From maccelerate at earthlink.net  Sun Mar  2 16:03:49 2008
From: maccelerate at earthlink.net (Matthew W.)
Date: Sun Mar  2 16:04:20 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Re: [MacLaw] Mail archiving and handling - more
	info from local mug
In-Reply-To: <8C369AE4-7538-4915-963E-7604B6D76565@passitonservices.org>
References: <p06240810c3ed02baa51c@[192.168.2.2]>
	<78BE6993-865F-4B52-A4EE-A46E812DBFF7@mac.com>
	<p0624081bc3edc055153f@[192.168.2.2]>
	<5C2F5A53-0118-1000-ED47-8258ED554206-Webmail-10017@mac.com>
	<8C369AE4-7538-4915-963E-7604B6D76565@passitonservices.org>
Message-ID: <330A2A54-5024-4717-B0D6-2B21F0A0AFEC@earthlink.net>

Look in your User/Library/Mail Downloads and you'll see where your  
attachments are.

Mw

On Feb 29, 2008, at 11:16 AM, Stuart Thiessen wrote:

> 4) If the email is visible but the attachment is not, then how to  
> extract the attachment? Can Mail show me the email without  
> importing it back into Mail?

From sthiessen at passitonservices.org  Sun Mar  2 16:17:25 2008
From: sthiessen at passitonservices.org (Stuart Thiessen)
Date: Sun Mar  2 16:18:38 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Re: [MacLaw] Mail archiving and handling - more
	info from local mug
In-Reply-To: <330A2A54-5024-4717-B0D6-2B21F0A0AFEC@earthlink.net>
References: <p06240810c3ed02baa51c@[192.168.2.2]>
	<78BE6993-865F-4B52-A4EE-A46E812DBFF7@mac.com>
	<p0624081bc3edc055153f@[192.168.2.2]>
	<5C2F5A53-0118-1000-ED47-8258ED554206-Webmail-10017@mac.com>
	<8C369AE4-7538-4915-963E-7604B6D76565@passitonservices.org>
	<330A2A54-5024-4717-B0D6-2B21F0A0AFEC@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <454C052B-7DE8-41B5-B147-BA7914C7130E@passitonservices.org>

Quite right. But my intent is to copy all of the emlx files out of  
their location in ~/Library/Mail and then put them in a Zip or DMG for  
"offline storage". Will the copied emlx file still reference that  
attachment in ~/Library/Mail Downloads? I suspect that if I did a  
manual move of the emlx files and then programmatically told Mail to  
delete the emails, the attachments would also be deleted from that  
folder. So, there would be a need to see if Applescript is smart  
enough to tell me that a specific email has attachments and will let  
me copy the attachments over to the Zip or DMG before the email is  
deleted. I haven't researched that yet. I'm just thinking aloud  
here. :)  Like I said, a rainy day programming project. :)

Thanks,

Stuart

On 2 Mar 2008, at 16:03 , Matthew W. wrote:

> Look in your User/Library/Mail Downloads and you'll see where your  
> attachments are.
>
> Mw
>
> On Feb 29, 2008, at 11:16 AM, Stuart Thiessen wrote:
>
>> 4) If the email is visible but the attachment is not, then how to  
>> extract the attachment? Can Mail show me the email without  
>> importing it back into Mail?
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
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From maccelerate at earthlink.net  Sun Mar  2 16:49:55 2008
From: maccelerate at earthlink.net (Matthew W.)
Date: Sun Mar  2 16:51:15 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Re: [MacLaw] Mail archiving and handling - more
	info from local mug
In-Reply-To: <454C052B-7DE8-41B5-B147-BA7914C7130E@passitonservices.org>
References: <p06240810c3ed02baa51c@[192.168.2.2]>
	<78BE6993-865F-4B52-A4EE-A46E812DBFF7@mac.com>
	<p0624081bc3edc055153f@[192.168.2.2]>
	<5C2F5A53-0118-1000-ED47-8258ED554206-Webmail-10017@mac.com>
	<8C369AE4-7538-4915-963E-7604B6D76565@passitonservices.org>
	<330A2A54-5024-4717-B0D6-2B21F0A0AFEC@earthlink.net>
	<454C052B-7DE8-41B5-B147-BA7914C7130E@passitonservices.org>
Message-ID: <BB99CD62-CFC0-4E82-B368-CFFCBD5EE906@earthlink.net>

The attachments will only be deleted if you choose the option to do  
so from the General prefs pane in Mail. It is called "Remove Unedited  
Downloads" and you have 3 choices in 2.1 (Tiger Mail).

You'll probably find some traction on Google. For example, in less  
than 2 minutes, I found this page which indicates that at least one  
developer has worked with attachment archiving. Search for Archive  
Messages on the page.

<http://homepage.mac.com/aamann/Mail_Scripts.html>

Matthew

On Mar 2, 2008, at 4:17 PM, Stuart Thiessen wrote:

> Quite right. But my intent is to copy all of the emlx files out of  
> their location in ~/Library/Mail and then put them in a Zip or DMG  
> for "offline storage". Will the copied emlx file still reference  
> that attachment in ~/Library/Mail Downloads? I suspect that if I  
> did a manual move of the emlx files and then programmatically told  
> Mail to delete the emails, the attachments would also be deleted  
> from that folder. So, there would be a need to see if Applescript  
> is smart enough to tell me that a specific email has attachments  
> and will let me copy the attachments over to the Zip or DMG before  
> the email is deleted. I haven't researched that yet. I'm just  
> thinking aloud here. :)  Like I said, a rainy day programming  
> project. :)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Stuart
>
> On 2 Mar 2008, at 16:03 , Matthew W. wrote:
>
>> Look in your User/Library/Mail Downloads and you'll see where your  
>> attachments are.
>>
>> Mw
>>
>> On Feb 29, 2008, at 11:16 AM, Stuart Thiessen wrote:
>>
>>> 4) If the email is visible but the attachment is not, then how to  
>>> extract the attachment? Can Mail show me the email without  
>>> importing it back into Mail?
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> DMMUG mailing list
>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>> DMMUG@dmmug.org
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>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>
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From robolaw at aol.com  Tue Mar  4 09:20:19 2008
From: robolaw at aol.com (Michael R. Hoffmann)
Date: Tue Mar  4 09:20:51 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Firewall routers
Message-ID: <06DE73A1-C5BE-4C07-85E3-5E68CE315B2C@aol.com>

As luck would have it my ethernet firewall router died over the weekend.

Finding a well rated replacement is proving difficult.

Does anyone have any recommendations?

I'm looking to replace ASAP & locally.

Thanks.

Mike

From thorgrim at mindspring.com  Tue Mar  4 11:15:54 2008
From: thorgrim at mindspring.com (Thorgrim)
Date: Tue Mar  4 11:16:25 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Firewall routers
In-Reply-To: <06DE73A1-C5BE-4C07-85E3-5E68CE315B2C@aol.com>
References: <06DE73A1-C5BE-4C07-85E3-5E68CE315B2C@aol.com>
Message-ID: <F340BE91-C0F0-4A07-8E36-41DF1261103F@mindspring.com>

> As luck would have it my ethernet firewall router died over the  
> weekend.

I use IPCop running on an old 200 MHz Pentium w/ 64 MB of RAM, 3  
network interfaces and a 1 GB IDE hard drive.


http://ipcop.org/


IPCop is a small secure Linux based Firewall/router system.

It can also handle wireless attached to it on a separate network  
interface.  This allows you to separate your wireless connections  
from your internal wired network for improved security.


http://www.ipcop.org/1.4.0/en/install/html/decide-configuration.html


It is secure.  Easy to set-up.  Easy to update.  Loads of  
configuration options via a web interface.  It just works.  Mine has  
been up 62 days and I had to restart it then due to an update (which  
you can due via it's web interface).

If you want to get fancy, it has plug-ins that can filter mail for  
spam & viri but you would need a faster machine to do this...

David D. McLaughlin
webmaster@dmmug.org
From kristau at gmail.com  Tue Mar  4 22:21:59 2008
From: kristau at gmail.com (kristau)
Date: Tue Mar  4 22:22:26 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Firewall routers
In-Reply-To: <06DE73A1-C5BE-4C07-85E3-5E68CE315B2C@aol.com>
References: <06DE73A1-C5BE-4C07-85E3-5E68CE315B2C@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3effba680803042021j25edaf2ajc2e58d5c06279f6d@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 9:20 AM, Michael R. Hoffmann <robolaw@aol.com> wrote:
> As luck would have it my ethernet firewall router died over the weekend.
>
>  Finding a well rated replacement is proving difficult.
>
>  Does anyone have any recommendations?
>
>  I'm looking to replace ASAP & locally.

For a quick, simple to set up, plug-in-setup-and-go router, I
recommend Netgear products.  I've always had good luck with them.
More importantly, any time I've had an issue, their support has been
excellent.

-- 
Tired programmer
Coding late into the night
The core dump follows

My GNUPG public key is available at http://www.kristau.net/public_key.asc
From donald.patridge at gmail.com  Wed Mar  5 22:40:05 2008
From: donald.patridge at gmail.com (Don Patridge)
Date: Wed Mar  5 22:40:33 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] USB headphone problems
Message-ID: <5d6ba50f60aa6948bf1c0b2fb88fc668@gmail.com>

My USB Logitech head phones have been refusing to be of use when 
listening to iTunes or listening to my Skype calls. The microphone 
would work fine in all applications. I tried booting the computer with 
the head phones set to work and sometimes they would work. Then it got 
so nothing would work. I even tried unplugging and then plugging the 
head phone in to different USB locations. When I moved the head phones 
from the hub to the keyboard, and then even to the computer's USB ports 
nothing changed. It has even been suggested that having a large number 
of USB devises hooked up to my G4 tower was the problem. I still got no 
sound when some of them were removed.

Then I found the following posted after doing a Google search for 
problems with USB head phones. (The posting is in red at the bottom of 
this email.) Specific to Logitech head phones and using Skype like I 
have hooked up to my G4 tower. This first time I tried solution it 
worked. The only thing I found was that it was not specific to needing 
to run Skype. I had to do the solution to even get iTunes to work. Then 
I checked out Skype and it was working. So, then I shutdown the 
computer and rebooted. I was expecting the same problem and that I 
would need to use the suggested solution again. It happened just like 
they mentioned and the solution worked just great to solve the problem 
again. There were other postings that indicated this is a know problem. 
Yet the suggestion was that Mac OS 10 upgrades were the problem. Yet, I 
am still using OS 10.3.9 yet. The only changes to software has been 
downloading the newest version of Skype. I even refused to change 
iTunes and it is still at version 7.2 yet. So, my experience seems to 
suggest it may be changes in Skype that might be causing the problem. 
Any ideas

===========================
Terri,
I think it may have something to do with Logitech and the latest 
releases of OSX. I have the Logitech headset with mic. model 250. My 
Skype preferences are always set to Logitech for both input and output. 
But I find I have to tweak the System Preferences every time I start 
Skype. In the Sys Prefs/Sound panel both my input and output are also 
set to my Logitech headset. But that's not enough! If you click the 
output volume slider you still won't hear a thing. Instead, click on 
"Mute". Then try the volume slider. You should now hear a beep in your 
headset.
YOU MUST DO THIS EVERYTIME YOU START SKYPE. It's a nuisance, but I 
haven't yet seen a cure. I read somewhere that this problem began with 
one of the later releases of OSX. So hopefully it will be fixed in 
future.
There's a little utility program that looks great for switching between 
input/output sound devices. It's called "SoundSource" and once 
installed it'll always be on your main menu bar. Unfortunately, it 
doesn't fix this problem. However, it does save a couple of clicks for 
getting to the Sys Prefs/Sound panel, so that's a time saver. Google 
'SoundSource' to find their download site. It's free.
Hope this helps. At least it's good to know you're not alone!
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From darcybaston at mac.com  Thu Mar 13 11:11:20 2008
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Thu Mar 13 11:11:45 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Coverflow search engine coming soon
Message-ID: <759E6D9E-0118-1000-BD54-F371F15C053F-Webmail-10014@mac.com>

http://www.searchme.com/
From maccelerate at earthlink.net  Thu Mar 13 15:35:57 2008
From: maccelerate at earthlink.net (Matt W)
Date: Thu Mar 13 15:36:21 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Coverflow search engine coming soon
Message-ID: <15603941.1205440557466.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

This is obviously an attempt at being bought if ever there was one. If Google doesn't buy them, Apple should, unless there's already some tech in development that reproduces this. I wonder if it uses CoreImage in some way.

Mw

-----Original Message-----
>From: Darcy Baston <darcybaston@mac.com>
>Sent: Mar 13, 2008 12:11 PM
>To: Des Moines Mac Users Group <dmmug@dmmug.org>
>Subject: [DM-MUG] Coverflow search engine coming soon
>
>http://www.searchme.com/
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>DMMUG@dmmug.org
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From asgreen at raccoon.com  Thu Mar 13 22:57:58 2008
From: asgreen at raccoon.com (Allen Green)
Date: Thu Mar 13 22:58:27 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Entourage problem
Message-ID: <C3FF61F6.AF5B%asgreen@raccoon.com>

 I have four items all identical in my Entourage e-mail trash.  I have not
idea how they got there.
Text on the four items is written in red; the subject says "Ken"; the
categories section says "None"
Nothing else in any other part of the messages.
I can't delete them, can't drag them to the trash or get rid of them.  I can
select other items in the trash and delete them.  But if I merely touch one
of the four items, Entourage locks up and quits.
Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Allen Green

From jon at mac-consultant.com  Thu Mar 13 23:08:34 2008
From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Thu Mar 13 23:08:58 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Entourage problem
In-Reply-To: <C3FF61F6.AF5B%asgreen@raccoon.com>
References: <C3FF61F6.AF5B%asgreen@raccoon.com>
Message-ID: <CF886C63-0FB0-4078-BE0B-7B0AC3FA6441@mac-consultant.com>

Allen,


Quit entourage, hold down the option key and start it.  A rebuild  
window will appear.  Run the rebuild and you probably will be fine.

-- 
- Jon
On Mar 13, 2008, at 10:57 PM, Allen Green wrote:

> I have four items all identical in my Entourage e-mail trash.  I  
> have not
> idea how they got there.
> Text on the four items is written in red; the subject says "Ken"; the
> categories section says "None"
> Nothing else in any other part of the messages.
> I can't delete them, can't drag them to the trash or get rid of  
> them.  I can
> select other items in the trash and delete them.  But if I merely  
> touch one
> of the four items, Entourage locks up and quits.
> Any suggestions?
> Thanks,
> Allen Green
>
> _______________________________________________
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From maccelerate at earthlink.net  Fri Mar 14 13:39:25 2008
From: maccelerate at earthlink.net (Matthew W.)
Date: Fri Mar 14 13:39:50 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] For Sale: Elgato EyeTV Hybrid
Message-ID: <8C346716-80C0-484C-A749-CEFECAE1E969@earthlink.net>

Excellent product! I bought 2, but now only need one.
The best HD is available over the air (OTA). Rabbit ears are all you  
need.

Full retail version w/software v. 2.5.
All retail items included (CD, cables, remote) except the original box.

<http://www.elgato.com/elgato/na/mainmenu/products/hybrid/ 
product1.en.html>

$105.00

Pickup in West Des Moines, will mail for cost of postage.

Matthew W.
From thorgrim at mindspring.com  Sat Mar 15 13:22:41 2008
From: thorgrim at mindspring.com (Thorgrim)
Date: Sat Mar 15 13:22:52 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Mail Archiving 
Message-ID: <2DBAE5C5-FB1B-4CDC-A668-C6ADAF07486C@mindspring.com>

Just hear about this app and yes it cost a bit of money.  I depends  
on what the data is worth.

http://www.mailsteward.com/

David D. McLaughlin
webmaster@dmmug.org
From vlh at herringlaw.com  Mon Mar 17 23:10:01 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Mon Mar 17 23:16:15 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Join the Apress User Group Program and get FREE stuff
 for your group!
Message-ID: <p06240803c404f0ddd25f@[10.0.0.31]>

if anyone here wants DMMUG to sign up let me know.  Otherwise, I won't do so.
>
>Dear Apple User Group:
>
>
>
>My name is Cheryl Martinez, and I work with user groups here at
>Apress --- the high-tech book publisher "for professionals, by
>professionals". Maybe you have heard of us, maybe not, but I'd
>like offer your group a chance to try out our books by inviting
>your Apple User Group to join our User Group Program. There are
>plenty of benefits and the program is FREE to join:
>
>
>
>* Discounts -- a special 25% discount off the retail price of
>   Apress and friends of ED titles
>
>* FREE BOOKS for review purposes
>
>* FREE BOOKS and for your meetings, raffles, events and parties
>
>* FREE Promotional items like cool Apress T-shirts
>
>* Access to Authors that are able to speak at your events
>
>* A chance to enter Apress promotions and contests
>
>* Downloadable Apress logos for your user group website or
>   printed materials
>
>

-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From hfwelch at mac.com  Fri Mar 21 19:03:12 2008
From: hfwelch at mac.com (Holly Welch)
Date: Fri Mar 21 19:03:57 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Tuesday Meeting
Message-ID: <09CA9E2B-FE04-410D-8B1C-F79D54E3054E@mac.com>

Are there any burning topics you would like to have covered Tuesday  
night? We should at least cater to the crowd that comes!
Holly
VP
From rbowler at mchsi.com  Fri Mar 21 22:07:25 2008
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Fri Mar 21 22:08:09 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Tuesday Meeting
In-Reply-To: <09CA9E2B-FE04-410D-8B1C-F79D54E3054E@mac.com>
References: <09CA9E2B-FE04-410D-8B1C-F79D54E3054E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p0624063ac40a278f426b@[10.0.1.3]>

Could we find someone to talk about networking two or more computers 
in the home? Without a router, with a router, between and Mac and a 
PC, sharing volumes, sharing printers, shring an internet connecton.
?


At 7:03 PM -0500 3/21/08, Holly Welch wrote:
>Are there any burning topics you would like to have covered Tuesday 
>night? We should at least cater to the crowd that comes!
>Holly
>VP
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-- 
Ray Bowler

rbowler.home.mchsi.com
From thorgrim at mindspring.com  Fri Mar 21 22:14:58 2008
From: thorgrim at mindspring.com (Thorgrim)
Date: Fri Mar 21 22:15:47 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Tuesday Meeting
In-Reply-To: <p0624063ac40a278f426b@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <09CA9E2B-FE04-410D-8B1C-F79D54E3054E@mac.com>
	<p0624063ac40a278f426b@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <B1C12F15-C6DF-4E48-93E8-9F01D676AC70@mindspring.com>

> Could we find someone to talk about networking two or more  
> computers in the home?

I would be willing to at least talk about the wired part.  Most of my  
machines don't do wireless.

David D. McLaughlin
webmaster@dmmug.org
From hfwelch at mac.com  Fri Mar 21 22:24:44 2008
From: hfwelch at mac.com (Holly Welch)
Date: Fri Mar 21 22:25:32 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Tuesday Meeting
In-Reply-To: <B1C12F15-C6DF-4E48-93E8-9F01D676AC70@mindspring.com>
References: <09CA9E2B-FE04-410D-8B1C-F79D54E3054E@mac.com>
	<p0624063ac40a278f426b@[10.0.1.3]>
	<B1C12F15-C6DF-4E48-93E8-9F01D676AC70@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <12E8F1A7-7DBA-4D5D-9037-ECDB58BD1C57@mac.com>

That would be a great idea! I'm not sure that I will be there, but I  
networked 23 computers in a classroom using an airport. Maybe we have  
some others out there (hint, hint) who would like to add some things.
Thanks for the idea.
On Mar 21, 2008, at 10:14 PM, Thorgrim wrote:

>> Could we find someone to talk about networking two or more  
>> computers in the home?
>
> I would be willing to at least talk about the wired part.  Most of  
> my machines don't do wireless.
>
> David D. McLaughlin
> webmaster@dmmug.org
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
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> DMMUG@dmmug.org
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From cwsmith7 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 22 10:35:22 2008
From: cwsmith7 at gmail.com (CW Smith)
Date: Sat Mar 22 10:36:06 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Tuesday Meeting
In-Reply-To: <12E8F1A7-7DBA-4D5D-9037-ECDB58BD1C57@mac.com>
References: <09CA9E2B-FE04-410D-8B1C-F79D54E3054E@mac.com>
	<p0624063ac40a278f426b@10.0.1.3>
	<B1C12F15-C6DF-4E48-93E8-9F01D676AC70@mindspring.com>
	<12E8F1A7-7DBA-4D5D-9037-ECDB58BD1C57@mac.com>
Message-ID: <a82e75f90803220835x590c69cfj5c63823e6c4de880@mail.gmail.com>

I could probably add a word or two if needed ...

Peace,
CW

-- 
Curt (CW) Smith
Musician, Composer, Producer, Technician

Personal: cwsmith7@gmail.com
Technical: cw@gohaddock.com
Musical: cwsmith@spymac.com
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From jbuex at mac.com  Sat Mar 22 13:35:07 2008
From: jbuex at mac.com (christopher miller)
Date: Sat Mar 22 13:35:55 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Tuesday Meeting
In-Reply-To: <09CA9E2B-FE04-410D-8B1C-F79D54E3054E@mac.com>
References: <09CA9E2B-FE04-410D-8B1C-F79D54E3054E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <61DDF747-884C-4746-8952-6C9E91BB2014@mac.com>

I don't think I have the expertise to make a judgment other than the  
old standbys.   c

On Mar 21, 2008, at 7:03 PM, Holly Welch wrote:

> Are there any burning topics you would like to have covered Tuesday  
> night? We should at least cater to the crowd that comes!
> Holly
> VP
> _______________________________________________
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From maccelerate at earthlink.net  Sun Mar 23 19:10:11 2008
From: maccelerate at earthlink.net (Matthew W.)
Date: Sun Mar 23 19:10:58 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] For Sale: LaCie DVD-R/RW
Message-ID: <48C12A7E-FA2B-4F0B-B411-D80B3820E72A@earthlink.net>

LaCie DVD-R/RW 4x2x12x
CD-RW 16x8x32x

Low hours used. 2-FireWire 400 ports.

Power supply, manual, CD's, and box. Software includes Toast Lite  
5.2L (OS 9 and Mac OS X) and others. You'll need to add your own  
FireWire cable.

$50.

Matthew W.
West Des Moines, IA
From rbowler at mchsi.com  Mon Mar 24 21:18:53 2008
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Mon Mar 24 21:19:37 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] officers.
Message-ID: <p06240610c40e0fb85ef7@[10.0.1.3]>

It looks like I am the only remaining officer and I will be having 
medical procedures instead of attending the meeting.

I suggest that those assembled look at the alternatives:

	1. quit.
	2. drift along with no officers and no programming--just gab.
	3. Someone take the responsibility of giving leadership and 
get something going.

We have had a lot of #2 with occasional bursts of leadership under 
#3--thanks to all who have tried.
I do not have the personality nor the skills to take on #3--I am best 
as Sect. or treas. So it is up to those assembled.

Someone please post to the list what happens in the meeting.
-- 
Ray Bowler

rbowler.home.mchsi.com
From thorgrim at mindspring.com  Mon Mar 24 21:34:17 2008
From: thorgrim at mindspring.com (Thorgrim)
Date: Mon Mar 24 21:35:07 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] 03/25/2008 Meeting "Simple Home Networks"
In-Reply-To: <p06240610c40e0fb85ef7@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <p06240610c40e0fb85ef7@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <B15F8CC4-F1AA-4B5D-85C1-C305B54CA546@mindspring.com>

> It looks like I am the only remaining officer and I will be having  
> medical procedures instead of attending the meeting.

I will be giving a talk on simple home networks.

Just updated the website.

http://www.dmmug.org

David D. McLaughlin
webmaster@dmmug.org
From rbowler at mchsi.com  Mon Mar 24 22:14:24 2008
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Mon Mar 24 22:15:08 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] 03/25/2008 Meeting "Simple Home Networks"
In-Reply-To: <B15F8CC4-F1AA-4B5D-85C1-C305B54CA546@mindspring.com>
References: <p06240610c40e0fb85ef7@[10.0.1.3]>
	<B15F8CC4-F1AA-4B5D-85C1-C305B54CA546@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <p06240611c40e1e73d2a6@[10.0.1.3]>

Thanks David.

At 9:34 PM -0500 3/24/08, Thorgrim wrote:
>>It looks like I am the only remaining officer and I will be having 
>>medical procedures instead of attending the meeting.
>
>I will be giving a talk on simple home networks.
>
>Just updated the website.
>
>http://www.dmmug.org
>
>David D. McLaughlin
>webmaster@dmmug.org
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-- 
Ray Bowler

rbowler.home.mchsi.com
From vlh at herringlaw.com  Tue Mar 25 11:25:58 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue Mar 25 11:26:40 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] officers.
In-Reply-To: <p06240610c40e0fb85ef7@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <p06240610c40e0fb85ef7@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <p06240806c40ed774952b@[192.168.2.2]>

Thanks, Ray = yes, Holly and I are resigning, and Dave Weis has....I 
may or may not miss the meeting [have a flu bug] but the time has 
come to determine whether we can meet monthly without any structure 
or need structure of some type [I tend to think the latter, but 
that's my preference].  If anyone wants to step in and volunteer to 
be an officer, please do so = that's essentially what we do anyway. 
The real job is setting up and finding programs.

As ambassador/president, I'm the conduit for various emails for the 
group and will keep that contact going until someone takes over.

Thanks.  Victoria.


>It looks like I am the only remaining officer and I will be having 
>medical procedures instead of attending the meeting.
>
>I suggest that those assembled look at the alternatives:
>
>	1. quit.
>	2. drift along with no officers and no programming--just gab.
>	3. Someone take the responsibility of giving leadership and 
>get something going.
>
>We have had a lot of #2 with occasional bursts of leadership under 
>#3--thanks to all who have tried.
>I do not have the personality nor the skills to take on #3--I am 
>best as Sect. or treas. So it is up to those assembled.

-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From rutucker at cfu.net  Tue Mar 25 14:34:05 2008
From: rutucker at cfu.net (Ruth M.F. Tucker)
Date: Tue Mar 25 14:33:15 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Home networks
Message-ID: <00CD4D79-A9EE-4DC3-AAE8-22A79A2B3B31@cfu.net>

Wished I lived closer, but evening meets are out for this distance.  I  
am interested in setting up a home network for my two computers to  
share the same printer and email connection.  I would  really like to  
be at this meeting, but. . . .
Ruth Tucker
Cedar Falls, IA  50613-1351
rutucker@cfu.net



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From vlh at herringlaw.com  Tue Mar 25 14:42:06 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue Mar 25 14:42:56 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Home networks
In-Reply-To: <00CD4D79-A9EE-4DC3-AAE8-22A79A2B3B31@cfu.net>
References: <00CD4D79-A9EE-4DC3-AAE8-22A79A2B3B31@cfu.net>
Message-ID: <p06240817c40f05e5779e@[192.168.2.2]>

Would whoever is at the meeting take good notes and post them to the 
list?  As long as someone takes notes of the meeting, or the speaker 
provides them, and shares with the list that might help.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From vlh at herringlaw.com  Tue Mar 25 14:54:35 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue Mar 25 14:55:26 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] An offer for MUG members
Message-ID: <p0624081cc40f08cf267c@[192.168.2.2]>

>Insider Software would like to introduce our longstanding products 
>in a more formal way to your User Group. First, by providing product 
>for raffles and one copy for your user groups software library. 
>Second by training one of your key members on our product Font Agent 
>Pro 4.0. The World Smartest font management software. All we ask in 
>return is a member from your user group attend one of our 20 min 
>webinars, and present it to your group in an upcoming meeting. If 
>this of interest to you please call 714-886-7022 or Email us at 
><mailto:lspeights@insidersoftware.com>lspeights@insidersoftware.com 
>to get stared .

[I have the full email and attachments and will forward them to 
whoever wants to do this ]
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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From thorgrim at mindspring.com  Tue Mar 25 22:10:00 2008
From: thorgrim at mindspring.com (Thorgrim)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:10:30 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] New Meeting Topics
Message-ID: <502F5540-6EF8-456A-8B6F-B2FC6AC7EFA5@mindspring.com>

Some ideas for future topics

Freeware/cheap shareware
Web Site (multiple sessions)
	Development tools (iWeb/RapidWeaver)
	Hosting (.mac/ISP/hosting company)

Any others to add to the list?

Should I create a future topics page on the web site?

David D. McLaughlin
webmaster@dmmug.org
From rbowler at mchsi.com  Tue Mar 25 22:39:39 2008
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:40:06 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] New Meeting Topics
In-Reply-To: <502F5540-6EF8-456A-8B6F-B2FC6AC7EFA5@mindspring.com>
References: <502F5540-6EF8-456A-8B6F-B2FC6AC7EFA5@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <p06240618c40f72ea9e8b@[10.0.1.3]>




At 10:10 PM -0500 3/25/08, Thorgrim wrote:
>Some ideas for future topics
>
>Freeware/cheap shareware

Some real good programs are Freeware or cheap shareware.


>Web Site (multiple sessions)
>	Development tools (iWeb/RapidWeaver)
>	Hosting (.mac/ISP/hosting company)
Really good idea.

For those who don't want to spend the money NVu is powerful site 
building tool and free as is TextWrangler if you know enough to get 
your hands dirty. Interarchy is good for transferring the pages to 
the web site.

I know it has been touched on but how about a good look at how to use 
Time Machine?

How about comparing ways to have Windows on an Intel machine? How 
many of us have Intel machines?

>Any others to add to the list?
>
>Should I create a future topics page on the web site?

I have been meaning to email you that I really like the site.

A future topics page on the web site would be helpful.

Remember that we need to pay a fee for the site  --I believe in the 
near future. Brian?




>David D. McLaughlin
>webmaster@dmmug.org
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From hfwelch at mac.com  Tue Mar 25 23:41:39 2008
From: hfwelch at mac.com (Holly Welch)
Date: Tue Mar 25 23:42:07 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] New Meeting Topics
In-Reply-To: <502F5540-6EF8-456A-8B6F-B2FC6AC7EFA5@mindspring.com>
References: <502F5540-6EF8-456A-8B6F-B2FC6AC7EFA5@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <4386685C-D487-4976-8CF2-33057F949B8E@mac.com>

Thanks, Dave. Yes, I think we should have a place on the web site  
where we can solicit suggestions. How did it go tonight? I really  
wish I could have been there! There are some networking issues I'd  
like to figure out!
Holly
On Mar 25, 2008, at 10:10 PM, Thorgrim wrote:

> Some ideas for future topics
>
> Freeware/cheap shareware
> Web Site (multiple sessions)
> 	Development tools (iWeb/RapidWeaver)
> 	Hosting (.mac/ISP/hosting company)
>
> Any others to add to the list?
>
> Should I create a future topics page on the web site?
>
> David D. McLaughlin
> webmaster@dmmug.org
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> DMMUG@dmmug.org
> Use this page to modify subscription options:
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From darcybaston at mac.com  Wed Mar 26 00:37:03 2008
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Wed Mar 26 00:37:27 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] OS 9 with retail box
Message-ID: <03BD61FE-6B0E-4A0A-A1C2-A11AA5B1CAAD@mac.com>

Anyone have an old copy of OS 9 with its retail box sitting in their  
basement somewhere? I'm looking to collect it.

Darcy
From thorgrim at mindspring.com  Wed Mar 26 12:22:30 2008
From: thorgrim at mindspring.com (Thorgrim)
Date: Wed Mar 26 12:22:56 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Easy PC to Mac File Transfer
Message-ID: <5E62B073-745C-4207-9383-EB9C85E5D919@mindspring.com>

I just occurred to me that the easier way to transfer files between  
PC's and Mac's is a USB thumb drive.  They are cheap and work on both  
types of machines.

As an example, this thumb drive is 4 GB and cost only ~$22

http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-DTI-USB-Flash-Drive/dp/B000M2GYF6/ 
ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1206552010&sr=8-1

David D. McLaughlin
webmaster@dmmug.org
From vlh at herringlaw.com  Wed Mar 26 12:26:36 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Wed Mar 26 12:27:41 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Easy PC to Mac File Transfer
In-Reply-To: <5E62B073-745C-4207-9383-EB9C85E5D919@mindspring.com>
References: <5E62B073-745C-4207-9383-EB9C85E5D919@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <p06240802c4103797d701@[192.168.2.2]>

That's a great idea but I had trouble once relying on it == I had 
formatted the drive for use in my Mac [probably to clean off old data 
just did the usual] and took stuff to a PC friend who couldn't get it 
to work in her PC.  Never tried that again.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From sthiessen at passitonservices.org  Wed Mar 26 13:00:57 2008
From: sthiessen at passitonservices.org (=?utf-8?B?U3R1YXJ0IFRoaWVzc2Vu?=)
Date: Wed Mar 26 13:00:40 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Easy PC to Mac File Transfer
In-Reply-To: <p06240802c4103797d701@[192.168.2.2]>
References: <5E62B073-745C-4207-9383-EB9C85E5D919@mindspring.com><p06240802c4103797d701@[192.168.2.2]>
Message-ID: <1944071326-1206554411-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-563531141-@bxe116.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

You would need to format it with FAT, not the native Mac file system. I had the same problem before. When I reformatted it for FAT, it worked very well.

Usually, they are already formatted for FAT.

Stuart
--------------------
Stuart Thiessen
Voice: 800-919-8853
SVP-Work: 515-278-6382
Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless device

-----Original Message-----
From: "Victoria L. Herring" <vlh@herringlaw.com>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:26:36 
To:Des Moines Mac Users Group <dmmug@dmmug.org>
Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Easy PC to Mac File Transfer


That's a great idea but I had trouble once relying on it == I had 
formatted the drive for use in my Mac [probably to clean off old data 
just did the usual] and took stuff to a PC friend who couldn't get it 
to work in her PC.  Never tried that again.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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From ka_klick at mac.com  Wed Mar 26 13:02:12 2008
From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker)
Date: Wed Mar 26 13:02:43 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Easy PC to Mac File Transfer
In-Reply-To: <p06240802c4103797d701@[192.168.2.2]>
References: <5E62B073-745C-4207-9383-EB9C85E5D919@mindspring.com>
	<p06240802c4103797d701@[192.168.2.2]>
Message-ID: <E9212C0B-4256-4FEF-8734-53C817D23604@mac.com>

Yes, to use a thumb drive (or other media) it has to be formatted in a  
way that both systems can understand, (Current) Macs can use most  
current windows formats, but not the other way around, so the safe bet  
is to use the standard windows formatting most of them come with.


On Mar 26, 2008, at 12:26 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
> That's a great idea but I had trouble once relying on it == I had  
> formatted the drive for use in my Mac [probably to clean off old  
> data just did the usual] and took stuff to a PC friend who couldn't  
> get it to work in her PC.  Never tried that again.
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights,  
> Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph.  
> 515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
> _______________________________________________
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--
Bryan "ka-klick" Baker
Singer/Songwriter
With 2 New CDs!!! See my website for details
kaklick_martin@mac.com
http://ka-klick.com


From vlh at herringlaw.com  Wed Mar 26 13:09:20 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Wed Mar 26 13:10:07 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Easy PC to Mac File Transfer
In-Reply-To: <1944071326-1206554411-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-563531141-
	@bxe116.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <5E62B073-745C-4207-9383-EB9C85E5D919@mindspring.com><p06240802c4103797d70
	1@[192.168.2.2]>
	<1944071326-1206554411-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-563531141-
	@bxe116.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <p06240809c41041b335c7@[192.168.2.2]>

that's the point, I had to clean off old data and just did the usual 
formatting = so, if I do a FAT format it will be read fine by Mac?
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From darcybaston at mac.com  Wed Mar 26 13:36:29 2008
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Wed Mar 26 13:36:53 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Easy PC to Mac File Transfer
In-Reply-To: <p06240809c41041b335c7@[192.168.2.2]>
References: <5E62B073-745C-4207-9383-EB9C85E5D919@mindspring.com>
	<"p06240802c4103797d70 1"@[192.168.2.2]>
	<1944071326-1206554411-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-563531141-@bxe116.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<p06240809c41041b335c7@[192.168.2.2]>
Message-ID: <10822EE3-0118-1000-BE74-7EB458BD87DD-Webmail-10015@mac.com>

Yep.

In case someone goes to copy a big HD movie onto a 4-8GB drive, FAT32, what OS X deals with, has a 2GB file size limit.

Darcy

 
On Wednesday, March 26, 2008, at 01:10PM, "Victoria L. Herring" <vlh@herringlaw.com> wrote:
>that's the point, I had to clean off old data and just did the usual 
>formatting = so, if I do a FAT format it will be read fine by Mac?
From thorgrim at mindspring.com  Wed Mar 26 14:28:46 2008
From: thorgrim at mindspring.com (Thorgrim)
Date: Wed Mar 26 14:29:18 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Easy PC to Mac File Transfer
In-Reply-To: <p06240802c4103797d701@[192.168.2.2]>
References: <5E62B073-745C-4207-9383-EB9C85E5D919@mindspring.com>
	<p06240802c4103797d701@[192.168.2.2]>
Message-ID: <09E84A6C-5977-493F-AB08-642DA93A484F@mindspring.com>

> I had formatted the drive for use in my Mac

They usually come formatted for the PC.  Which should work fine on a  
Mac.

David D. McLaughlin
webmaster@dmmug.org
From donald.patridge at gmail.com  Wed Mar 26 14:58:39 2008
From: donald.patridge at gmail.com (Don Patridge)
Date: Wed Mar 26 14:59:06 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Home networks
In-Reply-To: <00CD4D79-A9EE-4DC3-AAE8-22A79A2B3B31@cfu.net>
References: <00CD4D79-A9EE-4DC3-AAE8-22A79A2B3B31@cfu.net>
Message-ID: <1d0f70d28e0ca9c205616865dba77831@gmail.com>

Do you have the computers in the same room? The network can be hard 
wired between to the two computers  or do you want to do it wireless? 
You have many options. Do you have wireless capable Mac's? So, a little 
more information and we might be able to talk you through the setup.
  Send me an email off line to my email in red below if you would like 
to work with me directly. Go luck.


On Mar 25, 2008, at 2:34 PM, Ruth M.F. Tucker wrote:

> Wished I lived closer, but evening meets are out for this distance. ?I 
> am interested in setting up a home network for my two computers to 
> share the same printer and email connection. ?I would ?really like to 
> be at this meeting, but. . . .
> Ruth Tucker
> Cedar Falls, IA ?50613-1351
> rutucker@cfu.net
>
>
Don Patridge - QCMUG President
QCMUG President email - qcmugpresident@gmail.com
QCMUG website : http://www.qcmug.org
QCMUG listserve: qcmug@googlegroups.com
QCMUG Bulletin Board: http://compevoqc.com/forum/

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From thorgrim at mindspring.com  Wed Mar 26 16:18:45 2008
From: thorgrim at mindspring.com (Thorgrim)
Date: Wed Mar 26 16:19:12 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Which topic first?
Message-ID: <EE9F213C-8371-482D-B829-7B1235A6E180@mindspring.com>

I have added a "Future Topics" page.

http://www.dmmug.org/meetings/future/future.html

Which topics are people interested in first?

David D. McLaughlin
webmaster@dmmug.org
From sthiessen at passitonservices.org  Wed Mar 26 16:39:53 2008
From: sthiessen at passitonservices.org (=?utf-8?B?U3R1YXJ0IFRoaWVzc2Vu?=)
Date: Wed Mar 26 16:39:35 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Which topic first?
In-Reply-To: <EE9F213C-8371-482D-B829-7B1235A6E180@mindspring.com>
References: <EE9F213C-8371-482D-B829-7B1235A6E180@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <214868800-1206567545-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1253769750-@bxe116.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Can you add a poll function to the page? That might be a way to gauge it?

Stuart
--------------------
Stuart Thiessen
Voice: 800-919-8853
SVP-Work: 515-278-6382
Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless device

-----Original Message-----
From: Thorgrim <thorgrim@mindspring.com>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:18:45 
To:Des Moines Mac Users Group <dmmug@dmmug.org>
Subject: [DM-MUG] Which topic first?


I have added a "Future Topics" page.

http://www.dmmug.org/meetings/future/future.html

Which topics are people interested in first?

David D. McLaughlin
webmaster@dmmug.org
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From hfwelch at mac.com  Wed Mar 26 17:16:41 2008
From: hfwelch at mac.com (Holly Welch)
Date: Wed Mar 26 17:17:22 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Easy PC to Mac File Transfer
In-Reply-To: <5E62B073-745C-4207-9383-EB9C85E5D919@mindspring.com>
References: <5E62B073-745C-4207-9383-EB9C85E5D919@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <25E37040-35CE-4288-B941-F4CB93944E99@mac.com>

Good idea!
When I had the 23 Macs at school, and kids all had PC's at home, we  
used thumb drives exclusively, and had no problems. I had a few of  
the thumb drives that we sent home with kids, so they were on many,  
many computers!
Holly
On Mar 26, 2008, at 12:22 PM, Thorgrim wrote:

> I just occurred to me that the easier way to transfer files between  
> PC's and Mac's is a USB thumb drive.  They are cheap and work on  
> both types of machines.
>
> As an example, this thumb drive is 4 GB and cost only ~$22
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-DTI-USB-Flash-Drive/dp/B000M2GYF6/ 
> ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1206552010&sr=8-1
>
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From hfwelch at mac.com  Wed Mar 26 17:20:15 2008
From: hfwelch at mac.com (Holly Welch)
Date: Wed Mar 26 17:20:42 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Which topic first?
In-Reply-To: <214868800-1206567545-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1253769750-@bxe116.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <EE9F213C-8371-482D-B829-7B1235A6E180@mindspring.com>
	<214868800-1206567545-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1253769750-@bxe116.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <0573FB67-928C-4393-BB0D-3C131E878F1B@mac.com>

We did do a poll last year, and had about 21 responses, which we have  
been following. Since there were no names, it is hard to know if the  
people who responded are the same ones who attend the meetings!
Dave, can you put a blog on there, so people can add their ideas?
Holly
On Mar 26, 2008, at 4:39 PM, Stuart Thiessen wrote:

> Can you add a poll function to the page? That might be a way to  
> gauge it?
>
> Stuart
> --------------------
> Stuart Thiessen
> Voice: 800-919-8853
> SVP-Work: 515-278-6382
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thorgrim <thorgrim@mindspring.com>
>
> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:18:45
> To:Des Moines Mac Users Group <dmmug@dmmug.org>
> Subject: [DM-MUG] Which topic first?
>
>
> I have added a "Future Topics" page.
>
> http://www.dmmug.org/meetings/future/future.html
>
> Which topics are people interested in first?
>
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From thorgrim at mindspring.com  Wed Mar 26 17:33:49 2008
From: thorgrim at mindspring.com (Thorgrim)
Date: Wed Mar 26 17:34:17 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Which topic first?
In-Reply-To: <214868800-1206567545-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1253769750-@bxe116.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <EE9F213C-8371-482D-B829-7B1235A6E180@mindspring.com>
	<214868800-1206567545-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1253769750-@bxe116.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <A8A8F4E7-819D-4CD2-8B8A-0036E10C1A2F@mindspring.com>

> Can you add a poll function to the page?

No.  The software I am using to create the site does not currently  
support "polls".  I wish it did.

While an interesting project, I do not currently have the time at  
present to code one from scratch.

The problem with a poll, is that you have to store the results in a  
database, which means that there is more set-up on the server side of  
things.

David D. McLaughlin
webmaster@dmmug.org
From thorgrim at mindspring.com  Wed Mar 26 17:36:10 2008
From: thorgrim at mindspring.com (Thorgrim)
Date: Wed Mar 26 17:36:18 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Which topic first?
In-Reply-To: <0573FB67-928C-4393-BB0D-3C131E878F1B@mac.com>
References: <EE9F213C-8371-482D-B829-7B1235A6E180@mindspring.com>
	<214868800-1206567545-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1253769750-@bxe116.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<0573FB67-928C-4393-BB0D-3C131E878F1B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <5BFC5141-B2D3-4892-90B3-1DAFE7FED35E@mindspring.com>

> Dave, can you put a blog on there, so people can add their ideas?

Yes, but it will take a few days to set-up...

Mainly a matter of finding the time.

David D. McLaughlin
webmaster@dmmug.org
From vlh at herringlaw.com  Wed Mar 26 17:44:21 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Wed Mar 26 17:44:50 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Which topic first?
In-Reply-To: <5BFC5141-B2D3-4892-90B3-1DAFE7FED35E@mindspring.com>
References: <EE9F213C-8371-482D-B829-7B1235A6E180@mindspring.com>
	<214868800-1206567545-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1253769750-
	@bxe116.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<0573FB67-928C-4393-BB0D-3C131E878F1B@mac.com>
	<5BFC5141-B2D3-4892-90B3-1DAFE7FED35E@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <p06240822c41081f1440b@[192.168.2.2]>

We're asking alot of Dave as it is.  He's a volunteer and doing a 
great job.  People can just email the list and whoever wants to use 
the info can do so == Dave will get info and put it on the site just 
fine.  Adding more work to the website is unfair to him.  Anyone who 
wants to create a blog and let Dave link to it and do something 
simple that way, is free to do so.  But he should have to do not much 
more.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From sthiessen at passitonservices.org  Wed Mar 26 18:02:44 2008
From: sthiessen at passitonservices.org (=?utf-8?B?U3R1YXJ0IFRoaWVzc2Vu?=)
Date: Wed Mar 26 18:02:24 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Which topic first?
In-Reply-To: <p06240822c41081f1440b@[192.168.2.2]>
References: <EE9F213C-8371-482D-B829-7B1235A6E180@mindspring.com><214868800-1206567545-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1253769750-@bxe116.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><0573FB67-928C-4393-BB0D-3C131E878F1B@mac.com><5BFC5141-B2D3-4892-90B3-1DAFE7FED35E@mindspring.com><p06240822c41081f1440b@[192.168.2.2]>
Message-ID: <1537565839-1206572517-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-406527056-@bxe116.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

My suggestion is not intended to add more work but actually reduce the work. I am a webmaster myself. I prefer to create polls or whatever is needed so users add content rather than my having to copy and paste from user emails. That creates more manual work for the webmaster.

But it is up to him what he feels is the best way for him.

Thanks,

Stuart
--------------------
Stuart Thiessen
Voice: 800-919-8853
SVP-Work: 515-278-6382
Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless device

-----Original Message-----
From: "Victoria L. Herring" <vlh@herringlaw.com>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:44:21 
To:Des Moines Mac Users Group <dmmug@dmmug.org>
Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Which topic first?


We're asking alot of Dave as it is.  He's a volunteer and doing a 
great job.  People can just email the list and whoever wants to use 
the info can do so == Dave will get info and put it on the site just 
fine.  Adding more work to the website is unfair to him.  Anyone who 
wants to create a blog and let Dave link to it and do something 
simple that way, is free to do so.  But he should have to do not much 
more.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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From donald.patridge at gmail.com  Wed Mar 26 23:34:48 2008
From: donald.patridge at gmail.com (Don Patridge)
Date: Wed Mar 26 23:35:16 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Which topic first?
In-Reply-To: <5BFC5141-B2D3-4892-90B3-1DAFE7FED35E@mindspring.com>
References: <EE9F213C-8371-482D-B829-7B1235A6E180@mindspring.com>
	<214868800-1206567545-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1253769750-@bxe116.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<0573FB67-928C-4393-BB0D-3C131E878F1B@mac.com>
	<5BFC5141-B2D3-4892-90B3-1DAFE7FED35E@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <7eea9237865baafe25de35b108368946@gmail.com>

You could try a survey site. The site below is free. You just would 
need to send an email for everyone to use the survey.

http://chnm.gmu.edu/tools/surveys/guide.php

Google Doc's allows you to do survey's and get the results reported to 
you. It is quick and easy when I tried it this month.



On Mar 26, 2008, at 5:36 PM, Thorgrim wrote:

>> Dave, can you put a blog on there, so people can add their ideas?
>
> Yes, but it will take a few days to set-up...
>
> Mainly a matter of finding the time.
>
> David D. McLaughlin
> webmaster@dmmug.org
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QCMUG President email - qcmugpresident@gmail.com
QCMUG website : http://www.qcmug.org
QCMUG listserve: qcmug@googlegroups.com
QCMUG Bulletin Board: http://compevoqc.com/forum/

From myztikjenz at gmail.com  Sat Mar 29 14:14:07 2008
From: myztikjenz at gmail.com (Myztik Jenz)
Date: Sat Mar 29 14:14:14 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Anyone want/need 2x1GB MBP RAM?
Message-ID: <bf8839000803291214x18ccb335ofc1243944c6cf511@mail.gmail.com>

My recent MacBook Pro purchase came with the required 2 1GB sticks of
DDR2 667Mhz PC2-5300 RAM which I promptly upgraded to 4GB.  It's Apple
provided RAM...which means it's worth at least 10 times what they
charged me for it, but also that they work really well.

I'd like to trade someone, if possible, for RAM for my G5 (which needs
DDR 400Mhz PC3200 RAM in pairs).  If you have some extra lying about
and need some laptop memory, hit me up off-list.  Or, if you'd rather
just buy it from me, that's cool too.  I assure you I'll be far more
reasonable with my pricing than Apple:)

Thanks
Jim
From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 29 16:57:03 2008
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Sat Mar 29 16:57:27 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] g5 ram
In-Reply-To: <bf8839000803291214x18ccb335ofc1243944c6cf511@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <409622.55206.qm@web55110.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

i might have the ram you need for your g5. If I do, you're welcome to buy it from me.

I don't have a laptop. 

--- Myztik Jenz <myztikjenz@gmail.com> wrote:

> My recent MacBook Pro purchase came with the required 2 1GB sticks of
> DDR2 667Mhz PC2-5300 RAM which I promptly upgraded to 4GB.  It's Apple
> provided RAM...which means it's worth at least 10 times what they
> charged me for it, but also that they work really well.
> 
> I'd like to trade someone, if possible, for RAM for my G5 (which needs
> DDR 400Mhz PC3200 RAM in pairs).  If you have some extra lying about
> and need some laptop memory, hit me up off-list.  Or, if you'd rather
> just buy it from me, that's cool too.  I assure you I'll be far more
> reasonable with my pricing than Apple:)
> 
> Thanks
> Jim



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From jon at mac-consultant.com  Sat Mar 29 18:50:42 2008
From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Sat Mar 29 18:50:49 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Anyone want/need 2x1GB MBP RAM?
In-Reply-To: <bf8839000803291214x18ccb335ofc1243944c6cf511@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bf8839000803291214x18ccb335ofc1243944c6cf511@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F1F1F00D-5542-43C9-9AA8-74B3EDAF6AA4@mac-consultant.com>

I think you misspoke....  It's worth 1/10th of what Apple charged you  
for it, Apple is notorious for overcharging on RAM, which is why you  
didn't get the 4 GB from them.


On Mar 29, 2008, at 2:14 PM, Myztik Jenz wrote:
> My recent MacBook Pro purchase came with the required 2 1GB sticks of
> DDR2 667Mhz PC2-5300 RAM which I promptly upgraded to 4GB.  It's Apple
> provided RAM...which means it's worth at least 10 times what they
> charged me for it, but also that they work really well.
>
> I'd like to trade someone, if possible, for RAM for my G5 (which needs
> DDR 400Mhz PC3200 RAM in pairs).  If you have some extra lying about
> and need some laptop memory, hit me up off-list.  Or, if you'd rather
> just buy it from me, that's cool too.  I assure you I'll be far more
> reasonable with my pricing than Apple:)
>
> Thanks
> Jim
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From myztikjenz at gmail.com  Sat Mar 29 19:53:09 2008
From: myztikjenz at gmail.com (Myztik Jenz)
Date: Sat Mar 29 19:53:31 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Anyone want/need 2x1GB MBP RAM?
In-Reply-To: <F1F1F00D-5542-43C9-9AA8-74B3EDAF6AA4@mac-consultant.com>
References: <bf8839000803291214x18ccb335ofc1243944c6cf511@mail.gmail.com>
	<F1F1F00D-5542-43C9-9AA8-74B3EDAF6AA4@mac-consultant.com>
Message-ID: <bf8839000803291753s518f22b3h6d4dd58417f184d8@mail.gmail.com>

Indeed I did.  I meant what you said I should have meant to say:)

On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 6:50 PM, Jon Thompson <jon@mac-consultant.com> wrote:
> I think you misspoke....  It's worth 1/10th of what Apple charged you
>  for it, Apple is notorious for overcharging on RAM, which is why you
>  didn't get the 4 GB from them.
>
>
>
>  On Mar 29, 2008, at 2:14 PM, Myztik Jenz wrote:
>
>
> > My recent MacBook Pro purchase came with the required 2 1GB sticks of
>  > DDR2 667Mhz PC2-5300 RAM which I promptly upgraded to 4GB.  It's Apple
>  > provided RAM...which means it's worth at least 10 times what they
>  > charged me for it, but also that they work really well.
>  >
>  > I'd like to trade someone, if possible, for RAM for my G5 (which needs
>  > DDR 400Mhz PC3200 RAM in pairs).  If you have some extra lying about
>  > and need some laptop memory, hit me up off-list.  Or, if you'd rather
>  > just buy it from me, that's cool too.  I assure you I'll be far more
>  > reasonable with my pricing than Apple:)
>  >
>  > Thanks
>  > Jim
>
>
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From vlh at herringlaw.com  Mon Mar 31 06:08:11 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Mon Mar 31 06:09:40 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: SyncMate for MUG - If someone is interested,
	let me know
Message-ID: <p06240806c416764525ff@[192.168.2.2]>

>
>From: Julia Rixon <julia.rixon@eltima.com>
>To: president@dmmug.org
>I am Julia Rixon and I'm a Marketing Specialist in Eltima Software.
>
>Our company has just released final version of SyncMate 
>(synchronizer for Mac OS and Windows mobile devices - 
>http://www.sync-mac.com/) with Expert Edition.
>
>We are very interested in cooperation with you and would be happy to 
>offer discounts for SyncMate Expert to users of your group. We also 
>would like to offer you a free licenses of this software product for 
>a testing among Mac users of your group and placing information 
>(review or article) about it at your User Group  site. We would 
>appreciate having an opportunity for our product to be discussed and 
>evaluated by high-skilled experts of your Mac User Group.
>
>If you have some ideas or suggestions towards our mutual beneficial 
>cooperation don't hesitate to contact me personally.
>Julia Rixon
>Marketing Specialist
>Home: http://www.eltima.com
>Blog: http://blog.eltima.com


-- 
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Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
