From vlh at herringlaw.com  Thu Jan  3 09:26:50 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu Jan  3 09:28:07 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] new Mac user and moving from Windows98 Dell
Message-ID: <p06240823c3a2ae987f05@[10.0.1.200]>

friend of mine has new MacBookPro - she was on QWest's DSL service 
and her emails etc. are all on her Dell running Windows 98 and the 
MSN email program QWest supplied [I think] - she can't now access the 
emails since the Dell can only take a USB1 connection and the MBP 
doesn't have that and besides which, I gather they are in a format 
that the Mac can't read.  Any suggestions or ideas ???  Or could she 
in some way get them uploaded or emailed to her at her new gmail 
account [now on the Mac] and get them that way?
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From tyrrell69 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  3 10:53:42 2008
From: tyrrell69 at gmail.com (Chris Tyrrell)
Date: Thu Jan  3 10:54:10 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] new Mac user and moving from Windows98 Dell
In-Reply-To: <p06240823c3a2ae987f05@10.0.1.200>
References: <p06240823c3a2ae987f05@10.0.1.200>
Message-ID: <54c5ebf40801030853x70c30279idb42f56e4898b57f@mail.gmail.com>

On Jan 3, 2008 9:26 AM, Victoria L. Herring <vlh@herringlaw.com> wrote:
> friend of mine has new MacBookPro - she was on QWest's DSL service
> and her emails etc. are all on her Dell running Windows 98 and the
> MSN email program QWest supplied [I think] - she can't now access the
> emails since the Dell can only take a USB1 connection and the MBP
> doesn't have that and besides which, I gather they are in a format
> that the Mac can't read.  Any suggestions or ideas ???  Or could she
> in some way get them uploaded or emailed to her at her new gmail
> account [now on the Mac] and get them that way?

If her MSN client can handle IMAP, she can create a folder in her
GMail account, upload everything to that folder, then access it from
Mail on her Mac.


Cheers,
Chris
From BYDORY at aol.com  Thu Jan  3 13:43:03 2008
From: BYDORY at aol.com (BYDORY@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jan  3 13:43:36 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] strange e-mail
Message-ID: <cc9.25004026.34ae94c7@aol.com>

I just received an e-mail with the subject being "Have you seen the Secret?" 
It was sent to bydory@aol.com from by dory@aol.com and gave me a web address 
with advice not to forward it until after I had gone to the site.   I checked 
the details of how it was sent and it was sent from centrepoint.com.   Is this 
something i should worry about?   I deleted it.   I welcome any comments.
Dora Ward


**************
Start the year off right.  Easy ways to stay in shape.
 
    http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
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From vlh at herringlaw.com  Thu Jan  3 14:08:21 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu Jan  3 14:08:55 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] strange e-mail
In-Reply-To: <cc9.25004026.34ae94c7@aol.com>
References: <cc9.25004026.34ae94c7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <p06240840c3a2f0d60548@[10.0.1.200]>

>I just received an e-mail with the subject being "Have you seen the 
>Secret?" It was sent to bydory@aol.com from by dory@aol.com and gave 
>me a web address with advice not to forward it until after I had 
>gone to the site.  I checked the details of how it was sent and it 
>was sent from centrepoint.com.  Is this something i should worry 
>about?  I deleted it.  I welcome any comments.
>Dora Ward

if you get strange email you should assume the worst and not waste 
your time, just delete -- in fact, I figure that anyone who is my 
friend/acquaintance/business contact etc. who really wants to reach 
me will call if they can't get me by email -- so emails from 
strangers are usually jettisoned soon....I use SpamSieve and it 
catches most of such. 
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Thu Jan  3 22:28:15 2008
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Thu Jan  3 22:28:40 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] strange e-mail
In-Reply-To: <cc9.25004026.34ae94c7@aol.com>
References: <cc9.25004026.34ae94c7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <p06240606c3a3661aae68@[10.0.1.3]>

Good way to get you to a web site and perhaps(if you have Windows) to 
do damage. Deleteing is a good idea.

At 2:43 PM -0500 1/3/08, BYDORY@aol.com wrote:
>I just received an e-mail with the subject being "Have you seen the 
>Secret?" It was sent to bydory@aol.com from by dory@aol.com and gave 
>me a web address with advice not to forward it until after I had 
>gone to the site.  I checked the details of how it was sent and it 
>was sent from centrepoint.com.  Is this something i should worry 
>about?  I deleted it.  I welcome any comments.
>Dora Ward
>
>
>**************
>Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.
>http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
>
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From BYDORY at aol.com  Fri Jan  4 05:14:04 2008
From: BYDORY at aol.com (BYDORY@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jan  4 05:14:39 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] strange e-mail
Message-ID: <c8b.2066bdd8.34af6efc@aol.com>

Thanks for the response Victoria and Ray.   I'm also curious as to how a 
person sending mail can use my e-mail address as the sender. Dora Ward



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Start the year off right.  Easy ways to stay in shape.
     
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From dinobot at mindspring.com  Fri Jan  4 10:48:11 2008
From: dinobot at mindspring.com (Chris Rinehart)
Date: Fri Jan  4 10:48:38 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] strange e-mail
In-Reply-To: <c8b.2066bdd8.34af6efc@aol.com>
References: <c8b.2066bdd8.34af6efc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C253F353-2EB4-4930-8DFA-B03BC74AE76D@mindspring.com>

We get that at the gallery I work at. I see all kinds of returned  
emails with xxxxx@kavanaughgallery.com. Replace the xxxx with any  
random name you can think of. And when mindspring.com used to be a  
company they did something about it and actually stopped it. Now that  
they are owned by earthlink I cant get them to even understand the  
problem. It is getting harder and easier to send spoofed emails. I've  
had to change our official email to aol to keep out of spam filters.  
You should complain to aol but it seems like bydory@aol.com is  
different than dory@aol.com. Have you tried looking bydory up on the  
aol community  thing? Regards Chris
From vlh at herringlaw.com  Fri Jan  4 13:18:19 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Fri Jan  4 13:18:48 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Photo quality of Epson, HP and Canon
In-Reply-To: <318661.24676.qm@web55109.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
References: <318661.24676.qm@web55109.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p06240823c3a436902455@[10.0.1.200]>

Ray, I use Epson R2400 and its ink for my archival photographs [which 
I sell] and have not been disappointed = it depends on the purpose 
for your printing [as said by others] - Wilhelm has conducted testing 
of archivalness of printer, ink, paper and Epson [using certain paper 
and ink] rates very high...thus I stick with it.

If you are looking for a printer for photographic purposes it would 
pay to read some of the reviews etc. at various photo websites.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Travel Research & Photography site, 
<http://www.JourneyZing.com>;   Online Gallery at 
http://victoriajz.smugmug.com.  Images up now at Arte Gallery, East 
Village in Des Moines.
From vlh at herringlaw.com  Fri Jan  4 13:21:51 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Fri Jan  4 13:23:13 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Transferring OS 9 documents to OSX
In-Reply-To: <765331.35859.qm@web55115.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
References: <765331.35859.qm@web55115.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p06240824c3a437956177@[10.0.1.200]>

There's a program called SheepShaver which is being used by lawyers 
on MacLaw to run Classic programs [e.g. Timeslips, Word Perfect, 
etc.] on their Macs and I *think* BDK it works on Leopardized 
machines....
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From vlh at herringlaw.com  Fri Jan  4 13:23:48 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Fri Jan  4 13:24:18 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Re: [MacLaw] Classic Support for Power PCs & intel too
Message-ID: <p06240825c3a4382f857b@[10.0.1.200]>

>
>miprobatelawyer wrote:
>
>>I understand that Classic apps can be used under Leopard with
>>Sheepshaver. It appears that the program only works with Intel macs,
>>however. Is there something available that will allow me to use
>>Classic apps on a PowerBook G4 and PowerPC IMac G5? Thanks in
>>advance!
>
>Sheepshaver will work with PowerPC computers. I understand that the
>02 January 2008 build is Intel-only, but that earlier versions will
>run on a PowerPC computer. Also, there is a version dated 05 January
>2008 that is apparently a Universal Binary, capable of running on
>either Intel or Power PC Macs.
>
><<http://www.open.ou.nl/hsp/Engels/SheepShaver_Help/Downloads/SheepShaver_05_01_2008_UB.zip>http://www.open.ou.nl/hsp/Engels/SheepShaver_Help/Downloads/SheepShaver_05_01_2008_UB.zip>
>

-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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From sthiessen at passitonservices.org  Fri Jan  4 13:55:09 2008
From: sthiessen at passitonservices.org (Stuart Thiessen)
Date: Fri Jan  4 13:55:36 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Re: [MacLaw] Classic Support for Power PCs & intel
	too
In-Reply-To: <p06240825c3a4382f857b@[10.0.1.200]>
References: <p06240825c3a4382f857b@[10.0.1.200]>
Message-ID: <D6084169-7EC4-468F-8F3D-E17CB42E0400@passitonservices.org>

I downloaded it to try it out. It opens and then it closes. I went to  
the website but nothing specific for running it on a Mac.

Stuart

On 4 Jan 2008, at 13:23 , Victoria L. Herring wrote:

>>
>> miprobatelawyer wrote:
>>
>> >I understand that Classic apps can be used under Leopard with
>> >Sheepshaver. It appears that the program only works with Intel macs,
>> >however. Is there something available that will allow me to use
>> >Classic apps on a PowerBook G4 and PowerPC IMac G5? Thanks in
>> >advance!
>>
>> Sheepshaver will work with PowerPC computers. I understand that the
>> 02 January 2008 build is Intel-only, but that earlier versions will
>> run on a PowerPC computer. Also, there is a version dated 05 January
>> 2008 that is apparently a Universal Binary, capable of running on
>> either Intel or Power PC Macs.
>> <http://www.open.ou.nl/hsp/Engels/SheepShaver_Help/Downloads/SheepShaver_05_01_2008_UB.zip 
>> >
>
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights,   
> Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph.  
> 515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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From vlh at herringlaw.com  Fri Jan  4 14:50:20 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Fri Jan  4 14:51:53 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Re: [MacLaw] Classic Support for Power PCs &
	intel 	too
In-Reply-To: <D6084169-7EC4-468F-8F3D-E17CB42E0400@passitonservices.org>
References: <p06240825c3a4382f857b@[10.0.1.200]>
	<D6084169-7EC4-468F-8F3D-E17CB42E0400@passitonservices.org>
Message-ID: <p06240832c3a44c5f40bd@[10.0.1.200]>

I don't use SheepShaver but it is precisely created for running on a 
Mac = I don't know anything else other than various Mac lawyers use 
it....if you want I can refer your issue to him but maybe you should 
contact the developer?
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From bill.davis at gmail.com  Fri Jan  4 17:03:34 2008
From: bill.davis at gmail.com (Bill Davis)
Date: Fri Jan  4 17:03:57 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Re: [MacLaw] Classic Support for Power PCs & intel
	too
In-Reply-To: <p06240825c3a4382f857b@10.0.1.200>
References: <p06240825c3a4382f857b@10.0.1.200>
Message-ID: <e734c8cd0801041503t2f9ee21cg5585d621f66b1c42@mail.gmail.com>

>
>   Is there something available that will allow me to use
> >Classic apps on a PowerBook G4 and PowerPC IMac G5? Thanks in
> >advance!
>
> Eh?  NOTHING extra is needed to let you run Classic Apps on PowerPC.  It's
built into all version of OS X from 10.0 to 10.5.   You just have to install
Mac OS 9, and if you have a machine that will run OS 9 at all then it was
provided with your machine (I think). At worst you might have to get a copy
of Mac OS 9 from someone in the MUG or from Apple.   If you need some
earlier version of Mac OS (1-8) then you'd probably have to use something
like Sheepshaver or another Mac emulator, since I don't think the built in
Classic support in OS X supports Classic Mac OS versions before 9.x (9.2 I
think).

By the way, there's a further deliniation; are you talking about 680x0
processor apps, or PowerPC processor apps under Classic?

Out of curiosity, What do you need to run under Classic, anyway?  I haven't
used Classic at all in years.  I don't think I even started it more than
once or twice on my PowerPC G4 laptop, replaced over a year ago.

 - Bill
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From bill.davis at gmail.com  Fri Jan  4 17:04:33 2008
From: bill.davis at gmail.com (Bill Davis)
Date: Fri Jan  4 17:04:57 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Re: [MacLaw] Classic Support for Power PCs & intel
	too
In-Reply-To: <D6084169-7EC4-468F-8F3D-E17CB42E0400@passitonservices.org>
References: <p06240825c3a4382f857b@10.0.1.200>
	<D6084169-7EC4-468F-8F3D-E17CB42E0400@passitonservices.org>
Message-ID: <e734c8cd0801041504r1cd7f488x596e9ede9366fa8b@mail.gmail.com>

Have you read the instructions; it most likely will not do ANYTHING by just
downloading and double-clicking.  You'll have to have a disk image with
Classic Mac OS (probably 9) on it.

 - Bill


On 1/4/08, Stuart Thiessen <sthiessen@passitonservices.org> wrote:
>
> I downloaded it to try it out. It opens and then it closes. I went to the
> website but nothing specific for running it on a Mac.
>
> Stuart
>
>  On 4 Jan 2008, at 13:23 , Victoria L. Herring wrote:
>
>
> miprobatelawyer wrote:
>
> >I understand that Classic apps can be used under Leopard with
> >Sheepshaver. It appears that the program only works with Intel macs,
> >however. Is there something available that will allow me to use
> >Classic apps on a PowerBook G4 and PowerPC IMac G5? Thanks in
> >advance!
>
> Sheepshaver will work with PowerPC computers. I understand that the
> 02 January 2008 build is Intel-only, but that earlier versions will
> run on a PowerPC computer. Also, there is a version dated 05 January
> 2008 that is apparently a Universal Binary, capable of running on
> either Intel or Power PC Macs.
>
> <http://www.open.ou.nl/hsp/Engels/SheepShaver_Help/Downloads/SheepSha
> ver_05_01_2008_UB.zip>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> *Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa* -  Civil rights,
> Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph.
> 515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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(515) 270-6729 home
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From bill.davis at gmail.com  Fri Jan  4 17:07:08 2008
From: bill.davis at gmail.com (Bill Davis)
Date: Fri Jan  4 17:07:31 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Re: [MacLaw] Classic Support for Power PCs & intel
	too
In-Reply-To: <e734c8cd0801041503t2f9ee21cg5585d621f66b1c42@mail.gmail.com>
References: <p06240825c3a4382f857b@10.0.1.200>
	<e734c8cd0801041503t2f9ee21cg5585d621f66b1c42@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e734c8cd0801041507q4a563806wfbd79f33b62260a0@mail.gmail.com>

A followup.   By "install Mac OS 9" I don't mean you have to BOOT Mac OS 9
(although that's a possibility too, on some machines).  No, what I mean is
that you can run OS 9 and OS X apps simulataneously.  Sort of like how
Parallels or VMWare lets you run Mac OS X and Windows apps at the same time,
even with interleaved Windows (Parallels calls it Coherence, I forget what
VMWare calls it).

And bear in mind that this doesn't mean that you can run all Mac OS apps
since the beginning of time.   680x0 processor apps especially may not
work.  Though there are emulator for just 680x0 Macs out there too.

 - Bill

On 1/4/08, Bill Davis <bill.davis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>    Is there something available that will allow me to use
> > >Classic apps on a PowerBook G4 and PowerPC IMac G5? Thanks in
> > >advance!
> >
> > Eh?  NOTHING extra is needed to let you run Classic Apps on PowerPC.
> It's built into all version of OS X from 10.0 to 10.5.   You just have to
> install Mac OS 9, and if you have a machine that will run OS 9 at all then
> it was provided with your machine (I think). At worst you might have to get
> a copy of Mac OS 9 from someone in the MUG or from Apple.   If you need some
> earlier version of Mac OS (1-8) then you'd probably have to use something
> like Sheepshaver or another Mac emulator, since I don't think the built in
> Classic support in OS X supports Classic Mac OS versions before 9.x (9.2 I
> think).
>
> By the way, there's a further deliniation; are you talking about 680x0
> processor apps, or PowerPC processor apps under Classic?
>
> Out of curiosity, What do you need to run under Classic, anyway?  I
> haven't used Classic at all in years.  I don't think I even started it more
> than once or twice on my PowerPC G4 laptop, replaced over a year ago.
>
>  - Bill
>
>



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5214 Meredith Dr.
Des Moines, IA 50310-2956
(515) 270-6729 home
(515) 360-0445 mobile
(515) 281-7302 work
(515) 249-3432 work mobile
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From bill.davis at gmail.com  Fri Jan  4 17:13:32 2008
From: bill.davis at gmail.com (Bill Davis)
Date: Fri Jan  4 17:13:56 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Re: [MacLaw] Classic Support for Power PCs & intel
	too
In-Reply-To: <p06240825c3a4382f857b@10.0.1.200>
References: <p06240825c3a4382f857b@10.0.1.200>
Message-ID: <e734c8cd0801041513i4792916dk773cd87783b51b98@mail.gmail.com>

More detail at

http://www.apple.com/support/tiger/classic/



On 1/4/08, Victoria L. Herring <vlh@herringlaw.com> wrote:
>
>
> miprobatelawyer wrote:
>
> >I understand that Classic apps can be used under Leopard with
> >Sheepshaver. It appears that the program only works with Intel macs,
> >however. Is there something available that will allow me to use
> >Classic apps on a PowerBook G4 and PowerPC IMac G5? Thanks in
> >advance!
>
> Sheepshaver will work with PowerPC computers. I understand that the
> 02 January 2008 build is Intel-only, but that earlier versions will
> run on a PowerPC computer. Also, there is a version dated 05 January
> 2008 that is apparently a Universal Binary, capable of running on
> either Intel or Power PC Macs.
>
> <http://www.open.ou.nl/hsp/Engels/SheepShaver_Help/Downloads/SheepSha
> ver_05_01_2008_UB.zip>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> *Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa* -  Civil rights,
> Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph.
> 515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
>
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5214 Meredith Dr.
Des Moines, IA 50310-2956
(515) 270-6729 home
(515) 360-0445 mobile
(515) 281-7302 work
(515) 249-3432 work mobile
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From sthiessen at passitonservices.org  Fri Jan  4 17:15:31 2008
From: sthiessen at passitonservices.org (=?utf-8?B?U3R1YXJ0IFRoaWVzc2Vu?=)
Date: Fri Jan  4 17:16:31 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Re: [MacLaw] Classic Support for Power PCs &
	inteltoo
In-Reply-To: <e734c8cd0801041503t2f9ee21cg5585d621f66b1c42@mail.gmail.com>
References: <p06240825c3a4382f857b@10.0.1.200><e734c8cd0801041503t2f9ee21cg5585d621f66b1c42@mail.gmail.com>
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Leopard doesn't allow OS9 to work. As of last I checked.

Stuart
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Bill Davis" <bill.davis@gmail.com>

Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 17:03:34 
To:"Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug@dmmug.org>
Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Re: [MacLaw] Classic Support for Power PCs & intel
	too


?Is there something available that will allow me to use
>Classic apps on a PowerBook G4 and PowerPC IMac G5? Thanks in
>advance! 
Eh???NOTHING extra?is needed to let you run Classic Apps on PowerPC.? It's built into all version of OS X from 10.0 to 10.5.?? You just have to install Mac OS 9, and if you have a machine that will run OS 9 at all then it was provided with your machine (I think). At worst you might have to get a copy of Mac OS 9 from someone in the MUG or from Apple.?? If you need some earlier version of Mac OS (1-8) then you'd probably have to use something like Sheepshaver or another Mac emulator,?since I don't think the built in Classic support in OS X supports Classic Mac OS versions before 9.x (9.2 I think). 
? 
By the way, there's a further deliniation; are you talking about 680x0 processor apps, or PowerPC processor apps under Classic? 
? 
Out of curiosity, What do you need to run under Classic, anyway?? I haven't used Classic at all in years.? I don't think I even started it more than once or twice on my PowerPC G4 laptop, replaced over a year ago. 
? 
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From sthiessen at passitonservices.org  Fri Jan  4 17:16:43 2008
From: sthiessen at passitonservices.org (=?utf-8?B?U3R1YXJ0IFRoaWVzc2Vu?=)
Date: Fri Jan  4 17:17:46 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Re: [MacLaw] Classic Support for Power PCs &
	inteltoo
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References: <p06240825c3a4382f857b@10.0.1.200><D6084169-7EC4-468F-8F3D-E17CB42E0400@passitonservices.org><e734c8cd0801041504r1cd7f488x596e9ede9366fa8b@mail.gmail.com>
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All instructions are for Intel based machines afaik.

Stuart
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Bill Davis" <bill.davis@gmail.com>

Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 17:04:33 
To:"Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug@dmmug.org>
Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Re: [MacLaw] Classic Support for Power PCs & intel
	too


Have you read the instructions; it most likely will not do ANYTHING by just downloading and double-clicking.? You'll have to have a disk image with Classic Mac OS (probably 9) on it. 
? 
?- Bill

? 
On 1/4/08, Stuart Thiessen <sthiessen@passitonservices.org <mailto:sthiessen@passitonservices.org> > wrote: 
I downloaded it to try it out. It opens and then it closes. I went to the website but nothing specific for running it on a Mac. 

? 
Stuart 

 
 
 
On 4 Jan 2008, at 13:23 , Victoria L. Herring wrote:
 
 
miprobatelawyer wrote:

>I understand that Classic apps can be used under Leopard with
>Sheepshaver. It appears that the program only works with Intel macs, 
>however. Is there something available that will allow me to use
>Classic apps on a PowerBook G4 and PowerPC IMac G5? Thanks in
>advance!

Sheepshaver will work with PowerPC computers. I understand that the 
02 January 2008 build is Intel-only, but that earlier versions will
run on a PowerPC computer. Also, there is a version dated 05 January
2008 that is apparently a Universal Binary, capable of running on
either Intel or Power PC Macs. 
 <
 <http://www.open.ou.nl/hsp/Engels/SheepShaver_Help/Downloads/SheepShaver_05_01_2008_UB.zip> http://www.open.ou.nl/hsp/Engels/SheepShaver_Help/Downloads/SheepShaver_05_01_2008_UB.zip>
 

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From bill.davis at gmail.com  Fri Jan  4 17:25:32 2008
From: bill.davis at gmail.com (Bill Davis)
Date: Fri Jan  4 17:26:01 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Re: [MacLaw] Classic Support for Power PCs &
	inteltoo
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References: <p06240825c3a4382f857b@10.0.1.200>
	<e734c8cd0801041503t2f9ee21cg5585d621f66b1c42@mail.gmail.com>
	<1913347339-1199488567-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-302525996-@bxe116.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <e734c8cd0801041525y39bf2f14h1b452cdff4bd5a81@mail.gmail.com>

My mistake.  I'd forgotten that they dropped Classic support in
10.5(Leopard).  I probably forgot because I haven't cared about
Classic in about
3-4 years....  But if you have 10.0 thru 10.4 (Tiger) and are running a
PowerPC chip then you can run most Classic apps inside OS X, you just need
to install Mac OS 9.

The only reason you need a Mac emulator like SheepShaver or Basilik or
PearPC or vMac is if:

- You're running an Intel mac
- or you're under 10.5 (Intel or PowerPC)
- or you have some really old Mac OS 9 or earlier app that won't work right
under Classic.
- or you're not running on a Mac at all (which is why Basilik and
SheepShaver and such were mostly created).

>From the earlier part of the conversation it sounded like people were saying
you needed SheepShaver to run Classic apps on PowerPC.  Not true; only under
10.5 would you need that.

 - Bill


On 1/4/08, Stuart Thiessen <sthiessen@passitonservices.org> wrote:
>
> Leopard doesn't allow OS9 to work. As of last I checked.
>
> Stuart
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Bill Davis" <bill.davis@gmail.com>
>
> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 17:03:34
> To:"Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug@dmmug.org>
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Re: [MacLaw] Classic Support for Power PCs &
> intel
>        too
>
>
> Is there something available that will allow me to use
> >Classic apps on a PowerBook G4 and PowerPC IMac G5? Thanks in
> >advance!
> Eh?NOTHING extrais needed to let you run Classic Apps on PowerPC. It's
> built into all version of OS X from 10.0 to 10.5. You just have to install
> Mac OS 9, and if you have a machine that will run OS 9 at all then it was
> provided with your machine (I think). At worst you might have to get a copy
> of Mac OS 9 from someone in the MUG or from Apple. If you need some earlier
> version of Mac OS (1-8) then you'd probably have to use something like
> Sheepshaver or another Mac emulator,since I don't think the built in Classic
> support in OS X supports Classic Mac OS versions before 9.x (9.2 I think).
>
> By the way, there's a further deliniation; are you talking about 680x0
> processor apps, or PowerPC processor apps under Classic?
>
> Out of curiosity, What do you need to run under Classic, anyway? I haven't
> used Classic at all in years. I don't think I even started it more than once
> or twice on my PowerPC G4 laptop, replaced over a year ago.
>
> - Bill
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From sthiessen at passitonservices.org  Fri Jan  4 17:49:33 2008
From: sthiessen at passitonservices.org (=?utf-8?B?U3R1YXJ0IFRoaWVzc2Vu?=)
Date: Fri Jan  4 17:50:36 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Re: [MacLaw] Classic Support for Power PCs &
	inteltoo
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	<e734c8cd0801041503t2f9ee21cg5585d621f66b1c42@mail.gmail.com>
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I'm on 10.5 PPC and I have one program that I have to use for my job that only works on Windows or Classic. I didn't know about Classic dropping until after I installed Leopard. So I was hoping this might work. But the instructions are not clear how to use it in my situation.

Thanks,

Stuart
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Bill Davis" <bill.davis@gmail.com>

Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 17:25:32 
To:sthiessen@passitonservices.org, "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug@dmmug.org>
Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Re: [MacLaw] Classic Support for Power PCs & inteltoo


My mistake.? I'd forgotten that they dropped Classic support?in 10.5 (Leopard).? I probably forgot because I haven't cared about Classic in about 3-4 years....? But if you have 10.0 thru 10.4?(Tiger)?and are running a PowerPC chip then you can run most Classic apps inside OS X, you just need to install Mac OS 9.?? 
? 
The only reason you need a Mac emulator like SheepShaver or Basilik or PearPC or vMac?is if: 
? 
- You're running an Intel mac 
- or you're under 10.5 (Intel or PowerPC) 
- or you have some really old Mac OS 9 or earlier app that won't work right under Classic. 
- or you're not running on a Mac at all (which is why Basilik and SheepShaver and such were mostly created). 
? 
From the earlier part of the conversation it sounded like people were saying you needed SheepShaver to run Classic apps on PowerPC.? Not true; only under 10.5 would you need that. 
? 
?- Bill 

? 
On 1/4/08, Stuart Thiessen <sthiessen@passitonservices.org <mailto:sthiessen@passitonservices.org> > wrote: Leopard doesn't allow OS9 to work. As of last I checked.

Stuart
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Bill Davis" <bill.davis@gmail.com
 <mailto:bill.davis@gmail.com> >

Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 17:03:34
To:"Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug@dmmug.org <mailto:dmmug@dmmug.org> >
Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Re: [MacLaw] Classic Support for Power PCs & intel 
?????? too


Is there something available that will allow me to use
>Classic apps on a PowerBook G4 and PowerPC IMac G5? Thanks in
>advance!
Eh?NOTHING extrais needed to let you run Classic Apps on PowerPC. It's built into all version of OS X from 10.0 to 10.5. You just have to install Mac OS 9, and if you have a machine that will run OS 9 at all then it was provided with your machine (I think). At worst you might have to get a copy of Mac OS 9 from someone in the MUG or from Apple. If you need some earlier version of Mac OS (1-8) then you'd probably have to use something like Sheepshaver or another Mac emulator,since I don't think the built in Classic support in OS X supports Classic Mac OS versions before 9.x (9.2 I think).

By the way, there's a further deliniation; are you talking about 680x0 processor apps, or PowerPC processor apps under Classic?

Out of curiosity, What do you need to run under Classic, anyway? I haven't used Classic at all in years. I don't think I even started it more than once or twice on my PowerPC G4 laptop, replaced over a year ago. 

- Bill
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From vlh at herringlaw.com  Sat Jan  5 05:24:53 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sat Jan  5 05:32:28 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Apple User Group offers etc. - batteries
Message-ID: <p06240853c3a5193f44c1@[10.0.1.200]>

As the presdient, I'm the ambassador also and get offers and info at 
times from various Apple vendors and will either pass them along on 
this listserver or on the Website or both.  Here's one that expires 
on the 18th of January.


Batteries to Power Your Macintosh
(from the Apple User Group Bulletin)
Every Macintosh computer contains a small battery that powers its 
built-in clock and stores settings. These batteries are vital to the 
operation of your system, so you should keep a spare handy.
Now you can buy these hard-to-find replacement batteries at a special 
user group discount. AWUG's lithium batteries have a ten-year shelf 
life and are identical to or better than the original battery in your 
desktop Macintosh. Each battery comes with complete installation 
directions
Select from iMac/PowerMac/eMac batteries for only $7.00 (US) or 
Performa/Quadra 630-series batteries for $10.95 (US), a substantial 
discount from the standard prices of $14.00 (US) and $18.95 (US) 
respectively. Batteries are not available for PowerBook, iBook or G5 
or Intel iMac.
Normal Price: Varies
UG Price: Varies
User Group Discount information available to:
	*	MUG Members: Contacting your Macintosh User Group 
Leader or Ambassador
	*	MUG Leaders: By contacting their Apple Regional 
Liaison team member.
Availability: Global
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From vlh at herringlaw.com  Sun Jan  6 12:23:11 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sun Jan  6 12:23:40 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] where is iCal data so I can restore from Time Machine?
Message-ID: <p06240808c3a6cd0851d9@[10.0.1.200]>

posted already to Discussions, no answer yet and I need to get the 
fix done today ==

I have been having trouble with alarms not working so, following 
discussion here elsewhere, I did a BackUp of the iCal and then 
deleted all calendars and then quit it and did a REstore = but am 
missing lots of the To Do items that were there and lots of past data 
ref. events and etc. plus upcoming data == so I then did a Sync to 
reset it, no dice, nothing added, then did a reset sync to overwrite 
the computer iCal with .Mac = nothing new added....I went to other 
machine and it has lots of the data not all but maybe enough thru 
syncing yesterday....but before I use that thought I would use 
TimeMachine to just find what I need and bring it back from an 
hour[plus] ago = that'll be just fine

well where do I find what I need to Restore via TimeMachine? I looked 
in my user folder and Library but not certain that's all = don't see 
everything all the calendars appear there but dates and events are 
missing and lots of To Dos are missing

A TimeMachine restore from Sat. morning would work just fine....where 
do I find what I need/want to restore?
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From thorgrim at mindspring.com  Sun Jan  6 15:32:15 2008
From: thorgrim at mindspring.com (Thorgrim)
Date: Sun Jan  6 15:32:40 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] New dmmug Website
Message-ID: <A9885DD0-5FF7-4998-99F4-2E91C96F350C@mindspring.com>

I have just released a new version of the http://dmmug.org/ website.

It is simple at the moment but I have changes and ideas I will  
implement in the next few months.

Please feel free to send your comments and suggestions.

David D. McLaughlin
webmaster@dmmug.org
From vlh at herringlaw.com  Sun Jan  6 15:53:27 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sun Jan  6 16:00:33 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] New dmmug Website
In-Reply-To: <A9885DD0-5FF7-4998-99F4-2E91C96F350C@mindspring.com>
References: <A9885DD0-5FF7-4998-99F4-2E91C96F350C@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <p06240804c3a6fe48a145@[10.0.1.200]>

GREAT start....clean, easy and helpful...Thanks so much!!!
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From darcybaston at mac.com  Sun Jan  6 16:05:00 2008
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Sun Jan  6 16:05:26 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] iPhoto lost its mind recently
Message-ID: <D25D4596-9B5B-4F31-854F-D8A1370EAED2@mac.com>

I took this video. It was so funny while it was happening. I had to  
force quit to get it to stop.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNgxx_IH2uk
From maccelerate at earthlink.net  Sun Jan  6 16:29:13 2008
From: maccelerate at earthlink.net (Matthew W.)
Date: Sun Jan  6 16:29:38 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] iPhoto lost its mind recently
In-Reply-To: <D25D4596-9B5B-4F31-854F-D8A1370EAED2@mac.com>
References: <D25D4596-9B5B-4F31-854F-D8A1370EAED2@mac.com>
Message-ID: <60DE804B-634E-4397-9630-C944104E7CDF@earthlink.net>

You're doing a nice job of ensuring I feel good about my decision to  
avoid 10.5.

Mw

On Jan 6, 2008, at 4:05 PM, Darcy Baston wrote:

> I took this video. It was so funny while it was happening. I had to  
> force quit to get it to stop.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNgxx_IH2uk
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From darcybaston at mac.com  Sun Jan  6 16:43:23 2008
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Sun Jan  6 16:43:50 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] iPhoto lost its mind recently
In-Reply-To: <60DE804B-634E-4397-9630-C944104E7CDF@earthlink.net>
References: <D25D4596-9B5B-4F31-854F-D8A1370EAED2@mac.com>
	<60DE804B-634E-4397-9630-C944104E7CDF@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1759B014-D9E2-431F-9831-4F41755E37F2@mac.com>

You know I do it so I can be the only left with it installed, and then  
dominate the Leopard support market.

;)

On Jan 6, 2008, at 4:29 PM, Matthew W. wrote:

> You're doing a nice job of ensuring I feel good about my decision to  
> avoid 10.5.
>
> Mw
From maccelerate at earthlink.net  Sun Jan  6 17:23:42 2008
From: maccelerate at earthlink.net (Matthew W.)
Date: Sun Jan  6 17:24:13 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] iPhoto lost its mind recently
In-Reply-To: <1759B014-D9E2-431F-9831-4F41755E37F2@mac.com>
References: <D25D4596-9B5B-4F31-854F-D8A1370EAED2@mac.com>
	<60DE804B-634E-4397-9630-C944104E7CDF@earthlink.net>
	<1759B014-D9E2-431F-9831-4F41755E37F2@mac.com>
Message-ID: <6CB179FF-5053-4306-AA41-022C77BE364B@earthlink.net>

Support must be easy when no one else is using it ;)

I did install it on one machine to play with it. It's going to be the  
only one for some time, though I will probably power up another  
server with it, this one at home.

Mw

On Jan 6, 2008, at 4:43 PM, Darcy Baston wrote:

> You know I do it so I can be the only left with it installed, and  
> then dominate the Leopard support market.
>
> ;)
>
> On Jan 6, 2008, at 4:29 PM, Matthew W. wrote:
>
>> You're doing a nice job of ensuring I feel good about my decision  
>> to avoid 10.5.
>>
>> Mw
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From darcybaston at mac.com  Sun Jan  6 17:55:37 2008
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Sun Jan  6 17:56:02 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] iPhoto lost its mind recently
In-Reply-To: <6CB179FF-5053-4306-AA41-022C77BE364B@earthlink.net>
References: <D25D4596-9B5B-4F31-854F-D8A1370EAED2@mac.com>
	<60DE804B-634E-4397-9630-C944104E7CDF@earthlink.net>
	<1759B014-D9E2-431F-9831-4F41755E37F2@mac.com>
	<6CB179FF-5053-4306-AA41-022C77BE364B@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CC668955-6C5A-4D85-A53C-505BBA14F2F8@mac.com>

You've captured the spirit!

I'm looking forward to 10.5.2.


On Jan 6, 2008, at 5:23 PM, Matthew W. wrote:

> Support must be easy when no one else is using it ;)
>
> I did install it on one machine to play with it. It's going to be  
> the only one for some time, though I will probably power up another  
> server with it, this one at home.
>
> Mw
From asgreen at raccoon.com  Sun Jan  6 20:31:26 2008
From: asgreen at raccoon.com (Allen Green)
Date: Sun Jan  6 20:32:29 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Desktop problem
In-Reply-To: <CC668955-6C5A-4D85-A53C-505BBA14F2F8@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C3A6EB1E.9CB0%asgreen@raccoon.com>

I have a customer who has this problem:
Every time she opens any of her mail items the computer places an alias of
the message on her desktop.  It is driving her crazy and junking up her
desktop.  Probably an easy solution but I don't know what it is.  If you can
help, thank you!
Allen Green

From bill.davis at gmail.com  Sun Jan  6 20:56:08 2008
From: bill.davis at gmail.com (Bill Davis)
Date: Sun Jan  6 20:56:30 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] where is iCal data so I can restore from Time Machine?
In-Reply-To: <p06240808c3a6cd0851d9@10.0.1.200>
References: <p06240808c3a6cd0851d9@10.0.1.200>
Message-ID: <e734c8cd0801061856t5dce24e5yab7762bca7302b7a@mail.gmail.com>

I am not a Leopard user yet but I think you just want to bring up Time
Machine while in iCal and restore from there.

On 1/6/08, Victoria L. Herring <vlh@herringlaw.com> wrote:
> posted already to Discussions, no answer yet and I need to get the
> fix done today ==
>
> I have been having trouble with alarms not working so, following
> discussion here elsewhere, I did a BackUp of the iCal and then
> deleted all calendars and then quit it and did a REstore = but am
> missing lots of the To Do items that were there and lots of past data
> ref. events and etc. plus upcoming data == so I then did a Sync to
> reset it, no dice, nothing added, then did a reset sync to overwrite
> the computer iCal with .Mac = nothing new added....I went to other
> machine and it has lots of the data not all but maybe enough thru
> syncing yesterday....but before I use that thought I would use
> TimeMachine to just find what I need and bring it back from an
> hour[plus] ago = that'll be just fine
>
> well where do I find what I need to Restore via TimeMachine? I looked
> in my user folder and Library but not certain that's all = don't see
> everything all the calendars appear there but dates and events are
> missing and lots of To Dos are missing
>
> A TimeMachine restore from Sat. morning would work just fine....where
> do I find what I need/want to restore?
> --
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights,
> Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph.
> 515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.


-- 
Bill Davis
5214 Meredith Dr.
Des Moines, IA 50310-2956
(515) 270-6729 home
(515) 360-0445 mobile
(515) 281-7302 work
(515) 249-3432 work mobile
bill.davis@gmail.com   home
bill.davis@iowa.gov      work
From cwsmith7 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  6 20:58:04 2008
From: cwsmith7 at gmail.com (CW Smith)
Date: Sun Jan  6 20:58:29 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Desktop problem
In-Reply-To: <C3A6EB1E.9CB0%asgreen@raccoon.com>
References: <CC668955-6C5A-4D85-A53C-505BBA14F2F8@mac.com>
	<C3A6EB1E.9CB0%asgreen@raccoon.com>
Message-ID: <a82e75f90801061858j7769304j9e658cab84b54ea9@mail.gmail.com>

A couple questions:
How does your customer view her email? Using Mail.app, Entourage,
Thunderbird or some other mail client? Or is this webmail (like Yahoo mail)
via a web browser? (Which browser?)

Which version of Mac OS is she using: Leopard, Tiger, Panther, Jaguar? Some
older Mac OS?

Have you tried the quick fixes like repairing permissions, or resetting
Safari?

Any other information that we can use to track this problem down?

Peace,
CW

On Jan 6, 2008 8:31 PM, Allen Green <asgreen@raccoon.com> wrote:

> I have a customer who has this problem:
> Every time she opens any of her mail items the computer places an alias of
> the message on her desktop.  It is driving her crazy and junking up her
> desktop.  Probably an easy solution but I don't know what it is.  If you
> can
> help, thank you!
> Allen Green
>
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> DMMUG@dmmug.org
> Use this page to modify subscription options:
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>



-- 
Curt (CW) Smith
Musician, Composer, Producer, Technician

Personal: cwsmith7@gmail.com
Technical: cw@gohaddock.com
Musical: cwsmith@spymac.com
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From asgreen at raccoon.com  Mon Jan  7 07:59:29 2008
From: asgreen at raccoon.com (Allen Green)
Date: Mon Jan  7 08:00:06 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Desktop problem
In-Reply-To: <a82e75f90801061858j7769304j9e658cab84b54ea9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C3A78C61.9CD1%asgreen@raccoon.com>

Further information received from the customer:
OSX
Doesn't occur when I use Entourage.  Occurs when I open attachments from my
Mediacom e-mail program.
In Firefox, at the bottom of the Downloads screen it says: All files
downloaded to Desktop.
I just don't see where to change that.  Even if I could automatically
download them into a specific file on the desktop, just to manage them, that
would be workable.

> A couple questions:
> 
> How does your customer view her email? Using Mail.app, Entourage, Thunderbird
> or some other mail client? Or is this webmail (like Yahoo mail) via a web
> browser? (Which browser?)
> 
> Which version of Mac OS is she using: Leopard, Tiger, Panther, Jaguar? Some
> older Mac OS?
> 
> Have you tried the quick fixes like repairing permissions, or resetting
> Safari? 
> 
> Any other information that we can use to track this problem down?
> 
> Peace,
> CW
> 
> On Jan 6, 2008 8:31 PM, Allen Green <asgreen@raccoon.com> wrote:
>> I have a customer who has this problem:
>> Every time she opens any of her mail items the computer places an alias of
>> the message on her desktop.  It is driving her crazy and junking up her
>> desktop.  Probably an easy solution but I don't know what it is.  If you can
>> help, thank you!
>> Allen Green
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> DMMUG mailing list
>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>> DMMUG@dmmug.org
>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
> 
> 


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From vlh at herringlaw.com  Mon Jan  7 09:19:00 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Mon Jan  7 09:22:52 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] where is iCal data so I can restore from Time
 Machine?
In-Reply-To: <e734c8cd0801061856t5dce24e5yab7762bca7302b7a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <p06240808c3a6cd0851d9@10.0.1.200>
	<e734c8cd0801061856t5dce24e5yab7762bca7302b7a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06240801c3a7f2d1ba96@[10.0.1.200]>

>I am not a Leopard user yet but I think you just want to bring up Time
>Machine while in iCal and restore from there.

I tried that and still didn't get back the todos === I even went back 
to 3-4 days ago...I have since reinstalled iCal fully on my machine 
[using Pacifist] and resynced and updated it manually and will watch 
it  - don't have time now to worry or figure out the iCal or TM 
issues....
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From cwsmith7 at gmail.com  Mon Jan  7 09:37:09 2008
From: cwsmith7 at gmail.com (CW Smith)
Date: Mon Jan  7 09:37:34 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Desktop problem
In-Reply-To: <C3A78C61.9CD1%asgreen@raccoon.com>
References: <a82e75f90801061858j7769304j9e658cab84b54ea9@mail.gmail.com>
	<C3A78C61.9CD1%asgreen@raccoon.com>
Message-ID: <a82e75f90801070737q768633batb80be57c6101b5b3@mail.gmail.com>

>
> OSX
>

Okay, but which version? 10.2, 10.3, 10.4, 10.5? Could be important

>
> Occurs when I open attachments from my Mediacom e-mail program.
>

?!? Mail.app? Thunderbird? Viewing from a browser (Safari, Firefox,
Netscape, AOL)? Mediacom doesn't supply their own email client. You can use
one of the programs I've listed (or similar ones), or you can view your mail
from your Internet browser. That's pretty much it. Judging by the next
snippet, I'll presume we're viewing from Firefox.

>
> In Firefox, at the bottom of the Downloads screen it says: All files
> downloaded to Desktop.
> I just don't see where to change that.  Even if I could automatically
> download them into a specific file on the desktop, just to manage them, that
> would be workable.
>

Go to Firefox>Preferences and click the "Main" tab. Immediately to the left
of the "Save files to 'Desktop'" dialog is a button marked "Choose." Click
that and point to where you want downloads to go. You can create a new
folder if necessary by clicking the "New Folder" button once you're at the
place you'd like the new folder to appear.

Again, have you repaired permissions? Are all Mac OS updates up-to-date? Is
Firefox up-to-date?

>
>
-- 
Curt (CW) Smith
Musician, Composer, Producer, Technician

Personal: cwsmith7@gmail.com
Technical: cw@gohaddock.com
Musical: cwsmith@spymac.com
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From maccelerate at earthlink.net  Wed Jan  9 21:52:30 2008
From: maccelerate at earthlink.net (Matthew W.)
Date: Wed Jan  9 21:53:05 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Desktop problem
In-Reply-To: <C3A78C61.9CD1%asgreen@raccoon.com>
References: <C3A78C61.9CD1%asgreen@raccoon.com>
Message-ID: <FDF31183-EA17-4B4D-B0B4-FB305BDB222D@earthlink.net>

This is expected behavior. All attachments will be downloads when  
using a Web client. Mediacom only provides access to their account  
through the Web, or by normally configured e-mail client software  
(Enter-rage, Mail, Eudora, etc.)

If this user changes the location of the default downloads, not only  
will attachments populate this folder, each normal download, whether  
it be software, images, or mail attachments, will end up in this  
folder. I would recommend setting up Enter-rage to pick up mchsi mail.

Mw

On Jan 7, 2008, at 7:59 AM, Allen Green wrote:

> Further information received from the customer:
> OSX
> Doesn't occur when I use Entourage.  Occurs when I open attachments  
> from my Mediacom e-mail program.
> In Firefox, at the bottom of the Downloads screen it says: All  
> files downloaded to Desktop.
> I just don't see where to change that.  Even if I could  
> automatically download them into a specific file on the desktop,  
> just to manage them, that would be workable.
>
>> A couple questions:
>>
>> How does your customer view her email? Using Mail.app, Entourage,  
>> Thunderbird or some other mail client? Or is this webmail (like  
>> Yahoo mail) via a web browser? (Which browser?)
>>
>> Which version of Mac OS is she using: Leopard, Tiger, Panther,  
>> Jaguar? Some older Mac OS?
>>
>> Have you tried the quick fixes like repairing permissions, or  
>> resetting Safari?
>>
>> Any other information that we can use to track this problem down?
>>
>> Peace,
>> CW
>>
>> On Jan 6, 2008 8:31 PM, Allen Green <asgreen@raccoon.com> wrote:
>>> I have a customer who has this problem:
>>> Every time she opens any of her mail items the computer places an  
>>> alias of
>>> the message on her desktop.  It is driving her crazy and junking  
>>> up her
>>> desktop.  Probably an easy solution but I don't know what it is.   
>>> If you can
>>> help, thank you!
>>> Allen Green
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> DMMUG mailing list
>>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>>> DMMUG@dmmug.org
>>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> DMMUG@dmmug.org
> Use this page to modify subscription options:
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug

From asgreen at raccoon.com  Wed Jan  9 21:58:19 2008
From: asgreen at raccoon.com (Allen Green)
Date: Wed Jan  9 21:58:49 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Desktop problem
In-Reply-To: <FDF31183-EA17-4B4D-B0B4-FB305BDB222D@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <C3AAF3FB.9DF6%asgreen@raccoon.com>

Thanks to all of you.  Your advice solved the problem and you will probably
get a new DMUG member.
Allen Green


On 1/9/08 9:52 PM, "Matthew W." <maccelerate@earthlink.net> wrote:

> This is expected behavior. All attachments will be downloads when
> using a Web client. Mediacom only provides access to their account
> through the Web, or by normally configured e-mail client software
> (Enter-rage, Mail, Eudora, etc.)
> 
> If this user changes the location of the default downloads, not only
> will attachments populate this folder, each normal download, whether
> it be software, images, or mail attachments, will end up in this
> folder. I would recommend setting up Enter-rage to pick up mchsi mail.
> 
> Mw
> 
> On Jan 7, 2008, at 7:59 AM, Allen Green wrote:
> 
>> Further information received from the customer:
>> OSX
>> Doesn't occur when I use Entourage.  Occurs when I open attachments
>> from my Mediacom e-mail program.
>> In Firefox, at the bottom of the Downloads screen it says: All
>> files downloaded to Desktop.
>> I just don't see where to change that.  Even if I could
>> automatically download them into a specific file on the desktop,
>> just to manage them, that would be workable.
>> 
>>> A couple questions:
>>> 
>>> How does your customer view her email? Using Mail.app, Entourage,
>>> Thunderbird or some other mail client? Or is this webmail (like
>>> Yahoo mail) via a web browser? (Which browser?)
>>> 
>>> Which version of Mac OS is she using: Leopard, Tiger, Panther,
>>> Jaguar? Some older Mac OS?
>>> 
>>> Have you tried the quick fixes like repairing permissions, or
>>> resetting Safari?
>>> 
>>> Any other information that we can use to track this problem down?
>>> 
>>> Peace,
>>> CW
>>> 
>>> On Jan 6, 2008 8:31 PM, Allen Green <asgreen@raccoon.com> wrote:
>>>> I have a customer who has this problem:
>>>> Every time she opens any of her mail items the computer places an
>>>> alias of
>>>> the message on her desktop.  It is driving her crazy and junking
>>>> up her
>>>> desktop.  Probably an easy solution but I don't know what it is.
>>>> If you can
>>>> help, thank you!
>>>> Allen Green
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> DMMUG mailing list
>>>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>>>> DMMUG@dmmug.org
>>>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> DMMUG mailing list
>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>> DMMUG@dmmug.org
>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
> 
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> DMMUG@dmmug.org
> Use this page to modify subscription options:
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From homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net  Thu Jan 10 10:27:57 2008
From: homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net (Roses Derise)
Date: Thu Jan 10 10:29:18 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Anyone want to sell a wireless keyboard?
Message-ID: <C3ABA3AD.520%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>


Does anyone have a relatively new wireless keyboard (the short kind, no end
keypad) they want to sell?



From ka_klick at mac.com  Thu Jan 10 18:17:29 2008
From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker)
Date: Thu Jan 10 18:18:07 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Anyone want to sell a wireless keyboard?
In-Reply-To: <C3ABA3AD.520%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>
References: <C3ABA3AD.520%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>
Message-ID: <9CFEBA88-871E-43BB-B992-A765F538DDD9@mac.com>

I bet Haddock, the Apple Store or (if they have them left and you  
aren't worried about no returns) CompUSA have them.
I can't see the use in going used for this kind of purchase, since I  
bet they aren't going to be that much cheaper than a new one at this  
point, since the new kb's came out so recently.


On Jan 10, 2008, at 10:27 AM, Roses Derise wrote:
> Does anyone have a relatively new wireless keyboard (the short kind,  
> no end
> keypad) they want to sell?

--
Bryan "ka-klick" Baker
Singer/Songwriter
With 2 New CDs!!! See my website for details
kaklick_martin@mac.com
http://ka-klick.com


From hfwelch at mac.com  Sun Jan 13 21:24:55 2008
From: hfwelch at mac.com (Holly Welch)
Date: Sun Jan 13 21:25:23 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] January Meeting
Message-ID: <F5B791E7-EFEA-4CA1-B5BC-040F49AF9463@mac.com>

Now that we have more Mac converts than ever, it is time for us to  
talk about:

          OS X    SECURITY



Presenter: Josh More

Tuesday, January 22
7:00
Haddock Computer
801-73rd Street
Windsor Heights
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From hfwelch at mac.com  Wed Jan 16 16:42:23 2008
From: hfwelch at mac.com (Holly Welch)
Date: Wed Jan 16 16:43:03 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Help with Website
Message-ID: <1DE5B34E-D95E-48BC-AAD9-93C7974AA9EE@mac.com>

I have a friend who needs help with his website. The person who  
originally did it is no longer in the biz. He had a friend do some  
things and messed it up a little.
1. Is there someone who would be interested in doing this?
2. Can I watch?

Contact me at hfwelch@mac.com

Thanks!
Holly
From drchad at rohlfsen.com  Thu Jan 17 12:45:03 2008
From: drchad at rohlfsen.com (Chad J. Rohlfsen D.C.)
Date: Thu Jan 17 12:45:27 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Anyone interested in a creative adventure?
In-Reply-To: <20080117180003.6695B2F4A@www.cialug.org>
References: <20080117180003.6695B2F4A@www.cialug.org>
Message-ID: <DA6AAD64-836E-47C6-A74D-E544E30E807B@rohlfsen.com>

Hello All...

I've been a Mac user for nearly 75% of my lifetime.  So I'm thinking  
some of you, may be able to help.

I am a chiropractor in the Des Moines area that has developed a  
unique technique that helps people manage their stress better.  It's  
called Spinal Tuning and believe me, it's totally non invasive and  
very safe.  It's unlike anything you have ever seen before.  You can  
view some video testimonials at  http://www.rohlfsen.com   And yes,  
it is a jaw dropper...

I'm looking for three individuals with a marketing background that  
may be interested in a bit of a marketing challenge.  You don't need  
to be in the marketing profession..  Maybe you are a stay at home mom  
with degree in marketing that needs a creative outlet away from the  
kids.  That would be fine as well.  I work exclusively with Mac  
computers and have iLife 08' iWork 08'.   I am a pod-caster that  
hates to write scripts,  that  would like to have more to present to  
the public in a unique way.  I also need someone who is a good proof  
reader and can edit my raw ideas so people can make sense out of  
them. :)  Time required would be maybe a couple of meetings a month  
and you can work on the different ideas whenever it is convienient  
for you.

The practice of Spinal Tuning is really is a different way of  
approaching the problems of managing stress.   The only thing is,  
that it may be a little bit to different as you will see when you see  
the videos.  (when you see them you'll know what I mean)..  The thing  
is, I know this could have a very profound effect on health care in  
general.  I just need more than I am capable of while trying to run  
my practice and all.

I am already working with  a graphic designer and we trade services.   
What I am needing is people that would also be willing to trade  
services. If you already have a chiropractor that's fine, I'm not  
offering free chiropractic care.  Spinal Tuning helps enhance  
chiropractic adjustments, but,  you don't even need to be under then  
chiropractic care to enjoy the benefits of it, although chiropractic  
adjustments greatly enhance the experience.

If you are interested please find the contact information below.  If  
you have any questions please feel free to ask.

Thanks for your time and consideration...

Chiropractically yours,


Chad J. Rohlfsen D.C.
The Spinal Tuning Center
5525 Meredith Drive,  STE B
Des Moines,  IA  50310
515 727 4000
www.rohlfsen.com
drchad@rohlfsen.com

"Hey,  LIFE happens....    I just Adjust"





>

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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Thu Jan 17 22:22:27 2008
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Thu Jan 17 22:22:54 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Anyone interested in a creative adventure?
In-Reply-To: <DA6AAD64-836E-47C6-A74D-E544E30E807B@rohlfsen.com>
References: <20080117180003.6695B2F4A@www.cialug.org>
	<DA6AAD64-836E-47C6-A74D-E544E30E807B@rohlfsen.com>
Message-ID: <p0624062ac3b5d928576f@[10.0.1.3]>

This post is not appropriate for this list and should not have been 
made. Anyone posting like this will have all future postings 
moderated and posts will need the approval of an officer before it 
will be allowed to be posted.

At 12:45 PM -0600 1/17/08, Chad J. Rohlfsen D.C. wrote:
>Hello All...
>
>
>I am a chiropractor in the Des Moines area that has developed a 
>unique technique that helps people manage their stress better.  It's 
>called Spinal Tuning and believe me, it's totally non invasive and 
>very safe.  It's unlike anything you have ever seen before.  You can 
>view some video testimonials at 
> <http://www.rohlfsen.com>http://www.rohlfsen.com   And yes, it is a 
>jaw dropper...
>

-- 
Ray Bowler

rbowler.home.mchsi.com
From custmflrs at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 18 09:59:25 2008
From: custmflrs at yahoo.com (Keith Jackson)
Date: Fri Jan 18 09:59:48 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] next meeting
Message-ID: <470686.85317.qm@web56808.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

When's the next meeting. Keith


      ____________________________________________________________________________________
Looking for last minute shopping deals?  
Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.  http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
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From thorgrim at mindspring.com  Fri Jan 18 13:08:07 2008
From: thorgrim at mindspring.com (Thorgrim)
Date: Fri Jan 18 13:08:34 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] next meeting
In-Reply-To: <470686.85317.qm@web56808.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <470686.85317.qm@web56808.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <57704C80-DEA6-4DF8-82DA-2ABAACC47D9D@mindspring.com>

> When's the next meeting.

01/22/2008 at Haddock

You can always check out

http://www.dmmug.org/

for meeting times and locations.

David D. McLaughlin
webmaster@dmmug.org
From hfwelch at mac.com  Sat Jan 19 14:47:06 2008
From: hfwelch at mac.com (Holly Welch)
Date: Sat Jan 19 14:52:18 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Meeting Reminder
Message-ID: <D2F6E8CD-58C0-4CC5-83C3-F1B3E369DC6A@mac.com>

Tuesday, January 22
7:00
Haddock Computer

Topic: Security for your Mac!!
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From vlh at herringlaw.com  Mon Jan 21 12:49:33 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Mon Jan 21 13:01:54 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] MUG InfoManager for today...fyi
Message-ID: <p0624081cc3ba99959e79@[10.0.1.200]>

Mug InfoManager for Monday, January 21, 2008
-------------------------------------------------------------------
by Lynn Wegley, InfoManager, with coeditor Fred Showker

What's Here:
01  Explaining the Macintosh Surge 
02 Cocktail 4.0.2 (Leopard Edition)03  
03 iCalShare05  
04 Lotus Notes For iPhone
05 Leopard Rips DVDs
06 MineSweeper  
07 MySpace back in the news  
08 Labels made easy... on the Mac  
09 Apple's latest in D.C. area
10 The Digital Lifestyle  
11 Quotes - Mahatma Ghandi, Napolean Bonaparte and Maxwell Maltz

LIVE at: http://www.user-groups.net/info
                (Fred is out, so we won't have in on the 
user-groups.net this week.)

BLOG: http://www.ugnn.com/

-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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From vlh at herringlaw.com  Wed Jan 23 05:38:38 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Wed Jan 23 05:48:55 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] MUG Benefits for members & the group
Message-ID: <p06240801c3bcd746d42e@[192.168.1.5]>

Reminder, there are discounts and benefits for MUGs that result not 
only in offers and benefits for members of groups but also for the 
group as well [I've asked for an accounting of what, if anything, 
there may be in the coffers as a result of MUG Group purchases, but 
don't have the answer yet] - the following is information from 
another list/MUG group.

>
>  In addition, all orders placed through the MUG Store receive free
>  shipping -- a great savings for those shopping for the holidays!
>  Remember that everything you buy means points for your group to spend!
>
>  User ID: leopard
>  password: classic
>
>  http://www.applemugstore.com <http://www.applemugstore.com/>
>
>  This U.S. only offer is valid through February 29, 2008.
>
>  Looking for information on a past offer? Tom Piper, Apple User Group
>  Advisory Board vendor coordinator, publishes a single page with all
>  current offers, expiration dates and codes. [vendor offers good to 5/15/08]
>
>  Password:
>  value
>
>  http://homepage.mac.com/ugab/offers/vendorcodes.htm
>  ........................
>
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From vlh at herringlaw.com  Wed Jan 23 06:50:30 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Wed Jan 23 06:51:05 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Josh More on Mac OS X Security
Message-ID: <p06240805c3bcdae3ace2@[192.168.1.5]>

We had a fascinating meeting last night [reminder, it's every fourth 
Tuesday at 7p at Haddock Computer, on 73rd St.] on Security for your 
computer running Mac OS X.  Josh is a security specialist at Alliance 
Technologies and while at times the concepts were a bit arcane for 
most, he was very clear and helpful in bringing them to the rest of 
us.  Great job and I'm going to summarize the meeting in the 
following bullet points:

Mac OS X is no more secure than any other OS, and it too needs to 
have protective steps taken to prevent theft, breakage, hacking and 
the like.  The test of how paranoid you need to be and how secure you 
should be is:  how and where is your data stored and how could 
someone use it against you?  If your on line banking records are on 
your computer, they're not safe if you don't take steps to protect 
them.  If your personal family information, health history, etc., is 
on your computer, it's not safe if you don't take steps to protect 
it.   If your business records are there, you have obligations to 
those clients or businesses to protect them from access by others. 
If you have written the Great American Novel, the Greatest Piece of 
Music, its special nature is compromised if it's not secured.  In 
other words, it's NOT paranoia, it's a necessity to be concerned 
about security whether you're a home user or someone with other needs 
as well.

There are Command Line [Terminal] steps that can be taken to really 
make an OS X machine secure against dangers, but those are not for 
the faint of heart and probably better done by someone used to the 
steps needed [I know my rule is don't mess with Terminal - 
fortunately, there are lots of free and shareware applications that 
can be of asistance here]

The whole issue of Physical Security is forgotten, but it's really 
the first and primary barrier:  you need to make sure no one has 
access to your computer/data through theft, hacking, etc.  Once 
someone gains entry to your computer and its data, they can take 
information and use it to hurt you or others.  So you need to prevent 
thefts, stolen laptops or harddrives or USB Flash sticks, and the Q 
is how to do that.  There are plenty of good software resources for 
that [more information will be on the website of DMMUG, 
www.DMMUG.org].

Use a Lock:  cables with keys or combinations lock to the computer 
thru its locking port and you attach it then to some immoveable 
object [don't tie it to a chair or pillow and expect it not to wander 
away].  If some determined thief comes across it, he/she will turn 
and steal someone else's unlocked laptop and yours will probably be 
safe.

There are alert systems, tracking down systems and the like which 
also deter theft or, if it happens, finds the culprit and lets you 
rip them limb from limb.  [There are more advanced technical steps 
within OS X such as setting up the open firmware or EFI to require 
passwords before booting and the like, which may be worth exploring]

Disable the Microphone and iSight in your computer, since access to 
them could allow someone to steal images or sounds from a highly 
confidential meeting [again, whether or how much you may need this 
depends on your circumstances;  it's certainly something to askthe IT 
department personnel about].

Reset the various OSX defaults:  there is a tradeoff between Security 
and Useability and Apple's defaults err toward the latter.  So, if 
you want a more secure machine you will have to jump through some 
hoops to use it, but it'll be more protected, your data will be more 
protected, and the hoops won't be that difficult to handle given the 
pay back.  (1) in System Preferences, set the machine to go to sleep 
regularly and require a password to wake it from sleep, (2) disable 
the IR [infrared], (3) use an encrypted Disk Image created by Disk 
Utility [free program, part of Utilities in OSX] to store things that 
you want protected especially and use AES-128 security to encrypt, 
(4) reset your Account preferences to keep the Administrative user 
only for limited purposes and use only a Standard account for 
yourself, (5) limit the number of Log In items to those you really 
need and recognize.

Have a good way to generate passwords and use it.  Passwords should 
have:  uppercase and lower case letters, numbers and punctuation. 
They can be created in and stored in Keychain Access [an encrypted 
file reachable thru a special password you better remember, again a 
free program in the Mac OS X Utilities].  There're also programs such 
as 1Password and Password Wallet that leverage the keychain and allow 
for all sorts of things to be secured, remembered and accessed beyond 
the main computer [such as thru syncing with Treos, iPhones, .Mac 
etc.]  [shameless plug, I have a Password Algorithum article I wrote 
on my website for download, 
http://www.herringlaw.com/publications.html ]

Use your Firewall:  You need to prevent easy access to your computer 
by those who would come into it thru wifi or landline or whatever and 
get your data.  If you don't both set up your software OS X Firewall 
[Sharing pane in System Preferences] AND have a hardware firewall 
between the cable or DSL modem and your computer, you are asking for 
trouble.

Turn off sharing of Printers.  In fact, in larger enterprises with 
those fancy new large printers, there are people hacking the printers 
and then getting into the network, so closing the printer system to 
unnecessary access is vital [again, tell your IT folks].

QuickTime is a major security hole - apply all updates and security 
patches, disable Auto Play and Instant On in the preferences.

Be sure to Security Empty Trash and Secure Erase FreeSpace to prevent 
information being leaked;  Secure Virtual Memory [all these terms are 
in the OS X Help area or googleable]

Get a Virus Program - Macs can have viruses and, more to the point, 
pass them on if they are received.  Be good to yourself and your data 
and protect it from viruses.  I use VirusBarrier, there are programs 
from Symantec, Virex [a bit old], Sophos, and free programs ClamAV 
and ClamXAV.  And be sure to update your definitions regularly, and 
run it.

Wireless is like Radio - it not only receives data, it sends it.  You 
need to make it difficult for people to steal or obtain your wireless 
signal or use it to access your comptuer.  Use encryption of messages 
and material over wireless, set up your Airport Utility to use WPA 
security.

Practice Safe Computing: don't click on links in emails - enter the 
URL directly in the browser instead;  if you can, use cable not 
wireless, in public hotspots [coffe cafes, city libraries, other 
general access points] do NOT do any banking or handling of extremely 
confidential information.  The old saw about 'you're not paranoid, 
they really are out to get you' holds true -- maybe no one is 
targeting you, but they will target your data and use it for their 
own purposes [and hurt you in the process].  Make it hard to do so.

Your banks, brokerage accounts and other such are all interested in 
security.  Don't pay attention to emails from them [probably spoofs 
or phishing] but go to your bank's or credit card or brokerage sites 
and check their information on security.  Lots of good tips there too.

A great and helpful program no matter the OS, but a good wakeup call 
for OS X users.


-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Wed Jan 23 08:05:43 2008
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Wed Jan 23 08:06:07 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Josh More on Mac OS X Security
In-Reply-To: <p06240805c3bcdae3ace2@[192.168.1.5]>
References: <p06240805c3bcdae3ace2@[192.168.1.5]>
Message-ID: <p06240620c3bcf88dc625@[10.0.1.3]>

Victoria,

Great summary.

The Airport the greatest weakness in my system and when I look at the 
setup I find that I can only do WEP security(128 character) with this 
(second generation) airport. What do people suggest is a good up to 
date wireless unit (it should have a good firewall built in).

At 6:50 AM -0600 1/23/08, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
>
>Wireless is like Radio - it not only receives data, it sends it. 
>You need to make it difficult for people to steal or obtain your 
>wireless signal or use it to access your comptuer.  Use encryption 
>of messages and material over wireless, set up your Airport Utility 
>to use WPA security.
>
>
>--
>Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
>Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
>515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype: 
>vlherring.
>
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>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug


-- 
Ray Bowler

rbowler.home.mchsi.com
From vlh at herringlaw.com  Wed Jan 23 10:25:12 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Wed Jan 23 10:28:43 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Macintosh User Group purchases
Message-ID: <p06240811c3bd1a5f8db9@[192.168.1.5]>

>From: Gary Mead <gary@powermax.com>
>
>Hi Victoria! The there are two benefits for user groups: One, the 
>great prices at
>applemugstore.com; and two, the points earned for your group by purchasing
>at Powermax or the mug store (one point per $100 dollars spent). Each point is
>worth a dollar at our store.
>
>I will find out your group point total and get back to you with a 
>total. Keep in mind
>that when group members purchase with us they have to mention the group
>name so that we can list it on the order and account for it properly.
>
>Gary
>
>
>On Jan 23, 2008, at 6:25 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
>
>>I am president of the Des Moines [Iowa] Macintosh User Group and 
>>think we have probably had people purchasing items via the MUG site 
>>over the years, but never had any accounting of anything resulting 
>>from that.  My understanding is that there should be some MUG group 
>>benefit in addition to the person's own benefit when purchasing 
>>thru the MUGStore....could you update me on the status of the Des 
>>Moines MUG 'account'???


>User ID: leopard
>  password: classic
>
>  http://www.applemugstore.com <http://www.applemugstore.com/>
>
  This U.S. only offer is valid through February 29, 2008.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From thorgrim at mindspring.com  Wed Jan 23 11:35:55 2008
From: thorgrim at mindspring.com (Thorgrim)
Date: Wed Jan 23 11:36:19 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] SANS Security Checklist
Message-ID: <18E641D8-1847-4DCC-AB16-ED873C4A385B@mindspring.com>

Here is the link:

http://www.sans.org/score/macosxchecklist.php

The page contains a downloadable document "Mac_OSX_Checklist" that  
describes how to secure Mac OS X.

It does not specifically cover Mac OS X 10.5 and some of the  
recommendations require the use of a Terminal application.

I will be adding information to the web site in the next couple of  
days with specific information about some of the topics we covered  
last night.

David D. McLaughlin
webmaster@dmmug.org
From darcybaston at mac.com  Wed Jan 23 16:01:15 2008
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Wed Jan 23 16:01:47 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Macheads, the movie
In-Reply-To: <18E641D8-1847-4DCC-AB16-ED873C4A385B@mindspring.com>
References: <18E641D8-1847-4DCC-AB16-ED873C4A385B@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <4797B92B.3080206@mac.com>

Can't wait to see it:

http://www.macheadsthemovie.com/
From vlh at herringlaw.com  Wed Jan 23 18:58:09 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Wed Jan 23 19:00:24 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Re: MUG purchases
Message-ID: <p06240844c3bd8f2fee3b@[192.168.1.5]>

>From: Gary Mead <gary@powermax.com>
>
>Victoria, as of today there are no points on account for your group. Sorry!
>
>Gary
>
>
>On Jan 23, 2008, at 6:25 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
>
>>I am president of the Des Moines [Iowa] Macintosh User Group and 
>>think we have probably had people purchasing items via the MUG site 
>>over the years, but never had any accounting of anything resulting 
>>from that.  My understanding is that there should be some MUG group 
>>benefit in addition to the person's own benefit when purchasing 
>>thru the MUGStore....could you update me on the status of the Des 
>>Moines MUG 'account'???

-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From maccelerate at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 27 16:22:03 2008
From: maccelerate at earthlink.net (Matthew W.)
Date: Sun Jan 27 16:22:30 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Josh More on Mac OS X Security
In-Reply-To: <p06240805c3bcdae3ace2@[192.168.1.5]>
References: <p06240805c3bcdae3ace2@[192.168.1.5]>
Message-ID: <2AD261AA-70D5-487A-B1CF-40918F2BB289@earthlink.net>

It's now called MacAfee VirusScan (for Mac) and they hide it well  
within their Web site. Current v. 8.6. <http://www.mcafee.com/us/ 
enterprise/products/anti_virus/file_servers_desktops/virex.html>

Mw

On Jan 23, 2008, at 6:50 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> Get a Virus Program - ...Virex [a bit old]

From sthiessen at passitonservices.org  Sun Jan 27 20:39:34 2008
From: sthiessen at passitonservices.org (Stuart Thiessen)
Date: Sun Jan 27 20:39:58 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Josh More on Mac OS X Security
In-Reply-To: <2AD261AA-70D5-487A-B1CF-40918F2BB289@earthlink.net>
References: <p06240805c3bcdae3ace2@[192.168.1.5]>
	<2AD261AA-70D5-487A-B1CF-40918F2BB289@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <76613C6C-C089-4CCC-880D-E07EBAA9E543@passitonservices.org>

I am using ClamAV for the Mac. It seems to work well and it is free. I  
haven't seen a reason not to use ClamAV as opposed to a paid program.

Thanks,

Stuart

On 27 Jan 2008, at 16:22 , Matthew W. wrote:

> It's now called MacAfee VirusScan (for Mac) and they hide it well  
> within their Web site. Current v. 8.6. <http://www.mcafee.com/us/enterprise/products/anti_virus/file_servers_desktops/virex.html 
> >
>
> Mw
>
> On Jan 23, 2008, at 6:50 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
>
>> Get a Virus Program - ...Virex [a bit old]
>
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From darcybaston at mac.com  Sun Jan 27 21:54:14 2008
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Sun Jan 27 21:54:41 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] rainbow wheels in itunes
Message-ID: <3947B86F-6F5A-48AE-AACE-EE2EAB853736@mac.com>

While using iTunes, I keep having an  unresponsive app about ever 10  
seconds. It's like clockwork. Every fixed interval, everything halts,  
song playback stutters, and a rainbow wheel appears from 1 to 3   
seconds. When iTunes isn't the front most app, song playback is  
uninterrupted. But when it has the focus...watch out.

The app won't come to the front during its pauses, but the click is  
queued so as soon as iTunes is listening again, it jumps to the front  
like asked.

I've been watching activity monitor during these pauses, and cpu usage  
spikes from ~15% to ~60%.

It started doing this with Leopard.

Any ideas?

Darcy

(Macbook 2.16, 2GB memory, 10.5.1)
From bill.davis at gmail.com  Mon Jan 28 06:47:36 2008
From: bill.davis at gmail.com (Bill Davis)
Date: Mon Jan 28 06:48:06 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] rainbow wheels in itunes
In-Reply-To: <3947B86F-6F5A-48AE-AACE-EE2EAB853736@mac.com>
References: <3947B86F-6F5A-48AE-AACE-EE2EAB853736@mac.com>
Message-ID: <48E70265-BD76-4A69-A751-F095199E89E8@gmail.com>

If you've added any third-party visualizers, turn them off/uninstall  
them and see if that fixes it.

I had a problem similar to that a year or so ago,  even when the  
visualizers was not running. Don't recall which one it was.

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On Jan 27, 2008, at 9:54 PM, Darcy Baston <darcybaston@mac.com> wrote:

> While using iTunes, I keep having an  unresponsive app about ever 10  
> seconds. It's like clockwork. Every fixed interval, everything  
> halts, song playback stutters, and a rainbow wheel appears from 1 to  
> 3  seconds. When iTunes isn't the front most app, song playback is  
> uninterrupted. But when it has the focus...watch out.
>
> The app won't come to the front during its pauses, but the click is  
> queued so as soon as iTunes is listening again, it jumps to the  
> front like asked.
>
> I've been watching activity monitor during these pauses, and cpu  
> usage spikes from ~15% to ~60%.
>
> It started doing this with Leopard.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Darcy
>
> (Macbook 2.16, 2GB memory, 10.5.1)
> _______________________________________________
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> DMMUG@dmmug.org
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From darcybaston at mac.com  Tue Jan 29 21:30:58 2008
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Tue Jan 29 21:31:41 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] how do I disable sharing in Leopard?
Message-ID: <6D47720B-BF2C-4EB2-B4FF-110BE78B16CE@mac.com>

Somebody is doing wireless sharing in my apartment building, and  
Leopard is showing devices in the SHARED section of my left finder  
window panes. How do I tell Leopard to not even look for devices to  
populate that?

I've got my file sharing turned off, and firewall turned on, so I hope  
I'm invisible.

Darcy
From maccelerate at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 30 00:25:09 2008
From: maccelerate at earthlink.net (Matthew W.)
Date: Wed Jan 30 00:25:36 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] how do I disable sharing in Leopard?
In-Reply-To: <6D47720B-BF2C-4EB2-B4FF-110BE78B16CE@mac.com>
References: <6D47720B-BF2C-4EB2-B4FF-110BE78B16CE@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B9EE1AAD-012F-4876-9E2D-F68B441A85F4@earthlink.net>

Go to Finder Preferences and unclick the Sharing checkboxes. However,  
the most fun way is to drop a nice note about security inside the  
share with a nice title such as "Turn Off Sharing" or "I can see  
you!" I'll bet they disappear.

I've often thought of printing embarrassing (but not risque) material  
to the shared printer in my area. Nothing says insecure like a few  
sheets of Police Most Wanted (for tech crimes) posters on your newly  
set up Wi-Fi enabled printer.

Mw

On Jan 29, 2008, at 9:30 PM, Darcy Baston wrote:

> Somebody is doing wireless sharing in my apartment building, and  
> Leopard is showing devices in the SHARED section of my left finder  
> window panes. How do I tell Leopard to not even look for devices to  
> populate that?
>
> I've got my file sharing turned off, and firewall turned on, so I  
> hope I'm invisible.
>
> Darcy
>
From jon at mac-consultant.com  Wed Jan 30 07:56:35 2008
From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Wed Jan 30 07:57:04 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] how do I disable sharing in Leopard?
In-Reply-To: <6D47720B-BF2C-4EB2-B4FF-110BE78B16CE@mac.com>
References: <6D47720B-BF2C-4EB2-B4FF-110BE78B16CE@mac.com>
Message-ID: <07545707-150E-47CA-8B45-F721ACD833FB@mac-consultant.com>

Darcy,

The only way that these people would be showing up is if they are on  
the same network as you.  If you are paying for your wireless, this  
means that they are stealing bandwidth from you by being connected to  
your wireless.

If your building provides internet, then this is a different matter,  
as you most likely are on the same network.

-- 
- Jon
On Jan 29, 2008, at 9:30 PM, Darcy Baston wrote:

> Somebody is doing wireless sharing in my apartment building, and  
> Leopard is showing devices in the SHARED section of my left finder  
> window panes. How do I tell Leopard to not even look for devices to  
> populate that?
>
> I've got my file sharing turned off, and firewall turned on, so I  
> hope I'm invisible.
>
> Darcy
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From darcybaston at mac.com  Thu Jan 31 00:15:22 2008
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Thu Jan 31 00:15:49 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] rainbow wheels in itunes
In-Reply-To: <48E70265-BD76-4A69-A751-F095199E89E8@gmail.com>
References: <3947B86F-6F5A-48AE-AACE-EE2EAB853736@mac.com>
	<48E70265-BD76-4A69-A751-F095199E89E8@gmail.com>
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I have Lathe, Stix and Jelly. Are those included with iTunes or do you  
suppose I installed those? I can't remember!


On Jan 28, 2008, at 6:47 AM, Bill Davis wrote:

> If you've added any third-party visualizers, turn them off/uninstall  
> them and see if that fixes it.
>
> I had a problem similar to that a year or so ago,  even when the  
> visualizers was not running. Don't recall which one it was.
From bill.davis at gmail.com  Thu Jan 31 06:26:21 2008
From: bill.davis at gmail.com (Bill Davis)
Date: Thu Jan 31 06:26:51 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] rainbow wheels in itunes
In-Reply-To: <CEB8673D-1FF7-4C02-8651-E0487AF6073F@mac.com>
References: <3947B86F-6F5A-48AE-AACE-EE2EAB853736@mac.com>
	<48E70265-BD76-4A69-A751-F095199E89E8@gmail.com>
	<CEB8673D-1FF7-4C02-8651-E0487AF6073F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <F0A48BC9-C486-45E9-96D5-3DA32127F942@gmail.com>

None of those are installed by iTunes.

There is only one visualized provided with iTunes.

On Jan 31, 2008, at 12:15 AM, Darcy Baston <darcybaston@mac.com> wrote:

> I have Lathe, Stix and Jelly. Are those included with iTunes or do  
> you suppose I installed those? I can't remember!
>
>
> On Jan 28, 2008, at 6:47 AM, Bill Davis wrote:
>
>> If you've added any third-party visualizers, turn them off/ 
>> uninstall them and see if that fixes it.
>>
>> I had a problem similar to that a year or so ago,  even when the  
>> visualizers was not running. Don't recall which
From darcybaston at mac.com  Thu Jan 31 10:21:57 2008
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Thu Jan 31 10:22:33 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] how do I disable sharing in Leopard?
In-Reply-To: <B9EE1AAD-012F-4876-9E2D-F68B441A85F4@earthlink.net>
References: <6D47720B-BF2C-4EB2-B4FF-110BE78B16CE@mac.com>
	<B9EE1AAD-012F-4876-9E2D-F68B441A85F4@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <13097247.1201796517823.JavaMail.darcybaston@mac.com>

Yep, the Bonjour setting in Find prefs did the trick.

I did leave someone a note once,many years ago. I don't know if it did any good.


On Thursday, January 31, 2008, at 07:45AM, Matthew W. <maccelerate@earthlink.net> wrote:

>Go to Finder Preferences and unclick the Sharing checkboxes. However,  
>the most fun way is to drop a nice note about security inside the  
>share with a nice title such as "Turn Off Sharing" or "I can see  
>you!" I'll bet they disappear.
>
>I've often thought of printing embarrassing (but not risque) material  
>to the shared printer in my area. Nothing says insecure like a few  
>sheets of Police Most Wanted (for tech crimes) posters on your newly  
>set up Wi-Fi enabled printer.
>
>Mw
From darcybaston at mac.com  Thu Jan 31 10:22:10 2008
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Thu Jan 31 10:22:45 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] how do I disable sharing in Leopard?
In-Reply-To: <B9EE1AAD-012F-4876-9E2D-F68B441A85F4@earthlink.net>
References: <6D47720B-BF2C-4EB2-B4FF-110BE78B16CE@mac.com>
	<B9EE1AAD-012F-4876-9E2D-F68B441A85F4@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4691731.1201796530508.JavaMail.darcybaston@mac.com>

Yep, the Bonjour setting in Finder prefs did the trick.

I did leave someone a note once,many years ago. I don't know if it did any good.


On Thursday, January 31, 2008, at 07:45AM, Matthew W. <maccelerate@earthlink.net> wrote:

>Go to Finder Preferences and unclick the Sharing checkboxes. However,  
>the most fun way is to drop a nice note about security inside the  
>share with a nice title such as "Turn Off Sharing" or "I can see  
>you!" I'll bet they disappear.
>
>I've often thought of printing embarrassing (but not risque) material  
>to the shared printer in my area. Nothing says insecure like a few  
>sheets of Police Most Wanted (for tech crimes) posters on your newly  
>set up Wi-Fi enabled printer.
>
>Mw
From darcybaston at mac.com  Thu Jan 31 10:26:44 2008
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Thu Jan 31 10:27:19 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] how do I disable sharing in Leopard?
In-Reply-To: <07545707-150E-47CA-8B45-F721ACD833FB@mac-consultant.com>
References: <6D47720B-BF2C-4EB2-B4FF-110BE78B16CE@mac.com>
	<07545707-150E-47CA-8B45-F721ACD833FB@mac-consultant.com>
Message-ID: <7290644.1201796804775.JavaMail.darcybaston@mac.com>

I have a DSL modem plugged into an Airport Extreme base station. It is WPA2 encrypted. My Macbook has airport turned on and saw another person's computer. If I disable airport and use an ethernet cable, that person's computer doesn't show up. Would it not be the wireless detection of my Macbook that picked up on it?

I watch my DSL modem's lights religiously. They never blink unless I'm doing something, so I don't think I'm being hijacked.

Darcy

 
On Thursday, January 31, 2008, at 08:19AM, Jon Thompson <jon@mac-consultant.com> wrote:

>Darcy,
>
>The only way that these people would be showing up is if they are on  
>the same network as you.  If you are paying for your wireless, this  
>means that they are stealing bandwidth from you by being connected to  
>your wireless.
>
>If your building provides internet, then this is a different matter,  
>as you most likely are on the same network.
>
>-- 
>- Jon
From darcybaston at mac.com  Thu Jan 31 10:28:02 2008
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Thu Jan 31 10:28:27 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] rainbow wheels in itunes
In-Reply-To: <F0A48BC9-C486-45E9-96D5-3DA32127F942@gmail.com>
References: <3947B86F-6F5A-48AE-AACE-EE2EAB853736@mac.com>
	<48E70265-BD76-4A69-A751-F095199E89E8@gmail.com>
	<CEB8673D-1FF7-4C02-8651-E0487AF6073F@mac.com>
	<F0A48BC9-C486-45E9-96D5-3DA32127F942@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <16577795.1201796882766.JavaMail.darcybaston@mac.com>

Ok, thanks for the info! Now where do I go to remove them? I don't remember where I installed them I'm afraid.
 
On Thursday, January 31, 2008, at 08:35AM, Bill Davis <bill.davis@gmail.com> wrote:

>None of those are installed by iTunes.
From bill.davis at gmail.com  Thu Jan 31 11:26:26 2008
From: bill.davis at gmail.com (Bill Davis)
Date: Thu Jan 31 11:26:51 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] rainbow wheels in itunes
In-Reply-To: <16577795.1201796882766.JavaMail.darcybaston@mac.com>
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	<48E70265-BD76-4A69-A751-F095199E89E8@gmail.com>
	<CEB8673D-1FF7-4C02-8651-E0487AF6073F@mac.com>
	<F0A48BC9-C486-45E9-96D5-3DA32127F942@gmail.com>
	<16577795.1201796882766.JavaMail.darcybaston@mac.com>
Message-ID: <e734c8cd0801310926o51b63849qf1f4d78a892e3848@mail.gmail.com>

Don't have my Mac handy right now.  Use Spotlight to search for the one of
the names.  Or Google one of the names and find the program's web site and
see what it says to do to uninstall..

I think it might be in a subfolder of /Library/iTunes or
~/Library/iTunes. Possibly BOTH.  Might be somewhere else in the Library
folder(s)  Might even be in the "shared" tree in /Users.  Depends on how
they installed it, and if i was installed for "just you" or "all users".

Recommendation:  Keep a folder somewhere called "Installers" with the
installers for all the stuff you've installed, or at least the documentation
for things that install by drag-and-drop, so you'll be able to find this
info, and/or reinstall/uninstall if you have to reinstall after a hard disk
crash or OS-reinstall or something.   Don't have to keep it on your hard
disk, could keep it on your external backup drive or something.

 - Bill

On 1/31/08, Darcy Baston <darcybaston@mac.com> wrote:
>
> Ok, thanks for the info! Now where do I go to remove them? I don't
> remember where I installed them I'm afraid.
>
> On Thursday, January 31, 2008, at 08:35AM, Bill Davis <
> bill.davis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >None of those are installed by iTunes.
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From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Thu Jan 31 13:52:45 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] rainbow wheels in itunes
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Thanks for the effort Bill. The library/iTunes folders for the system and my account are both void of those visualizations. When I do a search on their names, and I'm sure to enable system file searching and searching by file name, nothing is returned except with Stix, which is a similarly named Quartz rendering component.

I'll try the longer internet searching route. 

Darcy



 
On Thursday, January 31, 2008, at 11:27AM, "Bill Davis" <bill.davis@gmail.com> wrote:
>Don't have my Mac handy right now.  Use Spotlight to search for the one of
>the names.  Or Google one of the names and find the program's web site and
>see what it says to do to uninstall..
>
>I think it might be in a subfolder of /Library/iTunes or
>~/Library/iTunes. Possibly BOTH.  Might be somewhere else in the Library
>folder(s)  Might even be in the "shared" tree in /Users.  Depends on how
>they installed it, and if i was installed for "just you" or "all users".
>
>Recommendation:  Keep a folder somewhere called "Installers" with the
>installers for all the stuff you've installed, or at least the documentation
>for things that install by drag-and-drop, so you'll be able to find this
>info, and/or reinstall/uninstall if you have to reinstall after a hard disk
>crash or OS-reinstall or something.   Don't have to keep it on your hard
>disk, could keep it on your external backup drive or something.
>
> - Bill
