[DM-MUG] Leopard runs hotter?

Roses Derise homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net
Sat Nov 3 19:08:00 CDT 2007 

Its always so weird that things never seem to work on my computer the way
they are supposed to, or maybe I just have a part of my brain missing so
that I can¹t follow instructions. Whatever the reason, I cannot find the
caches cache. I looked under system in the applications list, did a
spotlight on parts as well as the entire list of words here, but the only
thing it gives me is your email. Is it possible there is something else to
look under?


On 11/3/07 4:34 PM, "jim lagnese" <jlagnese at gmail.com> wrote:

> Caches are located in:
> 
> /System/Library/Caches
> /Library/Caches
> ~/Library/Caches
> 
> Delete everything in those folders and then reboot.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> //On 11/3/07 4:27 PM, "Roses Derise" <homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net> wrote:
> 
>> How do I trash the caches?
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/3/07 2:15 PM, "Don Patridge" <donald.patridge at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=2007110110052021
>>> 
>>> There's a article on Macfixit.com about all of this.
>>> 
>>> On Nov 3, 2007, at 1:45 PM, jim lagnese wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Trash your caches as well. Once upon a time I was having temps around 160,
>>>> even with the fans full blast, even through reboots. I deleted all the
>>>> caches and it returned to normal. Go figure. Still, set to 4000 rpm, my
>>>> temps have been 111-120 with leopard, and Tiger usually would be 120-130.
>>>> The computer is a MBP 17/2.33
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> //On 11/3/07 12:03 PM, "Roses Derise" <homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net>
>>>> wrote: 
>>>> 
>>>>> After getting our feedback, I re-plugged in the external hard drive and
>>>>> left 
>>>>> it on all night so I could test it again. When I opened it up in this
>>>>> morning about 8:30, the computer was cool to touch but the fan started
>>>>> running immediately, a sound which is to me like fingernails on
>>>>> chalkboards, 
>>>>> and which I had solved on Tiger with the aid of an air desk and smc fan
>>>>> control. The heat would still get bad and the fan would come on when the
>>>>> computer heated up after a long day of working and/or gaming or loading up
>>>>> a 
>>>>> big program or had a lot of programs open at the same time. Other than
>>>>> those 
>>>>> times the heat was acceptable and the fan was blessedly silent.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This morning, I let it run for a while to see if it was just a
>>>>> waking/warming up thing but the fan didn't shut off so about a half-hour
>>>>> later I unplugged the external hard drive to shut off time machine. Even
>>>>> so, 
>>>>> the fan has continued to run continuously for the last nearly three hours,
>>>>> which says that the fan/heat is not from Time Machine, so I was wrong on
>>>>> that.  I have no open programs except Microsoft Word and Entourage  The
>>>>> temp 
>>>>> is at 145 degrees and the temp record since I got Leopard is overall
>>>>> higher 
>>>>> so the only thing I can conclude is that Leopard runs hotter.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I then went to Apple on-line support for Leopard and found others were
>>>>> complaining of the same issue--heat and noise. If any of you have any
>>>>> fixes 
>>>>> for this, I (and presumably those at the apple support place (key words
>>>>> leopard runs hot) would really appreciate it. Otherwise, I plan to
>>>>> uninstall 
>>>>> it and go back to Tiger.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 11/2/07 2:57 PM, "Roses Derise" <homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I did let it run, as you said it took several hours...my complaint was
>>>>>> from 
>>>>>> what happened afterwards.  Re the radar, that's what got my attention,
>>>>>> that 
>>>>>> I was suddenly noticing after a relatively long period of not noticing,
>>>>>> and 
>>>>>> in fact not even thinking about it, like finding myself having to stop
>>>>>> earlier in the day because of the heat (those of you who with desk models
>>>>>> don't have to have your hands directly on a hot metal surface so might
>>>>>> not 
>>>>>> notice any extra heat)  even after disconnecting the back up disk.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> (And I do have smc fan control but had to set it to a different setting
>>>>>> to 
>>>>>> keep it from coming on so often.)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Let's hope you are right, that it is somehow in my "radar" or something
>>>>>> this 
>>>>>> computer illiterate is doing wrong that can be fixed.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 11/2/07 11:30 AM, "Bryan Baker" <ka_klick at mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Well, if you only let it run for ~10 min it probably didn't have time
>>>>>>> to finish it's first full backup. The problem is, that it needs a
>>>>>>> place to start, so it needs a FULL backup of the system - that's
>>>>>>> everything. I'd be surprised if it took less than 10. Once this is
>>>>>>> done once, most of what it does is make copies of anything that
>>>>>>> changed since the last one, so those should be almost unnoticeable.
>>>>>>> That's the theory. This is being typed by someone who has a shrink-
>>>>>>> wrapped copy of Leopard on his desk, not someone who's already
>>>>>>> running it, but I remember having to walk away from in-progress Tiger
>>>>>>> first boots because the dang indexing was taking hours.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It's also possible that your "radar" is up, and that while it is
>>>>>>> currently "hotter" over time the power consumption will decrease as
>>>>>>> the system finishes all the stuff it's doing behind the scenes in the
>>>>>>> background.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Nov 2, 2007, at 11:04 AM, Roses Derise wrote:
Also 109.99 at macmall with rebate for shipping.

So far, I feel regret that I bought Leopard. A lot of little things
don't 
seem to work well--such as some (but not all) the little yellow memory
strips (such as the ones that pop up, say, account numbers), and my
printer 
drive not loading properly on start-up. As some of you have said, I
don't 
like the folders and even though I am not a fan of dark colors, I
do seem to 
have adapted to the black dock and I do feel some admiration for
the sleek 
designing. I like the stationary in Mail and I love the Spaces
feature and 
other things that someone here wrote was just cosmetic stuff, which
I agree. 

My biggest complaint, and for me its a big deal, is that I suspect
that on 
my Macbook Pro where my hands on directly on the machine, Leopard runs
hotter than Tiger. 

I bought Leopard primarily because of Time Machine. As a writer,
even ten 
minutes of lost work can be major, like an artist losing carefully
laid down 
brush strokes. But within a few minutes of using it, I unplugged it,
realizing that that I'd have been smarter to take the time to use a
$20 
flash drive every so often because, with Time Machine running, the
computer 
heats up a lot more, driving me nuts when I am trying to focus on
creative 
work with that irritating noise of the fan running and from the
heat on my 
palms. 

I'm sure Apple will come along with fixes for the bugs and that
over time 
I'll adapt to the changes, but as someone who is not computer savvy
and can 
only review from a superficial level, at this point, I can't say
getting 
Leopard was worth the price.

Roses 




On 11/2/07 10:19 AM, "Russ & Marilyn Carlson" <marruss at crosspaths.net>
wrote: 

> I don't know if anyone is interested given the recent reports but
> Leopard is on sale at CompUSA for the next two days Friday and
> Saturday.  It is selling for $109.99 a $20.00 reduction.  Des Moines
> Register Nov. 2  page 3A.
> 
> Russ 
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