From bill.davis at gmail.com  Fri Aug  1 10:35:38 2008
From: bill.davis at gmail.com (Bill Davis)
Date: Fri Aug  1 10:36:03 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Networking and Slower than Molassas
In-Reply-To: <p06240801c4b8280dfbd1@192.168.2.4>
References: <p06240828c4b79c5cb821@192.168.2.4>
	<e734c8cd0807311025p424c86ccl936967056a787611@mail.gmail.com>
	<4BC6E424-D01C-435B-812F-AF57347E6A6A@mchsi.com>
	<p06240801c4b8280dfbd1@192.168.2.4>
Message-ID: <e734c8cd0808010835k704acdc0x6116ec1d709d7a18@mail.gmail.com>

"Make sure the virus software is not running constantly"?   That's a silly
suggestion from Mediacom.  If you're using antivirus software, it BETTER be
running constantly or what's the point?   I don't bother on the Mac at this
point, though I do in Parallels.

It was most likely the second suggestion that did the trick  -- if you had
DNS server addresses in the DNS Server field in Network prefs, that
DEFINITELY can cause network slowdowns if the servers don't exist.  More
specifically, if the first one doesn't exist, it then tries the second one
and the third and so on...until if finds one.  This repeated searching will
slow you down, which is what you experienced.   You used to have to type
those in, now I think it gets them via DHCP or from the cable modem or
something (I am not a network guru) rather than that field....but it may be
using the ones in the field first or instead (in case you have your own DNS
server or something, I guess - necessary if you are running web sites or
other Internet servers) and if those are old/outdated they could slow you
waaaaaay down.

A DNS server, for those that don't know, is a Domain Name System server.  It
lets your web browser take an Internet URL such as www.apple.com or
ftp.apple.com  for example and look up with the numeric Internet Protocol
(IP as in TCP/IP) address for the server that it needs to actually
communicate with Apple's servers.  It's sort of the phone book for the 'Net
- with a phone book you look up "Haddock" and get "515-225-1264".    You
could save the number, but if they ever change it, you'd have to look it up
again from the DNS, so it's just better to let the computer ALWAYS look it
up.  Also, www.apple.com is not really just one web server...it's probably
dozens of them or more that you get routed to randomly to spread the load
around so the server responds promptly when things get busy.   Sort of like
a business having multiple phone lines but you still always just call the
"main" one.  The phone system can route you to a different number if the
"real" one is busy, transparently to you.

 - Bill


On 7/31/08, Victoria L. Herring <vlh@herringlaw.com> wrote:
>
> I did call Mediacom and the woman there suggested two things that were very
> helpful - (1) make sure the virus software is not running constantly [it
> was, not what I normally set] and (2) DNS Server space in the Network prefs.
> is not supposed to have numbers in it== I removed them -- not sure what the
> actual solution was but it seems to have worked.
> --
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights,
> Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph.
> 515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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From bill.davis at gmail.com  Fri Aug  1 10:36:03 2008
From: bill.davis at gmail.com (Bill Davis)
Date: Fri Aug  1 10:36:29 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Networking and Slower than Molassas
In-Reply-To: <4BC6E424-D01C-435B-812F-AF57347E6A6A@mchsi.com>
References: <p06240828c4b79c5cb821@192.168.2.4>
	<e734c8cd0807311025p424c86ccl936967056a787611@mail.gmail.com>
	<4BC6E424-D01C-435B-812F-AF57347E6A6A@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <e734c8cd0808010836y4afd0240h5f6d6ab273eac7ac@mail.gmail.com>

Ray -

Mine didn't have a password.  I don't think you're looking at the cable
modem. Or perhaps Mediacom has started securing them.  Perhaps you can post
a picture of the screen you see somewhere?  Are there any graphics or
company names such as Motorola or Linksys or DLink or Cisco or something?
Or is it just a prompt for a password?

 - Bill


On 7/31/08, Ray Bowler <rbowler@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> This gets me to a screen asking for a password. I have tied the airport
> password, the network password and the mchsi password. They don't work so
> what shoulr work?
>
> On Jul 31, 2008, at Jul 31, 200812:25 PM, Bill Davis wrote:
>
> It could be a Mediacom hardware problem.  I had a situation once or twice
>> where my cable connection was getting noisy and this impacted speed - the
>> noise beyond a certain level caused too may transmission errors.   They had
>> to send someone out to fix it.  Don't know if it was the box on our unit, or
>> a neighborhood routing box or whatever.   Another sign of the problem was
>> that my cable TV connection was getting "snowy".
>>
>> Not sure what cable modem you have, but mine is a "Motorola Surfboard".
>> I have some notes on the last time I had a problem.
>>
>> If you have a Moto Surfboard, try what they told me to do:  Direct your
>> web browser to http://192.168.100.1/   This is the cable modem's
>> configuration and status screen.
>>
>> I was told to click the "Signal" tab and that the signal-to-noise ratio
>> should be in the high 30's or above.  20's is bad.
>>
>> Another time it was just my cable modem going bad.  They replaced it.
>>
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From alan.maupin at gmail.com  Fri Aug  1 13:00:53 2008
From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Fri Aug  1 13:01:17 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] MacBook Air and Superdrive USB
Message-ID: <e746971b0808011100w61b24737t9f4049ad66de7e43@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone find a USB hub with the correct power level to run the Macbook
Air Superdrive?
Thank
Alan

Sent from Gmail for mobile

On 2/18/08, Matthew W. <maccelerate@earthlink.net> wrote:
> You'll probably get more targeted responses if you include CPU speed
> (and how many, if it's a dual), RAM, HD capacity, OS installed,
> monitor size (viewable), and any other pertinent info.
>
> Mw
>
> On Feb 18, 2008, at 1:06 PM, jimmycolby wrote:
>
>> I have a Power Mac G4, NEC Monitor and a Epson 900 printer I wish
>> to sell.  Anybody interested?
>> Thanks, Jim Colby 289-2424
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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Sat Aug  2 07:45:52 2008
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Sat Aug  2 09:22:09 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Networking and Slower than Molassas
In-Reply-To: <e734c8cd0808010836y4afd0240h5f6d6ab273eac7ac@mail.gmail.com>
References: <p06240828c4b79c5cb821@192.168.2.4>
	<e734c8cd0807311025p424c86ccl936967056a787611@mail.gmail.com>
	<4BC6E424-D01C-435B-812F-AF57347E6A6A@mchsi.com>
	<e734c8cd0808010836y4afd0240h5f6d6ab273eac7ac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BEF8BC89-8AC6-4D45-B303-3012184C9B0A@mchsi.com>

I didn't think I should need one. Here is a screen sot which also  
shows the URL. No matter what I enter it takes me ti www.htm which is  
the one to select your Mediacom community, I' am on a Mac mini running  
Leopard with a second generation Airport the flying saucer). I wonder  
what happens if I use ethernet. I may try that later today.






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On Aug 1, 2008, at Aug 1, 200810:36 AM, Bill Davis wrote:

> Ray -
>
> Mine didn't have a password.  I don't think you're looking at the  
> cable modem. Or perhaps Mediacom has started securing them.  Perhaps  
> you can post a picture of the screen you see somewhere?  Are there  
> any graphics or company names such as Motorola or Linksys or DLink  
> or Cisco or something?  Or is it just a prompt for a password?
>
>  - Bill
>
>
> On 7/31/08, Ray Bowler <rbowler@mchsi.com> wrote: Bill,
>
> This gets me to a screen asking for a password. I have tied the  
> airport password, the network password and the mchsi password. They  
> don't work so what shoulr work?
>
> On Jul 31, 2008, at Jul 31, 200812:25 PM, Bill Davis wrote:

From vlh at herringlaw.com  Sat Aug  2 11:52:34 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sat Aug  2 11:53:58 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Networking and Slower than Molassas
In-Reply-To: <BEF8BC89-8AC6-4D45-B303-3012184C9B0A@mchsi.com>
References: <p06240828c4b79c5cb821@192.168.2.4>
	<e734c8cd0807311025p424c86ccl936967056a787611@mail.gmail.com>
	<4BC6E424-D01C-435B-812F-AF57347E6A6A@mchsi.com>
	<e734c8cd0808010836y4afd0240h5f6d6ab273eac7ac@mail.gmail.com>
	<BEF8BC89-8AC6-4D45-B303-3012184C9B0A@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <p0624081fc4ba410fd740@[192.168.2.4]>

I used the UrL with my mediacom modem -- not the usual kind, this is 
uglier but it's commercial and the one that the guy had when he came 
to fix the one I had - and up comes the status page...I am connected 
via ethernet.
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From vlh at herringlaw.com  Tue Aug  5 12:43:30 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue Aug  5 12:44:00 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] new Mac user
Message-ID: <p06240817c4be41726628@[192.168.2.4]>

a good friend of mine just got rid of her 4 year old Dell [it started 
doing Fatal Errors on her] and bought a 15" MacBook Pro = she does 
have practice software that is windows based =

the lst Q is - Parallels or VMFusion???

2nd Q - any good sites, blogs or other info [other than Apple's site] 
to steer her toward if she has Q...

Thanks
-- 
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Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From colindw at gmail.com  Tue Aug  5 13:24:34 2008
From: colindw at gmail.com (Colin Wheeler)
Date: Tue Aug  5 13:25:01 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] new Mac user
In-Reply-To: <p06240817c4be41726628@[192.168.2.4]>
References: <p06240817c4be41726628@[192.168.2.4]>
Message-ID: <8AC7DD1B-3F2B-4EA1-BED7-360DD5896410@gmail.com>

1. VMware

I have tried and own licenses to both and by far I prefer VMware.  
VMware Fusion has support for things like multi-core (parallels can  
only use 1 core if you have a dual/quad core machine which limits you  
on the VM performance if you really want windows/etc to boot up fast  
and get the work done and then shut it down. Also VMware supports 64- 
bit OS's/apps which Parallels doesn't yet support.

Plus soon VMware will support running Mac OS X Server in a virtual  
machine which will be great (NOTE I said Leopard SERVER and not the  
client version! Apple Legal won't allow that for now.)

That said Parallels is not that bad either, but i feel like VMware can  
pretty much match everything Parallels can do and more and is less  
resource intensive especially if you have a lighter machine with not  
as fast a CPU/RAM,etc

I used Parallels for a long while to do my homework on XP/Visual  
Studio and make sure that documents were readable in MS Office for  
Windows and recently switched to VMware and now that they will soon  
allow you to run virtualized instances of Mac OS X server Im sold. I  
believe Parallels may do the same thing as well, but they seem to be  
getting behind lately.

I think both of them may also allow you to boot off of a Boot Camp  
Partition as well.

All in all both of them are good choices, but if you want a future  
proof app i'd go with VMware as it's been around a long time and  
theres a big community around providing VM's of various operating  
systems for you to try with VMware like Solaris, Linux,etc so you  
don't have to install and set them up, even for a programmer like me  
sometimes getting the VMware/Parallels tools to work with Linux /  
other OS's isn't that easy sometimes.

2. Just go to their pages and google around, I found more than enough  
resources this way.

Like I said on my blog ( http://cocoasamurai.blogspot.com/2008/08/i-agree-with-gus-vmware-mac-os-x.html 
  ) I can attest to seeing Mac OS X server run well on VMware if you  
are considering that as well.

 From Colin Wheeler
www.cocoasamurai.com


On Aug 5, 2008, at 12:43 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> a good friend of mine just got rid of her 4 year old Dell [it  
> started doing Fatal Errors on her] and bought a 15" MacBook Pro =  
> she does have practice software that is windows based =
>
> the lst Q is - Parallels or VMFusion???
>
> 2nd Q - any good sites, blogs or other info [other than Apple's  
> site] to steer her toward if she has Q...
>
> Thanks
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights,  
> Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph.  
> 515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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From jlagnese at mac.com  Tue Aug  5 14:00:41 2008
From: jlagnese at mac.com (James Lagnese)
Date: Tue Aug  5 14:01:07 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] new Mac user
In-Reply-To: <8AC7DD1B-3F2B-4EA1-BED7-360DD5896410@gmail.com>
References: <p06240817c4be41726628@[192.168.2.4]>
	<8AC7DD1B-3F2B-4EA1-BED7-360DD5896410@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <123160081580866944644407526062818459408-Webmail2@me.com>

I agree that VMWare works better, but Parallels already has server virtualization with OS X. 











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On Tuesday, August 05, 2008, at 01:47PM, "Colin Wheeler" <colindw@gmail.com> wrote:
>1. VMware
>
>I have tried and own licenses to both and by far I prefer VMware.  
>VMware Fusion has support for things like multi-core (parallels can  
>only use 1 core if you have a dual/quad core machine which limits you  
>on the VM performance if you really want windows/etc to boot up fast  
>and get the work done and then shut it down. Also VMware supports 64- 
>bit OS's/apps which Parallels doesn't yet support.
>
>Plus soon VMware will support running Mac OS X Server in a virtual  
>machine which will be great (NOTE I said Leopard SERVER and not the  
>client version! Apple Legal won't allow that for now.)
>
>That said Parallels is not that bad either, but i feel like VMware can  
>pretty much match everything Parallels can do and more and is less  
>resource intensive especially if you have a lighter machine with not  
>as fast a CPU/RAM,etc
>
>I used Parallels for a long while to do my homework on XP/Visual  
>Studio and make sure that documents were readable in MS Office for  
>Windows and recently switched to VMware and now that they will soon  
>allow you to run virtualized instances of Mac OS X server Im sold. I  
>believe Parallels may do the same thing as well, but they seem to be  
>getting behind lately.
>
>I think both of them may also allow you to boot off of a Boot Camp  
>Partition as well.
>
>All in all both of them are good choices, but if you want a future  
>proof app i'd go with VMware as it's been around a long time and  
>theres a big community around providing VM's of various operating  
>systems for you to try with VMware like Solaris, Linux,etc so you  
>don't have to install and set them up, even for a programmer like me  
>sometimes getting the VMware/Parallels tools to work with Linux /  
>other OS's isn't that easy sometimes.
>
>2. Just go to their pages and google around, I found more than enough  
>resources this way.
>
>Like I said on my blog ( http://cocoasamurai.blogspot.com/2008/08/i-agree-with-gus-vmware-mac-os-x.html 
>  ) I can attest to seeing Mac OS X server run well on VMware if you  
>are considering that as well.
>
> From Colin Wheeler
>www.cocoasamurai.com
>
>
>On Aug 5, 2008, at 12:43 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
>
>> a good friend of mine just got rid of her 4 year old Dell [it  
>> started doing Fatal Errors on her] and bought a 15" MacBook Pro =  
>> she does have practice software that is windows based =
>>
>> the lst Q is - Parallels or VMFusion???
>>
>> 2nd Q - any good sites, blogs or other info [other than Apple's  
>> site] to steer her toward if she has Q...
>>
>> Thanks
>> -- 
>> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights,  
>> Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph.  
>> 515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
>> _______________________________________________
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From wjschoenenberger at qwest.net  Tue Aug  5 17:26:58 2008
From: wjschoenenberger at qwest.net (William Schoenenberger)
Date: Tue Aug  5 17:27:22 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] new Mac user
In-Reply-To: <p06240817c4be41726628@[192.168.2.4]>
References: <p06240817c4be41726628@[192.168.2.4]>
Message-ID: <F1F154AD-8236-4C67-B1B8-BA683B0E890D@qwest.net>

I don't have experience with Parallels but use VMFusion. Suggestion,  
when setting disk size, go larger than you think you need (40G instead  
20G). It is a major pain to resize the windows drive (the VMFusion  
part is simple and easy but getting Windows to recognize the bigger  
drive takes several steps).

Works great. I run Windows XP using it. Plan to load Ubuntu.




William Schoenenberger
Des Moines, IA
wjschoenenberger@qwest.net


On Aug 5, 2008, at 12:43 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> a good friend of mine just got rid of her 4 year old Dell [it  
> started doing Fatal Errors on her] and bought a 15" MacBook Pro =  
> she does have practice software that is windows based =
>
> the lst Q is - Parallels or VMFusion???
>
> 2nd Q - any good sites, blogs or other info [other than Apple's  
> site] to steer her toward if she has Q...
>
> Thanks
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights,  
> Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph.  
> 515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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From alan.maupin at gmail.com  Tue Aug  5 21:40:56 2008
From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Tue Aug  5 21:41:24 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] new Mac user
In-Reply-To: <p06240817c4be41726628@[192.168.2.4]>
References: <p06240817c4be41726628@[192.168.2.4]>
Message-ID: <000d01c8f76d$dbcb2a40$6401a8c0@dell9100>

Just installed Parallels 3.0 on a MacBook Air running Vista Home Premium
without a problem.  



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From: dmmug-bounces@dmmug.org [mailto:dmmug-bounces@dmmug.org] On Behalf Of
Victoria L. Herring
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 12:44 PM
To: MUG Des Moines
Subject: [DM-MUG] new Mac user

a good friend of mine just got rid of her 4 year old Dell [it started 
doing Fatal Errors on her] and bought a 15" MacBook Pro = she does 
have practice software that is windows based =

the lst Q is - Parallels or VMFusion???

2nd Q - any good sites, blogs or other info [other than Apple's site] 
to steer her toward if she has Q...

Thanks
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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From starcat at letterboxes.org  Thu Aug  7 09:19:14 2008
From: starcat at letterboxes.org (starcat@letterboxes.org)
Date: Thu Aug  7 09:19:38 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] retrieving files from a Performa 636CD
Message-ID: <1218118754.1963.1267482681@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Hello from a new member.

I have a Performa 636CD, got it in '94 or '95 and used it through 2001
when I upgraded to a used iMac.  I still have and occasionally use the
iMac and also recently inherited a ThinkPad (I know, I know, evil... but
free).  There are a number of files (mostly Word) on the Performa that I
would like to transfer to one of the other computers, but I'm at a
complete loss as to how to do this.  The CD drive on the Performa is
read-only.  Neither the iMac nor the laptop has a floppy drive.  My only
internet access right now is through an air card on the PC (I live in
the middle of nowhere with no other connection options except dial up). 
I do have a dial-up modem for the Performa but no dial-up access.

I am far from a computer expert.  I'm fairly adept at doing what I need
to do, but in terms of anything beyond the basics I'm useless.  I don't
even know whether the files would even be readable at this point - some
of them are 13 years old - but even having unformatted text from these
files would be meaningful.

Purchasing hundreds of dollars worth of stuff to accomplish this really
isn't an option right now, so the cheaper the solution, the better.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions!

kat
From cwsmith7 at gmail.com  Thu Aug  7 09:36:33 2008
From: cwsmith7 at gmail.com (CW Smith)
Date: Thu Aug  7 09:37:23 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] retrieving files from a Performa 636CD
In-Reply-To: <1218118754.1963.1267482681@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <1218118754.1963.1267482681@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <AF23A596-7C75-41D9-9740-C5240857A49E@gmail.com>

I don't know how old the Thinkpad is, but if it's from about 1998 or  
newer, it should have built-in USB. The iMacs have all had built-in  
USB. You can purchase a USB floppy drive through any number of sources  
(MacMall, Best Buy, Amazon, or through me at Haddock), which would  
enable the laptop and the iMac to read/write floppies.

If you're wanting to move things to the Thinkpad, you'll need to use  
PC-formatted floppies (Windoze can't read a Mac floppy without 3rd- 
party help). The Performa and the iMac will be able to work with  
either Mac-formatted or PC-formatted floppies.

On the Performa, just use the internal floppy drive to copy your files  
from the hard drive (albeit 1.4 MB at a time). Hook the USB floppy  
drive to the iMac or the Thinkpad and copy the files from the floppy  
to the target machine. Time consuming, but it'll work, and you'll have  
an extra tool for later use as well.

Peace,
CW


On Aug 7, 2008, at 9:19 AM, starcat@letterboxes.org wrote:

> Hello from a new member.
>
> I have a Performa 636CD, got it in '94 or '95 and used it through 2001
> when I upgraded to a used iMac.  I still have and occasionally use the
> iMac and also recently inherited a ThinkPad (I know, I know, evil...  
> but
> free).  There are a number of files (mostly Word) on the Performa  
> that I
> would like to transfer to one of the other computers, but I'm at a
> complete loss as to how to do this.  The CD drive on the Performa is
> read-only.  Neither the iMac nor the laptop has a floppy drive.  My  
> only
> internet access right now is through an air card on the PC (I live in
> the middle of nowhere with no other connection options except dial  
> up).
> I do have a dial-up modem for the Performa but no dial-up access.
>
> I am far from a computer expert.  I'm fairly adept at doing what I  
> need
> to do, but in terms of anything beyond the basics I'm useless.  I  
> don't
> even know whether the files would even be readable at this point -  
> some
> of them are 13 years old - but even having unformatted text from these
> files would be meaningful.
>
> Purchasing hundreds of dollars worth of stuff to accomplish this  
> really
> isn't an option right now, so the cheaper the solution, the better.
>
> Thanks in advance for any suggestions!
>
> kat
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
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From tyrrell69 at gmail.com  Thu Aug  7 11:52:03 2008
From: tyrrell69 at gmail.com (Chris Tyrrell)
Date: Thu Aug  7 11:52:31 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] retrieving files from a Performa 636CD
In-Reply-To: <1218118754.1963.1267482681@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <1218118754.1963.1267482681@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <C5DBD968-920C-4B72-9C97-C1C9AF2B95F9@gmail.com>

Hi Kat.

One possibility is to extract the drive from the Performa, drop it in  
an external drive enclosure with USB connectivity, then connect the  
USB drive to the iMac. From there, you can email docs to yourself and  
retrieve the mail on the ThinkPad, or copy them to a flash drive  
which you'd then use to transfer them to the ThinkPad.

The thought of removing the drive from the Performa might sound  
scary, but it's really quite easy, though I don't recall what form  
factor that machine is (some are easier than others). Hard drive  
enclosures are available at computer stores. For instance, Best Buy  
has this one for $50.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8774301&st=hard+drive 
+enclosure&lp=2&type=product&cp=1&id=1204332553274

Later on, put a new, larger, drive in the enclosure and use it with  
the ThinkPad for backups.

Cheers,
Chris



On Aug 7, 2008, at 9:19 AM, starcat@letterboxes.org wrote:

> Hello from a new member.
>
> I have a Performa 636CD, got it in '94 or '95 and used it through 2001
> when I upgraded to a used iMac.  I still have and occasionally use the
> iMac and also recently inherited a ThinkPad (I know, I know,  
> evil... but
> free).  There are a number of files (mostly Word) on the Performa  
> that I
> would like to transfer to one of the other computers, but I'm at a
> complete loss as to how to do this.  The CD drive on the Performa is
> read-only.  Neither the iMac nor the laptop has a floppy drive.  My  
> only
> internet access right now is through an air card on the PC (I live in
> the middle of nowhere with no other connection options except dial  
> up).
> I do have a dial-up modem for the Performa but no dial-up access.
>
> I am far from a computer expert.  I'm fairly adept at doing what I  
> need
> to do, but in terms of anything beyond the basics I'm useless.  I  
> don't
> even know whether the files would even be readable at this point -  
> some
> of them are 13 years old - but even having unformatted text from these
> files would be meaningful.
>
> Purchasing hundreds of dollars worth of stuff to accomplish this  
> really
> isn't an option right now, so the cheaper the solution, the better.
>
> Thanks in advance for any suggestions!
>
> kat
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> DMMUG@dmmug.org
> Use this page to modify subscription options:
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From cwsmith7 at gmail.com  Thu Aug  7 13:04:26 2008
From: cwsmith7 at gmail.com (CW Smith)
Date: Thu Aug  7 13:05:01 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] retrieving files from a Performa 636CD
In-Reply-To: <C5DBD968-920C-4B72-9C97-C1C9AF2B95F9@gmail.com>
References: <1218118754.1963.1267482681@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	<C5DBD968-920C-4B72-9C97-C1C9AF2B95F9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <705F5B66-A25F-41D7-AC9B-6BBA9F4C17AE@gmail.com>

The one problem I would foresee here is that the Performa likely uses  
a SCSI hard drive, and that SCSI --> USB and SCSI --> FireWire devices  
are flaky at best. Might not be the best of all options.

Peace,
CW


On Aug 7, 2008, at 11:52 AM, Chris Tyrrell wrote:

> Hi Kat.
>
> One possibility is to extract the drive from the Performa, drop it  
> in an external drive enclosure with USB connectivity, then connect  
> the USB drive to the iMac. From there, you can email docs to  
> yourself and retrieve the mail on the ThinkPad, or copy them to a  
> flash drive which you'd then use to transfer them to the ThinkPad.
>
> The thought of removing the drive from the Performa might sound  
> scary, but it's really quite easy, though I don't recall what form  
> factor that machine is (some are easier than others). Hard drive  
> enclosures are available at computer stores. For instance, Best Buy  
> has this one for $50.
> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8774301&st=hard+drive+enclosure&lp=2&type=product&cp=1&id=1204332553274
>
> Later on, put a new, larger, drive in the enclosure and use it with  
> the ThinkPad for backups.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
>
>
> On Aug 7, 2008, at 9:19 AM, starcat@letterboxes.org wrote:
>
>> Hello from a new member.
>>
>> I have a Performa 636CD, got it in '94 or '95 and used it through  
>> 2001
>> when I upgraded to a used iMac.  I still have and occasionally use  
>> the
>> iMac and also recently inherited a ThinkPad (I know, I know,  
>> evil... but
>> free).  There are a number of files (mostly Word) on the Performa  
>> that I
>> would like to transfer to one of the other computers, but I'm at a
>> complete loss as to how to do this.  The CD drive on the Performa is
>> read-only.  Neither the iMac nor the laptop has a floppy drive.  My  
>> only
>> internet access right now is through an air card on the PC (I live in
>> the middle of nowhere with no other connection options except dial  
>> up).
>> I do have a dial-up modem for the Performa but no dial-up access.
>>
>> I am far from a computer expert.  I'm fairly adept at doing what I  
>> need
>> to do, but in terms of anything beyond the basics I'm useless.  I  
>> don't
>> even know whether the files would even be readable at this point -  
>> some
>> of them are 13 years old - but even having unformatted text from  
>> these
>> files would be meaningful.
>>
>> Purchasing hundreds of dollars worth of stuff to accomplish this  
>> really
>> isn't an option right now, so the cheaper the solution, the better.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any suggestions!
>>
>> kat
>> _______________________________________________
>> DMMUG mailing list
>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>> DMMUG@dmmug.org
>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
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From jlagnese at mac.com  Thu Aug  7 13:21:33 2008
From: jlagnese at mac.com (James Lagnese)
Date: Thu Aug  7 13:21:57 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] retrieving files from a Performa 636CD
In-Reply-To: <705F5B66-A25F-41D7-AC9B-6BBA9F4C17AE@gmail.com>
References: <1218118754.1963.1267482681@webmail.messagingengine.com>
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	<705F5B66-A25F-41D7-AC9B-6BBA9F4C17AE@gmail.com>
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I believe it used IDE. 

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On Thursday, August 07, 2008, at 01:05PM, "CW Smith" <cwsmith7@gmail.com> wrote:
>The one problem I would foresee here is that the Performa likely uses  
>a SCSI hard drive, and that SCSI --> USB and SCSI --> FireWire devices  
>are flaky at best. Might not be the best of all options.
>
>Peace,
>CW
>
>
>On Aug 7, 2008, at 11:52 AM, Chris Tyrrell wrote:
>
>> Hi Kat.
>>
>> One possibility is to extract the drive from the Performa, drop it  
>> in an external drive enclosure with USB connectivity, then connect  
>> the USB drive to the iMac. From there, you can email docs to  
>> yourself and retrieve the mail on the ThinkPad, or copy them to a  
>> flash drive which you'd then use to transfer them to the ThinkPad.
>>
>> The thought of removing the drive from the Performa might sound  
>> scary, but it's really quite easy, though I don't recall what form  
>> factor that machine is (some are easier than others). Hard drive  
>> enclosures are available at computer stores. For instance, Best Buy  
>> has this one for $50.
>> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8774301&st=hard+drive+enclosure&lp=2&type=product&cp=1&id=1204332553274
>>
>> Later on, put a new, larger, drive in the enclosure and use it with  
>> the ThinkPad for backups.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 7, 2008, at 9:19 AM, starcat@letterboxes.org wrote:
>>
>>> Hello from a new member.
>>>
>>> I have a Performa 636CD, got it in '94 or '95 and used it through  
>>> 2001
>>> when I upgraded to a used iMac.  I still have and occasionally use  
>>> the
>>> iMac and also recently inherited a ThinkPad (I know, I know,  
>>> evil... but
>>> free).  There are a number of files (mostly Word) on the Performa  
>>> that I
>>> would like to transfer to one of the other computers, but I'm at a
>>> complete loss as to how to do this.  The CD drive on the Performa is
>>> read-only.  Neither the iMac nor the laptop has a floppy drive.  My  
>>> only
>>> internet access right now is through an air card on the PC (I live in
>>> the middle of nowhere with no other connection options except dial  
>>> up).
>>> I do have a dial-up modem for the Performa but no dial-up access.
>>>
>>> I am far from a computer expert.  I'm fairly adept at doing what I  
>>> need
>>> to do, but in terms of anything beyond the basics I'm useless.  I  
>>> don't
>>> even know whether the files would even be readable at this point -  
>>> some
>>> of them are 13 years old - but even having unformatted text from  
>>> these
>>> files would be meaningful.
>>>
>>> Purchasing hundreds of dollars worth of stuff to accomplish this  
>>> really
>>> isn't an option right now, so the cheaper the solution, the better.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for any suggestions!
>>>
>>> kat
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> DMMUG mailing list
>>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>>> DMMUG@dmmug.org
>>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>>
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>
>
From robolaw at aol.com  Thu Aug  7 13:29:17 2008
From: robolaw at aol.com (Michael R. Hoffmann)
Date: Thu Aug  7 13:29:46 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] retrieving files from a Performa 636CD
In-Reply-To: <156484276175398430573111485696041925353-Webmail2@me.com>
References: <1218118754.1963.1267482681@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	<C5DBD968-920C-4B72-9C97-C1C9AF2B95F9@gmail.com>
	<705F5B66-A25F-41D7-AC9B-6BBA9F4C17AE@gmail.com>
	<156484276175398430573111485696041925353-Webmail2@me.com>
Message-ID: <95969469-A8FB-42F7-8EE5-AFFA259A630F@aol.com>

Any reason the mac's couldn't be connected to a 10-baseT hub & the =20
old drive shared, so whatever is wanted on the new one could be =20
transferred?
On Aug 7, 2008, at 1:21 PM, James Lagnese wrote:

> I believe it used IDE.
>
> --=20
> =F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0
> Jim Lagnese
> jlagnese@gmail.com
> jlagnese@mac.com
> http://www.the-right-guy.com
> 515-987-0546 Home
> 515-321-7301 Cell
> AIM/iChat:jlagnese@mac.com
> YAHOO:jdlagnese
> MSN:macmanjim@hotmail.com
> =F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0
>
>
> On Thursday, August 07, 2008, at 01:05PM, "CW Smith" =20
> <cwsmith7@gmail.com> wrote:
>> The one problem I would foresee here is that the Performa likely uses
>> a SCSI hard drive, and that SCSI --> USB and SCSI --> FireWire =20
>> devices
>> are flaky at best. Might not be the best of all options.
>>
>> Peace,
>> CW
>>
>>
>> On Aug 7, 2008, at 11:52 AM, Chris Tyrrell wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Kat.
>>>
>>> One possibility is to extract the drive from the Performa, drop it
>>> in an external drive enclosure with USB connectivity, then connect
>>> the USB drive to the iMac. From there, you can email docs to
>>> yourself and retrieve the mail on the ThinkPad, or copy them to a
>>> flash drive which you'd then use to transfer them to the ThinkPad.
>>>
>>> The thought of removing the drive from the Performa might sound
>>> scary, but it's really quite easy, though I don't recall what form
>>> factor that machine is (some are easier than others). Hard drive
>>> enclosures are available at computer stores. For instance, Best Buy
>>> has this one for $50.
>>> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=3D8774301&st=3Dhard=20
>>> +drive+enclosure&lp=3D2&type=3Dproduct&cp=3D1&id=3D1204332553274
>>>
>>> Later on, put a new, larger, drive in the enclosure and use it with
>>> the ThinkPad for backups.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 7, 2008, at 9:19 AM, starcat@letterboxes.org wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello from a new member.
>>>>
>>>> I have a Performa 636CD, got it in '94 or '95 and used it through
>>>> 2001
>>>> when I upgraded to a used iMac.  I still have and occasionally use
>>>> the
>>>> iMac and also recently inherited a ThinkPad (I know, I know,
>>>> evil... but
>>>> free).  There are a number of files (mostly Word) on the Performa
>>>> that I
>>>> would like to transfer to one of the other computers, but I'm at a
>>>> complete loss as to how to do this.  The CD drive on the =20
>>>> Performa is
>>>> read-only.  Neither the iMac nor the laptop has a floppy drive.  My
>>>> only
>>>> internet access right now is through an air card on the PC (I =20
>>>> live in
>>>> the middle of nowhere with no other connection options except dial
>>>> up).
>>>> I do have a dial-up modem for the Performa but no dial-up access.
>>>>
>>>> I am far from a computer expert.  I'm fairly adept at doing what I
>>>> need
>>>> to do, but in terms of anything beyond the basics I'm useless.  I
>>>> don't
>>>> even know whether the files would even be readable at this point -
>>>> some
>>>> of them are 13 years old - but even having unformatted text from
>>>> these
>>>> files would be meaningful.
>>>>
>>>> Purchasing hundreds of dollars worth of stuff to accomplish this
>>>> really
>>>> isn't an option right now, so the cheaper the solution, the better.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance for any suggestions!
>>>>
>>>> kat
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> DMMUG mailing list
>>>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>>>> DMMUG@dmmug.org
>>>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>>>
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From jlagnese at gmail.com  Thu Aug  7 13:31:45 2008
From: jlagnese at gmail.com (j lagnese)
Date: Thu Aug  7 13:32:11 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] retrieving files from a Performa 636CD
In-Reply-To: <95969469-A8FB-42F7-8EE5-AFFA259A630F@aol.com>
References: <1218118754.1963.1267482681@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	<C5DBD968-920C-4B72-9C97-C1C9AF2B95F9@gmail.com>
	<705F5B66-A25F-41D7-AC9B-6BBA9F4C17AE@gmail.com>
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	<95969469-A8FB-42F7-8EE5-AFFA259A630F@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1edacbe20808071131n217315e1m906a7247bae548e6@mail.gmail.com>

Yes

On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Michael R. Hoffmann <robolaw@aol.com> wrote:

> Any reason the mac's couldn't be connected to a 10-baseT hub & the old
> drive shared, so whatever is wanted on the new one could be transferred?
>
> On Aug 7, 2008, at 1:21 PM, James Lagnese wrote:
>
>  I believe it used IDE.
>>
>> --
>> ???????????????????
>> Jim Lagnese
>> jlagnese@gmail.com
>> jlagnese@mac.com
>> http://www.the-right-guy.com
>> 515-987-0546 Home
>> 515-321-7301 Cell
>> AIM/iChat:jlagnese@mac.com <iChat%3Ajlagnese@mac.com>
>> YAHOO:jdlagnese
>> MSN:macmanjim@hotmail.com <MSN%3Amacmanjim@hotmail.com>
>> ???????????????????
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, August 07, 2008, at 01:05PM, "CW Smith" <cwsmith7@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The one problem I would foresee here is that the Performa likely uses
>>> a SCSI hard drive, and that SCSI --> USB and SCSI --> FireWire devices
>>> are flaky at best. Might not be the best of all options.
>>>
>>> Peace,
>>> CW
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 7, 2008, at 11:52 AM, Chris Tyrrell wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hi Kat.
>>>>
>>>> One possibility is to extract the drive from the Performa, drop it
>>>> in an external drive enclosure with USB connectivity, then connect
>>>> the USB drive to the iMac. From there, you can email docs to
>>>> yourself and retrieve the mail on the ThinkPad, or copy them to a
>>>> flash drive which you'd then use to transfer them to the ThinkPad.
>>>>
>>>> The thought of removing the drive from the Performa might sound
>>>> scary, but it's really quite easy, though I don't recall what form
>>>> factor that machine is (some are easier than others). Hard drive
>>>> enclosures are available at computer stores. For instance, Best Buy
>>>> has this one for $50.
>>>> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8774301&st=hard
>>>> +drive+enclosure&lp=2&type=product&cp=1&id=1204332553274
>>>>
>>>> Later on, put a new, larger, drive in the enclosure and use it with
>>>> the ThinkPad for backups.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 7, 2008, at 9:19 AM, starcat@letterboxes.org wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Hello from a new member.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a Performa 636CD, got it in '94 or '95 and used it through
>>>>> 2001
>>>>> when I upgraded to a used iMac.  I still have and occasionally use
>>>>> the
>>>>> iMac and also recently inherited a ThinkPad (I know, I know,
>>>>> evil... but
>>>>> free).  There are a number of files (mostly Word) on the Performa
>>>>> that I
>>>>> would like to transfer to one of the other computers, but I'm at a
>>>>> complete loss as to how to do this.  The CD drive on the Performa is
>>>>> read-only.  Neither the iMac nor the laptop has a floppy drive.  My
>>>>> only
>>>>> internet access right now is through an air card on the PC (I live in
>>>>> the middle of nowhere with no other connection options except dial
>>>>> up).
>>>>> I do have a dial-up modem for the Performa but no dial-up access.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am far from a computer expert.  I'm fairly adept at doing what I
>>>>> need
>>>>> to do, but in terms of anything beyond the basics I'm useless.  I
>>>>> don't
>>>>> even know whether the files would even be readable at this point -
>>>>> some
>>>>> of them are 13 years old - but even having unformatted text from
>>>>> these
>>>>> files would be meaningful.
>>>>>
>>>>> Purchasing hundreds of dollars worth of stuff to accomplish this
>>>>> really
>>>>> isn't an option right now, so the cheaper the solution, the better.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance for any suggestions!
>>>>>
>>>>> kat
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> DMMUG mailing list
>>>>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>>>>> DMMUG@dmmug.org
>>>>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
>>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>>>>>
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From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Thu Aug  7 14:01:22 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] retrieving files from a Performa 636CD
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If you don't have ethernet, that won't work.  If you have a serial  
port or a modem, you can do a modem to modem connection, but its been  
years since I've even thought on how to do it.  Basically we are  
talking about how we used to transfer files to the original iMac.   
Apple used to have a Tech Info Library article about it, but I don't  
know if it survived when they changed to Knowledge Base.
On Aug 7, 2008, at 1:31 PM, j lagnese wrote:

> Yes
>
> On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Michael R. Hoffmann  
> <robolaw@aol.com> wrote:
> Any reason the mac's couldn't be connected to a 10-baseT hub & the  
> old drive shared, so whatever is wanted on the new one could be  
> transferred?
>
> On Aug 7, 2008, at 1:21 PM, James Lagnese wrote:
>
> I believe it used IDE.
>
> -- 
> ???????????????????
> Jim Lagnese
> jlagnese@gmail.com
> jlagnese@mac.com
> http://www.the-right-guy.com
> 515-987-0546 Home
> 515-321-7301 Cell
> AIM/iChat:jlagnese@mac.com
> YAHOO:jdlagnese
> MSN:macmanjim@hotmail.com
> ???????????????????
>
>
> On Thursday, August 07, 2008, at 01:05PM, "CW Smith" <cwsmith7@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
> The one problem I would foresee here is that the Performa likely uses
> a SCSI hard drive, and that SCSI --> USB and SCSI --> FireWire devices
> are flaky at best. Might not be the best of all options.
>
> Peace,
> CW
>
>
> On Aug 7, 2008, at 11:52 AM, Chris Tyrrell wrote:
>
> Hi Kat.
>
> One possibility is to extract the drive from the Performa, drop it
> in an external drive enclosure with USB connectivity, then connect
> the USB drive to the iMac. From there, you can email docs to
> yourself and retrieve the mail on the ThinkPad, or copy them to a
> flash drive which you'd then use to transfer them to the ThinkPad.
>
> The thought of removing the drive from the Performa might sound
> scary, but it's really quite easy, though I don't recall what form
> factor that machine is (some are easier than others). Hard drive
> enclosures are available at computer stores. For instance, Best Buy
> has this one for $50.
> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8774301&st=hard+drive+enclosure&lp=2&type=product&cp=1&id=1204332553274
>
> Later on, put a new, larger, drive in the enclosure and use it with
> the ThinkPad for backups.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
>
>
> On Aug 7, 2008, at 9:19 AM, starcat@letterboxes.org wrote:
>
> Hello from a new member.
>
> I have a Performa 636CD, got it in '94 or '95 and used it through
> 2001
> when I upgraded to a used iMac.  I still have and occasionally use
> the
> iMac and also recently inherited a ThinkPad (I know, I know,
> evil... but
> free).  There are a number of files (mostly Word) on the Performa
> that I
> would like to transfer to one of the other computers, but I'm at a
> complete loss as to how to do this.  The CD drive on the Performa is
> read-only.  Neither the iMac nor the laptop has a floppy drive.  My
> only
> internet access right now is through an air card on the PC (I live in
> the middle of nowhere with no other connection options except dial
> up).
> I do have a dial-up modem for the Performa but no dial-up access.
>
> I am far from a computer expert.  I'm fairly adept at doing what I
> need
> to do, but in terms of anything beyond the basics I'm useless.  I
> don't
> even know whether the files would even be readable at this point -
> some
> of them are 13 years old - but even having unformatted text from
> these
> files would be meaningful.
>
> Purchasing hundreds of dollars worth of stuff to accomplish this
> really
> isn't an option right now, so the cheaper the solution, the better.
>
> Thanks in advance for any suggestions!
>
> kat
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From robolaw at aol.com  Thu Aug  7 14:08:46 2008
From: robolaw at aol.com (Michael R. Hoffmann)
Date: Thu Aug  7 14:09:26 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] retrieving files from a Performa 636CD
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Two cables & a hub. If anyone needs to use them them let me know. =20
Also I have adaptors for older Macs to hook to the 10-base T. We may =20
need to install some software too, but I have that as well.

On Aug 7, 2008, at 2:00 PM, Jon Thompson wrote:

> If you don't have ethernet, that won't work.  If you have a serial =20
> port or a modem, you can do a modem to modem connection, but its =20
> been years since I've even thought on how to do it.  Basically we =20
> are talking about how we used to transfer files to the original =20
> iMac.  Apple used to have a Tech Info Library article about it, but =20
> I don't know if it survived when they changed to Knowledge Base.
> On Aug 7, 2008, at 1:31 PM, j lagnese wrote:
>
>> Yes
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Michael R. Hoffmann =20
>> <robolaw@aol.com> wrote:
>> Any reason the mac's couldn't be connected to a 10-baseT hub & the =20
>> old drive shared, so whatever is wanted on the new one could be =20
>> transferred?
>>
>> On Aug 7, 2008, at 1:21 PM, James Lagnese wrote:
>>
>> I believe it used IDE.
>>
>> --=20
>> =F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0
>> Jim Lagnese
>> jlagnese@gmail.com
>> jlagnese@mac.com
>> http://www.the-right-guy.com
>> 515-987-0546 Home
>> 515-321-7301 Cell
>> AIM/iChat:jlagnese@mac.com
>> YAHOO:jdlagnese
>> MSN:macmanjim@hotmail.com
>> =F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0=F0
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, August 07, 2008, at 01:05PM, "CW Smith" =20
>> <cwsmith7@gmail.com> wrote:
>> The one problem I would foresee here is that the Performa likely uses
>> a SCSI hard drive, and that SCSI --> USB and SCSI --> FireWire =20
>> devices
>> are flaky at best. Might not be the best of all options.
>>
>> Peace,
>> CW
>>
>>
>> On Aug 7, 2008, at 11:52 AM, Chris Tyrrell wrote:
>>
>> Hi Kat.
>>
>> One possibility is to extract the drive from the Performa, drop it
>> in an external drive enclosure with USB connectivity, then connect
>> the USB drive to the iMac. From there, you can email docs to
>> yourself and retrieve the mail on the ThinkPad, or copy them to a
>> flash drive which you'd then use to transfer them to the ThinkPad.
>>
>> The thought of removing the drive from the Performa might sound
>> scary, but it's really quite easy, though I don't recall what form
>> factor that machine is (some are easier than others). Hard drive
>> enclosures are available at computer stores. For instance, Best Buy
>> has this one for $50.
>> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=3D8774301&st=3Dhard+drive=20
>> +enclosure&lp=3D2&type=3Dproduct&cp=3D1&id=3D1204332553274
>>
>> Later on, put a new, larger, drive in the enclosure and use it with
>> the ThinkPad for backups.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 7, 2008, at 9:19 AM, starcat@letterboxes.org wrote:
>>
>> Hello from a new member.
>>
>> I have a Performa 636CD, got it in '94 or '95 and used it through
>> 2001
>> when I upgraded to a used iMac.  I still have and occasionally use
>> the
>> iMac and also recently inherited a ThinkPad (I know, I know,
>> evil... but
>> free).  There are a number of files (mostly Word) on the Performa
>> that I
>> would like to transfer to one of the other computers, but I'm at a
>> complete loss as to how to do this.  The CD drive on the Performa is
>> read-only.  Neither the iMac nor the laptop has a floppy drive.  My
>> only
>> internet access right now is through an air card on the PC (I live in
>> the middle of nowhere with no other connection options except dial
>> up).
>> I do have a dial-up modem for the Performa but no dial-up access.
>>
>> I am far from a computer expert.  I'm fairly adept at doing what I
>> need
>> to do, but in terms of anything beyond the basics I'm useless.  I
>> don't
>> even know whether the files would even be readable at this point -
>> some
>> of them are 13 years old - but even having unformatted text from
>> these
>> files would be meaningful.
>>
>> Purchasing hundreds of dollars worth of stuff to accomplish this
>> really
>> isn't an option right now, so the cheaper the solution, the better.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any suggestions!
>>
>> kat
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Jim Lagnese
>> jlagnese@gmail.com
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>> http://www.the-right-guy.com
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From jlagnese at mac.com  Thu Aug  7 14:13:56 2008
From: jlagnese at mac.com (James Lagnese)
Date: Thu Aug  7 14:14:24 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] retrieving files from a Performa 636CD
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as long as they are close in Appletalk versions. I don't think you can take a system 7 or 8 at best computer and fileshare to a OS X computer. At least I don't believe it works with OS X Server. That being said since the drive is IDE, why not put it in a USB/Firewire drive enclosure? 
 
On Thursday, August 07, 2008, at 02:09PM, "Michael R. Hoffmann" <robolaw@aol.com> wrote:
>Two cables & a hub. If anyone needs to use them them let me know.  
>Also I have adaptors for older Macs to hook to the 10-base T. We may  
>need to install some software too, but I have that as well.
>
>On Aug 7, 2008, at 2:00 PM, Jon Thompson wrote:
>
>> If you don't have ethernet, that won't work.  If you have a serial  
>> port or a modem, you can do a modem to modem connection, but its  
>> been years since I've even thought on how to do it.  Basically we  
>> are talking about how we used to transfer files to the original  
>> iMac.  Apple used to have a Tech Info Library article about it, but  
>> I don't know if it survived when they changed to Knowledge Base.
>> On Aug 7, 2008, at 1:31 PM, j lagnese wrote:
>>
>>> Yes
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Michael R. Hoffmann  
>>> <robolaw@aol.com> wrote:
>>> Any reason the mac's couldn't be connected to a 10-baseT hub & the  
>>> old drive shared, so whatever is wanted on the new one could be  
>>> transferred?
>>>
>>> On Aug 7, 2008, at 1:21 PM, James Lagnese wrote:
>>>
>>> I believe it used IDE.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> ???????????????????
>>> Jim Lagnese
>>> jlagnese@gmail.com
>>> jlagnese@mac.com
>>> http://www.the-right-guy.com
>>> 515-987-0546 Home
>>> 515-321-7301 Cell
>>> AIM/iChat:jlagnese@mac.com
>>> YAHOO:jdlagnese
>>> MSN:macmanjim@hotmail.com
>>> ???????????????????
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 07, 2008, at 01:05PM, "CW Smith"  
>>> <cwsmith7@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> The one problem I would foresee here is that the Performa likely uses
>>> a SCSI hard drive, and that SCSI --> USB and SCSI --> FireWire  
>>> devices
>>> are flaky at best. Might not be the best of all options.
>>>
>>> Peace,
>>> CW
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 7, 2008, at 11:52 AM, Chris Tyrrell wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Kat.
>>>
>>> One possibility is to extract the drive from the Performa, drop it
>>> in an external drive enclosure with USB connectivity, then connect
>>> the USB drive to the iMac. From there, you can email docs to
>>> yourself and retrieve the mail on the ThinkPad, or copy them to a
>>> flash drive which you'd then use to transfer them to the ThinkPad.
>>>
>>> The thought of removing the drive from the Performa might sound
>>> scary, but it's really quite easy, though I don't recall what form
>>> factor that machine is (some are easier than others). Hard drive
>>> enclosures are available at computer stores. For instance, Best Buy
>>> has this one for $50.
>>> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8774301&st=hard+drive 
>>> +enclosure&lp=2&type=product&cp=1&id=1204332553274
>>>
>>> Later on, put a new, larger, drive in the enclosure and use it with
>>> the ThinkPad for backups.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 7, 2008, at 9:19 AM, starcat@letterboxes.org wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello from a new member.
>>>
>>> I have a Performa 636CD, got it in '94 or '95 and used it through
>>> 2001
>>> when I upgraded to a used iMac.  I still have and occasionally use
>>> the
>>> iMac and also recently inherited a ThinkPad (I know, I know,
>>> evil... but
>>> free).  There are a number of files (mostly Word) on the Performa
>>> that I
>>> would like to transfer to one of the other computers, but I'm at a
>>> complete loss as to how to do this.  The CD drive on the Performa is
>>> read-only.  Neither the iMac nor the laptop has a floppy drive.  My
>>> only
>>> internet access right now is through an air card on the PC (I live in
>>> the middle of nowhere with no other connection options except dial
>>> up).
>>> I do have a dial-up modem for the Performa but no dial-up access.
>>>
>>> I am far from a computer expert.  I'm fairly adept at doing what I
>>> need
>>> to do, but in terms of anything beyond the basics I'm useless.  I
>>> don't
>>> even know whether the files would even be readable at this point -
>>> some
>>> of them are 13 years old - but even having unformatted text from
>>> these
>>> files would be meaningful.
>>>
>>> Purchasing hundreds of dollars worth of stuff to accomplish this
>>> really
>>> isn't an option right now, so the cheaper the solution, the better.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for any suggestions!
>>>
>>> kat
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> DMMUG mailing list
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>>> http://www.the-right-guy.com
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>>> 515-321-7301 Cell
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From starcat at letterboxes.org  Thu Aug  7 15:18:03 2008
From: starcat at letterboxes.org (starcat@letterboxes.org)
Date: Thu Aug  7 15:18:27 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] retrieving files from a Performa 636CD
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Wow, thanks for all the suggestions.  Can't say I fully understand
everything that's been suggested, but I can start with the things I
understand.  Both the USB floppy drive or the cable-hub-cable route 
sound like things I could do without too much trouble.

The Performa is running 7.5, the iMac is running 9.1.  Will the
cable-hub-cable route work with between these two systems?  If it has a
chance, I'd greatly appreciate borrowing the equipment and software.

You folks are great!

kat

On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:13:56 -0500, "James Lagnese" <jlagnese@mac.com>
said:
> 
> as long as they are close in Appletalk versions. I don't think you can
> take a system 7 or 8 at best computer and fileshare to a OS X computer.
> At least I don't believe it works with OS X Server. That being said since
> the drive is IDE, why not put it in a USB/Firewire drive enclosure? 
>  
> On Thursday, August 07, 2008, at 02:09PM, "Michael R. Hoffmann"
> <robolaw@aol.com> wrote:
> >Two cables & a hub. If anyone needs to use them them let me know.  
> >Also I have adaptors for older Macs to hook to the 10-base T. We may  
> >need to install some software too, but I have that as well.
> >
> >On Aug 7, 2008, at 2:00 PM, Jon Thompson wrote:
> >
> >> If you don't have ethernet, that won't work.  If you have a serial  
> >> port or a modem, you can do a modem to modem connection, but its  
> >> been years since I've even thought on how to do it.  Basically we  
> >> are talking about how we used to transfer files to the original  
> >> iMac.  Apple used to have a Tech Info Library article about it, but  
> >> I don't know if it survived when they changed to Knowledge Base.
> >> On Aug 7, 2008, at 1:31 PM, j lagnese wrote:
> >>
> >>> Yes
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Michael R. Hoffmann  
> >>> <robolaw@aol.com> wrote:
> >>> Any reason the mac's couldn't be connected to a 10-baseT hub & the  
> >>> old drive shared, so whatever is wanted on the new one could be  
> >>> transferred?
> >>>
> >>> On Aug 7, 2008, at 1:21 PM, James Lagnese wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I believe it used IDE.
> >>>
> >>> -- 
> >>> &#63743;&#63743;&#63743;&#63743;&#63743;&#63743;&#63743;&#63743;&#63743;&#63743;&#63743;&#63743;&#63743;&#63743;&#63743;&#63743;&#63743;&#63743;&#63743;
> >>> Jim Lagnese
> >>> jlagnese@gmail.com
> >>> jlagnese@mac.com
> >>> http://www.the-right-guy.com
> >>> 515-987-0546 Home
> >>> 515-321-7301 Cell
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thursday, August 07, 2008, at 01:05PM, "CW Smith"  
> >>> <cwsmith7@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> The one problem I would foresee here is that the Performa likely uses
> >>> a SCSI hard drive, and that SCSI --> USB and SCSI --> FireWire  
> >>> devices
> >>> are flaky at best. Might not be the best of all options.
> >>>
> >>> Peace,
> >>> CW
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Aug 7, 2008, at 11:52 AM, Chris Tyrrell wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Kat.
> >>>
> >>> One possibility is to extract the drive from the Performa, drop it
> >>> in an external drive enclosure with USB connectivity, then connect
> >>> the USB drive to the iMac. From there, you can email docs to
> >>> yourself and retrieve the mail on the ThinkPad, or copy them to a
> >>> flash drive which you'd then use to transfer them to the ThinkPad.
> >>>
> >>> The thought of removing the drive from the Performa might sound
> >>> scary, but it's really quite easy, though I don't recall what form
> >>> factor that machine is (some are easier than others). Hard drive
> >>> enclosures are available at computer stores. For instance, Best Buy
> >>> has this one for $50.
> >>> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8774301&st=hard+drive 
> >>> +enclosure&lp=2&type=product&cp=1&id=1204332553274
> >>>
> >>> Later on, put a new, larger, drive in the enclosure and use it with
> >>> the ThinkPad for backups.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Chris
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Aug 7, 2008, at 9:19 AM, starcat@letterboxes.org wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hello from a new member.
> >>>
> >>> I have a Performa 636CD, got it in '94 or '95 and used it through
> >>> 2001
> >>> when I upgraded to a used iMac.  I still have and occasionally use
> >>> the
> >>> iMac and also recently inherited a ThinkPad (I know, I know,
> >>> evil... but
> >>> free).  There are a number of files (mostly Word) on the Performa
> >>> that I
> >>> would like to transfer to one of the other computers, but I'm at a
> >>> complete loss as to how to do this.  The CD drive on the Performa is
> >>> read-only.  Neither the iMac nor the laptop has a floppy drive.  My
> >>> only
> >>> internet access right now is through an air card on the PC (I live in
> >>> the middle of nowhere with no other connection options except dial
> >>> up).
> >>> I do have a dial-up modem for the Performa but no dial-up access.
> >>>
> >>> I am far from a computer expert.  I'm fairly adept at doing what I
> >>> need
> >>> to do, but in terms of anything beyond the basics I'm useless.  I
> >>> don't
> >>> even know whether the files would even be readable at this point -
> >>> some
> >>> of them are 13 years old - but even having unformatted text from
> >>> these
> >>> files would be meaningful.
> >>>
> >>> Purchasing hundreds of dollars worth of stuff to accomplish this
> >>> really
> >>> isn't an option right now, so the cheaper the solution, the better.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks in advance for any suggestions!
> >>>
> >>> kat
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From vlh at herringlaw.com  Fri Aug  8 10:55:01 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Fri Aug  8 11:12:21 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Tiger
Message-ID: <p0624081ac4c21caeee5a@[10.0.1.192]>

anyone know?

>To: president@dmmug.org
>Subject: Tiger
>From: Nick Koenigs <nkoenigs21@yahoo.com>
>Message: Hello-
>I found this website searching for some way to get a copy of Tiger 
>in the Des Moines area and thought you would be able to help.  Do 
>you know of anywhere in Des Moines I could get a copy of it?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Nick Koenigs


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From jlagnese at mac.com  Fri Aug  8 20:47:17 2008
From: jlagnese at mac.com (James Lagnese)
Date: Fri Aug  8 20:47:58 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] The Apple Store
Message-ID: <C4C26155.7DFFD%jlagnese@mac.com>

Has anyone ever gone to apple store and had the experience that they didn?t
want you to buy a computer there? I wanted to buy a Mac Book and I guess
they don?t carry custom configs. Fine, I can live with the 160gb drive, but
$400 to put 4 gigs of memory in, and they keep the 2gb, plus you have to
make an appointment...It was suggested that I buy online. I guess they
didn?t want my money. Amazing. I would have bought an iPod Touch, printer
and back pack as well. Tell you what, may be I will get a ThinkPad with Suse
on it. :)
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From spam at arnequanbeck.com  Fri Aug  8 23:34:34 2008
From: spam at arnequanbeck.com (Arne Quanbeck)
Date: Sat Aug  9 04:16:32 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] The Apple Store
In-Reply-To: <C4C26155.7DFFD%jlagnese@mac.com>
References: <C4C26155.7DFFD%jlagnese@mac.com>
Message-ID: <085D27C6-D7FF-4475-AD07-F32E72076831@arnequanbeck.com>

The appointment appears to be a standard thing. I recently purchased a  
Mac Mini at an Apple Store, and they made me set up an appointment  
even though I was one of about three customers in the store. It's  
probably some sort of performance tracking.

On Aug 8, 2008, at 8:47 PM, James Lagnese wrote:

> Has anyone ever gone to apple store and had the experience that they  
> didn?t want you to buy a computer there? I wanted to buy a Mac Book  
> and I guess they don?t carry custom configs. Fine, I can live with  
> the 160gb drive, but $400 to put 4 gigs of memory in, and they keep  
> the 2gb, plus you have to make an appointment...It was suggested  
> that I buy online. I guess they didn?t want my money. Amazing. I  
> would have bought an iPod Touch, printer and back pack as well. Tell  
> you what, may be I will get a ThinkPad with Suse on it. :)
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From jlagnese at gmail.com  Sat Aug  9 07:08:17 2008
From: jlagnese at gmail.com (jim lagnese)
Date: Sat Aug  9 07:08:52 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] The Apple Store
In-Reply-To: <085D27C6-D7FF-4475-AD07-F32E72076831@arnequanbeck.com>
Message-ID: <C4C2F2E1.7E027%jlagnese@gmail.com>

I don't need to make an appointment...It isn't the doctor or a spa on Rodeo
drive. :) 


//On 8/8/08 11:34 PM, "Arne Quanbeck" <spam@arnequanbeck.com> wrote:

> The appointment appears to be a standard thing. I recently purchased a
> Mac Mini at an Apple Store, and they made me set up an appointment
> even though I was one of about three customers in the store. It's
> probably some sort of performance tracking.
> 
> On Aug 8, 2008, at 8:47 PM, James Lagnese wrote:
> 
>> Has anyone ever gone to apple store and had the experience that they
>> didn?t want you to buy a computer there? I wanted to buy a Mac Book
>> and I guess they don?t carry custom configs. Fine, I can live with
>> the 160gb drive, but $400 to put 4 gigs of memory in, and they keep
>> the 2gb, plus you have to make an appointment...It was suggested
>> that I buy online. I guess they didn?t want my money. Amazing. I
>> would have bought an iPod Touch, printer and back pack as well. Tell
>> you what, may be I will get a ThinkPad with Suse on it. :)
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From jlagnese at mac.com  Sat Aug  9 07:11:58 2008
From: jlagnese at mac.com (James Lagnese)
Date: Sat Aug  9 07:12:29 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] The Apple Store
In-Reply-To: <085D27C6-D7FF-4475-AD07-F32E72076831@arnequanbeck.com>
Message-ID: <C4C2F3BE.7E02B%jlagnese@mac.com>

A guy I work with that used to work at the apple store said that they will
do that if they think you will not buy applecare or mobile me.


//On 8/8/08 11:34 PM, "Arne Quanbeck" <spam@arnequanbeck.com> wrote:

> The appointment appears to be a standard thing. I recently purchased a
> Mac Mini at an Apple Store, and they made me set up an appointment
> even though I was one of about three customers in the store. It's
> probably some sort of performance tracking.
> 
> On Aug 8, 2008, at 8:47 PM, James Lagnese wrote:
> 
>> Has anyone ever gone to apple store and had the experience that they
>> didn?t want you to buy a computer there? I wanted to buy a Mac Book
>> and I guess they don?t carry custom configs. Fine, I can live with
>> the 160gb drive, but $400 to put 4 gigs of memory in, and they keep
>> the 2gb, plus you have to make an appointment...It was suggested
>> that I buy online. I guess they didn?t want my money. Amazing. I
>> would have bought an iPod Touch, printer and back pack as well. Tell
>> you what, may be I will get a ThinkPad with Suse on it. :)
>> _______________________________________________
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From ka_klick at mac.com  Sat Aug  9 11:39:14 2008
From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker)
Date: Sat Aug  9 11:39:40 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] The Apple Store
In-Reply-To: <C4C26155.7DFFD%jlagnese@mac.com>
References: <C4C26155.7DFFD%jlagnese@mac.com>
Message-ID: <2EC22AAF-8BF3-4196-B872-B20850DB09D4@mac.com>

Well, if you didn't know by now that Apple's memory prices are insane,  
I have to wonder where you've been keeping yourself. I always buy  
stock and then upgrade w/ good quality 3rd party RAM anyway. That  
would be true online as well.

Actually they probably wanted the appointment to slot a time for the  
Genius to install the memory. As I said, even in notebooks (iirc) RAM  
has been an officially "User Replaceable Part" for some time now (at  
least it's not the Plus/SE/Classic days when upgrading RAM meant close  
personal encounters w/ flyback transformers).

I'll admit I haven't bought a mac there since I bought my G5, but even  
back then they were pretty limited to the set configs they had on the  
floor, and you either had to have them install upgrades or go online  
for custom stuff.

On Aug 8, 2008, at 8:47 PM, James Lagnese wrote:
> Has anyone ever gone to apple store and had the experience that they  
> didn?t want you to buy a computer there? I wanted to buy a Mac Book  
> and I guess they don?t carry custom configs. Fine, I can live with  
> the 160gb drive, but $400 to put 4 gigs of memory in, and they keep  
> the 2gb, plus you have to make an appointment...It was suggested  
> that I buy online. I guess they didn?t want my money. Amazing. I  
> would have bought an iPod Touch, printer and back pack as well. Tell  
> you what, may be I will get a ThinkPad with Suse on it. :)
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From jlagnese at mac.com  Sat Aug  9 11:50:16 2008
From: jlagnese at mac.com (James Lagnese)
Date: Sat Aug  9 11:50:46 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] The Apple Store
In-Reply-To: <2EC22AAF-8BF3-4196-B872-B20850DB09D4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C4C334F8.7E04D%jlagnese@mac.com>

I just wanted it then. I guess I need patience. When I was at Haddock, we
had different configs in stock, when we had stock. The sales guy tried to
imply that putting in the memory myself would void the warranty. At that
point I was pretty much done. At this point, may be I will get the Linux
laptop. Hardware is all the same today anyway, and while the Mac OS is still
the best, I am finding I don't care nearly as much as I used to and Linux is
nearly up there with Windows, and it's not Windows. If the "Apple
Experience" is what they are trying to sell, they lost me. I hate crowds and
the mall, and when I buy something, generally I know what I want and like to
get it and get out. I guess I am not the "typical" Apple customer. Whatever
system they use to drive revenue, obviously it's inflexible, and can't
appeal to everyone. Oh well.


//On 8/9/08 11:39 AM, "Bryan Baker" <ka_klick@mac.com> wrote:

> Well, if you didn't know by now that Apple's memory prices are insane,
> I have to wonder where you've been keeping yourself. I always buy
> stock and then upgrade w/ good quality 3rd party RAM anyway. That
> would be true online as well.
> 
> Actually they probably wanted the appointment to slot a time for the
> Genius to install the memory. As I said, even in notebooks (iirc) RAM
> has been an officially "User Replaceable Part" for some time now (at
> least it's not the Plus/SE/Classic days when upgrading RAM meant close
> personal encounters w/ flyback transformers).
> 
> I'll admit I haven't bought a mac there since I bought my G5, but even
> back then they were pretty limited to the set configs they had on the
> floor, and you either had to have them install upgrades or go online
> for custom stuff.
> 
> On Aug 8, 2008, at 8:47 PM, James Lagnese wrote:
>> Has anyone ever gone to apple store and had the experience that they
>> didn?t want you to buy a computer there? I wanted to buy a Mac Book
>> and I guess they don?t carry custom configs. Fine, I can live with
>> the 160gb drive, but $400 to put 4 gigs of memory in, and they keep
>> the 2gb, plus you have to make an appointment...It was suggested
>> that I buy online. I guess they didn?t want my money. Amazing. I
>> would have bought an iPod Touch, printer and back pack as well. Tell
>> you what, may be I will get a ThinkPad with Suse on it. :)
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From ka_klick at mac.com  Sat Aug  9 22:08:16 2008
From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker)
Date: Sat Aug  9 22:08:43 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] The Apple Store
In-Reply-To: <C4C334F8.7E04D%jlagnese@mac.com>
References: <C4C334F8.7E04D%jlagnese@mac.com>
Message-ID: <16DF83BD-5AC4-49FE-9BC7-71F6913F06F4@mac.com>

I hate it when people do that (imply stuff like replacing a URP would  
void warranty).

If it's so bad why does Apple have this linked from the main Macbook  
support page:

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1651

I'm certainly not trying to say you're wrong about the way your  
experience went - I was fairly dissatisfied with the way things went  
when dealing w/ my 40gb iPod (4G) - it was originally engraved, as was  
the 2nd one, then by the third time I just wanted to avoid the huge  
turn around for the replacement, so had them just trade it out for a  
plain one.

The stores are not well suited for geeks like us, since they are made  
for hand holding mom & pop. I'll admit lately I've had little to do w/  
them, mostly running in and grabbing the odd software upgrade or  
accessory. My G5 (dual 2.5) is still in pretty good shape, though it's  
getting near the end of it's Applecare. I'll probably keep it going as  
long as I can stand to be non-intel.

They've always been pretty limited to the styles on hand though, and  
have pretty much always deferred any kind of real BTO stuff to Apple  
Online (in my experience), and Apple has never been a bastion of  
choice in hardware options. I'd love a smaller tower w/ more choices  
for vid cards, etc. I really don't need any card slots (1 or 2 besides  
the vid).

On Aug 9, 2008, at 11:50 AM, James Lagnese wrote:
> I just wanted it then. I guess I need patience. When I was at  
> Haddock, we
> had different configs in stock, when we had stock. The sales guy  
> tried to
> imply that putting in the memory myself would void the warranty. At  
> that
> point I was pretty much done. At this point, may be I will get the  
> Linux
> laptop. Hardware is all the same today anyway, and while the Mac OS  
> is still
> the best, I am finding I don't care nearly as much as I used to and  
> Linux is
> nearly up there with Windows, and it's not Windows. If the "Apple
> Experience" is what they are trying to sell, they lost me. I hate  
> crowds and
> the mall, and when I buy something, generally I know what I want and  
> like to
> get it and get out. I guess I am not the "typical" Apple customer.  
> Whatever
> system they use to drive revenue, obviously it's inflexible, and can't
> appeal to everyone. Oh well.
>
>
> //On 8/9/08 11:39 AM, "Bryan Baker" <ka_klick@mac.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, if you didn't know by now that Apple's memory prices are  
>> insane,
>> I have to wonder where you've been keeping yourself. I always buy
>> stock and then upgrade w/ good quality 3rd party RAM anyway. That
>> would be true online as well.
>>
>> Actually they probably wanted the appointment to slot a time for the
>> Genius to install the memory. As I said, even in notebooks (iirc) RAM
>> has been an officially "User Replaceable Part" for some time now (at
>> least it's not the Plus/SE/Classic days when upgrading RAM meant  
>> close
>> personal encounters w/ flyback transformers).
>>
>> I'll admit I haven't bought a mac there since I bought my G5, but  
>> even
>> back then they were pretty limited to the set configs they had on the
>> floor, and you either had to have them install upgrades or go online
>> for custom stuff.
>>
>> On Aug 8, 2008, at 8:47 PM, James Lagnese wrote:
>>> Has anyone ever gone to apple store and had the experience that they
>>> didn?t want you to buy a computer there? I wanted to buy a Mac Book
>>> and I guess they don?t carry custom configs. Fine, I can live with
>>> the 160gb drive, but $400 to put 4 gigs of memory in, and they keep
>>> the 2gb, plus you have to make an appointment...It was suggested
>>> that I buy online. I guess they didn?t want my money. Amazing. I
>>> would have bought an iPod Touch, printer and back pack as well. Tell
>>> you what, may be I will get a ThinkPad with Suse on it. :)
>>> _______________________________________________
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From jlagnese at gmail.com  Sat Aug  9 22:20:33 2008
From: jlagnese at gmail.com (jim lagnese)
Date: Sat Aug  9 22:21:07 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] The Apple Store
In-Reply-To: <16DF83BD-5AC4-49FE-9BC7-71F6913F06F4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C4C3C8B1.7E075%jlagnese@gmail.com>

No matter. I ended up buying it from the online store. I couldn't resist the
iPod Touch and printer free after rebate.


//On 8/9/08 10:08 PM, "Bryan Baker" <ka_klick@mac.com> wrote:

> I hate it when people do that (imply stuff like replacing a URP would
> void warranty).
> 
> If it's so bad why does Apple have this linked from the main Macbook
> support page:
> 
> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1651
> 
> I'm certainly not trying to say you're wrong about the way your
> experience went - I was fairly dissatisfied with the way things went
> when dealing w/ my 40gb iPod (4G) - it was originally engraved, as was
> the 2nd one, then by the third time I just wanted to avoid the huge
> turn around for the replacement, so had them just trade it out for a
> plain one.
> 
> The stores are not well suited for geeks like us, since they are made
> for hand holding mom & pop. I'll admit lately I've had little to do w/
> them, mostly running in and grabbing the odd software upgrade or
> accessory. My G5 (dual 2.5) is still in pretty good shape, though it's
> getting near the end of it's Applecare. I'll probably keep it going as
> long as I can stand to be non-intel.
> 
> They've always been pretty limited to the styles on hand though, and
> have pretty much always deferred any kind of real BTO stuff to Apple
> Online (in my experience), and Apple has never been a bastion of
> choice in hardware options. I'd love a smaller tower w/ more choices
> for vid cards, etc. I really don't need any card slots (1 or 2 besides
> the vid).
> 
> On Aug 9, 2008, at 11:50 AM, James Lagnese wrote:
>> I just wanted it then. I guess I need patience. When I was at
>> Haddock, we
>> had different configs in stock, when we had stock. The sales guy
>> tried to
>> imply that putting in the memory myself would void the warranty. At
>> that
>> point I was pretty much done. At this point, may be I will get the
>> Linux
>> laptop. Hardware is all the same today anyway, and while the Mac OS
>> is still
>> the best, I am finding I don't care nearly as much as I used to and
>> Linux is
>> nearly up there with Windows, and it's not Windows. If the "Apple
>> Experience" is what they are trying to sell, they lost me. I hate
>> crowds and
>> the mall, and when I buy something, generally I know what I want and
>> like to
>> get it and get out. I guess I am not the "typical" Apple customer.
>> Whatever
>> system they use to drive revenue, obviously it's inflexible, and can't
>> appeal to everyone. Oh well.
>> 
>> 
>> //On 8/9/08 11:39 AM, "Bryan Baker" <ka_klick@mac.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Well, if you didn't know by now that Apple's memory prices are
>>> insane,
>>> I have to wonder where you've been keeping yourself. I always buy
>>> stock and then upgrade w/ good quality 3rd party RAM anyway. That
>>> would be true online as well.
>>> 
>>> Actually they probably wanted the appointment to slot a time for the
>>> Genius to install the memory. As I said, even in notebooks (iirc) RAM
>>> has been an officially "User Replaceable Part" for some time now (at
>>> least it's not the Plus/SE/Classic days when upgrading RAM meant
>>> close
>>> personal encounters w/ flyback transformers).
>>> 
>>> I'll admit I haven't bought a mac there since I bought my G5, but
>>> even
>>> back then they were pretty limited to the set configs they had on the
>>> floor, and you either had to have them install upgrades or go online
>>> for custom stuff.
>>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2008, at 8:47 PM, James Lagnese wrote:
>>>> Has anyone ever gone to apple store and had the experience that they
>>>> didn?t want you to buy a computer there? I wanted to buy a Mac Book
>>>> and I guess they don?t carry custom configs. Fine, I can live with
>>>> the 160gb drive, but $400 to put 4 gigs of memory in, and they keep
>>>> the 2gb, plus you have to make an appointment...It was suggested
>>>> that I buy online. I guess they didn?t want my money. Amazing. I
>>>> would have bought an iPod Touch, printer and back pack as well. Tell
>>>> you what, may be I will get a ThinkPad with Suse on it. :)
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From wmbrainiac at mac.com  Sat Aug  9 23:31:04 2008
From: wmbrainiac at mac.com (John Eller)
Date: Sat Aug  9 23:31:29 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] The Apple Store
Message-ID: <E621D44B-29E0-4A81-A077-9AD63A07001B@mac.com>

 >My G5 (dual 2.5) is still in pretty good shape, though it's getting  
near the end of it's Applecare.



just had the logic board blow on an iMac G5 20" two months past  
applecare.

fortunately, they replaced it as though still covered.

From vlh at herringlaw.com  Sun Aug 10 12:58:40 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sun Aug 10 13:06:02 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Networking and Slower than Molassas
In-Reply-To: <p06240828c4b79c5cb821@[192.168.2.4]>
References: <p06240828c4b79c5cb821@[192.168.2.4]>
Message-ID: <p06240854c4c4dc0dc6fc@[10.0.1.192]>

by the way, I decided to bite the bullet and got a Time Capsule [was 
able to retire one harddrive I was backing up to...and could actually 
also do that with another, and may well.  In any event, I continued 
to have networking problems and this past Friday called Mediacom for 
the third time - the guy did some checking and said that what he saw 
was that I was getting intermittent signal strength = the signal from 
Mediacom to my house was not always as strong as it should be = so 
there's a guy coming Monday to fix things - so I may not have needed 
the Time Capsule but it's working well otherwise so now I need to see 
about either selling the Belkin Router [nWireless] or using it in 
some other fashion.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From vlh at herringlaw.com  Wed Aug 13 18:37:07 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Wed Aug 13 18:37:43 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Networking and access to Lexmark Printer on Ethernet
	network
Message-ID: <p06240862c4c91e71f508@[10.0.1.192]>

I have called and talked to Apple support and Lexmark support [on 
phone with each 1-2 hours and tech shooting it] and read discussions 
and googled and now have a Q here if anyone can answer - all machines 
have been powered down and back up, new 5e cable, all machines work 
fine other than in this one thing.

Before I got a Time Capsule [Friday], I needed to and could put the 
Lexmark Printer's IP address in the browser and a 
configuration/report page would come up just fine [on all computers, 
with a couple of different routers].  I now have a TC.  I cannot do 
this via TC.  TC works great otherwise.  It's doing a TimeMachine 
backup of a drive, it is fine on the network, all computers see each 
other etc.  Wireless is fine.  The only problem, but an important 
one, is that I cannot access the Lexmark config/setup page via 
browser.

Appletalk printing is fine.  I do not have the printer via USB;  it's 
set up as an ethernet IP printer and it has worked as that in the 
past [Belkin router].  I have pinged and it says "no route to 
host/host is down";  I have tried printing and with one IP address it 
said "Connecting to 10.0.1.25 on port 631...no connection" and I 
manually reset the IP address to 10.0.1.100 and it says it is 
connecting but it's not printing.  The routing table says:  the #25 
is old IP address an dthe #100 is the new one.  How can I access my 
printer via the IP address so I can pull up the config/setup page, as 
I could do with other routers and computers just fine.

Internet:
Destination        Gateway            Flags    Refs      Use  Netif Expire
default            10.0.1.1           UGSc       12       20    en0
10.0.1/24          link#4             UCS         8        0    en0
10.0.1.1          [this is the TC]    UHLW       11      179    en0   1006
10.0.1.25          link#4             UHLW        0        3    en0
10.0.1.100         link#4             UHRLW       0       46    en0      2

-- 
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Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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From jonsharyl at prairieinet.net  Wed Aug 13 20:45:19 2008
From: jonsharyl at prairieinet.net (Jon Engelhardt)
Date: Wed Aug 13 20:45:46 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Changing carriers?
Message-ID: <213D5F1E-20A6-4762-B6CD-FC63DCC472D2@prairieinet.net>

I have had prairieinet for the last several years as that was our  
best and only option besides AOL which we started out with (we live  
in the country).  We have had the Qwest option for the last two years  
but I have been happy with p-inet, excellent customer service and  
it's rare when I haven't had service.  We pay $50 a month for p-inet  
and I was noticing Qwest's prices were significantly lower.  Any  
thought's?  Both line speeds appear to be about the same -- 900  
kbs.   It looks like I would need to rent or buy a modem if I change,  
not sure what to think at this point.

Thanks for your help.

Jon
From newz at bearfruit.org  Wed Aug 13 21:24:30 2008
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Wed Aug 13 21:24:53 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Changing carriers?
In-Reply-To: <213D5F1E-20A6-4762-B6CD-FC63DCC472D2@prairieinet.net>
References: <213D5F1E-20A6-4762-B6CD-FC63DCC472D2@prairieinet.net>
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080808131924g1354092m6ab7155e273209a2@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 8:45 PM, Jon Engelhardt
<jonsharyl@prairieinet.net> wrote:
> It looks like I would need to rent or buy a
> modem if I change, not sure what to think at this point.

If you decide to switch to qwest go to best buy to sign up. They'll
give you a free modem and maybe something else too (I got $100 off of
an mp3 player in addition to the modem). Its a better deal than
signing up with qwest directly where you have to buy your own modem.

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode
From mghood1 at mchsi.com  Wed Aug 13 23:19:16 2008
From: mghood1 at mchsi.com (Martin Hood)
Date: Wed Aug 13 23:19:39 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Apple phone VS Blackberry Curve
Message-ID: <C4C91C74.1E6B%mghood1@mchsi.com>

My wife and I are both Mac users for many years and are in the market for
two new cell phones. We have been considering the Iphone and the Blackberry
Curve. After having several Motorola?s and Palms I have found that nothing
beats using one. I would appreciate anyone's opinion as to what they think
is the better phone for us. Syncing, phone quality ( I have a slight hearing
loss and a hearing aid is in the future) camera, addr book, calendar are the
most important to me. I am turned off by the lack of access to the battery
and memory. I would appreciate hearing someone else's opinions.


Martin Gary Hood
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From vlh at herringlaw.com  Thu Aug 14 04:29:25 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu Aug 14 04:31:55 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Apple phone VS Blackberry Curve
In-Reply-To: <C4C91C74.1E6B%mghood1@mchsi.com>
References: <C4C91C74.1E6B%mghood1@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <p0624086bc4c9aaacd294@[10.0.1.192]>

If you get an iPhone you do have 14 days to return it so that may 
allow you to see if it works given your hearing issue.  I have an 
iPhone [origiinal with updated software = 3G isn't out til late this 
year here] and love it =  esp. now that there are all those 
applications you can put on it [I've so far confined myself to the 
free ones].  It's sort of a small computer = carries my addressbook, 
iCal, syncs with my computer and with MobileMe and the camera, while 
not perfect will do in a pinch.  I can't comment on the Curve.  There 
are some issues with ATT reception/signal but it's not constant and 
I'm working thru them.
-- 
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Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
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From jerry.heiselman at gmail.com  Wed Aug 13 23:37:30 2008
From: jerry.heiselman at gmail.com (Jerry Heiselman)
Date: Thu Aug 14 07:30:28 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Apple phone VS Blackberry Curve
In-Reply-To: <C4C91C74.1E6B%mghood1@mchsi.com>
References: <C4C91C74.1E6B%mghood1@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <1b50b4ed0808132137i215e6791ofe50b2d5076375b4@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 11:19 PM, Martin Hood <mghood1@mchsi.com> wrote:

>  My wife and I are both Mac users for many years and are in the market for
> two new cell phones. We have been considering the Iphone and the Blackberry
> Curve. After having several Motorola's and Palms I have found that nothing
> beats using one. I would appreciate anyone's opinion as to what they think
> is the better phone for us. Syncing, phone quality ( I have a slight hearing
> loss and a hearing aid is in the future) camera, addr book, calendar are the
> most important to me. I am turned off by the lack of access to the battery
> and memory. I would appreciate hearing someone else's opinions.
>
>
> Martin Gary Hood
>
> _______________________________________________
>
>
I have a Blackberry and have tried countless times to get it to sync
properly with my Mac (10.4 and 10.5) and always had problems with it.  The
calendar often gets duplicate entries and my contacts never seem to update
properly (seems to be a problem mapping fields between the address books).
RIM's Mac support has been outsourced to the PocketMac folks and they just
don't seem to get it.

There is another syncing tool called Missing Sync that some people have said
is better, but I have yet to try it myself.

I haven't tried an iPhone yet, but every I know that has one loves it.

Anyway, just thought I would throw in my experiences with the Blackberry on
the Mac.

For what it's worth, I plan on waiting to see if HTC actually comes out with
an Android based phone by year end like they said they would.  For those
that don't know, Android is the mobile phone OS that Google has written and
it looks very promising (see http://code.google.com/android).


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From cwsmith7 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 14 10:43:15 2008
From: cwsmith7 at gmail.com (CW Smith)
Date: Thu Aug 14 10:44:05 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Networking and access to Lexmark Printer on Ethernet
	network
In-Reply-To: <p06240862c4c91e71f508@[10.0.1.192]>
References: <p06240862c4c91e71f508@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <1F367674-7186-4CDF-B16C-F8D36F2A1988@gmail.com>

Seems like an obvious question, Victoria, but have you powered the  
Lexmark off, then on again?

Peace,
CW


On Aug 13, 2008, at 6:37 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> I have called and talked to Apple support and Lexmark support [on  
> phone with each 1-2 hours and tech shooting it] and read discussions  
> and googled and now have a Q here if anyone can answer - all  
> machines have been powered down and back up, new 5e cable, all  
> machines work fine other than in this one thing.
>
> Before I got a Time Capsule [Friday], I needed to and could put the  
> Lexmark Printer's IP address in the browser and a configuration/ 
> report page would come up just fine [on all computers, with a couple  
> of different routers].  I now have a TC.  I cannot do this via TC.   
> TC works great otherwise.  It's doing a TimeMachine backup of a  
> drive, it is fine on the network, all computers see each other etc.   
> Wireless is fine.  The only problem, but an important one, is that I  
> cannot access the Lexmark config/setup page via browser.
>
> Appletalk printing is fine.  I do not have the printer via USB;   
> it's set up as an ethernet IP printer and it has worked as that in  
> the past [Belkin router].  I have pinged and it says "no route to  
> host/host is down";  I have tried printing and with one IP address  
> it said "Connecting to 10.0.1.25 on port 631...no connection" and I  
> manually reset the IP address to 10.0.1.100 and it says it is  
> connecting but it's not printing.  The routing table says:  the #25  
> is old IP address an dthe #100 is the new one.  How can I access my  
> printer via the IP address so I can pull up the config/setup page,  
> as I could do with other routers and computers just fine.
>
> Internet:
> Destination        Gateway            Flags    Refs      Use  Netif  
> Expire
> default            10.0.1.1           UGSc       12       20    en0
> 10.0.1/24          link#4             UCS         8        0    en0
> 10.0.1.1          [this is the TC]    UHLW       11      179     
> en0   1006
> 10.0.1.25          link#4             UHLW        0        3    en0
> 10.0.1.100         link#4             UHRLW       0       46     
> en0      2
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights,   
> Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph.  
> 515/255-4475;  iChat AV: victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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From vlh at herringlaw.com  Thu Aug 14 10:51:04 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu Aug 14 10:51:41 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Networking and access to Lexmark Printer on Ethernet
	network
In-Reply-To: <1F367674-7186-4CDF-B16C-F8D36F2A1988@gmail.com>
References: <p06240862c4c91e71f508@[10.0.1.192]>
	<1F367674-7186-4CDF-B16C-F8D36F2A1988@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06240897c4ca04b4ec35@[10.0.1.192]>

>Seems like an obvious question, Victoria, but have you powered the 
>Lexmark off, then on again?

Powered off, on several times = same with TC and all computers;  new 
cable from computer to TC;  Lexmark guy had me even go back to 
factory default and reset NVRAM in the printer and then enter manual 
IP address....still no go
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From wmbrainiac at mac.com  Thu Aug 14 11:21:29 2008
From: wmbrainiac at mac.com (John Eller)
Date: Thu Aug 14 11:22:06 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Networking and access to Lexmark Printer on Ethernet
	network
In-Reply-To: <p06240897c4ca04b4ec35@[10.0.1.192]>
References: <p06240862c4c91e71f508@[10.0.1.192]>
	<1F367674-7186-4CDF-B16C-F8D36F2A1988@gmail.com>
	<p06240897c4ca04b4ec35@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <55363DED-DF4A-4B73-8F57-5807D7405A2C@mac.com>

sorry for this, but

the nuns at the private elementary school i attended once answered a  
question about how water becomes electricity in hydroelectric power by  
saying that it was a mystery of god.

perhaps it's time to bring theology into the printer issue.  ;  )

best of luck.  it's clear from your posts that you don't give up easily.





On Aug 14, 2008, at 10:51 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> Seems like an obvious question, Victoria, but have you powered the  
> Lexmark off, then on again?

Powered off, on several times = same with TC and all computers;  new  
cable from computer to TC;  Lexmark guy had me even go back to factory  
default and reset NVRAM in the printer and then enter manual IP  
address....still no go
-- 
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Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph.  
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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From jrearick at bobbis.net  Thu Aug 14 11:21:45 2008
From: jrearick at bobbis.net (John Rearick)
Date: Thu Aug 14 11:22:10 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Networking and access to Lexmark Printer on Ethernet
	network
In-Reply-To: <p06240897c4ca04b4ec35@[10.0.1.192]>
References: <p06240862c4c91e71f508@[10.0.1.192]>
	<1F367674-7186-4CDF-B16C-F8D36F2A1988@gmail.com>
	<p06240897c4ca04b4ec35@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <575B5BD0-9C27-4787-B35D-15D58F4EA719@bobbis.net>

Have you tried using different ports on the TC for the printer? Have  
you tried connecting directly to the printer without the TC in  
between?  Does it not work on just one computer or all computers?  Do  
you have a firewall running on your computer that may be blocking TCP/ 
IP to the printer?  What model of Lexmark printer do you have?

John

It's quite a challenge to troubleshoot after both Lexmark and Apple  
tech support have been tried.
On Aug 14, 2008, at 10:51 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

>> Seems like an obvious question, Victoria, but have you powered the  
>> Lexmark off, then on again?
>
> Powered off, on several times = same with TC and all computers;  new  
> cable from computer to TC;  Lexmark guy had me even go back to  
> factory default and reset NVRAM in the printer and then enter manual  
> IP address....still no go
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights,  
> Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph.  
> 515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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From vlh at herringlaw.com  Thu Aug 14 11:33:12 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu Aug 14 11:34:39 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Networking and access to Lexmark Printer on Ethernet
	network
In-Reply-To: <575B5BD0-9C27-4787-B35D-15D58F4EA719@bobbis.net>
References: <p06240862c4c91e71f508@[10.0.1.192]>
	<1F367674-7186-4CDF-B16C-F8D36F2A1988@gmail.com>
	<p06240897c4ca04b4ec35@[10.0.1.192]>
	<575B5BD0-9C27-4787-B35D-15D58F4EA719@bobbis.net>
Message-ID: <p0624089fc4ca0e5d2fcf@[10.0.1.192]>

>Have you tried using different ports on the TC for the printer? Have 
>you tried connecting directly to the printer without the TC in 
>between?  Does it not work on just one computer or all computers? 
>Do you have a firewall running on your computer that may be blocking 
>TCP/IP to the printer?  What model of Lexmark printer do you have?

Yes, have moved cables around.  This is ethernet from TC to a Belkin 
hub to Printer.  All printing is fine.
I can print via Appletalk
I cannot access the manually set IP address for the printer , whether 
to print or get the page I need.
i'll check but doubt the firewall but can't hurt
Lexmark T620 and Optra Image fax
-- 
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Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From vlh at herringlaw.com  Thu Aug 14 11:34:02 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu Aug 14 11:34:39 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Networking and access to Lexmark Printer on Ethernet
	network
In-Reply-To: <55363DED-DF4A-4B73-8F57-5807D7405A2C@mac.com>
References: <p06240862c4c91e71f508@[10.0.1.192]>
	<1F367674-7186-4CDF-B16C-F8D36F2A1988@gmail.com>
	<p06240897c4ca04b4ec35@[10.0.1.192]>
	<55363DED-DF4A-4B73-8F57-5807D7405A2C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p062408a0c4ca0ed74c6d@[10.0.1.192]>

I love the answer 'mystery of god' - I am giving serious thought to 
getting a newer printer if I can sell this = it's a workhorse and has 
been a good printer but this has consumed too much time for me
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From thiessenstuart at aol.com  Thu Aug 14 11:51:49 2008
From: thiessenstuart at aol.com (Stuart Thiessen)
Date: Thu Aug 14 11:52:19 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Networking and access to Lexmark Printer on Ethernet
	network
In-Reply-To: <p062408a0c4ca0ed74c6d@[10.0.1.192]>
References: <p06240862c4c91e71f508@[10.0.1.192]>
	<1F367674-7186-4CDF-B16C-F8D36F2A1988@gmail.com>
	<p06240897c4ca04b4ec35@[10.0.1.192]>
	<55363DED-DF4A-4B73-8F57-5807D7405A2C@mac.com>
	<p062408a0c4ca0ed74c6d@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <BB7793C2-13FE-41D8-A23D-0BF7B410A06B@aol.com>

A thought ... I have never had much success with connecting to a  
printer that has wireless. My success has been greater when the  
printer is wired to the router or access point.

If you go for a different printer, I recommend Brother. I have never  
had IP connection issues with a brother printer. I use a multi- 
function Brother inkjet printer at home and used a laser multifunction  
Brother printer at my former place of employment. I do have an HP  
inkjet that can do wireless, but I have more success connecting when  
it is wired.

Thanks,

Stuart

On Aug 14, 2008, at 11:34 , Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> I love the answer 'mystery of god' - I am giving serious thought to  
> getting a newer printer if I can sell this = it's a workhorse and  
> has been a good printer but this has consumed too much time for me
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights,  
> Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph.  
> 515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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From ka_klick at mac.com  Thu Aug 14 12:02:44 2008
From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker)
Date: Thu Aug 14 12:03:09 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Networking and access to Lexmark Printer on Ethernet
	network
In-Reply-To: <p06240862c4c91e71f508@[10.0.1.192]>
References: <p06240862c4c91e71f508@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <8EA2E792-39DA-46FB-A122-C4B3589FB873@mac.com>

Are you sure you're still on the same network there?
Most routers dhcp setups ship w/ 192.168.0.* networks, not 10.*  
networks.
What is the IP on your mac? If it's a 192.168 address your are trying  
to get to a non-routable network from another non-routable network.

not sure where you got the dump below from, so I just wanted to bring  
this up as the place I'd look first. If you can't ping it, it's not on  
your network (in some way).

On Aug 13, 2008, at 6:37 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
> I have called and talked to Apple support and Lexmark support [on  
> phone with each 1-2 hours and tech shooting it] and read discussions  
> and googled and now have a Q here if anyone can answer - all  
> machines have been powered down and back up, new 5e cable, all  
> machines work fine other than in this one thing.
>
> Before I got a Time Capsule [Friday], I needed to and could put the  
> Lexmark Printer's IP address in the browser and a configuration/ 
> report page would come up just fine [on all computers, with a couple  
> of different routers].  I now have a TC.  I cannot do this via TC.   
> TC works great otherwise.  It's doing a TimeMachine backup of a  
> drive, it is fine on the network, all computers see each other etc.   
> Wireless is fine.  The only problem, but an important one, is that I  
> cannot access the Lexmark config/setup page via browser.
>
> Appletalk printing is fine.  I do not have the printer via USB;   
> it's set up as an ethernet IP printer and it has worked as that in  
> the past [Belkin router].  I have pinged and it says "no route to  
> host/host is down";  I have tried printing and with one IP address  
> it said "Connecting to 10.0.1.25 on port 631...no connection" and I  
> manually reset the IP address to 10.0.1.100 and it says it is  
> connecting but it's not printing.  The routing table says:  the #25  
> is old IP address an dthe #100 is the new one.  How can I access my  
> printer via the IP address so I can pull up the config/setup page,  
> as I could do with other routers and computers just fine.
>
> Internet:
> Destination        Gateway            Flags    Refs      Use  Netif  
> Expire
> default            10.0.1.1           UGSc       12       20    en0
> 10.0.1/24          link#4             UCS         8        0    en0
> 10.0.1.1          [this is the TC]    UHLW       11      179     
> en0   1006
> 10.0.1.25          link#4             UHLW        0        3    en0
> 10.0.1.100         link#4             UHRLW       0       46     
> en0      2
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights,   
> Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph.  
> 515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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From vlh at herringlaw.com  Thu Aug 14 12:14:05 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu Aug 14 12:15:29 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Networking and access to Lexmark Printer on Ethernet
	network
In-Reply-To: <8EA2E792-39DA-46FB-A122-C4B3589FB873@mac.com>
References: <p06240862c4c91e71f508@[10.0.1.192]>
	<8EA2E792-39DA-46FB-A122-C4B3589FB873@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p062408aac4ca17a95daa@[10.0.1.192]>

the TC router is 10+++ [Apple tends to use 10+++ in my experience]
the computer is 10+++ and within the range
the manual IP for the printer is 10+++ and within the range
all is wired, no wireless
I can print just fine via Appletalk.  I have internet just fine.

and I hear Brothers are excellent machines and may just do that...but 
this is odd and I would like to solve it and save the $$ buying a new 
printer
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From vlh at herringlaw.com  Thu Aug 14 12:40:02 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu Aug 14 12:40:35 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Networking and access to Lexmark Printer on Ethernet
	network
In-Reply-To: <p062408aac4ca17a95daa@[10.0.1.192]>
References: <p06240862c4c91e71f508@[10.0.1.192]>
	<8EA2E792-39DA-46FB-A122-C4B3589FB873@mac.com>
	<p062408aac4ca17a95daa@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <p062408b1c4ca1e65f191@[10.0.1.192]>

Just received the following from Lexmark

Dear Victoria,

Here is your Service Request # 1-1046500401

Thank you for contacting Lexmark email support.

In reply to your email, I am sorry to say but Time capsules are not 
supported by Lexmark printers.      

Lexmark does not recommend to install any time capsule. You may 
connect an Airport Extreme.







-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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From cwsmith7 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 14 13:05:22 2008
From: cwsmith7 at gmail.com (CW Smith)
Date: Thu Aug 14 13:05:54 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Networking and access to Lexmark Printer on Ethernet
	network
In-Reply-To: <p062408b1c4ca1e65f191@[10.0.1.192]>
References: <p06240862c4c91e71f508@[10.0.1.192]>
	<8EA2E792-39DA-46FB-A122-C4B3589FB873@mac.com>
	<p062408aac4ca17a95daa@[10.0.1.192]>
	<p062408b1c4ca1e65f191@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <A6A1E8BF-0CE9-462B-B86D-AB7B5D3043A3@gmail.com>

A Time Capsule ?is? an Airport Extreme, with a hard drive built in. If  
AP Extreme is supported, why not Time Capsule?

Peace,
CW

On Aug 14, 2008, at 12:40 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> Just received the following from Lexmark
>
> Dear Victoria,
>
> Here is your Service Request # 1-1046500401
>
> Thank you for contacting Lexmark email support.
>
> In reply to your email, I am sorry to say but Time capsules are not  
> supported by Lexmark printers.
>
> Lexmark does not recommend to install any time capsule. You may  
> connect an Airport Extreme.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights,   
> Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph.  
> 515/255-4475;  iChat AV: victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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From vlh at herringlaw.com  Thu Aug 14 13:29:08 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu Aug 14 13:49:27 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Networking and access to Lexmark Printer on Ethernet
	network
In-Reply-To: <A6A1E8BF-0CE9-462B-B86D-AB7B5D3043A3@gmail.com>
References: <p06240862c4c91e71f508@[10.0.1.192]>
	<8EA2E792-39DA-46FB-A122-C4B3589FB873@mac.com>
	<p062408aac4ca17a95daa@[10.0.1.192]>	<p062408b1c4ca1e65f191@[10.0.1.192]>
	<A6A1E8BF-0CE9-462B-B86D-AB7B5D3043A3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p062408bac4ca29718870@[10.0.1.192]>

I'm going to chuck the Lexmark and update/upgrade...it's a good solid 
printer, and if anyone is interested in purchasing it let me know. 
Appletalk works great.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From wmbrainiac at mac.com  Thu Aug 14 14:24:57 2008
From: wmbrainiac at mac.com (John Eller)
Date: Thu Aug 14 14:25:33 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Networking and access to Lexmark Printer on Ethernet
	network
In-Reply-To: <p062408b1c4ca1e65f191@[10.0.1.192]>
References: <p06240862c4c91e71f508@[10.0.1.192]>
	<8EA2E792-39DA-46FB-A122-C4B3589FB873@mac.com>
	<p062408aac4ca17a95daa@[10.0.1.192]>
	<p062408b1c4ca1e65f191@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <1D03E10D-01F6-4F6C-815D-74F8326E5F12@mac.com>


On Aug 14, 2008, at 12:40 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

In reply to your email, I am sorry to say but Time capsules are not  
supported by Lexmark printers.
Lexmark does not recommend to install any time capsule. You may  
connect an Airport Extreme.



FWIW

a sibling just bought a new hp laptop with vista and a top-of-the-line  
canon film scanner.
ooops. according to some, a vista driver for the device could be a  
year off...
hope someone picks up your printer.
you'll have to add a warning to apple discussion boards where printers  
are mentioned.

From vlh at herringlaw.com  Thu Aug 14 21:16:35 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu Aug 14 21:22:22 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Printer to get = HP, Brother, other?
Message-ID: <p062408e3c4ca972f40ab@[10.0.1.192]>

to run ethernet [wireless okay but not really wanted], monochrome 
laser fine, must receive and send faxes and send to computers, 
basically a good solid printer = looking at ones at the Apple Store 
and there are both Brother and HP there, so am not certain which 
might be best.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net  Thu Aug 14 21:34:58 2008
From: homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net (Sharalyn)
Date: Thu Aug 14 21:35:24 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Printer to get = HP, Brother, other?
In-Reply-To: <p062408e3c4ca972f40ab@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <C4CA5582.45C3%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>

I have a Brother all-in-one B&W DCP 8065 DN laser printer bought 2 years
ago, and run it wireless. Its not been heavily used but I've been very happy
with it through at least several hundred copies. It does print lighter than
I like but the ink is even and sharp. Customer service has been generous and
outstanding. The extensive research I did at the time convinced me that
Cannon was the first choice, but as it is (wasn't) available for Mac, the
Brother was a clear second choice. One thing I especially like about it is
that is built solid, no cheapie, flimsy parts.

Sharalyn


On 8/14/08 9:16 PM, "Victoria L. Herring" <vlh@herringlaw.com> wrote:

> to run ethernet [wireless okay but not really wanted], monochrome
> laser fine, must receive and send faxes and send to computers,
> basically a good solid printer = looking at ones at the Apple Store
> and there are both Brother and HP there, so am not certain which
> might be best.


From vlh at herringlaw.com  Fri Aug 15 17:55:25 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Fri Aug 15 18:00:26 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Printer to get = HP, Brother, other?
In-Reply-To: <C4CA5582.45C3%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>
References: <C4CA5582.45C3%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>
Message-ID: <p06240832c4cbb9413c76@[10.0.1.192]>

Thanks for the suggestion, Sharalyn.

What I do want, if possible, is to be able to use the copier/printer 
on my network, and to fax from my computer or to my computer via its 
fax modem.  As it stands now, I could get PageSender and a modem for 
my computer but if this machine will do that, then I can just use 
that.  Does anyone know whether any HP or Brother printer/copy/fax 
multifunctions can receive faxes and send to the computer and can be 
sent faxes to send out???  [Reading one of Brother's manuals, it 
looks like it's possible, but I keep seeing all sorts of Windows only 
discussions...and have Leopard, obviously.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From vlh at herringlaw.com  Sat Aug 16 10:42:20 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sat Aug 16 10:50:02 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] This almost has me convinced and note the Letterbox plug
	in too
Message-ID: <p06240802c4cca5bda8f1@[10.0.1.192]>

>
>On Aug 16, 2008, at 11:06 AM, John Schedler wrote:
>
>>  Interesting piece on moving to Apple Mail from Eudora:
>>
>> 
>><<http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bin/PrintStory.pl?document_id=2008117502&zsection_id=2003907475&slug=ptmacc16&date=20080816>http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bin/PrintStory.pl?document_id=2008117502&zsection_id=2003907475&slug=ptmacc16&date=20080816
>>  >
>>
>>  I did not know that lug-ins are available for Apple Mail. Does
>>  anybody have any experience or examples they like?
>
>I use Letterbox, which takes advantage of the widescreen on my MBP.
>It allows you to have the mail message preview pane to the right of
>the folder and message lists. It's free.
>
><http://harnly.net/software/letterbox/>http://harnly.net/software/letterbox/
>
>--
>Dave Markowitz, KB3MNK

-- 
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From vlh at herringlaw.com  Sat Aug 16 11:12:01 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sat Aug 16 11:20:43 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Extreme, Express and Tiime Capsule
Message-ID: <p06240808c4ccac9643d1@[10.0.1.192]>

I thought TC was supposed to be an Airport Extreme with a harddrive 
inside...but saw this on a blog post

	*
The Extreme allocates 192. IP addresses  and the Express 10. IP addresses.

is that true??  If so then do I have an Express inside my TC or what???
-- 
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From jrearick at bobbis.net  Sat Aug 16 13:01:47 2008
From: jrearick at bobbis.net (John Rearick)
Date: Sat Aug 16 13:02:18 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Extreme, Express and Tiime Capsule
In-Reply-To: <p06240808c4ccac9643d1@[10.0.1.192]>
References: <p06240808c4ccac9643d1@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <B868EEAF-DF48-47FC-87C1-6466191B0DA4@bobbis.net>

Another thing to try is to change the time capsule to use the  
192.168.x.x network is the printer is having issues with 10.10.x.x

John

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 16, 2008, at 11:12 AM, "Victoria L. Herring"  
<vlh@herringlaw.com> wrote:

> I thought TC was supposed to be an Airport Extreme with a harddrive  
> inside...but saw this on a blog post
>
>         *
> The Extreme allocates 192. IP addresses  and the Express 10. IP  
> addresses.
>
> is that true??  If so then do I have an Express inside my TC or  
> what???
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights,   
> Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 515/255-4475 
> ;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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From vlh at herringlaw.com  Sat Aug 16 13:23:35 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sat Aug 16 13:24:04 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Extreme, Express and Tiime Capsule
In-Reply-To: <B868EEAF-DF48-47FC-87C1-6466191B0DA4@bobbis.net>
References: <p06240808c4ccac9643d1@[10.0.1.192]>
	<B868EEAF-DF48-47FC-87C1-6466191B0DA4@bobbis.net>
Message-ID: <p06240815c4cccb9286dc@[10.0.1.192]>

Thanks John, I didn't knnow you could do that == I thought the TC 
#10+ was the one that had to be used...
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Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From ka_klick at mac.com  Sat Aug 16 15:50:05 2008
From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker)
Date: Sat Aug 16 15:50:30 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Extreme, Express and Tiime Capsule
In-Reply-To: <p06240815c4cccb9286dc@[10.0.1.192]>
References: <p06240808c4ccac9643d1@[10.0.1.192]>
	<B868EEAF-DF48-47FC-87C1-6466191B0DA4@bobbis.net>
	<p06240815c4cccb9286dc@[10.0.1.192]>
Message-ID: <898F307B-545D-453F-A938-1FE02FEC35A9@mac.com>

all of that stuff should be configurable.
I don't have any of the Apple router gear so not from experience, but  
if it's not config'able I wouldn't buy it. Very basic functionality.

On Aug 16, 2008, at 1:23 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
> Thanks John, I didn't knnow you could do that == I thought the TC  
> #10+ was the one that had to be used...
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights,  
> Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph.  
> 515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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From vlh at herringlaw.com  Sat Aug 16 16:00:02 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sat Aug 16 16:00:29 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Extreme, Express and Tiime Capsule
In-Reply-To: <898F307B-545D-453F-A938-1FE02FEC35A9@mac.com>
References: <p06240808c4ccac9643d1@[10.0.1.192]>
	<B868EEAF-DF48-47FC-87C1-6466191B0DA4@bobbis.net>
	<p06240815c4cccb9286dc@[10.0.1.192]>
	<898F307B-545D-453F-A938-1FE02FEC35A9@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p06240820c4ccf00210f1@[10.0.1.192]>

Thanks, the networks working, I already bought it [thanks, CW] and I 
probably just need to get a newer and better printer because there is 
some fax capability that I would like to have that I don't now...if I 
need to configure [as I am sure you can do, just not sure how =but 
bet it's in Airport Utility] = I can do it...I just need to move on 
and it was odd to see that blog posting.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net  Sun Aug 24 10:49:57 2008
From: homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net (Sharalyn)
Date: Sun Aug 24 10:50:23 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Wireless mouse flaking out
Message-ID: <C4D6ED55.48D1%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>

I've used an older model wireless mouse I bought from someone on this group
successfully ever since I got it several months ago, but it started
disconnecting a lot and now finally, it won't connect at all. The light
comes on but it won't connect.

I cleaned it, changed batteries, tried reconnecting through System
Preferences, and cussing at it, but nothing seems to work. I went to Apple
Support on line and saw where many people have reported the same experience
but no one seemed to have any answers. Do any of you?

Thanks,
Sharalyn


From thorgrim at imaginarytower.org  Mon Aug 25 10:10:32 2008
From: thorgrim at imaginarytower.org (David McLaughlin)
Date: Mon Aug 25 10:11:01 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Presentation on 08/26/2008
Message-ID: <BBE0DDF5-B416-4EF4-8A77-9011464BC832@imaginarytower.org>

I'm finishing up the touches on my RapidWeaver presentation for  
08/26/2008.

Will there be someone there that will have a laptop I can use for the  
talk?

I will need to install a couple of pieces of software which I will  
remove when I'm finished.

David D. McLaughlin
webmaster@dmmug.org
From cwsmith7 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 25 10:35:27 2008
From: cwsmith7 at gmail.com (CW Smith)
Date: Mon Aug 25 10:35:59 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Presentation on 08/26/2008
In-Reply-To: <BBE0DDF5-B416-4EF4-8A77-9011464BC832@imaginarytower.org>
References: <BBE0DDF5-B416-4EF4-8A77-9011464BC832@imaginarytower.org>
Message-ID: <409F1161-4954-491F-8AD1-12228E39A5AA@gmail.com>

Dave:

You could use my MacBook if you like.

Peace,
CW


On Aug 25, 2008, at 10:10 AM, David McLaughlin wrote:

> I'm finishing up the touches on my RapidWeaver presentation for  
> 08/26/2008.
>
> Will there be someone there that will have a laptop I can use for  
> the talk?
>
> I will need to install a couple of pieces of software which I will  
> remove when I'm finished.
>
> David D. McLaughlin
> webmaster@dmmug.org
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> DMMUG@dmmug.org
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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Tue Aug 26 10:40:41 2008
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Tue Aug 26 10:41:04 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] tonight's meeting--buiding a web page.
Message-ID: <D2350981-1D37-49D8-AC19-C24069CA0AD3@mchsi.com>

t tonight's meeting David will demonstrate Web Design using the tools  
which he uses to build and maintain the DMMUG site. I will be missing  
this one.

Next month Bailey Ford will talk to us about scanning tips.


Ray Bowler

rbowler.home.mchsi.com



From ka_klick at mac.com  Tue Aug 26 22:13:10 2008
From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker)
Date: Tue Aug 26 22:13:48 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Email address obfuscater for websites
Message-ID: <0993749D-A53C-4DD2-AA0B-563F73860ADF@mac.com>

I mentioned this at the meeting but couldn't recall the name:

Enkoder

http://hivelogic.com/enkoder/app

--
Bryan "ka-klick" Baker
Singer/Songwriter
With 2 New CDs!!! See my website for details
ka-klick@ka-klick.com
http://ka-klick.com


From hfwelch at mac.com  Tue Aug 26 22:22:04 2008
From: hfwelch at mac.com (Holly Welch)
Date: Tue Aug 26 22:22:45 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Email address obfuscater for websites
In-Reply-To: <0993749D-A53C-4DD2-AA0B-563F73860ADF@mac.com>
References: <0993749D-A53C-4DD2-AA0B-563F73860ADF@mac.com>
Message-ID: <78E81F1B-87C8-4EC3-8FE6-B7B73814BF93@mac.com>

Thanks, Bryan,
And now I even know a new word... obfuscater. Wonder if that will be  
on the Spelling Bee list this year!

And thanks, Dave, for showing us around Rapidweaver. I plan to play  
with the demo!

Holly
On Aug 26, 2008, at 10:13 PM, Bryan Baker wrote:

> I mentioned this at the meeting but couldn't recall the name:
>
> Enkoder
>
> http://hivelogic.com/enkoder/app
>
> --
> Bryan "ka-klick" Baker
> Singer/Songwriter
> With 2 New CDs!!! See my website for details
> ka-klick@ka-klick.com
> http://ka-klick.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From ka_klick at mac.com  Tue Aug 26 23:02:15 2008
From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker)
Date: Tue Aug 26 23:02:46 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] RapidWeaver in a bundle
Message-ID: <E80D6E12-B252-4FDB-8C38-42647A97811F@mac.com>

As I was looking at my rss feed from Daring Fireball I saw a "build  
your own bundle" item - apparently for charity (the Pan Mass Challenge  
which funds cancer charities), several indie sw devs have donated some  
licences of their apps for this, and RapidWeaver (and Omni) are in  
there.

http://www.truerwords.net/fundraising/pmcsoftware/bundlebuilder.html

http://www.pmc.org/

I haven't really looked too far into this yet myself, but it might be  
a way to get a bit of a deal on RW if you're interested. Since RW was  
tonight's meeting topic, I thought it was fairly fitting to forward  
this.

--
Bryan "ka-klick" Baker
Singer/Songwriter
With 2 New CDs!!! See my website for details
ka-klick@ka-klick.com
http://ka-klick.com


From homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net  Thu Aug 28 16:16:47 2008
From: homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net (Sharalyn)
Date: Thu Aug 28 16:17:11 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Scam
Message-ID: <C4DC7FEF.4AAF%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>

I answered an ad on craislist for someone needing a home for free parrots
today, and I'm pretty sure that its trick to get my email address because
ever since I answered, I've been getting a spate of junk mail and they
haven't answered to my response.  What's really scary is that there was an
attached photo that I've opened. Do you suppose there is something bad about
it that it has downloaded into my computer, and do you know any way I can
find it? 


From bill.davis at gmail.com  Thu Aug 28 16:32:04 2008
From: bill.davis at gmail.com (Bill Davis)
Date: Thu Aug 28 16:32:28 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Scam
In-Reply-To: <C4DC7FEF.4AAF%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>
References: <C4DC7FEF.4AAF%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>
Message-ID: <e734c8cd0808281432l1e52dc3ahcc22317e653db0f6@mail.gmail.com>

Unless you filled your email address into a web page form, I doubt it was a
scam to capture your email address.  Spammers have automated tools to surf
the web and harvest email addresses from web sites etc, plus get them from
the Outlook address book on Windows machines.   It's possible, but rather
doubtful that they'd use a scam like that to get a handful of addresses that
an add for free parrots would draw.  Too unusual a topic.   Now if it was
"free iPod", that's another story...

As to the picture downloading something bad to your computer, that's very
doubtful.  You aren't running Windows.   Such things don't really exist
except as "proof of concept" for the Mac if they exist at all.

There are some free virus checkers you can get for the Mac, but they really
just check for PC viruses so you don't spread them.   Search
VersionTracker.com for them.

Email spammers are now also just "guessing" at email addresess.  Yours is
rather unusual so that's doubtful in this case, but I get tons of spam
because I generally use my real name, and it's an easy to guess one.
Gmail's spam filter kills several thousand spam messages a week for me
because of that.

Most likely a spam scanner 'bot found your email address on some web page
somewhere or got it from some other source. Or someone vendor sold your
email address.  The latter is more likely.

 - Bill

On 8/28/08, Sharalyn <homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net> wrote:
>
> I answered an ad on craislist for someone needing a home for free parrots
> today, and I'm pretty sure that its trick to get my email address because
> ever since I answered, I've been getting a spate of junk mail and they
> haven't answered to my response.  What's really scary is that there was an
> attached photo that I've opened. Do you suppose there is something bad
> about
> it that it has downloaded into my computer, and do you know any way I can
> find it?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net  Thu Aug 28 16:41:50 2008
From: homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net (Sharalyn)
Date: Thu Aug 28 16:42:17 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Scam
In-Reply-To: <e734c8cd0808281432l1e52dc3ahcc22317e653db0f6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C4DC85CE.4ABA%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>

Thanks for the response. I hope you?re right. But it still seems odd that
the person would send me a photo of their birds but not answer after that.

Most but not all of the spam I get goes to the simpler email address I use
for shopping.

 Besides the usual invasion of greedy taxation, dishonest politicians,
credit card companies and other legal scam artists, my house was broken into
last week, and spam likewise feels very personally invasive so overall, I?m
just not feeling very safe these days.


On 8/28/08 4:32 PM, "Bill Davis" <bill.davis@gmail.com> wrote:

> Unless you filled your email address into a web page form, I doubt it was a
> scam to capture your email address.  Spammers have automated tools to surf the
> web and harvest email addresses from web sites etc, plus get them from the
> Outlook address book on Windows machines.   It's possible, but rather doubtful
> that they'd use a scam like that to get a handful of addresses that an add for
> free parrots would draw.  Too unusual a topic.   Now if it was "free iPod",
> that's another story...
>  
> As to the picture downloading something bad to your computer, that's very
> doubtful.  You aren't running Windows.   Such things don't really exist except
> as "proof of concept" for the Mac if they exist at all.
>  
> There are some free virus checkers you can get for the Mac, but they really
> just check for PC viruses so you don't spread them.   Search
> VersionTracker.com for them.
>  
> Email spammers are now also just "guessing" at email addresess.  Yours is
> rather unusual so that's doubtful in this case, but I get tons of spam because
> I generally use my real name, and it's an easy to guess one.  Gmail's spam
> filter kills several thousand spam messages a week for me because of that.
>  
> Most likely a spam scanner 'bot found your email address on some web page
> somewhere or got it from some other source. Or someone vendor sold your email
> address.  The latter is more likely.
>  
>  - Bill
>  
> On 8/28/08, Sharalyn <homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net> wrote:
>> I answered an ad on craislist for someone needing a home for free parrots
>> today, and I'm pretty sure that its trick to get my email address because
>> ever since I answered, I've been getting a spate of junk mail and they
>> haven't answered to my response.  What's really scary is that there was an
>> attached photo that I've opened. Do you suppose there is something bad about
>> it that it has downloaded into my computer, and do you know any way I can
>> find it?
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> DMMUG mailing list
>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>> DMMUG@dmmug.org
>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
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