From newz at bearfruit.org Mon Nov 3 10:04:56 2008 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Mon Nov 3 10:05:20 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] possible to get intel mac laptop for under $500? Message-ID: Hi, my wife's computer died (an old acer) the other day. I have some money set aside for a new computer, probably not enough but I think I can scrape up about $500. In the PC world there are tons of options for this price, especially if I don't mind getting one that's been gently used. I'm a software developer (mostly websites) and have been wanting a mac in the house so that I could do more complete compatibility testing. Maybe this is my opportunity. Does anyone either have an Intel based Mac laptop for sale for under $500 or know of a trustworthy online source for such a thing? The intel macs came out almost 3 years ago so there should be something around, right? I need an Intel based machine because my wife is still addicted to a few Windows applications (the biggie is MS Publisher) and I need to be able to wean her to a new OS gently (I've been working on getting her to open source software for a year now so she's almost there :-) ) -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode From big.smelly at gmail.com Mon Nov 3 11:21:32 2008 From: big.smelly at gmail.com (Chris R Rinehart) Date: Mon Nov 3 11:22:20 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] possible to get intel mac laptop for under $500? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <916E6EC3-FC8D-4416-98F0-BA031BEF23CF@gmail.com> Not to many of those floating around. I've been looking for something similar for my daughter, a lot of new children's software is pc only and we have a big investment in mac stuff already. I am almost to the point of going hackintosh and making finding a pc that will run os X. Let me know if you find something. C Better a live dog than a dead king. Chris R Rinehart big.smelly@gmail.com > From rutucker at yahoo.com Mon Nov 3 14:17:05 2008 From: rutucker at yahoo.com (Ruth MF Tucker) Date: Mon Nov 3 14:17:28 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Help with Microsoft replacement Message-ID: <372239.54674.qm@web59610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hi, everyone, Sorry about the length of this message, but can't seem to condense my problem. HELP! Can anyone give me an address (not just a phone number) where I can write Macintosh about replacing my Microsoft Office 2008 for Mac Home and Student edition that was lost in the flood of June, 2008? I have called the phone number on their website and got a big run-around. The tech responded that even though I had registered it, I needed the product key number or had to have paid for additional support services. My name and address wasn't enough that she could find anything. Any paperwork was totally destroyed that might have had a product # or the product key was gone! Evidently registering a Microsoft product is a waste of time. The tech said they might be able to help if I had a copy of the invoice (also down the Cedar River), and suggested I return to the Mac store for one. I did but it doesn't have any of those crucial #'s that Microsoft is so fond of. I was able to contact Leister (Reunion Genealogy program) via email and they responded immediately (like 5 minutes) with a access number and passwork so I could download a copy and install it. No problem. Also McAfee is no problem downloading a fresh copy when something happens to the one installed ( had that happen on the new Dell) This is so frustrating when you pay for something and then can't get a replacement when it is damaged or lost without jumping through so many hoops. I never could get the hang of the "hula-hoop". Thanks for listening. Ruth Cedar Falls -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/dmmug/attachments/20081103/be44e503/attachment.html From cwsmith7 at gmail.com Mon Nov 3 16:27:16 2008 From: cwsmith7 at gmail.com (CW Smith) Date: Mon Nov 3 16:27:40 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Help with Microsoft replacement In-Reply-To: <372239.54674.qm@web59610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <372239.54674.qm@web59610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It will do you no good at all to "contact Macintosh" (I presume you mean Apple) for licensure questions for a Microsoft product. That's like trying to get Ford to replace the Michelin tires you had put on your Taurus. You will need to bark up Microsoft's tree (not Apple's) regarding licensure for Microsoft Office 2008. And they're notoriously unsympathetic in such cases as yours. The way they see it, everyone is a criminal until proven innocent. That's why I use as few Microsoft products as humanly possible. Any possibility that any of the damage is covered by insurance? Could a fresh copy of MS Office be included in your claim? Peace, CW -- Curt (CW) Smith guitar, bass, percussion, Macintosh Personal: cwsmith7@gmail.com On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Ruth MF Tucker wrote: > Hi, everyone,Sorry about the length of this message, but can't seem to > condense my problem. > > HELP! Can anyone give me an address (not just a phone number) where I can > write Macintosh about replacing my Microsoft Office 2008 for Mac Home and > Student edition that was lost in the flood of June, 2008? I have called the > phone number on their website and got a big run-around. > > The tech responded that even though I had registered it, I needed the > product key number or had to have paid for additional support services. My > name and address wasn't enough that she could find anything. > > Any paperwork was totally destroyed that might have had a product # or the > product key was gone! Evidently registering a Microsoft product is a waste > of time. The tech said they might be able to help if I had a copy of the > invoice (also down the Cedar River), and suggested I return to the Mac store > for one. I did but it doesn't have any of those crucial #'s that Microsoft > is so fond of. > > I was able to contact Leister (Reunion Genealogy program) via email and > they responded immediately (like 5 minutes) with a access number and > passwork so I could download a copy and install it. No problem. Also > McAfee is no problem downloading a fresh copy when something happens to the > one installed ( had that happen on the new Dell) > > This is so frustrating when you pay for something and then can't get a > replacement when it is damaged or lost without jumping through so many > hoops. I never could get the hang of the "hula-hoop". > > Thanks for listening. > > Ruth > Cedar Falls > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > Technical: cw@digitalstew.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/dmmug/attachments/20081103/e8aa6100/attachment.htm From kristau at gmail.com Mon Nov 3 21:06:32 2008 From: kristau at gmail.com (kristau) Date: Mon Nov 3 21:06:56 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Help with Microsoft replacement In-Reply-To: References: <372239.54674.qm@web59610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3effba680811031906i7ddafea5yd0f12a0e3d4482df@mail.gmail.com> If you get no relief from Microsoft (highly likely), consider "upgrading" to OpenOffice (www.openoffice.org). It is completely free, imports all Microsoft formats, exports to most Microsoft formats, and now has a Mac-native version available. It is a full office suite including word processor (Writer), spreadsheet (Calc), presentations (Impress) and database (Base). It is a hefty download at 162+ MB, so if you don't have broadband, maybe someone can burn a CD of it for you and send it in the mail (yes, I'm volunteering). -- Tired programmer Coding late into the night The core dump follows My GNUPG public key is available at http://www.kristau.net/public_key.asc From thiessenstuart at aol.com Mon Nov 3 21:41:20 2008 From: thiessenstuart at aol.com (Stuart Thiessen) Date: Mon Nov 3 21:41:49 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Help with Microsoft replacement In-Reply-To: <3effba680811031906i7ddafea5yd0f12a0e3d4482df@mail.gmail.com> References: <372239.54674.qm@web59610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <3effba680811031906i7ddafea5yd0f12a0e3d4482df@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6FDBB3E9-F675-418F-838B-134D8696B6AB@aol.com> OpenOffice is a good product. I like it. My only complaint is that they have no good templates. But that is something that will probably come over time. If you prefer something more Mac-like, you could also try the iWork programs (Pages, Keynote, and Numbers). It's about $79 IIRC, and cheaper than MS Office. They tend to work pretty nicely and contain most of the features that average people need. Numbers has a steeper learning curve if you're used to MS Excel or OOo Calc, but it seems to be an interesting tweak on the common spreadsheet approach. I prefer Keynote to MS Powerpoint and Pages isn't too shabby for most things I need to do. I tend to use iWork or OpenOffice for most of what I do personally. For work (which is on MS Office 2007), I tend to use MS Office so that I can avoid the few situations where iWork and OOo doesn't convert. Just my 2 cents worth. Thanks, Stuart On Nov 3, 2008, at 21:06 , kristau wrote: > If you get no relief from Microsoft (highly likely), consider > "upgrading" to OpenOffice (www.openoffice.org). It is completely > free, imports all Microsoft formats, exports to most Microsoft > formats, and now has a Mac-native version available. It is a full > office suite including word processor (Writer), spreadsheet (Calc), > presentations (Impress) and database (Base). > > It is a hefty download at 162+ MB, so if you don't have broadband, > maybe someone can burn a CD of it for you and send it in the mail > (yes, I'm volunteering). > > -- > Tired programmer > Coding late into the night > The core dump follows > > My GNUPG public key is available at http://www.kristau.net/public_key.asc > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From scmurdock at aol.com Wed Nov 5 21:36:12 2008 From: scmurdock at aol.com (scmurdock@aol.com) Date: Wed Nov 5 21:36:39 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Tonight's meeting: Photoshop Elements In-Reply-To: <09DA5A3F-7901-4560-8CC2-90F6C703B4F1@mac.com> References: <09DA5A3F-7901-4560-8CC2-90F6C703B4F1@mac.com> Message-ID: <8CB0DD7F365A313-10E0-1FB0@WEBMAIL-MZ02.sysops.aol.com> Holly---- Would you be interested in helping me set up a Christmas letter, with photos,? for pay, of course. ? Or at least to talk about it. ? ? Stan -----Original Message----- From: Holly Welch To: Des Moines Mac Users Group Sent: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:35 am Subject: [DM-MUG] Tonight's meeting: Photoshop Elements Hi All!? Tonight I will be teaching non destuctive editing, using layers. We will cover:? ? Basic adjustment layers? ? Hue/Saturation? ? Exposure? ? Vignettes? ? Dodge and Burn? ? Selective Color? ? Text? ? Flourishes for your photos? ? Borders? ? Yes, we will be moving quickly, but I will have a hand out.? ? Ray is bringing APPLE CRISP. Bring your own drink.? ? Remember, new location!!!! I hope no one goes to Haddock and wonders where we are!!!!? ? Bryan provided this link for directions to IMPROMTU STUDIO.? ? http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?client=safari&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF-8&num=10&hl=en&msa=0&msid=115352341167305190354.00045a430c131925df618&ll=41.581135,-93.62168&spn=0.004855,0.007381&t=h&z=17? ? Hope to see your there!!? ? Holly? ? ? _______________________________________________? DMMUG mailing list? Use this Address to send mail to the list:? DMMUG@dmmug.org? Use this page to modify subscription options:? http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/dmmug/attachments/20081105/8c85346b/attachment.htm From scmurdock at aol.com Wed Nov 5 21:37:43 2008 From: scmurdock at aol.com (scmurdock@aol.com) Date: Wed Nov 5 21:38:10 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Tonight's meeting: Photoshop Elements In-Reply-To: <09DA5A3F-7901-4560-8CC2-90F6C703B4F1@mac.com> References: <09DA5A3F-7901-4560-8CC2-90F6C703B4F1@mac.com> Message-ID: <8CB0DD8297CE643-10E0-1FBC@WEBMAIL-MZ02.sysops.aol.com> Sorry, thought I was sending my last note just to Holly. ? ?Sorry again. -----Original Message----- From: Holly Welch To: Des Moines Mac Users Group Sent: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:35 am Subject: [DM-MUG] Tonight's meeting: Photoshop Elements Hi All!? Tonight I will be teaching non destuctive editing, using layers. We will cover:? ? Basic adjustment layers? ? Hue/Saturation? ? Exposure? ? Vignettes? ? Dodge and Burn? ? Selective Color? ? Text? ? Flourishes for your photos? ? Borders? ? Yes, we will be moving quickly, but I will have a hand out.? ? Ray is bringing APPLE CRISP. Bring your own drink.? ? Remember, new location!!!! I hope no one goes to Haddock and wonders where we are!!!!? ? Bryan provided this link for directions to IMPROMTU STUDIO.? ? http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?client=safari&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF-8&num=10&hl=en&msa=0&msid=115352341167305190354.00045a430c131925df618&ll=41.581135,-93.62168&spn=0.004855,0.007381&t=h&z=17? ? Hope to see your there!!? ? Holly? ? ? _______________________________________________? DMMUG mailing list? Use this Address to send mail to the list:? DMMUG@dmmug.org? Use this page to modify subscription options:? http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/dmmug/attachments/20081105/d3167068/attachment.html From VLH at HerringLaw.com Sat Nov 8 10:59:26 2008 From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Sat Nov 8 11:02:11 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] possible to get intel mac laptop for under $500? In-Reply-To: <916E6EC3-FC8D-4416-98F0-BA031BEF23CF@gmail.com> References: <916E6EC3-FC8D-4416-98F0-BA031BEF23CF@gmail.com> Message-ID: For desktop, I'd suggest a Mini if you still have a monitor and keyboard that work fine. For laptop, the new ones are out and you might find some very good deals on the 'old' MBs. Go the Apple.com refurb store or see deals there or hopefully, someone on this list has something they want to or can part with for about that. -- Victoria L. Herring, Discrimination/Civil Rights Attorney, http://www.herringlaw.com; Travel Research/Photography site, http://www.JourneyZing.com; Online Gallery- http://gallery.journeyzing.com. Des Moines, Iowa; 515-255-4475 From VLH at HerringLaw.com Sat Nov 8 11:03:40 2008 From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Sat Nov 8 11:22:08 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Trying to reach Dave McLaughlin Message-ID: Thorgrim email address is not working....sorry to bother the list, but I have tried repeatedly -- Victoria L. Herring, Discrimination/Civil Rights Attorney, http://www.herringlaw.com; Travel Research/Photography site, http://www.JourneyZing.com; Online Gallery- http://gallery.journeyzing.com. Des Moines, Iowa; 515-255-4475 From bailey at me.com Sat Nov 8 16:38:19 2008 From: bailey at me.com (Bailey Ford) Date: Sat Nov 8 16:38:43 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] easy way to send big files via email Message-ID: <566C412A-7A08-46D7-90B4-F21E051E5A68@me.com> Hey all, I just ran across this and I thought it was such a drop-dead simple solution to a common problem so I'd pass it along. Want to send a big file to a friend? Check out http://usend.io -bailey From homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net Sat Nov 8 17:47:39 2008 From: homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net (Sharalyn) Date: Sat Nov 8 17:48:07 2008 Subject: FW: [DM-MUG] easy way to send big files via email In-Reply-To: <073e01c941fa$e0e58f20$a2b0ad60$@com> Message-ID: I sent this info to a friend and he sent this: http://www.yousendit.com/ is another one. - > > Hey all, > > I just ran across this and I thought it was such a drop-dead simple > solution to a common problem so I'd pass it along. Want to send a big > file to a friend? > > Check out http://usend.io > > -bailey > > > From thiessenstuart at aol.com Sat Nov 8 19:26:44 2008 From: thiessenstuart at aol.com (Stuart Thiessen) Date: Sat Nov 8 19:27:13 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] easy way to send big files via email In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4829FE96-7FD1-482C-A6EB-50870E4DD7CE@aol.com> In theory, you could set up a shared filespace on your computer or a spare computer that you could share through your own IP address. You could set up a dynamic IP name through dyndns.com or some other similar service. Then open your firewall to allow access into your network only to a specific port on a specific computer. You could always only open your firewall when you plan to make something available to someone, and then close the port on the firewall when you aren't actively sharing that file with someone. But, of course, that opens up your computer or the spare computer to being accessed by someone else who wants into your network. But if you follow good practices of securing your computer and your network, then the risks are manageable. I have used SFTP (Secure FTP) for this kind of thing before. I personally would not advise using these kinds of services for anything that you would consider confidential or privileged information. FYI, Stuart On Nov 8, 2008, at 17:47 , Sharalyn wrote: > I sent this info to a friend and he sent this: > > http://www.yousendit.com/ is another one. > > - >> >> Hey all, >> >> I just ran across this and I thought it was such a drop-dead simple >> solution to a common problem so I'd pass it along. Want to send a big >> file to a friend? >> >> Check out http://usend.io >> >> -bailey >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From bailey at me.com Sat Nov 8 22:35:01 2008 From: bailey at me.com (Bailey Ford) Date: Sat Nov 8 22:35:26 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] easy way to send big files via email In-Reply-To: <4829FE96-7FD1-482C-A6EB-50870E4DD7CE@aol.com> References: <4829FE96-7FD1-482C-A6EB-50870E4DD7CE@aol.com> Message-ID: <12357434-BFE1-4A8C-B5F4-949E9DBD55EA@me.com> DMMUGgers, Stuart is right. I would not use this type of service to send sensitive information without protecting it first. An encrypted disk image fixes that problem and is much simpler than setting up servers and dynamically mapping IP numbers for most of our members. You make an excellent point that these types of services are inherently insecure and further precautions should be made if you are sending sensitive info. One other drawback for this method is the inherent silliness of sending files over email, since the files are converted from binary to text, they swell in size. If you or your friend are on a slow connection, that extra file size can be a bummer. If you are both on broadband, it doesn't suck much. Another quick and easy solution to this problem is to just throw the file on your iDisk and give the web address to your buddy so they can get it themselves. This can provide a bit more protection if you password protect your iDisk and then share the password with your friend. Obviously, this requires that you pony up for Mobile Me (aka dot Mac). - Bailey On Nov 8, 2008, at 7:26 PM, Stuart Thiessen wrote: > In theory, you could set up a shared filespace on your computer or a > spare computer that you could share through your own IP address. You > could set up a dynamic IP name through dyndns.com or some other > similar service. Then open your firewall to allow access into your > network only to a specific port on a specific computer. You could > always only open your firewall when you plan to make something > available to someone, and then close the port on the firewall when > you aren't actively sharing that file with someone. > > But, of course, that opens up your computer or the spare computer to > being accessed by someone else who wants into your network. But if > you follow good practices of securing your computer and your > network, then the risks are manageable. > > I have used SFTP (Secure FTP) for this kind of thing before. > > I personally would not advise using these kinds of services for > anything that you would consider confidential or privileged > information. > > FYI, > > Stuart > > On Nov 8, 2008, at 17:47 , Sharalyn wrote: > >> I sent this info to a friend and he sent this: >> >> http://www.yousendit.com/ is another one. >> >> - >>> >>> Hey all, >>> >>> I just ran across this and I thought it was such a drop-dead simple >>> solution to a common problem so I'd pass it along. Want to send a >>> big >>> file to a friend? >>> >>> Check out http://usend.io >>> >>> -bailey >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> DMMUG mailing list >> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >> DMMUG@dmmug.org >> Use this page to modify subscription options: >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From rbowler at mchsi.com Sun Nov 9 05:34:19 2008 From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler) Date: Sun Nov 9 05:34:43 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] easy way to send big files via email In-Reply-To: <12357434-BFE1-4A8C-B5F4-949E9DBD55EA@me.com> References: <4829FE96-7FD1-482C-A6EB-50870E4DD7CE@aol.com> <12357434-BFE1-4A8C-B5F4-949E9DBD55EA@me.com> Message-ID: Bailey, Wouldn't it also work to put it in a directory of your own web page (if you have one) and let them download from there? You would still want to password protect it. On Nov 8, 2008, at Nov 8, 200810:35 PM, Bailey Ford wrote: > DMMUGgers, > > Stuart is right. I would not use this type of service to send > sensitive information without protecting it first. An encrypted disk > image fixes that problem and is much simpler than setting up servers > and dynamically mapping IP numbers for most of our members. You make > an excellent point that these types of services are inherently > insecure and further precautions should be made if you are sending > sensitive info. > > One other drawback for this method is the inherent silliness of > sending files over email, since the files are converted from binary > to text, they swell in size. If you or your friend are on a slow > connection, that extra file size can be a bummer. If you are both on > broadband, it doesn't suck much. > > Another quick and easy solution to this problem is to just throw the > file on your iDisk and give the web address to your buddy so they > can get it themselves. This can provide a bit more protection if you > password protect your iDisk and then share the password with your > friend. Obviously, this requires that you pony up for Mobile Me (aka > dot Mac). > > - Bailey > > > On Nov 8, 2008, at 7:26 PM, Stuart Thiessen wrote: > >> In theory, you could set up a shared filespace on your computer or >> a spare computer that you could share through your own IP address. >> You could set up a dynamic IP name through dyndns.com or some other >> similar service. Then open your firewall to allow access into your >> network only to a specific port on a specific computer. You could >> always only open your firewall when you plan to make something >> available to someone, and then close the port on the firewall when >> you aren't actively sharing that file with someone. >> >> But, of course, that opens up your computer or the spare computer >> to being accessed by someone else who wants into your network. But >> if you follow good practices of securing your computer and your >> network, then the risks are manageable. >> >> I have used SFTP (Secure FTP) for this kind of thing before. >> >> I personally would not advise using these kinds of services for >> anything that you would consider confidential or privileged >> information. >> >> FYI, >> >> Stuart >> >> On Nov 8, 2008, at 17:47 , Sharalyn wrote: >> >>> I sent this info to a friend and he sent this: >>> >>> http://www.yousendit.com/ is another one. >>> >>> - >>>> >>>> Hey all, >>>> >>>> I just ran across this and I thought it was such a drop-dead simple >>>> solution to a common problem so I'd pass it along. Want to send a >>>> big >>>> file to a friend? >>>> >>>> Check out http://usend.io >>>> >>>> -bailey >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> DMMUG mailing list >>> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >>> DMMUG@dmmug.org >>> Use this page to modify subscription options: >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> DMMUG mailing list >> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >> DMMUG@dmmug.org >> Use this page to modify subscription options: >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug Ray Bowler rbowler.home.mchsi.com From bailey at me.com Sun Nov 9 07:29:59 2008 From: bailey at me.com (Bailey Ford) Date: Sun Nov 9 07:30:25 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] easy way to send big files via email In-Reply-To: References: <4829FE96-7FD1-482C-A6EB-50870E4DD7CE@aol.com> <12357434-BFE1-4A8C-B5F4-949E9DBD55EA@me.com> Message-ID: <7834DABF-512A-4E9E-A34F-F11E682B8A51@me.com> DMMUG - yup. You could do it that way if your friend is savvy enough to use ftp, or if you wanted to make a quick page with a link to the file. My attraction to these techniques is that they are simple. It just doesn't get much easier than, 1) pick file(s) 2) pick people(s) 3) click go. - ?ailey On Nov 9, 2008, at 5:34 AM, Ray Bowler wrote: > Bailey, > > Wouldn't it also work to put it in a directory of your own web page > (if you have one) and let them download from there? You would still > want to password protect it. > > From mghood1 at mchsi.com Sun Nov 9 11:31:10 2008 From: mghood1 at mchsi.com (Martin Hood) Date: Sun Nov 9 11:31:37 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Entering passwords Message-ID: I would like to know why when I copy some files to another drive or folder I have to enter my admin password and sometimes I don?t. Some of the files may have come from my Powerbook which has the same admin mane as my desktop. If there is a solution to this I sure would like to know what it is? Many Thanks Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/dmmug/attachments/20081109/312b904b/attachment.html From studias at msn.com Sun Nov 9 14:47:20 2008 From: studias at msn.com (Geoffrey Stevens) Date: Sun Nov 9 14:47:44 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] easy way to send big files via email/a simple question... In-Reply-To: <7834DABF-512A-4E9E-A34F-F11E682B8A51@me.com> References: <4829FE96-7FD1-482C-A6EB-50870E4DD7CE@aol.com> <12357434-BFE1-4A8C-B5F4-949E9DBD55EA@me.com> <7834DABF-512A-4E9E-A34F-F11E682B8A51@me.com> Message-ID: Hey Bailey, That is all very interesting, big files need big ideas. Maybe someone can help with a basic problem that I have had trouble getting my mind around. How do I make a link to a file when I am writing an email message? In other words - I want to put in the body of the text I am righting a link to an address or file on the web so my reader of my message can click on it, instead of copying the web address and pasting it in the address box at the top of their browser? Thank you, Geoff > From: bailey@me.com > To: dmmug@dmmug.org > Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] easy way to send big files via email > Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 07:29:59 -0600 > > DMMUG - > > yup. You could do it that way if your friend is savvy enough to use > ftp, or if you wanted to make a quick page with a link to the file. My > attraction to these techniques is that they are simple. It just > doesn't get much easier than, 1) pick file(s) 2) pick people(s) 3) > click go. > > - ?ailey > > On Nov 9, 2008, at 5:34 AM, Ray Bowler wrote: > > > Bailey, > > > > Wouldn't it also work to put it in a directory of your own web page > > (if you have one) and let them download from there? You would still > > want to password protect it. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/dmmug/attachments/20081109/df3c7439/attachment.html From mghood1 at mchsi.com Sun Nov 9 14:53:13 2008 From: mghood1 at mchsi.com (Martin Hood) Date: Sun Nov 9 14:53:36 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Having To Enter Password Message-ID: I would like to know why when I copy some files to another drive or folder I have to enter my admin password and sometimes I don?t. Some of the files may have come from my Powerbook which has the same admin mane as my desktop. If there is a solution to this I sure would like to know what it is? Many Thanks Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/dmmug/attachments/20081109/42166ba8/attachment.htm From ka_klick at mac.com Sun Nov 9 22:14:56 2008 From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker) Date: Sun Nov 9 22:15:23 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Having To Enter Password In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9836D8B0-DF5C-405B-A2CA-26B0D0914376@mac.com> Depends, but sounds like it might be a permissions thing - if you don't have permissions on the destination folder, you'd need to "admin up". On Nov 9, 2008, at 2:53 PM, Martin Hood wrote: > I would like to know why when I copy some files to another drive or > folder I have to enter my admin password and sometimes I don?t. Some > of the files may have come from my Powerbook which has the same > admin mane as my desktop. If there is a solution to this I sure > would like to know what it is? > > Many Thanks > Martin > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug -- Bryan "ka-klick" Baker Singer/Songwriter With 2 New CDs!!! See my website for details ka-klick@ka-klick.com http://ka-klick.com From studias at msn.com Mon Nov 10 09:16:05 2008 From: studias at msn.com (Geoffrey Stevens) Date: Mon Nov 10 09:16:29 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] help with a basic problem... Message-ID: Maybe someone can help with a basic problem that I have had trouble getting my mind around. How do I make a link to a file when I am writing an email message? In other words - I want to put in the body of the text I am righting a link to an address or file on the web so my reader of my message can click on it, instead of copying the web address and pasting it in the address box at the top of their browser? Thank you, Geoff Stevens -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/dmmug/attachments/20081110/75d49ba0/attachment.html From jrearick at bobbis.net Mon Nov 10 09:28:28 2008 From: jrearick at bobbis.net (John Rearick) Date: Mon Nov 10 09:28:56 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] help with a basic problem... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6E7FA4DE-19B4-4EB6-997E-A91342424B0E@bobbis.net> Most email programs will automatically make URLs clickable. For example I just typed http://www.dmmug.org/ into this message in Mail.app and it should be clickable by most people who receive this message, however it doesn't appear as clickable while composing the message. If you want to explicitly create a link, highlight what you want to link, control-click (or right click) on the selection and choose "Link -> Add...". This will create a link like so. I hope this helps. Thanks, -- John Rearick www.bobbis.net jrearick@bobbis.net On Nov 10, 2008, at 9:16 AM, Geoffrey Stevens wrote: > Maybe someone can help with a basic problem that I have had trouble > getting my mind around. > How do I make a link to a file when I am writing an email message? > In other words - I want to put in the body of the text I am righting > a link to an address or file on the web so my reader of my message > can click on it, instead of copying the web address and pasting it > in the address box at the top of their browser? > Thank you, > Geoff Stevens > > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/dmmug/attachments/20081110/eababfe5/attachment.htm From studias at msn.com Mon Nov 10 09:51:14 2008 From: studias at msn.com (Geoffrey Stevens) Date: Mon Nov 10 09:51:38 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] possible to get intel mac laptop for under $500? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes, I would agree with Victoria. If you don't need alot of power go with a Mac Mini. By the way, I looked at your site: bearfruit. Very interesting and positive. If you need any help with graphics, feel free to contact me. Geoff Stevens Deus Regit > Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:04:56 -0600 > From: newz@bearfruit.org > To: dmmug@dmmug.org > Subject: [DM-MUG] possible to get intel mac laptop for under $500? > > Hi, my wife's computer died (an old acer) the other day. I have some > money set aside for a new computer, probably not enough but I think I > can scrape up about $500. In the PC world there are tons of options > for this price, especially if I don't mind getting one that's been > gently used. I'm a software developer (mostly websites) and have been > wanting a mac in the house so that I could do more complete > compatibility testing. Maybe this is my opportunity. > > Does anyone either have an Intel based Mac laptop for sale for under > $500 or know of a trustworthy online source for such a thing? The > intel macs came out almost 3 years ago so there should be something > around, right? I need an Intel based machine because my wife is still > addicted to a few Windows applications (the biggie is MS Publisher) > and I need to be able to wean her to a new OS gently (I've been > working on getting her to open source software for a year now so she's > almost there :-) ) > > -- > Matthew Nuzum > newz2000 on freenode > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/dmmug/attachments/20081110/ba7e8954/attachment.html From VLH at HerringLaw.com Mon Nov 10 16:48:55 2008 From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Mon Nov 10 16:49:25 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Q ref. little part that fell off a harddrive Message-ID: I was doing some cataloging of harddrives in WiebeTech enclosures and taking one of them out, to put a new drive in the enclosure and a little part which connects the wires from the circular part of the drive to the logicboard {[?] fell off...I assume it could be fixed with some soldering back of the part. I also assume it's needed. Can anyone here tell me if I do need it fixed and if so, who could do it? I have pictures if someone needs for diagnosis. -- Victoria L. Herring, Discrimination/Civil Rights Attorney, http://www.herringlaw.com; Travel Research/Photography site, http://www.JourneyZing.com; Online Gallery- http://gallery.journeyzing.com. Des Moines, Iowa; 515-255-4475 From VLH at HerringLaw.com Tue Nov 11 14:14:27 2008 From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Tue Nov 11 14:19:50 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] easy way to send big files via email/a simple question... In-Reply-To: References: <4829FE96-7FD1-482C-A6EB-50870E4DD7CE@aol.com> <12357434-BFE1-4A8C-B5F4-949E9DBD55EA@me.com> <7834DABF-512A-4E9E-A34F-F11E682B8A51@me.com> Message-ID: I use the free Pando service [up to 1G I think] to send via email= works great. -- Victoria L. Herring, Discrimination/Civil Rights Attorney, http://www.herringlaw.com; Travel Research/Photography site, http://www.JourneyZing.com; Online Gallery- http://gallery.journeyzing.com. Des Moines, Iowa; 515-255-4475 From alan.maupin at gmail.com Tue Nov 11 18:24:42 2008 From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin) Date: Tue Nov 11 18:26:01 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] MacBook Memory Module 2GB 667MHz DDR2 (PC2-5300) 2x1GB SO-DIMMs Message-ID: I just upgraded a new MacBook and I now have two 1Gb modules available. The apple store offers these for $150.00 at this link: http://store.apple.com/us/memorymodel/ME_13_2_2_MB_G4 I'm asking $50 for the set. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/dmmug/attachments/20081111/87feb060/attachment.html From VLH at HerringLaw.com Wed Nov 12 17:19:09 2008 From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Wed Nov 12 17:25:55 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Help needed figuring out what to do ref Deskstar Message-ID: I had a Hitachi Deskstar 750G drive in my WiebeTech SilverSATA drive bay. I pulled it out and when it came out, a little part fell off == I wrote Hitachi about it and they say the fact it fell off [I think it was caught on some part ofthe drive bay and broke off when I pulled it out]: >The little white rectangular thing is the flex connector that holds the >flex attached to the motor. ...snip... >drive. I have included their telephone numbers and a link to their >websites below: [I'll skpp that for purposes of this Q] Any suggestions on what to do other than send it out to someone for what may be an expensive repair [unfortunately, there is data on the drive but I don't know what, although I probably want to save it. If there is a way to get the data off, I'd probably choose that] I would think it's an issue of soldering the flex connector back on, but am not sure. -- Victoria L. Herring, Discrimination/Civil Rights Attorney, http://www.herringlaw.com; Travel Research/Photography site, http://www.JourneyZing.com; Online Gallery- http://gallery.journeyzing.com. Des Moines, Iowa; 515-255-4475 From homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net Thu Nov 13 11:46:46 2008 From: homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net (Sharalyn) Date: Thu Nov 13 11:47:14 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] display size quest In-Reply-To: <6E7FA4DE-19B4-4EB6-997E-A91342424B0E@bobbis.net> Message-ID: I think I saw this posted recently but can?t find it so I have to ask anew: What is the correct screen size if one is using an external monitor (in this case a 32? Samsung LCT TV)? I?ve heard that if you don?t use the right size it can hurt either the tv or the computer. The options closest to the numbers I remembered were 1024 x 768 but that looks a little stretched and weird. It looks best at 1280 x 720. Anyone know the answer? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I already did check that at the beginning. :) Stuart From newz at bearfruit.org Thu Nov 13 12:03:01 2008 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Thu Nov 13 12:03:24 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] display size quest In-Reply-To: References: <6E7FA4DE-19B4-4EB6-997E-A91342424B0E@bobbis.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Sharalyn wrote: > > > I think I saw this posted recently but can't find it so I have to ask anew: > > What is the correct screen size if one is using an external monitor (in this > case a 32" Samsung LCT TV)? > I've heard that if you don't use the right size it can hurt either the tv or > the computer. No, neither will be hurt on modern (under 10 years old) systems. > The options closest to the numbers I remembered were 1024 x 768 but that > looks a little stretched and weird. It looks best at 1280 x 720. > 720p is 1280x720. 1080p is 1920x1080. The best resolution is often the "native resolution" supported by the screen. Sometimes this is a different value. For example, see this TV whose native resolution is 1366x768: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4173086&csid=ITD&body=MAIN#detailspecs This seems to be a common resolution for budget HD TVs advertised as 720p. Also, LCD pixels take a (very brief) moment to reach full brightness. For this reason you will often get better image quality at lower refresh rates of 50-60 Hz. This is in contrast to old tube screens that had a noticeable flicker as the refresh rate was set lower. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode From homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net Thu Nov 13 12:29:58 2008 From: homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net (Sharalyn) Date: Thu Nov 13 12:30:25 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] display size quest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for the info. I checked on-line for my model TV, a Samsung, and it says that the native resolution is 1680 x 1050, but I don't have that option on my computer display choices. I tried 1600x 900, the highest choice, but that is distorted. 1360 x 768 is clear but small. 1280 x 720 causes text to be clear and readable but with some color distortion. So if I can't get the exact resolution, then is it just a matter of preference? On 11/13/08 12:03 PM, "Matthew Nuzum" wrote: > On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Sharalyn > wrote: >> >> >> I think I saw this posted recently but can't find it so I have to ask anew: >> >> What is the correct screen size if one is using an external monitor (in this >> case a 32" Samsung LCT TV)? >> I've heard that if you don't use the right size it can hurt either the tv or >> the computer. > > No, neither will be hurt on modern (under 10 years old) systems. > >> The options closest to the numbers I remembered were 1024 x 768 but that >> looks a little stretched and weird. It looks best at 1280 x 720. >> > > 720p is 1280x720. 1080p is 1920x1080. > > The best resolution is often the "native resolution" supported by the > screen. Sometimes this is a different value. For example, see this TV > whose native resolution is 1366x768: > http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=417 > 3086&csid=ITD&body=MAIN#detailspecs > This seems to be a common resolution for budget HD TVs advertised as > 720p. > > Also, LCD pixels take a (very brief) moment to reach full brightness. > For this reason you will often get better image quality at lower > refresh rates of 50-60 Hz. This is in contrast to old tube screens > that had a noticeable flicker as the refresh rate was set lower. From jerry.heiselman at gmail.com Thu Nov 13 12:34:59 2008 From: jerry.heiselman at gmail.com (Jerry Heiselman) Date: Thu Nov 13 12:35:23 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] display size quest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1b50b4ed0811131034q4134b93ld2b73139e98f9f8a@mail.gmail.com> How are you attaching the display to the mini? Many of the mini's have problems with the DVI out on certain displays. The D-Sub appears to work fine with all displays. On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Sharalyn wrote: > Thanks for the info. > > I checked on-line for my model TV, a Samsung, and it says that the native > resolution is 1680 x 1050, but I don't have that option on my computer > display choices. > > I tried 1600x 900, the highest choice, but that is distorted. > 1360 x 768 is clear but small. > 1280 x 720 causes text to be clear and readable but with some color > distortion. > > So if I can't get the exact resolution, then is it just a matter of > preference? > > > > > On 11/13/08 12:03 PM, "Matthew Nuzum" wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Sharalyn > > wrote: > >> > >> > >> I think I saw this posted recently but can't find it so I have to ask > anew: > >> > >> What is the correct screen size if one is using an external monitor (in > this > >> case a 32" Samsung LCT TV)? > >> I've heard that if you don't use the right size it can hurt either the > tv or > >> the computer. > > > > No, neither will be hurt on modern (under 10 years old) systems. > > > >> The options closest to the numbers I remembered were 1024 x 768 but that > >> looks a little stretched and weird. It looks best at 1280 x 720. > >> > > > > 720p is 1280x720. 1080p is 1920x1080. > > > > The best resolution is often the "native resolution" supported by the > > screen. Sometimes this is a different value. For example, see this TV > > whose native resolution is 1366x768: > > > http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=417 > > 3086&csid=ITD&body=MAIN#detailspecs > > This seems to be a common resolution for budget HD TVs advertised as > > 720p. > > > > Also, LCD pixels take a (very brief) moment to reach full brightness. > > For this reason you will often get better image quality at lower > > refresh rates of 50-60 Hz. This is in contrast to old tube screens > > that had a noticeable flicker as the refresh rate was set lower. > > > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > -- Jerry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/dmmug/attachments/20081113/9c3b023d/attachment.html From homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net Thu Nov 13 12:34:57 2008 From: homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net (Sharalyn) Date: Thu Nov 13 12:35:24 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] display size quest--follow up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: When I click on system preferences and then go to displays, I noticed I get different sizes at different times. I just cliked it again and got an option for 1920 x 1080...which creates distortions. Weird. From VLH at HerringLaw.com Thu Nov 13 12:25:19 2008 From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Thu Nov 13 12:38:11 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] inCase Leather Folio for iPHone Message-ID: I bought one and it is unused and in original box [bought at the Apple Store when I had original iPhone] - I still use it for my 3G -- it was $40 -- if someone wants it for less, contact me off list == I have no need for it now. It's a horizontal belt clip folio = I like it better than having a vertical one and I like the permanency of the clip. -- Victoria L. Herring, Discrimination/Civil Rights Attorney, http://www.herringlaw.com; Travel Research/Photography site, http://www.JourneyZing.com; Online Gallery- http://gallery.journeyzing.com. Des Moines, Iowa; 515-255-4475 From homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net Thu Nov 13 12:37:57 2008 From: homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net (Sharalyn) Date: Thu Nov 13 12:38:26 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] display size quest In-Reply-To: <1b50b4ed0811131034q4134b93ld2b73139e98f9f8a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: What I have is a MacBookPro, about 2 years old. On 11/13/08 12:34 PM, "Jerry Heiselman" wrote: > How are you attaching the display to the mini? Many of the mini's have > problems with the DVI out on certain displays. The D-Sub appears to work fine > with all displays. > > On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Sharalyn > wrote: >> Thanks for the info. >> >> I checked on-line for my model TV, a Samsung, and it says that the native >> resolution is 1680 x 1050, but I don't have that option on my computer >> display choices. >> >> I tried 1600x 900, the highest choice, but that is distorted. >> 1360 x 768 is clear but small. >> 1280 x 720 causes text to be clear and readable but with some color >> distortion. >> >> So if I can't get the exact resolution, then is it just a matter of >> preference? >> >> >> >> >> On 11/13/08 12:03 PM, "Matthew Nuzum" wrote: >> >>> > On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Sharalyn >>> > wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> I think I saw this posted recently but can't find it so I have to ask >>>> anew: >>>> >> >>>> >> What is the correct screen size if one is using an external monitor (in >>>> this >>>> >> case a 32" Samsung LCT TV)? >>>> >> I've heard that if you don't use the right size it can hurt either the >>>> tv or >>>> >> the computer. >>> > >>> > No, neither will be hurt on modern (under 10 years old) systems. >>> > >>>> >> The options closest to the numbers I remembered were 1024 x 768 but that >>>> >> looks a little stretched and weird. It looks best at 1280 x 720. >>>> >> >>> > >>> > 720p is 1280x720. 1080p is 1920x1080. >>> > >>> > The best resolution is often the "native resolution" supported by the >>> > screen. Sometimes this is a different value. For example, see this TV >>> > whose native resolution is 1366x768: >>> > >>> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4>>> 17 >>> > 3086&csid=ITD&body=MAIN#detailspecs >>> > This seems to be a common resolution for budget HD TVs advertised as >>> > 720p. >>> > >>> > Also, LCD pixels take a (very brief) moment to reach full brightness. >>> > For this reason you will often get better image quality at lower >>> > refresh rates of 50-60 Hz. This is in contrast to old tube screens >>> > that had a noticeable flicker as the refresh rate was set lower. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> DMMUG mailing list >> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >> DMMUG@dmmug.org >> Use this page to modify subscription options: >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/dmmug/attachments/20081113/dec65f3e/attachment.htm From homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net Thu Nov 13 12:41:19 2008 From: homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net (Sharalyn) Date: Thu Nov 13 12:41:28 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] display size quest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You may be asking me something I don?t understand. By ?mini? I thought you meat a min-mac, but you may have been referring to the cable. I?m using an hdmi cable attached directly to the computer. On 11/13/08 12:37 PM, "Sharalyn" wrote: > What I have is a MacBookPro, about 2 years old. > > On 11/13/08 12:34 PM, "Jerry Heiselman" wrote: > >> How are you attaching the display to the mini? Many of the mini's have >> problems with the DVI out on certain displays. The D-Sub appears to work >> fine with all displays. >> >> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Sharalyn >> wrote: >>> Thanks for the info. >>> >>> I checked on-line for my model TV, a Samsung, and it says that the native >>> resolution is 1680 x 1050, but I don't have that option on my computer >>> display choices. >>> >>> I tried 1600x 900, the highest choice, but that is distorted. >>> 1360 x 768 is clear but small. >>> 1280 x 720 causes text to be clear and readable but with some color >>> distortion. >>> >>> So if I can't get the exact resolution, then is it just a matter of >>> preference? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 11/13/08 12:03 PM, "Matthew Nuzum" wrote: >>> >>>> > On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Sharalyn >>>> > wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> I think I saw this posted recently but can't find it so I have to ask >>>>> anew: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> What is the correct screen size if one is using an external monitor (in >>>>> this >>>>> >> case a 32" Samsung LCT TV)? >>>>> >> I've heard that if you don't use the right size it can hurt either the >>>>> tv or >>>>> >> the computer. >>>> > >>>> > No, neither will be hurt on modern (under 10 years old) systems. >>>> > >>>>> >> The options closest to the numbers I remembered were 1024 x 768 but >>>>> that >>>>> >> looks a little stretched and weird. It looks best at 1280 x 720. >>>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > 720p is 1280x720. 1080p is 1920x1080. >>>> > >>>> > The best resolution is often the "native resolution" supported by the >>>> > screen. Sometimes this is a different value. For example, see this TV >>>> > whose native resolution is 1366x768: >>>> > >>>> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=>>>> 417 >>>> > 3086&csid=ITD&body=MAIN#detailspecs >>>> > This seems to be a common resolution for budget HD TVs advertised as >>>> > 720p. >>>> > >>>> > Also, LCD pixels take a (very brief) moment to reach full brightness. >>>> > For this reason you will often get better image quality at lower >>>> > refresh rates of 50-60 Hz. 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URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/dmmug/attachments/20081113/20f5bea2/attachment.htm From newz at bearfruit.org Thu Nov 13 12:47:12 2008 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Thu Nov 13 12:47:34 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] display size quest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Sharalyn wrote: > I checked on-line for my model TV, a Samsung, and it says that the native > resolution is 1680 x 1050, but I don't have that option on my computer > display choices. > > I tried 1600x 900, the highest choice, but that is distorted. > 1360 x 768 is clear but small. > 1280 x 720 causes text to be clear and readable but with some color > distortion. > > So if I can't get the exact resolution, then is it just a matter of > preference? > Yes, the higher numbers you use the smaller the stuff on the screen will be. You can avoid stretching the image by using the same aspect ratio - i.e. choose a wide-screen resolution for a wide-screen monitor. I expect 1280x720 will be a good match since it's the standard 720p resolution that your monitor will be optimized to deal with it. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode From homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net Thu Nov 13 13:14:37 2008 From: homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net (Sharalyn) Date: Thu Nov 13 13:15:04 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] display size quest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks, that is apparently the answer I needed, as it is what works visually. :-) On 11/13/08 12:47 PM, "Matthew Nuzum" wrote: > On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Sharalyn > wrote: >> I checked on-line for my model TV, a Samsung, and it says that the native >> resolution is 1680 x 1050, but I don't have that option on my computer >> display choices. >> >> I tried 1600x 900, the highest choice, but that is distorted. >> 1360 x 768 is clear but small. >> 1280 x 720 causes text to be clear and readable but with some color >> distortion. >> >> So if I can't get the exact resolution, then is it just a matter of >> preference? >> > > Yes, the higher numbers you use the smaller the stuff on the screen > will be. You can avoid stretching the image by using the same aspect > ratio - i.e. choose a wide-screen resolution for a wide-screen > monitor. I expect 1280x720 will be a good match since it's the > standard 720p resolution that your monitor will be optimized to deal > with it. From jerry.heiselman at gmail.com Thu Nov 13 14:51:21 2008 From: jerry.heiselman at gmail.com (Jerry Heiselman) Date: Thu Nov 13 14:51:45 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] display size quest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1b50b4ed0811131251o62eb372j5cc761fe533a1d92@mail.gmail.com> Sorry, mixing up my discussions. On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Sharalyn wrote: > Thanks, that is apparently the answer I needed, as it is what works > visually. :-) > > > On 11/13/08 12:47 PM, "Matthew Nuzum" wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Sharalyn > > wrote: > >> I checked on-line for my model TV, a Samsung, and it says that the > native > >> resolution is 1680 x 1050, but I don't have that option on my computer > >> display choices. > >> > >> I tried 1600x 900, the highest choice, but that is distorted. > >> 1360 x 768 is clear but small. > >> 1280 x 720 causes text to be clear and readable but with some color > >> distortion. > >> > >> So if I can't get the exact resolution, then is it just a matter of > >> preference? > >> > > > > Yes, the higher numbers you use the smaller the stuff on the screen > > will be. You can avoid stretching the image by using the same aspect > > ratio - i.e. choose a wide-screen resolution for a wide-screen > > monitor. I expect 1280x720 will be a good match since it's the > > standard 720p resolution that your monitor will be optimized to deal > > with it. > > > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > -- Jerry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/dmmug/attachments/20081113/997511d9/attachment.html From thiessenstuart at aol.com Thu Nov 13 22:18:50 2008 From: thiessenstuart at aol.com (Stuart Thiessen) Date: Thu Nov 13 22:19:21 2008 Subject: Fwd: [DM-MUG] Question about Mac Mini References: <4DE894AF-EE46-45A4-AE1A-EE7F5CC82A3E@aol.com> Message-ID: Just wondered if anyone had any thoughts on this? Begin forwarded message: > From: Stuart Thiessen > Date: November 13, 2008 11:56:15 CST > To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group " > Subject: [DM-MUG] Question about Mac Mini > Reply-To: Des Moines Mac Users Group > > I have a Mini that I use for our home computer. Since I have a Mac > laptop from work, I tend to use that more and my wife and kids use > the Mini. Anyway, they are now complaining that it falls asleep > during video clips or web-based games. I did some browsing on the > web for this and they said to vacuum the computer. So, I did vacuum > it out, but it didn't seem to help. Some websites also said to > elevate the mini so that it has better airflow, so I have a stand > that I use to make sure there is clear airflow to the Mini. Still no > difference. Any thoughts? > > It is not the energy saver or the screen saver. I already did check > that at the beginning. :) > > Stuart > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From jon at mac-consultant.com Fri Nov 14 02:29:21 2008 From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson) Date: Fri Nov 14 02:29:49 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Question about Mac Mini In-Reply-To: References: <4DE894AF-EE46-45A4-AE1A-EE7F5CC82A3E@aol.com> Message-ID: <68265052-35A5-4BA6-B053-DB55E0128730@mac-consultant.com> It is possible that it is overheating and going to sleep to protect itself, as decoding video is a hard task for those little guys. However, I _encode_ video on the little guys in real time, and have never had an overheat issue with that, so I would say that either you have not given it adequate ventilation, or you have it placed in a location where the air is naturally warm. A few notes on cooling minis. - the intakes are on the bottom, and the exhaust are on the back. Make sure there is plenty of airspace for the air to be gathered in. Make sure there is even more airspace in the back for the exhaust air to circulate with the rest of the room. - If you have it in a cabinet, you need to be cutting holes for airflow. If it is right up to the edge of the back, three holes the size of the mini itself should be sufficient. - make sure you are not setting things on the tops of the minis if they are on their feet. This adds downward pressure to a tight space. The expansion of materials as they heat may make them come in contact in ways that were not intended. - All of mine are on their left (from the front, starboard) side. My archival pool has about an inch between them (7 minis), my new video recorders are mounted to the walls with H-squared's mounting kit in a vertical configuration. The mounting kit adds space between the "foot" of the mini and the wall, so I have them packed tightly in a vertical space. Furthermore, they are in a room that is constantly 65 degrees, so overheating due to a warm room is not an issue. - Depending on the model, this may be what you have to live with without even more drastic cooling strategies. Modern web games and video are some of the most processor intensive things that I've seen people try and put their computers through in recent years. A good rule of thumb is that the intels can handle it, the G4s struggle, and the G5s barely get by. On Nov 13, 2008, at 10:18 PM, Stuart Thiessen wrote: > Just wondered if anyone had any thoughts on this? > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Stuart Thiessen >> Date: November 13, 2008 11:56:15 CST >> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group " >> Subject: [DM-MUG] Question about Mac Mini >> Reply-To: Des Moines Mac Users Group >> >> I have a Mini that I use for our home computer. Since I have a Mac >> laptop from work, I tend to use that more and my wife and kids use >> the Mini. Anyway, they are now complaining that it falls asleep >> during video clips or web-based games. I did some browsing on the >> web for this and they said to vacuum the computer. So, I did vacuum >> it out, but it didn't seem to help. Some websites also said to >> elevate the mini so that it has better airflow, so I have a stand >> that I use to make sure there is clear airflow to the Mini. Still >> no difference. Any thoughts? >> >> It is not the energy saver or the screen saver. I already did check >> that at the beginning. :) >> >> Stuart >> _______________________________________________ >> DMMUG mailing list >> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >> DMMUG@dmmug.org >> Use this page to modify subscription options: >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From maccelerate at earthlink.net Fri Nov 14 08:35:05 2008 From: maccelerate at earthlink.net (Matt W) Date: Fri Nov 14 08:35:34 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Question about Mac Mini Message-ID: <7016137.1226673305231.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I'll wager that it's a power management issue or keyboard/input issue. If it's overheating, it will shut down without warning and there will be a shutdown cause in the System Log. If it's sleeping, with a pulsing front light, it's not heat-related. Try this: Matthew W. >>> From: Stuart Thiessen >>> Date: November 13, 2008 11:56:15 CST >>> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group " >>> Subject: [DM-MUG] Question about Mac Mini >>> Reply-To: Des Moines Mac Users Group From pixman at wccta.net Fri Nov 14 13:58:53 2008 From: pixman at wccta.net (Robert Gaines) Date: Fri Nov 14 13:59:17 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Re: display size quest (Robert Gaines) In-Reply-To: <20081113180003.553CED5C4@www.cialug.org> References: <20081113180003.553CED5C4@www.cialug.org> Message-ID: <5E0399F6-44C1-4C9E-84CD-137178BAB7FD@wccta.net> Thanks for the info. I checked on-line for my model TV, a Samsung, and it says that the native resolution is 1680 x 1050, but I don't have that option on my computer display choices. I tried 1600x 900, the highest choice, but that is distorted. 1360 x 768 is clear but small. 1280 x 720 causes text to be clear and readable but with some color distortion. So if I can't get the exact resolution, then is it just a matter of preference? Look into the free utility SwitchResX located below. It will allow you to set the resolution to the native res of your monitor. SwitchResX: complete control over your monitor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/dmmug/attachments/20081114/9d54a849/attachment.html From maccelerate at earthlink.net Fri Nov 14 16:04:22 2008 From: maccelerate at earthlink.net (Matt W) Date: Fri Nov 14 16:04:45 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Re: display size quest (Robert Gaines) Message-ID: <23240682.1226700262759.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> How are you connected? Direct DVI? VGA? DVI to Component break out? I'm surprised that a modern flat panel doesn't talk to the Mac. Even my Sony CRT tells my Mac Mini what its resolutions are. Mw -----Original Message----- >From: Robert Gaines >Sent: Nov 14, 2008 2:58 PM >To: dmmug@dmmug.org >Subject: [DM-MUG] Re: display size quest (Robert Gaines) > >Thanks for the info. > >I checked on-line for my model TV, a Samsung, and it says that the >native >resolution is 1680 x 1050, but I don't have that option on my computer >display choices. > >I tried 1600x 900, the highest choice, but that is distorted. >1360 x 768 is clear but small. >1280 x 720 causes text to be clear and readable but with some color >distortion. > >So if I can't get the exact resolution, then is it just a matter of >preference? > >Look into the free utility SwitchResX located below. It will allow you >to set the resolution to the native res of your monitor. > >SwitchResX: complete control over your monitor From VLH at HerringLaw.com Mon Nov 17 17:25:27 2008 From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Mon Nov 17 17:29:24 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Needed, a steady hand - harddrive repairer for hire? Message-ID: I have posted before and am getting to the point of figuring out what needs to be done == this is about that drive where the piece fell off and now I can't access the data, even just to move it off. I have pictures of the issue but I asked a friend who works on computers etc. [but lies in Puerto Rico] and he said == It's a ribbon cable connector. I don't see any problem with adhering the ribbon to the connector, or jumping directly to the logic board. You need someone with a steady hand and loads of dexterity (and patience). I did something much like this while fixing an iBook. I yanked out the connector that holds the touchpad, and had to reattach it, much like yours. There must be someone out there in the data recovery business that won't charge an arm and a leg for doing this and extracting your data. Is there anyone here locally who can fix this??? -- Victoria L. Herring, Discrimination/Civil Rights Attorney, http://www.herringlaw.com; Travel Research/Photography site, http://www.JourneyZing.com; Online Gallery- http://gallery.journeyzing.com. Des Moines, Iowa; 515-255-4475 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/dmmug/attachments/20081117/15ac7196/attachment.htm From rbowler at mchsi.com Sun Nov 23 20:01:43 2008 From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler) Date: Sun Nov 23 20:02:14 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Tues Meeing---General discussion--bring your treats and share Message-ID: <8BAE2D2F-CB68-4997-8AFC-97154F14146A@mchsi.com> A reminder that the monthly meeting will be this Tues. at 7:00 PM at Impromptu Studio. See the web site for directions. Bring a snack or goodie to share and your own drink. We are open to any topic or problem for discussion. One topic is that of future meetings. A few proposals are: a swap meet night, a session on iChat, another session of PhotoShop Elements, further exploration of building our own web pages. Bring some more topics and if you are willing to lead he discussion let us know. See you then Ray Bowler rbowler.home.mchsi.com From VLH at HerringLaw.com Tue Nov 25 09:48:55 2008 From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Tue Nov 25 09:49:44 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Apple Display Monitor 'fog' Message-ID: This has happened 3-5 times over the past 1-2 years and in the past month, twice. So I want to get a sense of what is going on if anyone knows -- what happens iis I come down and wake the computer from sleep and the desktop etc. show as normal only instead there is a white foggy film covering the screen...if I leave it on and just work as if the fog is gone, it eventually goes. Any thoughts on the cause? -- Victoria L. Herring, Discrimination/Civil Rights Attorney, http://www.herringlaw.com; Travel Research/Photography site, http://www.JourneyZing.com; Online Gallery- http://gallery.journeyzing.com. Des Moines, Iowa; 515-255-4475 From aaron.jensen at mac.com Tue Nov 25 12:01:49 2008 From: aaron.jensen at mac.com (Aaron Jensen) Date: Tue Nov 25 12:02:14 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Apple Display Monitor 'fog' In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <21294404141804613291971310126062906508-Webmail@me.com> Is this a desktop or a laptop? The reason I ask is that when a laptop's battery is drained while it is asleep, it will appear that way while it brings up your previous session. Aaron On Tuesday, November 25, 2008, at 07:48AM, "Victoria L. Herring" wrote: >This has happened 3-5 times over the past 1-2 years and in the past >month, twice. So I want to get a sense of what is going on if anyone >knows -- what happens iis I come down and wake the computer from >sleep and the desktop etc. show as normal only instead there is a >white foggy film covering the screen...if I leave it on and just work >as if the fog is gone, it eventually goes. Any thoughts on the cause? >-- >Victoria L. Herring, Discrimination/Civil Rights Attorney, >http://www.herringlaw.com; Travel Research/Photography site, >http://www.JourneyZing.com; Online Gallery- >http://gallery.journeyzing.com. Des Moines, Iowa; 515-255-4475 >_______________________________________________ >DMMUG mailing list >Use this Address to send mail to the list: >DMMUG@dmmug.org >Use this page to modify subscription options: >http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > From VLH at HerringLaw.com Tue Nov 25 12:20:05 2008 From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Tue Nov 25 12:22:08 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Apple Display Monitor 'fog' In-Reply-To: <21294404141804613291971310126062906508-Webmail@me.com> References: <21294404141804613291971310126062906508-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: it's an Apple Display Monitor, 30", attached to my MacPro, plenty of power. -- Victoria L. Herring, Discrimination/Civil Rights Attorney, http://www.herringlaw.com; Travel Research/Photography site, http://www.JourneyZing.com; Online Gallery- http://gallery.journeyzing.com. Des Moines, Iowa; 515-255-4475 From thorgrim at imaginarytower.org Tue Nov 25 12:36:30 2008 From: thorgrim at imaginarytower.org (David McLaughlin) Date: Tue Nov 25 12:36:59 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Apple Display Monitor 'fog' In-Reply-To: References: <21294404141804613291971310126062906508-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: <51B40697-BD7B-419C-BD60-7116A5B87ACE@imaginarytower.org> > it's an Apple Display Monitor, 30", attached to my MacPro, plenty of > power. Sometimes when my 30" wakes after being asleep for a long time, say 10 hours, it takes a couple of minutes for the display to appear as it should. I always called it a little dim but I can see how you could call it fog. I am just assuming that it takes a bit of time to warm up. If it wakes after being asleep for say 20 minutes, it appears "normal" right away. David McLaughlin From VLH at HerringLaw.com Tue Nov 25 12:47:54 2008 From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Tue Nov 25 12:49:07 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Apple Display Monitor 'fog' In-Reply-To: <51B40697-BD7B-419C-BD60-7116A5B87ACE@imaginarytower.org> References: <21294404141804613291971310126062906508-Webmail@me.com> <51B40697-BD7B-419C-BD60-7116A5B87ACE@imaginarytower.org> Message-ID: I hope you're right but it is asleep many times for 8-10 hours a day and it's not a dimness...it's literally like a fog appears on the screen = it's 'bright' but foggy...and it doesn't always happen if it's asleep for a long time. I'll monitor it, just trying to know more before I try to deal with it up the Apple chain. >>it's an Apple Display Monitor, 30", attached to my MacPro, plenty of power. > >Sometimes when my 30" wakes after being asleep for a long time, say >10 hours, it takes a couple of minutes for the display to appear as >it should. I always called it a little dim but I can see how you >could call it fog. > >I am just assuming that it takes a bit of time to warm up. > >If it wakes after being asleep for say 20 minutes, it appears >"normal" right away. > >David McLaughlin -- Victoria L. Herring, Discrimination/Civil Rights Attorney, http://www.herringlaw.com; Travel Research/Photography site, http://www.JourneyZing.com; Online Gallery- http://gallery.journeyzing.com. Des Moines, Iowa; 515-255-4475 From newz at bearfruit.org Tue Nov 25 19:11:56 2008 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Tue Nov 25 19:12:20 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Apple Display Monitor 'fog' In-Reply-To: <51B40697-BD7B-419C-BD60-7116A5B87ACE@imaginarytower.org> References: <21294404141804613291971310126062906508-Webmail@me.com> <51B40697-BD7B-419C-BD60-7116A5B87ACE@imaginarytower.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 12:36 PM, David McLaughlin wrote: >> it's an Apple Display Monitor, 30", attached to my MacPro, plenty of >> power. > > Sometimes when my 30" wakes after being asleep for a long time, say 10 > hours, it takes a couple of minutes for the display to appear as it should. > I always called it a little dim but I can see how you could call it fog. > > I am just assuming that it takes a bit of time to warm up. > > If it wakes after being asleep for say 20 minutes, it appears "normal" right > away. > This is not uncommon for ccfl tubes (same technology as the new energy efficient light bulbs replacing incandescents these days). It's more pronounced with the room temperature is cooler and as the display ages. They work very much like fluorescent light bulbs - they get brighter as they warm up. If your display is under warranty I would talk to the manufacturer and see if this is covered and if so consider having it replaced. I would expect this on a cheap brand display but not on an Apple screen. I was working in my garage today and the shop lights take a good 10 min to reach full brightness in this cold weather. Same concept. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode From cwsmith7 at gmail.com Tue Nov 25 20:01:24 2008 From: cwsmith7 at gmail.com (CW Smith) Date: Tue Nov 25 21:45:48 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Localized Date & Time pref pane and World Clock widget Message-ID: <0A4E74DA-BCEA-44E7-8C80-2AC420E30C26@gmail.com> I've modified these files to add Des Moines to the time zone menus. These versions are for Leopard (10.5); if you like, I can modify the appropriate files in Tiger (10.4), or even the D&T for Panther (10.3) or Jaguar (10.2). NOTE: before you install these, copy your originals to a safe location on your desktop or in your user folder in case you want to go back to them. Date & Time preference pane: Go to [your hard drive] / System / Library / PreferencePanes. Move DateAndTime.prefpane to your desktop or to a safe folder in your user folder. Drag the following attachment to [hd] / System / Library / PreferencePanes. Open System Preferences > Date and Time and either click in the general vicinity of Des Moines, or click into Central time zone and select Des Moines from the drop-down menu. World Clock widget: Go to [hd] / Library / Widget. Move World Clock to your desktop or a safe folder in your user folder. Double-click on the following attachment. When prompted, select "install" and then "Keep." Click the "i" button and select Des Moines from the drop-down menu. Click "Done." As always, if you're not REALLY SURE and REALLY CONFIDENT getting into the guts of your operating system, ASK FOR HELP! I and others in the DMMUG are always here to help. Enjoy! Peace, CW ------------------------------------------------ CW Smith guitar, bass, percussion, Macintosh cwsmith7@gmail.com ------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- Skipped content of type multipart/mixed From rbowler at mchsi.com Wed Nov 26 06:25:19 2008 From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler) Date: Wed Nov 26 06:25:45 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Good meeting Message-ID: We had a good meeting with a lot of discussion. We have several topics for starting next year and they will be posted on the list and the web site as they are confirmed. The large email with attachments from CW Smith is a result of something he was showing us. We don't have a main item for the Jan. meeting but we have a, hopefully, short one at 8:00 PM. We have mentioned dues several times in the past. The first question is what would we use the money for? The second would be what do you get for the dues? The third how much dues? I don't think that participation in the mailing list should be impacted by this so relax on that one. If you want to comment in private send me an email or post to the list and I will collect them for the Jan. meeting. Ray Bowler rbowler.home.mchsi.com