From VLH at HerringLaw.com Tue Dec 2 12:29:14 2008 From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Tue Dec 2 12:30:38 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Contents of harddrive not showing up Message-ID: I have an older harddrive, 20G, that shows up on the desktop, get info says it has 19G and 11 is used and 8G is left. I ran disk warrior and cleaned up the directory but nothing shows up. I did a WhatSize which, apparently, even shows hidden files, but only 4kb on the drive shows up [hidden trash files etc] - the Diskwarrior graph after the rebuilding shows a heavy dark stripe on the L side and to the 2/3rds point on the R. Is there a utility to see what is there == I tried CDFinder and Tidy Up and neither show anything = Any way to know what is on it and capture it??? If I click and drag will contents go to my computer even if I can't see them??? Thanks. -- -- Victoria L. Herring, Discrimination/Civil Rights Attorney, http://www.herringlaw.com; Travel Research/Photography site, http://www.JourneyZing.com; Online Gallery- http://gallery.journeyzing.com. Des Moines, Iowa; 515-255-4475 From maccelerate at earthlink.net Wed Dec 3 00:29:24 2008 From: maccelerate at earthlink.net (Matthew W.) Date: Wed Dec 3 00:29:53 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Got a few items for sale Message-ID: <56A3C969-A62C-4CAC-BBB7-1419B2473214@earthlink.net> I have a few items I've collected. Maybe someone needs an upgrade for Christmas, or a winter project. I have a nice, clean eMac G4 for sale. Specs: eMac G4 1.0 GHz 768 MB's RAM 40 GB HDD ATI RADEON 7500, 32 MB video Combo drive (DVD-ROM, CD-RW) Takes Airport Extreme card, not included 10/100Base-T Ethernet 56k v92 modem Apple Keyboard (ice cube tray type, clean) Apple Optical mouse, white, single-button Runs Classic, but does not boot Classic, great for older kids games 10.4.6 installed (will run 10.5) Swivel stand included $300 Reference: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ EyeTV 200 FireWire video capture device. Awesome product. I still prefer FireWire, they no longer make them. It also has a TV tuner, but is analog and will be obsolete in February 2009 so it's really just an analog or VHS video encoder. Current EyeTV v.3 software available at elgato.com will work with this unit. Like new, in box, all original software & cables $40 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Harmon Kardon iSub Like new, in box, all original software & cables $35 Delivered in the Metro, or can pick up from West Des Moines. Matthew From homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net Wed Dec 3 08:21:12 2008 From: homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net (Sharalyn) Date: Wed Dec 3 08:21:42 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Got a few items for sale In-Reply-To: <56A3C969-A62C-4CAC-BBB7-1419B2473214@earthlink.net> References: <56A3C969-A62C-4CAC-BBB7-1419B2473214@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <116EE50D-42C5-4D1C-9CDE-4E30896BE8E3@iowatelecom.net> Anyone got an extra firewire 800-400 adaptor, or even a bi-lingual wire they want to sell, cheap? I need this right away. Thanks, Sharalyn On Dec 3, 2008, at 12:29 AM, Matthew W. wrote: > I have a few items I've collected. Maybe someone needs an upgrade > for Christmas, or a winter project. > > I have a nice, clean eMac G4 for sale. Specs: > > eMac G4 1.0 GHz > 768 MB's RAM > 40 GB HDD > ATI RADEON 7500, 32 MB video > Combo drive (DVD-ROM, CD-RW) > Takes Airport Extreme card, not included > 10/100Base-T Ethernet > 56k v92 modem > > Apple Keyboard (ice cube tray type, clean) > Apple Optical mouse, white, single-button > Runs Classic, but does not boot Classic, great for older kids games > 10.4.6 installed (will run 10.5) > Swivel stand included > > $300 > > Reference: > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > EyeTV 200 > FireWire video capture device. Awesome product. I still prefer > FireWire, they no longer make them. > It also has a TV tuner, but is analog and will be obsolete in > February 2009 so it's really just an analog or VHS video encoder. > Current EyeTV v.3 software available at elgato.com will work with > this unit. > Like new, in box, all original software & cables > $40 > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Harmon Kardon iSub > Like new, in box, all original software & cables > $35 > > Delivered in the Metro, or can pick up from West Des Moines. > > Matthew > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From jon at mac-consultant.com Wed Dec 3 08:27:53 2008 From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson) Date: Wed Dec 3 08:28:18 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Got a few items for sale In-Reply-To: <116EE50D-42C5-4D1C-9CDE-4E30896BE8E3@iowatelecom.net> References: <56A3C969-A62C-4CAC-BBB7-1419B2473214@earthlink.net> <116EE50D-42C5-4D1C-9CDE-4E30896BE8E3@iowatelecom.net> Message-ID: <77AE94A5-FD68-431A-8A8E-E87C90F2F112@mac-consultant.com> $14.24+shipping http://www.amazon.com/Sonnet-FireWire-400-Adapter-FAD-824/dp/B0000CDJPQ $16.22 with shipping http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=203531659&listingid=34896269&dcaid=17902 On Dec 3, 2008, at 8:21 AM, Sharalyn wrote: > Anyone got an extra firewire 800-400 adaptor, or even a bi-lingual > wire they want to sell, cheap? I need this right away. > > Thanks, > Sharalyn > > > On Dec 3, 2008, at 12:29 AM, Matthew W. wrote: > >> I have a few items I've collected. Maybe someone needs an upgrade >> for Christmas, or a winter project. >> >> I have a nice, clean eMac G4 for sale. Specs: >> >> eMac G4 1.0 GHz >> 768 MB's RAM >> 40 GB HDD >> ATI RADEON 7500, 32 MB video >> Combo drive (DVD-ROM, CD-RW) >> Takes Airport Extreme card, not included >> 10/100Base-T Ethernet >> 56k v92 modem >> >> Apple Keyboard (ice cube tray type, clean) >> Apple Optical mouse, white, single-button >> Runs Classic, but does not boot Classic, great for older kids games >> 10.4.6 installed (will run 10.5) >> Swivel stand included >> >> $300 >> >> Reference: >> >> >> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> >> EyeTV 200 >> FireWire video capture device. Awesome product. I still prefer >> FireWire, they no longer make them. >> It also has a TV tuner, but is analog and will be obsolete in >> February 2009 so it's really just an analog or VHS video encoder. >> Current EyeTV v.3 software available at elgato.com will work with >> this unit. >> Like new, in box, all original software & cables >> $40 >> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> >> Harmon Kardon iSub >> Like new, in box, all original software & cables >> $35 >> >> Delivered in the Metro, or can pick up from West Des Moines. >> >> Matthew >> _______________________________________________ >> DMMUG mailing list >> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >> DMMUG@dmmug.org >> Use this page to modify subscription options: >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net Wed Dec 3 08:33:21 2008 From: homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net (Sharalyn) Date: Wed Dec 3 08:33:49 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Got a few items for sale In-Reply-To: <77AE94A5-FD68-431A-8A8E-E87C90F2F112@mac-consultant.com> References: <56A3C969-A62C-4CAC-BBB7-1419B2473214@earthlink.net> <116EE50D-42C5-4D1C-9CDE-4E30896BE8E3@iowatelecom.net> <77AE94A5-FD68-431A-8A8E-E87C90F2F112@mac-consultant.com> Message-ID: <01474BF1-DA94-4943-8FAB-25C226FF9396@iowatelecom.net> I know i can get them there, in fact bought a firewire from ebay but apparently lthanksgiving holiday slowed them down in shipping so it may not arrive until next week, and I need something right away. On Dec 3, 2008, at 8:27 AM, Jon Thompson wrote: > $14.24+shipping http://www.amazon.com/Sonnet-FireWire-400-Adapter-FAD-824/dp/B0000CDJPQ > $16.22 with shipping http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=203531659&listingid=34896269&dcaid=17902 > > > On Dec 3, 2008, at 8:21 AM, Sharalyn wrote: > >> Anyone got an extra firewire 800-400 adaptor, or even a bi-lingual >> wire they want to sell, cheap? I need this right away. >> >> Thanks, >> Sharalyn >> >> >> On Dec 3, 2008, at 12:29 AM, Matthew W. wrote: >> >>> I have a few items I've collected. Maybe someone needs an upgrade >>> for Christmas, or a winter project. >>> >>> I have a nice, clean eMac G4 for sale. Specs: >>> >>> eMac G4 1.0 GHz >>> 768 MB's RAM >>> 40 GB HDD >>> ATI RADEON 7500, 32 MB video >>> Combo drive (DVD-ROM, CD-RW) >>> Takes Airport Extreme card, not included >>> 10/100Base-T Ethernet >>> 56k v92 modem >>> >>> Apple Keyboard (ice cube tray type, clean) >>> Apple Optical mouse, white, single-button >>> Runs Classic, but does not boot Classic, great for older kids games >>> 10.4.6 installed (will run 10.5) >>> Swivel stand included >>> >>> $300 >>> >>> Reference: >>> >>> >>> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> >>> EyeTV 200 >>> FireWire video capture device. Awesome product. I still prefer >>> FireWire, they no longer make them. >>> It also has a TV tuner, but is analog and will be obsolete in >>> February 2009 so it's really just an analog or VHS video encoder. >>> Current EyeTV v.3 software available at elgato.com will work with >>> this unit. >>> Like new, in box, all original software & cables >>> $40 >>> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> >>> Harmon Kardon iSub >>> Like new, in box, all original software & cables >>> $35 >>> >>> Delivered in the Metro, or can pick up from West Des Moines. >>> >>> Matthew >>> _______________________________________________ >>> DMMUG mailing list >>> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >>> DMMUG@dmmug.org >>> Use this page to modify subscription options: >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> DMMUG mailing list >> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >> DMMUG@dmmug.org >> Use this page to modify subscription options: >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From studias at msn.com Wed Dec 3 08:45:20 2008 From: studias at msn.com (Geoffrey Stevens) Date: Wed Dec 3 08:45:44 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Looking for mac os x 10.4 tiger software... Message-ID: I am looking apple mac os x 10.4 tiger software to install on my old 10.3.9 e-mac. I hope to get another year or two out of it. Geoff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/dmmug/attachments/20081203/ee5759bc/attachment.htm From maccelerate at earthlink.net Wed Dec 3 10:16:23 2008 From: maccelerate at earthlink.net (Matt W) Date: Wed Dec 3 10:16:46 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Got a few items for sale Message-ID: <23817066.1228320983382.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Y'know, I've got a ton of gear and parts. Each needs a new home so if anyone has a request just e-mail me directly and ask me. Most of my stuff was collected over the years, and nearly all is in excellent working condition and has been stored in a dry, cool basement. See below for brief list, e-mail me (not the list) if you'd like a spreadsheet. An example of items available: Zip & Jaz drives and disks New Pioneer DVR-109 DVD-RW Rebuilt Airport base stations (Graphite and Snow, both 802.11b) Productive (& non-productive) software: Eudora Pro v4, PageMaker, FileMaker Pro 5, Classic games (some never opened--Civilization II, Agora, Tomb Raider Chronicles), others Gravis Thrustmaster, & Microsoft Sidewinder ADB joysticks 56K external serial modems HP SCSI 11x14" scanner (untested) Lots of cables and adapters (SCSI, FireWire, USB, ADB ABD Mice & keyboards clean and in good condition external SCSI drives and cases Apple ][ stuff CRT monitors Classic Macs of various vintages Newton 2000 in original box Lots more junk!! Matthew -----Original Message----- >From: Sharalyn >Sent: Dec 3, 2008 8:21 AM >To: Des Moines Mac Users Group >Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Got a few items for sale > >Anyone got an extra firewire 800-400 adaptor, or even a bi-lingual >wire they want to sell, cheap? I need this right away. > >Thanks, >Sharalyn From VLH at HerringLaw.com Wed Dec 3 10:23:05 2008 From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Wed Dec 3 10:24:03 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] if anyone is interested, contact me Message-ID: >Dear user group organizer, > >We here at Divergent Media realize how important user groups are to >the video industry/ mac community. Therefore, we are offering your >user group a wonderful opportunity to discover the outstanding >benefits of Divergent Media's flagship program, ScopeBox. > >ScopeBox is a revolutionary software application that turns your >Macintosh computer into a preview monitor, direct to disk recorder >and video QA toolkit. ScopeBox works with your existing video camera >or capture device to ensure your video looks the best it can. For >more information on ScopeBox, please visit >www.scopebox.com. > >We are pleased to offer your group one demonstration copy of >ScopeBox for your review and presentation to your members. In >addition, we are offering members of your group a 20% discount off >the purchase price of ScopeBox. > -- Victoria L. Herring, Discrimination/Civil Rights Attorney, http://www.herringlaw.com; Travel Research/Photography site, http://www.JourneyZing.com; Online Gallery- http://gallery.journeyzing.com. Des Moines, Iowa; 515-255-4475 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/dmmug/attachments/20081203/bda384ed/attachment.html From alan.maupin at gmail.com Wed Dec 3 10:50:25 2008 From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin) Date: Wed Dec 3 10:51:00 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] if anyone is interested, contact me In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Could Divergent Media give us a brief description of how this would fit into a workflow, utilizing for instance, Final Cut Express with DV on a MacBook. On Dec 3, 2008, at 10:23 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote: >> Dear user group organizer, >> We here at Divergent Media realize how important user groups are to >> the video industry/ mac community. Therefore, we are offering your >> user group a wonderful opportunity to discover the outstanding >> benefits of Divergent Media's flagship program, ScopeBox. >> >> ScopeBox is a revolutionary software application that turns your >> Macintosh computer into a preview monitor, direct to disk recorder >> and video QA toolkit. ScopeBox works with your existing video >> camera or capture device to ensure your video looks the best it >> can. For more information on ScopeBox, please visitwww.scopebox.com. >> We are pleased to offer your group one demonstration copy of >> ScopeBox for your review and presentation to your members. In >> addition, we are offering members of your group a 20% discount off >> the purchase price of ScopeBox. > > -- > Victoria L. Herring, Discrimination/Civil Rights Attorney, http://www.herringlaw.com > ; Travel Research/Photography site,http://www.JourneyZing.com; > Online Gallery- http://gallery.journeyzing.com. Des Moines, Iowa; > 515-255-4475 > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/dmmug/attachments/20081203/57c8eb77/attachment.htm From VLH at HerringLaw.com Wed Dec 3 10:52:06 2008 From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Wed Dec 3 10:52:41 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] if anyone is interested, contact me In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: you can contact them for info...see link in the posting -- Victoria L. Herring, Discrimination/Civil Rights Attorney, http://www.herringlaw.com; Travel Research/Photography site, http://www.JourneyZing.com; Online Gallery- http://gallery.journeyzing.com. Des Moines, Iowa; 515-255-4475 From newz at bearfruit.org Wed Dec 3 11:02:28 2008 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Wed Dec 3 11:10:29 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Got a few items for sale In-Reply-To: <23817066.1228320983382.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <23817066.1228320983382.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Maybe there should be a dmmug swap meet. On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:16 AM, Matt W wrote: > Y'know, I've got a ton of gear and parts. Each needs a new home so if anyone has a request just e-mail me directly and ask me. Most of my stuff was collected over the years, and nearly all is in excellent working condition and has been stored in a dry, cool basement. See below for brief list, e-mail me (not the list) if you'd like a spreadsheet. > > An example of items available: > > Zip & Jaz drives and disks > New Pioneer DVR-109 DVD-RW > Rebuilt Airport base stations (Graphite and Snow, both 802.11b) > Productive (& non-productive) software: Eudora Pro v4, PageMaker, FileMaker Pro 5, > Classic games (some never opened--Civilization II, Agora, Tomb Raider Chronicles), others > Gravis Thrustmaster, & Microsoft Sidewinder ADB joysticks > 56K external serial modems > HP SCSI 11x14" scanner (untested) > Lots of cables and adapters (SCSI, FireWire, USB, ADB > ABD Mice & keyboards clean and in good condition > external SCSI drives and cases > Apple ][ stuff > CRT monitors > Classic Macs of various vintages > Newton 2000 in original box > Lots more junk!! > > Matthew > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Sharalyn >>Sent: Dec 3, 2008 8:21 AM >>To: Des Moines Mac Users Group >>Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Got a few items for sale >> >>Anyone got an extra firewire 800-400 adaptor, or even a bi-lingual >>wire they want to sell, cheap? I need this right away. >> >>Thanks, >>Sharalyn > > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode From big.smelly at gmail.com Wed Dec 3 11:53:16 2008 From: big.smelly at gmail.com (Chris R) Date: Wed Dec 3 11:53:18 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] KVM switches In-Reply-To: References: <23817066.1228320983382.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hello All Does anyone have any experience with KVM switches. We have a network issue with some software at my work. It uses a database and using the networked computer is like computing in molasses. I know that this is a PC thing and this is a mac board but I was wondering if any one know a brand to avoid. Thanks Chris Call us at (515) 279-8682 or Visit us online at www.Kavanaughgallery.com (Click for map) Kavanaugh Art Gallery One-thirty-one Fifth St. West Des Moines, IA 50265 Ask us about our 12 month interest free layaway. Artwork and prices subject to availability. ? All art on this site or email is Copyrighted by the artist or their Representative ? This e-mail message is confidential, intended only for the recipient (s) above. If you have received this message in error, or are not the named recipient(s), please immediately notify the sender at (515) 279-8682 and delete this e-mail message from your computer. Thank you. On Dec 3, 2008, at 11:02 AM, Matthew Nuzum wrote: > Maybe there should be a dmmug swap meet. > > On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:16 AM, Matt W > wrote: >> Y'know, I've got a ton of gear and parts. Each needs a new home so >> if anyone has a request just e-mail me directly and ask me. Most >> of my stuff was collected over the years, and nearly all is in >> excellent working condition and has been stored in a dry, cool >> basement. See below for brief list, e-mail me (not the list) if >> you'd like a spreadsheet. >> >> An example of items available: >> >> Zip & Jaz drives and disks >> New Pioneer DVR-109 DVD-RW >> Rebuilt Airport base stations (Graphite and Snow, both 802.11b) >> Productive (& non-productive) software: Eudora Pro v4, PageMaker, >> FileMaker Pro 5, >> Classic games (some never opened--Civilization II, Agora, Tomb >> Raider Chronicles), others >> Gravis Thrustmaster, & Microsoft Sidewinder ADB joysticks >> 56K external serial modems >> HP SCSI 11x14" scanner (untested) >> Lots of cables and adapters (SCSI, FireWire, USB, ADB >> ABD Mice & keyboards clean and in good condition >> external SCSI drives and cases >> Apple ][ stuff >> CRT monitors >> Classic Macs of various vintages >> Newton 2000 in original box >> Lots more junk!! >> >> Matthew >> >> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Sharalyn >>> Sent: Dec 3, 2008 8:21 AM >>> To: Des Moines Mac Users Group >>> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Got a few items for sale >>> >>> Anyone got an extra firewire 800-400 adaptor, or even a bi-lingual >>> wire they want to sell, cheap? I need this right away. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Sharalyn >> >> _______________________________________________ >> DMMUG mailing list >> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >> DMMUG@dmmug.org >> Use this page to modify subscription options: >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> > > > > -- > Matthew Nuzum > newz2000 on freenode > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From maccelerate at earthlink.net Wed Dec 3 13:56:45 2008 From: maccelerate at earthlink.net (Matt W) Date: Wed Dec 3 13:57:45 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Got a few items for sale Message-ID: <8916289.1228334205937.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> You organize it and I'll populate it with stuff. Mw -----Original Message----- >From: Matthew Nuzum >Sent: Dec 3, 2008 12:02 PM >To: Des Moines Mac Users Group >Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Got a few items for sale > >Maybe there should be a dmmug swap meet. > >On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:16 AM, Matt W wrote: >> Y'know, I've got a ton of gear and parts. Each needs a new home so if anyone has a request just e-mail me directly and ask me. Most of my stuff was collected over the years, and nearly all is in excellent working condition and has been stored in a dry, cool basement. See below for brief list, e-mail me (not the list) if you'd like a spreadsheet. >> >> An example of items available: >> >> Zip & Jaz drives and disks >> New Pioneer DVR-109 DVD-RW >> Rebuilt Airport base stations (Graphite and Snow, both 802.11b) >> Productive (& non-productive) software: Eudora Pro v4, PageMaker, FileMaker Pro 5, >> Classic games (some never opened--Civilization II, Agora, Tomb Raider Chronicles), others >> Gravis Thrustmaster, & Microsoft Sidewinder ADB joysticks >> 56K external serial modems >> HP SCSI 11x14" scanner (untested) >> Lots of cables and adapters (SCSI, FireWire, USB, ADB >> ABD Mice & keyboards clean and in good condition >> external SCSI drives and cases >> Apple ][ stuff >> CRT monitors >> Classic Macs of various vintages >> Newton 2000 in original box >> Lots more junk!! >> >> Matthew >> >> -----Original Message----- >>>From: Sharalyn >>>Sent: Dec 3, 2008 8:21 AM >>>To: Des Moines Mac Users Group >>>Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Got a few items for sale >>> >>>Anyone got an extra firewire 800-400 adaptor, or even a bi-lingual >>>wire they want to sell, cheap? I need this right away. >>> >>>Thanks, >>>Sharalyn >> >> _______________________________________________ >> DMMUG mailing list >> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >> DMMUG@dmmug.org >> Use this page to modify subscription options: >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> > > > >-- >Matthew Nuzum >newz2000 on freenode >_______________________________________________ >DMMUG mailing list >Use this Address to send mail to the list: >DMMUG@dmmug.org >Use this page to modify subscription options: >http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From thorgrim at imaginarytower.org Wed Dec 3 19:23:46 2008 From: thorgrim at imaginarytower.org (David McLaughlin) Date: Wed Dec 3 19:24:12 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] iBook G4 & 10.5 Message-ID: Does anyone have experience running Mac OS 10.5 on an iBook G4 1 GHz? I am updating a family members' machine. I already plan on maxing out the RAM at a wonderful 1.25 GB, :-/ and changing the Hard drive to a 160 GB 5400. Will it be too slow using 10.5? Should I go with 10.4 instead? Any opinion would be helpful. Dave McLaughlin From cwsmith7 at gmail.com Thu Dec 4 10:18:02 2008 From: cwsmith7 at gmail.com (CW Smith) Date: Thu Dec 4 10:18:35 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] iBook G4 & 10.5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6A44A8BC-49AC-409E-9AF8-62384A0A477A@gmail.com> I set up a similar iBook (G4 1GHz/1.25GB/10.5) for my friend Rob. It's not the fastest Leopard machine ever (not ever gonna run Final Cut Studio, for example), but it's acceptable for Internet, chat, iTunes, word processing, and audio recording (up to about 8 tracks in Digital Performer). Email me back if you like and I can offer more details. Peace, CW ------------------------------------------------ CW Smith guitar, bass, percussion, Macintosh cwsmith7@gmail.com ------------------------------------------------ On Dec 3, 2008, at 7:23 PM, David McLaughlin wrote: > Does anyone have experience running Mac OS 10.5 on an iBook G4 1 GHz? > > I am updating a family members' machine. I already plan on maxing > out the RAM at a wonderful 1.25 GB, :-/ > and changing the Hard drive to a 160 GB 5400. > > Will it be too slow using 10.5? Should I go with 10.4 instead? > > Any opinion would be helpful. > > Dave McLaughlin > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From alexander at rhoads.us Thu Dec 4 10:47:21 2008 From: alexander at rhoads.us (Alexander Rhoads) Date: Thu Dec 4 10:47:44 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] 3G in Des Moines! Message-ID: <1228409241.1681.1288276173@webmail.messagingengine.com> Woo Hoo!!!! AT&T switched on 3G this a.m. for Des Moines! -- Alexander Rhoads alexander@rhoads.us From aaron.jensen at mac.com Thu Dec 4 10:59:25 2008 From: aaron.jensen at mac.com (Aaron Jensen) Date: Thu Dec 4 10:59:56 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] 3G in Des Moines! In-Reply-To: <1228409241.1681.1288276173@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1228409241.1681.1288276173@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: Any word on the active coverage area? I am in the market for a couple of mobile broadband cards - might just sway me to AT&T. Aaron On Dec 4, 2008, at 10:47 AM, Alexander Rhoads wrote: > Woo Hoo!!!! AT&T switched on 3G this a.m. for Des Moines! > -- > Alexander Rhoads > alexander@rhoads.us > > > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From VLH at HerringLaw.com Thu Dec 4 11:55:37 2008 From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Thu Dec 4 11:56:35 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] 3G in Des Moines! In-Reply-To: <1228409241.1681.1288276173@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1228409241.1681.1288276173@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: GREAT NEWS!!! Tho I have noticed that with each software revision on the iPhone that it's picking up even Edge much better....thanks goodness -- Victoria L. Herring, Discrimination/Civil Rights Attorney, http://www.herringlaw.com; Travel Research/Photography site, http://www.JourneyZing.com; Online Gallery- http://gallery.journeyzing.com. Des Moines, Iowa; 515-255-4475 From studias at msn.com Thu Dec 4 14:11:43 2008 From: studias at msn.com (Geoffrey Stevens) Date: Thu Dec 4 14:12:07 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] iBook G4 & 10.5 In-Reply-To: <6A44A8BC-49AC-409E-9AF8-62384A0A477A@gmail.com> References: <6A44A8BC-49AC-409E-9AF8-62384A0A477A@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Guys, I saw your conversation, I also have a G4 e-mac (cpu@1 GHz-640 MB) running OS X 10.3.9. I want to upgrade to tiger. But my copy of tiger is in Arizona on an IMAC, out of reach presently. What I would really like is to buy a new copy of panther and run on both machines. If I read correctly - you are saying one can run 10.5 on a ibook G4. Is that the same as 10.5 on a e-mac G4? Geoff Stevens > From: cwsmith7@gmail.com > To: dmmug@dmmug.org > Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] iBook G4 & 10.5 > Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 10:18:02 -0600 > > I set up a similar iBook (G4 1GHz/1.25GB/10.5) for my friend Rob. It's > not the fastest Leopard machine ever (not ever gonna run Final Cut > Studio, for example), but it's acceptable for Internet, chat, iTunes, > word processing, and audio recording (up to about 8 tracks in Digital > Performer). > > Email me back if you like and I can offer more details. > > Peace, > CW > > ------------------------------------------------ > > CW Smith > guitar, bass, percussion, Macintosh > > cwsmith7@gmail.com > > ------------------------------------------------ > > > > > On Dec 3, 2008, at 7:23 PM, David McLaughlin wrote: > > > Does anyone have experience running Mac OS 10.5 on an iBook G4 1 GHz? > > > > I am updating a family members' machine. I already plan on maxing > > out the RAM at a wonderful 1.25 GB, :-/ > > and changing the Hard drive to a 160 GB 5400. > > > > Will it be too slow using 10.5? 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URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/dmmug/attachments/20081204/8d5b1be2/attachment.html From thorgrim at imaginarytower.org Thu Dec 4 14:17:17 2008 From: thorgrim at imaginarytower.org (David McLaughlin) Date: Thu Dec 4 14:17:45 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] iBook G4 & 10.5 In-Reply-To: References: <6A44A8BC-49AC-409E-9AF8-62384A0A477A@gmail.com> Message-ID: > If I read correctly - you are saying one can run 10.5 on a ibook G4. Yes you can run it. I was asking if the experience would be slow enough to be annoying. 10.5 likes more RAM than 10.4 or 10.3 (you get the idea). > Is that the same as 10.5 on a e-mac G4? The retail version of 10.5 (i.e. not an install DVD that can with a machine), will work/install on any machine that meets the minimum spec requirements. http://www.apple.com/macosx/techspecs/ David D. McLaughlin webmaster@dmmug.org From VLH at HerringLaw.com Thu Dec 4 15:04:46 2008 From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Thu Dec 4 15:10:24 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Contents of harddrive not showing up Message-ID: BTW I did also post this Q on MacOSXHints and it was suggested to run OmniDiskSweeper also to see what is there, which reported the same as WhatSize.. someone gave me a terminal command also, which resulted in the same -- but after all that, I looked again and it was back to 19G full...the guy at MacOSXHints said == so apparently, the Diskwarrior fixed the problem...good to know. *************** You've got 770 Megabytes of space occupied by a Spotlight index on that drive. As for the explanation of why it changed from 11 Gigabytes used into less than 1 Gigabyte used on the drive, perhaps you have some filesystem damage that Disk Utility or DiskWarrior repaired? . -- Victoria L. Herring, Discrimination/Civil Rights Attorney, http://www.herringlaw.com; Travel Research/Photography site, http://www.JourneyZing.com; Online Gallery- http://gallery.journeyzing.com. Des Moines, Iowa; 515-255-4475 From dean at webbwireless.net Thu Dec 4 21:54:52 2008 From: dean at webbwireless.net (Dean L.) Date: Thu Dec 4 22:18:30 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] 3G in Des Moines! In-Reply-To: References: <1228409241.1681.1288276173@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <3A3C1076-1095-47E0-8812-F0E838A2ABF4@webbwireless.net> What kind of speed can you get with both 3G and the older GSM cards? I-Wireless is telling me I can get DSL speeds... 3 Meg ? Plus I would not have a data cap on usage. This looks too good to be true. I would also like to find the price for the PCMCIA card that the SIM card plugs into. Thanks 73 ? Dean W5GXL ? W5GXL@ARRL.NET On Dec 4, 2008, at 10:59 AM, Aaron Jensen wrote: > Any word on the active coverage area? I am in the market for a > couple of mobile broadband cards - might just sway me to AT&T. > > Aaron > > On Dec 4, 2008, at 10:47 AM, Alexander Rhoads wrote: > >> Woo Hoo!!!! AT&T switched on 3G this a.m. for Des Moines! >> -- >> Alexander Rhoads >> alexander@rhoads.us >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> DMMUG mailing list >> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >> DMMUG@dmmug.org >> Use this page to modify subscription options: >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/dmmug/attachments/20081204/29ae9ce7/attachment.htm From bcarlso at gmail.com Thu Dec 4 22:25:21 2008 From: bcarlso at gmail.com (Brandon Carlson) Date: Thu Dec 4 22:25:44 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] 3G in Des Moines! In-Reply-To: <3A3C1076-1095-47E0-8812-F0E838A2ABF4@webbwireless.net> References: <1228409241.1681.1288276173@webmail.messagingengine.com> <3A3C1076-1095-47E0-8812-F0E838A2ABF4@webbwireless.net> Message-ID: <19cb0cc70812042025n30ba939cl71ccde56d9347bf6@mail.gmail.com> > What kind of speed can you get with both 3G and the older GSM cards? I've heard that you can go from 100% to 0% battery life in less than 6 hours using 3G. I generally get a couple of days on the older model. :-) Brandon On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 9:54 PM, Dean L. wrote: > What kind of speed can you get with both 3G and the older GSM cards? > I-Wireless is telling me I can get DSL speeds... 3 Meg ? Plus I would not > have a data cap on usage. > This looks too good to be true. > I would also like to find the price for the PCMCIA card that the SIM card > plugs into. > Thanks > > 73 ? Dean W5GXL ? > W5GXL@ARRL.NET > > > > > > > On Dec 4, 2008, at 10:59 AM, Aaron Jensen wrote: > > Any word on the active coverage area? I am in the market for a couple of > mobile broadband cards - might just sway me to AT&T. > > Aaron > > On Dec 4, 2008, at 10:47 AM, Alexander Rhoads wrote: > > Woo Hoo!!!! AT&T switched on 3G this a.m. for Des Moines! > > -- > > Alexander Rhoads > > alexander@rhoads.us > > > _______________________________________________ > > DMMUG mailing list > > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > > DMMUG@dmmug.org > > Use this page to modify subscription options: > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From hfwelch at mac.com Wed Dec 10 21:32:25 2008 From: hfwelch at mac.com (Holly Welch) Date: Wed Dec 10 21:32:52 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Spam Message-ID: <8CF0FD8E-7FF3-4E46-9C31-7B70A53D9333@mac.com> I know this has been answered before, but, when you get an email that looks like it from yourself, but it is an advertisement: 1.)how do they get your email? 2) has your email or your computer been compromised? 3)and, in the words of Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, "Who ARE those guys? " Thanks, Holly From newz at bearfruit.org Wed Dec 10 21:48:08 2008 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Wed Dec 10 21:48:33 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Spam In-Reply-To: <8CF0FD8E-7FF3-4E46-9C31-7B70A53D9333@mac.com> References: <8CF0FD8E-7FF3-4E46-9C31-7B70A53D9333@mac.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 9:32 PM, Holly Welch wrote: > I know this has been answered before, but, > when you get an email that looks like it from yourself, but it is an > advertisement: > > 1.)how do they get your email? Many ways - you might have given your email to someone who has no respect for your privacy, published it to a public place (and spam bots harvested it) or someone you correspond with had their computer compromised by a virus that collects email addresses. Also, there are other ways but these are the most obvious and encompassing methods. > 2) has your email or your computer been compromised? Probably not. If the email contains personally identifying information other than your email address or a portion thereof then be concerned. For example, emails from ebay contain your ebay user id in them. If you get an email that is not from ebay addressed to you and with your ebay user id then you should be concerned. So for example, I often get emails that say, "hello newz," that's nothing to be concerned about because they just used part of my email address. > 3)and, in the words of Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, "Who ARE those > guys? " Sometimes they're mis-guided people who naively think it's a good idea and a good bargain to send out 10,000 emails to solicit business. These are becoming rare and in many cases they're people trying to make even just a tiny bit of money by getting you to spend money for some product or service (knowingly doing something that is wrong - bulk commercial email), increasingly often they're people trying to get you to disclose information that gives them the ability to make money illicitly, or to get you to install malicious software on your computer that lets them use your computer for bad things. Best to just delete the email. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode From bcarlso at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 21:59:42 2008 From: bcarlso at gmail.com (Brandon Carlson) Date: Wed Dec 10 22:00:07 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Spam In-Reply-To: References: <8CF0FD8E-7FF3-4E46-9C31-7B70A53D9333@mac.com> Message-ID: <19cb0cc70812101959y5de4ce09m1c250cc575f8e94b@mail.gmail.com> > Many ways - you might have given your email to someone who has no > respect for your privacy, published it to a public place (and spam > bots harvested it) or someone you correspond with had their computer > compromised by a virus that collects email addresses. Also, there are > other ways but these are the most obvious and encompassing methods. I'd add in that when you forward those long e-mail chain letters it leaves your e-mail address in the chain, so when you hit that forward button you're giving out e-mail addresses to everybody you send the message to, even when they probably don't have a need for it. On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 9:48 PM, Matthew Nuzum wrote: > On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 9:32 PM, Holly Welch wrote: >> I know this has been answered before, but, >> when you get an email that looks like it from yourself, but it is an >> advertisement: >> >> 1.)how do they get your email? > > Many ways - you might have given your email to someone who has no > respect for your privacy, published it to a public place (and spam > bots harvested it) or someone you correspond with had their computer > compromised by a virus that collects email addresses. Also, there are > other ways but these are the most obvious and encompassing methods. > >> 2) has your email or your computer been compromised? > > Probably not. If the email contains personally identifying information > other than your email address or a portion thereof then be concerned. > For example, emails from ebay contain your ebay user id in them. If > you get an email that is not from ebay addressed to you and with your > ebay user id then you should be concerned. So for example, I often get > emails that say, "hello newz," that's nothing to be concerned about > because they just used part of my email address. > >> 3)and, in the words of Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, "Who ARE those >> guys? " > > Sometimes they're mis-guided people who naively think it's a good idea > and a good bargain to send out 10,000 emails to solicit business. > These are becoming rare and in many cases they're people trying to > make even just a tiny bit of money by getting you to spend money for > some product or service (knowingly doing something that is wrong - > bulk commercial email), increasingly often they're people trying to > get you to disclose information that gives them the ability to make > money illicitly, or to get you to install malicious software on your > computer that lets them use your computer for bad things. > > Best to just delete the email. > > -- > Matthew Nuzum > newz2000 on freenode > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From hfwelch at mac.com Wed Dec 10 21:59:49 2008 From: hfwelch at mac.com (Holly Welch) Date: Wed Dec 10 22:00:14 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Spam In-Reply-To: References: <8CF0FD8E-7FF3-4E46-9C31-7B70A53D9333@mac.com> Message-ID: <42EBA340-5ACA-4911-9E03-2C9DF08F41C2@mac.com> Thanks, Newz! Is it illegal for people to do that, or just a fact of life on the internet? On Dec 10, 2008, at 9:48 PM, Matthew Nuzum wrote: > On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 9:32 PM, Holly Welch wrote: >> I know this has been answered before, but, >> when you get an email that looks like it from yourself, but it is an >> advertisement: >> >> 1.)how do they get your email? > > Many ways - you might have given your email to someone who has no > respect for your privacy, published it to a public place (and spam > bots harvested it) or someone you correspond with had their computer > compromised by a virus that collects email addresses. Also, there are > other ways but these are the most obvious and encompassing methods. > >> 2) has your email or your computer been compromised? > > Probably not. If the email contains personally identifying information > other than your email address or a portion thereof then be concerned. > For example, emails from ebay contain your ebay user id in them. If > you get an email that is not from ebay addressed to you and with your > ebay user id then you should be concerned. So for example, I often get > emails that say, "hello newz," that's nothing to be concerned about > because they just used part of my email address. > >> 3)and, in the words of Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, "Who >> ARE those >> guys? " > > Sometimes they're mis-guided people who naively think it's a good idea > and a good bargain to send out 10,000 emails to solicit business. > These are becoming rare and in many cases they're people trying to > make even just a tiny bit of money by getting you to spend money for > some product or service (knowingly doing something that is wrong - > bulk commercial email), increasingly often they're people trying to > get you to disclose information that gives them the ability to make > money illicitly, or to get you to install malicious software on your > computer that lets them use your computer for bad things. > > Best to just delete the email. > > -- > Matthew Nuzum > newz2000 on freenode > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From VLH at HerringLaw.com Thu Dec 11 07:12:45 2008 From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Thu Dec 11 07:13:17 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Spam In-Reply-To: <19cb0cc70812101959y5de4ce09m1c250cc575f8e94b@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CF0FD8E-7FF3-4E46-9C31-7B70A53D9333@mac.com> <19cb0cc70812101959y5de4ce09m1c250cc575f8e94b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >I'd add in that when you forward those long e-mail chain letters it >leaves your e-mail address in the chain, so when you hit that forward >button you're giving out e-mail addresses to everybody you send the >message to, even when they probably don't have a need for it. if one does a BCC when one forwards an email does that in some way 'protect' the recipient? Or does any forward risk disclosure? -- Victoria L. Herring, Discrimination/Civil Rights Attorney, http://www.herringlaw.com; Travel Research/Photography site, http://www.JourneyZing.com; Online Gallery- http://gallery.journeyzing.com. Des Moines, Iowa; 515-255-4475 From jon at mac-consultant.com Thu Dec 11 07:27:55 2008 From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson) Date: Thu Dec 11 07:28:31 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Spam In-Reply-To: References: <8CF0FD8E-7FF3-4E46-9C31-7B70A53D9333@mac.com> <19cb0cc70812101959y5de4ce09m1c250cc575f8e94b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: If you do a BCC, it will protect the recipients from finding out about one another. However, it will not protect _you_ from having your email address associated with all forwards of said email until someone strips the headers out. In other words- spreading chain email is a bad idea. On Dec 11, 2008, at 7:12 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote: >> I'd add in that when you forward those long e-mail chain letters it >> leaves your e-mail address in the chain, so when you hit that forward >> button you're giving out e-mail addresses to everybody you send the >> message to, even when they probably don't have a need for it. > > if one does a BCC when one forwards an email does that in some way > 'protect' the recipient? Or does any forward risk disclosure? > -- > Victoria L. Herring, Discrimination/Civil Rights Attorney, http://www.herringlaw.com > ; Travel Research/Photography site, http://www.JourneyZing.com; > Online Gallery- http://gallery.journeyzing.com. Des Moines, Iowa; > 515-255-4475 > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From jlagnese at mac.com Thu Dec 11 07:30:05 2008 From: jlagnese at mac.com (James Lagnese) Date: Thu Dec 11 07:30:32 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Spam In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If people Bcc'd instead of forwarding, it would make electronic communications exponentially better. //On 12/11/08 7:12 AM, "Victoria L. Herring" wrote: >> I'd add in that when you forward those long e-mail chain letters it >> leaves your e-mail address in the chain, so when you hit that forward >> button you're giving out e-mail addresses to everybody you send the >> message to, even when they probably don't have a need for it. > > if one does a BCC when one forwards an email does that in some way > 'protect' the recipient? Or does any forward risk disclosure? From VLH at HerringLaw.com Thu Dec 11 07:30:59 2008 From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Thu Dec 11 07:31:29 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Spam In-Reply-To: References: <8CF0FD8E-7FF3-4E46-9C31-7B70A53D9333@mac.com> <19cb0cc70812101959y5de4ce09m1c250cc575f8e94b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I don't do it [and check Snopes first] but just wondered -- yet another reason not to chain!!! -- Victoria L. Herring, Discrimination/Civil Rights Attorney, http://www.herringlaw.com; Travel Research/Photography site, http://www.JourneyZing.com; Online Gallery- http://gallery.journeyzing.com. Des Moines, Iowa; 515-255-4475 From tyrrell69 at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 14:40:10 2008 From: tyrrell69 at gmail.com (Chris Tyrrell) Date: Thu Dec 11 14:40:38 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Spam In-Reply-To: <19cb0cc70812101959y5de4ce09m1c250cc575f8e94b@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CF0FD8E-7FF3-4E46-9C31-7B70A53D9333@mac.com> <19cb0cc70812101959y5de4ce09m1c250cc575f8e94b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <54c5ebf40812111240m51af7db6j1af66cd141612be6@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 9:59 PM, Brandon Carlson wrote: > I'd add in that when you forward those long e-mail chain letters it > leaves your e-mail address in the chain, so when you hit that forward > button you're giving out e-mail addresses to everybody you send the > message to, even when they probably don't have a need for it. > It's also worth pointing out that even if you never ever forward or even open those silly forwarded letters, you can be sure that another recipient will, leaving your address there for the whole world to see. Sadly, as soon as you provide your email address to anybody, you're a potential recipient of this kind of garbage. Consider having a "public" address and an inner circle address. Those with your inner circle address know how to use it. Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Chris Tyrrell wrote: > On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 9:59 PM, Brandon Carlson wrote: >> >> I'd add in that when you forward those long e-mail chain letters it >> leaves your e-mail address in the chain, so when you hit that forward >> button you're giving out e-mail addresses to everybody you send the >> message to, even when they probably don't have a need for it. > > > It's also worth pointing out that even if you never ever forward or even > open those silly forwarded letters, you can be sure that another recipient > will, leaving your address there for the whole world to see. > > Sadly, as soon as you provide your email address to anybody, you're a > potential recipient of this kind of garbage. Consider having a "public" > address and an inner circle address. Those with your inner circle address > know how to use it. > > > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From thorgrim at imaginarytower.org Thu Dec 11 17:43:50 2008 From: thorgrim at imaginarytower.org (David McLaughlin) Date: Thu Dec 11 17:44:15 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] 10 itouch/iPhone Tips Message-ID: http://www.taptaptap.com/blog/10-useful-iphone-tips-and-tricks/ OK, at least I found it useful. David D. McLaughlin webmaster@dmmug.org From newz at bearfruit.org Fri Dec 12 00:16:50 2008 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Fri Dec 12 00:17:14 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Spam In-Reply-To: <42EBA340-5ACA-4911-9E03-2C9DF08F41C2@mac.com> References: <8CF0FD8E-7FF3-4E46-9C31-7B70A53D9333@mac.com> <42EBA340-5ACA-4911-9E03-2C9DF08F41C2@mac.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 9:59 PM, Holly Welch wrote: > Thanks, Newz! > Is it illegal for people to do that, or just a fact of life on the internet? > Unsolicited commercial bulk email is illegal but hard to enforce. The wording is important because some kinds of bulk email are legal. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode From treeguy at crosspaths.net Fri Dec 12 20:08:56 2008 From: treeguy at crosspaths.net (treeguy@crosspaths.net) Date: Fri Dec 12 20:09:21 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Entourage issue Message-ID: <51032.75.162.53.105.1229134136.squirrel@webmail.crosspaths.net> I just switched to Qwest DSL. I just learned that Qwest does not support the above email program. Is there a simple tweak that will make them friendly or do I need to purchase Outlook Express 6 for the Mac (10.4.11) Doug Blakely From wjschoenenberger at qwest.net Fri Dec 12 21:08:12 2008 From: wjschoenenberger at qwest.net (William Schoenenberger) Date: Fri Dec 12 21:08:37 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Entourage issue In-Reply-To: <51032.75.162.53.105.1229134136.squirrel@webmail.crosspaths.net> References: <51032.75.162.53.105.1229134136.squirrel@webmail.crosspaths.net> Message-ID: Doug I use Entourage and have DSL. DSL does not care what email program you use. William William Schoenenberger Des Moines, IA wjschoenenberger@qwest.net On Dec 12, 2008, at 8:08 PM, treeguy@crosspaths.net wrote: > I just switched to Qwest DSL. I just learned that Qwest does not > support > the above email program. Is there a simple tweak that will make them > friendly or do I need to purchase Outlook Express 6 for the Mac > (10.4.11) > > Doug Blakely > > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From jon at mac-consultant.com Fri Dec 12 22:05:07 2008 From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson) Date: Fri Dec 12 22:05:31 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Entourage issue In-Reply-To: References: <51032.75.162.53.105.1229134136.squirrel@webmail.crosspaths.net> Message-ID: <0BB0EA54-7AAF-48E3-81AA-85CB1A918D81@mac-consultant.com> There is no need to use a "supported" email program, and they appear to not support mac email clients at all. However, email is based on standards, meaning that you can use whatever client you are familiar with. Qwest even has setup pages for "unsupported" email clients... http://www.qwest.com/internethelp/email/entourage.html I would recommend against entourage, and toward Apple mail. Entourage stores all of your mail in one giant file, which means that each backup takes the space of that file each time you backup. Plus if you have a corruption of that file, you are potentially out your data. Apple mail makes each email a separate file, so it is much less likely to have a catastrophic failure. -- - Jon On Dec 12, 2008, at 9:08 PM, William Schoenenberger wrote: > Doug > > I use Entourage and have DSL. > > DSL does not care what email program you use. > > William > William Schoenenberger > Des Moines, IA > wjschoenenberger@qwest.net > > > On Dec 12, 2008, at 8:08 PM, treeguy@crosspaths.net wrote: > >> I just switched to Qwest DSL. I just learned that Qwest does not >> support >> the above email program. Is there a simple tweak that will make them >> friendly or do I need to purchase Outlook Express 6 for the Mac >> (10.4.11) >> >> Doug Blakely >> >> _______________________________________________ >> DMMUG mailing list >> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >> DMMUG@dmmug.org >> Use this page to modify subscription options: >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From wjschoenenberger at qwest.net Sat Dec 13 05:16:55 2008 From: wjschoenenberger at qwest.net (William Schoenenberger) Date: Sat Dec 13 05:17:17 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Entourage issue In-Reply-To: <0BB0EA54-7AAF-48E3-81AA-85CB1A918D81@mac-consultant.com> References: <51032.75.162.53.105.1229134136.squirrel@webmail.crosspaths.net> <0BB0EA54-7AAF-48E3-81AA-85CB1A918D81@mac-consultant.com> Message-ID: <4752FBA1-8D7F-4955-97F3-6983B3D1DFF6@qwest.net> I agree. The only reason I use Entourage is the work email server is Exchange. Home account is accessed via Mail. William William Schoenenberger Des Moines, IA wjschoenenberger@qwest.net On Dec 12, 2008, at 10:05 PM, Jon Thompson wrote: > There is no need to use a "supported" email program, and they appear > to not support mac email clients at all. However, email is based on > standards, meaning that you can use whatever client you are familiar > with. Qwest even has setup pages for "unsupported" email clients... > > http://www.qwest.com/internethelp/email/entourage.html > > > I would recommend against entourage, and toward Apple mail. > Entourage stores all of your mail in one giant file, which means > that each backup takes the space of that file each time you backup. > Plus if you have a corruption of that file, you are potentially out > your data. > > Apple mail makes each email a separate file, so it is much less > likely to have a catastrophic failure. > > -- > - Jon > On Dec 12, 2008, at 9:08 PM, William Schoenenberger wrote: > >> Doug >> >> I use Entourage and have DSL. >> >> DSL does not care what email program you use. >> >> William >> William Schoenenberger >> Des Moines, IA >> wjschoenenberger@qwest.net >> >> >> On Dec 12, 2008, at 8:08 PM, treeguy@crosspaths.net wrote: >> >>> I just switched to Qwest DSL. I just learned that Qwest does not >>> support >>> the above email program. Is there a simple tweak that will make them >>> friendly or do I need to purchase Outlook Express 6 for the Mac >>> (10.4.11) >>> >>> Doug Blakely >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> DMMUG mailing list >>> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >>> DMMUG@dmmug.org >>> Use this page to modify subscription options: >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> DMMUG mailing list >> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >> DMMUG@dmmug.org >> Use this page to modify subscription options: >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From myztikjenz at gmail.com Sat Dec 13 10:13:07 2008 From: myztikjenz at gmail.com (Myztik Jenz) Date: Sat Dec 13 10:13:30 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Free books Message-ID: Howdy all I have two brand-new copies of both "My iPhone (2nd Edition)" and "Office 2008 for the Mac - On Demand" that are free for the taking to anyone who is interested. Amazon links... My iPhone - http://tinyurl.com/6lprt3 Office 2008 - http://tinyurl.com/6zfe2o I live in Urbandale and work in Clive so if you're close to either location, I can drop it off or you can swing by and pick it up. If you'd like one and are not in/around Des Moines, I'm willing to ship but you'd have to pay for the postage. Free books make excellent gifts! Jim From studias at msn.com Sat Dec 13 10:24:40 2008 From: studias at msn.com (Geoffrey Stevens) Date: Sat Dec 13 10:25:04 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Entourage issue In-Reply-To: <4752FBA1-8D7F-4955-97F3-6983B3D1DFF6@qwest.net> References: <51032.75.162.53.105.1229134136.squirrel@webmail.crosspaths.net> <0BB0EA54-7AAF-48E3-81AA-85CB1A918D81@mac-consultant.com> <4752FBA1-8D7F-4955-97F3-6983B3D1DFF6@qwest.net> Message-ID: Jon, What you say about entourage ... I would recommend against entourage, and toward Apple mail. > Entourage stores all of your mail in one giant file, which means > that each backup takes the space of that file each time you backup. > Plus if you have a corruption of that file, you are potentially out > your data. I use MSN Hotmail - is that a same problem as you say about entourage? Geoff > From: wjschoenenberger@qwest.net > To: dmmug@dmmug.org > Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Entourage issue > Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 05:16:55 -0600 > > I agree. The only reason I use Entourage is the work email server is > Exchange. Home account is accessed via Mail. > > William > > > William Schoenenberger > Des Moines, IA > wjschoenenberger@qwest.net > > > On Dec 12, 2008, at 10:05 PM, Jon Thompson wrote: > > > There is no need to use a "supported" email program, and they appear > > to not support mac email clients at all. However, email is based on > > standards, meaning that you can use whatever client you are familiar > > with. Qwest even has setup pages for "unsupported" email clients... > > > > http://www.qwest.com/internethelp/email/entourage.html > > > > > > I would recommend against entourage, and toward Apple mail. > > Entourage stores all of your mail in one giant file, which means > > that each backup takes the space of that file each time you backup. > > Plus if you have a corruption of that file, you are potentially out > > your data. > > > > Apple mail makes each email a separate file, so it is much less > > likely to have a catastrophic failure. > > > > -- > > - Jon > > On Dec 12, 2008, at 9:08 PM, William Schoenenberger wrote: > > > >> Doug > >> > >> I use Entourage and have DSL. > >> > >> DSL does not care what email program you use. > >> > >> William > >> William Schoenenberger > >> Des Moines, IA > >> wjschoenenberger@qwest.net > >> > >> > >> On Dec 12, 2008, at 8:08 PM, treeguy@crosspaths.net wrote: > >> > >>> I just switched to Qwest DSL. I just learned that Qwest does not > >>> support > >>> the above email program. Is there a simple tweak that will make them > >>> friendly or do I need to purchase Outlook Express 6 for the Mac > >>> (10.4.11) > >>> > >>> Doug Blakely > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> DMMUG mailing list > >>> Use this Address to send mail to the list: > >>> DMMUG@dmmug.org > >>> Use this page to modify subscription options: > >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> DMMUG mailing list > >> Use this Address to send mail to the list: > >> DMMUG@dmmug.org > >> Use this page to modify subscription options: > >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > > > _______________________________________________ > > DMMUG mailing list > > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > > DMMUG@dmmug.org > > Use this page to modify subscription options: > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > > > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/dmmug/attachments/20081213/6fdb897e/attachment.html From VLH at HerringLaw.com Sat Dec 13 10:28:02 2008 From: VLH at HerringLaw.com (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Sat Dec 13 10:28:30 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Free books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jim =- I'll take the iPhone book...Thanks -- Victoria L. Herring, Discrimination/Civil Rights Attorney, http://www.herringlaw.com; Travel Research/Photography site, http://www.JourneyZing.com; Online Gallery- http://gallery.journeyzing.com. Des Moines, Iowa; 515-255-4475 From jon at mac-consultant.com Sat Dec 13 10:29:46 2008 From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson) Date: Sat Dec 13 10:30:10 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Entourage issue In-Reply-To: References: <51032.75.162.53.105.1229134136.squirrel@webmail.crosspaths.net> <0BB0EA54-7AAF-48E3-81AA-85CB1A918D81@mac-consultant.com> <4752FBA1-8D7F-4955-97F3-6983B3D1DFF6@qwest.net> Message-ID: <1ED2ED1A-3C73-4D94-B178-6D7758D3CF33@mac-consultant.com> Geoff, I assume if you are using hotmail, you are not actually using an application other than your web browser. This means that all of your data is located on Microsoft's servers at all times, and you are just using a web browser to view it. In that instance, there is no data on your computer at all, and it is Microsoft's responsibility to back it up and keep it safe. -- Jon On Dec 13, 2008, at 10:24 AM, Geoffrey Stevens wrote: > Jon, > What you say about entourage ... > I would recommend against entourage, and toward Apple mail. > > Entourage stores all of your mail in one giant file, which means > > that each backup takes the space of that file each time you backup. > > Plus if you have a corruption of that file, you are potentially out > > your data. > > I use MSN Hotmail - is that a same problem as you say about entourage? > Geoff > > > From: wjschoenenberger@qwest.net > > To: dmmug@dmmug.org > > Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Entourage issue > > Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 05:16:55 -0600 > > > > I agree. The only reason I use Entourage is the work email server is > > Exchange. Home account is accessed via Mail. > > > > William > > > > > > William Schoenenberger > > Des Moines, IA > > wjschoenenberger@qwest.net > > > > > > On Dec 12, 2008, at 10:05 PM, Jon Thompson wrote: > > > > > There is no need to use a "supported" email program, and they > appear > > > to not support mac email clients at all. However, email is based > on > > > standards, meaning that you can use whatever client you are > familiar > > > with. Qwest even has setup pages for "unsupported" email > clients... > > > > > > http://www.qwest.com/internethelp/email/entourage.html > > > > > > > > > I would recommend against entourage, and toward Apple mail. > > > Entourage stores all of your mail in one giant file, which means > > > that each backup takes the space of that file each time you > backup. > > > Plus if you have a corruption of that file, you are potentially > out > > > your data. > > > > > > Apple mail makes each email a separate file, so it is much less > > > likely to have a catastrophic failure. > > > > > > -- > > > - Jon > > > On Dec 12, 2008, at 9:08 PM, William Schoenenberger wrote: > > > > > >> Doug > > >> > > >> I use Entourage and have DSL. > > >> > > >> DSL does not care what email program you use. > > >> > > >> William > > >> William Schoenenberger > > >> Des Moines, IA > > >> wjschoenenberger@qwest.net > > >> > > >> > > >> On Dec 12, 2008, at 8:08 PM, treeguy@crosspaths.net wrote: > > >> > > >>> I just switched to Qwest DSL. I just learned that Qwest does not > > >>> support > > >>> the above email program. Is there a simple tweak that will > make them > > >>> friendly or do I need to purchase Outlook Express 6 for the Mac > > >>> (10.4.11) > > >>> > > >>> Doug Blakely > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> DMMUG mailing list > > >>> Use this Address to send mail to the list: > > >>> DMMUG@dmmug.org > > >>> Use this page to modify subscription options: > > >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > >>> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> DMMUG mailing list > > >> Use this Address to send mail to the list: > > >> DMMUG@dmmug.org > > >> Use this page to modify subscription options: > > >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > DMMUG mailing list > > > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > > > DMMUG@dmmug.org > > > Use this page to modify subscription options: > > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > DMMUG mailing list > > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > > DMMUG@dmmug.org > > Use this page to modify subscription options: > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In that instance, there is no data on your computer at all, and it is Microsoft's responsibility to back it up and keep it safe. -- Jon On Dec 13, 2008, at 10:24 AM, Geoffrey Stevens wrote:Jon, What you say about entourage ... I would recommend against entourage, and toward Apple mail. > Entourage stores all of your mail in one giant file, which means > that each backup takes the space of that file each time you backup. > Plus if you have a corruption of that file, you are potentially out > your data. I use MSN Hotmail - is that a same problem as you say about entourage? Geoff > From: wjschoenenberger@qwest.net > To: dmmug@dmmug.org > Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Entourage issue > Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 05:16:55 -0600 > > I agree. The only reason I use Entourage is the work email server is > Exchange. Home account is accessed via Mail. > > William > > > William Schoenenberger > Des Moines, IA > wjschoenenberger@qwest.net > > > On Dec 12, 2008, at 10:05 PM, Jon Thompson wrote: > > > There is no need to use a "supported" email program, and they appear > > to not support mac email clients at all. However, email is based on > > standards, meaning that you can use whatever client you are familiar > > with. Qwest even has setup pages for "unsupported" email clients... > > > > http://www.qwest.com/internethelp/email/entourage.html > > > > > > I would recommend against entourage, and toward Apple mail. > > Entourage stores all of your mail in one giant file, which means > > that each backup takes the space of that file each time you backup. > > Plus if you have a corruption of that file, you are potentially out > > your data. > > > > Apple mail makes each email a separate file, so it is much less > > likely to have a catastrophic failure. > > > > -- > > - Jon > > On Dec 12, 2008, at 9:08 PM, William Schoenenberger wrote: > > > >> Doug > >> > >> I use Entourage and have DSL. > >> > >> DSL does not care what email program you use. > >> > >> William > >> William Schoenenberger > >> Des Moines, IA > >> wjschoenenberger@qwest.net > >> > >> > >> On Dec 12, 2008, at 8:08 PM, treeguy@crosspaths.net wrote: > >> > >>> I just switched to Qwest DSL. I just learned that Qwest does not > >>> support > >>> the above email program. Is there a simple tweak that will make them > >>> friendly or do I need to purchase Outlook Express 6 for the Mac > >>> (10.4.11) > >>> > >>> Doug Blakely > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> DMMUG mailing list > >>> Use this Address to send mail to the list: > >>> DMMUG@dmmug.org > >>> Use this page to modify subscription options: > >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> DMMUG mailing list > >> Use this Address to send mail to the list: > >> DMMUG@dmmug.org > >> Use this page to modify subscription options: > >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > > > _______________________________________________ > > DMMUG mailing list > > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > > DMMUG@dmmug.org > > Use this page to modify subscription options: > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > > > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug _______________________________________________ DMMUG mailing list Use this Address to send mail to the list: DMMUG@dmmug.org Use this page to modify subscription options: http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/dmmug/attachments/20081213/daaa7462/attachment.htm From jerry at heiselman.com Sat Dec 13 12:13:54 2008 From: jerry at heiselman.com (Jerry Heiselman) Date: Sat Dec 13 12:14:20 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Entourage issue In-Reply-To: <1ED2ED1A-3C73-4D94-B178-6D7758D3CF33@mac-consultant.com> References: <51032.75.162.53.105.1229134136.squirrel@webmail.crosspaths.net> <0BB0EA54-7AAF-48E3-81AA-85CB1A918D81@mac-consultant.com> <4752FBA1-8D7F-4955-97F3-6983B3D1DFF6@qwest.net> <1ED2ED1A-3C73-4D94-B178-6D7758D3CF33@mac-consultant.com> Message-ID: <45a88bbd0812131013n5a03fbb1oec67c614e9ec1a44@mail.gmail.com> Well, you're half right. Entourage does use web apis to download copies of your mail from hotmail/windows live mail and it does keep that information synchronized, but the license agreement specifically states that Microsoft is NOT responsible for backing up your email. The responsibility lies with you and they cannot be held responsible for loss of information. Jerry On 12/13/08, Jon Thompson wrote: > Geoff, > > I assume if you are using hotmail, you are not actually using an > application other than your web browser. This means that all of your > data is located on Microsoft's servers at all times, and you are just > using a web browser to view it. In that instance, there is no data on > your computer at all, and it is Microsoft's responsibility to back it > up and keep it safe. > > -- Jon > On Dec 13, 2008, at 10:24 AM, Geoffrey Stevens wrote: > >> Jon, >> What you say about entourage ... >> I would recommend against entourage, and toward Apple mail. >> > Entourage stores all of your mail in one giant file, which means >> > that each backup takes the space of that file each time you backup. >> > Plus if you have a corruption of that file, you are potentially out >> > your data. >> >> I use MSN Hotmail - is that a same problem as you say about entourage? >> Geoff >> >> > From: wjschoenenberger@qwest.net >> > To: dmmug@dmmug.org >> > Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Entourage issue >> > Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 05:16:55 -0600 >> > >> > I agree. The only reason I use Entourage is the work email server is >> > Exchange. Home account is accessed via Mail. >> > >> > William >> > >> > >> > William Schoenenberger >> > Des Moines, IA >> > wjschoenenberger@qwest.net >> > >> > >> > On Dec 12, 2008, at 10:05 PM, Jon Thompson wrote: >> > >> > > There is no need to use a "supported" email program, and they >> appear >> > > to not support mac email clients at all. However, email is based >> on >> > > standards, meaning that you can use whatever client you are >> familiar >> > > with. Qwest even has setup pages for "unsupported" email >> clients... >> > > >> > > http://www.qwest.com/internethelp/email/entourage.html >> > > >> > > >> > > I would recommend against entourage, and toward Apple mail. >> > > Entourage stores all of your mail in one giant file, which means >> > > that each backup takes the space of that file each time you >> backup. >> > > Plus if you have a corruption of that file, you are potentially >> out >> > > your data. >> > > >> > > Apple mail makes each email a separate file, so it is much less >> > > likely to have a catastrophic failure. >> > > >> > > -- >> > > - Jon >> > > On Dec 12, 2008, at 9:08 PM, William Schoenenberger wrote: >> > > >> > >> Doug >> > >> >> > >> I use Entourage and have DSL. >> > >> >> > >> DSL does not care what email program you use. >> > >> >> > >> William >> > >> William Schoenenberger >> > >> Des Moines, IA >> > >> wjschoenenberger@qwest.net >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> On Dec 12, 2008, at 8:08 PM, treeguy@crosspaths.net wrote: >> > >> >> > >>> I just switched to Qwest DSL. I just learned that Qwest does not >> > >>> support >> > >>> the above email program. Is there a simple tweak that will >> make them >> > >>> friendly or do I need to purchase Outlook Express 6 for the Mac >> > >>> (10.4.11) >> > >>> >> > >>> Doug Blakely >> > >>> >> > >>> _______________________________________________ >> > >>> DMMUG mailing list >> > >>> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >> > >>> DMMUG@dmmug.org >> > >>> Use this page to modify subscription options: >> > >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> > >>> >> > >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> DMMUG mailing list >> > >> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >> > >> DMMUG@dmmug.org >> > >> Use this page to modify subscription options: >> > >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > DMMUG mailing list >> > > Use this Address to send mail to the list: >> > > DMMUG@dmmug.org >> > > Use this page to modify subscription options: >> > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> > > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > DMMUG mailing list >> > Use this Address to send mail to the list: >> > DMMUG@dmmug.org >> > Use this page to modify subscription options: >> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> _______________________________________________ >> DMMUG mailing list >> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >> DMMUG@dmmug.org >> Use this page to modify subscription options: >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > -- Jerry From jon at mac-consultant.com Sat Dec 13 12:22:17 2008 From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson) Date: Sat Dec 13 12:22:41 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Entourage issue In-Reply-To: <45a88bbd0812131013n5a03fbb1oec67c614e9ec1a44@mail.gmail.com> References: <51032.75.162.53.105.1229134136.squirrel@webmail.crosspaths.net> <0BB0EA54-7AAF-48E3-81AA-85CB1A918D81@mac-consultant.com> <4752FBA1-8D7F-4955-97F3-6983B3D1DFF6@qwest.net> <1ED2ED1A-3C73-4D94-B178-6D7758D3CF33@mac-consultant.com> <45a88bbd0812131013n5a03fbb1oec67c614e9ec1a44@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Oh, whoops my bad. No wonder I don't use hotmail. And that is if you are using entourage with hotmail, which I interpreted is not the case, as is clear in my reply (that they are using a web browser.) Finally, unless there is something special for hotmail, Entourage uses standard mail protocols (IMAP, POP, SMTP) for all connections but to an exchange server, none of which are http or https. -- - Jon On Dec 13, 2008, at 12:13 PM, Jerry Heiselman wrote: > Well, you're half right. > > Entourage does use web apis to download copies of your mail from > hotmail/windows live mail and it does keep that information > synchronized, but the license agreement specifically states that > Microsoft is NOT responsible for backing up your email. The > responsibility lies with you and they cannot be held responsible for > loss of information. > > Jerry > > On 12/13/08, Jon Thompson wrote: >> Geoff, >> >> I assume if you are using hotmail, you are not actually using an >> application other than your web browser. This means that all of your >> data is located on Microsoft's servers at all times, and you are just >> using a web browser to view it. In that instance, there is no data >> on >> your computer at all, and it is Microsoft's responsibility to back it >> up and keep it safe. >> >> -- Jon >> On Dec 13, 2008, at 10:24 AM, Geoffrey Stevens wrote: >> >>> Jon, >>> What you say about entourage ... >>> I would recommend against entourage, and toward Apple mail. >>>> Entourage stores all of your mail in one giant file, which means >>>> that each backup takes the space of that file each time you backup. >>>> Plus if you have a corruption of that file, you are potentially out >>>> your data. >>> >>> I use MSN Hotmail - is that a same problem as you say about >>> entourage? >>> Geoff >>> >>>> From: wjschoenenberger@qwest.net >>>> To: dmmug@dmmug.org >>>> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Entourage issue >>>> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 05:16:55 -0600 >>>> >>>> I agree. The only reason I use Entourage is the work email server >>>> is >>>> Exchange. Home account is accessed via Mail. >>>> >>>> William >>>> >>>> >>>> William Schoenenberger >>>> Des Moines, IA >>>> wjschoenenberger@qwest.net >>>> >>>> >>>> On Dec 12, 2008, at 10:05 PM, Jon Thompson wrote: >>>> >>>>> There is no need to use a "supported" email program, and they >>> appear >>>>> to not support mac email clients at all. However, email is based >>> on >>>>> standards, meaning that you can use whatever client you are >>> familiar >>>>> with. Qwest even has setup pages for "unsupported" email >>> clients... >>>>> >>>>> http://www.qwest.com/internethelp/email/entourage.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I would recommend against entourage, and toward Apple mail. >>>>> Entourage stores all of your mail in one giant file, which means >>>>> that each backup takes the space of that file each time you >>> backup. >>>>> Plus if you have a corruption of that file, you are potentially >>> out >>>>> your data. >>>>> >>>>> Apple mail makes each email a separate file, so it is much less >>>>> likely to have a catastrophic failure. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> - Jon >>>>> On Dec 12, 2008, at 9:08 PM, William Schoenenberger wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Doug >>>>>> >>>>>> I use Entourage and have DSL. >>>>>> >>>>>> DSL does not care what email program you use. >>>>>> >>>>>> William >>>>>> William Schoenenberger >>>>>> Des Moines, IA >>>>>> wjschoenenberger@qwest.net >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Dec 12, 2008, at 8:08 PM, treeguy@crosspaths.net wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I just switched to Qwest DSL. I just learned that Qwest does not >>>>>>> support >>>>>>> the above email program. Is there a simple tweak that will >>> make them >>>>>>> friendly or do I need to purchase Outlook Express 6 for the Mac >>>>>>> (10.4.11) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Doug Blakely >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> DMMUG mailing list >>>>>>> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >>>>>>> DMMUG@dmmug.org >>>>>>> Use this page to modify subscription options: >>>>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> DMMUG mailing list >>>>>> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >>>>>> DMMUG@dmmug.org >>>>>> Use this page to modify subscription options: >>>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> DMMUG mailing list >>>>> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >>>>> DMMUG@dmmug.org >>>>> Use this page to modify subscription options: >>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> DMMUG mailing list >>>> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >>>> DMMUG@dmmug.org >>>> Use this page to modify subscription options: >>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >>> _______________________________________________ >>> DMMUG mailing list >>> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >>> DMMUG@dmmug.org >>> Use this page to modify subscription options: >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> >> > > > -- > Jerry > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From Chris at kagallery.net Sat Dec 13 12:28:07 2008 From: Chris at kagallery.net (Chris Kavanaugh) Date: Sat Dec 13 12:28:15 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Entourage issue In-Reply-To: References: <51032.75.162.53.105.1229134136.squirrel@webmail.crosspaths.net> <0BB0EA54-7AAF-48E3-81AA-85CB1A918D81@mac-consultant.com> <4752FBA1-8D7F-4955-97F3-6983B3D1DFF6@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3A9205B6-6610-4822-A91D-B6017A554275@kagallery.net> I cant get qwest to read usenet any more. I used to be able to do this with mindspring and when they got eaten by earthlink eventually that function was lost. I have never been able to do it with my qwest dsl. Not that usenet is a main mail function but it was nice to be able to go there. CRR On Dec 13, 2008, at 10:24 AM, Geoffrey Stevens wrote: > > > http://www.qwest.com/internethelp/email/entourage.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/dmmug/attachments/20081213/3282d253/attachment.html From jerry at heiselman.com Sat Dec 13 13:53:38 2008 From: jerry at heiselman.com (Jerry Heiselman) Date: Sat Dec 13 13:54:06 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Entourage issue In-Reply-To: References: <51032.75.162.53.105.1229134136.squirrel@webmail.crosspaths.net> <0BB0EA54-7AAF-48E3-81AA-85CB1A918D81@mac-consultant.com> <4752FBA1-8D7F-4955-97F3-6983B3D1DFF6@qwest.net> <1ED2ED1A-3C73-4D94-B178-6D7758D3CF33@mac-consultant.com> <45a88bbd0812131013n5a03fbb1oec67c614e9ec1a44@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45a88bbd0812131153m1b0dabaam8a833c0dfb3e7bec@mail.gmail.com> Entourage does use https for hotmail communications. It is the one exception to the standard protocols (well, that and Mapi which is used to support Exchange communications and so is well used). The https communication uses special web apis to fetch your mail as opposed to actually just being a web browser showing a web page. On 12/13/08, Jon Thompson wrote: > Oh, whoops my bad. No wonder I don't use hotmail. > > And that is if you are using entourage with hotmail, which I > interpreted is not the case, as is clear in my reply (that they are > using a web browser.) > > Finally, unless there is something special for hotmail, Entourage uses > standard mail protocols (IMAP, POP, SMTP) for all connections but to > an exchange server, none of which are http or https. > > -- > - Jon > On Dec 13, 2008, at 12:13 PM, Jerry Heiselman wrote: > >> Well, you're half right. >> >> Entourage does use web apis to download copies of your mail from >> hotmail/windows live mail and it does keep that information >> synchronized, but the license agreement specifically states that >> Microsoft is NOT responsible for backing up your email. The >> responsibility lies with you and they cannot be held responsible for >> loss of information. >> >> Jerry >> >> On 12/13/08, Jon Thompson wrote: >>> Geoff, >>> >>> I assume if you are using hotmail, you are not actually using an >>> application other than your web browser. This means that all of your >>> data is located on Microsoft's servers at all times, and you are just >>> using a web browser to view it. In that instance, there is no data >>> on >>> your computer at all, and it is Microsoft's responsibility to back it >>> up and keep it safe. >>> >>> -- Jon >>> On Dec 13, 2008, at 10:24 AM, Geoffrey Stevens wrote: >>> >>>> Jon, >>>> What you say about entourage ... >>>> I would recommend against entourage, and toward Apple mail. >>>>> Entourage stores all of your mail in one giant file, which means >>>>> that each backup takes the space of that file each time you backup. >>>>> Plus if you have a corruption of that file, you are potentially out >>>>> your data. >>>> >>>> I use MSN Hotmail - is that a same problem as you say about >>>> entourage? >>>> Geoff >>>> >>>>> From: wjschoenenberger@qwest.net >>>>> To: dmmug@dmmug.org >>>>> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Entourage issue >>>>> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 05:16:55 -0600 >>>>> >>>>> I agree. The only reason I use Entourage is the work email server >>>>> is >>>>> Exchange. Home account is accessed via Mail. >>>>> >>>>> William >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> William Schoenenberger >>>>> Des Moines, IA >>>>> wjschoenenberger@qwest.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Dec 12, 2008, at 10:05 PM, Jon Thompson wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> There is no need to use a "supported" email program, and they >>>> appear >>>>>> to not support mac email clients at all. However, email is based >>>> on >>>>>> standards, meaning that you can use whatever client you are >>>> familiar >>>>>> with. Qwest even has setup pages for "unsupported" email >>>> clients... >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.qwest.com/internethelp/email/entourage.html >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I would recommend against entourage, and toward Apple mail. >>>>>> Entourage stores all of your mail in one giant file, which means >>>>>> that each backup takes the space of that file each time you >>>> backup. >>>>>> Plus if you have a corruption of that file, you are potentially >>>> out >>>>>> your data. >>>>>> >>>>>> Apple mail makes each email a separate file, so it is much less >>>>>> likely to have a catastrophic failure. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> - Jon >>>>>> On Dec 12, 2008, at 9:08 PM, William Schoenenberger wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Doug >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I use Entourage and have DSL. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> DSL does not care what email program you use. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> William >>>>>>> William Schoenenberger >>>>>>> Des Moines, IA >>>>>>> wjschoenenberger@qwest.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 12, 2008, at 8:08 PM, treeguy@crosspaths.net wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I just switched to Qwest DSL. I just learned that Qwest does not >>>>>>>> support >>>>>>>> the above email program. Is there a simple tweak that will >>>> make them >>>>>>>> friendly or do I need to purchase Outlook Express 6 for the Mac >>>>>>>> (10.4.11) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Doug Blakely >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> DMMUG mailing list >>>>>>>> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >>>>>>>> DMMUG@dmmug.org >>>>>>>> Use this page to modify subscription options: >>>>>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> DMMUG mailing list >>>>>>> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >>>>>>> DMMUG@dmmug.org >>>>>>> Use this page to modify subscription options: >>>>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> DMMUG mailing list >>>>>> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >>>>>> DMMUG@dmmug.org >>>>>> Use this page to modify subscription options: >>>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> DMMUG mailing list >>>>> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >>>>> DMMUG@dmmug.org >>>>> Use this page to modify subscription options: >>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> DMMUG mailing list >>>> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >>>> DMMUG@dmmug.org >>>> Use this page to modify subscription options: >>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Jerry >> _______________________________________________ >> DMMUG mailing list >> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >> DMMUG@dmmug.org >> Use this page to modify subscription options: >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > -- Jerry From homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net Sun Dec 14 16:45:52 2008 From: homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net (Sharalyn) Date: Sun Dec 14 16:46:26 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Entourage issue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I agree that Entourage is a problem because of the single file issue, but mac mail seems to be so lacking in all the great features. On 12/13/08 10:24 AM, "Geoffrey Stevens" wrote: > Jon, > What you say about entourage ... > I would recommend against entourage, and toward Apple mail. >> > Entourage stores all of your mail in one giant file, which means >> > that each backup takes the space of that file each time you backup. >> > Plus if you have a corruption of that file, you are potentially out >> > your data. > > I use MSN Hotmail - is that a same problem as you say about entourage? > Geoff > >> > From: wjschoenenberger@qwest.net >> > To: dmmug@dmmug.org >> > Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Entourage issue >> > Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 05:16:55 -0600 >> > >> > I agree. The only reason I use Entourage is the work email server is >> > Exchange. Home account is accessed via Mail. >> > >> > William >> > >> > >> > William Schoenenberger >> > Des Moines, IA >> > wjschoenenberger@qwest.net >> > >> > >> > On Dec 12, 2008, at 10:05 PM, Jon Thompson wrote: >> > >>> > > There is no need to use a "supported" email program, and they appear >>> > > to not support mac email clients at all. However, email is based on >>> > > standards, meaning that you can use whatever client you are familiar >>> > > with. Qwest even has setup pages for "unsupported" email clients... >>> > > >>> > > http://www.qwest.com/internethelp/email/entourage.html >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > I would recommend against entourage, and toward Apple mail. >>> > > Entourage stores all of your mail in one giant file, which means >>> > > that each backup takes the space of that file each time you backup. >>> > > Plus if you have a corruption of that file, you are potentially out >>> > > your data. >>> > > >>> > > Apple mail makes each email a separate file, so it is much less >>> > > likely to have a catastrophic failure. >>> > > >>> > > -- >>> > > - Jon >>> > > On Dec 12, 2008, at 9:08 PM, William Schoenenberger wrote: >>> > > >>>> > >> Doug >>>> > >> >>>> > >> I use Entourage and have DSL. >>>> > >> >>>> > >> DSL does not care what email program you use. >>>> > >> >>>> > >> William >>>> > >> William Schoenenberger >>>> > >> Des Moines, IA >>>> > >> wjschoenenberger@qwest.net >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> On Dec 12, 2008, at 8:08 PM, treeguy@crosspaths.net wrote: >>>> > >> >>>>> > >>> I just switched to Qwest DSL. I just learned that Qwest does not >>>>> > >>> support >>>>> > >>> the above email program. Is there a simple tweak that will make them >>>>> > >>> friendly or do I need to purchase Outlook Express 6 for the Mac >>>>> > >>> (10.4.11) >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> Doug Blakely >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> > >>> DMMUG mailing list >>>>> > >>> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >>>>> > >>> DMMUG@dmmug.org >>>>> > >>> Use this page to modify subscription options: >>>>> > >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >>>>> > >>> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> _______________________________________________ >>>> > >> DMMUG mailing list >>>> > >> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >>>> > >> DMMUG@dmmug.org >>>> > >> Use this page to modify subscription options: >>>> > >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >>> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > DMMUG mailing list >>> > > Use this Address to send mail to the list: >>> > > DMMUG@dmmug.org >>> > > Use this page to modify subscription options: >>> > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >>> > > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > DMMUG mailing list >> > Use this Address to send mail to the list: >> > DMMUG@dmmug.org >> > Use this page to modify subscription options: >> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/dmmug/attachments/20081214/b5e883c7/attachment.htm From jon at mac-consultant.com Sun Dec 14 16:58:23 2008 From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson) Date: Sun Dec 14 16:58:47 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Entourage issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I use apple mail for all of my email, and I don't miss any features, so you'll have to be more specific in what it lacks. I do augment it with GrowlMail and Mail Act-On, but I don't think Entourage does what either of those utilities do. -- - Jon On Dec 14, 2008, at 4:45 PM, Sharalyn wrote: > I agree that Entourage is a problem because of the single file > issue, but mac mail seems to be so lacking in all the great features. > > > On 12/13/08 10:24 AM, "Geoffrey Stevens" wrote: > >> Jon, >> What you say about entourage ... >> I would recommend against entourage, and toward Apple mail. >> > Entourage stores all of your mail in one giant file, which means >> > that each backup takes the space of that file each time you backup. >> > Plus if you have a corruption of that file, you are potentially out >> > your data. >> >> I use MSN Hotmail - is that a same problem as you say about >> entourage? >> Geoff >> >> > From: wjschoenenberger@qwest.net >> > To: dmmug@dmmug.org >> > Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Entourage issue >> > Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 05:16:55 -0600 >> > >> > I agree. The only reason I use Entourage is the work email server >> is >> > Exchange. Home account is accessed via Mail. >> > >> > William >> > >> > >> > William Schoenenberger >> > Des Moines, IA >> > wjschoenenberger@qwest.net >> > >> > >> > On Dec 12, 2008, at 10:05 PM, Jon Thompson wrote: >> > >> > > There is no need to use a "supported" email program, and they >> appear >> > > to not support mac email clients at all. However, email is >> based on >> > > standards, meaning that you can use whatever client you are >> familiar >> > > with. Qwest even has setup pages for "unsupported" email >> clients... >> > > >> > > http://www.qwest.com/internethelp/email/entourage.html >> > > >> > > >> > > I would recommend against entourage, and toward Apple mail. >> > > Entourage stores all of your mail in one giant file, which means >> > > that each backup takes the space of that file each time you >> backup. >> > > Plus if you have a corruption of that file, you are potentially >> out >> > > your data. >> > > >> > > Apple mail makes each email a separate file, so it is much less >> > > likely to have a catastrophic failure. >> > > >> > > -- >> > > - Jon >> > > On Dec 12, 2008, at 9:08 PM, William Schoenenberger wrote: >> > > >> > >> Doug >> > >> >> > >> I use Entourage and have DSL. >> > >> >> > >> DSL does not care what email program you use. >> > >> >> > >> William >> > >> William Schoenenberger >> > >> Des Moines, IA >> > >> wjschoenenberger@qwest.net >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> On Dec 12, 2008, at 8:08 PM, treeguy@crosspaths.net wrote: >> > >> >> > >>> I just switched to Qwest DSL. I just learned that Qwest does >> not >> > >>> support >> > >>> the above email program. Is there a simple tweak that will >> make them >> > >>> friendly or do I need to purchase Outlook Express 6 for the Mac >> > >>> (10.4.11) >> > >>> >> > >>> Doug Blakely >> > >>> >> > >>> _______________________________________________ >> > >>> DMMUG mailing list >> > >>> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >> > >>> DMMUG@dmmug.org >> > >>> Use this page to modify subscription options: >> > >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> > >>> >> > >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> DMMUG mailing list >> > >> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >> > >> DMMUG@dmmug.org >> > >> Use this page to modify subscription options: >> > >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > DMMUG mailing list >> > > Use this Address to send mail to the list: >> > > DMMUG@dmmug.org >> > > Use this page to modify subscription options: >> > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> > > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > DMMUG mailing list >> > Use this Address to send mail to the list: >> > DMMUG@dmmug.org >> > Use this page to modify subscription options: >> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> DMMUG mailing list >> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >> DMMUG@dmmug.org >> Use this page to modify subscription options: >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/dmmug/attachments/20081214/c41cc9cf/attachment.html From homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net Sun Dec 14 17:15:25 2008 From: homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net (Sharalyn) Date: Sun Dec 14 17:15:54 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Entourage issue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I tend to not remember specifics but I just tried mac mail again recently and (really wanting to be be happy with it because I like all things Mac) found myself disappointed and frustrated frequently because I couldn?t do things I was used to doing, such as creating new folders, automatically routing incoming mail to to folders, stuff like that, plus I find Entourage easier to visually see, and easier to add to the address book, etc. It just seemed really bland. Also, like the calendar in E better than in M, esp. the alerts. On 12/14/08 4:58 PM, "Jon Thompson" wrote: > I use apple mail for all of my email, and I don't miss any features, so you'll > have to be more specific in what it lacks. I do augment it with GrowlMail and > Mail Act-On, but I don't think Entourage does what either of those utilities > do. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/dmmug/attachments/20081214/bec004cd/attachment.htm From rbowler at mchsi.com Sun Dec 14 18:39:22 2008 From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler) Date: Sun Dec 14 18:39:47 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Entourage issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00A6A45B-4713-46E9-96CC-E9452DA01AC4@mchsi.com> On Dec 14, 2008, at Dec 14, 20085:15 PM, Sharalyn wrote: > as creating new folders, Am I missing something? Do you mean new folders for mailboxs? Then Mailbox>New Mailbox should help Automatic routing? Preferences>Rules set your rule and destination. Add to address book? Message>add sender to address book I wouldn't touch the Entourge file structure. It is the same as Outlook Express and I lost everything once when one the index was corrupt. > automatically routing incoming mail to to folders, stuff like that, > plus I find Entourage easier to visually see, and easier to add to > the address book, etc. It just seemed really bland. Also, like the > calendar in E better than in M, esp. the alerts. > > > > On 12/14/08 4:58 PM, "Jon Thompson" wrote: > >> I use apple mail for all of my email, and I don't miss any >> features, so you'll have to be more specific in what it lacks. I >> do augment it with GrowlMail and Mail Act-On, but I don't think >> Entourage does what either of those utilities do. > > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug Ray Bowler rbowler.home.mchsi.com From homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net Sun Dec 14 19:27:48 2008 From: homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net (Sharalyn) Date: Sun Dec 14 19:28:14 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Entourage issue In-Reply-To: <00A6A45B-4713-46E9-96CC-E9452DA01AC4@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Hey, I'm not the brightest user on the block so all that may be possible and I just wasn't able to figure it out. :-) On 12/14/08 6:39 PM, "Ray Bowler" wrote: > > On Dec 14, 2008, at Dec 14, 20085:15 PM, Sharalyn wrote: > >> as creating new folders, > > Am I missing something? > > Do you mean new folders for mailboxs? Then Mailbox>New Mailbox should > help > Automatic routing? Preferences>Rules set your rule and destination. > Add to address book? Message>add sender to address book > > I wouldn't touch the Entourge file structure. It is the same as > Outlook Express and I lost everything once when one the index was > corrupt. > >> automatically routing incoming mail to to folders, stuff like that, >> plus I find Entourage easier to visually see, and easier to add to >> the address book, etc. It just seemed really bland. Also, like the >> calendar in E better than in M, esp. the alerts. >> >> >> >> On 12/14/08 4:58 PM, "Jon Thompson" wrote: >> >>> I use apple mail for all of my email, and I don't miss any >>> features, so you'll have to be more specific in what it lacks. I >>> do augment it with GrowlMail and Mail Act-On, but I don't think >>> Entourage does what either of those utilities do. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> DMMUG mailing list >> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >> DMMUG@dmmug.org >> Use this page to modify subscription options: >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > Ray Bowler > > rbowler.home.mchsi.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From studias at msn.com Mon Dec 15 16:17:17 2008 From: studias at msn.com (Geoffrey Stevens) Date: Mon Dec 15 16:17:44 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] back-up files... Message-ID: Anyone have any ideas on which files to back-up to save on DVDs? So if my OS X 10.5 computer crashes while I am installing Leopard? Should I do a clean install? Back-up files/folders such as the Users, system folder, applications, Library and preferences and so on. I do not have an external HD, so I don't have a lot of storage. Geoff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/dmmug/attachments/20081215/6582f109/attachment.html From cwsmith7 at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 16:39:44 2008 From: cwsmith7 at gmail.com (CW Smith) Date: Mon Dec 15 16:40:15 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] back-up files... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9A1F5C63-E726-4F0F-8F39-8306FA080A25@gmail.com> > So if my OS X 10.5 computer crashes while I am installing Leopard? Please clarify: 10.5 *is* Leopard. Are you updating from 10.4? 10.3? > Back-up files/folders such as the Users, system folder, > applications, Library and preferences and so on. Backing up the user folder(s) will get your desktop, mail (from Mail.app, Thunderbird or Entourage), iPhoto & iTunes libraries, and so on. You'll also want to back up anything you created on the root of the drive. Some, but not all, applications can be backed up too; Adobe, Microsoft and Quark titles tend not to be quite so friendly. > I do not have an external HD, so I don't have a lot of storage. Honestly, if you're installing Leopard anyway (and will be gaining Time Machine in the process), this would be an excellent time to purchase an external HD anyway. You can use it and SuperDuper (free trial at ShirtPocket.com) to make an excact clone of your HD before you install Leopard. Then your safety is virtually guaranteed. > Should I do a clean install? This is usually the best approach, *if* you have a reliable backup (including all apps, library files, user accounts and so on). But that reliable backup virtually requires an external HD. It keeps coming back to: you really should consider an external HD. Peace, CW ------------------------------------------------ CW Smith guitar, bass, percussion, Macintosh cwsmith7@gmail.com ------------------------------------------------ On Dec 15, 2008, at 4:17 PM, Geoffrey Stevens wrote: > Anyone have any ideas on which files to back-up to save on DVDs? So > if my OS X 10.5 computer crashes while I am installing Leopard? > Should I do a clean install? > Back-up files/folders such as the Users, system folder, > applications, Library and preferences and so on. I do not have an > external HD, so I don't have a lot of storage. > Geoff > > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/dmmug/attachments/20081215/493023c2/attachment.htm From maccelerate at earthlink.net Tue Dec 16 00:51:26 2008 From: maccelerate at earthlink.net (Matthew W.) Date: Tue Dec 16 00:51:52 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Entourage issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C664BF6-F464-4270-9EAC-A4554EB7D32E@earthlink.net> You're right. Entourage doesn't do what Mail does... Run well! It is definitely a personal preference issue, but I cannot stand Entourage's calendar. I've used 2004 and 2008, and both are equally useless (to me). It forces you to have a local calendar, even if you don't use it. If it didn't have built-in Exchange calendar support and used widely at work, I'd have hacked Mail and iCal to interface with Exchange. As it is, it barely works with Exchange calendaring, but that's enough. I don't have time to be the only Mail.app adopter at work, but I use it everywhere else. Mw On Dec 14, 2008, at 5:15 PM, Sharalyn wrote: > I tend to not remember specifics but I just tried mac mail again > recently and (really wanting to be be happy with it because I like > all things Mac) found myself disappointed and frustrated frequently > because I couldn?t do things I was used to doing, such as creating > new folders, automatically routing incoming mail to to folders, > stuff like that, plus I find Entourage easier to visually see, and > easier to add to the address book, etc. It just seemed really bland. > Also, like the calendar in E better than in M, esp. the alerts. > > > > On 12/14/08 4:58 PM, "Jon Thompson" wrote: > >> I use apple mail for all of my email, and I don't miss any >> features, so you'll have to be more specific in what it lacks. I >> do augment it with GrowlMail and Mail Act-On, but I don't think >> Entourage does what either of those utilities do. > > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/dmmug/attachments/20081216/d2fd3519/attachment-0001.html From jlagnese at mac.com Tue Dec 16 06:34:22 2008 From: jlagnese at mac.com (James Lagnese) Date: Tue Dec 16 06:34:52 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Entourage issue In-Reply-To: <4C664BF6-F464-4270-9EAC-A4554EB7D32E@earthlink.net> Message-ID: We use Kerio Mail Server where I work, which emulates Exchange. Entourage seems to work better than Mail or iCal when using Exchange Accounts and it?s all in one application. I do get syncing issues with Entourage and Mobile Me though, but I find Mobile Me problematic in general. //On 12/16/08 12:51 AM, "Matt Wheeler" wrote: > You're right. Entourage doesn't do what Mail does... Run well! > > It is definitely a personal preference issue, but I cannot stand Entourage's > calendar. I've used 2004 and 2008, and both are equally useless (to me). It > forces you to have a local calendar, even if you don't use it. If it didn't > have built-in Exchange calendar support and used widely at work, I'd have > hacked Mail and iCal to interface with Exchange. As it is, it barely works > with Exchange calendaring, but that's enough. I don't have time to be the only > Mail.app adopter at work, but I use it everywhere else. > > Mw > > On Dec 14, 2008, at 5:15 PM, Sharalyn wrote: > >> I tend to not remember specifics but I just tried mac mail again recently >> and (really wanting to be be happy with it because I like all things Mac) >> found myself disappointed and frustrated frequently because I couldn?t do >> things I was used to doing, such as creating new folders, automatically >> routing incoming mail to to folders, stuff like that, plus I find Entourage >> easier to visually see, and easier to add to the address book, etc. It just >> seemed really bland. Also, like the calendar in E better than in M, esp. the >> alerts. >> >> >> >> On 12/14/08 4:58 PM, "Jon Thompson" wrote: >> >> >>> I use apple mail for all of my email, and I don't miss any features, so >>> you'll have to be more specific in what it lacks. I do augment it with >>> GrowlMail and Mail Act-On, but I don't think Entourage does what either of >>> those utilities do. >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> DMMUG mailing list >> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >> DMMUG@dmmug.org >> Use this page to modify subscription options: >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > > > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/dmmug/attachments/20081216/2c7e87a8/attachment.htm From bcarlso at gmail.com Tue Dec 16 06:58:48 2008 From: bcarlso at gmail.com (Brandon Carlson) Date: Tue Dec 16 06:59:12 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Entourage issue In-Reply-To: References: <4C664BF6-F464-4270-9EAC-A4554EB7D32E@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <19cb0cc70812160458x1c86e436na44e75ddeaa936a7@mail.gmail.com> Maybe the real problem is that we spend too much time in an e-mail client. :-) On 12/16/08, James Lagnese wrote: > We use Kerio Mail Server where I work, which emulates Exchange. Entourage > seems to work better than Mail or iCal when using Exchange Accounts and it?s > all in one application. I do get syncing issues with Entourage and Mobile Me > though, but I find Mobile Me problematic in general. > > > //On 12/16/08 12:51 AM, "Matt Wheeler" wrote: > >> You're right. Entourage doesn't do what Mail does... Run well! >> >> It is definitely a personal preference issue, but I cannot stand >> Entourage's >> calendar. I've used 2004 and 2008, and both are equally useless (to me). >> It >> forces you to have a local calendar, even if you don't use it. If it >> didn't >> have built-in Exchange calendar support and used widely at work, I'd have >> hacked Mail and iCal to interface with Exchange. As it is, it barely works >> with Exchange calendaring, but that's enough. I don't have time to be the >> only >> Mail.app adopter at work, but I use it everywhere else. >> >> Mw >> >> On Dec 14, 2008, at 5:15 PM, Sharalyn wrote: >> >>> I tend to not remember specifics but I just tried mac mail again >>> recently >>> and (really wanting to be be happy with it because I like all things Mac) >>> found myself disappointed and frustrated frequently because I couldn?t do >>> things I was used to doing, such as creating new folders, automatically >>> routing incoming mail to to folders, stuff like that, plus I find >>> Entourage >>> easier to visually see, and easier to add to the address book, etc. It >>> just >>> seemed really bland. Also, like the calendar in E better than in M, esp. >>> the >>> alerts. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 12/14/08 4:58 PM, "Jon Thompson" wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I use apple mail for all of my email, and I don't miss any features, so >>>> you'll have to be more specific in what it lacks. I do augment it with >>>> GrowlMail and Mail Act-On, but I don't think Entourage does what either >>>> of >>>> those utilities do. >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> DMMUG mailing list >>> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >>> DMMUG@dmmug.org >>> Use this page to modify subscription options: >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> DMMUG mailing list >> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >> DMMUG@dmmug.org >> Use this page to modify subscription options: >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > From maccelerate at earthlink.net Tue Dec 16 15:53:24 2008 From: maccelerate at earthlink.net (Matthew W.) Date: Tue Dec 16 15:53:55 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Entourage issue In-Reply-To: <19cb0cc70812160458x1c86e436na44e75ddeaa936a7@mail.gmail.com> References: <4C664BF6-F464-4270-9EAC-A4554EB7D32E@earthlink.net> <19cb0cc70812160458x1c86e436na44e75ddeaa936a7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Or in front of our computers in general! Mw On Dec 16, 2008, at 6:58 AM, Brandon Carlson wrote: > Maybe the real problem is that we spend too much time in an e-mail > client. :-) > > On 12/16/08, James Lagnese wrote: >> We use Kerio Mail Server where I work, which emulates Exchange. >> Entourage >> seems to work better than Mail or iCal when using Exchange Accounts >> and it?s >> all in one application. I do get syncing issues with Entourage and >> Mobile Me >> though, but I find Mobile Me problematic in general. >> >> >> //On 12/16/08 12:51 AM, "Matt Wheeler" >> wrote: >> >>> You're right. Entourage doesn't do what Mail does... Run well! >>> >>> It is definitely a personal preference issue, but I cannot stand >>> Entourage's >>> calendar. I've used 2004 and 2008, and both are equally useless >>> (to me). >>> It >>> forces you to have a local calendar, even if you don't use it. If it >>> didn't >>> have built-in Exchange calendar support and used widely at work, >>> I'd have >>> hacked Mail and iCal to interface with Exchange. As it is, it >>> barely works >>> with Exchange calendaring, but that's enough. I don't have time to >>> be the >>> only >>> Mail.app adopter at work, but I use it everywhere else. >>> >>> Mw >>> >>> On Dec 14, 2008, at 5:15 PM, Sharalyn wrote: >>> >>>> I tend to not remember specifics but I just tried mac mail again >>>> recently >>>> and (really wanting to be be happy with it because I like all >>>> things Mac) >>>> found myself disappointed and frustrated frequently because I >>>> couldn?t do >>>> things I was used to doing, such as creating new folders, >>>> automatically >>>> routing incoming mail to to folders, stuff like that, plus I find >>>> Entourage >>>> easier to visually see, and easier to add to the address book, >>>> etc. It >>>> just >>>> seemed really bland. Also, like the calendar in E better than in >>>> M, esp. >>>> the >>>> alerts. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12/14/08 4:58 PM, "Jon Thompson" wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> I use apple mail for all of my email, and I don't miss any >>>>> features, so >>>>> you'll have to be more specific in what it lacks. I do augment >>>>> it with >>>>> GrowlMail and Mail Act-On, but I don't think Entourage does what >>>>> either >>>>> of >>>>> those utilities do. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> DMMUG mailing list >>>> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >>>> DMMUG@dmmug.org >>>> Use this page to modify subscription options: >>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> DMMUG mailing list >>> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >>> DMMUG@dmmug.org >>> Use this page to modify subscription options: >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> >> > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From jonsharyl at prairieinet.net Tue Dec 16 16:34:19 2008 From: jonsharyl at prairieinet.net (Jon Engelhardt) Date: Tue Dec 16 16:34:43 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Entourage issue In-Reply-To: References: <4C664BF6-F464-4270-9EAC-A4554EB7D32E@earthlink.net> <19cb0cc70812160458x1c86e436na44e75ddeaa936a7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3F4D8EBF-A5CA-4C40-9CBC-8C816697737A@prairieinet.net> BINGO, we have a winner. Thank you Matt. On Dec 16, 2008, at 3:53 PM, Matthew W. wrote: > Or in front of our computers in general! > > Mw > > On Dec 16, 2008, at 6:58 AM, Brandon Carlson wrote: > >> Maybe the real problem is that we spend too much time in an e-mail >> client. :-) >> >> On 12/16/08, James Lagnese wrote: >>> We use Kerio Mail Server where I work, which emulates Exchange. >>> Entourage >>> seems to work better than Mail or iCal when using Exchange >>> Accounts and it?s >>> all in one application. I do get syncing issues with Entourage >>> and Mobile Me >>> though, but I find Mobile Me problematic in general. >>> >>> >>> //On 12/16/08 12:51 AM, "Matt Wheeler" >>> wrote: >>> >>>> You're right. Entourage doesn't do what Mail does... Run well! >>>> >>>> It is definitely a personal preference issue, but I cannot stand >>>> Entourage's >>>> calendar. I've used 2004 and 2008, and both are equally useless >>>> (to me). >>>> It >>>> forces you to have a local calendar, even if you don't use it. >>>> If it >>>> didn't >>>> have built-in Exchange calendar support and used widely at work, >>>> I'd have >>>> hacked Mail and iCal to interface with Exchange. As it is, it >>>> barely works >>>> with Exchange calendaring, but that's enough. I don't have time >>>> to be the >>>> only >>>> Mail.app adopter at work, but I use it everywhere else. >>>> >>>> Mw >>>> >>>> On Dec 14, 2008, at 5:15 PM, Sharalyn wrote: >>>> >>>>> I tend to not remember specifics but I just tried mac mail again >>>>> recently >>>>> and (really wanting to be be happy with it because I like all >>>>> things Mac) >>>>> found myself disappointed and frustrated frequently because I >>>>> couldn?t do >>>>> things I was used to doing, such as creating new folders, >>>>> automatically >>>>> routing incoming mail to to folders, stuff like that, plus I find >>>>> Entourage >>>>> easier to visually see, and easier to add to the address book, >>>>> etc. It >>>>> just >>>>> seemed really bland. Also, like the calendar in E better than >>>>> in M, esp. >>>>> the >>>>> alerts. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 12/14/08 4:58 PM, "Jon Thompson" >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I use apple mail for all of my email, and I don't miss any >>>>>> features, so >>>>>> you'll have to be more specific in what it lacks. I do >>>>>> augment it with >>>>>> GrowlMail and Mail Act-On, but I don't think Entourage does >>>>>> what either >>>>>> of >>>>>> those utilities do. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> DMMUG mailing list >>>>> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >>>>> DMMUG@dmmug.org >>>>> Use this page to modify subscription options: >>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> DMMUG mailing list >>>> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >>>> DMMUG@dmmug.org >>>> Use this page to modify subscription options: >>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> DMMUG mailing list >> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >> DMMUG@dmmug.org >> Use this page to modify subscription options: >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From victoria at journeyzing.com Wed Dec 17 14:17:36 2008 From: victoria at journeyzing.com (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Wed Dec 17 14:27:32 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Augb Digest, Vol 5, Issue 12 - note discounts below Message-ID: > > 1. 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Have >you made Apple Product Professional yet? > >Apple Sales Training Online >https://salestraining.apple.com/ >_____________________________________________________________________ > >2] - Resources for User Group Presentations and Newsletters Blog >....................... > >Has your group ever needed a ready-made presentation for meetings or a >reliable review to fill out your newsletter content? Check out the >Resources for User Group Presentations and Newsletters blog. You'll find >links to presentations and in-depth reviews, all offered by user groups >for other user groups to use. Got a review or preso you'd like to share? >You can do that here too. > >http://ugab.typepad.com/ugresources/ > >(Thanks to blogmaster George Kopp and members of the UGAB and UGRL >teams.) >_____________________________________________________________________ > >Apple User Group Bulletin - December 16, 2008 >_____________________________________________________________________ > >COMMUNITY NEWS - MEMBERS >_____________________________________________________________________ > >1] - Macworld 2009: Apple User Group Reception >....................... > >Ready for some fun? Joining user group members at the Apple User Group >Reception on January 5 are luminaries like Chris Breen, Adam and Tonya >Engst, Dennis Sellers, Jason Snell, Jim Dalrymple, Bob LeVitus and more. >Add in raffle prizes and the Apple User Group reception will be a great >place to start the week of Macworld Expo. Each registrant must be a user >group member to use the discount code and URL. > >Register today! >Password UG09 > >Check it out. >http://tinyurl.com/66xvd6 > >Keep track of user group happenings. >http://homepage.mac.com/ugab/mw09.html > >Online registration ends on December 24, 2008. >_____________________________________________________________________ > >2] - Macworld 2009: The Eighth Annual MWSF FCPUG SuperMeet >...................... > >One of the most important Macworld events for video professionals is the >Final Cut Pro User Group SuperMeet. On January 7, the eighth annual >SuperMeet will be held at the Robertson Auditorium. Great speakers, show >and tell, and a wonderful raffle are on offer, as well as a chance to >network with others in the field. > >Learn more. >http://sfsupermeet09.eventbrite.com/ > >The Final Cut Pro User Group Network >http://fcpugnetwork.org/ > >SF Cutters >http://www.sfcutters.org/ > >Boston Final Cut Pro User Group >http://www.bosfcpug.org/ > >Chicago Final Cut Pro Users Group >http://www.chifcpug.org/ >_____________________________________________________________________ > >3] - Macworld 2009: Find all Events in One Place >...................... > >Wondering what to do at Macworld? The venerable Hess Macworld Events >List is once again being compiled by long-time user group member Ilene >Hoffman. Please submit events as soon as they're confirmed. Advertisers >are also being sought. The list offers a nice discount for shareware >author sponsors too. > >You'll be in the know. >http://www.ilenesmachine.com/partylist.shtml >_____________________________________________________________________ > >4] - Macworld 2009: New Virtual Brochure >....................... > >Planning to be in San Francisco for Macworld 2009? IDG has put together >a virtual brochure with information about exhibitors, conference tracks >and more. > >Have a look at the new Macworld virtual brochure. >http://tinyurl.com/5vkyag >_____________________________________________________________________ > >5] - Silicon Mountain: SMMUG's Unusual Idea for a Meeting >....................... > >A pressing topic in computer circles is how to recognize and avoid >identity theft. The Silicon Mountain Macintosh User Group (SMMUG) has >invited representatives from the Colorado Springs Police Department to >their January 8 meeting for a presentation on identity theft prevention. >Why not contact your local police department and see if they can offer a >similar presentation for your group? > >See what SMMUG has planned. >http://www.smmug.org/ >_____________________________________________________________________ > >6] - Fun Facts: The Macintosh Guild and AUSOM >...................... > >Starting in 1997 with just a handful of Mac loving Lockheed engineers, >the Mac Guild hit the 500 member mark recently and is now at 543 active >members strong. Congratulations to long-time Editor-in-Chief Bill >Catambay and members. > >See what the Guild has on tap. >http://macguild.org/ > >*** > >On December 6 the Apple User's Society of Melbourne (AUSOM - pronounced >awesome) held their annual big-item raffle and Chris McQuillen was the >winner of a 2.4 Ghz MacBook Pro. He runs the group's Digital Video SIG, >so the prize will be put to good use. > >Now that's awesome. >http://www.ausom.net.au/ >_____________________________________________________________________ > >7] - Milestones >.................... > >This month's column includes a group who first met in 1980. Happy >anniversary to a worldwide list of some of our oldest groups. Want to >see your group listed? 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Please include a link to >http://homepage.mac.com/ugab/ if you use any of this information for >publicity or promotional purposes. -- Victoria L. Herring, Discrimination/Civil Rights Attorney, http://www.herringlaw.com; Travel Research/Photography site, http://www.JourneyZing.com; Online Gallery- http://gallery.journeyzing.com. Des Moines, Iowa; 515-255-4475 From rbowler at mchsi.com Wed Dec 17 23:44:16 2008 From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler) Date: Wed Dec 17 23:44:38 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] meeting subjects Message-ID: Do any of you have suggestions for topics in the coming year? We have none scheduled so we need some new ones. If you could volunteer to lead one it would be helpful. Ray Bowler rbowler.home.mchsi.com From rbowler at mchsi.com Sat Dec 27 10:30:00 2008 From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler) Date: Sat Dec 27 10:30:25 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Sale on mono chrome laser printer Message-ID: <7E7586CC-02C3-44D2-A855-1EA47FB16203@mchsi.com> Hi, I just ran across a deal on a Samsung ML-2510 mono laser pringer at Office Max. Thru today it is$49.45 then it goes up to $59.95. If it isn't available in the store it is online and the shipping charge for me is $7.50. I haven't checked but imagine other stores have them also. Ray Bowler rbowler.home.mchsi.com From djweis at internetsolver.com Sat Dec 27 14:09:21 2008 From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis) Date: Sat Dec 27 14:09:51 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Getting video onto a Nano Message-ID: <49568B71.20500@internetsolver.com> I was given an 8 gig Nano for Xmas and was trying to get some videos onto it. I've followed the steps on apple's site and can't even get the sample itunes movie to sync onto the device. It always says there's zero videos on there. Music is working fine however... Any ideas? I've done the usual litany of windows trouble shooting, I have uninstalled iTunes, QT, all of my random codecs, and rebooted many times. dave -- Dave Weis Internet Solver Your Technology Partner 515-224-9229 www.internetsolver.com From Chris at kagallery.net Sat Dec 27 14:41:11 2008 From: Chris at kagallery.net (Chris Kavanaugh) Date: Sat Dec 27 14:40:54 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Getting video onto a Nano In-Reply-To: <49568B71.20500@internetsolver.com> References: <49568B71.20500@internetsolver.com> Message-ID: Hello There are two parts to getting videos into ipods. Make sure that itunes recognizes the videos and with the ipod connected to the computer and itunes select the ipod, it should have a summary screen with several tabs, select the movies tab select the individual movie. This was the problem we had with my daughter's ipod, we hadnt selected to import movies. Regards Chris Call us at (515) 279-8682 or Visit us online at www.Kavanaughgallery.com (Click for map) Kavanaugh Art Gallery One-thirty-one Fifth St. West Des Moines, IA 50265 Ask us about our 12 month interest free layaway. Artwork and prices subject to availability. ? All art on this site or email is Copyrighted by the artist or their Representative ? This e-mail message is confidential, intended only for the recipient (s) above. If you have received this message in error, or are not the named recipient(s), please immediately notify the sender at (515) 279-8682 and delete this e-mail message from your computer. Thank you. On Dec 27, 2008, at 2:09 PM, Dave Weis wrote: > > I was given an 8 gig Nano for Xmas and was trying to get some > videos onto it. I've followed the steps on apple's site and can't > even get the sample itunes movie to sync onto the device. It always > says there's zero videos on there. Music is working fine however... > Any ideas? > > I've done the usual litany of windows trouble shooting, I have > uninstalled iTunes, QT, all of my random codecs, and rebooted many > times. > > dave > > -- > Dave Weis > Internet Solver > Your Technology Partner > 515-224-9229 > www.internetsolver.com > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From djweis at internetsolver.com Sat Dec 27 20:11:53 2008 From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis) Date: Sat Dec 27 20:12:23 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Getting video onto a Nano In-Reply-To: References: <49568B71.20500@internetsolver.com> Message-ID: <4956E069.4080604@internetsolver.com> Chris Kavanaugh wrote: > Hello > There are two parts to getting videos into ipods. Make sure that itunes > recognizes the videos and with the ipod connected to the computer and > itunes select the ipod, it should have a summary screen with several > tabs, select the movies tab select the individual movie. This was the > problem we had with my daughter's ipod, we hadnt selected to import > movies. Regards Chris Embarassingly enough, not checking the sync movies box was it. Those tabs aren't very obvious up there :-) dave -- Dave Weis Internet Solver Your Technology Partner 515-224-9229 www.internetsolver.com From marruss at crosspaths.net Mon Dec 29 15:06:58 2008 From: marruss at crosspaths.net (Russ & Marilyn Carlson) Date: Mon Dec 29 15:08:17 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Problem with System Preferences (10.4.11) Message-ID: <981E9659-9118-47B1-9D3B-91337345F0C8@crosspaths.net> I am using 10.4.11. I am still using dial up and went to change to some new telephone numbers. I went to system preferences network and a sign pops up that says "Your settings have been changed by another application". When I click on the OK button it goes away momentarily but comes right back. I can't do anything else in the network and I have to force quit in order to close system preferences. Does anyone have suggestions? Russ From robolaw at aol.com Mon Dec 29 15:12:12 2008 From: robolaw at aol.com (Michael R. Hoffmann) Date: Mon Dec 29 15:12:40 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Problem with System Preferences (10.4.11) In-Reply-To: <981E9659-9118-47B1-9D3B-91337345F0C8@crosspaths.net> References: <981E9659-9118-47B1-9D3B-91337345F0C8@crosspaths.net> Message-ID: <1E808D47-0844-4A52-AF79-C0E82465CE7A@aol.com> Sorry, no suggestions, but the same problem for the last week or two. I thought it was my server or router? Mike On Dec 29, 2008, at 3:06 PM, Russ & Marilyn Carlson wrote: > I am using 10.4.11. I am still using dial up and went to change to > some new telephone numbers. I went to system preferences network > and a sign pops up that says "Your settings have been changed by > another application". When I click on the OK button it goes away > momentarily but comes right back. I can't do anything else in the > network and I have to force quit in order to close system > preferences. Does anyone have suggestions? > > Russ > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From thorgrim at imaginarytower.org Mon Dec 29 15:37:14 2008 From: thorgrim at imaginarytower.org (David McLaughlin) Date: Mon Dec 29 15:37:42 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Problem with System Preferences (10.4.11) In-Reply-To: <981E9659-9118-47B1-9D3B-91337345F0C8@crosspaths.net> References: <981E9659-9118-47B1-9D3B-91337345F0C8@crosspaths.net> Message-ID: > I am still using dial up and went to change to some new telephone > numbers. The following links might be of some help: http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20081006194150436 http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20080929133440824 You are not the only one with this problem and it is not limited to dial up. Applying an Apple Security Update "2008-006" or later can cause the problem under 10.4 Good Luck. David D. McLaughlin webmaster@dmmug.org From ragner at mchsi.com Mon Dec 29 15:40:42 2008 From: ragner at mchsi.com (ragner@mchsi.com) Date: Mon Dec 29 15:41:19 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Problem with System Preferences (10.4.11) In-Reply-To: <981E9659-9118-47B1-9D3B-91337345F0C8@crosspaths.net> Message-ID: <122920082140.13343.495943D8000E1C160000341F223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF9D0A02090E9D@mchsi.com> ?This is an ugly one caused by the 2008-006 security update. You have to lock changes to make it stop. When the sheet comes down, move the cursor over the padlock, then with one hand on the keyboard and the other on the mouse: press the return key to dismiss the sheet, then immediately click the padlock icon. You may have to repeat the procedure several times to get the sheet from appearing. Once you have done this, you will not see the sheet until you turn off the padlock. This is a pain, but not much more can be done and I doubt that Apple will be updating Tiger, now that Leopard has been out for so long and Snow Leopard will be released in the first quarter of 2009. Rod Ragner -------------- Original message from Russ & Marilyn Carlson : -------------- > I am using 10.4.11. I am still using dial up and went to change to > some new telephone numbers. I went to system preferences network and > a sign pops up that says "Your settings have been changed by another > application". When I click on the OK button it goes away momentarily > but comes right back. I can't do anything else in the network and I > have to force quit in order to close system preferences. Does anyone > have suggestions? > > Russ > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug -------------- next part -------------- Skipped content of type multipart/related From marruss at crosspaths.net Mon Dec 29 16:00:51 2008 From: marruss at crosspaths.net (Russ Carlson) Date: Mon Dec 29 16:01:15 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Problem with System Preferences (10.4.11) In-Reply-To: <122920082140.13343.495943D8000E1C160000341F223245003003010CD2079C080C 03BF9D0A02090E9D@mchsi.com> References: <981E9659-9118-47B1-9D3B-91337345F0C8@crosspaths.net> <122920082140.13343.495943D8000E1C160000341F223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF9D0A02090E9D@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <49480.63.26.112.230.1230588051.squirrel@webmail.crosspaths.net> Thanks Rod. That worked! Also thank you David for your links. Russ > > ??This is an ugly one caused by the 2008-006 security update. > > > You have to lock changes to make it stop. When the sheet comes down, move > the cursor over the padlock, then with one hand on the keyboard and the other on the mouse: press the return key to dismiss the sheet, then immediately click the padlock icon. You may have to repeat the procedure several times to get the sheet from appearing. > > > Once you have done this, you will not see the sheet until you turn off the > padlock. > > > This is a pain, but not much more can be done and I doubt that Apple will > be updating Tiger, now that Leopard has been out for so long and Snow Leopard will be released in the first quarter of 2009. > > > Rod Ragner -------------- Original message from Russ & Marilyn Carlson : -------------- > > >> I am using 10.4.11. I am still using dial up and went to change to some new telephone numbers. I went to system preferences network and a sign pops up that says "Your settings have been changed by another application". When I click on the OK button it goes away momentarily but comes right back. I can't do anything else in the network and I have to force quit in order to close system preferences. Does anyone have suggestions? >> Russ >> _______________________________________________ >> DMMUG mailing list >> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >> DMMUG@dmmug.org >> Use this page to modify subscription options: >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug_______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From djweis at internetsolver.com Mon Dec 29 16:13:47 2008 From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis) Date: Mon Dec 29 16:14:09 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] xraid drives Message-ID: Can I still buy new drives from Apple for an Xraid? I've got one I would like to put a bit more capacity in. I didn't see any on the apple store site. -- Dave Weis djweis@internetsolver.com http://www.internetsolver.com/ From jon at mac-consultant.com Mon Dec 29 16:23:09 2008 From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson) Date: Mon Dec 29 16:23:33 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] xraid drives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4996DEA4-CB5F-42DD-A7D2-8240D69B863D@mac-consultant.com> I don't think you can, but the drives within the sleds are standard. Not sure if you can get additional sleds anywhere other than ebay... http://cgi.ebay.com/Apple-G4-Xserve-Raid-Hard-Drive-Blank-Sled-Slot-Cover_W0QQitemZ350009729682QQcmdZViewItem Buy me a new Promise RAID and you can have my 10.5 TB XServe RAID :P On Dec 29, 2008, at 4:13 PM, Dave Weis wrote: > > Can I still buy new drives from Apple for an Xraid? I've got one I > would like to put a bit more capacity in. I didn't see any on the > apple store site. > > -- > Dave Weis > djweis@internetsolver.com > http://www.internetsolver.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From aaron.jensen at mac.com Mon Dec 29 16:23:12 2008 From: aaron.jensen at mac.com (Aaron Jensen) Date: Mon Dec 29 16:23:39 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] xraid drives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0EB2D57F-0F23-4270-920E-CD26A4A77D85@mac.com> In the Apple Store you can come up with some results searching for "drive module." I have found that calling them directly provided some additional results but that the size options were pretty limited. If you have the serial number handy when you call in it will make finding the replacement parts much easier. Just came across this compatibility chart for the Apple Drive Modules: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1219 Aaron On Dec 29, 2008, at 4:13 PM, Dave Weis wrote: > > Can I still buy new drives from Apple for an Xraid? I've got one I > would like to put a bit more capacity in. I didn't see any on the > apple store site. > > -- > Dave Weis > djweis@internetsolver.com > http://www.internetsolver.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From rbowler at mchsi.com Mon Dec 29 16:51:54 2008 From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler) Date: Mon Dec 29 16:52:17 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Problem with System Preferences (10.4.11) In-Reply-To: <49480.63.26.112.230.1230588051.squirrel@webmail.crosspaths.net> References: <981E9659-9118-47B1-9D3B-91337345F0C8@crosspaths.net> <122920082140.13343.495943D8000E1C160000341F223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF9D0A02090E9D@mchsi.com> <49480.63.26.112.230.1230588051.squirrel@webmail.crosspaths.net> Message-ID: <75AC2312-08A4-4480-B2F0-78054A5361C8@mchsi.com> Another solution is the following which I have seen several times: In the Library/Preferences/SystemConfiguration/ folder delete the following: com.apple.airport.preferences.plist NetworkInterfaces.plist preferences.plist com.apple.nat.plist You will have to re-configure all your network settings since deleting" On Dec 29, 2008, at Dec 29, 20084:00 PM, Russ Carlson wrote: > Thanks Rod. That worked! Also thank you David for your links. > > Russ > > >> >> ? This is an ugly one caused by the 2008-006 security update. >> >> >> You have to lock changes to make it stop. When the sheet comes down, > move >> the cursor over the padlock, then with one hand on the keyboard and >> the > other on the mouse: press the return key to dismiss the sheet, then > immediately click the padlock icon. You may have to repeat the > procedure > several times to get the sheet from appearing. >> >> >> Once you have done this, you will not see the sheet until you turn >> off > the >> padlock. >> >> >> This is a pain, but not much more can be done and I doubt that Apple > will >> be updating Tiger, now that Leopard has been out for so long and Snow > Leopard will be released in the first quarter of 2009. >> >> >> Rod Ragner -------------- Original message from Russ & Marilyn >> Carlson > : -------------- >> >> >>> I am using 10.4.11. I am still using dial up and went to change to > some new telephone numbers. I went to system preferences network > and a > sign pops up that says "Your settings have been changed by another > application". When I click on the OK button it goes away > momentarily but > comes right back. I can't do anything else in the network and I > have to > force quit in order to close system preferences. Does anyone have > suggestions? >>> Russ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> DMMUG mailing list >>> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >>> DMMUG@dmmug.org >>> Use this page to modify subscription options: >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug_______________________________________________ >> DMMUG mailing list >> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >> DMMUG@dmmug.org >> Use this page to modify subscription options: >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug Ray Bowler rbowler.home.mchsi.com From kristau at gmail.com Mon Dec 29 18:05:55 2008 From: kristau at gmail.com (kristau) Date: Mon Dec 29 18:06:21 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] xraid drives In-Reply-To: <0EB2D57F-0F23-4270-920E-CD26A4A77D85@mac.com> References: <0EB2D57F-0F23-4270-920E-CD26A4A77D85@mac.com> Message-ID: <3effba680812291605k6463afd8l7ada3b9cc8ee8711@mail.gmail.com> I sourced drives for an XRAID awhile back. Unfortunately, I don't have access to the info I gathered while looking for them, but I have some hints and tips. * Unless the market has changed in the last 6 months, you can't find NIB sleds with drives. If you need additional sleds/drives you'll have to surf the used/eBay market. Good luck there. * Older XRAID systems used parallel or PATA drives, but some of the newer ones used SATA drives. Make sure you know which you need. * Best way to find out what you need for drives is to pull one of the existing drives and get the specs off of it. * I had trouble several months ago finding 147 GB PATA drives. If yours are the same, then they are probably much more difficult to find now. The next best thing will be a 250 GB drive. Just realize that adding these to an array will only result in 147 GB "used" for the array and the rest left "idle" Feel free to drop me a direct e-mail at kristau@gmail.com if you need further guidance on this. -- Tired programmer Coding late into the night The core dump follows From djweis at internetsolver.com Tue Dec 30 06:42:55 2008 From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis) Date: Tue Dec 30 06:43:20 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] xraid drives In-Reply-To: <3effba680812291605k6463afd8l7ada3b9cc8ee8711@mail.gmail.com> References: <0EB2D57F-0F23-4270-920E-CD26A4A77D85@mac.com> <3effba680812291605k6463afd8l7ada3b9cc8ee8711@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <495A174F.5050500@internetsolver.com> Thank you all for the pointers. I've got to double check, I think these are PATA drives. We've got one approx 1TB array built on the left side, I would like to put 3-4 drives on the right side and build another array so the sizes not matching existing is no problem. Does the device not check for magic drive names or vendor strings on the drive or will it let me grab any 4 identical drives and put them in sleds? Thanks dave kristau wrote: > I sourced drives for an XRAID awhile back. Unfortunately, I don't > have access to the info I gathered while looking for them, but I have > some hints and tips. > * Unless the market has changed in the last 6 months, you can't find > NIB sleds with drives. If you need additional sleds/drives you'll > have to surf the used/eBay market. Good luck there. > * Older XRAID systems used parallel or PATA drives, but some of the > newer ones used SATA drives. Make sure you know which you need. > * Best way to find out what you need for drives is to pull one of the > existing drives and get the specs off of it. > * I had trouble several months ago finding 147 GB PATA drives. If > yours are the same, then they are probably much more difficult to find > now. The next best thing will be a 250 GB drive. Just realize that > adding these to an array will only result in 147 GB "used" for the > array and the rest left "idle" > > Feel free to drop me a direct e-mail at kristau@gmail.com if you need > further guidance on this. -- Dave Weis Internet Solver Your Technology Partner 515-224-9229 www.internetsolver.com From jon at mac-consultant.com Tue Dec 30 06:49:54 2008 From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson) Date: Tue Dec 30 06:50:17 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] xraid drives In-Reply-To: <495A174F.5050500@internetsolver.com> References: <0EB2D57F-0F23-4270-920E-CD26A4A77D85@mac.com> <3effba680812291605k6463afd8l7ada3b9cc8ee8711@mail.gmail.com> <495A174F.5050500@internetsolver.com> Message-ID: All XRaids are PATA. There were pictures of an unreleased SATA prototype before Apple dropped the "no more XRAID" ball. Apple left the software flexible enough that they could change vendors on a whim if they wanted to. Since it doesn't check for them, it won't for you too :P On Dec 30, 2008, at 6:42 AM, Dave Weis wrote: > > Thank you all for the pointers. I've got to double check, I think > these are PATA drives. We've got one approx 1TB array built on the > left side, I would like to put 3-4 drives on the right side and > build another array so the sizes not matching existing is no problem. > > Does the device not check for magic drive names or vendor strings on > the drive or will it let me grab any 4 identical drives and put them > in sleds? > > Thanks > dave > > > > > kristau wrote: >> I sourced drives for an XRAID awhile back. Unfortunately, I don't >> have access to the info I gathered while looking for them, but I have >> some hints and tips. >> * Unless the market has changed in the last 6 months, you can't find >> NIB sleds with drives. If you need additional sleds/drives you'll >> have to surf the used/eBay market. Good luck there. >> * Older XRAID systems used parallel or PATA drives, but some of the >> newer ones used SATA drives. Make sure you know which you need. >> * Best way to find out what you need for drives is to pull one of the >> existing drives and get the specs off of it. >> * I had trouble several months ago finding 147 GB PATA drives. If >> yours are the same, then they are probably much more difficult to >> find >> now. The next best thing will be a 250 GB drive. Just realize that >> adding these to an array will only result in 147 GB "used" for the >> array and the rest left "idle" >> Feel free to drop me a direct e-mail at kristau@gmail.com if you need >> further guidance on this. > > > -- > Dave Weis > Internet Solver > Your Technology Partner > 515-224-9229 > www.internetsolver.com > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From rbowler at mchsi.com Tue Dec 30 12:50:34 2008 From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler) Date: Tue Dec 30 12:50:57 2008 Subject: [DM-MUG] Got a few items for sale In-Reply-To: <8916289.1228334205937.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <8916289.1228334205937.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Matt, My son-in-law has a G3 with only 6G and he needs more. Would you have a used drive he could buy which is larger--even 10-20 G would help. Ray On Dec 3, 2008, at Dec 3, 20081:56 PM, Matt W wrote: > You organize it and I'll populate it with stuff. > > Mw > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Matthew Nuzum >> Sent: Dec 3, 2008 12:02 PM >> To: Des Moines Mac Users Group >> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Got a few items for sale >> >> Maybe there should be a dmmug swap meet. >> >> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:16 AM, Matt W >> wrote: >>> Y'know, I've got a ton of gear and parts. Each needs a new home so >>> if anyone has a request just e-mail me directly and ask me. Most >>> of my stuff was collected over the years, and nearly all is in >>> excellent working condition and has been stored in a dry, cool >>> basement. See below for brief list, e-mail me (not the list) if >>> you'd like a spreadsheet. >>> >>> An example of items available: >>> >>> Zip & Jaz drives and disks >>> New Pioneer DVR-109 DVD-RW >>> Rebuilt Airport base stations (Graphite and Snow, both 802.11b) >>> Productive (& non-productive) software: Eudora Pro v4, PageMaker, >>> FileMaker Pro 5, >>> Classic games (some never opened--Civilization II, Agora, Tomb >>> Raider Chronicles), others >>> Gravis Thrustmaster, & Microsoft Sidewinder ADB joysticks >>> 56K external serial modems >>> HP SCSI 11x14" scanner (untested) >>> Lots of cables and adapters (SCSI, FireWire, USB, ADB >>> ABD Mice & keyboards clean and in good condition >>> external SCSI drives and cases >>> Apple ][ stuff >>> CRT monitors >>> Classic Macs of various vintages >>> Newton 2000 in original box >>> Lots more junk!! >>> >>> Matthew >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Sharalyn >>>> Sent: Dec 3, 2008 8:21 AM >>>> To: Des Moines Mac Users Group >>>> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Got a few items for sale >>>> >>>> Anyone got an extra firewire 800-400 adaptor, or even a bi-lingual >>>> wire they want to sell, cheap? I need this right away. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Sharalyn >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> DMMUG mailing list >>> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >>> DMMUG@dmmug.org >>> Use this page to modify subscription options: >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Matthew Nuzum >> newz2000 on freenode >> _______________________________________________ >> DMMUG mailing list >> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >> DMMUG@dmmug.org >> Use this page to modify subscription options: >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > _______________________________________________ > DMMUG mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > DMMUG@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug Ray Bowler rbowler.home.mchsi.com