From wjschoenenberger at qwest.net  Sat Aug  4 21:38:06 2007
From: wjschoenenberger at qwest.net (William Schoenenberger)
Date: Sat Aug  4 21:38:52 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] UserGroup Review and Info
In-Reply-To: <p062408a8c2d01c0aaecf@[192.168.0.4]>
References: <p062408a8c2d01c0aaecf@[192.168.0.4]>
Message-ID: <94031B24-547A-4829-8AB4-1E4ED9C1D1BD@qwest.net>

I am looking for a power supply for an ibook (chicklet/white style).  
My daughter's ibook no longer gets the nice yellow or green light  
(i.e. it does not charge from the power supply). A little jiggling  
when it happened a week ago get it going, Ideally, would like to just  
borrow one to test it. Of course if it is the problem then will need  
to purchase one.

Don't have one compatible with the iBook to test to see if it is the  
power supply.

Thanks


Bill



William Schoenenberger
Des Moines, IA
wjschoenenberger@qwest.net

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From cwsmith7 at gmail.com  Sat Aug  4 23:02:26 2007
From: cwsmith7 at gmail.com (CW Smith)
Date: Sat Aug  4 23:03:12 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] UserGroup Review and Info
In-Reply-To: <94031B24-547A-4829-8AB4-1E4ED9C1D1BD@qwest.net>
References: <p062408a8c2d01c0aaecf@192.168.0.4>
	<94031B24-547A-4829-8AB4-1E4ED9C1D1BD@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <a82e75f90708042102i1dde0f56g311395d3f34c5ed6@mail.gmail.com>

Bill, just bring the iBook and its power supply into Haddock on Monday and
I'll test them for you. If you need a new power supply, we've got
replacements in stock. If it turns out to be the charging board, I might
have that in stock too.
Peace,
CW

On 8/4/07, William Schoenenberger <wjschoenenberger@qwest.net> wrote:
>
> I am looking for a power supply for an ibook (chicklet/white style). My
> daughter's ibook no longer gets the nice yellow or green light (i.e. it
> does not charge from the power supply). A little jiggling when it happened a
> week ago get it going, Ideally, would like to just borrow one to test it. Of
> course if it is the problem then will need to purchase one.
>
> Don't have one compatible with the iBook to test to see if it is the power
> supply.
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
> William Schoenenberger
> Des Moines, IA
> wjschoenenberger@qwest.net
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> DMMUG@dmmug.org
> Use this page to modify subscription options:
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> /listinfo/dmmug <http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug>
>



-- 
Curt (CW) Smith
Musician, Composer, Producer, Technician

Personal: cwsmith7@gmail.com
Technical: cw@gohaddock.com
Musical: cwsmith@spymac.com
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From wjschoenenberger at qwest.net  Sun Aug  5 07:01:53 2007
From: wjschoenenberger at qwest.net (William Schoenenberger)
Date: Sun Aug  5 07:02:41 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] UserGroup Review and Info
In-Reply-To: <a82e75f90708042102i1dde0f56g311395d3f34c5ed6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <p062408a8c2d01c0aaecf@192.168.0.4>
	<94031B24-547A-4829-8AB4-1E4ED9C1D1BD@qwest.net>
	<a82e75f90708042102i1dde0f56g311395d3f34c5ed6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F80337D2-4B19-45BD-BF94-E338483C5DF1@qwest.net>

CW

Testing "low cost"?  :-)

I will my daughter bring it in.

Thanks.

What is the going price on the charging board?


bill
William Schoenenberger
Des Moines, IA
wjschoenenberger@qwest.net


On Aug 4, 2007, at 11:02 PM, CW Smith wrote:

> Bill, just bring the iBook and its power supply into Haddock on  
> Monday and I'll test them for you. If you need a new power supply,  
> we've got replacements in stock. If it turns out to be the charging  
> board, I might have that in stock too.
>
> Peace,
> CW
>
> On 8/4/07, William Schoenenberger < wjschoenenberger@qwest.net> wrote:
> I am looking for a power supply for an ibook (chicklet/white  
> style). My daughter's ibook no longer gets the nice yellow or green  
> light (i.e. it does not charge from the power supply). A little  
> jiggling when it happened a week ago get it going, Ideally, would  
> like to just borrow one to test it. Of course if it is the problem  
> then will need to purchase one.
>
>
> Don't have one compatible with the iBook to test to see if it is  
> the power supply.
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
> William Schoenenberger
> Des Moines, IA
> wjschoenenberger@qwest.net
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> DMMUG@dmmug.org
> Use this page to modify subscription options:
> http://cialug.org/mailman /listinfo/dmmug
>
>
>
> -- 
> Curt (CW) Smith
> Musician, Composer, Producer, Technician
>
> Personal: cwsmith7@gmail.com
> Technical: cw@gohaddock.com
> Musical: cwsmith@spymac.com
> _______________________________________________
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From maccelerate at earthlink.net  Sun Aug  5 10:36:04 2007
From: maccelerate at earthlink.net (Matthew W.)
Date: Sun Aug  5 10:36:49 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] UserGroup Review and Info
In-Reply-To: <94031B24-547A-4829-8AB4-1E4ED9C1D1BD@qwest.net>
References: <p062408a8c2d01c0aaecf@[192.168.0.4]>
	<94031B24-547A-4829-8AB4-1E4ED9C1D1BD@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <25AF4F9D-4AD2-467D-BF5C-1956D9D73199@earthlink.net>

Any AC adapter that fits into the power socket will work. Any  
Titanium or Aluminum PowerBook AC adapter will also work with any  
white iBook or newer. Once you get to the Intel Macs, the adapter  
changes, but all the way backwards--until you hit the black Pismo-- 
they are compatible.

Mw

On Aug 4, 2007, at 9:38 PM, William Schoenenberger wrote:

> I am looking for a power supply for an ibook (chicklet/white  
> style). My daughter's ibook no longer gets the nice yellow or green  
> light (i.e. it does not charge from the power supply). A little  
> jiggling when it happened a week ago get it going, Ideally, would  
> like to just borrow one to test it. Of course if it is the problem  
> then will need to purchase one.
>
> Don't have one compatible with the iBook to test to see if it is  
> the power supply.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> William Schoenenberger
> Des Moines, IA
> wjschoenenberger@qwest.net
>
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> DMMUG@dmmug.org
> Use this page to modify subscription options:
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug

From cwsmith7 at gmail.com  Sun Aug  5 11:57:40 2007
From: cwsmith7 at gmail.com (CW Smith)
Date: Sun Aug  5 11:58:24 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] UserGroup Review and Info
In-Reply-To: <F80337D2-4B19-45BD-BF94-E338483C5DF1@qwest.net>
References: <p062408a8c2d01c0aaecf@192.168.0.4>
	<94031B24-547A-4829-8AB4-1E4ED9C1D1BD@qwest.net>
	<a82e75f90708042102i1dde0f56g311395d3f34c5ed6@mail.gmail.com>
	<F80337D2-4B19-45BD-BF94-E338483C5DF1@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <a82e75f90708050957j42d2c0fo56ffcb50977d8f9c@mail.gmail.com>

Bill:

I'll do a 5-minute test at no charge. I can't, in good conscience, charge
$100 an hour to plug your PSU into my iBook (to test the PSU), then my PSU
into your iBook (to test the DC board). Yes, Jim, I'm aware that "DC board"
is the proper name for the part; I was just trying to keep to layman's terms
for now.


Again, I do stock the PSU if that's the culprit. Haddock charges Apple's
retail price of $79.


As far as the cost of the DC board, I'll have to look it up in Apple's
database, and for that I'll need the serial number on your iBook. Labor to
install the DC board would be our minimum one-hour bench fee at $100. We'll
take that step if it's necessary, after we've checked things out.


I can't guarantee that I have the DC board in stock for your exact model. I
do know I have a couple of iBook DC boards in the stock room, but off the
top of my head I can't say which models they go to, as there were several
variations. Worst case, if we do have to order in from Apple, they've been
pretty good lately about getting parts to us next-day.


Peace,
CW

On 8/5/07, William Schoenenberger < wjschoenenberger@qwest.net> wrote:
>
> CW
>
> Testing "low cost"?  :-)
>
>
> I will my daughter bring it in.
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> What is the going price on the charging board?
>
>
>
>
> bill
>  William Schoenenberger
> Des Moines, IA
> wjschoenenberger@qwest.net
>
>
> On Aug 4, 2007, at 11:02 PM, CW Smith wrote:
>
> Bill, just bring the iBook and its power supply into Haddock on Monday and
> I'll test them for you. If you need a new power supply, we've got
> replacements in stock. If it turns out to be the charging board, I might
> have that in stock too.
>
> Peace,
> CW
>
> On 8/4/07, William Schoenenberger < wjschoenenberger@qwest.net> wrote:
> >
> > I am looking for a power supply for an ibook (chicklet/white style). My
> > daughter's ibook no longer gets the nice yellow or green light ( i.e. it
> > does not charge from the power supply). A little jiggling when it happened a
> > week ago get it going, Ideally, would like to just borrow one to test it. Of
> > course if it is the problem then will need to purchase one.
> >
> > Don't have one compatible with the iBook to test to see if it is the
> > power supply.
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  William Schoenenberger
> > Des Moines, IA
> > wjschoenenberger@qwest.net
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > DMMUG mailing list
> > Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> > DMMUG@dmmug.org
> > Use this page to modify subscription options:
> > http://cialug.org/mailman <http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug>
> > /listinfo/dmmug <http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug>
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Curt (CW) Smith
> Musician, Composer, Producer, Technician
>
> Personal: cwsmith7@gmail.com
> Technical: cw@gohaddock.com
> Musical: cwsmith@spymac.com
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
>
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>



-- 
Curt (CW) Smith
Musician, Composer, Producer, Technician

Personal: cwsmith7@gmail.com
Technical: cw@gohaddock.com
Musical: cwsmith@spymac.com
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From vlh at herringlaw.com  Mon Aug  6 19:05:38 2007
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Mon Aug  6 19:08:35 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] UserGroup Review and Info - not at all!
In-Reply-To: <a82e75f90708050957j42d2c0fo56ffcb50977d8f9c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <p062408a8c2d01c0aaecf@192.168.0.4>
	<94031B24-547A-4829-8AB4-1E4ED9C1D1BD@qwest.net>
	<a82e75f90708042102i1dde0f56g311395d3f34c5ed6@mail.gmail.com>
	<F80337D2-4B19-45BD-BF94-E338483C5DF1@qwest.net>
	<a82e75f90708050957j42d2c0fo56ffcb50977d8f9c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06240827c2dd677a665c@[192.168.0.4]>

Would those posting here please put correct subject lines in their 
messages == I just dealt with 6 messages on the above subject that 
had nothing to do with it....so, (1) change the subject line and (2) 
trim your messages [esp for people using digests and iPhones and 
whatever to read messages]
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From kisnerj at dwx.com  Mon Aug  6 19:27:05 2007
From: kisnerj at dwx.com (John Kisner)
Date: Mon Aug  6 19:27:35 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] UserGroup Review and Info - not at all!
In-Reply-To: <p06240827c2dd677a665c@[192.168.0.4]>
References: <p062408a8c2d01c0aaecf@192.168.0.4><94031B24-547A-4829-8AB4-1E4ED9C1D1BD@qwest.net><a82e75f90708042102i1dde0f56g31139
	5d3f34c5ed6@mail.gmail.com><F80337D2-4B19-45BD-BF94-E338483C5DF1@qwest.net><a82e75f90708050957j42d2c0fo56ffcb50977d8f9c@mail.gm
	ail.com> <p06240827c2dd677a665c@[192.168.0.4]>
Message-ID: <C020B454-BB79-42D1-844A-45EEED68C243@dwx.com>

None of us are daft enough to have bought  $500 phone, are we?

On Aug 6, 2007, at 7:05 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> Would those posting here please put correct subject lines in their  
> messages == I just dealt with 6 messages on the above subject that  
> had nothing to do with it....so, (1) change the subject line and  
> (2) trim your messages [esp for people using digests and iPhones  
> and whatever to read messages]
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights,  
> Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph.  
> 515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
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From jonsharyl at prairieinet.net  Mon Aug  6 20:06:11 2007
From: jonsharyl at prairieinet.net (Jon Engelhardt)
Date: Mon Aug  6 20:06:39 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] UserGroup Review and Info - not at all!
In-Reply-To: <C020B454-BB79-42D1-844A-45EEED68C243@dwx.com>
References: <p062408a8c2d01c0aaecf@192.168.0.4><94031B24-547A-4829-8AB4-1E4ED9C1D1BD@qwest.net><a82e75f90708042102i1dde0f56g31139
	5d3f34c5ed6@mail.gmail.com><F80337D2-4B19-45BD-BF94-E338483C5DF1@qwest.net><a82e75f90708050957j42d2c0fo56ffcb50977d8f9c@mail.gm
	ail.com> <p06240827c2dd677a665c@[192.168.0.4]>
	<C020B454-BB79-42D1-844A-45EEED68C243@dwx.com>
Message-ID: <EB45A894-2286-44AD-9DD8-24F4878AA74B@prairieinet.net>

$500 phone....... sounds like a government program at it's worst.
On Aug 6, 2007, at 7:27 PM, John Kisner wrote:

> None of us are daft enough to have bought  $500 phone, are we?
>
> On Aug 6, 2007, at 7:05 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
>
>> Would those posting here please put correct subject lines in their  
>> messages == I just dealt with 6 messages on the above subject that  
>> had nothing to do with it....so, (1) change the subject line and  
>> (2) trim your messages [esp for people using digests and iPhones  
>> and whatever to read messages]
>> -- 
>> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights,  
>> Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph.  
>> 515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:   
>> vlherring.
>> _______________________________________________
>> DMMUG mailing list
>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>> DMMUG@dmmug.org
>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> DMMUG@dmmug.org
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From vlh at herringlaw.com  Mon Aug  6 20:40:36 2007
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Mon Aug  6 20:44:49 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Nettiquette - from another list
Message-ID: <p0624080bc2dd7de7c8dc@[10.0.1.2]>

>The Board has urged everyone to ruthlessly edit material from a
>quoted messages **before** hitting the send button.
>
>This is particularly important in light of the fact that more and
>more people are using PDAs, iPhones, cell phones, and the like, to
>retrieve email. Those who are using such devices, with their small
>screens, will greatly appreciate it if each of us take the time to
>strip out *all* unnecessary material from prior messages that we are
>quoting, including sig blocks and Yahoo-inserted trailers.
>
><<http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html>http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html> 
>is a good reference
>with regard to the netiquette of quoting prior messages when sending
>emails.

-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research, 
planning & Photography site and blog, 
<http://www.JourneyZing.com/blog>;  Des Moines, Iowa, ph.515-255-4475.
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From billd at ecity.net  Mon Aug  6 20:48:20 2007
From: billd at ecity.net (Bill Davis)
Date: Mon Aug  6 20:48:54 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] UserGroup Review and Info - not at all!
In-Reply-To: <C020B454-BB79-42D1-844A-45EEED68C243@dwx.com>
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	<C020B454-BB79-42D1-844A-45EEED68C243@dwx.com>
Message-ID: <E690E91F-CF55-4E3E-80A7-54D72A0BC5D0@ecity.net>

Oooh, jealous, are we?  ;-)

  - Bill


On Aug 6, 2007, at 7:27 PM, John Kisner wrote:

> None of us are daft enough to have bought  $500 phone, are we?
>
> On Aug 6, 2007, at 7:05 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
>
>> Would those posting here please put correct subject lines in their  
>> messages == I just dealt with 6 messages on the above subject that  
>> had nothing to do with it....so, (1) change the subject line and  
>> (2) trim your messages [esp for people using digests and iPhones  
>> and whatever to read messages]



From vlh at herringlaw.com  Mon Aug  6 21:51:18 2007
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Mon Aug  6 21:54:00 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] daft enough
In-Reply-To: <C020B454-BB79-42D1-844A-45EEED68C243@dwx.com>
References: <p062408a8c2d01c0aaecf@192.168.0.4><94031B24-547A-4829-8AB4-1E4ED9C1D1BD@q
	west.net><a82e75f90708042102i1dde0f56g31139
	5d3f34c5ed6@mail.gmail.com><F80337D2-4B19-45BD-BF94-E338483C5DF1@qwest.net
	><a82e75f90708050957j42d2c0fo56ffcb50977d8f9c@mail.gm	ail.com>
	<p06240827c2dd677a665c@[192.168.0.4]>
	<C020B454-BB79-42D1-844A-45EEED68C243@dwx.com>
Message-ID: <p06240801c2dd8e7d8b40@[192.168.0.4]>

I did and it's great...I've been blogging about it at the HL site 
[link below] and need to put up more having spent 5 days with it in 
NYCity
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From vlh at herringlaw.com  Tue Aug  7 08:22:59 2007
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue Aug  7 08:38:30 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] MUG Info Manager, fyi
Message-ID: <p06240807c2de227238e7@[192.168.0.4]>

As a result of being President/Ambassador for DMMUG, I'm on a variety 
of mailing lists that may be of interest and help to Mac users and 
will post what I can from time to time.



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515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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From billd at ecity.net  Tue Aug  7 13:47:13 2007
From: billd at ecity.net (Bill Davis)
Date: Tue Aug  7 13:48:08 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] daft enough
In-Reply-To: <p06240801c2dd8e7d8b40@[192.168.0.4]>
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I got one too.  My iPhone has been very handy for 'Net access for  
Web, Mail, Google Maps, and Weather, etc (my RAZR sucked at all of  
these and the Palm isn't much better) and it's truly the best iPod  
ever (except for the fact that it's only 8GB; I want an iPhone with a  
100GB hard disk!!!)

It's not without warts though; the calendar app is disappointing and  
can't replace my Palm PDA's yet.  Notes don't sync to anything on the  
Mac (I'm told this is coming in Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard's Mail.app) and  
a few other quibbles.  Software is limited but the hackers have  
already figured out how to write their own apps, and not just web  
based ones either so it's only a matter of time before anything you  
want appears and Apple has to give in and provided an official SDK  
(Software Development Kit) instead of just saying "write Web 2.0 Apps".

Also:  The hardware is beautiful but is far too fragile.  You MUST  
Invest in a rubberized case that fits around the unit and protects  
the screen.  DO NOT USE IT WITHOUT A PROTECTIVE CASE!  The glass face/ 
digitizer over the LCD *will* shatter if you drop it on concrete and  
the chrome will scratch.   I'd lay you odds Apple gets sued over this  
one, and they deserve to, too.  Mobile devices need to survive a six- 
foot drop test onto rocks unscathed, IMHO .  I dropped my iPhone and  
shattered the screen and it cost $270 to repair, less than a month  
after buying it.  I was not amused (but the support experience was  
excellent, I must say....I just wish I didn't have to experience it.)

Comparing this to all my (three) previous cell phones (a Motorola  
MicroTAC, Motorola StarTAC and a Motorola RAZR V3) it fails dismally.  
I never used ANY sort of case on ANY of those, dropped them all, even  
onto concrete, and never had more than minor scuffing that didn't  
affect the unit at all and was barely noticeable.

Heck, I even tripped and FELL on my RAZR (which was in a belt clip  
with the small exterior glass screen facing outwards).  I fell into a  
bed of river rock.  The results?  A few scuffs that wiped off.  NO  
other damage despite having a 250 lb guy fall on it.  If I did that  
to to the iPhone it might survive but I guarantee the glass screen  
cover would be shattered.  When I dropped my iPhone there was NO  
other damage beyond the glass cover spiderwebbing and a scuff on the  
chrome from the concrete.  But the glass screen was a BIG mistake.   
And an unnecessary one; Apple changed it from plastic to glass  
shortly before release, with a big press release trumpeting how it  
would prevent scratches.  Well, maybe so; several reviewers kept it  
in their pocket with their keys for weeks and got not  
scratches....but apparently no one tried dropping it onto a hard/ 
rough surface.

So my rating of the iPhone:  Software:  8 out of 10.  Hardware:  2  
out of 10.

The software is improving (they've already released a bug/feature  
updated that addressed a few of the software limitations I didn't  
like!).  The hardware however needs a LOT of work before iPhone 2.0.

  - Bill Davis


On Aug 6, 2007, at 9:51 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> I did and it's great...I've been blogging about it at the HL site  
> [link below] and need to put up more having spent 5 days with it in  
> NYCity
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights,  
> Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph.  
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From ka_klick at mac.com  Tue Aug  7 16:04:20 2007
From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker)
Date: Tue Aug  7 16:05:32 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] New iMacs, iLife, iWork and refreshed mini
Message-ID: <28A56E35-4EC3-42AC-B02D-49A944A4BC61@mac.com>

Since no one else has mentioned, Apple has opened up the wallet  
extraction gravitational pull beam again:

New iMacs starting @ 20" in Aluminum and refreshed, w/ new kb styling.
New i-Apps all around including ground-up rebuild of iMovie and a new  
spreadsheet added to iWork.

I'll probably pony up for the new i-apps within the week, the new  
iMacs look to have pretty good price points and now include Firewire  
800 & gig ethernet - AND a real video out (not mirrored only). I may  
think about the low end of these for doing mixed reality shows,  
instead of a laptop.

--
Bryan "ka-klick" Baker
Singer/Songwriter
With 2 New CDs!!! See my website for details
kaklick_martin@mac.com
http://ka-klick.com


From kisnerj at dwx.com  Tue Aug  7 17:17:13 2007
From: kisnerj at dwx.com (John Kisner)
Date: Tue Aug  7 17:17:44 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] New iMacs, iLife, iWork and refreshed mini
In-Reply-To: <28A56E35-4EC3-42AC-B02D-49A944A4BC61@mac.com>
References: <28A56E35-4EC3-42AC-B02D-49A944A4BC61@mac.com>
Message-ID: <363018C1-34A6-41BF-B5A0-6AA847C45567@dwx.com>

Thank you for the head's up.  Looks like we have a logical topic for  
our next meeting!

I am really looking forward to seeing the iWork upgrade.  When a  
daughter made a brochure for school, she complained that some clunky  
Windows program they used in class allowed her to do cooler layouts,  
and I see one of the enhancements being touted might address this.   
I'll also be intrigued by how Apple integrates Numbers with the other  
two elements of the suite.

This took me by surprise, since most of the chatter on-line seemed to  
have assumed that the new versions of iWork and iLife would not be  
out before the new OS.

John
From darcybaston at mac.com  Tue Aug  7 21:25:06 2007
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Tue Aug  7 21:25:32 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] early iPhoto 08 impressions
Message-ID: <5C833B41-7B66-4051-9D79-65D19C131D3D@mac.com>

Since "Events" are created automatically, and they REPLACE Film  
Rolls, you're left with many date named events (the default for  
"Untitled" rolls, I mean Events) from when you may have imported one  
photo your mother sent ya of a craft she made. I never got in the  
habit of naming these single photo Film rolls, I mean Events, (iPhoto  
07 creates a film roll per import incident.) So now I have  hundreds  
of 1 photo events that destroy the whole concept of browsing events.

To me, Events are just Film Rolls with album covers, and a left side  
library selection called Events to switch to Rolls-With-Album-Covers  
view.

You can't delete an event without deleting the photos within them  
(ie: get moved to the iPhoto trash), just like film rolls.

So I've had to create an event called "Unsorted", put all the  
floaters in there, and have begun splitting off patterns of pictures.  
After a couple hours of command clicking events to open then all  
simultaneously to allow drag n dropping between them, I now have a  
"Mom made a craft" roll/event.

It's much easier just using albums, unless you only ever import 30+  
pictures from a digital camera any time you import.

The web gallery publishing feature is supposed to allow multiple  
login accounts. It does, but it only allows one login account per web  
gallery. So, you can't let's say create a l:momdad/p:aloha and  
l:mybrother/p:aloha2 login system for a gallery. Instead you have to  
make a l:myfamily/p:password account for a particular gallery. You  
can re-use that account for other galleries.

My first web gallery, 400 photos or so uploaded in about 12 minutes,  
which was nice. At the top of the gallery when viewed in iPhoto, is  
its url. When you click on the url, safari opens and points you to an  
error page that the gallery doesn't exist. :) iDisk shows that the  
gallery was made in /Web/Sites/_gallery/##### , which creates the  
supposed url http://gallery.mac.com/mydotmacusername/##### , but all  
I get is an error page saying, "We're sorry but we can't find the  
Homepage you've requested. It's possible that..." etc.

You can create new keywords on the fly by first enabling View- 
 >Keywords, and then clicking below photos to get a text edit box  
that creates keywords based on words you separate by Enter key  
presses (meaning you can have spaces and write things like, "cool  
dudes".

There's a new adjustment tool called "Straighten" which lets you do  
in-matte rotations, and it auto-crops using an algorithmically  
powered grid. Very interesting. I need to get used to this. It has  
some intelligence.

Image adjustments can only be done in full screen view now. You can  
no longer click twice on an image to adjust it. That just zooms it as  
large as the right pane happens to be sized.

When you've done that, clicked twice to enlarge a photo, you can't  
resize the iPhoto app's window using the bottom right corner drag  
gadget without waiting for  iPhoto to unzoom the photo. So you end up  
clicking twice. *GUI annoyance*

Similarly, if you've zoomed in on a photo by clicking twice on it,  
clicking on the 'full screen' button doesn't go to full screen the  
first time you click it. The first click causes the zoomed photo to  
shrink, and then you can click it again to go full screen. *GUI  
annoyance*

You also can't use the resize slider when you've clicked twice on an  
image. Clicking once on the slider unzooms the picture, and then you  
can use to resize thumbnails in Library view. *GUI annoyance*

They really need to grey stuff out.

OH WAIT, if you click twice to zoom, you can then click the Pencil  
icon in the lower left to get to edit view without going full screen.  
Ok, I take that all back. I also just found in iPhoto->Preferences  
the option to make double clicking go to edit mode automatically.  
Phew! Saved!

When you command click or shift click a bunch of photos in the  
library, they highlight with a yellow border. While in that state, if  
you click in the Information panel to do a group edit on attributes,  
the yellow highlight turns a grey color. I wasn't expecting this and  
thought I had accidentally done something related to how images are  
displayed, with a raised edge or something. They look like picture  
frames when they turn grey like that. :)

There's a new keyword derivative called "Flag", and at first I  
thought that would let me flag photos, and then switch to a "show  
flagged only" view, but nope. So far all flagging does is enables the  
menu item "Create event from flagged". Flagging photos uses the  
Command + period sequence, so let go of the old habit of halting an  
app's current operation with it.

Oh, if you switch to Events view while some photos are flagged, and  
highlight an Event, an extra menu is enabled called "Add flagged  
photos to selected event".

When in Events view, and you can see the thumbnails for your events,  
if you do left to right mouse hover movement on top of an event, the  
event cover image cycles through the images contained inside. This is  
a neat way to preview what's in there.

If you give two Events the same name, they don't merge. They remain  
distinct. I was hoping they would, so now I have a bunch of Events  
all named JPZK (Jason, Paula, Zack, Katelyn) for my brother's new  
family. I'll have to sort alphabetically and merge manually. This  
happened because of the hundreds of one or two attachment emails I've  
received from them throughout 2007. It's hard to figure out an event  
name when it's just different days of the same "sitting on a couch"  
posing y'know? So I've just been tossing them into an album called  
JPZK. Now it's litter in the event view and I have to manage them a  
second time to keep that view useful.

So right now I'm not feeling a "wow" sensation. It's more of a, "and  
this helps how exactly?" I mean, iPhoto has that nifty "set Desktop"  
button, which led me from the beginning to managing hundreds of  
desktop background images within iPhoto. What shall I call an event  
where I found two Full Metal Alchemist backgrounds, and one  
illuminated Apple on the same day? Do I leave it vaguely named as  
"August 7, 2007"?

I now have an event called "I imported wallpaper".

Darcy
From darcybaston at mac.com  Tue Aug  7 21:25:54 2007
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Tue Aug  7 21:26:18 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] flagged photos addedum
Message-ID: <8A3178A0-8440-4FCA-AD86-E4D70E4C9337@mac.com>

When photos are flagged, you can click on the "Flagged" library item  
on the left to view them alone. The ability is there after all.  
Apologies.

Darcy
From vlh at herringlaw.com  Tue Aug  7 21:29:24 2007
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue Aug  7 21:30:45 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] early iPhoto 08 impressions
In-Reply-To: <5C833B41-7B66-4051-9D79-65D19C131D3D@mac.com>
References: <5C833B41-7B66-4051-9D79-65D19C131D3D@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p0624082ec2dedaccd417@[192.168.0.4]>

Your review is a big help...I think that all these updates and 
upgrades are not going to be earthshattering but just to keep the 
ball moving forward.  Everyone's waiting for Leopard...this keeps 
some juice flowing.  Again, thanks for the info on iPhoto = I'm 
looking at an iWork upgrade, myself.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From darcybaston at mac.com  Tue Aug  7 21:37:55 2007
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Tue Aug  7 21:38:19 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] early Numbers (from iWork) impressions
Message-ID: <17160E12-A8DF-4672-ABD5-2B0C4DBD1550@mac.com>

WOW.....

Excel importing of date, currency, and SUM() formulas work fine. (I  
haven't thrown anything complex at it though.)

The row add/delete feature just by resizing the table object works  
great.

Charts are gorgeous.

In genius Apple form, instead of forcing you to right click on a  
column header to get to the add/delete features like it is in Excel,  
they make it a single (or left depending on your mouse) click to a  
little triangle arrow near the right edge of the column.

This app just feels right.

Darcy
From jonsharyl at prairieinet.net  Tue Aug  7 21:50:38 2007
From: jonsharyl at prairieinet.net (Jon Engelhardt)
Date: Tue Aug  7 21:51:04 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] New iMacs, iLife, iWork and refreshed mini
In-Reply-To: <28A56E35-4EC3-42AC-B02D-49A944A4BC61@mac.com>
References: <28A56E35-4EC3-42AC-B02D-49A944A4BC61@mac.com>
Message-ID: <407AB7E9-E506-4F03-A849-4E2C2F5C3FDB@prairieinet.net>

With Leopard being released in Oct. I'm thinking I might wait for the  
new iMac.  My current iMac is now 7 years old and still runs like a  
champ but I am ready for a bigger screen, I think that my age  
dictates that need!
Jon
On Aug 7, 2007, at 4:04 PM, Bryan Baker wrote:

> Since no one else has mentioned, Apple has opened up the wallet  
> extraction gravitational pull beam again:
>
> New iMacs starting @ 20" in Aluminum and refreshed, w/ new kb styling.
> New i-Apps all around including ground-up rebuild of iMovie and a  
> new spreadsheet added to iWork.
>
> I'll probably pony up for the new i-apps within the week, the new  
> iMacs look to have pretty good price points and now include  
> Firewire 800 & gig ethernet - AND a real video out (not mirrored  
> only). I may think about the low end of these for doing mixed  
> reality shows, instead of a laptop.
>
> --
> Bryan "ka-klick" Baker
> Singer/Songwriter
> With 2 New CDs!!! See my website for details
> kaklick_martin@mac.com
> http://ka-klick.com
>
>
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From maccelerate at earthlink.net  Tue Aug  7 22:21:35 2007
From: maccelerate at earthlink.net (Matthew W.)
Date: Tue Aug  7 22:22:02 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] daft enough
In-Reply-To: <98B3B7E7-1D37-4BEA-8517-F68A1412E759@ecity.net>
References: <p062408a8c2d01c0aaecf@192.168.0.4><94031B24-547A-4829-8AB4-1E4ED9C1D1BD@q
	west.net><a82e75f90708042102i1dde0f56g31139
	5d3f34c5ed6@mail.gmail.com><F80337D2-4B19-45BD-BF94-E338483C5DF1@qwest.net
	><a82e75f90708050957j42d2c0fo56ffcb50977d8f9c@mail.gm	ail.com>
	<p06240827c2dd677a665c@[192.168.0.4]>
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	<p06240801c2dd8e7d8b40@[192.168.0.4]>
	<98B3B7E7-1D37-4BEA-8517-F68A1412E759@ecity.net>
Message-ID: <8950CE27-B87A-429F-A24C-4372BD69D3E5@earthlink.net>

Well, I cannot say my Treos have survived unscathed when I've dropped  
them (multiple times) They do look like h3ll, but they didn't stop  
working.

It is a little bit more than a phone and you really can't blame Apple  
because it broke when it was dropped.

Mw

On Aug 7, 2007, at 1:47 PM, Bill Davis wrote:

> Mobile devices need to survive a six-foot drop test onto rocks  
> unscathed, IMHO

From darcybaston at mac.com  Tue Aug  7 22:32:42 2007
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Tue Aug  7 22:33:06 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] second publish attempt worked in iPhoto - iMovie,
	not so much
Message-ID: <DA29EF26-4D4B-4991-B1D7-9FC2C180BC15@mac.com>

My second attempt at publishing a gallery from iPhoto worked. What  
seemed to be missing was a meta tag of some kind during the first  
attempt, or a server side reaction to translate the iPhoto provided url:

http://gallery.mac.com/myusername/123456

into

http://gallery.mac.com/myusername#123456

The last slash is converted to a # character automatically by .Mac  
when trying to load gallery content from a url provided by an iLife app.


I published a movie from iMovie and it went up great the first time.  
But when I edited the movie and clicked on the menu item "Republish"  
to replace the previous edit (I assume), it created a second movie  
item in my Gallery's root browsing point for it, and left the  
previous one as a distinct separate entry featuring a broken image  
indicator, and a messed up url like  http://gallery.mac.com/ 
myusername#http://gallery.mac.com/myusername#123456 .

So I went back to iMovie and chose Share->Remove from .Mac, to remove  
that project from the gallery. Instead, it turned the previously  
functional movie link into a twin of it's other messed up sibling.

I'm going to figure out how to redo the gallery from scratch now  
using iDisk.

(5 min later)

I couldn't find the gallery page nor the movie content anywhere in my  
iDisk. So I told iMovie to publish the movie as if it was the first  
time, and it discareded the broken orphans and set things right with  
on single properly created movie link.

Seems a little buggy. :)

Darcy
From billd at ecity.net  Wed Aug  8 14:28:12 2007
From: billd at ecity.net (Bill Davis)
Date: Wed Aug  8 14:28:50 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] daft enough
In-Reply-To: <8950CE27-B87A-429F-A24C-4372BD69D3E5@earthlink.net>
References: <p062408a8c2d01c0aaecf@192.168.0.4><94031B24-547A-4829-8AB4-1E4ED9C1D1BD@q
	west.net><a82e75f90708042102i1dde0f56g31139
	5d3f34c5ed6@mail.gmail.com><F80337D2-4B19-45BD-BF94-E338483C5DF1@qwest.net
	><a82e75f90708050957j42d2c0fo56ffcb50977d8f9c@mail.gm	ail.com>
	<p06240827c2dd677a665c@[192.168.0.4]>
	<C020B454-BB79-42D1-844A-45EEED68C243@dwx.com>
	<p06240801c2dd8e7d8b40@[192.168.0.4]>
	<98B3B7E7-1D37-4BEA-8517-F68A1412E759@ecity.net>
	<8950CE27-B87A-429F-A24C-4372BD69D3E5@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <5770FD1C-9BE5-42CC-B731-FB191D2F5EF2@ecity.net>

On Aug 7, 2007, at 10:21 PM, Matthew W. wrote:

> Well, I cannot say my Treos have survived unscathed when I've  
> dropped them (multiple times) They do look like h3ll, but they  
> didn't stop working.
>

Neither did the iPhone stop working....but the broken glass cover/ 
touch screen made it unsafe to use (can you say glass fragments in  
your cheek?)  Yet they did a TOTAL replacement of the phone instead  
of just fixing the damaged glass cover and chrome at a cost of $270.  
That's far too much money and shouldn't have been necessary if they  
had not used glass.  The LCD under the glass was fine.  The phone  
worked, the camera worked, it charged, it synched, heck the  
touchscreen even kept working... all was fine except the broken glass  
cover they added at the last minute and a bit of scuffing on the chrome.

I'm not surprised the Treos didn't survive unscathed; they've always  
seemed a bit fragile to me too, most notably all those little  
keyboard buttons.  Tailor-made to pop off when you drop it! That was  
one reason I never bought one (the other was I wanted a larger screen  
such as the TX and LifeDrive have for ebooks and spreadsheets and such.)

If they made a TX or LifeDrive that was a phone, I'd buy it in a  
heartbeat.  Or would have, anyway.  Instead, Palm has consistently  
fumbled the ball over and over and over and the company is at death's  
door....except for the Treo and even that's getting long in the  
tooth.  I'm hoping the iPhone will eventually be a  
replacement....once the hackers get going and create the development  
tools that Apple hasn't provided. They're well on their way already!


> It is a little bit more than a phone

So is the Treo, though.


> and you really can't blame Apple because it broke when it was dropped.


Oh, I disagree totally.  I most certainly CAN and DO blame Apple.  If  
it happens again I will NOT be paying for a replacement; they'll  
replace it free or I will raise a big-time stink with BBB and anyone  
else I can think of.  Maybe State of Iowa/Attorney General under the  
"Lemon Law" or something like that, too.

Mobile devices need to be sturdier than the iPhone is, ESPECIALLY  
cell phones: witness my other three phones that have been fallen on  
and dropped a lot and had no problems over the last decade plus...  
yet the iPhone breaks in less than a month.   A case should NOT be  
necessary. It never was for ANY of my cell phones; all I ever used  
was a belt clip holster to attach it to my belt, the whole holster  
remained on my belt when I removed the phone for use.

Apple did not design the iPhone hardware with mobility in mind, they  
designed it "pretty".  They should be held accountable.  I've dropped  
my iPods and THEY didn't break in similar situations.  Hell, I've  
even dropped my PowerBook G4 from higher than I did the iPhone and  
while the metal on one corner "tore", the HUGE glass screen did NOT   
break and the unit remained (remains) functional over a year later.

The iPhone is quite simply too fragile and this is unacceptable.    
Wait and see: someone out there WILL file a class action suits  
because of this fragility.  I've already heard complaints about it  
online.

Make no mistake, except for this fragility and a few small software  
limitations I REALLY like my iPhone.  MUCH more than I liked my RAZR  
(and I liked it quite a bit).  Some of the software limitations have  
ALREADY been improved by Apple, which is a good sign for the future.

But when Apple makes a mistake (the glass screen cover) they need to  
be called on it and word needs to be spread so customers can take  
steps to deal with it.   I'd recommend the iPhone to anyone over any  
other phone...but warn them about the fragility compared to other  
phones.

  - Bill



From vlh at herringlaw.com  Wed Aug  8 14:49:20 2007
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Wed Aug  8 16:03:47 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Adding Radio Streams to iTunes
Message-ID: <p0624086cc2dfce9af91e@[192.168.0.4]>

This won't help with WOI of course, unfortunately, but for others, 
this seems helpful.

>Victoria L. Herring has sent you a story from  http://www.macworld.com/
>
>How to add a radio stream to iTunes
>
>You may read this story online at:
>http://www.macworld.com/weblogs/mac911/2006/02/itunesstreams/index.php


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From darcybaston at mac.com  Thu Aug  9 11:12:05 2007
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Thu Aug  9 11:12:29 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] list of Macs and their shipped / compatible OSs since 1998
Message-ID: <8C76D446-0114-1000-9552-D863A2A02A3D-Webmail-10006@mac.com>

Useful:

PPC
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=25517

Intel
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=303315
From jack at jackmathews.com  Sat Aug 11 12:50:42 2007
From: jack at jackmathews.com (Jack Mathews)
Date: Sat Aug 11 12:51:06 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] iPhone for sale
Message-ID: <60FA1BB0-6154-44AA-BCFD-B881FFCA8EA0@jackmathews.com>

Recently a friend got caught up in the excitement of the launch of  
the iPhone and has decided he doesn't need it, he lives in Grinnell,  
works for Grinnell College and has a free provider connection with US  
Cellular on a razor. The iPhone is 8g probably no more than an hour  
and a half of usage, complete in the original box, it is now  
disconnected and is available for $400. Contact Jack Mathews with  
reply email or call 515.537.7946 and I will connect you with the seller.

Jack Mathews
From darcybaston at mac.com  Sun Aug 12 12:38:28 2007
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Sun Aug 12 12:39:05 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] iphoto '08 won't open Export dialog
Message-ID: <ABADA202-FD0C-4CB7-97E0-C3418E55A924@mac.com>

Anyone else using the new iPhoto '08 having difficulties getting the  
Export window to open? I've clicked on it in the menu or hotkeyed it,  
and it won't open. I've made sure to have some images selected first,  
and nothing.

I've tried deleting prefs, and that didn't fix it.

Is there Anything else I can 'reset' to try to get it to open? I'll  
try a new login environment and see what that does.

Thanks in advance.
Darcy
From darcybaston at mac.com  Sun Aug 12 13:01:48 2007
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Sun Aug 12 13:02:22 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] iPhoto 08 export dialog problem (continued)
Message-ID: <7B6AEDAE-3F42-4687-B25D-95B624A94F00@mac.com>

I created a new login account, and when I use iPhoto in it, it also  
won't open the Export dialog after images are highlighted.

Other odd behaviors related to it:
-If I use the Export menu item once, and after nothing happens, I can  
quit iPhoto no problem.

-I I try to access the Export menu twice, iPhoto won't quit.

-Once hung, trying to bring iPhoto to the front caused the Safari  
menu to display, even though I didn't have Safari running. The other  
user account had it running though, so it was really odd to have  
another user's launched app menu be displayed. So I switched to the  
other account and quit Safari and then switched back. The account  
then showed the Apple Mail menu despite it not running on that  
account either. The other account had it running though. Repeatable...

-When in this 'hung' mode from having accessed the menu twice,  
Activity Monitor doesn't show that iPhoto is trying to do anything.  
iPhoto sits at its usual 0.30%.

Console messages:

When I launch iPhoto, it says this:
===== Sunday, August 12, 2007 12:59:10 PM US/Central =====
2007-08-12 12:59:11.929 iPhoto[5323] *** -[NSBundle load]: Error  
loading code /Users/db/Library/InputManagers/Smart Crash Reports/ 
Smart Crash Reports.bundle/Contents/MacOS/Smart Crash Reports for  
bundle /Users/db/Library/InputManagers/Smart Crash Reports/Smart  
Crash Reports.bundle, error code 2 (link edit error code 0, error  
number 0 ())

And when I try to export images, it repeats this line the same number  
of times that I have images selected:
2007-08-12 12:59:21.765 iPhoto[5323] *** -[FBExport  
handlesMovieFiles]: selector not recognized [self = 0x1af94ca0]

I had ordinary photos selected, no movies.

Darcy
From vlh at herringlaw.com  Sun Aug 12 13:39:20 2007
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sun Aug 12 13:39:53 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] iPhoto 08 export dialog problem (continued)
In-Reply-To: <7B6AEDAE-3F42-4687-B25D-95B624A94F00@mac.com>
References: <7B6AEDAE-3F42-4687-B25D-95B624A94F00@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p06240807c2e5042ee946@[192.168.0.4]>

my suggestion would be to go to Apple.com and discussions area and 
ask there == the fact is, there are many more people on that site 
than on DMMUG and the critical mass may not yet be here to answer 
your Q == I usually start there.
-- 
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Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From myztikjenz at gmail.com  Sun Aug 12 14:24:14 2007
From: myztikjenz at gmail.com (Myztik Jenz)
Date: Sun Aug 12 14:24:36 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] iPhoto 08 export dialog problem (continued)
In-Reply-To: <7B6AEDAE-3F42-4687-B25D-95B624A94F00@mac.com>
References: <7B6AEDAE-3F42-4687-B25D-95B624A94F00@mac.com>
Message-ID: <bf8839000708121224p624d629btc71487816c5a03f0@mail.gmail.com>

Darcy,

Smart Crash Reports is an Input Manager by Unsanity and Input Managers
are considered the Root of all Evil by some.  Remove the Smart Crash
Reports plugin, reboot, then try your export again.  If you take this
problem to Apple, that's the very first thing they're going to tell
you to do anyways.

Jim

On 8/12/07, Darcy Baston <darcybaston@mac.com> wrote:
> I created a new login account, and when I use iPhoto in it, it also
> won't open the Export dialog after images are highlighted.
>
> Other odd behaviors related to it:
> -If I use the Export menu item once, and after nothing happens, I can
> quit iPhoto no problem.
>
> -I I try to access the Export menu twice, iPhoto won't quit.
>
> -Once hung, trying to bring iPhoto to the front caused the Safari
> menu to display, even though I didn't have Safari running. The other
> user account had it running though, so it was really odd to have
> another user's launched app menu be displayed. So I switched to the
> other account and quit Safari and then switched back. The account
> then showed the Apple Mail menu despite it not running on that
> account either. The other account had it running though. Repeatable...
>
> -When in this 'hung' mode from having accessed the menu twice,
> Activity Monitor doesn't show that iPhoto is trying to do anything.
> iPhoto sits at its usual 0.30%.
>
> Console messages:
>
> When I launch iPhoto, it says this:
> ===== Sunday, August 12, 2007 12:59:10 PM US/Central =====
> 2007-08-12 12:59:11.929 iPhoto[5323] *** -[NSBundle load]: Error
> loading code /Users/db/Library/InputManagers/Smart Crash Reports/
> Smart Crash Reports.bundle/Contents/MacOS/Smart Crash Reports for
> bundle /Users/db/Library/InputManagers/Smart Crash Reports/Smart
> Crash Reports.bundle, error code 2 (link edit error code 0, error
> number 0 ())
>
> And when I try to export images, it repeats this line the same number
> of times that I have images selected:
> 2007-08-12 12:59:21.765 iPhoto[5323] *** -[FBExport
> handlesMovieFiles]: selector not recognized [self = 0x1af94ca0]
>
> I had ordinary photos selected, no movies.
>
> Darcy
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From wmbrainiac at mac.com  Sun Aug 12 15:44:26 2007
From: wmbrainiac at mac.com (John Eller)
Date: Sun Aug 12 15:44:50 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] iPhoto 08 export dialog problem (continued)
In-Reply-To: <p06240807c2e5042ee946@[192.168.0.4]>
References: <7B6AEDAE-3F42-4687-B25D-95B624A94F00@mac.com>
	<p06240807c2e5042ee946@[192.168.0.4]>
Message-ID: <727550A5-0A65-4040-BBF5-E6ED6B52D773@mac.com>

heard there's an iphoto software update available.
be careful with iweb in the 08 package - it's got all sort of problems
including losing content.

getting the idea that iLife 08 isn't ready for prime time.





On Aug 12, 2007, at 1:39 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

my suggestion would be to go to Apple.com and discussions area and  
ask there == the fact is, there are many more people on that site  
than on DMMUG and the critical mass may not yet be here to answer  
your Q == I usually start there.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights,  
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph.  
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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From hfwelch at mac.com  Sun Aug 12 16:43:33 2007
From: hfwelch at mac.com (Holly Welch)
Date: Sun Aug 12 16:45:02 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] iPhoto 08 export dialog problem (continued)
In-Reply-To: <727550A5-0A65-4040-BBF5-E6ED6B52D773@mac.com>
References: <7B6AEDAE-3F42-4687-B25D-95B624A94F00@mac.com>
	<p06240807c2e5042ee946@[192.168.0.4]>
	<727550A5-0A65-4040-BBF5-E6ED6B52D773@mac.com>
Message-ID: <2F1C2621-76A4-48C0-94EF-80ED2C3F51E8@mac.com>

So glad to have you all  telling us about these issues! I just bought  
'08, and now I think I'll wait before I install it! Keep us posted on  
what is happening!! Thanks Darcy for your commentary, too!
Holly
On Aug 12, 2007, at 3:44 PM, John Eller wrote:

> heard there's an iphoto software update available.
> be careful with iweb in the 08 package - it's got all sort of problems
> including losing content.
>
> getting the idea that iLife 08 isn't ready for prime time.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 12, 2007, at 1:39 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
>
> my suggestion would be to go to Apple.com and discussions area and  
> ask there == the fact is, there are many more people on that site  
> than on DMMUG and the critical mass may not yet be here to answer  
> your Q == I usually start there.
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights,  
> Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph.  
> 515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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From darcybaston at mac.com  Sun Aug 12 20:32:08 2007
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Sun Aug 12 20:32:44 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] iPhoto 08 export dialog problem (continued)
In-Reply-To: <p06240807c2e5042ee946@[192.168.0.4]>
References: <7B6AEDAE-3F42-4687-B25D-95B624A94F00@mac.com>
	<p06240807c2e5042ee946@[192.168.0.4]>
Message-ID: <B2F6AD1B-E0D0-4D92-8AF4-45BFC60AEF7A@mac.com>

Done, thanks Victoria. Good idea.

On Aug 12, 2007, at 1:39 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

my suggestion would be to go to Apple.com and discussions area and  
ask there == the fact is, there are many more people on that site  
than on DMMUG and the critical mass may not yet be here to answer  
your Q == I usually start there.
From darcybaston at mac.com  Sun Aug 12 20:32:52 2007
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Sun Aug 12 20:33:27 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] iPhoto 08 export dialog problem (continued)
In-Reply-To: <bf8839000708121224p624d629btc71487816c5a03f0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7B6AEDAE-3F42-4687-B25D-95B624A94F00@mac.com>
	<bf8839000708121224p624d629btc71487816c5a03f0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00A9770C-0B52-45EE-83BC-3A49366D8DED@mac.com>

I've removed the Input Manager folder. Is that the only location for  
the plugin? Or was there more than just the .bundle file?

Darcy

On Aug 12, 2007, at 2:24 PM, Myztik Jenz wrote:

Darcy,

Smart Crash Reports is an Input Manager by Unsanity and Input Managers
are considered the Root of all Evil by some.  Remove the Smart Crash
Reports plugin, reboot, then try your export again.  If you take this
problem to Apple, that's the very first thing they're going to tell
you to do anyways.

Jim
From darcybaston at mac.com  Sun Aug 12 20:34:04 2007
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Sun Aug 12 20:34:39 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] iPhoto 08 export dialog problem (continued)
In-Reply-To: <727550A5-0A65-4040-BBF5-E6ED6B52D773@mac.com>
References: <7B6AEDAE-3F42-4687-B25D-95B624A94F00@mac.com>
	<p06240807c2e5042ee946@[192.168.0.4]>
	<727550A5-0A65-4040-BBF5-E6ED6B52D773@mac.com>
Message-ID: <51AE0029-D978-404F-AF33-237EE5D73CAF@mac.com>

That would be 7.0.1, which I've got. I think that patch fixes Web  
album creation/publishing issues.

I'm not using iWeb until Apple adds functionality to make the Archive  
page selectable by some date range, and not a "since the dawn of  
time" dump.

Darcy

On Aug 12, 2007, at 3:44 PM, John Eller wrote:

heard there's an iphoto software update available.
be careful with iweb in the 08 package - it's got all sort of problems
including losing content.

getting the idea that iLife 08 isn't ready for prime time.
From darcybaston at mac.com  Sun Aug 12 20:56:22 2007
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Sun Aug 12 20:56:57 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] iPhoto 08 export dialog problem (continued)
In-Reply-To: <2F1C2621-76A4-48C0-94EF-80ED2C3F51E8@mac.com>
References: <7B6AEDAE-3F42-4687-B25D-95B624A94F00@mac.com>
	<p06240807c2e5042ee946@[192.168.0.4]>
	<727550A5-0A65-4040-BBF5-E6ED6B52D773@mac.com>
	<2F1C2621-76A4-48C0-94EF-80ED2C3F51E8@mac.com>
Message-ID: <061E1D7F-B1BC-42A7-A6D4-0D7E9EAD0293@mac.com>

Besides the iPhoto export issue and iWeb still being Archivally  
challenged, my biggest complaint is the Events interface they've  
added to iPhoto. Since it replaces rolls, and rolls is what plugging  
in your camera and importing creates, along with dragging and  
dropping from the hard drive, or right clicking on images in Safari  
and choosing 'add to iPhoto', or doing similarly with email  
attachments, single photo imports break the concept. Any time I add  
one photo, like an attachment from an e-mail, I HAVE to merge it with  
another event (like "Miscellaneous") MANUALLY if I want to avoid  
getting stuck with dozens to hundreds of events containing one photo,  
with event names being dates. If I get 3 emails with single picture  
attachments, unrelated to each other, I then have 3 merge operations  
to do. It's a real pain in the.....

Since I have my events date sorted, new events go at the top, and the  
Miscellaneous event I've created goes as far down as the earliest  
date in its list of photos. If I happen to add an image that has an  
older date on it from a hard drive drag n drop let's say, the Misc  
folder's location can jump from where it was for weeks before, to  
somewhere new, causing me to then go scrolling and scrolling looking  
for the darn thing. I could add the step of visiting the view menu  
and sort by event title, but even then, I'm still scrolling looking  
for letter M starting events.

So, I'm giving up on Events/Rolls and just using keywords. This also  
alleviates my dependency on albums. When I import photos, I'll endure  
the overhead of adding keywords at the beginning, so that there's  
nothing to sort/scroll/merge/event'ize/album'ize later.

Events are great if you're using a camera that's always going to  
import a bunch of photos, and you don't add images from hard disk,  
Safari or Mail. I think to get the best use out of Events, you have  
to resist the urge to import photos off your camera too quickly. You  
should fill it up a little, import a bunch, and then use the much  
easier Split function which is quick and painless compared to doing  
merge-event management.

Darcy


On Aug 12, 2007, at 4:43 PM, Holly Welch wrote:

So glad to have you all  telling us about these issues! I just bought  
'08, and now I think I'll wait before I install it! Keep us posted on  
what is happening!! Thanks Darcy for your commentary, too!
Holly
From myztikjenz at gmail.com  Sun Aug 12 21:49:17 2007
From: myztikjenz at gmail.com (Myztik Jenz)
Date: Sun Aug 12 21:49:39 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] iPhoto 08 export dialog problem (continued)
In-Reply-To: <00A9770C-0B52-45EE-83BC-3A49366D8DED@mac.com>
References: <7B6AEDAE-3F42-4687-B25D-95B624A94F00@mac.com>
	<bf8839000708121224p624d629btc71487816c5a03f0@mail.gmail.com>
	<00A9770C-0B52-45EE-83BC-3A49366D8DED@mac.com>
Message-ID: <bf8839000708121949s22792c05vf007d4fbbc989a28@mail.gmail.com>

Should have been just the .bundle.  iPhoto will complain in the
logfiles again if it finds another input manager it can't load.

Jim

On 8/12/07, Darcy Baston <darcybaston@mac.com> wrote:
> I've removed the Input Manager folder. Is that the only location for
> the plugin? Or was there more than just the .bundle file?
>
> Darcy
>
> On Aug 12, 2007, at 2:24 PM, Myztik Jenz wrote:
>
> Darcy,
>
> Smart Crash Reports is an Input Manager by Unsanity and Input Managers
> are considered the Root of all Evil by some.  Remove the Smart Crash
> Reports plugin, reboot, then try your export again.  If you take this
> problem to Apple, that's the very first thing they're going to tell
> you to do anyways.
>
> Jim
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From ether100 at mac.com  Sun Aug 12 23:20:10 2007
From: ether100 at mac.com (Samuel Daines)
Date: Sun Aug 12 23:20:34 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] remove from list
Message-ID: <22147049-C2D7-4477-B256-AEBD9E89CB08@mac.com>


From vlh at herringlaw.com  Mon Aug 13 08:33:46 2007
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Mon Aug 13 08:40:09 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] MUG Info manager for 8/13
Message-ID: <p0624081bc2e60e2940c3@[192.168.0.4]>

Mug InfoManager for Monday, August 13, 2007
-------------------------------------------------------------------
by Lynn Wegley, InfoManager, with coeditor Fred Showker

What's Here:
01  Mac Mod Challenge 2007
02  Office 2008 Coming in January
03  Apple beats Microsoft
04  WireTap Pro Upgrade
05  iPhone: Upheaval in Cellular Industry
06  Why no Intel Inside on Apple?
07  Universal Music Drops The Other Shoe
08  PageFlakes
09  TechTV - rebuilt?
10  For Apple, what a difference a decade makes
11  Free Wi-Fi Access For iPhone Users
12  DEFCON game for Mac
13  Mundu IM for the Apple iPhone
14  BBEdit gets upgrade
15  Toon Boom Digital Pro
16  The New iMac
17  iLife '08
18  Quotes: Gibran and Woodhull

LIVE at: http://www.user-groups.net/info/0708-13.html

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From vlh at herringlaw.com  Mon Aug 13 11:24:05 2007
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Mon Aug 13 11:33:23 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] iPhone use cuts down on hauling MacBookPro
Message-ID: <p06240838c2e6361d9dfd@[192.168.0.4]>

I just made a blog comment on my HL website [below] on this = after 
two road trips, the iPhone was a champ.
-- 
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Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From kisnerj at dwx.com  Mon Aug 13 12:26:56 2007
From: kisnerj at dwx.com (John Kisner)
Date: Mon Aug 13 12:27:23 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] iPhone use cuts down on hauling MacBookPro
In-Reply-To: <p06240838c2e6361d9dfd@[192.168.0.4]>
References: <p06240838c2e6361d9dfd@[192.168.0.4]>
Message-ID: <5EFAD400-4A9F-406D-BAA0-051BF8B3DA58@dwx.com>

That's an interesting blog entry.  Let me relay a different travel  
experience.  In July, my family went to Tampa area for a vacation.   
The rule was "no computers."  So no obsessive checking email and web  
sites.  Best vacation I've had in a long time.

What inspired this new family vacation rule was a trip we took to  
Keystone earlier this year.  We were all frustrated because the  
internet connection in the condo we stayed at was so hit-and-miss.  I  
realized then how powerful the addiction was.

Ironically, given your joy over how the iPhone might replace the  
laptop while traveling, is another possible "family rule" for next  
year.  In Keystone I was frustrated by the frequent cell phone  
interruptions, and it was suggested that next time we meet this other  
family on vacation none of the kids bring their cell phones.  We're  
going to try and cut out social calling/texting while traveling too.

On Aug 13, 2007, at 11:24 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> I just made a blog comment on my HL website [below] on this = after  
> two road trips, the iPhone was a champ.
> -- 
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> Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph.  
> 515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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From darcybaston at mac.com  Mon Aug 13 13:19:07 2007
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Mon Aug 13 13:19:32 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] iPhone use cuts down on hauling MacBookPro
In-Reply-To: <5EFAD400-4A9F-406D-BAA0-051BF8B3DA58@dwx.com>
References: <p06240838c2e6361d9dfd@[192.168.0.4]>
	<5EFAD400-4A9F-406D-BAA0-051BF8B3DA58@dwx.com>
Message-ID: <7304549.1187029147870.JavaMail.darcybaston@mac.com>

I'm of that mind. If it's a vacation or family trip and you're not going to bring the "home life" with you, don't bring along any devices that contradict the idea.

I gave up cell phones entirely about a month ago and am really enjoying the experience. I lived for 30 years without one, and recreating that experience has been refreshing. 

It's very similar to quitting smoking. I'm not reaching for something in my pocket all day long. I don't have cravings to use something in my pocket. My driving won't get interrupted by what I'm holding/doing. I can leave home without checking to see if I remembered to grab the THING. I'm not dependent on the THING to give myself a sense of interconnectedness with humanity, neither is it required to massage anxiety. And I can contact clients in a much more comfortable frame of mind: at my desk, after a drink of water, after using the bathroom, and while smiling inwardly to myself thinking about freedom.

Darcy

 
On Monday, August 13, 2007, at 12:27PM, John Kisner <kisnerj@dwx.com> wrote:

>Ironically, given your joy over how the iPhone might replace the  
>laptop while traveling, is another possible "family rule" for next  
>year.  In Keystone I was frustrated by the frequent cell phone  
>interruptions, and it was suggested that next time we meet this other  
>family on vacation none of the kids bring their cell phones.  We're  
>going to try and cut out social calling/texting while traveling too.
From vlh at herringlaw.com  Mon Aug 13 13:05:58 2007
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Mon Aug 13 13:46:52 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] iPhone use cuts down on hauling MacBookPro
In-Reply-To: <5EFAD400-4A9F-406D-BAA0-051BF8B3DA58@dwx.com>
References: <p06240838c2e6361d9dfd@[192.168.0.4]>
	<5EFAD400-4A9F-406D-BAA0-051BF8B3DA58@dwx.com>
Message-ID: <p06240844c2e64dcc2b19@[192.168.0.4]>

normally I'd also have a rule but I'm a solo and need to be more 
available than others might be if something comes up = it hasn't and 
doesn't but maybe that is because I am so easy to locate.  I do have 
a paralegal, but sometimes a lawyer is needed.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From rbowler at mchsi.com  Mon Aug 13 17:59:22 2007
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Mon Aug 13 17:59:46 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Internet connect on dial up
Message-ID: <p06240605c2e6909d2fba@[10.0.1.3]>

Hi,

My son in law is using Netcom for dial-up and recently had to change 
his password for access. Now when he tries to connect using internet 
connect he has to enter the password each time. The save password box 
is checked. It is also changed in Keychain.

Any ideas? TIA.
-- 
Ray Bowler

rbowler.home.mchsi.com
From cwsmith7 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 13 19:34:26 2007
From: cwsmith7 at gmail.com (CW Smith)
Date: Mon Aug 13 19:34:50 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Internet connect on dial up
In-Reply-To: <p06240605c2e6909d2fba@10.0.1.3>
References: <p06240605c2e6909d2fba@10.0.1.3>
Message-ID: <a82e75f90708131734u465b7a61qd6032421f2d03699@mail.gmail.com>

Reset the keychain? What version of Mac OS X is he using, Ray?

On 8/13/07, Ray Bowler <rbowler@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> My son in law is using Netcom for dial-up and recently had to change
> his password for access. Now when he tries to connect using internet
> connect he has to enter the password each time. The save password box
> is checked. It is also changed in Keychain.
>
> Any ideas? TIA.
> --
> Ray Bowler
>
> rbowler.home.mchsi.com
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From darcybaston at mac.com  Mon Aug 13 19:38:30 2007
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Mon Aug 13 19:39:07 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Internet connect on dial up
In-Reply-To: <p06240605c2e6909d2fba@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <p06240605c2e6909d2fba@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <148CD344-1E41-46DB-B576-57F18CF6FC9A@mac.com>

I'd try deleting just that particular entry from the keychain first  
before resetting it entirely

Maybe open the Keychain Access application, sort the list by date,  
and look for it that way?

Darcy


On Aug 13, 2007, at 5:59 PM, Ray Bowler wrote:

Hi,

My son in law is using Netcom for dial-up and recently had to change  
his password for access. Now when he tries to connect using internet  
connect he has to enter the password each time. The save password box  
is checked. It is also changed in Keychain.

Any ideas? TIA.
-- 
Ray Bowler

rbowler.home.mchsi.com
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From vlh at herringlaw.com  Mon Aug 13 19:47:50 2007
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Mon Aug 13 19:48:23 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] September 23rd meeting....
Message-ID: <p06240854c2e6abf03bd6@[192.168.0.4]>

Holly is in the throes of planning....anyone who has any suggestions, 
ideas, needs, wants or anything, please contribute.  It starts off 
our fall meeting schedule and it'll be good to reconnect with 
everyone.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From CMSSpace at aol.com  Wed Aug 15 08:51:16 2007
From: CMSSpace at aol.com (CMSSpace@aol.com)
Date: Wed Aug 15 08:51:57 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] iMovie Question
Message-ID: <c46.1b9e9e82.33f45ed4@aol.com>

I was hoping to figure this out myself but I have a problem that I need some 
help with.   I've been using iMovie to import and create movies from our 
digital camera.   This has worked fairly well with a few glitches now and then. 
But, I've discovered that a couple of iMovie videos   have imported a few fairly 
large files that I now need to split.   iMovie does not seem to be able to 
actually do this.   I thought that when you cropped a video clip it would 
actually the decrease the video size but it doesn't. It just makes the video 
inaccessible to iMovie.   The original file remains untouched. Is there a utility that 
can actually go in to a dv file and split it into smaller files.   I realize 
that I could go back and reimport clips, and making smaller files but since I 
would have to do this in real time I was hoping for a faster way.   Is the 
video that iMovie creates so proprietary that no other software can touch it?

So why do I need to have smaller files- I bought another external backup 
drive from Seagate (I would not recommend the Western Digital MyBook at this 
time).   Because I want to use the drive with both PC's and our Mac, I am forced to 
use the old ugly DOS FAT32 format.   Obviously, a big drawback to this 
terrible decision is the "no file larger than 4GB" size problem.   I've since 
discovered that I have several files that are over 5 GB from my video importing.   I 
can watch this problem in the future. Most of the time camera files are much 
shorter than the 4 GB limit because we don't normally have the camera 
recording continuously.   If I can't figure out a good solution to this problem I'll 
have to reformat the external backup drive to the normal Mac standard.



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From vlh at herringlaw.com  Thu Aug 16 18:34:46 2007
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu Aug 16 18:35:18 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Options ref. CPU for Server
Message-ID: <p06240856c2ea8ebe66cc@[192.168.0.4]>

I am thinking of having a dedicated server and to use my desktop and 
to have staff use her iMacG5 to access the data rather than have the 
data on my desktop and her iMac.  I have old Cubes, but think those 
wouldn't be large enough and fast enough.  I have a G5 Powermac but 
am thinking of getting rid of it to get a MacPro for the photography. 
I don't need another monitor/display so don't need another iMac. 
Assuming the Server CPU wouldn't need alot of things that I have on 
my machine and the iMac, but data mostly, I would think a harddrive 
around 200G would be okay.

Is there any way to do this?  I think the Mini won't take more than a 
160G inside and it's limited in utility.  I don't want something that 
is too big.

Any suggestion?
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From jon at mac-consultant.com  Thu Aug 16 18:43:56 2007
From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Thu Aug 16 18:43:38 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Options ref. CPU for Server
In-Reply-To: <p06240856c2ea8ebe66cc@[192.168.0.4]>
References: <p06240856c2ea8ebe66cc@[192.168.0.4]>
Message-ID: <55F23F9D-E470-434B-9E73-72C6A9AB3D21@mac-consultant.com>

The G5 Powermac would be all that you need, assuming that you do  
replace it as a workstation with a Mac Pro.

Since you don't have more than four computers connecting to it, you  
can get by with Mac OS X Client.  Any more than four, and you'll have  
to pony up for the OSXS.  However, if you have more than four  
computers, OSXS has some nice management features too.


On 2007, Aug 16, at 6:34 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> I am thinking of having a dedicated server and to use my desktop  
> and to have staff use her iMacG5 to access the data rather than  
> have the data on my desktop and her iMac.  I have old Cubes, but  
> think those wouldn't be large enough and fast enough.  I have a G5  
> Powermac but am thinking of getting rid of it to get a MacPro for  
> the photography. I don't need another monitor/display so don't need  
> another iMac. Assuming the Server CPU wouldn't need alot of things  
> that I have on my machine and the iMac, but data mostly, I would  
> think a harddrive around 200G would be okay.
>
> Is there any way to do this?  I think the Mini won't take more than  
> a 160G inside and it's limited in utility.  I don't want something  
> that is too big.
>
> Any suggestion?
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights,  
> Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph.  
> 515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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From vlh at herringlaw.com  Thu Aug 16 20:15:56 2007
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu Aug 16 20:16:29 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Options ref. CPU for Server
In-Reply-To: <55F23F9D-E470-434B-9E73-72C6A9AB3D21@mac-consultant.com>
References: <p06240856c2ea8ebe66cc@[192.168.0.4]>
	<55F23F9D-E470-434B-9E73-72C6A9AB3D21@mac-consultant.com>
Message-ID: <p06240857c2eaa7131ad4@[192.168.0.4]>

THANKS Jon = that helps.  It sounds like using a Mini as server would 
not work, but converting the G5 would...sounds like a plan...I don't 
want that many computers so cutting back will be just fine.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From maccelerate at earthlink.net  Thu Aug 16 21:18:15 2007
From: maccelerate at earthlink.net (Matthew W.)
Date: Thu Aug 16 21:18:41 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Options ref. CPU for Server
In-Reply-To: <p06240857c2eaa7131ad4@[192.168.0.4]>
References: <p06240856c2ea8ebe66cc@[192.168.0.4]>
	<55F23F9D-E470-434B-9E73-72C6A9AB3D21@mac-consultant.com>
	<p06240857c2eaa7131ad4@[192.168.0.4]>
Message-ID: <1D8B8E12-58C5-4A30-B66A-615A39CAB217@earthlink.net>

I'm not sure why the Mini wouldn't be a fine server. Many a Web site  
is run on a Mini (just Google "Mac mini server hosting"). The main  
weakness of the Mini is the internal drive, but hang a FireWire drive  
or two off it and use one as a boot drive, and the speed is equal to  
an iMac and probably about double the fastest G5. A Mini is tons  
smaller than a G5, uses less power, and is easily transported for  
repair or reallocation of space.

OTOH, the G5 would be a great server too, it is just bigger.

Mw

On Aug 16, 2007, at 8:15 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> THANKS Jon = that helps.  It sounds like using a Mini as server  
> would not work, but converting the G5 would...sounds like a  
> plan...I don't want that many computers so cutting back will be  
> just fine.
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights,  
> Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph.  
> 515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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From maccelerate at earthlink.net  Thu Aug 16 21:53:00 2007
From: maccelerate at earthlink.net (Matthew W.)
Date: Thu Aug 16 21:53:25 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Options ref. CPU for Server
In-Reply-To: <1D8B8E12-58C5-4A30-B66A-615A39CAB217@earthlink.net>
References: <p06240856c2ea8ebe66cc@[192.168.0.4]>
	<55F23F9D-E470-434B-9E73-72C6A9AB3D21@mac-consultant.com>
	<p06240857c2eaa7131ad4@[192.168.0.4]>
	<1D8B8E12-58C5-4A30-B66A-615A39CAB217@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <C44F96D2-750F-4A7D-A283-25690EC436EA@earthlink.net>

I retract this statement, it's just not correct. There were some nice  
G5 Quads, and a G5 is no slouch in the CPU arena, but the new Intel  
procs are... well, if you haven't used any, they are fast CPUs! I was  
holding off upgrading because I was perfectly happy with my Cube G4  
(upgraded to 1.3 GHz, but still a G4). Well, after using a Quad Xeon  
and a Core Duo Mac Book pro for 6 months at work, I realize now that  
there's no contest. Intel is where it's at IMHO.

Mw

On Aug 16, 2007, at 9:18 PM, Matthew W. wrote:

> probably about double the fastest G5.

From vlh at herringlaw.com  Thu Aug 16 22:02:56 2007
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu Aug 16 22:03:34 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Options ref. CPU for Server
In-Reply-To: <C44F96D2-750F-4A7D-A283-25690EC436EA@earthlink.net>
References: <p06240856c2ea8ebe66cc@[192.168.0.4]>
	<55F23F9D-E470-434B-9E73-72C6A9AB3D21@mac-consultant.com>
	<p06240857c2eaa7131ad4@[192.168.0.4]>
	<1D8B8E12-58C5-4A30-B66A-615A39CAB217@earthlink.net>
	<C44F96D2-750F-4A7D-A283-25690EC436EA@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <p0624085fc2eabfe8ecba@[192.168.0.4]>

hmmm  - now I am confused.

I have a PowerMac G5 Dual 2 GHZ and am thinking of upgrading that, 
selling it and or using it as a server or getting something as a 
server = =not for photo stuff, that's what a MacPro would be for = 
but for the other stuff and I wouldn't need all that much space, -- 
the Mini might do what I want, less expensively and if I can sell the 
G5 adn get the MP Intel that would be good!  I'm just trying to make 
sure of what it is I want to do.  No rush, just planning for the fall.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From jon at mac-consultant.com  Thu Aug 16 22:12:44 2007
From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Thu Aug 16 22:12:25 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Options ref. CPU for Server
In-Reply-To: <p0624085fc2eabfe8ecba@[192.168.0.4]>
References: <p06240856c2ea8ebe66cc@[192.168.0.4]>
	<55F23F9D-E470-434B-9E73-72C6A9AB3D21@mac-consultant.com>
	<p06240857c2eaa7131ad4@[192.168.0.4]>
	<1D8B8E12-58C5-4A30-B66A-615A39CAB217@earthlink.net>
	<C44F96D2-750F-4A7D-A283-25690EC436EA@earthlink.net>
	<p0624085fc2eabfe8ecba@[192.168.0.4]>
Message-ID: <5510607D-272E-47B7-B106-8E91D14857CB@mac-consultant.com>

The G5 will support hundreds of users as a server.  For a couple  
users, there is no need for one, much less multiple processors.  If  
you think you can sell the G5 and get a mini for less, go for it.   
But don't worry about processor for a server.  You would be just fine  
with an old G4, really, just make sure you have gigabit ethernet.

> hmmm  - now I am confused.
>
> I have a PowerMac G5 Dual 2 GHZ and am thinking of upgrading that,  
> selling it and or using it as a server or getting something as a  
> server = =not for photo stuff, that's what a MacPro would be for =  
> but for the other stuff and I wouldn't need all that much space, --  
> the Mini might do what I want, less expensively and if I can sell  
> the G5 adn get the MP Intel that would be good!  I'm just trying to  
> make sure of what it is I want to do.  No rush, just planning for  
> the fall.
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights,  
> Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph.  
> 515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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From darcybaston at mac.com  Thu Aug 16 23:31:00 2007
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Thu Aug 16 23:31:45 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Options ref. CPU for Server
In-Reply-To: <1D8B8E12-58C5-4A30-B66A-615A39CAB217@earthlink.net>
References: <p06240856c2ea8ebe66cc@[192.168.0.4]>
	<55F23F9D-E470-434B-9E73-72C6A9AB3D21@mac-consultant.com>
	<p06240857c2eaa7131ad4@[192.168.0.4]>
	<1D8B8E12-58C5-4A30-B66A-615A39CAB217@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4F1ABEB3-FFEE-4C51-8AEC-FB3A3F2A81C4@mac.com>

16,000 users served from Mac mini
http://www.macnn.com/articles/07/06/29/communigate.pronto/


On Aug 16, 2007, at 9:18 PM, Matthew W. wrote:

I'm not sure why the Mini wouldn't be a fine server. Many a Web site  
is run on a Mini (just Google "Mac mini server hosting"). The main  
weakness of the Mini is the internal drive, but hang a FireWire drive  
or two off it and use one as a boot drive, and the speed is equal to  
an iMac and probably about double the fastest G5. A Mini is tons  
smaller than a G5, uses less power, and is easily transported for  
repair or reallocation of space.

OTOH, the G5 would be a great server too, it is just bigger.

Mw
From victoria at journeyzing.com  Fri Aug 17 15:21:44 2007
From: victoria at journeyzing.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Fri Aug 17 15:22:31 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Apple User Group Bulletin - discount information for you
Message-ID: <p0624082ac2ebb395157d@[192.168.0.4]>

>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Apple User Group Bulletin - August 16, 2007
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>CONTENTS
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>Community News - Leaders
>....................
>
>1] - News to Use: Launch Resources on One Page
>2] - Reminder: Ambassador Guide Available for Download
>3] - Share Your News
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>Apple User Group Bulletin - Members
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>Community News - Members
>....................
>
>1] - Save the Date: Exciting User Group Activity at Macworld Expo 2008
>2] - MacFest: Malaysia Mac User Group Covers All Things Apple
>3] - Groups in the News: Annapolis Apple Slice Has Heart ... and More
>4] - BeiMAC: A Primo Primer for China
>5] - GarageBand and Groups: New Bern Gets a Preso with Pizzaz
>6] - Milestones
>
>Special Offers
>....................
>
>1] - Ultralingua: 20 Percent Discount
>2] - LapWorks: 20 Percent Off Laptop Products
>3] - Listz: 25 Percent Off
>4] - Wacom Tablets: 20 Percent Savings
>5] - The MUG Store: Great Prices, Great Incentives
>6] - Apple User Group Market and Apple User Group Offers
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>Community News - Leaders, August 16, 2007
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>1] - News to Use: Launch Resources on One Page
>......................
>
>Apple has all of the resources you need for the recently launched
>iLife, iWork, .Mac, GarageBand Jam Packs, iMac, Mac mini and AirPort
>Extreme. Check out the Apple Sales Web (ASW) Launch Resources Page.
>Presentations, fact sheets and more are just a click away.
>
>Part number
>L350451A-US
>
>http://asw.apple.com
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>2] - Reminder: Ambassador Guide Available for Download
>.....................
>
>Are you the Apple Ambassador for your group? Be sure to download the
>User Group Regional Liaison team's Apple User Group Ambassador Guide.
>It's a terrific resource that will introduce you to some of the great
>resources available to you as your group's Ambassador.
>
>Download the Ambassador Guide.
>http://homepage.mac.com/ugab/resources.html
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>3] - Share Your News
>.....................
>
>Does your group have an event you would like to publicize? Let us
>know. You could see your group in print.
>
>Send us an email.
>ugbeditor@mac.com
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>Apple User Group Bulletin - Members, August 16, 2007
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>COMMUNITY NEWS - MEMBERS
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>1] - Save the Date: Exciting User Group Activity at Macworld Expo 2008
>........................
>
>Will you be attending Macworld in January? Save time on Monday, January
>14 for a special user group member event you won't want to miss. More
>details to come. Until then, save the date!
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>2] - MacFest: Malaysia Mac User Group Covers All Things Apple
>......................
>
>Every other month the officers and members of the Malaysia Mac User
>Group hold a MacFest with speakers, demos, training sessions, prizes
>and a chance to discuss all things Apple. The group makes sure there
>are things for newbies, veteran users and those who are just curious
>about the Mac.
>
>See what the August MacFest provides.
>http://www.mymug.org
>(Thanks to myNMUG President Azul Adnan for this tip.)
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>3] - Groups in the News: Annapolis Apple Slice Has Heart ... and More
>......................
>
>Congratulations to the Annapolis Apple Slice user group. On August 10,
>The Annapolis Capital Gazette published a great article on the the
>group. The article credits members with having, "a lot of heart - plus a
>few hard drives, some motherboards, an LED or two - and plenty of good
>advice." It goes on to detail the outreach the group provides and the
>ways Apple Slice benefits its community.
>
>Read the article.
>http://tinyurl.com/2mjlwm
>
>Visit Apple Slice.
>http://www.annapolisappleslice.com
>
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>_____________________________________________________________________
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>
>Download and learn.
>http://www.beimac.com/primer/macinbjprimer-sampler082007.pdf
>
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>
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>
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>(Apple CIDER)
>http://www.applecider.org
>
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>http://www.klokhuis.nl
>(Greetings to Ambassador Jack van Soest)
>
>1983  Champaign-Urbana Computer Users Group
>http://www.cucug.org
>
>1984  Kankakee Area Mac Users Group
>http://homepage.mac.com/keego/kamug.htm
>
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>http://www.smug.net
>
>1985 Silicon Mountain Macintosh User Group, Inc.
>http://www.smmug.org
>(Thanks to Apple User Group Advisory Board member Lynn Poos for this
>tip.)
>
>1985  Macintosh Users of Delaware
>http://www.mudel.org
>
>1985  North Coast Mac User Group (OH)
>http://homepage.mac.com/ncmug_oh
>(Greetings to Apple User Group Regional Liaison and
>NCMUG President Macbeth Vannoy)
>
>1986 Apple Core of Siouxland
>http://www.usergroup.org/ACS/index.html
>
>1986  MacGroup-Detroit
>http://www.macgroup.org
>(Greetings to President Terry White and members of MacGroup.)
>
>1988  MacWarriors (U of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign)
>http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/macwarriors
>
>Happy two year anniversary to the Greater Niagara Mac User Group.
>http://www.macuser.ca
>(Greetings to past President Dave Walton.)
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
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>
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>....................
>
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>
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>
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>____________________________________________________________________
>
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>.......................
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>
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>


-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Travel Research & Photography site, 
<http://www.JourneyZing.com>;   Online Gallery at 
http://victoriajz.smugmug.com.  Images up now at Arte Gallery, East 
Village in Des Moines;  hope to see you at this year's Two Rivers Art 
Expo, November 2-4.
From vlh at herringlaw.com  Sun Aug 19 10:19:27 2007
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sun Aug 19 10:22:28 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] PowerMac Dual 2 Ghz G5 for sale
Message-ID: <p06240863c2ee0f389189@[192.168.0.4]>

I'm probably going to upgrade at some point this fall, depending on 
whether and when I sell my G5 -- it has 4 GB ram, the original CPU 
160G and an internal 500G Seagate and a video card capable of 
handling a 30" Apple Display.  Plus original disks and manual and 
AppleCare to 11/4/2008.  I'm in no rush and will probably also list 
it on Craigslist etc. but if anyone here is interested, contact me 
off list.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net  Tue Aug 21 09:13:38 2007
From: homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net (Roses Derise)
Date: Tue Aug 21 09:12:58 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] How do I tell what's running on my computer if I can't see
	it?
In-Reply-To: <c46.1b9e9e82.33f45ed4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C2F05D42.1D2D%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>

Dear Friends,

I am so appreciative that you MUGgles are here. I?m known for my
problem-solving ability in other areas of life but on a computer, this
grandma is so slow I?m not even allowed on the expressway. I have been
trying to figure out how to download movies on my MacBook Pro from file
sharing and what I get is porn sites and stuff that?s probably illegal and
which I?ve been entirely unsuccessful in getting to work, plus now I think
there is something running on my computer that I can?t find. Even when there
is nothing else running, I can hear that humming sound that says something
is working in there.

This is actually a two part question, which I?ll break up into two posts.
The question on this one is, how do I find out what?s running on my computer
and/or get rid of it?

Thanks,
Roses





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From homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net  Tue Aug 21 10:34:51 2007
From: homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net (Roses Derise)
Date: Tue Aug 21 10:41:20 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Question 2, downloading movies
In-Reply-To: <c46.1b9e9e82.33f45ed4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C2F0704B.1D31%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>

Dear Friends,

Are there legal ways to download movies,etc. without paying iTune prices?

As I am disabled, I spend a lot of time in bed and have limited resources.
It would be so great to be able to watch movies and TV shows on my  MacBook
Pro, or (instead of having to make a trip to the local library or the
movie-rental place, which for me is kind of a big deal) burn a disk so I
could watch it on the tube. More than just entertainment, as a writer I need
to do research (that?s why I have the blessing of having the MacBook Pro,
because I got a grant for it to write a book.)

But on my income, the costs of buying movies, either as disks or downloads,
are prohibitive. One thing I need, for instance, is a History Channel series
that costs a week?s worth of groceries to buy outright. I?ve spent hours on
the net trying to find legal places to get affordable downloads, but without
success (and worse, stumbling into porn sites etc. and worrying that I
might, ignorant as I am, download something harmful). I use Netflix rentals
for DVDs, but if I need something (such as this history channel series) on
hand to refer to for research over a period of time, then that doesn?t serve
the purpose. 

Feeling that creators deserve to be paid for their creations, I seriously
don?t want to be a pirate. On the other hand, I can to some extent justify
?borrowing? it off the internet the same as if I had gone to the public
library and borrowed it there, just without having to make a physical trip
to town, or that I could legally download and keep on a DVR if I had
satellite TV. 

But even when I try to do this ?borrowing? I have been unsuccessful in
getting anything to work. I?ve tried two different ?free movie? sites (pay
$35 for a lifetime of free movies, etc.) only to discover these sites seems
to be the same company with different names, all using software called
Limewire (lots of porn to wade through) and VLC movie players, I have been
unable to get them to work. Other sites say they don?t support Mac. Wal-Mart
download movies which I have heard has movies in the under $5 range, doesn?t
support Safari (only Internet Explorer, which I have had no luck in
downloading.)

So, besides any general advice you might have, do any of you know
1. where I can find an affordable, respectable, and legal buy, rent, or file
sharing service or 
2. where to go and how to make it work to borrow what I need, and
3. how do I burn DVDs of shows which I own or borrow and want to put on my
computer?

I also wouldn?t mind hearing other?s opinions and ideas about the general
question of legality, morality, fairness, etc. in today?s world where its
not only possible but practical to download so much stuff, and put it in
different forms, such as burning DVD?s.

TIA to you savvy people.

Roses





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From darcybaston at mac.com  Tue Aug 21 11:18:42 2007
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Tue Aug 21 11:19:07 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] How do I tell what's running on my computer if I can't
	see	it?
In-Reply-To: <C2F05D42.1D2D%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>
References: <C2F05D42.1D2D%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>
Message-ID: <6853BA75-0114-1000-BA84-5E5730566848-Webmail-10017@mac.com>

In /Applications/Utilities is an app called Activity Monitor. It can show you what's running, what its memory footprint is, how much cpu it's taking up etc.

Darcy

 
On Tuesday, August 21, 2007, at 10:41AM, "Roses Derise" <homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net> wrote:
>Dear Friends,
>
>I am so appreciative that you MUGgles are here. I?m known for my
>problem-solving ability in other areas of life but on a computer, this
>grandma is so slow I?m not even allowed on the expressway. I have been
>trying to figure out how to download movies on my MacBook Pro from file
>sharing and what I get is porn sites and stuff that?s probably illegal and
>which I?ve been entirely unsuccessful in getting to work, plus now I think
>there is something running on my computer that I can?t find. Even when there
>is nothing else running, I can hear that humming sound that says something
>is working in there.
>
>This is actually a two part question, which I?ll break up into two posts.
>The question on this one is, how do I find out what?s running on my computer
>and/or get rid of it?
>
>Thanks,
>Roses
>
>
>
>
>
>
From ka_klick at mac.com  Tue Aug 21 11:21:13 2007
From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker)
Date: Tue Aug 21 11:22:38 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] How do I tell what's running on my computer if I can't
	see	it?
In-Reply-To: <C2F05D42.1D2D%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>
References: <C2F05D42.1D2D%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>
Message-ID: <23C7B37B-493C-42DF-B17F-47DA36F6450C@mac.com>

Look at Utilities:Activity Monitor

There will be a lot of stuff running you won't know about or  
understand, so it might be difficult to figure out what is going on,  
and your machine does run many tasks on an ongoing basis that you  
have no need to be aware of normally - one that springs to mind is  
the process that keeps Spotlight updated. If you've been downloading  
a bunch of new files, it's possible some of that is spotlight pouring  
over it to index it's contents.


On Aug 21, 2007, at 9:13 AM, Roses Derise wrote:
> Dear Friends,
>
> I am so appreciative that you MUGgles are here. I?m known for my  
> problem-solving ability in other areas of life but on a computer,  
> this grandma is so slow I?m not even allowed on the expressway. I  
> have been trying to figure out how to download movies on my MacBook  
> Pro from file sharing and what I get is porn sites and stuff that?s  
> probably illegal and which I?ve been entirely unsuccessful in  
> getting to work, plus now I think there is something running on my  
> computer that I can?t find. Even when there is nothing else  
> running, I can hear that humming sound that says something is  
> working in there.
>
> This is actually a two part question, which I?ll break up into two  
> posts.  The question on this one is, how do I find out what?s  
> running on my computer and/or get rid of it?
>
> Thanks,
> Roses
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> DMMUG mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> DMMUG@dmmug.org
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--
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Singer/Songwriter
With 2 New CDs!!! See my website for details
kaklick_martin@mac.com
http://ka-klick.com


From vlh at herringlaw.com  Tue Aug 21 14:12:46 2007
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue Aug 21 14:13:29 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Save Tuesday September 25th at 7p for our Meeting
Message-ID: <p0624080ec2f0e944ae3b@[192.168.0.4]>

Details will be forthcoming, but it'll be at Haddock Computing and at 
7p - if anyone wants to volunteer to bring liquids and treats, 
contact CW personally since otherwise he provides them and it might 
be nice if someone else would volunteer.

CW Smith
store manager
Apple Product Professional

Haddock Computer Center
801 73rd Street, suite "I"
Windsor Heights, IA 50312

(515) 225-9040
cw@gohaddock.com

-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  Chair, Employment Rights Section of the AAJ - 
http://www.justice.org/Sections/ .
From vlh at herringlaw.com  Tue Aug 21 14:17:06 2007
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue Aug 21 14:17:32 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Question 2, downloading movies
In-Reply-To: <C2F0704B.1D31%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>
References: <C2F0704B.1D31%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>
Message-ID: <p06240810c2f0ea78f69c@[192.168.0.4]>

try Veoh.com for free movies, I think
try Wolfgang's Vault for free older music
I am sure there are movies, videos, music and books in the public 
domain or with a Creative Commons license= google a little.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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From homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net  Tue Aug 21 14:44:33 2007
From: homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net (Roses Derise)
Date: Tue Aug 21 14:43:52 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Question 2, downloading movies
In-Reply-To: <p06240810c2f0ea78f69c@[192.168.0.4]>
Message-ID: <C2F0AAD1.1D4E%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>

Thanks Victoria. I?ll check out Veoh.com. As for googling, I?ve done more
than a little but your email makes me wonder if I should be using different
search words such as ?creative commons license? or ?public domain?? I?ll see
what that produces.



On 8/21/07 2:17 PM, "Victoria L. Herring" <vlh@herringlaw.com> wrote:

> try Veoh.com for free movies, I think
> try Wolfgang's Vault for free older music
> I am sure there are movies, videos, music and books in the public domain or
> with a Creative Commons license= google a little.


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From homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net  Tue Aug 21 14:40:01 2007
From: homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net (Roses Derise)
Date: Tue Aug 21 14:44:44 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] How do I tell what's running on my computer if I
	can't see it?
In-Reply-To: <23C7B37B-493C-42DF-B17F-47DA36F6450C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C2F0A9C1.1D4C%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>

Ok, thanks to you and Darcy. I looked at the Activity Monitor and indeed, I
think I better not mess with anything there. Most of what I saw used words
or icons that were at least familiar. The only thing I could see that looked
out of the ordinary was I found that in the "user" names columns, they all
said either ROSES or ROOT except a couple that said the user was LP and one
said NOBDODY. Is this ok?

Thanks again.


On 8/21/07 11:21 AM, "Bryan Baker" <ka_klick@mac.com> wrote:

> Look at Utilities:Activity Monitor
> 
> There will be a lot of stuff running you won't know about or
> understand, so it might be difficult to figure out what is going on,
> and your machine does run many tasks on an ongoing basis that you
> have no need to be aware of normally - one that springs to mind is
> the process that keeps Spotlight updated. If you've been downloading
> a bunch of new files, it's possible some of that is spotlight pouring
> over it to index it's contents.
> 
> 
> On Aug 21, 2007, at 9:13 AM, Roses Derise wrote:
>> Dear Friends,
>> 
>> I am so appreciative that you MUGgles are here. I?m known for my
>> problem-solving ability in other areas of life but on a computer,
>> this grandma is so slow I?m not even allowed on the expressway. I
>> have been trying to figure out how to download movies on my MacBook
>> Pro from file sharing and what I get is porn sites and stuff that?s
>> probably illegal and which I?ve been entirely unsuccessful in
>> getting to work, plus now I think there is something running on my
>> computer that I can?t find. Even when there is nothing else
>> running, I can hear that humming sound that says something is
>> working in there.
>> 
>> This is actually a two part question, which I?ll break up into two
>> posts.  The question on this one is, how do I find out what?s
>> running on my computer and/or get rid of it?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Roses
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> DMMUG mailing list
>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>> DMMUG@dmmug.org
>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
> 
> --
> Bryan "ka-klick" Baker
> Singer/Songwriter
> With 2 New CDs!!! See my website for details
> kaklick_martin@mac.com
> http://ka-klick.com
> 
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From vlh at herringlaw.com  Tue Aug 21 14:51:29 2007
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue Aug 21 14:54:24 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Question 2, downloading movies
In-Reply-To: <C2F0AAD1.1D4E%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>
References: <C2F0AAD1.1D4E%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>
Message-ID: <p06240814c2f0f240c970@[192.168.0.4]>

I remember that when Palm first came out and there were lots of 
websites with downloable freebies to put on your Palm so I would 
imagine the technology has advanced enough to provide similar 
freebies for iPods and Macs.

Public Libraries have gobs of DVDs and CDs and you can borrow them 
and they're free.  The downtown library collection is huge.


-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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From darcybaston at mac.com  Tue Aug 21 15:26:42 2007
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Tue Aug 21 15:27:05 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Question 2, downloading movies
In-Reply-To: <p06240814c2f0f240c970@[192.168.0.4]>
References: <C2F0AAD1.1D4E%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>
	<p06240814c2f0f240c970@[192.168.0.4]>
Message-ID: <6853BA75-0114-1000-C056-5E5730566848-Webmail-10017@mac.com>

Yeah, she said that she's done that already and that it's useful, but she can't keep that content in an archive that she can refer in the spur of the moment at a future date. She's looking to manage her own content from within her physical grasp. Content on demand. :)

The app Handbrake may be useful there.

 
On Tuesday, August 21, 2007, at 02:54PM, "Victoria L. Herring" <vlh@herringlaw.com> wrote:
>I remember that when Palm first came out and there were lots of 
>websites with downloable freebies to put on your Palm so I would 
>imagine the technology has advanced enough to provide similar 
>freebies for iPods and Macs.
>
>Public Libraries have gobs of DVDs and CDs and you can borrow them 
>and they're free.  The downtown library collection is huge.
>
>
>-- 
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>Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
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From darcybaston at mac.com  Tue Aug 21 15:28:48 2007
From: darcybaston at mac.com (Darcy Baston)
Date: Tue Aug 21 15:28:52 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] How do I tell what's running on my computer if I	can't
	see it?
In-Reply-To: <C2F0A9C1.1D4C%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>
References: <C2F0A9C1.1D4C%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>
Message-ID: <6853BA75-0114-1000-C059-5E5730566848-Webmail-10017@mac.com>

Sounds ok to me. ROSES is your username, ROOT is the "full permissions" user, meaning the system itself, NOBODY is an internal process thing that doesn't require a user specification (I don't know the OS level why as to this, but I think that's the logic) and I'm unfamiliar with LP.

 
On Tuesday, August 21, 2007, at 03:24PM, "Roses Derise" <homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net> wrote:
>Ok, thanks to you and Darcy. I looked at the Activity Monitor and indeed, I
>think I better not mess with anything there. Most of what I saw used words
>or icons that were at least familiar. The only thing I could see that looked
>out of the ordinary was I found that in the "user" names columns, they all
>said either ROSES or ROOT except a couple that said the user was LP and one
>said NOBDODY. Is this ok?
>
>Thanks again.
From homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net  Tue Aug 21 17:09:51 2007
From: homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net (Roses Derise)
Date: Tue Aug 21 17:09:09 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Re:  Veoh
In-Reply-To: <p06240810c2f0ea78f69c@[192.168.0.4]>
Message-ID: <C2F0CCDF.1D58%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>

Ok so Veoh looks like a major hit for me. I was able to watch part of one of
the history channel episodes I needed and didn?t get asked for my credit
card. Cool!  This was really exciting but when I downloaded the episodes
hoping for a less choppy playback, on replay I get a blank screen and and/or
after fiddling around with it, I kept getting the message that I need to
download flip4mac...which I already did. Any suggestions?




On 8/21/07 2:17 PM, "Victoria L. Herring" <vlh@herringlaw.com> wrote:

> try Veoh.com for free movies, I think
> try Wolfgang's Vault for free older music
> I am sure there are movies, videos, music and books in the public domain or
> with a Creative Commons license= google a little.


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From homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net  Tue Aug 21 17:13:14 2007
From: homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net (Roses Derise)
Date: Tue Aug 21 17:19:24 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Just got it fixed, thanks
In-Reply-To: <C2F0CCDF.1D58%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>
Message-ID: <C2F0CDAA.1D5A%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>

Never mind?it suddenly started working. Weird.


On 8/21/07 5:09 PM, "Roses Derise" <homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net> wrote:

> Ok so Veoh looks like a major hit for me. I was able to watch part of one of
> the history channel episodes I needed and didn?t get asked for my credit card.
> Cool!  This was really exciting but when I downloaded the episodes hoping for
> a less choppy playback, on replay I get a blank screen and and/or after
> fiddling around with it, I kept getting the message that I need to download
> flip4mac...which I already did. Any suggestions?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/21/07 2:17 PM, "Victoria L. Herring" <vlh@herringlaw.com> wrote:
> 
>> try Veoh.com for free movies, I think
>> try Wolfgang's Vault for free older music
>> I am sure there are movies, videos, music and books in the public domain or
>> with a Creative Commons license= google a little.
> 
> 
> 
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From billd at ecity.net  Tue Aug 21 17:19:06 2007
From: billd at ecity.net (Bill Davis)
Date: Tue Aug 21 17:19:52 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Re:  Veoh
In-Reply-To: <C2F0CCDF.1D58%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>
References: <C2F0CCDF.1D58%homeonthefarm@iowatelecom.net>
Message-ID: <E4EBEEF6-F8B1-4CE0-B37D-5D2B195D88D5@ecity.net>

The videos are probably Windows Media files with copy  
protection...which Microsoft doesn't support on the Mac and neither  
does Flip4Mac.  Nor are they likely to.  Ever. Which is stupid...but  
that's Microsoft for 'ya.

I doubt you'll find anything better than iTunes, I'm afraid.   Some  
TV channels broadcast their programming on their web site, especially  
the major national networks but some aren't big enough or don't want to.

  - Bill


On Aug 21, 2007, at 5:09 PM, Roses Derise wrote:

> Ok so Veoh looks like a major hit for me. I was able to watch part  
> of one of the history channel episodes I needed and didn?t get  
> asked for my credit card. Cool!  This was really exciting but when  
> I downloaded the episodes hoping for a less choppy playback, on  
> replay I get a blank screen and and/or after fiddling around with  
> it, I kept getting the message that I need to download  
> flip4mac...which I already did. Any suggestions?
>
>
>
>
> On 8/21/07 2:17 PM, "Victoria L. Herring" <vlh@herringlaw.com> wrote:
>
>> try Veoh.com for free movies, I think
>> try Wolfgang's Vault for free older music
>> I am sure there are movies, videos, music and books in the public  
>> domain or with a Creative Commons license= google a little.
>
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From vlh at herringlaw.com  Tue Aug 28 14:22:42 2007
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue Aug 28 14:24:06 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Information that came in for MUG members
Message-ID: <p06240808c2fa266e3e16@[192.168.1.4]>

Dear Des Moines Macintosh Users Group,

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3.5.0 with support to Exchange accounts.

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Download latest EEAX 3.5.0 from:

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New features are actually in development for future EEAX 3 updates (free for
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* What's new in Entourage Email Archive X 3.5.0
------------------------------------------------------
Major update: as requested this version of EEAX now support Exchange
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This release is free update for all the EEAX 3.x registered users.
Tested with the latest Microsoft Office 10.3.7
All dialogs and internal messages have been improved.
Many internal optimizations.


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From vlh at herringlaw.com  Tue Aug 28 19:34:44 2007
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue Aug 28 19:35:12 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Mac Pro and DIY installs
Message-ID: <p0624081cc2fa6f6a522c@[192.168.1.4]>

I gather one can easily add your own RAM, harddrives in the MacPro = 
can one put in the Airport card too?  I have one in the G5 I have 
now, can I just move it to the MacPro ??
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Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
From jon at mac-consultant.com  Tue Aug 28 19:57:19 2007
From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Tue Aug 28 19:56:56 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Mac Pro and DIY installs
In-Reply-To: <p0624081cc2fa6f6a522c@[192.168.1.4]>
References: <p0624081cc2fa6f6a522c@[192.168.1.4]>
Message-ID: <7A64FE8D-1B81-4EDD-8265-9E989F91ED0B@mac-consultant.com>

It's not listed in the DIY installations.

http://www.apple.com/support/manuals/macpro_diy/


Also, the airport card for the MacPro is a 802.11n card, so it is not  
compatible with the one from your G5.

I would strongly suggest getting a gigabit ethernet switch for you  
and Holly to connect to.  They're cheap, and oh so fast.

-- 
- Jon
On 2007, Aug 28, at 7:34 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> I gather one can easily add your own RAM, harddrives in the MacPro  
> = can one put in the Airport card too?  I have one in the G5 I have  
> now, can I just move it to the MacPro ??
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights,  
> Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph.  
> 515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
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From vlh at herringlaw.com  Tue Aug 28 20:01:41 2007
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue Aug 28 20:09:52 2007
Subject: [DM-MUG] Mac Pro and DIY installs
In-Reply-To: <7A64FE8D-1B81-4EDD-8265-9E989F91ED0B@mac-consultant.com>
References: <p0624081cc2fa6f6a522c@[192.168.1.4]>
	<7A64FE8D-1B81-4EDD-8265-9E989F91ED0B@mac-consultant.com>
Message-ID: <p06240823c2fa75b1cb23@[192.168.1.4]>

Thanks Jon = that answers my Q == I do think I'll do Gig Ethernet for 
simplicity and speed of network...[not Holly by the way] and looks 
like I want to double check that airport card == I do like having 
that as an optoin....v
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney in Des Moines, Iowa -  Civil rights, 
Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.herringlaw.com.  Ph. 
515/255-4475;  iChat AV:  victoriaherring@mac.com;  Skype:  vlherring.
