From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Thu Jan  1 12:15:59 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu Jan  1 12:19:41 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Upcoming Swap Meeting ==  1/27
Message-ID: <p06240800c582b7b22b70@[10.0.1.192]>

I have checked around for options and received some suggestions 
[primarily the Urbandale Public Library] and will this or next week 
try to nail down a place.

The general idea is that if anyone has 'stuff' that they want to give 
away, trade, swap, recycle, get rid of etc. they can/should bring it 
to the gathering == people can come to get things and people there 
can bring things and take things and work out things as they wish == 
but not just dump stuff there for others to haul away....Plan to come 
and 'hawk' your wares, pick up stuff....and take home [or drop off at 
recycling centers or Salvo] what you don't want or need.

I have a bunch of Mac magazines and software and cables and the like 
and will bring them...failing that I'll probably 'freecycle' 
them....so now is a good time to go thru all the 'stuff' you have and 
bring it to the meeting.

More details soon!!!!
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Lawyer, Discrimination/Civil Rights, 
http://www.herringlaw.com;  Travel Research/Photography, 
http://www.JourneyZing.com;    Des Moines, Iowa;  515-255-4475
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From treeguy at q.com  Fri Jan  2 16:42:25 2009
From: treeguy at q.com (Doug Blakely)
Date: Fri Jan  2 16:43:04 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Script Editor
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP47279C9B447DA0E592ADE3A9E20@phx.gbl>

I very much enjoyed the Capital Steps performance on WOI FM radio Thursday
evening. Following the show I went to the web site <capsteps.com>. The
entire show was available for download which I did.

Attempting to open and play provoked the message:

?Open Dictionary: Unable to read the dictionary of the application or
extension because it is not scriptable?

Clicking on ?OK? provided the following message:

?The document ?Radio-0812-1.rm? could not be opened. Script Editor cannot
open files in the ?Script Editor Document? format.?

I run a G5 with 10.4.11.

Thanks in advance for any insight or guidance anybody can offer. Thanks for
previous assistance with Entourage.

Doug Blakely

<treeguy@q.com>


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From cwsmith7 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  2 16:50:10 2009
From: cwsmith7 at gmail.com (CW Smith)
Date: Fri Jan  2 16:50:41 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Script Editor
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP47279C9B447DA0E592ADE3A9E20@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP47279C9B447DA0E592ADE3A9E20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <912DFA29-EA1B-4150-8201-955B9596DEFE@gmail.com>

.rm files play in Real Audio. You'll need to install Real Player (or  
update to the latest version) to play or stream .rm files.

I notice that the site also has the same songs in MP3 format, which  
will play in iTunes. Right-click on the files (or control-click if you  
have a one-button mouse) and save the files to the Desktop. Open the  
files from the Desktop and they should copy into your iTunes library &  
play from there.

Peace,
CW

------------------------------------------------

CW Smith
guitar, bass, percussion, Macintosh

cwsmith7@gmail.com

------------------------------------------------




On Jan 2, 2009, at 4:42 PM, Doug Blakely wrote:

> I very much enjoyed the Capital Steps performance on WOI FM radio  
> Thursday evening. Following the show I went to the web site  
> <capsteps.com>. The entire show was available for download which I  
> did.
>
> Attempting to open and play provoked the message:
>
> ?Open Dictionary: Unable to read the dictionary of the application  
> or extension because it is not scriptable?
>
> Clicking on ?OK? provided the following message:
>
> ?The document ?Radio-0812-1.rm? could not be opened. Script Editor  
> cannot open files in the ?Script Editor Document? format.?
>
> I run a G5 with 10.4.11.
>
> Thanks in advance for any insight or guidance anybody can offer.  
> Thanks for previous assistance with Entourage.
>
> Doug Blakely
>
> <treeguy@q.com>
>
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From thorgrim at imaginarytower.org  Sun Jan  4 12:24:58 2009
From: thorgrim at imaginarytower.org (David McLaughlin)
Date: Sun Jan  4 12:25:26 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Upcoming Swap Meeting ==  1/27
In-Reply-To: <p06240800c582b7b22b70@[10.0.1.192]>
References: <p06240800c582b7b22b70@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <69F7FB76-C72A-4E8D-8C8A-50AB42D4311A@imaginarytower.org>

> I have checked around for options and received some suggestions  
> [primarily the Urbandale Public Library] and will this or next week  
> try to nail down a place.

I'm finally recovering from the holidays (5 christmas gatherings) and  
I am working on updating the web site

Are we planning on having the Swap meet at the 01/27/2009 meeting at  
IImpromptu Studio?

David D. McLaughlin
webmaster@dmmug.org
From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Sun Jan  4 12:29:06 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sun Jan  4 12:29:32 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Upcoming Swap Meeting ==  1/27
In-Reply-To: <69F7FB76-C72A-4E8D-8C8A-50AB42D4311A@imaginarytower.org>
References: <p06240800c582b7b22b70@[10.0.1.192]>
	<69F7FB76-C72A-4E8D-8C8A-50AB42D4311A@imaginarytower.org>
Message-ID: <p06240814c586b0466c21@[10.0.1.192]>

>>I have checked around for options and received some suggestions 
>>[primarily the Urbandale Public Library] and will this or next week 
>>try to nail down a place.
>
>I'm finally recovering from the holidays (5 christmas gatherings) 
>and I am working on updating the web site
>
>Are we planning on having the Swap meet at the 01/27/2009 meeting at 
>IImpromptu Studio?

I got the sense that we should find a place that might hold more 
people and allow us to spread out and not inconvenience a business, 
even for that night....thus the library idea came up.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Lawyer, Discrimination/Civil Rights, 
http://www.herringlaw.com;  Travel Research/Photography, 
http://www.JourneyZing.com;   personal blog, 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  Des Moines, Iowa; 
515-255-4475
From rbowler at mchsi.com  Sun Jan  4 13:31:27 2009
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Sun Jan  4 13:31:46 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd:anyone want some of this? 
References: <980197.26120.qm@web59814.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7C38472C-046F-4A1F-9E02-FAD2751D233E@mchsi.com>

This came up on the recycling list. Anyone want any of it?

Begin forwarded message:

>>
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2009, at Jan 3, 20095:35 PM, jm50266 wrote:
>>
>>> Computers are old, 1 lc mac, 1 laser printer, two crt
>> monitors plus a pile of keyboards, all
>>> working when put away, must pick up.
>>>
>>> location i 80 and jordan creek parkway, will toss if
>> not claimed in one week.
>>>
>>>
>>> __._,_.___
>>>
From hfwelch at mac.com  Sun Jan  4 13:36:00 2009
From: hfwelch at mac.com (Holly Welch)
Date: Sun Jan  4 13:36:26 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Upcoming Swap Meeting ==  1/27
In-Reply-To: <69F7FB76-C72A-4E8D-8C8A-50AB42D4311A@imaginarytower.org>
References: <p06240800c582b7b22b70@[10.0.1.192]>
	<69F7FB76-C72A-4E8D-8C8A-50AB42D4311A@imaginarytower.org>
Message-ID: <C5E28A88-BDDD-4902-9041-306788CDA139@mac.com>

I prefer meeting at the Impromptu .. I think it has changed the tone  
of our meetings
On Jan 4, 2009, at 12:24 PM, David McLaughlin wrote:

>> I have checked around for options and received some suggestions  
>> [primarily the Urbandale Public Library] and will this or next  
>> week try to nail down a place.
>
> I'm finally recovering from the holidays (5 christmas gatherings)  
> and I am working on updating the web site
>
> Are we planning on having the Swap meet at the 01/27/2009 meeting  
> at IImpromptu Studio?
>
> David D. McLaughlin
> webmaster@dmmug.org
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> DMMUG@dmmug.org
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Sun Jan  4 13:52:56 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sun Jan  4 13:53:25 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Upcoming Swap Meeting ==  1/27
In-Reply-To: <C5E28A88-BDDD-4902-9041-306788CDA139@mac.com>
References: <p06240800c582b7b22b70@[10.0.1.192]>
	<69F7FB76-C72A-4E8D-8C8A-50AB42D4311A@imaginarytower.org>
	<C5E28A88-BDDD-4902-9041-306788CDA139@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p06240818c586c3ee0785@[10.0.1.192]>

then would someone talk to the Inpromptu people and make sure it's 
okay and see what we need to do to organize it so we have a great 
meet and also don't discombobulate them too much!  Thanks
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Lawyer, Discrimination/Civil Rights, 
http://www.herringlaw.com;  Travel Research/Photography, 
http://www.JourneyZing.com;   personal blog, 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  Des Moines, Iowa; 
515-255-4475
From studias at msn.com  Sun Jan  4 14:13:59 2009
From: studias at msn.com (Geoffrey Stevens)
Date: Sun Jan  4 14:14:23 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] merry everything
Message-ID: <BAY102-W13E807AB23BFEF7FFC8F59A8E00@phx.gbl>


I prefer meeting at the Impromptu


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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Sun Jan  4 14:24:01 2009
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Sun Jan  4 14:24:24 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Upcoming Swap Meeting ==  1/27
In-Reply-To: <p06240818c586c3ee0785@[10.0.1.192]>
References: <p06240800c582b7b22b70@[10.0.1.192]>
	<69F7FB76-C72A-4E8D-8C8A-50AB42D4311A@imaginarytower.org>
	<C5E28A88-BDDD-4902-9041-306788CDA139@mac.com>
	<p06240818c586c3ee0785@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <7D8F0CB5-F233-432E-9D7C-80EAC095D699@mchsi.com>

I'll talk to Dan about it.


On Jan 4, 2009, at Jan 4, 20091:52 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> then would someone talk to the Inpromptu people and make sure it's  
> okay and see what we need to do to organize it so we have a great  
> meet and also don't discombobulate them too much!  Thanks
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Lawyer, Discrimination/Civil Rights, http://www.herringlaw.com 
> ;  Travel Research/Photography, http://www.JourneyZing.com;    
> personal blog, http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  Des  
> Moines, Iowa; 515-255-4475
> _______________________________________________
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Ray Bowler

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From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  4 20:06:37 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Sun Jan  4 20:07:01 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Problem with System Preferences (10.4.11)
In-Reply-To: <49480.63.26.112.230.1230588051.squirrel@webmail.crosspaths.net>
Message-ID: <296548.45976.qm@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>




--- On Mon, 12/29/08, Russ Carlson <marruss@crosspaths.net> wrote:

> From: Russ Carlson <marruss@crosspaths.net>
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Problem with System Preferences (10.4.11)
> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug@dmmug.org>
> Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 4:00 PM
> Thanks Rod.  That worked!  Also thank you David for your
> links.
> 
> Russ
> 
> 
> >
> > ??This is an ugly one caused by the 2008-006
> security update.
> >
> >
> > You have to lock changes to make it stop. When the
> sheet comes down,
> move
> > the cursor over the padlock, then with one hand on the
> keyboard and the
> other on the mouse: press the return key to dismiss the
> sheet, then
> immediately click the padlock icon. You may have to repeat
> the procedure
> several times to get the sheet from appearing.
> >
> >
> > Once you have done this, you will not see the sheet
> until you turn off
> the
> > padlock.
> >
> >
> > This is a pain, but not much more can be done and I
> doubt that Apple
> will
> > be updating Tiger, now that Leopard has been out for
> so long and Snow
> Leopard will be released in the first quarter of 2009.
> >
> >
> > Rod Ragner -------------- Original message from Russ
> & Marilyn Carlson
> <marruss@crosspaths.net>: --------------
> >
> >
> >> I am using 10.4.11.  I am still using dial up and
> went to change to
> some new telephone numbers.  I went to system preferences
> network and a
> sign pops up that says "Your settings  have been
> changed by another
> application".  When I click on the OK button it goes
> away momentarily but
> comes right back.  I can't do anything else in the
> network and I have to
> force quit in order to close system preferences.  Does
> anyone have
> suggestions?
> >> Russ
> >> _______________________________________________
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> 
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Tue Jan  6 10:31:55 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue Jan  6 10:32:30 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Is there a way to find the REAL date of a CD's creation
Message-ID: <p06240800c58937f5cc74@[10.0.1.192]>

Music [AIFF] files on CD I popped into my computer == for some wierd 
reason the creation date is "today at 7:51" but I know it was created 
before today....is there some deep secret place that records the 
creation date of the CD that is 'real'???  How would I find it?
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Lawyer, Discrimination/Civil Rights, 
http://www.herringlaw.com;  Travel Research/Photography, 
http://www.JourneyZing.com;   personal blog, 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  Des Moines, Iowa; 
515-255-4475
From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Wed Jan  7 17:13:12 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Wed Jan  7 17:14:49 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] O'Reilly benefit for user group members
Message-ID: <p06240811c58ae76cef41@[10.0.1.192]>

just to note again, in case you didn't know:


Your group members receive a 35% discount on O'Reilly, No Starch,
PC Publishing, Pragmatic Bookshelf, Rocky Nook, SitePoint, or
YoungJin products purchased directly from O'Reilly. The discount code
your members should use is DSUG. Orders can be placed online at
http://www.oreilly.com/store/ or by calling 800-998-9938. Your members
are also entitled to a discount on O'Reilly conferences and tutorials.
Other special discount offers may also be forwarded to your group from
time to time.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Lawyer, Discrimination/Civil Rights, 
http://www.herringlaw.com;  Travel Research/Photography, 
http://www.JourneyZing.com;   personal blog, 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  Des Moines, Iowa
From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Wed Jan  7 17:32:00 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Wed Jan  7 17:34:54 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: "Take Control of Syncing Data in Leopard" for your MUG
Message-ID: <p06240802c58aeb81e3f4@[10.0.1.192]>

I have downloaded one copy of this and it will be raffled off at the 
meeting on 1/27/09, at Impromptu Studio - which will also be the 
sharing/swap meet....I'll be bringing a bunch of magazines and 
'stuff' too == more details to follow....someone to bring goodies?
>
>
>Sync Smarter with  the New "Take Control of Syncing Data in Leopard"
>
>If you have more than one Mac, or if you tote around an iPhone, iPod,
>BlackBerry, Palm, or mobile phone, you may need help when syncing
>data from one device to another. Our latest ebook, the 147-page "Take
>Control of Syncing Data in Leopard" by Michael Cohen, takes the
>stress and confusion out of syncing and is now available for $9 via
>the link below, since it includes the 10% MUG discount.
>Alternatively, you can save 20% if you order one or more related
>titles from the Special Discount collection in the left margin of
>that page.
>
><http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/leopard-syncing.html?14@@!pt=TRK-0073-TCMUG&cp=CPN31208MUG>
>
>With clear directions and a humorous touch, "Take Control of Syncing
>Data in Leopard" explains how to sync data from a Mac running Mac OS
>X 10.5 Leopard with other Macs, iPhones, iPods, mobile phones, and
>various PDAs. Whether you want to sync phone numbers between your Mac
>and your mobile phone, share calendars and keychains between Macs, or
>move only new podcast episodes to a small iPod, syncing expert
>Michael Cohen has the answers. You'll learn what software and gear
>you need and the best ways to move your data between different
>devices. The ebook also explains how syncing works under the hood and
>provides troubleshooting advice in case your sync engine throws a rod.
>
>Types of sync data covered include:
>* Calendar items stored in iCal, Entourage, and Google
>* Contacts stored in Address Book, Entourage, Yahoo, and Google
>* Data on Exchange servers
>* Dock items and Dashboard widgets
>* Apple Mail account settings, Safari bookmarks, and application preferences
>* Apple Mail and Entourage notes
>* Keychains (user names and passwords)
>* Items from software that uses Leopard's Sync Services, including
>NetNewsWire and Yojimbo
>* Audio, video, photos, and associated metadata from iTunes
>
>Types of devices discussed include:
>* Macs, with detailed coverage of MobileMe and overviews of popular
>third-party options
>* iPhone and iPod touch, via MobileMe or iTunes
>* Old and new iPods via iTunes, with details on whether and how to
>use a USB or FireWire connection
>* The Apple TV via iTunes
>* Mobile phones, smartphones, BlackBerries, and Palm OS PDAs
>
>Connection technologies and software examined include:
>* Bluetooth, USB, FireWire, Wi-Fi, and Ethernet
>* MobileMe, iTunes, iSync, IMAP (IMAP discussion is limited to Apple Mail)
>* Third-party products from BusyMac, Mark/Space, PocketMac, and Spanning Sync
>
>The ebook also includes a coupon for 50% off any syncing product from
>PocketMac.
>

-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Lawyer, Discrimination/Civil Rights, 
http://www.herringlaw.com;  Travel Research/Photography, 
http://www.JourneyZing.com;   personal blog, 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  Des Moines, Iowa
From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  9 06:30:18 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Fri Jan  9 06:30:46 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Entourage & Growl
In-Reply-To: <EB757F96-8384-4859-B8E6-01B71CD24044@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <199810.26063.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I have Growl as an add-on to the Adium instant message multi-platform. It also can be turned on/setup for using with Firefox and Yahoo instant messanger, and networked server connections. I like Adium for the real-time mail updates for all the common web-based email hosts such as Yahool, AOL, Facebook, GooogleTalk, MyspaceIM, Hotmail/MSN, Jabber, .Mac, LiveJournal, etc. Entourage will also give instant email notifications if left running (can close or minimize the window) I was never able to figure out the configuration settings in Entourage. I went through many instructions and tips on the internet, but it just never seemed to work to configure it for an exchange server account. So if anyone has any advice let me know. 


--- On Tue, 12/16/08, Matthew W. <maccelerate@earthlink.net> wrote:

> From: Matthew W. <maccelerate@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Entourage issue
> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug@dmmug.org>
> Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 3:53 PM
> Or in front of our computers in general!
> 
> Mw
> 
> On Dec 16, 2008, at 6:58 AM, Brandon Carlson wrote:
> 
> > Maybe the real problem is that we spend too much time
> in an e-mail client. :-)
> > 
> > On 12/16/08, James Lagnese <jlagnese@mac.com>
> wrote:
> >> We use Kerio Mail Server where I work, which
> emulates Exchange. Entourage
> >> seems to work better than Mail or iCal when using
> Exchange Accounts and it?s
> >> all in one application. I do get syncing issues
> with Entourage and Mobile Me
> >> though, but I find Mobile Me problematic in
> general.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> //On 12/16/08 12:51 AM, "Matt Wheeler"
> <maccelerate@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> You're right. Entourage doesn't do
> what Mail does... Run well!
> >>> 
> >>> It is definitely a personal preference issue,
> but I cannot stand
> >>> Entourage's
> >>> calendar. I've used 2004 and 2008, and
> both are equally useless (to me).
> >>> It
> >>> forces you to have a local calendar, even if
> you don't use it. If it
> >>> didn't
> >>> have built-in Exchange calendar support and
> used widely at work, I'd have
> >>> hacked Mail and iCal to interface with
> Exchange. As it is, it barely works
> >>> with Exchange calendaring, but that's
> enough. I don't have time to be the
> >>> only
> >>> Mail.app adopter at work, but I use it
> everywhere else.
> >>> 
> >>> Mw
> >>> 
> >>> On Dec 14, 2008, at 5:15 PM, Sharalyn wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>> I tend to not remember specifics but I
> just tried mac mail again
> >>>> recently
> >>>> and (really wanting to be be happy with it
> because I like all things Mac)
> >>>> found myself disappointed and frustrated
> frequently because I couldn?t do
> >>>> things I was used to doing, such as
> creating new folders, automatically
> >>>> routing incoming mail to to folders, stuff
> like that, plus I find
> >>>> Entourage
> >>>> easier to visually see, and easier to add
> to the address book, etc. It
> >>>> just
> >>>> seemed really bland. Also, like the
> calendar in E better than in M, esp.
> >>>> the
> >>>> alerts.
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> On 12/14/08 4:58 PM, "Jon
> Thompson" <jon@mac-consultant.com> wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>>> I use apple mail for all of my email,
> and I don't miss any features, so
> >>>>> you'll have to be more specific in
> what it lacks.  I do augment it with
> >>>>> GrowlMail and Mail Act-On, but I
> don't think Entourage does what either
> >>>>> of
> >>>>> those utilities do.
> >>>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
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> >>>
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Fri Jan  9 16:30:44 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Fri Jan  9 16:32:39 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Help needed fashioning ByLaws for DMMUG
Message-ID: <p06240812c58d8055d81b@[10.0.1.192]>

Not all lawyers can do all things...is there anyone in this group 
with some business/corporate experience who could take the ByLaws and 
tweak them?  Your present 'executive committee' is discussing ideas 
and we'd really love to have your help.  Thanks for your cooperation.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Lawyer, Discrimination/Civil Rights, 
http://www.herringlaw.com;  Travel Research/Photography, 
http://www.JourneyZing.com;   personal blog, 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  Des Moines, Iowa
From jrgeerdes at gmail.com  Sat Jan 10 08:28:10 2009
From: jrgeerdes at gmail.com (Jeremy Geerdes)
Date: Sat Jan 10 08:28:43 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Entourage & Growl
In-Reply-To: <199810.26063.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <199810.26063.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001B5340-94DA-4546-A863-04A3D7BA57F4@gmail.com>

Growl is a very nice little utility which can actually be set up to  
process just about any system notification in OS X. For instance, you  
can install a utility that will allow it to alert you when new Mail or  
any number of IM clients (e.g., iChat, Conversation, Colloquy) receive  
new messages.  Firefox will use Growl to alert to updates.  And there  
are many more.  It really is an wonderful utility application for  
system alerts.

Entourage, unfortunately, is a rather mediocre email client.  While  
its support for standard email servers and accounts is relatively  
solid, its support for Exchange is only partial and tends to be flaky,  
largely because even now, several years after Entourage first  
supported Exchange, that support is still rather improvised (e.g., it  
uses WebDAV instead of Exchange's standard MAPI connection).  In fact,  
there is no complete, native Exchange client on the Mac side as yet.   
Also, because Entourage does not utilize the standard MAPI connection,  
you have to alter the settings on your Exchange server to allow for  
WeDAV connections.  In addition to all this, Entourage has a handful  
of other nuisances, including the fact that it stores mail messages as  
both individual files and in its proprietary database;

All of that said, if you are determined to utilize Entourage with your  
Exchange server, you might check out the link below.  It will tell you  
how to make the necessary modifications to your Exchange configuration  
as well as how to setup your accounts in Entourage itself.

http://www.msexchange.org/articles_tutorials/exchange-server-2007/mobility-client-access/accessing-exchange-2007-apple-macintosh-part-2.html

Jeremy R. Geerdes
Effective website design & development
Des Moines, IA

For more information or a project quote:
http://jgeerdes.home.mchsi.com
http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com
http://jgeerdes.wordpress.com
jgeerdes@mchsi.com

Unless otherwise noted, any price quotes contained within this  
communication are given in US dollars.

If you're in the Des Moines, IA, area, check out Debra Heights  
Wesleyan Church!

And check out my blog, Adventures in Web Development, at http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com 
  !


On Jan 9, 2009, at 6:30 AM, AB wrote:

> I have Growl as an add-on to the Adium instant message multi- 
> platform. It also can be turned on/setup for using with Firefox and  
> Yahoo instant messanger, and networked server connections. I like  
> Adium for the real-time mail updates for all the common web-based  
> email hosts such as Yahool, AOL, Facebook, GooogleTalk, MyspaceIM,  
> Hotmail/MSN, Jabber, .Mac, LiveJournal, etc. Entourage will also  
> give instant email notifications if left running (can close or  
> minimize the window) I was never able to figure out the  
> configuration settings in Entourage. I went through many  
> instructions and tips on the internet, but it just never seemed to  
> work to configure it for an exchange server account. So if anyone  
> has any advice let me know.
>
>
> --- On Tue, 12/16/08, Matthew W. <maccelerate@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> From: Matthew W. <maccelerate@earthlink.net>
>> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Entourage issue
>> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug@dmmug.org>
>> Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 3:53 PM
>> Or in front of our computers in general!
>>
>> Mw
>>
>> On Dec 16, 2008, at 6:58 AM, Brandon Carlson wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe the real problem is that we spend too much time
>> in an e-mail client. :-)
>>>
>>> On 12/16/08, James Lagnese <jlagnese@mac.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> We use Kerio Mail Server where I work, which
>> emulates Exchange. Entourage
>>>> seems to work better than Mail or iCal when using
>> Exchange Accounts and it?s
>>>> all in one application. I do get syncing issues
>> with Entourage and Mobile Me
>>>> though, but I find Mobile Me problematic in
>> general.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> //On 12/16/08 12:51 AM, "Matt Wheeler"
>> <maccelerate@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You're right. Entourage doesn't do
>> what Mail does... Run well!
>>>>>
>>>>> It is definitely a personal preference issue,
>> but I cannot stand
>>>>> Entourage's
>>>>> calendar. I've used 2004 and 2008, and
>> both are equally useless (to me).
>>>>> It
>>>>> forces you to have a local calendar, even if
>> you don't use it. If it
>>>>> didn't
>>>>> have built-in Exchange calendar support and
>> used widely at work, I'd have
>>>>> hacked Mail and iCal to interface with
>> Exchange. As it is, it barely works
>>>>> with Exchange calendaring, but that's
>> enough. I don't have time to be the
>>>>> only
>>>>> Mail.app adopter at work, but I use it
>> everywhere else.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mw
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 14, 2008, at 5:15 PM, Sharalyn wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I tend to not remember specifics but I
>> just tried mac mail again
>>>>>> recently
>>>>>> and (really wanting to be be happy with it
>> because I like all things Mac)
>>>>>> found myself disappointed and frustrated
>> frequently because I couldn?t do
>>>>>> things I was used to doing, such as
>> creating new folders, automatically
>>>>>> routing incoming mail to to folders, stuff
>> like that, plus I find
>>>>>> Entourage
>>>>>> easier to visually see, and easier to add
>> to the address book, etc. It
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> seemed really bland. Also, like the
>> calendar in E better than in M, esp.
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> alerts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/14/08 4:58 PM, "Jon
>> Thompson" <jon@mac-consultant.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I use apple mail for all of my email,
>> and I don't miss any features, so
>>>>>>> you'll have to be more specific in
>> what it lacks.  I do augment it with
>>>>>>> GrowlMail and Mail Act-On, but I
>> don't think Entourage does what either
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> those utilities do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Sun Jan 11 09:11:23 2009
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Sun Jan 11 09:11:56 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] recycling electronics
Message-ID: <9BD7D96C-9311-4DB3-85E0-77254C2B0991@mchsi.com>

I had to get rid of a couple a TV and a non-functioning printer this  
week and found CP Recovery at 6555 Beaver Dr. Johnston. Their charge  
is 25 cents a pound. They break each item down to its components and  
recycle all of the parts.

Ray Bowler

rbowler.home.mchsi.com



From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Sun Jan 11 14:32:07 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sun Jan 11 14:32:38 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] What I am bringing to the Swap Meet
Message-ID: <p0624080fc590075c8beb@[10.0.1.192]>

Magazines ref. Macs pre-2007.  Mac Life, Mac Addict, Mac World etc.

CDs that came with some of these magazines or elsewhere.  Old 
programs and their licenses that I don't need.

Maybe some extra cables and other such.

I'm still cleaning out things and hope to have more.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Lawyer, Discrimination/Civil Rights, 
http://www.herringlaw.com;  Travel Research/Photography, 
http://www.JourneyZing.com;   personal blog, 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  Des Moines, Iowa
From homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net  Tue Jan 13 12:22:31 2009
From: homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net (Sharalyn)
Date: Tue Jan 13 12:22:58 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Mac vs. PC
In-Reply-To: <041601c975a9$9621f360$c265da20$@com>
Message-ID: <C5923807.5FC3%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLbJ8YPHwXM 

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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Tue Jan 13 14:19:14 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue Jan 13 14:24:11 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Mac vs. PC
In-Reply-To: <C5923807.5FC3%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>
References: <C5923807.5FC3%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>
Message-ID: <p0624080ec592a7b953e6@[10.0.1.192]>

great and fun time, thanks
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Lawyer, Discrimination/Civil Rights, 
http://www.herringlaw.com;  Travel Research/Photography, 
http://www.JourneyZing.com;   personal blog, 
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From thorgrim at imaginarytower.org  Tue Jan 13 22:05:40 2009
From: thorgrim at imaginarytower.org (David McLaughlin)
Date: Tue Jan 13 22:06:05 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Safari RSS Security bug for 10.5 & Windows
Message-ID: <6438D1E4-9A89-49D3-AB1D-964C9FBD71AD@imaginarytower.org>

See the report on Monday 01/12/2009 at

http://www.macintouch.com/

for details and a "fix" until Apple patches this.

Also see:

http://brian.mastenbrook.net/display/27

for more details.

David D. McLaughlin
webmaster@dmmug.org
From thorgrim at imaginarytower.org  Tue Jan 13 22:27:23 2009
From: thorgrim at imaginarytower.org (David McLaughlin)
Date: Tue Jan 13 22:27:48 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Safari RSS bug Update
Message-ID: <E656B7EE-6E72-4827-BB20-9BA646F269E7@imaginarytower.org>

If you use the RCDefaultApp "fix" as described in


http://brian.mastenbrook.net/display/27


you must apply the changes to all of the user accounts in which you  
use Safari

I installed the "RCDefaultApp" preferences pane for "all users" to  
make applying the patch easier.

David D. McLaughlin
webmaster@dmmug.org
From cwsmith7 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 13 22:27:40 2009
From: cwsmith7 at gmail.com (CW Smith)
Date: Tue Jan 13 22:28:06 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Safari RSS Security bug for 10.5 & Windows
In-Reply-To: <6438D1E4-9A89-49D3-AB1D-964C9FBD71AD@imaginarytower.org>
References: <6438D1E4-9A89-49D3-AB1D-964C9FBD71AD@imaginarytower.org>
Message-ID: <C2097C55-274E-453B-B774-E6C09D8615AA@gmail.com>

Thanks David. I'll pass this on to folks who should know.

Peace,
CW

------------------------------------------------

CW Smith
guitar, bass, percussion, Macintosh

cwsmith7@gmail.com

------------------------------------------------




On Jan 13, 2009, at 10:05 PM, David McLaughlin wrote:

> See the report on Monday 01/12/2009 at
>
> http://www.macintouch.com/
>
> for details and a "fix" until Apple patches this.
>
> Also see:
>
> http://brian.mastenbrook.net/display/27
>
> for more details.
>
> David D. McLaughlin
> webmaster@dmmug.org
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> DMMUG@dmmug.org
> Use this page to modify subscription options:
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug

From studias at msn.com  Wed Jan 14 09:21:52 2009
From: studias at msn.com (Geoffrey Stevens)
Date: Wed Jan 14 09:22:20 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Safari RSS Security bug for 10.5 & Windows
In-Reply-To: <6438D1E4-9A89-49D3-AB1D-964C9FBD71AD@imaginarytower.org>
References: <6438D1E4-9A89-49D3-AB1D-964C9FBD71AD@imaginarytower.org>
Message-ID: <BAY102-W41B99C054AEE31E65BEBADA8D60@phx.gbl>


Hi David,
I am not experiencing any problems with Safari/10.5.
Should I wait till an "official fix" comes from apple?
Geoff Stevens

> From: thorgrim@imaginarytower.org
> To: dmmug@dmmug.org
> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:05:40 -0600
> Subject: [DM-MUG] Safari RSS Security bug for 10.5 & Windows
> 
> See the report on Monday 01/12/2009 at
> 
> http://www.macintouch.com/
> 
> for details and a "fix" until Apple patches this.
> 
> Also see:
> 
> http://brian.mastenbrook.net/display/27
> 
> for more details.
> 
> David D. McLaughlin
> webmaster@dmmug.org
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> DMMUG@dmmug.org
> Use this page to modify subscription options:
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
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From thorgrim at imaginarytower.org  Wed Jan 14 09:37:45 2009
From: thorgrim at imaginarytower.org (David McLaughlin)
Date: Wed Jan 14 09:38:10 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Safari RSS Security bug for 10.5 & Windows
In-Reply-To: <BAY102-W41B99C054AEE31E65BEBADA8D60@phx.gbl>
References: <6438D1E4-9A89-49D3-AB1D-964C9FBD71AD@imaginarytower.org>
	<BAY102-W41B99C054AEE31E65BEBADA8D60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <66EAFDBE-425E-492B-885B-4BC66B942F7C@imaginarytower.org>

> I am not experiencing any problems with Safari/10.5.

It's a security bug.  If you go to a web site that exploits the bug  
they can basically look at anything on you Mac.  You will not "notice"  
the problem.

Another solution is to use Firefox

> Should I wait till an "official fix" comes from apple?

Since I personally prefer Safari over Firefox as a browser, I  
installed RCDefaultApp as indicated by the site


http://brian.mastenbrook.net/display/27


With Apple, sometimes they patch security holes quickly and sometimes  
it takes several months.

The only reason I brought up this one at all, is that this particular  
security breach has a wide scope (the contents of you Mac being  
exposed) if someone happens to take advantage of the bug.

Sorry if this doesn't help you decide what to do.

David D. McLaughlin
webmaster@dmmug.org
From ka_klick at mac.com  Wed Jan 14 10:48:24 2009
From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker)
Date: Wed Jan 14 10:48:59 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Safari RSS Security bug for 10.5 & Windows
In-Reply-To: <66EAFDBE-425E-492B-885B-4BC66B942F7C@imaginarytower.org>
References: <6438D1E4-9A89-49D3-AB1D-964C9FBD71AD@imaginarytower.org>
	<BAY102-W41B99C054AEE31E65BEBADA8D60@phx.gbl>
	<66EAFDBE-425E-492B-885B-4BC66B942F7C@imaginarytower.org>
Message-ID: <AE16606B-F70A-4380-B31F-C1101725DAA7@mac.com>

The other "fix" for this is to simply set another RSS reader to be  
default - I switched to Mail for the moment.
It's been "different" using Mail for RSS (and I'm kind of an rss  
junkie) but it's certainly workable as a temp fix.
One cool thing is it sorts into date threads for you which helps to  
organize things if you haven't been looking in on a feed for a while.



On Jan 14, 2009, at 9:37 AM, David McLaughlin wrote:
>> I am not experiencing any problems with Safari/10.5.
>
> It's a security bug.  If you go to a web site that exploits the bug  
> they can basically look at anything on you Mac.  You will not  
> "notice" the problem.
>
> Another solution is to use Firefox
>
>> Should I wait till an "official fix" comes from apple?
>
> Since I personally prefer Safari over Firefox as a browser, I  
> installed RCDefaultApp as indicated by the site
>
>
> http://brian.mastenbrook.net/display/27
>
>
> With Apple, sometimes they patch security holes quickly and  
> sometimes it takes several months.
>
> The only reason I brought up this one at all, is that this  
> particular security breach has a wide scope (the contents of you Mac  
> being exposed) if someone happens to take advantage of the bug.
>
> Sorry if this doesn't help you decide what to do.
>
> David D. McLaughlin
> webmaster@dmmug.org
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> DMMUG@dmmug.org
> Use this page to modify subscription options:
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug

--
Bryan "ka-klick" Baker
Singer/Songwriter
ka-klick@ka-klick.com
http://ka-klick.com
http://twitter.com/ka_klick <-- Twitter Feed



From jrearick at bobbis.net  Wed Jan 14 12:53:09 2009
From: jrearick at bobbis.net (John Rearick)
Date: Wed Jan 14 12:53:36 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Safari RSS Security bug for 10.5 & Windows
In-Reply-To: <AE16606B-F70A-4380-B31F-C1101725DAA7@mac.com>
References: <6438D1E4-9A89-49D3-AB1D-964C9FBD71AD@imaginarytower.org>
	<BAY102-W41B99C054AEE31E65BEBADA8D60@phx.gbl>
	<66EAFDBE-425E-492B-885B-4BC66B942F7C@imaginarytower.org>
	<AE16606B-F70A-4380-B31F-C1101725DAA7@mac.com>
Message-ID: <514C522F-B9A9-431D-93C9-A6D0F67EF4E1@bobbis.net>

Other RSS news readers for the Mac that seem to be popular is  
NetNewsWire ( http://www.newsgator.com/INDIVIDUALS/NETNEWSWIRE/ ) and  
Vienna ( http://www.vienna-rss.org/vienna2.php ).  I use NetNewsWire  
myself.  Both are free.

John


On Jan 14, 2009, at 10:48 AM, Bryan Baker wrote:

> The other "fix" for this is to simply set another RSS reader to be  
> default - I switched to Mail for the moment.
> It's been "different" using Mail for RSS (and I'm kind of an rss  
> junkie) but it's certainly workable as a temp fix.
> One cool thing is it sorts into date threads for you which helps to  
> organize things if you haven't been looking in on a feed for a while.
>
>
>
> On Jan 14, 2009, at 9:37 AM, David McLaughlin wrote:
>>> I am not experiencing any problems with Safari/10.5.
>>
>> It's a security bug.  If you go to a web site that exploits the bug  
>> they can basically look at anything on you Mac.  You will not  
>> "notice" the problem.
>>
>> Another solution is to use Firefox
>>
>>> Should I wait till an "official fix" comes from apple?
>>
>> Since I personally prefer Safari over Firefox as a browser, I  
>> installed RCDefaultApp as indicated by the site
>>
>>
>> http://brian.mastenbrook.net/display/27
>>
>>
>> With Apple, sometimes they patch security holes quickly and  
>> sometimes it takes several months.
>>
>> The only reason I brought up this one at all, is that this  
>> particular security breach has a wide scope (the contents of you  
>> Mac being exposed) if someone happens to take advantage of the bug.
>>
>> Sorry if this doesn't help you decide what to do.
>>
>> David D. McLaughlin
>> webmaster@dmmug.org
>> _______________________________________________
>> DMMUG mailing list
>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>> DMMUG@dmmug.org
>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>
> --
> Bryan "ka-klick" Baker
> Singer/Songwriter
> ka-klick@ka-klick.com
> http://ka-klick.com
> http://twitter.com/ka_klick <-- Twitter Feed
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From ka_klick at mac.com  Wed Jan 14 16:23:33 2009
From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker)
Date: Wed Jan 14 16:24:02 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Jobs taking Medical Leave of Absence until June!
Message-ID: <47F76855-676A-497F-9201-C67E356041DE@mac.com>


http://www.tuaw.com/2009/01/14/steve-jobs-takes-medical-leave-of-absence-until-june/


--
Bryan "ka-klick" Baker
Singer/Songwriter
ka-klick@ka-klick.com
http://ka-klick.com
http://twitter.com/ka_klick <-- Twitter Feed



From rbowler at mchsi.com  Thu Jan 15 00:03:48 2009
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Thu Jan 15 00:04:13 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Time Capsule
Message-ID: <A13AC438-F0B8-4610-986E-D1BDD382294D@mchsi.com>

My wife needs to use Time Machine on her Mac Book and we would like to  
have the set up such that she has hourly backups without being tied  
to  firewire drive. Using a drive connected to my Mac mini using the  
wireless connection from hers used to work but will not work anymore  
(Apple will not support time Machine over a wireless network unless  
you use Time Capsule) . Time Capsule seems to be what I need but I  
have another question--would the Time Capsule be a replacement for my  
second generation Base Station (the flying saucer)? The specs. look  
like it should work.

If it would work does anyone have a Time Capsule that they don't need  
and would be willing to part with at a low cost?

Ray Bowler

rbowler.home.mchsi.com



From jrgeerdes at gmail.com  Thu Jan 15 06:29:11 2009
From: jrgeerdes at gmail.com (Jeremy Geerdes)
Date: Thu Jan 15 06:29:39 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Time Capsule
In-Reply-To: <A13AC438-F0B8-4610-986E-D1BDD382294D@mchsi.com>
References: <A13AC438-F0B8-4610-986E-D1BDD382294D@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <36F5B6DE-65F0-4572-B70A-4829575512C9@gmail.com>

There are actually a couple of ways to get Time Machine to work with a  
3rd party networked drive (e.g., a shared drive on another computer).   
Apple just won't support them officially.

The first method, which I just found on the internet, is to open  
Terminal and run the following command:

defaults write com.apple.systempreferences  
TMShowUnsupportedNetworkVolumes 1

Then mount the network drive, and you should be able to select it in  
Time Machine's setup.

The second method, which I actually used successfully myself, is to  
connect the drive directly to the computer you want to back up and set  
up Time Machine to use that disk.  So, if you're using a FW drive,  
plug it directly into the MacBook; if you're using another Mac,  
connect the two using FW and boot the second machine in target disk  
mode.  Once you've set up Time Machine to use that disk locally, you  
can physically remove it from the machine, mount it remotely, and Time  
Machine will still recognize it.  The secret here is that Time Machine  
adds a couple of hidden files to the drive that tell it that the drive  
is okay to use.

As I mentioned, I use Time Machine without problem with a Western  
Digital MyBook 500GB USB2.0 drive plugged into a plain Airport  
Extreme.  This is not an officially-supported solution, but it works  
just fine (so far).

Jeremy R. Geerdes
Effective website design & development
Des Moines, IA

For more information or a project quote:
http://jgeerdes.home.mchsi.com
http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com
http://jgeerdes.wordpress.com
jgeerdes@mchsi.com

Unless otherwise noted, any price quotes contained within this  
communication are given in US dollars.

If you're in the Des Moines, IA, area, check out Debra Heights  
Wesleyan Church!

And check out my blog, Adventures in Web Development, at http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com 
  !


On Jan 15, 2009, at 12:03 AM, Ray Bowler wrote:

> My wife needs to use Time Machine on her Mac Book and we would like  
> to have the set up such that she has hourly backups without being  
> tied to  firewire drive. Using a drive connected to my Mac mini  
> using the wireless connection from hers used to work but will not  
> work anymore (Apple will not support time Machine over a wireless  
> network unless you use Time Capsule) . Time Capsule seems to be what  
> I need but I have another question--would the Time Capsule be a  
> replacement for my second generation Base Station (the flying  
> saucer)? The specs. look like it should work.
>
> If it would work does anyone have a Time Capsule that they don't  
> need and would be willing to part with at a low cost?
>
> Ray Bowler
>
> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>
>
>
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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Thu Jan 15 08:38:59 2009
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Thu Jan 15 08:39:22 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Time Capsule
In-Reply-To: <36F5B6DE-65F0-4572-B70A-4829575512C9@gmail.com>
References: <A13AC438-F0B8-4610-986E-D1BDD382294D@mchsi.com>
	<36F5B6DE-65F0-4572-B70A-4829575512C9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7FAA58A2-E6DC-4EE1-B9D7-11C01AA5CE13@mchsi.com>

Thanks Jeremy.

  The iBook has been using the wireless connection to my external hard  
drive for a long time. We have had occasional failures on a particular  
backup but then they are fine. Now I have discovered that it hasn't  
been working for a while. I am aware that Apple doesn't support this  
configuration so help from Apple Care is out. CW Smith(used to be at  
Haddock) has a setup which works with Time Machine on several  
networked computers. The key is using a later Airport than what I have  
which means buying a new wireless. I also need a new HD so most of the  
cost of Time Capsule will be with I could spend with another  
configurations. There are a couple of other factors involved which  
lead me to consider Time Capsule as a solution.

When I tell Time Machine to go to the backup it does so but the site  
has no backups --the drive also is empty when viewed in Finder. When I  
use your command in Terminal it doesn't show anything so I assume that  
all network drives are supported.  I'm going to play with this a  
little on this cold day when I shouldn't leave the house.

Ray

On Jan 15, 2009, at Jan 15, 20096:29 AM, Jeremy Geerdes wrote:


> There are actually a couple of ways to get Time Machine to work with  
> a 3rd party networked drive (e.g., a shared drive on another  
> computer).  Apple just won't support them officially.
>
> The first method, which I just found on the internet, is to open  
> Terminal and run the following command:
>
> defaults write com.apple.systempreferences  
> TMShowUnsupportedNetworkVolumes 1
>
> Then mount the network drive, and you should be able to select it in  
> Time Machine's setup.
>
> The second method, which I actually used successfully myself, is to  
> connect the drive directly to the computer you want to back up and  
> set up Time Machine to use that disk.  So, if you're using a FW  
> drive, plug it directly into the MacBook; if you're using another  
> Mac, connect the two using FW and boot the second machine in target  
> disk mode.  Once you've set up Time Machine to use that disk  
> locally, you can physically remove it from the machine, mount it  
> remotely, and Time Machine will still recognize it.  The secret here  
> is that Time Machine adds a couple of hidden files to the drive that  
> tell it that the drive is okay to use.
>
> As I mentioned, I use Time Machine without problem with a Western  
> Digital MyBook 500GB USB2.0 drive plugged into a plain Airport  
> Extreme.  This is not an officially-supported solution, but it works  
> just fine (so far).
>
> Jeremy R. Geerdes
> Effective website design & development
> Des Moines, IA
>
> For more information or a project quote:
> http://jgeerdes.home.mchsi.com
> http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com
> http://jgeerdes.wordpress.com
> jgeerdes@mchsi.com
>
> Unless otherwise noted, any price quotes contained within this  
> communication are given in US dollars.
>
> If you're in the Des Moines, IA, area, check out Debra Heights  
> Wesleyan Church!
>
> And check out my blog, Adventures in Web Development, at http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com 
>  !
>
>
> On Jan 15, 2009, at 12:03 AM, Ray Bowler wrote:
>
>> My wife needs to use Time Machine on her Mac Book and we would like  
>> to have the set up such that she has hourly backups without being  
>> tied to  firewire drive. Using a drive connected to my Mac mini  
>> using the wireless connection from hers used to work but will not  
>> work anymore (Apple will not support time Machine over a wireless  
>> network unless you use Time Capsule) . Time Capsule seems to be  
>> what I need but I have another question--would the Time Capsule be  
>> a replacement for my second generation Base Station (the flying  
>> saucer)? The specs. look like it should work.
>>
>> If it would work does anyone have a Time Capsule that they don't  
>> need and would be willing to part with at a low cost?
>>
>> Ray Bowler
>>
>> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> DMMUG mailing list
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From scmoe at mchsi.com  Thu Jan 15 21:46:13 2009
From: scmoe at mchsi.com (Stephen Moe)
Date: Thu Jan 15 21:46:36 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] purchase QuickBooks 2007 software
Message-ID: <CEBEB0EC-2FAD-45C0-9D05-1D72AA760444@mchsi.com>

I am in the process of upgrading my MACs for my business, but probably  
can't take them all the way to leopard at this point.  I am already  
running leopard on an IMac at home, but still have panther on the ones  
I use QuickBooks Pro 6 on.  I can upgrade to Tiger on at least one of  
my other computers, so I hope QB Pro 2007 is a good way to go.  I am  
open for suggestions and also the availability of the program if  
someone has just upgraded to 2009.  Thanks.

Carolyn Moe
Gifts of Grace LLC
Gladbrook, IA 50635
641-473-2261
giftsofgrace@iowatelecom.net
www.Godsgiftsofgrace.com

From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Fri Jan 16 09:11:41 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Fri Jan 16 09:19:59 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] In case you're interested in Twitter for Business
Message-ID: <p0624080bc59653ca80e8@[10.0.1.192]>

from OReilly Media:  discount info below

>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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http://www.JourneyZing.com;   personal blog, 
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From adk at 52761.com  Sat Jan 17 11:56:53 2009
From: adk at 52761.com (Allen Kiddoo)
Date: Sat Jan 17 11:57:20 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Handy USB apps
Message-ID: <678823f00901170956y23e8d505hbc97a8902b8f0985@mail.gmail.com>

http://maclibre.com/about
From rbowler at mchsi.com  Tue Jan 20 22:34:04 2009
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Tue Jan 20 22:34:31 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Airport puzzle
Message-ID: <69E56AE4-48CC-4287-A571-82F104D216D1@mchsi.com>

Hi,

Over the weekend I replaced my airport base station (the flying  
saucer) with a Time Capsule which uses  Airport extreme. My mini and  
my wife's Mac book have extreme cards. This works fine. I also have my  
wife's old iBook and when I look at the Airport in System Profile it  
just says it is an Airport card. I cannot get this iBook to connect  
to  the network or even recognize that it exists. When I connect with  
an ethernet cable it recognizes the network and connects.  Are the  
base station and the early Airport card incompatible? Any suggestions?


Ray Bowler

rbowler.home.mchsi.com



From jrgeerdes at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 05:38:18 2009
From: jrgeerdes at gmail.com (Jeremy Geerdes)
Date: Wed Jan 21 05:38:46 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Airport puzzle
In-Reply-To: <69E56AE4-48CC-4287-A571-82F104D216D1@mchsi.com>
References: <69E56AE4-48CC-4287-A571-82F104D216D1@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <D983046F-F54C-466B-971E-5111396AD86C@gmail.com>

I've read that there can be a few issues with iBook G4's and wireless  
networks - namely Airport Extremes/Time Capsules - depending on a  
couple of things. The first thing I would check, though, is the  
Airport Extreme's radio mode.  To do this, open the Airport Utility on  
one of the computers that can see the station, select the Airport  
Extreme, and click the Manual Setup button.  Under the Airport tab, in  
the Wireless section, there is a select menu for Radio Mode. Make sure  
that this is set to "802.11n (b/g compatible)."  If it wasn't set to  
that before, set it there now.  If it was, then I would suggest  
disabling the Extreme's 802.11n support for the moment.  To do this,  
hold down the Option-key as you open that same select menu.  A bunch  
of additional modes will appear below the original four.  Select, for  
the moment, "802.11b only."  Save the changes, wait for the station to  
restart, and check to see if the iBook can see it now.  If you just  
set the station to "802.11b only," and the iBook sees it now, you  
might now be able to reset the station to "802.11n (b/g compatible)"  
mode.  I've read that sometimes just temporarily switching the radio  
mode can convince the computer to find the station.

Jeremy R. Geerdes
Effective website design & development
Des Moines, IA

For more information or a project quote:
http://jgeerdes.home.mchsi.com
http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com
http://jgeerdes.wordpress.com
jgeerdes@mchsi.com

Unless otherwise noted, any price quotes contained within this  
communication are given in US dollars.

If you're in the Des Moines, IA, area, check out Debra Heights  
Wesleyan Church!

And check out my blog, Adventures in Web Development, at http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com 
  !


On Jan 20, 2009, at 10:34 PM, Ray Bowler wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Over the weekend I replaced my airport base station (the flying  
> saucer) with a Time Capsule which uses  Airport extreme. My mini and  
> my wife's Mac book have extreme cards. This works fine. I also have  
> my wife's old iBook and when I look at the Airport in System Profile  
> it just says it is an Airport card. I cannot get this iBook to  
> connect to  the network or even recognize that it exists. When I  
> connect with an ethernet cable it recognizes the network and  
> connects.  Are the base station and the early Airport card  
> incompatible? Any suggestions?
>
>
> Ray Bowler
>
> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> DMMUG@dmmug.org
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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Wed Jan 21 10:22:05 2009
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Wed Jan 21 10:22:31 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Airport puzzle
In-Reply-To: <D983046F-F54C-466B-971E-5111396AD86C@gmail.com>
References: <69E56AE4-48CC-4287-A571-82F104D216D1@mchsi.com>
	<D983046F-F54C-466B-971E-5111396AD86C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01CF6DA4-739C-44D3-91FA-AC45857EEF9F@mchsi.com>

Jeremy,

Thanks for the tips. This is a G3 iBook.  I am not sure if it worked  
or not because of the password. A couple of times I had a message that  
the password was invalid although it was correct. The iBook needs to  
use WEP and the Extreme is using WPA Personal.


On Jan 21, 2009, at Jan 21, 20095:38 AM, Jeremy Geerdes wrote:

> I've read that there can be a few issues with iBook G4's and  
> wireless networks - namely Airport Extremes/Time Capsules -  
> depending on a couple of things. The first thing I would check,  
> though, is the Airport Extreme's radio mode.  To do this, open the  
> Airport Utility on one of the computers that can see the station,  
> select the Airport Extreme, and click the Manual Setup button.   
> Under the Airport tab, in the Wireless section, there is a select  
> menu for Radio Mode. Make sure that this is set to "802.11n (b/g  
> compatible)."  If it wasn't set to that before, set it there now.   
> If it was, then I would suggest disabling the Extreme's 802.11n  
> support for the moment.  To do this, hold down the Option-key as you  
> open that same select menu.  A bunch of additional modes will appear  
> below the original four.  Select, for the moment, "802.11b only."   
> Save the changes, wait for the station to restart, and check to see  
> if the iBook can see it now.  If you just set the station to  
> "802.11b only," and the iBook sees it now, you might now be able to  
> reset the station to "802.11n (b/g compatible)" mode.  I've read  
> that sometimes just temporarily switching the radio mode can  
> convince the computer to find the station.
>
> Jeremy R. Geerdes
> Effective website design & development
> Des Moines, IA
>
> For more information or a project quote:
> http://jgeerdes.home.mchsi.com
> http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com
> http://jgeerdes.wordpress.com
> jgeerdes@mchsi.com
>
> Unless otherwise noted, any price quotes contained within this  
> communication are given in US dollars.
>
> If you're in the Des Moines, IA, area, check out Debra Heights  
> Wesleyan Church!
>
> And check out my blog, Adventures in Web Development, at http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com 
>  !
>
>
> On Jan 20, 2009, at 10:34 PM, Ray Bowler wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Over the weekend I replaced my airport base station (the flying  
>> saucer) with a Time Capsule which uses  Airport extreme. My mini  
>> and my wife's Mac book have extreme cards. This works fine. I also  
>> have my wife's old iBook and when I look at the Airport in System  
>> Profile it just says it is an Airport card. I cannot get this iBook  
>> to connect to  the network or even recognize that it exists. When I  
>> connect with an ethernet cable it recognizes the network and  
>> connects.  Are the base station and the early Airport card  
>> incompatible? Any suggestions?
>>
>>
>> Ray Bowler
>>
>> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> DMMUG mailing list
>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>> DMMUG@dmmug.org
>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
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>
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From jrgeerdes at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 10:38:45 2009
From: jrgeerdes at gmail.com (Jeremy Geerdes)
Date: Wed Jan 21 10:39:17 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Airport puzzle
In-Reply-To: <01CF6DA4-739C-44D3-91FA-AC45857EEF9F@mchsi.com>
References: <69E56AE4-48CC-4287-A571-82F104D216D1@mchsi.com>
	<D983046F-F54C-466B-971E-5111396AD86C@gmail.com>
	<01CF6DA4-739C-44D3-91FA-AC45857EEF9F@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <C293C52F-E281-4239-9E7D-E4B1A4E06CC2@gmail.com>

Yeah, that was going to be my next suggestion.  I've linked  an Apple  
Support article that might help.  Essentially, it says to make sure  
(a) your iBook is running OSX 10.3 or later and (b) AirPort software  
3.3 or later.  Apple suggests that, if your iBook does not meet these  
requirements, you switch the Airport Extreme to use WEP instead.

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2594?viewlocale=en_US

Jeremy R. Geerdes
Effective website design & development
Des Moines, IA

For more information or a project quote:
http://jgeerdes.home.mchsi.com
http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com
http://jgeerdes.wordpress.com
jgeerdes@mchsi.com

Unless otherwise noted, any price quotes contained within this  
communication are given in US dollars.

If you're in the Des Moines, IA, area, check out Debra Heights  
Wesleyan Church!

And check out my blog, Adventures in Web Development, at http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com 
  !


On Jan 21, 2009, at 10:22 AM, Ray Bowler wrote:

> Jeremy,
>
> Thanks for the tips. This is a G3 iBook.  I am not sure if it worked  
> or not because of the password. A couple of times I had a message  
> that the password was invalid although it was correct. The iBook  
> needs to use WEP and the Extreme is using WPA Personal.
>
>
> On Jan 21, 2009, at Jan 21, 20095:38 AM, Jeremy Geerdes wrote:
>
>> I've read that there can be a few issues with iBook G4's and  
>> wireless networks - namely Airport Extremes/Time Capsules -  
>> depending on a couple of things. The first thing I would check,  
>> though, is the Airport Extreme's radio mode.  To do this, open the  
>> Airport Utility on one of the computers that can see the station,  
>> select the Airport Extreme, and click the Manual Setup button.   
>> Under the Airport tab, in the Wireless section, there is a select  
>> menu for Radio Mode. Make sure that this is set to "802.11n (b/g  
>> compatible)."  If it wasn't set to that before, set it there now.   
>> If it was, then I would suggest disabling the Extreme's 802.11n  
>> support for the moment.  To do this, hold down the Option-key as  
>> you open that same select menu.  A bunch of additional modes will  
>> appear below the original four.  Select, for the moment, "802.11b  
>> only."  Save the changes, wait for the station to restart, and  
>> check to see if the iBook can see it now.  If you just set the  
>> station to "802.11b only," and the iBook sees it now, you might now  
>> be able to reset the station to "802.11n (b/g compatible)" mode.   
>> I've read that sometimes just temporarily switching the radio mode  
>> can convince the computer to find the station.
>>
>> Jeremy R. Geerdes
>> Effective website design & development
>> Des Moines, IA
>>
>> For more information or a project quote:
>> http://jgeerdes.home.mchsi.com
>> http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com
>> http://jgeerdes.wordpress.com
>> jgeerdes@mchsi.com
>>
>> Unless otherwise noted, any price quotes contained within this  
>> communication are given in US dollars.
>>
>> If you're in the Des Moines, IA, area, check out Debra Heights  
>> Wesleyan Church!
>>
>> And check out my blog, Adventures in Web Development, at http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com 
>>  !
>>
>>
>> On Jan 20, 2009, at 10:34 PM, Ray Bowler wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Over the weekend I replaced my airport base station (the flying  
>>> saucer) with a Time Capsule which uses  Airport extreme. My mini  
>>> and my wife's Mac book have extreme cards. This works fine. I also  
>>> have my wife's old iBook and when I look at the Airport in System  
>>> Profile it just says it is an Airport card. I cannot get this  
>>> iBook to connect to  the network or even recognize that it exists.  
>>> When I connect with an ethernet cable it recognizes the network  
>>> and connects.  Are the base station and the early Airport card  
>>> incompatible? Any suggestions?
>>>
>>>
>>> Ray Bowler
>>>
>>> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> DMMUG mailing list
>>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>>> DMMUG@dmmug.org
>>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> DMMUG mailing list
>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>> DMMUG@dmmug.org
>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>
> Ray Bowler
>
> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Wed Jan 21 12:20:42 2009
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Wed Jan 21 12:21:09 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Airport puzzle
In-Reply-To: <C293C52F-E281-4239-9E7D-E4B1A4E06CC2@gmail.com>
References: <69E56AE4-48CC-4287-A571-82F104D216D1@mchsi.com>
	<D983046F-F54C-466B-971E-5111396AD86C@gmail.com>
	<01CF6DA4-739C-44D3-91FA-AC45857EEF9F@mchsi.com>
	<C293C52F-E281-4239-9E7D-E4B1A4E06CC2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <28F1D0D1-1084-4DA0-B01C-85B27D50BC97@mchsi.com>

I'll check that out. I won't switch to WEP. One thing I like is the  
added security of WPA. I already have one neighbor showing up on my  
network.

On Jan 21, 2009, at Jan 21, 200910:38 AM, Jeremy Geerdes wrote:

> Yeah, that was going to be my next suggestion.  I've linked  an  
> Apple Support article that might help.  Essentially, it says to make  
> sure (a) your iBook is running OSX 10.3 or later and (b) AirPort  
> software 3.3 or later.  Apple suggests that, if your iBook does not  
> meet these requirements, you switch the Airport Extreme to use WEP  
> instead.
>
> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2594?viewlocale=en_US
>
> Jeremy R. Geerdes
> Effective website design & development
> Des Moines, IA
>
> For more information or a project quote:
> http://jgeerdes.home.mchsi.com
> http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com
> http://jgeerdes.wordpress.com
> jgeerdes@mchsi.com
>
> Unless otherwise noted, any price quotes contained within this  
> communication are given in US dollars.
>
> If you're in the Des Moines, IA, area, check out Debra Heights  
> Wesleyan Church!
>
> And check out my blog, Adventures in Web Development, at http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com 
>  !
>
>
> On Jan 21, 2009, at 10:22 AM, Ray Bowler wrote:
>
>> Jeremy,
>>
>> Thanks for the tips. This is a G3 iBook.  I am not sure if it  
>> worked or not because of the password. A couple of times I had a  
>> message that the password was invalid although it was correct. The  
>> iBook needs to use WEP and the Extreme is using WPA Personal.
>>
>>
>> On Jan 21, 2009, at Jan 21, 20095:38 AM, Jeremy Geerdes wrote:
>>
>>> I've read that there can be a few issues with iBook G4's and  
>>> wireless networks - namely Airport Extremes/Time Capsules -  
>>> depending on a couple of things. The first thing I would check,  
>>> though, is the Airport Extreme's radio mode.  To do this, open the  
>>> Airport Utility on one of the computers that can see the station,  
>>> select the Airport Extreme, and click the Manual Setup button.   
>>> Under the Airport tab, in the Wireless section, there is a select  
>>> menu for Radio Mode. Make sure that this is set to "802.11n (b/g  
>>> compatible)."  If it wasn't set to that before, set it there now.   
>>> If it was, then I would suggest disabling the Extreme's 802.11n  
>>> support for the moment.  To do this, hold down the Option-key as  
>>> you open that same select menu.  A bunch of additional modes will  
>>> appear below the original four.  Select, for the moment, "802.11b  
>>> only."  Save the changes, wait for the station to restart, and  
>>> check to see if the iBook can see it now.  If you just set the  
>>> station to "802.11b only," and the iBook sees it now, you might  
>>> now be able to reset the station to "802.11n (b/g compatible)"  
>>> mode.  I've read that sometimes just temporarily switching the  
>>> radio mode can convince the computer to find the station.
>>>
>>> Jeremy R. Geerdes
>>> Effective website design & development
>>> Des Moines, IA
>>>
>>> For more information or a project quote:
>>> http://jgeerdes.home.mchsi.com
>>> http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com
>>> http://jgeerdes.wordpress.com
>>> jgeerdes@mchsi.com
>>>
>>> Unless otherwise noted, any price quotes contained within this  
>>> communication are given in US dollars.
>>>
>>> If you're in the Des Moines, IA, area, check out Debra Heights  
>>> Wesleyan Church!
>>>
>>> And check out my blog, Adventures in Web Development, at http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com 
>>>  !
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 20, 2009, at 10:34 PM, Ray Bowler wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Over the weekend I replaced my airport base station (the flying  
>>>> saucer) with a Time Capsule which uses  Airport extreme. My mini  
>>>> and my wife's Mac book have extreme cards. This works fine. I  
>>>> also have my wife's old iBook and when I look at the Airport in  
>>>> System Profile it just says it is an Airport card. I cannot get  
>>>> this iBook to connect to  the network or even recognize that it  
>>>> exists. When I connect with an ethernet cable it recognizes the  
>>>> network and connects.  Are the base station and the early Airport  
>>>> card incompatible? Any suggestions?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ray Bowler
>>>>
>>>> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>> Ray Bowler
>>
>> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>>
>>
>>
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From victoria at journeyzing.com  Thu Jan 22 10:54:58 2009
From: victoria at journeyzing.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu Jan 22 10:56:24 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Apple User Group Bulletin for 1/20: coupons and discounts
Message-ID: <p0624082bc59e552790c7@[10.0.1.192]>

>Apple User Group Bulletin - January 20, 2009
>......................................................................
>
>CONTENTS
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>Community News - Leaders
>.......................
>
>1] - News To Use: Help for Your Group?s Locator Information
>2] - News to Use: Apple Sales Web Resources Available
>3] - Review/Demo Copy of Time to "Learn the Switch to Mac" & "Learn 
>the iPhone 3G"
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>Apple User Group Bulletin - Members
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>Community News - Members
>.......................
>
>1] - Groups With Ideas: Des Moines MUG Swaps and Recycles
>2] - Groups With Ideas: TROU Moves Beyond Basic Applications
>3] - Winter MacCamp: Saginaw Hosts Another Great Get Together
>4] - User Groups at Macworld Expo: Share Your Pics and News
>5] - Thank You: Sponsors and Volunteers
>6] - Milestones
>
>Special Offers
>.......................
>
>1] - In Your Face Viewbase: 33 Percent Discount
>2] - ThermaPAK Laptop Cooling HeatShift Pad & Bag: 25 Percent Off
>3] - Mobigrip Device Leash: 20 Percent Off
>4] - iStudio Publisher: Save $55 (US)
>5] - Live Webcast: Advanced Twitter for Business at 35 Percent Off
>6] - "Learn the Switch to Mac" & "Learn the iPhone 3G": 20 Percent Off
>7] - That?s Easy: AUG Market, Resource Blog & Vendor Discount Offers
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>COMMUNITY NEWS - LEADERS
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>1] - News To Use: Help for Your Group?s Locator Information
>........................
>
>Your User Group Ambassador has a lot of things to keep track of, but
>help is available. Your region's Apple User Group Regional Liaison has
>the information you need.
>
>Expert advice is just an email away.
>http://www.apple.com/usergroups/contact/liaisons/
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>2] - News to Use: Apple Sales Web Resources Available
>........................
>
>Ambassadors, Apple Sales Web (ASW) has opened for another great year.
>Need a preso of the products announced during the Macworld Expo Keynote
>for your next meeting? ASW has it all.
>
>Apple Sales Web
>http://sales.apple.com
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>3] - Review/Demo Copy of Time to "Learn the Switch to Mac" & "Learn 
>the iPhone 3G"
>........................
>
>"It?s About Time to Learn the Switch to Mac" reminds you of life on
>Windows and connects the dots to the Mac. The goal is to minimize the
>two to four week period of time to become familiar with using the Mac to
>just a couple hours. Your instructor teaches you what steps you went
>through to complete a task in Windows, then teaches you to perform the
>same steps on your Mac.
>
>"It?s About Time to Learn the iPhone 3G" -- the future of phones meets
>the future of learning tools. You?ll learn about every single
>application including tips and tricks only iPhone 3G experts know about.
>You?ll quickly see that this is a learning tool like no other. It?s fun,
>quick, and completely interactive.
>
>Usually $29.95 (US) boxed or $24.95 (US) downloaded version, for a
>limited time you can download either or both of these for free to demo
>to your Apple user group. To learn more, contact
>hi@ItsAboutTimeProducts.com.
>
>For a free copy, go to the web site below, then click to buy the
>download version of either product or both; next, insert ?mugpromo? in
>the discount code box and click update cart (the total should then be
>$0); and finally, click checkout after which  your download will be
>emailed to you.
>
>Discount code:
>mugpromo
>
>Download, review and demo for your group.
>http://itsabouttimeproducts.com
>
>This worldwide offer is valid through April 30, 2009.
>Limit one download per group.
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>Apple User Group Bulletin - January 20, 2009
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>COMMUNITY NEWS - MEMBERS
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>1] - Groups With Ideas: Des Moines MUG Swaps and Recycles
>........................
>
>Older technology can be a problem when it gathers dust in a closet or
>basement. It's a great opportunity for user groups to benefit their
>communities by holding swap meets or by providing information on best
>practices in recycling. The Des Moines MUG will be holding a swap meet
>on January 27, and regularly gives directions to a local company who
>recycles efficiently, ethically and inexpensively. Is your group part of
>the solution? Why not get involved in 2009.
>
>Visit DMMUG.
>http://www.dmmug.org
>
>(Thanks to ambassador and Attorney Victoria L. Herring for this news.)
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>2] - Groups With Ideas: TROU Moves Beyond Basic Applications
>........................
>
>Chicago's The Rest of US (TROU) will be part of a special Home
>Automation presentation at their local Michigan Avenue Apple Store on
>February 4. Gordon Meyer of O'Reilly's Smart Home Hacks will be the
>presenter. Best of all, this presentation is free.
>
>Be there.
>http://trou.org
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>3] - Winter MacCamp: Saginaw Hosts Another Great Get Together
>........................
>
>The Saginaw Mac User Group (SMUG) is hosting their Winter MacCamp on
>February 28. Attendees include members from Michigan's SMUG, MIAMUG and
>TMUG who will enjoy a full day (10 a.m. to 4 p.m.) of learning and
>sharing with other Mac users, ending with a raffle of great prizes.
>Shouldn't you be there too?
>
>Find out more.
>http://www.smug1.com
>
>(Thanks to Betty Larsen for this great tip.)
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>4] - User Groups at Macworld Expo: Share Your Pics and News
>........................
>
>User groups had a full week of events at Macworld Expo in San Francisco,
>starting with Monday's User Group Reception and wrapping up as Bernie
>Powell of California's NCMUG, Perry Vannoy of the Ohio NCMUG and Macbeth
>Vannoy, Rex Covington, Doug Smith,  Jeff Davis from HAAUG and MUG ONE
>President Elsa Travisano closed down the User Group Lounge.
>
>In the coming weeks look for some cool, fun and exciting pictures on the
>User Group Advisory Board web site. Check back often to see what went
>on. You're sure to recognize some familiar faces from around the world.
>
>Got some photos or MobileMe links you'd like to see featured? Send 'em
>in!
>
>Sandy Foderick
>ugbeditor@mac.com
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>5] - Thank You: Sponsors and Volunteers
>........................
>
>Every January, Macworld Expo brings things to do, tips to learn and
>friends to meet, but the week does not happen by accident. Thanks to our
>generous sponsors and the more than 80 volunteers who spent so much of
>their time to make the week so memorable.
>
>In particular, thanks to the Apple User Group Macworld '09 Planning
>team, who worked the better part of the year to ensure fun-filled
>activities and to Tom Piper who worked with our sponsors. Thanks, too,
>to Lorene Romero of NCMUG who contributed her time and effort to deliver
>the shirts used by the volunteers all week. Finally, a big thank you to
>Ilene Hoffman of MacWoburn for her wonderful Party List. User group
>events at Macworld couldn?t have happened without these people and their
>hard work.
>
>See this year?s sponsors.
>http://homepage.mac.com/ugab/mw09.html
>
>See a list of this year's volunteers.
>http://homepage.mac.com/ugab/mw09.html
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>6] - Milestones
>........................
>
>Turn on the ?Way Back? machine. This month?s milestones include groups
>whose first meeting convened as long ago as January of 1977.
>Congratulations to some of our oldest groups!
>
>1977 - Denver Apple Pi
>http://www.denverapplepi.com
>
>1978 - Washington Apple Pi
>http://www.wap.org
>
>1978 - Apple Corps of Dallas
>http://www.acd.us
>
>1978 - AppleRock (formerly Little Rock Apple Addicts)
>http://www.applerock.org
>
>1979 - Hawaii Macintosh & Apple Users? Society, Inc
>http://www.hmaus.com
>(Warm greetings to Ambassador William Gass and members of HMAUS.)
>
>1979 - Syracuse Macintosh Users Group
>http://www.iSMUG.com
>
>1984 - Corvallis Macintosh User Group
>http://www.cmug.com
>
>1984 - appleJAC Macintosh Users Group
>http://www.applejac.org
>(Congrats to Apple User Group Regional Liaison George Kopp, Apple User
>Group Advisory Board member Tom Piper and the members of apppleJAC.)
>
>1985 - Tri-Valley Macintosh Users Group
>http://www.clubtmug.com
>(Congrats to long-time ambassador Izak Mutlu and members.)
>
>1985 - The Madison Macintosh Users Group (Mad Mac)
>http://web.mac.com/madmacintosh
>
>2003 - Indianapolis Final Cut Pro User Group
>http://www.indy-fcpug.org
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>SPECIAL OFFERS - Apple User Group Bulletin - January 20, 2009
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>These User Group discounts are brought to you by the Apple User Group
>Advisory Board (special thanks to board member Tom Piper).
>
>These offers may be distributed in your print newsletter, sent to your
>member mailing list, posted to a password-protected section of your
>group website and/or posted to a bulletin board that is restricted to
>your members. If your newsletter or web site is not password protected,
>just omit the passwords and list this public URL:
>
>http://homepage.mac.com/ugab/offers.html
>
>Not a member? Join an Apple user group today to take advantage of these
>special offers.
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>1] - In Your Face Viewbase: 33 Percent Discount
>.........................
>
>Give your arm a break with the IN YOUR FACE viewbase which makes on-the-
>go movie watching fun and easy. Just download a movie to your iPhone or
>iPod touch and watch it hands-free and up close. This innovative holder
>features a flexible neck, easy secure top grip with quick release,
>adjustable swivel head, non-scratch gripping pads and hinged bottom
>clamp for flat or round surfaces.
>
>With a regular price of $29.95 (US), this exclusive user group price is
>$19.95 (US).
>
>Discount Code:
>5115
>
>Offer is available:
>http://www.inyourfaceusa.com/
>
>This worldwide offer is valid through April 30, 2009.
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>2] - ThermaPAK Laptop Cooling HeatShift Pad & Bag: 25 Percent Off
>........................
>
>ThermaPAK?s patented HeatShift Technology is a unique blend of phase
>changing material (PCM) created by research and development engineers.
>It requires no refrigeration, no laptop power (which extends battery
>life), is easy to carry (approved for airport security), and performs
>better than USB fan style products. The HeatShift Laptop bag is made of
>a high-density memory foam for strong protection and has a removable
>HeatShift Pad inside.
>
>Ranging in retail price from $27.99 (US, 13" laptop) to $34.99 (US, 17"
>laptop), this user group special takes 25 percent off. ThermaPAK?s
>Laptop Cooling HeatShift Pads and HeatShift Bags are also available at a
>discount.
>
>Coupon code:
>maccool
>
>Get your cooling pad:
>http://www.thermapak.com/products.php
>
>This worldwide offer is valid through April 30, 2009.
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>3] - Mobigrip Device Leash: 20 Percent Off
>........................
>
>Use the Mobigrip to secure your expensive, slippery handheld devices
>from falling, damage or being left behind. You can complement your
>natural grip and enjoy feelings of safety, confidence and added
>stability. Mobigrip works with all types of handheld devices for all
>ages and is a perfect solution for cell phones, PDAs, MP3s, iPods, voice
>recorders, digital cameras (some), glucose meters, TV remotes,
>navigators and more.
>
>Retail priced at $9.95 (US), this user group offer takes 20 percent off.
>Many colors are available and quality discounts too.
>
>Coupon code:
>20DGM0908AC1yXp
>
>Secure your device:
>http://www.mobigrips.com/mobigripdeviceleash.aspx
>
>This worldwide offer is valid through April 30, 2009.
>____________________________________________________________________
>
>4] - iStudio Publisher: Save $55 (US)
>.....................
>
>Introducing iStudio Publisher, the exciting new page layout program for
>home, small business and educational users. Powerful and intuitive, it
>lets you do everything from producing a flyer to designing a newsletter
>-- from creating a brochure to publishing a magazine. iStudio Publisher
>gives you all the tools you need within easy reach to design great
>looking documents.
>
>This user group special offer price is $44.99 (US) compared to the
>discounted launch price of $49.99 (US) (only available until March 5)
>and the regular price of $99.99 (US).
>
>Promotion code:
>MACWORLD
>
>Purchase here:
>http://www.istudiopublisher.com/index.php/store/
>
>This worldwide offer is valid through August 31, 2009.
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>5] - Live Webcast: Advanced Twitter for Business at 35 Percent Off
>.....................
>
>"Advanced Twitter for Business: Conversation, Community and Profit - 140
>Characters at a Time" will be featured as a Live Webcast on February 6
>at 10:00 am PST. If you're ready to go beyond dabbling with Twitter,
>join the experts at O'Reilly for this live webcast presented by Sarah
>Milstein. Learn everything you need to launch a successful Twitter
>strategy for your group. You'll learn how to use Twitter to promote your
>group, build community, find members and more.
>
>The regular price is $99 (US), but this user group discount code offer
>will get you 35 percent off.
>
>Discount code: DSUG
>
>Register and learn new business strategies.
>http://oreilly.com/go/advancedtwitter
>
>This worldwide offer is valid through February 6, 2009.
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>6] - "Learn the Switch to Mac" & "Learn the iPhone 3G": 20 Percent Off
>.....................
>
>'It's About Time to Learn the Switch to Mac' reminds you of life on
>Windows and connects the dots to the Mac. 'It's About Time to Learn the
>iPhone 3G' teaches you all about the iPhone 3G, including tips and
>tricks. You'll quickly see that this is a learning tool like no other.
>It's fun, quick and completely interactive.
>
>Usually the downloadable version is $24.95 (US); for a limited time you
>can buy either boxed or download, or both, for 20 percent off.
>
>Discount code:
>muglearn
>
>To purchase, or for more information: http://ItsAboutTimeProducts.com
>
>This worldwide offer is valid through April 30, 2009.
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>7] - That?s Easy: AUG Market, Resource Blog & Vendor Discount Offers
>.........................
>
>Looking for information on a past offer? Tom Piper of the Apple User
>Group Advisory Board, publishes a single page with all current offers,
>expiration dates and codes. Watch for intermittent special offers.
>
>Password:
>offers
>
>http://homepage.mac.com/ugab/offers/vendorcodes.htm
>.........................
>
>Be sure to subscribe to the Apple User Group Market Report podcast. The
>AUG Market Report and Resource blog are great sources for information
>about Apple user groups, vendor discounts, special events, interesting
>reviews, stimulating training and more:
>
>Apple User Group Market Report podcast:
>http://homepage.mac.com/ugab/resources.html
>
>For public information about vendor offers and more visit:
>http://homepage.mac.com/ugab/offers.html
>___________________________________________________________________
>
>Get information about activities and offers.
>http://homepage.mac.com/ugab
>......................................................................
>
>Saundra Foderick, Editor
>Apple User Group Advisory Board
>ugbeditor@mac.com
>
>Tom Piper, Vendor Relations
>Apple User Group Advisory Board
>vendorwizard@mac.com
>
>Elsa Travisano, Text and Archival Editor
>Apple User Group Advisory Board
>ugbeditor@mac.com
>
>Trish Huffman, Text Editor
>Apple User Group Advisory Board
>ugbeditor@mac.com
>
>Jeff Mosqueda, Publisher
>Apple
>usergroups@apple.com
>
>Get involved. Join a user group near you.
>http://www.apple.com/usergroups/
>
>.

-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Lawyer, Discrimination/Civil 
Rights, http://www.herringlaw.com;  Travel 
Research/Photography, http://www.JourneyZing.com; 
personal blog, 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/ 
Des Moines, Iowa
From rbowler at mchsi.com  Thu Jan 22 11:48:42 2009
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Thu Jan 22 11:49:07 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Next week meeting--swap meet
Message-ID: <AE654965-40B4-4732-BB65-A03E04CA9B97@mchsi.com>

Tuesday, January 27th:  Swap Meet
Everyone is invited to bring software, hardware or other items of  
interest to Mac users for swapping or giving away to others.  Before  
the meeting, post a general list of the items you will be bringing.

We'll also talk about future meeting topics and other topics of  
interest.

Ray Bowler

rbowler.home.mchsi.com



From rhysbowler at mchsi.com  Fri Jan 23 07:12:20 2009
From: rhysbowler at mchsi.com (rhysbowlr)
Date: Fri Jan 23 07:12:46 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Vintage Apple Computers
References: <20090108172903.AC370EA79@www.cialug.org>
Message-ID: <ECEABC5C-CE5A-4397-BE3C-0DAA2C3997E0@mchsi.com>

If anyone is interested in this contact the originator.

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Katie <kgoerne@strategicamerica.com>
> Date: January 8, 2009 11:29:03 AM CST
> To: treasurer@dmmug.org
> Subject: Vintage Apple Computers
>
>
>
> Your Name: Katie
>
> Your Email: kgoerne@strategicamerica.com
>
> Subject: Vintage Apple Computers
>
> Message: Hello Ray,
>
> My name is Katie Goerne and I received your name from Scott at the  
> Jordan Creek Apple Store. I am involved with the American  
> Advertising Federation of Des Moines and we are putting together a  
> 100 yr. Anniversary Gala for the club in March. We will be having an  
> actual event the night of March 5th followed by a month long exhibit  
> at the Polk County Heritage Gallery located in the Polk County  
> Building. Part of the exhibit, which I am in charge of, is a  
> ?homage? to Apple and their influence in advertising and printing  
> industries. I am looking for older, vintage apple models to display  
> the night of the event and through the month long exhibit. Any  
> computers donated for this event will be returned to the owners in  
> the condition they were borrowed in.
>
> Scott stated you might be of some help or know of someone that could  
> help me. If you would like me to give you a call, I can do so to  
> explain further. IF you have any questions, please let me know.
>
> Any help you could provide would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks for your time and consideration.
>
> Katie Goerne
>
>
>

From thorgrim at imaginarytower.org  Fri Jan 23 09:33:51 2009
From: thorgrim at imaginarytower.org (David McLaughlin)
Date: Fri Jan 23 09:34:20 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Font Management
Message-ID: <40F329AA-2724-42AA-993D-1E09D665717B@imaginarytower.org>

Extensis has released a free .pdf on the "Best Practices for Managing  
Fonts in Mac OS X"

http://www.extensis.com/en/downloads/document_download.jsp?docId=5600039&ref=FMGEN

for those curious about Font Management on OS X 10.3 through 10.5

Yes they are trying to sell a product but the document contains useful  
information.

David D. McLaughlin
webmaster@dmmug.org
From myztikjenz at gmail.com  Fri Jan 23 13:42:29 2009
From: myztikjenz at gmail.com (Myztik Jenz)
Date: Fri Jan 23 13:42:53 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] The Mac is 25 tomorrow... let's celebrate!
Message-ID: <bf8839000901231142j50aea702m6c45f67afc09e23d@mail.gmail.com>

If you were not aware, our computer of choice turns 25 years old
tomorrow (and finally moves out of the house and gets a job)

http://robschumacher.blogspot.com/2009/01/mac-is-25-years-old.html

So to celebrate, a few of us incredibly nerdy types (the two of us who
write code for Startly) have decided to meet up at the Royal Mile on
4th St downtown.  We plan to be there around 8pm-ish, wearing nothing
by Apple sanctioned clothing.  We encourage you to do the same.

So if you've got nothing better to do tomorrow, come meet your fellow
Mac enthusiasts and down a pint or two. Feel free to pass this invite
along to anyone you'd like, this is quite informal and impromptu.

The Royal Mile is located at 210 4th St, just off of Court Ave in
Downtown Des Moines.

http://maps.google.com/maps?client=safari&oe=UTF-8&ie=UTF8&q=210+4th+St+Des+Moines,+IA&fb=1&split=1&gl=us&cid=0,0,2295622623428213080&ll=41.586303,-93.621883&spn=0.007961,0.017402&t=h&z=16&iwloc=A

Jim
From rbowler at mchsi.com  Sat Jan 24 15:11:08 2009
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Sat Jan 24 15:11:33 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: [DesMoinesIAMetroReUseIt] OFFER: Apple IIgs Computer
	& Color Monitor - Ames
References: <glfm9d+vevs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <55E4E4B4-06C0-4B71-9AFA-F62E81F56A71@mchsi.com>

This from the Metro recycling group. If interested contact him.

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "jeffav" <JeffAV@yahoo.com>
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Mon Jan 26 13:21:03 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Mon Jan 26 13:41:45 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Don't forget about the Swap Meet meeting tomorrow night
Message-ID: <p0624081ec5a3bd811475@[10.0.1.192]>

and if you know what you might be bringing, letting the list know 
would be great.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Lawyer, Discrimination/Civil Rights, 
http://www.herringlaw.com;  Travel Research/Photography, 
http://www.JourneyZing.com;   personal blog, 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  Des Moines, Iowa
From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Mon Jan 26 18:09:19 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Mon Jan 26 18:09:50 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Upgrading from 10.4 Tiger to 10.5 Leopard best practices
Message-ID: <p0624083cc5a40128ef70@[10.0.1.192]>

My sister has a MBPro and is thinking of upgrading to Leopard.  She 
is really not into techie things [smart enough but maybe not patient 
enough] but thinks she can do it herself.  I told her I would send 
her a sort of 'best practices' summary and want to confirm my 
understanding is correct:  (1) backup [I downloaded SuperDuper so she 
can do that - the harddrive she has is a 1T so I might have her 
partition it and do a double clone just in case...(2) repair 
permissions...(3) restart...(4) archive and install [i.e., which 
option would be best?] then to bring it up to date = repair 
permissions again, run Software update [or get Combo download?]..

anything I'm forgetting...?  She could take it to a Genius Bar but if 
handled right I think she can do it herself and that might also help 
her to understand how easy, really, it is...

I think she has Entourage on her MBP but assume the OS upgrade won't 
affect things - or should I get a System Profile Report and review 
the apps etc. she has???  Thanks so much.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Lawyer, Discrimination/Civil Rights, 
http://www.herringlaw.com;  Travel Research/Photography, 
http://www.JourneyZing.com;   personal blog, 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  Des Moines, Iowa
From rbowler at mchsi.com  Mon Jan 26 20:11:30 2009
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Mon Jan 26 20:11:55 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Upgrading from 10.4 Tiger to 10.5 Leopard best practices
In-Reply-To: <p0624083cc5a40128ef70@[10.0.1.192]>
References: <p0624083cc5a40128ef70@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <03121E50-C6D2-4CD7-942D-44212FCAF01F@mchsi.com>

Victoriia,

If she has a couple of good bootable backups with SD I would so an  
erase and install and then when you restart it will offer to migrate  
from the clone and there should be few f any problems. Thi way you  
have a clean disk to start with.

A lot of people though use archive and install and are happy with it.

Isn't there a Take Control book for this?


On Jan 26, 2009, at Jan 26, 20096:09 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> My sister has a MBPro and is thinking of upgrading to Leopard.  She  
> is really not into techie things [smart enough but maybe not patient  
> enough] but thinks she can do it herself.  I told her I would send  
> her a sort of 'best practices' summary and want to confirm my  
> understanding is correct:  (1) backup [I downloaded SuperDuper so  
> she can do that - the harddrive she has is a 1T so I might have her  
> partition it and do a double clone just in case...(2) repair  
> permissions...(3) restart...(4) archive and install [i.e., which  
> option would be best?] then to bring it up to date = repair  
> permissions again, run Software update [or get Combo download?]..
>
> anything I'm forgetting...?  She could take it to a Genius Bar but  
> if handled right I think she can do it herself and that might also  
> help her to understand how easy, really, it is...
>
> I think she has Entourage on her MBP but assume the OS upgrade won't  
> affect things - or should I get a System Profile Report and review  
> the apps etc. she has???  Thanks so much.
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Lawyer, Discrimination/Civil Rights, http://www.herringlaw.com 
> ;  Travel Research/Photography, http://www.JourneyZing.com;    
> personal blog, http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  Des  
> Moines, Iowa
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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Mon Jan 26 20:14:16 2009
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Mon Jan 26 20:14:40 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Swap meet Tues. night at Impromptu Studio with refreshments
Message-ID: <DFCB3B38-4CB3-4C6A-8101-501273808980@mchsi.com>

I will be bringing an apple sauce cake for the swap meet. Will some  
kind person bring something to drink?

For directions and a map see the web site.

See  you there.

Ray Bowler

rbowler.home.mchsi.com



From scmurdock at aol.com  Mon Jan 26 20:22:00 2009
From: scmurdock at aol.com (scmurdock@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jan 26 20:23:10 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Swap meet Tues. night at Impromptu Studio with
	refreshments
In-Reply-To: <DFCB3B38-4CB3-4C6A-8101-501273808980@mchsi.com>
References: <DFCB3B38-4CB3-4C6A-8101-501273808980@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <8CB4E3D2B9AC9FC-C44-1FF9@WEBMAIL-DZ10.sysops.aol.com>

Hi Ray-------I'll bring something to drink. ? ? ?Stan Murdock


-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Bowler <rbowler@mchsi.com>
To: DMMug Dmmug <dmmug@dmmug.org>
Sent: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 8:14 pm
Subject: [DM-MUG] Swap meet Tues. night at Impromptu Studio with refreshments







I will be bringing an apple sauce cake for the swap meet. Will some kind person bring something to drink??
?

For directions and a map see the web site.?
?

See  you there.?
?

Ray Bowler?
?

rbowler.home.mchsi.com?
?

?

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From kisley at gmail.com  Mon Jan 26 22:54:59 2009
From: kisley at gmail.com (Keith Isley)
Date: Mon Jan 26 22:55:21 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Swap meet stuff
Message-ID: <5b440b5c0901262054x68a7622ekd5b849787d167f58@mail.gmail.com>

Hi! I'm a longtime Apple fan but just recently found out about the DMMUG. A
friend invited me, and we'll be coming to the meeting tomorrow night.
I have some vintage Newton stuff (a 2100, a 130, and an eMate) that I'll be
bringing to perhaps swap. I'm hoping for maybe some MacBook parts (mobo,
battery connector, hard drive), but I'm open to anything interesting. I
don't play with them anymore and maybe someone else can give them a good
home. :) There may be other stuff too.

Looking forward to meeting fellow Mac fans!

Keith
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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Tue Jan 27 06:47:52 2009
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Tue Jan 27 06:48:19 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Swap meet stuff
In-Reply-To: <5b440b5c0901262054x68a7622ekd5b849787d167f58@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5b440b5c0901262054x68a7622ekd5b849787d167f58@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <79ECAAF6-BA92-4840-8897-2FE5D06460B4@mchsi.com>

Welcome to the list. We'll look forward to seeing you tonight.

On Jan 26, 2009, at Jan 26, 200910:54 PM, Keith Isley wrote:

> Hi! I'm a longtime Apple fan but just recently found out about the  
> DMMUG. A friend invited me, and we'll be coming to the meeting  
> tomorrow night.
>
> I have some vintage Newton stuff (a 2100, a 130, and an eMate) that  
> I'll be bringing to perhaps swap. I'm hoping for maybe some MacBook  
> parts (mobo, battery connector, hard drive), but I'm open to  
> anything interesting. I don't play with them anymore and maybe  
> someone else can give them a good home. :) There may be other stuff  
> too.
>
> Looking forward to meeting fellow Mac fans!
>
> Keith
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From robolaw at aol.com  Tue Jan 27 11:23:58 2009
From: robolaw at aol.com (Michael R. Hoffmann)
Date: Tue Jan 27 11:24:24 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Your message to DMMUG awaits moderator approval
References: <mailman.881.1233076968.697.dmmug@dmmug.org>
Message-ID: <E72A81AE-5C48-45C3-8820-C744FC21769C@aol.com>



Begin forwarded message:

> From: dmmug-bounces@dmmug.org
> Date: January 27, 2009 11:22:48 AM CST
> To: mrh@hoffmannlawfirm.com
> Subject: Your message to DMMUG awaits moderator approval
>
> Your mail to 'DMMUG' with the subject
>
>     D Link 0117-ADCV
>
> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
>
> The reason it is being held:
>
>     Post by non-member to a members-only list
>
> Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
> notification of the moderator's decision.  If you would like to cancel
> this posting, please visit the following URL:
>
>     http://cialug.org/mailman/confirm/dmmug/ 
> df2a6ea7aa6a6550e971c2e1796ea3cf61962614
>

From robolaw at aol.com  Tue Jan 27 11:24:37 2009
From: robolaw at aol.com (Michael R. Hoffmann)
Date: Tue Jan 27 11:25:05 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: D Link 0117-ADCV
References: <9DD6A3D1-7FAA-4176-AEC2-5192E122E174@hoffmannlawfirm.com>
Message-ID: <4C50539B-E161-42F6-BA44-6F79ABB9580C@aol.com>



Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Michael R. Hoffmann" <mrh@hoffmannlawfirm.com>
> Date: January 27, 2009 11:22:24 AM CST
> To: Des Moines Mac Users Group <dmmug@dmmug.org>
> Subject: D Link 0117-ADCV
>
> Speaking of vintage equipment. Anyone have one for sale or trade?
>
> Very truly yours,
> Michael R. Hoffmann
> Hoffmann Law Firm, P.C.
> 515-270-8899
> www.iowaworkcomp.com
>
> NOTICE: This e-mail (including any attachments) is covered by the  
> electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 USC ??2510-2521, is  
> confidential and may contain attorney-client materials and/or  
> attorney work product, legally privileged and protected from  
> disclosure. This e-mail is intended for the addressee named above.  
> If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that  
> any retention, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this  
> communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender  
> advising that you have received this message in error, then delete  
> it and all copies of it. Thank you.
>
>
>
>
From rbowler at mchsi.com  Tue Jan 27 12:31:32 2009
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Tue Jan 27 12:31:56 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Your message to DMMUG awaits moderator approval
In-Reply-To: <E72A81AE-5C48-45C3-8820-C744FC21769C@aol.com>
References: <mailman.881.1233076968.697.dmmug@dmmug.org>
	<E72A81AE-5C48-45C3-8820-C744FC21769C@aol.com>
Message-ID: <7CFCDD53-0359-4294-839B-4FB132317CB1@mchsi.com>

It posted just a few minutes ago. Sorry.

You might want to avoid this problem by going to <www.dmmug.org> and  
in the lower right hand corner is a link to joining the list.

On Jan 27, 2009, at Jan 27, 200911:23 AM, Michael R. Hoffmann wrote:

>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: dmmug-bounces@dmmug.org
>> Date: January 27, 2009 11:22:48 AM CST
>> To: mrh@hoffmannlawfirm.com
>> Subject: Your message to DMMUG awaits moderator approval
>>
>> Your mail to 'DMMUG' with the subject
>>
>>    D Link 0117-ADCV
>>
>> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
>>
>> The reason it is being held:
>>
>>    Post by non-member to a members-only list
>>
>> Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
>> notification of the moderator's decision.  If you would like to  
>> cancel
>> this posting, please visit the following URL:
>>
>>    http://cialug.org/mailman/confirm/dmmug/df2a6ea7aa6a6550e971c2e1796ea3cf61962614
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug

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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Tue Jan 27 12:40:32 2009
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Tue Jan 27 12:40:56 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] swap meet and tables
Message-ID: <C10EAC77-7AC4-42F4-9816-36BE0B118FF1@mchsi.com>

In case you have not thought about it there is a lot of space at  
Impromtu by not many tables. It might be wise to bring a card table or  
other folding table for our stuff. If you don't then there is a large  
table at the back but I would suggest bringing something to put  
underneath your stuff so as not to scratch the finish.

Ray Bowler

rbowler.home.mchsi.com



From ka_klick at mac.com  Tue Jan 27 13:12:54 2009
From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker)
Date: Tue Jan 27 13:13:29 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Your message to DMMUG awaits moderator approval
In-Reply-To: <7CFCDD53-0359-4294-839B-4FB132317CB1@mchsi.com>
References: <mailman.881.1233076968.697.dmmug@dmmug.org>
	<E72A81AE-5C48-45C3-8820-C744FC21769C@aol.com>
	<7CFCDD53-0359-4294-839B-4FB132317CB1@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <E548BB55-DAA4-46AE-9247-51FDE440A777@mac.com>

The easiest way to avoid this is to subscribe all possible email  
addresses you might send from, but set them all (except 1) to "no  
mail". So if you slip and send from the wrong account it still gets  
through.



On Jan 27, 2009, at 12:31 PM, Ray Bowler wrote:
> It posted just a few minutes ago. Sorry.
>
> You might want to avoid this problem by going to <www.dmmug.org> and  
> in the lower right hand corner is a link to joining the list.
>
> On Jan 27, 2009, at Jan 27, 200911:23 AM, Michael R. Hoffmann wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>>> From: dmmug-bounces@dmmug.org
>>> Date: January 27, 2009 11:22:48 AM CST
>>> To: mrh@hoffmannlawfirm.com
>>> Subject: Your message to DMMUG awaits moderator approval
>>>
>>> Your mail to 'DMMUG' with the subject
>>>
>>>   D Link 0117-ADCV
>>>
>>> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
>>>
>>> The reason it is being held:
>>>
>>>   Post by non-member to a members-only list
>>>
>>> Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
>>> notification of the moderator's decision.  If you would like to  
>>> cancel
>>> this posting, please visit the following URL:
>>>
>>>   http://cialug.org/mailman/confirm/dmmug/df2a6ea7aa6a6550e971c2e1796ea3cf61962614
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>> DMMUG@dmmug.org
>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>
> Ray Bowler
>
> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>
>
>
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--
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Singer/Songwriter
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http://ka-klick.com
http://twitter.com/ka_klick <-- Twitter Feed



From scmurdock at aol.com  Tue Jan 27 14:58:18 2009
From: scmurdock at aol.com (Stanley Murdock)
Date: Tue Jan 27 14:59:16 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Your message to DMMUG awaits moderator approval
In-Reply-To: <E548BB55-DAA4-46AE-9247-51FDE440A777@mac.com>
References: <mailman.881.1233076968.697.dmmug@dmmug.org>
	<E72A81AE-5C48-45C3-8820-C744FC21769C@aol.com>
	<7CFCDD53-0359-4294-839B-4FB132317CB1@mchsi.com>
	<E548BB55-DAA4-46AE-9247-51FDE440A777@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CA7946D0-15D6-4D7B-84BD-53503B8BB516@aol.com>

Bryan.......I thought I was a member already.  When I clicked on the  
link to join, it kept telling me my email address was incomplete, but  
it is the one I have used for years.  Maybe we can visit tonight.      
Stan
On Jan 27, 2009, at 1:12 PM, Bryan Baker wrote:

> The easiest way to avoid this is to subscribe all possible email  
> addresses you might send from, but set them all (except 1) to "no  
> mail". So if you slip and send from the wrong account it still gets  
> through.
>
>
>
> On Jan 27, 2009, at 12:31 PM, Ray Bowler wrote:
>> It posted just a few minutes ago. Sorry.
>>
>> You might want to avoid this problem by going to <www.dmmug.org>  
>> and in the lower right hand corner is a link to joining the list.
>>
>> On Jan 27, 2009, at Jan 27, 200911:23 AM, Michael R. Hoffmann wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>>> From: dmmug-bounces@dmmug.org
>>>> Date: January 27, 2009 11:22:48 AM CST
>>>> To: mrh@hoffmannlawfirm.com
>>>> Subject: Your message to DMMUG awaits moderator approval
>>>>
>>>> Your mail to 'DMMUG' with the subject
>>>>
>>>>   D Link 0117-ADCV
>>>>
>>>> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
>>>>
>>>> The reason it is being held:
>>>>
>>>>   Post by non-member to a members-only list
>>>>
>>>> Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
>>>> notification of the moderator's decision.  If you would like to  
>>>> cancel
>>>> this posting, please visit the following URL:
>>>>
>>>>   http://cialug.org/mailman/confirm/dmmug/ 
>>>> df2a6ea7aa6a6550e971c2e1796ea3cf61962614
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>>> DMMUG@dmmug.org
>>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>>
>> Ray Bowler
>>
>> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>>
>>
>>
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>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
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>
> --
> Bryan "ka-klick" Baker
> Singer/Songwriter
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> http://ka-klick.com
> http://twitter.com/ka_klick <-- Twitter Feed
>
>
>
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Tue Jan 27 14:46:23 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue Jan 27 15:05:18 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] I'm bringing
Message-ID: <p06240802c5a51f0f995a@[10.0.1.192]>

magazines [MacLife], floppies, software, manuals for software with 
software, any cables and other things I can find which I'm 
comfortable I don't need. Timeslips III for the Mac;  iWork06 w. 
pamphlets and license;  various handbooks etc..   A small flash drive 
missing its top but fine otherwise....and whatever else I can find 
that people might be interested in...mostly pre OSX and definitely 
pre 2007
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Lawyer, Discrimination/Civil Rights, 
http://www.herringlaw.com;  Travel Research/Photography, 
http://www.JourneyZing.com;   personal blog, 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  Des Moines, Iowa
From ka_klick at mac.com  Tue Jan 27 16:04:17 2009
From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker)
Date: Tue Jan 27 16:04:46 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Your message to DMMUG awaits moderator approval
In-Reply-To: <CA7946D0-15D6-4D7B-84BD-53503B8BB516@aol.com>
References: <mailman.881.1233076968.697.dmmug@dmmug.org>
	<E72A81AE-5C48-45C3-8820-C744FC21769C@aol.com>
	<7CFCDD53-0359-4294-839B-4FB132317CB1@mchsi.com>
	<E548BB55-DAA4-46AE-9247-51FDE440A777@mac.com>
	<CA7946D0-15D6-4D7B-84BD-53503B8BB516@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BFBD92BA-5D67-4A11-9507-4E77135C3CF2@mac.com>

OK, But I see 3 separate email accounts in play here:

According to the header of the "bounce" message the original was sent  
via:

mrh@hoffmannlawfirm.com

it was forwarded back to the list via:

robolaw@aol.com

and this last reply was from:

scmurdock@aol.com


So, it appears that the one that isn't somehow already subscribed here  
would be:

mrh@hoffmannlawfirm.com

I haven't been an active "list-mom" for a while now, I was just  
offering general advice on how to deal with having lots of accounts  
you might want to post from (or accidentally post from) - I have way  
too many addresses myself.


On Jan 27, 2009, at 2:58 PM, Stanley Murdock wrote:
> Bryan.......I thought I was a member already.  When I clicked on the  
> link to join, it kept telling me my email address was incomplete,  
> but it is the one I have used for years.  Maybe we can visit  
> tonight.     Stan
> On Jan 27, 2009, at 1:12 PM, Bryan Baker wrote:
>
>> The easiest way to avoid this is to subscribe all possible email  
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>> through.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 27, 2009, at 12:31 PM, Ray Bowler wrote:
>>> It posted just a few minutes ago. Sorry.
>>>
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>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>
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>>>>> To: mrh@hoffmannlawfirm.com
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>>>>>
>>>>> Your mail to 'DMMUG' with the subject
>>>>>
>>>>>  D Link 0117-ADCV
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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Tue Jan 27 16:37:27 2009
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Tue Jan 27 16:37:52 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Your message to DMMUG awaits moderator approval
In-Reply-To: <E548BB55-DAA4-46AE-9247-51FDE440A777@mac.com>
References: <mailman.881.1233076968.697.dmmug@dmmug.org>
	<E72A81AE-5C48-45C3-8820-C744FC21769C@aol.com>
	<7CFCDD53-0359-4294-839B-4FB132317CB1@mchsi.com>
	<E548BB55-DAA4-46AE-9247-51FDE440A777@mac.com>
Message-ID: <AD5B9AE5-4A94-46F4-BC7E-C56FFEB65468@mchsi.com>

Thanks for the tip Brian. It happens occasionally.


On Jan 27, 2009, at Jan 27, 20091:12 PM, Bryan Baker wrote:

> The easiest way to avoid this is to subscribe all possible email  
> addresses you might send from, but set them all (except 1) to "no  
> mail". So if you slip and send from the wrong account it still gets  
> through.
>
>
>
> On Jan 27, 2009, at 12:31 PM, Ray Bowler wrote:
>> It posted just a few minutes ago. Sorry.
>>
>> You might want to avoid this problem by going to <www.dmmug.org>  
>> and in the lower right hand corner is a link to joining the list.
>>
>> On Jan 27, 2009, at Jan 27, 200911:23 AM, Michael R. Hoffmann wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>>> From: dmmug-bounces@dmmug.org
>>>> Date: January 27, 2009 11:22:48 AM CST
>>>> To: mrh@hoffmannlawfirm.com
>>>> Subject: Your message to DMMUG awaits moderator approval
>>>>
>>>> Your mail to 'DMMUG' with the subject
>>>>
>>>>  D Link 0117-ADCV
>>>>
>>>> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
>>>>
>>>> The reason it is being held:
>>>>
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>>>> notification of the moderator's decision.  If you would like to  
>>>> cancel
>>>> this posting, please visit the following URL:
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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Tue Jan 27 16:47:58 2009
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Tue Jan 27 16:48:22 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Attention: Meeting location--Impromtu Studio
Message-ID: <6F581A99-8A77-411E-9CBC-FEA7B0C5B8B8@mchsi.com>

In case you haven't been to a meeting recently I want to remind you  
that the meeting location is Impromtu Studio. It is across from the  
Science Center in Downtown Des Moines. See the map on the website.

Ray Bowler

rbowler.home.mchsi.com



From ka_klick at mac.com  Tue Jan 27 16:55:40 2009
From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker)
Date: Tue Jan 27 16:56:09 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Attention: Meeting location--Impromtu Studio
In-Reply-To: <6F581A99-8A77-411E-9CBC-FEA7B0C5B8B8@mchsi.com>
References: <6F581A99-8A77-411E-9CBC-FEA7B0C5B8B8@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <743EC885-0444-4F75-A7C5-F17487D9BAF5@mac.com>

Important note: that's Across the railroad tracks from the Science  
Center. It's a big ol' warehouse like space and the lower floor is a  
used office furniture shop. Took me a while the first time to find it.

On Jan 27, 2009, at 4:47 PM, Ray Bowler wrote:
> In case you haven't been to a meeting recently I want to remind you  
> that the meeting location is Impromtu Studio. It is across from the  
> Science Center in Downtown Des Moines. See the map on the website.
>
> Ray Bowler
>
> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>
>
>
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http://twitter.com/ka_klick <-- Twitter Feed



From jrgeerdes at gmail.com  Tue Jan 27 22:29:14 2009
From: jrgeerdes at gmail.com (Jeremy Geerdes)
Date: Tue Jan 27 22:29:42 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] thanks
Message-ID: <DAD0C5DE-7E7B-4693-B5A7-D9CDD3584111@gmail.com>

Just a note to say thanks for a great meeting tonight. I had a great  
time!

Jeremy R. Geerdes
Effective website design & development
Des Moines, IA

For more information or a project quote:
http://jgeerdes.home.mchsi.com
http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com
http://jgeerdes.wordpress.com
jgeerdes@mchsi.com

Unless otherwise noted, any price quotes contained within this  
communication are given in US dollars.

If you're in the Des Moines, IA, area, check out Debra Heights  
Wesleyan Church!

And check out my blog, Adventures in Web Development, at http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com 
  !


From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Wed Jan 28 03:45:15 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Wed Jan 28 03:45:50 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] thanks
In-Reply-To: <DAD0C5DE-7E7B-4693-B5A7-D9CDD3584111@gmail.com>
References: <DAD0C5DE-7E7B-4693-B5A7-D9CDD3584111@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06240808c5a5d8a65ee8@[10.0.1.192]>

Thanks for all who came.

We will keep meeting at Impromptu Studios [details on DMMUG site] 
until further notice...so far we've been good guests and they seem to 
be willing to host the group.    Remember that it's in a warehouse 
building just south of MLK Parkway [go in front door and up stairs to 
2nd level Studios] - easy to get to and parking is free.

Thanks to those who brought liquids and cake...

Next meeting topic?  There may be a sufficient number of people with 
iPod Touches or iPhones to do a meeting discussing the various 
applications.  And how best to use the Touch/iPhone so you don't get 
lost in all those applications [i.e., organization?] -- it'd be best 
to do some sort of panel or roundtable with several people discussing 
what they have and how they use it and just having a general 
discussion.

Any other thoughts?

We also need to think ahead for other meeting topics, so feel free to 
contribute ideas.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Lawyer, Discrimination/Civil Rights, 
http://www.herringlaw.com;  Travel Research/Photography, 
http://www.JourneyZing.com;   personal blog, 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  Des Moines, Iowa
From thorgrim at imaginarytower.org  Wed Jan 28 09:29:14 2009
From: thorgrim at imaginarytower.org (David McLaughlin)
Date: Wed Jan 28 09:29:50 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Seagate drive issues
Message-ID: <9747F858-F7D2-4FCB-AA26-BD6A5A82EE4B@imaginarytower.org>

Here are a few  links about the problem

Two from Seagate:


http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/support/downloads/other_downloads/cuda-fw
http://seagate.custkb.com/seagate/crm/selfservice/search.jsp?DocId=207931


And one from MacInTouch talking about the problem:


http://www.macintouch.com/readerreports/harddrives/index.html


And a Slashdot article:


http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1098793&cid=26542735


Seagate disks have been my drives of choice for years, I'm not sure  
what to think at this point.


David D. McLaughlin
webmaster@dmmug.org
From jonsharyl at prairieinet.net  Wed Jan 28 09:41:27 2009
From: jonsharyl at prairieinet.net (Jon Engelhardt)
Date: Wed Jan 28 09:41:54 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Keyboard question
Message-ID: <9BE06657-ACF8-4354-BD1D-9788F27F9073@prairieinet.net>

We are ready to update our keyboard for our iMac, too many cookie  
crumbs and sticky keys but not bad for 8 years of daily use.  Any  
suggestions?

Thanks.

Jon
From jon at mac-consultant.com  Wed Jan 28 09:48:35 2009
From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Wed Jan 28 09:48:59 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Keyboard question
In-Reply-To: <9BE06657-ACF8-4354-BD1D-9788F27F9073@prairieinet.net>
References: <9BE06657-ACF8-4354-BD1D-9788F27F9073@prairieinet.net>
Message-ID: <ACCFCA72-8027-49D9-891F-8A5F9DF93875@mac-consultant.com>

The aluminum Apple keyboards are very nice.


On Jan 28, 2009, at 9:41 AM, Jon Engelhardt wrote:

> We are ready to update our keyboard for our iMac, too many cookie  
> crumbs and sticky keys but not bad for 8 years of daily use.  Any  
> suggestions?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jon
> _______________________________________________
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From jrearick at bobbis.net  Wed Jan 28 09:57:59 2009
From: jrearick at bobbis.net (John Rearick)
Date: Wed Jan 28 09:58:26 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Keyboard question
In-Reply-To: <ACCFCA72-8027-49D9-891F-8A5F9DF93875@mac-consultant.com>
References: <9BE06657-ACF8-4354-BD1D-9788F27F9073@prairieinet.net>
	<ACCFCA72-8027-49D9-891F-8A5F9DF93875@mac-consultant.com>
Message-ID: <D27D71AA-EBD5-4B66-A98C-70D95BF3D48F@bobbis.net>

One thing to keep in mind about the Apple aluminum keyboard is that  
there is no number pad on the wireless version (bluetooth).  The wired  
(USB) aluminum keyboard is a full keyboard with number pad.

I have been happy with the previous revision of Apple's keyboards  
(white, full-sized).  The previous revision has the same layout with  
number pad for wired and wireless.  There are also third party  
keyboards that I haven't used.

John


On Jan 28, 2009, at 9:48 AM, Jon Thompson wrote:

> The aluminum Apple keyboards are very nice.
>
>
> On Jan 28, 2009, at 9:41 AM, Jon Engelhardt wrote:
>
>> We are ready to update our keyboard for our iMac, too many cookie  
>> crumbs and sticky keys but not bad for 8 years of daily use.  Any  
>> suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Jon
>> _______________________________________________
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From cwsmith7 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 28 10:00:59 2009
From: cwsmith7 at gmail.com (CW Smith)
Date: Wed Jan 28 10:01:27 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Seagate drive issues
In-Reply-To: <9747F858-F7D2-4FCB-AA26-BD6A5A82EE4B@imaginarytower.org>
References: <9747F858-F7D2-4FCB-AA26-BD6A5A82EE4B@imaginarytower.org>
Message-ID: <F736F701-076C-4416-9F7B-E0F644782CF3@gmail.com>

That sounds like a total mess. The lesson here: don't let management  
make engineering decisions.

Hopefully a real, permanent fix will come down the pike soon.

Peace,
CW

------------------------------------------------

CW Smith
guitar, bass, percussion, Macintosh

cwsmith7@gmail.com

------------------------------------------------




On Jan 28, 2009, at 9:29 AM, David McLaughlin wrote:

> Here are a few  links about the problem
>
> Two from Seagate:
>
>
> http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/support/downloads/other_downloads/cuda-fw
> http://seagate.custkb.com/seagate/crm/selfservice/search.jsp?DocId=207931
>
>
> And one from MacInTouch talking about the problem:
>
>
> http://www.macintouch.com/readerreports/harddrives/index.html
>
>
> And a Slashdot article:
>
>
> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1098793&cid=26542735
>
>
> Seagate disks have been my drives of choice for years, I'm not sure  
> what to think at this point.
>
>
> David D. McLaughlin
> webmaster@dmmug.org
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> DMMUG@dmmug.org
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From cwsmith7 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 28 10:03:21 2009
From: cwsmith7 at gmail.com (CW Smith)
Date: Wed Jan 28 10:03:50 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Keyboard question
In-Reply-To: <9BE06657-ACF8-4354-BD1D-9788F27F9073@prairieinet.net>
References: <9BE06657-ACF8-4354-BD1D-9788F27F9073@prairieinet.net>
Message-ID: <FD8781D6-06F2-4F63-8420-55FAC3D3C15A@gmail.com>

I've had good luck with Macally keyboards, but really any USB keyboard  
should work fine.

You may (very likely) need to use your Keybard & Mouse preference  
panel to swap the Command (Apple) and Option keys if you use a non- 
Apple keyboard.

Peace,
CW

------------------------------------------------

CW Smith
guitar, bass, percussion, Macintosh

cwsmith7@gmail.com

------------------------------------------------




On Jan 28, 2009, at 9:41 AM, Jon Engelhardt wrote:

> We are ready to update our keyboard for our iMac, too many cookie  
> crumbs and sticky keys but not bad for 8 years of daily use.  Any  
> suggestions?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jon
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
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From robolaw at aol.com  Wed Jan 28 10:15:55 2009
From: robolaw at aol.com (Michael R. Hoffmann)
Date: Wed Jan 28 10:16:53 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Keyboard question
In-Reply-To: <FD8781D6-06F2-4F63-8420-55FAC3D3C15A@gmail.com>
References: <9BE06657-ACF8-4354-BD1D-9788F27F9073@prairieinet.net>
	<FD8781D6-06F2-4F63-8420-55FAC3D3C15A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C384C444-2241-471B-8F12-5BFACC8E346A@aol.com>

CW

True for USB keyboards that say PC only too? Or can we use them as well?

I would like to get a lighted USB keyboard but from what I've seen on  
line, understand there are none for Mac's.

Mike
On Jan 28, 2009, at 10:03 AM, CW Smith wrote:

> I've had good luck with Macally keyboards, but really any USB  
> keyboard should work fine.
>
> You may (very likely) need to use your Keybard & Mouse preference  
> panel to swap the Command (Apple) and Option keys if you use a non- 
> Apple keyboard.
>
> Peace,
> CW
>
> ------------------------------------------------
>
> CW Smith
> guitar, bass, percussion, Macintosh
>
> cwsmith7@gmail.com
>
> ------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 28, 2009, at 9:41 AM, Jon Engelhardt wrote:
>
>> We are ready to update our keyboard for our iMac, too many cookie  
>> crumbs and sticky keys but not bad for 8 years of daily use.  Any  
>> suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Jon
>> _______________________________________________
>> DMMUG mailing list
>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>> DMMUG@dmmug.org
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>
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From jon at mac-consultant.com  Wed Jan 28 10:33:44 2009
From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Wed Jan 28 10:34:07 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Keyboard question
In-Reply-To: <FD8781D6-06F2-4F63-8420-55FAC3D3C15A@gmail.com>
References: <9BE06657-ACF8-4354-BD1D-9788F27F9073@prairieinet.net>
	<FD8781D6-06F2-4F63-8420-55FAC3D3C15A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <220C0383-63A9-441F-AC85-5C792F381C60@mac-consultant.com>

Actually, the Mac OS is smart enough with a non Apple keyboard it asks  
you to press certain keys, then identifies the keyboard and assigns  
the keys properly for a standard Mac layout.

-- 

Jon Thompson

Bass, Trout,
On Jan 28, 2009, at 10:03 AM, CW Smith wrote:

> I've had good luck with Macally keyboards, but really any USB  
> keyboard should work fine.
>
> You may (very likely) need to use your Keybard & Mouse preference  
> panel to swap the Command (Apple) and Option keys if you use a non- 
> Apple keyboard.
>
> Peace,
> CW
>
> ------------------------------------------------
>
> CW Smith
> guitar, bass, percussion, Macintosh
>
> cwsmith7@gmail.com
>
> ------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 28, 2009, at 9:41 AM, Jon Engelhardt wrote:
>
>> We are ready to update our keyboard for our iMac, too many cookie  
>> crumbs and sticky keys but not bad for 8 years of daily use.  Any  
>> suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Jon
>> _______________________________________________
>> DMMUG mailing list
>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>> DMMUG@dmmug.org
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>
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From cwsmith7 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 28 10:50:56 2009
From: cwsmith7 at gmail.com (CW Smith)
Date: Wed Jan 28 10:51:25 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Keyboard question
In-Reply-To: <C384C444-2241-471B-8F12-5BFACC8E346A@aol.com>
References: <9BE06657-ACF8-4354-BD1D-9788F27F9073@prairieinet.net>
	<FD8781D6-06F2-4F63-8420-55FAC3D3C15A@gmail.com>
	<C384C444-2241-471B-8F12-5BFACC8E346A@aol.com>
Message-ID: <2B603952-B753-4C60-8C4E-19277E0C20A1@gmail.com>

Mike:

I'm using a Saitek USB keyboard on my Power Mac G5. It has a blue/red/ 
purple backlit keyboard. The "media keys" for volume, previous track,  
next track, etc., don't work on the Mac, but the rest of the keyboard  
works as I might expect. I did have to swap the Command and Option keys.

I would suspect that most USB keyboards will behave similarly: that  
basic keyboard functions behave normally, but extra "media keys"  
require Windows.

I would also suspect, as I do with most peripherals, that companies  
don't say their products are Mac compatible because it's far too  
difficult for them to hook up to one and see that it works. ;)

I've often mused that FireWire devices have the FireWire logo on them  
(for which they should be paying a license fee to Apple), or that  
other devices will have a QuickTime logo on them (also should be  
licensed by Apple), but there's often no Mac support. Frustrating,  
isn't it?

Peace,
CW

------------------------------------------------

CW Smith
guitar, bass, percussion, Macintosh

cwsmith7@gmail.com

------------------------------------------------




On Jan 28, 2009, at 10:15 AM, Michael R. Hoffmann wrote:

> CW
>
> True for USB keyboards that say PC only too? Or can we use them as  
> well?
>
> I would like to get a lighted USB keyboard but from what I've seen  
> on line, understand there are none for Mac's.
>
> Mike
> On Jan 28, 2009, at 10:03 AM, CW Smith wrote:
>
>> I've had good luck with Macally keyboards, but really any USB  
>> keyboard should work fine.
>>
>> You may (very likely) need to use your Keybard & Mouse preference  
>> panel to swap the Command (Apple) and Option keys if you use a non- 
>> Apple keyboard.
>>
>> Peace,
>> CW
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------
>>
>> CW Smith
>> guitar, bass, percussion, Macintosh
>>
>> cwsmith7@gmail.com
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 28, 2009, at 9:41 AM, Jon Engelhardt wrote:
>>
>>> We are ready to update our keyboard for our iMac, too many cookie  
>>> crumbs and sticky keys but not bad for 8 years of daily use.  Any  
>>> suggestions?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Jon
>>> _______________________________________________
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From studias at msn.com  Wed Jan 28 15:08:32 2009
From: studias at msn.com (Geoffrey Stevens)
Date: Wed Jan 28 15:08:57 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] rain check...
Message-ID: <BAY102-W25F09E7063F52AEDA94B24A8C80@phx.gbl>








Howdy,
I did not make it to our Swap Meet meeting last night - I had to go to my XHTML class.
I hope you all had a successful enjoyable time.

I had for the Swap Meet a rain check coupon from TARGET good till 2/17/09 for:

Western Digital MY BOOK 500GB USB External Hard Drive
reg $119.99
at 36% off - $77.77

It is yours if you want.

Geoff Stevens
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From homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net  Thu Jan 29 14:30:29 2009
From: homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net (Sharalyn)
Date: Thu Jan 29 14:30:56 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Keyboard question
In-Reply-To: <D27D71AA-EBD5-4B66-A98C-70D95BF3D48F@bobbis.net>
Message-ID: <C5A76E05.6288%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>

I prefer the wireless keyboard to the white wired one because the keys are
easier to push, but if this is the route you go, be sure and get a cover for
it as there isn't any way a user can clean it if crumbs, etc. get under the
keys. Mine is in the shop right now for that very problem and as cleaaning
is not covered by warranty, Apple encourged me to not think in terms of
trying to take it apart to clean it myself.


On 1/28/09 9:57 AM, "John Rearick" <jrearick@bobbis.net> wrote:

> One thing to keep in mind about the Apple aluminum keyboard is that
> there is no number pad on the wireless version (bluetooth).  The wired
> (USB) aluminum keyboard is a full keyboard with number pad.
> 
> I have been happy with the previous revision of Apple's keyboards
> (white, full-sized).  The previous revision has the same layout with
> number pad for wired and wireless.  There are also third party
> keyboards that I haven't used.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> On Jan 28, 2009, at 9:48 AM, Jon Thompson wrote:
> 
>> The aluminum Apple keyboards are very nice.
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 28, 2009, at 9:41 AM, Jon Engelhardt wrote:
>> 
>>> We are ready to update our keyboard for our iMac, too many cookie
>>> crumbs and sticky keys but not bad for 8 years of daily use.  Any
>>> suggestions?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Jon
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From jonsharyl at prairieinet.net  Thu Jan 29 14:37:10 2009
From: jonsharyl at prairieinet.net (Jon Engelhardt)
Date: Thu Jan 29 14:37:37 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Keyboard question
In-Reply-To: <C5A76E05.6288%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>
References: <C5A76E05.6288%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>
Message-ID: <B9C16422-7DE3-4F6D-A206-DE315F602730@prairieinet.net>

I did stop at the Apple store yesterday and picked up the wired  
version, I already like it much better, seems like a good value for  
$50!  Thanks everyone for you advice and I'm going to try harder to  
keep coffee and the occasional cookie away.
Jon
On Jan 29, 2009, at 2:30 PM, Sharalyn wrote:

> I prefer the wireless keyboard to the white wired one because the  
> keys are
> easier to push, but if this is the route you go, be sure and get a  
> cover for
> it as there isn't any way a user can clean it if crumbs, etc. get  
> under the
> keys. Mine is in the shop right now for that very problem and as  
> cleaaning
> is not covered by warranty, Apple encourged me to not think in  
> terms of
> trying to take it apart to clean it myself.
>
>
> On 1/28/09 9:57 AM, "John Rearick" <jrearick@bobbis.net> wrote:
>
>> One thing to keep in mind about the Apple aluminum keyboard is that
>> there is no number pad on the wireless version (bluetooth).  The  
>> wired
>> (USB) aluminum keyboard is a full keyboard with number pad.
>>
>> I have been happy with the previous revision of Apple's keyboards
>> (white, full-sized).  The previous revision has the same layout with
>> number pad for wired and wireless.  There are also third party
>> keyboards that I haven't used.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> On Jan 28, 2009, at 9:48 AM, Jon Thompson wrote:
>>
>>> The aluminum Apple keyboards are very nice.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 28, 2009, at 9:41 AM, Jon Engelhardt wrote:
>>>
>>>> We are ready to update our keyboard for our iMac, too many cookie
>>>> crumbs and sticky keys but not bad for 8 years of daily use.  Any
>>>> suggestions?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Jon
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> DMMUG mailing list
>>>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>>>> DMMUG@dmmug.org
>>>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>>>
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Thu Jan 29 14:54:54 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu Jan 29 14:56:14 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Internal Hard Drives shopping
Message-ID: <p06240825c5a7c7f55fa9@[10.0.1.192]>

I sent back the Seagates and am now looking at Hitachi 1TB drives 
[Desk, Ultra, etc Star].  On pricegrabber.com I found four, all 1TB, 
3 of which had 4* reviews so I'd probably at least start there. 
All  three are ATA-300, 7200RPM, 32mb buffer..they each have 
different part numbers.

How the heck does one, when these specs are all the same, decide 
whether 3 seemingly equivalent drives, all with 4* ratings, are 
different?  And why the price differential?

The Ultrastar is more expensive but it says it is for enterprise use 
and has a 5 year warranty
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Lawyer, Discrimination/Civil Rights, 
http://www.herringlaw.com;  Travel Research/Photography, 
http://www.JourneyZing.com;   personal blog, 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  Des Moines, Iowa
From newz at bearfruit.org  Thu Jan 29 15:10:02 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Thu Jan 29 15:10:26 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Internal Hard Drives shopping
In-Reply-To: <p06240825c5a7c7f55fa9@10.0.1.192>
References: <p06240825c5a7c7f55fa9@10.0.1.192>
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080901291310q73982f95o479027b550ee9f07@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Victoria L. Herring <VLH@herringlaw.com> wrote:
> I sent back the Seagates and am now looking at Hitachi 1TB drives [Desk,
> Ultra, etc Star].  On pricegrabber.com I found four, all 1TB, 3 of which had
> 4* reviews so I'd probably at least start there. All  three are ATA-300,
> 7200RPM, 32mb buffer..they each have different part numbers.
>
> How the heck does one, when these specs are all the same, decide whether 3
> seemingly equivalent drives, all with 4* ratings, are different?  And why
> the price differential?
>
> The Ultrastar is more expensive but it says it is for enterprise use and has
> a 5 year warranty

There are two things that are not easily measured by stats. I'm sorry
that I haven't used the Hitatchi drives in a while so I'm not up on
which models to pick, but here are the two things you're missing:

MTBF: This is a rating showing how many hours of user the drive is
expected to work before failing. Mean Time Between Failure. Enterprise
drives are meant for servers and workstations that need to be
resilient and be in constant use 24 hours a day 7 days a week. They
have more durable components and have more metal in them (which allows
them to spread heat out).

Firmware: It's possible that this website where you are shopping has
made a good buy and can offer three drives which normally would have a
price difference for the same price. Often times there is a consumer
drive meant to be sold inexpensively and then a performance model
which may differ only in the firmware. One notable feature you often
get in the performance line is "NCQ" which can make a dramatic
difference in speed by optimizing the order in which data is written
the drive.  If you're into computer science NCQ is a fascinating
subject. Often times the inexpensive or "personal/home use" drives are
optimized for quiet operation instead of maximum performance. Because
the parts are the same and only the firmware differs it's not too
surprising to find the drives for the same price. It actually kind of
irritates me when there's an "artificial markup" in these situations.

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
From yanik at mac.com  Thu Jan 29 20:41:43 2009
From: yanik at mac.com (Yanik Dhont)
Date: Thu Jan 29 20:42:09 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Keyboard question
In-Reply-To: <B9C16422-7DE3-4F6D-A206-DE315F602730@prairieinet.net>
References: <C5A76E05.6288%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>
	<B9C16422-7DE3-4F6D-A206-DE315F602730@prairieinet.net>
Message-ID: <5E346A5E-06BD-46B0-9864-9A1A7991B6DC@mac.com>

May I suggest the iSkin products if you wish to protect your keyboards:

They're actually on clearance now

http://www.iskin.com/store/i2shop_clearance.tpl?page=protouch&cart=1233282897357408

I've also enjoyed keyboards from Adesso, especially the ergonomic ones.

http://www.adesso.com/products.asp?categoryid=8

warm regards

Yanik (aka Wingman)

On Jan 29, 2009, at 2:37 PM, Jon Engelhardt wrote:

> I did stop at the Apple store yesterday and picked up the wired  
> version, I already like it much better, seems like a good value for  
> $50!  Thanks everyone for you advice and I'm going to try harder to  
> keep coffee and the occasional cookie away.
> Jon
> On Jan 29, 2009, at 2:30 PM, Sharalyn wrote:
>
>> I prefer the wireless keyboard to the white wired one because the  
>> keys are
>> easier to push, but if this is the route you go, be sure and get a  
>> cover for
>> it as there isn't any way a user can clean it if crumbs, etc. get  
>> under the
>> keys. Mine is in the shop right now for that very problem and as  
>> cleaaning
>> is not covered by warranty, Apple encourged me to not think in  
>> terms of
>> trying to take it apart to clean it myself.
>>
>>
>> On 1/28/09 9:57 AM, "John Rearick" <jrearick@bobbis.net> wrote:
>>
>>> One thing to keep in mind about the Apple aluminum keyboard is that
>>> there is no number pad on the wireless version (bluetooth).  The  
>>> wired
>>> (USB) aluminum keyboard is a full keyboard with number pad.
>>>
>>> I have been happy with the previous revision of Apple's keyboards
>>> (white, full-sized).  The previous revision has the same layout with
>>> number pad for wired and wireless.  There are also third party
>>> keyboards that I haven't used.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 30 09:55:33 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Fri Jan 30 09:55:57 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Internal Hard Drives shopping
In-Reply-To: <p06240825c5a7c7f55fa9@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <288616.82216.qm@web110301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Victoria,

There's additional specs to look at and compare. One of these I gauged when I bought my 750 GB HDD is RPM, which is simply the rate or (spindle) speed the drive uses to access information, copy, or write information. Another is gauging by reviews if possible how easy the included software is to manage. the western digital hdd I bought came with software which allowed a backup schedule to be set up on a daily, weekly, monthly or custom schedule and it automatically runs. And with those back ups it can either allow select folders or what not. And just to be safe I made sure it was OS compatible. This isn't supposed to be a big deal for hdds since they are supposed to be like USB cables as far as function as long as you buy the one with the specific connector you need. I bought a maxtor and a lacie and they both seemed to die at relatively the same time. Western Digital has a reputation for quality products. I've been happy with mine. 

Also be sure to pay attention to the type of connectior your computer requires. 

3.5" = desktop
2.5" = laptop maybe also iMacs
IDE = older more traditional connectors. the average speed or RPM of most IDE harddrives is 5200.
PATA = the same as IDE
AtA = the same as IDE
IDE/PATA/ATA = the same, it depends on the brand/seller as to how they choose to identify them. During the transition, consumers were getting confused with the package info which is the reason for it having many abrreviations in attempt to distinguish from SATA drives.
EIDE is an enhanced EIDE and Tech shops authorized and certified to work on Apple products assure EIDE works in the same manner as IDE and the differences between IDE and EIDE are minimal if any different at all.
SATA = new connectors (most Macs after 2003 require SATA)
There are connector differences between SATA I and SATA II. be sure to find out which one your computer needs. I believe Sata II is faster.

eSATA = a connector port enabling that drive to be housed in an external hard drive enclosure and connected to an eSATA port on a desktop (or laptop, but I rarely see laptops with an eSATA connection). eSATA is as fast as SATA, and in some cases faster. 

iMac require 2.5 SATA drives i believe, but am not 100% as I can't quite recall all my conversations with authorized/certified Apple Technicians

This is the info I remember off the top of my head. You probably want to do a google image search if you are not sure how the connectors of IDE vs SATA (I and II) vs eSata look.

1 TB drives used to be anywhere from $300 - 500 range. I'm not sure what their prices have come down to. I considered buying one but ended up deciding the 750 GB was sufficient because the difference in price was too much for an extra 250GB. Hard drives touting (or is it tauting) video game performance are usually high end, more expensive, but sometimes worth it if video or gaming intensive work is needed. 

Also if it is an older computer you may want to visit xlr8yourmac.com or http://lowendmac.com/
I use Low End Mac a ton because it's usually written in plain non-techie English and highly resourceful. All computers (rather their motherboards) have a max capacity hard drive size and may not "see" the full size. I mention this because I had an older mac (1999) and found out it could only recognize 132 of a 160 GB hard drive. no big deal, but it can be a waste of money is all I'm saying.


Hope this helps. If you have the model numbers and URLs after you narrow it down I'm sure we could look at them for you can give you a better idea.

After you buy the hard drive, reformat it to your needs and preferences. If you have any inkling you want PCs to be able to access it, use the FAT32 or other windows compatible file formating option. 

--- On Thu, 1/29/09, Victoria L. Herring <VLH@HerringLaw.com> wrote:

> From: Victoria L. Herring <VLH@HerringLaw.com>
> Subject: [DM-MUG] Internal Hard Drives shopping
> To: "MUG Des Moines" <dmmug@dmmug.org>
> Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 2:54 PM
> I sent back the Seagates and am now looking at Hitachi 1TB
> drives [Desk, Ultra, etc Star].  On pricegrabber.com I found
> four, all 1TB, 3 of which had 4* reviews so I'd probably
> at least start there. All  three are ATA-300, 7200RPM, 32mb
> buffer..they each have different part numbers.
> 
> How the heck does one, when these specs are all the same,
> decide whether 3 seemingly equivalent drives, all with 4*
> ratings, are different?  And why the price differential?
> 
> The Ultrastar is more expensive but it says it is for
> enterprise use and has a 5 year warranty
> -- Victoria L. Herring, Lawyer, Discrimination/Civil
> Rights, http://www.herringlaw.com;  Travel
> Research/Photography, http://www.JourneyZing.com;   personal
> blog, http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  Des
> Moines, Iowa
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Fri Jan 30 10:01:33 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Fri Jan 30 10:02:21 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Internal Hard Drives shopping
In-Reply-To: <288616.82216.qm@web110301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <288616.82216.qm@web110301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p0624080ec5a8d49f0491@[10.0.1.192]>

Thanks much for all the info=-= I'm putting this into a WiebeTEch 
enclosure [4 bay, no tray] and it's a 3.5" and SATA I'm pretty sure = 
I'll check Wiebe site...

Prices for 1TB are now under $200 and some much lower...
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Lawyer, Discrimination/Civil Rights, 
http://www.herringlaw.com;  Travel Research/Photography, 
http://www.JourneyZing.com;   personal blog, 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  Des Moines, Iowa
From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 30 10:11:24 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Fri Jan 30 10:11:48 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Internal Hard Drives shopping
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4080901291310q73982f95o479027b550ee9f07@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <453210.64693.qm@web110316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Matthew's right. I completely forgot about that stuff. The quietness is a factor if you want it to be. And he's right about firmware. For most consumer needs and my own experience, the firmware isn't usually a big deal unless physical damage occurs to the drive requiring the drive itself needing repair. Like if you're upgrading your computer and the cat does its cat thing while you're answering the phone for a minute. An example would be if the connector pins got bent broken, or some such and the mother/logic/bridgeboard/PCB (green parts) needed to be replaced in order to use and access the stored data.  I had this happen last year to a Maxtor (Which by the way Seagate owns Maxtor) which was my back up drive and had to cut my losses because I could not find any places which worked directly on hard drives, and many sources told me if I worked on it myself differences in the hard drive's logic board firmware of the old and the new hard drive logic board
 could cause problems or even risk data loss. In the end I couldn't even find the same model of hard drive with the same firmware, so it was a moot point. 


--- On Thu, 1/29/09, Matthew Nuzum <newz@bearfruit.org> wrote:

> From: Matthew Nuzum <newz@bearfruit.org>
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Internal Hard Drives shopping
> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug@dmmug.org>
> Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 3:10 PM
> On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Victoria L. Herring
> <VLH@herringlaw.com> wrote:
> > I sent back the Seagates and am now looking at Hitachi
> 1TB drives [Desk,
> > Ultra, etc Star].  On pricegrabber.com I found four,
> all 1TB, 3 of which had
> > 4* reviews so I'd probably at least start there.
> All  three are ATA-300,
> > 7200RPM, 32mb buffer..they each have different part
> numbers.
> >
> > How the heck does one, when these specs are all the
> same, decide whether 3
> > seemingly equivalent drives, all with 4* ratings, are
> different?  And why
> > the price differential?
> >
> > The Ultrastar is more expensive but it says it is for
> enterprise use and has
> > a 5 year warranty
> 
> There are two things that are not easily measured by stats.
> I'm sorry
> that I haven't used the Hitatchi drives in a while so
> I'm not up on
> which models to pick, but here are the two things
> you're missing:
> 
> MTBF: This is a rating showing how many hours of user the
> drive is
> expected to work before failing. Mean Time Between Failure.
> Enterprise
> drives are meant for servers and workstations that need to
> be
> resilient and be in constant use 24 hours a day 7 days a
> week. They
> have more durable components and have more metal in them
> (which allows
> them to spread heat out).
> 
> Firmware: It's possible that this website where you are
> shopping has
> made a good buy and can offer three drives which normally
> would have a
> price difference for the same price. Often times there is a
> consumer
> drive meant to be sold inexpensively and then a performance
> model
> which may differ only in the firmware. One notable feature
> you often
> get in the performance line is "NCQ" which can
> make a dramatic
> difference in speed by optimizing the order in which data
> is written
> the drive.  If you're into computer science NCQ is a
> fascinating
> subject. Often times the inexpensive or "personal/home
> use" drives are
> optimized for quiet operation instead of maximum
> performance. Because
> the parts are the same and only the firmware differs
> it's not too
> surprising to find the drives for the same price. It
> actually kind of
> irritates me when there's an "artificial
> markup" in these situations.
> 
> -- 
> Matthew Nuzum
> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and
> twitter
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> DMMUG@dmmug.org
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From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 30 10:37:45 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Fri Jan 30 10:38:08 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Internal Hard Drive/multi-bay enclosures
In-Reply-To: <p0624080ec5a8d49f0491@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <446470.58852.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Here's some more info. 

No tray enclosures mean you are limited to hard drives only. ones with a tray(s) you could add a dvd drive or other type of removable drive (zip, blu-ray, lightscribe, cd burner, etc.) assuming the removable drive had the same connector the enclosure would accept. In this case SATA.
and word of caution, sometimes what is marketed as 4 bay is actually 3 bay, with the fourth serving as the bay's "motherboard" for the 3 hard drives you can install and also having the connectors to attach it to whichever computer you want via usb/firewire/eSATA. Some enclosures and external harddrives have problems of overheating. Such as was the case with MacMini drives. AppleTV is very similar to the MacMini. I'm not sure if it had the same overheating problem, though. Some enclosures have fans. Some fans are noisy. Some are not.

Raid 0 and RAID 1 are a factor if you are concerned with using a basic server type setup in a home network or small business setting. Which you could potentialy do with the 4 bay no tray enclosure set up. Though I was foggy on the specifics of each to begin with and it hasn't improved since I'm in a line of work not requiring 40+ hours a week selling technology. 
.... Which brings me to, Circuit City closing because of bankruptcy. I know there weren't any in Iowa...

But I'm disheartened because they used to have a pretty good reputation and it's the same fate CompUSA had. Which leaves Best Buy, walmart, the Apple Store, and online retailers for purchasing computers and accessories. Online retailers for electronics and computers is not good for us consumers. I like to see what I'm buying, and sometimes a 2D visual just doesn't do the job.


--- On Fri, 1/30/09, Victoria L. Herring <VLH@HerringLaw.com> wrote:

> From: Victoria L. Herring <VLH@HerringLaw.com>
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Internal Hard Drives shopping
> To: anastasia_prittee@yahoo.com, "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug@dmmug.org>
> Date: Friday, January 30, 2009, 10:01 AM
> Thanks much for all the info=-= I'm putting this into a
> WiebeTEch enclosure [4 bay, no tray] and it's a
> 3.5" and SATA I'm pretty sure = I'll check
> Wiebe site...
> 
> Prices for 1TB are now under $200 and some much lower...
> -- Victoria L. Herring, Lawyer, Discrimination/Civil
> Rights, http://www.herringlaw.com;  Travel
> Research/Photography, http://www.JourneyZing.com;   personal
> blog, http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  Des
> Moines, Iowa


      
From hfwelch at mac.com  Fri Jan 30 10:33:52 2009
From: hfwelch at mac.com (Holly Welch)
Date: Fri Jan 30 10:41:38 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Job mit Unterbeschaftigung
References: <884327538.47516578086637@dcromer>
Message-ID: <59E695B8-9623-4093-BAD6-FFEE4401A71B@mac.com>

As you can see, this came to the vp of dmmug. I'm sure it is some  
great deal we can't miss, Any multi-linguists out there? (No, java  
and basic don't count)
At least I got a chuckle out of this. And, if it is for money that  
I've won, please let me know how I collect it!
Holly

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Sara Mason <ttabhn7407@doe.k12.ga.us>
> Date: January 30, 2009 8:56:48 AM CST
> To: vice-president@dmmug.org
> Subject: Job mit Unterbeschaftigung
>
> Wir m?chten Ihnen eine Stelle des Finanzmanagers in Focal Financial  
> Group anbieten. Focal Financial Group entwickelte sich
> erfolgreich auf dem Finanzenmarkt im Laufe von mehr als 10 Jahren.  
> Wir bieten professionelle Finanz- und Investitionsl?sungen
> privaten Investoren sowie Korporationen an. Focal Financial Group  
> funktioniert auf dem Markt mit dem unaufh?rlich
> wachsenden Potenzial und mit den neuen M?glichkeiten. Wir ?ffnen  
> neue Horizonte des Erfolgs und bieten auf solche Weise die
> modernen und aktuellen Qualit?tsdienstleistungen an. Jetzt hat  
> unsere Gesellschaft eine freie Stelle ? die Stelle des
> Finanzmanagers. Besonderheit von Arbeit eines solchen Fachmannes  
> besteht darin, dass man mehrere private Rechnungen bei der
> Transaktionen benutzt. Das ist eine der Bedingungen f?r die  
> langfristige Zusammenarbeit mit unseren Kunden, weil das
> zur Vermeidung der Besteuerung (Kommissionsgeb?hr f?r  
> Geld?berweisung, die von der Bank erhoben wird) und zur
> Beschleunigung des Transaktionsprozesses dient. Aufgaben eines  
> Finanzmanagers schlie?en Verarbeitung von Transaktionen,
> die auf unsere Rechnungen von unseren Kunden ?berwiesen werden,  
> weitere ?berweisung der Geldmittel auf Rechnungen, ?ber welche Sie  
> genauere Informationen von uns bekommen werden. Um all das zu  
> leisten, sollen Sie nur 3
> Stunden pro Tag dieser Arbeit widmen und gewiss einen Wunsch, das  
> zu machen, haben. Ihr Lohn am Anfang wird ?900 pro Monat plus 5 %  
> von jeder Transaktion sein.
>
> Wir bieten an:
> -Weitere Training
> -Kariersteigen und pers?nliche Entwicklung
> -Training und Arbeit in einer dynamischen und freundlichen Atmosph?re
> -Wettbewerbsl?hne
> -Lohnsystem plus Bonus, falls Sie gute Ergebnisse haben
>
> F?lls Sie f?r unsere Vakanz Interesse haben oder irgendwelche  
> Fragen an uns stellen m?chten, schreiben Sie bitte an unsere e-mail:
> krauz.woberg245@gmail.com

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From newz at bearfruit.org  Fri Jan 30 10:48:35 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Fri Jan 30 10:48:58 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Internal Hard Drives shopping
In-Reply-To: <288616.82216.qm@web110301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <p06240825c5a7c7f55fa9@10.0.1.192>
	<288616.82216.qm@web110301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080901300848r4d6300bk7ec75373d7725cf4@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 9:55 AM, AB <anastasia_prittee@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Also be sure to pay attention to the type of connectior your computer requires.
>
> 3.5" = desktop
> 2.5" = laptop maybe also iMacs

And believe it or not there is actually a 1.8" drive format. I thought
2.5" was the smallest and bought one for my laptop but when I opened
my computer (a Dell Latitude D420) saw there was no way the drive
would fit in. The cable is very different from the other drives, it
uses a ZIF connector where you just slip the end of the cable into a
slot and snap a small plastic bar down over the cable to hold it in
place.

They've been used in iPods for a while but now that these ultra tiny
netbooks are all the rage apparently these drives are becoming common
as user-replaceable upgrades (apparently it's uncommon to upgrade the
hard drive in your iPod).

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
From jon at mac-consultant.com  Fri Jan 30 11:03:15 2009
From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Fri Jan 30 11:04:10 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Internal Hard Drives shopping
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4080901300848r4d6300bk7ec75373d7725cf4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <p06240825c5a7c7f55fa9@10.0.1.192>
	<288616.82216.qm@web110301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<f3c0b4080901300848r4d6300bk7ec75373d7725cf4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F0898859-E08A-49EA-879E-ED5FB3928CE8@mac-consultant.com>

1TB for $99

http://promotions.newegg.com/NEemail/Jan-0-2009/FreeShipping29/index-landing.html

On Jan 30, 2009, at 10:48 AM, Matthew Nuzum wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 9:55 AM, AB <anastasia_prittee@yahoo.com>  
> wrote:
>> Also be sure to pay attention to the type of connectior your  
>> computer requires.
>>
>> 3.5" = desktop
>> 2.5" = laptop maybe also iMacs
>
> And believe it or not there is actually a 1.8" drive format. I thought
> 2.5" was the smallest and bought one for my laptop but when I opened
> my computer (a Dell Latitude D420) saw there was no way the drive
> would fit in. The cable is very different from the other drives, it
> uses a ZIF connector where you just slip the end of the cable into a
> slot and snap a small plastic bar down over the cable to hold it in
> place.
>
> They've been used in iPods for a while but now that these ultra tiny
> netbooks are all the rage apparently these drives are becoming common
> as user-replaceable upgrades (apparently it's uncommon to upgrade the
> hard drive in your iPod).
>
> -- 
> Matthew Nuzum
> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> DMMUG@dmmug.org
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From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 30 11:08:38 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Fri Jan 30 11:08:52 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Keyboard question
In-Reply-To: <5E346A5E-06BD-46B0-9864-9A1A7991B6DC@mac.com>
Message-ID: <376564.38465.qm@web110301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I use a toothpick to get in the crevices. . after i se the toothpick to the open gaps (between the main alpha keys and the arrow and number keys) I take a qtip or cotton swab to lift the grime, crumbs, etc. then I turn the keyboard upside down to shake out anything i can loose and out. Sometimes i use the attachment hose on the vacuum or a hand held vacuum because I always forget to buy the canned compressed air, but want to get the pet hair out. 

To get ickyness off the keys I spray a paper towel with windex or another very mild cleaning solvent/glass/multi-surface and clean mmy keyboard with it. it actually works to resist the oils from your fingers and hands. Never run a keyboard under the facet and never submerge in a tub or sink of water. The keyboard drowns. I tried this when was 14 and the most computer savvy of my friends and family. Literally, the keyboard is never the same. There are people out there who have come up with elaborate methods of disassembling and popping off the keys to clean and reattach. This is not my personal preference. Those people report the process as 45 minutes from start to finish.

For the scroll ball on the mouse, I use the same mild cleaning agent on a qtip or paper towel and move the scroll ball around, then i take a dry paper towel and move the scroll ball around to get the moisture off to avoid moisture build up inside the mouse. I repeat this until it works as it should. Otherwise I just bang the mouse on the mousepad a few times. this method worked for 2 years until i ended up googling how to clean it and tried my own method with the cleaning solvent. I also sent feedback to apple telling them they need to include cleaning instructions for peripherals. on non-apple mouses I know IT pros use a qtip dipped in rubbing alcohol. I didn't have rubbing alcohol so I just use Windex. 

For LCD screns I use a microfiber cloth. I'm not sure what agent to use... and it's usually just fingerprints anyways. But I'd assume you could use the same lens or electronics cleaner for cameras and televisions. 

There are spill proof keyboards, though they feel very odd to the tactile senses. Some of them roll up too. 

What can I say, I'm frugal. and some peripherals are not worth replacing unless necessary. $50 is alot of windex and papertowels ;) and I could get come coffee and cookies. :)

--- On Thu, 1/29/09, Yanik Dhont <yanik@mac.com> wrote:

> From: Yanik Dhont <yanik@mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Keyboard question
> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug@dmmug.org>
> Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 8:41 PM
> May I suggest the iSkin products if you wish to protect your
> keyboards:
> 
> They're actually on clearance now
> 
> http://www.iskin.com/store/i2shop_clearance.tpl?page=protouch&cart=1233282897357408
> 
> I've also enjoyed keyboards from Adesso, especially the
> ergonomic ones.
> 
> http://www.adesso.com/products.asp?categoryid=8
> 
> warm regards
> 
> Yanik (aka Wingman)
> 
> On Jan 29, 2009, at 2:37 PM, Jon Engelhardt wrote:
> 
> > I did stop at the Apple store yesterday and picked up
> the wired version, I already like it much better, seems like
> a good value for $50!  Thanks everyone for you advice and
> I'm going to try harder to keep coffee and the
> occasional cookie away.
> > Jon
> > On Jan 29, 2009, at 2:30 PM, Sharalyn wrote:
> > 
> >> I prefer the wireless keyboard to the white wired
> one because the keys are
> >> easier to push, but if this is the route you go,
> be sure and get a cover for
> >> it as there isn't any way a user can clean it
> if crumbs, etc. get under the
> >> keys. Mine is in the shop right now for that very
> problem and as cleaaning
> >> is not covered by warranty, Apple encourged me to
> not think in terms of
> >> trying to take it apart to clean it myself.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On 1/28/09 9:57 AM, "John Rearick"
> <jrearick@bobbis.net> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> One thing to keep in mind about the Apple
> aluminum keyboard is that
> >>> there is no number pad on the wireless version
> (bluetooth).  The wired
> >>> (USB) aluminum keyboard is a full keyboard
> with number pad.
> >>> 
> >>> I have been happy with the previous revision
> of Apple's keyboards
> >>> (white, full-sized).  The previous revision
> has the same layout with
> >>> number pad for wired and wireless.  There are
> also third party
> >>> keyboards that I haven't used.
> >>> 
> >>> John
> >>> 
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From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 30 11:16:00 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Fri Jan 30 11:16:14 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Internal Hard Drives/1.8" and iPods
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4080901300848r4d6300bk7ec75373d7725cf4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <634840.88810.qm@web110308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Yeah I forgot about those too! They were coming out as ultra portable hard drives and "large capacity pocketsized USB/firewire" drives. I was surprised they didn't become popular faster and thought they'd end up dying out as a standalone. 

I always thought MP3 players and iPods were glorified jump drives with an audio jack.  Though I love my iPod. And I love that I found it at a steal of a deal. 

Didn't know about the detailed info on the 1.8" drives though. Good to know. Thanks!

--- On Fri, 1/30/09, Matthew Nuzum <newz@bearfruit.org> wrote:

> From: Matthew Nuzum <newz@bearfruit.org>
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Internal Hard Drives shopping
> To: anastasia_prittee@yahoo.com, "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug@dmmug.org>
> Date: Friday, January 30, 2009, 10:48 AM
> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 9:55 AM, AB
> <anastasia_prittee@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Also be sure to pay attention to the type of
> connectior your computer requires.
> >
> > 3.5" = desktop
> > 2.5" = laptop maybe also iMacs
> 
> And believe it or not there is actually a 1.8" drive
> format. I thought
> 2.5" was the smallest and bought one for my laptop but
> when I opened
> my computer (a Dell Latitude D420) saw there was no way the
> drive
> would fit in. The cable is very different from the other
> drives, it
> uses a ZIF connector where you just slip the end of the
> cable into a
> slot and snap a small plastic bar down over the cable to
> hold it in
> place.
> 
> They've been used in iPods for a while but now that
> these ultra tiny
> netbooks are all the rage apparently these drives are
> becoming common
> as user-replaceable upgrades (apparently it's uncommon
> to upgrade the
> hard drive in your iPod).
> 
> -- 
> Matthew Nuzum
> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and
> twitter


      
From jrgeerdes at gmail.com  Fri Jan 30 11:46:48 2009
From: jrgeerdes at gmail.com (Jeremy Geerdes)
Date: Fri Jan 30 11:47:19 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Job mit Unterbeschaftigung
In-Reply-To: <59E695B8-9623-4093-BAD6-FFEE4401A71B@mac.com>
References: <884327538.47516578086637@dcromer>
	<59E695B8-9623-4093-BAD6-FFEE4401A71B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <79003223-A73A-448D-96ED-FBF894D0EEB4@gmail.com>

Translation from Google Translate:

We want to give you a position of financial manager in Focal Financial  
Group to offer. Focal Financial Group has developed
successful in the finance market in the course of more than 10 years.  
We provide professional financial and investment solutions
private investors and corporations to. Focal Financial Group works on  
the market with the incessant
growing potential and with the new possibilities. We open new horizons  
of success and thus offer the
modern and current quality of services. Now our company has a vacancy  
- the position of the
Financial manager. Specificity of work of such a professional is that  
several private bills in the
Transactions used. This is one of the conditions for long-term  
cooperation with our customers, because the
for the avoidance of taxation (commission fees for money transfer, the  
Bank will be collected) and
Acceleration of the transaction process is used. Tasks of a financial  
manager include processing of transactions,
on our bills from our customers to be transferred, for further  
transfer of funds among accounts, on which more detailed information  
from us will receive. In order to afford all that, you only 3
Hours per day dedicate this work and certainly a desire, to do, have.  
The reward at the top will be 900 per month plus 5% from each  
transaction.

We offer:
-Further Training
-Kariersteigen and personal development
Training and working in a dynamic and friendly atmosphere
Competition Wages
Wage plus bonus system, if you have good results

Cases for our vacancy you are interested or have any questions for us,  
please write to our e-mail:
krauz.woberg245 @ gmail.com
Detect language

 >
English

swap
Translate
  	Suggest a better translation

Jeremy R. Geerdes
Effective website design & development
Des Moines, IA

For more information or a project quote:
http://jgeerdes.home.mchsi.com
http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com
http://jgeerdes.wordpress.com
jgeerdes@mchsi.com

Unless otherwise noted, any price quotes contained within this  
communication are given in US dollars.

If you're in the Des Moines, IA, area, check out Debra Heights  
Wesleyan Church!

And check out my blog, Adventures in Web Development, at http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com 
  !


On Jan 30, 2009, at 10:33 AM, Holly Welch wrote:

>> Wir m?chten Ihnen eine Stelle des Finanzmanagers in Focal Financial  
>> Group anbieten. Focal Financial Group entwickelte sich
>> erfolgreich auf dem Finanzenmarkt im Laufe von mehr als 10 Jahren.  
>> Wir bieten professionelle Finanz- und Investitionsl?sungen
>> privaten Investoren sowie Korporationen an. Focal Financial Group  
>> funktioniert auf dem Markt mit dem unaufh?rlich
>> wachsenden Potenzial und mit den neuen M?glichkeiten. Wir ?ffnen  
>> neue Horizonte des Erfolgs und bieten auf solche Weise die
>> modernen und aktuellen Qualit?tsdienstleistungen an. Jetzt hat  
>> unsere Gesellschaft eine freie Stelle ? die Stelle des
>> Finanzmanagers. Besonderheit von Arbeit eines solchen Fachmannes  
>> besteht darin, dass man mehrere private Rechnungen bei der
>> Transaktionen benutzt. Das ist eine der Bedingungen f?r die  
>> langfristige Zusammenarbeit mit unseren Kunden, weil das
>> zur Vermeidung der Besteuerung (Kommissionsgeb?hr f?r  
>> Geld?berweisung, die von der Bank erhoben wird) und zur
>> Beschleunigung des Transaktionsprozesses dient. Aufgaben eines  
>> Finanzmanagers schlie?en Verarbeitung von Transaktionen,
>> die auf unsere Rechnungen von unseren Kunden ?berwiesen werden,  
>> weitere ?berweisung der Geldmittel auf Rechnungen, ?ber welche Sie  
>> genauere Informationen von uns bekommen werden. Um all das zu  
>> leisten, sollen Sie nur 3
>> Stunden pro Tag dieser Arbeit widmen und gewiss einen Wunsch, das  
>> zu machen, haben. Ihr Lohn am Anfang wird ?900 pro Monat plus 5 %  
>> von jeder Transaktion sein.
>>
>> Wir bieten an:
>> -Weitere Training
>> -Kariersteigen und pers?nliche Entwicklung
>> -Training und Arbeit in einer dynamischen und freundlichen Atmosph?re
>> -Wettbewerbsl?hne
>> -Lohnsystem plus Bonus, falls Sie gute Ergebnisse haben
>>
>> F?lls Sie f?r unsere Vakanz Interesse haben oder irgendwelche  
>> Fragen an uns stellen m?chten, schreiben Sie bitte an unsere e-mail:
>> krauz.woberg245@gmail.com

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From jon at mac-consultant.com  Fri Jan 30 12:30:59 2009
From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Fri Jan 30 12:31:14 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Job mit Unterbeschaftigung
In-Reply-To: <79003223-A73A-448D-96ED-FBF894D0EEB4@gmail.com>
References: <884327538.47516578086637@dcromer>
	<59E695B8-9623-4093-BAD6-FFEE4401A71B@mac.com>
	<79003223-A73A-448D-96ED-FBF894D0EEB4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51BA71DA-F8B6-47C6-8951-14E800B59E12@mac-consultant.com>

Looks like phishing to me.
On Jan 30, 2009, at 11:46 AM, Jeremy Geerdes wrote:

> Translation from Google Translate:
>
> We want to give you a position of financial manager in Focal  
> Financial Group to offer. Focal Financial Group has developed
> successful in the finance market in the course of more than 10  
> years. We provide professional financial and investment solutions
> private investors and corporations to. Focal Financial Group works  
> on the market with the incessant
> growing potential and with the new possibilities. We open new  
> horizons of success and thus offer the
> modern and current quality of services. Now our company has a  
> vacancy - the position of the
> Financial manager. Specificity of work of such a professional is  
> that several private bills in the
> Transactions used. This is one of the conditions for long-term  
> cooperation with our customers, because the
> for the avoidance of taxation (commission fees for money transfer,  
> the Bank will be collected) and
> Acceleration of the transaction process is used. Tasks of a  
> financial manager include processing of transactions,
> on our bills from our customers to be transferred, for further  
> transfer of funds among accounts, on which more detailed information  
> from us will receive. In order to afford all that, you only 3
> Hours per day dedicate this work and certainly a desire, to do,  
> have. The reward at the top will be 900 per month plus 5% from each  
> transaction.
>
> We offer:
> -Further Training
> -Kariersteigen and personal development
> Training and working in a dynamic and friendly atmosphere
> Competition Wages
> Wage plus bonus system, if you have good results
>
> Cases for our vacancy you are interested or have any questions for  
> us, please write to our e-mail:
> krauz.woberg245 @ gmail.com
> Detect language
>
> >
> English
>
> swap
> Translate
>  Suggest a better translation
>
> Jeremy R. Geerdes
> Effective website design & development
> Des Moines, IA
>
> For more information or a project quote:
> http://jgeerdes.home.mchsi.com
> http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com
> http://jgeerdes.wordpress.com
> jgeerdes@mchsi.com
>
> Unless otherwise noted, any price quotes contained within this  
> communication are given in US dollars.
>
> If you're in the Des Moines, IA, area, check out Debra Heights  
> Wesleyan Church!
>
> And check out my blog, Adventures in Web Development, at http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com 
>  !
>
>
> On Jan 30, 2009, at 10:33 AM, Holly Welch wrote:
>
>>> Wir m?chten Ihnen eine Stelle des Finanzmanagers in Focal  
>>> Financial Group anbieten. Focal Financial Group entwickelte sich
>>> erfolgreich auf dem Finanzenmarkt im Laufe von mehr als 10 Jahren.  
>>> Wir bieten professionelle Finanz- und Investitionsl?sungen
>>> privaten Investoren sowie Korporationen an. Focal Financial Group  
>>> funktioniert auf dem Markt mit dem unaufh?rlich
>>> wachsenden Potenzial und mit den neuen M?glichkeiten. Wir ?ffnen  
>>> neue Horizonte des Erfolgs und bieten auf solche Weise die
>>> modernen und aktuellen Qualit?tsdienstleistungen an. Jetzt hat  
>>> unsere Gesellschaft eine freie Stelle ? die Stelle des
>>> Finanzmanagers. Besonderheit von Arbeit eines solchen Fachmannes  
>>> besteht darin, dass man mehrere private Rechnungen bei der
>>> Transaktionen benutzt. Das ist eine der Bedingungen f?r die  
>>> langfristige Zusammenarbeit mit unseren Kunden, weil das
>>> zur Vermeidung der Besteuerung (Kommissionsgeb?hr f?r  
>>> Geld?berweisung, die von der Bank erhoben wird) und zur
>>> Beschleunigung des Transaktionsprozesses dient. Aufgaben eines  
>>> Finanzmanagers schlie?en Verarbeitung von Transaktionen,
>>> die auf unsere Rechnungen von unseren Kunden ?berwiesen werden,  
>>> weitere ?berweisung der Geldmittel auf Rechnungen, ?ber welche Sie  
>>> genauere Informationen von uns bekommen werden. Um all das zu  
>>> leisten, sollen Sie nur 3
>>> Stunden pro Tag dieser Arbeit widmen und gewiss einen Wunsch, das  
>>> zu machen, haben. Ihr Lohn am Anfang wird ?900 pro Monat plus 5 %  
>>> von jeder Transaktion sein.
>>>
>>> Wir bieten an:
>>> -Weitere Training
>>> -Kariersteigen und pers?nliche Entwicklung
>>> -Training und Arbeit in einer dynamischen und freundlichen  
>>> Atmosph?re
>>> -Wettbewerbsl?hne
>>> -Lohnsystem plus Bonus, falls Sie gute Ergebnisse haben
>>>
>>> F?lls Sie f?r unsere Vakanz Interesse haben oder irgendwelche  
>>> Fragen an uns stellen m?chten, schreiben Sie bitte an unsere e-mail:
>>> krauz.woberg245@gmail.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Fri Jan 30 13:01:32 2009
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Fri Jan 30 13:01:57 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Job mit Unterbeschaftigung
In-Reply-To: <79003223-A73A-448D-96ED-FBF894D0EEB4@gmail.com>
References: <884327538.47516578086637@dcromer>
	<59E695B8-9623-4093-BAD6-FFEE4401A71B@mac.com>
	<79003223-A73A-448D-96ED-FBF894D0EEB4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9B584197-1E55-4DCC-AAFD-859B19997483@mchsi.com>

Spam.


On Jan 30, 2009, at Jan 30, 200911:46 AM, Jeremy Geerdes wrote:

> Translation from Google Translate:
>
> We want to give you a position of financial manager in Focal  
> Financial Group to offer. Focal Financial Group has developed
> successful in the finance market in the course of more than 10  
> years. We provide professional financial and investment solutions
> private investors and corporations to. Focal Financial Group works  
> on the market with the incessant
> growing potential and with the new possibilities. We open new  
> horizons of success and thus offer the
> modern and current quality of services. Now our company has a  
> vacancy - the position of the
> Financial manager. Specificity of work of such a professional is  
> that several private bills in the
> Transactions used. This is one of the conditions for long-term  
> cooperation with our customers, because the
> for the avoidance of taxation (commission fees for money transfer,  
> the Bank will be collected) and
> Acceleration of the transaction process is used. Tasks of a  
> financial manager include processing of transactions,
> on our bills from our customers to be transferred, for further  
> transfer of funds among accounts, on which more detailed information  
> from us will receive. In order to afford all that, you only 3
> Hours per day dedicate this work and certainly a desire, to do,  
> have. The reward at the top will be 900 per month plus 5% from each  
> transaction.
>
> We offer:
> -Further Training
> -Kariersteigen and personal development
> Training and working in a dynamic and friendly atmosphere
> Competition Wages
> Wage plus bonus system, if you have good results
>
> Cases for our vacancy you are interested or have any questions for  
> us, please write to our e-mail:
> krauz.woberg245 @ gmail.com
> Detect language
>
> >
> English
>
> swap
> Translate
>  Suggest a better translation
>
> Jeremy R. Geerdes
> Effective website design & development
> Des Moines, IA
>
> For more information or a project quote:
> http://jgeerdes.home.mchsi.com
> http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com
> http://jgeerdes.wordpress.com
> jgeerdes@mchsi.com
>
> Unless otherwise noted, any price quotes contained within this  
> communication are given in US dollars.
>
> If you're in the Des Moines, IA, area, check out Debra Heights  
> Wesleyan Church!
>
> And check out my blog, Adventures in Web Development, at http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com 
>  !
>
>
> On Jan 30, 2009, at 10:33 AM, Holly Welch wrote:
>
>>> Wir m?chten Ihnen eine Stelle des Finanzmanagers in Focal  
>>> Financial Group anbieten. Focal Financial Group entwickelte sich
>>> erfolgreich auf dem Finanzenmarkt im Laufe von mehr als 10 Jahren.  
>>> Wir bieten professionelle Finanz- und Investitionsl?sungen
>>> privaten Investoren sowie Korporationen an. Focal Financial Group  
>>> funktioniert auf dem Markt mit dem unaufh?rlich
>>> wachsenden Potenzial und mit den neuen M?glichkeiten. Wir ?ffnen  
>>> neue Horizonte des Erfolgs und bieten auf solche Weise die
>>> modernen und aktuellen Qualit?tsdienstleistungen an. Jetzt hat  
>>> unsere Gesellschaft eine freie Stelle ? die Stelle des
>>> Finanzmanagers. Besonderheit von Arbeit eines solchen Fachmannes  
>>> besteht darin, dass man mehrere private Rechnungen bei der
>>> Transaktionen benutzt. Das ist eine der Bedingungen f?r die  
>>> langfristige Zusammenarbeit mit unseren Kunden, weil das
>>> zur Vermeidung der Besteuerung (Kommissionsgeb?hr f?r  
>>> Geld?berweisung, die von der Bank erhoben wird) und zur
>>> Beschleunigung des Transaktionsprozesses dient. Aufgaben eines  
>>> Finanzmanagers schlie?en Verarbeitung von Transaktionen,
>>> die auf unsere Rechnungen von unseren Kunden ?berwiesen werden,  
>>> weitere ?berweisung der Geldmittel auf Rechnungen, ?ber welche Sie  
>>> genauere Informationen von uns bekommen werden. Um all das zu  
>>> leisten, sollen Sie nur 3
>>> Stunden pro Tag dieser Arbeit widmen und gewiss einen Wunsch, das  
>>> zu machen, haben. Ihr Lohn am Anfang wird ?900 pro Monat plus 5 %  
>>> von jeder Transaktion sein.
>>>
>>> Wir bieten an:
>>> -Weitere Training
>>> -Kariersteigen und pers?nliche Entwicklung
>>> -Training und Arbeit in einer dynamischen und freundlichen  
>>> Atmosph?re
>>> -Wettbewerbsl?hne
>>> -Lohnsystem plus Bonus, falls Sie gute Ergebnisse haben
>>>
>>> F?lls Sie f?r unsere Vakanz Interesse haben oder irgendwelche  
>>> Fragen an uns stellen m?chten, schreiben Sie bitte an unsere e-mail:
>>> krauz.woberg245@gmail.com
>
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From kisley at gmail.com  Fri Jan 30 13:07:02 2009
From: kisley at gmail.com (Keith Isley)
Date: Fri Jan 30 13:07:20 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Job mit Unterbeschaftigung
In-Reply-To: <9B584197-1E55-4DCC-AAFD-859B19997483@mchsi.com>
References: <884327538.47516578086637@dcromer>
	<59E695B8-9623-4093-BAD6-FFEE4401A71B@mac.com>
	<79003223-A73A-448D-96ED-FBF894D0EEB4@gmail.com>
	<9B584197-1E55-4DCC-AAFD-859B19997483@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <5b440b5c0901301107n13973546tc26bd4df00cea5ed@mail.gmail.com>

Wait...I want this job!
(lol)

KAI

2009/1/30 Ray Bowler <rbowler@mchsi.com>

> Spam.
>
>
>
> On Jan 30, 2009, at Jan 30, 200911:46 AM, Jeremy Geerdes wrote:
>
>  Translation from Google Translate:
>>
>> We want to give you a position of financial manager in Focal Financial
>> Group to offer. Focal Financial Group has developed
>> successful in the finance market in the course of more than 10 years. We
>> provide professional financial and investment solutions
>> private investors and corporations to. Focal Financial Group works on the
>> market with the incessant
>> growing potential and with the new possibilities. We open new horizons of
>> success and thus offer the
>> modern and current quality of services. Now our company has a vacancy -
>> the position of the
>> Financial manager. Specificity of work of such a professional is that
>> several private bills in the
>> Transactions used. This is one of the conditions for long-term cooperation
>> with our customers, because the
>> for the avoidance of taxation (commission fees for money transfer, the
>> Bank will be collected) and
>> Acceleration of the transaction process is used. Tasks of a financial
>> manager include processing of transactions,
>> on our bills from our customers to be transferred, for further transfer of
>> funds among accounts, on which more detailed information from us will
>> receive. In order to afford all that, you only 3
>> Hours per day dedicate this work and certainly a desire, to do, have. The
>> reward at the top will be 900 per month plus 5% from each transaction.
>>
>> We offer:
>> -Further Training
>> -Kariersteigen and personal development
>> Training and working in a dynamic and friendly atmosphere
>> Competition Wages
>> Wage plus bonus system, if you have good results
>>
>> Cases for our vacancy you are interested or have any questions for us,
>> please write to our e-mail:
>> krauz.woberg245 @ gmail.com
>> Detect language
>>
>> >
>> English
>>
>> swap
>> Translate
>>  Suggest a better translation
>>
>> Jeremy R. Geerdes
>> Effective website design & development
>> Des Moines, IA
>>
>> For more information or a project quote:
>> http://jgeerdes.home.mchsi.com
>> http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com
>> http://jgeerdes.wordpress.com
>> jgeerdes@mchsi.com
>>
>> Unless otherwise noted, any price quotes contained within this
>> communication are given in US dollars.
>>
>> If you're in the Des Moines, IA, area, check out Debra Heights Wesleyan
>> Church!
>>
>> And check out my blog, Adventures in Web Development, at
>> http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com !
>>
>>
>> On Jan 30, 2009, at 10:33 AM, Holly Welch wrote:
>>
>>  Wir m?chten Ihnen eine Stelle des Finanzmanagers in Focal Financial Group
>>>> anbieten. Focal Financial Group entwickelte sich
>>>> erfolgreich auf dem Finanzenmarkt im Laufe von mehr als 10 Jahren. Wir
>>>> bieten professionelle Finanz- und Investitionsl?sungen
>>>> privaten Investoren sowie Korporationen an. Focal Financial Group
>>>> funktioniert auf dem Markt mit dem unaufh?rlich
>>>> wachsenden Potenzial und mit den neuen M?glichkeiten. Wir ?ffnen neue
>>>> Horizonte des Erfolgs und bieten auf solche Weise die
>>>> modernen und aktuellen Qualit?tsdienstleistungen an. Jetzt hat unsere
>>>> Gesellschaft eine freie Stelle ? die Stelle des
>>>> Finanzmanagers. Besonderheit von Arbeit eines solchen Fachmannes besteht
>>>> darin, dass man mehrere private Rechnungen bei der
>>>> Transaktionen benutzt. Das ist eine der Bedingungen f?r die langfristige
>>>> Zusammenarbeit mit unseren Kunden, weil das
>>>> zur Vermeidung der Besteuerung (Kommissionsgeb?hr f?r Geld?berweisung,
>>>> die von der Bank erhoben wird) und zur
>>>> Beschleunigung des Transaktionsprozesses dient. Aufgaben eines
>>>> Finanzmanagers schlie?en Verarbeitung von Transaktionen,
>>>> die auf unsere Rechnungen von unseren Kunden ?berwiesen werden, weitere
>>>> ?berweisung der Geldmittel auf Rechnungen, ?ber welche Sie genauere
>>>> Informationen von uns bekommen werden. Um all das zu leisten, sollen Sie nur
>>>> 3
>>>> Stunden pro Tag dieser Arbeit widmen und gewiss einen Wunsch, das zu
>>>> machen, haben. Ihr Lohn am Anfang wird ?900 pro Monat plus 5 % von jeder
>>>> Transaktion sein.
>>>>
>>>> Wir bieten an:
>>>> -Weitere Training
>>>> -Kariersteigen und pers?nliche Entwicklung
>>>> -Training und Arbeit in einer dynamischen und freundlichen Atmosph?re
>>>> -Wettbewerbsl?hne
>>>> -Lohnsystem plus Bonus, falls Sie gute Ergebnisse haben
>>>>
>>>> F?lls Sie f?r unsere Vakanz Interesse haben oder irgendwelche Fragen an
>>>> uns stellen m?chten, schreiben Sie bitte an unsere e-mail:
>>>> krauz.woberg245@gmail.com
>>>>
>>>
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>
>
>
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From hfwelch at mac.com  Fri Jan 30 14:03:34 2009
From: hfwelch at mac.com (Holly Welch)
Date: Fri Jan 30 14:04:03 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Job mit Unterbeschaftigung
In-Reply-To: <5b440b5c0901301107n13973546tc26bd4df00cea5ed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <884327538.47516578086637@dcromer>
	<59E695B8-9623-4093-BAD6-FFEE4401A71B@mac.com>
	<79003223-A73A-448D-96ED-FBF894D0EEB4@gmail.com>
	<9B584197-1E55-4DCC-AAFD-859B19997483@mchsi.com>
	<5b440b5c0901301107n13973546tc26bd4df00cea5ed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6ED385D6-5638-4D92-939D-A235256EA1A6@mac.com>

Are you kidding, Keith?  You waited too long! I  already have my  
plane ticket!
On Jan 30, 2009, at 1:07 PM, Keith Isley wrote:

> Wait...I want this job!
>
> (lol)
>
> KAI
>
> 2009/1/30 Ray Bowler <rbowler@mchsi.com>
> Spam.
>
>
>
> On Jan 30, 2009, at Jan 30, 200911:46 AM, Jeremy Geerdes wrote:
>
> Translation from Google Translate:
>
> We want to give you a position of financial manager in Focal  
> Financial Group to offer. Focal Financial Group has developed
> successful in the finance market in the course of more than 10  
> years. We provide professional financial and investment solutions
> private investors and corporations to. Focal Financial Group works  
> on the market with the incessant
> growing potential and with the new possibilities. We open new  
> horizons of success and thus offer the
> modern and current quality of services. Now our company has a  
> vacancy - the position of the
> Financial manager. Specificity of work of such a professional is  
> that several private bills in the
> Transactions used. This is one of the conditions for long-term  
> cooperation with our customers, because the
> for the avoidance of taxation (commission fees for money transfer,  
> the Bank will be collected) and
> Acceleration of the transaction process is used. Tasks of a  
> financial manager include processing of transactions,
> on our bills from our customers to be transferred, for further  
> transfer of funds among accounts, on which more detailed  
> information from us will receive. In order to afford all that, you  
> only 3
> Hours per day dedicate this work and certainly a desire, to do,  
> have. The reward at the top will be 900 per month plus 5% from each  
> transaction.
>
> We offer:
> -Further Training
> -Kariersteigen and personal development
> Training and working in a dynamic and friendly atmosphere
> Competition Wages
> Wage plus bonus system, if you have good results
>
> Cases for our vacancy you are interested or have any questions for  
> us, please write to our e-mail:
> krauz.woberg245 @ gmail.com
> Detect language
>
> >
> English
>
> swap
> Translate
>  Suggest a better translation
>
> Jeremy R. Geerdes
> Effective website design & development
> Des Moines, IA
>
> For more information or a project quote:
> http://jgeerdes.home.mchsi.com
> http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com
> http://jgeerdes.wordpress.com
> jgeerdes@mchsi.com
>
> Unless otherwise noted, any price quotes contained within this  
> communication are given in US dollars.
>
> If you're in the Des Moines, IA, area, check out Debra Heights  
> Wesleyan Church!
>
> And check out my blog, Adventures in Web Development, at http:// 
> jgeerdes.blogspot.com !
>
>
> On Jan 30, 2009, at 10:33 AM, Holly Welch wrote:
>
> Wir m?chten Ihnen eine Stelle des Finanzmanagers in Focal Financial  
> Group anbieten. Focal Financial Group entwickelte sich
> erfolgreich auf dem Finanzenmarkt im Laufe von mehr als 10 Jahren.  
> Wir bieten professionelle Finanz- und Investitionsl?sungen
> privaten Investoren sowie Korporationen an. Focal Financial Group  
> funktioniert auf dem Markt mit dem unaufh?rlich
> wachsenden Potenzial und mit den neuen M?glichkeiten. Wir ?ffnen  
> neue Horizonte des Erfolgs und bieten auf solche Weise die
> modernen und aktuellen Qualit?tsdienstleistungen an. Jetzt hat  
> unsere Gesellschaft eine freie Stelle ? die Stelle des
> Finanzmanagers. Besonderheit von Arbeit eines solchen Fachmannes  
> besteht darin, dass man mehrere private Rechnungen bei der
> Transaktionen benutzt. Das ist eine der Bedingungen f?r die  
> langfristige Zusammenarbeit mit unseren Kunden, weil das
> zur Vermeidung der Besteuerung (Kommissionsgeb?hr f?r  
> Geld?berweisung, die von der Bank erhoben wird) und zur
> Beschleunigung des Transaktionsprozesses dient. Aufgaben eines  
> Finanzmanagers schlie?en Verarbeitung von Transaktionen,
> die auf unsere Rechnungen von unseren Kunden ?berwiesen werden,  
> weitere ?berweisung der Geldmittel auf Rechnungen, ?ber welche Sie  
> genauere Informationen von uns bekommen werden. Um all das zu  
> leisten, sollen Sie nur 3
> Stunden pro Tag dieser Arbeit widmen und gewiss einen Wunsch, das  
> zu machen, haben. Ihr Lohn am Anfang wird ?900 pro Monat plus 5 %  
> von jeder Transaktion sein.
>
> Wir bieten an:
> -Weitere Training
> -Kariersteigen und pers?nliche Entwicklung
> -Training und Arbeit in einer dynamischen und freundlichen Atmosph?re
> -Wettbewerbsl?hne
> -Lohnsystem plus Bonus, falls Sie gute Ergebnisse haben
>
> F?lls Sie f?r unsere Vakanz Interesse haben oder irgendwelche  
> Fragen an uns stellen m?chten, schreiben Sie bitte an unsere e-mail:
> krauz.woberg245@gmail.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> DMMUG@dmmug.org
> Use this page to modify subscription options:
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>
> Ray Bowler
>
> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>
>
>
>
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From kisley at gmail.com  Fri Jan 30 14:09:11 2009
From: kisley at gmail.com (Keith Isley)
Date: Fri Jan 30 14:09:34 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Job mit Unterbeschaftigung
In-Reply-To: <6ED385D6-5638-4D92-939D-A235256EA1A6@mac.com>
References: <884327538.47516578086637@dcromer>
	<59E695B8-9623-4093-BAD6-FFEE4401A71B@mac.com>
	<79003223-A73A-448D-96ED-FBF894D0EEB4@gmail.com>
	<9B584197-1E55-4DCC-AAFD-859B19997483@mchsi.com>
	<5b440b5c0901301107n13973546tc26bd4df00cea5ed@mail.gmail.com>
	<6ED385D6-5638-4D92-939D-A235256EA1A6@mac.com>
Message-ID: <5b440b5c0901301209y58843a15h2628106a75d3c7c6@mail.gmail.com>

Well, crap - just my luck! I always get sniped on eBay auctions too!
(lol)

KAI

2009/1/30 Holly Welch <hfwelch@mac.com>

> Are you kidding, Keith?  You waited too long! I  already have my plane
> ticket!
>
> On Jan 30, 2009, at 1:07 PM, Keith Isley wrote:
>
> Wait...I want this job!
> (lol)
>
> KAI
>
> 2009/1/30 Ray Bowler <rbowler@mchsi.com>
>
>> Spam.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 30, 2009, at Jan 30, 200911:46 AM, Jeremy Geerdes wrote:
>>
>>  Translation from Google Translate:
>>>
>>> We want to give you a position of financial manager in Focal Financial
>>> Group to offer. Focal Financial Group has developed
>>> successful in the finance market in the course of more than 10 years. We
>>> provide professional financial and investment solutions
>>> private investors and corporations to. Focal Financial Group works on the
>>> market with the incessant
>>> growing potential and with the new possibilities. We open new horizons of
>>> success and thus offer the
>>> modern and current quality of services. Now our company has a vacancy -
>>> the position of the
>>> Financial manager. Specificity of work of such a professional is that
>>> several private bills in the
>>> Transactions used. This is one of the conditions for long-term
>>> cooperation with our customers, because the
>>> for the avoidance of taxation (commission fees for money transfer, the
>>> Bank will be collected) and
>>> Acceleration of the transaction process is used. Tasks of a financial
>>> manager include processing of transactions,
>>> on our bills from our customers to be transferred, for further transfer
>>> of funds among accounts, on which more detailed information from us will
>>> receive. In order to afford all that, you only 3
>>> Hours per day dedicate this work and certainly a desire, to do, have. The
>>> reward at the top will be 900 per month plus 5% from each transaction.
>>>
>>> We offer:
>>> -Further Training
>>> -Kariersteigen and personal development
>>> Training and working in a dynamic and friendly atmosphere
>>> Competition Wages
>>> Wage plus bonus system, if you have good results
>>>
>>> Cases for our vacancy you are interested or have any questions for us,
>>> please write to our e-mail:
>>> krauz.woberg245 @ gmail.com
>>> Detect language
>>>
>>> >
>>> English
>>>
>>> swap
>>> Translate
>>>  Suggest a better translation
>>>
>>> Jeremy R. Geerdes
>>> Effective website design & development
>>> Des Moines, IA
>>>
>>> For more information or a project quote:
>>> http://jgeerdes.home.mchsi.com
>>> http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com
>>> http://jgeerdes.wordpress.com
>>> jgeerdes@mchsi.com
>>>
>>> Unless otherwise noted, any price quotes contained within this
>>> communication are given in US dollars.
>>>
>>> If you're in the Des Moines, IA, area, check out Debra Heights Wesleyan
>>> Church!
>>>
>>> And check out my blog, Adventures in Web Development, at
>>> http://jgeerdes.blogspot.com !
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 30, 2009, at 10:33 AM, Holly Welch wrote:
>>>
>>>  Wir m?chten Ihnen eine Stelle des Finanzmanagers in Focal Financial
>>>>> Group anbieten. Focal Financial Group entwickelte sich
>>>>> erfolgreich auf dem Finanzenmarkt im Laufe von mehr als 10 Jahren. Wir
>>>>> bieten professionelle Finanz- und Investitionsl?sungen
>>>>> privaten Investoren sowie Korporationen an. Focal Financial Group
>>>>> funktioniert auf dem Markt mit dem unaufh?rlich
>>>>> wachsenden Potenzial und mit den neuen M?glichkeiten. Wir ?ffnen neue
>>>>> Horizonte des Erfolgs und bieten auf solche Weise die
>>>>> modernen und aktuellen Qualit?tsdienstleistungen an. Jetzt hat unsere
>>>>> Gesellschaft eine freie Stelle ? die Stelle des
>>>>> Finanzmanagers. Besonderheit von Arbeit eines solchen Fachmannes
>>>>> besteht darin, dass man mehrere private Rechnungen bei der
>>>>> Transaktionen benutzt. Das ist eine der Bedingungen f?r die
>>>>> langfristige Zusammenarbeit mit unseren Kunden, weil das
>>>>> zur Vermeidung der Besteuerung (Kommissionsgeb?hr f?r Geld?berweisung,
>>>>> die von der Bank erhoben wird) und zur
>>>>> Beschleunigung des Transaktionsprozesses dient. Aufgaben eines
>>>>> Finanzmanagers schlie?en Verarbeitung von Transaktionen,
>>>>> die auf unsere Rechnungen von unseren Kunden ?berwiesen werden, weitere
>>>>> ?berweisung der Geldmittel auf Rechnungen, ?ber welche Sie genauere
>>>>> Informationen von uns bekommen werden. Um all das zu leisten, sollen Sie nur
>>>>> 3
>>>>> Stunden pro Tag dieser Arbeit widmen und gewiss einen Wunsch, das zu
>>>>> machen, haben. Ihr Lohn am Anfang wird ?900 pro Monat plus 5 % von jeder
>>>>> Transaktion sein.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wir bieten an:
>>>>> -Weitere Training
>>>>> -Kariersteigen und pers?nliche Entwicklung
>>>>> -Training und Arbeit in einer dynamischen und freundlichen Atmosph?re
>>>>> -Wettbewerbsl?hne
>>>>> -Lohnsystem plus Bonus, falls Sie gute Ergebnisse haben
>>>>>
>>>>> F?lls Sie f?r unsere Vakanz Interesse haben oder irgendwelche Fragen an
>>>>> uns stellen m?chten, schreiben Sie bitte an unsere e-mail:
>>>>> krauz.woberg245@gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> DMMUG mailing list
>>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>>> DMMUG@dmmug.org
>>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
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>>
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>>
>> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From maccelerate at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 30 21:46:19 2009
From: maccelerate at earthlink.net (Matthew W.)
Date: Fri Jan 30 21:46:47 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Seagate drive issues
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It's all cyclical. Don't let it get you down.

Mw

On Jan 28, 2009, at 10:00 AM, CW Smith wrote:

> That sounds like a total mess. The lesson here: don't let management  
> make engineering decisions.
>
> Hopefully a real, permanent fix will come down the pike soon.
>
> Peace,
> CW
>
> ------------------------------------------------
>
> CW Smith
> guitar, bass, percussion, Macintosh
>
> cwsmith7@gmail.com
>
> ------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 28, 2009, at 9:29 AM, David McLaughlin wrote:
>
>> Here are a few  links about the problem
>>
>> Two from Seagate:
>>
>>
>> http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/support/downloads/other_downloads/cuda-fw
>> http://seagate.custkb.com/seagate/crm/selfservice/search.jsp?DocId=207931
>>
>>
>> And one from MacInTouch talking about the problem:
>>
>>
>> http://www.macintouch.com/readerreports/harddrives/index.html
>>
>>
>> And a Slashdot article:
>>
>>
>> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1098793&cid=26542735
>>
>>
>> Seagate disks have been my drives of choice for years, I'm not sure  
>> what to think at this point.
>>
>>
>> David D. McLaughlin
>> webmaster@dmmug.org
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From marruss at crosspaths.net  Sat Jan 31 09:11:50 2009
From: marruss at crosspaths.net (Russ Carlson)
Date: Sat Jan 31 09:12:22 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] iAntivirus (free edition)
Message-ID: <49634.72.29.127.227.1233414710.squirrel@webmail.crosspaths.net>

Has anyone used this application or heard anything good or bad about it?

http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/10854561

Russ Carlson

From rbowler at mchsi.com  Sat Jan 31 11:11:19 2009
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Sat Jan 31 11:11:42 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] iAntivirus (free edition)
In-Reply-To: <49634.72.29.127.227.1233414710.squirrel@webmail.crosspaths.net>
References: <49634.72.29.127.227.1233414710.squirrel@webmail.crosspaths.net>
Message-ID: <D7C1983B-FDC5-45AC-9298-9D8DF2587560@mchsi.com>

Russ,

Since the virus definitions are Mac only ti is very limited if not  
useless. Most of us who have an anti-virus program installed have it  
so that we will not pass on Windows virus to other people. So my  
choices:

Intego Virus Barrier. Very  good, runs in the background and does its  
job. Virus definitions generally updated every month but more  
frequently if needed. About $80.

ClamXav -- a free source program and the command line version is  
Clamav. ClamXav provides a GUI front end. One part of it watches  
downloads. You can schedule a scan when it will not bother you but you  
will not notice it anyway. You can also schedule downloads of virus  
definitions daily.
This is free ware although he would like a donation if you want to  
make one through PayPal. I am running this and like it.
Download site:
	<www.clamxav.com/index.php?page=dl>

On Jan 31, 2009, at Jan 31, 20099:11 AM, Russ Carlson wrote:

> Has anyone used this application or heard anything good or bad about  
> it?
>
> http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/10854561
>
> Russ Carlson
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Sat Jan 31 11:48:59 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sat Jan 31 11:49:30 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Internal Hard Drives shopping
In-Reply-To: <F0898859-E08A-49EA-879E-ED5FB3928CE8@mac-consultant.com>
References: <p06240825c5a7c7f55fa9@10.0.1.192>
	<288616.82216.qm@web110301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<f3c0b4080901300848r4d6300bk7ec75373d7725cf4@mail.gmail.com>
	<F0898859-E08A-49EA-879E-ED5FB3928CE8@mac-consultant.com>
Message-ID: <p06240811c5aa3f8044f7@[10.0.1.192]>

>1TB for $99
>
><http://promotions.newegg.com/NEemail/Jan-0-2009/FreeShipping29/index-landing.html>http://promotions.newegg.com/NEemail/Jan-0-2009/FreeShipping29/index-landing.html

you get what you pay for

Pros: Huge capacity.
Cons: Poor quality control. We have ordered 5 of these drives for 
clients - we are working on RMA #3. The first drive was DOA - click 
of death. The replacement was fine. Then we ordered two more a few 
months later - one seemed fine, the other was DOA - once again the 
COD. A week after installing the seemingly fine drive we are seeing 
signs of failure (had to rebuild a RAID) and hearing ominous sounds 
coming from the drive.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Travel Research/Photography, 
http://www.JourneyZing.com; Lawyer, Discrimination/Civil Rights, Des 
Moines, Iowa http://www.herringlaw.com; personal blog, 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/
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From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 31 12:11:57 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Sat Jan 31 12:12:10 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Internal Hard Drives shopping
In-Reply-To: <p06240811c5aa3f8044f7@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <834053.76739.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

That's too bad. Newegg though was pretty good and helpful when I've bought from them. 


--- On Sat, 1/31/09, Victoria L. Herring <VLH@HerringLaw.com> wrote:

> From: Victoria L. Herring <VLH@HerringLaw.com>
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Internal Hard Drives shopping
> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug@dmmug.org>
> Date: Saturday, January 31, 2009, 11:48 AM
> > 1TB for $99
> > 
> >
> <http://promotions.newegg.com/NEemail/Jan-0-2009/FreeShipping29/index-landing.html>http://promotions.newegg.com/NEemail/Jan-0-2009/FreeShipping29/index-landing.html
> 
> you get what you pay for
> 
> Pros: Huge capacity.
> Cons: Poor quality control. We have ordered 5 of these
> drives for clients - we are working on RMA #3. The first
> drive was DOA - click of death. The replacement was fine.
> Then we ordered two more a few months later - one seemed
> fine, the other was DOA - once again the COD. A week after
> installing the seemingly fine drive we are seeing signs of
> failure (had to rebuild a RAID) and hearing ominous sounds
> coming from the drive.
> -- Victoria L. Herring, Travel Research/Photography,
> http://www.JourneyZing.com; Lawyer, Discrimination/Civil
> Rights, Des Moines, Iowa http://www.herringlaw.com; personal
> blog,
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From noahyamen at me.com  Sat Jan 31 12:30:02 2009
From: noahyamen at me.com (Noah Yamen)
Date: Sat Jan 31 12:30:27 2009
Subject: [DM-MUG] Internal Hard Drives Shopping
Message-ID: <F44352FC-E861-44E1-886B-AC84992D64CA@me.com>

While we're on the topic of hard drives, (and a great excuse to post  
my first message with you all!) I just had my G-Drive Mini take a turn  
for the worse. When i plug it in via firewire 400, the power light  
comes on but the harddrive doesnt spin or turn on. So i tried opening  
disk utility, doesnt show up. I opened up terminal: cd /Volumes and  
ls.... Still doesnt show up. I took the drive out, hooked it up to a  
sata reader, still no luck.

Before I send the thing up to a data recovery center, do you guys have  
any tips/tricks/last resorts I might try? Otherwise Ive lost all of my  
current photoshop web designs... not good when you have projects going  
on currently... :|

Oh and hi, I'm Noah.
