From vlh at herringlaw.com  Tue Apr  1 09:19:23 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue Apr  1 09:23:28 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Tidbits Article
Message-ID: <p06240809c417f4388f48@[192.168.2.2]>

>
>Mac Users Affected by New Virus
><<http://db.tidbits.com/article/9534>http://db.tidbits.com/article/9534>
>A new virus has struck, specifically affecting Mac users.
>Researchers suspect the cause may be retaliation brought on by
>the general smugness Mac users exhibit when confronted with
>viral threats.

-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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From darcybaston at mac.com  Tue Apr  1 09:46:08 2008
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Tue Apr  1 09:46:12 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Tidbits Article
In-Reply-To: <p06240809c417f4388f48@[192.168.2.2]>
References: <p06240809c417f4388f48@[192.168.2.2]>
Message-ID: <2A4B50F2-0118-1000-E22C-17A1389BC0CA-Webmail-10007@mac.com>

That was great! Had a nice laugh. :)



 
On Tuesday, April 01, 2008, at 09:24AM, "Victoria L. Herring" <vlh@herringlaw.com> wrote:
>>
>>Mac Users Affected by New Virus
>><<http://db.tidbits.com/article/9534>http://db.tidbits.com/article/9534>
>>A new virus has struck, specifically affecting Mac users.
>>Researchers suspect the cause may be retaliation brought on by
>>the general smugness Mac users exhibit when confronted with
>>viral threats.
>
>-- 
>Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
>Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
>515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From vlh at herringlaw.com  Tue Apr  1 09:59:15 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue Apr  1 10:03:41 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] programming for DMMUG
Message-ID: <p06240810c417fddad124@[192.168.2.2]>

Here is a little bit of info on what other MUGs do = I just realized 
that a GREAT program that I use alot is QuicKeys -- it is owned by 
Startly Technology of West Des Moines Iowa = it used to be CE 
Software then sold off QuickMail and kept QK and now is Startly

I suggest we see if we can get someone from Startly to come in and 
show and tell us how to maximize the use of QK or why we should have 
it in any event.

>March 30, 2008
>The MUG Center
>The Mac User Group Resource Site
><http://www.mugcenter.com>
>
>
>CONTENTS:
>
>1 - The MUG Event Calendar for March 31: James Lee of Tropical Software,
>Julia Nicols of Microsoft, .Mac, Bento and "Picnik at the Seashore"
>
>2 - Coming Up This Week on The MUG Event CalendarAndy Ihnatko
>
>
>----
>
>1 - The MUG Event Calendar for March 31: James Lee of Tropical Software,
>Julia Nicols of Microsoft, .Mac, Bento and "Picnik at the Seashore"
><http://www.mugcenter.com/the-mug-event-calendar-for-march-31-james-lee-
>of-tropical-software-julia-nicols-of-microsoft-mac-bento-and-picnik-at-
>the-seashore/>
>This week marks the start of a new month and a busy MUG Event Calendar
>for April.
>
>James Lee of Tropical Software will present TopXNotes in Florida and
>Julia Nicols of Microsoft will demonstrate Office 2008 for Mac.
>
>.Mac will be on the agenda in Illinois, GarageBand and a 15th
>anniversary celebration in New Mexico, an Adobe InDesign game show will
>be played in Colorado, finances on the Mac will be the topic in Kansas
>and Mariner Software will be featured in California. iCal is the star in
>Australia, while "Macs in the Media" will be examined in Ireland, and
>there will be a "Picnik at the Seashore" in California, a sure sign of
>Spring in the northern hemisphere.
>
>2 - Coming Up This Week on The MUG Event Calendar
><http://www.mugcenter.com/mug-event-calendar-march-2008/>
><http://www.mugcenter.com/mug-event-calendar-april-2008/>
>
>
>
>
>Thanks!
>
>---Chuck
>_____________
>
>Chuck Joiner
>Editor-In-Chief
>The MUG Center
>http://www.mugcenter.com
>

-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From rbowler at mchsi.com  Tue Apr  1 12:10:14 2008
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Tue Apr  1 12:10:19 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Tidbits Article
In-Reply-To: <2A4B50F2-0118-1000-E22C-17A1389BC0CA-Webmail-10007@mac.com>
References: <p06240809c417f4388f48@[192.168.2.2]>
	<2A4B50F2-0118-1000-E22C-17A1389BC0CA-Webmail-10007@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p06240616c4181cc8609e@[10.0.1.3]>

Yeah. It took me in until I read the symptoms. :-D

At 7:46 AM -0700 4/1/08, Darcy Baston wrote:
>That was great! Had a nice laugh. :)
>
>
>
>
>On Tuesday, April 01, 2008, at 09:24AM, "Victoria L. Herring" 
><vlh@herringlaw.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Mac Users Affected by New Virus
>>><<http://db.tidbits.com/article/9534>http://db.tidbits.com/article/9534>
>>>A new virus has struck, specifically affecting Mac users.
>>>Researchers suspect the cause may be retaliation brought on by
>>>the general smugness Mac users exhibit when confronted with
>>>viral threats.
>>
>>--
>>Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights,
>>Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph.
>>515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
>_______________________________________________
>DMMUG mailing list
>Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>DMMUG@dmmug.org
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>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug


-- 
Ray Bowler

rbowler.home.mchsi.com
From thorgrim at mindspring.com  Tue Apr  1 19:51:49 2008
From: thorgrim at mindspring.com (Thorgrim)
Date: Tue Apr  1 19:51:43 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] More Fools
Message-ID: <58788DD5-A65C-4F89-8164-8C17330EA11F@mindspring.com>

http://www.wiebetech.com/aprilfools/

And I was trying to find storage solutions...

David D. McLaughlin
webmaster@dmmug.org
From vlh at herringlaw.com  Wed Apr  2 13:11:28 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Wed Apr  2 13:11:48 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Special Popcorn 3 offer
Message-ID: <p06240804c4197cc9ad4d@[192.168.2.2]>

>Subject: Special Popcorn 3 offer
>Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 11:06:58 -0700
>Thread-Topic: Special Popcorn 3 offer
>Thread-Index: AciUc1Dwa845RSypRR2c6dg/rKUAzQ==
>Priority: Urgent
>From: "Kara Whittington" <Kara_Whittington@sonic.com>
>To: "Usergroups" <usergroups@roxio.com>
>X-Nonspam: Statistical 64%
>
>Dear Mac User Groups:
>
>Please pass this great offer to all of your group members. We're 
>offering Popcorn 3 to user groups only for a special price of 
>$39.99- that's $10 off MSRP. This is a limited time offer, however, 
>valid now through April 15th at our online store at 
><http://www.roxio.com/>http://www.roxio.com.  Enter Coupon Code: 
>UGpopsave10 at checkout.
>
>If you have any questions, just let me know.
>
>All best,
>
>Kara
>
>--------------------------------------------
>Kara G. Whittington
>Viral Communications Manager & User Group Liason
>d 415.893.8050  |  c 707.583.4954
>SONIC SOLUTIONS  |  ROXIO
>


-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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From vlh at herringlaw.com  Sat Apr  5 13:14:22 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sat Apr  5 13:18:15 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: [TMC-NLC] macCompanion April issue released
Message-ID: <p06240852c41d71efad8d@[192.168.2.2]>

>We will be following a different track this month by offering the free
>magazine for a $1 donation request per issue to cover costs. Overhead
>and bandwidth. And no, this is not an April 1st joke.
>
><http://www.maccompanion.com>http://www.maccompanion.com
>
>105-page PDF of macCompanion "April Showers".
>
>Robert Pritchett | 3-Rivers Synergy Centre | MPN, LLC | macCompanion |
>Skype - maccompanion | 1-509-210-0217 |

-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
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From tyrrell69 at gmail.com  Tue Apr  8 09:17:49 2008
From: tyrrell69 at gmail.com (Chris Tyrrell)
Date: Tue Apr  8 09:19:08 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] OT- Switch vs. hub vs. router
Message-ID: <54c5ebf40804080717g41555cbcwd27b2459ff273bfa@mail.gmail.com>

Good morning all. DirecTV is now offering On Demand programming, but
it requires a broadband connection. I have Qwest DSL, which feeds my
Airport, which in turns serves my iBook and Dual G4. It seems that my
best option would be to connect a hub to my DSL modem, then run a line
to my Airport and a line to my satellite box.

But, is a hub what I want? Or do I need a switch? Or a router?


Thanks,
Chris Tyrrell
From djweis at internetsolver.com  Tue Apr  8 09:24:24 2008
From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis)
Date: Tue Apr  8 09:26:49 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] OT- Switch vs. hub vs. router
In-Reply-To: <54c5ebf40804080717g41555cbcwd27b2459ff273bfa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54c5ebf40804080717g41555cbcwd27b2459ff273bfa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47FB8018.8040702@internetsolver.com>

Chris Tyrrell wrote:
> Good morning all. DirecTV is now offering On Demand programming, but
> it requires a broadband connection. I have Qwest DSL, which feeds my
> Airport, which in turns serves my iBook and Dual G4. It seems that my
> best option would be to connect a hub to my DSL modem, then run a line
> to my Airport and a line to my satellite box.
> But, is a hub what I want? Or do I need a switch? Or a router?

A hub and a switch are similar but a bit different. A hub hooks together 
multiple things but when one box talks all of them hear it. They don't 
really make them any more because they aren't very efficient. A switch 
keeps track of what is on each port and only sends the data to each one 
that it needs.

A router is used to connect two different networks together and possibly 
provide some firewalling or address translation to put multiple devices 
behind one address.

Your DSL modem is probably doing routing so you would just want to get a 
plain switch between your airport and your DSL modem.

dave


From jon at mac-consultant.com  Tue Apr  8 09:33:05 2008
From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Tue Apr  8 09:33:28 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] OT- Switch vs. hub vs. router
In-Reply-To: <54c5ebf40804080717g41555cbcwd27b2459ff273bfa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54c5ebf40804080717g41555cbcwd27b2459ff273bfa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4719FF45-954F-4462-87BE-8FE0FBA0FCC3@mac-consultant.com>

Think of a hub as a side street intersection:  no stop signs, no yield  
signs, no traffic shaping at all.

Think of a switch as a traffic light intersection:  traffic is managed  
so that it goes where it is supposed to.

Think of a router as a traffic light intersection with a series of  
interstate on and off ramps attached:  traffic is shaped, but it is  
moved to other networks (the interstate system) when it needs to.

Hubs generally aren't sold anymore; switches are superior, as you  
don't have to resend data all the time due to collisions.

As dave said, you probably just need a switch, but you may also have  
ports in your DSL router that would allow you to plug directly into it.

-- 
- Jon
On Apr 8, 2008, at 9:17 AM, Chris Tyrrell wrote:
> Good morning all. DirecTV is now offering On Demand programming, but
> it requires a broadband connection. I have Qwest DSL, which feeds my
> Airport, which in turns serves my iBook and Dual G4. It seems that my
> best option would be to connect a hub to my DSL modem, then run a line
> to my Airport and a line to my satellite box.
>
> But, is a hub what I want? Or do I need a switch? Or a router?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Chris Tyrrell
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From cwsmith7 at gmail.com  Tue Apr  8 09:40:09 2008
From: cwsmith7 at gmail.com (CW Smith)
Date: Tue Apr  8 09:40:42 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] OT- Switch vs. hub vs. router
In-Reply-To: <47FB8018.8040702@internetsolver.com>
References: <54c5ebf40804080717g41555cbcwd27b2459ff273bfa@mail.gmail.com>
	<47FB8018.8040702@internetsolver.com>
Message-ID: <110B9F81-5849-4542-9CA3-BC264F57A733@gmail.com>

Mostly reiterating and agreeing with Dave's comments, and adding one  
or two of my own:

> Your DSL modem is probably doing routing so you would just want to  
> get a plain switch between your airport and your DSL modem.

Some, but not all, DSL modems act as routers. If you have only one  
Ethernet port on the back of the modem, and no wireless capability  
built-in, then the modem probably is *not* a router. If you have  
multiple Ethernet ports and/or built-in wireless, it probably *is*  
able to act as a router.

If the DSL modem is *not* acting as a router, the AirPort base station  
can/will do so. Probably the best setup in your case would be:

	DSL modem ---> AirPort base station ---> Ethernet switch --->  
individual computers

With the caveat that only one device (DSL modem *or* AirPort) should  
be assigning DHCP. If they're both trying to do the same job, you will  
have conflicts.

Hope you find both Dave's and my comments helpful.

Peace,
CW

-------------------------------------

CW Smith
guitar, bass, percussion, Macintosh

cwsmith7@gmail.com
http://cwsmith.spymac.com






On Apr 8, 2008, at 9:24 AM, Dave Weis wrote:

> Chris Tyrrell wrote:
>> Good morning all. DirecTV is now offering On Demand programming, but
>> it requires a broadband connection. I have Qwest DSL, which feeds my
>> Airport, which in turns serves my iBook and Dual G4. It seems that my
>> best option would be to connect a hub to my DSL modem, then run a  
>> line
>> to my Airport and a line to my satellite box.
>> But, is a hub what I want? Or do I need a switch? Or a router?
>
> A hub and a switch are similar but a bit different. A hub hooks  
> together multiple things but when one box talks all of them hear it.  
> They don't really make them any more because they aren't very  
> efficient. A switch keeps track of what is on each port and only  
> sends the data to each one that it needs.
>
> A router is used to connect two different networks together and  
> possibly provide some firewalling or address translation to put  
> multiple devices behind one address.
>
>
> dave
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 10 19:39:45 2008
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Thu Apr 10 19:40:10 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] OT- Switch vs. hub vs. router
In-Reply-To: <110B9F81-5849-4542-9CA3-BC264F57A733@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <644648.32490.qm@web55103.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

So I added, managed neew contacts into the addressbook on OS 10.4.11 and thought I'd have it look
for duplicate entries, then hit cancel when it prompted me deciding against it. then ALL 131 of my
contacts I've built up over the last year, poof. 
Any ideas?

Also has anyone else been having problems with their airport cards? Ever since I did the last
apple updates which included an update for airport cards, the thing has bee nothing but a head
ache. 

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
http://mail.yahoo.com 
From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 10 19:40:15 2008
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Thu Apr 10 19:40:40 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Addressbook
In-Reply-To: <110B9F81-5849-4542-9CA3-BC264F57A733@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <72567.37889.qm@web55112.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

So I added, managed neew contacts into the addressbook on OS 10.4.11 and thought I'd have it look
for duplicate entries, then hit cancel when it prompted me deciding against it. then ALL 131 of my
contacts I've built up over the last year, poof. 
Any ideas?

Also has anyone else been having problems with their airport cards? Ever since I did the last
apple updates which included an update for airport cards, the thing has bee nothing but a head
ache. 

I really wish I had OS 10.5 with the time machine.

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
http://mail.yahoo.com 
From hfwelch at mac.com  Fri Apr 11 10:31:21 2008
From: hfwelch at mac.com (Holly Welch)
Date: Fri Apr 11 10:31:55 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] OT- Switch vs. hub vs. router
In-Reply-To: <644648.32490.qm@web55103.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
References: <644648.32490.qm@web55103.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <136C6986-2E97-452A-9E24-FC32E63B8FE3@mac.com>

I had my address book disappear on me about a year ago. I tried to  
sync it with my .Mac (with help from Apple on the phone), and my .Mac  
addresses disappeared. I learned to back up my address book after new  
entries.
On Apr 10, 2008, at 7:39 PM, AB wrote:

> So I added, managed neew contacts into the addressbook on OS  
> 10.4.11 and thought I'd have it look
> for duplicate entries, then hit cancel when it prompted me deciding  
> against it. then ALL 131 of my
> contacts I've built up over the last year, poof.
> Any ideas?
>
> Also has anyone else been having problems with their airport cards?  
> Ever since I did the last
> apple updates which included an update for airport cards, the thing  
> has bee nothing but a head
> ache.
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> http://mail.yahoo.com
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From anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 11 14:24:47 2008
From: anastasia_prittee at yahoo.com (AB)
Date: Fri Apr 11 14:25:11 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Thanks!
In-Reply-To: <136C6986-2E97-452A-9E24-FC32E63B8FE3@mac.com>
Message-ID: <184186.8713.qm@web55115.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Thanks Holly! I got lucky and was able to recover 118 of the contacts from my ipod. I will
definitely back up my address book regularly... just so random...


--- Holly Welch <hfwelch@mac.com> wrote:

> I had my address book disappear on me about a year ago. I tried to  
> sync it with my .Mac (with help from Apple on the phone), and my .Mac  
> addresses disappeared. I learned to back up my address book after new  
> entries.
> On Apr 10, 2008, at 7:39 PM, AB wrote:
> 
> > So I added, managed neew contacts into the addressbook on OS  
> > 10.4.11 and thought I'd have it look
> > for duplicate entries, then hit cancel when it prompted me deciding  
> > against it. then ALL 131 of my
> > contacts I've built up over the last year, poof.
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Also has anyone else been having problems with their airport cards?  
> > Ever since I did the last
> > apple updates which included an update for airport cards, the thing  
> > has bee nothing but a head
> > ache.
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> > http://mail.yahoo.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > DMMUG mailing list
> > Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> > DMMUG@dmmug.org
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> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
> 
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> 


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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Sat Apr 12 17:29:25 2008
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Sat Apr 12 17:29:52 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Configuring Apple Mail
Message-ID: <p06240601c426e642642e@[10.0.1.3]>

I need some help. TIA

I am thinking of switching from Eudora to Mail. In the process I am 
trying to set up an account for myself. It seems to find the POP 
server--mail.mchsi.com but when I try to configure the SMTP server it 
cannot connect. I enter mail.mchsi.com with user name rbowler which 
is what Eudora is using. In the account pane the SMTP server is 
listed as mail.mchsi.com:rbowler and I am not sure the server will 
accept this.
-- 
Ray Bowler

rbowler.home.mchsi.com
From vlh at herringlaw.com  Sat Apr 12 17:50:14 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sat Apr 12 17:56:21 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Configuring Apple Mail
In-Reply-To: <p06240601c426e642642e@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <p06240601c426e642642e@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <p06240807c426ecd97784@[192.168.2.2]>

I haven't done that, but my recall is mail.mchsi.com is fine for 
pulling down mail but it's smtp.mchsi.com for sending.  You also need 
the right port numbers.  You may need to call MCHSI/Mediacom for the 
settings tho = might be easier
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From rbowler at mchsi.com  Sat Apr 12 19:49:20 2008
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Sat Apr 12 19:49:46 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Configuring Apple Mail
In-Reply-To: <p06240807c426ecd97784@[192.168.2.2]>
References: <p06240601c426e642642e@[10.0.1.3]>
	<p06240807c426ecd97784@[192.168.2.2]>
Message-ID: <p06240602c427082c56de@[10.0.1.3]>

Their site says that SMTP is mail.mchsi.com Nothing there about port 
numbers. Eudora uses port 25 which I believe is what Mail wants to 
use.

At 5:50 PM -0500 4/12/08, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
>I haven't done that, but my recall is mail.mchsi.com is fine for 
>pulling down mail but it's smtp.mchsi.com for sending.  You also 
>need the right port numbers.  You may need to call MCHSI/Mediacom 
>for the settings tho = might be easier
>--
>Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
>Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
>515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype: 
>vlherring.

-- 
Ray Bowler

rbowler.home.mchsi.com
From thorgrim at mindspring.com  Sun Apr 13 19:32:14 2008
From: thorgrim at mindspring.com (Thorgrim)
Date: Sun Apr 13 19:32:43 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Presto for "email"
Message-ID: <0EB11031-FDB5-43B2-9187-7191DEE98DB3@mindspring.com>

Do anyone know of anyone that has used

http://www.presto.com/

for "email"?

Or an other similar service?

David D. McLaughlin
webmaster@dmmug.org
From thorgrim at mindspring.com  Thu Apr 17 16:30:25 2008
From: thorgrim at mindspring.com (Thorgrim)
Date: Thu Apr 17 16:30:40 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] 04/22/2008 meeting "Shareware/Freeware"
Message-ID: <A84D12D7-BEE9-4C80-B8F8-997F7519BC56@mindspring.com>

We will talk about Shareware/Freeware.

Bring a list of your favorite software to share.

David D. McLaughlin
webmaster@dmmug.org
From darcybaston at mac.com  Thu Apr 17 19:30:31 2008
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Thu Apr 17 19:30:57 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Mac vs. PC: The Ultimate Lab Test for New Desktops &
	Laptops
Message-ID: <09C658A7-806D-4D9B-9AEC-E032E960FF15@mac.com>

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/reviews/4258725.html
From vlh at herringlaw.com  Wed Apr 23 12:58:37 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Wed Apr 23 12:59:09 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] creating screensavers
Message-ID: <p06240813c435290d92db@[192.168.2.2]>

if I want to create a set of screensaver images, do I need certain 
software or can I just use iPhoto to create images that will work as 
such??  Any suggestions for creating a batch of images for 
screensaver purposes.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From jon at mac-consultant.com  Wed Apr 23 13:03:51 2008
From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Wed Apr 23 13:04:15 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] creating screensavers
In-Reply-To: <p06240813c435290d92db@[192.168.2.2]>
References: <p06240813c435290d92db@[192.168.2.2]>
Message-ID: <76D19C46-B615-4C1F-96D3-A4E4185AFF7A@mac-consultant.com>

Apple has a screensaver that will use a folder full of pictures, which  
is what you are referring to in the second part of your sentence.  To  
make a new screen saver, you would need to install the developer  
tools, which includes Quartz Composer.

On Apr 23, 2008, at 12:58 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> if I want to create a set of screensaver images, do I need certain  
> software or can I just use iPhoto to create images that will work as  
> such??  Any suggestions for creating a batch of images for  
> screensaver purposes.
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights,  
> Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph.  
> 515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
> _______________________________________________
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From vlh at herringlaw.com  Wed Apr 23 13:16:28 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Wed Apr 23 13:16:57 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] creating screensavers
In-Reply-To: <76D19C46-B615-4C1F-96D3-A4E4185AFF7A@mac-consultant.com>
References: <p06240813c435290d92db@[192.168.2.2]>
	<76D19C46-B615-4C1F-96D3-A4E4185AFF7A@mac-consultant.com>
Message-ID: <p06240815c4352d438f7d@[192.168.2.2]>

thanks, no I want to create a CD/DVD screensaver collection of images 
for sale....my images, my sale...I have googled screensaver and mac 
and things keep coming up with WIN software....

>Apple has a screensaver that will use a folder full of pictures, 
>which is what you are referring to in the second part of your 
>sentence.  To make a new screen saver, you would need to install the 
>developer tools, which includes Quartz Composer.
>
>On Apr 23, 2008, at 12:58 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
>
>>if I want to create a set of screensaver images, do I need certain 
>>software or can I just use iPhoto to create images that will work 
>>as such??  Any suggestions for creating a batch of images for 
>>screensaver purposes.

-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From ka_klick at mac.com  Wed Apr 23 15:36:21 2008
From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker)
Date: Wed Apr 23 15:37:11 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] creating screensavers
In-Reply-To: <p06240815c4352d438f7d@[192.168.2.2]>
References: <p06240813c435290d92db@[192.168.2.2]>
	<76D19C46-B615-4C1F-96D3-A4E4185AFF7A@mac-consultant.com>
	<p06240815c4352d438f7d@[192.168.2.2]>
Message-ID: <9FAFBA65-AEC2-41EA-A410-6FEA73FD79A6@mac.com>

Look at Quartz Composer then. A simple shuffle through of some images  
should be pretty easy w/ it.


On Apr 23, 2008, at 1:16 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
> thanks, no I want to create a CD/DVD screensaver collection of  
> images for sale....my images, my sale...I have googled screensaver  
> and mac and things keep coming up with WIN software....
>
>> Apple has a screensaver that will use a folder full of pictures,  
>> which is what you are referring to in the second part of your  
>> sentence.  To make a new screen saver, you would need to install  
>> the developer tools, which includes Quartz Composer.
>>
>> On Apr 23, 2008, at 12:58 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
>>
>>> if I want to create a set of screensaver images, do I need certain  
>>> software or can I just use iPhoto to create images that will work  
>>> as such??  Any suggestions for creating a batch of images for  
>>> screensaver purposes.
>
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights,  
> Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph.  
> 515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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--
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Singer/Songwriter
With 2 New CDs!!! See my website for details
kaklick_martin@mac.com
http://ka-klick.com


From thorgrim at mindspring.com  Wed Apr 23 22:34:12 2008
From: thorgrim at mindspring.com (Thorgrim)
Date: Wed Apr 23 22:34:42 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] Shareware/freeware page Updated
Message-ID: <7DE01175-7EFB-4B4E-896B-0F6F87F714F6@mindspring.com>

The direct link is

http://www.dmmug.org/hidden/hidden1.html

or find it from the RSS feed or the News page.

David D. McLaughlin
webmaster@dmmug.org
From vlh at herringlaw.com  Thu Apr 24 08:30:01 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu Apr 24 08:37:06 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] creating screensavers
In-Reply-To: <9FAFBA65-AEC2-41EA-A410-6FEA73FD79A6@mac.com>
References: <p06240813c435290d92db@[192.168.2.2]>
	<76D19C46-B615-4C1F-96D3-A4E4185AFF7A@mac-consultant.com>
	<p06240815c4352d438f7d@[192.168.2.2]>
	<9FAFBA65-AEC2-41EA-A410-6FEA73FD79A6@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p06240805c4363b903f58@[192.168.2.2]>

Okay, having gone to google, I gather that Quartz Composer is part of 
the X11 development tools which I didn't install on my MacPro, but 
can, and that it may be easy enough to figure out [couldn't tell from 
the wiki and other info that I found] --?


>Look at Quartz Composer then. A simple shuffle through of some 
>images should be pretty easy w/ it.
>
>
>On Apr 23, 2008, at 1:16 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
>>thanks, no I want to create a CD/DVD screensaver collection of 
>>images for sale....my images, my sale...I have googled screensaver 
>>and mac and things keep coming up with WIN software....
>>
>>>Apple has a screensaver that will use a folder full of pictures, 
>>>which is what you are referring to in the second part of your 
>>>sentence.  To make a new screen saver, you would need to install 
>>>the developer tools, which includes Quartz Composer.

-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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From jon at mac-consultant.com  Thu Apr 24 08:55:02 2008
From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Thu Apr 24 08:55:26 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] creating screensavers
In-Reply-To: <p06240805c4363b903f58@[192.168.2.2]>
References: <p06240813c435290d92db@[192.168.2.2]>
	<76D19C46-B615-4C1F-96D3-A4E4185AFF7A@mac-consultant.com>
	<p06240815c4352d438f7d@[192.168.2.2]>
	<9FAFBA65-AEC2-41EA-A410-6FEA73FD79A6@mac.com>
	<p06240805c4363b903f58@[192.168.2.2]>
Message-ID: <911F5234-25C9-4560-898A-8308FD6C68B7@mac-consultant.com>

It is not an X11 application.  It is part of the development tools.   
You need to install the development tools, but you don't need X11.   
You should have the developer tools on the Mac OS X DVD.  If not, you  
need to download XCode Tools from Apple's Developer site.

On Apr 24, 2008, at 8:30 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> Okay, having gone to google, I gather that Quartz Composer is part  
> of the X11 development tools which I didn't install on my MacPro,  
> but can, and that it may be easy enough to figure out [couldn't tell  
> from the wiki and other info that I found] --?
>
>
>> Look at Quartz Composer then. A simple shuffle through of some  
>> images should be pretty easy w/ it.
>>
>>
>> On Apr 23, 2008, at 1:16 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
>>>
>>> thanks, no I want to create a CD/DVD screensaver collection of  
>>> images for sale....my images, my sale...I have googled screensaver  
>>> and mac and things keep coming up with WIN software....
>>>> Apple has a screensaver that will use a folder full of pictures,  
>>>> which is what you are referring to in the second part of your  
>>>> sentence.  To make a new screen saver, you would need to install  
>>>> the developer tools, which includes Quartz Composer.
>
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights,   
> Discrimination & Employment Law,http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph.  
> 515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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From jmuller38 at mchsi.com  Thu Apr 24 21:38:12 2008
From: jmuller38 at mchsi.com (Jeff Muller)
Date: Thu Apr 24 21:38:36 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] iTunes
Message-ID: <4e968e4ba7ec0012a388d63bef3279a3@mchsi.com>

The hard drive on my iMac is bulging at its seams, a virtual Calcutta, 
if you will. I've moved a number of files to an external drive (a 
virtual Wyoming) but that's only been of marginal help. What I've just 
discovered is that by far, the largest chunk of my hd is taken up by my 
iTunes Music folder. Something like 56.33 GB of the formatted 74 GBs is 
my audio collection.

What I'm wondering is, if I move some of the individual folders (which 
correspond to the artist's names) to the external drive, will iTunes 
find them and be able to play them or update them, if needed? Or will I 
need to move out the least needed ones and swap them back in if I want 
to hear them? Or would I have to move the whole kit & kaboodle, 
application & files, over to the external drive? Or something else?!!!

And how would any of this affect interactions with my iPod (an old 30 
GB), which is already a considerably slimmed-down version of the iTunes 
library?

Thanks in advance for your help...
Jeff

From vlh at herringlaw.com  Thu Apr 24 21:55:25 2008
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu Apr 24 21:56:04 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] iTunes
In-Reply-To: <4e968e4ba7ec0012a388d63bef3279a3@mchsi.com>
References: <4e968e4ba7ec0012a388d63bef3279a3@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <p06240820c436f86e0fce@[192.168.2.2]>

if I were you I'd do what I have done...my iTunes is 100% on an 
external drive.  I do a back up of contents every now and then just 
to be anal, but since it's about 160G now it's a good thing it's off 
my CPU>
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From cwsmith7 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 24 21:57:21 2008
From: cwsmith7 at gmail.com (CW Smith)
Date: Thu Apr 24 21:57:52 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] iTunes
In-Reply-To: <4e968e4ba7ec0012a388d63bef3279a3@mchsi.com>
References: <4e968e4ba7ec0012a388d63bef3279a3@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <6EF983D3-3610-44A6-BD5C-5F7DCA4E20D9@gmail.com>

? Find your iTunes Music folder in [your hard drive] > Users > [your  
user folder] > Music > iTunes. Drag it to the external drive and then  
delete the old folder's contents (i.e., move them to the trash and  
empty the trash.)

? Move your iTunes Library file to the "Previous iTunes Libraries"  
folder. Please note: iTunes will forget everything you've ever had in  
your iTunes Library (including music, podcasts, movies, TV shows,  
playlists, and folders). We'll import your *content* back in, in steps  
to follow, but your playlists and folders will be gone.

? Open iTunes and panic only briefly when you see that it's empty. Go  
to the "iTunes" menu and select Preferences. Click the "Advanced" tab.  
Click the "General" tab. In the space for "iTunes Music Folder  
location," click the "Change" button. Direct the minifinder to the  
copy of your iTunes Music folder on the external drive and click  
"Open." iTunes will now use this folder when you download from the  
iTunes Store or import music from your CDs.

? Go to the "File" menu and select Add to Library. Direct the  
minifinder to the same folder on the external drive and click "Open."  
iTunes will now add all the files from the iTunes Music folder into  
the Library.

? It's going to be up to you to re-create all your old playlists,  
folders, smart playlists, etc. When you connect your iPod at this  
point, it should sync normally, unless you had it set to sync to a  
particular playlist. If that's the case, you may need to tweak its  
preferences too.

On Apr 24, 2008, at 9:38 PM, Jeff Muller wrote:

> The hard drive on my iMac is bulging at its seams, a virtual  
> Calcutta, if you will. I've moved a number of files to an external  
> drive (a virtual Wyoming) but that's only been of marginal help.  
> What I've just discovered is that by far, the largest chunk of my hd  
> is taken up by my iTunes Music folder. Something like 56.33 GB of  
> the formatted 74 GBs is my audio collection.
>
> What I'm wondering is, if I move some of the individual folders  
> (which correspond to the artist's names) to the external drive, will  
> iTunes find them and be able to play them or update them, if needed?  
> Or will I need to move out the least needed ones and swap them back  
> in if I want to hear them? Or would I have to move the whole kit &  
> kaboodle, application & files, over to the external drive? Or  
> something else?!!!
>
> And how would any of this affect interactions with my iPod (an old  
> 30 GB), which is already a considerably slimmed-down version of the  
> iTunes library?
>
> Thanks in advance for your help...
> Jeff
>
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From darcybaston at mac.com  Thu Apr 24 22:53:57 2008
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Thu Apr 24 22:54:25 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] iTunes
In-Reply-To: <6EF983D3-3610-44A6-BD5C-5F7DCA4E20D9@gmail.com>
References: <4e968e4ba7ec0012a388d63bef3279a3@mchsi.com>
	<6EF983D3-3610-44A6-BD5C-5F7DCA4E20D9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EE7F7799-62FE-40FB-8918-86D43D2F5BBA@mac.com>

This may be easier:

-COPY the iTunes folder to an external hard drive. Drag and drop to  
the external drive will do this.

-Launch iTunes while holding down the OPTION key. When asked, click  
'Choose Library', and navigate to the iTunes folder on the external  
drive.

-Delete the old iTunes folder on your internal drive.



On Apr 24, 2008, at 9:57 PM, CW Smith wrote:

> ? Find your iTunes Music folder in [your hard drive] > Users > [your  
> user folder] > Music > iTunes. Drag it to the external drive and  
> then delete the old folder's contents (i.e., move them to the trash  
> and empty the trash.)
>
> ? Move your iTunes Library file to the "Previous iTunes Libraries"  
> folder. Please note: iTunes will forget everything you've ever had  
> in your iTunes Library (including music, podcasts, movies, TV shows,  
> playlists, and folders). We'll import your *content* back in, in  
> steps to follow, but your playlists and folders will be gone.
>
> ? Open iTunes and panic only briefly when you see that it's empty.  
> Go to the "iTunes" menu and select Preferences. Click the "Advanced"  
> tab. Click the "General" tab. In the space for "iTunes Music Folder  
> location," click the "Change" button. Direct the minifinder to the  
> copy of your iTunes Music folder on the external drive and click  
> "Open." iTunes will now use this folder when you download from the  
> iTunes Store or import music from your CDs.
>
> ? Go to the "File" menu and select Add to Library. Direct the  
> minifinder to the same folder on the external drive and click  
> "Open." iTunes will now add all the files from the iTunes Music  
> folder into the Library.
>
> ? It's going to be up to you to re-create all your old playlists,  
> folders, smart playlists, etc. When you connect your iPod at this  
> point, it should sync normally, unless you had it set to sync to a  
> particular playlist. If that's the case, you may need to tweak its  
> preferences too.
>
> On Apr 24, 2008, at 9:38 PM, Jeff Muller wrote:
>
>> The hard drive on my iMac is bulging at its seams, a virtual  
>> Calcutta, if you will. I've moved a number of files to an external  
>> drive (a virtual Wyoming) but that's only been of marginal help.  
>> What I've just discovered is that by far, the largest chunk of my  
>> hd is taken up by my iTunes Music folder. Something like 56.33 GB  
>> of the formatted 74 GBs is my audio collection.
>>
>> What I'm wondering is, if I move some of the individual folders  
>> (which correspond to the artist's names) to the external drive,  
>> will iTunes find them and be able to play them or update them, if  
>> needed? Or will I need to move out the least needed ones and swap  
>> them back in if I want to hear them? Or would I have to move the  
>> whole kit & kaboodle, application & files, over to the external  
>> drive? Or something else?!!!
>>
>> And how would any of this affect interactions with my iPod (an old  
>> 30 GB), which is already a considerably slimmed-down version of the  
>> iTunes library?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for your help...
>> Jeff
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From darcybaston at mac.com  Thu Apr 24 22:56:57 2008
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Thu Apr 24 22:57:22 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] iTunes
In-Reply-To: <EE7F7799-62FE-40FB-8918-86D43D2F5BBA@mac.com>
References: <4e968e4ba7ec0012a388d63bef3279a3@mchsi.com>
	<6EF983D3-3610-44A6-BD5C-5F7DCA4E20D9@gmail.com>
	<EE7F7799-62FE-40FB-8918-86D43D2F5BBA@mac.com>
Message-ID: <2074FF72-C159-4C46-8864-7221135FE739@mac.com>

You won't have to rebuild any playlists or anything. It will be  
exactly what you had before. Forgot to mention that before. :)

On Apr 24, 2008, at 10:53 PM, Darcy Baston wrote:

> This may be easier:
>
> -COPY the iTunes folder to an external hard drive. Drag and drop to  
> the external drive will do this.
>
> -Launch iTunes while holding down the OPTION key. When asked, click  
> 'Choose Library', and navigate to the iTunes folder on the external  
> drive.
>
> -Delete the old iTunes folder on your internal drive.
From cwsmith7 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 25 09:06:55 2008
From: cwsmith7 at gmail.com (CW Smith)
Date: Fri Apr 25 09:07:28 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] iTunes
In-Reply-To: <2074FF72-C159-4C46-8864-7221135FE739@mac.com>
References: <4e968e4ba7ec0012a388d63bef3279a3@mchsi.com>
	<6EF983D3-3610-44A6-BD5C-5F7DCA4E20D9@gmail.com>
	<EE7F7799-62FE-40FB-8918-86D43D2F5BBA@mac.com>
	<2074FF72-C159-4C46-8864-7221135FE739@mac.com>
Message-ID: <77C13893-ABC0-492F-96B0-88173D407A3C@gmail.com>

Did not know about holding down the Option key when launching iTunes.  
Gad, ya learn something new every day in this biz.

Peace,
CW


On Apr 24, 2008, at 10:56 PM, Darcy Baston wrote:

> You won't have to rebuild any playlists or anything. It will be  
> exactly what you had before. Forgot to mention that before. :)
>
> On Apr 24, 2008, at 10:53 PM, Darcy Baston wrote:
>
>> This may be easier:
>>
>> -COPY the iTunes folder to an external hard drive. Drag and drop to  
>> the external drive will do this.
>>
>> -Launch iTunes while holding down the OPTION key. When asked, click  
>> 'Choose Library', and navigate to the iTunes folder on the external  
>> drive.
>>
>> -Delete the old iTunes folder on your internal drive.
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