From vlh at herringlaw.com  Thu Mar  1 11:51:45 2007
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu Mar  1 11:52:13 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] publication that may be of interest  ref Aperture
Message-ID: <p06240854c20cc2c56456@[192.168.0.4]>

http://insideaperture.com/Site/AdjustmentToolGuide.html

downloadable chapter but request for purchase of book at $10 = Wonder 
how to to really make use of the Levels Tool?  What about using Lift 
& Stamp for only one IPTC field or adjustment?  How can you get the 
most out of Edge Sharpen?  Whatever your question about Aperture's 
powerful but sometimes cryptic Adjustment Tools, you've come to the 
right spot.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research, 
planning & Photography site and blog, 
<http://www.JourneyZing.com/blog>;  Des Moines, Iowa, ph.515-255-4475.
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From lists at herringlaw.com  Thu Mar  1 12:13:58 2007
From: lists at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu Mar  1 12:14:29 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Minutes of Feb. 27 meeting
In-Reply-To: <p06240611c20aaed4e316@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <p06240611c20aaed4e316@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <p06240858c20cc7db958a@[192.168.0.4]>

another program mentioned by me was TidyUp by Hyperbolic Software. 
It'll let you do boolean searches for items on a number of categories 
in a variety of locales and find duplicates and then when found, burn 
to disk, move, copy, trash, export etc....VERY useful on a blizzardy 
day like today when cleaning up the computer seems like a good idea.
>
>One is SLife which displays how the computer has been used. 
>Basically a time management tool.
>
>Applejack was mentioned as tool used when booting with the command 
>key and "s" pressed. It will do some helpful maintenance from the 
>command line.
>
>OnyX is used to do some maintenance tasks and to configure the system.
>
>ChatFX adds some elements to iChat including tabs to keep track of 
>several chats at the same time.
>
>Cepstral Voices adds voices to the speech function of Apple.
>
>Mighty Mouse allows the user to customize the mouse.
>
Growl notifies the user about what is happening with the programs on 
their computer.

-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research, 
planning & Photography site and blog, 
<http://www.JourneyZing.com/blog>;  Des Moines, Iowa, ph.515-255-4475.
From lists at herringlaw.com  Thu Mar  1 12:51:31 2007
From: lists at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu Mar  1 13:37:30 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Another piece of freeware = Spotinside
Message-ID: <p0624085bc20cd0d5afeb@[192.168.0.4]>

http://www.oneriver.jp/SpotInside/index.html

?T?v What is SpotInside?

SpotInside is a utility software that searches 
documents, and shows previews of their contents 
with keywords highlighted.


SpotInside supports all formats whose metadata importers have been installed.

???? Description
Mac OS X 10.4
Spotlight was introduced in Mac OS X Tiger. 
Spotlight can search the local hard drive and it 
is great!  However, Spotlight only displays a 
list of the files that contain the query keyword. 
Users must open each file to see what it is and 
how the keyword is used in the file.  That's 
ridiculous and I think Apple should improve this 
bad user experience.  That's why I made this 
small software, SpotInside, which shows its 
contents just by clicking the result list and it 
highlights the keyword as well.

-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, 
<http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research, 
planning & Photography site and blog, 
<http://www.JourneyZing.com/blog>;  Des Moines, 
Iowa, ph.515-255-4475.
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From lists at herringlaw.com  Thu Mar  1 16:43:30 2007
From: lists at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu Mar  1 16:43:56 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Put your thinking caps on....
Message-ID: <p0624080fc20d072b6c33@[192.168.0.4]>

I'm talking to Ray, Holly and whoever else wants to try to schedule 
the meeting next week and we'd love to have input from folks as to 
topics, ideas for programs, concerns etc....right now we're looking 
at 5pm some evening, 7pm probably on Monday evening, maybe breakfast 
coffee....if anyone has any thoughts on any of this, please email me 
or the list.

Stay warm.
-- 
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blog, <http://www.JourneyZing.com> [NEW: Athens/Greece Trip Report] ; 
Gallery at http://victoriajz.smugmug.com.  The latest 3Women News: 
http://web.mac.com/victoriaherring/iWeb/ThreeWomen/
From maccelerate at earthlink.net  Thu Mar  1 20:04:31 2007
From: maccelerate at earthlink.net (Matthew W.)
Date: Thu Mar  1 20:04:43 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] OnyX
In-Reply-To: <DF9BCFA2-0024-40FA-A4D5-5560EA064661@dwx.com>
References: C20ADBE6.47B7A%jlagnese@gmail.com<12247519-0361-4F36-80C4-884942375A25@dwx.com>p0624083bc20be0a26372@[192.168.0.4]<C6
	DEE549-88CD-4929-BCB6-EAC8E950E74F@dwx.com>
	0C6D5663-0BE1-4CF2-926A-0EB4A946C294@mac-consultant.com
	<DF9BCFA2-0024-40FA-A4D5-5560EA064661@dwx.com>
Message-ID: <42401FF5-B080-47BC-8A24-BD2D3E8E50E5@earthlink.net>


On Feb 28, 2007, at 10:11 PM, John Kisner wrote:

>
> I ran Disk Utility to Verify Disk, and it gave me a couple of  
> errors that required a boot from CD to try to fix.  That took care  
> of one of the errors, but there was one (related to the "Leaf")  
> that it could not take care of.  I'll try to search around for some  
> better disk repair software when I get a chance.  Perhaps it's all  
> been related to the disk error, which was exacerbated by some of  
> the Onyx routines.

Disk Warrior.

Matthew

From lists at herringlaw.com  Fri Mar  2 09:14:08 2007
From: lists at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Fri Mar  2 09:14:38 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Dr. Mac's Guide to Backing Up Your Mac -- The Mac
	Observer
Message-ID: <p06240830c20dee0f8a71@[192.168.0.4]>

>
>http://www.macobserver.com/tmoguides/backup/
--
might be of interest to many/all...I'm enjoying the blizzard by 
rethinking how i do my backups = though I really rely on and tout 
SuperDuper, I need to think about what I back up and where more than 
how, really.

There's also an excellent eBook out in the TidBits/Take Control 
series on backing up. Plus some sort of sale of batches of ebooks...

http://www.takecontrolbooks.com
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research, 
planning & Photography site and blog, 
<http://www.JourneyZing.com/blog>;  Des Moines, Iowa, ph.515-255-4475.
From vlh at herringlaw.com  Fri Mar  2 10:55:56 2007
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Fri Mar  2 10:56:31 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Meeting of Anyone Who Wants to Come on Monday night...
Message-ID: <p06240842c20e066f40ef@[192.168.0.4]>

In order to get things going, I've reserved the meeting room at 
Caribou Coffee on Ingersoll [http://www.cariboucoffee.com] for 8pm on 
Monday night the 5th.  It's really a Board meeting but anyone and 
everyone who is interested in programs, ideas, how to organize etc., 
should come and attend.  I'd like to focus on:  programs, what people 
want to get out of the group, resources available to the group etc.

We are a recognized MUG and Apple has lots of goodies we can access, 
and I hope to find out more and get that info out to everyone.

So:  Board members come, and anyone else who might have ideas and 
input == I promise we won't meet more than 1 hour but we do have the 
room until 10:00 pm for kibbitzing etc.  And it has WiFi there!!!


NOTE:  If you can't make it but want to contribute, email me with 
your ideas and thoughts...maybe we can do an iChat?
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research, 
planning & Photography site and blog, 
<http://www.JourneyZing.com/blog>;  Des Moines, Iowa, ph.515-255-4475.
From darcybaston at mac.com  Fri Mar  2 11:03:10 2007
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Fri Mar  2 11:03:37 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Dr. Mac's Guide to Backing Up Your Mac -- The Mac
	Observer
In-Reply-To: <p06240830c20dee0f8a71@[192.168.0.4]>
References: <p06240830c20dee0f8a71@[192.168.0.4]>
Message-ID: <98E5F125-54B8-4934-8198-2220312C5B52@mac.com>

I use 4 drives:

In G5, 2 x 160GB SATA:
-Main (daily use, boot volume) (can't encrypt, music production)
-Backup-Main (encryption would be silly considering Main isn't)

External, 2 x 250GB FW:
-Archive (downloads, media, iTunes library) (plan to encrypt)
-Backup-Archive (plan to encrypt)

I have two schedules set for SuperDuper:
1-Copy Main to Backup
2-Copy Archive to Backup-Archive

I leave Backup and Backup-Archive unmounted at all times so Spotlight  
ignores them. SuperDuper mounts and dismounts them wonderfully.

When I need to grow my storage, I can choose to upgrade the internals  
in the G5, or the externals. My next planned upgrade is to use RAID  
to concatenate the two 250GB drives into one 500GB volume, and then  
use those as the backup for a new 500GB single drive. I'm choosing to  
use the RAID combo as the backup, because they'll be slower and noisier.

Those 4 drives hold all my data, including copies of commercial CDs/ 
DVDs in case I damage those. The one thing I'm missing, is offsite  
storage. I also need to not copy files to the Archive drives  
directly, and instead use big disk images that I can encrypt in the  
event the drives are stolen. I don't know if I can get SuperDuper to  
mount encrypted .DMG files automatically though. I may have to script  
and rsync.

So that's my what and my how. Hope it gives ideas. If anyone knows  
how to do what I'm doing better, let me know in case I can simplify?  
Thanks!

Darcy

On Mar 2, 2007, at 9:14 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

>
> http://www.macobserver.com/tmoguides/backup/
--
might be of interest to many/all...I'm enjoying the blizzard by  
rethinking how i do my backups = though I really rely on and tout  
SuperDuper, I need to think about what I back up and where more than  
how, really.
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From lists at herringlaw.com  Fri Mar  2 11:33:50 2007
From: lists at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Fri Mar  2 11:34:27 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Dr. Mac's Guide to Backing Up Your Mac -- The
	Mac 	Observer
In-Reply-To: <98E5F125-54B8-4934-8198-2220312C5B52@mac.com>
References: <p06240830c20dee0f8a71@[192.168.0.4]>
	<98E5F125-54B8-4934-8198-2220312C5B52@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p06240848c20e0f56571c@[192.168.0.4]>

That sounds good = my problem is that I have almost too many choices, 
but that is because I have varying needs

1.  My G5 is SmartCloned each night to an external FW drive
2.  I use Backup to do the ADdressBook and iCal thing etc.
3.  I have Aperture on my 2nd G5 drive [Seagate 500] and 'save' the 
vaults to a WiebeTech two tray [250G each] Silver SATA so I can when 
the lst tray is full, move it out to archival storage and replace it 
with another 250G or 500G drive/tray....
4.  I have my iTunes Music Library on an external drive and it's 
about 43G and I need to decide whether to clone or copy that as well, 
although I have at times burned disks of the purchased items. 
Reimporting my CD collection would be a royal pain.
5.  I have photos also scattered around = I'm trying to discipline 
myself to putting them all in Aperture Libraries and working off or 
saving them but haven't been able to do that yet...

Right now I have too many options going on and would like to 
streamline things and limit the number of external FW drives that I 
use, but that's not something I've figured out yet.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research, 
planning & Photography site and blog, 
<http://www.JourneyZing.com/blog>;  Des Moines, Iowa, ph.515-255-4475.
From darcybaston at mac.com  Fri Mar  2 11:50:49 2007
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Fri Mar  2 11:51:19 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Dr. Mac's Guide to Backing Up Your Mac -- The	Mac
	Observer
In-Reply-To: <p06240848c20e0f56571c@[192.168.0.4]>
References: <p06240830c20dee0f8a71@[192.168.0.4]>
	<98E5F125-54B8-4934-8198-2220312C5B52@mac.com>
	<p06240848c20e0f56571c@[192.168.0.4]>
Message-ID: <E81AF1C6-8639-41D2-A533-D259746AC886@mac.com>

Because of #1, you can skip #2. I used to do that and found it gave  
me no benefit.

I'd keep the iTunes library on #3. Since you have two trays, I'd use  
a 500GB tray to be a daily backup for for Seagate (current photos and  
iTunes), and a second tray for the vault archiving (photo archive only).

I do "vault moving" type things with iVew catalogs, but I only  
archive full years of work. 2006, 2007 etc. That way I know which  
catalog to dive into, because memory easily recalls, "oh, that was  
last year or two years ago" for me. I keep the current  year's  
archive on my internal G5 drive (the boot one), and move the year's  
worth of photos to Archive (external) on January 1st (+- a few days)  
every year.

And yeah, consolidate those scattered photos onto the Seagate to  
later move into archival vaults. Another reason for my 'annual  
archive' approach is because at one point I did get into  
consolidating, scanning, etc., and I found it easier to know where to  
put them just by what year they were taken.

Darcy

On Mar 2, 2007, at 11:33 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

That sounds good = my problem is that I have almost too many choices,  
but that is because I have varying needs

1.  My G5 is SmartCloned each night to an external FW drive
2.  I use Backup to do the ADdressBook and iCal thing etc.
3.  I have Aperture on my 2nd G5 drive [Seagate 500] and 'save' the  
vaults to a WiebeTech two tray [250G each] Silver SATA so I can when  
the lst tray is full, move it out to archival storage and replace it  
with another 250G or 500G drive/tray....
4.  I have my iTunes Music Library on an external drive and it's  
about 43G and I need to decide whether to clone or copy that as well,  
although I have at times burned disks of the purchased items.  
Reimporting my CD collection would be a royal pain.
5.  I have photos also scattered around = I'm trying to discipline  
myself to putting them all in Aperture Libraries and working off or  
saving them but haven't been able to do that yet...

Right now I have too many options going on and would like to  
streamline things and limit the number of external FW drives that I  
use, but that's not something I've figured out yet.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination &  
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research,  
planning & Photography site and blog, <http://www.JourneyZing.com/ 
blog>;  Des Moines, Iowa, ph.515-255-4475.
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From hfwelch at mac.com  Fri Mar  2 14:59:53 2007
From: hfwelch at mac.com (Holly Welch)
Date: Fri Mar  2 15:00:23 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Program Ideas
Message-ID: <F24DB2F8-FF0C-4B8B-825F-F43D10985A81@mac.com>

I know we have many of you out there who keep up with all the online  
conversations, and we would like ideas from everyone! It might even  
help us get more people attending!

Please email me on or off line with any ideas or interests!

Holly Welch
From lists at herringlaw.com  Fri Mar  2 15:58:09 2007
From: lists at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Fri Mar  2 15:58:42 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Ideas are flowing...
Message-ID: <p06240812c20e4cbfbbd2@[192.168.0.4]>

This is a place I'll be checking out == 
http://www.apple.com/usergroups/  = to see what we can 'rake in'

Ideas so far have included:  presentations and discussions of the use 
of programs [iWeb, Keynote, QuickTime & QuickTime Pro and why would 
someone want to upgrade to Pro, or not, favorite shareware, tips 
everyone has, a few social meetings to break the ice, maybe a 
switcher focused meeting?]

We'll discuss these and a host of other ideas and hope to see as many 
people there as can make it = 8pm on Monday the 5th of March...
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research, 
planning & Photography site and blog, 
<http://www.JourneyZing.com/blog>;  Des Moines, Iowa, ph.515-255-4475.
From ka_klick at mac.com  Fri Mar  2 16:28:37 2007
From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker)
Date: Fri Mar  2 16:29:06 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Ideas are flowing...
In-Reply-To: <p06240812c20e4cbfbbd2@[192.168.0.4]>
References: <p06240812c20e4cbfbbd2@[192.168.0.4]>
Message-ID: <686C8E88-8928-4861-81AD-FCAC1AFCA4D6@mac.com>

We are already registered w/ Apple, we just need to change some info  
on the site.

On Mar 2, 2007, at 3:58 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
> This is a place I'll be checking out == http://www.apple.com/ 
> usergroups/  = to see what we can 'rake in'
>
> Ideas so far have included:  presentations and discussions of the  
> use of programs [iWeb, Keynote, QuickTime & QuickTime Pro and why  
> would someone want to upgrade to Pro, or not, favorite shareware,  
> tips everyone has, a few social meetings to break the ice, maybe a  
> switcher focused meeting?]
>
> We'll discuss these and a host of other ideas and hope to see as  
> many people there as can make it = 8pm on Monday the 5th of March...
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination &  
> Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research,  
> planning & Photography site and blog, <http://www.JourneyZing.com/ 
> blog>;  Des Moines, Iowa, ph.515-255-4475.
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From vlh at herringlaw.com  Sat Mar  3 12:22:47 2007
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sat Mar  3 12:27:31 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] More Spotlight info
Message-ID: <p06240844c20f6c6f29e8@[192.168.0.4]>

I'm trying out various Spotlight addons or alternatives and haven't 
settled on any yet [Laserlight and Spotinside are free] and found 
this discussion at ATPM with three other alternatives mentioned...not 
sure actually that I like any of the 5 at first blush, but I haven't 
given each a fair long trial = I like Laserlight's speed but it's 
limited, Spotinside takes longer but is thorough [I think]

>
>http://www.atpm.com/13.03/e-mail.shtml
>
>
>MoRU 1.3.4
>Just to mention-two other similar apps are Meta and HoudahSpot.
>MoRU seems pretty capable though (trying it out now), and is the 
>cheapest-the others are $20 each. The pre-built search templates in 
>Moru seem pretty useful, and not just a gimmick (Office files, 
>iTunes music, etc.)
>-Steve Lang
>* * *
>The thing I most like about MoRU is that you can perform tasks 
>against the search result. Spotlight searches provide the result, 
>but you can't do anything from the Spotlight window-it is a 
>read-only function. MoRU, I can delete, move files, rename, etc.
>So, all the power of Spotlight, plus the ability to actually do some 
>file maintenance with the results.
>-Kirk Rheinlander
>
>-


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From lists at herringlaw.com  Sat Mar  3 17:49:27 2007
From: lists at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sat Mar  3 17:50:31 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] None in Iowa, but if you travel this might be a good idea
Message-ID: <p06240809c20fb9f45529@[192.168.0.4]>

>
>CompUSA has posted a list of stores that are closing in
>the next 60 to 90 days. The list names 126 stores, which is more
>than half of all CompUSA stores.
>
>Liquidation sales are coming to each closing store.
>
><<http://www.compusa.com/locations/closing_stores.asp>http://www.compusa.com/locations/closing_stores.asp>
>

-- 
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Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research, 
planning & Photography site and blog, 
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From ka_klick at mac.com  Sat Mar  3 18:09:22 2007
From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker)
Date: Sat Mar  3 18:09:49 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] None in Iowa, but if you travel this might be a good idea
In-Reply-To: <p06240809c20fb9f45529@[192.168.0.4]>
References: <p06240809c20fb9f45529@[192.168.0.4]>
Message-ID: <FF06D1B6-F600-40AA-9F5E-077BE384449C@mac.com>

Well, looks like Iowa made it past this cut.
They're probably getting rid of mostly duplicate stores that serve  
overlapping areas, but it is a huge cut.

On Mar 3, 2007, at 5:49 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
>> CompUSA has posted a list of stores that are closing in
>> the next 60 to 90 days. The list names 126 stores, which is more
>> than half of all CompUSA stores.
>>
>> Liquidation sales are coming to each closing store.
>> <http://www.compusa.com/locations/closing_stores.asp>
>
> --
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination &  
> Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research,  
> planning & Photography site and blog, <http://www.JourneyZing.com/ 
> blog>;  Des Moines, Iowa, ph.515-255-4475.
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From lists at herringlaw.com  Sat Mar  3 18:20:26 2007
From: lists at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sat Mar  3 18:20:57 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] None in Iowa, but if you travel this might be a good idea
In-Reply-To: <FF06D1B6-F600-40AA-9F5E-077BE384449C@mac.com>
References: <p06240809c20fb9f45529@[192.168.0.4]>
	<FF06D1B6-F600-40AA-9F5E-077BE384449C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p0624080ac20fc0fffbd5@[192.168.0.4]>

You're right...it's probably where there are 2+ stores in a certain 
geographic area and they can't sustain the population....sounds like 
CompUSA is pulling back and regrouping...glad ours survived if only 
because there aren't many similar alternatives out there fairly 
close...
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research, 
planning & Photography site and blog, 
<http://www.JourneyZing.com/blog>;  Des Moines, Iowa, ph.515-255-4475.
From kristau at gmail.com  Sun Mar  4 13:21:59 2007
From: kristau at gmail.com (kristau)
Date: Sun Mar  4 13:22:23 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Dr. Mac's Guide to Backing Up Your Mac -- The Mac
	Observer
In-Reply-To: <E81AF1C6-8639-41D2-A533-D259746AC886@mac.com>
References: <p06240830c20dee0f8a71@192.168.0.4>
	<98E5F125-54B8-4934-8198-2220312C5B52@mac.com>
	<p06240848c20e0f56571c@192.168.0.4>
	<E81AF1C6-8639-41D2-A533-D259746AC886@mac.com>
Message-ID: <3effba680703041121l6ced1e4dkef4dcf846cb0ab85@mail.gmail.com>

Since we are sharing backup strategies, here's mine:

I do not back up the System or Applications folders, just my User
folder and various detachable media such as a USB flash drive and a
small external hard drive.  My reasoning is I can re-install the OS
and applications from discs or downloads.  Because this is my home
system, time to restore is not as critical as it would be for a
business or production system.

I come from more of a linux background, so I'm utilizing the built-in
rsync utility to script my backups.  I've written a series of small
backup scripts in bash for each target I want to back up.  I then have
a "master script" that calls each of these scripts in turn.  Here's a
simple outline of what each of these scripts do:

Small backup scripts:
1) Check to see if the backup media (400 GB external USB HD) is
available.  Mount if available, exit if not.
2) rsync the target data to the correct place on the destination.
3) Unmount the backup media.

Master script:
1) Call the first script.
2) Run the compact process against the backup media (it is an
encrypted sparse image).
3) Call the second script.
4) Compact.
etc.

The compact process can be time-consuming, but it is necessary to pull
out any space freed up during the rsync process so the sparse image
doesn't outgrow the available space before the end of the backup.

My backups are not currently automated because I have a laptop, and it
is not always connected to the external hard drive (not really an
excuse,though).

Recently, I discovered a utility called RsyncX
(http://archive.macosxlabs.org/rsyncx/rsyncx.html) which appears to
provide a good front end for generating rsync scripts.  It also has
some built in scheduling and incremental backup features for
automating.  I've not played with it yet, but it looks promising.  It
appears to provide all the power (and then some) of rsync without
having to muck about with bash scripts like I did.  Perhaps I can give
a presentation on it once I've had a chance to thoroughly run it
through its paces.

On a different note, I enjoyed attending the February meeting, and I
plan on trying to make it to more meetings in the future.

thanks,
kristau
-- 
Tired programmer
Coding late into the night
The core dump follows

My GNUPG public key is available at http://www.kristau.net/public_key.asc
From lists at herringlaw.com  Sun Mar  4 13:42:51 2007
From: lists at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sun Mar  4 13:43:26 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Dr. Mac's Guide to Backing Up Your Mac -- The
	Mac 	Observer
In-Reply-To: <3effba680703041121l6ced1e4dkef4dcf846cb0ab85@mail.gmail.com>
References: <p06240830c20dee0f8a71@192.168.0.4>
	<98E5F125-54B8-4934-8198-2220312C5B52@mac.com>
	<p06240848c20e0f56571c@192.168.0.4>
	<E81AF1C6-8639-41D2-A533-D259746AC886@mac.com>
	<3effba680703041121l6ced1e4dkef4dcf846cb0ab85@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06240801c210cfd163f7@[192.168.1.6]>

Kristau, thanks for your outline of backing up = when you master 
RsyncX maybe you could present on it = we could have a meeting to 
deal with the Q of backing up perhaps.  [I did write an article about 
the issue about a year ago for a lawyer-focused magazine]

I do have a couple of Q arising out of your post and hope anyone who 
knows can answer

1.  is the System [OS X] folder so unimportant that it can be 
discarded/not backed up?  What's in it that might be worth 'saving'???

2.  I have backed up Applications mainly because I have alot of apps 
that it'd be a royal pain to reinstall...though you make a good point 
about that being possible.  One Caution however = there are some 
Apps. that have essential files inside their  Apps. folders and if 
you don't back those ones up, that could be a problem.

Many years ago I used Retrospect at my law office.  I had a tech guy 
help set up the schedule...He did not include the either the Apps or 
System folder [I forget now which].  We had a problem arise and I 
needed to recover two weeks worth of billing information 
[money!!!]....I couldn't because Retrospect was not set up to back up 
my Applications/System folder [this is OS9 I think] -- and Timeslips 
had all its data in the Apps./System folder and it was not being 
backed up==  so I had to spend alot of time [as did staff] to 
re-create whatever time slips and expense items were appropriate for 
that lost two weeks.
As a result, I probably over-back up.

That is another reason I am taking some time to reconsider my actual 
strategy [I can use BAckup3 for some and SuperDuper for most, and 
have Silverkeeper for good measure].
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research, 
planning & Photography site and blog, 
<http://www.JourneyZing.com/blog>;  Des Moines, Iowa, ph.515-255-4475.
From rbowler at mchsi.com  Sun Mar  4 14:01:24 2007
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Sun Mar  4 14:01:49 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Dr. Mac's Guide to Backing Up Your Mac -- The
	Mac 	Observer
In-Reply-To: <3effba680703041121l6ced1e4dkef4dcf846cb0ab85@mail.gmail.com>
References: <p06240830c20dee0f8a71@192.168.0.4>
	<98E5F125-54B8-4934-8198-2220312C5B52@mac.com>
	<p06240848c20e0f56571c@192.168.0.4>
	<E81AF1C6-8639-41D2-A533-D259746AC886@mac.com>
	<3effba680703041121l6ced1e4dkef4dcf846cb0ab85@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06240608c210d418633b@[10.0.1.3]>

kristau,


Yours is a good backup strategy and on my wife's I have one routine 
which she can use whenever she wants to do so. I use Intego's 
Personal Backup for this one.

Still I like a full clone done once a week using SD and then I can 
boot from it. The big negative is that even when doing a backup which 
just synchs it can take a while. Also you have to have large drives 
for the backups when you make two or three.  The big positive is that 
when her HD went south I was able to switch to the clone to operate 
for a few days.

At 1:21 PM -0600 3/4/07, kristau wrote:
>Since we are sharing backup strategies, here's mine:
>
>I do not back up the System or Applications folders, just my User
>folder and various detachable media such as a USB flash drive and a
>small external hard drive.  My reasoning is I can re-install the OS
>and applications from discs or downloads.  Because this is my home
>system, time to restore is not as critical as it would be for a
>business or production system.

-- 
Ray Bowler

rbowler.home.mchsi.com
From kristau at gmail.com  Sun Mar  4 14:02:11 2007
From: kristau at gmail.com (kristau)
Date: Sun Mar  4 14:02:42 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Dr. Mac's Guide to Backing Up Your Mac -- The Mac
	Observer
In-Reply-To: <p06240801c210cfd163f7@192.168.1.6>
References: <p06240830c20dee0f8a71@192.168.0.4>
	<98E5F125-54B8-4934-8198-2220312C5B52@mac.com>
	<p06240848c20e0f56571c@192.168.0.4>
	<E81AF1C6-8639-41D2-A533-D259746AC886@mac.com>
	<3effba680703041121l6ced1e4dkef4dcf846cb0ab85@mail.gmail.com>
	<p06240801c210cfd163f7@192.168.1.6>
Message-ID: <3effba680703041202q18c893a7v908c54bbffddde64@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/4/07, Victoria L. Herring <lists@herringlaw.com> wrote:
> I do have a couple of Q arising out of your post and hope anyone who
> knows can answer
>
> 1.  is the System [OS X] folder so unimportant that it can be
> discarded/not backed up?  What's in it that might be worth 'saving'???

I don't have enough experience with OS X itself to know for certain,
but I believe the main things you miss by not backing up the System
folder are any updates and patches that were applied to the OS.  For a
production or business system, a backup of System will save you the
time needed to re-apply all OS patches and updates.  If I'm missing
something critical by not backing up System, perhaps I should start
backing it up?

> 2.  I have backed up Applications mainly because I have alot of apps
> that it'd be a royal pain to reinstall...though you make a good point
> about that being possible.  One Caution however = there are some
> Apps. that have essential files inside their  Apps. folders and if
> you don't back those ones up, that could be a problem.

Certainly any applications which require the entry of  a license key
or require some sort of online activation which places data under
Applications proving you have rights to the software will benefit from
a back up.  On my system, 99% of the software I use came bundled with
the OS or is Free Open Source Software.  The only licensed software
I've purchased so far is Parallels Desktop and EyeTV (for my EyeTV
hybrid).  Also, most applications should place their custom settings
under the /User folders so that each user can have their own setup,
but some system-wide settings may be stored under /Applications.

thanks,
Kenneth Ristau (aka kristau)
-- 
Tired programmer
Coding late into the night
The core dump follows

My GNUPG public key is available at http://www.kristau.net/public_key.asc
From kristau at gmail.com  Sun Mar  4 14:24:16 2007
From: kristau at gmail.com (kristau)
Date: Sun Mar  4 14:24:40 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Dr. Mac's Guide to Backing Up Your Mac -- The Mac
	Observer
In-Reply-To: <p06240608c210d418633b@10.0.1.3>
References: <p06240830c20dee0f8a71@192.168.0.4>
	<98E5F125-54B8-4934-8198-2220312C5B52@mac.com>
	<p06240848c20e0f56571c@192.168.0.4>
	<E81AF1C6-8639-41D2-A533-D259746AC886@mac.com>
	<3effba680703041121l6ced1e4dkef4dcf846cb0ab85@mail.gmail.com>
	<p06240608c210d418633b@10.0.1.3>
Message-ID: <3effba680703041224x2b74ffa2sd83518d107831469@mail.gmail.com>

RsyncX, I believe, can help reduce the amount of backup drive space
needed.  It uses hard linking to make incremental backups of your
data.  This means you can have several backup rotations which appear
to be full backups, but actually consist of links to the files that
have not changed since the last backup, plus the files which have
changed.

For example, say you have two files and a 7 day backup rotation,
starting on Sunday.  Let us say "File One" changes on Tuesday and
Thursday and "File Two" changes every day.

By the end of the week, there are only three copies of "File One" on
your backup media -- the original taken on Sunday, one taken on
Tuesday and one taken on Thursday.  There are 7 copies of "File Two"
at the end of the week -- one for each day it changed.

In the folder for Monday's backup, the "copy" of "File One" that
appears there is actually a link back to the file taken on Sunday.  In
Friday's backup folder, "File One" links back to Thursday's version.
That way, you don't have multiple, identical copies taking up space on
your backup.  Of course, in every day's backup folder, there is a
different copy of "File Two" because it changed every day.

This can greatly reduce the amount of storage space needed --
especially when backing up folders like /System and /Applications
which do not often change.  Depending on how much "change" takes place
over the course of your rotation and how long of a history you keep,
you could get by with an external backup drive which is only 150% to
200% the size of the data you need to back up.

On 3/4/07, Ray Bowler <rbowler@mchsi.com> wrote:
> kristau,
>
>
> Yours is a good backup strategy and on my wife's I have one routine
> which she can use whenever she wants to do so. I use Intego's
> Personal Backup for this one.
>
> Still I like a full clone done once a week using SD and then I can
> boot from it. The big negative is that even when doing a backup which
> just synchs it can take a while. Also you have to have large drives
> for the backups when you make two or three.  The big positive is that
> when her HD went south I was able to switch to the clone to operate
> for a few days.
>
> At 1:21 PM -0600 3/4/07, kristau wrote:
> >Since we are sharing backup strategies, here's mine:
> >
> >I do not back up the System or Applications folders, just my User
> >folder and various detachable media such as a USB flash drive and a
> >small external hard drive.  My reasoning is I can re-install the OS
> >and applications from discs or downloads.  Because this is my home
> >system, time to restore is not as critical as it would be for a
> >business or production system.
>
> --
> Ray Bowler
>
> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
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Coding late into the night
The core dump follows

My GNUPG public key is available at http://www.kristau.net/public_key.asc
From darcybaston at mac.com  Sun Mar  4 15:25:46 2007
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Sun Mar  4 15:26:12 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Dr. Mac's Guide to Backing Up Your Mac -- The Mac
	Observer
In-Reply-To: <3effba680703041121l6ced1e4dkef4dcf846cb0ab85@mail.gmail.com>
References: <p06240830c20dee0f8a71@192.168.0.4>
	<98E5F125-54B8-4934-8198-2220312C5B52@mac.com>
	<p06240848c20e0f56571c@192.168.0.4>
	<E81AF1C6-8639-41D2-A533-D259746AC886@mac.com>
	<3effba680703041121l6ced1e4dkef4dcf846cb0ab85@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51790397-AAC6-4921-A078-C9B5F6E8AF7E@mac.com>

I hate losing time to a computer, which is why I have a Mac, and why  
my daily backups are always a full exact clone. That way when  
something goes, I reboot on the backup media and I'm back where I  
was. For me it's not about uptime, it's about human time. :)

Darcy

On Mar 4, 2007, at 1:21 PM, kristau wrote:

Since we are sharing backup strategies, here's mine:

I do not back up the System or Applications folders, just my User
folder and various detachable media such as a USB flash drive and a
small external hard drive.  My reasoning is I can re-install the OS
and applications from discs or downloads.  Because this is my home
system, time to restore is not as critical as it would be for a
business or production system.
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From kristau at gmail.com  Sun Mar  4 20:46:10 2007
From: kristau at gmail.com (kristau)
Date: Sun Mar  4 20:46:35 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Dr. Mac's Guide to Backing Up Your Mac -- The Mac
	Observer
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On 3/4/07, Darcy Baston <darcybaston@mac.com> wrote:
> I hate losing time to a computer, which is why I have a Mac, and why
> my daily backups are always a full exact clone. That way when
> something goes, I reboot on the backup media and I'm back where I
> was. For me it's not about uptime, it's about human time. :)
>
> Darcy

That's definitely why I am liking the Mac platform better every day.
I just have to wean myself of my tendency to do things the hard way.
I LOVE do do things the hard way (if you couldn't tell already).

With RsyncX I want to see if I can set up a daily incremental backup
with a weekly or monthly clone -- then test it out with a full,
bare-metal restore.  If I can get that to work, it would be the best
of both worlds.


later,
kristau
-- 
Tired programmer
Coding late into the night
The core dump follows

My GNUPG public key is available at http://www.kristau.net/public_key.asc
From rbowler at mchsi.com  Mon Mar  5 07:02:56 2007
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Mon Mar  5 07:03:21 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Dr. Mac's Guide to Backing Up Your Mac -- The
	Mac 	Observer
In-Reply-To: <3effba680703041846j288a1298ya697523a861074ff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <p06240830c20dee0f8a71@192.168.0.4>
	<98E5F125-54B8-4934-8198-2220312C5B52@mac.com>
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	<E81AF1C6-8639-41D2-A533-D259746AC886@mac.com>
	<3effba680703041121l6ced1e4dkef4dcf846cb0ab85@mail.gmail.com>
	<51790397-AAC6-4921-A078-C9B5F6E8AF7E@mac.com>
	<3effba680703041846j288a1298ya697523a861074ff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p0624060bc211c54fec43@[10.0.1.3]>

Your plan looks interesting. Let us know how it works in practice.

At 8:46 PM -0600 3/4/07, kristau wrote:
>On 3/4/07, Darcy Baston <darcybaston@mac.com> wrote:
>>I hate losing time to a computer, which is why I have a Mac, and why
>>my daily backups are always a full exact clone. That way when
>>something goes, I reboot on the backup media and I'm back where I
>>was. For me it's not about uptime, it's about human time. :)
>>
>>Darcy
>
>That's definitely why I am liking the Mac platform better every day.
>I just have to wean myself of my tendency to do things the hard way.
>I LOVE do do things the hard way (if you couldn't tell already).
>
>With RsyncX I want to see if I can set up a daily incremental backup
>with a weekly or monthly clone -- then test it out with a full,
>bare-metal restore.  If I can get that to work, it would be the best
>of both worlds.
>
>
>later,
>kristau
>--
>Tired programmer
>Coding late into the night
>The core dump follows
>
>My GNUPG public key is available at http://www.kristau.net/public_key.asc
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From darcybaston at mac.com  Mon Mar  5 07:44:41 2007
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Mon Mar  5 07:45:09 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Dr. Mac's Guide to Backing Up Your Mac -- The	Mac
	Observer
In-Reply-To: <p0624060bc211c54fec43@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <p06240830c20dee0f8a71@192.168.0.4>
	<98E5F125-54B8-4934-8198-2220312C5B52@mac.com>
	<p06240848c20e0f56571c@192.168.0.4>
	<E81AF1C6-8639-41D2-A533-D259746AC886@mac.com>
	<3effba680703041121l6ced1e4dkef4dcf846cb0ab85@mail.gmail.com>
	<51790397-AAC6-4921-A078-C9B5F6E8AF7E@mac.com>
	<3effba680703041846j288a1298ya697523a861074ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<p0624060bc211c54fec43@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <08140106-46FA-44A6-A317-2093DC3EDE55@mac.com>

Oh, I've rehearsed it several times. A backup is worthless without  
testing the recovery process. Holding down the option key at boot  
time is all it takes to switch to the backup.

Darcy

On Mar 5, 2007, at 7:02 AM, Ray Bowler wrote:

Your plan looks interesting. Let us know how it works in practice.

At 8:46 PM -0600 3/4/07, kristau wrote:
> On 3/4/07, Darcy Baston <darcybaston@mac.com> wrote:
>> I hate losing time to a computer, which is why I have a Mac, and why
>> my daily backups are always a full exact clone. That way when
>> something goes, I reboot on the backup media and I'm back where I
>> was. For me it's not about uptime, it's about human time. :)
>>
>> Darcy
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From lists at herringlaw.com  Mon Mar  5 08:25:20 2007
From: lists at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Mon Mar  5 08:37:07 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Meeting of Anyone Who Wants to Come on Monday night...
Message-ID: <p0624081dc211d8be7c2c@[192.168.0.4]>

REMINDER:     In order to get things going, I've reserved the meeting 
room at Caribou Coffee on Ingersoll [http://www.cariboucoffee.com] 
for 8pm on Monday night the 5th.  It's really a Board meeting but 
anyone and everyone who is interested in programs, ideas, how to 
organize etc., should come and attend.  I'd like to focus on: 
programs, what people want to get out of the group, resources 
available to the group etc.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research, 
planning & Photography site and blog, 
<http://www.JourneyZing.com/blog>;  Des Moines, Iowa, ph.515-255-4475.
From ka_klick at mac.com  Mon Mar  5 12:19:07 2007
From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker)
Date: Mon Mar  5 12:19:42 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Meeting of Anyone Who Wants to Come on Monday night...
In-Reply-To: <p0624081dc211d8be7c2c@[192.168.0.4]>
References: <p0624081dc211d8be7c2c@[192.168.0.4]>
Message-ID: <C39AEDE8-5BCC-4365-9935-862B2C081458@mac.com>

Not sure if I'll be able to make it, but I may try.
In the mean time, if all the new slate of officers would please send  
me (offlist) the email they want their officer account to forward to,  
I can make the changes. You may wish to use a somewhat disposable  
account (.mac's email lets you have disposable aliases) or make sure  
the spam filtering you have on that account is pretty good, since the  
aliases have been around (and published on the site) for a while.


On Mar 5, 2007, at 8:25 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
> REMINDER:     In order to get things going, I've reserved the  
> meeting room at Caribou Coffee on Ingersoll [http:// 
> www.cariboucoffee.com] for 8pm on Monday night the 5th.  It's  
> really a Board meeting but anyone and everyone who is interested in  
> programs, ideas, how to organize etc., should come and attend.  I'd  
> like to focus on: programs, what people want to get out of the  
> group, resources available to the group etc.
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination &  
> Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research,  
> planning & Photography site and blog, <http://www.JourneyZing.com/ 
> blog>;  Des Moines, Iowa, ph.515-255-4475.
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From lists at herringlaw.com  Mon Mar  5 23:58:56 2007
From: lists at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue Mar  6 00:00:08 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] password
In-Reply-To: <C39AEDE8-5BCC-4365-9935-862B2C081458@mac.com>
References: <p0624081dc211d8be7c2c@[192.168.0.4]>
	<C39AEDE8-5BCC-4365-9935-862B2C081458@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p06240870c212b37cc193@[192.168.0.4]>

I need the password == someone emailed to join the listserve and I 
don't know how ot approve it.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research, 
planning & Photography site and blog, 
<http://www.JourneyZing.com/blog>;  Des Moines, Iowa, ph.515-255-4475.
From vlh at herringlaw.com  Tue Mar  6 05:29:46 2007
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue Mar  6 05:30:26 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Minutes of Board meeting on Monday night
Message-ID: <p06240800c21300ea4ed8@[192.168.1.104]>

Here are notes of what we discussed at our meeting.  Please feel free 
to comment, on or off list.  Thanks.

1.  Holly, Ray and I met from 8p-9p at Caribou Coffee;  we propose to 
meet at 7:00 pm on the Monday evening following the DM-MUG meeting, 
location and details to be determined.  If there was/is a way to do 
some sort of iChat or other group chat online we could look at that, 
but for the forseeable future we'll meet in person.

2.  Meetings of the group in full will continue to be held on the 4th 
Tuesday of the month as scheduled, as long as Haddock is fine with us 
using their location.  It would be nice if people would volunteer to 
bring snacks/goodies at times.

3.   We will start promptly at 7:00 pm with about a 15 minute 
introductory session where we'll go around the room, introduce 
ourselves and get to know each other, and everyone who wants to 
contribute a tip, URL, nifty keystroke, idea for a widget or 
whatever, can offer it to the group [minutes will summarize the 
information provided].  Then we will have two programs and questions 
will be dealt with as we go along.

4.    From  7:15 - 8:15 we will have a program on a set topic 
announced ahead of time.  Generally these  programs will focus on 
basic or beginning information about Macs, programs, etc.  Then from 
8:15 - 8:45pm we'll have a discussion of a topic that may be more 
advanced or demanding, and we'll then finish up with the last 15 
minutes open up to Q & A or mingling or small group meetings to 
discuss among ourselves what we have enjoyed about or learned from 
the meeting or to ask questions of the people who presented or have 
information to share.

5.  We should try to leave by 9:00 pm so Haddock personnel can also 
close up and go home.  People who present should bring a handout to 
the meeting or provide it to the secretary so he can send it out with 
the minutes.

6.  The person[s] who presented should either send out materials or 
handouts or provide them to the Secretary for him to send them out 
with his minutes.  The minutes after the meeting will review what 
went on and be sent to the full list and then even if people weren't 
able to attend, they could discuss and ask questions about the 
topics.  While it'd be great for as many people to come to meetings 
as possible, it's just not feasible and at least if we send out the 
minutes and handouts to the list, everyone can share and learn.

7.  Topics or ideas that seem to be of some interest [among many 
others] are:  use of iPhoto, iTunes, iChat, Garageband, TextEdit, 
Keynote, Pages, presentations, basic maintenance of your computer, 
security topics, backing up, using Photoshop Elements, using other 
programs,  holding a swap-meeting where people could bring things 
that they want to give away or exchange, tips and tricks of various 
keystrokes, Scanners and Printers and the Mac, iPod use and 
accessories, iWeb and making a website.  If anyone has ideas for more 
topics, or ideas for particular focuses of these topics [narrowing 
the topic so we can actually cover it in 30-45 minutes including 
demonstrations and Q & A] please send that information to me or to 
Holly [VP Programs] or the list if you like.

8.  Because we are a MUG, we have a number of benefits provided to us 
by Apple.   http://www.apple.com/usergroups/ .  We can have a free 
.Mac account, we individually can save money from various vendors 
[there are a number of deals and discounts noted on the Apple site], 
buy items from the Apple MUG Store and save money plus 1% goes back 
to the group, etc.  See also http://www.mugcenter.com.   We'll gather 
more information about these benefits and get it out to everyone as 
soon as we can.

9.  Holly is going to send out a poll to find out ideas of others 
about the above and other issues or topics.  Please send your 
responses directly to her via the link in the email.

Thanks much for 'listening' and we're looking forward to an exciting 
and productive year.  Victoria


-- 
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Travel planning & photography, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>
Gallery: http://victoriajz.smugmug.com/ - latest 
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From lists at herringlaw.com  Tue Mar  6 08:57:13 2007
From: lists at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue Mar  6 08:57:50 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] pMachine and Expression Engine - blogging
Message-ID: <p0624087bc21330fe2c36@[192.168.0.4]>

I have pMachine on my law firm website as a blog engine == 
unfortunately it went south and when you click on 'blog'  you get a 
page like this:


MySQL Error: 1033  Incorrect information in file: 
'./pmachine_herringlaw_com/pm_prefs.frm'
Query: SELECT pm_value FROM pm_prefs WHERE pm_option = 
'display_posts_by_weblog'

MySQL Error: 1033  Incorrect information in file: 
'./pmachine_herringlaw_com/pm_prefs.frm'
Query: SELECT pm_value FROM pm_prefs WHERE pm_option = 'posts_per_page_weblog'

I'd like to change over to either Expression Engine or Wordpress [or 
some other blog mechanism] but would want someone else to handle the 
techie part of it, since I think I might have caused the problem in 
the lst place.  I'd like to find out how much it would cost to fix 
the problem...I don't like pMachine but could go back to it..though I 
gather EE is much more modern.  I'm open, just need the problem fixed 
fairly inexpensively.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research, 
planning & Photography site and blog, 
<http://www.JourneyZing.com/blog>;  Des Moines, Iowa, ph.515-255-4475.
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From kristau at gmail.com  Tue Mar  6 11:18:49 2007
From: kristau at gmail.com (kristau)
Date: Tue Mar  6 11:19:18 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Minutes of Board meeting on Monday night
In-Reply-To: <p06240800c21300ea4ed8@192.168.1.104>
References: <p06240800c21300ea4ed8@192.168.1.104>
Message-ID: <3effba680703060918p1eec47f4mbdc8116813c654d7@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/6/07, Victoria L. Herring <vlh@herringlaw.com> wrote:
>
> Here are notes of what we discussed at our meeting.  Please feel free to
> comment, on or off list.  Thanks.

Looks great!

This may be a bit old-fashioned, but http://www.freenode.net offers
IRC services to user groups and such.  You can register an IRC channel
on their servers and conduct remote meetings from there.  I believe
iChat supports IRC connections.

later,
kristau
-- 
Tired programmer
Coding late into the night
The core dump follows

My GNUPG public key is available at http://www.kristau.net/public_key.asc
From ka_klick at mac.com  Tue Mar  6 11:47:08 2007
From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker)
Date: Tue Mar  6 11:47:44 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Minutes of Board meeting on Monday night
In-Reply-To: <3effba680703060918p1eec47f4mbdc8116813c654d7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <p06240800c21300ea4ed8@192.168.1.104>
	<3effba680703060918p1eec47f4mbdc8116813c654d7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <65AD81E8-4E6C-4BB0-95DB-606055B00337@mac.com>

Not (directly) that I know of.
I believe a secure group iChat would be the way to go.
Could even do it as audio. (or skype).

iChat does support Jabber (and OSX server provides a secure Jabber  
server for iChat) and Jabber does have some irc gateways.

On Mar 6, 2007, at 11:18 AM, kristau wrote:
> On 3/6/07, Victoria L. Herring <vlh@herringlaw.com> wrote:
>>
>> Here are notes of what we discussed at our meeting.  Please feel  
>> free to
>> comment, on or off list.  Thanks.
>
> Looks great!
>
> This may be a bit old-fashioned, but http://www.freenode.net offers
> IRC services to user groups and such.  You can register an IRC channel
> on their servers and conduct remote meetings from there.  I believe
> iChat supports IRC connections.
>
> later,
> kristau
> -- 
> Tired programmer
> Coding late into the night
> The core dump follows
>
> My GNUPG public key is available at http://www.kristau.net/ 
> public_key.asc
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From lists at herringlaw.com  Tue Mar  6 11:35:19 2007
From: lists at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue Mar  6 13:02:23 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Minutes - and chatting
In-Reply-To: <3effba680703060918p1eec47f4mbdc8116813c654d7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <p06240800c21300ea4ed8@192.168.1.104>
	<3effba680703060918p1eec47f4mbdc8116813c654d7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06240801c2135680f6e8@[192.168.0.4]>

Good idea....is there someone on this list who'd take the 
responsibility to look into doing group chats, iChat, IRC, Skype or 
whatever?  I don't have the time or expertise and we wouldn't need a 
report for a few months but it'd be good to have someone take this 
task as something to look into and report back.  Thanks in advance 
for any volunteers.

>This may be a bit old-fashioned, but http://www.freenode.net offers
>IRC services to user groups and such.  You can register an IRC channel
>on their servers and conduct remote meetings from there.  I believe
>iChat supports IRC connections.
>
>later,
>kristau

-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research, 
planning & Photography site and blog, 
<http://www.JourneyZing.com/blog>;  Des Moines, Iowa, ph.515-255-4475.
From lists at herringlaw.com  Tue Mar  6 16:37:05 2007
From: lists at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue Mar  6 16:42:10 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] An email that came thru today which might be of
	interest....
Message-ID: <p06240819c2139d518ff4@[192.168.0.4]>

>X-From_: daphne.kalfon@gmail.com  Tue Mar  6 16:38:27 2007
>
>Hi Bryan,
>
>here's a general update I've been sending to MUGs to let them know 
>what's new, so please excuse the "form letter" style here : )
>
>My name is Daphne Kalfon, fellow Mac enthusiast. I'm the person who 
>wrote the song "I Love My Mac" using Apple's GarageBand. You may 
>recall receiving a letter from me at the time the song appeared on 
>MacAddict Magazine's CD-ROM and in the iTunes Stores.
>
>I have since released new songs. One is an entirely new Japanese 
>version of "I Love My Mac" titled "Makku ga Sukinano". A preview and 
>details about this version are available at the official website:
>
><http://www.ilovemymacthesong.com/>www.ilovemymacthesong.com
>
>Once there you'll also be able to listen to an Italian recording of 
>"I Love My Mac" as well as a dance remix created by a fan in Belgium.
>
>You'll also find a new song there titled "I Love My iPod" - yes, 
>I've written a song about the portable device of choice these days! 
>I hope you enjoy it : )
>
>The iPod song has its own official website - 
><http://www.ilovemyipodthesong.com/>www.ilovemyipodthesong.com - 
>where you'll find the lyrics, a video created by a fan, and a 
>guestbook among other things.
>
>Back at the "I Love My Mac" song site there are many new pages and 
>additions to already existing pages, including direct links to my 
>interviews and to all the articles I have written to date for the 
>macCompanion Magazine, so I hope you can drop by and enjoy the new 
>content.
>
>Thank you and I hope you and your MUG continue to enjoy my music and 
>all things "I Love My Mac."
>
>Regards,
>Daphne


-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research, 
planning & Photography site and blog, 
<http://www.JourneyZing.com/blog>;  Des Moines, Iowa, ph.515-255-4475.
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From darcybaston at mac.com  Tue Mar  6 22:48:18 2007
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Tue Mar  6 22:48:45 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] any trackball using members?
Message-ID: <744B3016-83B3-4B9F-A4D5-C9CF382B9AFE@mac.com>

My desk space is running out and I'm considering getting a trackball  
mouse. I've seen two versions, one for the thumb (logitech something)  
and another full palm ball model (Kensington Expert). Anybody use  
either of those designs and have anecdotes about what they're like  
for quick clicks, and jumping spans like from menu to dock? How about  
FPS gaming?

Darcy
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From kristau at gmail.com  Tue Mar  6 23:13:26 2007
From: kristau at gmail.com (kristau)
Date: Tue Mar  6 23:13:51 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] pMachine and Expression Engine - blogging
In-Reply-To: <p0624087bc21330fe2c36@192.168.0.4>
References: <p0624087bc21330fe2c36@192.168.0.4>
Message-ID: <3effba680703062113o4e07e4dajdd2c91699aadff0e@mail.gmail.com>

I've not looked at pMachine or Expression Engine, but I have worked
with WordPress recently.  I was pretty impressed with WordPress, so
I'd recommend going that route, unless you've got a compelling reason
to use one of the others.

On 3/6/07, Victoria L. Herring <lists@herringlaw.com> wrote:
>
>
> I have pMachine on my law firm website as a blog engine == unfortunately it
> went south and when you click on 'blog'  you get a page like this:
>
>
>
>  MySQL Error: 1033  Incorrect information in file:
> './pmachine_herringlaw_com/pm_prefs.frm'
>  Query: SELECT pm_value FROM pm_prefs WHERE pm_option =
> 'display_posts_by_weblog'
>
>  MySQL Error: 1033  Incorrect information in file:
> './pmachine_herringlaw_com/pm_prefs.frm'
> Query: SELECT pm_value FROM pm_prefs WHERE pm_option =
> 'posts_per_page_weblog'
>
>
> I'd like to change over to either Expression Engine or Wordpress [or some
> other blog mechanism] but would want someone else to handle the techie part
> of it, since I think I might have caused the problem in the lst place.  I'd
> like to find out how much it would cost to fix the problem...I don't like
> pMachine but could go back to it..though I gather EE is much more modern.
> I'm open, just need the problem fixed fairly inexpensively. --
>
>
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & Employment
> Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research, planning & Photography
> site and blog, <http://www.JourneyZing.com/blog>;  Des Moines, Iowa,
> ph.515-255-4475.
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>


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Coding late into the night
The core dump follows

My GNUPG public key is available at http://www.kristau.net/public_key.asc
From lists at herringlaw.com  Wed Mar  7 06:47:02 2007
From: lists at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Wed Mar  7 06:48:37 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] pMachine and Expression Engine - blogging
In-Reply-To: <3effba680703062113o4e07e4dajdd2c91699aadff0e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <p0624087bc21330fe2c36@192.168.0.4>
	<3effba680703062113o4e07e4dajdd2c91699aadff0e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06240816c214648ded67@[192.168.0.4]>

>I've not looked at pMachine or Expression Engine, but I have worked
>with WordPress recently.  I was pretty impressed with WordPress, so
>I'd recommend going that route, unless you've got a compelling reason
>to use one of the others.

That's fine but I don't know how to 'clean off' pMachine without 
messing the whole site and the install Wordpress without messing the 
whole site...
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research, 
planning & Photography site and blog, 
<http://www.JourneyZing.com/blog>;  Des Moines, Iowa, ph.515-255-4475.
From robolaw at aol.com  Wed Mar  7 07:12:03 2007
From: robolaw at aol.com (Michael R. Hoffmann)
Date: Wed Mar  7 07:12:23 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] any trackball using members?
In-Reply-To: <744B3016-83B3-4B9F-A4D5-C9CF382B9AFE@mac.com>
References: <744B3016-83B3-4B9F-A4D5-C9CF382B9AFE@mac.com>
Message-ID: <75607E22-7A8C-496A-B363-C4C92832AF3F@aol.com>

Darcy:

So far, having had Kensington, Logitech & now Microsoft, I like the  
present one best. It's a Trackball Explorer 1.0 I've had for a few  
years now. It takes a light touch on the first two fingers, has  
buttons on both sides & a scroll wheel. Sorry, not a gamer.

Mike

On Mar 6, 2007, at 10:48 PM, Darcy Baston wrote:

> My desk space is running out and I'm considering getting a  
> trackball mouse. I've seen two versions, one for the thumb  
> (logitech something) and another full palm ball model (Kensington  
> Expert). Anybody use either of those designs and have anecdotes  
> about what they're like for quick clicks, and jumping spans like  
> from menu to dock? How about FPS gaming?
>
> Darcy
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From kisnerj at dwx.com  Wed Mar  7 07:21:07 2007
From: kisnerj at dwx.com (John Kisner)
Date: Wed Mar  7 07:21:34 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] OnyX Followup
In-Reply-To: p06240816c214648ded67@[192.168.0.4]
References: <p0624087bc21330fe2c36@192.168.0.4><3effba680703062113o4e07e4dajdd2c91699aadff0e@mail.gmail.com>
	p06240816c214648ded67@[192.168.0.4]
Message-ID: <04A95B41-F76C-483B-921B-23DECEC551FE@dwx.com>

Last week I asked for help concerning a problem where it seemed like  
OnyX was causing my iMac to shut down rather than go to sleep after  
inactivity.  I ended up taking it in to Haddock, and it turned out to  
need a new power supply.  It seems like Onyx brought this hardware  
problem to a head -- since the problem showed up immediately after  
running OnyX maintenance -- but I suppose it might be unrelated.

A discussion of the problem was found over in the Apple Support forum  
when I was trying to figure out what might be wrong.  The problem I  
was having with my generation of iMac G5 is not unique, and was  
covered by Apple.
From rbowler at mchsi.com  Wed Mar  7 07:58:41 2007
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Wed Mar  7 07:59:08 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] any trackball using members?
In-Reply-To: <744B3016-83B3-4B9F-A4D5-C9CF382B9AFE@mac.com>
References: <744B3016-83B3-4B9F-A4D5-C9CF382B9AFE@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p06240618c21472036623@[10.0.1.3]>

My wife has the Kensington trackball with the four buttons and I have 
had one. I now have the Logitech thumb one with two buttons.  I 
prefer them over mice because I do not ave to move them around. They 
are both  get around the screen rapidly--much more so than the mouse 
does. Two negatives about the Kensington--it is more bulky and then 
grand daughters get to be about 1 year old they discover that it is 
fun to take the ball out and play with it.

At 10:48 PM -0600 3/6/07, Darcy Baston wrote:
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>
>My desk space is running out and I'm considering getting a trackball 
>mouse. I've seen two versions, one for the thumb (logitech 
>something) and another full palm ball model (Kensington Expert). 
>Anybody use either of those designs and have anecdotes about what 
>they're like for quick clicks, and jumping spans like from menu to 
>dock? How about FPS gaming?
>
>Darcy
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From darcybaston at mac.com  Wed Mar  7 09:40:14 2007
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Wed Mar  7 09:41:09 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] any trackball using members?
In-Reply-To: <p06240618c21472036623@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <744B3016-83B3-4B9F-A4D5-C9CF382B9AFE@mac.com>
	<p06240618c21472036623@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <2F2CC12C-0111-1000-8227-033CCD0730B2-Webmail-10023@mac.com>

Thanks for the feedback so far everyone. I'm more tempted than before. I want to make room for a Graphire tablet, and then a trackball side by side, and get a nice cozy workflow going that way. With the mouse moving around, it'll bang between keyboard and tablet.

Ray, compared to the center-ball and thumb-ball models, which do you prefer and why?

Darcy 

 
On Wednesday, March 07, 2007, at 07:59AM, "Ray Bowler" <rbowler@mchsi.com> wrote:
>My wife has the Kensington trackball with the four buttons and I have 
>had one. I now have the Logitech thumb one with two buttons.  I 
>prefer them over mice because I do not ave to move them around. They 
>are both  get around the screen rapidly--much more so than the mouse 
>does. Two negatives about the Kensington--it is more bulky and then 
>grand daughters get to be about 1 year old they discover that it is 
>fun to take the ball out and play with it.
From cwsmith7 at gmail.com  Wed Mar  7 11:23:13 2007
From: cwsmith7 at gmail.com (CW Smith)
Date: Wed Mar  7 11:23:46 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] any trackball using members?
In-Reply-To: <744B3016-83B3-4B9F-A4D5-C9CF382B9AFE@mac.com>
References: <744B3016-83B3-4B9F-A4D5-C9CF382B9AFE@mac.com>
Message-ID: <A38B89C7-289A-42DA-99AC-72E91B40B95E@gmail.com>

I love my Logitech Marble Mouse trackball so much, I bought five of  
them: I use them on my iBook, my PowerBook, my tray-loading iMacs,  
and my G3 and G4 towers. I even keep one in my laptop bag. It retails  
for about $27.


On Mar 6, 2007, at 10:48 PM, Darcy Baston wrote:

> My desk space is running out and I'm considering getting a  
> trackball mouse. I've seen two versions, one for the thumb  
> (logitech something) and another full palm ball model (Kensington  
> Expert). Anybody use either of those designs and have anecdotes  
> about what they're like for quick clicks, and jumping spans like  
> from menu to dock? How about FPS gaming?
>
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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Wed Mar  7 12:12:25 2007
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Wed Mar  7 12:12:54 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] any trackball using members?
In-Reply-To: <2F2CC12C-0111-1000-8227-033CCD0730B2-Webmail-10023@mac.com>
References: <744B3016-83B3-4B9F-A4D5-C9CF382B9AFE@mac.com>
	<p06240618c21472036623@[10.0.1.3]>
	<2F2CC12C-0111-1000-8227-033CCD0730B2-Webmail-10023@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p06240619c214b0cd1d64@[10.0.1.3]>

I find that the thumb ball gives me better control--not a lot but 
some. It is slightly less cumbersome.

At 7:40 AM -0800 3/7/07, Darcy Baston wrote:
>Thanks for the feedback so far everyone. I'm more tempted than 
>before. I want to make room for a Graphire tablet, and then a 
>trackball side by side, and get a nice cozy workflow going that way. 
>With the mouse moving around, it'll bang between keyboard and tablet.
>
>Ray, compared to the center-ball and thumb-ball models, which do you 
>prefer and why?
>
>Darcy
>
>
>On Wednesday, March 07, 2007, at 07:59AM, "Ray Bowler" 
><rbowler@mchsi.com> wrote:
>>My wife has the Kensington trackball with the four buttons and I have
>>had one. I now have the Logitech thumb one with two buttons.  I
>>prefer them over mice because I do not ave to move them around. They
>>are both  get around the screen rapidly--much more so than the mouse
>>does. Two negatives about the Kensington--it is more bulky and then
>>grand daughters get to be about 1 year old they discover that it is
>>fun to take the ball out and play with it.
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From homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net  Wed Mar  7 12:43:36 2007
From: homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net (Roses Derise)
Date: Wed Mar  7 12:43:32 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Ignore this--its a test for me
In-Reply-To: <3effba680703041846j288a1298ya697523a861074ff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C21463F8.DAB%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>




On 3/4/07 8:46 PM, "kristau" <kristau@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 3/4/07, Darcy Baston <darcybaston@mac.com> wrote:
>> I hate losing time to a computer, which is why I have a Mac, and why
>> my daily backups are always a full exact clone. That way when
>> something goes, I reboot on the backup media and I'm back where I
>> was. For me it's not about uptime, it's about human time. :)
>> 
>> Darcy
> 
> That's definitely why I am liking the Mac platform better every day.
> I just have to wean myself of my tendency to do things the hard way.
> I LOVE do do things the hard way (if you couldn't tell already).
> 
> With RsyncX I want to see if I can set up a daily incremental backup
> with a weekly or monthly clone -- then test it out with a full,
> bare-metal restore.  If I can get that to work, it would be the best
> of both worlds.
> 
> 
> later,
> kristau


From big.smelly at gmail.com  Wed Mar  7 15:40:46 2007
From: big.smelly at gmail.com (Chris R)
Date: Wed Mar  7 15:41:13 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] any trackball using members?
In-Reply-To: <p06240618c21472036623@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <744B3016-83B3-4B9F-A4D5-C9CF382B9AFE@mac.com>
	<p06240618c21472036623@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <DE136576-E0A8-49E6-A04C-1D9EE43850E7@gmail.com>

Ha, my 5 year old daughter is the reason why I no longer use the  
kensington or Microsoft trackball. Everytime I find the ball and put  
it back in it disappears. I used to use them for graphics because of  
the extra buttons and increased resolution. But no more. I just use a  
graphire mouse and pen.
Glad its not just me. C

On Mar 7, 2007, at 7:58 AM, Ray Bowler wrote:

> My wife has the Kensington trackball with the four buttons and I  
> have had one. I now have the Logitech thumb one with two buttons.   
> I prefer them over mice because I do not ave to move them around.  
> They are both  get around the screen rapidly--much more so than the  
> mouse does. Two negatives about the Kensington--it is more bulky  
> and then grand daughters get to be about 1 year old they discover  
> that it is fun to take the ball out and play with it.
>
> At 10:48 PM -0600 3/6/07, Darcy Baston wrote:
>> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple- 
>> Mail-5--485313091;
>> 	protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"
>>
>> My desk space is running out and I'm considering getting a  
>> trackball mouse. I've seen two versions, one for the thumb  
>> (logitech something) and another full palm ball model (Kensington  
>> Expert). Anybody use either of those designs and have anecdotes  
>> about what they're like for quick clicks, and jumping spans like  
>> from menu to dock? How about FPS gaming?
>>
>> Darcy
>>
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>> (000B580B)
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From maccelerate at earthlink.net  Wed Mar  7 22:09:54 2007
From: maccelerate at earthlink.net (Matthew W.)
Date: Wed Mar  7 22:10:00 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Another reason to use a Mac
Message-ID: <CCD6BAB4-B0D0-4BFC-BA6A-4756195680BA@earthlink.net>

<http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6164152.html?tag=nl.e550>

I guess time will tell if Macs and Mac Servers will be victims of  
this. There certainly is no brouhaha surrounding time changes on Macs.

<http://www.afp548.com/article.php?story=20070215162745830>


There is an evil tendency underlying all our technology - the  
tendency to do
what is reasonable even when it isn't any good.
     - Robert Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance


From ka_klick at mac.com  Wed Mar  7 22:36:38 2007
From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker)
Date: Wed Mar  7 22:37:11 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Another reason to use a Mac
In-Reply-To: <CCD6BAB4-B0D0-4BFC-BA6A-4756195680BA@earthlink.net>
References: <CCD6BAB4-B0D0-4BFC-BA6A-4756195680BA@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <8882ED99-6668-4D40-A1DB-145FF6C63ED1@mac.com>

Well, there were updates released earlier this year to handle this on  
10.4 and 10.3.
I just did the update dance w/ our Xserve.

On Mar 7, 2007, at 10:09 PM, Matthew W. wrote:
> <http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6164152.html?tag=nl.e550>
>
> I guess time will tell if Macs and Mac Servers will be victims of  
> this. There certainly is no brouhaha surrounding time changes on Macs.
>
> <http://www.afp548.com/article.php?story=20070215162745830>
>
>
> There is an evil tendency underlying all our technology - the  
> tendency to do
> what is reasonable even when it isn't any good.
>     - Robert Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
>
>
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From karl at thehehrs.org  Wed Mar  7 22:38:10 2007
From: karl at thehehrs.org (Karl Hehr)
Date: Wed Mar  7 22:38:11 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Another reason to use a Mac
In-Reply-To: <CCD6BAB4-B0D0-4BFC-BA6A-4756195680BA@earthlink.net>
References: <CCD6BAB4-B0D0-4BFC-BA6A-4756195680BA@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <19FCFA93-35F8-4B3F-A3A6-92D960986D88@thehehrs.org>


> <http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6164152.html?tag=nl.e550>
>
> I guess time will tell if Macs and Mac Servers will be victims of  
> this. There certainly is no brouhaha surrounding time changes on Macs.
>
> <http://www.afp548.com/article.php?story=20070215162745830>
>

There is a lot of brouhaha-ing in the Mac community about this too,  
but it is by far easier to settle the rumblings with the ease of  
patching the Macs and clients.  Although working at a school that is  
a mixed environment, I have had little issues with patching either  
platform.  I will wait and declare success on Monday.

--Karl Hehr

From darcybaston at mac.com  Wed Mar  7 23:14:47 2007
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Wed Mar  7 23:15:16 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Macs: Developer heaven
Message-ID: <3862062E-56D2-4348-B576-C889DE1D0DC0@mac.com>

Skype developers use Macs to run 4 different operating systems at  
once to test all their software releases, at near native speeds.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jaanus/412569715/


Here's my attempt at enjoying excess emulation, displaying 5 OS's  
running all at once.

-Amiga OS 3.1 (desktop)
-Windows 98 (running Firefox)
-Dos 622 (playing a game, "The Settlers")
-Mac OS 9 (browsing hard drive)
-OS X (the native host!)

If I owned more OS's, I would have run more! LOL!

http://flickr.com/photos/darcybaston/414322539/


Darcy
From thorgrim at mindspring.com  Thu Mar  8 09:14:57 2007
From: thorgrim at mindspring.com (Thorgrim)
Date: Thu Mar  8 09:14:02 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] New Time Zones on a Mac
In-Reply-To: <CCD6BAB4-B0D0-4BFC-BA6A-4756195680BA@earthlink.net>
References: <CCD6BAB4-B0D0-4BFC-BA6A-4756195680BA@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4D53162C-520A-4714-829A-60469B343F70@mindspring.com>

> I guess time will tell if Macs and Mac Servers will be victims of  
> this. There certainly is no brouhaha surrounding time changes on Macs.

If anyone is still using Mac OS 10.2, you can use the method  
described here

http://www.geekpatrol.ca/2007/01/patching-panther-for-daylight- 
savings-time/

to fix the Daylight Saving issue.  It seems to have worked for me.

You should be fine if you are running 10.3 or 10.4 and have the  
update installed

http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/ 
daylightsavingtimeupdatepanther.html	for 10.3.9
http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/ 
daylightsavingtimeupdatetiger.html		for 10.4.8

also see

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=305056

Dave M.
From kristau at gmail.com  Thu Mar  8 21:12:25 2007
From: kristau at gmail.com (kristau)
Date: Thu Mar  8 21:12:50 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Macs: Developer heaven
In-Reply-To: <3862062E-56D2-4348-B576-C889DE1D0DC0@mac.com>
References: <3862062E-56D2-4348-B576-C889DE1D0DC0@mac.com>
Message-ID: <3effba680703081912j11baacfcp6b8e17aecd6f356c@mail.gmail.com>

You already own just about any Linux or BSD distribution.  Give it a
try and take it to 6 or 7!

On 3/7/07, Darcy Baston <darcybaston@mac.com> wrote:
> Skype developers use Macs to run 4 different operating systems at
> once to test all their software releases, at near native speeds.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jaanus/412569715/
>
>
> Here's my attempt at enjoying excess emulation, displaying 5 OS's
> running all at once.
>
> -Amiga OS 3.1 (desktop)
> -Windows 98 (running Firefox)
> -Dos 622 (playing a game, "The Settlers")
> -Mac OS 9 (browsing hard drive)
> -OS X (the native host!)
>
> If I owned more OS's, I would have run more! LOL!
>
> http://flickr.com/photos/darcybaston/414322539/
>
>
> Darcy
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From darcybaston at mac.com  Thu Mar  8 22:25:41 2007
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Thu Mar  8 22:26:15 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Macs: Developer heaven
In-Reply-To: <3effba680703081912j11baacfcp6b8e17aecd6f356c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3862062E-56D2-4348-B576-C889DE1D0DC0@mac.com>
	<3effba680703081912j11baacfcp6b8e17aecd6f356c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <112A1CF1-0564-46F9-BD27-2ACD5B3788F8@mac.com>

LOL! Good point! I should.


On Mar 8, 2007, at 9:12 PM, kristau wrote:

You already own just about any Linux or BSD distribution.  Give it a
try and take it to 6 or 7!

On 3/7/07, Darcy Baston <darcybaston@mac.com> wrote:
> Skype developers use Macs to run 4 different operating systems at
> once to test all their software releases, at near native speeds.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jaanus/412569715/
>
>
> Here's my attempt at enjoying excess emulation, displaying 5 OS's
> running all at once.
>
> -Amiga OS 3.1 (desktop)
> -Windows 98 (running Firefox)
> -Dos 622 (playing a game, "The Settlers")
> -Mac OS 9 (browsing hard drive)
> -OS X (the native host!)
>
> If I owned more OS's, I would have run more! LOL!
>
> http://flickr.com/photos/darcybaston/414322539/
>
>
> Darcy
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From ccorrice at mchsi.com  Sun Mar 11 22:25:34 2007
From: ccorrice at mchsi.com (Chris Corrice)
Date: Sun Mar 11 22:26:03 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] any trackball using members?
Message-ID: <3EAB451C-41C7-4F23-813F-5AF5C9A30B9E@mchsi.com>

I have the MS optical trackball and it works just fine. My son loves  
to take the ball out and roll it around the house. Very sturdy. I  
just wish someone would make a wireless optical trackball.
Chris
From ccorrice at mchsi.com  Sun Mar 11 22:30:51 2007
From: ccorrice at mchsi.com (Chris Corrice)
Date: Sun Mar 11 22:31:14 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] any trackball using members?
In-Reply-To: <3EAB451C-41C7-4F23-813F-5AF5C9A30B9E@mchsi.com>
References: <3EAB451C-41C7-4F23-813F-5AF5C9A30B9E@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <CC89F50C-2FCE-42FA-92AA-F4E5AB916000@mchsi.com>

Also, since my mac mini is my bedroom mac, it's very convenient to  
use while lounging in bed. I'm not a FPS guy but it spins very well  
with good control.
Chris
On Mar 11, 2007, at 10:25 PM, Chris Corrice wrote:

> I have the MS optical trackball and it works just fine. My son  
> loves to take the ball out and roll it around the house. Very  
> sturdy. I just wish someone would make a wireless optical trackball.
> Chris
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From darcybaston at mac.com  Sun Mar 11 22:35:04 2007
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Sun Mar 11 22:35:30 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] any trackball using members?
In-Reply-To: <CC89F50C-2FCE-42FA-92AA-F4E5AB916000@mchsi.com>
References: <3EAB451C-41C7-4F23-813F-5AF5C9A30B9E@mchsi.com>
	<CC89F50C-2FCE-42FA-92AA-F4E5AB916000@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <CAE8265F-1A59-415F-8861-C51A9CB96622@mac.com>

I'm happy to say I'm now the proud user of a Logitech Marble. I'm a  
little slower and miss having the middle mouse button for triggering  
Expose and scrolling, but the scroll buttons on either side are handy  
too.

The back of the box says that I'm supposed to be able to hold down  
both those scroll buttons and then use the ball to scroll, but that  
doesn't work. The preferences panel doesn't enable the feature  
either. May be a Windows driver only thing.

Darcy



On Mar 11, 2007, at 10:30 PM, Chris Corrice wrote:

Also, since my mac mini is my bedroom mac, it's very convenient to  
use while lounging in bed. I'm not a FPS guy but it spins very well  
with good control.
Chris
From rbowler at mchsi.com  Mon Mar 12 07:13:07 2007
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Mon Mar 12 07:13:32 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] any trackball using members?
In-Reply-To: <CAE8265F-1A59-415F-8861-C51A9CB96622@mac.com>
References: <3EAB451C-41C7-4F23-813F-5AF5C9A30B9E@mchsi.com>
	<CC89F50C-2FCE-42FA-92AA-F4E5AB916000@mchsi.com>
	<CAE8265F-1A59-415F-8861-C51A9CB96622@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p06240601c21af3527069@[10.0.1.3]>

I have been using the Logitech Marble and like it but my daughter 
gave me back my Kensington Expert Mouse Pro and I like it very much. 
Four buttons which I can program, a scroll wheel and six buttons 
which I can program to launch programs or URLS

At 10:35 PM -0500 3/11/07, Darcy Baston wrote:
>I'm happy to say I'm now the proud user of a Logitech Marble. I'm a 
>little slower and miss having the middle mouse button for triggering 
>Expose and scrolling, but the scroll buttons on either side are 
>handy too.
>
>The back of the box says that I'm supposed to be able to hold down 
>both those scroll buttons and then use the ball to scroll, but that 
>doesn't work. The preferences panel doesn't enable the feature 
>either. May be a Windows driver only thing.
>
>Darcy
>
>
>
>On Mar 11, 2007, at 10:30 PM, Chris Corrice wrote:
>
>Also, since my mac mini is my bedroom mac, it's very convenient to 
>use while lounging in bed. I'm not a FPS guy but it spins very well 
>with good control.
>Chris
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From darcybaston at mac.com  Mon Mar 12 07:21:08 2007
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Mon Mar 12 07:21:33 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] any trackball using members?
In-Reply-To: <p06240601c21af3527069@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <3EAB451C-41C7-4F23-813F-5AF5C9A30B9E@mchsi.com>
	<CC89F50C-2FCE-42FA-92AA-F4E5AB916000@mchsi.com>
	<CAE8265F-1A59-415F-8861-C51A9CB96622@mac.com>
	<p06240601c21af3527069@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <2296BE0D-D9D6-4EBB-A919-AB252956FF01@mac.com>

That sounds like a great trackball. I'll use this as my training  
wheel, and then...



On Mar 12, 2007, at 7:13 AM, Ray Bowler wrote:

I have been using the Logitech Marble and like it but my daughter  
gave me back my Kensington Expert Mouse Pro and I like it very much.  
Four buttons which I can program, a scroll wheel and six buttons  
which I can program to launch programs or URLS
From lists at herringlaw.com  Mon Mar 12 19:49:46 2007
From: lists at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Mon Mar 12 21:58:54 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Save $25 off Parallels Desktop for the Mac User Group
	Special
Message-ID: <p0624081cc21ba59524a1@[192.168.0.4]>

>X-From_: ehayes@parallels.com  Mon Mar 12 20:11:07 2007
>From: "Erica Hayes" <ehayes@parallels.com>
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker)
Date: Tue Mar 13 16:28:23 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] 10.4.9 released today - Can Leopard be far behind?
Message-ID: <EDA92360-FD61-4EAD-9ACE-4DD7D7D6F55F@mac.com>

Apple released the 10.4.9 update today:

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=304821

They seem to like to toss a lot of kitchen sink fixes in the .x.9  
releases, I may wait a little bit before jumping myself, let us all  
know if you take the plunge, how things went. Usually Apple seems to  
try and leave off with the .x.9 release being the last bug fix roll- 
up in a release cycle, so I'm guessing they're just about ready to  
close the chapter on Tiger and let the leopard out of her cage. We  
should find out something within the next 100 days or so (spring).
From djweis at internetsolver.com  Tue Mar 13 16:30:16 2007
From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis)
Date: Tue Mar 13 16:30:38 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] 10.4.9 released today - Can Leopard be far behind?
In-Reply-To: <EDA92360-FD61-4EAD-9ACE-4DD7D7D6F55F@mac.com>
References: <EDA92360-FD61-4EAD-9ACE-4DD7D7D6F55F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0703131629310.21999@charmed.internetsolver.com>


On Tue, 13 Mar 2007, Bryan Baker wrote:
> Apple released the 10.4.9 update today:
> http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=304821

You can all thank me for that, I spent quite a while yesterday updating an 
office full of machines. Once Apple saw that they graced us with yet 
another update to go install :-)

-- 
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From jlagnese at gmail.com  Tue Mar 13 18:37:11 2007
From: jlagnese at gmail.com (jim lagnese)
Date: Tue Mar 13 18:37:57 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] 10.4.9 released today - Can Leopard be far behind?
In-Reply-To: <EDA92360-FD61-4EAD-9ACE-4DD7D7D6F55F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C21C9FD7.48B0C%jlagnese@gmail.com>

I wouldn't know. Our internet has been down at work since Friday. Or should
I say down for about 8 schools.


On 3/13/07 4:27 PM, "Bryan Baker" <ka_klick@mac.com> wrote:

> Apple released the 10.4.9 update today:
> 
> http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=304821
> 
> They seem to like to toss a lot of kitchen sink fixes in the .x.9
> releases, I may wait a little bit before jumping myself, let us all
> know if you take the plunge, how things went. Usually Apple seems to
> try and leave off with the .x.9 release being the last bug fix roll-
> up in a release cycle, so I'm guessing they're just about ready to
> close the chapter on Tiger and let the leopard out of her cage. We
> should find out something within the next 100 days or so (spring).
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From wmbrainiac at mac.com  Tue Mar 13 20:44:30 2007
From: wmbrainiac at mac.com (John Eller)
Date: Tue Mar 13 20:44:57 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] 10.4.9 released today - Can Leopard be far behind?
In-Reply-To: <C21C9FD7.48B0C%jlagnese@gmail.com>
References: <C21C9FD7.48B0C%jlagnese@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <60665B5F-DBCA-4047-9A8D-C6942F8F0377@mac.com>

 >let us all know if you take the plunge, how things went.

downloaded and in use a few hours here.  no issues so far.


On Mar 13, 2007, at 6:37 PM, jim lagnese wrote:

> I wouldn't know. Our internet has been down at work since Friday.  
> Or should
> I say down for about 8 schools.
>
>
> On 3/13/07 4:27 PM, "Bryan Baker" <ka_klick@mac.com> wrote:
>
>> Apple released the 10.4.9 update today:
>>
>> http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=304821
>>
>> They seem to like to toss a lot of kitchen sink fixes in the .x.9
>> releases, I may wait a little bit before jumping myself, let us all
>> know if you take the plunge, how things went. Usually Apple seems to
>> try and leave off with the .x.9 release being the last bug fix roll-
>> up in a release cycle, so I'm guessing they're just about ready to
>> close the chapter on Tiger and let the leopard out of her cage. We
>> should find out something within the next 100 days or so (spring).
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From mghood1 at mchsi.com  Tue Mar 13 21:55:41 2007
From: mghood1 at mchsi.com (Martin G Hood)
Date: Tue Mar 13 21:56:05 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Can't Delete Items From The Trash
In-Reply-To: <p0624081cc21ba59524a1@[192.168.0.4]>
References: <p0624081cc21ba59524a1@[192.168.0.4]>
Message-ID: <EADF6772-D7AB-42CE-92A0-917D5B0EE70B@mchsi.com>


I have a problem an hope that someone can come up with a solution to  
this problem. I have a Mac Pro and I have about 40 files in the trash  
that I can not delete. I have tried booting to another hard drive to  
delete the files and still get the message "Localized.rsrc in use"   
and can not delete. I have tried holding down the option key when I  
empty the trash and booting from another hard drive and still get the  
same message. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Martin
From darcybaston at mac.com  Tue Mar 13 23:22:35 2007
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Tue Mar 13 23:23:01 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Can't Delete Items From The Trash
In-Reply-To: <EADF6772-D7AB-42CE-92A0-917D5B0EE70B@mchsi.com>
References: <p0624081cc21ba59524a1@[192.168.0.4]>
	<EADF6772-D7AB-42CE-92A0-917D5B0EE70B@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <8FB799EE-32AD-430A-81D3-04E89DF0833D@mac.com>

If you've ever used the Terminal application in /applications/ 
utilities, you could type the following:

lsof | grep "Localized.rsrc"

lsof tells you which files are currently open, and in use.

You'll get plenty of results, because Localized.rsrc is a commonly  
named file for language text information. Ignore the ones that come  
up as /Library/System, and look for one that are prefixed by /.Trash  
or something. That will give you a hint about what program you may  
have running that's causing problems.

If you boot from another hard drive, and use the finder to click on  
'empty trash', you're going to empty the trash of the drive you  
booted from, and not the one you were first working on. If both  
drives have a trash that are giving the same message, I'd like to  
know if one is a clone backup of the other?

You could also try rebooting while holding the SHIFT key down. This  
will cause OS X to start in a safe mode setting. From the documentation:

---
Start up in Safe Mode (Only essential Mac OS X items are started.  
Some features and applications might not work correctly.)

Hold down the Shift key immediately after the startup tone, and  
release when you see the progress indicator (looks like a spinning  
gear).

---

Maybe this will prevent whatever's using that trash file from startup  
up, and you can empty the trash.

Hope this helps a little.

Darcy



On Mar 13, 2007, at 9:55 PM, Martin G Hood wrote:


I have a problem an hope that someone can come up with a solution to  
this problem. I have a Mac Pro and I have about 40 files in the trash  
that I can not delete. I have tried booting to another hard drive to  
delete the files and still get the message "Localized.rsrc in use"   
and can not delete. I have tried holding down the option key when I  
empty the trash and booting from another hard drive and still get the  
same message. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Martin
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From lists at herringlaw.com  Wed Mar 14 10:02:21 2007
From: lists at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Wed Mar 14 10:09:33 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Re: latest in Word, PDF metadata solutions?
Message-ID: <p06240816c21dbed8064c@[192.168.0.4]>

from the MacLaw list maybe of interest...

>X-
>All
>
>You are welcome to use our free online Word metadata cleaner and PDF
>creator. As it is a web based service you do not need any special
>software installed. There is just a limit on the size of file that you
>can process. Access it via the link of the left of the main 3BClean web
>page: <http://www.3bview.com/3bclean.html>http://www.3bview.com/3bclean.html
>
>Kind Regards
>
>Cathy
>
>--
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>
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>Mobile: +44 (0) 7768 041174
>
>www.3bview.com

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From mghood1 at mchsi.com  Wed Mar 14 10:40:25 2007
From: mghood1 at mchsi.com (Martin G Hood)
Date: Wed Mar 14 10:40:50 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Can't Delete Items From The Trash
In-Reply-To: <8FB799EE-32AD-430A-81D3-04E89DF0833D@mac.com>
References: <p0624081cc21ba59524a1@[192.168.0.4]>
	<EADF6772-D7AB-42CE-92A0-917D5B0EE70B@mchsi.com>
	<8FB799EE-32AD-430A-81D3-04E89DF0833D@mac.com>
Message-ID: <A64AF39E-48D2-4DAD-812A-70BB1CFEE4C2@mchsi.com>

I just downloaded the latest Apple update and now have 10.4.9 and I  
emptied he trash this morning and all of the files were deleted. It  
must have been an issue with 10.4.8 which is when it started. The  
second drive was not a clone of the first.

Darcy thank you for taking the time to respond to my call for help. I  
will save your response for future reference


Martin


On Mar 13, 2007, at 11:22 PM, Darcy Baston wrote:

> If you've ever used the Terminal application in /applications/ 
> utilities, you could type the following:
>
> lsof | grep "Localized.rsrc"
>
> lsof tells you which files are currently open, and in use.
>
> You'll get plenty of results, because Localized.rsrc is a commonly  
> named file for language text information. Ignore the ones that come  
> up as /Library/System, and look for one that are prefixed  
> by /.Trash or something. That will give you a hint about what  
> program you may have running that's causing problems.
>
> If you boot from another hard drive, and use the finder to click on  
> 'empty trash', you're going to empty the trash of the drive you  
> booted from, and not the one you were first working on. If both  
> drives have a trash that are giving the same message, I'd like to  
> know if one is a clone backup of the other?
>
> You could also try rebooting while holding the SHIFT key down. This  
> will cause OS X to start in a safe mode setting. From the  
> documentation:
>
> ---
> Start up in Safe Mode (Only essential Mac OS X items are started.  
> Some features and applications might not work correctly.)
>
> Hold down the Shift key immediately after the startup tone, and  
> release when you see the progress indicator (looks like a spinning  
> gear).
>
> ---
>
> Maybe this will prevent whatever's using that trash file from  
> startup up, and you can empty the trash.
>
> Hope this helps a little.
>
> Darcy
>
>
>
> On Mar 13, 2007, at 9:55 PM, Martin G Hood wrote:
>
>
> I have a problem an hope that someone can come up with a solution  
> to this problem. I have a Mac Pro and I have about 40 files in the  
> trash that I can not delete. I have tried booting to another hard  
> drive to delete the files and still get the message "Localized.rsrc  
> in use"  and can not delete. I have tried holding down the option  
> key when I empty the trash and booting from another hard drive and  
> still get the same message. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> Martin
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From darcybaston at mac.com  Wed Mar 14 11:48:28 2007
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Wed Mar 14 11:49:24 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Can't Delete Items From The Trash
In-Reply-To: <A64AF39E-48D2-4DAD-812A-70BB1CFEE4C2@mchsi.com>
References: <p0624081cc21ba59524a1@[192.168.0.4]>
	<EADF6772-D7AB-42CE-92A0-917D5B0EE70B@mchsi.com>
	<8FB799EE-32AD-430A-81D3-04E89DF0833D@mac.com>
	<A64AF39E-48D2-4DAD-812A-70BB1CFEE4C2@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <04E2763B-0111-1000-C55A-A2ACD199F5F5-Webmail-10016@mac.com>

Always good to hear a happy ending. :) Glad the update cleared up the problem!

Darcy
 
On Wednesday, March 14, 2007, at 10:41AM, "Martin G Hood" <mghood1@mchsi.com> wrote:
>I just downloaded the latest Apple update and now have 10.4.9 and I  
>emptied he trash this morning and all of the files were deleted. It  
>must have been an issue with 10.4.8 which is when it started. The  
>second drive was not a clone of the first.
>
>Darcy thank you for taking the time to respond to my call for help. I  
>will save your response for future reference
>
>
>Martin
From rbowler at mchsi.com  Thu Mar 15 09:35:14 2007
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Thu Mar 15 09:35:40 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] 10.4.9 released today - Can Leopard be far behind?
In-Reply-To: <60665B5F-DBCA-4047-9A8D-C6942F8F0377@mac.com>
References: <C21C9FD7.48B0C%jlagnese@gmail.com>
	<60665B5F-DBCA-4047-9A8D-C6942F8F0377@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p06240602c21f09168f22@[10.0.1.3]>

I read of very few issues on other lists so I downloaded and 
installed 10.4.9. The most notable result is that my mouse and 
trackball, which frequently went crazy when moving across the screen, 
and now seems be be work correctly. One down and two to go.

At 8:44 PM -0500 3/13/07, John Eller wrote:
>  >let us all know if you take the plunge, how things went.
>
>downloaded and in use a few hours here.  no issues so far.
>
>
>On Mar 13, 2007, at 6:37 PM, jim lagnese wrote:
>
>>I wouldn't know. Our internet has been down at work since Friday. Or should
>>I say down for about 8 schools.
>>
>>
>>On 3/13/07 4:27 PM, "Bryan Baker" <ka_klick@mac.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Apple released the 10.4.9 update today:
>>>
>>>http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=304821
>>>
>>>They seem to like to toss a lot of kitchen sink fixes in the .x.9
>>>releases, I may wait a little bit before jumping myself, let us all
>>>know if you take the plunge, how things went. Usually Apple seems to
>>>try and leave off with the .x.9 release being the last bug fix roll-
>>>up in a release cycle, so I'm guessing they're just about ready to
>>>close the chapter on Tiger and let the leopard out of her cage. We
>>>should find out something within the next 100 days or so (spring).
>>>_______________________________________________
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From cwsmith7 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 16 11:12:39 2007
From: cwsmith7 at gmail.com (CW Smith)
Date: Fri Mar 16 11:13:06 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] WTB: Mac Plus
Message-ID: <ED3E4A25-DBBF-4D54-B529-08C43C4360AB@gmail.com>

Looking for a Mac Plus for parts -- specifically the power sweep  
(analog) board. Case condition is irrelevant, but would prefer as  
close to working condition as possible. Check your attics, basements,  
garages?

Thank you,
CW


-------------------------------------

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cwsmith7@gmail.com
http://cwsmith.spymac.com



From CMSSpace at aol.com  Fri Mar 16 13:34:31 2007
From: CMSSpace at aol.com (CMSSpace@aol.com)
Date: Fri Mar 16 13:35:00 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] WTB: Mac Plus
Message-ID: <c9b.be007e9.332c3d37@aol.com>

Why do you want just the power supply?   Wouldn't you rather just have the 
entire working Mac Plus?


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From cwsmith7 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 16 16:39:41 2007
From: cwsmith7 at gmail.com (CW Smith)
Date: Fri Mar 16 16:40:08 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] WTB: Mac Plus
In-Reply-To: <c9b.be007e9.332c3d37@aol.com>
References: <c9b.be007e9.332c3d37@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4EE4DA13-9AD9-45F5-9502-338B159CC387@gmail.com>

I have a Plus with a good screen, (presumed) good MLB, and pristine  
case. Would like a second Plus to pull parts from. If the second Plus  
works better than mine, I may transfer the "better" parts to the  
"better" case.

As I said before, I'd like one as close to working (or working) as  
possible, but I mainly just need the one part. Not trying to be greedy.

Thanks to everyone.

Peace,
CW


On Mar 16, 2007, at 1:34 PM, CMSSpace@aol.com wrote:

> Why do you want just the power supply?  Wouldn't you rather just  
> have the entire working Mac Plus?
>
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From CMSSpace at aol.com  Fri Mar 16 19:10:59 2007
From: CMSSpace at aol.com (CMSSpace@aol.com)
Date: Fri Mar 16 19:11:23 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] WTB: Mac Plus
Message-ID: <d12.8e4df10.332c8c13@aol.com>

I salvaged a Mac Classic out of a neighbor's garbage.   I talked to the 
neighbor. They said they had upgraded to another computer so they were throwing it 
out.   It works perfectly fine.   I have my parent's Mac SE so the Classic is 
just an extra sitting around if you want it.



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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Fri Mar 16 20:31:01 2007
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Fri Mar 16 20:31:26 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Does Backup 3 span DVDs?
Message-ID: <p06240604c220f38d82fa@[10.0.1.3]>

My daughter has a new iMac and has a .Mac account. She is looking at 
backup strategies. Wiill backup 3 copy from a burn folder to one DVD, 
when that is full continue on a second one and continue this until 
the backup is done(span it)? Fresh out of the box it is over 16 GB--5 
DVDs or 3 DL.
-- 
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From hfwelch at mac.com  Sat Mar 17 22:15:59 2007
From: hfwelch at mac.com (Holly Welch)
Date: Sat Mar 17 22:16:24 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Info needed
Message-ID: <D2E2F579-8C00-4A18-A711-3094778126C2@mac.com>

In getting ideas for programs, I need a little information. Could  
everyone email me, on or off line, what their skill level is when it  
comes to using the iPod?
Thanks so much!!!!

Holly
vp in charge of programming!


From darcybaston at mac.com  Sat Mar 17 22:27:07 2007
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Sat Mar 17 22:27:32 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Info needed
In-Reply-To: <D2E2F579-8C00-4A18-A711-3094778126C2@mac.com>
References: <D2E2F579-8C00-4A18-A711-3094778126C2@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C9298FFD-E05D-404C-B4E3-CEC1DAB1D3B1@mac.com>

Hmmm, well, I've own 2. One was a 20 gig non color screen HD edition,  
and my current one is an ipod nano with the clear glass look. I've  
used it daily for a year, had photos on it, and even installed ipod  
linux on it to watch movies. I can reboot it, restore it, and have  
trained others on how to use it along with iTunes content management  
strategies. I regularly sync photos, address book entries and ical  
items with it. Beyond that, I'm just a music lover.

Will I be accidentally volunteering myself as a guest speaker the  
more I share? ;)

Darcy


On Mar 17, 2007, at 10:15 PM, Holly Welch wrote:

In getting ideas for programs, I need a little information. Could  
everyone email me, on or off line, what their skill level is when it  
comes to using the iPod?
Thanks so much!!!!

Holly
vp in charge of programming!


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From cwsmith7 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 18 12:19:51 2007
From: cwsmith7 at gmail.com (CW Smith)
Date: Sun Mar 18 12:20:15 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] WTB: Mac Plus
In-Reply-To: <d12.8e4df10.332c8c13@aol.com>
References: <d12.8e4df10.332c8c13@aol.com>
Message-ID: <a82e75f90703181019p385ec1e2l23c1c8d98a74f9c3@mail.gmail.com>

I appreciate the offer, but the Classic doesn't use the same analog
board as the Plus.

This Plus is not my only Mac -- I have over 20 Macs of various
vintages -- I'm trying to restore it for nostalgia's sake. Again, any
Plus in working or *nearly* working order (and at a reasonable cost)
will be much appreciated.

On 3/16/07, CMSSpace@aol.com <CMSSpace@aol.com> wrote:
> I salvaged a Mac Classic out of a neighbor's garbage.  I talked to the
> neighbor. They said they had upgraded to another computer so they were
> throwing it out.  It works perfectly fine.  I have my parent's Mac SE so the
> Classic is just an extra sitting around if you want it.
>
>
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From ccorrice at mchsi.com  Fri Mar 16 22:42:48 2007
From: ccorrice at mchsi.com (Chris Corrice)
Date: Sun Mar 18 22:26:21 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] WTB: Mac Plus
In-Reply-To: <ED3E4A25-DBBF-4D54-B529-08C43C4360AB@gmail.com>
References: <ED3E4A25-DBBF-4D54-B529-08C43C4360AB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A549BC09-FC15-448C-BF80-FDDEE564C18D@mchsi.com>

I think I have TWO SE/30s at home and if so we could talk. I'm not at  
home though, but I'd be happy to look when I get back from the weekend.
Chris
On Mar 16, 2007, at 11:12 AM, CW Smith wrote:

> Looking for a Mac Plus for parts -- specifically the power sweep  
> (analog) board. Case condition is irrelevant, but would prefer as  
> close to working condition as possible. Check your attics,  
> basements, garages?
>
> Thank you,
> CW
>
>
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From ccorrice at mchsi.com  Sun Mar 18 00:03:24 2007
From: ccorrice at mchsi.com (Chris Corrice)
Date: Sun Mar 18 22:26:22 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Info needed
In-Reply-To: <C9298FFD-E05D-404C-B4E3-CEC1DAB1D3B1@mac.com>
References: <D2E2F579-8C00-4A18-A711-3094778126C2@mac.com>
	<C9298FFD-E05D-404C-B4E3-CEC1DAB1D3B1@mac.com>
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I'm not quite as advanced, but I've owned three. (5g video, mini, and  
2g shuffle) I use the shuffle in my day to day life and actually it's  
my iPod of choice for simplicity, durability, and the "what do I  
really want to listen to today since it's 1 gig" factor.
Question away...
On Mar 17, 2007, at 10:27 PM, Darcy Baston wrote:

> Hmmm, well, I've own 2. One was a 20 gig non color screen HD  
> edition, and my current one is an ipod nano with the clear glass  
> look. I've used it daily for a year, had photos on it, and even  
> installed ipod linux on it to watch movies. I can reboot it,  
> restore it, and have trained others on how to use it along with  
> iTunes content management strategies. I regularly sync photos,  
> address book entries and ical items with it. Beyond that, I'm just  
> a music lover.
>
> Will I be accidentally volunteering myself as a guest speaker the  
> more I share? ;)
>
> Darcy
>
>
> On Mar 17, 2007, at 10:15 PM, Holly Welch wrote:
>
> In getting ideas for programs, I need a little information. Could  
> everyone email me, on or off line, what their skill level is when  
> it comes to using the iPod?
> Thanks so much!!!!
>
> Holly
> vp in charge of programming!
>
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From drchad at rohlfsen.com  Mon Mar 19 12:51:20 2007
From: drchad at rohlfsen.com (Chad J. Rohlfsen D.C.)
Date: Mon Mar 19 12:51:46 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] IP printing problems..
Message-ID: <317EDE46-3DC5-424E-B5F7-79DEE4C2D607@rohlfsen.com>

Hello all,

Newbie here, but been a mac user for 20+ years....  I have 2 mini's  
at my place of work networked with a router and a bridged quest modem

My question is how do I access my printer outside of the apple  
network?  Inside the apple network it prints like a charm...

I have a static IP, but cannot for some reason access the HP color  
laserjet 2550...   I have it tied into the router with a dlink print  
server...

If anybody has any ideas...   I would sure appreciate it.



Chiropractically yours,


Chad J. Rohlfsen D.C.
Rohlfsen Family Chiropractic, P.C.
8460 Birchwood CT Ste 600
Johnston, Ia 50131
515 727 4000
www.rohlfsen.com
drchad@rohlfsen.com

"Hey,  LIFE happens....    We just Adjust"


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From ka_klick at mac.com  Mon Mar 19 13:43:32 2007
From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker)
Date: Mon Mar 19 13:43:59 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] IP printing problems..
In-Reply-To: <317EDE46-3DC5-424E-B5F7-79DEE4C2D607@rohlfsen.com>
References: <317EDE46-3DC5-424E-B5F7-79DEE4C2D607@rohlfsen.com>
Message-ID: <7C58B5DE-0441-47B5-9997-059204E61B09@mac.com>

Are you talking abut remote printing via the internet?
If you're talking about printing from the outside, you need to get  
your router to route packets for the port that IPP operates on (631  
iirc) to the static IP you have for the printer server. It's really  
likely that your mac network and printer are on a private (ips  
starting in either 10. or 129.168.) network and the router is doing  
simple NAT (this is the usual method). Sorry if you're talking about  
something else.

On Mar 19, 2007, at 12:51 PM, Chad J. Rohlfsen D.C. wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Newbie here, but been a mac user for 20+ years....  I have 2 mini's  
> at my place of work networked with a router and a bridged quest modem
>
> My question is how do I access my printer outside of the apple  
> network?  Inside the apple network it prints like a charm...
>
> I have a static IP, but cannot for some reason access the HP color  
> laserjet 2550...   I have it tied into the router with a dlink  
> print server...
>
> If anybody has any ideas...   I would sure appreciate it.
>
>
>
> Chiropractically yours,
>
>
> Chad J. Rohlfsen D.C.
> Rohlfsen Family Chiropractic, P.C.
> 8460 Birchwood CT Ste 600
> Johnston, Ia 50131
> 515 727 4000
> www.rohlfsen.com
> drchad@rohlfsen.com
>
> "Hey,  LIFE happens....    We just Adjust"
>
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With 2 New CDs!!! See my website for details
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From drchad at rohlfsen.com  Tue Mar 20 14:13:25 2007
From: drchad at rohlfsen.com (Chad J. Rohlfsen D.C.)
Date: Tue Mar 20 14:13:51 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Re: Dmmug Digest, Vol 23, Issue 20
In-Reply-To: <20070320170003.F07C784CD@www.cialug.org>
References: <20070320170003.F07C784CD@www.cialug.org>
Message-ID: <F7E4425A-0B7A-4F8C-B2B7-A59409C25DAF@rohlfsen.com>

Just found out my D-Link print server is not VPN compatible...

Does anyone know of a print server that will allow me to print from  
outside my apple network?

Thanks


Chiropractically yours,


Chad J. Rohlfsen D.C.
Rohlfsen Family Chiropractic, P.C.
8460 Birchwood CT Ste 600
Johnston, Ia 50131
515 727 4000
www.rohlfsen.com
drchad@rohlfsen.com

"Hey,  LIFE happens....    We just Adjust"


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> Reply-To: Des Moines Mac Users Group <dmmug@dmmug.org>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> Newbie here, but been a mac user for 20+ years....  I have 2 mini's  
> at my place of work networked with a router and a bridged quest modem
>
> My question is how do I access my printer outside of the apple  
> network?  Inside the apple network it prints like a charm...
>
> I have a static IP, but cannot for some reason access the HP color  
> laserjet 2550...   I have it tied into the router with a dlink  
> print server...
>
> If anybody has any ideas...   I would sure appreciate it.
>
>
>
> Chiropractically yours,
>
>
> Chad J. Rohlfsen D.C.
> Rohlfsen Family Chiropractic, P.C.
> 8460 Birchwood CT Ste 600
> Johnston, Ia 50131
> 515 727 4000
> www.rohlfsen.com
> drchad@rohlfsen.com
>
> "Hey,  LIFE happens....    We just Adjust"
>
>
>
> From: Bryan Baker <ka_klick@mac.com>
> Date: March 19, 2007 1:43:32 PM CDT
> To: Des Moines Mac Users Group <dmmug@dmmug.org>
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] IP printing problems..
> Reply-To: Des Moines Mac Users Group <dmmug@dmmug.org>
>
>
> Are you talking abut remote printing via the internet?
> If you're talking about printing from the outside, you need to get  
> your router to route packets for the port that IPP operates on (631  
> iirc) to the static IP you have for the printer server. It's really  
> likely that your mac network and printer are on a private (ips  
> starting in either 10. or 129.168.) network and the router is doing  
> simple NAT (this is the usual method). Sorry if you're talking  
> about something else.
>

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From homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net  Thu Mar 22 15:53:19 2007
From: homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net (Roses Derise)
Date: Thu Mar 22 15:53:10 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] FW: glumbert.com - The Apple iRack
In-Reply-To: <038e01c76cc0$8f002320$ad006960$@com>
Message-ID: <C22856EF.F00%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>


If this is outside the protocol of this group, I hope you?ll forgive me, but
this is too funny (and sad) to not pass when they are using Apple to get a
point across. :-) Roses

http://www.glumbert.com/media/irack




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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Thu Mar 22 16:35:56 2007
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Thu Mar 22 16:36:21 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] FW: glumbert.com - The Apple iRack
In-Reply-To: <C22856EF.F00%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>
References: <C22856EF.F00%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>
Message-ID: <p06240609c228a7039247@[10.0.1.3]>

ROFL

The politics don't belong here.

At 3:53 PM -0500 3/22/07, Roses Derise wrote:
>If this is outside the protocol of this group, I hope you'll forgive 
>me, but this is too funny (and sad) to not pass when they are using 
>Apple to get a point across. :-) Roses
>
><http://www.glumbert.com/media/irack>http://www.glumbert.com/media/irack
>
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From homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net  Fri Mar 23 09:40:53 2007
From: homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net (Roses Derise)
Date: Fri Mar 23 09:40:43 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] FW: glumbert.com - The Apple iRack
In-Reply-To: <p06240609c228a7039247@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <C2295125.F10%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>

Sorry if you felt offended. I sent it less to be political than to share the
rather good apple-related humor. :-) Roses


On 3/22/07 4:35 PM, "Ray Bowler" <rbowler@mchsi.com> wrote:

> ROFL
> 
> The politics don't belong here.
> 
> At 3:53 PM -0500 3/22/07, Roses Derise wrote:
>> If this is outside the protocol of this group, I hope you'll forgive
>> me, but this is too funny (and sad) to not pass when they are using
>> Apple to get a point across. :-) Roses
>> 
>> <http://www.glumbert.com/media/irack>http://www.glumbert.com/media/irack
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From jonsharyl at prairieinet.net  Fri Mar 23 09:57:09 2007
From: jonsharyl at prairieinet.net (Jon Engelhardt)
Date: Fri Mar 23 09:57:32 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] FW: glumbert.com - The Apple iRack
In-Reply-To: <C2295125.F10%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>
References: <C2295125.F10%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>
Message-ID: <4A73F11A-F41B-4FAF-8F40-7A0FC5DCC02A@prairieinet.net>

Aside from the politics it was hilarious and for the Mac devtoee it's  
a must see, not offended by the hilarity at all.
Jon
On Mar 23, 2007, at 9:40 AM, Roses Derise wrote:

> Sorry if you felt offended. I sent it less to be political than to  
> share the
> rather good apple-related humor. :-) Roses
>
>
> On 3/22/07 4:35 PM, "Ray Bowler" <rbowler@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
>> ROFL
>>
>> The politics don't belong here.
>>
>> At 3:53 PM -0500 3/22/07, Roses Derise wrote:
>>> If this is outside the protocol of this group, I hope you'll forgive
>>> me, but this is too funny (and sad) to not pass when they are using
>>> Apple to get a point across. :-) Roses
>>>
>>> <http://www.glumbert.com/media/irack>http://www.glumbert.com/ 
>>> media/irack
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Fri Mar 23 10:06:19 2007
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Fri Mar 23 10:06:44 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] FW: glumbert.com - The Apple iRack
In-Reply-To: <C2295125.F10%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>
References: <C2295125.F10%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>
Message-ID: <p0624060bc2299b85e0bd@[10.0.1.3]>

Roses,

Glad to see you on the list.

I am not offended in fact I love it. ROFL means "rolling on the floor 
laughing".  It is still not appropriate for this list where many 
political views are present. I avoid politics on lists unless the 
list specifically says it is all right.

At 9:40 AM -0500 3/23/07, Roses Derise wrote:
>Sorry if you felt offended. I sent it less to be political than to share the
>rather good apple-related humor. :-) Roses
>
>
>On 3/22/07 4:35 PM, "Ray Bowler" <rbowler@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
>>  ROFL
>>
>>  The politics don't belong here.
>>
>>  At 3:53 PM -0500 3/22/07, Roses Derise wrote:
>>>  If this is outside the protocol of this group, I hope you'll forgive
>>>  me, but this is too funny (and sad) to not pass when they are using
>>>  Apple to get a point across. :-) Roses
>>>
>>>  <http://www.glumbert.com/media/irack>http://www.glumbert.com/media/irack
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net  Fri Mar 23 10:19:34 2007
From: homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net (Roses Derise)
Date: Fri Mar 23 10:19:21 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] FW: glumbert.com - The Apple iRack
In-Reply-To: <p0624060bc2299b85e0bd@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <C2295A36.F15%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>

Thanks for letting me know the lingo (ROFL) and for appreciating the humor.
I promise not to send anything political again. ;-) Roses

P.S. Speaking of humor and lingo, are y'all ever called "MUGgles"? Wasn't
that the name in the Harry Potter films for "regular" people?


On 3/23/07 10:06 AM, "Ray Bowler" <rbowler@mchsi.com> wrote:

> Roses,
> 
> Glad to see you on the list.
> 
> I am not offended in fact I love it. ROFL means "rolling on the floor
> laughing".  It is still not appropriate for this list where many
> political views are present. I avoid politics on lists unless the
> list specifically says it is all right.
> 
> At 9:40 AM -0500 3/23/07, Roses Derise wrote:
>> Sorry if you felt offended. I sent it less to be political than to share the
>> rather good apple-related humor. :-) Roses
>> 
>> 
>> On 3/22/07 4:35 PM, "Ray Bowler" <rbowler@mchsi.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>  ROFL
>>> 
>>>  The politics don't belong here.
>>> 
>>>  At 3:53 PM -0500 3/22/07, Roses Derise wrote:
>>>>  If this is outside the protocol of this group, I hope you'll forgive
>>>>  me, but this is too funny (and sad) to not pass when they are using
>>>>  Apple to get a point across. :-) Roses
>>>> 
>>>>  <http://www.glumbert.com/media/irack>http://www.glumbert.com/media/irack
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From chris at kavanaughgallery.com  Fri Mar 23 10:23:26 2007
From: chris at kavanaughgallery.com (Chris)
Date: Fri Mar 23 10:24:00 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] FW: glumbert.com - The Apple iRack
In-Reply-To: <4A73F11A-F41B-4FAF-8F40-7A0FC5DCC02A@prairieinet.net>
References: <C2295125.F10%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>
	<4A73F11A-F41B-4FAF-8F40-7A0FC5DCC02A@prairieinet.net>
Message-ID: <CF6FD96D-56D1-4F9A-84D7-B50FEECF9B3C@kavanaughgallery.com>

I hope that there are not people trolling the list looking for things  
to be offended by. I think that this is hilarious in so many ways.  
When it aired on mad tv my wife and I really were ROLF'ing. IMHO No  
harm, no fowl. Chris



she is yours.
After a time ...
you may find that having ...
is not so pleasing a thing after all ...
as wanting.
It is not logical,
but it is often true.

On Mar 23, 2007, at 9:57 AM, Jon Engelhardt wrote:

> Aside from the politics it was hilarious and for the Mac devtoee  
> it's a must see, not offended by the hilarity at all.
> Jon
> On Mar 23, 2007, at 9:40 AM, Roses Derise wrote:
>
>> Sorry if you felt offended. I sent it less to be political than to  
>> share the
>> rather good apple-related humor. :-) Roses
>>
>>
>> On 3/22/07 4:35 PM, "Ray Bowler" <rbowler@mchsi.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ROFL
>>>
>>> The politics don't belong here.
>>>
>>> At 3:53 PM -0500 3/22/07, Roses Derise wrote:
>>>> If this is outside the protocol of this group, I hope you'll  
>>>> forgive
>>>> me, but this is too funny (and sad) to not pass when they are using
>>>> Apple to get a point across. :-) Roses
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.glumbert.com/media/irack>http://www.glumbert.com/ 
>>>> media/irack
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Fri Mar 23 10:31:20 2007
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Fri Mar 23 10:31:50 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] FW: glumbert.com - The Apple iRack
In-Reply-To: <C2295A36.F15%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>
References: <C2295A36.F15%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>
Message-ID: <p06240610c229a30fa548@[10.0.1.3]>

We've been call a lot of things but MUGgles is a new one.

At 10:19 AM -0500 3/23/07, Roses Derise wrote:
>
>P.S. Speaking of humor and lingo, are y'all ever called "MUGgles"? Wasn't
>that the name in the Harry Potter films for "regular" people?
>

-- 
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From darcybaston at mac.com  Fri Mar 23 10:56:39 2007
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Fri Mar 23 10:57:05 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] FW: glumbert.com - The Apple iRack
In-Reply-To: <4A73F11A-F41B-4FAF-8F40-7A0FC5DCC02A@prairieinet.net>
References: <C2295125.F10%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>
	<4A73F11A-F41B-4FAF-8F40-7A0FC5DCC02A@prairieinet.net>
Message-ID: <2A51475E-0111-1000-F955-6236EDEAD0D3-Webmail-10007@mac.com>

I recorded the entire show using an EyeTV Hybrid. It looks great. If anyone needs to download a high quality version of it, let me know and I'll host it.

Darcy

 
On Friday, March 23, 2007, at 09:57AM, "Jon Engelhardt" <jonsharyl@prairieinet.net> wrote:
>Aside from the politics it was hilarious and for the Mac devtoee it's  
>a must see, not offended by the hilarity at all.
>Jon
From treeguy at crosspaths.net  Fri Mar 23 20:42:09 2007
From: treeguy at crosspaths.net (Doug Blakely)
Date: Fri Mar 23 20:42:55 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Irack
Message-ID: <C229EC21.84C%treeguy@crosspaths.net>

As a DMUG member I loved it. The politics portrayed was not the message. The
message was to see what is being done using our favorite and beloved
computer. Good stuff and no apologies needed. This was not politics, this
was iMac fun!

Doug Blakely
Certified Arborist
TreeGuy@Crosspaths.net
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From jonsharyl at prairieinet.net  Fri Mar 23 20:48:58 2007
From: jonsharyl at prairieinet.net (Jon Engelhardt)
Date: Fri Mar 23 20:49:42 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Irack
In-Reply-To: <C229EC21.84C%treeguy@crosspaths.net>
References: <C229EC21.84C%treeguy@crosspaths.net>
Message-ID: <A9CF0D8C-3885-417A-8AC0-E51BEA58C4E9@prairieinet.net>

Doug,
Are you familiar with the Brenton Arboretum?  We live about 1 mile  
from it and walk there frequently.  There is a gorgeous covered area  
there, maybe we could have a sunset DMMUG meeting there.  Beautiful  
sunset, perfect setting, wine/cheese and good fellowship.
Jon
On Mar 23, 2007, at 8:42 PM, Doug Blakely wrote:

> As a DMUG member I loved it. The politics portrayed was not the  
> message. The message was to see what is being done using our  
> favorite and beloved computer. Good stuff and no apologies needed.  
> This was not politics, this was iMac fun!
>
> Doug Blakely
> Certified Arborist
> TreeGuy@Crosspaths.net
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From jlagnese at gmail.com  Fri Mar 23 22:33:12 2007
From: jlagnese at gmail.com (jim lagnese)
Date: Fri Mar 23 22:34:03 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Irack
In-Reply-To: <A9CF0D8C-3885-417A-8AC0-E51BEA58C4E9@prairieinet.net>
Message-ID: <C22A0628.4A1D2%jlagnese@gmail.com>

A friend of mine is the arborist at Brenton.


On 3/23/07 8:48 PM, "Jon Engelhardt" <jonsharyl@prairieinet.net> wrote:

> Doug,
> Are you familiar with the Brenton Arboretum?? We live about 1 mile from it and
> walk there frequently.? There is a gorgeous covered area there, maybe we could
> have a sunset DMMUG meeting there.? Beautiful sunset, perfect setting,
> wine/cheese and good fellowship.
> Jon
> On Mar 23, 2007, at 8:42 PM, Doug Blakely wrote:
> 
>>  As a DMUG member I loved it. The politics portrayed was not the message. The
>> message was to see what is being done using our favorite and beloved
>> computer. Good stuff and no apologies needed. This was not politics, this was
>> iMac fun!
>>  
>>  Doug Blakely
>>  Certified Arborist
>>  TreeGuy@Crosspaths.net
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From kickfire at i-rule.net  Sat Mar 24 11:41:14 2007
From: kickfire at i-rule.net (kickfire@i-rule.net)
Date: Sat Mar 24 11:43:17 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Irack
In-Reply-To: <C229EC21.84C%treeguy@crosspaths.net>
References: <C229EC21.84C%treeguy@crosspaths.net>
Message-ID: <0C58E686-112C-4A04-BBB8-EA356DD188B6@i-rule.net>

I think your pretty self delusional if you think after watching that,  
that the message was not political. Must be nice in your world, hows  
the unicorns?


dave
On Mar 23, 2007, at 8:42 PM, Doug Blakely wrote:

As a DMUG member I loved it. The politics portrayed was not the  
message. The message was to see what is being done using our favorite  
and beloved computer. Good stuff and no apologies needed. This was  
not politics, this was iMac fun!

Doug Blakely
Certified Arborist
TreeGuy@Crosspaths.net
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"Christianity isn't something you profess with your mouth, it's  
something you profess with your life" D Bernal

"It behooves every man to remember that the work of the critic is of  
altogether scondary importance, and that, in the end, progress is  
accomplished by the man who DOES things" Theodore Roosevelt

"Never argue with an idiot; they'll drag you down to their level and  
beat you with experience" anonymous


Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.


From jlagnese at gmail.com  Sat Mar 24 12:01:59 2007
From: jlagnese at gmail.com (jim lagnese)
Date: Sat Mar 24 12:02:51 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Irack
In-Reply-To: <0C58E686-112C-4A04-BBB8-EA356DD188B6@i-rule.net>
Message-ID: <C22AC3B7.4A2A1%jlagnese@gmail.com>

Even Gallaudet graduates could infer it was political...






-- 
Egotism is the anaesthetic that dulls the pain of stupidity.

Frank Leahy



On 3/24/07 11:41 AM, "kickfire@i-rule.net" <kickfire@i-rule.net> wrote:

> I think your pretty self delusional if you think after watching that,
> that the message was not political. Must be nice in your world, hows
> the unicorns?
> 
> 
> dave
> On Mar 23, 2007, at 8:42 PM, Doug Blakely wrote:
> 
> As a DMUG member I loved it. The politics portrayed was not the
> message. The message was to see what is being done using our favorite
> and beloved computer. Good stuff and no apologies needed. This was
> not politics, this was iMac fun!
> 
> Doug Blakely
> Certified Arborist
> TreeGuy@Crosspaths.net
> _______________________________________________
> Dmmug mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> Dmmug@dmmug.org
> Use this page to modify subscription options:
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> 
> "Christianity isn't something you profess with your mouth, it's
> something you profess with your life" D Bernal
> 
> "It behooves every man to remember that the work of the critic is of
> altogether scondary importance, and that, in the end, progress is
> accomplished by the man who DOES things" Theodore Roosevelt
> 
> "Never argue with an idiot; they'll drag you down to their level and
> beat you with experience" anonymous
> 
> 
> Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
> 
> 
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From darcybaston at mac.com  Sun Mar 25 08:03:40 2007
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Sun Mar 25 08:04:12 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] backups, external FW drives, and concatenated RAID
Message-ID: <4B636ECE-E81F-484F-A74C-772156A404A4@mac.com>

I ran out of room on my external 250GB Archive drives (one source,  
one backup) this weekend. So I bought a new external 500GB WD MyBook  
Firewire drive, and used OS X's Disk Utility RAID features to  
concatenate the two 250GB externals to act as the 500GB backup  
solution for the new 500GB drive.

It took 30 seconds to set all this up. I couldn't believe how easy it  
was. The fact that Apple brought RAID functionality to home users,  
and it made it very easy to do, just impresses me to no end. :)

Screen capture : http://farm1.static.flickr.com/ 
172/433482736_05ef2e29fa_o.png

Darcy
From robolaw at aol.com  Sun Mar 25 12:55:24 2007
From: robolaw at aol.com (Michael R. Hoffmann)
Date: Sun Mar 25 12:56:13 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] External HD
Message-ID: <691EED9F-8CA2-4689-BA53-A2599A491BFD@aol.com>

I used an external firewire  AcomData HD120U2FE-72 to hold data for  
another computer in the office while I set up a RAID for it. Used  
Disk Utility to transfer everything to it in the process, erased it  
renamed it back to its old name when I was done. All went well until  
I put it back on my machine to resume its usual back up service. Now  
my Quicksilver running up to date system software as was the iMac I  
was working with won't mount it even in Disk Utility. It shows in  
System Profiler as unknown device with a generic firewire 400  
profile. When I take it back to the iMac i was working with it works  
fine?

Ideas?

Very truly yours,
Michael R. Hoffmann
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From robolaw at aol.com  Mon Mar 26 14:40:10 2007
From: robolaw at aol.com (Michael R. Hoffmann)
Date: Mon Mar 26 14:40:44 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] External HD
In-Reply-To: <691EED9F-8CA2-4689-BA53-A2599A491BFD@aol.com>
References: <691EED9F-8CA2-4689-BA53-A2599A491BFD@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1905AFF9-6030-4820-8329-1596A9E8E1E4@aol.com>

Got it. I think it was an ownership issue. I put it back on the iMac  
got info & checked ignore ownership.
On Mar 25, 2007, at 12:55 PM, Michael R. Hoffmann wrote:

> I used an external firewire  AcomData HD120U2FE-72 to hold data for  
> another computer in the office while I set up a RAID for it. Used  
> Disk Utility to transfer everything to it in the process, erased it  
> renamed it back to its old name when I was done. All went well  
> until I put it back on my machine to resume its usual back up  
> service. Now my Quicksilver running up to date system software as  
> was the iMac I was working with won't mount it even in Disk  
> Utility. It shows in System Profiler as unknown device with a  
> generic firewire 400 profile. When I take it back to the iMac i was  
> working with it works fine?
>
> Ideas?
>
> Very truly yours,
> Michael R. Hoffmann
> NOTICE: This e-mail (including any attachments) is covered by the  
> electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 USC ??2510-2521, is  
> confidential and may contain attorney-client materials and/or  
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> communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender  
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> it and all copies of it. Thank you.
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From lists at herringlaw.com  Mon Mar 26 16:17:44 2007
From: lists at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Mon Mar 26 16:21:20 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: User Group Special - Save $25 OFF Parallels Desktop
	for Mac
Message-ID: <p06240818c22de8f340ac@[192.168.0.4]>

>X-From_: ehayes@parallels.com  Mon Mar 26 15:58:06 2007
>From: "Erica Hayes" <ehayes@parallels.com>
>To: "Erica Hayes" <ehayes@parallels.com>
>Subject: User Group Special - Save $25 OFF Parallels Desktop for Mac
>Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:58:16 -0800
>Thread-Index: Acdv6XndUBkHv7r3SdaG8qWzlEN4Mw==
>
>Hello again!
>
>First and foremost, thank you very much for your efforts in helping us offer
>this special discount to your members.  As this is the last week of our user
>group special, I am sending out one last reminder.  Please find below a
>reminder message to communicate to your members in whatever way is most
>convenient for you.  The link to the webpage is
>http://www.parallels.com/announcement/desktop/10 and as always, let me know
>if you have any questions.
>
>Again, thank you very much!
>
>Best regards,
>Erica Hayes
>Parallels, Inc.
>ehayes@parallels.com
>
>
>
>As excited as we were to offer you the chance to get Parallels Desktop for
>Mac for just $54.99, we never thought that this exclusive discount would be
>so well-received.
>
>Once again, thank you for your tremendous impact on our success!
>
>However, we would also like to remind you that this special offer is almost
>over, and we don't want you to miss out on this exclusive opportunity to
>save $25 OFF the retail price.  This offer expires on March 31, 2007.
>
>This is the last week to get Parallels Desktop for Mac for only $54.99!
>
>Act today and SAVE $25 OFF the retail price when you buy Parallels Desktop
>for Mac!
>
>This offer expires on March 31, 2007.


-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research, 
planning & Photography site and blog, 
<http://www.JourneyZing.com/blog>;  Des Moines, Iowa, ph.515-255-4475.
From darcybaston at mac.com  Tue Mar 27 06:05:57 2007
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Tue Mar 27 06:06:26 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: User Group Special - Save $25 OFF Parallels
	Desktop	for Mac
In-Reply-To: <p06240818c22de8f340ac@[192.168.0.4]>
References: <p06240818c22de8f340ac@[192.168.0.4]>
Message-ID: <2525F255-E58E-4C62-843C-9D18E922066A@mac.com>

I'd love to take advantage of this! Only....

*stares at really pretty and very useful in all other situations G5  
tower*



On Mar 26, 2007, at 4:17 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> X-From_: ehayes@parallels.com  Mon Mar 26 15:58:06 2007
> From: "Erica Hayes" <ehayes@parallels.com>
> To: "Erica Hayes" <ehayes@parallels.com>
> Subject: User Group Special - Save $25 OFF Parallels Desktop for Mac
> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:58:16 -0800
> Thread-Index: Acdv6XndUBkHv7r3SdaG8qWzlEN4Mw==
>
> Hello again!
>
> First and foremost, thank you very much for your efforts in helping  
> us offer
> this special discount to your members.  As this is the last week of  
> our user
> group special, I am sending out one last reminder.  Please find  
> below a
> reminder message to communicate to your members in whatever way is  
> most
> convenient for you.  The link to the webpage is
> http://www.parallels.com/announcement/desktop/10 and as always, let  
> me know
> if you have any questions.
>
> Again, thank you very much!
>
> Best regards,
> Erica Hayes
> Parallels, Inc.
> ehayes@parallels.com
>
>
>
> As excited as we were to offer you the chance to get Parallels  
> Desktop for
> Mac for just $54.99, we never thought that this exclusive discount  
> would be
> so well-received.
>
> Once again, thank you for your tremendous impact on our success!
>
> However, we would also like to remind you that this special offer  
> is almost
> over, and we don't want you to miss out on this exclusive  
> opportunity to
> save $25 OFF the retail price.  This offer expires on March 31, 2007.
>
> This is the last week to get Parallels Desktop for Mac for only  
> $54.99!
>
> Act today and SAVE $25 OFF the retail price when you buy Parallels  
> Desktop
> for Mac!
>
> This offer expires on March 31, 2007.


-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination &  
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research,  
planning & Photography site and blog, <http://www.JourneyZing.com/ 
blog>;  Des Moines, Iowa, ph.515-255-4475.
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From lists at herringlaw.com  Tue Mar 27 06:56:13 2007
From: lists at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue Mar 27 06:57:50 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] backups, external FW drives, and concatenated RAID
In-Reply-To: <4B636ECE-E81F-484F-A74C-772156A404A4@mac.com>
References: <4B636ECE-E81F-484F-A74C-772156A404A4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p06240805c22eb68fa10a@[192.168.0.4]>

>I ran out of room on my external 250GB Archive drives (one source, 
>one backup) this weekend. So I bought a new external 500GB WD MyBook 
>Firewire drive, and used OS X's Disk Utility RAID features to 
>concatenate the two 250GB externals to act as the 500GB backup 
>solution for the new 500GB drive.

Darcy I really hate to sound stupid, and it IS early, but perhaps you 
could explain to me what the value of a RAID is and what 
concatenation is and why this is better than the two source and 
backup drive system you had....the picture was a big help but I'm 
missing some of the early explanation....
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research, 
planning & Photography site and blog, 
<http://www.JourneyZing.com/blog>;  Des Moines, Iowa, ph.515-255-4475.
From lists at herringlaw.com  Tue Mar 27 07:15:25 2007
From: lists at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue Mar 27 07:15:55 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Tonight's meeting....
Message-ID: <p06240806c22ebace9f91@[192.168.0.4]>

Holly will be posting more details soon, but be sure to come and 
share in the discussion and sharing.  It'll be at the usual place and 
time = 7pm at Haddock Computers on 8th ST. and it'd be good to find 
out what ideas people have about programming and what other things we 
should be doing.....See you there.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research, 
planning & Photography site and blog, 
<http://www.JourneyZing.com/blog>;  Des Moines, Iowa, ph.515-255-4475.
From darcybaston at mac.com  Tue Mar 27 08:54:21 2007
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Tue Mar 27 08:55:06 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] backups, external FW drives, and concatenated RAID
In-Reply-To: <p06240805c22eb68fa10a@[192.168.0.4]>
References: <4B636ECE-E81F-484F-A74C-772156A404A4@mac.com>
	<p06240805c22eb68fa10a@[192.168.0.4]>
Message-ID: <E2C8DB90-0111-1000-8A76-80B42F6AC2E7-Webmail-10009@mac.com>

Sure! 

Here's what my archive setup was before:

1 Firewire HD 250GB (in use)
1 Firewire HD 250GB (backup of other)
 
Here's what I have now

1 Firewire HD 500GB (in use, what I bought just recently)
1 RAID  (1 Firewire HD 250GB + 1 Firewire HD 250GB) = 500GB, mounts on desktop as one HD of 500GB (backup of other)


Using the RAID features of Disk Utility, I told it to add the 250GB capacity of one of the drives to the end of the 250th gigabyte (relatively speaking) of the other, and mount it on the desktop as one single 500GB drive. It's an illusion that there is one drive of 500GB, when it's really just 2 drives of 250GB each. "Concatenation" means "put the space of one at the end of the other so when one fills up, spill over to the other, but only ever show me one drive icon/device".

That gave me a new pseudo 500GB drive. That left me with just one device, and no backup drive for that new higher capacity pseudo device, so I bought an external single 500GB drive. The new 500GB single unit is the one I'm now using as the archive, and the RAID Concatenated setup is the backup.

This means I have 3 external hard drives. I'd love to go back to two. If anybody wants to buy the 2x250GB drives, I'll gladly use the money to put towards another single 500GB drive. :) They're only 6 months old if anyone's interested.

Darcy

On Tuesday, March 27, 2007, at 06:57AM, "Victoria L. Herring" <lists@herringlaw.com> wrote:
>>I ran out of room on my external 250GB Archive drives (one source, 
>>one backup) this weekend. So I bought a new external 500GB WD MyBook 
>>Firewire drive, and used OS X's Disk Utility RAID features to 
>>concatenate the two 250GB externals to act as the 500GB backup 
>>solution for the new 500GB drive.
>
>Darcy I really hate to sound stupid, and it IS early, but perhaps you 
>could explain to me what the value of a RAID is and what 
>concatenation is and why this is better than the two source and 
>backup drive system you had....the picture was a big help but I'm 
>missing some of the early explanation....
From hfwelch at mac.com  Tue Mar 27 09:11:52 2007
From: hfwelch at mac.com (Holly Welch)
Date: Tue Mar 27 09:12:20 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Meeting 3/27
Message-ID: <917F8FB4-311F-4C1E-AED5-E02E26B621F9@mac.com>

Join us tonight for "everything iPod!"

Chris Corrice will be our presenter. Chris has posted online, but has  
never been to a meeting......Welcome, Chris!

Please join us at Haddock Computer
			801 73rd St # I
			Windsor Heights, IA 50312
			(515) 225-9040

			7pm
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From kisnerj at dwx.com  Tue Mar 27 09:18:44 2007
From: kisnerj at dwx.com (John Kisner)
Date: Tue Mar 27 09:19:07 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Meeting 3/27
In-Reply-To: 917F8FB4-311F-4C1E-AED5-E02E26B621F9@mac.com
References: 917F8FB4-311F-4C1E-AED5-E02E26B621F9@mac.com
Message-ID: <9A3D3858-5BC1-4A80-AA27-9ED672BAE38E@dwx.com>

What happened to "new Mac setup" per the web site?  This is the first  
I've heard of this being an iPod meeting, but maybe I haven't been  
paying attention.
From ka_klick at mac.com  Tue Mar 27 10:00:25 2007
From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker)
Date: Tue Mar 27 10:01:04 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: User Group Special - Save $25 OFF Parallels	Desktop
	for Mac
In-Reply-To: <2525F255-E58E-4C62-843C-9D18E922066A@mac.com>
References: <p06240818c22de8f340ac@[192.168.0.4]>
	<2525F255-E58E-4C62-843C-9D18E922066A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <187492AE-3C77-4126-8499-89727DF20A78@mac.com>

Hehe, yeah, me too.

On Mar 27, 2007, at 6:05 AM, Darcy Baston wrote:
> I'd love to take advantage of this! Only....
>
> *stares at really pretty and very useful in all other situations G5  
> tower*
>
>
>
> On Mar 26, 2007, at 4:17 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
>
>> X-From_: ehayes@parallels.com  Mon Mar 26 15:58:06 2007
>> From: "Erica Hayes" <ehayes@parallels.com>
>> To: "Erica Hayes" <ehayes@parallels.com>
>> Subject: User Group Special - Save $25 OFF Parallels Desktop for Mac
>> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:58:16 -0800
>> Thread-Index: Acdv6XndUBkHv7r3SdaG8qWzlEN4Mw==
>>
>> Hello again!
>>
>> First and foremost, thank you very much for your efforts in  
>> helping us offer
>> this special discount to your members.  As this is the last week  
>> of our user
>> group special, I am sending out one last reminder.  Please find  
>> below a
>> reminder message to communicate to your members in whatever way is  
>> most
>> convenient for you.  The link to the webpage is
>> http://www.parallels.com/announcement/desktop/10 and as always,  
>> let me know
>> if you have any questions.
>>
>> Again, thank you very much!
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Erica Hayes
>> Parallels, Inc.
>> ehayes@parallels.com
>>
>>
>>
>> As excited as we were to offer you the chance to get Parallels  
>> Desktop for
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From ka_klick at mac.com  Tue Mar 27 10:29:46 2007
From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker)
Date: Tue Mar 27 10:30:32 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] backups, external FW drives, and concatenated RAID
In-Reply-To: <E2C8DB90-0111-1000-8A76-80B42F6AC2E7-Webmail-10009@mac.com>
References: <4B636ECE-E81F-484F-A74C-772156A404A4@mac.com>
	<p06240805c22eb68fa10a@[192.168.0.4]>
	<E2C8DB90-0111-1000-8A76-80B42F6AC2E7-Webmail-10009@mac.com>
Message-ID: <3551F413-8E5D-4906-B56E-2D411019A176@mac.com>

You might also be able to use another RAID feature to mirror the 500  
to the 250's. Not too sure if that'd work right though.

RAID 0 = Striping - Faster, but no redundancy, so loss of 1 drive is  
catastrophic.
RAID 1 = Mirroring - As the name implies 1 (or more) drives mirror  
the other - 100% redundant, but you loose capacity.
RIAD 5 = Striping with parity - common, but popularity is fading,  
more reliable than 0, but less than 1.

There are lots of other permutations and variations, but those are  
some of the more common.


On Mar 27, 2007, at 8:54 AM, Darcy Baston wrote:
> Sure!
>
> Here's what my archive setup was before:
>
> 1 Firewire HD 250GB (in use)
> 1 Firewire HD 250GB (backup of other)
>
> Here's what I have now
>
> 1 Firewire HD 500GB (in use, what I bought just recently)
> 1 RAID  (1 Firewire HD 250GB + 1 Firewire HD 250GB) = 500GB, mounts  
> on desktop as one HD of 500GB (backup of other)
>
>
> Using the RAID features of Disk Utility, I told it to add the 250GB  
> capacity of one of the drives to the end of the 250th gigabyte  
> (relatively speaking) of the other, and mount it on the desktop as  
> one single 500GB drive. It's an illusion that there is one drive of  
> 500GB, when it's really just 2 drives of 250GB each.  
> "Concatenation" means "put the space of one at the end of the other  
> so when one fills up, spill over to the other, but only ever show  
> me one drive icon/device".
>
> That gave me a new pseudo 500GB drive. That left me with just one  
> device, and no backup drive for that new higher capacity pseudo  
> device, so I bought an external single 500GB drive. The new 500GB  
> single unit is the one I'm now using as the archive, and the RAID  
> Concatenated setup is the backup.
>
> This means I have 3 external hard drives. I'd love to go back to  
> two. If anybody wants to buy the 2x250GB drives, I'll gladly use  
> the money to put towards another single 500GB drive. :) They're  
> only 6 months old if anyone's interested.
>
> Darcy
>
> On Tuesday, March 27, 2007, at 06:57AM, "Victoria L. Herring"  
> <lists@herringlaw.com> wrote:
>>> I ran out of room on my external 250GB Archive drives (one source,
>>> one backup) this weekend. So I bought a new external 500GB WD MyBook
>>> Firewire drive, and used OS X's Disk Utility RAID features to
>>> concatenate the two 250GB externals to act as the 500GB backup
>>> solution for the new 500GB drive.
>>
>> Darcy I really hate to sound stupid, and it IS early, but perhaps you
>> could explain to me what the value of a RAID is and what
>> concatenation is and why this is better than the two source and
>> backup drive system you had....the picture was a big help but I'm
>> missing some of the early explanation....
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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Tue Mar 27 11:06:15 2007
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Tue Mar 27 11:06:50 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] backups, external FW drives, and concatenated RAID
In-Reply-To: <3551F413-8E5D-4906-B56E-2D411019A176@mac.com>
References: <4B636ECE-E81F-484F-A74C-772156A404A4@mac.com>
	<p06240805c22eb68fa10a@[192.168.0.4]>
	<E2C8DB90-0111-1000-8A76-80B42F6AC2E7-Webmail-10009@mac.com>
	<3551F413-8E5D-4906-B56E-2D411019A176@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p06240609c22ef14b92d0@[10.0.1.3]>

I'm trying to remember but don't the two drives in the RAID have to 
be the same size?

At 10:29 AM -0500 3/27/07, Bryan Baker wrote:
>You might also be able to use another RAID feature to mirror the 500 
>to the 250's. Not too sure if that'd work right though.
>
>RAID 0 = Striping - Faster, but no redundancy, so loss of 1 drive is 
>catastrophic.
>RAID 1 = Mirroring - As the name implies 1 (or more) drives mirror 
>the other - 100% redundant, but you loose capacity.
>RIAD 5 = Striping with parity - common, but popularity is fading, 
>more reliable than 0, but less than 1.
>
>There are lots of other permutations and variations, but those are 
>some of the more common.
>
>
>On Mar 27, 2007, at 8:54 AM, Darcy Baston wrote:
>>Sure!
>>
>>Here's what my archive setup was before:
>>
>>1 Firewire HD 250GB (in use)
>>1 Firewire HD 250GB (backup of other)
>>
>>Here's what I have now
>>
>>1 Firewire HD 500GB (in use, what I bought just recently)
>>1 RAID  (1 Firewire HD 250GB + 1 Firewire HD 250GB) = 500GB, mounts 
>>on desktop as one HD of 500GB (backup of other)
>>
>>
>>Using the RAID features of Disk Utility, I told it to add the 250GB 
>>capacity of one of the drives to the end of the 250th gigabyte 
>>(relatively speaking) of the other, and mount it on the desktop as 
>>one single 500GB drive. It's an illusion that there is one drive of 
>>500GB, when it's really just 2 drives of 250GB each. 
>>"Concatenation" means "put the space of one at the end of the other 
>>so when one fills up, spill over to the other, but only ever show 
>>me one drive icon/device".
>>
>>That gave me a new pseudo 500GB drive. That left me with just one 
>>device, and no backup drive for that new higher capacity pseudo 
>>device, so I bought an external single 500GB drive. The new 500GB 
>>single unit is the one I'm now using as the archive, and the RAID 
>>Concatenated setup is the backup.
>>
>>This means I have 3 external hard drives. I'd love to go back to 
>>two. If anybody wants to buy the 2x250GB drives, I'll gladly use 
>>the money to put towards another single 500GB drive. :) They're 
>>only 6 months old if anyone's interested.
>>
>>Darcy
>>
>>On Tuesday, March 27, 2007, at 06:57AM, "Victoria L. Herring" 
>><lists@herringlaw.com> wrote:
>>>>I ran out of room on my external 250GB Archive drives (one source,
>>>>one backup) this weekend. So I bought a new external 500GB WD MyBook
>>>>Firewire drive, and used OS X's Disk Utility RAID features to
>>>>concatenate the two 250GB externals to act as the 500GB backup
>>>>solution for the new 500GB drive.
>>>
>>>Darcy I really hate to sound stupid, and it IS early, but perhaps you
>>>could explain to me what the value of a RAID is and what
>>>concatenation is and why this is better than the two source and
>>>backup drive system you had....the picture was a big help but I'm
>>>missing some of the early explanation....
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From darcybaston at mac.com  Tue Mar 27 11:14:36 2007
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Tue Mar 27 11:15:18 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] backups, external FW drives, and concatenated RAID
In-Reply-To: <3551F413-8E5D-4906-B56E-2D411019A176@mac.com>
References: <4B636ECE-E81F-484F-A74C-772156A404A4@mac.com>
	<p06240805c22eb68fa10a@[192.168.0.4]>
	<E2C8DB90-0111-1000-8A76-80B42F6AC2E7-Webmail-10009@mac.com>
	<3551F413-8E5D-4906-B56E-2D411019A176@mac.com>
Message-ID: <E2C8DB90-0111-1000-8DD3-80B42F6AC2E7-Webmail-10009@mac.com>

I'd rather not mirror because if I delete and empty trash accidentally on one, I want to be able to go to the other and copy the lost data back.
 
On Tuesday, March 27, 2007, at 10:30AM, "Bryan Baker" <ka_klick@mac.com> wrote:
>You might also be able to use another RAID feature to mirror the 500  
>to the 250's. Not too sure if that'd work right though.
From darcybaston at mac.com  Tue Mar 27 11:15:55 2007
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Tue Mar 27 11:16:17 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] backups, external FW drives, and concatenated RAID
In-Reply-To: <p06240609c22ef14b92d0@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <4B636ECE-E81F-484F-A74C-772156A404A4@mac.com>
	<p06240805c22eb68fa10a@[192.168.0.4]>
	<E2C8DB90-0111-1000-8A76-80B42F6AC2E7-Webmail-10009@mac.com>
	<3551F413-8E5D-4906-B56E-2D411019A176@mac.com>
	<p06240609c22ef14b92d0@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <E2C8DB90-0111-1000-8E17-80B42F6AC2E7-Webmail-10009@mac.com>

I that if you mirror, the resulting device will take on the size of the smallest of the two drives, and the extra space of the larger one will be ignored. Concatenating as I've done it just adds up.
 
On Tuesday, March 27, 2007, at 11:07AM, "Ray Bowler" <rbowler@mchsi.com> wrote:
>I'm trying to remember but don't the two drives in the RAID have to 
>be the same size?
>
From robolaw at aol.com  Tue Mar 27 12:59:31 2007
From: robolaw at aol.com (Michael R. Hoffmann)
Date: Tue Mar 27 13:00:11 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] backups, external FW drives, and concatenated RAID
In-Reply-To: <p06240609c22ef14b92d0@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <4B636ECE-E81F-484F-A74C-772156A404A4@mac.com>
	<p06240805c22eb68fa10a@[192.168.0.4]>
	<E2C8DB90-0111-1000-8A76-80B42F6AC2E7-Webmail-10009@mac.com>
	<3551F413-8E5D-4906-B56E-2D411019A176@mac.com>
	<p06240609c22ef14b92d0@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <771DFBBB-54AF-43D1-A314-2E34A6D29AEE@aol.com>

No, but you will be limited to the size of the smaller one.

On Mar 27, 2007, at 11:06 AM, Ray Bowler wrote:

> I'm trying to remember but don't the two drives in the RAID have to  
> be the same size?
>
> At 10:29 AM -0500 3/27/07, Bryan Baker wrote:
>> You might also be able to use another RAID feature to mirror the  
>> 500 to the 250's. Not too sure if that'd work right though.
>>
>> RAID 0 = Striping - Faster, but no redundancy, so loss of 1 drive  
>> is catastrophic.
>> RAID 1 = Mirroring - As the name implies 1 (or more) drives mirror  
>> the other - 100% redundant, but you loose capacity.
>> RIAD 5 = Striping with parity - common, but popularity is fading,  
>> more reliable than 0, but less than 1.
>>
>> There are lots of other permutations and variations, but those are  
>> some of the more common.
>>
>>
>> On Mar 27, 2007, at 8:54 AM, Darcy Baston wrote:
>>> Sure!
>>>
>>> Here's what my archive setup was before:
>>>
>>> 1 Firewire HD 250GB (in use)
>>> 1 Firewire HD 250GB (backup of other)
>>>
>>> Here's what I have now
>>>
>>> 1 Firewire HD 500GB (in use, what I bought just recently)
>>> 1 RAID  (1 Firewire HD 250GB + 1 Firewire HD 250GB) = 500GB,  
>>> mounts on desktop as one HD of 500GB (backup of other)
>>>
>>>
>>> Using the RAID features of Disk Utility, I told it to add the  
>>> 250GB capacity of one of the drives to the end of the 250th  
>>> gigabyte (relatively speaking) of the other, and mount it on the  
>>> desktop as one single 500GB drive. It's an illusion that there is  
>>> one drive of 500GB, when it's really just 2 drives of 250GB each.  
>>> "Concatenation" means "put the space of one at the end of the  
>>> other so when one fills up, spill over to the other, but only  
>>> ever show me one drive icon/device".
>>>
>>> That gave me a new pseudo 500GB drive. That left me with just one  
>>> device, and no backup drive for that new higher capacity pseudo  
>>> device, so I bought an external single 500GB drive. The new 500GB  
>>> single unit is the one I'm now using as the archive, and the RAID  
>>> Concatenated setup is the backup.
>>>
>>> This means I have 3 external hard drives. I'd love to go back to  
>>> two. If anybody wants to buy the 2x250GB drives, I'll gladly use  
>>> the money to put towards another single 500GB drive. :) They're  
>>> only 6 months old if anyone's interested.
>>>
>>> Darcy
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 27, 2007, at 06:57AM, "Victoria L. Herring"  
>>> <lists@herringlaw.com> wrote:
>>>>> I ran out of room on my external 250GB Archive drives (one source,
>>>>> one backup) this weekend. So I bought a new external 500GB WD  
>>>>> MyBook
>>>>> Firewire drive, and used OS X's Disk Utility RAID features to
>>>>> concatenate the two 250GB externals to act as the 500GB backup
>>>>> solution for the new 500GB drive.
>>>>
>>>> Darcy I really hate to sound stupid, and it IS early, but  
>>>> perhaps you
>>>> could explain to me what the value of a RAID is and what
>>>> concatenation is and why this is better than the two source and
>>>> backup drive system you had....the picture was a big help but I'm
>>>> missing some of the early explanation....
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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From kristau at gmail.com  Tue Mar 27 13:52:02 2007
From: kristau at gmail.com (kristau)
Date: Tue Mar 27 13:52:25 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] backups, external FW drives, and concatenated RAID
In-Reply-To: <p06240609c22ef14b92d0@10.0.1.3>
References: <4B636ECE-E81F-484F-A74C-772156A404A4@mac.com>
	<p06240805c22eb68fa10a@192.168.0.4>
	<E2C8DB90-0111-1000-8A76-80B42F6AC2E7-Webmail-10009@mac.com>
	<3551F413-8E5D-4906-B56E-2D411019A176@mac.com>
	<p06240609c22ef14b92d0@10.0.1.3>
Message-ID: <3effba680703271152j2dbb4270q65b9652dbbd96419@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/27/07, Ray Bowler <rbowler@mchsi.com> wrote:
> I'm trying to remember but don't the two drives in the RAID have to
> be the same size?

That depends on the RAID configuration, but in general you will end up
using the smaller of the two capacities.  Here's a break down:

RAID 0, striping or concatenating.  Capacities are additive.  EG: 200
GB + 300 GB = 500 GB available.

RAID 1, mirroring.  Size of the smallest drive is the capacity of the
volume.  EG: You can't duplicate the 300 GB drive to the 200 GB drive,
but you can go the other way around.

RAID 5, three or more drives made redundant.  Portions of the data are
duplicated across the three drives such that you can lose any one
drive and not lose data.  Each drive will only use the space equal to
the smallest drive, but the drive space is additive as add drives.
EG: 100 GB + 200 GB + 300 GB = 200 GB volume.  Each drive only uses
100 GB and the total volume space is equal to (number of drives) *
(capacity on each drive) - (capacity of one drive).

Hope that wasn't too confusing!  My head spins a bit when I talk about RAID. . .

-- 
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Coding late into the night
The core dump follows

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From lists at herringlaw.com  Tue Mar 27 14:08:39 2007
From: lists at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue Mar 27 14:09:11 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] User Group Bulletin for March - including deals....
Message-ID: <p06240832c22f1b614283@[192.168.0.4]>

>This was in my mailbox.....every month I get these [we are a user 
>group] and will post to list so everyone can see what opportunities 
>are present == note the special deals etc.


Particularly see what other groups are doing and if you want us to be 
doing something similar, let the Board know == we try to meet on the 
Monday evening following the monthly meeting.....



>
>    1. Apple User Group Bulletin - March 15, 2007
>
>CONTENTS
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>Community News - Leaders
>......................
>
>1] - Resources for Apple User Group Presentations and Newsletters
>2] - RiffWorks: Special User Group Offer
>3] - User Group University: Full Set of Podcasts of Sessions Available
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>Apple User Group Bulletin - Members
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>Community News - Members
>......................
>
>1] - NCMUG Creates a $10,000 Endowment at Santa Rosa Junior College
>2] - Beijing Macintosh User Group: 5 Years Old and Growing
>3] - EmiratesMac: Special TV Event
>4] - AUMUG: Second Apple Digital Campus Leadership Institute
>5] - dBUG: Help Every Saturday
>6] - Estonian Macintosh User Group: Six Hour Quarterly Seminar
>7] - Milestones
>
>Special Offers
>......................
>
>1] - CJRTOOLS ebooks: 20 Percent Off
>2] - Western Digital Hard Drives: 25 Percent Discount
>3] - Premium Memory Products: 25 Percent Off
>4] - Cordgo Accessory: Over 60 Percent Off
>5] - HipIpodGear Accessories: 20 Percent Off
>6] - The MUG Store: A Resource for Old and New
>7] - That's Easy: Apple User Group Market & Apple User Group Offers
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>COMMUNITY NEWS - LEADERS
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>1] - Resources for Apple User Group Presentations and Newsletters
>   .......................
>
>Need content for your newsletter or a presentation for your group's
>next meeting? Have a presentation or article you'd like to share with
>groups around the world? Visit the User Group Advisory Board's Blog to
>participate in the Apple User Group community.
>
>Join in the fun.
>http://ugab.typepad.com/ugresources/
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>2] - RiffWorks: Special User Group Offer
>.......................
>
>Sonoma Wire Works is offering RiffWorks Standard recording software,
>regularly $169 (US) for only $15 (US) to one musician from each MUG.
>
>RiffWorks offers looped recording, automatic track creation, nine
>InstantDrummer sessions, ReWire Mixer, great-sounding effects, IK
>Multimedia's AmpliTube 2 Live plug-in, RiffCaster instant podcasting,
>and RiffLink - jamming online with musicians from all over the world
>with no worries about latency, distance or sending large files.
>
>In exchange, Sonoma would like to place their banner ad on
>participating MUG websites linking to a discount coupon for $40 off
>RiffWorks for that MUG's members. This limited-time offer is limited
>to one $15 (US) offer per group.
>
>Contact Michelle at Sonoma Wire Works to participate.
>michelle@sonomawireworks.com
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>3] - User Group University: Full Set of Podcasts of Sessions Available
>.......................
>
>Did you miss User Group University at Macworld? You can still listen to
>podcasts of presentations by Steve Wozniak, Bob LeVitus, Chris Breen,
>Adam Engst, Rick Ortiz, Pat Fauquet, Tom Piper, Lorene Romero, Larry
>Liang and Gordon Bell. It's the next best thing to being there!
>
>Hear the best of UGU.
>http://homepage.mac.com/ugab/mw07.html
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>Apple User Group Bulletin - March 15, 2007
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>COMMUNITY NEWS - MEMBERS
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>1] - NCMUG Creates a $10,000 Endowment at Santa Rosa Junior College
>.......................
>
>Over the years North Coast Mac Users Group (NCMUG), a non-profit user
>group, has reached out to the community in many very significant ways
>including computer donations to schools and charities and significant
>volunteer work. Now, they have taken it a big step further with a
>$10,000 endowment, providing scholarships for students from Santa Rosa
>Junior College who are in the CIS Department, taking classes with an
>emphasis on the Mac platform and pursuing a career in the computer
>information field.
>
>The endowment is a memorial for Roger Levit, one of the founders of
>NCMUG. With the approval of Roger's family the scholarship has been
>named the North Coast Mac Users Group Roger Levit Memorial Scholarship.
>
>What a wonderful way to honor youth, education and experience!
>http://www.ncmug.org/
>
>(Congratulations to President Lorene Romero, Ronnie Roche, Linda
>Chatham, Joan O'Brien, Eric Chazankin, Wayne Till and the amazing
>members of NCMUG.)
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>2] - Beijing Macintosh User Group: 5 Years Old and Growing
>.......................
>
>When David Feng's group started BeiMac the group had seven members from
>seven countries, all meeting in Zhongguancun, Beijing, and each
>interested in building a user group community. Who could have predicted
>that five short years later those seven would become a club with more
>than 330 members, more than 200,000 web visitors and a widened scope as
>part of the BeiMac Union, with liaison offices in Ziamen, Taipei and
>North America. Happy Birthday BeiMac.
>
>Join them for a March 24 birthday celebration.
>http://www.beimac.com/?page_id=8
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>3] - EmiratesMac: Special TV Event
>.......................
>
>EmiratesMac will be holding a Special TV Event featuring a demonstration
>of Apple TV and presentations by sponsors that include Canon, IMC ME,
>Dubai Knowledge Village, GraphEast and others on March 29 at Dubai
>Knowledge Village's main auditorium.
>
>Visit Ambassador Magnus Nystedt and the members of EmiratesMac.
>http://www.emiratesmac.com/index.php?page=events
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>4] - AUMUG: Second Apple Digital Campus Leadership Institute
>.......................
>
>  From March 21-23 Auburn University's User Group will be participating
>in the second Apple Digital Campus Leadership Institute. As the
>organizers warn, this is not a listen and watch event but a way for
>groups to gain specific ideas for their campus sites. They'll generate
>ways to use innovation and technology to enhance the learning
>experience.
>
>There will be a world of great ideas on the Milledgeville Campus of
>Georgia College and State University for students and faculty
>participating in this year's Leadership Institute.
>
>Share the excitement.
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>_____________________________________________________________________
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>Previously Mountain View Apple UG
>http://mvcug.org/
>(Thanks to President and Macworld Volunteer John Buono for this tip.)
>
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>http://www.lmmug.org
>(Hello to President Todd Ferguson and Lockheed Members.)
>
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>http://www.appleusers.co.nz/index.htm
>(Warm wishes to President Michael Han and club members.)
>
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>http://www.epmug.org
>(Greetings to President Ken Borgh, Mara Cohn and members of EPMUG.)
>
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>(Congratulations to Hanne Hertzog and members of MacBruger.)
>
>1985  Nashville Mac Users
>http://www.macusers.com
>
>1986  Racine-Kenosha Mac Users Group
>http://www.rkmug.org/
>
>1987  Hong Kong Macintosh User Group
>http://www.hkmug.org.hk/
>(Happy anniversary to Chairman Blanco Siu and members of HKMUG.)
>
>1990  MacinSand
>http://www.macinsand.no/
>(Greetings to Styreleder Thomas Moen and MacinSand members.)
>
>1991  TEAM Francophone
>http://www.teamfr.be
>
>2002  Beijing Macintosh User Group
>http://www.beimac.com/
>(Congrats to David Feng, BeiMUG President and Apple User
>Group Regional Liaison.)
>
>2002 Macteens
>http://macteens.com
>(Greetings to Macworld Planning Team member Chris Saribay and officers
>of Macteens.)
>
>2006 Washington and Lee University
>http://home.wlu.edu/~somerville_browng/mac.htm
>
>Welcome to our first recognized Aperture User Group and
>Ambassador David Schloss
>http://apertureprofessional.com/
>_____________________________________________________________________
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-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research, 
planning & Photography site and blog, 
<http://www.JourneyZing.com/blog>;  Des Moines, Iowa, ph.515-255-4475.
From lists at herringlaw.com  Tue Mar 27 15:42:17 2007
From: lists at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue Mar 27 15:42:46 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Meeting 3/27
In-Reply-To: <917F8FB4-311F-4C1E-AED5-E02E26B621F9@mac.com>
References: <917F8FB4-311F-4C1E-AED5-E02E26B621F9@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p0624083cc22f311157c7@[192.168.0.4]>

I'm working up a 'template' or agenda for meetings so everyone will 
have an idea of how they'll flow.  Maybe we can discuss this at the 
meeting tonite= what do people want to see and hear about and learn? 
How should we hold the meetings?  For instance, I'd like to have an 
introductions period at the start so we can know a little more about 
each other and our Mac knowledge or abilities [not a long resume, 
just a short intro].

I'd like to start promptly at 7p and finish with the program portion 
by 8:30 and then people can mingle, share and leave and Haddock can 
close down at 9p and we won't overstay our welcome.

Should we have a set time period for 'switchers' and newer Apple/Mac 
users?  Or a set period for the old hands?  How can we meet 
everyone's needs?

Please be thinking of meeting ideas and we can talk about it tonite 
for a little bit [I want more iPod info!!!]  or send to the list and 
we'll talk about it at the Board meeting and the next meeting after 
that.

Thanks.

See you tonite.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research, 
planning & Photography site and blog, 
<http://www.JourneyZing.com/blog>;  Des Moines, Iowa, ph.515-255-4475.
From rbowler at mchsi.com  Tue Mar 27 22:03:31 2007
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Tue Mar 27 22:03:55 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] 3/27 meeting notes
Message-ID: <p0624060cc22f89152631@[10.0.1.3]>

Chris Corrice gave a presentation of the iPod, what it does and some 
of the features. It can even plav your favorite TV show (if its on 
the iTunes store. The dock is especially useful in connecting to 
other devices, including the TV.

	Two sites are especially helpful:

		http://www.apple.com/support/ipod/

		http://ilounge.com.

Next meeting is April 24th at Haddock Computer 7:00 P.M.


-- 
Ray Bowler

rbowler.home.mchsi.com
From lists at herringlaw.com  Wed Mar 28 11:45:57 2007
From: lists at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Wed Mar 28 11:46:32 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] One idea if you want to get alerts...
Message-ID: <p06240827c2304bc8a22c@[192.168.0.4]>

and some free stuff is included = is to go to Dealmac.com and set it 
up to alert you for every Amazon sale...or for a favorite search etc. 
I then just delete them if no time or money to shop [too often true!] 
but every now and then there is something free -- and since this was 
regarding the iPod, I thought it was relevant to last night's meeting.

>>The following HOT DEAL was just posted on 
>><http://dealmac.com/?ref=alert_1>http://dealmac.com/?ref=alert_1 !
>>
>>Speck ToughSkin iPod nano Case for $0 after rebate
>>--------------------------------------------------
>>Matched on subscription to store "Amazon.com"
>>
>>Amazon.com offers the Speck Products ToughSkin iPod nano
>>Case in Black, model no. NN2-BLK-TS, for $19.99. That's
>>already tied for the lowest price we've seen. This $19.99
>>mail-in rebate slashes it to $0. Spend over $25 for free
>>shipping; otherwise, it's around $6. This case features a
>>rubberized skin with removable belt clip and screen
>>protector. Deal ends March 31.
>>
>>Click here for updates or to snap up this deal now:
>><http://dealmac.com/deals/160849.html?ref=alert_bottom_1>http://dealmac.com/deals/160849.html?ref=alert_bottom_1


-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Travel Research & Photography site, 
<http://www.JourneyZing.com> [NEW: Athens/Greece Trip Report] ; 
Online Gallery at http://victoriajz.smugmug.com.  Images up now at 
Arte Gallery, East Village in Des Moines, and you can view them 
online at  http://web.mac.com/victoriaherring/iWeb/Gallery .
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From lists at herringlaw.com  Wed Mar 28 12:08:13 2007
From: lists at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Wed Mar 28 12:08:48 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] the iWebsite
Message-ID: <p0624082ec23050efd75f@[192.168.0.4]>

By the way, I don't particularly like the look or color scheme, but 
it seemed at least 'modern', it was an Apple iWeb Theme, and it could 
be done lickety-split [building a site in 10-15 min. is awesome, even 
if it shows].  If people [anyone???] have a different or preferred 
template or idea, let me know or give me the template etc. and I'll 
make the changes needed.

Any suggestions ref. how to construct it so it's more truly Apple 
like without being boring????
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Travel Research & Photography site, 
<http://www.JourneyZing.com> [NEW: Athens/Greece Trip Report] ; 
Online Gallery at http://victoriajz.smugmug.com.  Images up now at 
Arte Gallery, East Village in Des Moines, and you can view them 
online at  http://web.mac.com/victoriaherring/iWeb/Gallery .
From hfwelch at mac.com  Wed Mar 28 12:08:48 2007
From: hfwelch at mac.com (Holly Welch)
Date: Wed Mar 28 12:09:11 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Googling
Message-ID: <06CDD810-111B-4EE9-9E10-797BD6A12AC1@mac.com>

How do you get your website to show up on Google??
Holly

From lists at herringlaw.com  Wed Mar 28 12:11:43 2007
From: lists at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Wed Mar 28 12:12:13 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Googling
In-Reply-To: <06CDD810-111B-4EE9-9E10-797BD6A12AC1@mac.com>
References: <06CDD810-111B-4EE9-9E10-797BD6A12AC1@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p06240830c23051e510e3@[192.168.0.4]>

>How do you get your website to show up on Google??
>Holly

Do you mean DMMUG on iWeb/Mac???  There's an article I found once 
that discusses how to do it == basically however you need to get 
people to click to your site or our site and create traffic == If it 
wouldn't offend anyone, I'd probably edit my tag line to include a 
link to it and in that way advertise it = if possible, all officers 
or others interested in doing so could do that = but wait until it's 
off my hosted Mac account and onto its own so we don't confuse people 
too much.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research, 
planning & Photography site and blog, 
<http://www.JourneyZing.com/blog>;  Des Moines, Iowa, ph.515-255-4475.
From hfwelch at mac.com  Wed Mar 28 12:18:30 2007
From: hfwelch at mac.com (Holly Welch)
Date: Wed Mar 28 12:18:53 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Googling
In-Reply-To: <p06240830c23051e510e3@[192.168.0.4]>
References: <06CDD810-111B-4EE9-9E10-797BD6A12AC1@mac.com>
	<p06240830c23051e510e3@[192.168.0.4]>
Message-ID: <FC44206A-AA66-4696-8699-AB25FFF65195@mac.com>

I'm doing a site about my dad, and doing it with iWeb.
On Mar 28, 2007, at 12:11 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

>> How do you get your website to show up on Google??
>> Holly
>
> Do you mean DMMUG on iWeb/Mac???  There's an article I found once  
> that discusses how to do it == basically however you need to get  
> people to click to your site or our site and create traffic == If  
> it wouldn't offend anyone, I'd probably edit my tag line to include  
> a link to it and in that way advertise it = if possible, all  
> officers or others interested in doing so could do that = but wait  
> until it's off my hosted Mac account and onto its own so we don't  
> confuse people too much.
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination &  
> Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research,  
> planning & Photography site and blog, <http://www.JourneyZing.com/ 
> blog>;  Des Moines, Iowa, ph.515-255-4475.
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From lists at herringlaw.com  Wed Mar 28 12:30:40 2007
From: lists at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Wed Mar 28 12:34:06 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Googling
In-Reply-To: <FC44206A-AA66-4696-8699-AB25FFF65195@mac.com>
References: <06CDD810-111B-4EE9-9E10-797BD6A12AC1@mac.com>
	<p06240830c23051e510e3@[192.168.0.4]>
	<FC44206A-AA66-4696-8699-AB25FFF65195@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p06240834c230564d1954@[192.168.0.4]>

If you go to Apple/Support/Discussion Groups and do a search in iWEb 
you will find several discussions there about how to get your iWeb 
item into Google == there was one with the title of "meta and 
goggle-ing" in December -- if I find another bunch of info I'll send 
it along as well.  But I usually start research on Apple things in 
the Discussion Groups because someone else has already had the 
problem or question before.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Travel Research & Photography site, 
<http://www.JourneyZing.com> [NEW: Athens/Greece Trip Report] ; 
Online Gallery at http://victoriajz.smugmug.com.  Images up now at 
Arte Gallery, East Village in Des Moines, and you can view them 
online at  http://web.mac.com/victoriaherring/iWeb/Gallery .
From ka_klick at mac.com  Wed Mar 28 12:48:17 2007
From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker)
Date: Wed Mar 28 12:49:02 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] the iWebsite
In-Reply-To: <p0624082ec23050efd75f@[192.168.0.4]>
References: <p0624082ec23050efd75f@[192.168.0.4]>
Message-ID: <6A8F641F-345F-43E5-A2E9-24B9E612F33D@mac.com>

Huh?

On Mar 28, 2007, at 12:08 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
> By the way, I don't particularly like the look or color scheme, but  
> it seemed at least 'modern', it was an Apple iWeb Theme, and it  
> could be done lickety-split [building a site in 10-15 min. is  
> awesome, even if it shows].  If people [anyone???] have a different  
> or preferred template or idea, let me know or give me the template  
> etc. and I'll make the changes needed.
>
> Any suggestions ref. how to construct it so it's more truly Apple  
> like without being boring????
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Travel Research & Photography site,  
> <http://www.JourneyZing.com> [NEW: Athens/Greece Trip Report] ;  
> Online Gallery at http://victoriajz.smugmug.com.  Images up now at  
> Arte Gallery, East Village in Des Moines, and you can view them  
> online at  http://web.mac.com/victoriaherring/iWeb/Gallery .
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Singer/Songwriter
With 2 New CDs!!! See my website for details
kaklick_mar...@mac.comhttp://ka-klick.com


From rbowler at mchsi.com  Wed Mar 28 12:56:01 2007
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Wed Mar 28 12:56:28 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] the iWebsite
In-Reply-To: <6A8F641F-345F-43E5-A2E9-24B9E612F33D@mac.com>
References: <p0624082ec23050efd75f@[192.168.0.4]>
	<6A8F641F-345F-43E5-A2E9-24B9E612F33D@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p0624061ac2305c73afff@[10.0.1.3]>

Victoria is playing around with doing on in iWeb on her .Mac site. 
First step in what you and I discussed last night.

At 12:48 PM -0500 3/28/07, Bryan Baker wrote:
>Huh?
>
>On Mar 28, 2007, at 12:08 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
>>By the way, I don't particularly like the look or color scheme, but 
>>it seemed at least 'modern', it was an Apple iWeb Theme, and it 
>>could be done lickety-split [building a site in 10-15 min. is 
>>awesome, even if it shows].  If people [anyone???] have a different 
>>or preferred template or idea, let me know or give me the template 
>>etc. and I'll make the changes needed.
>>
>>Any suggestions ref. how to construct it so it's more truly Apple 
>>like without being boring????
>>--
>>Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Travel Research & Photography site, 
>><http://www.JourneyZing.com> [NEW: Athens/Greece Trip Report] ; 
>>Online Gallery at http://victoriajz.smugmug.com.  Images up now at 
>>Arte Gallery, East Village in Des Moines, and you can view them 
>>online at  http://web.mac.com/victoriaherring/iWeb/Gallery .
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>
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>Singer/Songwriter
>With 2 New CDs!!! See my website for details
>kaklick_mar...@mac.comhttp://ka-klick.com
>
>
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rbowler.home.mchsi.com
From ka_klick at mac.com  Wed Mar 28 13:07:33 2007
From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker)
Date: Wed Mar 28 13:08:18 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] the iWebsite
In-Reply-To: <p0624061ac2305c73afff@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <p0624082ec23050efd75f@[192.168.0.4]>
	<6A8F641F-345F-43E5-A2E9-24B9E612F33D@mac.com>
	<p0624061ac2305c73afff@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <38247255-C29C-4C1B-B378-3ECA9C617C8E@mac.com>

I kind of figured, but the URL is nowhere to be found there, and I  
missed out on the initial conversation.
Anyway, whatever gets done about hosting, it needs to be separate  
from the members themselves, and I need to get the domain name  
transferred to a current officer - it's up for renewal soon, and we  
probably want to switch registrars, since Ghandi (while good) is  
european, and we've been taking the short end of the exchage rate for  
a couple years. GoDaddy, while they may not be the greatest is much  
cheaper, and quite a bit bigger. We might consider hosting there, or  
somewhere else as well, but it will cost, unlike our current  
arrangement w/ cialug.

I'd like to actually see what she's doing w/ iWeb, but there was no URL.

The drawback of iWeb, will be that it cannot really be a  
collaborative effort any more than what we have now, though it will  
be simpler to maintain, it will be a project on one persons machine  
(and I'm still not sure where the local source files are kept).

My website http://ka-klick.com was done in iWeb, and hosted on my  
personal .mac account, but I have the domain mask it - the drawback  
is I have to go in and manually edit links after they are put up. I  
like what it does for simple good looking layouts though.


On Mar 28, 2007, at 12:56 PM, Ray Bowler wrote:
> Victoria is playing around with doing on in iWeb on her .Mac site.  
> First step in what you and I discussed last night.
>
> At 12:48 PM -0500 3/28/07, Bryan Baker wrote:
>> Huh?
>>
>> On Mar 28, 2007, at 12:08 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
>>> By the way, I don't particularly like the look or color scheme,  
>>> but it seemed at least 'modern', it was an Apple iWeb Theme, and  
>>> it could be done lickety-split [building a site in 10-15 min. is  
>>> awesome, even if it shows].  If people [anyone???] have a  
>>> different or preferred template or idea, let me know or give me  
>>> the template etc. and I'll make the changes needed.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions ref. how to construct it so it's more truly Apple  
>>> like without being boring????
>>> --
>>> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Travel Research & Photography  
>>> site, <http://www.JourneyZing.com> [NEW: Athens/Greece Trip  
>>> Report] ; Online Gallery at http://victoriajz.smugmug.com.   
>>> Images up now at Arte Gallery, East Village in Des Moines, and  
>>> you can view them online at  http://web.mac.com/victoriaherring/ 
>>> iWeb/Gallery .
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Dmmug mailing list
>>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>>> Dmmug@dmmug.org
>>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>>
>> --
>> Bryan "ka-klick" Baker
>> Singer/Songwriter
>> With 2 New CDs!!! See my website for details
>> kaklick_mar...@mac.comhttp://ka-klick.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Dmmug mailing list
>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>> Dmmug@dmmug.org
>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>
>
> -- 
> Ray Bowler
>
> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
> _______________________________________________
> Dmmug mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> Dmmug@dmmug.org
> Use this page to modify subscription options:
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug

--
Bryan "ka-klick" Baker
Singer/Songwriter
With 2 New CDs!!! See my website for details
kaklick_martin@mac.com
http://ka-klick.com


From ka_klick at mac.com  Wed Mar 28 13:12:19 2007
From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker)
Date: Wed Mar 28 13:13:02 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Googling
In-Reply-To: <06CDD810-111B-4EE9-9E10-797BD6A12AC1@mac.com>
References: <06CDD810-111B-4EE9-9E10-797BD6A12AC1@mac.com>
Message-ID: <36F3B746-6BE9-4065-AEA2-181798689BA5@mac.com>

The absolute best way to get to the top of google is to be relevant  
and be linked to by lots of other good sites. All the other "tricks"  
are just that, and may get you somewhere short term, but there is no  
substitute for just being good and popular and waiting. That's  
essentially the design goal of google, so don't try and fight it.

One good way to get linked to though, is to use the site for your  
"link" on popular forum sites like Slashdot and popular blogs when  
replying.

On Mar 28, 2007, at 12:08 PM, Holly Welch wrote:
> How do you get your website to show up on Google??
> Holly
>
> _______________________________________________
> Dmmug mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> Dmmug@dmmug.org
> Use this page to modify subscription options:
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug

--
Bryan "ka-klick" Baker
Singer/Songwriter
With 2 New CDs!!! See my website for details
kaklick_martin@mac.com
http://ka-klick.com


From lists at herringlaw.com  Wed Mar 28 13:29:23 2007
From: lists at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Wed Mar 28 13:29:57 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] the iWebsite
In-Reply-To: <38247255-C29C-4C1B-B378-3ECA9C617C8E@mac.com>
References: <p0624082ec23050efd75f@[192.168.0.4]>
	<6A8F641F-345F-43E5-A2E9-24B9E612F33D@mac.com>
	<p0624061ac2305c73afff@[10.0.1.3]>
	<38247255-C29C-4C1B-B378-3ECA9C617C8E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p0624083bc23063de477b@[192.168.0.4]>

the link and iWebsite was only to get Chris's PDF up for members to 
access and to do it asap and not delayed == we will need to redesign 
it and also place it where it can be more useful...but with the Blog 
feature at least it's available to anyone who wants to comment, I 
think.

Link is as stated earlier:


http://web.mac.com/victoriaherring/iWeb/DMMUG/Welcome.html



-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Travel Research & Photography site, 
<http://www.JourneyZing.com> [NEW: Athens/Greece Trip Report] ; 
Online Gallery at http://victoriajz.smugmug.com.  Images up now at 
Arte Gallery, East Village in Des Moines, and you can view them 
online at  http://web.mac.com/victoriaherring/iWeb/Gallery .
From lists at herringlaw.com  Wed Mar 28 13:29:08 2007
From: lists at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Wed Mar 28 13:29:58 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] iwebsite & Chris's Presentation Outline in PDF
Message-ID: <p0624083cc23064636694@[192.168.0.4]>

A temporary iWeb site has been established to hold materials for now ===

http://web.mac.com/victoriaherring/iWeb/DMMUG/Welcome.html

You'll find Chris's outline in PDF easily viewable or downloadable at 
the Blog page

http://web.mac.com/victoriaherring/iWeb/DMMUG/Blog/Blog.html




Hope to see everyone next time!  Holly will have some more 
programming information out fairly soon.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Travel Research & Photography site, 
<http://www.JourneyZing.com> [NEW: Athens/Greece Trip Report] ; 
Online Gallery at http://victoriajz.smugmug.com.  Images up now at 
Arte Gallery, East Village in Des Moines, and you can view them 
online at  http://web.mac.com/victoriaherring/iWeb/Gallery .
From jrearick at bobbis.net  Wed Mar 28 13:39:45 2007
From: jrearick at bobbis.net (jrearick@bobbis.net)
Date: Wed Mar 28 13:40:11 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] the iWebsite
In-Reply-To: <38247255-C29C-4C1B-B378-3ECA9C617C8E@mac.com>
References: <p0624082ec23050efd75f@[192.168.0.4]>
	<6A8F641F-345F-43E5-A2E9-24B9E612F33D@mac.com>
	<p0624061ac2305c73afff@[10.0.1.3]>
	<38247255-C29C-4C1B-B378-3ECA9C617C8E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1905.129.186.171.246.1175107185.squirrel@webmail.bobbis.net>

If the group gets hosting which offers PHP and MySQL we might be able to
install a package such as Drupal ( http://www.drupal.org ) or Joomla(
http://www.joomla.org ).  I set up the AmesMUG web site (
http://www.amesmug.org/ ) with Drupal and created the custom template. 
This way you can edit content through the web browser from anywhere as
well as delegate different privileges to different people.  I may be able
to help with setting that stuff up in my spare time.

> I kind of figured, but the URL is nowhere to be found there, and I
> missed out on the initial conversation.
> Anyway, whatever gets done about hosting, it needs to be separate
> from the members themselves, and I need to get the domain name
> transferred to a current officer - it's up for renewal soon, and we
> probably want to switch registrars, since Ghandi (while good) is
> european, and we've been taking the short end of the exchage rate for
> a couple years. GoDaddy, while they may not be the greatest is much
> cheaper, and quite a bit bigger. We might consider hosting there, or
> somewhere else as well, but it will cost, unlike our current
> arrangement w/ cialug.
>
> I'd like to actually see what she's doing w/ iWeb, but there was no URL.
>
> The drawback of iWeb, will be that it cannot really be a
> collaborative effort any more than what we have now, though it will
> be simpler to maintain, it will be a project on one persons machine
> (and I'm still not sure where the local source files are kept).
>
> My website http://ka-klick.com was done in iWeb, and hosted on my
> personal .mac account, but I have the domain mask it - the drawback
> is I have to go in and manually edit links after they are put up. I
> like what it does for simple good looking layouts though.
>
>
> On Mar 28, 2007, at 12:56 PM, Ray Bowler wrote:
>> Victoria is playing around with doing on in iWeb on her .Mac site.
>> First step in what you and I discussed last night.
>>
>> At 12:48 PM -0500 3/28/07, Bryan Baker wrote:
>>> Huh?
>>>
>>> On Mar 28, 2007, at 12:08 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
>>>> By the way, I don't particularly like the look or color scheme,
>>>> but it seemed at least 'modern', it was an Apple iWeb Theme, and
>>>> it could be done lickety-split [building a site in 10-15 min. is
>>>> awesome, even if it shows].  If people [anyone???] have a
>>>> different or preferred template or idea, let me know or give me
>>>> the template etc. and I'll make the changes needed.
>>>>
>>>> Any suggestions ref. how to construct it so it's more truly Apple
>>>> like without being boring????
>>>> --
>>>> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Travel Research & Photography
>>>> site, <http://www.JourneyZing.com> [NEW: Athens/Greece Trip
>>>> Report] ; Online Gallery at http://victoriajz.smugmug.com.
>>>> Images up now at Arte Gallery, East Village in Des Moines, and
>>>> you can view them online at  http://web.mac.com/victoriaherring/
>>>> iWeb/Gallery .
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Dmmug mailing list
>>>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>>>> Dmmug@dmmug.org
>>>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bryan "ka-klick" Baker
>>> Singer/Songwriter
>>> With 2 New CDs!!! See my website for details
>>> kaklick_mar...@mac.comhttp://ka-klick.com
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Dmmug mailing list
>>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>>> Dmmug@dmmug.org
>>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ray Bowler
>>
>> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> Dmmug mailing list
>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>> Dmmug@dmmug.org
>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>
> --
> Bryan "ka-klick" Baker
> Singer/Songwriter
> With 2 New CDs!!! See my website for details
> kaklick_martin@mac.com
> http://ka-klick.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Dmmug mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> Dmmug@dmmug.org
> Use this page to modify subscription options:
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>


From ka_klick at mac.com  Wed Mar 28 13:41:16 2007
From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker)
Date: Wed Mar 28 13:41:57 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] the iWebsite
In-Reply-To: <p0624083bc23063de477b@[192.168.0.4]>
References: <p0624082ec23050efd75f@[192.168.0.4]>
	<6A8F641F-345F-43E5-A2E9-24B9E612F33D@mac.com>
	<p0624061ac2305c73afff@[10.0.1.3]>
	<38247255-C29C-4C1B-B378-3ECA9C617C8E@mac.com>
	<p0624083bc23063de477b@[192.168.0.4]>
Message-ID: <1E18115F-A537-4E58-B03F-F7698E1C2357@mac.com>

Nope, iWeb Blogs are one way only.
Also, I'd use the official aliases instead of actual email addresses,  
those will get spidered and spammed lickety split.

On Mar 28, 2007, at 1:29 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
> the link and iWebsite was only to get Chris's PDF up for members to  
> access and to do it asap and not delayed == we will need to  
> redesign it and also place it where it can be more useful...but  
> with the Blog feature at least it's available to anyone who wants  
> to comment, I think.
>
> Link is as stated earlier:
>
>
> http://web.mac.com/victoriaherring/iWeb/DMMUG/Welcome.html
>
>
>
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Travel Research & Photography site,  
> <http://www.JourneyZing.com> [NEW: Athens/Greece Trip Report] ;  
> Online Gallery at http://victoriajz.smugmug.com.  Images up now at  
> Arte Gallery, East Village in Des Moines, and you can view them  
> online at  http://web.mac.com/victoriaherring/iWeb/Gallery .
> _______________________________________________
> Dmmug mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> Dmmug@dmmug.org
> Use this page to modify subscription options:
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug

--
Bryan "ka-klick" Baker
Singer/Songwriter
With 2 New CDs!!! See my website for details
kaklick_martin@mac.com
http://ka-klick.com


From ka_klick at mac.com  Wed Mar 28 13:42:36 2007
From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker)
Date: Wed Mar 28 13:43:17 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] the iWebsite
In-Reply-To: <1905.129.186.171.246.1175107185.squirrel@webmail.bobbis.net>
References: <p0624082ec23050efd75f@[192.168.0.4]>
	<6A8F641F-345F-43E5-A2E9-24B9E612F33D@mac.com>
	<p0624061ac2305c73afff@[10.0.1.3]>
	<38247255-C29C-4C1B-B378-3ECA9C617C8E@mac.com>
	<1905.129.186.171.246.1175107185.squirrel@webmail.bobbis.net>
Message-ID: <C0C83AA7-DDE0-4D68-8E38-0246D0AC4DC8@mac.com>

Well, dmmug is currently on a site that has both, but I think there's  
a strong current of "lets use iWeb" going on.

On Mar 28, 2007, at 1:39 PM, jrearick@bobbis.net wrote:
> If the group gets hosting which offers PHP and MySQL we might be  
> able to
> install a package such as Drupal ( http://www.drupal.org ) or Joomla(
> http://www.joomla.org ).  I set up the AmesMUG web site (
> http://www.amesmug.org/ ) with Drupal and created the custom template.
> This way you can edit content through the web browser from anywhere as
> well as delegate different privileges to different people.  I may  
> be able
> to help with setting that stuff up in my spare time.
>
>> I kind of figured, but the URL is nowhere to be found there, and I
>> missed out on the initial conversation.
>> Anyway, whatever gets done about hosting, it needs to be separate
>> from the members themselves, and I need to get the domain name
>> transferred to a current officer - it's up for renewal soon, and we
>> probably want to switch registrars, since Ghandi (while good) is
>> european, and we've been taking the short end of the exchage rate for
>> a couple years. GoDaddy, while they may not be the greatest is much
>> cheaper, and quite a bit bigger. We might consider hosting there, or
>> somewhere else as well, but it will cost, unlike our current
>> arrangement w/ cialug.
>>
>> I'd like to actually see what she's doing w/ iWeb, but there was  
>> no URL.
>>
>> The drawback of iWeb, will be that it cannot really be a
>> collaborative effort any more than what we have now, though it will
>> be simpler to maintain, it will be a project on one persons machine
>> (and I'm still not sure where the local source files are kept).
>>
>> My website http://ka-klick.com was done in iWeb, and hosted on my
>> personal .mac account, but I have the domain mask it - the drawback
>> is I have to go in and manually edit links after they are put up. I
>> like what it does for simple good looking layouts though.
>>
>>
>> On Mar 28, 2007, at 12:56 PM, Ray Bowler wrote:
>>> Victoria is playing around with doing on in iWeb on her .Mac site.
>>> First step in what you and I discussed last night.
>>>
>>> At 12:48 PM -0500 3/28/07, Bryan Baker wrote:
>>>> Huh?
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 28, 2007, at 12:08 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
>>>>> By the way, I don't particularly like the look or color scheme,
>>>>> but it seemed at least 'modern', it was an Apple iWeb Theme, and
>>>>> it could be done lickety-split [building a site in 10-15 min. is
>>>>> awesome, even if it shows].  If people [anyone???] have a
>>>>> different or preferred template or idea, let me know or give me
>>>>> the template etc. and I'll make the changes needed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any suggestions ref. how to construct it so it's more truly Apple
>>>>> like without being boring????
>>>>> --
>>>>> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Travel Research & Photography
>>>>> site, <http://www.JourneyZing.com> [NEW: Athens/Greece Trip
>>>>> Report] ; Online Gallery at http://victoriajz.smugmug.com.
>>>>> Images up now at Arte Gallery, East Village in Des Moines, and
>>>>> you can view them online at  http://web.mac.com/victoriaherring/
>>>>> iWeb/Gallery .
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Dmmug mailing list
>>>>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>>>>> Dmmug@dmmug.org
>>>>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
>>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Bryan "ka-klick" Baker
>>>> Singer/Songwriter
>>>> With 2 New CDs!!! See my website for details
>>>> kaklick_mar...@mac.comhttp://ka-klick.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Dmmug mailing list
>>>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>>>> Dmmug@dmmug.org
>>>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ray Bowler
>>>
>>> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Dmmug mailing list
>>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>>> Dmmug@dmmug.org
>>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>>
>> --
>> Bryan "ka-klick" Baker
>> Singer/Songwriter
>> With 2 New CDs!!! See my website for details
>> kaklick_martin@mac.com
>> http://ka-klick.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Dmmug mailing list
>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>> Dmmug@dmmug.org
>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Dmmug mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> Dmmug@dmmug.org
> Use this page to modify subscription options:
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug

--
Bryan "ka-klick" Baker
Singer/Songwriter
With 2 New CDs!!! See my website for details
kaklick_martin@mac.com
http://ka-klick.com


From lists at herringlaw.com  Wed Mar 28 14:36:25 2007
From: lists at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Wed Mar 28 14:36:53 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] the iWebsite
In-Reply-To: <1E18115F-A537-4E58-B03F-F7698E1C2357@mac.com>
References: <p0624082ec23050efd75f@[192.168.0.4]>
	<6A8F641F-345F-43E5-A2E9-24B9E612F33D@mac.com>
	<p0624061ac2305c73afff@[10.0.1.3]>
	<38247255-C29C-4C1B-B378-3ECA9C617C8E@mac.com>
	<p0624083bc23063de477b@[192.168.0.4]>
	<1E18115F-A537-4E58-B03F-F7698E1C2357@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p06240847c230741a158b@[192.168.0.4]>

>Nope, iWeb Blogs are one way only.
>Also, I'd use the official aliases instead of actual email 
>addresses, those will get spidered and spammed lickety split.

It's been editted to use the word 'at' rather than the sign and that 
should at least control the spiders.

http://web.mac.com/victoriaherring/iWeb/DMMUG/Welcome.html
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Travel Research & Photography site, 
<http://www.JourneyZing.com> [NEW: Athens/Greece Trip Report] ; 
Online Gallery at http://victoriajz.smugmug.com.  Images up now at 
Arte Gallery, East Village in Des Moines, and you can view them 
online at  http://web.mac.com/victoriaherring/iWeb/Gallery .
From darcybaston at mac.com  Wed Mar 28 15:54:43 2007
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Wed Mar 28 15:55:20 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Googling
In-Reply-To: <06CDD810-111B-4EE9-9E10-797BD6A12AC1@mac.com>
References: <06CDD810-111B-4EE9-9E10-797BD6A12AC1@mac.com>
Message-ID: <2F45D990-0111-1000-AB83-1596D8AD35CE-Webmail-10018@mac.com>

My success with Google has been:

-my domain name contains an essential search term
-I used meta tags
-my web site's content mentions essential search terms all over and on many pages
-be linked to by other sites
-I think I also submitted my site for registration several years ago

As a result, when people search for 'paxil' they find my site on the first page, and when they search for 'paxil withdrawal' my site (paxilprogress.org) is result #2.

I've hosted with GoDaddy for several years and have had the best hosting experience ever. paxilprogress has a dedicated virtual server for $30 a month and it handles millions of hits and page serves each month. We've had about 3 hours downtime in the past year because GoDaddy got a DoS attack once. Besides that, it's extremely fast and reliable service. I'm also hosting a personal site through GoDaddy for $12 a month and it's really fast. I hate slow servers, and GoDaddy just zips along like a cheetah.

If we get a PHP/MySQL capable web server, I can install the same software Wikipedia uses (mediawiki) and members can all contribute their own articles, presentations, meeting notes, calendar events etc. It only takes a few minutes to setup, and the rest is just preferences and account administration. I did this for my employer just recently.

Darcy
 
On Wednesday, March 28, 2007, at 12:09PM, "Holly Welch" <hfwelch@mac.com> wrote:
>How do you get your website to show up on Google??
>Holly
>
>_______________________________________________
>Dmmug mailing list
>Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>Dmmug@dmmug.org
>Use this page to modify subscription options:
>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>
>
From ccorrice at mchsi.com  Wed Mar 28 19:33:25 2007
From: ccorrice at mchsi.com (ccorrice@mchsi.com)
Date: Wed Mar 28 19:33:48 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Your Mac Life Show - Shoutout to DSM MUG
Message-ID: <032920070033.2692.460B0954000CBFA800000A84219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0C079D9D010C0C@mchsi.com>

Just dropping everyone a note to listen to the show tonight at www.yourmaclifeshow.com. I've got a shoutout sent for our group!!!!!
Chris
From jack at jackmathews.com  Wed Mar 28 20:50:58 2007
From: jack at jackmathews.com (Jack Mathews)
Date: Wed Mar 28 20:51:22 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] video on cnn
Message-ID: <E8D275AD-214F-44C3-8DC5-4F62223DA3B6@jackmathews.com>

Attempting to click on a movie player news link on cnn it says "plug  
in warning" " no windows media player detected" yet windows media  
player 9.0 is installed, any suggestions?

Jack M
From maccelerate at earthlink.net  Wed Mar 28 21:00:19 2007
From: maccelerate at earthlink.net (Matthew W.)
Date: Wed Mar 28 21:00:46 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] video on cnn
In-Reply-To: <E8D275AD-214F-44C3-8DC5-4F62223DA3B6@jackmathews.com>
References: <E8D275AD-214F-44C3-8DC5-4F62223DA3B6@jackmathews.com>
Message-ID: <66C5F83F-23A6-4B47-9089-9777A85633DA@earthlink.net>

Ignore (or throw away) Windows Media Player. It's junk.

Instead, download and install this:
<http://flip4mac.com/wmv_download.htm>

It will fix your problem. It allows WMP access through QuickTime via  
their software.

Matthew

On Mar 28, 2007, at 8:50 PM, Jack Mathews wrote:

> Attempting to click on a movie player news link on cnn it says  
> "plug in warning" " no windows media player detected" yet windows  
> media player 9.0 is installed, any suggestions?
>
> Jack M
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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Wed Mar 28 21:10:01 2007
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Wed Mar 28 21:10:26 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] video on cnn
In-Reply-To: <66C5F83F-23A6-4B47-9089-9777A85633DA@earthlink.net>
References: <E8D275AD-214F-44C3-8DC5-4F62223DA3B6@jackmathews.com>
	<66C5F83F-23A6-4B47-9089-9777A85633DA@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <p06240621c230d04cd71b@[10.0.1.3]>

Thanks Matthew. I've spent the last 10 mins. trying to remember 
exactly what I did. Works fine.

At 9:00 PM -0500 3/28/07, Matthew W. wrote:
>Ignore (or throw away) Windows Media Player. It's junk.
>
>Instead, download and install this:
><http://flip4mac.com/wmv_download.htm>
>
>It will fix your problem. It allows WMP access through QuickTime via 
>their software.
>
>Matthew
>
>On Mar 28, 2007, at 8:50 PM, Jack Mathews wrote:
>
>>Attempting to click on a movie player news link on cnn it says 
>>"plug in warning" " no windows media player detected" yet windows 
>>media player 9.0 is installed, any suggestions?
>>
>>Jack M
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From jdt at internetsolver.com  Thu Mar 29 07:44:18 2007
From: jdt at internetsolver.com (John D. Todd)
Date: Thu Mar 29 07:44:42 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] the iWebsite
In-Reply-To: <p06240847c230741a158b@[192.168.0.4]>
References: <p0624082ec23050efd75f@[192.168.0.4]>
	<6A8F641F-345F-43E5-A2E9-24B9E612F33D@mac.com>
	<p0624061ac2305c73afff@[10.0.1.3]>
	<38247255-C29C-4C1B-B378-3ECA9C617C8E@mac.com>
	<p0624083bc23063de477b@[192.168.0.4]>
	<1E18115F-A537-4E58-B03F-F7698E1C2357@mac.com>
	<p06240847c230741a158b@[192.168.0.4]>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0703290742440.6785@charmed.internetsolver.com>

I believe you will still get hit because you have a mailto: link that is 
in plain text and contains your full email address.

JT

On Wed, 28 Mar 2007, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

>> Nope, iWeb Blogs are one way only.
>> Also, I'd use the official aliases instead of actual email addresses, those 
>> will get spidered and spammed lickety split.
>
> It's been editted to use the word 'at' rather than the sign and that should 
> at least control the spiders.
>
> http://web.mac.com/victoriaherring/iWeb/DMMUG/Welcome.html
>

-- 
From sthiessen at passitonservices.org  Thu Mar 29 09:23:56 2007
From: sthiessen at passitonservices.org (Stuart Thiessen)
Date: Thu Mar 29 09:24:20 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] the iWebsite
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0703290742440.6785@charmed.internetsolver.com>
References: <p0624082ec23050efd75f@[192.168.0.4]>
	<6A8F641F-345F-43E5-A2E9-24B9E612F33D@mac.com>
	<p0624061ac2305c73afff@[10.0.1.3]>
	<38247255-C29C-4C1B-B378-3ECA9C617C8E@mac.com>
	<p0624083bc23063de477b@[192.168.0.4]>
	<1E18115F-A537-4E58-B03F-F7698E1C2357@mac.com>
	<p06240847c230741a158b@[192.168.0.4]>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0703290742440.6785@charmed.internetsolver.com>
Message-ID: <f8290495382d4e7b763dfcc1127f4236@passitonservices.org>

I think the best thing to do is to create a contactus form and then 
have the form email the information to the person. You can put the 
names of the officers and whoever else in a drop down list or a radio 
button list or whatever, and then when the form gets ready to email, it 
can do a lookup of the email address and send it to the right 
person(s). Of course, this requires some minimal programming in the 
language of your choice to do the work behind the scenes. But that 
should minimize the harvesting. Right? :) If you design it right, you 
should be able to make this form become your "mailto:" for anything 
that requires an email to an officer. You can build it so that the 
officer can be preselected or that the topic is preselected. This gives 
you a bit more control than the mailto link, but takes more work on the 
front end unless you find a script somewhere or a template that has 
already done that.

I am planning to do this on the websites that I administer. I learned 
all this after the fact. Oh, well.

Thanks,

Stuart

On Mar 29, 2007, at 7:44, John D. Todd wrote:

> I believe you will still get hit because you have a mailto: link that 
> is in plain text and contains your full email address.
>
> JT
>
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2007, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
>
>>> Nope, iWeb Blogs are one way only.
>>> Also, I'd use the official aliases instead of actual email 
>>> addresses, those will get spidered and spammed lickety split.
>>
>> It's been editted to use the word 'at' rather than the sign and that 
>> should at least control the spiders.
>>
>> http://web.mac.com/victoriaherring/iWeb/DMMUG/Welcome.html
>>
>
> -- 
> _______________________________________________
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> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> Dmmug@dmmug.org
> Use this page to modify subscription options:
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>

From lists at herringlaw.com  Thu Mar 29 15:00:03 2007
From: lists at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu Mar 29 15:00:34 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Q ref using iPod to Present...
Message-ID: <p0624082bc231cb108f4e@[192.168.0.4]>

I have Keynote presentation = I can export as a movie or other item = 
if I put it on the iPod and plug it into the television and click, is 
that all I need to do to play it on the TV?  That would be WAY 
cool.....Thanks.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Travel Research & Photography site, 
<http://www.JourneyZing.com> [NEW: Athens/Greece Trip Report] ; 
Online Gallery at http://victoriajz.smugmug.com.  Images up now at 
Arte Gallery, East Village in Des Moines, and you can view them 
online at  http://web.mac.com/victoriaherring/iWeb/Gallery .
From lists at herringlaw.com  Thu Mar 29 15:43:45 2007
From: lists at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu Mar 29 15:44:14 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Your Mac Life Show - Shoutout to DSM MUG
In-Reply-To: <032920070033.2692.460B0954000CBFA800000A84219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0
	A0C079D9D010C0C@mchsi.com>
References: <032920070033.2692.460B0954000CBFA800000A84219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0
	A0C079D9D010C0C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <p06240836c231d570fdce@[192.168.0.4]>

>Just dropping everyone a note to listen to the show tonight at 
>www.yourmaclifeshow.com. I've got a shoutout sent for our group!!!!!
>Chris

what time, how and what's this mean???  Thanks!
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Travel Research & Photography site, 
<http://www.JourneyZing.com> [NEW: Athens/Greece Trip Report] ; 
Online Gallery at http://victoriajz.smugmug.com.  Images up now at 
Arte Gallery, East Village in Des Moines, and you can view them 
online at  http://web.mac.com/victoriaherring/iWeb/Gallery .
From maccelerate at earthlink.net  Thu Mar 29 18:10:59 2007
From: maccelerate at earthlink.net (Matthew W.)
Date: Thu Mar 29 18:11:27 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] the iWebsite
In-Reply-To: <f8290495382d4e7b763dfcc1127f4236@passitonservices.org>
References: <p0624082ec23050efd75f@[192.168.0.4]>
	<6A8F641F-345F-43E5-A2E9-24B9E612F33D@mac.com>
	<p0624061ac2305c73afff@[10.0.1.3]>
	<38247255-C29C-4C1B-B378-3ECA9C617C8E@mac.com>
	<p0624083bc23063de477b@[192.168.0.4]>
	<1E18115F-A537-4E58-B03F-F7698E1C2357@mac.com>
	<p06240847c230741a158b@[192.168.0.4]>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0703290742440.6785@charmed.internetsolver.com>
	<f8290495382d4e7b763dfcc1127f4236@passitonservices.org>
Message-ID: <CB1B14E1-891D-4C60-A4B6-AAE21C139006@earthlink.net>

Alternately, using a Flash graphic as your e-mail will also offer  
protection from site crawlers. This, too requires some programming,  
but perhaps finding a graphic artist who'd like to get their name on  
the site as the designer might agree to a pro bono arrangement.

Matthew

On Mar 29, 2007, at 9:23 AM, Stuart Thiessen wrote:

> I think the best thing to do is to create a contactus form and then  
> have the form email the information to the person. You can put the  
> names of the officers and whoever else in a drop down list or a  
> radio button list or whatever, and then when the form gets ready to  
> email, it can do a lookup of the email address and send it to the  
> right person(s). Of course, this requires some minimal programming  
> in the language of your choice to do the work behind the scenes.  
> But that should minimize the harvesting. Right? :) If you design it  
> right, you should be able to make this form become your "mailto:"  
> for anything that requires an email to an officer. You can build it  
> so that the officer can be preselected or that the topic is  
> preselected. This gives you a bit more control than the mailto  
> link, but takes more work on the front end unless you find a script  
> somewhere or a template that has already done that.
>
> I am planning to do this on the websites that I administer. I  
> learned all this after the fact. Oh, well.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Stuart
>
> On Mar 29, 2007, at 7:44, John D. Todd wrote:
>
>> I believe you will still get hit because you have a mailto: link  
>> that is in plain text and contains your full email address.
>>
>> JT
>>
>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2007, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
>>
>>>> Nope, iWeb Blogs are one way only.
>>>> Also, I'd use the official aliases instead of actual email  
>>>> addresses, those will get spidered and spammed lickety split.
>>>
>>> It's been editted to use the word 'at' rather than the sign and  
>>> that should at least control the spiders.
>>>
>>> http://web.mac.com/victoriaherring/iWeb/DMMUG/Welcome.html

From ccorrice at mchsi.com  Thu Mar 29 18:35:06 2007
From: ccorrice at mchsi.com (Chris Corrice)
Date: Thu Mar 29 18:35:33 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Your Mac Life Show - Shoutout to DSM MUG
In-Reply-To: <p06240836c231d570fdce@[192.168.0.4]>
References: <032920070033.2692.460B0954000CBFA800000A84219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0
	A0C079D9D010C0C@mchsi.com> <p06240836c231d570fdce@[192.168.0.4]>
Message-ID: <3A9FD5ED-FA82-48E8-9CEB-7587D86184AF@mchsi.com>

yourmaclifeshow.com
YML is one of the net's oldest and most famous internet radio shows.  
It is hosted by Shawn KIng and his now bride Lesa. Previous Shawn  
hosted The Mac Show for several years.
YML is on Wednesday nights. There is a fun set of chat rooms that you  
can join while listening to the show. Sometimes they broadcast video  
as well. You can listen to the current Wednesday show for one week on  
their website and I think you can also do that thru iTunes.
I'm in class on Weds so I couldn't listen live although I get the  
show the next day thru Audible. I emailed them to shoutout (read mine  
and the group's name) last night. :)
Chris

On Mar 29, 2007, at 3:43 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

>> Just dropping everyone a note to listen to the show tonight at  
>> www.yourmaclifeshow.com. I've got a shoutout sent for our group!!!!!
>> Chris
>
> what time, how and what's this mean???  Thanks!
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Travel Research & Photography site,  
> <http://www.JourneyZing.com> [NEW: Athens/Greece Trip Report] ;  
> Online Gallery at http://victoriajz.smugmug.com.  Images up now at  
> Arte Gallery, East Village in Des Moines, and you can view them  
> online at  http://web.mac.com/victoriaherring/iWeb/Gallery .
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> DMMUG@dmmug.org
> Use this page to modify subscription options:
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug

From lists at herringlaw.com  Thu Mar 29 18:35:26 2007
From: lists at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu Mar 29 18:35:54 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Alternative meeting site ideas for social type of
 gathering this Spring
Message-ID: <p06240843c231fb88eb9e@[192.168.0.4]>

I'm mulling over a social/Switcher-focused gathering some evening 
from 4p - 7p in April, early May that could be held anywhere fairly 
centrally located, with free wi-fi and a free room use, if possible. 
We'd probably ask everyone to BYO, if possible [or ask members to 
contribute Bs so those newbie Mac folks are true guests].  I have 
found a few possible sites:  Pappajohn Ed. Center and DMACC, Cub Club 
[not sure it's free] and maybe people here know of others.  I've 
talked it over with CW at Haddock and my thought is to provide 
Haddock, CompUSA, AppleStore to come and answer Q and share whatever 
they can [if they want, it'd be up to them] and I'd like to get 
started planning this so we can get some good publicity out.

What I'd like from this group is:  a volunteer or two to work with me 
in getting this organized, ideas other than the above for meeting 
places which fit the bill, ideas and suggestions for topics, 
presenters and anything else, and help with getting the word out 
about the event once it's set.

You can email the list or me directly or you can IM me: 
victoriaherring@mac.com

Much thanks.  Victoria


-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Travel Research & Photography site, 
<http://www.JourneyZing.com> [NEW: Athens/Greece Trip Report] ; 
Online Gallery at http://victoriajz.smugmug.com.  Images up now at 
Arte Gallery, East Village in Des Moines, and you can view them 
online at  http://web.mac.com/victoriaherring/iWeb/Gallery .
From darcybaston at mac.com  Thu Mar 29 18:36:49 2007
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Thu Mar 29 18:37:16 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] the iWebsite
In-Reply-To: <CB1B14E1-891D-4C60-A4B6-AAE21C139006@earthlink.net>
References: <p0624082ec23050efd75f@[192.168.0.4]>
	<6A8F641F-345F-43E5-A2E9-24B9E612F33D@mac.com>
	<p0624061ac2305c73afff@[10.0.1.3]>
	<38247255-C29C-4C1B-B378-3ECA9C617C8E@mac.com>
	<p0624083bc23063de477b@[192.168.0.4]>
	<1E18115F-A537-4E58-B03F-F7698E1C2357@mac.com>
	<p06240847c230741a158b@[192.168.0.4]>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0703290742440.6785@charmed.internetsolver.com>
	<f8290495382d4e7b763dfcc1127f4236@passitonservices.org>
	<CB1B14E1-891D-4C60-A4B6-AAE21C139006@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <C09BEAAE-9BAA-4D59-AE07-ABDE4CA51F9A@mac.com>

You can also use javascript to hide an email address.

Example:

<p>Send your comments and questions to our

<script language=javascript>
   <!--
   var contact = "Newsletter Editor"
   var email = "news"
   var emailHost = "netmechanic.com"
   document.write("<a href=" + "mail" + "to:" + email + "@" +  
emailHost+ ">" + contact + "</a>" + ".")
   //-->
</script>
</p>

It's also better not to use a mailto: url and instead run a server- 
side script that uses an smtp daemon. I recall having problems with  
AOL browsers that wouldn't accept some mailto: urls.

Darcy

On Mar 29, 2007, at 6:10 PM, Matthew W. wrote:

Alternately, using a Flash graphic as your e-mail will also offer  
protection from site crawlers. This, too requires some programming,  
but perhaps finding a graphic artist who'd like to get their name on  
the site as the designer might agree to a pro bono arrangement.

Matthew

On Mar 29, 2007, at 9:23 AM, Stuart Thiessen wrote:

> I think the best thing to do is to create a contactus form and then  
> have the form email the information to the person. You can put the  
> names of the officers and whoever else in a drop down list or a  
> radio button list or whatever, and then when the form gets ready to  
> email, it can do a lookup of the email address and send it to the  
> right person(s). Of course, this requires some minimal programming  
> in the language of your choice to do the work behind the scenes.  
> But that should minimize the harvesting. Right? :) If you design it  
> right, you should be able to make this form become your "mailto:"  
> for anything that requires an email to an officer. You can build it  
> so that the officer can be preselected or that the topic is  
> preselected. This gives you a bit more control than the mailto  
> link, but takes more work on the front end unless you find a script  
> somewhere or a template that has already done that.
>
> I am planning to do this on the websites that I administer. I  
> learned all this after the fact. Oh, well.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Stuart
>
> On Mar 29, 2007, at 7:44, John D. Todd wrote:
>
>> I believe you will still get hit because you have a mailto: link  
>> that is in plain text and contains your full email address.
>>
>> JT
>>
>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2007, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
>>
>>>> Nope, iWeb Blogs are one way only.
>>>> Also, I'd use the official aliases instead of actual email  
>>>> addresses, those will get spidered and spammed lickety split.
>>>
>>> It's been editted to use the word 'at' rather than the sign and  
>>> that should at least control the spiders.
>>>
>>> http://web.mac.com/victoriaherring/iWeb/DMMUG/Welcome.html

_______________________________________________
DMMUG mailing list
Use this Address to send mail to the list:
DMMUG@dmmug.org
Use this page to modify subscription options:
http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug

From lists at herringlaw.com  Fri Mar 30 04:33:26 2007
From: lists at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Fri Mar 30 04:41:17 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Request of MUG people
Message-ID: <p06240853c232885aed25@[192.168.0.4]>

I did it and it was fine and not too long.  Basically is about how 
one searches files using a Mac.

>
>>From: Ofer Bergman 
>><<mailto:O.Bergman@sheffield.ac.uk>O.Bergman@sheffield.ac.uk>
>>Date: March 26, 2007 10:31:14 AM CDT
>>To: <mailto:president@dmmug.org>president@dmmug.org
>>Subject: Request to contact DM-MUG members regarding a Mac related Web survey
>>
>>Dear DM-MUG President,
>>
>>My name is Ofer and I'm a researcher at Sheffield University UK. As 
>>part of an international research project we have developed a short 
>>Web survey regarding file retrieval for Macintosh users. If 
>>possible I would like to ask members of the DM-MUG to participate 
>>in it. The link to the survey is 
>><http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=133413536292>http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=133413536292 
>>.
>>
>>A few words about it:
>>
>>It's very short - contains only 16 questions and takes about 5 
>>minutes to complete.
>>It's completely anonymous and confidential.
>>It serves only academic non-commercial purposes.
>>We are depending on the good will of Mac users - without it we 
>>cannot do this research. Would it be possible to contact DM-MUG 
>>members?
>>
>>Many thanks,
>>
>>Dr. Ofer Bergman
>>
>>Marie Curie Research Fellow
>>
>>Information Studies Department, Sheffield University
>>
>>Regent Court, 211 Portobello Street, Sheffield, S1 4DP, UK
>>
>>Email: <mailto:O.Bergman@sheffield.ac.uk>O.Bergman@sheffield.ac.uk
>>
>>Tel: +44-(0)114-2226348
>>
>>Fax: +44 (0) 114 278 0300
>>
>><http://ir.shef.ac.uk/people.html>http://ir.shef.ac.uk/people.html
>>

-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Travel Research & Photography site, 
<http://www.JourneyZing.com> [NEW: Athens/Greece Trip Report] ; 
Online Gallery at http://victoriajz.smugmug.com.  Images up now at 
Arte Gallery, East Village in Des Moines, and you can view them 
online at  http://web.mac.com/victoriaherring/iWeb/Gallery .
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From: lists at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Fri Mar 30 06:01:41 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Interesting article to read ref Apple & the future
Message-ID: <p06240808c2329c8da923@[192.168.0.4]>

>Victoria Herring has sent you an article from the Computerworld Web site.
>
>To view the rest of the story, copy the link and paste it into your 
>browser window.
>http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9014686
>
>Why Microsoft Should Fear Apple (March 28 2007, 12:00AM)
>
>It isn't about Apple's market share or even its quarterly sales 
>numbers. It's about perception.
>
>http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9014686
>
>Copyright 2006
>Computerworld Inc.
>http://computerworld.com


-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Travel Research & Photography site, 
<http://www.JourneyZing.com> [NEW: Athens/Greece Trip Report] ; 
Online Gallery at http://victoriajz.smugmug.com.  Images up now at 
Arte Gallery, East Village in Des Moines, and you can view them 
online at  http://web.mac.com/victoriaherring/iWeb/Gallery .
From lists at herringlaw.com  Fri Mar 30 08:18:56 2007
From: lists at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Fri Mar 30 08:19:48 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] for the Lawyers in the crowd
Message-ID: <p06240817c232be6497b4@[192.168.0.4]>

Ross Kodner is coming to speak at the Iowa Bar convention this 
summer.  I asked the MacLaw list about him and here's some info....if 
he's in town at the 'right time' and would be willing to have lunch 
or dinner or whatever withsome DMMUGS would anyone be interested??

>Never miss a chance to hear Ross speak!
>
>His presentations are more geard toward Windows machines, but Ross 
>is extremely creative
>and entertaining and is a big fan of the elegance of the MAC and the 
>OS X operating system.
>
>Let him know you are a Mac person and he will incorporate 
>discussions of Mac hardware adn
>software into his presentation.
>
>You might check out Ross' blog "Ross Ipsa Loquitor" - I think he has 
>blogged about recent
>Mac hardware in the past.
>
>Patrick Smith
Birmingham, Alabama
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Travel Research & Photography site, 
<http://www.JourneyZing.com> [NEW: Athens/Greece Trip Report] ; 
Online Gallery at http://victoriajz.smugmug.com.  Images up now at 
Arte Gallery, East Village in Des Moines, and you can view them 
online at  http://web.mac.com/victoriaherring/iWeb/Gallery .
From ka_klick at mac.com  Fri Mar 30 08:35:49 2007
From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker)
Date: Fri Mar 30 08:36:18 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] for the Lawyers in the crowd
In-Reply-To: <p06240817c232be6497b4@[192.168.0.4]>
References: <p06240817c232be6497b4@[192.168.0.4]>
Message-ID: <E8E93973-4568-4E32-A237-A449608FE553@mac.com>

He's very active on the ABA Lawtech listserv and usually has a pretty  
level head about things there.

On Mar 30, 2007, at 8:18 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
> Ross Kodner is coming to speak at the Iowa Bar convention this  
> summer.  I asked the MacLaw list about him and here's some  
> info....if he's in town at the 'right time' and would be willing to  
> have lunch or dinner or whatever withsome DMMUGS would anyone be  
> interested??
>
>> Never miss a chance to hear Ross speak!
>>
>> His presentations are more geard toward Windows machines, but Ross  
>> is extremely creative
>> and entertaining and is a big fan of the elegance of the MAC and  
>> the OS X operating system.
>>
>> Let him know you are a Mac person and he will incorporate  
>> discussions of Mac hardware adn
>> software into his presentation.
>>
>> You might check out Ross' blog "Ross Ipsa Loquitor" - I think he  
>> has blogged about recent
>> Mac hardware in the past.
>>
>> Patrick Smith
> Birmingham, Alabama
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Travel Research & Photography site,  
> <http://www.JourneyZing.com> [NEW: Athens/Greece Trip Report] ;  
> Online Gallery at http://victoriajz.smugmug.com.  Images up now at  
> Arte Gallery, East Village in Des Moines, and you can view them  
> online at  http://web.mac.com/victoriaherring/iWeb/Gallery .
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> DMMUG@dmmug.org
> Use this page to modify subscription options:
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug

--
Bryan "ka-klick" Baker
Singer/Songwriter
With 2 New CDs!!! See my website for details
kaklick_martin@mac.com
http://ka-klick.com


From rbowler at mchsi.com  Fri Mar 30 08:55:08 2007
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Fri Mar 30 08:55:34 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] [Admin] Duplicates, unsubscribing and adding members
Message-ID: <p0624060ec232c2ccacf2@[10.0.1.3]>

As Victoria and I relive Bryan of his mailing list responsibilities 
there are a couple if items for your consideration:

1. Since this will go out to all addresses on the list if you are on 
the list twice you will receive duplicate messages. If you do receive 
dups. please go to the bottom of the message to the address which you 
do not want and click on the link to the list web page. The last item 
on the page allows you to unsubscribe.

  2. If you do not want the emails from the list unsubscribe using the 
link below.

3. If you know someone who you think would be interested in the list 
send the the link:

	<http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug>

On of the reasons which we have for this message is that we have a 
total of over 140 people on the list and would like to confirm that 
this is accurate.

If you have concerns about the mailing list contact the president or 
myself and let us know about it.

We are looking at changes in the web page and would welcome 
suggestions (even if they are not implemented -:)).
-- 
Ray Bowler

rbowler.home.mchsi.com
From robolaw at aol.com  Fri Mar 30 09:10:52 2007
From: robolaw at aol.com (Michael R. Hoffmann)
Date: Fri Mar 30 09:11:28 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] for the Lawyers in the crowd
In-Reply-To: <p06240817c232be6497b4@[192.168.0.4]>
References: <p06240817c232be6497b4@[192.168.0.4]>
Message-ID: <8C6717B2-EF03-417C-881F-D6F0A984743E@aol.com>

Yes.

Thanks.

Very truly yours,
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On Mar 30, 2007, at 8:18 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> Ross Kodner is coming to speak at the Iowa Bar convention this  
> summer.  I asked the MacLaw list about him and here's some  
> info....if he's in town at the 'right time' and would be willing to  
> have lunch or dinner or whatever withsome DMMUGS would anyone be  
> interested??
>
>> Never miss a chance to hear Ross speak!
>>
>> His presentations are more geard toward Windows machines, but Ross  
>> is extremely creative
>> and entertaining and is a big fan of the elegance of the MAC and  
>> the OS X operating system.
>>
>> Let him know you are a Mac person and he will incorporate  
>> discussions of Mac hardware adn
>> software into his presentation.
>>
>> You might check out Ross' blog "Ross Ipsa Loquitor" - I think he  
>> has blogged about recent
>> Mac hardware in the past.
>>
>> Patrick Smith
> Birmingham, Alabama
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Travel Research & Photography site,  
> <http://www.JourneyZing.com> [NEW: Athens/Greece Trip Report] ;  
> Online Gallery at http://victoriajz.smugmug.com.  Images up now at  
> Arte Gallery, East Village in Des Moines, and you can view them  
> online at  http://web.mac.com/victoriaherring/iWeb/Gallery .
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> DMMUG@dmmug.org
> Use this page to modify subscription options:
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
From ka_klick at mac.com  Fri Mar 30 09:48:14 2007
From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker)
Date: Fri Mar 30 09:48:53 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] [Admin] Duplicates, unsubscribing and adding members
In-Reply-To: <p0624060ec232c2ccacf2@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <p0624060ec232c2ccacf2@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <EB70B017-E28E-405A-BFA6-521D3D6C136D@mac.com>

NO, Ray, there is a good reason for duplicate users, and there is a  
mechanism that allows for you to have multiple addresses with only 1  
getting mail. If you are getting duplicate mail, use that link and  
set the one you don't want to "no mail" it will let you post from  
that address but will not deliver messages. If people delete all  
their "no-mail" entries, every time they decide to post from one of  
those accounts we'll get moderation requests.

I will say this is a good reminder for folks, that most of their  
subscription administration can be done by themselves at that address.

AGAIN: Do not delete entries for accounts you may find yourself  
posting from (<cough> Victoria) - right now 99% of what we get in  
admin requests is spam, and easily dealt with - if it's all spam, if  
people start making legit posts from accounts they've un-listed,  
it'll make it more difficult to keep the list admin'ed.



On Mar 30, 2007, at 8:55 AM, Ray Bowler wrote:
> As Victoria and I relive Bryan of his mailing list responsibilities  
> there are a couple if items for your consideration:
>
> 1. Since this will go out to all addresses on the list if you are  
> on the list twice you will receive duplicate messages. If you do  
> receive dups. please go to the bottom of the message to the address  
> which you do not want and click on the link to the list web page.  
> The last item on the page allows you to unsubscribe.
>
>  2. If you do not want the emails from the list unsubscribe using  
> the link below.
>
> 3. If you know someone who you think would be interested in the  
> list send the the link:
>
> 	<http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug>
>
> On of the reasons which we have for this message is that we have a  
> total of over 140 people on the list and would like to confirm that  
> this is accurate.
>
> If you have concerns about the mailing list contact the president  
> or myself and let us know about it.
>
> We are looking at changes in the web page and would welcome  
> suggestions (even if they are not implemented -:)).
> -- 
> Ray Bowler
>
> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> DMMUG@dmmug.org
> Use this page to modify subscription options:
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug

--
Bryan "ka-klick" Baker
Singer/Songwriter
With 2 New CDs!!! See my website for details
kaklick_martin@mac.com
http://ka-klick.com


From lists at herringlaw.com  Fri Mar 30 11:39:38 2007
From: lists at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Fri Mar 30 11:40:25 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] [Admin] Duplicates, unsubscribing and adding members
In-Reply-To: <EB70B017-E28E-405A-BFA6-521D3D6C136D@mac.com>
References: <p0624060ec232c2ccacf2@[10.0.1.3]>
	<EB70B017-E28E-405A-BFA6-521D3D6C136D@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p06240832c232ed83a30a@[192.168.0.4]>

YahooGroups allows this also, i.e., you are subscribed under 2 or so 
emails and can post from both, but need only receive email from one.

It might be nice, however, to know who is who == there are lots of 
email addresses but not so many names of people associated with them 
and that would be nice to know, frankly.  Thanks, Ka Klick for 
catching this.  :)
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Travel Research & Photography site, 
<http://www.JourneyZing.com> [NEW: Athens/Greece Trip Report] ; 
Online Gallery at http://victoriajz.smugmug.com.  Images up now at 
Arte Gallery, East Village in Des Moines, and you can view them 
online at  http://web.mac.com/victoriaherring/iWeb/Gallery .
From rbowler at mchsi.com  Fri Mar 30 12:44:54 2007
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Fri Mar 30 12:45:21 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] [Admin] Duplicates, unsubscribing and adding members
In-Reply-To: <EB70B017-E28E-405A-BFA6-521D3D6C136D@mac.com>
References: <p0624060ec232c2ccacf2@[10.0.1.3]>
	<EB70B017-E28E-405A-BFA6-521D3D6C136D@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p06240611c232fd015152@[10.0.1.3]>

Thanks for bthe advice

At 9:48 AM -0500 3/30/07, Bryan Baker wrote:
>NO, Ray, there is a good reason for duplicate users, and there is a 
>mechanism that allows for you to have multiple addresses with only 1 
>getting mail. If you are getting duplicate mail, use that link and 
>set the one you don't want to "no mail" it will let you post from 
>that address but will not deliver messages. If people delete all 
>their "no-mail" entries, every time they decide to post from one of 
>those accounts we'll get moderation requests.
>
>I will say this is a good reminder for folks, that most of their 
>subscription administration can be done by themselves at that 
>address.
>
>AGAIN: Do not delete entries for accounts you may find yourself 
>posting from (<cough> Victoria) - right now 99% of what we get in 
>admin requests is spam, and easily dealt with - if it's all spam, if 
>people start making legit posts from accounts they've un-listed, 
>it'll make it more difficult to keep the list admin'ed.
>
>
>
>On Mar 30, 2007, at 8:55 AM, Ray Bowler wrote:
>>As Victoria and I relive Bryan of his mailing list responsibilities 
>>there are a couple if items for your consideration:
>>
>>1. Since this will go out to all addresses on the list if you are 
>>on the list twice you will receive duplicate messages. If you do 
>>receive dups. please go to the bottom of the message to the address 
>>which you do not want and click on the link to the list web page. 
>>The last item on the page allows you to unsubscribe.
>>
>>  2. If you do not want the emails from the list unsubscribe using 
>>the link below.
>>
>>3. If you know someone who you think would be interested in the 
>>list send the the link:
>>
>>	<http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug>
>>
>>On of the reasons which we have for this message is that we have a 
>>total of over 140 people on the list and would like to confirm that 
>>this is accurate.
>>
>>If you have concerns about the mailing list contact the president 
>>or myself and let us know about it.
>>
>>We are looking at changes in the web page and would welcome 
>>suggestions (even if they are not implemented -:)).
>>--
>>Ray Bowler
>>
>>rbowler.home.mchsi.com
>>_______________________________________________
>>DMMUG mailing list
>>Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>>DMMUG@dmmug.org
>>Use this page to modify subscription options:
>>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>
>--
>Bryan "ka-klick" Baker
>Singer/Songwriter
>With 2 New CDs!!! See my website for details
>kaklick_martin@mac.com
>http://ka-klick.com
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>DMMUG mailing list
>Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>DMMUG@dmmug.org
>Use this page to modify subscription options:
>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug


-- 
Ray Bowler

rbowler.home.mchsi.com
From darcybaston at mac.com  Fri Mar 30 19:10:48 2007
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Fri Mar 30 19:11:44 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] what's your favorite browser?
Message-ID: <854E1791-0111-1000-DD02-50E3132FB7A0-Webmail-10017@mac.com>

MacOSXHints is having a poll:

http://www.macosxhints.com/polls/index.php
From DMP-subscribe-conf-259512956.185850364 at topica.com  Fri Mar 30 18:32:10 2007
From: DMP-subscribe-conf-259512956.185850364 at topica.com (Topica Customer Care)
Date: Fri Mar 30 23:44:43 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] RESPONSE REQUIRED: Confirm your subscription to
	DMP@topica.com
Message-ID: <1080960549-1463792126-1175297530@boing.topica.com>

Hello!

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DMP@topica.com. This list is hosted free at 
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============================================
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      By Visiting the Link Below.
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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Sat Mar 31 08:47:20 2007
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Sat Mar 31 08:47:45 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] entering links using Preview
Message-ID: <p06240601c234153da58a@[10.0.1.3]>

I would like to have a list of people on a web site and when one of 
the names is clicked the viewer would go to that person's entry in a 
large PDF. Is there any way of doing this without buying expensive 
software?

The alternative is to PDFs of each individual and link the them on 
the web page.

Thanks.
-- 
Ray Bowler

rbowler.home.mchsi.com
From ka_klick at mac.com  Sat Mar 31 11:15:45 2007
From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker)
Date: Sat Mar 31 11:16:11 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] RESPONSE REQUIRED: Confirm your subscription
	to	DMP@topica.com
In-Reply-To: <1080960549-1463792126-1175297530@boing.topica.com>
References: <1080960549-1463792126-1175297530@boing.topica.com>
Message-ID: <DA6E342E-BBAD-43BF-A7C9-96375276A607@mac.com>

THIS SHOULD NOT BE APPROVED!!!!
This is junk that has been flooding us for months. It is SPAM.

On Mar 30, 2007, at 6:32 PM, Topica Customer Care wrote:
> Hello!
>
> We received your request to subscribe to
> DMP@topica.com. This list is hosted free at
> Topica.com.
>
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>       By Visiting the Link Below.
> ============================================
>
> We welcome your participation in this email list.
> Before we begin sending you email, we want to be
> certain we have your permission.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> One-Click Confirmation!
>
> Just click this link (or cut and paste it into your
> browser) and we'll immediately begin your new
> subscription! It's quick and easy:
>
> http://www.topica.com/sysmsg/?cid=4.MnenfMenG.fNnNnTbGE&p=ConfSub010
>
> Or, if you prefer, reply to this message. No need
> to type anything into the subject line.
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> If you do not want to subscribe to this list,
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--
Bryan "ka-klick" Baker
Singer/Songwriter
With 2 New CDs!!! See my website for details
kaklick_martin@mac.com
http://ka-klick.com


From lists at herringlaw.com  Sat Mar 31 11:45:25 2007
From: lists at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sat Mar 31 11:47:50 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] RESPONSE REQUIRED: Confirm your subscription 	to
	DMP@topica.com
In-Reply-To: <DA6E342E-BBAD-43BF-A7C9-96375276A607@mac.com>
References: <1080960549-1463792126-1175297530@boing.topica.com>
	<DA6E342E-BBAD-43BF-A7C9-96375276A607@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p06240857c234406e12f7@[192.168.0.4]>

Thanks for the reminder.  I know because I talked to you and Ray 
knows, I think...Ray's handling the listserve/membership list and 
will protect us from this sort of junk.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Travel Research & Photography site, 
<http://www.JourneyZing.com> [NEW: Athens/Greece Trip Report] ; 
Online Gallery at http://victoriajz.smugmug.com.  Images up now at 
Arte Gallery, East Village in Des Moines, and you can view them 
online at  http://web.mac.com/victoriaherring/iWeb/Gallery .
From rbowler at mchsi.com  Sat Mar 31 14:41:34 2007
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Sat Mar 31 14:41:59 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] RESPONSE REQUIRED: Confirm your subscription 	to
	DMP@topica.com
In-Reply-To: <DA6E342E-BBAD-43BF-A7C9-96375276A607@mac.com>
References: <1080960549-1463792126-1175297530@boing.topica.com>
	<DA6E342E-BBAD-43BF-A7C9-96375276A607@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p06240604c23469cf77c5@[10.0.1.3]>

Thanks. That is what I thought from something else which you said.

At 11:15 AM -0500 3/31/07, Bryan Baker wrote:
>THIS SHOULD NOT BE APPROVED!!!!
>This is junk that has been flooding us for months. It is SPAM.
>
>On Mar 30, 2007, at 6:32 PM, Topica Customer Care wrote:
>>Hello!
>>
>>We received your request to subscribe to
>>DMP@topica.com. This list is hosted free at
>>Topica.com.
>>
>>============================================
>>   Quickly Confirm Your New Subscription
>>       By Visiting the Link Below.
>>============================================
>>
>>We welcome your participation in this email list.
>>Before we begin sending you email, we want to be
>>certain we have your permission.
>>
>>--------------------------------------------------
>>One-Click Confirmation!
>>
>>Just click this link (or cut and paste it into your
>>browser) and we'll immediately begin your new
>>subscription! It's quick and easy:
>>
>>http://www.topica.com/sysmsg/?cid=4.MnenfMenG.fNnNnTbGE&p=ConfSub010
>>
>>Or, if you prefer, reply to this message. No need
>>to type anything into the subject line.
>>
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>>
>>
>>If you do not want to subscribe to this list,
>>simply ignore this message.
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>>(If you feel we have sent this confirmation email
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>>email address, please contact us at
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>>
>>Topica
>>Learn More. Surf Less.
>>--------------------------------------------------
>>If you have questions about this subscription,
>>please visit the Topica Help section at
>>http://www.topica.com
>>Or email Topica Customer Support at
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>>_______________________________________________
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>
>--
>Bryan "ka-klick" Baker
>Singer/Songwriter
>With 2 New CDs!!! See my website for details
>kaklick_martin@mac.com
>http://ka-klick.com
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>DMMUG mailing list
>Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>DMMUG@dmmug.org
>Use this page to modify subscription options:
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-- 
Ray Bowler

rbowler.home.mchsi.com
From big.smelly at gmail.com  Sat Mar 31 14:51:33 2007
From: big.smelly at gmail.com (Chris R)
Date: Sat Mar 31 14:52:06 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] RESPONSE REQUIRED: Confirm your subscription to
	DMP@topica.com
In-Reply-To: <p06240604c23469cf77c5@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <1080960549-1463792126-1175297530@boing.topica.com>
	<DA6E342E-BBAD-43BF-A7C9-96375276A607@mac.com>
	<p06240604c23469cf77c5@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <62C34A94-A14A-4BE6-BC91-C858D2C5A5F8@gmail.com>

Me too. If a pc at work hadnt crashed I would have signed up. Thanks  
for the warning. C

Someday you will find that there is a difference between wanting and  
having.

http://www.kavanaughgallery.com

On Mar 31, 2007, at 2:41 PM, Ray Bowler wrote:

> Thanks. That is what I thought from something else which you said.
>
> At 11:15 AM -0500 3/31/07, Bryan Baker wrote:
>> THIS SHOULD NOT BE APPROVED!!!!
>> This is junk that has been flooding us for months. It is SPAM.
>>
>> On Mar 30, 2007, at 6:32 PM, Topica Customer Care wrote:
>>> Hello!
>>>
>>> We received your request to subscribe to
>>> DMP@topica.com. This list is hosted free at
>>> Topica.com.
>>>
>>> ============================================
>>>   Quickly Confirm Your New Subscription
>>>       By Visiting the Link Below.
>>> ============================================
>>>
>>> We welcome your participation in this email list.
>>> Before we begin sending you email, we want to be
>>> certain we have your permission.
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> One-Click Confirmation!
>>>
>>> Just click this link (or cut and paste it into your
>>> browser) and we'll immediately begin your new
>>> subscription! It's quick and easy:
>>>
>>> http://www.topica.com/sysmsg/?cid=4.MnenfMenG.fNnNnTbGE&p=ConfSub010
>>>
>>> Or, if you prefer, reply to this message. No need
>>> to type anything into the subject line.
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
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>>>
>>>
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>>> simply ignore this message.
>>>
>>> (If you feel we have sent this confirmation email
>>> in error, or you did not request to participate in
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From lists at herringlaw.com  Thu Mar 29 10:53:20 2007
From: lists at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Wed Feb 27 14:05:16 2008
Subject: [DM-MUG] This is WAY cool....Complete my Album in iTunes
Message-ID: <p06240820c23190d3e899@[192.168.0.4]>

Apple: iTunes introduces complete my album   Co announced a new 
iTunes service that allows customers to turn their individual tracks 
into a complete album at a reduced price by giving them a full 99 
cent credit for every track they have previously purchased from that 
album. When users buy any ...
(AAPL), (Trade)

Go to the store, click the button and see the albums that apply, 
select one and you'll see that whatever from it that you have 
previously purchased is greyed out and the rest show up and now you 
can see if you want to buy the remaining songs without having to do 
all the click and find yourself as long as it's within 6 mos. of the 
purchase of the earlier song[s]....what a great concept!
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