From cdreger at grm.net  Sat Aug  1 18:09:00 2009
From: cdreger at grm.net (D Reger)
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 18:09:00 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Apple Tablet ?
Message-ID: <4A74CB0C.90403@grm.net>

http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/entertainment-industry-approves-apples-tablet-calls-for-christmas-launch-20090728/

Rumours and leaks about a 10" tablet that works like an iPod/iPhone. 
Interesting. But not a netbook, or is it?  Tablet? Take two and call me 
in the morning.

Darlene

From bill.davis at gmail.com  Sat Aug  1 19:13:25 2009
From: bill.davis at gmail.com (Bill Davis)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 19:13:25 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Apple Tablet ?
In-Reply-To: <4A74CB0C.90403@grm.net>
References: <4A74CB0C.90403@grm.net>
Message-ID: <10297EF3-BB47-4AAD-8E6A-AC073997E598@gmail.com>

There have been rumors about an Apple tablet ever since the Newton was  
discontinued back in the 90's. They've never come to anything except  
wishful thinking.  Be nice if they are right, I'd be first in line,  
but I wouldn't hold my breath or make any plans until they actually  
announce a product.  Tablet computers have historically been a failure  
except in certain vertical markets like heathcare.

__________________________
Bill Davis
5214 Meredith Drive
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On Aug 1, 2009, at 6:09 PM, D Reger <cdreger at grm.net> wrote:

> http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/entertainment-industry-approves-apples-tablet-calls-for-christmas-launch-20090728/
>
> Rumours and leaks about a 10" tablet that works like an iPod/iPhone.
> Interesting. But not a netbook, or is it?  Tablet? Take two and call  
> me
> in the morning.
>
> Darlene
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From cwsmith7 at gmail.com  Sat Aug  1 20:52:16 2009
From: cwsmith7 at gmail.com (CW Smith)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 20:52:16 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Apple Tablet ?
In-Reply-To: <4A74CB0C.90403@grm.net>
References: <4A74CB0C.90403@grm.net>
Message-ID: <CA63F9DC-0FCA-4A9C-BED2-C947D26F8EA5@gmail.com>

My rule for Apple-related rumors:

	When Steve announces a product, it's legit. Until then, it's only a  
rumor.

iPhone (in some form) was rumored for almost 5 years before Apple  
actually announced it. Video enabled iPods were rumored for at least a  
couple years before they actually arrived. Other products were/have  
been rumored for years to no fruition. And Apple has sometimes  
announced products that no rumor ever anticipated (Intel Macs for  
example).

The purported prototype bezel for the latest iPhone (kicked around  
rumor sites for months earlier this year) turned out instead to be the  
bezel for a new device by Creative. When the manufacturer for iMac G4  
cases announced that Apple had discontinued orders, the web was abuzz  
with rumors Apple would discontinue the iMac. Instead, a totally  
redesigned iMac G5 was introduced a couple months later.

Never count on, make investment decisions on, or budget tech purchases  
based on Apple product rumors.

Peace,
CW

---------------------------------------------------------

CW Smith
Windows & Macintosh service and repair
Apple Certified Macintosh Technician

Phone: (515) 577-1716
cwsmith7 at gmail.com

"Guitar, bass, percussion, Macintosh"

---------------------------------------------------------

On Aug 1, 2009, at 6:09 PM, D Reger wrote:

> http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/entertainment-industry-approves-apples-tablet-calls-for-christmas-launch-20090728/
>
> Rumours and leaks about a 10" tablet that works like an iPod/iPhone.
> Interesting. But not a netbook, or is it?  Tablet? Take two and call  
> me
> in the morning.
>
> Darlene
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
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> DMMUG at dmmug.org
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Sat Aug  1 10:41:59 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 10:41:59 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] iMac G5 computer for sale -
Message-ID: <p0624080cc69a124ba41f@[10.0.1.192]>

I'm still selling my iMacG5 -- price now is $550 and it's on 
Craigslist, but if you are interested, get in touch with me as soon 
as you can.  Thanks.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From cdreger at grm.net  Sun Aug  2 00:45:16 2009
From: cdreger at grm.net (D Reger)
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 00:45:16 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Apple Tablet ?/ Congrats Sharalyn
In-Reply-To: <CA63F9DC-0FCA-4A9C-BED2-C947D26F8EA5@gmail.com>
References: <4A74CB0C.90403@grm.net>
	<CA63F9DC-0FCA-4A9C-BED2-C947D26F8EA5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A7527EC.4090806@grm.net>

CW Smith wrote:
>
> Bezel for the latest iPhone . . . Never count on, make investment 
> decisions on, or budget tech purchases based on Apple product rumors.
>
Darlene sez . . . The only bezels I'm interested in right now are the 
kind you cut from silver and solder around a rare or unusual stone to 
make a piece of jewelry. As for investments, I'd sure like for silver to 
come down some so I could get some more of that. Don't know much about 
tech. Still, it's interesting conjecture, about the tablet. I think Jobs 
would love to introduce a new blockbuster product.

Macs, computers, iPods, etc., are just a means to an end for me - 
creative expression and marketing of creative expression. And fun.

As a cancer survivor undergoing continued therapy, my energy ebbs amd 
flows. _I can feel for Jobs, knowing how frustrating it is to push 
against the tide of fatigue and low physical energy to accomplish what 
you want to, well, accomplish._ I can't help hoping he's going to market 
another blockbuster. Que sera, sera, though. (Did I spell that right?) 
So Yea! Rah Steve!

On that note, BIG CONGRATS to Sharalyn on publishing your cookbook. You 
are an inspiration! Thanks for that! If you can do all that against all 
those unfavorable circumstances, the rest of us are to be encouraged and 
inspired.

Darlene Reger in Missouri
Mo Rocks, Mo Gems, Mo Fun

From jmuller38 at mchsi.com  Sun Aug  2 13:43:33 2009
From: jmuller38 at mchsi.com (Jeff Muller)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 13:43:33 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] old Filemaker files/Classic mode
Message-ID: <bf02d8a574eb0c8b7bf132152632fc91@mchsi.com>

I'm going to be getting a new iMac, probably this week, but I can't 
find out if my old Filemaker files can be opened by either a current 
version of FM or by Bento (which appears to be "Filemaker Light")? I 
have Filemaker Pro 3 and have several sizeable databases that I've been 
using via Classic OS on my iMac G4 running 10.3.9 for many years. Since 
there will be no Classic on my new iMac, I hate to have to rebuild them 
from scratch.

 From the looks of it, Bento is all the database I need in terms of 
features & capacity. Will Bento open FM 3 files? Do I need to purchase 
FM 10 which is a lot pricier than Bento, and if I do, will it open FM 3 
files? Another solution I've seen mentioned is to somehow upgrade the 
old files to a newer FM version that can be opened by either Bento or 
FM 10. Does anyone know if this is feasible?

As a last resort, are there any 3rd-party options for running Classic 
applications?

Many thanks!
Jeff


From twohy2 at yahoo.com  Sun Aug  2 17:16:00 2009
From: twohy2 at yahoo.com (Richard Twohy)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 15:16:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [DM-MUG] iMac G5 computer for sale -
Message-ID: <526966.71227.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hey, Victoria Herring, Esq-!! ? 8-2-'09
I still haven not sold my iMac G4 (summer of 2002) --which is barely too old EVER to discover Leopardness.
In January this year, I spent my entire monthly SSDI(-$1,008.) on a late-2008 MacBook Pro. But it has only a15-inch screen -- which means 24/7 ?'SQUINTING' for me.
I'd love to think of 'SQUINTING' as a mere state of mind --?but experience (-only anecdotal) says it's a state of disablement.
I am still struggling on no outside income, but do have some?cool skills (-including 99th-p'centile keyboard English editing).
Would you consider a skills-for-hardware trade, in caseyour iMac G5 is
 screened 17-inches or better-??
============== 

Richard Judson Twohy

POB 2233, Iowa City 52244

Voice-Phone: 319-621-5600

    .

Injustice anywhere is a threat 

to justice everywhere.

       -Martin Luther King Jr, from

jail, Birmingham, Alabama (1963)

    .

Fundamental Rights May Not be Put to a Vote.

     - Colorado Supreme Court (1994) 

    .

--- On Sat, 8/1/09, Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com> wrote:

From: Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com>
Subject: [DM-MUG] iMac G5 computer for sale -
To: 
Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 10:41 AM

I'm still selling my iMacG5 -- price now is $550 and it's on 
Craigslist, but if you are interested, get in touch with me as soon 
as you can.? Thanks.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com? [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com? [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/? [personal].
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Sun Aug  2 17:34:17 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 17:34:17 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] iMac G5 computer for sale -
In-Reply-To: <526966.71227.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <526966.71227.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p06240819c69bc4cae775@[10.0.1.192]>

it's a 20" and it's on Craigslist with pics and details.  I don't 
think I want to do bartering, thanks.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From thorgrim at imaginarytower.org  Mon Aug  3 13:49:56 2009
From: thorgrim at imaginarytower.org (David McLaughlin)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 13:49:56 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] old Filemaker files/Classic mode
In-Reply-To: <bf02d8a574eb0c8b7bf132152632fc91@mchsi.com>
References: <bf02d8a574eb0c8b7bf132152632fc91@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <5ECD052D-D95E-4A00-AF08-0E765F5CEEEB@imaginarytower.org>

> As a last resort, are there any 3rd-party options for running Classic
> applications?

There is SheepShaver

http://sheepshaver.cebix.net/

I could get it to run but it would randomly crash on me.  So I gave up  
and just boot an old machine when I need to access classic.

David D. McLaughlin
webmaster at dmmug.org

From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Wed Aug  5 19:01:56 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:01:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [DM-MUG] Apple Tablet ?
In-Reply-To: <4A74CB0C.90403@grm.net>
Message-ID: <947140.65904.qm@web110303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I think a tablet will be about as successful as the Apple TV and the Mac Mini. The iPod touch = iPhone minus the phone function. What I gathered from the article was the tablet would be the bigger (screen) and enhanced version of the iPod touch. 

I'd like to see Apple bridge the gap between computers and TV. They could get the edge, since standard PCs still require the hassle of upgrades to be hooked into a HD or any sort of TV and cable capture.

Angela Bennett
metro PHX, AZ. 

--- On Sat, 8/1/09, D Reger <cdreger at grm.net> wrote:

> From: D Reger <cdreger at grm.net>
> Subject: [DM-MUG] Apple Tablet ?
> To: "MUG Des Moines" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 6:09 PM
> http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/entertainment-industry-approves-apples-tablet-calls-for-christmas-launch-20090728/
> 
> Rumours and leaks about a 10" tablet that works like an
> iPod/iPhone. 
> Interesting. But not a netbook, or is it?? Tablet?
> Take two and call me 
> in the morning.
> 
> Darlene
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
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From studias at msn.com  Wed Aug  5 19:52:13 2009
From: studias at msn.com (Geoffrey Stevens)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:52:13 -0700
Subject: [DM-MUG] Apple Tablet ?
In-Reply-To: <947140.65904.qm@web110303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <4A74CB0C.90403@grm.net>
	<947140.65904.qm@web110303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY102-W268BCDAA7079FC2FFC7367A80A0@phx.gbl>


A tablet is a good idea, or I should say was a good idea four years ago.
Apple has to keep itself ahead of the pack. The pack of Pre's and google's are bitting at its heels.
Pull some tricks out of its magic bag - dazzle us - shock and aha us with some of its alien technologies it greened from crashed UFOs. Ha!

> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:01:56 -0700
> From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com
> To: dmmug at dmmug.org
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Apple Tablet ?
> 
> I think a tablet will be about as successful as the Apple TV and the Mac Mini. The iPod touch = iPhone minus the phone function. What I gathered from the article was the tablet would be the bigger (screen) and enhanced version of the iPod touch. 
> 
> I'd like to see Apple bridge the gap between computers and TV. They could get the edge, since standard PCs still require the hassle of upgrades to be hooked into a HD or any sort of TV and cable capture.
> 
> Angela Bennett
> metro PHX, AZ. 
> 
> --- On Sat, 8/1/09, D Reger <cdreger at grm.net> wrote:
> 
> > From: D Reger <cdreger at grm.net>
> > Subject: [DM-MUG] Apple Tablet ?
> > To: "MUG Des Moines" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> > Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 6:09 PM
> > http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/entertainment-industry-approves-apples-tablet-calls-for-christmas-launch-20090728/
> > 
> > Rumours and leaks about a 10" tablet that works like an
> > iPod/iPhone. 
> > Interesting. But not a netbook, or is it?  Tablet?
> > Take two and call me 
> > in the morning.
> > 
> > Darlene
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Use this Address to send mail to the list:
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> 
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From cdreger at grm.net  Thu Aug  6 12:47:10 2009
From: cdreger at grm.net (D Reger)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 12:47:10 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Apple Tablet ? TV
In-Reply-To: <947140.65904.qm@web110303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <947140.65904.qm@web110303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4A7B171E.9010405@grm.net>

Wow, Phoenix? Can I come visit? (Winter.)(Agate hunting.)(Tucson Gem 
Shows, Quartsite Powwow time.)

Ditto on like to see the TV direction. Time will tell on all. Have seen 
a lot in the magazines about tv on mac mini(!) and other things  and 
various ways to hook up. Would like to see it simpler. But anything that 
is not a rock/gem is complicated to me.

Darlene in Missouri
Mo Gems, Mo Rocks, Mo Fun


AB wrote:
> I think a tablet will be about as successful as the Apple TV and the Mac Mini. The iPod touch = iPhone minus the phone function. What I gathered from the article was the tablet would be the bigger (screen) and enhanced version of the iPod touch. 
>
> I'd like to see Apple bridge the gap between computers and TV. They could get the edge, since standard PCs still require the hassle of upgrades to be hooked into a HD or any sort of TV and cable capture.
>
> Angela Bennett
> metro PHX, AZ. 
>
> --- On Sat, 8/1/09, D Reger <cdreger at grm.net> wrote:
>
>   
>
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>
>   


From studias at msn.com  Thu Aug  6 12:59:22 2009
From: studias at msn.com (Geoffrey Stevens)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 10:59:22 -0700
Subject: [DM-MUG] Apple Tablet ? TV
In-Reply-To: <4A7B171E.9010405@grm.net>
References: <947140.65904.qm@web110303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<4A7B171E.9010405@grm.net>
Message-ID: <BAY102-W11DD0D79AE629A7D13AFE9A80A0@phx.gbl>


114?, Ouch!
Lots of empty brand new commercial properties and real estate for sale signs ... so nothing is new. Ha Ha
Can't wait to be back in cool, green DSM.
peace Geoff


> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 12:47:10 -0500
> From: cdreger at grm.net
> To: dmmug at dmmug.org
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Apple Tablet ? TV
> 
> Wow, Phoenix? Can I come visit? (Winter.)(Agate hunting.)(Tucson Gem 
> Shows, Quartsite Powwow time.)
> 
> Ditto on like to see the TV direction. Time will tell on all. Have seen 
> a lot in the magazines about tv on mac mini(!) and other things  and 
> various ways to hook up. Would like to see it simpler. But anything that 
> is not a rock/gem is complicated to me.
> 
> Darlene in Missouri
> Mo Gems, Mo Rocks, Mo Fun
> 
> 
> AB wrote:
> > I think a tablet will be about as successful as the Apple TV and the Mac Mini. The iPod touch = iPhone minus the phone function. What I gathered from the article was the tablet would be the bigger (screen) and enhanced version of the iPod touch. 
> >
> > I'd like to see Apple bridge the gap between computers and TV. They could get the edge, since standard PCs still require the hassle of upgrades to be hooked into a HD or any sort of TV and cable capture.
> >
> > Angela Bennett
> > metro PHX, AZ. 
> >
> > --- On Sat, 8/1/09, D Reger <cdreger at grm.net> wrote:
> >
> >   
> >
> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
> >
> >   
> 
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Thu Aug  6 14:46:06 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:46:06 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Apple Tablet ? TV
In-Reply-To: <4A7B171E.9010405@grm.net>
References: <947140.65904.qm@web110303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<4A7B171E.9010405@grm.net>
Message-ID: <p06240843c6a0e357b118@[10.0.1.192]>

I run TV off my Mini = I use EyeTV Hybrid stick thingie and watch TV 
on a separate monitor and when I wnat to use the Mini [it's sort of a 
backup server] then I can do that...
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From sabeakler at aol.com  Thu Aug  6 16:20:08 2009
From: sabeakler at aol.com (sabeakler at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 17:20:08 -0400
Subject: [DM-MUG] Apple/Palm
In-Reply-To: <p06240843c6a0e357b118@[10.0.1.192]>
References: <p06240843c6a0e357b118@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <8CBE4F2CEF91F9B-15F8-500@FWM-D39.sysops.aol.com>

I just wish Apple/Palm would end their feud.  When I bought a desktop a 
few years back, it came with Palm loaded.  I built my mailing list and 
calendar around the Palm application.  It contains all the birthdays, 
anniversaries, etc. as well as my holiday greeting card list that 
addresses my Christmas cards.  I recently purchased a MacBook and 
changed my cell phone,  I'm with Verizon and don't want to switch as 
several family members are also on Verizon so air time is practically 
free.  I bought the Palm Centro.  The software conflicts and the cell 
phone will talk to the Apple applications (Address Book and iCal) but 
not the Palm.  The Palm allows me to address envelopes of varying sizes 
(necessary for Christmas cards) & I haven't been able to figure that 
out on AddressBook).  Subsequently, I bought "Missing Sync," a third 
party application that is supposed to correct the problem.  It erased 
EVERYTHING in the MacBook Palm application.

I know there is a conflict between Palm & Apple, but shouldn't Apple 
take a look at making our lives easier rather than making it impossible?




From treeguy at q.com  Fri Aug  7 16:11:20 2009
From: treeguy at q.com (Doug Blakely)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 16:11:20 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] PC laptop
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP699A5119717A381AC6DCEA90B0@phx.gbl>

I am in need of a functioning PC laptop with a dedicated 9 pin serial port.
Adapting from a USB to 9 pin will not work for this application involving
older software utilized for function adjustments on an aerial lift that is
out of production.

Doug Blakely
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From dean at webbwireless.net  Fri Aug  7 16:20:04 2009
From: dean at webbwireless.net (Dean L.)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 16:20:04 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] IMac Memory
Message-ID: <BA11B11A-930D-41A6-BBCA-3E224134BD8E@webbwireless.net>

I have an IMac  2 Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo computer that I just added two  
memory cards to.
Now I have the Original 1 Ghz card.   If someone would make me an  
offer I will mail it to you.
I live close to Spencer or Milford if you want to pick it up.
73  Dean  W5GXL

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From newz at bearfruit.org  Fri Aug  7 17:19:35 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 17:19:35 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] PC laptop
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP699A5119717A381AC6DCEA90B0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP699A5119717A381AC6DCEA90B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080908071519i7760c4acoe7fb19e7b69e5874@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Doug Blakely <treeguy at q.com> wrote:

>  I am in need of a functioning PC laptop with a dedicated 9 pin serial
> port. Adapting from a USB to 9 pin will not work for this application
> involving older software utilized for function adjustments on an aerial lift
> that is out of production.
>

Presumably the reason why you need a real 9 pin serial port is because the
voltage levels of a USB to serial adapter are not within spec. This is
common, instead the voltages are close enough for most purposes and work
fine. However they don't work fine for some devices that depend on the
negative voltages provided on a conformant serial port. If that is the case
then almost no laptop made in close to recent times will satisfy your needs.

It just so happens that I have a Dell Latitude D420 with a media base for
sale and the media base has a 9 pin serial port. Again, if it's the voltage
levels you need I don't know that this will help you. I had it listed on
craig's list for $550 but I think it was priced too high. Instead I'm about
to re-list it for $450. If you want to give it a try to see if it will work
for your needs you're welcome to it, and if it works then you can buy it.
The media base is a small slice with extra ports that attaches to the bottom
of the computer. It's detachable so you can leave it on your desk if you
want to travel light. With the media base detached it's pretty comparable to
a Mac Book Air in size and performance.

Here are the details:

Dell Latitude D420 Ultra Portable Dual Core Laptop with Extended Battery &
Docking StationTHIS IS A PREMIUM COMPUTER IN EXCELLENT CONDITION WITH ALL
THE EXTRAS. They don't sell anything like this in Best Buy.

I have a new computer so am parting with my trusty Latitude. It's a great
computer if you move around. The computer is in tip-top shape w/ a recently
replaced hard drive and a brand new keyboard. It will feel like brand new.

Screen is in great condition, no scratches or dead pixels

Battery gets a healthy 4 - 5 hours of life in airplane mode (wifi off,
screen dimmed) - that's when it's running Linux, supposedly Win XP has even
better power management so maybe you'll get even better performance.

My favorite features:

   - Very light-weight. 3.5 lbs w/ extended battery
   - Easy to carry around
   - Docking station/media bay - leave it on your desk w/ your cables
   plugged into it and undock while on the go
   - Extra power cord - the default clunky power adapter is included as well
   as the "Slim auto/air/ac adapter" which is much more portable and works in
   cars and airplanes. Both adapters work w/ foreign power supplies.
   - Dual core cpu - once you've had a dual core you cannot go back. It's so
   uncommon for the computer to freeze up because something is using up all of
   your CPU

About the Intel Core Duo ULV processor

Like the Mac Book Air this lattitude has the "ULV" series of CPU. They're
designed for lower power usage so that you get longer battery life. It has
all the benefits of a core duo. Including virtualization support, so you can
run Windows or Linux in a virtual machine at full speed. The click is 1.2GHz
which sounds slow but these cpus are actually quite fast. I think they have
extra cache on the cpu.

This computer has the full Intel 965 / centrino chipset including the 3d
decelerator. It's got business quality 3d graphics. Games run fine, not
super. In Linux 3d acceleration works great. Presumably Vista would as well.

About Operating System (XP, Linux, Ubuntu)

I use Ubuntu. I've never used XP on this computer but it does come w/ a
valid certificate of authenticity and serial number on the bottom for XP
Professional. I'll include a copy of the XP pro CD. However the computer
ships with Ubuntu pre-installed. Because this is a business grade Latitude
computer Dell offers superb support for installing and customizing Windows.
You can find all the necessary software and drivers on their support
web-page. There is a number on every dell computer - just enter it on the
dell support site and you'll get everything you need - manuals, drivers,
updates, help, etc.

The Screen

12" widescreen high def (720p) at 1280x800 resolution. Works great.
Non-glare. It's getting harder to get non-glare screens and my new laptop
does not have it. I miss it sorely. Laptop has VGA out, docking station has
VGA + DVI outputs. Works great with projectors. Excellent for presentations.

Problems with this computer

There are none. Screen is excellent. Case is excellent. Keyboard was just
replaced because I broke a key off it. I've only used the computer w/ the
new keyboard twice and it feels like brand new. Battery is still good and
has about 4 - 5 hours of life in it. A new extended capacity battery will
give you 6 - 7 hours of life so it is diminished from it's original
capacity. The screenshot attached below shows powertop, the Ubuntu power
management tool, showing the power usage and expected battery life. This is
in airplane mode of course... wireless disabled, screen dimmed slightly.
You'll get 3 hours of life running lots of apps, screen fully bright and
wifi on.

Full list of features

   - 2GB of RAM
   - Ultra Low Voltage (ULV) Intel Core Duo 1.2GHz cpu (like the macbook
   air)
   - 160GB hard drive (the largest you can get in the 1.8" format) - drive
   is less than 6 months old so should last a while
   - Wifi built in (802.11 G)
   - Extended capacity battery (gets about 4 hours of battery life - see
   attached image)
   - Very very light weight system 3.5 lbs w/ the extended battery - my fav
   feature
   - 2 power adapters - one full size, one slim auto/air/ac. Leave one
   plugged into your docking station on your desk, use the slim one for travel.
   - Smart card reader
   - SD card reader
   - Docking station w/ DVD/CD burner
   - Intel 965 chipset/graphics
   - USB Bluetooth
   - New keyboard
   - Touch pad and pointing stick navigation, use which ever you like
   - Windows XP Pro sticker on bottom of computer, copy of the XP pro
   install CD included
   - Runs Ubuntu great - Ubuntu is pre-installed - 3d accelerated graphics
   work good
   - The Intel CPU supports virtualization capability so you can run an
   Windows in Ubuntu or Ubuntu in Windows w/ no performance penalty
   - Expansion slot and SIM card slot for mobile broadband so that you don't
   have to have a usb device hanging off your computer if you use mobile
   broadband - you will have to find your own card that works w/ your carrier
   though
   - Lots of ports - laptop has vga, sound, ethernet, firewire, modem (never
   used that) and several USB. Docking station adds serial, parallel and DVI



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From woohoowoohoo at me.com  Fri Aug  7 20:37:19 2009
From: woohoowoohoo at me.com (mauri)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 20:37:19 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] TuneRanger... Help!!
Message-ID: <B266BF4D-33F9-4A24-8730-C31E249A90CD@me.com>

Has anyone used TuneRanger to sync two iTunes libraries?

~~ mauri booton ~~

From tyrrell69 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 13 13:37:36 2009
From: tyrrell69 at gmail.com (Chris Tyrrell)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 13:37:36 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Reevaluating Qwest DSL vs. Mediacom cable after 2 yrs.
Message-ID: <54c5ebf40908131137m3ba4eb20n2e901e2cf04f396a@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all.

My sincere apologies to those inconvenienced by off-topic posts.

I'm approaching the two year anniversary of my switch from Mediacom to Qwest
DSL/DirecTV, so my bundle contract is nearing expiration. I was never
displeased with Mediacom, but thought I'd be saving money, but I don't think
I probably am.

I'm going to call Mediacom to explore my options, but I'm sure I'll get
better information here (I could write a dissertation about how Mac users
are Mac users because they are better informed). I'd be grateful to hear
your experiences in comparing the two, assuming others have been where I am
now.

So, I'm paying for Qwest 8Mb DSL service, though <3 Mb is the best they can
deliver in my 'hood (SE Waukee). It's reliable and generally fast enough. My
DSL feeds my flying saucer Airport, which is used by one G4 desktop, two G4
iBooks, an iPod Touch, and the ThinkPad I carry home from work.

Cable was faster of course, but not as fast as it could have been, again a
limitation of my location. One Mediacom tech explained how overcrowed their
infrastructure is for serving my area. It was as if all of the western
'burbs went through a single bottleneck in a little building over in the
vicinity of Jordan Creek & Ashworth. Cable was slightly less reliable in my
experience, but hardly problematic.

I also have DirecTV HD DVR service, which allows me to record two shows
while watching a third. No premium channels. There are only a few shows
worthy of recording, and they are generally on at about the same time, and
always before the kids are in bed which means I won't be seeing them as
they're broadcast. Two other TVs in the house (one is HD, other is SD) each
have a plain DirecTV SD box, no DVR.

Cable TV was OK. I understand they have added HD channels in the last two
years. DirecTV boasts about their number of HD channels, but aside from the
few that I actually watch, the number doesn't matter to me. Both offer music
channels (yawn).

DirecTV now offers VOD, but it requires an ethernet feed so I haven't tried
it - I'd need a router between my modem and my Airport and really long
RJ-45. Mediacom on demand was cool, but often timed out.

I never did have Mediacom phone service and won't consider it, so I'll be
sticking with my Qwest land line. Neighbors had horrible trouble and
eventually abandoned Mediacom phone service.

I can't tell you what I'm paying, but my wife/budget keeper tells me it's
about the same.

What say you? Is there a reason to return to cable? Is there a market for
used DirecTV equipment?


Cheers,
Chris
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From jlagnese at mac.com  Thu Aug 13 13:52:53 2009
From: jlagnese at mac.com (James Lagnese)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 13:52:53 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Reevaluating Qwest DSL vs. Mediacom cable after 2 yrs.
In-Reply-To: <54c5ebf40908131137m3ba4eb20n2e901e2cf04f396a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54c5ebf40908131137m3ba4eb20n2e901e2cf04f396a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <160408439600655505181849853683829724636-Webmail@me.com>

If I recall, Mediacom has some terrible upload speeds, like 256K or 512K. May be this isn't an issue for some, but I do a lot of VPN from home to work and the speed up and down makes a difference. I wouldn't switch because of this. 

 
On Thursday, August 13, 2009, at 01:37PM, "Chris Tyrrell" <tyrrell69 at gmail.com> wrote:
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From studias at msn.com  Thu Aug 13 14:48:03 2009
From: studias at msn.com (Geoffrey Stevens)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 12:48:03 -0700
Subject: [DM-MUG] Reevaluating Qwest DSL vs. Mediacom cable after 2 yrs.
In-Reply-To: <54c5ebf40908131137m3ba4eb20n2e901e2cf04f396a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54c5ebf40908131137m3ba4eb20n2e901e2cf04f396a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY102-W1632BBE38D53A50A9A71FEA8050@phx.gbl>


Chris,

I have had MSN dial-up in my home in Waterbury for years for $12.95. It was on a one-line older home. One might call me cheep, but my wife and I seemed to work around the inconvenience and it worked well and maybe it was OK ... I would update software online at night and over the weekends - some times the software update would take days. Like 38 hours for the down loads to complete! I figured out with the mac how to make it pick up the download where I left off if someone needed to use the phone. 

I took the bite of Qwest promotions and I am now with lowest rung of DSL. Qwest lies ofcourse, they try to talk you in to locking in your price for life but I don't think prices will go up - so I am going to gamble and take my chances. I can always fire them for a month. Ha

Mediacom is a joke, but they can be manulipuadeted and they will deal with you on cable services. They will let you go on vacation service for six months for something like $5 a month. With digatal over-the-air TV I just watch PBS any ways. The 300 cable channels drive me crazy and the ads are for the birds.

peace all,

Geoff





Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 13:37:36 -0500
From: tyrrell69 at gmail.com
To: dmmug at dmmug.org
Subject: [DM-MUG] Reevaluating Qwest DSL vs. Mediacom cable after 2 yrs.

Hi all.

My sincere apologies to those inconvenienced by off-topic posts.

I'm approaching the two year anniversary of my switch from Mediacom to Qwest DSL/DirecTV, so my bundle contract is nearing expiration. I was never displeased with Mediacom, but thought I'd be saving money, but I don't think I probably am.


I'm going to call Mediacom to explore my options, but I'm sure I'll get better information here (I could write a dissertation about how Mac users are Mac users because they are better informed). I'd be grateful to hear your experiences in comparing the two, assuming others have been where I am now.


So, I'm paying for Qwest 8Mb DSL service, though <3 Mb is the best they can deliver in my 'hood (SE Waukee). It's reliable and generally fast enough. My DSL feeds my flying saucer Airport, which is used by one G4 desktop, two G4 iBooks, an iPod Touch, and the ThinkPad I carry home from work.


Cable was faster of course, but not as fast as it could have been, again a limitation of my location. One Mediacom tech explained how overcrowed their infrastructure is for serving my area. It was as if all of the western 'burbs went through a single bottleneck in a little building over in the vicinity of Jordan Creek & Ashworth. Cable was slightly less reliable in my experience, but hardly problematic.


I also have DirecTV HD DVR service, which allows me to record two shows while watching a third. No premium channels. There are only a few shows worthy of recording, and they are generally on at about the same time, and always before the kids are in bed which means I won't be seeing them as they're broadcast. Two other TVs in the house  (one is HD, other is SD) each have a plain DirecTV SD box, no DVR.


Cable TV was OK. I understand they have added HD channels in the last two years. DirecTV boasts about their number of HD channels, but aside from the few that I actually watch, the number doesn't matter to me. Both offer music channels (yawn).


DirecTV now offers VOD, but it requires an ethernet feed so I haven't tried it - I'd need a router between my modem and my Airport and really long RJ-45. Mediacom on demand was cool, but often timed out.


I never did have Mediacom phone service and won't consider it, so I'll be sticking with my Qwest land line. Neighbors had horrible trouble and eventually abandoned Mediacom phone service.

I can't tell you what I'm paying, but my wife/budget keeper tells me it's about the same.


What say you? Is there a reason to return to cable? Is there a market for used DirecTV equipment?


Cheers,
Chris
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From djweis at internetsolver.com  Thu Aug 13 14:56:25 2009
From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:56:25 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Reevaluating Qwest DSL vs. Mediacom cable after 2 yrs.
In-Reply-To: <54c5ebf40908131137m3ba4eb20n2e901e2cf04f396a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54c5ebf40908131137m3ba4eb20n2e901e2cf04f396a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A846FE9.6050704@internetsolver.com>


Chris Tyrrell wrote:
> So, I'm paying for Qwest 8Mb DSL service, though <3 Mb is the best they 
> can deliver in my 'hood (SE Waukee). It's reliable and generally fast 
> enough. My DSL feeds my flying saucer Airport, which is used by one G4 
> desktop, two G4 iBooks, an iPod Touch, and the ThinkPad I carry home 
> from work.

The fastest they would sell to you would be 7 megs but I think you're 
far enough from the CO that you're probably on a 3 or 5 meg speed. The 
pricing is the same for 3, 5, and 7 however.

> I never did have Mediacom phone service and won't consider it, so I'll 
> be sticking with my Qwest land line. Neighbors had horrible trouble and 
> eventually abandoned Mediacom phone service.

That's probably a good idea...

> What say you? Is there a reason to return to cable? Is there a market 
> for used DirecTV equipment?

I have basic cable, my own Internet service, and my own phone service, 
so my prices are artificially low :-)

I don't think you 'own' the directv equipment even though they charge 
you for it. If you do cancel they will occasionally ask for you to mail 
it back.

I would say stick with DSL, landline, and DirecTV. It all does jump a 
bit when your promotions expire though...


-- 
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515-224-9229
djweis at internetsolver.com
http://www.internetsolver.com/
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http://www.internetsolver.com/completesupport/

From rbowler at mchsi.com  Thu Aug 13 15:05:12 2009
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:05:12 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Reevaluating Qwest DSL vs. Mediacom cable after 2 yrs.
In-Reply-To: <54c5ebf40908131137m3ba4eb20n2e901e2cf04f396a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54c5ebf40908131137m3ba4eb20n2e901e2cf04f396a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1B5DE358-7A44-458A-850E-60E03DE62F52@mchsi.com>

Since you asked Mediacom I'll express my anger.  I live in Carlisle so  
my experience may differ from others. We just had an outage of the  
internet server for two days and when I dialed service I heard a  
recording that people in Iowa were experiencing intermittent down  
time.  The television was fine and the phone only had a couple of  
outages for a short period of time. Several weeks ago both the  
internet and the phone were down for a several days. Plus we have over  
the last month had intermittent outages of both phone and internet  
which only last a few minutes. I have hesitated to call because if has  
cleared up they will have little to work on. I am really about to  
switch the phone to Qwest and consider DSL

Has anyone else had this kind of problem?

On Aug 13, 2009, at Aug 13, 20091:37 PM, Chris Tyrrell wrote:

> Hi all.
>
> My sincere apologies to those inconvenienced by off-topic posts.
>
> I'm approaching the two year anniversary of my switch from Mediacom  
> to Qwest DSL/DirecTV, so my bundle contract is nearing expiration. I  
> was never displeased with Mediacom, but thought I'd be saving money,  
> but I don't think I probably am.
>
> I'm going to call Mediacom to explore my options, but I'm sure I'll  
> get better information here (I could write a dissertation about how  
> Mac users are Mac users because they are better informed). I'd be  
> grateful to hear your experiences in comparing the two, assuming  
> others have been where I am now.
>
> So, I'm paying for Qwest 8Mb DSL service, though <3 Mb is the best  
> they can deliver in my 'hood (SE Waukee). It's reliable and  
> generally fast enough. My DSL feeds my flying saucer Airport, which  
> is used by one G4 desktop, two G4 iBooks, an iPod Touch, and the  
> ThinkPad I carry home from work.
>
> Cable was faster of course, but not as fast as it could have been,  
> again a limitation of my location. One Mediacom tech explained how  
> overcrowed their infrastructure is for serving my area. It was as if  
> all of the western 'burbs went through a single bottleneck in a  
> little building over in the vicinity of Jordan Creek & Ashworth.  
> Cable was slightly less reliable in my experience, but hardly  
> problematic.
>
> I also have DirecTV HD DVR service, which allows me to record two  
> shows while watching a third. No premium channels. There are only a  
> few shows worthy of recording, and they are generally on at about  
> the same time, and always before the kids are in bed which means I  
> won't be seeing them as they're broadcast. Two other TVs in the  
> house (one is HD, other is SD) each have a plain DirecTV SD box, no  
> DVR.
>
> Cable TV was OK. I understand they have added HD channels in the  
> last two years. DirecTV boasts about their number of HD channels,  
> but aside from the few that I actually watch, the number doesn't  
> matter to me. Both offer music channels (yawn).
>
> DirecTV now offers VOD, but it requires an ethernet feed so I  
> haven't tried it - I'd need a router between my modem and my Airport  
> and really long RJ-45. Mediacom on demand was cool, but often timed  
> out.
>
> I never did have Mediacom phone service and won't consider it, so  
> I'll be sticking with my Qwest land line. Neighbors had horrible  
> trouble and eventually abandoned Mediacom phone service.
>
> I can't tell you what I'm paying, but my wife/budget keeper tells me  
> it's about the same.
>
> What say you? Is there a reason to return to cable? Is there a  
> market for used DirecTV equipment?
>
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
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From big.smelly at gmail.com  Thu Aug 13 15:34:44 2009
From: big.smelly at gmail.com (Chris R)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:34:44 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Reevaluating Qwest DSL vs. Mediacom cable after 2 yrs.
In-Reply-To: <1B5DE358-7A44-458A-850E-60E03DE62F52@mchsi.com>
References: <54c5ebf40908131137m3ba4eb20n2e901e2cf04f396a@mail.gmail.com>
	<1B5DE358-7A44-458A-850E-60E03DE62F52@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <EB443317-CDFA-4DCA-9A14-AC3B4B3C9A21@gmail.com>

2 years ago I had the exact same problems with mediacom. Unexplained  
loss of service blamed on faulty nodes and pirated cable.  
Inconsistant dl and ul speeds. Some days I would get 15mbs some days  
1.5, really. It went from faster than T1 speeds to slower than dial  
up for no apperant reason. Customer service is very poor. I've used  
quest dsl for a couple of years and only had problems when I tried to  
go to the 12 mb speed. Good luck. Also why does the qwest Des Moines  
call center suck. I've had to deal with them on some billing of my  
qwest bundle and they dont listen, fix problems that werent problems  
and have a very bad attitude. I had much better luck dealing with the  
salt lake city office. Chris

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On Aug 13, 2009, at 3:05 PM, Ray Bowler wrote:

> Since you asked Mediacom I'll express my anger.  I live in Carlisle  
> so my experience may differ from others. We just had an outage of  
> the internet server for two days and when I dialed service I heard  
> a recording that people in Iowa were experiencing intermittent down  
> time.  The television was fine and the phone only had a couple of  
> outages for a short period of time. Several weeks ago both the  
> internet and the phone were down for a several days. Plus we have  
> over the last month had intermittent outages of both phone and  
> internet which only last a few minutes. I have hesitated to call  
> because if has cleared up they will have little to work on. I am  
> really about to switch the phone to Qwest and consider DSL
>
> Has anyone else had this kind of problem?
>
> On Aug 13, 2009, at Aug 13, 20091:37 PM, Chris Tyrrell wrote:
>
>> Hi all.
>>
>> My sincere apologies to those inconvenienced by off-topic posts.
>>
>> I'm approaching the two year anniversary of my switch from  
>> Mediacom to Qwest DSL/DirecTV, so my bundle contract is nearing  
>> expiration. I was never displeased with Mediacom, but thought I'd  
>> be saving money, but I don't think I probably am.
>>
>> I'm going to call Mediacom to explore my options, but I'm sure  
>> I'll get better information here (I could write a dissertation  
>> about how Mac users are Mac users because they are better  
>> informed). I'd be grateful to hear your experiences in comparing  
>> the two, assuming others have been where I am now.
>>
>> So, I'm paying for Qwest 8Mb DSL service, though <3 Mb is the best  
>> they can deliver in my 'hood (SE Waukee). It's reliable and  
>> generally fast enough. My DSL feeds my flying saucer Airport,  
>> which is used by one G4 desktop, two G4 iBooks, an iPod Touch, and  
>> the ThinkPad I carry home from work.
>>
>> Cable was faster of course, but not as fast as it could have been,  
>> again a limitation of my location. One Mediacom tech explained how  
>> overcrowed their infrastructure is for serving my area. It was as  
>> if all of the western 'burbs went through a single bottleneck in a  
>> little building over in the vicinity of Jordan Creek & Ashworth.  
>> Cable was slightly less reliable in my experience, but hardly  
>> problematic.
>>
>> I also have DirecTV HD DVR service, which allows me to record two  
>> shows while watching a third. No premium channels. There are only  
>> a few shows worthy of recording, and they are generally on at  
>> about the same time, and always before the kids are in bed which  
>> means I won't be seeing them as they're broadcast. Two other TVs  
>> in the house (one is HD, other is SD) each have a plain DirecTV SD  
>> box, no DVR.
>>
>> Cable TV was OK. I understand they have added HD channels in the  
>> last two years. DirecTV boasts about their number of HD channels,  
>> but aside from the few that I actually watch, the number doesn't  
>> matter to me. Both offer music channels (yawn).
>>
>> DirecTV now offers VOD, but it requires an ethernet feed so I  
>> haven't tried it - I'd need a router between my modem and my  
>> Airport and really long RJ-45. Mediacom on demand was cool, but  
>> often timed out.
>>
>> I never did have Mediacom phone service and won't consider it, so  
>> I'll be sticking with my Qwest land line. Neighbors had horrible  
>> trouble and eventually abandoned Mediacom phone service.
>>
>> I can't tell you what I'm paying, but my wife/budget keeper tells  
>> me it's about the same.
>>
>> What say you? Is there a reason to return to cable? Is there a  
>> market for used DirecTV equipment?
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Chris
>> _______________________________________________
>> DMMUG mailing list
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From jrearick at bobbis.net  Thu Aug 13 18:34:39 2009
From: jrearick at bobbis.net (John Rearick)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:34:39 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Reevaluating Qwest DSL vs. Mediacom cable after 2 yrs.
Message-ID: <85D806F4-CDD5-404B-A0E8-36F09269E7E2@bobbis.net>

Depending on where you live, Mediacom for internet can be decent.  If  
you are in a overloaded area, it can really suck.

Mediacom offers several levels of Internet service.  The lowest  
starting at 3MB down and (i think) 512K up.  The middle of the road  
service is 8MB down and 1MB up, then they have the 20 MB down service.

Currently, I just set up Mediacom for TV and Internet at my new house  
in Nevada (serviced by Ames). I've had it for a week now and they  
didn't get me the TV package I ordered, and when I called to get it  
they couldn't get it working.  Also, every evening the cable modem  
craps out for several hours.  It takes them a full week to get someone  
out to look at the problem.  They will be in sometime between 8am and  
noon, no evening hours. I've had mediacom in several locations, and it  
seems the customer service is lacking, but once the service is running  
i don't usually run into many problems.

The way I see it, just about every service provider sucks.

John

On Aug 13, 2009, at 1:52 PM, James Lagnese wrote:

> If I recall, Mediacom has some terrible upload speeds, like 256K or  
> 512K. May be this isn't an issue for some, but I do a lot of VPN  
> from home to work and the speed up and down makes a difference. I  
> wouldn't switch because of this.
>
>
> On Thursday, August 13, 2009, at 01:37PM, "Chris Tyrrell" <tyrrell69 at gmail.com 
> > wrote:
> >_______________________________________________
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> Hi all.
>
> My sincere apologies to those inconvenienced by off-topic posts.
>
> I'm approaching the two year anniversary of my switch from Mediacom  
> to Qwest DSL/DirecTV, so my bundle contract is nearing expiration. I  
> was never displeased with Mediacom, but thought I'd be saving money,  
> but I don't think I probably am.
>
> I'm going to call Mediacom to explore my options, but I'm sure I'll  
> get better information here (I could write a dissertation about how  
> Mac users are Mac users because they are better informed). I'd be  
> grateful to hear your experiences in comparing the two, assuming  
> others have been where I am now.
>
> So, I'm paying for Qwest 8Mb DSL service, though <3 Mb is the best  
> they can deliver in my 'hood (SE Waukee). It's reliable and  
> generally fast enough. My DSL feeds my flying saucer Airport, which  
> is used by one G4 desktop, two G4 iBooks, an iPod Touch, and the  
> ThinkPad I carry home from work.
>
> Cable was faster of course, but not as fast as it could have been,  
> again a limitation of my location. One Mediacom tech explained how  
> overcrowed their infrastructure is for serving my area. It was as if  
> all of the western 'burbs went through a single bottleneck in a  
> little building over in the vicinity of Jordan Creek & Ashworth.  
> Cable was slightly less reliable in my experience, but hardly  
> problematic.
>
> I also have DirecTV HD DVR service, which allows me to record two  
> shows while watching a third. No premium channels. There are only a  
> few shows worthy of recording, and they are generally on at about  
> the same time, and always before the kids are in bed which means I  
> won't be seeing them as they're broadcast. Two other TVs in the  
> house (one is HD, other is SD) each have a plain DirecTV SD box, no  
> DVR.
>
> Cable TV was OK. I understand they have added HD channels in the  
> last two years. DirecTV boasts about their number of HD channels,  
> but aside from the few that I actually watch, the number doesn't  
> matter to me. Both offer music channels (yawn).
>
> DirecTV now offers VOD, but it requires an ethernet feed so I  
> haven't tried it - I'd need a router between my modem and my Airport  
> and really long RJ-45. Mediacom on demand was cool, but often timed  
> out.
>
> I never did have Mediacom phone service and won't consider it, so  
> I'll be sticking with my Qwest land line. Neighbors had horrible  
> trouble and eventually abandoned Mediacom phone service.
>
> I can't tell you what I'm paying, but my wife/budget keeper tells me  
> it's about the same.
>
> What say you? Is there a reason to return to cable? Is there a  
> market for used DirecTV equipment?
>
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
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From jon at mac-consultant.com  Thu Aug 13 19:17:32 2009
From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:17:32 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Reevaluating Qwest DSL vs. Mediacom cable after 2 yrs.
In-Reply-To: <85D806F4-CDD5-404B-A0E8-36F09269E7E2@bobbis.net>
References: <85D806F4-CDD5-404B-A0E8-36F09269E7E2@bobbis.net>
Message-ID: <FA083119-6FDA-4ACE-8F6B-69B8CA31C7E6@mac-consultant.com>

I don't know if Dave doesn't provide to your area or if he is  
restraining himself for ethical reasons, but if it is the latter, I am  
not affiliated with internet solver in any way, other than being a  
happy and loyal customer in both my home and one of our offices. ( The  
other is a dedicated 5 Mb synchronous fiber connection with a Class C  
block of IP addresses from Mediacom Business services.) I would  
suggest checking to see if internet solver can hook you up.

-- 
- Jon
On Aug 13, 2009, at 6:34 PM, John Rearick wrote:

> Depending on where you live, Mediacom for internet can be decent.   
> If you are in a overloaded area, it can really suck.
>
> Mediacom offers several levels of Internet service.  The lowest  
> starting at 3MB down and (i think) 512K up.  The middle of the road  
> service is 8MB down and 1MB up, then they have the 20 MB down service.
>
> Currently, I just set up Mediacom for TV and Internet at my new  
> house in Nevada (serviced by Ames). I've had it for a week now and  
> they didn't get me the TV package I ordered, and when I called to  
> get it they couldn't get it working.  Also, every evening the cable  
> modem craps out for several hours.  It takes them a full week to get  
> someone out to look at the problem.  They will be in sometime  
> between 8am and noon, no evening hours. I've had mediacom in several  
> locations, and it seems the customer service is lacking, but once  
> the service is running i don't usually run into many problems.
>
> The way I see it, just about every service provider sucks.
>
> John
>
> On Aug 13, 2009, at 1:52 PM, James Lagnese wrote:
>
>> If I recall, Mediacom has some terrible upload speeds, like 256K or  
>> 512K. May be this isn't an issue for some, but I do a lot of VPN  
>> from home to work and the speed up and down makes a difference. I  
>> wouldn't switch because of this.
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, August 13, 2009, at 01:37PM, "Chris Tyrrell" <tyrrell69 at gmail.com 
>> > wrote:
>> >_______________________________________________
>> >DMMUG mailing list
>> >Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>> >DMMUG at dmmug.org
>> >Use this page to modify subscription options:
>> >http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>> >
>> Hi all.
>>
>> My sincere apologies to those inconvenienced by off-topic posts.
>>
>> I'm approaching the two year anniversary of my switch from Mediacom  
>> to Qwest DSL/DirecTV, so my bundle contract is nearing expiration.  
>> I was never displeased with Mediacom, but thought I'd be saving  
>> money, but I don't think I probably am.
>>
>> I'm going to call Mediacom to explore my options, but I'm sure I'll  
>> get better information here (I could write a dissertation about how  
>> Mac users are Mac users because they are better informed). I'd be  
>> grateful to hear your experiences in comparing the two, assuming  
>> others have been where I am now.
>>
>> So, I'm paying for Qwest 8Mb DSL service, though <3 Mb is the best  
>> they can deliver in my 'hood (SE Waukee). It's reliable and  
>> generally fast enough. My DSL feeds my flying saucer Airport, which  
>> is used by one G4 desktop, two G4 iBooks, an iPod Touch, and the  
>> ThinkPad I carry home from work.
>>
>> Cable was faster of course, but not as fast as it could have been,  
>> again a limitation of my location. One Mediacom tech explained how  
>> overcrowed their infrastructure is for serving my area. It was as  
>> if all of the western 'burbs went through a single bottleneck in a  
>> little building over in the vicinity of Jordan Creek & Ashworth.  
>> Cable was slightly less reliable in my experience, but hardly  
>> problematic.
>>
>> I also have DirecTV HD DVR service, which allows me to record two  
>> shows while watching a third. No premium channels. There are only a  
>> few shows worthy of recording, and they are generally on at about  
>> the same time, and always before the kids are in bed which means I  
>> won't be seeing them as they're broadcast. Two other TVs in the  
>> house (one is HD, other is SD) each have a plain DirecTV SD box, no  
>> DVR.
>>
>> Cable TV was OK. I understand they have added HD channels in the  
>> last two years. DirecTV boasts about their number of HD channels,  
>> but aside from the few that I actually watch, the number doesn't  
>> matter to me. Both offer music channels (yawn).
>>
>> DirecTV now offers VOD, but it requires an ethernet feed so I  
>> haven't tried it - I'd need a router between my modem and my  
>> Airport and really long RJ-45. Mediacom on demand was cool, but  
>> often timed out.
>>
>> I never did have Mediacom phone service and won't consider it, so  
>> I'll be sticking with my Qwest land line. Neighbors had horrible  
>> trouble and eventually abandoned Mediacom phone service.
>>
>> I can't tell you what I'm paying, but my wife/budget keeper tells  
>> me it's about the same.
>>
>> What say you? Is there a reason to return to cable? Is there a  
>> market for used DirecTV equipment?
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Chris
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From djweis at internetsolver.com  Thu Aug 13 22:25:47 2009
From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 22:25:47 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [DM-MUG] Reevaluating Qwest DSL vs. Mediacom cable after 2 yrs.
In-Reply-To: <FA083119-6FDA-4ACE-8F6B-69B8CA31C7E6@mac-consultant.com>
References: <85D806F4-CDD5-404B-A0E8-36F09269E7E2@bobbis.net>
	<FA083119-6FDA-4ACE-8F6B-69B8CA31C7E6@mac-consultant.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0908132223030.16395@charmed.internetsolver.com>


I'm such a modest person, I am hesitant to point out that we were voted 
runner up as best ISP in the Business Record Best of Des Moines 2009...

Our best coverage area is in the immediate metro area but we can help in 
more areas than you would imagine.

If anyone wants to see what we can offer, there is an online qualification 
tool on our web site at http://connect.internetsolver.com/qualify/index.do

Alternatively, you can call our office at 224-9229 or email me.

dave



On Thu, 13 Aug 2009, Jon Thompson wrote:

> I don't know if Dave doesn't provide to your area or if he is restraining 
> himself for ethical reasons, but if it is the latter, I am not affiliated 
> with internet solver in any way, other than being a happy and loyal customer 
> in both my home and one of our offices. ( The other is a dedicated 5 Mb 
> synchronous fiber connection with a Class C block of IP addresses from 
> Mediacom Business services.) I would suggest checking to see if internet 
> solver can hook you up.
>
>

-- 
Dave Weis
djweis at internetsolver.com
http://www.internetsolver.com/


From thorgrim at imaginarytower.org  Wed Aug 19 14:57:23 2009
From: thorgrim at imaginarytower.org (David McLaughlin)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:57:23 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Greeting Card Program
Message-ID: <7F5320FB-4CB6-412B-8FB5-00A65CC10C4B@imaginarytower.org>

I have a friend who has recently switched.  She is looking for a  
program that will allow her to create greeting cards.

She wants to print them herself, so using iPhoto directly is out.

Any suggestions?

Dave McLaughlin

From alexander at rhoads.us  Wed Aug 19 15:15:13 2009
From: alexander at rhoads.us (Alexander Rhoads)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:15:13 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Point of Sale and Business Accounting Application?
In-Reply-To: <7F5320FB-4CB6-412B-8FB5-00A65CC10C4B@imaginarytower.org>
References: <7F5320FB-4CB6-412B-8FB5-00A65CC10C4B@imaginarytower.org>
Message-ID: <1250712913.16511.1330659237@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Can anyone recommend: 

1) a Point of Sale application for a small retail business; and,
2) a business accounting program for said small retail business?

-- 
Alexander Rhoads
Central Iowa (USA)
alexander at rhoads.us


From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Wed Aug 19 15:48:16 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:48:16 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Point of Sale and Business Accounting Application?
In-Reply-To: <1250712913.16511.1330659237@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <7F5320FB-4CB6-412B-8FB5-00A65CC10C4B@imaginarytower.org>
	<1250712913.16511.1330659237@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <p06240805c6b2157179a1@[10.0.1.192]>

>Can anyone recommend:
>
>1) a Point of Sale application for a small retail business; and,
>2) a business accounting program for said small retail business?
>

you might check with the business rep. department at the Apple Store 
too = that's what they're supposed to help with.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Wed Aug 19 15:50:23 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:50:23 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Greeting Card Program
In-Reply-To: <7F5320FB-4CB6-412B-8FB5-00A65CC10C4B@imaginarytower.org>
References: <7F5320FB-4CB6-412B-8FB5-00A65CC10C4B@imaginarytower.org>
Message-ID: <p06240806c6b215a8866e@[10.0.1.192]>

Actually you probably can use iPhoto if you do the right setup = but 
I think Avery has software for Mac that will work = and there are 
various profiles in Photoshop Elements and Aperture and other such to 
do it.  She can also buy empty cards w. envelopes, have CostCo or 
whomever print 4x6s and affix them = Strathmore cards at ArtStore is 
a good brand.  There are printers who specialize in it = Red River is 
one.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From jon at mac-consultant.com  Wed Aug 19 17:19:36 2009
From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:19:36 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Point of Sale and Business Accounting Application?
In-Reply-To: <1250712913.16511.1330659237@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <7F5320FB-4CB6-412B-8FB5-00A65CC10C4B@imaginarytower.org>
	<1250712913.16511.1330659237@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <659734D3-0B0B-43AC-8EEA-9767A4441CBE@mac-consultant.com>

While I don't have any recommendations, I think that Apple has some  
good resources that would be of interest to you.

http://www.apple.com/business/solutions/retail.html


http://www.apple.com/business/solutions/pos/

http://guide.apple.com/action.lasso?-database=MacOSGuide&-layout=cgi_search&-sortfield=smbretail01usrank&-response=/business/retail/list.lasso&-op=bw&aggregate_keywords_us=smbretail01us&-maxRecords=15&-search

http://guide.apple.com/action.lasso?-database=MacOSGuide&-layout=cgi_search&-response=/business/accountingfinance/accounting/list.lasso&-op=bw&aggregate_keywords_us=smbaccount01us&-sortfield=smbaccount01usrank&-search

On Aug 19, 2009, at 3:15 PM, Alexander Rhoads wrote:

> Can anyone recommend:
>
> 1) a Point of Sale application for a small retail business; and,
> 2) a business accounting program for said small retail business?
>
> -- 
> Alexander Rhoads
> Central Iowa (USA)
> alexander at rhoads.us
>
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From tyrrell69 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 19 17:32:31 2009
From: tyrrell69 at gmail.com (Chris Tyrrell)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:32:31 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Greeting Card Program
In-Reply-To: <7F5320FB-4CB6-412B-8FB5-00A65CC10C4B@imaginarytower.org>
References: <7F5320FB-4CB6-412B-8FB5-00A65CC10C4B@imaginarytower.org>
Message-ID: <1F32A822-F715-4CCB-A98B-D8DFBE246BE2@gmail.com>

Take a look at Print Explosion. It creates all sorts of cards

Sent from my iPod

On Aug 19, 2009, at 2:57 PM, David McLaughlin <thorgrim at imaginarytower.org 
 > wrote:

> I have a friend who has recently switched.  She is looking for a
> program that will allow her to create greeting cards.
>
> She wants to print them herself, so using iPhoto directly is out.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Dave McLaughlin
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From big.smelly at gmail.com  Wed Aug 19 18:47:02 2009
From: big.smelly at gmail.com (Chris R Rinehart)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:47:02 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Greeting Card Program
In-Reply-To: <1F32A822-F715-4CCB-A98B-D8DFBE246BE2@gmail.com>
References: <7F5320FB-4CB6-412B-8FB5-00A65CC10C4B@imaginarytower.org>
	<1F32A822-F715-4CCB-A98B-D8DFBE246BE2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2842140E-814F-4659-9755-B1A2834800E0@gmail.com>

Hello
I've used iphoto to make cards on my home mac. `Instead of using the  
Buy Card button on the bottom of the screen go to the File menu and  
select print. I dont use it alot but it does work. Regards Chris


Better a live dog than a dead king.
Chris R Rinehart
big.smelly at gmail.com



On Aug 19, 2009, at 5:32 PM, Chris Tyrrell wrote:

> Take a look at Print Explosion. It creates all sorts of cards
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
> On Aug 19, 2009, at 2:57 PM, David McLaughlin <thorgrim at imaginarytower.org
>> wrote:
>
>> I have a friend who has recently switched.  She is looking for a
>> program that will allow her to create greeting cards.
>>
>> She wants to print them herself, so using iPhoto directly is out.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> Dave McLaughlin
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From cwsmith7 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 19 22:41:00 2009
From: cwsmith7 at gmail.com (CW Smith)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:41:00 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Greeting Card Program
In-Reply-To: <7F5320FB-4CB6-412B-8FB5-00A65CC10C4B@imaginarytower.org>
References: <7F5320FB-4CB6-412B-8FB5-00A65CC10C4B@imaginarytower.org>
Message-ID: <CC7E31C0-1C51-47EE-A49F-FCCD10A1FD13@gmail.com>

Pages?

Peace,
CW

---------------------------------------------------------

CW Smith
Windows & Macintosh service and repair
Apple Certified Macintosh Technician

Phone: (515) 577-1716
cwsmith7 at gmail.com

"Guitar, bass, percussion, Macintosh"

---------------------------------------------------------

On Aug 19, 2009, at 2:57 PM, David McLaughlin wrote:

> I have a friend who has recently switched.  She is looking for a
> program that will allow her to create greeting cards.
>
> She wants to print them herself, so using iPhoto directly is out.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Dave McLaughlin
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From donald.patridge at gmail.com  Wed Aug 19 22:59:07 2009
From: donald.patridge at gmail.com (Don Patridge)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:59:07 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Greeting Card Program
In-Reply-To: <7F5320FB-4CB6-412B-8FB5-00A65CC10C4B@imaginarytower.org>
References: <7F5320FB-4CB6-412B-8FB5-00A65CC10C4B@imaginarytower.org>
Message-ID: <8EF9B1B1-7865-4934-AC24-2875015DE61B@gmail.com>

I would suggest using the free Mac download for printing stuff from  
Avery.com. and you can even use the program online if your computer  
will not handle the software download. Great program for almost  
anything you will want to print. The graphics are better than most of  
the stuff your see with Microsoft stuff and even the old Print Master  
software.

On Aug 19, 2009, at 2:57 PM, David McLaughlin wrote:

> I have a friend who has recently switched.  She is looking for a
> program that will allow her to create greeting cards.
>
> She wants to print them herself, so using iPhoto directly is out.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Dave McLaughlin
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From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 20 00:42:56 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:42:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [DM-MUG] Greeting Card Program
In-Reply-To: <7F5320FB-4CB6-412B-8FB5-00A65CC10C4B@imaginarytower.org>
Message-ID: <187738.10816.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Sounds like  a basic user. the easiest program would be PrintShop. It generally starts at $20. I think I've seen some discs as low as $5, but i may be thinking of clip art and stock images discs. The print shop with more images (i think the most I've seen boasted is 1,000,000 images and art to choose from included with the software. That one is $99.99

I think it's neat iPhoto has those added features, but I don't use them. because I'd probably only spend that much on like a really special occasion like a 25 year anniversary or something.


Good luck.

--- On Wed, 8/19/09, David McLaughlin <thorgrim at imaginarytower.org> wrote:

> From: David McLaughlin <thorgrim at imaginarytower.org>
> Subject: [DM-MUG] Greeting Card Program
> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 2:57 PM
> I have a friend who has recently
> switched.? She is looking for a? 
> program that will allow her to create greeting cards.
> 
> She wants to print them herself, so using iPhoto directly
> is out.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Dave McLaughlin
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From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 20 00:47:59 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:47:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [DM-MUG] Greeting Card Program
In-Reply-To: <8EF9B1B1-7865-4934-AC24-2875015DE61B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <299505.57183.qm@web110304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I download the templates from Avery for labels. I've liked them and have had no problem. Though I don't usually use the art or images included. If you access Microsoft Clip Art Gallery online through the Office applications, you can browse through to your heart's content.


--- On Wed, 8/19/09, Don Patridge <donald.patridge at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Don Patridge <donald.patridge at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Greeting Card Program
> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 10:59 PM
> I would suggest using the free Mac
> download for printing stuff from? 
> Avery.com. and you can even use the program online if your
> computer? 
> will not handle the software download. Great program for
> almost? 
> anything you will want to print. The graphics are better
> than most of? 
> the stuff your see with Microsoft stuff and even the old
> Print Master? 
> software.
> 
> On Aug 19, 2009, at 2:57 PM, David McLaughlin wrote:
> 
> > I have a friend who has recently switched.? She
> is looking for a
> > program that will allow her to create greeting cards.
> >
> > She wants to print them herself, so using iPhoto
> directly is out.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > Dave McLaughlin
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From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 20 01:00:06 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:00:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [DM-MUG] Point of Sale and Business Accounting Application?
In-Reply-To: <659734D3-0B0B-43AC-8EEA-9767A4441CBE@mac-consultant.com>
Message-ID: <859762.97780.qm@web110309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Quickbooks is the one most used on the PC side. Though the whole kit and caboodle generally costs $900+ 
If your business grows and/or you contract out to a CPA (? that the correct term?) or accountant, your account will use one of three software programs aside from Excel: 

Quickbooks
Peachtree
Quicken

Most of these programs are for use with PCs, but they offer something for Mac platform too. I'd make sure whatever arrangement you have is compatible with both and also able to be opened/accessed by accounting-type people who use PCs.

Apple uses Point of Sale technologies themselves at the stores, so they should be able to better direct you. here's the apple link for get general info.
http://www.apple.com/business/solutions/pos/

--- On Wed, 8/19/09, Jon Thompson <jon at mac-consultant.com> wrote:

> From: Jon Thompson <jon at mac-consultant.com>
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Point of Sale and Business Accounting Application?
> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 5:19 PM
> While I don't have any
> recommendations, I think that Apple has some? 
> good resources that would be of interest to you.
> 
> http://www.apple.com/business/solutions/retail.html
> 
> 
> http://www.apple.com/business/solutions/pos/
> 
> http://guide.apple.com/action.lasso?-database=MacOSGuide&-layout=cgi_search&-sortfield=smbretail01usrank&-response=/business/retail/list.lasso&-op=bw&aggregate_keywords_us=smbretail01us&-maxRecords=15&-search
> 
> http://guide.apple.com/action.lasso?-database=MacOSGuide&-layout=cgi_search&-response=/business/accountingfinance/accounting/list.lasso&-op=bw&aggregate_keywords_us=smbaccount01us&-sortfield=smbaccount01usrank&-search
> 
> On Aug 19, 2009, at 3:15 PM, Alexander Rhoads wrote:
> 
> > Can anyone recommend:
> >
> > 1) a Point of Sale application for a small retail
> business; and,
> > 2) a business accounting program for said small retail
> business?
> >
> > -- 
> > Alexander Rhoads
> > Central Iowa (USA)
> > alexander at rhoads.us
> >
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From BYDORY at aol.com  Thu Aug 20 06:01:13 2009
From: BYDORY at aol.com (BYDORY at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:01:13 EDT
Subject: [DM-MUG] Greeting Card Program
Message-ID: <bbf.56ba71d9.37be86f9@aol.com>

I would like to second the recommendation for Print Shop Deluxe.   I have 
used Print Shop since 1991 when I got my first computer.   I import photos 
from the desktop and even use photos from the Internet.   I am not a computer 
savvy person but can do wonders with Print Shop Deluxe.   It even has an 
address book and allows for decorating and printing envelopes.   Dora Ward
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From jon at mac-consultant.com  Thu Aug 20 07:25:23 2009
From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:25:23 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Point of Sale and Business Accounting Application?
In-Reply-To: <859762.97780.qm@web110309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <859762.97780.qm@web110309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4694D404-A8C6-41E6-9C8D-0CF9DD473B88@mac-consultant.com>

It appears the MYOB, which I have used in the past has a POS solution  
available as well. It integrates with both their accounting software  
as well as quickbooks.

http://www.checkoutapp.com/

While a lot of businesses use quickbooks for their business, I would  
strongly recommend not.

First, the Mac version has always been neutered as compared to the  
windows version (for instance, it doesn't do payroll.)
Second, Quickbooks has never been a true double entry accounting  
system, which assists the bookkeeper in detecting errors.
-- 
- Jon
On Aug 20, 2009, at 1:00 AM, AB wrote:

> Quickbooks is the one most used on the PC side. Though the whole kit  
> and caboodle generally costs $900+
> If your business grows and/or you contract out to a CPA (? that the  
> correct term?) or accountant, your account will use one of three  
> software programs aside from Excel:
>
> Quickbooks
> Peachtree
> Quicken
>
> Most of these programs are for use with PCs, but they offer  
> something for Mac platform too. I'd make sure whatever arrangement  
> you have is compatible with both and also able to be opened/accessed  
> by accounting-type people who use PCs.
>
> Apple uses Point of Sale technologies themselves at the stores, so  
> they should be able to better direct you. here's the apple link for  
> get general info.
> http://www.apple.com/business/solutions/pos/
>
> --- On Wed, 8/19/09, Jon Thompson <jon at mac-consultant.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Jon Thompson <jon at mac-consultant.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Point of Sale and Business Accounting  
>> Application?
>> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
>> Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 5:19 PM
>> While I don't have any
>> recommendations, I think that Apple has some
>> good resources that would be of interest to you.
>>
>> http://www.apple.com/business/solutions/retail.html
>>
>>
>> http://www.apple.com/business/solutions/pos/
>>
>> http://guide.apple.com/action.lasso?-database=MacOSGuide&-layout=cgi_search&-sortfield=smbretail01usrank&-response=/business/retail/list.lasso&-op=bw&aggregate_keywords_us=smbretail01us&-maxRecords=15&-search
>>
>> http://guide.apple.com/action.lasso?-database=MacOSGuide&-layout=cgi_search&-response=/business/accountingfinance/accounting/list.lasso&-op=bw&aggregate_keywords_us=smbaccount01us&-sortfield=smbaccount01usrank&-search
>>
>> On Aug 19, 2009, at 3:15 PM, Alexander Rhoads wrote:
>>
>>> Can anyone recommend:
>>>
>>> 1) a Point of Sale application for a small retail
>> business; and,
>>> 2) a business accounting program for said small retail
>> business?
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Alexander Rhoads
>>> Central Iowa (USA)
>>> alexander at rhoads.us
>>>
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Thu Aug 20 08:28:22 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 08:28:22 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Reevaluating Qwest DSL vs. Mediacom cable after 2 yrs.
In-Reply-To: <1B5DE358-7A44-458A-850E-60E03DE62F52@mchsi.com>
References: <54c5ebf40908131137m3ba4eb20n2e901e2cf04f396a@mail.gmail.com>
	<1B5DE358-7A44-458A-850E-60E03DE62F52@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <p06240807c6b2ff1edebe@[10.0.1.192]>

I thought I should step in with a contrary view - when I needed to 
add internet here, DSL via Qwest was not available.  So we got 
Mediacom.  We now have HDTV and that's another reason [besides the 
sports channels and others we like to watch = we don't watch all that 
much but when we want to, we are selective].

I actually have not had a problem with Mediacom = initially there 
were some issues but the guy came out and switched out all the 
connectors and cables and it has worked just fine since.  We have 
little down time  and if something happens, I'm on the horn 
immediately to politely and firmly insist on service.

I think every provider has problems and also at times does well.  You 
just need to find what you want and unless there is a great financial 
savings, dont' switch = become a special consumer for that vendor.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Thu Aug 20 08:32:12 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 08:32:12 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Point of Sale and Business Accounting Application?
In-Reply-To: <859762.97780.qm@web110309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <859762.97780.qm@web110309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p06240808c6b300b53e04@[10.0.1.192]>

I did get Quickbooks 2009 for Mac and am learning the ropes.  It's a 
good program but hard to get used to the accounting terminology!
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From robolaw at aol.com  Thu Aug 20 08:45:54 2009
From: robolaw at aol.com (Michael R. Hoffmann)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 08:45:54 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Point of Sale and Business Accounting Application?
In-Reply-To: <p06240808c6b300b53e04@[10.0.1.192]>
References: <859762.97780.qm@web110309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<p06240808c6b300b53e04@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <23CB2B2F-4544-4716-ABEC-5EDD9BECB4CD@aol.com>

Victoria:

You might want to look at http://www.snowmintcs.com/products/ 
budgetmac/index.php for your trust account. The envelope concept  
works very well & you can do balance reports on each one if you want to.

Mike
On Aug 20, 2009, at 8:32 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> I did get Quickbooks 2009 for Mac and am learning the ropes.  It's a
> good program but hard to get used to the accounting terminology!
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs:
> http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography];
> http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination];
> http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].
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From donald.patridge at gmail.com  Thu Aug 20 09:07:08 2009
From: donald.patridge at gmail.com (Don Patridge)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:07:08 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Design Software for Mac | DesignPro for Mac | Avery
Message-ID: <0CA0F400-53C5-4A03-AFD1-989B8F107D04@gmail.com>

I mentioned the Avery.com Mac software and forgot to include the  
address for the download. This is not a template situation, as  
mentioned by a previous poster, but a full fledge software program. My  
suggestion is to download the program and give it a try since the  
program is free.

http://www.avery.com/avery/en_us/Templates-%26-Software/Software/Avery-DesignPro-for-Mac.htm?N=4294967076%204294965756&refchannel=3980ac83ae70a110VgnVCM1000002118140aRCRD

From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Thu Aug 20 09:12:02 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:12:02 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Point of Sale and Business Accounting Application?
In-Reply-To: <23CB2B2F-4544-4716-ABEC-5EDD9BECB4CD@aol.com>
References: <859762.97780.qm@web110309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<p06240808c6b300b53e04@[10.0.1.192]>
	<23CB2B2F-4544-4716-ABEC-5EDD9BECB4CD@aol.com>
Message-ID: <p06240810c6b309ff6b4a@[10.0.1.192]>

Thanks Mike == I have enough apps to keep me busy.  My accountant 
uses QB [Win] so getting info to her and letting her do her job will 
help and she has kept an eye on the Trust Acct in the past so I think 
we're good that way.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 20 14:40:01 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:40:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [DM-MUG] Point of Sale and Business Accounting Application?
In-Reply-To: <p06240810c6b309ff6b4a@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <540599.8816.qm@web110309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Quickbooks is generally the standard for accountants. Trends in software in trade specific markets are slow to change. 

I have no accounting background, and had never used Peachtree or any accounting application. Most of my knowledge is with Adobe and Microsoft applications. I troubleshooted how to covert and export Peachtree files into the Quickbooks format for my boss's assistant to send off to their contracted accountant. 

I agree with Victoria, the most difficult part was the accounting jargon the program used. As long as the program can convert or export files into what accountants need, use whatever works. Microsoft money got good feedback from mom and pop, small home office businesses using Windows platforms, but you'd have to check the features and specs.

Not trying to lecture. This is a heads up.
Software legalities For commerical/business intentions

Whatever the software, be sure to remember most software is an individual license. So if you intend to install the software on more than one computer it has to be one laptop and one desktop and both have to be used by only one person and the one person has to own both computers. Some softwares are available (sometimes in different versions) for different purpose, such as educational or personal use.

Putting the software on 2 desktops or 2 laptops or more and used by more than one person or 1 desktop owned by one person and 1 laptop owned by a second person requires purchasing multiple licenses in order to abide by the Terms of Use and End User agreement.

Multiple licenses either means 1. buying th same software disc in multiple quantities, or 2. contacting the manufacturer to purchase distinctively separate serial numbers, product keys, or licensing numbers to enter in during the installation process. 
Option 2 is sometimes cheaper than Option 1. If concerned, ask the representative, retailer, or salesperson. Otherwise, you put yourself at risk for being caught for software piracy and also may void your qualification for the software to check and install updates to fix bugs for the programs to operate smoothly, for technical and product support from the developer/manufacturer. Using an inappropriate (educational or personal) version and/or using one license inappropriately for commercial/business use is or may also be considered software piracy. 

I spent a few years as the authority on software, selling alot of software to business owners and start up companies. I also did some freelance design work at one point before working for a small company which didn't exactly honor the Terms of Use. When they needed technical and product support, the manufacturer refused to give them help because the manufacturer was able to look up the product key and serial number and discovered it was an educational version being used for commercial purposes. Lesson: The owner was not happy he was caught trying to pull a fast one.  Be safe; know the rules; play by the rules. Otherwise, be willing to pay for the consequences.

The end. Good luck!!! :)

-A.

> From: Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com>
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Point of Sale and Business Accounting Application?
> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 9:12 AM
> Thanks Mike == I have enough apps to
> keep me busy.? My accountant 
> uses QB [Win] so getting info to her and letting her do her
> job will 
> help and she has kept an eye on the Trust Acct in the past
> so I think 
> we're good that way.
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
> http://blog.JourneyZing.com? [photography]; 
> http://www.herringlaw.com?
> [civilrights/discrimination]; 
> http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/?
> [personal].
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From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 20 14:42:28 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:42:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [DM-MUG] Point of Sale and Business Accounting Application?
In-Reply-To: <4694D404-A8C6-41E6-9C8D-0CF9DD473B88@mac-consultant.com>
Message-ID: <255404.77109.qm@web110301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Good to know. 

--- On Thu, 8/20/09, Jon Thompson <jon at mac-consultant.com> wrote:

> From: Jon Thompson <jon at mac-consultant.com>
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Point of Sale and Business Accounting Application?
> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 7:25 AM
> It appears the MYOB, which I have
> used in the past has a POS solution? 
> available as well. It integrates with both their accounting
> software? 
> as well as quickbooks.
> 
> http://www.checkoutapp.com/
> 
> While a lot of businesses use quickbooks for their
> business, I would? 
> strongly recommend not.
> 
> First, the Mac version has always been neutered as compared
> to the? 
> windows version (for instance, it doesn't do payroll.)
> Second, Quickbooks has never been a true double entry
> accounting? 
> system, which assists the bookkeeper in detecting errors.
> -- 
> - Jon
> On Aug 20, 2009, at 1:00 AM, AB wrote:
> 
> > Quickbooks is the one most used on the PC side. Though
> the whole kit? 
> > and caboodle generally costs $900+
> > If your business grows and/or you contract out to a
> CPA (? that the? 
> > correct term?) or accountant, your account will use
> one of three? 
> > software programs aside from Excel:
> >
> > Quickbooks
> > Peachtree
> > Quicken
> >
> > Most of these programs are for use with PCs, but they
> offer? 
> > something for Mac platform too. I'd make sure whatever
> arrangement? 
> > you have is compatible with both and also able to be
> opened/accessed? 
> > by accounting-type people who use PCs.
> >
> > Apple uses Point of Sale technologies themselves at
> the stores, so? 
> > they should be able to better direct you. here's the
> apple link for? 
> > get general info.
> > http://www.apple.com/business/solutions/pos/
> >
> > --- On Wed, 8/19/09, Jon Thompson <jon at mac-consultant.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Jon Thompson <jon at mac-consultant.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Point of Sale and Business
> Accounting? 
> >> Application?
> >> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> >> Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 5:19 PM
> >> While I don't have any
> >> recommendations, I think that Apple has some
> >> good resources that would be of interest to you.
> >>
> >> http://www.apple.com/business/solutions/retail.html
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.apple.com/business/solutions/pos/
> >>
> >> http://guide.apple.com/action.lasso?-database=MacOSGuide&-layout=cgi_search&-sortfield=smbretail01usrank&-response=/business/retail/list.lasso&-op=bw&aggregate_keywords_us=smbretail01us&-maxRecords=15&-search
> >>
> >> http://guide.apple.com/action.lasso?-database=MacOSGuide&-layout=cgi_search&-response=/business/accountingfinance/accounting/list.lasso&-op=bw&aggregate_keywords_us=smbaccount01us&-sortfield=smbaccount01usrank&-search
> >>
> >> On Aug 19, 2009, at 3:15 PM, Alexander Rhoads
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Can anyone recommend:
> >>>
> >>> 1) a Point of Sale application for a small
> retail
> >> business; and,
> >>> 2) a business accounting program for said
> small retail
> >> business?
> >>>
> >>> -- 
> >>> Alexander Rhoads
> >>> Central Iowa (USA)
> >>> alexander at rhoads.us
> >>>
> >>>
> _______________________________________________
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From adk at 52761.com  Thu Aug 20 14:59:58 2009
From: adk at 52761.com (Allen Kiddoo)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:59:58 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Point of Sale and Business Accounting Application?
In-Reply-To: <255404.77109.qm@web110301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <4694D404-A8C6-41E6-9C8D-0CF9DD473B88@mac-consultant.com>
	<255404.77109.qm@web110301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <678823f00908201259q67696a78qed5befe61e8a28b2@mail.gmail.com>

I own a small business and use QB on win XP box (the only win box I
have). I RDC into it from my two iMacs. Hardly ever touch the XP box
and never go on internet with that box. Also run an external HD on it
and auto backup daily. Trick with QB is knowing someone that can do
initial setup correctly (had to pay for that). I pay a bookkeeper that
does double checks payroll and sales taxes.

Allen Kiddoo
Ioway-Record Printing Co.

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:42 PM, AB<anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Good to know.
>
> --- On Thu, 8/20/09, Jon Thompson <jon at mac-consultant.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Jon Thompson <jon at mac-consultant.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Point of Sale and Business Accounting Application?
>> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
>> Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 7:25 AM
>> It appears the MYOB, which I have
>> used in the past has a POS solution
>> available as well. It integrates with both their accounting
>> software
>> as well as quickbooks.
>>
>> http://www.checkoutapp.com/
>>
>> While a lot of businesses use quickbooks for their
>> business, I would
>> strongly recommend not.
>>
>> First, the Mac version has always been neutered as compared
>> to the
>> windows version (for instance, it doesn't do payroll.)
>> Second, Quickbooks has never been a true double entry
>> accounting
>> system, which assists the bookkeeper in detecting errors.
>> --
>> - Jon
>> On Aug 20, 2009, at 1:00 AM, AB wrote:
>>
>> > Quickbooks is the one most used on the PC side. Though
>> the whole kit
>> > and caboodle generally costs $900+
>> > If your business grows and/or you contract out to a
>> CPA (? that the
>> > correct term?) or accountant, your account will use
>> one of three
>> > software programs aside from Excel:
>> >
>> > Quickbooks
>> > Peachtree
>> > Quicken
>> >
>> > Most of these programs are for use with PCs, but they
>> offer
>> > something for Mac platform too. I'd make sure whatever
>> arrangement
>> > you have is compatible with both and also able to be
>> opened/accessed
>> > by accounting-type people who use PCs.
>> >
>> > Apple uses Point of Sale technologies themselves at
>> the stores, so
>> > they should be able to better direct you. here's the
>> apple link for
>> > get general info.
>> > http://www.apple.com/business/solutions/pos/
>> >
>> > --- On Wed, 8/19/09, Jon Thompson <jon at mac-consultant.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> From: Jon Thompson <jon at mac-consultant.com>
>> >> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Point of Sale and Business
>> Accounting
>> >> Application?
>> >> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
>> >> Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 5:19 PM
>> >> While I don't have any
>> >> recommendations, I think that Apple has some
>> >> good resources that would be of interest to you.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.apple.com/business/solutions/retail.html
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> http://www.apple.com/business/solutions/pos/
>> >>
>> >> http://guide.apple.com/action.lasso?-database=MacOSGuide&-layout=cgi_search&-sortfield=smbretail01usrank&-response=/business/retail/list.lasso&-op=bw&aggregate_keywords_us=smbretail01us&-maxRecords=15&-search
>> >>
>> >> http://guide.apple.com/action.lasso?-database=MacOSGuide&-layout=cgi_search&-response=/business/accountingfinance/accounting/list.lasso&-op=bw&aggregate_keywords_us=smbaccount01us&-sortfield=smbaccount01usrank&-search
>> >>
>> >> On Aug 19, 2009, at 3:15 PM, Alexander Rhoads
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Can anyone recommend:
>> >>>
>> >>> 1) a Point of Sale application for a small
>> retail
>> >> business; and,
>> >>> 2) a business accounting program for said
>> small retail
>> >> business?
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Alexander Rhoads
>> >>> Central Iowa (USA)
>> >>> alexander at rhoads.us
>> >>>
>> >>>
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From thiessenstuart at aol.com  Thu Aug 20 15:33:26 2009
From: thiessenstuart at aol.com (Stuart Thiessen)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 15:33:26 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Point of Sale and Business Accounting Application?
In-Reply-To: <678823f00908201259q67696a78qed5befe61e8a28b2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4694D404-A8C6-41E6-9C8D-0CF9DD473B88@mac-consultant.com>
	<255404.77109.qm@web110301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<678823f00908201259q67696a78qed5befe61e8a28b2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6E1CAFC4-7189-4FDF-B136-035CD7F16150@aol.com>

There is a opensource product called GnuCash (www.gnucash.org). If you  
want to avoid proprietary software, you might investigate this. You  
will need to use Fink or MacPorts to install the software. Even then,  
you might not get the latest and greatest because so far Mac  
deployment is delayed compared to Linux and other installations.

Thanks,

Stuart

On Aug 20, 2009, at 14:59 , Allen Kiddoo wrote:

> I own a small business and use QB on win XP box (the only win box I
> have). I RDC into it from my two iMacs. Hardly ever touch the XP box
> and never go on internet with that box. Also run an external HD on it
> and auto backup daily. Trick with QB is knowing someone that can do
> initial setup correctly (had to pay for that). I pay a bookkeeper that
> does double checks payroll and sales taxes.
>
> Allen Kiddoo
> Ioway-Record Printing Co.
>
> On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:42 PM, AB<anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com>  
> wrote:
>> Good to know.
>>
>> --- On Thu, 8/20/09, Jon Thompson <jon at mac-consultant.com> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Jon Thompson <jon at mac-consultant.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Point of Sale and Business Accounting  
>>> Application?
>>> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
>>> Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 7:25 AM
>>> It appears the MYOB, which I have
>>> used in the past has a POS solution
>>> available as well. It integrates with both their accounting
>>> software
>>> as well as quickbooks.
>>>
>>> http://www.checkoutapp.com/
>>>
>>> While a lot of businesses use quickbooks for their
>>> business, I would
>>> strongly recommend not.
>>>
>>> First, the Mac version has always been neutered as compared
>>> to the
>>> windows version (for instance, it doesn't do payroll.)
>>> Second, Quickbooks has never been a true double entry
>>> accounting
>>> system, which assists the bookkeeper in detecting errors.
>>> --
>>> - Jon
>>> On Aug 20, 2009, at 1:00 AM, AB wrote:
>>>
>>>> Quickbooks is the one most used on the PC side. Though
>>> the whole kit
>>>> and caboodle generally costs $900+
>>>> If your business grows and/or you contract out to a
>>> CPA (? that the
>>>> correct term?) or accountant, your account will use
>>> one of three
>>>> software programs aside from Excel:
>>>>
>>>> Quickbooks
>>>> Peachtree
>>>> Quicken
>>>>
>>>> Most of these programs are for use with PCs, but they
>>> offer
>>>> something for Mac platform too. I'd make sure whatever
>>> arrangement
>>>> you have is compatible with both and also able to be
>>> opened/accessed
>>>> by accounting-type people who use PCs.
>>>>
>>>> Apple uses Point of Sale technologies themselves at
>>> the stores, so
>>>> they should be able to better direct you. here's the
>>> apple link for
>>>> get general info.
>>>> http://www.apple.com/business/solutions/pos/
>>>>
>>>> --- On Wed, 8/19/09, Jon Thompson <jon at mac-consultant.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> From: Jon Thompson <jon at mac-consultant.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Point of Sale and Business
>>> Accounting
>>>>> Application?
>>>>> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
>>>>> Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 5:19 PM
>>>>> While I don't have any
>>>>> recommendations, I think that Apple has some
>>>>> good resources that would be of interest to you.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.apple.com/business/solutions/retail.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.apple.com/business/solutions/pos/
>>>>>
>>>>> http://guide.apple.com/action.lasso?-database=MacOSGuide&-layout=cgi_search&-sortfield=smbretail01usrank&-response=/business/retail/list.lasso&-op=bw&aggregate_keywords_us=smbretail01us&-maxRecords=15&-search
>>>>>
>>>>> http://guide.apple.com/action.lasso?-database=MacOSGuide&-layout=cgi_search&-response=/business/accountingfinance/accounting/list.lasso&-op=bw&aggregate_keywords_us=smbaccount01us&-sortfield=smbaccount01usrank&-search
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 19, 2009, at 3:15 PM, Alexander Rhoads
>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Can anyone recommend:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) a Point of Sale application for a small
>>> retail
>>>>> business; and,
>>>>>> 2) a business accounting program for said
>>> small retail
>>>>> business?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Alexander Rhoads
>>>>>> Central Iowa (USA)
>>>>>> alexander at rhoads.us
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 20 16:21:15 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:21:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [DM-MUG]  Qwest DSL vs. Mediacom Cable
In-Reply-To: <p06240807c6b2ff1edebe@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <688145.4218.qm@web110304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

My dad, lives on the Des Moines East Side, and liked Mediacom for 7 years. He had cable with HD abilities for his Hi-Def LCDtv, but limited HD programs and limited HD Channels, home phone+voicemail, I'm not a big TV fan, and I need to upload files. I've been with Qwest for 8 years. I only recently got satellite because my new roommates are big TV watchers. My dad recently decided to switch to Qwest because he wanted to add HD tuners and Mediacom informed him there was a limit of 2 per household due to limited supply, and they changed the story as to costs of it and cost of installation, etc. And his phone line had problems on a regular basis for 3 years. He stayed with Mediacom for so long because he only had 1 computer for light internet use, and had no need for a home network set up, nor was he interested in recording tv shows and burning them to a hard drive or onto DVD. He also has no school age kids present. So a lot depends on your own needs.

We compared notes. here's a breakdown comparison.

If you're all about the fast download for internet, Cable (Mediacom) can have the advantage. If you need to upload, DSL (Qwest) is better.

Upload means, putting files, images on the internet or working remotely as one of the others mentioned VPN. DSL offers equal upload and download speeds. So 10 Mbs is 10 ms download and upload all the time.

Cable internet speeds advertised are like the speedlimit signs on the highways. You can go up to 75 MPH, but at rush hour everyone is only going 20-35 MPH, right? Cable (Mediacom's) broadband download speed is affected not only by the above mentioned devices, but the number of devices, users, and activity in your neighborhood. DSL offers a dedicated gateway connection for each house. so when all the kids in the neighborhood get home from school and get online, you probably would notice a significant jam with Cable. Like rush hour. With DSL, you'd only notice a jam if all YOUR kids and all their friends at your house were doing demanding internet activity such as streaming video and playing online games all at the same exact time.

Whatever speed package you order, the speed will be affected by how many devices you have accessing the internet at the same time. Examples are:

Computers (both wired and wireless) 
Gaming systems and consoles such as Xbox360, Playstation 2 and 3 with games requiring internet access or offering online focused environments
Media and TV Receivers: such as ondemand features for DVRs and HD DVRs and Standard receivers.
Network or wireless printers
Any other devices on your network or wireless access (May or maynot include things such as Apple iPhone, etc.)

My roommates wanted cable TV. we compared Cable vs Satelite. I also compared notes with my dad and the cable company and direct tv company. I don't know about Dish Network.

For the (DVR) recording capable cable box from Cable, they require one for each tv. If you just want cable tv minus the HD and recording capabilities, cable is easier, though not exactly cheaper in the long run. otherwise each TV requires a box, Same as what you already have with Direct TV. Channel packages with Direct TV are cheaper. They used to offer more HD channels, but i think Mediacom has caught up in that dept. 

Closed Captioning 
Direct TV receivers offer easier closed captioning options to modify (color, size, etc.). Although the one I have seems to only display CC1 style and not the other styles such as CC2, etc. Mediacom tuners offer more styles and allow you to choose where the captioning displays (top, bottom), but the options for color and size, etc are somewhat inconvenient to modify in my opinion.

I compared channel package, Direct TV is $5-10 cheaper. If you get more than one service with Qwest you get bundled savings. Some months it's $15-$45 discounts based on what internet and direct Tv promotions are active and applied by Qwest. Qwest also has a "Price for Life" guarantee program for their DSL internet. 2 years ago, I upgraded to 5mbs package. It is $45 and for I've gotten discounts because I participate in "Price for Life" which means they can't increase the price on me. I won't ever have to pay more than $45 for the 5mbs speed. I can upgrade at anytime.  For almost a year, I've only been paying $15 a month for internet. Next month the current 12-month advertising promotion ends and the monthly $20 discount ends for the internet service.

Mac support with Qwest seems to be varied. It depends on the time of day and who you get on the phone. Infact, Qwest told me the Mac team is based in Boise, ID. Sometimes if I don't like the support, I thank them and then call again until I get someone who is trained and experienced with Macs. If they ask if I have a PC, many times I say I don't depending on the problem. If you have an intermediate level of understanding of networking with Macs, you may be able to fill in the blanks once you get your PPOA/PPOE username and password from Qwest. I used the Actiontec G701 modems from qwest for about 5 years. I switched to a Motorola 3347. It is easier and I like it better. I've never had an Airport base station. The Motorola 3347 is pretty straightforward and interacts with both Mac and PC the same way.  

The referral program with Qwest rewards the person named as the reference and also rewards the new customer. Direct TV also offers a rebate on the receiver for each class of receiver. I got $21 Direct TV rebate for my rented DVR. If your DVR can access the internet, you can remotely manage the programs to be recorded through the Direct TV website. The wireless DVRs/HD DVR may let you access the shows on that receiver from other devices? If your DVR/ HD DVR is directed wired or networked your computer can access and burn the show onto hard drive or DVD from what I understand.

Since I had good credit history as a long time Qwest customer, I got Qwest to waive installation frees for the Direct TV. If you own or buy your internet modem, it pays itself off after 12-18 months. You can rent or lease the modem from qwest for $5 a month. The modems cost $50-90 depending on the model. Qwest will replace the modem you rent or lease from them if the modem goes bad within 1 year. Excluding 1 modem Qwest replaced, Most modems I've had go bad after 2-3 years. I bought the most recent modem Qwest recommends off of Craigslist for $20, it retails for $90. When you buy the modems retail, you can often get mail-in rebates from the manufacturer or the retailer.

There you have it. Good luck. 

--- On Thu, 8/20/09, Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com> wrote:

> From: Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com>
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Reevaluating Qwest DSL vs. Mediacom cable after 2 yrs.
> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 8:28 AM
> I thought I should step in with a
> contrary view - when I needed to 
> add internet here, DSL via Qwest was not available.?
> So we got 
> Mediacom.? We now have HDTV and that's another reason
> [besides the 
> sports channels and others we like to watch = we don't
> watch all that 
> much but when we want to, we are selective].
> 
> I actually have not had a problem with Mediacom = initially
> there 
> were some issues but the guy came out and switched out all
> the 
> connectors and cables and it has worked just fine
> since.? We have 
> little down time? and if something happens, I'm on the
> horn 
> immediately to politely and firmly insist on service.
> 
> I think every provider has problems and also at times does
> well.? You 
> just need to find what you want and unless there is a great
> financial 
> savings, dont' switch = become a special consumer for that
> vendor.
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
> http://blog.JourneyZing.com? [photography]; 
> http://www.herringlaw.com?
> [civilrights/discrimination]; 
> http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/?
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Thu Aug 20 16:32:59 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:32:59 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Point of Sale and Business Accounting Application?
In-Reply-To: <540599.8816.qm@web110309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <540599.8816.qm@web110309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p06240838c6b37171a9de@[10.0.1.192]>

thanks for the info== I have the license I need on my machine and 
really don't want to be using QB on my laptops or time off....
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Thu Aug 20 16:35:21 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:35:21 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Does anyone here in town use DevonThink?
Message-ID: <p0624083ac6b371e8c5a4@[10.0.1.192]>

I have the program and need to get it doing whatever the wonderful 
thing it is going to do == would like to talk to someone who has it 
and works with it.  Thanks.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From jon at mac-consultant.com  Thu Aug 20 17:09:21 2009
From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:09:21 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Does anyone here in town use DevonThink?
In-Reply-To: <p0624083ac6b371e8c5a4@[10.0.1.192]>
References: <p0624083ac6b371e8c5a4@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <13184591-110D-4D22-9426-B43E723E04B7@mac-consultant.com>

I think I've tried it, but am using ShoveBox for this type of utility  
currently, as I thought that DevonThink was overkill. All I wanted was  
something to replace the millions of text documents that I seem to  
generate in a year with lists of things to do.


On Aug 20, 2009, at 4:35 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> I have the program and need to get it doing whatever the wonderful
> thing it is going to do == would like to talk to someone who has it
> and works with it.  Thanks.
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs:
> http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography];
> http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination];
> http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].
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From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 21 01:18:28 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:18:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [DM-MUG] Does anyone here in town use DevonThink?
In-Reply-To: <13184591-110D-4D22-9426-B43E723E04B7@mac-consultant.com>
Message-ID: <246867.76682.qm@web110307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Not heard of either one. Wish I could be more help. sorry.

--- On Thu, 8/20/09, Jon Thompson <jon at mac-consultant.com> wrote:

> From: Jon Thompson <jon at mac-consultant.com>
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Does anyone here in town use DevonThink?
> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 5:09 PM
> I think I've tried it, but am using
> ShoveBox for this type of utility? 
> currently, as I thought that DevonThink was overkill. All I
> wanted was? 
> something to replace the millions of text documents that I
> seem to? 
> generate in a year with lists of things to do.
> 
> 
> On Aug 20, 2009, at 4:35 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
> 
> > I have the program and need to get it doing whatever
> the wonderful
> > thing it is going to do == would like to talk to
> someone who has it
> > and works with it.? Thanks.
> > -- 
> > Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs:
> > http://blog.JourneyZing.com? [photography];
> > http://www.herringlaw.com?
> [civilrights/discrimination];
> > http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/?
> [personal].
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From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 21 01:19:48 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:19:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [DM-MUG] Design Software for Mac | DesignPro for Mac | Avery
In-Reply-To: <0CA0F400-53C5-4A03-AFD1-989B8F107D04@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <573968.89330.qm@web110316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Wonderful! Thanks for the info and the link!

--- On Thu, 8/20/09, Don Patridge <donald.patridge at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Don Patridge <donald.patridge at gmail.com>
> Subject: [DM-MUG] Design Software for Mac | DesignPro for Mac | Avery
> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 9:07 AM
> I mentioned the Avery.com Mac
> software and forgot to include the? 
> address for the download. This is not a template situation,
> as? 
> mentioned by a previous poster, but a full fledge software
> program. My? 
> suggestion is to download the program and give it a try
> since the? 
> program is free.
> 
> http://www.avery.com/avery/en_us/Templates-%26-Software/Software/Avery-DesignPro-for-Mac.htm?N=4294967076%204294965756&refchannel=3980ac83ae70a110VgnVCM1000002118140aRCRD
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Sat Aug 22 09:25:30 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 09:25:30 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] O'Reilly info on webcast
Message-ID: <p06240803c6b5b013a84a@[10.0.1.192]>

just fyi -= go to link below to get info - sounds a bit like TED

We've just launched a new webcast series focusing on issues and 
concerns that transcend national boundaries. The O'Reilly Radar 
Global Issues Webcast Series will feature scientists, technologists, 
and other thought leaders seeking to inform and engage O'Reilly's 
audience about the most pressing issues of the day, including energy, 
climate, the environment, and globalization. The series, offered free 
of charge, is designed to educate as well as involve the audience in 
an ongoing discussion about these topics.   For more information 
about the O'Reilly Radar Global Issues Webcast Series and other 
O'Reilly webcasts, see: oreilly.com/webcasts

-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
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From scmurdock at aol.com  Sat Aug 22 11:53:47 2009
From: scmurdock at aol.com (Stanley Murdock)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 11:53:47 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] O'Reilly info on webcast
In-Reply-To: <p06240803c6b5b013a84a@[10.0.1.192]>
References: <p06240803c6b5b013a84a@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <227B9EF3-32F1-4E31-8223-DCE0478F355D@aol.com>

Just fyi, not all of us in this group are O'Reilly fans.  Bill O is  
not trying to educate but to brainwash IMHO !!!    Stan Murdock
On Aug 22, 2009, at 9:25 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> just fyi -= go to link below to get info - sounds a bit like TED
>
> We've just launched a new webcast series focusing on issues and  
> concerns that transcend national boundaries. The O'Reilly Radar  
> Global Issues Webcast Series will feature scientists,  
> technologists, and other thought leaders seeking to inform and  
> engage O'Reilly's audience about the most pressing issues of the  
> day, including energy, climate, the environment, and globalization.  
> The series, offered free of charge, is designed to educate as well  
> as involve the audience in an ongoing discussion about these  
> topics.   For more information about the O'Reilly Radar Global  
> Issues Webcast Series and other O'Reilly webcasts, see: oreilly.com/ 
> webcasts
>
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs:  http:// 
> blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography];  http://www.herringlaw.com   
> [civilrights/discrimination]; http://victorialherring.typepad.com/ 
> serendipity/  [personal].
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From djweis at internetsolver.com  Sat Aug 22 11:54:44 2009
From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 11:54:44 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] O'Reilly info on webcast
In-Reply-To: <227B9EF3-32F1-4E31-8223-DCE0478F355D@aol.com>
References: <p06240803c6b5b013a84a@[10.0.1.192]>
	<227B9EF3-32F1-4E31-8223-DCE0478F355D@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4A9022D4.2090501@internetsolver.com>


I think the brainwashing worked, this is O'Reilly the book publisher, 
not the TV personality.

Stanley Murdock wrote:
> Just fyi, not all of us in this group are O'Reilly fans.  Bill O is not 
> trying to educate but to brainwash IMHO !!!    Stan Murdock
> On Aug 22, 2009, at 9:25 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
> 
>> just fyi -= go to link below to get info - sounds a bit like TED
>>
>> We've just launched a new webcast series focusing on issues and 
>> concerns that transcend national boundaries. The O'Reilly Radar Global 
>> Issues Webcast Series will feature scientists, technologists, and 
>> other thought leaders seeking to inform and engage O'Reilly's audience 
>> about the most pressing issues of the day, including energy, climate, 
>> the environment, and globalization. The series, offered free of 
>> charge, is designed to educate as well as involve the audience in an 
>> ongoing discussion about these topics.   For more information about 
>> the O'Reilly Radar Global Issues Webcast Series and other O'Reilly 
>> webcasts, see:* oreilly.com/webcasts*
>>
>> -- 
>> *Victoria L. Herring*, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs:  
>> http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography];  
>> http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
>> http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Sat Aug 22 12:16:11 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 12:16:11 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] O'Reilly info on webcast
In-Reply-To: <4A9022D4.2090501@internetsolver.com>
References: <p06240803c6b5b013a84a@[10.0.1.192]>
	<227B9EF3-32F1-4E31-8223-DCE0478F355D@aol.com>
	<4A9022D4.2090501@internetsolver.com>
Message-ID: <p06240812c6b5d8361068@[10.0.1.192]>

>I think the brainwashing worked, this is O'Reilly the book publisher,
>not the TV personality.

Sorry, I thought everyone knew that O'Reilly is the book 
publisher...I wouldn't post political stuff to here, but thought the 
publication and webcast info would be relevant.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From susankay521 at mchsi.com  Sat Aug 22 15:24:52 2009
From: susankay521 at mchsi.com (Susan Seidenfeld)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 15:24:52 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] O'Reilly info on webcast
In-Reply-To: <227B9EF3-32F1-4E31-8223-DCE0478F355D@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C6B5BE44.A05E%susankay521@mchsi.com>

On 8/22/09 11:53 AM, "Stanley Murdock" <scmurdock at aol.com> wrote:

> Just fyi, not all of us in this group are O'Reilly fans. ?Bill O is not trying
> to educate but to brainwash IMHO !!! ? ?Stan Murdock
> On Aug 22, 2009, at 9:25 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
> 
>>  
>> just fyi -= go to link below to get info - sounds a bit like TED
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> We've just launched a new webcast series focusing on issues and concerns that
>> transcend national boundaries. The O'Reilly Radar Global Issues Webcast
>> Series will feature scientists, technologists, and other thought leaders
>> seeking to inform and engage O'Reilly's audience about the most pressing
>> issues of the day, including energy, climate, the environment, and
>> globalization. The series, offered free of charge, is designed to educate as
>> well as involve the audience in an ongoing discussion about these topics.??
>> For more information about the O'Reilly Radar Global Issues Webcast Series
>> and other O'Reilly webcasts, see: oreilly.com/webcasts
>>  
>> 
>>  

Thanks for clarification. I wondered if  info might not be evenhanded.
_____________________________________
Susan Seidenfeld


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From alan.maupin at gmail.com  Sat Aug 22 17:06:35 2009
From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 17:06:35 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] O'Reilly info on webcast
In-Reply-To: <p06240803c6b5b013a84a@[10.0.1.192]>
References: <p06240803c6b5b013a84a@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <6256BAA1-0493-4CB6-82F6-77605A8E79EF@gmail.com>

Thanks Ms. Herring - excellent source of information.


On Aug 22, 2009, at 9:25 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> just fyi -= go to link below to get info - sounds a bit like TED
>
> We've just launched a new webcast series focusing on issues and  
> concerns that transcend national boundaries. The O'Reilly Radar  
> Global Issues Webcast Series will feature scientists, technologists,  
> and other thought leaders seeking to inform and engage O'Reilly's  
> audience about the most pressing issues of the day, including  
> energy, climate, the environment, and globalization. The series,  
> offered free of charge, is designed to educate as well as involve  
> the audience in an ongoing discussion about these topics.   For more  
> information about the O'Reilly Radar Global Issues Webcast Series  
> and other O'Reilly webcasts, see: oreilly.com/webcasts
>
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs:  http://blog.JourneyZing.com 
>   [photography];  http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/ 
> discrimination];http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/   
> [personal].
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From scmurdock at aol.com  Sat Aug 22 21:05:57 2009
From: scmurdock at aol.com (Stanley Murdock)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 21:05:57 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] O'Reilly
Message-ID: <FE486CF1-81A7-442A-8D88-1812870C682C@aol.com>

I beg your pardon, Ms. Herring.  But I guess I don't understand why  
you think everyone on this list would know that  O'Reilly is a book  
publisher.  I think I am a fairly well educated and I read widely,  
but I did not have a clue as to the O'Reilly  publishing company.      
Stan Murdock

From alan.maupin at gmail.com  Sat Aug 22 22:58:24 2009
From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 22:58:24 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] O'Reilly
In-Reply-To: <FE486CF1-81A7-442A-8D88-1812870C682C@aol.com>
References: <FE486CF1-81A7-442A-8D88-1812870C682C@aol.com>
Message-ID: <9F6D69BE-617D-49EF-A060-2C954183E1F4@gmail.com>

Mr. Murdock,

It is my understanding that most computer enthusiast are familiar with  
the extensive collection of O'Reilly books on technology.   It  
wouldn't be unusual for that assumption to be made.

Please see this link for a better overview on jO'Reilly:   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Reilly_Books

On Aug 22, 2009, at 9:05 PM, Stanley Murdock wrote:

> I beg your pardon, Ms. Herring.  But I guess I don't understand why
> you think everyone on this list would know that  O'Reilly is a book
> publisher.  I think I am a fairly well educated and I read widely,
> but I did not have a clue as to the O'Reilly  publishing company.
> Stan Murdock
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From inflatablesoulmate at brothersofchaos.com  Sat Aug 22 23:27:29 2009
From: inflatablesoulmate at brothersofchaos.com (Matt Stanton)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 23:27:29 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] O'Reilly
In-Reply-To: <9F6D69BE-617D-49EF-A060-2C954183E1F4@gmail.com>
References: <FE486CF1-81A7-442A-8D88-1812870C682C@aol.com>
	<9F6D69BE-617D-49EF-A060-2C954183E1F4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A90C531.4090000@brothersofchaos.com>

Many of the O'Reilly books tend to lean toward the open-source 
community, and while Mac OS X has brought many open-source folks to the 
borders of the Mac world, I think there's a good possibility that the 
average home Mac user may not have had the opportunity to discover this 
book series.  Mac users who do any sort of web work will more than 
likely have found the O'Reilly series to be profoundly helpful, though.

I've had the pleasure of owning the Programming Perl and the DNS and 
BIND O'Reilly books for some time, now, and I must say that they have 
both served me quite well.  Digging through online tutorials to try to 
solve a programming task or to look up how you accomplish something in 
BIND has always been maddening, and the O'Reilly books have made 
anything I've ever needed to know available at my fingertips.

Sadly, politics has gotten so out of hand lately that people are ready 
to jump at anything that has any conceived connection.  It is just 
another example of tv media hounding the public with their agendas, 
turning us against one another for stuff that in the long run is too 
confusing to work or matter.  If only one could change a network's 
business plan with a swift fist to the mouth once in a while.  Sadly, 
even the linux users group list is currently being raided by this 
political crap.

Alan Maupin wrote:
> Mr. Murdock,
>
> It is my understanding that most computer enthusiast are familiar with 
> the extensive collection of O'Reilly books on technology.   It 
> wouldn't be unusual for that assumption to be made. 
>
> Please see this link for a better overview on jO'Reilly: 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Reilly_Books
>
> On Aug 22, 2009, at 9:05 PM, Stanley Murdock wrote:
>
>> I beg your pardon, Ms. Herring.  But I guess I don't understand why  
>> you think everyone on this list would know that  O'Reilly is a book  
>> publisher.  I think I am a fairly well educated and I read widely,  
>> but I did not have a clue as to the O'Reilly  publishing company.      
>> Stan Murdock
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From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 23 00:04:48 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 22:04:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [DM-MUG] O'Reilly, oh really?
In-Reply-To: <4A90C531.4090000@brothersofchaos.com>
Message-ID: <262053.31072.qm@web110301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I agree with the statement from Stan Murdock. I initially thought it strange to bring up a political news figure. Personally, the list of Print publishers I rattle off the top of my head are publishers like Random House, Meredith Corp, Gannett, Pearson's, or Houghton Muffin. Although, ironically, I also have a dust-covered, released pre-Mac OS X, old copy of Programming Perl, Matt Stanton refers to. 

Simply put: Funny how context can make a world of difference. 

--- On Sat, 8/22/09, Matt Stanton <inflatablesoulmate at brothersofchaos.com> wrote:

> From: Matt Stanton <inflatablesoulmate at brothersofchaos.com>
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] O'Reilly
> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 11:27 PM
> Many of the O'Reilly books tend to
> lean toward the open-source 
> community, and while Mac OS X has brought many open-source
> folks to the 
> borders of the Mac world, I think there's a good
> possibility that the 
> average home Mac user may not have had the opportunity to
> discover this 
> book series.? Mac users who do any sort of web work
> will more than 
> likely have found the O'Reilly series to be profoundly
> helpful, though.
> 
> I've had the pleasure of owning the Programming Perl and
> the DNS and 
> BIND O'Reilly books for some time, now, and I must say that
> they have 
> both served me quite well.? Digging through online
> tutorials to try to 
> solve a programming task or to look up how you accomplish
> something in 
> BIND has always been maddening, and the O'Reilly books have
> made 
> anything I've ever needed to know available at my
> fingertips.
> 
> Sadly, politics has gotten so out of hand lately that
> people are ready 
> to jump at anything that has any conceived
> connection.? It is just 
> another example of tv media hounding the public with their
> agendas, 
> turning us against one another for stuff that in the long
> run is too 
> confusing to work or matter.? If only one could change
> a network's 
> business plan with a swift fist to the mouth once in a
> while.? Sadly, 
> even the linux users group list is currently being raided
> by this 
> political crap.
> 
> Alan Maupin wrote:
> > Mr. Murdock,
> >
> > It is my understanding that most computer enthusiast
> are familiar with 
> > the extensive collection of O'Reilly books on
> technology.???It 
> > wouldn't be unusual for that assumption to be made. 
> >
> > Please see this link for a better overview on
> jO'Reilly: 
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Reilly_Books
> >
> > On Aug 22, 2009, at 9:05 PM, Stanley Murdock wrote:
> >
> >> I beg your pardon, Ms. Herring.? But I guess
> I don't understand why? 
> >> you think everyone on this list would know
> that? O'Reilly is a book? 
> >> publisher.? I think I am a fairly well
> educated and I read widely,? 
> >> but I did not have a clue as to the O'Reilly?
> publishing company.? ? ? 
> >> Stan Murdock
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From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 23 00:06:25 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 22:06:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [DM-MUG] O'Reilly info on webcast
In-Reply-To: <p06240803c6b5b013a84a@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <237177.81750.qm@web110303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Thanks for the links. :) very useful.

--- On Sat, 8/22/09, Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com> wrote:

> From: Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com>
> Subject: [DM-MUG] O'Reilly info on webcast
> To: "MUG Des Moines" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 9:25 AM
> 
> O'Reilly info on
> webcast 
> just fyi -= go to link below to get info - sounds a
> bit like
> TED
> 
> 
> We've just
> launched a new webcast series focusing on issues and
> concerns that
> transcend national boundaries. The O'Reilly Radar
> Global Issues
> Webcast Series will feature scientists, technologists, and
> other
> thought leaders seeking to inform and engage
> O'Reilly's audience about
> the most pressing issues of the day, including energy,
> climate, the
> environment, and globalization. The series, offered free of
> charge, is
> designed to educate as well as involve the audience in an
> ongoing
> discussion about these topics.?? For more
> information about
> the O'Reilly Radar Global Issues Webcast Series and
> other O'Reilly
> webcasts, see: oreilly.com/webcasts
> 
> 
> -- 
>  
> Victoria L. Herring, Des
> Moines,
> Iowa. Blogs:? http://blog.JourneyZing.com?
> [photography];?
> http://www.herringlaw.com?
> [civilrights/discrimination];
> http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/?
> [personal].
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From big.smelly at gmail.com  Sun Aug 23 10:15:25 2009
From: big.smelly at gmail.com (Chris R Rinehart)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 10:15:25 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] DNS settings and youtube stutter
In-Reply-To: <4A90C531.4090000@brothersofchaos.com>
References: <FE486CF1-81A7-442A-8D88-1812870C682C@aol.com>
	<9F6D69BE-617D-49EF-A060-2C954183E1F4@gmail.com>
	<4A90C531.4090000@brothersofchaos.com>
Message-ID: <3927B720-4694-4254-9C79-32191922118D@gmail.com>

Hello All
A while back I changed the DNS settings on my router due to security  
concerns. My wife has an older g3 ibook and since I did this youtube  
is virtually unwatchable. I've adjusted the buffer settings and  
increased the cache size. I'm not sure if the DNS setting have  
anything to do with it. Does anyone else have any experience with this  
problem?  We have the 7mb DSL and other downloads are fast. Thanks


Better a live dog than a dead king.
Chris R Rinehart
big.smelly at gmail.com




From alan.maupin at gmail.com  Sun Aug 23 11:30:50 2009
From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 11:30:50 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] O'Reilly
In-Reply-To: <4A90C531.4090000@brothersofchaos.com>
References: <FE486CF1-81A7-442A-8D88-1812870C682C@aol.com>
	<9F6D69BE-617D-49EF-A060-2C954183E1F4@gmail.com>
	<4A90C531.4090000@brothersofchaos.com>
Message-ID: <A79D7381-8D2D-4C1D-99ED-225B9EDF129D@gmail.com>

If before this post you were not aware of O'Reilly the computer book  
publisher, then consider yourself now informed.  I performed a query  
on the O'Reilly web site and used Mac as the search term.  That query  
returned 4,721 hits.  Follow this link to see the results.  http://search.oreilly.com/?q=Mac

This is the Des Moines Mac User Group.  The Mac is a computer. The  
operating system on the Mac is OS X and it is UNIX based.   
Specifically, Mac OS X is based upon the Mach kernel and contains  
parts from FreeBSD and NetBSD.  FreeBSD and NetBSD are open-source.    
Matt as you stated, O'Reilly is a publisher of books leaning toward  
open-source but you forgot to mention UNIX.   O'Reilly publishing is  
completely relevant to OS X from a technological standpoint.   In my  
opinion I serious doubt you will find a more relevant collection of  
information on the Mac, period.

The original post included a hard link to the web site that verified  
it was in fact O'Reilly the technology book publisher.   How could one  
confuse that.  This is a computer enthusiast web forum.  Why would  
anyone "assume" any topic is political and create a negative public  
response in the forum.   And thank you again Ms. Herring for sharing  
this valuable link to the uninformed users of UNIX technology.



On Aug 22, 2009, at 11:27 PM, Matt Stanton wrote:

> Many of the O'Reilly books tend to lean toward the open-source
> community, and while Mac OS X has brought many open-source folks to  
> the
> borders of the Mac world, I think there's a good possibility that the
> average home Mac user may not have had the opportunity to discover  
> this
> book series.  Mac users who do any sort of web work will more than
> likely have found the O'Reilly series to be profoundly helpful,  
> though.
>
> I've had the pleasure of owning the Programming Perl and the DNS and
> BIND O'Reilly books for some time, now, and I must say that they have
> both served me quite well.  Digging through online tutorials to try to
> solve a programming task or to look up how you accomplish something in
> BIND has always been maddening, and the O'Reilly books have made
> anything I've ever needed to know available at my fingertips.
>
> Sadly, politics has gotten so out of hand lately that people are ready
> to jump at anything that has any conceived connection.  It is just
> another example of tv media hounding the public with their agendas,
> turning us against one another for stuff that in the long run is too
> confusing to work or matter.  If only one could change a network's
> business plan with a swift fist to the mouth once in a while.  Sadly,
> even the linux users group list is currently being raided by this
> political crap.
>
> Alan Maupin wrote:
>> Mr. Murdock,
>>
>> It is my understanding that most computer enthusiast are familiar  
>> with
>> the extensive collection of O'Reilly books on technology.   It
>> wouldn't be unusual for that assumption to be made.
>>
>> Please see this link for a better overview on jO'Reilly:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Reilly_Books
>>
>> On Aug 22, 2009, at 9:05 PM, Stanley Murdock wrote:
>>
>>> I beg your pardon, Ms. Herring.  But I guess I don't understand why
>>> you think everyone on this list would know that  O'Reilly is a book
>>> publisher.  I think I am a fairly well educated and I read widely,
>>> but I did not have a clue as to the O'Reilly  publishing company.
>>> Stan Murdock
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From cwsmith7 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 23 11:36:49 2009
From: cwsmith7 at gmail.com (CW Smith)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 11:36:49 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] O'Reilly
In-Reply-To: <A79D7381-8D2D-4C1D-99ED-225B9EDF129D@gmail.com>
References: <FE486CF1-81A7-442A-8D88-1812870C682C@aol.com>
	<9F6D69BE-617D-49EF-A060-2C954183E1F4@gmail.com>
	<4A90C531.4090000@brothersofchaos.com>
	<A79D7381-8D2D-4C1D-99ED-225B9EDF129D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5AE9A855-0F4F-4E29-8058-5618FE827C7D@gmail.com>

My first thought was of Walter "Radar" O'Reilly. But I've been on a  
MASH kick lately. ;) j/k

Peace,
CW

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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Sun Aug 23 11:44:45 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 11:44:45 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] O'Reilly
In-Reply-To: <5AE9A855-0F4F-4E29-8058-5618FE827C7D@gmail.com>
References: <FE486CF1-81A7-442A-8D88-1812870C682C@aol.com>
	<9F6D69BE-617D-49EF-A060-2C954183E1F4@gmail.com>
	<4A90C531.4090000@brothersofchaos.com>
	<A79D7381-8D2D-4C1D-99ED-225B9EDF129D@gmail.com>
	<5AE9A855-0F4F-4E29-8058-5618FE827C7D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06240800c6b7224c7528@[10.0.1.192]>

>My first thought was of Walter "Radar" O'Reilly. But I've been on a
>MASH kick lately. ;) j/k

very funny....I'll keep people informed of things but will try not to 
edit out so much info = I didnt' want to burden the list so deleted 2 
paragraphs that would have clarified the context...sorry!!!
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From scmurdock at aol.com  Sun Aug 23 17:32:53 2009
From: scmurdock at aol.com (Stanley Murdock)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 17:32:53 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] O'Reilly
Message-ID: <E06A2965-FDD4-42EE-8857-FCC41ADE7406@aol.com>

Hopefully this will be the final word on O'Reilly.

Let me quote from wikipedia  "...media company established by Tim  
O'Reilly that publishes books and websites and produces conferences  
on computer technology topics"


Let me quote again   "...a new webcast series focusing on issues and  
concerns that transcend national boundaries...etc..."   Reading the  
rest of it, it doesn't sound like a book publishing company, at least  
to me.  With all the screaming and yelling going on about the health  
care legislation going on, I think maybe I could be pardoned for  
jumping to the conclusion that this was something the "Bill"  
O'Reilly  or his company might be putting on.

Anyway, I am sorry if I upset anyone by my assumption.   Stan Murdock

PS....I am a computer enthusiast, but the last computer book I bought  
was "Mac OS X.....The Missing Manual.   And, Yes it does say down in  
the right hand corner
POUGE PRESS
_____________
O'REILLY

But I swear that today is the first time I noticed that.  I bought  
the book because it was recommended to me as "the book that should  
have been in the box".

From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 23 23:31:46 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:31:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [DM-MUG] DNS settings and youtube stutter
In-Reply-To: <3927B720-4694-4254-9C79-32191922118D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <75885.72511.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Update flash and other media players, I'm guessing? I had aa problem with youtube for awhile too. I don't remember how i fixed it. All I remember is i went through and made sure all my media players like quicktime, flash, and etc were updated with the latest version. Check your internet preferences and settings too. Some browsers have a max on streaming video. Sometimes if I delay the new version of my internet browser (firefox) from installing it gets kinda a buggy with loading content. 

since it's an ibook too, there may be a chance it needs more RAM or memory to buffer video.

Good luck!

--- On Sun, 8/23/09, Chris R Rinehart <big.smelly at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Chris R Rinehart <big.smelly at gmail.com>
> Subject: [DM-MUG] DNS settings and youtube stutter
> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 10:15 AM
> Hello All
> A while back I changed the DNS settings on my router due to
> security? 
> concerns. My wife has an older g3 ibook and since I did
> this youtube? 
> is virtually unwatchable. I've adjusted the buffer settings
> and? 
> increased the cache size. I'm not sure if the DNS setting
> have? 
> anything to do with it. Does anyone else have any
> experience with this? 
> problem?? We have the 7mb DSL and other downloads are
> fast. Thanks
> 
> 
> Better a live dog than a dead king.
> Chris R Rinehart
> big.smelly at gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
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From newz at bearfruit.org  Mon Aug 24 09:10:18 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:10:18 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] DNS settings and youtube stutter
In-Reply-To: <3927B720-4694-4254-9C79-32191922118D@gmail.com>
References: <FE486CF1-81A7-442A-8D88-1812870C682C@aol.com>
	<9F6D69BE-617D-49EF-A060-2C954183E1F4@gmail.com>
	<4A90C531.4090000@brothersofchaos.com>
	<3927B720-4694-4254-9C79-32191922118D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080908240710k29a60d15wd2f94951660388fb@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Chris R Rinehart <big.smelly at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hello All
> A while back I changed the DNS settings on my router due to security
> concerns. My wife has an older g3 ibook and since I did this youtube
> is virtually unwatchable. I've adjusted the buffer settings and
> increased the cache size. I'm not sure if the DNS setting have
> anything to do with it. Does anyone else have any experience with this
> problem?  We have the 7mb DSL and other downloads are fast. Thanks
>

You should share what DNS setting you used and why you chose that specific
setting (i.e. why you think it is more secure). If the two events are truly
related the only logical explanation I can come up with is that the new DNS
servers you're using send you to a youtube download location that is less
than ideal for your connection.

A way to test if this is the case is to take your computer to Panera for
lunch (or some other wifi hotspot, maybe the library) and see if watching a
video works better. Or you could revert your DNS settings to the original
value temporarily. (Personally I prefer an excuse to go to Panera for lunch)

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Mon Aug 24 11:43:25 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:43:25 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Tomorrow Night's Meeting
Message-ID: <p06240802c6b87290fda0@[10.0.1.192]>

Site location [Impromptu Studio] is linked on DMMUG.org website and 
it has directions and map etc. on its site.

7pm - starting
if someone wants to bring goodies & liquids that'd be great.

I received some information from LapWorks, Inc. which they wanted 
used at a meeting, including a video presentation on working with 
notebook computers more safely and securely = it's 43 minutes, so my 
thought is to go 20 min. and then break and see whether people want 
to finish or save the rest for next time.

They would like to have some input as to what people think of the video.

As an inducement we received some NIFTY raffle stuff:  a Snake Eye 
[usb light for your comptuer], USB 4 port hub;  3 different lapdesks.

For this month's meeting I'll print one of the lapdesks -- we will 
raffle it off after the presentation.  It's easily worth $20-30 and 
looks like any Targus lap desk.

If time permits we'll just do general discussion.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].
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From big.smelly at gmail.com  Tue Aug 25 13:08:28 2009
From: big.smelly at gmail.com (Chris R)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:08:28 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] DNS settings and youtube stutter
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4080908240710k29a60d15wd2f94951660388fb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FE486CF1-81A7-442A-8D88-1812870C682C@aol.com>
	<9F6D69BE-617D-49EF-A060-2C954183E1F4@gmail.com>
	<4A90C531.4090000@brothersofchaos.com>
	<3927B720-4694-4254-9C79-32191922118D@gmail.com>
	<f3c0b4080908240710k29a60d15wd2f94951660388fb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EE7AB54D-A1E2-43CE-900E-AAC60CC99A34@gmail.com>

I first changed it at work to OpenDNS to protect the pc's from  
malware, worms, etc. I did it at home because we have one pc laptop.  
I really dont remember the old settings and cant find them in any of  
the qwest doc's. I'm not sure if this is the cause and just wondered  
if anyone else had a similar expericence with youtube. Thanks Chris


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On Aug 24, 2009, at 9:10 AM, Matthew Nuzum wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Chris R Rinehart  
> <big.smelly at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello All
> A while back I changed the DNS settings on my router due to security
> concerns. My wife has an older g3 ibook and since I did this youtube
> is virtually unwatchable. I've adjusted the buffer settings and
> increased the cache size. I'm not sure if the DNS setting have
> anything to do with it. Does anyone else have any experience with this
> problem?  We have the 7mb DSL and other downloads are fast. Thanks
>
> You should share what DNS setting you used and why you chose that  
> specific setting (i.e. why you think it is more secure). If the two  
> events are truly related the only logical explanation I can come up  
> with is that the new DNS servers you're using send you to a youtube  
> download location that is less than ideal for your connection.
>
> A way to test if this is the case is to take your computer to  
> Panera for lunch (or some other wifi hotspot, maybe the library)  
> and see if watching a video works better. Or you could revert your  
> DNS settings to the original value temporarily. (Personally I  
> prefer an excuse to go to Panera for lunch)
>
> -- 
> Matthew Nuzum
> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Tue Aug 25 13:53:21 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:53:21 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Microtek scanner
Message-ID: <p06240805c6b9e3460036@[10.0.1.192]>

I have an old Microtek Scanner - flatbed, 36 bit color, USB 
connection -- whoever wants it can have it = you can pick it up from 
me or if you will be at the meeting tonite, I'll bring it....no 
warranties, I just don't need it and want to get rid of clutter
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From alexander at rhoads.us  Tue Aug 25 15:33:54 2009
From: alexander at rhoads.us (Alexander Rhoads)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:33:54 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Bento Guru?
Message-ID: <1251232434.7025.1331595939@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Are there any Bento 2 gurus/experts on the listserv who might be able to
help a Bento newbie design a database?  Project involves linking product
descriptions, wholesaler pricing, and other information for about 200
products that are sourced from 5-10 different suppliers.

If so, please email me offline.



-- 
Alexander Rhoads
Central Iowa (USA)
alexander at rhoads.us



From victoria at journeyzing.com  Tue Aug 25 18:07:18 2009
From: victoria at journeyzing.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:07:18 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Mac User Group Bulletin info = coupons and savings
Message-ID: <p0624080bc6ba1edd8e87@[10.0.1.192]>

>
>User Group Bulletin - August 20, 2009
>5] - APCUG: 2009 Midwest Regional User Group Conference
>........................
>
>The Association of Personal Computer User Groups (APCUG) will hold the
>"2009 Midwest User Group Conference, Technology for the Rest of Us,"
>September 28-30 in Newark, Ohio. Apple User Group officers and members
>are welcome.
>
>Learn more.
>http://www.apcug.net
>SPECIAL OFFERS - APPLE USER GROUP BULLETIN - August 20, 2009
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>These User Group discounts are brought to you by the Apple User Group
>Advisory Board (special thanks to board member Tom Piper).
>
>You must be a current Apple user group member to qualify for these
>savings. Not a member? Join an Apple user group today to take advantage
>of these special offers.
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>1] - MacMemoryStore Apple Memory Upgrades: 15 Percent Off
>.....................
>
>Looking for a great place to shop for Mac Memory Upgrades?
>MacMemoryStore.com specializes in Apple Memory upgrades. The Memory
>Finder allows you to quickly and easily find guaranteed compatible
>memory for just about any type of computer system. By selecting your
>computer manufacturer, family and model, you can be certain the memory
>you find will work in that system.
>
>An exclusive 15 percent off their already low prices is offered to Apple
>User Group members on all memory upgrades.
>
>Coupon code:
>AppleUG15Off
>
>Browse over to the MacMemoryStore.
>http://www.MacMemoryStore.com
>
>This US-only offer is valid through November 30, 2009.
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>2] - PocketMac RingtoneStudio 2: 30 Percent Off
>   ......................
>
>PocketMac makes a variety of productivity tools for PDA and Mac
>connectivity, including using your Mac to support your iPhone. With
>RingtoneStudio2 for iPhone, you can easily create iPhone ringtones. By
>creating and setting ringtones for each of your friends and family, you
>can get an early heads-up before you even look to see who's calling.
>
>  From the regular $29.95 (US) price, Apple user group members receive a
>30 percent discount, which reduces your cost to $20.96 (US). The first
>500 ordering will also get their choice of free iPhone case.
>
>Coupon Code:
>USERGROUP31
>
>Enhance your life.
>http://www.createiphoneringtones.com
>
>This worldwide offer is valid through November 30, 2009.
>___________________________________________________________________
>
>3] - Mac OS X Snow Leopard books: 35 Percent Off
>......................
>
>O'Reilly and No Starch have three upcoming Mac OS X Snow Leopard books.
>Titles include "Mac OS X Snow Leopard: The Missing Manual" by David
>Pogue, "My New Mac, Snow Leopard Edition" by Wallace Wang, and "Mac OS X
>Snow Leopard Pocket Guide" by Chris Seibold. Get up to speed quickly
>with this new operating system.
>
>This user group discount code offer will get you 35 percent off.
>
>Discount code:
>DSUG
>
>To purchase, call 800-998-9938, or go to:
>http://bit.ly/OReillysnowleopard
>
>This worldwide offer is valid through November 30, 2009.
>____________________________________________________________________
>
>4] - That's Easy: Get the Apple User Group Market,
>        Resource Blog & Vendor Discount Offers
>........................
>
>Looking for information on a past offer? Tom Piper of the Apple User
>Group Advisory Board publishes a single page with all current offers,
>expiration dates and codes. Watch for intermittent special offers.
>
>Password until November 15, 2009:
>newest
>
>http://web.me.com/ugab/offers/vendorcodes.htm
>........................

-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 25 18:32:35 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:32:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [DM-MUG] Mac User Group Bulletin info = coupons and savings
In-Reply-To: <p0624080bc6ba1edd8e87@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <358831.35553.qm@web110309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Thanks!

--- On Tue, 8/25/09, Victoria L. Herring <victoria at journeyzing.com> wrote:

> From: Victoria L. Herring <victoria at journeyzing.com>
> Subject: [DM-MUG] Mac User Group Bulletin info = coupons and savings
> To: "MUG Des Moines" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 6:07 PM
> >
> >User Group Bulletin - August 20, 2009
> >5] - APCUG: 2009 Midwest Regional User Group
> Conference
> >........................
> >
> >The Association of Personal Computer User Groups
> (APCUG) will hold the
> >"2009 Midwest User Group Conference, Technology for the
> Rest of Us,"
> >September 28-30 in Newark, Ohio. Apple User Group
> officers and members
> >are welcome.
> >
> >Learn more.
> >http://www.apcug.net
> >SPECIAL OFFERS - APPLE USER GROUP BULLETIN - August 20,
> 2009
> >_____________________________________________________________________
> >
> >These User Group discounts are brought to you by the
> Apple User Group
> >Advisory Board (special thanks to board member Tom
> Piper).
> >
> >You must be a current Apple user group member to
> qualify for these
> >savings. Not a member? Join an Apple user group today
> to take advantage
> >of these special offers.
> >_____________________________________________________________________
> >
> >1] - MacMemoryStore Apple Memory Upgrades: 15 Percent
> Off
> >.....................
> >
> >Looking for a great place to shop for Mac Memory
> Upgrades?
> >MacMemoryStore.com specializes in Apple Memory
> upgrades. The Memory
> >Finder allows you to quickly and easily find guaranteed
> compatible
> >memory for just about any type of computer system. By
> selecting your
> >computer manufacturer, family and model, you can be
> certain the memory
> >you find will work in that system.
> >
> >An exclusive 15 percent off their already low prices is
> offered to Apple
> >User Group members on all memory upgrades.
> >
> >Coupon code:
> >AppleUG15Off
> >
> >Browse over to the MacMemoryStore.
> >http://www.MacMemoryStore.com
> >
> >This US-only offer is valid through November 30, 2009.
> >_____________________________________________________________________
> >
> >2] - PocketMac RingtoneStudio 2: 30 Percent Off
> >???......................
> >
> >PocketMac makes a variety of productivity tools for PDA
> and Mac
> >connectivity, including using your Mac to support your
> iPhone. With
> >RingtoneStudio2 for iPhone, you can easily create
> iPhone ringtones. By
> >creating and setting ringtones for each of your friends
> and family, you
> >can get an early heads-up before you even look to see
> who's calling.
> >
> >? From the regular $29.95 (US) price, Apple user
> group members receive a
> >30 percent discount, which reduces your cost to $20.96
> (US). The first
> >500 ordering will also get their choice of free iPhone
> case.
> >
> >Coupon Code:
> >USERGROUP31
> >
> >Enhance your life.
> >http://www.createiphoneringtones.com
> >
> >This worldwide offer is valid through November 30,
> 2009.
> >___________________________________________________________________
> >
> >3] - Mac OS X Snow Leopard books: 35 Percent Off
> >......................
> >
> >O'Reilly and No Starch have three upcoming Mac OS X
> Snow Leopard books.
> >Titles include "Mac OS X Snow Leopard: The Missing
> Manual" by David
> >Pogue, "My New Mac, Snow Leopard Edition" by Wallace
> Wang, and "Mac OS X
> >Snow Leopard Pocket Guide" by Chris Seibold. Get up to
> speed quickly
> >with this new operating system.
> >
> >This user group discount code offer will get you 35
> percent off.
> >
> >Discount code:
> >DSUG
> >
> >To purchase, call 800-998-9938, or go to:
> >http://bit.ly/OReillysnowleopard
> >
> >This worldwide offer is valid through November 30,
> 2009.
> >____________________________________________________________________
> >
> >4] - That's Easy: Get the Apple User Group Market,
> >? ? ? ? Resource Blog & Vendor
> Discount Offers
> >........................
> >
> >Looking for information on a past offer? Tom Piper of
> the Apple User
> >Group Advisory Board publishes a single page with all
> current offers,
> >expiration dates and codes. Watch for intermittent
> special offers.
> >
> >Password until November 15, 2009:
> >newest
> >
> >http://web.me.com/ugab/offers/vendorcodes.htm
> >........................
> 
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
> http://blog.JourneyZing.com? [photography]; 
> http://www.herringlaw.com?
> [civilrights/discrimination]; 
> http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/?
> [personal].
> _______________________________________________
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From kristau at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 05:26:19 2009
From: kristau at gmail.com (kristau)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 05:26:19 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] DNS settings and youtube stutter
In-Reply-To: <EE7AB54D-A1E2-43CE-900E-AAC60CC99A34@gmail.com>
References: <FE486CF1-81A7-442A-8D88-1812870C682C@aol.com>
	<9F6D69BE-617D-49EF-A060-2C954183E1F4@gmail.com>
	<4A90C531.4090000@brothersofchaos.com>
	<3927B720-4694-4254-9C79-32191922118D@gmail.com>
	<f3c0b4080908240710k29a60d15wd2f94951660388fb@mail.gmail.com>
	<EE7AB54D-A1E2-43CE-900E-AAC60CC99A34@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3effba680908260326v6efd3f18v71fc2b236ffd6aad@mail.gmail.com>

FYI, DNS settings should not effect streaming media once the stream is
started. DNS may effect how quickly a stream is found and begins, but
once the stream begins, there is no DNS involved. At that point, it is
all about the bandwidth.

-- 
Tired programmer
Coding late into the night
The core dump follows

From djweis at internetsolver.com  Wed Aug 26 05:37:24 2009
From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 05:37:24 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] DNS settings and youtube stutter
In-Reply-To: <3effba680908260326v6efd3f18v71fc2b236ffd6aad@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FE486CF1-81A7-442A-8D88-1812870C682C@aol.com>	<9F6D69BE-617D-49EF-A060-2C954183E1F4@gmail.com>	<4A90C531.4090000@brothersofchaos.com>	<3927B720-4694-4254-9C79-32191922118D@gmail.com>	<f3c0b4080908240710k29a60d15wd2f94951660388fb@mail.gmail.com>	<EE7AB54D-A1E2-43CE-900E-AAC60CC99A34@gmail.com>
	<3effba680908260326v6efd3f18v71fc2b236ffd6aad@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A951064.20202@internetsolver.com>

kristau wrote:
> FYI, DNS settings should not effect streaming media once the stream is
> started. DNS may effect how quickly a stream is found and begins, but
> once the stream begins, there is no DNS involved. At that point, it is
> all about the bandwidth.

I saw something about this specific problem on dslreports.com. youtube 
uses an akamai-like content distribution network and the way you get 
directed to a specific server is via provider-specific DNS settings. 
Someone on Qwest DSL would get IP's of specific servers nearby the qwest 
network, someone on Mediacom would get IP's of servers that were near 
mediacom. When you use opendns you lose that benefit and might be 
getting the IP of servers in another continent, etc.

dave



-- 
Dave Weis
Internet Solver
Your Technology Partner
515-224-9229
www.internetsolver.com

From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Wed Aug 26 09:06:52 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:06:52 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Re: [MacLaw] Snow Leopard
Message-ID: <p0624084cc6baf1c7fd0b@[10.0.1.192]>

from another list
>
>Nope, Apple did it to keep its engineers busy during the recession.
>
>Seriously, though, if you have an Intel Mac, and specifically a 64-bit
>processor (Core 2 Duo or Xeon) you will see a significant increase in
>performance in basic operating system level tasks.  If you use
>processor intensive applications that understand multi-threading, you
>will see a performance increase in multi-core machines.  If you use
>Exchange for Email and Calendaring, iCal and Mail are significantly
>improved.
>
>It's primarily an internals-only release, which is why it's
>inexpensive.  Keep in mind, though, you need to already have Snow
>Leopard to make it work, plus you need an Intel machine.
>
>On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Herman
>Guetersloh<hgadvocate at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Is there a reason to upgrade to Snow Leopard?
>  > -- Herman Guetersloh
>>

-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From jon at mac-consultant.com  Wed Aug 26 09:43:21 2009
From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:43:21 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Re: [MacLaw] Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <p0624084cc6baf1c7fd0b@[10.0.1.192]>
References: <p0624084cc6baf1c7fd0b@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <04F53073-4138-4035-AAD0-1F9B12A28B8C@mac-consultant.com>

64 bit will not help most people. Basically, if you ever open a 4 GB  
file, it will help you, otherwise, 64bit is actually slower.

However, the fact that everything is running in native Cocoa, non PPC  
code, and optimized means that _all_ users will see a speed increase.  
Furthermore, as applications you utilize get optimized for some of the  
new technologies, (OpenCL and Grand Central Station) you will see them  
speed up drastically, especially with processes that can be carried  
out in a parallel fashion (many image manipulation algorithms fit in  
this category.)

Everything I hear, this makes machines run very fast. Mail.app opens  
in a blink. Multiple videos play at once without frames dropped.

So is Snow Leopard worth $30- yes, absolutely. Should you wait a few  
weeks at minimum to install, so that you can not deal with early  
adopter woes- yes, absolutely. Is this install worth the normal  
upgrade price- yes, absolutely. Would Apple get the adoption rate with  
the normal upgrade price- no.

-- 
- Jon
On Aug 26, 2009, at 9:06 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> from another list
>>
>> Nope, Apple did it to keep its engineers busy during the recession.
>>
>> Seriously, though, if you have an Intel Mac, and specifically a 64- 
>> bit
>> processor (Core 2 Duo or Xeon) you will see a significant increase in
>> performance in basic operating system level tasks.  If you use
>> processor intensive applications that understand multi-threading, you
>> will see a performance increase in multi-core machines.  If you use
>> Exchange for Email and Calendaring, iCal and Mail are significantly
>> improved.
>>
>> It's primarily an internals-only release, which is why it's
>> inexpensive.  Keep in mind, though, you need to already have Snow
>> Leopard to make it work, plus you need an Intel machine.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Herman
>> Guetersloh<hgadvocate at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Is there a reason to upgrade to Snow Leopard?
>>> -- Herman Guetersloh
>>>
>
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs:
> http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography];
> http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination];
> http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].
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From studias at msn.com  Wed Aug 26 10:06:09 2009
From: studias at msn.com (Geoffrey Stevens)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 08:06:09 -0700
Subject: [DM-MUG] Microtek scanner
In-Reply-To: <p06240805c6b9e3460036@[10.0.1.192]>
References: <p06240805c6b9e3460036@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <COL121-W3D5E559D5D650EE837597A8F70@phx.gbl>


 I also had an Microtek Scanner - flatbed - I bought it in 1985 for $2,000. bucks. It was huge - it could only process one pass at a time, rgb would be three passes, cmyk would be four passes. It took up a whole tabletop - I finally dumped it in a dumpster.
Victoria, Good luck with yours.


> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:53:21 -0500
> To: dmmug at dmmug.org
> From: VLH at HerringLaw.com
> Subject: [DM-MUG] Microtek scanner
> 
> I have an old Microtek Scanner - flatbed, 36 bit color, USB 
> connection -- whoever wants it can have it = you can pick it up from 
> me or if you will be at the meeting tonite, I'll bring it....no 
> warranties, I just don't need it and want to get rid of clutter
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
> http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
> http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
> http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].
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From alan.maupin at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 10:20:26 2009
From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:20:26 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Re: [MacLaw] Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <p0624084cc6baf1c7fd0b@[10.0.1.192]>
References: <p0624084cc6baf1c7fd0b@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <B80E06D9-8125-4451-B9B3-361066252FC4@gmail.com>

I've pre-ordered the Snow Leopard family pack to upgrade a MacPro 09,  
MacBook and MacBook Air.   I certainly hope it improves the MacBook  
Air performance.


On Aug 26, 2009, at 9:06 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> from another list
>>
>> Nope, Apple did it to keep its engineers busy during the recession.
>>
>> Seriously, though, if you have an Intel Mac, and specifically a 64- 
>> bit
>> processor (Core 2 Duo or Xeon) you will see a significant increase in
>> performance in basic operating system level tasks.  If you use
>> processor intensive applications that understand multi-threading, you
>> will see a performance increase in multi-core machines.  If you use
>> Exchange for Email and Calendaring, iCal and Mail are significantly
>> improved.
>>
>> It's primarily an internals-only release, which is why it's
>> inexpensive.  Keep in mind, though, you need to already have Snow
>> Leopard to make it work, plus you need an Intel machine.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Herman
>> Guetersloh<hgadvocate at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Is there a reason to upgrade to Snow Leopard?
>>> -- Herman Guetersloh
>>>
>
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs:
> http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography];
> http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination];
> http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Wed Aug 26 10:58:32 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:58:32 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Microtek scanner
In-Reply-To: <COL121-W3D5E559D5D650EE837597A8F70@phx.gbl>
References: <p06240805c6b9e3460036@[10.0.1.192]>
	<COL121-W3D5E559D5D650EE837597A8F70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <p06240850c6bb0b3ff512@[10.0.1.192]>

well it's not that huge = it's about 1.5' x 2'--- and i don't 
remember it being that slow...and it certainly wasn't that expensive 
= :)

i'll probably just freecycle it before I trash it totally...
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Wed Aug 26 11:09:04 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:09:04 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Re: [MacLaw] Re: Snow Leopard
Message-ID: <p06240853c6bb0e71b4c5@[10.0.1.192]>

>
>Leopard users aren't EXCLUDED from the benefits of the Box Set, but it's not
>as great a deal for Leopard users as it is for Tiger users. Without the Box
>Set, Tiger users would need to buy a copy of Leopard AND a copy of Snow
>Leopard - they can't go straight to Snow Leopard. So the financial savings
>is significant.
>
>For a Leopard user, Snow Leopard @ $29 + iLife '09 @ $79 + iWork '09 @ $79 =
>$187
>Snow Leopard Box Set = $169 (so if you don't use iWork, for example, there's
>no benefit to the Set)
>
>For a TIGER user (if you don't get a Box Set), you have to buy a copy of
>Leopard from a third-party like Amazon @ $95.99 + Snow Leopard @ $29 + iLife
>'09 @ $79 + iWork '09 @ $79 = $282.99 (and $124.99 for just the OS upgrades)

-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From tyrrell69 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 11:16:41 2009
From: tyrrell69 at gmail.com (Chris Tyrrell)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:16:41 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] iBook G4 hard drive replacement options
Message-ID: <54c5ebf40908260916p228f06f5tf7d6843140e33721@mail.gmail.com>

I want to put a bigger drive in my old iBook, but the options aren't clear
to me. Must it be an ATA drive, or can I also use SATA? There are plenty of
options in the sub $100 range, but SATA seems more common.


Thanks,
Chris
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From studias at msn.com  Wed Aug 26 11:27:01 2009
From: studias at msn.com (Geoffrey Stevens)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:27:01 -0700
Subject: [DM-MUG] Microtek scanner
In-Reply-To: <p06240850c6bb0b3ff512@[10.0.1.192]>
References: <p06240805c6b9e3460036@[10.0.1.192]>
	<COL121-W3D5E559D5D650EE837597A8F70@phx.gbl> 
	<p06240850c6bb0b3ff512@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <COL121-W5636A8E9CE0F0CF828FB18A8F70@phx.gbl>


I am just pointing out I had had a mircotek twenty-five years ago. Thanks for the good meeting last night.
Geoff Stevens

> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:58:32 -0500
> To: dmmug at dmmug.org
> From: VLH at HerringLaw.com
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Microtek scanner
> 
> well it's not that huge = it's about 1.5' x 2'--- and i don't 
> remember it being that slow...and it certainly wasn't that expensive 
> = :)
> 
> i'll probably just freecycle it before I trash it totally...
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
> http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
> http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
> http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].
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From adk at 52761.com  Wed Aug 26 11:38:21 2009
From: adk at 52761.com (Allen Kiddoo)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:38:21 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] iBook G4 hard drive replacement options
In-Reply-To: <54c5ebf40908260916p228f06f5tf7d6843140e33721@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54c5ebf40908260916p228f06f5tf7d6843140e33721@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <678823f00908260938n41c23f7dob979fa828579eafd@mail.gmail.com>

Nope. It will be ATA.

Here is how to.
http://www.ifixit.com/Guide

Suggest if you do it yourself- When taking out screws tape them to a
sheet of paper and label with the step number from the guide.
You have about 25 to 30 screws to get to the HD.

Allen Kiddoo


On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Chris Tyrrell<tyrrell69 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I want to put a bigger drive in my old iBook, but the options aren't clear
> to me. Must it be an ATA drive, or can I also use SATA? There are plenty of
> options in the sub $100 range, but SATA seems more common.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
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From thorgrim at imaginarytower.org  Wed Aug 26 12:52:20 2009
From: thorgrim at imaginarytower.org (David McLaughlin)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:52:20 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] iBook G4 hard drive replacement options
In-Reply-To: <678823f00908260938n41c23f7dob979fa828579eafd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54c5ebf40908260916p228f06f5tf7d6843140e33721@mail.gmail.com>
	<678823f00908260938n41c23f7dob979fa828579eafd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7393FDC1-8F2C-41B0-B47B-37581B28B0C9@imaginarytower.org>

> Suggest if you do it yourself- When taking out screws tape them to a
> sheet of paper and label with the step number from the guide.
> You have about 25 to 30 screws to get to the HD.

Draw a crude map of what you see on a sheet of paper for each step.   
Tape the screws in the right locations.

Doing a drive replacement on an iBook G4 is not for the faint of  
heart.  40 steps in and 40 steps out.

It took me about 8 hours over 2 days and I like working with  
hardware.  I won't do one again.  Once was more than enough.

If your thinking about increasing the memory do it at the same time.

David D. McLaughlin

From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 26 13:54:37 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:54:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [DM-MUG] Apple Sales Training Perks.
In-Reply-To: <p06240853c6bb0e71b4c5@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <96020.38657.qm@web110311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>


Some retailers of Apple have an employee purchase program arrangement. Those individuals can sign up for Apple Sales Training Online to participate in the resources and quizzes. Sometimes they have contests, promotional, and other incentive events depending on the level of certification you achieve. You can also be awarded a free .Mac account. You do need to be employed by an authorized Apple retailer to be able to sign up.

The Snow Leopard topic made me think of these other options, since Apple and other retailers will be hiring soon for the holiday season.


      

From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 26 14:15:55 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:15:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [DM-MUG] 64 Bit
In-Reply-To: <04F53073-4138-4035-AAD0-1F9B12A28B8C@mac-consultant.com>
Message-ID: <12653.14888.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Jon is correct in stating 64 Bit is not useful to most people. The reason is simple.  Most applications are designed for 32 Bit systems. Few applications are even offered for 64 Bit processors. 

I'm not quick to judge if it is or is not faster. Intel reports multi-core systems run faster with multi-tasking as opposed to basic needs. Of course, if these activities are RAM intensive, there will still be a lag if your computer doesn't have sufficient RAM for your needs. 

The Mac Pro Quadcore 'Xeon' I use has 3 G RAM. if I take a plunge to put 16G of RAM, it will definitely be faster when multi-tasking.

The speed of the hard drive, known as RPM and the buffer speed (correct me if I am wrong) can also impact the overall performance of the computer. A hard drive with 5200RPM and is standard. An upgrade of a hard drive with 7200 RPMs and higher transfer rates will perform better. This means files will open and copy onto the drive faster. 

Basically there are a lot of variables that can affect speed and performance of a computer and a network.

--- On Wed, 8/26/09, Jon Thompson <jon at mac-consultant.com> wrote:

> From: Jon Thompson <jon at mac-consultant.com>
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Re: [MacLaw] Snow Leopard
> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 9:43 AM
> 64 bit will not help most people.
> Basically, if you ever open a 4 GB? 
> file, it will help you, otherwise, 64bit is actually
> slower.
> 
> However, the fact that everything is running in native
> Cocoa, non PPC? 
> code, and optimized means that _all_ users will see a speed
> increase.? 
> Furthermore, as applications you utilize get optimized for
> some of the? 
> new technologies, (OpenCL and Grand Central Station) you
> will see them? 
> speed up drastically, especially with processes that can be
> carried? 
> out in a parallel fashion (many image manipulation
> algorithms fit in? 
> this category.)
> 
> Everything I hear, this makes machines run very fast.
> Mail.app opens? 
> in a blink. Multiple videos play at once without frames
> dropped.
> 
> So is Snow Leopard worth $30- yes, absolutely. Should you
> wait a few? 
> weeks at minimum to install, so that you can not deal with
> early? 
> adopter woes- yes, absolutely. Is this install worth the
> normal? 
> upgrade price- yes, absolutely. Would Apple get the
> adoption rate with? 
> the normal upgrade price- no.
> 
> -- 
> - Jon
> On Aug 26, 2009, at 9:06 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
> 
> > from another list
> >>
> >> Nope, Apple did it to keep its engineers busy
> during the recession.
> >>
> >> Seriously, though, if you have an Intel Mac, and
> specifically a 64- 
> >> bit
> >> processor (Core 2 Duo or Xeon) you will see a
> significant increase in
> >> performance in basic operating system level
> tasks.? If you use
> >> processor intensive applications that understand
> multi-threading, you
> >> will see a performance increase in multi-core
> machines.? If you use
> >> Exchange for Email and Calendaring, iCal and Mail
> are significantly
> >> improved.
> >>
> >> It's primarily an internals-only release, which is
> why it's
> >> inexpensive.? Keep in mind, though, you need
> to already have Snow
> >> Leopard to make it work, plus you need an Intel
> machine.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Herman
> >> Guetersloh<hgadvocate at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Is there a reason to upgrade to Snow Leopard?
> >>> -- Herman Guetersloh
> >>>
> >
> > -- 
> > Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs:
> > http://blog.JourneyZing.com? [photography];
> > http://www.herringlaw.com?
> [civilrights/discrimination];
> > http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/?
> [personal].
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From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 26 14:19:31 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:19:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [DM-MUG] iBook G4 hard drive replacement options
In-Reply-To: <678823f00908260938n41c23f7dob979fa828579eafd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <965328.77353.qm@web110302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Older Macs also have a limit on the size of the hard drive, due to the motherboards Apple used pre-Intel. Lowendmac.com usually is a good source of info for upgrades to older systems.

--- On Wed, 8/26/09, Allen Kiddoo <adk at 52761.com> wrote:

> From: Allen Kiddoo <adk at 52761.com>
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] iBook G4 hard drive replacement options
> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 11:38 AM
> Nope. It will be ATA.
> 
> Here is how to.
> http://www.ifixit.com/Guide
> 
> Suggest if you do it yourself- When taking out screws tape
> them to a
> sheet of paper and label with the step number from the
> guide.
> You have about 25 to 30 screws to get to the HD.
> 
> Allen Kiddoo
> 
> 
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Chris Tyrrell<tyrrell69 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I want to put a bigger drive in my old iBook, but the
> options aren't clear
> > to me. Must it be an ATA drive, or can I also use
> SATA? There are plenty of
> > options in the sub $100 range, but SATA seems more
> common.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Chris
> >
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From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 26 14:23:17 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:23:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [DM-MUG] Microtek scanner
In-Reply-To: <p06240850c6bb0b3ff512@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <239852.18905.qm@web110303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

You could donate it to a middle or high school's art department? 

--- On Wed, 8/26/09, Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com> wrote:

> From: Victoria L. Herring <VLH at HerringLaw.com>
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Microtek scanner
> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 10:58 AM
> well it's not that huge = it's about
> 1.5' x 2'--- and i don't 
> remember it being that slow...and it certainly wasn't that
> expensive 
> = :)
> 
> i'll probably just freecycle it before I trash it
> totally...
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
> http://blog.JourneyZing.com? [photography]; 
> http://www.herringlaw.com?
> [civilrights/discrimination]; 
> http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/?
> [personal].
> _______________________________________________
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From newz at bearfruit.org  Wed Aug 26 15:08:50 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:08:50 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] 64 Bit
In-Reply-To: <12653.14888.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <04F53073-4138-4035-AAD0-1F9B12A28B8C@mac-consultant.com>
	<12653.14888.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080908261308t3e1ce2e8rbff3caa757c2ebaa@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 2:15 PM, AB <anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> The Mac Pro Quadcore 'Xeon' I use has 3 G RAM. if I take a plunge to put
> 16G of RAM, it will definitely be faster when multi-tasking.
>
> The speed of the hard drive, known as RPM and the buffer speed (correct me
> if I am wrong) can also impact the overall performance of the computer. A
> hard drive with 5200RPM and is standard. An upgrade of a hard drive with
> 7200 RPMs and higher transfer rates will perform better. This means files
> will open and copy onto the drive faster.
>
>
We're getting a little off the topic of the original email here but more RAM
helps even single-tasking users because the operating system uses RAM to
speed up access to frequently used aspects of the system. For example, if
you hit the back button on your web-browser and the page is stored in RAM it
will appear much quicker than if the page has to be read off the disk, which
is still much quicker than reading it over the Internet.

Also, 7200 RPM drives don't necessarily transfer data faster, they just are
able to find the data more quickly which is especially useful if you are
reading data from many places on the drive (like when the computer or a
large application first starts up). SSDs transfer data more slowly but can
find data far far more quickly which gives them the appearance that they are
lightening fast.

There are benefits to moving to 64b but most of them come when we're almost
all on 64bit systems. Right now it's more costly for developers to test
their software for 64b and the return on investment is low because few are
using it. Therefore they optimize for 32bit usage. When 64b is common
they'll optimize for it. What apple is doing for PPC users w/ Snow Leopard
needs to be done in another generation or two for 32bit users.

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Wed Aug 26 15:26:16 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:26:16 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Microtek scanner
In-Reply-To: <239852.18905.qm@web110303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <239852.18905.qm@web110303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p06240803c6bb4ad4d55b@[10.0.1.192]>

>You could donate it to a middle or high school's art department?

yes-- I think they watch Freecycle tho...I just want it out of here...
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Wed Aug 26 16:53:05 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:53:05 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Thanks owed.
Message-ID: <p0624080cc6bb5dd54996@[10.0.1.192]>

We should thank the following people who have contributed some funds 
to DMMUG  for its use.  I just wrote a check to Bryan Baker for the 
website/webname continuation [9 years $82.44].

Alan Maupin
Jenny Jorgensen
Jerry Burns
Geoffrey Stevens
Stanley Murdock
Bob Embree
Kendalll Crouch
Dennis LeMasters
Victoria Herring
William H. Smith
Jeff Muller
James Colby
Jon Engelhardt
Ray Bowler
Carilyn Moe
Darlene Reger
CWSmith
Angela Bennett

We have $55.56 left and if an occasion presents itself for DMMUG 
purpose it'll be used for that.  If people want to continue to send 
in anything [anywhere $5-10 is what most do], mail it to 4331 
Greenwood Dr. DSM 50312.

Thanks to all, but particularly to the above people.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From alan.maupin at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 19:04:55 2009
From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 19:04:55 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Thanks owed.
In-Reply-To: <p0624080cc6bb5dd54996@[10.0.1.192]>
References: <p0624080cc6bb5dd54996@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <00AC3275-ABC1-47F1-B108-E0665553C55D@gmail.com>

Ms. Herring your message is thoughtful for all that donated to the  
DMMUG cause, but you're the one that keeps DMMUG moving positively  
forward.  I'd like to personally thank you for donating the time and  
effort to make it happen.


On Aug 26, 2009, at 4:53 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> We should thank the following people who have contributed some funds
> to DMMUG  for its use.  I just wrote a check to Bryan Baker for the
> website/webname continuation [9 years $82.44].
>
> Alan Maupin
> Jenny Jorgensen
> Jerry Burns
> Geoffrey Stevens
> Stanley Murdock
> Bob Embree
> Kendalll Crouch
> Dennis LeMasters
> Victoria Herring
> William H. Smith
> Jeff Muller
> James Colby
> Jon Engelhardt
> Ray Bowler
> Carilyn Moe
> Darlene Reger
> CWSmith
> Angela Bennett
>
> We have $55.56 left and if an occasion presents itself for DMMUG
> purpose it'll be used for that.  If people want to continue to send
> in anything [anywhere $5-10 is what most do], mail it to 4331
> Greenwood Dr. DSM 50312.
>
> Thanks to all, but particularly to the above people.
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs:
> http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography];
> http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination];
> http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> DMMUG at dmmug.org
> Use this page to modify subscription options:
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug


From djweis at internetsolver.com  Thu Aug 27 07:25:13 2009
From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 07:25:13 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] OS X Mail server additional mail stores
Message-ID: <4A967B29.8080409@internetsolver.com>


I've looked through the settings but don't see how to define an 
additional mail store for the built in mail server to store the cyrus 
mail data. Any pointers or is it manual?

-- 
Dave Weis
Internet Solver
Your Technology Partner
515-224-9229
www.internetsolver.com

From thorgrim at imaginarytower.org  Thu Aug 27 11:46:24 2009
From: thorgrim at imaginarytower.org (David McLaughlin)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 11:46:24 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] OS X Mail server additional mail stores
In-Reply-To: <4A967B29.8080409@internetsolver.com>
References: <4A967B29.8080409@internetsolver.com>
Message-ID: <EE9DB440-6643-4FF7-9A70-ED80900EDE0E@imaginarytower.org>

> I've looked through the settings but don't see how to define an
> additional mail store for the built in mail server to store the cyrus
> mail data. Any pointers or is it manual?

Just to verify, are you talking about Mac OS X Server?

David McLaughlin


From jon at mac-consultant.com  Thu Aug 27 11:56:22 2009
From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 11:56:22 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] OS X Mail server additional mail stores
In-Reply-To: <EE9DB440-6643-4FF7-9A70-ED80900EDE0E@imaginarytower.org>
References: <4A967B29.8080409@internetsolver.com>
	<EE9DB440-6643-4FF7-9A70-ED80900EDE0E@imaginarytower.org>
Message-ID: <D1408D2E-B6C4-401F-B892-D0C23BCDC7B9@mac-consultant.com>

He is.

In Server Admin, go to the Mail Configuration-> Advanced->Database. In  
there, there is a list of additional mail stores.

This is probably a bit off topic for this group.

-- 
- Jon
On Aug 27, 2009, at 11:46 AM, David McLaughlin wrote:

>> I've looked through the settings but don't see how to define an
>> additional mail store for the built in mail server to store the cyrus
>> mail data. Any pointers or is it manual?
>
> Just to verify, are you talking about Mac OS X Server?
>
> David McLaughlin
>
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> DMMUG at dmmug.org
> Use this page to modify subscription options:
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Thu Aug 27 14:44:38 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:44:38 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Two new Take Control ebooks about Snow Leopard for
	your MUG
Message-ID: <p06240807c6bc926f5f82@[10.0.1.192]>

>
>Discounts on Snow Leopard Ebooks from Take Control
>
>Apple says Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard will make
>your Intel-based Mac faster and more reliable for
>a mere $29. That's great, but Snow Leopard also
>brings an extra helping of important changes to
>the user interface: Expose has new options and
>the Services menu is entirely more useful, plus
>there's a new text engine that provides smart
>quotes, smart copy and paste, automatic spelling
>correction, and automatic text substitution. Then
>there are enhanced searching features, a new
>version of QuickTime (with some gotchas), Time
>Machine tweaks, a new input-menu language
>switcher, and, wait for it... you can finally
>show the date on the menu bar!
>
>To help you discover and take advantage of all
>this Snow Leopard goodness, we have new editions
>of our Take Control ebooks about upgrading and
>customizing Mac OS X. Since you're a MUG member,
>you can get these books for 30% off (these links
>put the books directly into your cart with the
>discounts applied):
>
>* Save $3 on "Take Control of Upgrading to Snow
>Leopard," by Joe Kissell. (30% savings, you pay
>$7.)
><http://store.eSellerate.net/s.asp?s=STR5625274989&Cmd=BUY&SKURefnum=SKU77170261125&COUPON=CPN90219MUG&Options=PREVALIDATECOUPON&PT=TCMUG>
>
>* Save $4.50 on "Take Control of Exploring &
>Customizing Snow Leopard, by Matt Neuburg (30%
>savings, you pay $10.50.)
><http://store.eSellerate.net/s.asp?s=STR5625274989&Cmd=BUY&SKURefnum=SKU29861038800&COUPON=CPN90219MUG&Options=PREVALIDATECOUPON&PT=TCMUG>
>
>* Save $7.50 when you buy both ebooks together (30% savings, you pay $17.50.)
><https://secure.esellerate.net/secure/prefill.aspx?s=STR5625274989&cmd=BUY&_cartitem0.skurefnum=SKU77170261125&_cartitem1.skurefnum=SKU29861038800&_Shopper.CouponName=CPN90219MUG&_eSellerate.Options=prevalidatecoupon&pt=TCMUG>

-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From tyrrell69 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 21:46:48 2009
From: tyrrell69 at gmail.com (Chris Tyrrell)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:46:48 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] iBook G4 hard drive replacement options
In-Reply-To: <7393FDC1-8F2C-41B0-B47B-37581B28B0C9@imaginarytower.org>
References: <54c5ebf40908260916p228f06f5tf7d6843140e33721@mail.gmail.com>
	<678823f00908260938n41c23f7dob979fa828579eafd@mail.gmail.com>
	<7393FDC1-8F2C-41B0-B47B-37581B28B0C9@imaginarytower.org>
Message-ID: <B438CC5A-2A71-43E8-A418-FC70647BF90A@gmail.com>


On Aug 26, 2009, at 12:52 PM, David McLaughlin wrote:

>> Suggest if you do it yourself- When taking out screws tape them to a
>> sheet of paper and label with the step number from the guide.
>> You have about 25 to 30 screws to get to the HD.
>
> Draw a crude map of what you see on a sheet of paper for each step.
> Tape the screws in the right locations.

Clever idea! I just might do that.

> Doing a drive replacement on an iBook G4 is not for the faint of
> heart.  40 steps in and 40 steps out.

Hmm. The last comparable hardware challenge I had was upgrading my  
Mac Plus to 1.5 MB of RAM - I was so excited to run MultiFinder while  
my peers were still tinkering with DOS, at least until the power  
supply gave up the ghost. I think I'm up to it. If not, you'll see me  
back asking where to get an iBook repaired cheap. ;)

Thinkin' about that ol' Plus for a moment - I often find myself  
comparing modern drive sizes to the 20 MB SCSI drive that sat under  
it. Something 1000 times bigger is run o' the mill nowadays.

Thanks,
Chris

From cwsmith7 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 22:42:10 2009
From: cwsmith7 at gmail.com (CW Smith)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 22:42:10 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] iBook G4 hard drive replacement options
In-Reply-To: <B438CC5A-2A71-43E8-A418-FC70647BF90A@gmail.com>
References: <54c5ebf40908260916p228f06f5tf7d6843140e33721@mail.gmail.com>
	<678823f00908260938n41c23f7dob979fa828579eafd@mail.gmail.com>
	<7393FDC1-8F2C-41B0-B47B-37581B28B0C9@imaginarytower.org>
	<B438CC5A-2A71-43E8-A418-FC70647BF90A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a82e75f90908272042k569e8e49k51438ae88ab892d0@mail.gmail.com>

All iBooks use IDE / ATA drives. SATA need not apply. Reiterating the drive
size limit: 300, 333, 433, 500 and 600 MHz models would not see a drive
partition larger than 127GB. A larger drive can be put in, but 127 is as
large a piece the machine will see. No point putting in a 250 or 500GB drive
if only 127GB will be seen. I think the smallest available "new" drive is
160GB.
This is an intense upgrade/repair, as was said earlier, and not for the
queasy. Do not rush this, and don't hesitate to ask for help when (not if)
you need it.

We did these all the time when I was at Haddock, and I can now get in and
out of an (white, square) iBook HD repair in about 1.5 - 2 hours. A
(colored, clamshell) iBook HD repair takes the better part of an evening
(you must remove the display). It takes uninterrupted focus, the proper
tools, good organization, and space to spread out. Send the kids to the
neighbors and the cats to the basement.

Peace,
CW

---------------------------------------------------------

CW Smith
Windows & Macintosh service and repair
Apple Certified Macintosh Technician

Phone: (515) 577-1716
cwsmith7 at gmail.com

"Guitar, bass, percussion, Macintosh"

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From tyrrell69 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 23:11:09 2009
From: tyrrell69 at gmail.com (Chris Tyrrell)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:11:09 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] iBook G4 hard drive replacement options
In-Reply-To: <a82e75f90908272042k569e8e49k51438ae88ab892d0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54c5ebf40908260916p228f06f5tf7d6843140e33721@mail.gmail.com>
	<678823f00908260938n41c23f7dob979fa828579eafd@mail.gmail.com>
	<7393FDC1-8F2C-41B0-B47B-37581B28B0C9@imaginarytower.org>
	<B438CC5A-2A71-43E8-A418-FC70647BF90A@gmail.com>
	<a82e75f90908272042k569e8e49k51438ae88ab892d0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <33A630A5-828B-4AD5-8CC5-92E50B53D60F@gmail.com>

What's the max capacity for a 1.2 GHz 14"?

Sent from my iPod

On Aug 27, 2009, at 10:42 PM, CW Smith <cwsmith7 at gmail.com> wrote:

> All iBooks use IDE / ATA drives. SATA need not apply. Reiterating  
> the drive size limit: 300, 333, 433, 500 and 600 MHz models would  
> not see a drive partition larger than 127GB. A larger drive can be  
> put in, but 127 is as large a piece the machine will see. No point  
> putting in a 250 or 500GB drive if only 127GB will be seen. I think  
> the smallest available "new" drive is 160GB.
>
> This is an intense upgrade/repair, as was said earlier, and not for  
> the queasy. Do not rush this, and don't hesitate to ask for help  
> when (not if) you need it.
>
> We did these all the time when I was at Haddock, and I can now get  
> in and out of an (white, square) iBook HD repair in about 1.5 - 2  
> hours. A (colored, clamshell) iBook HD repair takes the better part  
> of an evening (you must remove the display). It takes uninterrupted  
> focus, the proper tools, good organization, and space to spread out.  
> Send the kids to the neighbors and the cats to the basement.
>
> Peace,
> CW
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>
> CW Smith
> Windows & Macintosh service and repair
> Apple Certified Macintosh Technician
>
> Phone: (515) 577-1716
> cwsmith7 at gmail.com
>
> "Guitar, bass, percussion, Macintosh"
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> _______________________________________________
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From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 27 23:33:57 2009
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:33:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [DM-MUG] iBook G4 hard drive replacement options
In-Reply-To: <33A630A5-828B-4AD5-8CC5-92E50B53D60F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <255969.96199.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

127 GB is the max your ibook will recognize and format. You can purchase one larger, like a $160 GB as CW stated. However, the "partition/format disk" part of the operating system will only read 127GB, so the remainder will be wasted. It's a limitation of the hardware, not the operating system.

It's like... trying to get your 16 ounce coffee cup to hold more. You can keep pouring, but it's not going to hold more than what's been predetermined. Some people only fill it halfway... but it still can't hold more than 16 oz. Hope that makes sense?

-A.

--- On Thu, 8/27/09, Chris Tyrrell <tyrrell69 at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Chris Tyrrell <tyrrell69 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] iBook G4 hard drive replacement options
> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 11:11 PM
> What's the max capacity for a
> 1.2 GHz 14"?
> 
> Sent from my iPod
> On Aug 27, 2009, at 10:42 PM, CW Smith <cwsmith7 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> All iBooks
> use IDE / ATA drives. SATA need not apply.?Reiterating
> the drive size limit: 300, 333, 433, 500 and 600 MHz models
> would not see a drive partition larger than 127GB. A larger
> drive can be put in, but 127 is as large a piece the machine
> will see. No point putting in a 250 or 500GB drive if only
> 127GB will be seen. I think the smallest available
> "new" drive is 160GB.
> 
> This is an intense upgrade/repair, as was said
> earlier, and not for the queasy. Do not rush this, and
> don't hesitate to ask for help when (not if) you need
> it.
> We did these all the time when I was at Haddock,
> and I can now get in and out of an (white, square) iBook HD
> repair in about 1.5 - 2 hours. A (colored, clamshell) iBook
> HD repair takes the better part of an evening (you must
> remove the display). It takes uninterrupted focus, the
> proper tools, good organization, and space to spread out.
> Send the kids to the neighbors and the cats to the
> basement.
> 
> 
> Peace,
> CW
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> 
> CW Smith
> Windows & Macintosh service and repair
> Apple Certified Macintosh Technician
> 
> Phone: (515) 577-1716
> cwsmith7 at gmail.com
> 
> 
> "Guitar, bass, percussion, Macintosh"
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From cwsmith7 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 28 00:04:06 2009
From: cwsmith7 at gmail.com (CW Smith)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 00:04:06 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] iBook G4 hard drive replacement options
In-Reply-To: <255969.96199.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <33A630A5-828B-4AD5-8CC5-92E50B53D60F@gmail.com>
	<255969.96199.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <a82e75f90908272204n6b03f4c0r2e3339147a328946@mail.gmail.com>

A quick clarification, before you purchase a drive:
127GB was the upper limit on machines running 600 MHz or slower.

Machines running 700 MHz or faster support "large drives," so any
currently-available IDE / ATA drive will show its full capacity. Your 1.2GHz
iBook supports "large drives."

In brief:

? 300, 333, 433, 500, 600 MHz iBooks are limited to 127GB or smaller. (These
are all G3s, and include all the colored clamshells and early white models).
? 700, 800, 900 MHz; 1GHz, 1.2GHz, 1.33GHz, 1.42GHz iBooks support "large
drives." (These are all later white models, and include faster G3s and all
G4s).


Hope this is clear. I only brought it up because you hadn't said before (I
don't think) how fast your machine was. AB had already brought up the "large
drives" limitation, but didn't state which machines were limited.

Peace,
CW

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Windows & Macintosh service and repair
Apple Certified Macintosh Technician

Phone: (515) 577-1716
cwsmith7 at gmail.com

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From djweis at internetsolver.com  Fri Aug 28 09:45:01 2009
From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:45:01 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [DM-MUG] OS X Mail server additional mail stores
In-Reply-To: <D1408D2E-B6C4-401F-B892-D0C23BCDC7B9@mac-consultant.com>
References: <4A967B29.8080409@internetsolver.com>
	<EE9DB440-6643-4FF7-9A70-ED80900EDE0E@imaginarytower.org>
	<D1408D2E-B6C4-401F-B892-D0C23BCDC7B9@mac-consultant.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0908280944320.7407@charmed.internetsolver.com>


On Thu, 27 Aug 2009, Jon Thompson wrote:
> In Server Admin, go to the Mail Configuration-> Advanced->Database. In
> there, there is a list of additional mail stores.

Thanks, I will check there.

> This is probably a bit off topic for this group.

Did I mispost to the Linux or Windows groups? :-)

dave


-- 
Dave Weis
djweis at internetsolver.com
http://www.internetsolver.com/


From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Fri Aug 28 10:03:55 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 10:03:55 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] fun video of Pogue ref Snow Leopard on NYT Videos
Message-ID: <p06240828c6bda245152f@[10.0.1.192]>

<http://video.nytimes.com/video/2009/08/27/technology/personaltech/1247464249426/mac-os-x-snow-leopard.html>
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From jon at mac-consultant.com  Fri Aug 28 11:30:37 2009
From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 11:30:37 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] OS X Mail server additional mail stores
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0908280944320.7407@charmed.internetsolver.com>
References: <4A967B29.8080409@internetsolver.com>
	<EE9DB440-6643-4FF7-9A70-ED80900EDE0E@imaginarytower.org>
	<D1408D2E-B6C4-401F-B892-D0C23BCDC7B9@mac-consultant.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0908280944320.7407@charmed.internetsolver.com>
Message-ID: <F6D20761-64EA-46A6-B432-C328A49D4516@mac-consultant.com>

No, but there are probably not a lot of Mac admins on this list.

On Aug 28, 2009, at 9:45 AM, Dave Weis wrote:

>
> On Thu, 27 Aug 2009, Jon Thompson wrote:
>> In Server Admin, go to the Mail Configuration-> Advanced->Database.  
>> In
>> there, there is a list of additional mail stores.
>
> Thanks, I will check there.
>
>> This is probably a bit off topic for this group.
>
> Did I mispost to the Linux or Windows groups? :-)
>
> dave
>
>
> -- 
> Dave Weis
> djweis at internetsolver.com
> http://www.internetsolver.com/
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From alan.maupin at gmail.com  Fri Aug 28 11:38:24 2009
From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 11:38:24 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Article: What Snow Leopard Broke
Message-ID: <52EA3DE4-3426-4BCC-BAE1-DAEC809C7311@gmail.com>

I'm reposting of an article i read this morning at <http://www.i4u.com/article26641.html 
 >.
----------------------
With major OS upgrades come broken programs. When you make a bunch of  
changes to something like an operating system, you can't help but  
render certain things incompatible. Apple's just released a helpful  
list of programs that no longer work with the latest build of Snow  
Leopard. For your convenience, we've listed all of the known broken  
programs below.
Software restricted from installing/migrating:

1. Parallels Desktop, versions 2.5 and earlier.

2. VirusScan, version 8.6.

3. Norton Antivirus, version 11.0.

4. Internet Cleanup 5, version 5.0.4.

5. Application Enhancer, 2.0.1 and earlier.

6. AT&T Laptop Connect Card, 1.0.4, 1.0.5, 1.10.0.

7. Launch2net, 2.13.0.

8. iWOW plug-in for iTunes, 2.0

9. Missing Sync for Palm Sony CLIE Driver, 6.0.4.

10. TonePort UX8 Driver, 4.1.0

11. ioHD Driver, 6.0.3.

12. Silicon Image Sil3132 Drivers, 1.5.16.0.

Software that won't open.

1. Parallels Desktop, 3.0.

2. VirusBarrier X4, 10.4.4 and earlier.

3. SPSS 17, 17.1

4. Director MX 2004, 10.2

5. EyeTV, 3.0.0 to 3.1.0

6. Ratatouille, 1.1

7. Aperture, 2.1.1 and earlier.

8. Keynote, 2.0.2 and earlier.

9. Airport Amin Utility for Graphite and Snow, 4.2.5.

All of these programs have been moved automatically by Snow Leopard to  
an inaccessible folder on your hard drive. If you attempt to use this  
software, you will be warned that it is incompatible and cannot be  
used. At that point, you'll need to visit the vendors website and  
download a patch to restore compatibility.

This is why it's usually best to do something like an OS update on a  
Friday. Get it done today, and spend the weekend fixing whatever it  
broke. By the time Monday rolls around again, you should be back to  
full functionality. It's not the most enjoyable way to spend a  
weekend, but it is prudent.



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From jlagnese at gmail.com  Fri Aug 28 12:45:23 2009
From: jlagnese at gmail.com (j lagnese)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 12:45:23 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Article: What Snow Leopard Broke
In-Reply-To: <52EA3DE4-3426-4BCC-BAE1-DAEC809C7311@gmail.com>
References: <52EA3DE4-3426-4BCC-BAE1-DAEC809C7311@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1edacbe20908281045q2cc6d51k393b6c6a027597d8@mail.gmail.com>

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10320314-37.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm reposting of an article i read this morning at <
> http://www.i4u.com/article26641.html>.----------------------
> With major OS upgrades come broken programs. When you make a bunch of
> changes to something like an operating system, you can't help but render
> certain things incompatible. Apple's just released<http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3258>a helpful list of programs that no longer work with the latest build of Snow
> Leopard. For your convenience, we've listed all of the known broken programs
> below.
>
> *Software restricted from installing/migrating:*
>
> 1. Parallels Desktop, versions 2.5 and earlier.
>
> 2. VirusScan, version 8.6.
>
> 3. Norton Antivirus, version 11.0.
>
> 4. Internet Cleanup 5, version 5.0.4.
>
> 5. Application Enhancer, 2.0.1 and earlier.
>
> 6. AT&T Laptop Connect Card, 1.0.4, 1.0.5, 1.10.0.
>
> 7. Launch2net, 2.13.0.
>
> 8. iWOW plug-in for iTunes, 2.0
>
> 9. Missing Sync for Palm Sony CLIE Driver, 6.0.4.
>
> 10. TonePort UX8 Driver, 4.1.0
>
> 11. ioHD Driver, 6.0.3.
>
> 12. Silicon Image Sil3132 Drivers, 1.5.16.0.
>
> *Software that won't open.*
>
> 1. Parallels Desktop, 3.0.
>
> 2. VirusBarrier X4, 10.4.4 and earlier.
>
> 3. SPSS 17, 17.1
>
> 4. Director MX 2004, 10.2
>
> 5. EyeTV, 3.0.0 to 3.1.0
>
> 6. Ratatouille, 1.1
>
> 7. Aperture, 2.1.1 and earlier.
>
> 8. Keynote, 2.0.2 and earlier.
>
> 9. Airport Amin Utility for Graphite and Snow, 4.2.5.
>
> All of these programs have been moved automatically by Snow Leopard to an
> inaccessible folder on your hard drive. If you attempt to use this
> software <http://www.i4u.com/article26641.html#>, you will be warned that
> it is incompatible and cannot be used. At that point, you'll need to visit
> the vendors website and download a patch to restore compatibility.
>
> This is why it's usually best to do something like an OS update on a
> Friday. Get it done today, and spend the weekend fixing whatever it broke.
> By the time Monday rolls around again, you should be back to full
> functionality. It's not the most enjoyable way to spend a weekend, but it is
> prudent.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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-- 
"You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out
of freedom.  What one person receives without working for, another person
must work for without receiving.  The government cannot give to anybody
anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because
the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets
the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get
what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation.

                You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."

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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Fri Aug 28 12:59:28 2009
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 12:59:28 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Article: What Snow Leopard Broke
In-Reply-To: <52EA3DE4-3426-4BCC-BAE1-DAEC809C7311@gmail.com>
References: <52EA3DE4-3426-4BCC-BAE1-DAEC809C7311@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C0886363-05EB-4834-A83C-0245F74C46FB@mchsi.com>

Thanks Alan. From another site:

	<snowleopard.wikidot.com/>

My wife is running Applejack, ClamXAv, Epson print drivers, Office:X  
and Reunion 8 none of which work. Three of these are essential. So I  
need to wait for Reunion to be fixed then upgrade to Reunion 9,  
Upgrade to Office 2008, wait for ClamXAv to be upgraded Then I can   
spend $200 to upgrade to something that costs less than $30.

On Aug 28, 2009, at Aug 28, 200911:38 AM, Alan Maupin wrote:

> I'm reposting of an article i read this morning at <http://www.i4u.com/article26641.html 
> >.
> ----------------------
> With major OS upgrades come broken programs. When you make a bunch  
> of changes to something like an operating system, you can't help but  
> render certain things incompatible. Apple's just released a helpful  
> list of programs that no longer work with the latest build of Snow  
> Leopard. For your convenience, we've listed all of the known broken  
> programs below.
> Software restricted from installing/migrating:
>
> 1. Parallels Desktop, versions 2.5 and earlier.
>
> 2. VirusScan, version 8.6.
>
> 3. Norton Antivirus, version 11.0.
>
> 4. Internet Cleanup 5, version 5.0.4.
>
> 5. Application Enhancer, 2.0.1 and earlier.
>
> 6. AT&T Laptop Connect Card, 1.0.4, 1.0.5, 1.10.0.
>
> 7. Launch2net, 2.13.0.
>
> 8. iWOW plug-in for iTunes, 2.0
>
> 9. Missing Sync for Palm Sony CLIE Driver, 6.0.4.
>
> 10. TonePort UX8 Driver, 4.1.0
>
> 11. ioHD Driver, 6.0.3.
>
> 12. Silicon Image Sil3132 Drivers, 1.5.16.0.
>
> Software that won't open.
>
> 1. Parallels Desktop, 3.0.
>
> 2. VirusBarrier X4, 10.4.4 and earlier.
>
> 3. SPSS 17, 17.1
>
> 4. Director MX 2004, 10.2
>
> 5. EyeTV, 3.0.0 to 3.1.0
>
> 6. Ratatouille, 1.1
>
> 7. Aperture, 2.1.1 and earlier.
>
> 8. Keynote, 2.0.2 and earlier.
>
> 9. Airport Amin Utility for Graphite and Snow, 4.2.5.
>
> All of these programs have been moved automatically by Snow Leopard  
> to an inaccessible folder on your hard drive. If you attempt to use  
> this software, you will be warned that it is incompatible and cannot  
> be used. At that point, you'll need to visit the vendors website and  
> download a patch to restore compatibility.
>
> This is why it's usually best to do something like an OS update on a  
> Friday. Get it done today, and spend the weekend fixing whatever it  
> broke. By the time Monday rolls around again, you should be back to  
> full functionality. It's not the most enjoyable way to spend a  
> weekend, but it is prudent.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> DMMUG at dmmug.org
> Use this page to modify subscription options:
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From VLH at HerringLaw.com  Fri Aug 28 13:26:10 2009
From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:26:10 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Article: What Snow Leopard Broke
In-Reply-To: <C0886363-05EB-4834-A83C-0245F74C46FB@mchsi.com>
References: <52EA3DE4-3426-4BCC-BAE1-DAEC809C7311@gmail.com>
	<C0886363-05EB-4834-A83C-0245F74C46FB@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <p0624082fc6bdd1a83045@[10.0.1.192]>

or not upgrade at all..just keep using Leopard
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa. Blogs: 
http://blog.JourneyZing.com  [photography]; 
http://www.herringlaw.com  [civilrights/discrimination]; 
http://victorialherring.typepad.com/serendipity/  [personal].

From alan.maupin at gmail.com  Fri Aug 28 13:29:57 2009
From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:29:57 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Article: What Snow Leopard Broke
In-Reply-To: <1edacbe20908281045q2cc6d51k393b6c6a027597d8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <52EA3DE4-3426-4BCC-BAE1-DAEC809C7311@gmail.com>
	<1edacbe20908281045q2cc6d51k393b6c6a027597d8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6D736133-2C85-4092-8022-E189CDE72D1A@gmail.com>

I'm not sure what to make of this 64 bit vs 32 bit operating mode in  
Snow Leopard.  I have a 2009 MacPro Quad Core with 8 GB of RAM and I  
just ordered the upgrade to Final Cut 7.    My concern is;  how to get  
Final Cut to use all 8 GB's of RAM.  Is there a secret keystroke on  
boot to make Final Cut use all resources optimally.



On Aug 28, 2009, at 12:45 PM, j lagnese wrote:

> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10320314-37.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Alan Maupin  
> <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm reposting of an article i read this morning at <http://www.i4u.com/article26641.html 
> >.
> ----------------------
> With major OS upgrades come broken programs. When you make a bunch  
> of changes to something like an operating system, you can't help but  
> render certain things incompatible. Apple's just released a helpful  
> list of programs that no longer work with the latest build of Snow  
> Leopard. For your convenience, we've listed all of the known broken  
> programs below.
> Software restricted from installing/migrating:
>
> 1. Parallels Desktop, versions 2.5 and earlier.
>
> 2. VirusScan, version 8.6.
>
> 3. Norton Antivirus, version 11.0.
>
> 4. Internet Cleanup 5, version 5.0.4.
>
> 5. Application Enhancer, 2.0.1 and earlier.
>
> 6. AT&T Laptop Connect Card, 1.0.4, 1.0.5, 1.10.0.
>
> 7. Launch2net, 2.13.0.
>
> 8. iWOW plug-in for iTunes, 2.0
>
> 9. Missing Sync for Palm Sony CLIE Driver, 6.0.4.
>
> 10. TonePort UX8 Driver, 4.1.0
>
> 11. ioHD Driver, 6.0.3.
>
> 12. Silicon Image Sil3132 Drivers, 1.5.16.0.
>
> Software that won't open.
>
> 1. Parallels Desktop, 3.0.
>
> 2. VirusBarrier X4, 10.4.4 and earlier.
>
> 3. SPSS 17, 17.1
>
> 4. Director MX 2004, 10.2
>
> 5. EyeTV, 3.0.0 to 3.1.0
>
> 6. Ratatouille, 1.1
>
> 7. Aperture, 2.1.1 and earlier.
>
> 8. Keynote, 2.0.2 and earlier.
>
> 9. Airport Amin Utility for Graphite and Snow, 4.2.5.
>
> All of these programs have been moved automatically by Snow Leopard  
> to an inaccessible folder on your hard drive. If you attempt to use  
> this software, you will be warned that it is incompatible and cannot  
> be used. At that point, you'll need to visit the vendors website and  
> download a patch to restore compatibility.
>
> This is why it's usually best to do something like an OS update on a  
> Friday. Get it done today, and spend the weekend fixing whatever it  
> broke. By the time Monday rolls around again, you should be back to  
> full functionality. It's not the most enjoyable way to spend a  
> weekend, but it is prudent.
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> DMMUG at dmmug.org
> Use this page to modify subscription options:
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>
>
>
> -- 
> "You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the  
> wealthy out of freedom.  What one person receives without working  
> for, another person must work for without receiving.  The government  
> cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first  
> take from somebody else.
>
> When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work  
> because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the  
> other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because  
> somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear  
> friend, is about the end of any nation.
>
>                 You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."
>
>                 ~~ The late Dr. Adrian Rogers
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From alan.maupin at gmail.com  Fri Aug 28 13:51:50 2009
From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:51:50 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Article: What Snow Leopard Broke
In-Reply-To: <C0886363-05EB-4834-A83C-0245F74C46FB@mchsi.com>
References: <52EA3DE4-3426-4BCC-BAE1-DAEC809C7311@gmail.com>
	<C0886363-05EB-4834-A83C-0245F74C46FB@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <8D354D68-1A1D-411A-AD73-5C16A9B91AB0@gmail.com>

Ray thats an excellent list.  I thought I was good to go until seeing  
it.  The Microsoft Office 2008 report has me concerned.



On Aug 28, 2009, at 12:59 PM, Ray Bowler wrote:

> Thanks Alan. From another site:
>
> 	<snowleopard.wikidot.com/>
>
> My wife is running Applejack, ClamXAv, Epson print drivers, Office:X
> and Reunion 8 none of which work. Three of these are essential. So I
> need to wait for Reunion to be fixed then upgrade to Reunion 9,
> Upgrade to Office 2008, wait for ClamXAv to be upgraded Then I can
> spend $200 to upgrade to something that costs less than $30.
>
> On Aug 28, 2009, at Aug 28, 200911:38 AM, Alan Maupin wrote:
>
>> I'm reposting of an article i read this morning at <http://www.i4u.com/article26641.html
>>> .
>> ----------------------
>> With major OS upgrades come broken programs. When you make a bunch
>> of changes to something like an operating system, you can't help but
>> render certain things incompatible. Apple's just released a helpful
>> list of programs that no longer work with the latest build of Snow
>> Leopard. For your convenience, we've listed all of the known broken
>> programs below.
>> Software restricted from installing/migrating:
>>
>> 1. Parallels Desktop, versions 2.5 and earlier.
>>
>> 2. VirusScan, version 8.6.
>>
>> 3. Norton Antivirus, version 11.0.
>>
>> 4. Internet Cleanup 5, version 5.0.4.
>>
>> 5. Application Enhancer, 2.0.1 and earlier.
>>
>> 6. AT&T Laptop Connect Card, 1.0.4, 1.0.5, 1.10.0.
>>
>> 7. Launch2net, 2.13.0.
>>
>> 8. iWOW plug-in for iTunes, 2.0
>>
>> 9. Missing Sync for Palm Sony CLIE Driver, 6.0.4.
>>
>> 10. TonePort UX8 Driver, 4.1.0
>>
>> 11. ioHD Driver, 6.0.3.
>>
>> 12. Silicon Image Sil3132 Drivers, 1.5.16.0.
>>
>> Software that won't open.
>>
>> 1. Parallels Desktop, 3.0.
>>
>> 2. VirusBarrier X4, 10.4.4 and earlier.
>>
>> 3. SPSS 17, 17.1
>>
>> 4. Director MX 2004, 10.2
>>
>> 5. EyeTV, 3.0.0 to 3.1.0
>>
>> 6. Ratatouille, 1.1
>>
>> 7. Aperture, 2.1.1 and earlier.
>>
>> 8. Keynote, 2.0.2 and earlier.
>>
>> 9. Airport Amin Utility for Graphite and Snow, 4.2.5.
>>
>> All of these programs have been moved automatically by Snow Leopard
>> to an inaccessible folder on your hard drive. If you attempt to use
>> this software, you will be warned that it is incompatible and cannot
>> be used. At that point, you'll need to visit the vendors website and
>> download a patch to restore compatibility.
>>
>> This is why it's usually best to do something like an OS update on a
>> Friday. Get it done today, and spend the weekend fixing whatever it
>> broke. By the time Monday rolls around again, you should be back to
>> full functionality. It's not the most enjoyable way to spend a
>> weekend, but it is prudent.
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> DMMUG mailing list
>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>> DMMUG at dmmug.org
>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>
> Ray Bowler
>
> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>
>
>
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From alan.maupin at gmail.com  Fri Aug 28 13:57:47 2009
From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:57:47 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Snow Leopard cheat sheet for hardware-dependent
	compatibility
Message-ID: <BE63C2B9-ADCF-4854-90BE-4ABA1A8EC44C@gmail.com>

http://blog.fosketts.net/2009/08/24/mac-os-106-snow-leopard-hands-august-28/

PS - Fedex just dropped off my upgrade for Snow Leopard.  Going to  
work installing/upgrading now.

From alan.maupin at gmail.com  Fri Aug 28 14:57:53 2009
From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:57:53 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Snow Leopard cheat sheet for hardware-dependent
	compatibility
References: <BE63C2B9-ADCF-4854-90BE-4ABA1A8EC44C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <84513D4A-E66D-4327-B804-8B464A66FB4E@gmail.com>

Snow Leopard took  a little less than one hour to upgrade my MacPro.   
Painless thus far and seems to have quite a bit more zip.


Begin forwarded message:

> From: Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com>
> Date: August 28, 2009 1:57:47 PM CDT
> To: Des Moines Mac Users Group <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> Subject: Snow Leopard cheat sheet for hardware-dependent compatibility
>
> http://blog.fosketts.net/2009/08/24/mac-os-106-snow-leopard-hands-august-28/
>
> PS - Fedex just dropped off my upgrade for Snow Leopard.  Going to  
> work installing/upgrading now.

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From jon at mac-consultant.com  Fri Aug 28 16:33:05 2009
From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:33:05 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] iBook G4 hard drive replacement options
In-Reply-To: <B438CC5A-2A71-43E8-A418-FC70647BF90A@gmail.com>
References: <54c5ebf40908260916p228f06f5tf7d6843140e33721@mail.gmail.com>
	<678823f00908260938n41c23f7dob979fa828579eafd@mail.gmail.com>
	<7393FDC1-8F2C-41B0-B47B-37581B28B0C9@imaginarytower.org>
	<B438CC5A-2A71-43E8-A418-FC70647BF90A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <657633C1-9309-4AE0-91C7-079C22F983B4@mac-consultant.com>

Just as an informational note..

The wrong screw on these machines in a certain spot (which is easy to  
do) _will_ render the logic board unusable. Be very careful and find a  
good take apart manual.

This site has free manuals for many macs.
http://www.ifixit.com/

On Aug 27, 2009, at 9:46 PM, Chris Tyrrell wrote:

>
> On Aug 26, 2009, at 12:52 PM, David McLaughlin wrote:
>
>>> Suggest if you do it yourself- When taking out screws tape them to a
>>> sheet of paper and label with the step number from the guide.
>>> You have about 25 to 30 screws to get to the HD.
>>
>> Draw a crude map of what you see on a sheet of paper for each step.
>> Tape the screws in the right locations.
>
> Clever idea! I just might do that.
>
>> Doing a drive replacement on an iBook G4 is not for the faint of
>> heart.  40 steps in and 40 steps out.
>
> Hmm. The last comparable hardware challenge I had was upgrading my
> Mac Plus to 1.5 MB of RAM - I was so excited to run MultiFinder while
> my peers were still tinkering with DOS, at least until the power
> supply gave up the ghost. I think I'm up to it. If not, you'll see me
> back asking where to get an iBook repaired cheap. ;)
>
> Thinkin' about that ol' Plus for a moment - I often find myself
> comparing modern drive sizes to the 20 MB SCSI drive that sat under
> it. Something 1000 times bigger is run o' the mill nowadays.
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Fri Aug 28 17:23:09 2009
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:23:09 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] Article: What Snow Leopard Broke
In-Reply-To: <8D354D68-1A1D-411A-AD73-5C16A9B91AB0@gmail.com>
References: <52EA3DE4-3426-4BCC-BAE1-DAEC809C7311@gmail.com>
	<C0886363-05EB-4834-A83C-0245F74C46FB@mchsi.com>
	<8D354D68-1A1D-411A-AD73-5C16A9B91AB0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E6F2AD40-E1BB-4F47-B4BE-14C4FA7BE771@mchsi.com>

Alan,

I thought I was good to go also but my son-in-law mentioned  
compatabilty so I checked. Victoria's suggestion to no upgrade is  
always a good option but Leopard has some things which I want-faster  
and smaller are big. My wife spends many hours each day on the  
computer and on the Internet so any speed gains have an impact.


On Aug 28, 2009, at Aug 28, 20091:51 PM, Alan Maupin wrote:

> Ray thats an excellent list.  I thought I was good to go until  
> seeing it.  The Microsoft Office 2008 report has me concerned.
>
>
>
> On Aug 28, 2009, at 12:59 PM, Ray Bowler wrote:
>
>> Thanks Alan. From another site:
>>
>> 	<snowleopard.wikidot.com/>
>>
>> My wife is running Applejack, ClamXAv, Epson print drivers, Office:X
>> and Reunion 8 none of which work. Three of these are essential. So I
>> need to wait for Reunion to be fixed then upgrade to Reunion 9,
>> Upgrade to Office 2008, wait for ClamXAv to be upgraded Then I can
>> spend $200 to upgrade to something that costs less than $30.
>>
>> On Aug 28, 2009, at Aug 28, 200911:38 AM, Alan Maupin wrote:
>>
>>> I'm reposting of an article i read this morning at <http://www.i4u.com/article26641.html
>>>> .
>>> ----------------------
>>> With major OS upgrades come broken programs. When you make a bunch
>>> of changes to something like an operating system, you can't help but
>>> render certain things incompatible. Apple's just released a helpful
>>> list of programs that no longer work with the latest build of Snow
>>> Leopard. For your convenience, we've listed all of the known broken
>>> programs below.
>>> Software restricted from installing/migrating:
>>>
>>> 1. Parallels Desktop, versions 2.5 and earlier.
>>>
>>> 2. VirusScan, version 8.6.
>>>
>>> 3. Norton Antivirus, version 11.0.
>>>
>>> 4. Internet Cleanup 5, version 5.0.4.
>>>
>>> 5. Application Enhancer, 2.0.1 and earlier.
>>>
>>> 6. AT&T Laptop Connect Card, 1.0.4, 1.0.5, 1.10.0.
>>>
>>> 7. Launch2net, 2.13.0.
>>>
>>> 8. iWOW plug-in for iTunes, 2.0
>>>
>>> 9. Missing Sync for Palm Sony CLIE Driver, 6.0.4.
>>>
>>> 10. TonePort UX8 Driver, 4.1.0
>>>
>>> 11. ioHD Driver, 6.0.3.
>>>
>>> 12. Silicon Image Sil3132 Drivers, 1.5.16.0.
>>>
>>> Software that won't open.
>>>
>>> 1. Parallels Desktop, 3.0.
>>>
>>> 2. VirusBarrier X4, 10.4.4 and earlier.
>>>
>>> 3. SPSS 17, 17.1
>>>
>>> 4. Director MX 2004, 10.2
>>>
>>> 5. EyeTV, 3.0.0 to 3.1.0
>>>
>>> 6. Ratatouille, 1.1
>>>
>>> 7. Aperture, 2.1.1 and earlier.
>>>
>>> 8. Keynote, 2.0.2 and earlier.
>>>
>>> 9. Airport Amin Utility for Graphite and Snow, 4.2.5.
>>>
>>> All of these programs have been moved automatically by Snow Leopard
>>> to an inaccessible folder on your hard drive. If you attempt to use
>>> this software, you will be warned that it is incompatible and cannot
>>> be used. At that point, you'll need to visit the vendors website and
>>> download a patch to restore compatibility.
>>>
>>> This is why it's usually best to do something like an OS update on a
>>> Friday. Get it done today, and spend the weekend fixing whatever it
>>> broke. By the time Monday rolls around again, you should be back to
>>> full functionality. It's not the most enjoyable way to spend a
>>> weekend, but it is prudent.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> Ray Bowler
>>
>> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>>
>>
>>
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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Fri Aug 28 17:25:11 2009
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:25:11 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] iBook G4 hard drive replacement options
In-Reply-To: <657633C1-9309-4AE0-91C7-079C22F983B4@mac-consultant.com>
References: <54c5ebf40908260916p228f06f5tf7d6843140e33721@mail.gmail.com>
	<678823f00908260938n41c23f7dob979fa828579eafd@mail.gmail.com>
	<7393FDC1-8F2C-41B0-B47B-37581B28B0C9@imaginarytower.org>
	<B438CC5A-2A71-43E8-A418-FC70647BF90A@gmail.com>
	<657633C1-9309-4AE0-91C7-079C22F983B4@mac-consultant.com>
Message-ID: <31161DD2-FC27-46D8-8C1F-75F92E294CA9@mchsi.com>

Jon,

I agree. That is why I would spend money with CW and let him have the  
agony.

Ray
On Aug 28, 2009, at Aug 28, 20094:33 PM, Jon Thompson wrote:

> Just as an informational note..
>
> The wrong screw on these machines in a certain spot (which is easy to
> do) _will_ render the logic board unusable. Be very careful and find a
> good take apart manual.
>
> This site has free manuals for many macs.
> http://www.ifixit.com/
>
> On Aug 27, 2009, at 9:46 PM, Chris Tyrrell wrote:
>
>>
>> On Aug 26, 2009, at 12:52 PM, David McLaughlin wrote:


From big.smelly at gmail.com  Fri Aug 28 17:53:04 2009
From: big.smelly at gmail.com (Chris R Rinehart)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:53:04 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] iBook G4 hard drive replacement options
In-Reply-To: <31161DD2-FC27-46D8-8C1F-75F92E294CA9@mchsi.com>
References: <54c5ebf40908260916p228f06f5tf7d6843140e33721@mail.gmail.com>
	<678823f00908260938n41c23f7dob979fa828579eafd@mail.gmail.com>
	<7393FDC1-8F2C-41B0-B47B-37581B28B0C9@imaginarytower.org>
	<B438CC5A-2A71-43E8-A418-FC70647BF90A@gmail.com>
	<657633C1-9309-4AE0-91C7-079C22F983B4@mac-consultant.com>
	<31161DD2-FC27-46D8-8C1F-75F92E294CA9@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <5AE0E623-9AD6-4613-AD70-D25730D44B80@gmail.com>

I do alot of work on my and my families mac's and pc's and I wouldnt  
touch my wifes HD in her Ibook. It is nothing like changing an HD in  
most pc laptop or any desktop. Haddock changed it for me and I think  
it was under  $100 for the drive and installation. Good luck. C


Better a live dog than a dead king.
Chris R Rinehart
big.smelly at gmail.com



On Aug 28, 2009, at 5:25 PM, Ray Bowler wrote:

> Jon,
>
> I agree. That is why I would spend money with CW and let him have the
> agony.
>
> Ray
> On Aug 28, 2009, at Aug 28, 20094:33 PM, Jon Thompson wrote:
>
>> Just as an informational note..
>>
>> The wrong screw on these machines in a certain spot (which is easy to
>> do) _will_ render the logic board unusable. Be very careful and  
>> find a
>> good take apart manual.
>>
>> This site has free manuals for many macs.
>> http://www.ifixit.com/
>>
>> On Aug 27, 2009, at 9:46 PM, Chris Tyrrell wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 26, 2009, at 12:52 PM, David McLaughlin wrote:
>
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From cwsmith7 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 29 00:16:55 2009
From: cwsmith7 at gmail.com (CW Smith)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 00:16:55 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] iBook G4 hard drive replacement options
In-Reply-To: <5AE0E623-9AD6-4613-AD70-D25730D44B80@gmail.com>
References: <54c5ebf40908260916p228f06f5tf7d6843140e33721@mail.gmail.com>
	<678823f00908260938n41c23f7dob979fa828579eafd@mail.gmail.com>
	<7393FDC1-8F2C-41B0-B47B-37581B28B0C9@imaginarytower.org>
	<B438CC5A-2A71-43E8-A418-FC70647BF90A@gmail.com>
	<657633C1-9309-4AE0-91C7-079C22F983B4@mac-consultant.com>
	<31161DD2-FC27-46D8-8C1F-75F92E294CA9@mchsi.com>
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Message-ID: <a82e75f90908282216s1d450307ie7cc85631abb2671@mail.gmail.com>

I'm pretty sure it wasn't under $100. A 320GB drive itself runs $115 at Other
World Computing<http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Western%20Digital/WD3200BEVE/>(I'd
mark it up a little, and Haddock would likely mark it up to nearly
$200
to make a comfortable margin). Labor at Haddock was $125/hr when I worked
there a year ago, and may have gone up since then (I charge quite a bit
less).
Just want to give a reasonable expectation.

Peace,
CW

---------------------------------------------------------

CW Smith
Windows & Macintosh service and repair
Apple Certified Macintosh Technician

Phone: (515) 577-1716
cwsmith7 at gmail.com

"Guitar, bass, percussion, Macintosh"

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From bailey at me.com  Sat Aug 29 08:46:31 2009
From: bailey at me.com (Bailey Ford)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 08:46:31 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] iBook G4 hard drive replacement options
In-Reply-To: <a82e75f90908282216s1d450307ie7cc85631abb2671@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54c5ebf40908260916p228f06f5tf7d6843140e33721@mail.gmail.com>
	<678823f00908260938n41c23f7dob979fa828579eafd@mail.gmail.com>
	<7393FDC1-8F2C-41B0-B47B-37581B28B0C9@imaginarytower.org>
	<B438CC5A-2A71-43E8-A418-FC70647BF90A@gmail.com>
	<657633C1-9309-4AE0-91C7-079C22F983B4@mac-consultant.com>
	<31161DD2-FC27-46D8-8C1F-75F92E294CA9@mchsi.com>
	<5AE0E623-9AD6-4613-AD70-D25730D44B80@gmail.com>
	<a82e75f90908282216s1d450307ie7cc85631abb2671@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F185AB15-2299-4C26-A4EF-D261A2D6046B@me.com>

Just a heads up.

All of the 7200 rpm 320 GB internal laptop drives at newegg.com are  
between 70 and 80 bucks.

- bailey

On Aug 29, 2009, at 12:16 AM, CW Smith wrote:

> I'm pretty sure it wasn't under $100. A 320GB drive itself runs $115  
> at Other World Computing (I'd mark it up a little, and Haddock would  
> likely mark it up to nearly $200 to make a comfortable margin).  
> Labor at Haddock was $125/hr when I worked there a year ago, and may  
> have gone up since then (I charge quite a bit less).
>
> Just want to give a reasonable expectation.
>
> Peace,
> CW
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>
> CW Smith
> Windows & Macintosh service and repair
> Apple Certified Macintosh Technician
>
> Phone: (515) 577-1716
> cwsmith7 at gmail.com
>
> "Guitar, bass, percussion, Macintosh"
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
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From big.smelly at gmail.com  Sat Aug 29 10:46:07 2009
From: big.smelly at gmail.com (Chris R)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 10:46:07 -0500
Subject: [DM-MUG] iBook G4 hard drive replacement options
In-Reply-To: <F185AB15-2299-4C26-A4EF-D261A2D6046B@me.com>
References: <54c5ebf40908260916p228f06f5tf7d6843140e33721@mail.gmail.com>
	<678823f00908260938n41c23f7dob979fa828579eafd@mail.gmail.com>
	<7393FDC1-8F2C-41B0-B47B-37581B28B0C9@imaginarytower.org>
	<B438CC5A-2A71-43E8-A418-FC70647BF90A@gmail.com>
	<657633C1-9309-4AE0-91C7-079C22F983B4@mac-consultant.com>
	<31161DD2-FC27-46D8-8C1F-75F92E294CA9@mchsi.com>
	<5AE0E623-9AD6-4613-AD70-D25730D44B80@gmail.com>
	<a82e75f90908282216s1d450307ie7cc85631abb2671@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <0D86A25E-AE96-4251-8FF4-72D06F62A96B@gmail.com>

I tried to find the bill and realized it was in '05 or 6. My wife  
said it was more like $160 and it wasnt a 320 gig. My original post  
was just to say that as someone with quite a bit of computer  
experience I would rather pay someone else to do that project. Thanks C


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On Aug 29, 2009, at 8:46 AM, Bailey Ford wrote:

> Just a heads up.
>
> All of the 7200 rpm 320 GB internal laptop drives at newegg.com are  
> between 70 and 80 bucks.
>
> - bailey
>
> On Aug 29, 2009, at 12:16 AM, CW Smith wrote:
>
>> I'm pretty sure it wasn't under $100. A 320GB drive itself runs  
>> $115 at Other World Computing (I'd mark it up a little, and  
>> Haddock would likely mark it up to nearly $200 to make a  
>> comfortable margin). Labor at Haddock was $125/hr when I worked  
>> there a year ago, and may have gone up since then (I charge quite  
>> a bit less).
>>
>> Just want to give a reasonable expectation.
>>
>> Peace,
>> CW
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> CW Smith
>> Windows & Macintosh service and repair
>> Apple Certified Macintosh Technician
>>
>> Phone: (515) 577-1716
>> cwsmith7 at gmail.com
>>
>> "Guitar, bass, percussion, Macintosh"
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>> _______________________________________________
>> DMMUG mailing list
>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
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From alan.maupin at gmail.com  Sun Aug 30 11:09:56 2009
From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (alan.maupin at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 12:09:56 -0400
Subject: [DM-MUG] alan.maupin@gmail.com has shared: What's the real deal
	with 64-bit computing in Snow Leopard?
Message-ID: <kp768k.ay71mq@localhost>

alan.maupin at gmail.com wanted to share this with you:




What's the real deal with 64-bit computing in Snow Leopard?
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