on a public network and seeing these devices, do not
fret. While they can see your computer, they cannot get in, provided you
don't have anything turned on in the Sharing System Preference or you've
created secure accounts and do not have guest access turned on.

In no way is this a virus, but rather the Mac OS telling you what else is on
the network.
-- 
Jon Thompson
Evolve
www.dmevolve.com


On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Victoria L. Herring <vlh at herringlaw.com>wrote:

> you can go to Apple.com and set up a phone support call and explain the
> whole problem in the message so the person you speak to has an idea of the
> reason for the support call.  Seems easier than going out to the Apple Store
> - maybe a first step.
>
> I certainly don't know but if you are having things show up in the finder
> window you might go to the Prefs for Finder and check on what is listed as
> contents on sidebar =- I don't know what Neighborhood would be other than
> perhaps you have Bluetooth or Bonjour enabled???  And they/it are picking up
> signals??
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> The problem is located in Finder application, on the Shared menu, under
>> the submenu All:   random named URL's are showing up and are listed as
>> Neighborhood.
>>
>> The most recent URL to show up is "wildfire.gigya.com"
>>
>> It does not go away with a reboot.
>>
>> Does anyone know what causes this issue?  Is it a security issue?
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Alan
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>
>
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From jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com  Mon Nov 30 00:14:25 2009
From: jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 00:14:25 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG]
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- I wouldn't worry about using APM, as we are talking about an internal
drive that won't leave the computer (unless for a newer machine.) In fact,
you may find that Apple drops APM support in the future, as the tech is
getting older, and this would be par for the course with Apple. I don't have
inside knowledge, except that I do know that Snow Leopard doesn't run on
PPC, so why make it reverse compatible with booting on a disk format that
isn't used any more?
- The computer does not care where the boot drive is physically located. You
can tell it where to load from temporarily with the option key at boot time,
or permanently with the Startup Disk SysPref.
- It's generally a bad idea to format disks for the Mac with anything other
than Mac OS Extended (Journaled) unless you have a compelling reason to do
so. As Matt said (and I am paraphrasing), the OS allows sharing of any
format disk, as the software translates it into something that the
connecting computer can read. On external disks, you lose the ability to use
Time Machine, as it requires Mac OS X Extended (Journaled.) Fat32 is a
non-journaled filesystem, meaning that disk corruption takes much longer to
recover from.
- What you are probably missing in terms of the sharing is that you need to
add the share point in the File Sharing system preference. If the drive is
not there, it is because the Mac OS does not allow the sharing of FAT32
drives (I don't know, I haven't tried) and you should re-format as Mac OS X
Extended.
-- 
Jon Thompson
Evolve
www.dmevolve.com


On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 9:41 PM, AB <anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com> wrote:

> This topic is a spin off from the Snow Leopard topic from last week.
>
> I was thinking I was safe with the disk space until Jon pointed it out. I
> went by Fry's Electronics, which is like the 2 story, ultimate electronics
> mega super store chain only in the Western part of the US, the size of the
> Wells Fargo Arena or the Iowa Cubs Stadium. They didn't have any 750G
> internal hdd on the shelf, I was annoyed and asked. Found out it's because
> they were in lock up, and the salesperson gave me some paperwork, I go up to
> the check out counter and find out it's on special for $50. which is
> considerably cheaper than the website indicated. I was pleased.
>
> My question is pretty simple: When I use Disk Utility to format the drive,
> according to lowendmac.com I should format it as APM in case I want any
> pre-intel macs to be able to recognize the harddrive? I want to make sure I
> format it correctly so I don't find out the hard way if the situation ever
> presents itself.
>
> Under Disk Utility >>> Restore
> This is where I can 'clone' my harddrive correct? Does my boot drive
> absolutely NEED to be in Bay 1? Or can I 'clone' the drive to the new,
> larger drive in Bay 4 and designate that drive (APM) as my boot drive? If I
> 'clone' it I think the drive is GPT, so am I stuck with GPT when cloned? Is
> there a workaround? Hope all I'm asking makes sense.
>
> Lastly, isn't there a way to share the secondary drives? I have a drive in
> Bay 3 partitioned and formatted as FAT32 since that was supposed to be the
> format both Mac and PC can read/write. I have never been able to share it,
> and thought maybe someone could enlighten me? Windows can access the default
> startup SATA drive, but never has been able to 'see' the secondary drive in
> Bay 3.
>
> Thanks in advance!
> -A.
>
> --- On *Wed, 11/25/09, Jon Thompson <jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com>* wrote:
>
> From: Jon Thompson <jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com>
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Update RE: Pokey Snow Leopard
> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 8:25 AM
>
> Anastasia,
> On thing I pointed out last night was that hard drives should not be more
> than 90% full. If your hard drive is, _or ever has been_, more than 90%
> full, you need to use Carbon Copy Cloner, Disk Utility, or SuperDuper to
> clone your drive to a bigger drive.
> Once you get past that 90% threshold, you _must_ do that to maintain
> stability in your Mac. Clearing off space doesn't remedy the fragmenting
> issues that result.
> --
> Jon Thompson
> Evolve
> www.dmevolve.com
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 9:13 AM, AB <anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> I think I'm going to have to call Apple to see if they an help troubleshoot
> Aperture, otherwise I may have to do an exchange at the Apple store or see
> if they can credit a portion for the full version instead of the upgrade.
>
> Spaces and Expose seemed to work better after I did a hard shut down over
> night. I suspect the lagging Snow Leopard and choppy Spaces and Expose lead
> back to iTunes bogging down the system. Adding new internal SATA drive and
> more RAM would likely be a necessary route to reap the full performance
> benefits of using both at the same time. I have more than adequate
> requirements, but my iTunes library consumes the entire partition of half of
> a 750 GB secondary internal SATA drive. I've been wanting to further upgrade
> the RAM in the Mac Pro from 3G RAM. I'm thinking I'll ensure it with
> overkill with a pair of 4G sticks from Crucial.
>
> I'll send a brief outline in another message of how one can configure
> "Spaces" based on function. Basically as workflow management.
>
> Thanks, Victoria for the info about Tidbits Take Control re: Thanksgiving
> Turkey. I'm going to approach it with a sense of adventure! Now it may be I
> have more last minute company, so this has the potential to turn out to be
> quite a series of misadventures with the turkey. Maybe I will prep it the
> night before to do it properly.
>
> -A.
>
> --- On *Tue, 11/24/09, Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com>* wrote:
>
> From: Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com>
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Pokey Snow Leopard
> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org<http://mc/compose?to=dmmug at dmmug.org>
> >
> Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 12:52 AM
>
> I'm using Aperture 2+ on three SL machines just fine, so it's not
> that = and if you are getting that message ref compatibility, there's
> something else going on.  I don't use Spaces/Expose so can't comment
> on the rest but if you get this worked out I'd love to have you
> explain how Spaces/Expose work for you since I want to use them but
> haven't
>
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From alan.maupin at gmail.com  Mon Nov 30 00:34:28 2009
From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 00:34:28 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
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Jon,  thanks for the information:  I'm using a Airport with WPA2 security.  My MacPro OS X 10.6.2 has the firewall enabled. I'm using a newer DSL modem: Actiontec GT70.  So far I've come to the conclusion that I am intercepting perceived shared resources.  By perceived I mean that there is nothing there except a empty directory.





On Nov 29, 2009, at 11:37 PM, Jon Thompson wrote:

> Alan, I have to assume by the "Shared" menu, you mean the shared section of the sidebar, as there isn't actually a menu named "Shared".
> 
> What you are seeing are other computers on your network that are appearing and disappearing. I would suspect that you are using a public wireless connection, such as a coffee shop. Another possibility is that you have an insecure wireless network in your home, and people are utilizing it without your knowledge other than this. Finally, there is a slim possibility that your cable modem is misconfigured so that you are not firewalled off from a neighbor. This was actually common with early cable modems, and is quite rare now.
> 
> Anyhow, if you are on a public network and seeing these devices, do not fret. While they can see your computer, they cannot get in, provided you don't have anything turned on in the Sharing System Preference or you've created secure accounts and do not have guest access turned on.
> 
> In no way is this a virus, but rather the Mac OS telling you what else is on the network.
> -- 
> Jon Thompson
> Evolve
> www.dmevolve.com
> 
> 
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Victoria L. Herring <vlh at herringlaw.com> wrote:
> you can go to Apple.com and set up a phone support call and explain the whole problem in the message so the person you speak to has an idea of the reason for the support call.  Seems easier than going out to the Apple Store - maybe a first step.
> 
> I certainly don't know but if you are having things show up in the finder window you might go to the Prefs for Finder and check on what is listed as contents on sidebar =- I don't know what Neighborhood would be other than perhaps you have Bluetooth or Bonjour enabled???  And they/it are picking up signals??
> 
> 
> On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:
> The problem is located in Finder application, on the Shared menu, under the submenu All:   random named URL's are showing up and are listed as Neighborhood.
> 
> The most recent URL to show up is "wildfire.gigya.com"
> 
> It does not go away with a reboot.
> 
> Does anyone know what causes this issue?  Is it a security issue?
> 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Alan
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From inflatablesoulmate at brothersofchaos.com  Mon Nov 30 01:16:05 2009
From: inflatablesoulmate at brothersofchaos.com (Matt Stanton)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 01:16:05 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Using RAID with Tiger
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Here are some of the pros and cons of RAID setups:
RAID0 (striping): 2 500GB drives == One RAID volume of 1000GB
pros:
Twice the data transfer throughput of a single HD
Only requires 2 HDs
You have the amount of space of both hard drives combined
cons:
If one drive fails, you lose all the data on both drives

RAID1 (mirroring): 2 500GB drives == One RAID volume of 500GB
pros:
Only requires 2 HDs
If one drive fails, you still have all of your data
cons:
No speed boost over a single drive
You have only half the combined storage space of both hard drives.

RAID5 (striping + parity): 3 500GB drives == One Raid volume of 1000GB
pros:
Twice the data transfer throughput of a single HD
If one drive fails, you have half your data, plus enough parity data to 
regenerate the other half
cons:
If one drive fails, you not only lose the throughput of the second drive 
(you drop to the throughput of a single drive), but any data that was 
lost on the failed drive must be regenerated from the two surviving 
drives when you access the data (this shouldn't cause an additional 
performance drop, since the hard drives are where the speed bottlenecks, 
but if you are using software RAID, it would mean extra processing on 
the CPU)
Requires at least 3 equally-sized hard drives

RAID10, RAID0+1, RAID1+0, RAID1&0 (striping + mirroring): 4 500GB drives 
== One Raid volume of 1000GB
pros:
Twice the data transfer throughput of a single HD
Data can survive the failure of 2 HDs
If 1 or 2 drives fail, you retain the throughput performance of the 
striped array
cons:
Requires 4 drives and gives you half the combined space of those 4 drives

There are also RAID3 and RAID4, which are similar to RAID5, in that they 
are a mirrored+parity array (they just handle the parity differently 
than the RAID5 array does).  RAID6 is a mirror+parity type of array that 
uses 2 parity drives so that it can survive the loss of 2 drives, where 
RAID3,4,5 would only be able to survive the loss of 1 drive.

RAID0 is only really useful if you need to be able to hotswap the failed 
drive.  Otherwise, it makes much more sense to use two drives of the 
same size and do regular or incremental backups.
RAID1 is dangerous, and only useful if you need to be able to read/write 
data to a hard drive much faster than a normal user.  It would be 
recommended for use as the drive that the operating system and 
applications are saved to (since you can usually reinstall the OS and 
Applications from their original media).  All data/documents should be 
saved to a separate drive.
RAID5 is especially useful in a server environment, since it allows the 
server to continue functioning even if a drive dies.  Generally the 
server supports hot-swappable drives so that when a drive fails, you 
simply pull it out and replace it with a new drive, and the data is 
automatically regenerated with the server still running.  RAID5 is also 
a better choice if you don't have the money for the more expensive 
RAID10 style arrays.
RAID10 is the most fault-tolerant of the arrays, while also giving you 
extra speed.  This type of array is the most expensive, though, since 
you get only half the storage space of the 4 drives.

The only RAID type that is of much noticeable benefit on a desktop 
computer is RAID0.  Many people use a RAID0 array as a temporary storage 
area for programs that do large amounts of data manipulation, such as 
video editing.  In the windows world, it is often used on gaming 
computers to reduce game load time.  In either case, everything on the 
RAID0 array should be backed up to a secondary location regularly.

All of the other raid types are used for either a mix of performance and 
data safety or for data safety on its own.  You would get the same level 
of safety if you simply back up all of your important data regularly.  
RAID mirroring will not protect your data against accidental deletion or 
overwriting, which is why backups are important.

I am a bit leery of Software RAID (which is what is present on most 
desktop computers these days).  Since the array is dependent on the OS 
to achieve the results, you are still using processor power and sending 
extra data over the SATA/IDE bus.  Hardware RAID was/is available in 
many Macs (at least, I have seen it available in the Mac Pro line), and 
if you have the hardware RAID card, then you would be well-served to use 
it (assuming you can afford the extra hard drives).

- Matt

Jon Thompson wrote:
> Please note that the article Anastasia reposted to the list is 
> available on my company website www.dmevolve.com 
> <http://www.dmevolve.com>, as well as other articles.
>
> Anastasia has it wrong. If we're talking about support beams...
>
> - RAID1 is making sure that every beam is at 50% capacity- you can 
> lose half and your building won't fail.
> - RAID0 is making sure that every beam is at 100% capacity- you can't 
> lose a single beam without losing the building.
>
> RAID0 takes individual files, divides them in half and splits them 
> between drives, so if you lose one drive, you've lost all of your 
> data. This doubles the write speed of the drives, which is why it is 
> used at all, for specific purposes, which are _always_ stored 
> elsewhere as well.
>
> Striped is RAID 0 and like I said, increases the likelihood of data 
> loss. Avoid it unless you know exactly why you want it. RAID 1 
> performs the exact function of making a SuperDuper or Carbon Copy 
> Cloner mirror of your drive. Except that it does it better, as it is 
> in real time. It _only_ protects you from disk failure, which is 
> actually a rarity, unless your drive is very new or very old. In the 
> latter case, it is a better idea to get a new drive, burn it in for 
> two weeks, then migrate your data to it using CCC.
>
> As for configuring a RAID. Disk Utility will wipe all drives when 
> creating a RAID. However, it is possible to do it without wiping the 
> drive using the diskutil command line application. Please do not do 
> this unless you are comfortable with the commands and how to  modify 
> my examples to suit your needs. I am not teaching you how to get to 
> the command line. If you don't already know, this is not the set of 
> commands for you, as there is a very real chance to lose your data.
>
> diskutil list (pay attention to the drivenumbers, which are listed as 
> "disk#". Most Macs have a boot drive of disk0)
> diskutil enableRAID mirror disk<drivenumber of main boot partition>
> diskutil repairMirror disk<drivenumber of main boot partition> 
> disk<drivenumber of empty drive>
>
> The other thing is that the 1 TB drive will effectively become 500 GB, 
> wasting the remaining space. I do not believe it is possible to 
> partition part of a drive that is used in RAID, but could be wrong, as 
> I _never_ use non-matching drives in RAID, like you are wanting to do 
> here. Part of this is I/O. It is imperative that data is written to 
> the two hard drives simultaneously, otherwise, data corrupting 
> bottlenecks are possible. Since one hard drive is now responsible for 
> two partitions, it no longer has 100% of it's time dedicated to 
> maintaining the RAID.
>
> Finally, the only way that I would consider doing a software based 
> raid is if you have two internal drives, such as in a MacPro, XServe, 
> or the new Mac Mini Server. DO NOT DO RAID OVER FIREWIRE. (Unless you 
> are buying a RAID-based device like a Drobo, or the better performing 
> Promise SmartStor DS4600, which house all drives internally.) If you 
> have one drive internal, and the other over firewire and you pull the 
> cord out, you are going to rebuild your RAID. Same with the power 
> cord. It's just not a good idea, as you are increasing the likelihood 
> of compromising your redundancy.
> -- 
> Jon Thompson
> Evolve
> www.dmevolve.com <http://www.dmevolve.com>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 7:05 PM, AB <anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com 
> <mailto:anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
>     As I understand it...
>     RAID Mirrored mirrors the contents and files of a single drive in
>     the event that drive fails?see excerpts from the info Jon gave.
>     RAID Stripped takes content and distributes it across multiple
>     drives. Kind of like putting multiple support beams in. Each hard
>     drive is a support beam and collectively behave as one unit. One
>     of those drives failing won't necessarily have detrimental
>     repercussions. I believe John Thompson gave a detailed
>     description. Though I might be confused on this.
>
>     As far as erasing contents on the existing drive, I'm not sure and
>     was wondering the same thing myself.
>
>     Here's what I saved for reference on what was mentioned before
>     about RAID. I thought there was another detailed summary, Jon
>     gave, but I this seems to be all I saved.
>
>     Jon Thompson wrote this on May 19, 2009:
>
>     *1) A good backup is a verifiable backup*
>
>     If you are dumping info into Time Machine, and you are _never_
>     pulling info back out of it and checking, how do you know that the
>     data is good? In the instance of the SideKick data, this means
>     that they would have known that the backup is good, and that they
>     could rely on it. Until you know that you can recover from it, you
>     cannot call it a good backup.
>
>     *2) A good backup consists of many backups of the same data.*
>
>     I store three months of backups, and I consider that too little,
>     but don't dare increase my budget. If you are relying on all of
>     your data being on a single hard drive, what happens if there is a
>     fire and both your computer and backup is lost? If all of your
>     backup is in one cloud (Mozy) and that cloud bursts like the
>     SideKick cloud did, you are hosed. Now, if you have daily backups
>     on a time machine volume, and a weekly backup to Mozy, you are
>     protected from either example. Mozy is your offsite backup, the
>     time machine 
>
>     *3) Synchronization is not backup.*
>
>     Synchronization ensures that all of you data is the same between
>     all instances that you create. If you are syncing your address
>     book on your mac with an iPhone, you have two instances of the
>     data, but they are tied together. If you delete a contact on one
>     (or a virus deletes all of them) that deletion is transferred to
>     your backup. I realize that there are ways that the sync service
>     tries to reduce the chance of this, but it is still a possibility.
>     However, an offline copy of your address book on a USB thumb drive
>     that is not plugged into your computer cannot not be changed, at
>     least until it is plugged in again. Dropbox is a synchronization
>     service.
>
>     *4) RAID is not backup.*
>
>     RAID (except 0) is a way to protect from hard drive crashes. It
>     does not protect from application corruption, accidental deletion,
>     or intentional deletion. All of which are much more likely than
>     hard drive corruption during the majority of the life of a hard
>     drive. RAID is useful for server admins that deal with
>     distributing data amongst many hard drives, which actually is a
>     great way to exponentially increase the likelihood of data loss
>     due to hard drive failure.
>
>     RAID 0 offers no protection at all- in fact, it is will
>     exponentially increase your likelihood of data loss due to hard
>     drive failure. Be careful when purchasing large external hard
>     drive, as they are sometimes two drives that are internally
>     configured as RAID 0. This is useful for professional video primarily.
>
>     *5) Backup as sparse as you are willing to recover from.*
>
>     - If you couldn't stand losing more than a week's worth of data,
>     you'd best be backing up weekly.
>     - If you couldn't stand losing more than a day's worth of data,
>     you'd best be backing up daily.
>     - If you couldn't stand losing more than an hour's worth of data,
>     you'd best be backing up hourly. 
>
>     You know what is important and what is not. Make sure to taylor
>     your backup routine to your needs. Incremental backups, such as
>     Time Machine are good about this.
>
>
>
>     --- On *Sun, 11/29/09, John Robertson /<john at createmydvd.com
>     <mailto:john at createmydvd.com>>/* wrote:
>
>
>     From: John Robertson <john at createmydvd.com
>     <mailto:john at createmydvd.com>>
>     Subject: [DM-MUG] Using RAID with Tiger
>     To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org
>     <mailto:dmmug at dmmug.org>>
>     Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 11:52 AM
>
>
>     Just wondering if anyone has any experience using RAID on a single 
>     user OS.  I purchased a new 1TB drive and I was thinking of 
>     partitioning it to use as a mirror for my 500G drive.  I have two 
>     questions before I attempt this. The 1st question is, will it erase 
>     the contents of the old drive (the 500 gig) that I am adding the 1TB 
>     to when I turn on RAID? Also, what are the differences between RAID 
>     mirrored and RAID Striped? I understand how Mirroring works and a 
>     little about RAID 5 (which is only available on servers) but I don't 
>     know which of the other option available here would be better to use.
>
>     Thanks,
>         John
>
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From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 29 19:21:49 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 17:21:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
Message-ID: <171379.50220.qm@web110307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

When typing in wildfire.gigya.com I got a "directory not listed" message, see screenshot.
I went to the gigya.com website. It is a social media and content management internet based company with offices in CA, NY, and Israel. 

Perhaps they can investigate their own security on their servers since the discussion thread mentioned it was a leak in the respective company's network servers.

here's the contact info for them. 

Whether you have a comment, a bug to report,

or a press or business inquiry, please use the following contact information. 

We will get back to you as soon as possible.

                
            
                

                    
                            Liza Hausman, Gigya 
                            

                            650.353.4178 Office
                            

                            

                            Mark Naples, WIT
                            

                            215.893.0581 Direct

                            646.265.7372 Cell
                        
                        
                            Customer Support and Product Feedback Inquiries: support at gigya-inc.com
                        
                            Sales related inquiries: sales at gigya-inc.com
                        
                            Partner and Business Development Inquiries: bizdev at gigya-inc.comQuestions Relating to Terms of Use and/or our Privacy Policy:
                            privacy at gigya-inc.com
                    
                
                
                    
                        Our offices
                        Palo Alto Office (Corporate Headquarters)
                        
                            855 El Camino Real

                            Building 4, Suite 290

                            Palo Alto, CA 94301

                            650.353.7230
                    
                    
                        New York Office. 
                        817 Broadway, 10th Floor

                        New York, NY 10003-4709

                        646.722.8137

                    
                    
                        Tel Aviv Office 
                        
                            132 Begin road

                            Azrieli round tower (13 floor)

                            Tel Aviv, Israel 67021

                            +972.73.7852400

--- On Sun, 11/29/09, Victoria L. Herring <vlh at herringlaw.com> wrote:

From: Victoria L. Herring <vlh at herringlaw.com>
Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
Cc: alan.maupin at gmail.com
Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 5:57 PM

you can go to Apple.com and set up a phone support call and explain the whole problem in the message so the person you speak to has an idea of the reason for the support call. ?Seems easier than going out to the Apple Store - maybe a first step.

I certainly don't know but if you are having things show up in the finder window you might go to the Prefs for Finder and check on what is listed as contents on sidebar =- I don't know what Neighborhood would be other than perhaps you have Bluetooth or Bonjour enabled??? ?And they/it are picking up signals??


On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:

The problem is located in Finder application, on the Shared menu, under the submenu All: ? random named URL's are showing up and are listed as Neighborhood.



The most recent URL to show up is "wildfire.gigya.com"



It does not go away with a reboot.



Does anyone know what causes this issue? ?Is it a security issue?





Thanks in advance,

Alan






      
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From alan.maupin at gmail.com  Mon Nov 30 02:13:49 2009
From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 02:13:49 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
In-Reply-To: <171379.50220.qm@web110307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <171379.50220.qm@web110307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4891EB9F-6186-4A86-88A2-5D1B4D3AF8D3@gmail.com>

AB thank you very much for this information.  You are quite the internet sleuth!


On Nov 29, 2009, at 7:21 PM, AB wrote:

> When typing in wildfire.gigya.com I got a "directory not listed" message, see screenshot.
> I went to the gigya.com website. It is a social media and content management internet based company with offices in CA, NY, and Israel. 
> 
> Perhaps they can investigate their own security on their servers since the discussion thread mentioned it was a leak in the respective company's network servers.
> 
> here's the contact info for them. 
> 
> Whether you have a comment, a bug to report,
> or a press or business inquiry, please use the following contact information. 
> We will get back to you as soon as possible.
> 
> Liza Hausman, Gigya 
> 650.353.4178 Office 
> 
> Mark Naples, WIT 
> 215.893.0581 Direct
> 646.265.7372 Cell
> Customer Support and Product Feedback Inquiries: support at gigya-inc.com
> 
> Sales related inquiries: sales at gigya-inc.com
> 
> Partner and Business Development Inquiries: bizdev at gigya-inc.com
> 
> Questions Relating to Terms of Use and/or our Privacy Policy:
> privacy at gigya-inc.com
> Our offices
> 
> Palo Alto Office (Corporate Headquarters)
> 
> 855 El Camino Real
> Building 4, Suite 290
> Palo Alto, CA 94301
> 650.353.7230
> New York Office.
> 
> 817 Broadway, 10th Floor
> New York, NY 10003-4709
> 646.722.8137
> Tel Aviv Office
> 
> 132 Begin road
> Azrieli round tower (13 floor)
> Tel Aviv, Israel 67021
> +972.73.7852400
> 
> --- On Sun, 11/29/09, Victoria L. Herring <vlh at herringlaw.com> wrote:
> 
> From: Victoria L. Herring <vlh at herringlaw.com>
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> Cc: alan.maupin at gmail.com
> Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 5:57 PM
> 
> you can go to Apple.com and set up a phone support call and explain the whole problem in the message so the person you speak to has an idea of the reason for the support call.  Seems easier than going out to the Apple Store - maybe a first step.
> 
> I certainly don't know but if you are having things show up in the finder window you might go to the Prefs for Finder and check on what is listed as contents on sidebar =- I don't know what Neighborhood would be other than perhaps you have Bluetooth or Bonjour enabled???  And they/it are picking up signals??
> 
> On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:
> The problem is located in Finder application, on the Shared menu, under the submenu All:   random named URL's are showing up and are listed as Neighborhood.
> 
> The most recent URL to show up is "wildfire.gigya.com"
> 
> It does not go away with a reboot.
> 
> Does anyone know what causes this issue?  Is it a security issue?
> 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Alan
> 
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From inflatablesoulmate at brothersofchaos.com  Mon Nov 30 02:40:39 2009
From: inflatablesoulmate at brothersofchaos.com (Matt Stanton)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 02:40:39 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Using RAID with Tiger
In-Reply-To: <4B137135.60205@brothersofchaos.com>
References: <7165C503-045E-4902-8762-D1ED0007F7DC@createmydvd.com>	<465063.51438.qm@web110312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>	<865f37f30911292123o6fabaed6kb4e37cef7fc070be@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B137135.60205@brothersofchaos.com>
Message-ID: <4B138507.2030109@brothersofchaos.com>

Bleh, it was bound to happen, but I got the raid types confused halfway 
through the email.

Where I said:

RAID0 is only really useful if you need to be able to hotswap the failed 
drive.  Otherwise, it makes much more sense to use two drives of the 
same size and do regular or incremental backups.
RAID1 is dangerous, and only useful if you need to be able to read/write 
data to a hard drive much faster than a normal user.


It should read:

RAID1 is only really useful if you need to be able to hotswap the failed 
drive.  Otherwise, it makes much more sense to use two drives of the 
same size and do regular or incremental backups.
RAID0 is dangerous, and only useful if you need to be able to read/write 
data to a hard drive much faster than a normal user.



Matt Stanton wrote:
> Here are some of the pros and cons of RAID setups:
> RAID0 (striping): 2 500GB drives == One RAID volume of 1000GB
> pros:
> Twice the data transfer throughput of a single HD
> Only requires 2 HDs
> You have the amount of space of both hard drives combined
> cons:
> If one drive fails, you lose all the data on both drives
>
> RAID1 (mirroring): 2 500GB drives == One RAID volume of 500GB
> pros:
> Only requires 2 HDs
> If one drive fails, you still have all of your data
> cons:
> No speed boost over a single drive
> You have only half the combined storage space of both hard drives.
>
> RAID5 (striping + parity): 3 500GB drives == One Raid volume of 1000GB
> pros:
> Twice the data transfer throughput of a single HD
> If one drive fails, you have half your data, plus enough parity data to 
> regenerate the other half
> cons:
> If one drive fails, you not only lose the throughput of the second drive 
> (you drop to the throughput of a single drive), but any data that was 
> lost on the failed drive must be regenerated from the two surviving 
> drives when you access the data (this shouldn't cause an additional 
> performance drop, since the hard drives are where the speed bottlenecks, 
> but if you are using software RAID, it would mean extra processing on 
> the CPU)
> Requires at least 3 equally-sized hard drives
>
> RAID10, RAID0+1, RAID1+0, RAID1&0 (striping + mirroring): 4 500GB drives 
> == One Raid volume of 1000GB
> pros:
> Twice the data transfer throughput of a single HD
> Data can survive the failure of 2 HDs
> If 1 or 2 drives fail, you retain the throughput performance of the 
> striped array
> cons:
> Requires 4 drives and gives you half the combined space of those 4 drives
>
> There are also RAID3 and RAID4, which are similar to RAID5, in that they 
> are a mirrored+parity array (they just handle the parity differently 
> than the RAID5 array does).  RAID6 is a mirror+parity type of array that 
> uses 2 parity drives so that it can survive the loss of 2 drives, where 
> RAID3,4,5 would only be able to survive the loss of 1 drive.
>
> RAID0 is only really useful if you need to be able to hotswap the failed 
> drive.  Otherwise, it makes much more sense to use two drives of the 
> same size and do regular or incremental backups.
> RAID1 is dangerous, and only useful if you need to be able to read/write 
> data to a hard drive much faster than a normal user.  It would be 
> recommended for use as the drive that the operating system and 
> applications are saved to (since you can usually reinstall the OS and 
> Applications from their original media).  All data/documents should be 
> saved to a separate drive.
> RAID5 is especially useful in a server environment, since it allows the 
> server to continue functioning even if a drive dies.  Generally the 
> server supports hot-swappable drives so that when a drive fails, you 
> simply pull it out and replace it with a new drive, and the data is 
> automatically regenerated with the server still running.  RAID5 is also 
> a better choice if you don't have the money for the more expensive 
> RAID10 style arrays.
> RAID10 is the most fault-tolerant of the arrays, while also giving you 
> extra speed.  This type of array is the most expensive, though, since 
> you get only half the storage space of the 4 drives.
>
> The only RAID type that is of much noticeable benefit on a desktop 
> computer is RAID0.  Many people use a RAID0 array as a temporary storage 
> area for programs that do large amounts of data manipulation, such as 
> video editing.  In the windows world, it is often used on gaming 
> computers to reduce game load time.  In either case, everything on the 
> RAID0 array should be backed up to a secondary location regularly.
>
> All of the other raid types are used for either a mix of performance and 
> data safety or for data safety on its own.  You would get the same level 
> of safety if you simply back up all of your important data regularly.  
> RAID mirroring will not protect your data against accidental deletion or 
> overwriting, which is why backups are important.
>
> I am a bit leery of Software RAID (which is what is present on most 
> desktop computers these days).  Since the array is dependent on the OS 
> to achieve the results, you are still using processor power and sending 
> extra data over the SATA/IDE bus.  Hardware RAID was/is available in 
> many Macs (at least, I have seen it available in the Mac Pro line), and 
> if you have the hardware RAID card, then you would be well-served to use 
> it (assuming you can afford the extra hard drives).
>
> - Matt
>
> Jon Thompson wrote:
>   
>> Please note that the article Anastasia reposted to the list is 
>> available on my company website www.dmevolve.com 
>> <http://www.dmevolve.com>, as well as other articles.
>>
>> Anastasia has it wrong. If we're talking about support beams...
>>
>> - RAID1 is making sure that every beam is at 50% capacity- you can 
>> lose half and your building won't fail.
>> - RAID0 is making sure that every beam is at 100% capacity- you can't 
>> lose a single beam without losing the building.
>>
>> RAID0 takes individual files, divides them in half and splits them 
>> between drives, so if you lose one drive, you've lost all of your 
>> data. This doubles the write speed of the drives, which is why it is 
>> used at all, for specific purposes, which are _always_ stored 
>> elsewhere as well.
>>
>> Striped is RAID 0 and like I said, increases the likelihood of data 
>> loss. Avoid it unless you know exactly why you want it. RAID 1 
>> performs the exact function of making a SuperDuper or Carbon Copy 
>> Cloner mirror of your drive. Except that it does it better, as it is 
>> in real time. It _only_ protects you from disk failure, which is 
>> actually a rarity, unless your drive is very new or very old. In the 
>> latter case, it is a better idea to get a new drive, burn it in for 
>> two weeks, then migrate your data to it using CCC.
>>
>> As for configuring a RAID. Disk Utility will wipe all drives when 
>> creating a RAID. However, it is possible to do it without wiping the 
>> drive using the diskutil command line application. Please do not do 
>> this unless you are comfortable with the commands and how to  modify 
>> my examples to suit your needs. I am not teaching you how to get to 
>> the command line. If you don't already know, this is not the set of 
>> commands for you, as there is a very real chance to lose your data.
>>
>> diskutil list (pay attention to the drivenumbers, which are listed as 
>> "disk#". Most Macs have a boot drive of disk0)
>> diskutil enableRAID mirror disk<drivenumber of main boot partition>
>> diskutil repairMirror disk<drivenumber of main boot partition> 
>> disk<drivenumber of empty drive>
>>
>> The other thing is that the 1 TB drive will effectively become 500 GB, 
>> wasting the remaining space. I do not believe it is possible to 
>> partition part of a drive that is used in RAID, but could be wrong, as 
>> I _never_ use non-matching drives in RAID, like you are wanting to do 
>> here. Part of this is I/O. It is imperative that data is written to 
>> the two hard drives simultaneously, otherwise, data corrupting 
>> bottlenecks are possible. Since one hard drive is now responsible for 
>> two partitions, it no longer has 100% of it's time dedicated to 
>> maintaining the RAID.
>>
>> Finally, the only way that I would consider doing a software based 
>> raid is if you have two internal drives, such as in a MacPro, XServe, 
>> or the new Mac Mini Server. DO NOT DO RAID OVER FIREWIRE. (Unless you 
>> are buying a RAID-based device like a Drobo, or the better performing 
>> Promise SmartStor DS4600, which house all drives internally.) If you 
>> have one drive internal, and the other over firewire and you pull the 
>> cord out, you are going to rebuild your RAID. Same with the power 
>> cord. It's just not a good idea, as you are increasing the likelihood 
>> of compromising your redundancy.
>> -- 
>> Jon Thompson
>> Evolve
>> www.dmevolve.com <http://www.dmevolve.com>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 7:05 PM, AB <anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com 
>> <mailto:anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     As I understand it...
>>     RAID Mirrored mirrors the contents and files of a single drive in
>>     the event that drive fails?see excerpts from the info Jon gave.
>>     RAID Stripped takes content and distributes it across multiple
>>     drives. Kind of like putting multiple support beams in. Each hard
>>     drive is a support beam and collectively behave as one unit. One
>>     of those drives failing won't necessarily have detrimental
>>     repercussions. I believe John Thompson gave a detailed
>>     description. Though I might be confused on this.
>>
>>     As far as erasing contents on the existing drive, I'm not sure and
>>     was wondering the same thing myself.
>>
>>     Here's what I saved for reference on what was mentioned before
>>     about RAID. I thought there was another detailed summary, Jon
>>     gave, but I this seems to be all I saved.
>>
>>     Jon Thompson wrote this on May 19, 2009:
>>
>>     *1) A good backup is a verifiable backup*
>>
>>     If you are dumping info into Time Machine, and you are _never_
>>     pulling info back out of it and checking, how do you know that the
>>     data is good? In the instance of the SideKick data, this means
>>     that they would have known that the backup is good, and that they
>>     could rely on it. Until you know that you can recover from it, you
>>     cannot call it a good backup.
>>
>>     *2) A good backup consists of many backups of the same data.*
>>
>>     I store three months of backups, and I consider that too little,
>>     but don't dare increase my budget. If you are relying on all of
>>     your data being on a single hard drive, what happens if there is a
>>     fire and both your computer and backup is lost? If all of your
>>     backup is in one cloud (Mozy) and that cloud bursts like the
>>     SideKick cloud did, you are hosed. Now, if you have daily backups
>>     on a time machine volume, and a weekly backup to Mozy, you are
>>     protected from either example. Mozy is your offsite backup, the
>>     time machine 
>>
>>     *3) Synchronization is not backup.*
>>
>>     Synchronization ensures that all of you data is the same between
>>     all instances that you create. If you are syncing your address
>>     book on your mac with an iPhone, you have two instances of the
>>     data, but they are tied together. If you delete a contact on one
>>     (or a virus deletes all of them) that deletion is transferred to
>>     your backup. I realize that there are ways that the sync service
>>     tries to reduce the chance of this, but it is still a possibility.
>>     However, an offline copy of your address book on a USB thumb drive
>>     that is not plugged into your computer cannot not be changed, at
>>     least until it is plugged in again. Dropbox is a synchronization
>>     service.
>>
>>     *4) RAID is not backup.*
>>
>>     RAID (except 0) is a way to protect from hard drive crashes. It
>>     does not protect from application corruption, accidental deletion,
>>     or intentional deletion. All of which are much more likely than
>>     hard drive corruption during the majority of the life of a hard
>>     drive. RAID is useful for server admins that deal with
>>     distributing data amongst many hard drives, which actually is a
>>     great way to exponentially increase the likelihood of data loss
>>     due to hard drive failure.
>>
>>     RAID 0 offers no protection at all- in fact, it is will
>>     exponentially increase your likelihood of data loss due to hard
>>     drive failure. Be careful when purchasing large external hard
>>     drive, as they are sometimes two drives that are internally
>>     configured as RAID 0. This is useful for professional video primarily.
>>
>>     *5) Backup as sparse as you are willing to recover from.*
>>
>>     - If you couldn't stand losing more than a week's worth of data,
>>     you'd best be backing up weekly.
>>     - If you couldn't stand losing more than a day's worth of data,
>>     you'd best be backing up daily.
>>     - If you couldn't stand losing more than an hour's worth of data,
>>     you'd best be backing up hourly. 
>>
>>     You know what is important and what is not. Make sure to taylor
>>     your backup routine to your needs. Incremental backups, such as
>>     Time Machine are good about this.
>>
>>
>>
>>     --- On *Sun, 11/29/09, John Robertson /<john at createmydvd.com
>>     <mailto:john at createmydvd.com>>/* wrote:
>>
>>
>>     From: John Robertson <john at createmydvd.com
>>     <mailto:john at createmydvd.com>>
>>     Subject: [DM-MUG] Using RAID with Tiger
>>     To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org
>>     <mailto:dmmug at dmmug.org>>
>>     Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 11:52 AM
>>
>>
>>     Just wondering if anyone has any experience using RAID on a single 
>>     user OS.  I purchased a new 1TB drive and I was thinking of 
>>     partitioning it to use as a mirror for my 500G drive.  I have two 
>>     questions before I attempt this. The 1st question is, will it erase 
>>     the contents of the old drive (the 500 gig) that I am adding the 1TB 
>>     to when I turn on RAID? Also, what are the differences between RAID 
>>     mirrored and RAID Striped? I understand how Mirroring works and a 
>>     little about RAID 5 (which is only available on servers) but I don't 
>>     know which of the other option available here would be better to use.
>>
>>     Thanks,
>>         John
>>
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From jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com  Mon Nov 30 08:51:29 2009
From: jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 08:51:29 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
In-Reply-To: <4891EB9F-6186-4A86-88A2-5D1B4D3AF8D3@gmail.com>
References: <171379.50220.qm@web110307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<4891EB9F-6186-4A86-88A2-5D1B4D3AF8D3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <865f37f30911300651u44ee7931k59b6ad7fc63c7c8e@mail.gmail.com>

Alan,

Try running the commands in this article, as these types of things could
appear if you are using a DNS server that is not one given to you by your
ISP.

http://www.macworld.com/article/60823/2007/10/trojanhorse.html

I'm giving you this as a precaution, as well as to eliminate it as a
possibility.
-- 
Jon Thompson
Evolve
www.dmevolve.com


On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 2:13 AM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:

> AB thank you very much for this information.  You are quite the internet
> sleuth!
>
>
> On Nov 29, 2009, at 7:21 PM, AB wrote:
>
> When typing in wildfire.gigya.com I got a "directory not listed" message,
> see screenshot.
> I went to the gigya.com website. It is a social media and content
> management internet based company with offices in CA, NY, and Israel.
>
> Perhaps they can investigate their own security on their servers since the
> discussion thread mentioned it was a leak in the respective company's
> network servers.
>
> here's the contact info for them.
>
> Whether you have a comment, a bug to report,
> or a press or business inquiry, please use the following contact
> information.
> We will get back to you as soon as possible.
>
>  Liza Hausman, Gigya
> 650.353.4178 Office
>
> Mark Naples, WIT
> 215.893.0581 Direct
> 646.265.7372 Cell
>  Customer Support and Product Feedback Inquiries: support at gigya-inc.com
>  Sales related inquiries: sales at gigya-inc.com
>  Partner and Business Development Inquiries: bizdev at gigya-inc.com
> Questions Relating to Terms of Use and/or our Privacy Policy:
> privacy at gigya-inc.com
>   Our offices Palo Alto Office (Corporate Headquarters)
> 855 El Camino Real
> Building 4, Suite 290
> Palo Alto, CA 94301
> 650.353.7230
>  New York Office. 817 Broadway, 10th Floor
> New York, NY 10003-4709
> 646.722.8137
>  Tel Aviv Office
> 132 Begin road
> Azrieli round tower (13 floor)
> Tel Aviv, Israel 67021
> +972.73.7852400
>
> --- On *Sun, 11/29/09, Victoria L. Herring <vlh at herringlaw.com>* wrote:
>
> From: Victoria L. Herring <vlh at herringlaw.com>
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> Cc: alan.maupin at gmail.com
> Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 5:57 PM
>
> you can go to Apple.com and set up a phone support call and explain the
> whole problem in the message so the person you speak to has an idea of the
> reason for the support call.  Seems easier than going out to the Apple Store
> - maybe a first step.
>
> I certainly don't know but if you are having things show up in the finder
> window you might go to the Prefs for Finder and check on what is listed as
> contents on sidebar =- I don't know what Neighborhood would be other than
> perhaps you have Bluetooth or Bonjour enabled???  And they/it are picking up
> signals??
>
> On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com>wrote:
> The problem is located in Finder application, on the Shared menu, under the
> submenu All:   random named URL's are showing up and are listed as
> Neighborhood.
>
> The most recent URL to show up is "wildfire.gigya.com"
>
> It does not go away with a reboot.
>
> Does anyone know what causes this issue?  Is it a security issue?
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Alan
>
> <Screen shot 2009-11-29 at 6.11.32 PM.png>
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From jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com  Mon Nov 30 09:06:47 2009
From: jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:06:47 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Using RAID with Tiger
In-Reply-To: <4B138507.2030109@brothersofchaos.com>
References: <7165C503-045E-4902-8762-D1ED0007F7DC@createmydvd.com>
	<465063.51438.qm@web110312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<865f37f30911292123o6fabaed6kb4e37cef7fc070be@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B137135.60205@brothersofchaos.com>
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Considering that Software RAID is used on many a server (I have one XServe
that doesn't have a RAID card that is running Software RAID for instance) it
is fine for normal users. It does slow your computer more than a
hardware-based machine, but not enough to recommend its non-use.
-- 
Jon Thompson
Evolve
www.dmevolve.com


On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 2:40 AM, Matt Stanton <
inflatablesoulmate at brothersofchaos.com> wrote:

> Bleh, it was bound to happen, but I got the raid types confused halfway
> through the email.
>
> Where I said:
>
> RAID0 is only really useful if you need to be able to hotswap the failed
> drive.  Otherwise, it makes much more sense to use two drives of the
> same size and do regular or incremental backups.
> RAID1 is dangerous, and only useful if you need to be able to read/write
> data to a hard drive much faster than a normal user.
>
>
> It should read:
>
> RAID1 is only really useful if you need to be able to hotswap the failed
> drive.  Otherwise, it makes much more sense to use two drives of the
> same size and do regular or incremental backups.
> RAID0 is dangerous, and only useful if you need to be able to read/write
> data to a hard drive much faster than a normal user.
>
>
>
> Matt Stanton wrote:
> > Here are some of the pros and cons of RAID setups:
> > RAID0 (striping): 2 500GB drives == One RAID volume of 1000GB
> > pros:
> > Twice the data transfer throughput of a single HD
> > Only requires 2 HDs
> > You have the amount of space of both hard drives combined
> > cons:
> > If one drive fails, you lose all the data on both drives
> >
> > RAID1 (mirroring): 2 500GB drives == One RAID volume of 500GB
> > pros:
> > Only requires 2 HDs
> > If one drive fails, you still have all of your data
> > cons:
> > No speed boost over a single drive
> > You have only half the combined storage space of both hard drives.
> >
> > RAID5 (striping + parity): 3 500GB drives == One Raid volume of 1000GB
> > pros:
> > Twice the data transfer throughput of a single HD
> > If one drive fails, you have half your data, plus enough parity data to
> > regenerate the other half
> > cons:
> > If one drive fails, you not only lose the throughput of the second drive
> > (you drop to the throughput of a single drive), but any data that was
> > lost on the failed drive must be regenerated from the two surviving
> > drives when you access the data (this shouldn't cause an additional
> > performance drop, since the hard drives are where the speed bottlenecks,
> > but if you are using software RAID, it would mean extra processing on
> > the CPU)
> > Requires at least 3 equally-sized hard drives
> >
> > RAID10, RAID0+1, RAID1+0, RAID1&0 (striping + mirroring): 4 500GB drives
> > == One Raid volume of 1000GB
> > pros:
> > Twice the data transfer throughput of a single HD
> > Data can survive the failure of 2 HDs
> > If 1 or 2 drives fail, you retain the throughput performance of the
> > striped array
> > cons:
> > Requires 4 drives and gives you half the combined space of those 4 drives
> >
> > There are also RAID3 and RAID4, which are similar to RAID5, in that they
> > are a mirrored+parity array (they just handle the parity differently
> > than the RAID5 array does).  RAID6 is a mirror+parity type of array that
> > uses 2 parity drives so that it can survive the loss of 2 drives, where
> > RAID3,4,5 would only be able to survive the loss of 1 drive.
> >
> > RAID0 is only really useful if you need to be able to hotswap the failed
> > drive.  Otherwise, it makes much more sense to use two drives of the
> > same size and do regular or incremental backups.
> > RAID1 is dangerous, and only useful if you need to be able to read/write
> > data to a hard drive much faster than a normal user.  It would be
> > recommended for use as the drive that the operating system and
> > applications are saved to (since you can usually reinstall the OS and
> > Applications from their original media).  All data/documents should be
> > saved to a separate drive.
> > RAID5 is especially useful in a server environment, since it allows the
> > server to continue functioning even if a drive dies.  Generally the
> > server supports hot-swappable drives so that when a drive fails, you
> > simply pull it out and replace it with a new drive, and the data is
> > automatically regenerated with the server still running.  RAID5 is also
> > a better choice if you don't have the money for the more expensive
> > RAID10 style arrays.
> > RAID10 is the most fault-tolerant of the arrays, while also giving you
> > extra speed.  This type of array is the most expensive, though, since
> > you get only half the storage space of the 4 drives.
> >
> > The only RAID type that is of much noticeable benefit on a desktop
> > computer is RAID0.  Many people use a RAID0 array as a temporary storage
> > area for programs that do large amounts of data manipulation, such as
> > video editing.  In the windows world, it is often used on gaming
> > computers to reduce game load time.  In either case, everything on the
> > RAID0 array should be backed up to a secondary location regularly.
> >
> > All of the other raid types are used for either a mix of performance and
> > data safety or for data safety on its own.  You would get the same level
> > of safety if you simply back up all of your important data regularly.
> > RAID mirroring will not protect your data against accidental deletion or
> > overwriting, which is why backups are important.
> >
> > I am a bit leery of Software RAID (which is what is present on most
> > desktop computers these days).  Since the array is dependent on the OS
> > to achieve the results, you are still using processor power and sending
> > extra data over the SATA/IDE bus.  Hardware RAID was/is available in
> > many Macs (at least, I have seen it available in the Mac Pro line), and
> > if you have the hardware RAID card, then you would be well-served to use
> > it (assuming you can afford the extra hard drives).
> >
> > - Matt
> >
> > Jon Thompson wrote:
> >
> >> Please note that the article Anastasia reposted to the list is
> >> available on my company website www.dmevolve.com
> >> <http://www.dmevolve.com>, as well as other articles.
> >>
> >> Anastasia has it wrong. If we're talking about support beams...
> >>
> >> - RAID1 is making sure that every beam is at 50% capacity- you can
> >> lose half and your building won't fail.
> >> - RAID0 is making sure that every beam is at 100% capacity- you can't
> >> lose a single beam without losing the building.
> >>
> >> RAID0 takes individual files, divides them in half and splits them
> >> between drives, so if you lose one drive, you've lost all of your
> >> data. This doubles the write speed of the drives, which is why it is
> >> used at all, for specific purposes, which are _always_ stored
> >> elsewhere as well.
> >>
> >> Striped is RAID 0 and like I said, increases the likelihood of data
> >> loss. Avoid it unless you know exactly why you want it. RAID 1
> >> performs the exact function of making a SuperDuper or Carbon Copy
> >> Cloner mirror of your drive. Except that it does it better, as it is
> >> in real time. It _only_ protects you from disk failure, which is
> >> actually a rarity, unless your drive is very new or very old. In the
> >> latter case, it is a better idea to get a new drive, burn it in for
> >> two weeks, then migrate your data to it using CCC.
> >>
> >> As for configuring a RAID. Disk Utility will wipe all drives when
> >> creating a RAID. However, it is possible to do it without wiping the
> >> drive using the diskutil command line application. Please do not do
> >> this unless you are comfortable with the commands and how to  modify
> >> my examples to suit your needs. I am not teaching you how to get to
> >> the command line. If you don't already know, this is not the set of
> >> commands for you, as there is a very real chance to lose your data.
> >>
> >> diskutil list (pay attention to the drivenumbers, which are listed as
> >> "disk#". Most Macs have a boot drive of disk0)
> >> diskutil enableRAID mirror disk<drivenumber of main boot partition>
> >> diskutil repairMirror disk<drivenumber of main boot partition>
> >> disk<drivenumber of empty drive>
> >>
> >> The other thing is that the 1 TB drive will effectively become 500 GB,
> >> wasting the remaining space. I do not believe it is possible to
> >> partition part of a drive that is used in RAID, but could be wrong, as
> >> I _never_ use non-matching drives in RAID, like you are wanting to do
> >> here. Part of this is I/O. It is imperative that data is written to
> >> the two hard drives simultaneously, otherwise, data corrupting
> >> bottlenecks are possible. Since one hard drive is now responsible for
> >> two partitions, it no longer has 100% of it's time dedicated to
> >> maintaining the RAID.
> >>
> >> Finally, the only way that I would consider doing a software based
> >> raid is if you have two internal drives, such as in a MacPro, XServe,
> >> or the new Mac Mini Server. DO NOT DO RAID OVER FIREWIRE. (Unless you
> >> are buying a RAID-based device like a Drobo, or the better performing
> >> Promise SmartStor DS4600, which house all drives internally.) If you
> >> have one drive internal, and the other over firewire and you pull the
> >> cord out, you are going to rebuild your RAID. Same with the power
> >> cord. It's just not a good idea, as you are increasing the likelihood
> >> of compromising your redundancy.
> >> --
> >> Jon Thompson
> >> Evolve
> >> www.dmevolve.com <http://www.dmevolve.com>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 7:05 PM, AB <anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com
> >> <mailto:anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>     As I understand it...
> >>     RAID Mirrored mirrors the contents and files of a single drive in
> >>     the event that drive fails?see excerpts from the info Jon gave.
> >>     RAID Stripped takes content and distributes it across multiple
> >>     drives. Kind of like putting multiple support beams in. Each hard
> >>     drive is a support beam and collectively behave as one unit. One
> >>     of those drives failing won't necessarily have detrimental
> >>     repercussions. I believe John Thompson gave a detailed
> >>     description. Though I might be confused on this.
> >>
> >>     As far as erasing contents on the existing drive, I'm not sure and
> >>     was wondering the same thing myself.
> >>
> >>     Here's what I saved for reference on what was mentioned before
> >>     about RAID. I thought there was another detailed summary, Jon
> >>     gave, but I this seems to be all I saved.
> >>
> >>     Jon Thompson wrote this on May 19, 2009:
> >>
> >>     *1) A good backup is a verifiable backup*
> >>
> >>     If you are dumping info into Time Machine, and you are _never_
> >>     pulling info back out of it and checking, how do you know that the
> >>     data is good? In the instance of the SideKick data, this means
> >>     that they would have known that the backup is good, and that they
> >>     could rely on it. Until you know that you can recover from it, you
> >>     cannot call it a good backup.
> >>
> >>     *2) A good backup consists of many backups of the same data.*
> >>
> >>     I store three months of backups, and I consider that too little,
> >>     but don't dare increase my budget. If you are relying on all of
> >>     your data being on a single hard drive, what happens if there is a
> >>     fire and both your computer and backup is lost? If all of your
> >>     backup is in one cloud (Mozy) and that cloud bursts like the
> >>     SideKick cloud did, you are hosed. Now, if you have daily backups
> >>     on a time machine volume, and a weekly backup to Mozy, you are
> >>     protected from either example. Mozy is your offsite backup, the
> >>     time machine
> >>
> >>     *3) Synchronization is not backup.*
> >>
> >>     Synchronization ensures that all of you data is the same between
> >>     all instances that you create. If you are syncing your address
> >>     book on your mac with an iPhone, you have two instances of the
> >>     data, but they are tied together. If you delete a contact on one
> >>     (or a virus deletes all of them) that deletion is transferred to
> >>     your backup. I realize that there are ways that the sync service
> >>     tries to reduce the chance of this, but it is still a possibility.
> >>     However, an offline copy of your address book on a USB thumb drive
> >>     that is not plugged into your computer cannot not be changed, at
> >>     least until it is plugged in again. Dropbox is a synchronization
> >>     service.
> >>
> >>     *4) RAID is not backup.*
> >>
> >>     RAID (except 0) is a way to protect from hard drive crashes. It
> >>     does not protect from application corruption, accidental deletion,
> >>     or intentional deletion. All of which are much more likely than
> >>     hard drive corruption during the majority of the life of a hard
> >>     drive. RAID is useful for server admins that deal with
> >>     distributing data amongst many hard drives, which actually is a
> >>     great way to exponentially increase the likelihood of data loss
> >>     due to hard drive failure.
> >>
> >>     RAID 0 offers no protection at all- in fact, it is will
> >>     exponentially increase your likelihood of data loss due to hard
> >>     drive failure. Be careful when purchasing large external hard
> >>     drive, as they are sometimes two drives that are internally
> >>     configured as RAID 0. This is useful for professional video
> primarily.
> >>
> >>     *5) Backup as sparse as you are willing to recover from.*
> >>
> >>     - If you couldn't stand losing more than a week's worth of data,
> >>     you'd best be backing up weekly.
> >>     - If you couldn't stand losing more than a day's worth of data,
> >>     you'd best be backing up daily.
> >>     - If you couldn't stand losing more than an hour's worth of data,
> >>     you'd best be backing up hourly.
> >>
> >>     You know what is important and what is not. Make sure to taylor
> >>     your backup routine to your needs. Incremental backups, such as
> >>     Time Machine are good about this.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>     --- On *Sun, 11/29/09, John Robertson /<john at createmydvd.com
> >>     <mailto:john at createmydvd.com>>/* wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>     From: John Robertson <john at createmydvd.com
> >>     <mailto:john at createmydvd.com>>
> >>     Subject: [DM-MUG] Using RAID with Tiger
> >>     To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org
> >>     <mailto:dmmug at dmmug.org>>
> >>     Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 11:52 AM
> >>
> >>
> >>     Just wondering if anyone has any experience using RAID on a single
> >>     user OS.  I purchased a new 1TB drive and I was thinking of
> >>     partitioning it to use as a mirror for my 500G drive.  I have two
> >>     questions before I attempt this. The 1st question is, will it erase
> >>     the contents of the old drive (the 500 gig) that I am adding the 1TB
> >>     to when I turn on RAID? Also, what are the differences between RAID
> >>     mirrored and RAID Striped? I understand how Mirroring works and a
> >>     little about RAID 5 (which is only available on servers) but I don't
> >>     know which of the other option available here would be better to
> use.
> >>
> >>     Thanks,
> >>         John
> >>
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From thorgrim at imaginarytower.org  Mon Nov 30 09:11:00 2009
From: thorgrim at imaginarytower.org (David McLaughlin)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:11:00 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG]
 =?windows-1252?q?Mac_Pro_upgrades=97hard_drive_formattin?=
 =?windows-1252?q?g?=
In-Reply-To: <542296.86796.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <542296.86796.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8A32649C-C3BD-44E5-BC56-FA309A89B2B4@imaginarytower.org>

> Does my boot drive absolutely NEED to be in Bay 1?

No, you can use any bay in a Mac Pro.  Use System Preferences ->  
Startup Disk to change the default boot volume.

You can also hold down the <option> key as you boot you machine and  
select any bootable volume to boot from.

Dave McLaughlin

From alan.maupin at gmail.com  Mon Nov 30 09:47:45 2009
From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:47:45 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
In-Reply-To: <865f37f30911300651u44ee7931k59b6ad7fc63c7c8e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <171379.50220.qm@web110307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<4891EB9F-6186-4A86-88A2-5D1B4D3AF8D3@gmail.com>
	<865f37f30911300651u44ee7931k59b6ad7fc63c7c8e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <891C372E-C0D6-47F5-8EDA-BBBFA11AF1F8@gmail.com>

Jon thats a fascinating article and set of procedures.  I conducted all of them and came up clean.  I reset my DSL modem earlier this morning and reconnected my account with Qwest to see it that tripped a new ip lease.  All is the same!  Thanks for that tip.  


On Nov 30, 2009, at 8:51 AM, Jon Thompson wrote:

> Alan,
> 
> Try running the commands in this article, as these types of things could appear if you are using a DNS server that is not one given to you by your ISP.
> 
> http://www.macworld.com/article/60823/2007/10/trojanhorse.html
> 
> I'm giving you this as a precaution, as well as to eliminate it as a possibility.
> -- 
> Jon Thompson
> Evolve
> www.dmevolve.com
> 
> 
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 2:13 AM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:
> AB thank you very much for this information.  You are quite the internet sleuth!
> 
> 
> On Nov 29, 2009, at 7:21 PM, AB wrote:
> 
>> When typing in wildfire.gigya.com I got a "directory not listed" message, see screenshot.
>> I went to the gigya.com website. It is a social media and content management internet based company with offices in CA, NY, and Israel. 
>> 
>> Perhaps they can investigate their own security on their servers since the discussion thread mentioned it was a leak in the respective company's network servers.
>> 
>> here's the contact info for them. 
>> 
>> Whether you have a comment, a bug to report,
>> or a press or business inquiry, please use the following contact information. 
>> We will get back to you as soon as possible.
>> 
>> Liza Hausman, Gigya 
>> 650.353.4178 Office 
>> 
>> Mark Naples, WIT 
>> 215.893.0581 Direct
>> 646.265.7372 Cell
>> Customer Support and Product Feedback Inquiries: support at gigya-inc.com
>> 
>> Sales related inquiries: sales at gigya-inc.com
>> 
>> Partner and Business Development Inquiries: bizdev at gigya-inc.com
>> 
>> Questions Relating to Terms of Use and/or our Privacy Policy:
>> privacy at gigya-inc.com
>> Our offices
>> 
>> Palo Alto Office (Corporate Headquarters)
>> 
>> 855 El Camino Real
>> Building 4, Suite 290
>> Palo Alto, CA 94301
>> 650.353.7230
>> New York Office.
>> 
>> 817 Broadway, 10th Floor
>> New York, NY 10003-4709
>> 646.722.8137
>> Tel Aviv Office
>> 
>> 132 Begin road
>> Azrieli round tower (13 floor)
>> Tel Aviv, Israel 67021
>> +972.73.7852400
>> 
>> --- On Sun, 11/29/09, Victoria L. Herring <vlh at herringlaw.com> wrote:
>> 
>> From: Victoria L. Herring <vlh at herringlaw.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
>> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
>> Cc: alan.maupin at gmail.com
>> Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 5:57 PM
>> 
>> you can go to Apple.com and set up a phone support call and explain the whole problem in the message so the person you speak to has an idea of the reason for the support call.  Seems easier than going out to the Apple Store - maybe a first step.
>> 
>> I certainly don't know but if you are having things show up in the finder window you might go to the Prefs for Finder and check on what is listed as contents on sidebar =- I don't know what Neighborhood would be other than perhaps you have Bluetooth or Bonjour enabled???  And they/it are picking up signals??
>> 
>> On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:
>> The problem is located in Finder application, on the Shared menu, under the submenu All:   random named URL's are showing up and are listed as Neighborhood.
>> 
>> The most recent URL to show up is "wildfire.gigya.com"
>> 
>> It does not go away with a reboot.
>> 
>> Does anyone know what causes this issue?  Is it a security issue?
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Alan
>> 
>> <Screen shot 2009-11-29 at 6.11.32 PM.png>_______________________________________________
>> 
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From alan.maupin at gmail.com  Mon Nov 30 10:02:52 2009
From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:02:52 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
In-Reply-To: <865f37f30911300651u44ee7931k59b6ad7fc63c7c8e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <171379.50220.qm@web110307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<4891EB9F-6186-4A86-88A2-5D1B4D3AF8D3@gmail.com>
	<865f37f30911300651u44ee7931k59b6ad7fc63c7c8e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87400E3E-9CC0-4625-9E90-14DD7FB86C58@gmail.com>

Jon here is a newer article that mentions the trojan spoke of in the previous article you sent, with an updated look at Snow Leopards defense: http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=4139

On Nov 30, 2009, at 8:51 AM, Jon Thompson wrote:

> Alan,
> 
> Try running the commands in this article, as these types of things could appear if you are using a DNS server that is not one given to you by your ISP.
> 
> http://www.macworld.com/article/60823/2007/10/trojanhorse.html
> 
> I'm giving you this as a precaution, as well as to eliminate it as a possibility.
> -- 
> Jon Thompson
> Evolve
> www.dmevolve.com
> 
> 
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 2:13 AM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:
> AB thank you very much for this information.  You are quite the internet sleuth!
> 
> 
> On Nov 29, 2009, at 7:21 PM, AB wrote:
> 
>> When typing in wildfire.gigya.com I got a "directory not listed" message, see screenshot.
>> I went to the gigya.com website. It is a social media and content management internet based company with offices in CA, NY, and Israel. 
>> 
>> Perhaps they can investigate their own security on their servers since the discussion thread mentioned it was a leak in the respective company's network servers.
>> 
>> here's the contact info for them. 
>> 
>> Whether you have a comment, a bug to report,
>> or a press or business inquiry, please use the following contact information. 
>> We will get back to you as soon as possible.
>> 
>> Liza Hausman, Gigya 
>> 650.353.4178 Office 
>> 
>> Mark Naples, WIT 
>> 215.893.0581 Direct
>> 646.265.7372 Cell
>> Customer Support and Product Feedback Inquiries: support at gigya-inc.com
>> 
>> Sales related inquiries: sales at gigya-inc.com
>> 
>> Partner and Business Development Inquiries: bizdev at gigya-inc.com
>> 
>> Questions Relating to Terms of Use and/or our Privacy Policy:
>> privacy at gigya-inc.com
>> Our offices
>> 
>> Palo Alto Office (Corporate Headquarters)
>> 
>> 855 El Camino Real
>> Building 4, Suite 290
>> Palo Alto, CA 94301
>> 650.353.7230
>> New York Office.
>> 
>> 817 Broadway, 10th Floor
>> New York, NY 10003-4709
>> 646.722.8137
>> Tel Aviv Office
>> 
>> 132 Begin road
>> Azrieli round tower (13 floor)
>> Tel Aviv, Israel 67021
>> +972.73.7852400
>> 
>> --- On Sun, 11/29/09, Victoria L. Herring <vlh at herringlaw.com> wrote:
>> 
>> From: Victoria L. Herring <vlh at herringlaw.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
>> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
>> Cc: alan.maupin at gmail.com
>> Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 5:57 PM
>> 
>> you can go to Apple.com and set up a phone support call and explain the whole problem in the message so the person you speak to has an idea of the reason for the support call.  Seems easier than going out to the Apple Store - maybe a first step.
>> 
>> I certainly don't know but if you are having things show up in the finder window you might go to the Prefs for Finder and check on what is listed as contents on sidebar =- I don't know what Neighborhood would be other than perhaps you have Bluetooth or Bonjour enabled???  And they/it are picking up signals??
>> 
>> On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:
>> The problem is located in Finder application, on the Shared menu, under the submenu All:   random named URL's are showing up and are listed as Neighborhood.
>> 
>> The most recent URL to show up is "wildfire.gigya.com"
>> 
>> It does not go away with a reboot.
>> 
>> Does anyone know what causes this issue?  Is it a security issue?
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Alan
>> 
>> <Screen shot 2009-11-29 at 6.11.32 PM.png>_______________________________________________
>> 
>> DMMUG mailing list
>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>> DMMUG at dmmug.org
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From alan.maupin at gmail.com  Mon Nov 30 10:05:37 2009
From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:05:37 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
In-Reply-To: <865f37f30911300651u44ee7931k59b6ad7fc63c7c8e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <171379.50220.qm@web110307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<4891EB9F-6186-4A86-88A2-5D1B4D3AF8D3@gmail.com>
	<865f37f30911300651u44ee7931k59b6ad7fc63c7c8e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <175EEB52-D1E2-4BAA-B818-6F1A04A6B696@gmail.com>

I'm downloading and installing the trial version of VirusBarrier X5.  I'll let you know if it helps.


On Nov 30, 2009, at 8:51 AM, Jon Thompson wrote:

> Alan,
> 
> Try running the commands in this article, as these types of things could appear if you are using a DNS server that is not one given to you by your ISP.
> 
> http://www.macworld.com/article/60823/2007/10/trojanhorse.html
> 
> I'm giving you this as a precaution, as well as to eliminate it as a possibility.
> -- 
> Jon Thompson
> Evolve
> www.dmevolve.com
> 
> 
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 2:13 AM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:
> AB thank you very much for this information.  You are quite the internet sleuth!
> 
> 
> On Nov 29, 2009, at 7:21 PM, AB wrote:
> 
>> When typing in wildfire.gigya.com I got a "directory not listed" message, see screenshot.
>> I went to the gigya.com website. It is a social media and content management internet based company with offices in CA, NY, and Israel. 
>> 
>> Perhaps they can investigate their own security on their servers since the discussion thread mentioned it was a leak in the respective company's network servers.
>> 
>> here's the contact info for them. 
>> 
>> Whether you have a comment, a bug to report,
>> or a press or business inquiry, please use the following contact information. 
>> We will get back to you as soon as possible.
>> 
>> Liza Hausman, Gigya 
>> 650.353.4178 Office 
>> 
>> Mark Naples, WIT 
>> 215.893.0581 Direct
>> 646.265.7372 Cell
>> Customer Support and Product Feedback Inquiries: support at gigya-inc.com
>> 
>> Sales related inquiries: sales at gigya-inc.com
>> 
>> Partner and Business Development Inquiries: bizdev at gigya-inc.com
>> 
>> Questions Relating to Terms of Use and/or our Privacy Policy:
>> privacy at gigya-inc.com
>> Our offices
>> 
>> Palo Alto Office (Corporate Headquarters)
>> 
>> 855 El Camino Real
>> Building 4, Suite 290
>> Palo Alto, CA 94301
>> 650.353.7230
>> New York Office.
>> 
>> 817 Broadway, 10th Floor
>> New York, NY 10003-4709
>> 646.722.8137
>> Tel Aviv Office
>> 
>> 132 Begin road
>> Azrieli round tower (13 floor)
>> Tel Aviv, Israel 67021
>> +972.73.7852400
>> 
>> --- On Sun, 11/29/09, Victoria L. Herring <vlh at herringlaw.com> wrote:
>> 
>> From: Victoria L. Herring <vlh at herringlaw.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
>> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
>> Cc: alan.maupin at gmail.com
>> Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 5:57 PM
>> 
>> you can go to Apple.com and set up a phone support call and explain the whole problem in the message so the person you speak to has an idea of the reason for the support call.  Seems easier than going out to the Apple Store - maybe a first step.
>> 
>> I certainly don't know but if you are having things show up in the finder window you might go to the Prefs for Finder and check on what is listed as contents on sidebar =- I don't know what Neighborhood would be other than perhaps you have Bluetooth or Bonjour enabled???  And they/it are picking up signals??
>> 
>> On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:
>> The problem is located in Finder application, on the Shared menu, under the submenu All:   random named URL's are showing up and are listed as Neighborhood.
>> 
>> The most recent URL to show up is "wildfire.gigya.com"
>> 
>> It does not go away with a reboot.
>> 
>> Does anyone know what causes this issue?  Is it a security issue?
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Alan
>> 
>> <Screen shot 2009-11-29 at 6.11.32 PM.png>_______________________________________________
>> 
>> DMMUG mailing list
>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>> DMMUG at dmmug.org
>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
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From jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com  Mon Nov 30 10:13:40 2009
From: jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:13:40 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
In-Reply-To: <87400E3E-9CC0-4625-9E90-14DD7FB86C58@gmail.com>
References: <171379.50220.qm@web110307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<4891EB9F-6186-4A86-88A2-5D1B4D3AF8D3@gmail.com>
	<865f37f30911300651u44ee7931k59b6ad7fc63c7c8e@mail.gmail.com>
	<87400E3E-9CC0-4625-9E90-14DD7FB86C58@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <865f37f30911300813s144da82du652971103b622dab@mail.gmail.com>

I wasn't concerned with the trojan being on your computer as so much as the
trojan modifying your DNS settings, which are tied with the mDNS that you
see in the Shared list.

Am I correct in you saying that the items are still there?
-- 
Jon Thompson
Evolve
www.dmevolve.com


On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:

> Jon here is a newer article that mentions the trojan spoke of in the
> previous article you sent, with an updated look at Snow Leopards defense:
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=4139
>
> On Nov 30, 2009, at 8:51 AM, Jon Thompson wrote:
>
> Alan,
>
> Try running the commands in this article, as these types of things could
> appear if you are using a DNS server that is not one given to you by your
> ISP.
>
> http://www.macworld.com/article/60823/2007/10/trojanhorse.html
>
> I'm giving you this as a precaution, as well as to eliminate it as a
> possibility.
> --
> Jon Thompson
> Evolve
> www.dmevolve.com
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 2:13 AM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> AB thank you very much for this information.  You are quite the internet
>> sleuth!
>>
>>
>> On Nov 29, 2009, at 7:21 PM, AB wrote:
>>
>> When typing in wildfire.gigya.com I got a "directory not listed" message,
>> see screenshot.
>> I went to the gigya.com website. It is a social media and content
>> management internet based company with offices in CA, NY, and Israel.
>>
>> Perhaps they can investigate their own security on their servers since the
>> discussion thread mentioned it was a leak in the respective company's
>> network servers.
>>
>> here's the contact info for them.
>>
>> Whether you have a comment, a bug to report,
>> or a press or business inquiry, please use the following contact
>> information.
>> We will get back to you as soon as possible.
>>
>>  Liza Hausman, Gigya
>> 650.353.4178 Office
>>
>> Mark Naples, WIT
>> 215.893.0581 Direct
>> 646.265.7372 Cell
>>  Customer Support and Product Feedback Inquiries: support at gigya-inc.com
>>  Sales related inquiries: sales at gigya-inc.com
>>  Partner and Business Development Inquiries: bizdev at gigya-inc.com
>> Questions Relating to Terms of Use and/or our Privacy Policy:
>> privacy at gigya-inc.com
>>   Our offices Palo Alto Office (Corporate Headquarters)
>> 855 El Camino Real
>> Building 4, Suite 290
>> Palo Alto, CA 94301
>> 650.353.7230
>>  New York Office. 817 Broadway, 10th Floor
>> New York, NY 10003-4709
>> 646.722.8137
>>  Tel Aviv Office
>> 132 Begin road
>> Azrieli round tower (13 floor)
>> Tel Aviv, Israel 67021
>> +972.73.7852400
>>
>> --- On *Sun, 11/29/09, Victoria L. Herring <vlh at herringlaw.com>* wrote:
>>
>> From: Victoria L. Herring <vlh at herringlaw.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
>> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
>> Cc: alan.maupin at gmail.com
>> Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 5:57 PM
>>
>> you can go to Apple.com and set up a phone support call and explain the
>> whole problem in the message so the person you speak to has an idea of the
>> reason for the support call.  Seems easier than going out to the Apple Store
>> - maybe a first step.
>>
>> I certainly don't know but if you are having things show up in the finder
>> window you might go to the Prefs for Finder and check on what is listed as
>> contents on sidebar =- I don't know what Neighborhood would be other than
>> perhaps you have Bluetooth or Bonjour enabled???  And they/it are picking up
>> signals??
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com>wrote:
>> The problem is located in Finder application, on the Shared menu, under
>> the submenu All:   random named URL's are showing up and are listed as
>> Neighborhood.
>>
>> The most recent URL to show up is "wildfire.gigya.com"
>>
>> It does not go away with a reboot.
>>
>> Does anyone know what causes this issue?  Is it a security issue?
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Alan
>>
>> <Screen shot 2009-11-29 at 6.11.32 PM.png>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> DMMUG mailing list
>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>> DMMUG at dmmug.org
>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
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From ka_klick at mac.com  Mon Nov 30 10:17:38 2009
From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:17:38 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] iTunes 9 iMix "Issue"
In-Reply-To: <189819.81458.qm@web110301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <189819.81458.qm@web110301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B34FC64-1B10-4DD3-8043-8F1FAC6DF484@mac.com>

@AB: iMix is for sharing with other iTunes store users. Letting people  
build up "Essentials" lists or themed lists of songs that people can  
then choose to buy, etc. So iTunes needs to have a version in their  
store of the songs you want in the list (since they provide a list of  
previews).

I haven't been using that feature, but it sounds unfortunate that  
they're making it harder for people to use.

Have you tried looking the song up in ITMS, then renaming a copy of  
the song (or changing it's other meta data) to match that of the store?

On Nov 29, 2009, at 9:47 AM, AB wrote:
> I don't know if this helps any. I've not use the iMix feature  
> before, but I always just make playlists composed of the mix of  
> songs I want to hear, and then shuffle the playlist even further.  
> iTunes doesn't reject those. I also scan the art from the CDs for  
> any album art I want included.
>
> If I'm opting for the iTunes DJ, and I want to add a song for it to  
> play, I just click the song and drag it on the iTunes DJ. It doesn't  
> reject it.
>
> Hope that helps a little.
> -A.
>
> --- On Thu, 11/26/09, mauri booton <woohoowoohoo at me.com> wrote:
>
> From: mauri booton <woohoowoohoo at me.com>
> Subject: [DM-MUG] iTunes 9 iMix "Issue"
> To: dmmug at dmmug.org
> Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 8:51 PM
>
> I create iMixes using iTunes. In versions prior to 9 if a song I  
> submitted for my iMix didn't match up exactly with the song/artist/ 
> album in the iTunes library, it initially rejected it for the iMix.  
> The workaround was to go to iTunes Store and find the preview of the  
> song (probably on a different album) and then just drag that preview  
> file into your iMix playlist file after deleting your version of the  
> song/file. A little bit cumbersome, but doable.
>
> As I just submitted my first iMix playlist using iTunes 9, it  
> "rejected" 58 of 100 songs from my iMix leaving me with a 42 song  
> iMix. When I went to "replace" those 58 songs using the iTunes Store  
> "preview" songs file it wouldn't allow me to drag the preview file  
> into my iMix playlist. I checked online and saw that others were  
> having this problem too.
>
> Does anyone know of a workaround for this issue? If there is no  
> workaround, can I have TWO versions of iTunes on the same computer  
> and not run into any issues?
>
> Thanks!!
>
> ~~ mauri booton ~~
>
> Example: I may have a song I ripped from a cd that was on the  
> original album of the artist, but iTunes only carries the song on  
> the Hits version of the album ~ so according to the iMix "logic"  
> it's NOT a match and is excluded from the iMix.
>
>
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From alan.maupin at gmail.com  Mon Nov 30 10:23:46 2009
From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:23:46 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
In-Reply-To: <865f37f30911300813s144da82du652971103b622dab@mail.gmail.com>
References: <171379.50220.qm@web110307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<4891EB9F-6186-4A86-88A2-5D1B4D3AF8D3@gmail.com>
	<865f37f30911300651u44ee7931k59b6ad7fc63c7c8e@mail.gmail.com>
	<87400E3E-9CC0-4625-9E90-14DD7FB86C58@gmail.com>
	<865f37f30911300813s144da82du652971103b622dab@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0D0E319F-5D2E-4D50-88B3-298EB9DEDA77@gmail.com>

Yes still there.

On Nov 30, 2009, at 10:13 AM, Jon Thompson wrote:

> I wasn't concerned with the trojan being on your computer as so much as the trojan modifying your DNS settings, which are tied with the mDNS that you see in the Shared list.
> 
> Am I correct in you saying that the items are still there?
> -- 
> Jon Thompson
> Evolve
> www.dmevolve.com
> 
> 
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:
> Jon here is a newer article that mentions the trojan spoke of in the previous article you sent, with an updated look at Snow Leopards defense: http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=4139
> 
> On Nov 30, 2009, at 8:51 AM, Jon Thompson wrote:
> 
>> Alan,
>> 
>> Try running the commands in this article, as these types of things could appear if you are using a DNS server that is not one given to you by your ISP.
>> 
>> http://www.macworld.com/article/60823/2007/10/trojanhorse.html
>> 
>> I'm giving you this as a precaution, as well as to eliminate it as a possibility.
>> -- 
>> Jon Thompson
>> Evolve
>> www.dmevolve.com
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 2:13 AM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:
>> AB thank you very much for this information.  You are quite the internet sleuth!
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 29, 2009, at 7:21 PM, AB wrote:
>> 
>>> When typing in wildfire.gigya.com I got a "directory not listed" message, see screenshot.
>>> I went to the gigya.com website. It is a social media and content management internet based company with offices in CA, NY, and Israel. 
>>> 
>>> Perhaps they can investigate their own security on their servers since the discussion thread mentioned it was a leak in the respective company's network servers.
>>> 
>>> here's the contact info for them. 
>>> 
>>> Whether you have a comment, a bug to report,
>>> or a press or business inquiry, please use the following contact information. 
>>> We will get back to you as soon as possible.
>>> 
>>> Liza Hausman, Gigya 
>>> 650.353.4178 Office 
>>> 
>>> Mark Naples, WIT 
>>> 215.893.0581 Direct
>>> 646.265.7372 Cell
>>> Customer Support and Product Feedback Inquiries: support at gigya-inc.com
>>> 
>>> Sales related inquiries: sales at gigya-inc.com
>>> 
>>> Partner and Business Development Inquiries: bizdev at gigya-inc.com
>>> 
>>> Questions Relating to Terms of Use and/or our Privacy Policy:
>>> privacy at gigya-inc.com
>>> Our offices
>>> 
>>> Palo Alto Office (Corporate Headquarters)
>>> 
>>> 855 El Camino Real
>>> Building 4, Suite 290
>>> Palo Alto, CA 94301
>>> 650.353.7230
>>> New York Office.
>>> 
>>> 817 Broadway, 10th Floor
>>> New York, NY 10003-4709
>>> 646.722.8137
>>> Tel Aviv Office
>>> 
>>> 132 Begin road
>>> Azrieli round tower (13 floor)
>>> Tel Aviv, Israel 67021
>>> +972.73.7852400
>>> 
>>> --- On Sun, 11/29/09, Victoria L. Herring <vlh at herringlaw.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> From: Victoria L. Herring <vlh at herringlaw.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
>>> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
>>> Cc: alan.maupin at gmail.com
>>> Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 5:57 PM
>>> 
>>> you can go to Apple.com and set up a phone support call and explain the whole problem in the message so the person you speak to has an idea of the reason for the support call.  Seems easier than going out to the Apple Store - maybe a first step.
>>> 
>>> I certainly don't know but if you are having things show up in the finder window you might go to the Prefs for Finder and check on what is listed as contents on sidebar =- I don't know what Neighborhood would be other than perhaps you have Bluetooth or Bonjour enabled???  And they/it are picking up signals??
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> The problem is located in Finder application, on the Shared menu, under the submenu All:   random named URL's are showing up and are listed as Neighborhood.
>>> 
>>> The most recent URL to show up is "wildfire.gigya.com"
>>> 
>>> It does not go away with a reboot.
>>> 
>>> Does anyone know what causes this issue?  Is it a security issue?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Alan
>>> 
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From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 30 10:26:09 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 08:26:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [DM-MUG] iTunes 9 iMix "Issue"
In-Reply-To: <4B34FC64-1B10-4DD3-8043-8F1FAC6DF484@mac.com>
Message-ID: <593076.23380.qm@web110303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Thanks Bryan. I don't make iTunes purchases intentionally, to keep a tight leash for the times when I want to spend when I shouldn't. Sounds like a nice idea...!

--- On Mon, 11/30/09, Bryan Baker <ka_klick at mac.com> wrote:

From: Bryan Baker <ka_klick at mac.com>
Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] iTunes 9 iMix "Issue"
To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 9:17 AM

@AB: iMix is for sharing with other iTunes store users. Letting people? 
build up "Essentials" lists or themed lists of songs that people can? 
then choose to buy, etc. So iTunes needs to have a version in their? 
store of the songs you want in the list (since they provide a list of? 
previews).

I haven't been using that feature, but it sounds unfortunate that? 
they're making it harder for people to use.

Have you tried looking the song up in ITMS, then renaming a copy of? 
the song (or changing it's other meta data) to match that of the store?

On Nov 29, 2009, at 9:47 AM, AB wrote:
> I don't know if this helps any. I've not use the iMix feature? 
> before, but I always just make playlists composed of the mix of? 
> songs I want to hear, and then shuffle the playlist even further.? 
> iTunes doesn't reject those. I also scan the art from the CDs for? 
> any album art I want included.
>
> If I'm opting for the iTunes DJ, and I want to add a song for it to? 
> play, I just click the song and drag it on the iTunes DJ. It doesn't? 
> reject it.
>
> Hope that helps a little.
> -A.
>
> --- On Thu, 11/26/09, mauri booton <woohoowoohoo at me.com> wrote:
>
> From: mauri booton <woohoowoohoo at me.com>
> Subject: [DM-MUG] iTunes 9 iMix "Issue"
> To: dmmug at dmmug.org
> Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 8:51 PM
>
> I create iMixes using iTunes. In versions prior to 9 if a song I? 
> submitted for my iMix didn't match up exactly with the song/artist/ 
> album in the iTunes library, it initially rejected it for the iMix.? 
> The workaround was to go to iTunes Store and find the preview of the? 
> song (probably on a different album) and then just drag that preview? 
> file into your iMix playlist file after deleting your version of the? 
> song/file. A little bit cumbersome, but doable.
>
> As I just submitted my first iMix playlist using iTunes 9, it? 
> "rejected" 58 of 100 songs from my iMix leaving me with a 42 song? 
> iMix. When I went to "replace" those 58 songs using the iTunes Store? 
> "preview" songs file it wouldn't allow me to drag the preview file? 
> into my iMix playlist. I checked online and saw that others were? 
> having this problem too.
>
> Does anyone know of a workaround for this issue? If there is no? 
> workaround, can I have TWO versions of iTunes on the same computer? 
> and not run into any issues?
>
> Thanks!!
>
> ~~ mauri booton ~~
>
> Example: I may have a song I ripped from a cd that was on the? 
> original album of the artist, but iTunes only carries the song on? 
> the Hits version of the album ~ so according to the iMix "logic"? 
> it's NOT a match and is excluded from the iMix.
>
Bryan "ka-klick" Baker
Singer/Songwriter
ka-klick at ka-klick.com
http://ka-klick.com
http://twitter.com/ka_klick <-- Twitter Feed

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From jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com  Mon Nov 30 10:26:55 2009
From: jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:26:55 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
In-Reply-To: <0D0E319F-5D2E-4D50-88B3-298EB9DEDA77@gmail.com>
References: <171379.50220.qm@web110307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<4891EB9F-6186-4A86-88A2-5D1B4D3AF8D3@gmail.com>
	<865f37f30911300651u44ee7931k59b6ad7fc63c7c8e@mail.gmail.com>
	<87400E3E-9CC0-4625-9E90-14DD7FB86C58@gmail.com>
	<865f37f30911300813s144da82du652971103b622dab@mail.gmail.com>
	<0D0E319F-5D2E-4D50-88B3-298EB9DEDA77@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <865f37f30911300826rc57c48i787c4b51605e24ad@mail.gmail.com>

try doing the command in terminal

dscacheutil -flushcache

See if that helps
-- 
Jon Thompson
Evolve
www.dmevolve.com


On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes still there.
>
> On Nov 30, 2009, at 10:13 AM, Jon Thompson wrote:
>
> I wasn't concerned with the trojan being on your computer as so much as the
> trojan modifying your DNS settings, which are tied with the mDNS that you
> see in the Shared list.
>
> Am I correct in you saying that the items are still there?
> --
> Jon Thompson
> Evolve
> www.dmevolve.com
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Jon here is a newer article that mentions the trojan spoke of in the
>> previous article you sent, with an updated look at Snow Leopards defense:
>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=4139
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2009, at 8:51 AM, Jon Thompson wrote:
>>
>> Alan,
>>
>> Try running the commands in this article, as these types of things could
>> appear if you are using a DNS server that is not one given to you by your
>> ISP.
>>
>> http://www.macworld.com/article/60823/2007/10/trojanhorse.html
>>
>> I'm giving you this as a precaution, as well as to eliminate it as a
>> possibility.
>> --
>> Jon Thompson
>> Evolve
>> www.dmevolve.com
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 2:13 AM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> AB thank you very much for this information.  You are quite the internet
>>> sleuth!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 29, 2009, at 7:21 PM, AB wrote:
>>>
>>> When typing in wildfire.gigya.com I got a "directory not listed"
>>> message, see screenshot.
>>> I went to the gigya.com website. It is a social media and content
>>> management internet based company with offices in CA, NY, and Israel.
>>>
>>> Perhaps they can investigate their own security on their servers since
>>> the discussion thread mentioned it was a leak in the respective company's
>>> network servers.
>>>
>>> here's the contact info for them.
>>>
>>> Whether you have a comment, a bug to report,
>>> or a press or business inquiry, please use the following contact
>>> information.
>>> We will get back to you as soon as possible.
>>>
>>>  Liza Hausman, Gigya
>>> 650.353.4178 Office
>>>
>>> Mark Naples, WIT
>>> 215.893.0581 Direct
>>> 646.265.7372 Cell
>>>  Customer Support and Product Feedback Inquiries: support at gigya-inc.com
>>>  Sales related inquiries: sales at gigya-inc.com
>>>  Partner and Business Development Inquiries: bizdev at gigya-inc.com
>>> Questions Relating to Terms of Use and/or our Privacy Policy:
>>> privacy at gigya-inc.com
>>>   Our offices Palo Alto Office (Corporate Headquarters)
>>> 855 El Camino Real
>>> Building 4, Suite 290
>>> Palo Alto, CA 94301
>>> 650.353.7230
>>>  New York Office. 817 Broadway, 10th Floor
>>> New York, NY 10003-4709
>>> 646.722.8137
>>>  Tel Aviv Office
>>> 132 Begin road
>>> Azrieli round tower (13 floor)
>>> Tel Aviv, Israel 67021
>>> +972.73.7852400
>>>
>>> --- On *Sun, 11/29/09, Victoria L. Herring <vlh at herringlaw.com>* wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Victoria L. Herring <vlh at herringlaw.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
>>> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
>>> Cc: alan.maupin at gmail.com
>>> Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 5:57 PM
>>>
>>> you can go to Apple.com and set up a phone support call and explain the
>>> whole problem in the message so the person you speak to has an idea of the
>>> reason for the support call.  Seems easier than going out to the Apple Store
>>> - maybe a first step.
>>>
>>> I certainly don't know but if you are having things show up in the finder
>>> window you might go to the Prefs for Finder and check on what is listed as
>>> contents on sidebar =- I don't know what Neighborhood would be other than
>>> perhaps you have Bluetooth or Bonjour enabled???  And they/it are picking up
>>> signals??
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com>wrote:
>>> The problem is located in Finder application, on the Shared menu, under
>>> the submenu All:   random named URL's are showing up and are listed as
>>> Neighborhood.
>>>
>>> The most recent URL to show up is "wildfire.gigya.com"
>>>
>>> It does not go away with a reboot.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know what causes this issue?  Is it a security issue?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Alan
>>>
>>> <Screen shot 2009-11-29 at 6.11.32 PM.png>
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From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 30 10:34:04 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 08:34:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue (Trojan)
In-Reply-To: <0D0E319F-5D2E-4D50-88B3-298EB9DEDA77@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <520748.29541.qm@web110303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

My gut instinctively pegged it for a virus/trojan.... but I've never had one on a Mac. I'd still send a report to the URLs popping up, because it's bad for their reputation, assuming they are a legitimate business. If it's the same URL popping up in the Shared Devices list in the Sidebar, there's the FBI Internet Crimes website you can file a report at in full detail. I did that after I got phishing emails from banks I don't even bank at.

Can you use Time Machine to restore it to an earlier date?


--- On Mon, 11/30/09, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 9:23 AM

Yes still there.
On Nov 30, 2009, at 10:13 AM, Jon Thompson wrote:
I wasn't concerned with the trojan being on your computer as so much as the trojan modifying your DNS settings, which are tied with the mDNS that you see in the Shared list.
Am I correct in you saying that the items are still there?

-- 
Jon Thompson
Evolve
www.dmevolve.com



On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:

Jon here is a newer article that mentions the trojan spoke of in the previous article you sent, with an updated look at Snow Leopards defense: http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=4139

On Nov 30, 2009, at 8:51 AM, Jon Thompson wrote:
Alan,
Try running the commands in this article, as these types of things could appear if you are using a DNS server that is not one given to you by your ISP.

http://www.macworld.com/article/60823/2007/10/trojanhorse.html

I'm giving you this as a precaution, as well as to eliminate it as a possibility.
-- 
Jon Thompson
Evolve
www.dmevolve.com




On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 2:13 AM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:


AB thank you very much for this information. ?You are quite the internet sleuth!

On Nov 29, 2009, at 7:21 PM, AB wrote:

When typing in wildfire.gigya.com I got a "directory not listed" message, see screenshot.


I went to the gigya.com website. It is a social media and content management internet based company with offices in CA, NY, and Israel. 

Perhaps they can investigate their own security on their servers since the discussion thread mentioned it was a leak in the respective company's network servers.



here's the contact info for them. 

Whether you have a comment, a bug to report,

or a press or business inquiry, please use the following contact information. 

We will get back to you as soon as possible.

                
            
                

                    
                            Liza Hausman, Gigya 
                            

                            650.353.4178 Office
                            

                            

                            Mark Naples, WIT
                            

                            215.893.0581 Direct

                            646.265.7372 Cell
                        
                        
                            Customer Support and Product Feedback Inquiries: support at gigya-inc.com
                        
                            Sales related inquiries: sales at gigya-inc.com
                        
                            Partner and Business Development Inquiries: bizdev at gigya-inc.comQuestions Relating to Terms of Use and/or our Privacy Policy:


                            privacy at gigya-inc.com
                    
                
                
                    
                        Our offices
                        Palo Alto Office (Corporate Headquarters)
                        
                            855 El Camino Real

                            Building 4, Suite 290

                            Palo Alto, CA 94301

                            650.353.7230
                    
                    
                        New York Office. 
                        817 Broadway, 10th Floor

                        New York, NY 10003-4709

                        646.722.8137

                    
                    
                        Tel Aviv Office 
                        
                            132 Begin road

                            Azrieli round tower (13 floor)

                            Tel Aviv, Israel 67021

                            +972.73.7852400

--- On Sun, 11/29/09, Victoria L. Herring <vlh at herringlaw.com> wrote:



From: Victoria L. Herring <vlh at herringlaw.com>
Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>


Cc: alan.maupin at gmail.com
Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 5:57 PM

you can go to Apple.com and set up a phone support call and explain the whole problem in the message so the person you speak to has an idea of the reason for the support call. ?Seems easier than going out to the Apple Store - maybe a first step.



I certainly don't know but if you are having things show up in the finder window you might go to the Prefs for Finder and check on what is listed as contents on sidebar =- I don't know what Neighborhood would be other than perhaps you have Bluetooth or Bonjour enabled??? ?And they/it are picking up signals??




On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:

The problem is located in Finder application, on the Shared menu, under the submenu All: ? random named URL's are showing up and are listed as Neighborhood.



The most recent URL to show up is "wildfire.gigya.com"



It does not go away with a reboot.



Does anyone know what causes this issue? ?Is it a security issue?





Thanks in advance,

Alan






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From alan.maupin at gmail.com  Mon Nov 30 10:59:56 2009
From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:59:56 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
In-Reply-To: <865f37f30911300813s144da82du652971103b622dab@mail.gmail.com>
References: <171379.50220.qm@web110307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<4891EB9F-6186-4A86-88A2-5D1B4D3AF8D3@gmail.com>
	<865f37f30911300651u44ee7931k59b6ad7fc63c7c8e@mail.gmail.com>
	<87400E3E-9CC0-4625-9E90-14DD7FB86C58@gmail.com>
	<865f37f30911300813s144da82du652971103b622dab@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3A4D01B1-CD60-4711-A399-3D31D92E94B1@gmail.com>

Apparently VirusBarrier X5 has cleared up the Finder Shared Issue on all of my Mac's.  The random URL's were showing up on all three of my Mac's; MacPro, MacBook and Mac Air.   I still don't know what caused the problem but I'm guessing it was a trojan of some type.  I will uninstall the Antivirus later and see if the problem returns. 


On Nov 30, 2009, at 10:13 AM, Jon Thompson wrote:

> I wasn't concerned with the trojan being on your computer as so much as the trojan modifying your DNS settings, which are tied with the mDNS that you see in the Shared list.
> 
> Am I correct in you saying that the items are still there?
> -- 
> Jon Thompson
> Evolve
> www.dmevolve.com
> 
> 
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:
> Jon here is a newer article that mentions the trojan spoke of in the previous article you sent, with an updated look at Snow Leopards defense: http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=4139
> 
> On Nov 30, 2009, at 8:51 AM, Jon Thompson wrote:
> 
>> Alan,
>> 
>> Try running the commands in this article, as these types of things could appear if you are using a DNS server that is not one given to you by your ISP.
>> 
>> http://www.macworld.com/article/60823/2007/10/trojanhorse.html
>> 
>> I'm giving you this as a precaution, as well as to eliminate it as a possibility.
>> -- 
>> Jon Thompson
>> Evolve
>> www.dmevolve.com
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 2:13 AM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:
>> AB thank you very much for this information.  You are quite the internet sleuth!
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 29, 2009, at 7:21 PM, AB wrote:
>> 
>>> When typing in wildfire.gigya.com I got a "directory not listed" message, see screenshot.
>>> I went to the gigya.com website. It is a social media and content management internet based company with offices in CA, NY, and Israel. 
>>> 
>>> Perhaps they can investigate their own security on their servers since the discussion thread mentioned it was a leak in the respective company's network servers.
>>> 
>>> here's the contact info for them. 
>>> 
>>> Whether you have a comment, a bug to report,
>>> or a press or business inquiry, please use the following contact information. 
>>> We will get back to you as soon as possible.
>>> 
>>> Liza Hausman, Gigya 
>>> 650.353.4178 Office 
>>> 
>>> Mark Naples, WIT 
>>> 215.893.0581 Direct
>>> 646.265.7372 Cell
>>> Customer Support and Product Feedback Inquiries: support at gigya-inc.com
>>> 
>>> Sales related inquiries: sales at gigya-inc.com
>>> 
>>> Partner and Business Development Inquiries: bizdev at gigya-inc.com
>>> 
>>> Questions Relating to Terms of Use and/or our Privacy Policy:
>>> privacy at gigya-inc.com
>>> Our offices
>>> 
>>> Palo Alto Office (Corporate Headquarters)
>>> 
>>> 855 El Camino Real
>>> Building 4, Suite 290
>>> Palo Alto, CA 94301
>>> 650.353.7230
>>> New York Office.
>>> 
>>> 817 Broadway, 10th Floor
>>> New York, NY 10003-4709
>>> 646.722.8137
>>> Tel Aviv Office
>>> 
>>> 132 Begin road
>>> Azrieli round tower (13 floor)
>>> Tel Aviv, Israel 67021
>>> +972.73.7852400
>>> 
>>> --- On Sun, 11/29/09, Victoria L. Herring <vlh at herringlaw.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> From: Victoria L. Herring <vlh at herringlaw.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
>>> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
>>> Cc: alan.maupin at gmail.com
>>> Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 5:57 PM
>>> 
>>> you can go to Apple.com and set up a phone support call and explain the whole problem in the message so the person you speak to has an idea of the reason for the support call.  Seems easier than going out to the Apple Store - maybe a first step.
>>> 
>>> I certainly don't know but if you are having things show up in the finder window you might go to the Prefs for Finder and check on what is listed as contents on sidebar =- I don't know what Neighborhood would be other than perhaps you have Bluetooth or Bonjour enabled???  And they/it are picking up signals??
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> The problem is located in Finder application, on the Shared menu, under the submenu All:   random named URL's are showing up and are listed as Neighborhood.
>>> 
>>> The most recent URL to show up is "wildfire.gigya.com"
>>> 
>>> It does not go away with a reboot.
>>> 
>>> Does anyone know what causes this issue?  Is it a security issue?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Alan
>>> 
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Mon Nov 30 10:56:23 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:56:23 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Windows 7 Snap vs Mac OS X TwoUp
In-Reply-To: <3C130348-2140-4996-8CD3-E9AF9646E0FF@gmail.com>
References: <3C130348-2140-4996-8CD3-E9AF9646E0FF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06240804c739a99ff0de@[10.0.1.192]>

Thanks for the 2Up link...until Windowshade is updated for SL at 
least this helps a bit.  Not enough but some.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [lawfirm]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal]; 
Twitter: VictoriaJZ.

From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Mon Nov 30 10:53:19 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:53:19 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] iWeb Transfer from iMac To MacBook ~ Success!! Now on
 to MiFi...
In-Reply-To: <43565BD2-492F-404B-BFCF-CF92B13D200A@me.com>
References: <43565BD2-492F-404B-BFCF-CF92B13D200A@me.com>
Message-ID: <p06240803c739a8319b33@[10.0.1.192]>

>I'm really seriously considering the Sprint MiFi to use with my Touch 
>as well as when I travel and don't have access to a WiFi connection. 
>I'm having a difficult time getting my head around the 5GB monthly 
>limit. I've even visited some sites where they try to break it down to 
>emails, downloads, etc. ~ but is there really a "clear and accurate"
>site to get that information? Thanks!!

You might as well also check with discussions of iPhone data roaming 
use issues == the same issue applies, what you up and download may or 
may not be enough to go over the 5G -- depends on your usage.  I 
think emails might not matter so much but web surfing, video stuff 
etc. might.  You could do what I do and have a Gmail account to 
access my email when traveling and a separate one that is for my 
iPhone and from which I have deleted all listserves and anything else 
that I really don't need on the iphone but could get later at a web 
cafe.  By stripping down my iPhone GMail account to essentials I'm 
usually pretty safe on data use, though I haven't monitored it 
lately.  I'll check into it as of this past holiday and if I find 
something out will let you know.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [lawfirm]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal]; 
Twitter: VictoriaJZ.

From alan.maupin at gmail.com  Mon Nov 30 12:12:48 2009
From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:12:48 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
In-Reply-To: <865f37f30911300826rc57c48i787c4b51605e24ad@mail.gmail.com>
References: <171379.50220.qm@web110307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<4891EB9F-6186-4A86-88A2-5D1B4D3AF8D3@gmail.com>
	<865f37f30911300651u44ee7931k59b6ad7fc63c7c8e@mail.gmail.com>
	<87400E3E-9CC0-4625-9E90-14DD7FB86C58@gmail.com>
	<865f37f30911300813s144da82du652971103b622dab@mail.gmail.com>
	<0D0E319F-5D2E-4D50-88B3-298EB9DEDA77@gmail.com>
	<865f37f30911300826rc57c48i787c4b51605e24ad@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4518F314-6A14-4A86-84F1-4DF8377B814C@gmail.com>

The Finder issue continues:   I now have the www.sans.org url in the Finder - Shared - All, category.  I uninstalled the Antivirus on my MacBook to see if the changes stuck, and they did.  So gigya.com is out and sans.org is in.  Oh by the way, The Antivirus turned up absolutely no viruses or malware and subsequently made no changes to the MacBook. I don't think this Finder issue is a problem, I now believe its a feature.  A feature thats wasting a lot of time since it resembles a Trojan.



On Nov 30, 2009, at 10:26 AM, Jon Thompson wrote:

> try doing the command in terminal
> 
> dscacheutil -flushcache
> 
> See if that helps
> -- 
> Jon Thompson
> Evolve
> www.dmevolve.com
> 
> 
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes still there.
> 
> On Nov 30, 2009, at 10:13 AM, Jon Thompson wrote:
> 
>> I wasn't concerned with the trojan being on your computer as so much as the trojan modifying your DNS settings, which are tied with the mDNS that you see in the Shared list.
>> 
>> Am I correct in you saying that the items are still there?
>> -- 
>> Jon Thompson
>> Evolve
>> www.dmevolve.com
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Jon here is a newer article that mentions the trojan spoke of in the previous article you sent, with an updated look at Snow Leopards defense: http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=4139
>> 
>> On Nov 30, 2009, at 8:51 AM, Jon Thompson wrote:
>> 
>>> Alan,
>>> 
>>> Try running the commands in this article, as these types of things could appear if you are using a DNS server that is not one given to you by your ISP.
>>> 
>>> http://www.macworld.com/article/60823/2007/10/trojanhorse.html
>>> 
>>> I'm giving you this as a precaution, as well as to eliminate it as a possibility.
>>> -- 
>>> Jon Thompson
>>> Evolve
>>> www.dmevolve.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 2:13 AM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> AB thank you very much for this information.  You are quite the internet sleuth!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 29, 2009, at 7:21 PM, AB wrote:
>>> 
>>>> When typing in wildfire.gigya.com I got a "directory not listed" message, see screenshot.
>>>> I went to the gigya.com website. It is a social media and content management internet based company with offices in CA, NY, and Israel. 
>>>> 
>>>> Perhaps they can investigate their own security on their servers since the discussion thread mentioned it was a leak in the respective company's network servers.
>>>> 
>>>> here's the contact info for them. 
>>>> 
>>>> Whether you have a comment, a bug to report,
>>>> or a press or business inquiry, please use the following contact information. 
>>>> We will get back to you as soon as possible.
>>>> 
>>>> Liza Hausman, Gigya 
>>>> 650.353.4178 Office 
>>>> 
>>>> Mark Naples, WIT 
>>>> 215.893.0581 Direct
>>>> 646.265.7372 Cell
>>>> Customer Support and Product Feedback Inquiries: support at gigya-inc.com
>>>> 
>>>> Sales related inquiries: sales at gigya-inc.com
>>>> 
>>>> Partner and Business Development Inquiries: bizdev at gigya-inc.com
>>>> 
>>>> Questions Relating to Terms of Use and/or our Privacy Policy:
>>>> privacy at gigya-inc.com
>>>> Our offices
>>>> 
>>>> Palo Alto Office (Corporate Headquarters)
>>>> 
>>>> 855 El Camino Real
>>>> Building 4, Suite 290
>>>> Palo Alto, CA 94301
>>>> 650.353.7230
>>>> New York Office.
>>>> 
>>>> 817 Broadway, 10th Floor
>>>> New York, NY 10003-4709
>>>> 646.722.8137
>>>> Tel Aviv Office
>>>> 
>>>> 132 Begin road
>>>> Azrieli round tower (13 floor)
>>>> Tel Aviv, Israel 67021
>>>> +972.73.7852400
>>>> 
>>>> --- On Sun, 11/29/09, Victoria L. Herring <vlh at herringlaw.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> From: Victoria L. Herring <vlh at herringlaw.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
>>>> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
>>>> Cc: alan.maupin at gmail.com
>>>> Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 5:57 PM
>>>> 
>>>> you can go to Apple.com and set up a phone support call and explain the whole problem in the message so the person you speak to has an idea of the reason for the support call.  Seems easier than going out to the Apple Store - maybe a first step.
>>>> 
>>>> I certainly don't know but if you are having things show up in the finder window you might go to the Prefs for Finder and check on what is listed as contents on sidebar =- I don't know what Neighborhood would be other than perhaps you have Bluetooth or Bonjour enabled???  And they/it are picking up signals??
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> The problem is located in Finder application, on the Shared menu, under the submenu All:   random named URL's are showing up and are listed as Neighborhood.
>>>> 
>>>> The most recent URL to show up is "wildfire.gigya.com"
>>>> 
>>>> It does not go away with a reboot.
>>>> 
>>>> Does anyone know what causes this issue?  Is it a security issue?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>> Alan
>>>> 
>>>> <Screen shot 2009-11-29 at 6.11.32 PM.png>_______________________________________________
>>>> 
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From jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com  Mon Nov 30 12:52:50 2009
From: jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:52:50 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
In-Reply-To: <4518F314-6A14-4A86-84F1-4DF8377B814C@gmail.com>
References: <171379.50220.qm@web110307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<4891EB9F-6186-4A86-88A2-5D1B4D3AF8D3@gmail.com>
	<865f37f30911300651u44ee7931k59b6ad7fc63c7c8e@mail.gmail.com>
	<87400E3E-9CC0-4625-9E90-14DD7FB86C58@gmail.com>
	<865f37f30911300813s144da82du652971103b622dab@mail.gmail.com>
	<0D0E319F-5D2E-4D50-88B3-298EB9DEDA77@gmail.com>
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	<4518F314-6A14-4A86-84F1-4DF8377B814C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <865f37f30911301052n3afdbdefqedf345331ef687c4@mail.gmail.com>

Sans.org is a website devoted to computer security. I agree that this is a
feature that is being utilized, however, I am not sure what the feature is,
as I have never seen it in this fashion.
-- 
Jon Thompson
Evolve
www.dmevolve.com


On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:

> The Finder issue continues:   I now have the www.sans.org url in the
> Finder - Shared - All, category.  I uninstalled the Antivirus on my MacBook
> to see if the changes stuck, and they did.  So gigya.com is out and
> sans.org is in.  Oh by the way, The Antivirus turned up absolutely no
> viruses or malware and subsequently made no changes to the MacBook. I don't
> think this Finder issue is a problem, I now believe its a feature.  A
> feature thats wasting a lot of time since it resembles a Trojan.
>
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2009, at 10:26 AM, Jon Thompson wrote:
>
> try doing the command in terminal
>
> dscacheutil -flushcache
>
> See if that helps
> --
> Jon Thompson
> Evolve
> www.dmevolve.com
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Yes still there.
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2009, at 10:13 AM, Jon Thompson wrote:
>>
>> I wasn't concerned with the trojan being on your computer as so much as
>> the trojan modifying your DNS settings, which are tied with the mDNS that
>> you see in the Shared list.
>>
>> Am I correct in you saying that the items are still there?
>> --
>> Jon Thompson
>> Evolve
>> www.dmevolve.com
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Jon here is a newer article that mentions the trojan spoke of in the
>>> previous article you sent, with an updated look at Snow Leopards defense:
>>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=4139
>>>
>>> On Nov 30, 2009, at 8:51 AM, Jon Thompson wrote:
>>>
>>> Alan,
>>>
>>> Try running the commands in this article, as these types of things could
>>> appear if you are using a DNS server that is not one given to you by your
>>> ISP.
>>>
>>> http://www.macworld.com/article/60823/2007/10/trojanhorse.html
>>>
>>> I'm giving you this as a precaution, as well as to eliminate it as a
>>> possibility.
>>> --
>>> Jon Thompson
>>> Evolve
>>> www.dmevolve.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 2:13 AM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> AB thank you very much for this information.  You are quite the internet
>>>> sleuth!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 29, 2009, at 7:21 PM, AB wrote:
>>>>
>>>> When typing in wildfire.gigya.com I got a "directory not listed"
>>>> message, see screenshot.
>>>> I went to the gigya.com website. It is a social media and content
>>>> management internet based company with offices in CA, NY, and Israel.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps they can investigate their own security on their servers since
>>>> the discussion thread mentioned it was a leak in the respective company's
>>>> network servers.
>>>>
>>>> here's the contact info for them.
>>>>
>>>> Whether you have a comment, a bug to report,
>>>> or a press or business inquiry, please use the following contact
>>>> information.
>>>> We will get back to you as soon as possible.
>>>>
>>>>  Liza Hausman, Gigya
>>>> 650.353.4178 Office
>>>>
>>>> Mark Naples, WIT
>>>> 215.893.0581 Direct
>>>> 646.265.7372 Cell
>>>>  Customer Support and Product Feedback Inquiries: support at gigya-inc.com
>>>>  Sales related inquiries: sales at gigya-inc.com
>>>>  Partner and Business Development Inquiries: bizdev at gigya-inc.com
>>>> Questions Relating to Terms of Use and/or our Privacy Policy:
>>>> privacy at gigya-inc.com
>>>>   Our offices Palo Alto Office (Corporate Headquarters)
>>>> 855 El Camino Real
>>>> Building 4, Suite 290
>>>> Palo Alto, CA 94301
>>>> 650.353.7230
>>>>  New York Office. 817 Broadway, 10th Floor
>>>> New York, NY 10003-4709
>>>> 646.722.8137
>>>>  Tel Aviv Office
>>>> 132 Begin road
>>>> Azrieli round tower (13 floor)
>>>> Tel Aviv, Israel 67021
>>>> +972.73.7852400
>>>>
>>>> --- On *Sun, 11/29/09, Victoria L. Herring <vlh at herringlaw.com>* wrote:
>>>>
>>>> From: Victoria L. Herring <vlh at herringlaw.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
>>>> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
>>>> Cc: alan.maupin at gmail.com
>>>> Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 5:57 PM
>>>>
>>>> you can go to Apple.com and set up a phone support call and explain the
>>>> whole problem in the message so the person you speak to has an idea of the
>>>> reason for the support call.  Seems easier than going out to the Apple Store
>>>> - maybe a first step.
>>>>
>>>> I certainly don't know but if you are having things show up in the
>>>> finder window you might go to the Prefs for Finder and check on what is
>>>> listed as contents on sidebar =- I don't know what Neighborhood would be
>>>> other than perhaps you have Bluetooth or Bonjour enabled???  And they/it are
>>>> picking up signals??
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>> The problem is located in Finder application, on the Shared menu, under
>>>> the submenu All:   random named URL's are showing up and are listed as
>>>> Neighborhood.
>>>>
>>>> The most recent URL to show up is "wildfire.gigya.com"
>>>>
>>>> It does not go away with a reboot.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know what causes this issue?  Is it a security issue?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>> <Screen shot 2009-11-29 at 6.11.32 PM.png>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>
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From jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com  Mon Nov 30 13:09:02 2009
From: jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 13:09:02 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue (Trojan)
In-Reply-To: <520748.29541.qm@web110303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <0D0E319F-5D2E-4D50-88B3-298EB9DEDA77@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <865f37f30911301109r373f96b0h7d4a6eff4c387235@mail.gmail.com>

My gut instinct is that it is NOT a virus, however, I wanted to eliminate
that as a possibility, which Alan has done. This behavior is a normal
behavior of Wide Area Bonjour, which is regulated by your DNS server. I have
intentionally configured DNS servers to do this exact thing. However, I have
yet to figure out how exactly it is populating the dynamic bookmarks without
your prior knowledge, which is what I believe it is doing.

-- 
Jon Thompson
Evolve
www.dmevolve.com


On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:34 AM, AB <anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com> wrote:

> My gut instinctively pegged it for a virus/trojan.... but I've never had
> one on a Mac. I'd still send a report to the URLs popping up, because it's
> bad for their reputation, assuming they are a legitimate business. If it's
> the same URL popping up in the Shared Devices list in the Sidebar, there's
> the FBI Internet Crimes website you can file a report at in full detail. I
> did that after I got phishing emails from banks I don't even bank at.
>
> Can you use Time Machine to restore it to an earlier date?
>
>
> --- On *Mon, 11/30/09, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
> From: Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 9:23 AM
>
> Yes still there.
>
> On Nov 30, 2009, at 10:13 AM, Jon Thompson wrote:
>
> I wasn't concerned with the trojan being on your computer as so much as the
> trojan modifying your DNS settings, which are tied with the mDNS that you
> see in the Shared list.
> Am I correct in you saying that the items are still there?
> --
> Jon Thompson
> Evolve
> www.dmevolve.com
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=alan.maupin at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
>> Jon here is a newer article that mentions the trojan spoke of in the
>> previous article you sent, with an updated look at Snow Leopards defense:
>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=4139
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2009, at 8:51 AM, Jon Thompson wrote:
>>
>> Alan,
>>
>> Try running the commands in this article, as these types of things could
>> appear if you are using a DNS server that is not one given to you by your
>> ISP.
>>
>> http://www.macworld.com/article/60823/2007/10/trojanhorse.html
>>
>> I'm giving you this as a precaution, as well as to eliminate it as a
>> possibility.
>> --
>> Jon Thompson
>> Evolve
>> www.dmevolve.com
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 2:13 AM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=alan.maupin at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> AB thank you very much for this information.  You are quite the internet
>>> sleuth!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 29, 2009, at 7:21 PM, AB wrote:
>>>
>>> When typing in wildfire.gigya.com I got a "directory not listed"
>>> message, see screenshot.
>>> I went to the gigya.com website. It is a social media and content
>>> management internet based company with offices in CA, NY, and Israel.
>>>
>>> Perhaps they can investigate their own security on their servers since
>>> the discussion thread mentioned it was a leak in the respective company's
>>> network servers.
>>>
>>> here's the contact info for them.
>>>
>>> Whether you have a comment, a bug to report,
>>> or a press or business inquiry, please use the following contact
>>> information.
>>> We will get back to you as soon as possible.
>>>
>>>  Liza Hausman, Gigya
>>> 650.353.4178 Office
>>>
>>> Mark Naples, WIT
>>> 215.893.0581 Direct
>>> 646.265.7372 Cell
>>>  Customer Support and Product Feedback Inquiries: support at gigya-inc.com<http://mc/compose?to=support at gigya-inc.com>
>>>  Sales related inquiries: sales at gigya-inc.com<http://mc/compose?to=sales at gigya-inc.com>
>>>  Partner and Business Development Inquiries: bizdev at gigya-inc.com<http://mc/compose?to=bizdev at gigya-inc.com>
>>> Questions Relating to Terms of Use and/or our Privacy Policy:
>>> privacy at gigya-inc.com <http://mc/compose?to=privacy at gigya-inc.com>
>>>   Our offices Palo Alto Office (Corporate Headquarters)
>>> 855 El Camino Real
>>> Building 4, Suite 290
>>> Palo Alto, CA 94301
>>> 650.353.7230
>>>  New York Office. 817 Broadway, 10th Floor
>>> New York, NY 10003-4709
>>> 646.722.8137
>>>  Tel Aviv Office
>>> 132 Begin road
>>> Azrieli round tower (13 floor)
>>> Tel Aviv, Israel 67021
>>> +972.73.7852400
>>>
>>> --- On *Sun, 11/29/09, Victoria L. Herring <vlh at herringlaw.com<http://mc/compose?to=vlh at herringlaw.com>
>>> >* wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Victoria L. Herring <vlh at herringlaw.com<http://mc/compose?to=vlh at herringlaw.com>
>>> >
>>> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
>>> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org<http://mc/compose?to=dmmug at dmmug.org>
>>> >
>>> Cc: alan.maupin at gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=alan.maupin at gmail.com>
>>> Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 5:57 PM
>>>
>>> you can go to Apple.com and set up a phone support call and explain the
>>> whole problem in the message so the person you speak to has an idea of the
>>> reason for the support call.  Seems easier than going out to the Apple Store
>>> - maybe a first step.
>>>
>>> I certainly don't know but if you are having things show up in the finder
>>> window you might go to the Prefs for Finder and check on what is listed as
>>> contents on sidebar =- I don't know what Neighborhood would be other than
>>> perhaps you have Bluetooth or Bonjour enabled???  And they/it are picking up
>>> signals??
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com>wrote:
>>> The problem is located in Finder application, on the Shared menu, under
>>> the submenu All:   random named URL's are showing up and are listed as
>>> Neighborhood.
>>>
>>> The most recent URL to show up is "wildfire.gigya.com"
>>>
>>> It does not go away with a reboot.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know what causes this issue?  Is it a security issue?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Alan
>>>
>>> <Screen shot 2009-11-29 at 6.11.32 PM.png>
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From jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com  Mon Nov 30 13:12:31 2009
From: jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 13:12:31 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] iWeb Transfer from iMac To MacBook ~ Success!! Now on
	to MiFi...
In-Reply-To: <p06240803c739a8319b33@10.0.1.192>
References: <43565BD2-492F-404B-BFCF-CF92B13D200A@me.com>
	<p06240803c739a8319b33@10.0.1.192>
Message-ID: <865f37f30911301112v91b15d9xcb28c8cd6a4cec7b@mail.gmail.com>

Vicki, Have you seen my article on managing email lists? I've devoted an
entire email address for all list traffic, just so that I can use google
webmail with it, as well as being able to break away from list traffic
without breaking away from regular email.

http://www.dmevolve.com/2009/11/09/managing-email-mailing-lists/
-- 
Jon Thompson
Evolve
www.dmevolve.com


On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Victoria L. Herring <VLH at herringlaw.com>wrote:

> >I'm really seriously considering the Sprint MiFi to use with my Touch
> >as well as when I travel and don't have access to a WiFi connection.
> >I'm having a difficult time getting my head around the 5GB monthly
> >limit. I've even visited some sites where they try to break it down to
> >emails, downloads, etc. ~ but is there really a "clear and accurate"
> >site to get that information? Thanks!!
>
> You might as well also check with discussions of iPhone data roaming
> use issues == the same issue applies, what you up and download may or
> may not be enough to go over the 5G -- depends on your usage.  I
> think emails might not matter so much but web surfing, video stuff
> etc. might.  You could do what I do and have a Gmail account to
> access my email when traveling and a separate one that is for my
> iPhone and from which I have deleted all listserves and anything else
> that I really don't need on the iphone but could get later at a web
> cafe.  By stripping down my iPhone GMail account to essentials I'm
> usually pretty safe on data use, though I haven't monitored it
> lately.  I'll check into it as of this past holiday and if I find
> something out will let you know.
> --
> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs:
> http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography];
> http://www.herringlaw.com  [lawfirm];
> http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal];
> Twitter: VictoriaJZ.
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From john at createmydvd.com  Mon Nov 30 20:52:14 2009
From: john at createmydvd.com (John Robertson)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:52:14 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Using RAID with Tiger
In-Reply-To: <865f37f30911300706g4696c6dbv6a03069c5ca0e79@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7165C503-045E-4902-8762-D1ED0007F7DC@createmydvd.com>
	<465063.51438.qm@web110312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<865f37f30911292123o6fabaed6kb4e37cef7fc070be@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B137135.60205@brothersofchaos.com>
	<4B138507.2030109@brothersofchaos.com>
	<865f37f30911300706g4696c6dbv6a03069c5ca0e79@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <160FB691-8FFC-4C55-AAF4-731DAB56FB20@createmydvd.com>

Thank you Matt, Jon and Anastasia,


Thank you for clarifying my understanding of Raid types with your  
well thought out detailed explanations. Matt - thanks for the  
correction, you had me scratching my head for a minute but I knew  
what you meant ;)

After reading your explanations, I think I'll be testing a setup  
using RAID 1,  it makes the most sense for my application use.
I plan on using it for my dedicated machine that is used to transfer  
up to 100 gigs of data a day. The time it takes me to do this is more  
important than the data because the video data is still on the tapes  
and could be re-transferred if necessary. A nightly backup of this  
data is not practical for many reasons but I'm thinking if the drive  
does decide to fail, it will most likely do so on my last tape while  
I'm transferring data and then the whole days work is wasted. This is  
why I think Raid 1 might be a good way to go. At the price of drives  
today, I think it's worth the extra insurance.

I was hoping for a speed improvement like you say you get with other  
Raid setups but It's not worth the risk.

You guys/Gals are great! Thanks,
    John Robertson


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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Mon Nov 30 21:37:28 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:37:28 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] iWeb Transfer from iMac To MacBook ~ Success!! Now on
 to MiFi...
In-Reply-To: <865f37f30911301112v91b15d9xcb28c8cd6a4cec7b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43565BD2-492F-404B-BFCF-CF92B13D200A@me.com>
	<p06240803c739a8319b33@10.0.1.192>
	<865f37f30911301112v91b15d9xcb28c8cd6a4cec7b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06240806c73a3f660b3e@[10.0.1.192]>

I'll check out your article...no doubt good info.  I know you and 
others do use a separate address for lists == but my 
filtering/deletion method for the iPhone email account [a separate 
gmail address that gets forwards from HerringLaw and Journeyzing and 
that's it] is broader than lists...includes a bunch of other things. 
Anyone who really legitimately needs to reach me can easily enough 
and I don't have to deal with bulk type of things I don't mind 
getting otherwise, even in my other GMail account.  And Gmail has the 
best spam filtering in existence.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [lawfirm]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal]; 
Twitter: VictoriaJZ.

From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 30 22:14:47 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:14:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue (Trojan)
In-Reply-To: <865f37f30911301109r373f96b0h7d4a6eff4c387235@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <913624.1976.qm@web110309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

It's a gremlin!. . .? Or maybe H1N1, bird, swine, west nile flu. Seriously, it'd probably drive me nuts. 

Alan, Is there an off chance a third party thing in your System Preferences panel is the culprit?
Does it appear in all the user accounts? Can you make a new user account, and see if it appears? 

-A.

--- On Mon, 11/30/09, Jon Thompson <jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com> wrote:

From: Jon Thompson <jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com>
Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue (Trojan)
To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 12:09 PM

My gut instinct is that it is NOT a virus, however, I wanted to eliminate that as a possibility, which Alan has done. This behavior is a normal behavior of Wide Area Bonjour, which is regulated by your DNS server. I have intentionally configured DNS servers to do this exact thing. However, I have yet to figure out how exactly it is populating the dynamic bookmarks without your prior knowledge, which is what I believe it is doing.

-- 
Jon Thompson
Evolve
www.dmevolve.com



On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:34 AM, AB <anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com> wrote:

My gut instinctively pegged it for a virus/trojan.... but I've never had one on a Mac. I'd still send a report to the URLs popping up, because it's bad for their reputation, assuming they are a legitimate business. If it's the same URL popping up in the Shared Devices list in the Sidebar, there's the FBI Internet Crimes website you can file a report at in full detail. I did that after I got phishing emails from banks I don't even bank at.


Can you use Time Machine to restore it to an earlier date?


--- On Mon, 11/30/09, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>

Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 9:23 AM

Yes still there.
On Nov
 30, 2009, at 10:13 AM, Jon Thompson wrote:
I wasn't concerned with the trojan being on your computer as so much as the trojan modifying your DNS settings, which are tied with the mDNS that you see in the Shared list.

Am I correct in you saying that the items are still there?

-- 
Jon Thompson
Evolve
www.dmevolve.com



On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:


Jon here is a newer article that mentions the trojan spoke of in the previous article you sent, with an updated look at Snow Leopards defense: http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=4139


On Nov 30, 2009, at 8:51 AM, Jon Thompson wrote:
Alan,
Try running the commands in this article, as these types of things could appear if you are using a DNS server that is not one given to you by your ISP.


http://www.macworld.com/article/60823/2007/10/trojanhorse.html

I'm giving you this as a precaution, as well as to eliminate it as a possibility.
-- 
Jon Thompson
Evolve
www.dmevolve.com





On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 2:13 AM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:



AB thank you very much for this information. ?You are quite the internet sleuth!

On Nov 29, 2009, at 7:21 PM, AB wrote:


When typing in wildfire.gigya.com I got a "directory not listed" message, see screenshot.


I went to the gigya.com website. It is a social media and content management internet based company with offices in CA, NY, and Israel. 

Perhaps they can investigate their own security on their servers since the discussion thread mentioned it was a leak in the respective company's network servers.




here's the contact info for them. 

Whether you have a comment, a bug to report,

or a press or business inquiry, please use the following contact information. 

We will get back to you as soon as possible.

                
            
                

                    
                            Liza Hausman, Gigya 
                            

                            650.353.4178 Office
                            

                            

                            Mark Naples, WIT
                            

                            215.893.0581 Direct

                            646.265.7372 Cell
                        
                        
                            Customer Support and Product Feedback Inquiries: support at gigya-inc.com
                        
                            Sales related inquiries: sales at gigya-inc.com
                        
                            Partner and Business Development Inquiries: bizdev at gigya-inc.comQuestions Relating to Terms of Use and/or our Privacy Policy:



                            privacy at gigya-inc.com
                    
                
                
                    
                        Our offices
                        Palo Alto Office (Corporate Headquarters)
                        
                            855 El Camino Real

                            Building 4, Suite 290

                            Palo Alto, CA 94301

                            650.353.7230
                    
                    
                        New York Office. 
                        817 Broadway, 10th Floor

                        New York, NY 10003-4709

                        646.722.8137

                    
                    
                        Tel Aviv Office 
                        
                            132 Begin road

                            Azrieli round tower (13 floor)

                            Tel Aviv, Israel 67021

                            +972.73.7852400

--- On Sun, 11/29/09, Victoria L. Herring <vlh at herringlaw.com> wrote:




From: Victoria L. Herring <vlh at herringlaw.com>
Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>



Cc: alan.maupin at gmail.com
Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 5:57 PM

you can go to Apple.com and set up a phone support call and explain the whole problem in the message so the person you speak to has an idea of the reason for the support call. ?Seems easier than going out to the Apple Store - maybe a first step.




I certainly don't know but if you are having things show up in the finder window you might go to the Prefs for Finder and check on what is listed as contents on sidebar =- I don't know what Neighborhood would be other than perhaps you have Bluetooth or Bonjour enabled??? ?And they/it are picking up signals??





On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:

The problem is located in Finder application, on the Shared menu, under the submenu All: ? random named URL's are showing up and are listed as Neighborhood.



The most recent URL to show up is "wildfire.gigya.com"



It does not go away with a reboot.



Does anyone know what causes this issue? ?Is it a security issue?





Thanks in advance,

Alan






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From woohoowoohoo at me.com  Mon Nov 30 10:42:33 2009
From: woohoowoohoo at me.com (mauri booton)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:42:33 -0600
Subject: [DM-MUG] iMix Issue
In-Reply-To: <mailman.92.1259597876.2017.dmmug@dmmug.org>
References: <mailman.92.1259597876.2017.dmmug@dmmug.org>
Message-ID: <16584BAC-E380-4BE8-8831-4EBEEF681AFF@me.com>

Thanks for the suggestion of looking up the individual song  
information in the ITMS. I will give it a try. However, most of my  
iMixes contain 100 songs (the iMix limit) and usually when I initially  
submit the iMix... iTunes only recognizes between 38-42 on average.  
That would be a lotta lookin' up to do to get my library songs to  
match their info ~ but IF it's the only workaround, I may end up doing  
it.

~~ mauri ~~

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>   1. Re: Finder Issue (Alan Maupin)
>   2. Re: Finder Issue (Jon Thompson)
>   3. Re: iTunes 9 iMix "Issue" (Bryan Baker)
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> From: Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com>
> Date: November 30, 2009 10:05:37 AM CST
> To: Des Moines Mac Users Group <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
> Reply-To: Des Moines Mac Users Group <dmmug at dmmug.org>
>
>
> I'm downloading and installing the trial version of VirusBarrier  
> X5.  I'll let you know if it helps.
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2009, at 8:51 AM, Jon Thompson wrote:
>
>> Alan,
>>
>> Try running the commands in this article, as these types of things  
>> could appear if you are using a DNS server that is not one given to  
>> you by your ISP.
>>
>> http://www.macworld.com/article/60823/2007/10/trojanhorse.html
>>
>> I'm giving you this as a precaution, as well as to eliminate it as  
>> a possibility.
>> -- 
>> Jon Thompson
>> Evolve
>> www.dmevolve.com
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 2:13 AM, Alan Maupin  
>> <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:
>> AB thank you very much for this information.  You are quite the  
>> internet sleuth!
>>
>>
>> On Nov 29, 2009, at 7:21 PM, AB wrote:
>>
>>> When typing in wildfire.gigya.com I got a "directory not listed"  
>>> message, see screenshot.
>>> I went to the gigya.com website. It is a social media and content  
>>> management internet based company with offices in CA, NY, and  
>>> Israel.
>>>
>>> Perhaps they can investigate their own security on their servers  
>>> since the discussion thread mentioned it was a leak in the  
>>> respective company's network servers.
>>>
>>> here's the contact info for them.
>>>
>>> Whether you have a comment, a bug to report,
>>> or a press or business inquiry, please use the following contact  
>>> information.
>>> We will get back to you as soon as possible.
>>>
>>> Liza Hausman, Gigya
>>> 650.353.4178 Office
>>>
>>> Mark Naples, WIT
>>> 215.893.0581 Direct
>>> 646.265.7372 Cell
>>> Customer Support and Product Feedback Inquiries: support at gigya-inc.com
>>>
>>> Sales related inquiries: sales at gigya-inc.com
>>>
>>> Partner and Business Development Inquiries: bizdev at gigya-inc.com
>>>
>>> Questions Relating to Terms of Use and/or our Privacy Policy:
>>> privacy at gigya-inc.com
>>> Our offices
>>>
>>> Palo Alto Office (Corporate Headquarters)
>>>
>>> 855 El Camino Real
>>> Building 4, Suite 290
>>> Palo Alto, CA 94301
>>> 650.353.7230
>>> New York Office.
>>>
>>> 817 Broadway, 10th Floor
>>> New York, NY 10003-4709
>>> 646.722.8137
>>> Tel Aviv Office
>>>
>>> 132 Begin road
>>> Azrieli round tower (13 floor)
>>> Tel Aviv, Israel 67021
>>> +972.73.7852400
>>>
>>> --- On Sun, 11/29/09, Victoria L. Herring <vlh at herringlaw.com>  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Victoria L. Herring <vlh at herringlaw.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
>>> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
>>> Cc: alan.maupin at gmail.com
>>> Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 5:57 PM
>>>
>>> you can go to Apple.com and set up a phone support call and  
>>> explain the whole problem in the message so the person you speak  
>>> to has an idea of the reason for the support call.  Seems easier  
>>> than going out to the Apple Store - maybe a first step.
>>>
>>> I certainly don't know but if you are having things show up in the  
>>> finder window you might go to the Prefs for Finder and check on  
>>> what is listed as contents on sidebar =- I don't know what  
>>> Neighborhood would be other than perhaps you have Bluetooth or  
>>> Bonjour enabled???  And they/it are picking up signals??
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Alan Maupin  
>>> <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> The problem is located in Finder application, on the Shared menu,  
>>> under the submenu All:   random named URL's are showing up and are  
>>> listed as Neighborhood.
>>>
>>> The most recent URL to show up is "wildfire.gigya.com"
>>>
>>> It does not go away with a reboot.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know what causes this issue?  Is it a security issue?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Alan
>>>
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> From: Jon Thompson <jthompson-lists at dmevolve.com>
> Date: November 30, 2009 10:13:40 AM CST
> To: Des Moines Mac Users Group <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
> Reply-To: Des Moines Mac Users Group <dmmug at dmmug.org>
>
>
> I wasn't concerned with the trojan being on your computer as so much  
> as the trojan modifying your DNS settings, which are tied with the  
> mDNS that you see in the Shared list.
>
> Am I correct in you saying that the items are still there?
> -- 
> Jon Thompson
> Evolve
> www.dmevolve.com
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Alan Maupin  
> <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:
> Jon here is a newer article that mentions the trojan spoke of in the  
> previous article you sent, with an updated look at Snow Leopards  
> defense: http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=4139
>
> On Nov 30, 2009, at 8:51 AM, Jon Thompson wrote:
>
>> Alan,
>>
>> Try running the commands in this article, as these types of things  
>> could appear if you are using a DNS server that is not one given to  
>> you by your ISP.
>>
>> http://www.macworld.com/article/60823/2007/10/trojanhorse.html
>>
>> I'm giving you this as a precaution, as well as to eliminate it as  
>> a possibility.
>> -- 
>> Jon Thompson
>> Evolve
>> www.dmevolve.com
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 2:13 AM, Alan Maupin  
>> <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:
>> AB thank you very much for this information.  You are quite the  
>> internet sleuth!
>>
>>
>> On Nov 29, 2009, at 7:21 PM, AB wrote:
>>
>>> When typing in wildfire.gigya.com I got a "directory not listed"  
>>> message, see screenshot.
>>> I went to the gigya.com website. It is a social media and content  
>>> management internet based company with offices in CA, NY, and  
>>> Israel.
>>>
>>> Perhaps they can investigate their own security on their servers  
>>> since the discussion thread mentioned it was a leak in the  
>>> respective company's network servers.
>>>
>>> here's the contact info for them.
>>>
>>> Whether you have a comment, a bug to report,
>>> or a press or business inquiry, please use the following contact  
>>> information.
>>> We will get back to you as soon as possible.
>>>
>>> Liza Hausman, Gigya
>>> 650.353.4178 Office
>>>
>>> Mark Naples, WIT
>>> 215.893.0581 Direct
>>> 646.265.7372 Cell
>>> Customer Support and Product Feedback Inquiries: support at gigya-inc.com
>>>
>>> Sales related inquiries: sales at gigya-inc.com
>>>
>>> Partner and Business Development Inquiries: bizdev at gigya-inc.com
>>>
>>> Questions Relating to Terms of Use and/or our Privacy Policy:
>>> privacy at gigya-inc.com
>>> Our offices
>>>
>>> Palo Alto Office (Corporate Headquarters)
>>>
>>> 855 El Camino Real
>>> Building 4, Suite 290
>>> Palo Alto, CA 94301
>>> 650.353.7230
>>> New York Office.
>>>
>>> 817 Broadway, 10th Floor
>>> New York, NY 10003-4709
>>> 646.722.8137
>>> Tel Aviv Office
>>>
>>> 132 Begin road
>>> Azrieli round tower (13 floor)
>>> Tel Aviv, Israel 67021
>>> +972.73.7852400
>>>
>>> --- On Sun, 11/29/09, Victoria L. Herring <vlh at herringlaw.com>  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Victoria L. Herring <vlh at herringlaw.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Finder Issue
>>> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
>>> Cc: alan.maupin at gmail.com
>>> Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 5:57 PM
>>>
>>> you can go to Apple.com and set up a phone support call and  
>>> explain the whole problem in the message so the person you speak  
>>> to has an idea of the reason for the support call.  Seems easier  
>>> than going out to the Apple Store - maybe a first step.
>>>
>>> I certainly don't know but if you are having things show up in the  
>>> finder window you might go to the Prefs for Finder and check on  
>>> what is listed as contents on sidebar =- I don't know what  
>>> Neighborhood would be other than perhaps you have Bluetooth or  
>>> Bonjour enabled???  And they/it are picking up signals??
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Alan Maupin  
>>> <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> The problem is located in Finder application, on the Shared menu,  
>>> under the submenu All:   random named URL's are showing up and are  
>>> listed as Neighborhood.
>>>
>>> The most recent URL to show up is "wildfire.gigya.com"
>>>
>>> It does not go away with a reboot.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know what causes this issue?  Is it a security issue?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Alan
>>>
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>>> PM.png>_______________________________________________
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> From: Bryan Baker <ka_klick at mac.com>
> Date: November 30, 2009 10:17:38 AM CST
> To: Des Moines Mac Users Group <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] iTunes 9 iMix "Issue"
> Reply-To: Des Moines Mac Users Group <dmmug at dmmug.org>
>
>
> @AB: iMix is for sharing with other iTunes store users. Letting  
> people build up "Essentials" lists or themed lists of songs that  
> people can then choose to buy, etc. So iTunes needs to have a  
> version in their store of the songs you want in the list (since they  
> provide a list of previews).
>
> I haven't been using that feature, but it sounds unfortunate that  
> they're making it harder for people to use.
>
> Have you tried looking the song up in ITMS, then renaming a copy of  
> the song (or changing it's other meta data) to match that of the  
> store?
>
> On Nov 29, 2009, at 9:47 AM, AB wrote:
>> I don't know if this helps any. I've not use the iMix feature  
>> before, but I always just make playlists composed of the mix of  
>> songs I want to hear, and then shuffle the playlist even further.  
>> iTunes doesn't reject those. I also scan the art from the CDs for  
>> any album art I want included.
>>
>> If I'm opting for the iTunes DJ, and I want to add a song for it to  
>> play, I just click the song and drag it on the iTunes DJ. It  
>> doesn't reject it.
>>
>> Hope that helps a little.
>> -A.
>>
>> --- On Thu, 11/26/09, mauri booton <woohoowoohoo at me.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: mauri booton <woohoowoohoo at me.com>
>> Subject: [DM-MUG] iTunes 9 iMix "Issue"
>> To: dmmug at dmmug.org
>> Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 8:51 PM
>>
>> I create iMixes using iTunes. In versions prior to 9 if a song I  
>> submitted for my iMix didn't match up exactly with the song/artist/ 
>> album in the iTunes library, it initially rejected it for the iMix.  
>> The workaround was to go to iTunes Store and find the preview of  
>> the song (probably on a different album) and then just drag that  
>> preview file into your iMix playlist file after deleting your  
>> version of the song/file. A little bit cumbersome, but doable.
>>
>> As I just submitted my first iMix playlist using iTunes 9, it  
>> "rejected" 58 of 100 songs from my iMix leaving me with a 42 song  
>> iMix. When I went to "replace" those 58 songs using the iTunes  
>> Store "preview" songs file it wouldn't allow me to drag the preview  
>> file into my iMix playlist. I checked online and saw that others  
>> were having this problem too.
>>
>> Does anyone know of a workaround for this issue? If there is no  
>> workaround, can I have TWO versions of iTunes on the same computer  
>> and not run into any issues?
>>
>> Thanks!!
>>
>> ~~ mauri booton ~~
>>
>> Example: I may have a song I ripped from a cd that was on the  
>> original album of the artist, but iTunes only carries the song on  
>> the Hits version of the album ~ so according to the iMix "logic"  
>> it's NOT a match and is excluded from the iMix.
>>
>>
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