From thorgrim at mindspring.com  Thu May  1 16:19:08 2008
From: thorgrim at mindspring.com (Thorgrim)
Date: Thu May  1 16:19:36 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Next Meeting Topic
Message-ID: <DD99442E-668A-4257-987E-5A1F9A992659@mindspring.com>

Please take a look at the Future Meetings topics at

http://www.dmmug.org/meetings/future/future.html

and post what you would like the next meeting to be about.

David D. McLaughlin
webmaster@dmmug.org
From rbowler at mchsi.com  Thu May  1 18:15:12 2008
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Thu May  1 18:15:36 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Next Meeting Topic
In-Reply-To: <DD99442E-668A-4257-987E-5A1F9A992659@mindspring.com>
References: <DD99442E-668A-4257-987E-5A1F9A992659@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <342A9F49-82B6-461A-A351-06ACDC00A5BC@mchsi.com>

David,

Looks good. I would like to see the sessions on web development.  
Maintenance would be good also.

Would editing images with Photoshop Elements be of interest?

On May 1, 2008, at May 1, 20084:19 PM, Thorgrim wrote:

> Please take a look at the Future Meetings topics at
>
> http://www.dmmug.org/meetings/future/future.html
>
> and post what you would like the next meeting to be about.
>
> David D. McLaughlin
> webmaster@dmmug.org
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From vlh at herringlaw.com  Thu May  1 18:25:22 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu May  1 18:30:09 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Next Meeting Topic
In-Reply-To: <DD99442E-668A-4257-987E-5A1F9A992659@mindspring.com>
References: <DD99442E-668A-4257-987E-5A1F9A992659@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <p06240816c440012076f0@[192.168.2.2]>

>Please take a look at the Future Meetings topics at
>
>http://www.dmmug.org/meetings/future/future.html

and we need presenter-volunteers or suggestions of nonmembers or 
others who would be really good on these topics

>
     *  Website Creation - Design Tools 
(iWeb/RapidWeaver/ExpanDrive/TextWrangler)
     * Website Creation - Hosting (.mac/ISP/hosting company/self hosting)

I think doing a Hosting and Tools topic ref Website creation would be 
good = either shouldn't take all that long or else plan them as Part 
I and then II sequential months

     * WebsIte Creation - Blogging, RSS Feeds  and  * Website 
Bookmarking tools & organizers

would be the next topic related to website creation

constant topic == * Mac Maintenance
   
related but maybe a separate meeting * Data Integrity - backups, 
disaster recovery, preventive maintenance
   
maybe a fun topic for slow summer months * Transferring old movies to DVD
   
     * Switching to the Mac from Windows
   

-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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From hfwelch at mac.com  Thu May  1 20:06:12 2008
From: hfwelch at mac.com (Holly Welch)
Date: Thu May  1 20:06:56 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Next Meeting Topic
In-Reply-To: <p06240816c440012076f0@[192.168.2.2]>
References: <DD99442E-668A-4257-987E-5A1F9A992659@mindspring.com>
	<p06240816c440012076f0@[192.168.2.2]>
Message-ID: <9F9FEE75-4DD5-41A6-93FB-2F868C275639@mac.com>

I think the topics look great! I think there are enough questions to  
to make your choices may even bring in some new people.
After working with websites on dreamweaver, iWeb and trying to figure  
it all out, I think each of those topics (design & hosting) would  
need it's own night, unless we just want lip service on what they  
are. The last two days, I have spent at Least 1  1/2 hours on the  
phone with Apple and Go Daddy, and these are not my first sites. I've  
been doing websites for over a year, but ran into some issues I  
couldn't resolve, and they were fairly common issues.
On May 1, 2008, at 6:25 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

>> Please take a look at the Future Meetings topics at
>> http://www.dmmug.org/meetings/future/future.html
>
> and we need presenter-volunteers or suggestions of nonmembers or  
> others who would be really good on these topics
>
>>
>     *  Website Creation - Design Tools (iWeb/RapidWeaver/ExpanDrive/ 
> TextWrangler)
>     * Website Creation - Hosting (.mac/ISP/hosting company/self  
> hosting)
>
> I think doing a Hosting and Tools topic ref Website creation would  
> be good = either shouldn't take all that long or else plan them as  
> Part I and then II sequential months
>
>     * WebsIte Creation - Blogging, RSS Feeds  and  * Website  
> Bookmarking tools & organizers
>
> would be the next topic related to website creation
>
> constant topic == * Mac Maintenance
>
> related but maybe a separate meeting * Data Integrity - backups,  
> disaster recovery, preventive maintenance
>
> maybe a fun topic for slow summer months * Transferring old movies  
> to DVD
>
>     * Switching to the Mac from Windows
>
>
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights,   
> Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph.  
> 515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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> DMMUG mailing list
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From jack at jackmathews.com  Thu May  1 20:20:04 2008
From: jack at jackmathews.com (Jack Mathews)
Date: Thu May  1 20:20:37 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Next Meeting Topic
In-Reply-To: <9F9FEE75-4DD5-41A6-93FB-2F868C275639@mac.com>
References: <DD99442E-668A-4257-987E-5A1F9A992659@mindspring.com>
	<p06240816c440012076f0@[192.168.2.2]>
	<9F9FEE75-4DD5-41A6-93FB-2F868C275639@mac.com>
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First class was full, don't know about the second because I couldn't  
get in the first but this is of interest to me. I think Glazebrook  
works at Meredith Publishing. There's a fee and it's ongoing for  
several night all of which I'm up to. In California they call these  
things SIGS (special interest groups) but of course we're not in  
California.

====================================================
Intro to Modern Web Design	3 Wks?$50
Learn the basics of web design from a contemporary standpoint. Too  
many web classes teach methods and techniques as old as the web  
itself; this class will teach you what web designers are using today.  
Learn the basics of XHTML and get an introduction to CSS in order to  
create clean, usable pages that work everywhere and are search-engine  
friendly. Basic computer skills required. Bring a 3 +" floppy disc or  
USB flash drive to save your files.?Instr: Glazebrook
Class Full	Hoover-118	Tue, Thu	March 25	6:00 PM to 8:00 PM

Modern Web Design II	4 Wks?$60
If you've taken the Intro to Modern Web Design course, or are already  
comfortable with XHTML and are looking to brush up on modern  
practices, this class is for you. You'll learn how to use Cascading  
Style Sheets (CSS) to transform your well-crafted XHTML documents into  
lean, attractive websites that work on all modern web browsers. Bring  
a 3-1/2" floppy disc or USB flash drive to save your files.?Instr:  
Glazebrook
C026301	Hoover-118	Tue, Thu	April 29	6:00 PM to 8:00 PM
=====================================================================
On May 1, 2008, at 8:06 PM, Holly Welch wrote:

I think the topics look great! I think there are enough questions to  
to make your choices may even bring in some new people.
After working with websites on dreamweaver, iWeb and trying to figure  
it all out, I think each of those topics (design & hosting) would need  
it's own night, unless we just want lip service on what they are. The  
last two days, I have spent at Least 1  1/2 hours on the phone with  
Apple and Go Daddy, and these are not my first sites. I've been doing  
websites for over a year, but ran into some issues I couldn't resolve,  
and they were fairly common issues.
On May 1, 2008, at 6:25 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

>> Please take a look at the Future Meetings topics at
>> http://www.dmmug.org/meetings/future/future.html
>
> and we need presenter-volunteers or suggestions of nonmembers or  
> others who would be really good on these topics
>
>>
>     *  Website Creation - Design Tools (iWeb/RapidWeaver/ExpanDrive/ 
> TextWrangler)
>     * Website Creation - Hosting (.mac/ISP/hosting company/self  
> hosting)
>
> I think doing a Hosting and Tools topic ref Website creation would  
> be good = either shouldn't take all that long or else plan them as  
> Part I and then II sequential months
>
>     * WebsIte Creation - Blogging, RSS Feeds  and  * Website  
> Bookmarking tools & organizers
>
> would be the next topic related to website creation
>
> constant topic == * Mac Maintenance
>
> related but maybe a separate meeting * Data Integrity - backups,  
> disaster recovery, preventive maintenance
>
> maybe a fun topic for slow summer months * Transferring old movies  
> to DVD
>
>     * Switching to the Mac from Windows
>
>
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights,   
> Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph.  
> 515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
> _______________________________________________
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From BYDORY at aol.com  Fri May  2 05:35:04 2008
From: BYDORY at aol.com (BYDORY@aol.com)
Date: Fri May  2 05:35:32 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Next Meeting Topic
Message-ID: <cd5.2d5e2ad3.354c4858@aol.com>

 I am interested in anything to do with Photoshop Elements.   Dora Ward



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From vlh at herringlaw.com  Sun May  4 21:42:58 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sun May  4 21:43:26 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] making a 10 minute music piece from 3 mp3 or mp4s
Message-ID: <p06240804c44424436cf2@[192.168.2.2]>

I need to take 3 different songs, have them play then fade out into 
the next and end == all will be total 10 min.  Is this something 
better accomplished in iMovie or in Grarageband or iTunes == I could 
bring in 2 of them but the 3rd is protected so I couldn't join it 
with the other two = am making a 10 or so minute presentation via 
keynote and the music is to go along with it
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From cmsspace at aol.com  Sun May  4 23:02:46 2008
From: cmsspace at aol.com (cmsspace)
Date: Sun May  4 23:03:19 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] making a 10 minute music piece from 3 mp3 or mp4s
In-Reply-To: <p06240804c44424436cf2@[192.168.2.2]>
Message-ID: <FE29CD60.35DE.4A1A.8305.EFFA9C5B74F5@aol.com>

You can also use Audacity for audio editing but the protected MP4 is going to be a problem. ?One solution is to record it while it's playing. ?Kind of strange but I've done it before (I've taken the audio off some video running on my computer so I could listen to it for private use), not that I would?recommend?doing anything illegal. ?Also look into MP3 Trimmer. ?

On May 4, 2008, at 9:42:58 PM, "Victoria L. Herring" <vlh@herringlaw.com> wrote:
From:   "Victoria L. Herring" <vlh@herringlaw.com>
Subject:    [DM-MUG] making a 10 minute music piece from 3 mp3 or mp4s
Date:   May 4, 2008 9:42:58 PM CDT
To: "MUG Des Moines" <dmmug@dmmug.org>
I need to take 3 different songs, have them play then fade out into 
the next and end == all will be total 10 min.  Is this something 
better accomplished in iMovie or in Grarageband or iTunes == I could 
bring in 2 of them but the 3rd is protected so I couldn't join it 
with the other two = am making a 10 or so minute presentation via 
keynote and the music is to go along with it
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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From ka_klick at mac.com  Mon May  5 10:15:43 2008
From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker)
Date: Mon May  5 10:16:19 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] making a 10 minute music piece from 3 mp3 or mp4s
In-Reply-To: <p06240804c44424436cf2@[192.168.2.2]>
References: <p06240804c44424436cf2@[192.168.2.2]>
Message-ID: <118585C5-024D-4736-9D6C-694825A01B84@mac.com>

I believe GarageBand will let you add protected MP4s as tracks. In  
fact I believe there is a media drawer to access other iLife media  
right there. I'd put each tune on a separate track, adjust the start  
points to where you want them in the show, then use the fader  
automation tools to fade up / down the tracks as needed. Also adjust  
the end point (the little purple left facing triangle thingy up in the  
timing bar to the point you want the resulting file to end.

All in all I think GB is your best bet, since it's part of iLife, I  
believe they anticipated people using the occasional protected tune  
for their own use. If you want to be a bit "safer" about it you could  
just leave it in GB and play it from there, not saving a resulting  
mixdown file. THe trick would then be triggering it to play when you  
want. I have a nice little transport box that'll do that, but it's  
overkill for your project.

It's also possible that they have closed the protected mp4's out of GB  
since GB can make ringtones. I'd give it a shot though.



On May 4, 2008, at 9:42 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
> I need to take 3 different songs, have them play then fade out into  
> the next and end == all will be total 10 min.  Is this something  
> better accomplished in iMovie or in Grarageband or iTunes == I could  
> bring in 2 of them but the 3rd is protected so I couldn't join it  
> with the other two = am making a 10 or so minute presentation via  
> keynote and the music is to go along with it
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights,  
> Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph.  
> 515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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With 2 New CDs!!! See my website for details
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http://ka-klick.com


From homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net  Mon May  5 10:32:01 2008
From: homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net (Roses Derise)
Date: Mon May  5 10:32:30 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Deleting a snippet on itunes
In-Reply-To: <118585C5-024D-4736-9D6C-694825A01B84@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C44492A1.1BE8%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>

I have this nice hypnotic sleep tape that works really, really well, soft,
soothing voice and all that, and there I am asleep when on the end, after a
delicious silence, there is this sudden, startling, brightly booming voice
that says "We hope you have enjoyed this Audible Audiobook!!!"

Is there anyway of removing this part of the file?


From darcybaston at mac.com  Mon May  5 10:36:56 2008
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Mon May  5 10:37:20 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Deleting a snippet on itunes
In-Reply-To: <C44492A1.1BE8%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>
References: <C44492A1.1BE8%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>
Message-ID: <FF6351A6-0119-1000-BDCE-5DCBCB95C7A3-Webmail-10020@mac.com>

Instead, can you highlight the file, hit CMD+I, and go to the second last tab and change the end time of the audio file so that iTunes stops playing it before it gets there? So if it says something like 30:22, you could change the end time to 30:00.

Darcy

 
On Monday, May 05, 2008, at 10:32AM, "Roses Derise" <homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net> wrote:
>I have this nice hypnotic sleep tape that works really, really well, soft,
>soothing voice and all that, and there I am asleep when on the end, after a
>delicious silence, there is this sudden, startling, brightly booming voice
>that says "We hope you have enjoyed this Audible Audiobook!!!"
>
>Is there anyway of removing this part of the file?
From homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net  Mon May  5 11:22:34 2008
From: homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net (Roses Derise)
Date: Mon May  5 11:23:01 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Deleting a snippet on itunes
In-Reply-To: <FF6351A6-0119-1000-BDCE-5DCBCB95C7A3-Webmail-10020@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C4449E7A.1BF0%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>

Thanks, that worked! I really appreciate knowing how to do that!


On 5/5/08 10:36 AM, "Darcy Baston" <darcybaston@mac.com> wrote:

> Instead, can you highlight the file, hit CMD+I, and go to the second last tab
> and change the end time of the audio file so that iTunes stops playing it
> before it gets there? So if it says something like 30:22, you could change the
> end time to 30:00.
> 
> Darcy
> 
>  
> On Monday, May 05, 2008, at 10:32AM, "Roses Derise"
> <homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net> wrote:
>> I have this nice hypnotic sleep tape that works really, really well, soft,
>> soothing voice and all that, and there I am asleep when on the end, after a
>> delicious silence, there is this sudden, startling, brightly booming voice
>> that says "We hope you have enjoyed this Audible Audiobook!!!"
>> 
>> Is there anyway of removing this part of the file?
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From vlh at herringlaw.com  Mon May  5 20:12:29 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Mon May  5 20:12:58 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] making a 10 minute music piece from 3 mp3 or mp4s
In-Reply-To: <118585C5-024D-4736-9D6C-694825A01B84@mac.com>
References: <p06240804c44424436cf2@[192.168.2.2]>
	<118585C5-024D-4736-9D6C-694825A01B84@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p0624084fc4455c037d6a@[192.168.2.2]>

>I believe GarageBand will let you add protected MP4s as tracks. In 
>fact I believe there is a media drawer to access other iLife media 
>right there. I'd put each tune on a separate track, adjust the start 
>points to where you want them in the show, then use the fader 
>automation tools to fade up / down the tracks as needed. Also adjust 
>the end point (the little purple left facing triangle thingy up in 
>the timing bar to the point you want the resulting file to end.
>
>All in all I think GB is your best bet, since it's part of iLife, I 
>believe they anticipated people using the occasional protected tune 
>for their own use. If you want to be a bit "safer" about it you 
>could just leave it in GB and play it from there, not saving a 
>resulting mixdown file. THe trick would then be triggering it to 
>play when you want. I have a nice little transport box that'll do 
>that, but it's overkill for your project.

This is very helpful, thanks much.
By the way, GB, Audacity and MP3Trimmer - none of them will work with 
the AAC thing.  I may play it and record it on my ipod then work with 
it??

I had a copy of the song that won't work and it comes in fine but 
it's not the version we want to use == the one we want is the locked 
file and when I try to drag it in it says  "you cannot import a 
"rights-protected AAC audio file".  I do however have the three songs 
[using the version of #3 that I can import] now in GB with one on 
each line.

Now what? Not being sure what a track is and how you get #1 to go for 
so long before #2 and then play #2 to go for so long and then in 
comes #3, I'm at a loss == I tried to do a Cut to get rid of the part 
of #1 I didn't wnt or need and it deleted the whole thing...

I see that I can move the 2nd thing [track?] to the Right and put it 
at the endpoint of the 1st track but can't get the lst one to be cut 
or end when I want...
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From CMSSpace at aol.com  Mon May  5 22:09:42 2008
From: CMSSpace at aol.com (CMSSpace@aol.com)
Date: Mon May  5 22:10:09 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] making a 10 minute music piece from 3 mp3 or mp4s
Message-ID: <c7a.328870a7.355125f6@aol.com>

As I said, you can play the ACC file in iTunes and record it in another 
application at the same time.   You lose a little quality but it works.   Connect 
the output of your Mac to the input using a stereo to stereo cable.   Make sure 
the application you are recording to has it's output muted (uncheck the thru 
option) or you will get an echo effect.   The idea is like recording the 
output of your iPod to your computer.  


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Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food.
      
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From ka_klick at mac.com  Mon May  5 22:14:54 2008
From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker)
Date: Mon May  5 22:15:19 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] making a 10 minute music piece from 3 mp3 or mp4s
In-Reply-To: <c7a.328870a7.355125f6@aol.com>
References: <c7a.328870a7.355125f6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <414531CE-EACA-4664-A0B2-21B9D9EC4B22@mac.com>

Or: Burn it to CD, then rip that CD.

On May 5, 2008, at 10:09 PM, CMSSpace@aol.com wrote:
> As I said, you can play the ACC file in iTunes and record it in  
> another application at the same time.  You lose a little quality but  
> it works.  Connect the output of your Mac to the input using a  
> stereo to stereo cable.  Make sure the application you are recording  
> to has it's output muted (uncheck the thru option) or you will get  
> an echo effect.  The idea is like recording the output of your iPod  
> to your computer.
>
>
> **************
> Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family  
> favorites at AOL Food.
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http://ka-klick.com


From jmuller38 at mchsi.com  Mon May  5 22:42:51 2008
From: jmuller38 at mchsi.com (Jeff Muller)
Date: Mon May  5 22:43:14 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] iTunes
In-Reply-To: <2074FF72-C159-4C46-8864-7221135FE739@mac.com>
References: <4e968e4ba7ec0012a388d63bef3279a3@mchsi.com>
	<6EF983D3-3610-44A6-BD5C-5F7DCA4E20D9@gmail.com>
	<EE7F7799-62FE-40FB-8918-86D43D2F5BBA@mac.com>
	<2074FF72-C159-4C46-8864-7221135FE739@mac.com>
Message-ID: <800bbb3f79bbbb54b500903e1e5308ec@mchsi.com>

Finally had a chance to do this and it worked perfectly! Thanks so much 
to all for the consensus and the help! What a wonderful resource!

Jeff

On Apr 24, 2008, at 10:56 PM, Darcy Baston wrote:

> You won't have to rebuild any playlists or anything. It will be 
> exactly what you had before. Forgot to mention that before. :)
>
> On Apr 24, 2008, at 10:53 PM, Darcy Baston wrote:
>
>> This may be easier:
>>
>> -COPY the iTunes folder to an external hard drive. Drag and drop to 
>> the external drive will do this.
>>
>> -Launch iTunes while holding down the OPTION key. When asked, click 
>> 'Choose Library', and navigate to the iTunes folder on the external 
>> drive.
>>
>> -Delete the old iTunes folder on your internal drive.
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From ka_klick at mac.com  Tue May  6 00:18:36 2008
From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker)
Date: Tue May  6 00:19:03 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] making a 10 minute music piece from 3 mp3 or mp4s
In-Reply-To: <p0624084fc4455c037d6a@[192.168.2.2]>
References: <p06240804c44424436cf2@[192.168.2.2]>
	<118585C5-024D-4736-9D6C-694825A01B84@mac.com>
	<p0624084fc4455c037d6a@[192.168.2.2]>
Message-ID: <945ECE0D-069C-430D-9AE7-C33EEB39BA32@mac.com>

A track is where the audio waveform is, and also on the right side the  
control area. You can have as many as you want (up to the machine's  
limits) 2 or 3 should work for this. If you drag a wave below an  
existing track and drop it it should make a new one.

once you have your tracks click the little downward pointing triangle  
(next to the lock icon) that reveals the automation  for that track -  
you can just draw the fades by clicking along the line and dragging.

On May 5, 2008, at 8:12 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
>> I believe GarageBand will let you add protected MP4s as tracks. In  
>> fact I believe there is a media drawer to access other iLife media  
>> right there. I'd put each tune on a separate track, adjust the  
>> start points to where you want them in the show, then use the fader  
>> automation tools to fade up / down the tracks as needed. Also  
>> adjust the end point (the little purple left facing triangle thingy  
>> up in the timing bar to the point you want the resulting file to end.
>>
>> All in all I think GB is your best bet, since it's part of iLife, I  
>> believe they anticipated people using the occasional protected tune  
>> for their own use. If you want to be a bit "safer" about it you  
>> could just leave it in GB and play it from there, not saving a  
>> resulting mixdown file. THe trick would then be triggering it to  
>> play when you want. I have a nice little transport box that'll do  
>> that, but it's overkill for your project.
>
> This is very helpful, thanks much.
> By the way, GB, Audacity and MP3Trimmer - none of them will work  
> with the AAC thing.  I may play it and record it on my ipod then  
> work with it??
>
> I had a copy of the song that won't work and it comes in fine but  
> it's not the version we want to use == the one we want is the locked  
> file and when I try to drag it in it says  "you cannot import a  
> "rights-protected AAC audio file".  I do however have the three  
> songs [using the version of #3 that I can import] now in GB with one  
> on each line.
>
> Now what? Not being sure what a track is and how you get #1 to go  
> for so long before #2 and then play #2 to go for so long and then in  
> comes #3, I'm at a loss == I tried to do a Cut to get rid of the  
> part of #1 I didn't wnt or need and it deleted the whole thing...
>
> I see that I can move the 2nd thing [track?] to the Right and put it  
> at the endpoint of the 1st track but can't get the lst one to be cut  
> or end when I want...
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights,  
> Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph.  
> 515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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http://ka-klick.com


From darcybaston at mac.com  Tue May  6 07:15:32 2008
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Tue May  6 07:16:00 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] iTunes
In-Reply-To: <800bbb3f79bbbb54b500903e1e5308ec@mchsi.com>
References: <4e968e4ba7ec0012a388d63bef3279a3@mchsi.com>
	<6EF983D3-3610-44A6-BD5C-5F7DCA4E20D9@gmail.com>
	<EE7F7799-62FE-40FB-8918-86D43D2F5BBA@mac.com>
	<2074FF72-C159-4C46-8864-7221135FE739@mac.com>
	<800bbb3f79bbbb54b500903e1e5308ec@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <3B7ABCF8-F481-41E1-A22C-AB324FFBBBC8@mac.com>

Cool! I like happy endings. :)


On May 5, 2008, at 10:42 PM, Jeff Muller wrote:

> Finally had a chance to do this and it worked perfectly! Thanks so  
> much to all for the consensus and the help! What a wonderful resource!
>
> Jeff
>
> On Apr 24, 2008, at 10:56 PM, Darcy Baston wrote:
>
>> You won't have to rebuild any playlists or anything. It will be  
>> exactly what you had before. Forgot to mention that before. :)
>>
>> On Apr 24, 2008, at 10:53 PM, Darcy Baston wrote:
>>
>>> This may be easier:
>>>
>>> -COPY the iTunes folder to an external hard drive. Drag and drop  
>>> to the external drive will do this.
>>>
>>> -Launch iTunes while holding down the OPTION key. When asked,  
>>> click 'Choose Library', and navigate to the iTunes folder on the  
>>> external drive.
>>>
>>> -Delete the old iTunes folder on your internal drive.
From vvaldez753 at mchsi.com  Tue May  6 20:24:02 2008
From: vvaldez753 at mchsi.com (Vincent Valdez)
Date: Tue May  6 20:24:27 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Bridges Doesn't Work with Photoshop Elements 
Message-ID: <1A3DC81C-6C1A-47C7-98C9-28EF2A90802B@mchsi.com>

Friends,
I recently downloaded the trial version of PSE6. It doesn't seem to  
work with Bridges, or does it? I went to preferences and selected edit  
with PSE and it does edit but doesn't save it back in iPhoto where it  
says it will be saved. Has anybody had this experience? I love PSE but  
I need to find a good editing software that works with my Mac and it's  
applications. At one of our meetings Aperture and Lightroom were  
discussed. Which of these is similar to PS, or , better?  Why would  
Adobe make a version that works with a Mac and not with iPhoto????  Or  
is Apple messing with Adobe?????
Vince 
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From jack at jackmathews.com  Wed May  7 06:38:13 2008
From: jack at jackmathews.com (Jack Mathews)
Date: Wed May  7 06:38:39 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Compression
Message-ID: <3FA3BFA7-5831-4D2C-96B6-C0DD0D26B9BA@jackmathews.com>

Here's my dilemma, I have a 2.1MB pdf  newsletter to send to 389  
members of the Des Moines Cycle Club, it takes just under 2 minutes  
just to send out 1, can this be compressed on my end so that it will  
uncompress on the receivers end to take up less broadband use and send  
faster?

Thanks for looking!


Jack Mathews
Des Moines Cycle Club
www.dmcycleclub.com
www.dmcycleclub.com/blog
jack@jackmathews.com
515.306.7946



From djweis at internetsolver.com  Wed May  7 06:42:28 2008
From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis)
Date: Wed May  7 06:42:51 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Compression
In-Reply-To: <3FA3BFA7-5831-4D2C-96B6-C0DD0D26B9BA@jackmathews.com>
References: <3FA3BFA7-5831-4D2C-96B6-C0DD0D26B9BA@jackmathews.com>
Message-ID: <482195A4.4080104@internetsolver.com>

Jack Mathews wrote:
> Here's my dilemma, I have a 2.1MB pdf  newsletter to send to 389 members 
> of the Des Moines Cycle Club, it takes just under 2 minutes just to send 
> out 1, can this be compressed on my end so that it will uncompress on 
> the receivers end to take up less broadband use and send faster?

Put it on the web site and let people download it when they want instead 
of putting it in their email :-)

If you send it out as one email with everyone in the BCC it will only 
get uploaded once. The recipients most likely have an asymmetric 
Internet connection so they can download 5 times-10 times faster than 
you can upload also.

dave

From darcybaston at mac.com  Wed May  7 07:32:26 2008
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Wed May  7 07:32:50 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Compression
In-Reply-To: <482195A4.4080104@internetsolver.com>
References: <3FA3BFA7-5831-4D2C-96B6-C0DD0D26B9BA@jackmathews.com>
	<482195A4.4080104@internetsolver.com>
Message-ID: <B3D1139A-808D-4573-B99B-A32C033933B2@mac.com>

I agree with Dave. With a recipients list, you should only ever have  
to send the message and its PDF attachment once. But hosting it on  
your web site is a much better idea.

Setup a "newsletter" folder off the root of the site, put the PDFs of  
the current and past newsletters in there, and then write a web page  
called index.html, also stored in that folder that lists all  
newsletters by year and month.

---
Example:
URL: www.dmcycleclub.com/newsletter

Page can look like:
---
---
Current Newsletter (link to current PDF)

Past Newsletters:
2008
May | April | March | February | January (all of these are links)

2007
December | November | October | September | August | July | June | May  
| April | March | February | January (links)
---

Name your newsletters using a convention like dmcycleclub-yyyy-mm- 
dd.pdf so they're easy to peruse by you the archive holder (operating  
system will sort them nicely), and club members who may save them.

Darcy


On May 7, 2008, at 6:42 AM, Dave Weis wrote:

> Jack Mathews wrote:
>> Here's my dilemma, I have a 2.1MB pdf  newsletter to send to 389  
>> members of the Des Moines Cycle Club, it takes just under 2 minutes  
>> just to send out 1, can this be compressed on my end so that it  
>> will uncompress on the receivers end to take up less broadband use  
>> and send faster?
>
> Put it on the web site and let people download it when they want  
> instead of putting it in their email :-)
>
> If you send it out as one email with everyone in the BCC it will  
> only get uploaded once. The recipients most likely have an  
> asymmetric Internet connection so they can download 5 times-10 times  
> faster than you can upload also.
>
> dave
From vlh at herringlaw.com  Wed May  7 16:26:41 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Wed May  7 16:31:34 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] making a 10 minute music piece from 3 mp3 or mp4s
In-Reply-To: <p0624084fc4455c037d6a@[192.168.2.2]>
References: <p06240804c44424436cf2@[192.168.2.2]>
	<118585C5-024D-4736-9D6C-694825A01B84@mac.com>
	<p0624084fc4455c037d6a@[192.168.2.2]>
Message-ID: <p06240823c447ceef6b7e@[192.168.2.2]>

found this helpful article on a couple of Q I had == has answers to 
joining songs and also dealing with the DRM songs

http://www.macworld.com/article/43560/2005/03/classicalipod.html
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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From vlh at herringlaw.com  Wed May  7 20:27:17 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Wed May  7 20:31:34 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] making a 10 minute music piece from 3 mp3 or mp4s
In-Reply-To: <p06240823c447ceef6b7e@[192.168.2.2]>
References: <p06240804c44424436cf2@[192.168.2.2]>
	<118585C5-024D-4736-9D6C-694825A01B84@mac.com>
	<p0624084fc4455c037d6a@[192.168.2.2]>
	<p06240823c447ceef6b7e@[192.168.2.2]>
Message-ID: <p0624082dc448074ca136@[192.168.2.2]>

I asked my son too == no answer yet to the Q of the DRM protected 
song [I found another anyway] but here's his answer = extremely 
simple...and pictures too!

You are asking the right person.

Create 3 basic tracks and import the respective songs in their order 
by dragging them into the
garageband
window.

Switch to time mode, as the beat will not line up anyway.
http://
img.photobucket.com/albums/v341/Viralglitch/time.gif

Open this tab for the volume over time control.
http://
img.photobucket.com/albums/v341/Viralglitch/trackvolume.gif

Adjust to taste
http://
img.photobucket.com/albums/v341/Viralglitch/fade.gif

if you need any more help just ask.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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From bcarlso at gmail.com  Thu May  8 18:06:42 2008
From: bcarlso at gmail.com (Brandon Carlson)
Date: Thu May  8 18:07:05 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] making a 10 minute music piece from 3 mp3 or mp4s
In-Reply-To: <p0624082dc448074ca136@192.168.2.2>
References: <p06240804c44424436cf2@192.168.2.2>
	<118585C5-024D-4736-9D6C-694825A01B84@mac.com>
	<p0624084fc4455c037d6a@192.168.2.2>
	<p06240823c447ceef6b7e@192.168.2.2>
	<p0624082dc448074ca136@192.168.2.2>
Message-ID: <19cb0cc70805081606s6854587cxcbb965a5820c517d@mail.gmail.com>

you may be able to download the non-drm'ed file from amazon...

On 5/7/08, Victoria L. Herring <vlh@herringlaw.com> wrote:
> I asked my son too == no answer yet to the Q of the DRM protected
> song [I found another anyway] but here's his answer = extremely
> simple...and pictures too!
>
> You are asking the right person.
>
> Create 3 basic tracks and import the respective songs in their order
> by dragging them into the
> garageband
> window.
>
> Switch to time mode, as the beat will not line up anyway.
> http://
> img.photobucket.com/albums/v341/Viralglitch/time.gif
>
> Open this tab for the volume over time control.
> http://
> img.photobucket.com/albums/v341/Viralglitch/trackvolume.gif
>
> Adjust to taste
> http://
> img.photobucket.com/albums/v341/Viralglitch/fade.gif
>
> if you need any more help just ask.
> --
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights,
> Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph.
> 515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From vlh at herringlaw.com  Sun May 11 07:33:36 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sun May 11 07:42:07 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] making a 10 minute music piece from 3 mp3 or mp4s
In-Reply-To: <19cb0cc70805081606s6854587cxcbb965a5820c517d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <p06240804c44424436cf2@192.168.2.2>
	<118585C5-024D-4736-9D6C-694825A01B84@mac.com>
	<p0624084fc4455c037d6a@192.168.2.2>	<p06240823c447ceef6b7e@192.168.2.2>
	<p0624082dc448074ca136@192.168.2.2>
	<19cb0cc70805081606s6854587cxcbb965a5820c517d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06240801c44c97db105a@[192.168.2.2]>

>you may be able to download the non-drm'ed file from amazon...

it's there but the one I was looking for is a longer version 
available via Album only, but thanks for the suggestion....now that I 
have learned how to mix things I may just add the last two minutes 
thru another mix or re-addition of the last song
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From thorgrim at imaginarytower.org  Mon May 12 15:36:22 2008
From: thorgrim at imaginarytower.org (David McLaughlin)
Date: Mon May 12 15:36:53 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] May 2008 Meeting & Topic
Message-ID: <B2DD815E-ACC6-41AD-8AC9-5D1E67BA34FA@imaginarytower.org>

OK, so the next meeting is on 05/20/2008 (4th tuesday) right?  Not  
05/27/2008 as I currently have posted.

<sigh>  I need to update the web site.

What topic should we have?

I personally, don't have the time this month to prepare a presentation  
(maybe next month).  Any takers?  Or should we just have a general  
discussion.

David D. McLaughlin
webmaster@dmmug.org
From cwsmith7 at gmail.com  Mon May 12 16:10:57 2008
From: cwsmith7 at gmail.com (CW Smith)
Date: Mon May 12 16:11:44 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] May 2008 Meeting & Topic
In-Reply-To: <B2DD815E-ACC6-41AD-8AC9-5D1E67BA34FA@imaginarytower.org>
References: <B2DD815E-ACC6-41AD-8AC9-5D1E67BA34FA@imaginarytower.org>
Message-ID: <95D968AC-6412-43AE-B890-347A358A738D@gmail.com>

> OK, so the next meeting is on 05/20/2008 (4th tuesday) right?  Not  
> 05/27/2008 as I currently have posted.

No, you were right before: the 4th Tuesday is the 27th (6, 13, 20, 27).
From rbowler at mchsi.com  Mon May 12 17:20:25 2008
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Mon May 12 17:20:52 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] May 2008 Meeting & Topic
In-Reply-To: <95D968AC-6412-43AE-B890-347A358A738D@gmail.com>
References: <B2DD815E-ACC6-41AD-8AC9-5D1E67BA34FA@imaginarytower.org>
	<95D968AC-6412-43AE-B890-347A358A738D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8732F428-F1AE-4F22-8A0C-878A8CDC6ED4@mchsi.com>

Is there anyone who would be able to give a presentation on Apple's   
Mail.app and transferring to it from other programs such as Eudora?  
Also how to integrate SpamSieve into the mix.

On May 12, 2008, at May 12, 20084:10 PM, CW Smith wrote:

>> OK, so the next meeting is on 05/20/2008 (4th tuesday) right?  Not  
>> 05/27/2008 as I currently have posted.
>
> No, you were right before: the 4th Tuesday is the 27th (6, 13, 20,  
> 27).
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From vlh at herringlaw.com  Mon May 12 18:32:20 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Mon May 12 18:32:51 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] May 2008 Meeting & Topic
In-Reply-To: <8732F428-F1AE-4F22-8A0C-878A8CDC6ED4@mchsi.com>
References: <B2DD815E-ACC6-41AD-8AC9-5D1E67BA34FA@imaginarytower.org>
	<95D968AC-6412-43AE-B890-347A358A738D@gmail.com>
	<8732F428-F1AE-4F22-8A0C-878A8CDC6ED4@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <p0624085fc44e83d95ed0@[192.168.2.2]>

Great topic = I can't promise to do it tho because I haven't yet 
given up Eudora and probably won't = SpamSieve is a good topic but 
not to fill all the time...if I can attend I'll chime in, but don't 
have lots of knowledge
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From vlh at herringlaw.com  Wed May 14 09:39:54 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Wed May 14 09:40:32 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] new Scanner...
Message-ID: <p062408c9c450a9bb3eaa@[192.168.2.2]>

I was sent a gift from my sister, a Pentax DSMobile 600 scanner 
which, on looking at the website, needs driver download from Pentax 
but then apparently may or may not work with software I have or use ==
   14.


Some examples of how the DSmobile 600 will interact with MAC software 
applications:

The DSmobile 600 scanner should work as an input device with any 
TWAIN-enabled software on the Macintosh.  TWAIN is a standardized 
interface between scanners and application software that is built 
into most graphical application software.  Below are two examples of 
the use of the scanner with MAC applications software that have TWAIN 
built in.  You will have to download the DSmobile 600 driver software 
from the Pentax web site and then check your own software suite to 
see if the DS600 scanner works with your specific application.

I guess I'm not inclined to keep it and use it...mainly because one 
is Photoshop CS2 which I don't have and the other they talk about is 
MSWord which I don't like to use.

Am I right [I can return it and get the Fujitsu, which I know works] 
to be 'suspicious' of this -- i'm sure it'll work but it seems alot 
of hoops to jump thru.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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From thorgrim at imaginarytower.org  Wed May 14 09:52:06 2008
From: thorgrim at imaginarytower.org (David McLaughlin)
Date: Wed May 14 09:52:31 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] new Scanner...
In-Reply-To: <p062408c9c450a9bb3eaa@[192.168.2.2]>
References: <p062408c9c450a9bb3eaa@[192.168.2.2]>
Message-ID: <D4243D1E-EDDC-4732-BB68-22073B5897D4@imaginarytower.org>

> Some examples of how the DSmobile 600 will interact with MAC  
> software applications:

You might try VueScan.

http://www.hamrick.com/vsm.html

They have a free demo.  It appears to be a little pricier than I  
remember it being but I know it works well.

David D. McLaughlin
webmaster@dmmug.org
From thorgrim at imaginarytower.org  Wed May 14 09:53:55 2008
From: thorgrim at imaginarytower.org (David McLaughlin)
Date: Wed May 14 09:54:20 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] May 2008 Meeting & Topic
In-Reply-To: <8732F428-F1AE-4F22-8A0C-878A8CDC6ED4@mchsi.com>
References: <B2DD815E-ACC6-41AD-8AC9-5D1E67BA34FA@imaginarytower.org>
	<95D968AC-6412-43AE-B890-347A358A738D@gmail.com>
	<8732F428-F1AE-4F22-8A0C-878A8CDC6ED4@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <A79F3172-3C5F-4D7E-A243-F7718560A20A@imaginarytower.org>

> Is there anyone who would be able to give a presentation on Apple's   
> Mail.app and transferring to it from other programs such as Eudora?  
> Also how to integrate SpamSieve into the mix.

I would be willing to give a short talk about SpamSieve sometime but I  
will most likely not be at the May 2008 meeting.

David D. McLaughlin
webmaster@dmmug.org
From vlh at herringlaw.com  Wed May 14 10:01:12 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Wed May 14 10:04:03 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] new Scanner...
In-Reply-To: <D4243D1E-EDDC-4732-BB68-22073B5897D4@imaginarytower.org>
References: <p062408c9c450a9bb3eaa@[192.168.2.2]>
	<D4243D1E-EDDC-4732-BB68-22073B5897D4@imaginarytower.org>
Message-ID: <p062408d5c450aef277ad@[192.168.2.2]>

Dave, I shouldn't have to buy software to make a machine work = the 
driver is free and downloadable.  The issue is whether that's all I 
need or do I have to ALSO have some other software to use with 
whatever comes into and out of the scanner = the ScanSnap comes with 
Adobe Acrobat and works great with that...and other software I 
have....
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From thorgrim at imaginarytower.org  Wed May 14 11:03:24 2008
From: thorgrim at imaginarytower.org (David McLaughlin)
Date: Wed May 14 11:03:52 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] new Scanner...
In-Reply-To: <p062408d5c450aef277ad@[192.168.2.2]>
References: <p062408c9c450a9bb3eaa@[192.168.2.2]>
	<D4243D1E-EDDC-4732-BB68-22073B5897D4@imaginarytower.org>
	<p062408d5c450aef277ad@[192.168.2.2]>
Message-ID: <82CF621A-852F-4874-89A4-634E2D2514CD@imaginarytower.org>

> I shouldn't have to buy software to make a machine work

I agree completely but I haven't seen any real GOOD scanner drivers yet.

David D. McLaughlin
webmaster@dmmug.org
From vlh at herringlaw.com  Wed May 14 13:39:50 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Wed May 14 13:40:20 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Keynote = slowing slides for viewing
Message-ID: <p0624080dc450e21172cc@[192.168.2.2]>

I am putting together a presentation and while some slides are on 
screen long enough because I have parts moving in slowly and causing 
that = when I have a slide with a single image it rushes in and ends 
fast...how do I getit to just stay put and display for around 5 or so 
seconds without making that affect all the other slides?  I tried to 
use the Inspector for the document but  it appears to do it for all 
slides and I want to do it for only one here and htere.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From donald.patridge at gmail.com  Wed May 14 20:35:45 2008
From: donald.patridge at gmail.com (Don Patridge)
Date: Wed May 14 20:36:15 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] new Scanner...
In-Reply-To: <82CF621A-852F-4874-89A4-634E2D2514CD@imaginarytower.org>
References: <p062408c9c450a9bb3eaa@[192.168.2.2]>
	<D4243D1E-EDDC-4732-BB68-22073B5897D4@imaginarytower.org>
	<p062408d5c450aef277ad@[192.168.2.2]>
	<82CF621A-852F-4874-89A4-634E2D2514CD@imaginarytower.org>
Message-ID: <b5c6043f130b2fd5d04f2807c5ed3e6f@gmail.com>

We have a number of people that are using VueScan and find it very 
helpful. It even does a fair job OCR work on documents. Support has 
been great for them.

On May 14, 2008, at 11:03 AM, David McLaughlin wrote:

>> I shouldn't have to buy software to make a machine work
>
> I agree completely but I haven't seen any real GOOD scanner drivers 
> yet.
>
> David D. McLaughlin
> webmaster@dmmug.org
>
Don Patridge - QCMUG President
QCMUG President email - qcmugpresident@gmail.com
QCMUG website : http://www.qcmug.org
QCMUG listserve: qcmug@googlegroups.com
QCMUG Bulletin Board: http://compevoqc.com/forum/

From vlh at herringlaw.com  Wed May 14 20:48:18 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Wed May 14 20:48:55 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] new Scanner...
In-Reply-To: <b5c6043f130b2fd5d04f2807c5ed3e6f@gmail.com>
References: <p062408c9c450a9bb3eaa@[192.168.2.2]>
	<D4243D1E-EDDC-4732-BB68-22073B5897D4@imaginarytower.org>
	<p062408d5c450aef277ad@[192.168.2.2]>
	<82CF621A-852F-4874-89A4-634E2D2514CD@imaginarytower.org>
	<b5c6043f130b2fd5d04f2807c5ed3e6f@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p0624081cc451460be12b@[192.168.2.2]>

Okay, I need to explain something.  I know about Hamrick's VueScan, 
and have for years and years, and it's a great bit of software but 
again, why get software if I don't have to?  I have a ScanSnap from 
Fujitsu which works great with its own software but it's not the 
mobile kind.

I have been given this Pentax mobile scanner as a gift.  I can return 
it.  I can return it and get a mobile ScanSnap and be a happy camper 
== the Q is whether I am missing somethign when I read what Pentax 
says on its site ref. needing to have software that can work with the 
scans etc....I do not choose to get VueScan as a driver == Pentax has 
its own driver but it's talking on the website as if it is not all 
that is needed to run the thing == and I'm not willing to test it and 
make it impossible to return...

I'll just return it and use the credit for the Fujitsu, as I know 
what it can do.  Thanks.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From thorgrim at imaginarytower.org  Wed May 14 22:02:25 2008
From: thorgrim at imaginarytower.org (David McLaughlin)
Date: Wed May 14 22:02:53 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] new Scanner...
In-Reply-To: <p0624081cc451460be12b@[192.168.2.2]>
References: <p062408c9c450a9bb3eaa@[192.168.2.2]>
	<D4243D1E-EDDC-4732-BB68-22073B5897D4@imaginarytower.org>
	<p062408d5c450aef277ad@[192.168.2.2]>
	<82CF621A-852F-4874-89A4-634E2D2514CD@imaginarytower.org>
	<b5c6043f130b2fd5d04f2807c5ed3e6f@gmail.com>
	<p0624081cc451460be12b@[192.168.2.2]>
Message-ID: <59A558EF-868F-4836-A302-2D78DAE58BA7@imaginarytower.org>

> Pentax has its own driver but it's talking on the website as if it  
> is not all that is needed to run the thing

On their site is the line

 >>	Start your TWAIN-compliant application software.

The software you are using to talk to the scanner MUST support  
TWAIN.   Which is an open standard used to talk to imaging hardware.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWAIN

The Apple article

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=304740

implies that if your scanner does NOT come with "scanning" software,  
you can use Apple's Image Capture application to do it, after you have  
the TWAIN drive installed.

David D. McLaughlin
webmaster@dmmug.org
From vlh at herringlaw.com  Wed May 14 22:06:17 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Wed May 14 22:16:58 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] new Scanner...
In-Reply-To: <59A558EF-868F-4836-A302-2D78DAE58BA7@imaginarytower.org>
References: <p062408c9c450a9bb3eaa@[192.168.2.2]>
	<D4243D1E-EDDC-4732-BB68-22073B5897D4@imaginarytower.org>
	<p062408d5c450aef277ad@[192.168.2.2]>
	<82CF621A-852F-4874-89A4-634E2D2514CD@imaginarytower.org>
	<b5c6043f130b2fd5d04f2807c5ed3e6f@gmail.com>
	<p0624081cc451460be12b@[192.168.2.2]>
	<59A558EF-868F-4836-A302-2D78DAE58BA7@imaginarytower.org>
Message-ID: <p0624081ec451590252f6@[192.168.2.2]>

Thanks, I'll read these == I don't understand the Twain thing, but 
then, never the twain shall meet, right?

>>Pentax has its own driver but it's talking on the website as if it 
>>is not all that is needed to run the thing
>
>On their site is the line
>
>>>	Start your TWAIN-compliant application software.
>
>The software you are using to talk to the scanner MUST support 
>TWAIN.   Which is an open standard used to talk to imaging hardware.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWAIN
>
>The Apple article
>
>http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=304740
>
>implies that if your scanner does NOT come with "scanning" software, 
>you can use Apple's Image Capture application to do it, after you 
>have the TWAIN drive installed.

-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From dmmug at arnequanbeck.com  Wed May 14 23:08:38 2008
From: dmmug at arnequanbeck.com (Arne Quanbeck)
Date: Wed May 14 23:09:03 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] new Scanner...
In-Reply-To: <p0624081ec451590252f6@[192.168.2.2]>
References: <p062408c9c450a9bb3eaa@[192.168.2.2]>
	<D4243D1E-EDDC-4732-BB68-22073B5897D4@imaginarytower.org>
	<p062408d5c450aef277ad@[192.168.2.2]>
	<82CF621A-852F-4874-89A4-634E2D2514CD@imaginarytower.org>
	<b5c6043f130b2fd5d04f2807c5ed3e6f@gmail.com>
	<p0624081cc451460be12b@[192.168.2.2]>
	<59A558EF-868F-4836-A302-2D78DAE58BA7@imaginarytower.org>
	<p0624081ec451590252f6@[192.168.2.2]>
Message-ID: <424232B6-4625-449C-A21F-DF63FEE63A11@arnequanbeck.com>

Don't worry about TWAIN. It's the standard interface for scanners on  
both the Mac and the Dark Side. I would be worried if a scanner DIDN'T  
support TWAIN.

If you have no program that supports TWAIN, you can always download  
the Mac OS X port of The Gimp, a free Photoshop clone.
http://darwingimp.sourceforge.net/download.html

Image Capture also appears to support TWAIN.

On May 14, 2008, at 10:06 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> Thanks, I'll read these == I don't understand the Twain thing, but  
> then, never the twain shall meet, right?
>
>>> Pentax has its own driver but it's talking on the website as if it  
>>> is not all that is needed to run the thing
>>
>> On their site is the line
>>
>>>> 	Start your TWAIN-compliant application software.
>>
>> The software you are using to talk to the scanner MUST support  
>> TWAIN.   Which is an open standard used to talk to imaging hardware.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWAIN
>>
>> The Apple article
>>
>> http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=304740
>>
>> implies that if your scanner does NOT come with "scanning"  
>> software, you can use Apple's Image Capture application to do it,  
>> after you have the TWAIN drive installed.
>
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights,  
> Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph.  
> 515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Thu May 15 14:13:52 2008
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Thu May 15 14:14:20 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] (no subject)
Message-ID: <404B619B-9D86-46DB-A0AE-630F7C6D248F@mchsi.com>

My wife's iBook has loose hinges so it is difficult to keep the  
screen where she needs it to be. My memory is that this is very  
expensive to fix. Am I correct?

TIA.


Ray Bowler

rbowler.home.mchsi.com



From cwsmith7 at gmail.com  Thu May 15 14:44:47 2008
From: cwsmith7 at gmail.com (CW Smith)
Date: Thu May 15 14:45:19 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <404B619B-9D86-46DB-A0AE-630F7C6D248F@mchsi.com>
References: <404B619B-9D86-46DB-A0AE-630F7C6D248F@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <B44C55D5-99C3-4F90-B19D-431C55CD4BB4@gmail.com>

This is likely due to a worn-out clutch assembly. The part isn't so  
expensive, but the machine pretty much needs to be gutted for the  
repair, so the labor is the killer here.

Peace,
CW


On May 15, 2008, at 2:13 PM, Ray Bowler wrote:

> My wife's iBook has loose hinges so it is difficult to keep the  
> screen where she needs it to be. My memory is that this is very  
> expensive to fix. Am I correct?
>
> TIA.
>
>
> Ray Bowler
>
> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>
>
>
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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Thu May 15 17:51:55 2008
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Thu May 15 17:52:20 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <B44C55D5-99C3-4F90-B19D-431C55CD4BB4@gmail.com>
References: <404B619B-9D86-46DB-A0AE-630F7C6D248F@mchsi.com>
	<B44C55D5-99C3-4F90-B19D-431C55CD4BB4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DE9DAD36-2CEB-48AD-85CE-CB1A515DEE4D@mchsi.com>

Sounds like $250 or $300- right?

On May 15, 2008, at May 15, 20082:44 PM, CW Smith wrote:

> This is likely due to a worn-out clutch assembly. The part isn't so  
> expensive, but the machine pretty much needs to be gutted for the  
> repair, so the labor is the killer here.
>
> Peace,
> CW
>
>
> On May 15, 2008, at 2:13 PM, Ray Bowler wrote:
>
>> My wife's iBook has loose hinges so it is difficult to keep the  
>> screen where she needs it to be. My memory is that this is very  
>> expensive to fix. Am I correct?
>>
>> TIA.
>>
>>
>> Ray Bowler
>>
>> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>>
>>
>>
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From cwsmith7 at gmail.com  Thu May 15 18:12:15 2008
From: cwsmith7 at gmail.com (CW Smith)
Date: Thu May 15 18:12:48 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <DE9DAD36-2CEB-48AD-85CE-CB1A515DEE4D@mchsi.com>
References: <404B619B-9D86-46DB-A0AE-630F7C6D248F@mchsi.com>
	<B44C55D5-99C3-4F90-B19D-431C55CD4BB4@gmail.com>
	<DE9DAD36-2CEB-48AD-85CE-CB1A515DEE4D@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <AAE19922-FD44-4E03-896E-336B04D6FB5A@gmail.com>

Yeah, it's probably a 2-3 hour job (250-375 labor), and a 40ish part,  
depending on *precisely* which iBook you've got.

On May 15, 2008, at 5:51 PM, Ray Bowler wrote:

> Sounds like $250 or $300- right?
>
> On May 15, 2008, at May 15, 20082:44 PM, CW Smith wrote:
>
>> This is likely due to a worn-out clutch assembly. The part isn't so  
>> expensive, but the machine pretty much needs to be gutted for the  
>> repair, so the labor is the killer here.
>>
>> Peace,
>> CW
>>
>>
>> On May 15, 2008, at 2:13 PM, Ray Bowler wrote:
>>
>>> My wife's iBook has loose hinges so it is difficult to keep the  
>>> screen where she needs it to be. My memory is that this is very  
>>> expensive to fix. Am I correct?
>>>
>>> TIA.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ray Bowler
>>>
>>> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>
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>
>
>
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From vlh at herringlaw.com  Thu May 15 19:43:53 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu May 15 19:45:32 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] making a 10 minute music piece from 3 mp3 or mp4s
In-Reply-To: <p06240823c447ceef6b7e@[192.168.2.2]>
References: <p06240804c44424436cf2@[192.168.2.2]>
	<118585C5-024D-4736-9D6C-694825A01B84@mac.com>
	<p0624084fc4455c037d6a@[192.168.2.2]>
	<p06240823c447ceef6b7e@[192.168.2.2]>
Message-ID: <p06240801c45288e8eeb8@[192.168.2.2]>

Well, I was able to use Garage Band to piece together 3 songs just 
fine = I did take that ACC DRM song and play it over my comptuer 
iTunes and picked it up by TuneTalk by Belkin = for the most part it 
sounds okay but it seems [esp. in soft parts] as if there is a little 
stream running in the background - not there on the original song.  I 
assume [without knowing how] that this is something GB can fix, this 
and some pops I also hear....

thanks
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From vlh at herringlaw.com  Thu May 15 19:45:03 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu May 15 19:45:34 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Keynote = slowing slides for viewing
In-Reply-To: <p0624080dc450e21172cc@[192.168.2.2]>
References: <p0624080dc450e21172cc@[192.168.2.2]>
Message-ID: <p06240802c4528951075b@[192.168.2.2]>

>I am putting together a presentation and while some slides are on 
>screen long enough because I have parts moving in slowly and causing 
>that = when I have a slide with a single image it rushes in and ends 
>fast...how do I getit to just stay put and display for around 5 or 
>so seconds without making that affect all the other slides?  I tried 
>to use the Inspector for the document but  it appears to do it for 
>all slides and I want to do it for only one here and htere.

I have to get this done tonight!  How does one have a picture go to a 
slide and sit there, not run out???  I can do a slow build in but 
then it just leaves and we're onto the next slide...what I want to do 
is have the image up on screen for 4-5 sec.  How is that done?
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From sthiessen at passitonservices.org  Thu May 15 20:21:20 2008
From: sthiessen at passitonservices.org (=?utf-8?B?U3R1YXJ0IFRoaWVzc2Vu?=)
Date: Thu May 15 20:21:46 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Keynote = slowing slides for viewing
In-Reply-To: <p06240802c4528951075b@[192.168.2.2]>
References: <p0624080dc450e21172cc@[192.168.2.2]><p06240802c4528951075b@[192.168.2.2]>
Message-ID: <1079986250-1210900880-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-982685033-@bxe029.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Here are some options. Hope they help.

Go to Inspector.

If u mean slide transitions, pick the button that looks like a slide. Change Start Transition to be automatically and delay for # of seconds u want.

If u mean build transitions, pick the button that looks like a diamond. Select the element you want to go out on, select a transition, and then select "More options" on the bottom. Select "Start Build" and Change it to automatically after Build __. Then set the delay.

Thanks,

Stuart Thiessen
--------------------
Stuart Thiessen
Voice: 800-919-8853
SVP-Work: 515-278-6382
Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless device

-----Original Message-----
From: "Victoria L. Herring" <vlh@herringlaw.com>

Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 19:45:03 
To:Des Moines Mac Users Group <dmmug@dmmug.org>
Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Keynote = slowing slides for viewing


>I am putting together a presentation and while some slides are on 
>screen long enough because I have parts moving in slowly and causing 
>that = when I have a slide with a single image it rushes in and ends 
>fast...how do I getit to just stay put and display for around 5 or 
>so seconds without making that affect all the other slides?  I tried 
>to use the Inspector for the document but  it appears to do it for 
>all slides and I want to do it for only one here and htere.

I have to get this done tonight!  How does one have a picture go to a 
slide and sit there, not run out???  I can do a slow build in but 
then it just leaves and we're onto the next slide...what I want to do 
is have the image up on screen for 4-5 sec.  How is that done?
-- 
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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Thu May 15 20:26:59 2008
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Thu May 15 20:27:24 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <AAE19922-FD44-4E03-896E-336B04D6FB5A@gmail.com>
References: <404B619B-9D86-46DB-A0AE-630F7C6D248F@mchsi.com>
	<B44C55D5-99C3-4F90-B19D-431C55CD4BB4@gmail.com>
	<DE9DAD36-2CEB-48AD-85CE-CB1A515DEE4D@mchsi.com>
	<AAE19922-FD44-4E03-896E-336B04D6FB5A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C1673BC6-884F-4E14-AF5D-7D12DF5F8E37@mchsi.com>

Thanks.


On May 15, 2008, at May 15, 20086:12 PM, CW Smith wrote:

> Yeah, it's probably a 2-3 hour job (250-375 labor), and a 40ish  
> part, depending on *precisely* which iBook you've got.
>
> On May 15, 2008, at 5:51 PM, Ray Bowler wrote:
>
>> Sounds like $250 or $300- right?
>>
>> On May 15, 2008, at May 15, 20082:44 PM, CW Smith wrote:
>>
>>> This is likely due to a worn-out clutch assembly. The part isn't  
>>> so expensive, but the machine pretty much needs to be gutted for  
>>> the repair, so the labor is the killer here.
>>>
>>> Peace,
>>> CW
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 15, 2008, at 2:13 PM, Ray Bowler wrote:
>>>
>>>> My wife's iBook has loose hinges so it is difficult to keep the  
>>>> screen where she needs it to be. My memory is that this is very  
>>>> expensive to fix. Am I correct?
>>>>
>>>> TIA.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ray Bowler
>>>>
>>>> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From vlh at herringlaw.com  Thu May 15 20:33:40 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu May 15 20:34:10 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Keynote = slowing slides for viewing
In-Reply-To: <1079986250-1210900880-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-982685033-
	@bxe029.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <p0624080dc450e21172cc@[192.168.2.2]><p06240802c4528951075b@[192.168.2.2]>
	<1079986250-1210900880-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-982685033-
	@bxe029.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <p06240806c45294b0b186@[192.168.2.2]>

>Here are some options. Hope they help.
>
>Go to Inspector.
>
>If u mean slide transitions, pick the button that looks like a 
>slide. Change Start Transition to be automatically and delay for # 
>of seconds u want.
>
>If u mean build transitions, pick the button that looks like a 
>diamond. Select the element you want to go out on, select a 
>transition, and then select "More options" on the bottom. Select 
>"Start Build" and Change it to automatically after Build __. Then 
>set the delay.
>
>Thanks,

That is a big help Stuart = so for each slide if I want image X to be 
on screen for awhile I set it for auto start transition and delay 4-5 
sec or whatever...I have been doing build transitions fine but hadn't 
figured out how to do static ones...I'll see how that goes
-- 
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Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
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From vlh at herringlaw.com  Sat May 17 00:02:19 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sat May 17 00:10:23 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Keynote and music
Message-ID: <p06240824c454170f3efc@[192.168.2.2]>

I did a Keynote presentation which is great but for some reason the 
music I appended to it earlier [8min] won't unappend despite my 
selecting other music [a bit longer] to go with it = how can I keep 
the Keynote images etc. transitions etc and still change the music???
-- 
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Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From rbowler at mchsi.com  Mon May 19 22:40:25 2008
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Mon May 19 22:40:50 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Tuesdays meeting. 
Message-ID: <DC4353CD-FD58-4424-97E8-481DA9DD9337@mchsi.com>

Sorry to be late with this but there will be a demo of Graphic  
Converter, a graphics program with a lot of abilities.It is  
especially useful when you have problems with images or want to do  
things that Photo Shop will not handle. We'll look at a few of those  
tomorrow night.

See you at 7 at Haddock's.

Ray Bowler

rbowler.home.mchsi.com



From cwsmith7 at gmail.com  Mon May 19 22:47:52 2008
From: cwsmith7 at gmail.com (CW Smith)
Date: Mon May 19 22:48:18 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Tuesdays meeting. 
In-Reply-To: <DC4353CD-FD58-4424-97E8-481DA9DD9337@mchsi.com>
References: <DC4353CD-FD58-4424-97E8-481DA9DD9337@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <EC0B9166-DBA0-4C2E-8A0F-6F4E53508CF6@gmail.com>

Meeting is on the 27th (4th Tuesday), though?

Peace,
CW


On May 19, 2008, at 10:40 PM, Ray Bowler wrote:

> Sorry to be late with this but there will be a demo of Graphic  
> Converter, a graphics program with a lot of abilities.It is  
> especially useful when you have problems with images or want to do  
> things that Photo Shop will not handle. We'll look at a few of those  
> tomorrow night.
>
> See you at 7 at Haddock's.
>
> Ray Bowler
>
> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>
>
>
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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Mon May 19 23:23:35 2008
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Mon May 19 23:23:58 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Tuesdays meeting the 27th. 
In-Reply-To: <EC0B9166-DBA0-4C2E-8A0F-6F4E53508CF6@gmail.com>
References: <DC4353CD-FD58-4424-97E8-481DA9DD9337@mchsi.com>
	<EC0B9166-DBA0-4C2E-8A0F-6F4E53508CF6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E6D68399-D0A3-43E1-B806-D0674CE8A101@mchsi.com>

Right. See you then.

On May 19, 2008, at May 19, 200810:47 PM, CW Smith wrote:

> Meeting is on the 27th (4th Tuesday), though?
>
> Peace,
> CW
>
>
> On May 19, 2008, at 10:40 PM, Ray Bowler wrote:
>
>> Sorry to be late with this but there will be a demo of Graphic  
>> Converter, a graphics program with a lot of abilities.It is  
>> especially useful when you have problems with images or want to do  
>> things that Photo Shop will not handle. We'll look at a few of  
>> those tomorrow night.
>>
>> See you at 7 at Haddock's.
>>
>> Ray Bowler
>>
>> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>>
>>
>>
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From thorgrim at imaginarytower.org  Tue May 20 10:18:13 2008
From: thorgrim at imaginarytower.org (David McLaughlin)
Date: Tue May 20 10:18:38 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] iPhone/iTouch bug
Message-ID: <A6CAD56B-865E-4EE7-B9F8-15355A1B5C33@imaginarytower.org>

At

http://www.macintouch.com/

  they are talking about a web browser based crash that causes  
problems with both the iPhone & iTouch running version 1.1.3 of the OS.

See

  http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1/487607/30/0/threaded

for details.  Basically, a specially crafted web page can crash the  
devices.

Disabling Java in the browser settings will "fix" the problem until  
Apple releases a patch.

David D. McLaughlin
webmaster@dmmug.org
From vlh at herringlaw.com  Fri May 23 13:25:52 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Fri May 23 13:33:19 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Take Control ebooks for review :  GarageBand
Message-ID: <p0624080fc45cbc162e99@[192.168.2.2]>

 From the folks at TakeControl =

Those of you with musically inclined members will be interested in
checking out our latest releases - a pair of ebooks that cover
GarageBand '08. These books are meant for folks who've always wanted
to try GarageBand but didn't know where to start, but they also have
lots of advice that more advanced GarageBand users and musicians will
appreciate.

if anyone wants to take this on, the expectation is to take these 
ebooks and read and review them and the review would go back on our 
Website [with promotion of course to TakeControl]

Whoever wants to do this, contact me for the downloads....if you want 
to go ahead and buy the ebooks


Unleash Your Inner Musician with Two New Books about GarageBand '08

These books are based on previous editions of books about GarageBand
but have been completely updated to cover all the latest GarageBand
features - Visual EQ, Magic GarageBand, tempo automation, the arrange
track, and more. Each costs $10 individually (or $9 after the MUG
discount using the book-specific URLs below) or you can purchase them
together for only $17.50 with this link. Whether you're just getting
started with GarageBand or are an old pro looking to get the most out
of the program, these titles have the help you need.

<https://secure.esellerate.net/secure/prefill.aspx?s=STR5625274989&cmd=BUY&_cartitem0.skurefnum=SKU43643959258&_cartitem1.skurefnum=SKU96334121026&_Shopper.CouponName=CPN006480522BUN&_eSellerate.Options=prevalidatecoupon&pt=TRK-0064-TCMUG>

In "Take Control of Making Music with GarageBand '08," Seattle
musician Jeff Tolbert's step-by-step instructions guide beginning and
intermediate users through using GarageBand's built-in loops to
create three songs, explaining not only how to use GarageBand's
editing and mixing features but also how to be playful and creative
while composing tunes that please the ear. In this 110-page title,
you'll learn how to plan a song, get the most out of Magic
GarageBand, edit loops using both graphical and notation view, create
exciting mixes, and export your masterpieces as songs or iPhone
ringtones. The book also covers how to change track volume, tempo,
and panning dynamically, and how to work with GarageBand's effects.
Linked-in audio lets you listen to examples while you read about
them. Bonus! The book includes seven suggestions for solving
performance problems and a five-page glossary of music-related terms.

<http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/garageband-music.html?14@@!pt=TRK-0064-TCMUG&cp=CPN31208MUG>

Want to record your own music? In "Take Control of Recording with
GarageBand '08," Tolbert shares his GarageBand know-how and years of
recording experience to help you get the most out of your existing
gear or purchase new equipment that fits your budget and style.
You'll find real-world recording studio techniques, learn tips for
using a microphone, and discover how to apply effects like a pro.
Clear steps and practical advice help you plan a recording session,
record multiple tracks at once, and fix mistakes easily. Two example
songs demonstrate many of the techniques discussed, and you can
follow along with audio examples as you read.

<http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/garageband-recording.html?14@@!pt=TRK-0065-TCMUG&cp=CPN31208MUG>


--------------------
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Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From vlh at herringlaw.com  Sat May 24 12:39:51 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sat May 24 21:40:31 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] odd console message
Message-ID: <p06240806c45e02419aaa@[192.168.2.2]>

My MacPro apparently turned itself off over night == don't know if 
there was a power outage [have an APC battery thing] but it was off 
this AM when I came down = I checked and there was no TimeMachine 
backup from 3am until this AM when I started up the computer again. 
I'm in the Console log looking at what is there in the hope of 
figuring what is going on but see nothingn = just the last TM backup 
at 3:31am and the startup at 8:27am

What can I look for to get a sense of what may have happened -=- all 
seems fine, I just like to know.

-- 
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Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From maccelerate at earthlink.net  Sat May 24 22:03:44 2008
From: maccelerate at earthlink.net (Matt W)
Date: Sat May 24 22:04:08 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] odd console message
Message-ID: <23743535.1211684624462.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Do a find in the console for "shutdown." Any recent software or security updates?

Matthew

-----Original Message-----
>From: "Victoria L. Herring" <vlh@herringlaw.com>
>Sent: May 24, 2008 12:39 PM
>To: MUG Des Moines <dmmug@dmmug.org>
>Subject: [DM-MUG] odd console message
>
>My MacPro apparently turned itself off over night == don't know if 
>there was a power outage [have an APC battery thing] but it was off 
>this AM when I came down = I checked and there was no TimeMachine 
>backup from 3am until this AM when I started up the computer again. 
>I'm in the Console log looking at what is there in the hope of 
>figuring what is going on but see nothingn = just the last TM backup 
>at 3:31am and the startup at 8:27am
>
>What can I look for to get a sense of what may have happened -=- all 
>seems fine, I just like to know.
>
>-- 
>Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
>Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
>515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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From ka_klick at mac.com  Sun May 25 00:10:33 2008
From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker)
Date: Sun May 25 00:17:14 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] odd console message
In-Reply-To: <p06240806c45e02419aaa@[192.168.2.2]>
References: <p06240806c45e02419aaa@[192.168.2.2]>
Message-ID: <0D6F3996-8FC8-4315-A91B-24E18E941DA1@mac.com>

there was a pretty big T-storm moving through right around 3.

On May 24, 2008, at 12:39 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
> My MacPro apparently turned itself off over night == don't know if  
> there was a power outage [have an APC battery thing] but it was off  
> this AM when I came down = I checked and there was no TimeMachine  
> backup from 3am until this AM when I started up the computer again.  
> I'm in the Console log looking at what is there in the hope of  
> figuring what is going on but see nothingn = just the last TM backup  
> at 3:31am and the startup at 8:27am
>
> What can I look for to get a sense of what may have happened -=- all  
> seems fine, I just like to know.
>
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights,  
> Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph.  
> 515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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http://ka-klick.com


From rbowler at mchsi.com  Mon May 26 09:13:18 2008
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Mon May 26 09:13:42 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Tomorrow's meeting--Graphic Converter
Message-ID: <02D144F6-1AA6-4C6D-931F-FCF8130CA43A@mchsi.com>

Tomorrow is the meeting at Haddock Computer and the topic will be  
Graphic Converter. This is a great graphics program to have around  
for images which will not open plus a lot of other features which can  
be helpful. Come and get a brief overview of this great program. We  
will also look at what it does not do.

Ray Bowler

rbowler.home.mchsi.com



From cmsspace at aol.com  Tue May 27 09:34:20 2008
From: cmsspace at aol.com (cmsspace)
Date: Tue May 27 09:34:50 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Used iPods
Message-ID: <0FF7773F.18F3.4003.B336.FB3D9D104D9F@aol.com>

Can anyone tell me any known issues with buying a used iPod (except the fact that it is used and obviously may have a problem)? ?I'm thinking of buying a used iPod off ebay but I'm concerned that it may not be able to be synced up to iTunes on my computer. ?There is a limit on iPods using iTunes. ?Is the idea that you can only have so many iPods synced to a particular iTunes on a particular computer or is there something else to worry about?
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From maccelerate at earthlink.net  Tue May 27 11:34:25 2008
From: maccelerate at earthlink.net (Matt W)
Date: Tue May 27 11:34:49 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Used iPods
Message-ID: <14553972.1211906065597.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

None that I'm aware of. I'm using a Mini 4GB on 10.4.11 and Mac Pro without a problem.

Mw

-----Original Message-----
>From: cmsspace <cmsspace@aol.com>
>Sent: May 27, 2008 9:34 AM
>To: dmmug@dmmug.org
>Subject: [DM-MUG] Used iPods
>
>Can anyone tell me any known issues with buying a used iPod (except the fact that it is used and obviously may have a problem)? ?I'm thinking of buying a used iPod off ebay but I'm concerned that it may not be able to be synced up to iTunes on my computer. ?There is a limit on iPods using iTunes. ?Is the idea that you can only have so many iPods synced to a particular iTunes on a particular computer or is there something else to worry about?

From jon at mac-consultant.com  Tue May 27 11:40:53 2008
From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Tue May 27 11:41:18 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Used iPods
In-Reply-To: <0FF7773F.18F3.4003.B336.FB3D9D104D9F@aol.com>
References: <0FF7773F.18F3.4003.B336.FB3D9D104D9F@aol.com>
Message-ID: <F8154FD0-BEE5-4384-AD0E-465B318160DC@mac-consultant.com>

Once you reset the iPod, there is nothing that links it with a  
particular computer.  Furthermore,  iTunes does not limit the number  
of iPods that can connect to an iTunes account, nor do they limit the  
number of accounts that link to an iPod (that I am aware of.)

Other than the fact that you are buying used equipment from someone  
you don't know, you won't have any issue with the device itself.

-- 
- Jon
On May 27, 2008, at 9:34 AM, cmsspace wrote:

> Can anyone tell me any known issues with buying a used iPod (except  
> the fact that it is used and obviously may have a problem)?  I'm  
> thinking of buying a used iPod off ebay but I'm concerned that it  
> may not be able to be synced up to iTunes on my computer.  There is  
> a limit on iPods using iTunes.  Is the idea that you can only have  
> so many iPods synced to a particular iTunes on a particular computer  
> or is there something else to worry about?
> Stay informed, get connected and more with AOL on your phone.
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From homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net  Tue May 27 11:45:27 2008
From: homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net (Roses Derise)
Date: Tue May 27 11:45:52 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Used iPods
In-Reply-To: <0FF7773F.18F3.4003.B336.FB3D9D104D9F@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C461A4D7.255E%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>

This may be of little importance in making your decision, but just for the
record:

I bought a "refurbished" ipod from apple and it worked great until I lost
it. Too late, I learned that if I had bought a new one Apple will engrave
your name and phone or whatever on it at no charge. HOWEVER, if you get one
and have it engraved, it invalidates the warranty.

Roses


On 5/27/08 9:34 AM, "cmsspace" <cmsspace@aol.com> wrote:

> Can anyone tell me any known issues with buying a used iPod (except the fact
> that it is used and obviously may have a problem)? ?I'm thinking of buying a
> used iPod off ebay but I'm concerned that it may not be able to be synced up
> to iTunes on my computer. ?There is a limit on iPods using iTunes. ?Is the
> idea that you can only have so many iPods synced to a particular iTunes on a
> particular computer or is there something else to worry about?
> 
> Stay informed, get connected and more with AOL on your phone
> <http://mobile.aol.com/productOverview.jsp?productOverview=aol-mobile-overview
> &?ncid=aolmbd00030000000139> .
> 
> 
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From ka_klick at mac.com  Tue May 27 13:03:42 2008
From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker)
Date: Tue May 27 13:04:11 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Used iPods
In-Reply-To: <C461A4D7.255E%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>
References: <C461A4D7.255E%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>
Message-ID: <6E88F9B9-B7D1-4810-8592-1154D081D1E7@mac.com>

The flip side of that is that if an engraved one goes bad, you have to  
wait for an engraved replacement, or take a non-engraved replacement  
and loose the engraving.

My initial 40GB 4G was engraved (my wife got it for my BD that year)  
with my name.

It died, under Applecare/Warranty and I wanted to keep it engraved, so  
had to go through the whole exchange dance. THat one failed similarly  
(there seems to have been a bad batch of those 40GB models) I was  
loathe to go thorough the 3 week ordeal again, so this time I just  
took it to the Apple store and had them exchange it for a plain one  
that is still ticking (even after it being gnawed through it's case by  
our over-eager Labrador) I'm well out of coverage now, but I'm glad I  
finally decided to stop getting it engraved. It's funny you mention  
the warranty since the Apple store said they suggested taking them  
down to "Things Remembered" when this was going on.

Don't know if I'd ever engrave a phone # or address on one - between  
that and the info on the pod it could be a good way to get more stuff  
ripped off. Thief looks at the back, notes name/phone, looks through  
contacts for same name (probably w/ nice "Me" tag) and gets address  
from that, then looks at calendar for appointments, or better yet  
vacation...

Joel's got me thinking paranoid.

fwiw: recording the serial number does about as much good as having  
the back engraved as far as I can see.

My wife's has never gone bad though, so she still has the engraving I  
had done for her.

On May 27, 2008, at 11:45 AM, Roses Derise wrote:
> This may be of little importance in making your decision, but just  
> for the record:
>
> I bought a "refurbished" ipod from apple and it worked great until I  
> lost it. Too late, I learned that if I had bought a new one Apple  
> will engrave your name and phone or whatever on it at no charge.  
> HOWEVER, if you get one and have it engraved, it invalidates the  
> warranty.
>
> Roses
>
>
> On 5/27/08 9:34 AM, "cmsspace" <cmsspace@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Can anyone tell me any known issues with buying a used iPod (except  
>> the fact that it is used and obviously may have a problem)?  I'm  
>> thinking of buying a used iPod off ebay but I'm concerned that it  
>> may not be able to be synced up to iTunes on my computer.  There is  
>> a limit on iPods using iTunes.  Is the idea that you can only have  
>> so many iPods synced to a particular iTunes on a particular  
>> computer or is there something else to worry about?
>> Stay informed, get connected and more with AOL on your phone <http://mobile.aol.com/productOverview.jsp?productOverview=aol-mobile-overview&?ncid=aolmbd00030000000139 
>> > .
>>
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With 2 New CDs!!! See my website for details
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From cmsspace at aol.com  Tue May 27 13:39:09 2008
From: cmsspace at aol.com (cmsspace)
Date: Tue May 27 13:39:40 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Used iPods
In-Reply-To: <6E88F9B9-B7D1-4810-8592-1154D081D1E7@mac.com>
Message-ID: <D0B83913.F4EA.450B.A6EC.E2D317010ACB@aol.com>

Thanks, I had never thought of having it engraved. ?My wife has a 30G video and my daughter has a 4G Nano. ?I'm in 3 different contemporary bands right now and like to listen to a lot of books on audio and music. ?I'm sure that I would use the iPod more than both of them combined (my daughter doesn't like me using hers and my wife takes hers to work). ?I'm the main Mac person in charge of ?getting audio to their iPods so I think it's about time I got one of these little?gadgets?for myself. ?Any other thoughts about used iPods would be appreciated. ?(Why don't I buy a new one? ?Our family's already bought two new ones and I don't mind taking a chance.) ?What I would rather have is an iPod with 32GB non?volatile RAM (not on a harddrive). ?But I am not will to plunk down $400+ on it. ?So, I'll make do with a used 30GB or so iPod.

On May 27, 2008, at 1:03:42 PM, "Bryan Baker" <ka_klick@mac.com> wrote:
From:   "Bryan Baker" <ka_klick@mac.com>
Subject:    Re: [DM-MUG] Used iPods
Date:   May 27, 2008 1:03:42 PM CDT
To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug@dmmug.org>
The flip side of that is that if an engraved one goes bad, you have to?
wait for an engraved replacement, or take a non-engraved replacement?
and loose the engraving.

My initial 40GB 4G was engraved (my wife got it for my BD that year)?
with my name.

It died, under Applecare/Warranty and I wanted to keep it engraved, so?
had to go through the whole exchange dance. THat one failed similarly?
(there seems to have been a bad batch of those 40GB models) I was?
loathe to go thorough the 3 week ordeal again, so this time I just?
took it to the Apple store and had them exchange it for a plain one?
that is still ticking (even after it being gnawed through it's case by?
our over-eager Labrador) I'm well out of coverage now, but I'm glad I?
finally decided to stop getting it engraved. It's funny you mention?
the warranty since the Apple store said they suggested taking them?
down to "Things Remembered" when this was going on.

Don't know if I'd ever engrave a phone # or address on one - between?
that and the info on the pod it could be a good way to get more stuff?
ripped off. Thief looks at the back, notes name/phone, looks through?
contacts for same name (probably w/ nice "Me" tag) and gets address?
from that, then looks at calendar for appointments, or better yet?
vacation...

Joel's got me thinking paranoid.

fwiw: recording the serial number does about as much good as having?
the back engraved as far as I can see.

My wife's has never gone bad though, so she still has the engraving I?
had done for her.

On May 27, 2008, at 11:45 AM, Roses Derise wrote:
> This may be of little importance in making your decision, but just?
> for the record:
>
> I bought a "refurbished" ipod from apple and it worked great until I?
> lost it. Too late, I learned that if I had bought a new one Apple?
> will engrave your name and phone or whatever on it at no charge.?
> HOWEVER, if you get one and have it engraved, it invalidates the?
> warranty.
>
> Roses
>
>
> On 5/27/08 9:34 AM, "cmsspace" <cmsspace@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Can anyone tell me any known issues with buying a used iPod (except?
>> the fact that it is used and obviously may have a problem)? I'm?
>> thinking of buying a used iPod off ebay but I'm concerned that it?
>> may not be able to be synced up to iTunes on my computer. There is?
>> a limit on iPods using iTunes. Is the idea that you can only have?
>> so many iPods synced to a particular iTunes on a particular?
>> computer or is there something else to worry about?
>> Stay informed, get connected and more with AOL on your phone <http://mobile.aol.com/productOverview.jsp?productOverview=aol-mobile-overview&?ncid=aolmbd00030000000139?
>> > .
>>
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From maccelerate at earthlink.net  Tue May 27 14:09:46 2008
From: maccelerate at earthlink.net (Matt W)
Date: Tue May 27 14:10:09 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Used iPods
Message-ID: <31462074.1211915386538.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I bought two used Minis about a year apart because I liked the size and the accessories are dirt cheap now. One had a dead battery, the other developed a click wheel problem (wouldn't Play). I bought a new battery and put it in myself for $20 (took about 45 minutes). When the one with the click-wheel stopped playing, I took them both apart and figured I'd make a single good one with a nice battery. After swapping both parts, I put them together and they both worked, go figure. So, I gave one to my wife and kept the other.

Macresq (now called iresq.com) has an iPod repair program that includes overnight repair for a reasonable price though I have never used their services. I fix my own. Parts can be bought just about everywhere. Two of note: OWC (owcomputing.com), iresq.com, also ebay if you're brave and don't mind the associated potential problems.

Matthew
From vlh at herringlaw.com  Tue May 27 15:13:06 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue May 27 15:14:11 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Used iPods
In-Reply-To: <D0B83913.F4EA.450B.A6EC.E2D317010ACB@aol.com>
References: <D0B83913.F4EA.450B.A6EC.E2D317010ACB@aol.com>
Message-ID: <p06240801c4621bb63565@[192.168.2.2]>

buy 'used' but refurbished from the Apple Store = you'll get the 
warranty coverage and everything just as if new...
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From rbowler at mchsi.com  Tue May 27 22:06:05 2008
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Tue May 27 22:06:28 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] This evenings meeting. 
Message-ID: <2B0A4A8F-1455-4ED4-AFCB-C1791A507B43@mchsi.com>

The May 27th meeting was held a Haddock Computer this evening.

The topic was Graphic Convertor-- a graphics program with a  
reputation of opening many file types--over 200. It will also save in  
80 formats. It can be used to edit the images in a variety of ways.

Two things which were demonstrated were the ease of creating a  
slideshow and the modify and convert batchs of files. The modify and  
convert portion of the program gives the user power to modify image  
names, extensions  and many other characteristics.

The cost for a new license is $34.95 and for an upgrade $19.95. There  
are also options for a five user license in one household.

Check it out at <www.lemkesoft.com>

We also discussed the problem of topics for meetings. We need two  
things in this area-- possible programs and someone to give a program  
of the topic. We are working on s series of meetings about building a  
web page. Would some kind soul who knows what they are doing do a  
program on Photoshop Elements with at least some time being spent on  
layers. It was suggested that we might try a joint meeting wi the  
Digital Arts group on this topic.


Ray Bowler

rbowler.home.mchsi.com



From hfwelch at mac.com  Tue May 27 23:03:25 2008
From: hfwelch at mac.com (Holly Welch)
Date: Tue May 27 23:03:51 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] This evenings meeting.
In-Reply-To: <2B0A4A8F-1455-4ED4-AFCB-C1791A507B43@mchsi.com>
References: <2B0A4A8F-1455-4ED4-AFCB-C1791A507B43@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <166ADC45-0CB1-4F29-A271-D8A1CDAEA53F@mac.com>

I work with layers in Photoshop every day, and would be more than  
glad to do a program on Photoshop Elements.
On May 27, 2008, at 10:06 PM, Ray Bowler wrote:

> The May 27th meeting was held a Haddock Computer this evening.
>
> The topic was Graphic Convertor-- a graphics program with a  
> reputation of opening many file types--over 200. It will also save  
> in 80 formats. It can be used to edit the images in a variety of ways.
>
> Two things which were demonstrated were the ease of creating a  
> slideshow and the modify and convert batchs of files. The modify  
> and convert portion of the program gives the user power to modify  
> image names, extensions  and many other characteristics.
>
> The cost for a new license is $34.95 and for an upgrade $19.95.  
> There are also options for a five user license in one household.
>
> Check it out at <www.lemkesoft.com>
>
> We also discussed the problem of topics for meetings. We need two  
> things in this area-- possible programs and someone to give a  
> program of the topic. We are working on s series of meetings about  
> building a web page. Would some kind soul who knows what they are  
> doing do a program on Photoshop Elements with at least some time  
> being spent on layers. It was suggested that we might try a joint  
> meeting wi the Digital Arts group on this topic.
>
>
> Ray Bowler
>
> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>
>
>
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From vlh at herringlaw.com  Thu May 29 19:50:26 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu May 29 19:50:56 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Q ref Apple TV
Message-ID: <p06240811c464ff5ca4d1@[192.168.2.2]>

I got my husband and myself an Apple TV for our anniversary [well, 
I'm the one who has researched it and wanted it] and want to be sure 
of how to connect it == we have an HDTV TV and a Mediacom DVR...I do 
have the HDMI cable thingie.

So, optimally, how is it hooked up???  my recall is there are 6-7 
input port places but maybe only 1 HDMI...
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From vlh at herringlaw.com  Thu May 29 21:02:01 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu May 29 21:02:36 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] networking Q --
Message-ID: <p06240812c4650fb178a2@[192.168.2.2]>

I have a Belkin N Wireless router which works fine on one end of the 
house but which when I'm at the other end, I can't get enough of a 
signal tho the network is recognized.  So, having an extra Airport 
Express [iTunes Express? - one of those rectangular things] I plugged 
it into the ethernet network and it's up right above where I'm 
sitting and I set it up to bridge the main network from down in my 
office up around the house via ethernet cable to send wifi out on the 
other end of the house.  Well, it will recognize the network and the 
Express does have the green light working, but the laptop still drops 
off the network adn won't hold a connection.

I'm doing this with a MacBook Pro 15"

any suggestions?
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From thorgrim at imaginarytower.org  Fri May 30 11:09:35 2008
From: thorgrim at imaginarytower.org (David McLaughlin)
Date: Fri May 30 11:10:01 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Q ref Apple TV
In-Reply-To: <p06240811c464ff5ca4d1@[192.168.2.2]>
References: <p06240811c464ff5ca4d1@[192.168.2.2]>
Message-ID: <896EC604-531A-427A-BC6A-0B7ADA5840C7@imaginarytower.org>

> So, optimally, how is it hooked up???  my recall is there are 6-7  
> input port places but maybe only 1 HDMI...

It depends on the TV.  The best way is to have all of the video  
signals go directly to the TV.

What model/brand is it?

Dave McLaughlin
From thorgrim at imaginarytower.org  Fri May 30 11:16:12 2008
From: thorgrim at imaginarytower.org (David McLaughlin)
Date: Fri May 30 11:16:37 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] networking Q --
In-Reply-To: <p06240812c4650fb178a2@[192.168.2.2]>
References: <p06240812c4650fb178a2@[192.168.2.2]>
Message-ID: <FFD85268-8DDF-4BF5-9B7F-BB99FE62308C@imaginarytower.org>

> So, having an extra Airport Express [iTunes Express? - one of those  
> rectangular things] I plugged it into the ethernet network and it's  
> up right above where I'm sitting and I set it up to bridge the main  
> network from down in my office up around the house via ethernet  
> cable to send wifi out on the other end of the house.

Networking can get complex.  So you set-up a "new" wireless network  
through the Airport at the new location?  With new network name and  
password?

How is the wired ethernet connected from the Airport Express to the  
rest of your network?

Dave McLaughlin
From vlh at herringlaw.com  Fri May 30 11:48:30 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Fri May 30 11:56:38 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Q ref Apple TV
In-Reply-To: <896EC604-531A-427A-BC6A-0B7ADA5840C7@imaginarytower.org>
References: <p06240811c464ff5ca4d1@[192.168.2.2]>
	<896EC604-531A-427A-BC6A-0B7ADA5840C7@imaginarytower.org>
Message-ID: <p06240802c465e0106afb@[192.168.2.2]>

Sony LCD Projection 50" I think and I just looked in back == the HDMI 
port is open = the DVR is connected to one of the 'channels' via a 
3port cable so it doesn't use the HDMI port == so I gather I just 
plug the HDMI thing into the Apple TV and then the other end to the 
TV???  That should do it???
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From vlh at herringlaw.com  Fri May 30 11:51:59 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Fri May 30 11:56:40 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] networking Q --
In-Reply-To: <FFD85268-8DDF-4BF5-9B7F-BB99FE62308C@imaginarytower.org>
References: <p06240812c4650fb178a2@[192.168.2.2]>
	<FFD85268-8DDF-4BF5-9B7F-BB99FE62308C@imaginarytower.org>
Message-ID: <p06240803c465e0748267@[192.168.2.2]>

it finally came on last nite and I'm going to test it out a bit today 
if it's nice outside - The Belkin router is in my basement office and 
almost everything is run thru it via ethernet [N] and there is an 
ethernet running upstairs to some of the rooms = I have the Express 
plugged into a small hub sharing the connection with the G5 upstairs 
[which was off at the time] - took awhile to set it up = I made the 
Express a bridge participant on the WDS network -- as i said, it 
eventually did fine but there were at times few bars = it dropped off 
when there were few....

I know some accessory makers [eg Belkin and others] make antennas for 
MBPro because their internal antennas don't really work all that 
well....maybe I need to do that?  I want to be able to sit outside or 
at the other end of the house an dget on the network.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From vlh at herringlaw.com  Fri May 30 12:09:30 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Fri May 30 12:17:14 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] odd console message
In-Reply-To: <23743535.1211684624462.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.ne
	t>
References: <23743535.1211684624462.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.ne
	t>
Message-ID: <p06240805c465e5279c65@[192.168.2.2]>

I do think it was the storm...although I do have a UPC that should 
have prevented a shutdown but the battery doesn't run forever and it 
was 3AM...oh well, all is working fine now ...thanks
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From thorgrim at imaginarytower.org  Fri May 30 13:06:11 2008
From: thorgrim at imaginarytower.org (David McLaughlin)
Date: Fri May 30 13:06:39 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Q ref Apple TV
In-Reply-To: <p06240802c465e0106afb@[192.168.2.2]>
References: <p06240811c464ff5ca4d1@[192.168.2.2]>
	<896EC604-531A-427A-BC6A-0B7ADA5840C7@imaginarytower.org>
	<p06240802c465e0106afb@[192.168.2.2]>
Message-ID: <3BEA0772-C6D4-47D8-B918-076D987F45E9@imaginarytower.org>

> 3port cable so it doesn't use the HDMI port == so I gather I just  
> plug the HDMI thing into the Apple TV and then the other end to the  
> TV???  That should do it???

Yes.  The 3 cable video connection is called a"component" video  
connection.

After connecting the Apple TV, you will have to switch between the  
sources (i.e. Apple TV & DVR) using the TV's remote, depending on  
which device you are watching.

Dave McLaughlin
From jon at mac-consultant.com  Fri May 30 13:22:35 2008
From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Fri May 30 13:23:01 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Q ref Apple TV
In-Reply-To: <3BEA0772-C6D4-47D8-B918-076D987F45E9@imaginarytower.org>
References: <p06240811c464ff5ca4d1@[192.168.2.2]>
	<896EC604-531A-427A-BC6A-0B7ADA5840C7@imaginarytower.org>
	<p06240802c465e0106afb@[192.168.2.2]>
	<3BEA0772-C6D4-47D8-B918-076D987F45E9@imaginarytower.org>
Message-ID: <C69C082D-4D44-4B88-A18E-2F12912F807D@mac-consultant.com>

You want it to use HDMI if you have it.  All HDMI TVs are digital  
(although not all digital TVs have HDMI.)

HDMI is entirely digital.  Anything else has an analog component in  
the middle.  I've listed the entire video paths for each connection,  
illustrating the changes in format.  I have omitted a couple steps  
that don't need to be illustrated.

Camera(analog)->Encoder(Digital)->?TV->HDMI->TV->Your Eyes(analog)
Camera(analog)->Encoder(Digital)->?TV->Composite/Component(ANALOG)- 
 >TV(Digital)->Your Eyes(analog)

Putting that analog component in reduces the quality slightly.

3 cable (red, white, and yellow) meaning two audio ports and a video  
is called "composite."  3 cable (red, green, blue)meaning that they  
don't count the audio is called "component."  Component is much better  
than composite.

-- 
- Jon
On May 30, 2008, at 1:06 PM, David McLaughlin wrote:

>> 3port cable so it doesn't use the HDMI port == so I gather I just  
>> plug the HDMI thing into the Apple TV and then the other end to the  
>> TV???  That should do it???
>
> Yes.  The 3 cable video connection is called a"component" video  
> connection.
>
> After connecting the Apple TV, you will have to switch between the  
> sources (i.e. Apple TV & DVR) using the TV's remote, depending on  
> which device you are watching.
>
> Dave McLaughlin
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From vlh at herringlaw.com  Fri May 30 13:33:37 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Fri May 30 13:45:16 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Q ref Apple TV
In-Reply-To: <C69C082D-4D44-4B88-A18E-2F12912F807D@mac-consultant.com>
References: <p06240811c464ff5ca4d1@[192.168.2.2]>
	<896EC604-531A-427A-BC6A-0B7ADA5840C7@imaginarytower.org>
	<p06240802c465e0106afb@[192.168.2.2]>
	<3BEA0772-C6D4-47D8-B918-076D987F45E9@imaginarytower.org>
	<C69C082D-4D44-4B88-A18E-2F12912F807D@mac-consultant.com>
Message-ID: <p0624080bc465f8dd3b0f@[192.168.2.2]>

Thanks to all -- all the answers really helped me understand all this 
plus all those cables!  Now we can enjoy our anniversary, if we can 
find somethign to watch.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From maccelerate at earthlink.net  Sat May 31 01:31:20 2008
From: maccelerate at earthlink.net (Matthew W.)
Date: Sat May 31 01:31:46 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Q ref Apple TV
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I have an analog CRT that has an HDMI input. This is one of those  
grey areas, like with most new technologies, that is not entirely  
straightforward or easily explained. However, it's also a non-issue  
because no major manufacturers are still making CRT's.

Mw

On May 30, 2008, at 1:22 PM, Jon Thompson wrote:

> You want it to use HDMI if you have it.  All HDMI TVs are digital  
> (although not all digital TVs have HDMI.)

