From kisnerj at dwx.com  Fri Feb  3 16:06:24 2006
From: kisnerj at dwx.com (John Kisner)
Date: Fri Feb  3 16:06:32 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] iWeb pictures
In-Reply-To: p0623090ac00439003199@[192.168.0.6]
References: p0623090ac00439003199@[192.168.0.6]
Message-ID: <A61015C6-C039-4C58-93EA-E50ABE4B2A4E@dwx.com>

> Web has no image-optimization feature, which is something I hope  
> Apple will consider for the next version. Many weekend  
> photographers create large digital images, which will download  
> slowly onto viewers? computers. Large images also take up a lot of  
> space on the .Mac server. Apple says that images are optimized to  
> 800-by-600 pixels, and iWeb does translate non-Web image formats  
> such as Raw and TIFF to the Web-friendly PNG format, but that?s not  
> the same thing as reducing the file size to attain a reasonable  
> download time.

The above is from a review of iWeb on the MacWorld site.  I have two  
novice questions for the group:

Am I correct that iPhoto does not have the ability to save a photo at  
lower resolution, so I have to use the photoshop lite software that  
came with my scanner?

Will I want to save photos at 640v480 or at a somewhat higher  
resolution?

By the way, iWeb's templates are pretty cool.  But I've noticed some  
limits in the "embedded" slots for photos to jazz up a page -- they  
always have to be the shape of the templates, and are cropped to  
fit.  I can live with that, but it's a shame the "magic" isn't even  
more powerful.  But if these things were perfect, I guess we wouldn't  
shell out money for the annual upgrades.

My rudimentary site, constructed over the past week.

http://web.mac.com/kisnerjohn/iWeb/Site/Welcome.html
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From alan at gohaddock.com  Fri Feb  3 16:38:46 2006
From: alan at gohaddock.com (Alan Hansen)
Date: Fri Feb  3 16:39:03 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] iWeb pictures
In-Reply-To: <A61015C6-C039-4C58-93EA-E50ABE4B2A4E@dwx.com>
Message-ID: <C0093796.C44A%alan@gohaddock.com>

If I remember correctly, with the photos I have been working with they
originally are like 1.6Mb in size but when I import them into iWeb they come
in as about 166k JPG files which is like the default Medium setting.  They
also could be exported at the smallest size from iPhoto and brought back in
and they would only be like 122k JPG files.  Another suggestion would be if
iWeb is cropping the file in a way you don?t want it to you could crop it
and modify it in iPhoto and then bring it in to iWeb.  Hope this helps!


On 2/3/06 4:06 PM, "John Kisner" <kisnerj@dwx.com> wrote:

>> Web has no image-optimization feature, which is something I hope Apple will
>> consider for the next version. Many weekend photographers create large
>> digital images, which will download slowly onto viewers? computers. Large
>> images also take up a lot of space on the .Mac server. Apple says that images
>> are optimized to 800-by-600 pixels, and iWeb does translate non-Web image
>> formats such as Raw and TIFF to the Web-friendly PNG format, but that?s not
>> the same thing as reducing the file size to attain a reasonable download
>> time.
> 
> The above is from a review of iWeb on the MacWorld site.? I have two novice
> questions for the group:
> 
> Am I correct that iPhoto does not have the ability to save a photo at lower
> resolution, so I have to use the photoshop lite software that came with my
> scanner?
> 
> Will I want to save photos at 640v480 or at a somewhat higher resolution?
> 
> By the way, iWeb's templates are pretty cool.? But I've noticed some limits in
> the "embedded" slots for photos to jazz up a page -- they always have to be
> the shape of the templates, and are cropped to fit.? I can live with that, but
> it's a shame the "magic" isn't even more powerful.? But if these things were
> perfect, I guess we wouldn't shell out money for the annual upgrades.
> 
> My rudimentary site, constructed over the past week.
> 
> http://web.mac.com/kisnerjohn/iWeb/Site/Welcome.html
> 
> 
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Thanks,
Alan

???? Please send mail to alan@gohaddock.com

Alan Hansen
Haddock Computer
801 73rd Street, Suite I, Windsor Heights, IA 50312
www.gohaddock.com (515) 225-9040 fax (515) 225-1264
iChat/AIM: AlanH@mac.com

Fax education orders toll free to 888-873-2775 or (888-USE-APPL)

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From jlagnese at mac.com  Fri Feb  3 16:47:06 2006
From: jlagnese at mac.com (jim lagnese)
Date: Fri Feb  3 16:47:16 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] iWeb pictures
In-Reply-To: <C0093796.C44A%alan@gohaddock.com>
Message-ID: <C009398A.2D0FB%jlagnese@mac.com>

Or use ImageReady..


On 2/3/06 4:38 PM, "Alan Hansen" <alan@gohaddock.com> wrote:

> If I remember correctly, with the photos I have been working with they
> originally are like 1.6Mb in size but when I import them into iWeb they come
> in as about 166k JPG files which is like the default Medium setting.  They
> also could be exported at the smallest size from iPhoto and brought back in
> and they would only be like 122k JPG files.  Another suggestion would be if
> iWeb is cropping the file in a way you don?t want it to you could crop it and
> modify it in iPhoto and then bring it in to iWeb.  Hope this helps!
> 
> 
> On 2/3/06 4:06 PM, "John Kisner" <kisnerj@dwx.com> wrote:
> 
>>> Web has no image-optimization feature, which is something I hope Apple will
>>> consider for the next version. Many weekend photographers create large
>>> digital images, which will download slowly onto viewers? computers. Large
>>> images also take up a lot of space on the .Mac server. Apple says that
>>> images are optimized to 800-by-600 pixels, and iWeb does translate non-Web
>>> image formats such as Raw and TIFF to the Web-friendly PNG format, but
>>> that?s not the same thing as reducing the file size to attain a reasonable
>>> download time.
>> 
>> The above is from a review of iWeb on the MacWorld site.? I have two novice
>> questions for the group:
>> 
>> Am I correct that iPhoto does not have the ability to save a photo at lower
>> resolution, so I have to use the photoshop lite software that came with my
>> scanner?
>> 
>> Will I want to save photos at 640v480 or at a somewhat higher resolution?
>> 
>> By the way, iWeb's templates are pretty cool.? But I've noticed some limits
>> in the "embedded" slots for photos to jazz up a page -- they always have to
>> be the shape of the templates, and are cropped to fit.? I can live with that,
>> but it's a shame the "magic" isn't even more powerful.? But if these things
>> were perfect, I guess we wouldn't shell out money for the annual upgrades.
>> 
>> My rudimentary site, constructed over the past week.
>> 
>> http://web.mac.com/kisnerjohn/iWeb/Site/Welcome.html
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
>> Dmmug@dmmug.org
>> Use this page to modify subscription options:
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Alan
> 
> ???? Please send mail to alan@gohaddock.com
> 
> Alan Hansen
> Haddock Computer
> 801 73rd Street, Suite I, Windsor Heights, IA 50312
> www.gohaddock.com (515) 225-9040 fax (515) 225-1264
> iChat/AIM: AlanH@mac.com
> 
> Fax education orders toll free to 888-873-2775 or (888-USE-APPL)
> 
> Apple Sales Specialist,  Apple Authorized Education Agent #SA69327
> Apple Service Provider Plus, Canon Video Dealer
> Proud member of Apple's Service, Training and Reseller Advisory Boards
> 
> 
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From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Sat Feb  4 09:02:25 2006
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sat Feb  4 09:22:05 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] iWeb pictures
In-Reply-To: <A61015C6-C039-4C58-93EA-E50ABE4B2A4E@dwx.com>
References: p0623090ac00439003199@[192.168.0.6]
	<A61015C6-C039-4C58-93EA-E50ABE4B2A4E@dwx.com>
Message-ID: <p06230900c00a707492d7@[192.168.0.6]>

my site, 
http://web.mac.com/victoriaherring/iWeb/Venice_Italy/00A7D5CF-EFD3-42DD-86C8-9C2EEAC93511.html

I think for a first edition it's not bad and it certainly is easy but 
one other "problem" [there are work arounds] is that iWeb is resident 
on the creating computer and as not web based, it can only [usually] 
be editted from that computer. 
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and 
planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa, 
515-255-4475.  Photographs at Borders Cafe and newest photographs 
from Venice & Burano, Italy:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
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From alan.maupin at mchsi.com  Sat Feb  4 10:06:03 2006
From: alan.maupin at mchsi.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Sat Feb  4 10:04:14 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] iWeb pictures
In-Reply-To: <p06230900c00a707492d7@[192.168.0.6]>
Message-ID: <20060204160410.C9389174C@www.cialug.org>

Eccellente, Grazie!

  _____  

From: dmmug-bounces@dmmug.org [mailto:dmmug-bounces@dmmug.org] On Behalf Of
Victoria L. Herring
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 9:02 AM
To: Des Moines Mac Users Group
Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] iWeb pictures


my site,
http://web.mac.com/victoriaherring/iWeb/Venice_Italy/00A7D5CF-EFD3-42DD-86C8
-9C2EEAC93511.html


I think for a first edition it's not bad and it certainly is easy but one
other "problem" [there are work arounds] is that iWeb is resident on the
creating computer and as not web based, it can only [usually] be editted
from that computer. 
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & Employment
Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and planning,
<http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa, 515-255-4475.  Photographs
at Borders Cafe and newest photographs from Venice & Burano, Italy:
http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
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From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Mon Feb  6 00:27:06 2006
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Mon Feb  6 00:30:58 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] iLife 06 & iWork 06 available
Message-ID: <p0623090dc00c9aff05bf@[192.168.0.6]>

I ended up with single license boxes of iLife 06 and iWork 06 [not 
installed, shrinkwrap removed only] and realized I needed to have 
family licenses...have been patiently waiting for Apple's RMA to get 
here for both, it's on the way but then I need to ship them out.  If 
anyone wants to buy one or the other off me for $75 each, that'd be 
great.  Call or email me.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and 
planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa, 
515-255-4475.  Photographs at Borders Cafe and newest photographs 
from Venice & Burano, Italy:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Mon Feb  6 00:30:44 2006
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Mon Feb  6 00:30:59 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] iMac 20" G4 with AppleCare
Message-ID: <p0623090ec00c9c8f635c@[192.168.0.6]>

I'm getting ready to list my iMac G4 on eBay and before doing so 
thought I'd first check here -- it's as summarized at 
http://www.lowendmac.com/imacs/imac20.html

Except that it has 768mb RAM, since I added 512 to the normal 256.
It does not have bluetooth or airport, but then the original didn't either.

BUT it does have AppleCare into 2007, which is transferrable.

MegaMacs is selling this model for $990 and I've seen sales of $1,000 
on ebay, but I don't want the hassle of listing and packaging and 
mailing.  But this is a last call, so if anyone is at all interested, 
I'd like to know by the end of the week.  Thanks
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and 
planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa, 
515-255-4475.  Photographs at Borders Cafe and newest photographs 
from Venice & Burano, Italy:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Mon Feb  6 11:24:00 2006
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Mon Feb  6 11:26:37 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] Kyocera 7135
Message-ID: <p0623091ac00d369f7f94@[192.168.0.6]>

Before I put my Kyocera 7135 up on eBay, if anyone here is interested
in it, let me know off list.  Thanks.
-- 
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and 
planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa, 
515-255-4475.  Photographs at Borders Cafe and newest photographs 
from Venice & Burano, Italy:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Tue Feb  7 10:47:05 2006
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue Feb  7 10:59:56 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] iMac 17" G4 with AppleCare [whoops]
Message-ID: <p06230946c00e7d5813c7@[192.168.0.6]>

sorry about that, it's the 17" version but still has AppleCare thru 
into next year.
>>I'm getting ready to list my iMac G4 on eBay and before doing so 
>>thought I'd first check here -- it's as summarized at 
>>http://www.lowendmac.com/imacs/imac20.html
>>
>>Except that it has 768mb RAM, since I added 512 to the normal 256.
>>It does not have bluetooth or airport, but then the original didn't either.
>>
>>BUT it does have AppleCare into 2007, which is transferrable.

-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and 
planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa, 
515-255-4475.  Photographs at Borders Cafe and newest photographs 
from Venice & Burano, Italy:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Tue Feb  7 20:50:46 2006
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue Feb  7 22:41:32 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] NikkiUSA: Laptops for our troops???
Message-ID: <p0623095fc00f0cdfb7e6@[192.168.0.6]>

>from a friend of mine.



>Hello everyone,
>
>Nikki Mendicino is a high school senior and vocal advocate for military
>troops and veterans from the Pittsburgh area. She's spoken at Rolling
>Thunder rallies in Washington on Memorial Days for the past several years.
>
>I just received the message, quoted below, from her mailing list.
>
>Does anyone have any suggestions?
>
>My first thought was to see if Apple would either sell or donate some of its
>refurbished iBooks.
>
>Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. You can either post your ideas
>here or send them directly to Nikki. (Just tell her I relayed this to you.)
>
>--WA
>  Forwarded Message
>From: "Nikki" <mendicino.usa@verizon.net>
>Reply-To: nikkiusa-owner@yahoogroups.com
>Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 00:08:42 +0000
>To: nikkiusa@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: NikkiUSA: Laptops for our troops???
>
>I've got a request from Iraq and I'm not too sure where to direct this
>or what to do. Does anyone know if there are any businesses,
>corporations, or groups, that offer used/discarded laptops to our
>troops?? I've got one request in particular and I would really like to
>see if we can't gather up a few laptops to send them......any
>thoughts??? Anything that you can do to help with this would be
>greatly appreciated!! In particular this is for a Marine unit that has
>just been deployed and they won't be returning for fourteen months!!!
>If you wouldn't mind, would you please send this out to all of your
>email lists and groups?? Hope to hear from you with some great
>suggestions!!!!
>
>~Nikki~
>A friend to all Vets
>and PROUD of it!!!!!

-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and 
planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa, 
515-255-4475.  Photographs at Borders Cafe and newest photographs 
from Venice & Burano, Italy:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
From vanish at dreamscapevisionery.com  Wed Feb  8 15:00:52 2006
From: vanish at dreamscapevisionery.com (Chris Van Cleve)
Date: Wed Feb  8 15:01:01 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] XServe G5 Port Issues
Message-ID: <98e4dad802d4ea1cd4cb9331f4cc5d80@dreamscapevisionery.com>

I'm tossing this out there to see if anyone has any guesses or 
suggestions. I have an XServe G5 that recently developed a problem:

None of it's ports work. Plug anything into any of the USB or FireWire 
ports, and it doesn't not work/mount. Using a USB keyboard, I can press 
Command-S to enter single user mode and all is well. If it boots to the 
GUI, the keyboard does not function. Same goes with the mouse. USB and 
FireWire drives do not mount.

Looking in System profiler, it states there is an Unknown Device on the 
FireWire bus, even though there is no external devices attached.

Thanks,

Chris

From djweis at internetsolver.com  Wed Feb  8 15:17:12 2006
From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis)
Date: Wed Feb  8 15:20:15 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] XServe G5 Port Issues
In-Reply-To: <98e4dad802d4ea1cd4cb9331f4cc5d80@dreamscapevisionery.com>
References: <98e4dad802d4ea1cd4cb9331f4cc5d80@dreamscapevisionery.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602081516580.11018@charmed.internetsolver.com>


Is the key lock flipped?

On Wed, 8 Feb 2006, Chris Van Cleve wrote:

> I'm tossing this out there to see if anyone has any guesses or suggestions. I 
> have an XServe G5 that recently developed a problem:
>
> None of it's ports work. Plug anything into any of the USB or FireWire ports, 
> and it doesn't not work/mount. Using a USB keyboard, I can press Command-S to 
> enter single user mode and all is well. If it boots to the GUI, the keyboard 
> does not function. Same goes with the mouse. USB and FireWire drives do not 
> mount.
>
> Looking in System profiler, it states there is an Unknown Device on the 
> FireWire bus, even though there is no external devices attached.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris
>
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djweis@internetsolver.com
http://www.internetsolver.com/

From vanish at dreamscapevisionery.com  Thu Feb  9 09:00:55 2006
From: vanish at dreamscapevisionery.com (Chris Van Cleve)
Date: Thu Feb  9 09:01:01 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] XServe G5 Port Issues
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602081516580.11018@charmed.internetsolver.com>
References: <98e4dad802d4ea1cd4cb9331f4cc5d80@dreamscapevisionery.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0602081516580.11018@charmed.internetsolver.com>
Message-ID: <206ad7ab63f6a29c8d1670ad313c45b3@dreamscapevisionery.com>

Give that man a Cigar! (Or a cookie if a non-afficionado)

Chris

On Feb 8, 2006, at 3:17 PM, Dave Weis wrote:

>
> Is the key lock flipped?
>
> On Wed, 8 Feb 2006, Chris Van Cleve wrote:
>
>> I'm tossing this out there to see if anyone has any guesses or 
>> suggestions. I have an XServe G5 that recently developed a problem:
>>
>> None of it's ports work. Plug anything into any of the USB or 
>> FireWire ports, and it doesn't not work/mount. Using a USB keyboard, 
>> I can press Command-S to enter single user mode and all is well. If 
>> it boots to the GUI, the keyboard does not function. Same goes with 
>> the mouse. USB and FireWire drives do not mount.
>>
>> Looking in System profiler, it states there is an Unknown Device on 
>> the FireWire bus, even though there is no external devices attached.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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> -- 
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> http://www.internetsolver.com/
>
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From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Thu Feb  9 11:01:56 2006
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu Feb  9 11:02:15 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] Moving to DSL or not, which speed is important?
Message-ID: <p06230920c01125fcf7c3@[192.168.0.6]>

I'm in the midst of comparing various DSL providers and there are 
different up speeds and down speeds to compare, some have 800+ up and 
3000 down, some with 800 up and 1000 down....just generally, I do 
know I want lots of speed both ways, but if I have to take a hit, is 
it better on the up or down speed??  For instance, the Qwest info is 
840k up and 1000 down...and another carrier is 1000 up and 1500 
down....but there's another plan of 896 up and 3000 down...which 
makes more sense?  [pricing is more or less the same]

I assume if I moved to DSL the DSL provider would then be the ISP?? 
Right now MCHSI is my cable company provider and ISP but I don't use 
any of its services other than the 'pipe' and if something goes 
wrong, phone call or in house service.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and 
planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa, 
515-255-4475.  Photographs at Borders Cafe and newest photographs 
from Venice & Burano, Italy:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
From khehr at iastate.edu  Thu Feb  9 11:26:24 2006
From: khehr at iastate.edu (Karl Hehr)
Date: Thu Feb  9 11:26:28 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] RE: DSL
Message-ID: <3A8F2A27-FF6B-4374-B0D0-97993E2912F1@iastate.edu>

>
> I assume if I moved to DSL the DSL provider would then be the ISP??  
> Right now MCHSI is my cable company provider and ISP but I don't  
> use any of its services other than the 'pipe' and if something goes  
> wrong, phone call or in house service.
>

DSL has 2 costs
	-Line
	-ISP

In my case Qwest is my Line provider and MSN is the ISP (bought out  
qwest a few years back for this)
I have heard of people using other ISPs, but your phone company WILL  
be the one you pay for the physical line. Whereas with Cable the line  
and the ISP are one and the same.

--Karl
From tim at timswebsite.net  Thu Feb  9 11:29:28 2006
From: tim at timswebsite.net (Tim Earp)
Date: Thu Feb  9 11:29:35 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] RE: DSL
References: <3A8F2A27-FF6B-4374-B0D0-97993E2912F1@iastate.edu>
Message-ID: <001501c62d9e$61dca290$330215ac@iowanetworkservices.net>

I use netINS as my ISP with Qwest's DSL. I like supporting the local,
Iowa-based company. They have 24 x 7 tech support, too.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Karl Hehr" <khehr@iastate.edu>
To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug@dmmug.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 11:26 AM
Subject: [DM-MUG] RE: DSL


> DSL has 2 costs
> -Line
> -ISP
>
> In my case Qwest is my Line provider and MSN is the ISP (bought out
> qwest a few years back for this)
> I have heard of people using other ISPs, but your phone company WILL
> be the one you pay for the physical line. Whereas with Cable the line
> and the ISP are one and the same.
>
> --Karl

From jdt at internetsolver.com  Thu Feb  9 12:01:25 2006
From: jdt at internetsolver.com (John D. Todd)
Date: Thu Feb  9 12:04:28 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] RE: DSL
In-Reply-To: <001501c62d9e$61dca290$330215ac@iowanetworkservices.net>
References: <3A8F2A27-FF6B-4374-B0D0-97993E2912F1@iastate.edu>
	<001501c62d9e$61dca290$330215ac@iowanetworkservices.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602091150440.14445@charmed.internetsolver.com>

Another local company / DSL ISP to look at is
Internet Solver/Computer Solver

While we don't have 24 x 7 tech support, we do offer free setup and will 
come out to your home/business and hook the dsl modem up to your 
computer/network.

We also are 100% Mac friendly, and are currently offering 2 free months of 
ISP service if you sign-up with us for 1 year.

JT

On Thu, 9 Feb 2006, Tim Earp wrote:

> I use netINS as my ISP with Qwest's DSL. I like supporting the local,
> Iowa-based company. They have 24 x 7 tech support, too.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Karl Hehr" <khehr@iastate.edu>
> To: "Des Moines Mac Users Group" <dmmug@dmmug.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 11:26 AM
> Subject: [DM-MUG] RE: DSL
>
>
>> DSL has 2 costs
>> -Line
>> -ISP
>>
>> In my case Qwest is my Line provider and MSN is the ISP (bought out
>> qwest a few years back for this)
>> I have heard of people using other ISPs, but your phone company WILL
>> be the one you pay for the physical line. Whereas with Cable the line
>> and the ISP are one and the same.
>>
>> --Karl
>
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From kickfire at i-rule.net  Thu Feb  9 12:44:03 2006
From: kickfire at i-rule.net (kickfire@i-rule.net)
Date: Thu Feb  9 12:42:59 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] Moving to DSL or not, which speed is important?
In-Reply-To: <p06230920c01125fcf7c3@[192.168.0.6]>
References: <p06230920c01125fcf7c3@[192.168.0.6]>
Message-ID: <C0BB648C-FD8F-4FCA-A360-4428AD3033D1@i-rule.net>

just a note on some things to get ya thinkin',

there are more choices. I currently use a wireless connection, caught  
with a small parabolic antenna and use it for all my needs with no  
further cost other then a 5-10 dollar charge for a "static IP" which  
allows me to have my own web site hosted from my own computer. My  
connection is through I-rule.net but there are others. they offer  
various configurations as well, but it is nice to be able to not have  
to upload to other computers any of the things that I would need to  
put on my site. All macs come with their own web hosting abilities  
now. My speeds are faster then DSL but some people get the slower  
speeds which are about the same as DSL.


Dave


On Feb 9, 2006, at 11:01 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> I'm in the midst of comparing various DSL providers and there are  
> different up speeds and down speeds to compare, some have 800+ up  
> and 3000 down, some with 800 up and 1000 down....just generally, I  
> do know I want lots of speed both ways, but if I have to take a  
> hit, is it better on the up or down speed??  For instance, the  
> Qwest info is 840k up and 1000 down...and another carrier is 1000  
> up and 1500 down....but there's another plan of 896 up and 3000  
> down...which makes more sense?  [pricing is more or less the same]
>
> I assume if I moved to DSL the DSL provider would then be the ISP??  
> Right now MCHSI is my cable company provider and ISP but I don't  
> use any of its services other than the 'pipe' and if something goes  
> wrong, phone call or in house service.
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination &  
> Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and  
> planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa,  
> 515-255-4475.  Photographs at Borders Cafe and newest photographs  
> from Venice & Burano, Italy:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
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something you profess with your life




From maccelerate at earthlink.net  Thu Feb  9 21:45:52 2006
From: maccelerate at earthlink.net (Matt W)
Date: Thu Feb  9 21:45:59 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] Airport Express for sale
Message-ID: <586A9E2B-E4BE-45A8-A50E-2E61C8CC1B2D@earthlink.net>

Bought August 2004. Not used for about 6 months. Then used for a few  
months in a WDS scenario (home network testing). Thought I'd hook it  
up to the home theater, but that never materialized. It's not really  
needed anymore. Excellent condition with box.

<http://www.apple.com/airportexpress/>

$100.00

E-mail directly please.

Matthew
Maccelerate@earthlink.net


From billd at ecity.net  Thu Feb  9 21:58:58 2006
From: billd at ecity.net (Bill Davis)
Date: Thu Feb  9 21:59:05 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] Moving to DSL or not, which speed is important?
In-Reply-To: <p06230920c01125fcf7c3@[192.168.0.6]>
References: <p06230920c01125fcf7c3@[192.168.0.6]>
Message-ID: <9133E894-D96A-491C-9214-274BB508604C@ecity.net>

FYI, MCHSI / Mediacom is 5Mbps down, not sure about up.  And I see in  
my Medicom bill this month, they now have Medicacom Max for $14 more  
a month that's twice as fast: 10Mbps down, 1Mbps up. (So I'm guessing  
that basic MCHSI is 500k down).  In the words of the car commercial:  
"zoom zoom zoom!" ;-)

If I were you, I'd stick with Mediacom.  Unless you're sending a lot  
of large files or doing online gaming or heavy video conferencing,  
"up" isn't a big issue for most folks.

  - Bill


On Feb 9, 2006, at 11:01 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> I'm in the midst of comparing various DSL providers and there are  
> different up speeds and down speeds to compare, some have 800+ up  
> and 3000 down, some with 800 up and 1000 down....just generally, I  
> do know I want lots of speed both ways, but if I have to take a  
> hit, is it better on the up or down speed??  For instance, the  
> Qwest info is 840k up and 1000 down...and another carrier is 1000  
> up and 1500 down....but there's another plan of 896 up and 3000  
> down...which makes more sense?  [pricing is more or less the same]
>
> I assume if I moved to DSL the DSL provider would then be the ISP??  
> Right now MCHSI is my cable company provider and ISP but I don't  
> use any of its services other than the 'pipe' and if something goes  
> wrong, phone call or in house service.
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination &  
> Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and  
> planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa,  
> 515-255-4475.  Photographs at Borders Cafe and newest photographs  
> from Venice & Burano, Italy:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
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From maccelerate at earthlink.net  Thu Feb  9 22:15:46 2006
From: maccelerate at earthlink.net (Matt W)
Date: Thu Feb  9 22:15:51 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: G5-optimized Firefox 1.5
References: <list-1166362@consultants.apple.com>
Message-ID: <84E0D44F-04C9-4FCB-B529-23AC0A7CE822@earthlink.net>

FYI... These are non-official releases as FF is open-sourced, but  
early indications are that it toasts Safari 2.0.3 and the "official"  
release of FF 1.5. I've tested the Aqua G4 release a bit and it is  
scary fast in key places and is easy to see, but it had a problem  
loading images on a few sites. YMMV.

For those brave enough...

G5-optimized Firefox 1.5:
<http://www.beatnikpad.com/archives/2005/11/29/firefox15>

G4-optimized Firefox 1.5:
<http://www.beatnikpad.com/archives/2005/12/01/firefox15>

Matthew
Maccelerate@earthlink.net


From maccelerate at earthlink.net  Thu Feb  9 22:47:31 2006
From: maccelerate at earthlink.net (Matt W)
Date: Thu Feb  9 22:47:37 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: G5-optimized Firefox 1.5 (solved)
In-Reply-To: <84E0D44F-04C9-4FCB-B529-23AC0A7CE822@earthlink.net>
References: <list-1166362@consultants.apple.com>
	<84E0D44F-04C9-4FCB-B529-23AC0A7CE822@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <A2254703-4451-4E80-A193-F04E1ABE8715@earthlink.net>

The images not loading problem was fixed with a prefs deletion. This  
is a very fast browser.

Also if you've not seen it, there's Shiira, a Japanese developed Web- 
kit-based browser. <http://hmdt-web.net/shiira/en>

Matthew

On Feb 9, 2006, at 10:15 PM, Matt W wrote:

> FYI... These are non-official releases as FF is open-sourced, but  
> early indications are that it toasts Safari 2.0.3 and the  
> "official" release of FF 1.5. I've tested the Aqua G4 release a bit  
> and it is scary fast in key places and is easy to see, but it had a  
> problem loading images on a few sites. YMMV.

Matthew
Maccelerate@earthlink.net


From jweida at gmail.com  Fri Feb 10 07:26:01 2006
From: jweida at gmail.com (Jerry Weida)
Date: Fri Feb 10 07:26:31 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] Moving to DSL or not, which speed is important?
In-Reply-To: <9133E894-D96A-491C-9214-274BB508604C@ecity.net>
References: <p06230920c01125fcf7c3@[192.168.0.6]>
	<9133E894-D96A-491C-9214-274BB508604C@ecity.net>
Message-ID: <7A6CE8C6-AFB9-4AA2-8431-9DE91AB50679@gmail.com>

Basically it comes up between speed and true presence online.  While  
Mediacom offers the best speed for the money, if you want to run a  
server of any type, you are technicallly required to register for one  
of their business plans (notice, not any higher speeds, just costs  
more.)  But a simple webserver doesn't ever seem to catch their eye.

DSL on the other hand allows you more flexibility in your presence on  
the web.  You can get a truly static IP address for running a server  
(Mediacom online offers reserved IPs so they could still, and often  
do, change) and DSL offers DNS administration through Qwest that  
allows you to point a domain at your machine.  This also allows you  
to add email to your server if you want and not relay everything  
through their mail servers (something that is required by the way the  
reverse DNS is setup on the Mediacom network.)

In short, if you want to run a business, I would highly recommend  
DSL.  If you just want raw speed and maybe run a small family site  
where you are not concerned with telling people your address has  
changed, then stick with Mediacom.

Jerry
ex-Mediacom Employee!

On Feb 9, 2006, at 9:58 PM, Bill Davis wrote:

> FYI, MCHSI / Mediacom is 5Mbps down, not sure about up.  And I see  
> in my Medicom bill this month, they now have Medicacom Max for $14  
> more a month that's twice as fast: 10Mbps down, 1Mbps up. (So I'm  
> guessing that basic MCHSI is 500k down).  In the words of the car  
> commercial: "zoom zoom zoom!" ;-)
>
> If I were you, I'd stick with Mediacom.  Unless you're sending a  
> lot of large files or doing online gaming or heavy video  
> conferencing, "up" isn't a big issue for most folks.
>
>  - Bill
>
>
> On Feb 9, 2006, at 11:01 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
>
>> I'm in the midst of comparing various DSL providers and there are  
>> different up speeds and down speeds to compare, some have 800+ up  
>> and 3000 down, some with 800 up and 1000 down....just generally, I  
>> do know I want lots of speed both ways, but if I have to take a  
>> hit, is it better on the up or down speed??  For instance, the  
>> Qwest info is 840k up and 1000 down...and another carrier is 1000  
>> up and 1500 down....but there's another plan of 896 up and 3000  
>> down...which makes more sense?  [pricing is more or less the same]
>>
>> I assume if I moved to DSL the DSL provider would then be the  
>> ISP?? Right now MCHSI is my cable company provider and ISP but I  
>> don't use any of its services other than the 'pipe' and if  
>> something goes wrong, phone call or in house service.
>> -- 
>> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination &  
>> Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and  
>> planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa,  
>> 515-255-4475.  Photographs at Borders Cafe and newest photographs  
>> from Venice & Burano, Italy:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
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>>
>
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From djweis at internetsolver.com  Fri Feb 10 07:40:10 2006
From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis)
Date: Fri Feb 10 07:43:14 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] Moving to DSL or not, which speed is important?
In-Reply-To: <9133E894-D96A-491C-9214-274BB508604C@ecity.net>
References: <p06230920c01125fcf7c3@[192.168.0.6]>
	<9133E894-D96A-491C-9214-274BB508604C@ecity.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602100735590.20212@charmed.internetsolver.com>


On Thu, 9 Feb 2006, Bill Davis wrote:
> If I were you, I'd stick with Mediacom.  Unless you're sending a lot of large 
> files or doing online gaming or heavy video conferencing, "up" isn't a big 
> issue for most folks.

Sending email and uploading digital pictures are the main two that benefit 
from a fast upload.

There is also some correlation between upload and download speed, if you 
have a large asymmetry your downloads may not run at full speed because 
you aren't able to send acknowledgements to the server as fast as they can 
send to you. It's mostly academic, though.

-- 
Dave Weis
djweis@internetsolver.com
http://www.internetsolver.com/

From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Fri Feb 10 08:14:17 2006
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Fri Feb 10 08:14:39 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] Moving to DSL or not, which speed is important?
In-Reply-To: <7A6CE8C6-AFB9-4AA2-8431-9DE91AB50679@gmail.com>
References: <p06230920c01125fcf7c3@[192.168.0.6]>
	<9133E894-D96A-491C-9214-274BB508604C@ecity.net>
	<7A6CE8C6-AFB9-4AA2-8431-9DE91AB50679@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06230957c0124fafbeaa@[192.168.0.6]>

>In short, if you want to run a business, I would highly recommend 
>DSL.  If you just want raw speed and maybe run a small family site 
>where you are not concerned with telling people your address has 
>changed, then stick with Mediacom.
>
>Jerry
>ex-Mediacom Employee!

I don't want to run anything at all!  I have two sites at netINS.net 
already.  I ONLY want the 'pipe' to the internet to be fast enough 
for me to get there.  What I don't like is having to pay for services 
I won't use [i.e., 8-20 email boxes, some web space etc.] -- I may be 
confused about things but thought I needed both the 'pipe' [whether 
cable or DSL] and an ISP, which came with it....to do that....I'm 
only concerned about a physical connection to the internet since I 
have plenty of email addresses and websites as it is [not even 
including the .Mac one]
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, <http://www.HerringLaw.com> 
Travel research and planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>
Photographs at Borders Cafe [West Des Moines, Iowa] through mid-March.
Newest photographs from Venice & Burano, Italy:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
From karl at thehehrs.org  Thu Feb  9 11:23:17 2006
From: karl at thehehrs.org (Karl Hehr)
Date: Fri Feb 10 08:17:14 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] Moving to DSL or not, which speed is important?
In-Reply-To: <p06230920c01125fcf7c3@[192.168.0.6]>
References: <p06230920c01125fcf7c3@[192.168.0.6]>
Message-ID: <C3385450-5FDF-4D36-9FC9-FBE3110B4A4F@thehehrs.org>

>
> I assume if I moved to DSL the DSL provider would then be the ISP??  
> Right now MCHSI is my cable company provider and ISP but I don't  
> use any of its services other than the 'pipe' and if something goes  
> wrong, phone call or in house service.

DSL has 2 costs
	-Line
	-ISP

In my case Qwest is my Line provider and MSN is the ISP (bought out  
qwest a few years back for this)
I have heard of people using other ISPs, but your phone company WILL  
be the one you pay for the physical line. Whereas with Cable the line  
and the ISP are one and the same.

--Karl

From jthompson at greatapetrust.org  Thu Feb  9 11:41:02 2006
From: jthompson at greatapetrust.org (Jon Thompson)
Date: Fri Feb 10 08:17:15 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] Moving to DSL or not, which speed is important?
In-Reply-To: <p06230920c01125fcf7c3@[192.168.0.6]>
References: <p06230920c01125fcf7c3@[192.168.0.6]>
Message-ID: <D32D3191-A133-49CD-8D18-0F53BA43DEC7@greatapetrust.org>

For most users, Down is better than up.  When you are downloading a  
file from the internet, you are using the down speed.  However, if  
you are using your connection for serving files (which is now  
prohibited on Qwest's DSL wire, regardless of ISP,) you are uploading  
files to someone else (who is downloading them.)

However, the exception is video chats, games, and other bidirectional  
communication.  You are uploading your video stream to the other user 
(s)' computer.  At the same time, one or more people are giving you  
the video stream to download.

Apple's requirements for a four way video chat is 384Kbps for both up  
and down.  All of the options that you specify would work well with  
video iChat.
-- 
Jon Thompson
jthompson@greatapetrust.org

Insights through collaborations with apes
Great Ape Trust of Iowa
www.greatapetrust.org



On Feb 9, 2006, at 11:01 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> I'm in the midst of comparing various DSL providers and there are  
> different up speeds and down speeds to compare, some have 800+ up  
> and 3000 down, some with 800 up and 1000 down....just generally, I  
> do know I want lots of speed both ways, but if I have to take a  
> hit, is it better on the up or down speed??  For instance, the  
> Qwest info is 840k up and 1000 down...and another carrier is 1000  
> up and 1500 down....but there's another plan of 896 up and 3000  
> down...which makes more sense?  [pricing is more or less the same]
>
> I assume if I moved to DSL the DSL provider would then be the ISP??  
> Right now MCHSI is my cable company provider and ISP but I don't  
> use any of its services other than the 'pipe' and if something goes  
> wrong, phone call or in house service.
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination &  
> Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and  
> planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa,  
> 515-255-4475.  Photographs at Borders Cafe and newest photographs  
> from Venice & Burano, Italy:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
> _______________________________________________
> Dmmug mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> Dmmug@dmmug.org
> Use this page to modify subscription options:
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>
>

From big.smelly at gmail.com  Thu Feb  9 15:43:47 2006
From: big.smelly at gmail.com (Chris R)
Date: Fri Feb 10 08:17:16 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] 10.4 USB problems
In-Reply-To: <3A8F2A27-FF6B-4374-B0D0-97993E2912F1@iastate.edu>
References: <3A8F2A27-FF6B-4374-B0D0-97993E2912F1@iastate.edu>
Message-ID: <7AAF2AFD-53ED-4686-B6C4-3D41F42CD7AB@gmail.com>

Hello All

Does anyone know any work-arounds to get USB hubs to work in 10.4.4?  
Worked fine under 10.3.9 it shows up on system profiler and most of  
the things hooked to it work. Image capture doesnt recognize my sony  
camera. Any ideas??????? Thanks C

After a time ...
you may find that having ...
is not so pleasing a thing after all ...
as wanting.
  Spock



From jweida at gmail.com  Fri Feb 10 08:24:19 2006
From: jweida at gmail.com (Jerry Heiselman)
Date: Fri Feb 10 08:24:24 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] Moving to DSL or not, which speed is important?
In-Reply-To: <D32D3191-A133-49CD-8D18-0F53BA43DEC7@greatapetrust.org>
References: <p06230920c01125fcf7c3@192.168.0.6>
	<D32D3191-A133-49CD-8D18-0F53BA43DEC7@greatapetrust.org>
Message-ID: <40e57b5f0602100624k70b3e36k5d63116775d06b18@mail.gmail.com>

Victoria,

You're confusion seems to be with the way different ISP technologies are
billed.

DSL is billed in two parts:

1.  Qwest will bill you for the phone line running to your house
2.  A separate ISP will bill you for using their network to the Internet.
In some cases, Qwest bundles in an ISP and therefore you only get one bill.

Cable is only billed in one part because the cable company is charging you
for the ISP service.  They already have the cable line ran to your house
(which you or a contractor paid for sometime before).

If you plan on not running any services off your computer, I would highly
recommend that  you go with cable.  You get a big pipe that would cost you
almost 1/2 again as much if you went with DSL.  You don't get a large upload
speed with Mediacom (I think it's currently set to 512Kb/sec), but it is
generally good enough for most home users.  The download speeds though are
really fast.  For what the 256k/256k service from Qwest w/MSN costs you, you
get 5000k/512k with cable from Mediacom.

Jerry

On 2/9/06, Jon Thompson <jthompson@greatapetrust.org> wrote:
>
> For most users, Down is better than up.  When you are downloading a
> file from the internet, you are using the down speed.  However, if
> you are using your connection for serving files (which is now
> prohibited on Qwest's DSL wire, regardless of ISP,) you are uploading
> files to someone else (who is downloading them.)
>
> However, the exception is video chats, games, and other bidirectional
> communication.  You are uploading your video stream to the other user
> (s)' computer.  At the same time, one or more people are giving you
> the video stream to download.
>
> Apple's requirements for a four way video chat is 384Kbps for both up
> and down.  All of the options that you specify would work well with
> video iChat.
> --
> Jon Thompson
> jthompson@greatapetrust.org
>
> Insights through collaborations with apes
> Great Ape Trust of Iowa
> www.greatapetrust.org
>
>
>
> On Feb 9, 2006, at 11:01 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
>
> > I'm in the midst of comparing various DSL providers and there are
> > different up speeds and down speeds to compare, some have 800+ up
> > and 3000 down, some with 800 up and 1000 down....just generally, I
> > do know I want lots of speed both ways, but if I have to take a
> > hit, is it better on the up or down speed??  For instance, the
> > Qwest info is 840k up and 1000 down...and another carrier is 1000
> > up and 1500 down....but there's another plan of 896 up and 3000
> > down...which makes more sense?  [pricing is more or less the same]
> >
> > I assume if I moved to DSL the DSL provider would then be the ISP??
> > Right now MCHSI is my cable company provider and ISP but I don't
> > use any of its services other than the 'pipe' and if something goes
> > wrong, phone call or in house service.
> > --
> > Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination &
> > Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and
> > planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa,
> > 515-255-4475.  Photographs at Borders Cafe and newest photographs
> > from Venice & Burano, Italy:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
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From djweis at internetsolver.com  Fri Feb 10 08:49:14 2006
From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis)
Date: Fri Feb 10 08:52:17 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] Moving to DSL or not, which speed is important?
In-Reply-To: <D32D3191-A133-49CD-8D18-0F53BA43DEC7@greatapetrust.org>
References: <p06230920c01125fcf7c3@[192.168.0.6]>
	<D32D3191-A133-49CD-8D18-0F53BA43DEC7@greatapetrust.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602100846570.22564@charmed.internetsolver.com>


On Thu, 9 Feb 2006, Jon Thompson wrote:
> For most users, Down is better than up.  When you are downloading a file from 
> the internet, you are using the down speed.  However, if you are using your 
> connection for serving files (which is now prohibited on Qwest's DSL wire, 
> regardless of ISP,) you are uploading files to someone else (who is 
> downloading them.)

That's not entirely correct, it depends on the ISP as to what is allowed. 
Even qwest.net allows servers, otherwise static ip's or subnets would be 
pretty useless.

-- 
Dave Weis
djweis@internetsolver.com
http://www.internetsolver.com/

From maccelerate at earthlink.net  Fri Feb 10 10:17:44 2006
From: maccelerate at earthlink.net (Matt W)
Date: Fri Feb 10 10:17:49 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] 10.4 USB problems
In-Reply-To: <7AAF2AFD-53ED-4686-B6C4-3D41F42CD7AB@gmail.com>
References: <3A8F2A27-FF6B-4374-B0D0-97993E2912F1@iastate.edu>
	<7AAF2AFD-53ED-4686-B6C4-3D41F42CD7AB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <03E79F74-798F-4941-AC05-8AFCFB887A69@earthlink.net>

Had no problems with any under 10.4+. Does plugging the camera  
directly into the Mac work? Unplug and boot and then replug with one  
device at a time? Try booting w/extensions off or deleting some cache  
files, Tiger Cache Cleaner is the easiest way, but I often like to do  
things manually.

Matthew

On Feb 9, 2006, at 3:43 PM, Chris R wrote:

> Hello All
>
> Does anyone know any work-arounds to get USB hubs to work in  
> 10.4.4? Worked fine under 10.3.9 it shows up on system profiler and  
> most of the things hooked to it work. Image capture doesnt  
> recognize my sony camera. Any ideas??????? Thanks C

Matthew
Maccelerate@earthlink.net


From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Mon Feb 13 10:27:47 2006
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Mon Feb 13 10:28:50 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: [MacLaw] New Grant System Excludes Mac Users
Message-ID: <p0623091ec01663dd484b@[192.168.0.6]>

Write Grassley and Harkin...

>
>
><http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/12/AR2006021200942.html>
>
>==========
>
>New Grant System Excludes Mac Users
>Electronic Forms Compatible Only With Microsoft
>By Rick Weiss
>Washington Post Staff Writer
>Monday, February 13, 2006; Page A19
>
>What if the federal government were about to give away more than $400
>billion in grants, but only people whose computers ran on Microsoft
>software could apply?
>
>That is the predicament that many scientists, scholars and others say
>they are in as the government enters the final phase of its five-year
>effort to streamline its grant-application process.
>
>The new "Grants.gov" system, under development at a cost of tens of
>billions of dollars, aims to replace paper applications with
>electronic forms. It is being phased in at the National Institutes of
>Health, Department of Housing and Urban Development and other federal
>agencies. All 26 grant-giving agencies are supposed to have their
>application processes fully online by 2007.
>
>The problem: Although many U.S. scientists and others depend on
>graphics-friendly Macintosh computers, the software selected by the
>government is not Mac-compatible. And it is expected to remain so for
>at least a year.
>
>Last week, faced with evidence that the system will not be fully
>accessible to Mac users by this fall as promised, NIH quietly dropped
>its plan to switch to electronic applications for October's $600
>million round of major "R01" grants.
>
>But NIH and other agencies already have been asking for electronic
>applications for smaller grants, triggering hair loss among
>frustrated Mac users.
>
>"It's been hell on wheels," said Mark Tumeo, vice provost for
>research and dean of the college of graduate studies at Cleveland
>State University, one of many smaller institutions that have been hit
>especially hard by the new requirement.
>
>Although most observers believe that the move to electronic granting
>will eventually pay off, concerns about fairness during the
>transition have prompted angry humor on Mac-related listservs.
>
>"Uh, this would be the same government that spent a lot of time and
>money pursuing Microsoft for its anti-competitive behavior?" one
>blogger wrote. "And they now offer a government site that mandates
>monopoly?"
>
>Charles Havekost, chief information officer at the Health and Human
>Services Department, which helps manage Grants.gov, acknowledged that
>the system is "not perfect" but encouraged applicants to look at the
>positive side: They can go to one site and see every grant being
>offered by every federal agency, and use a standardized electronic
>form to start the process for most grants.
>
>The overall Grants.gov system, under construction by Northrop Grumman
>under a $22 billion federal contract, attracts more than 1 million
>hits every day, Havekost said. The system accepted more than 16,000
>applications for about 20 agencies last year. And it took in even
>more than that last month alone, with 45,000 expected by the end of
>this year.
>
>"In early 2002, people laughed and said, 'This is going to be
>impossible to get agencies to work together,' and yet we were able to
>do it," Havekost said.
>
>But the promise of making Grants.gov accessible to everyone remains
>unfulfilled because of a decision by Grumman and HHS to give a small
>Canadian company called PureEdge Solutions the job of creating the
>electronic forms.
>
>The PureEdge solution, it turns out, works only with the Windows
>operating system. And that is especially galling, several scientists
>said, as at least one major grant-making agency, the National Science
>Foundation, has for many years been using a "platform-independent"
>system that works seamlessly with all kinds of computers.
>
>Mike Atassi, program manager for Grumman's Grants.gov system
>integration team and an avowed fan of Macintosh computers, said the
>choice of PureEdge was logical given that the contract demanded full
>implementation within seven months and because more than 90 percent
>of computer users nationwide use PCs.
>
>Critics note that in contrast to the domination of PCs in the
>business community, Macs constitute about one-third to one-half of
>the computers scientists and academicians use.
>
>A long-standing PureEdge promise to make its forms Mac-compatible
>came into question last summer when IBM bought the company. Last
>week, an IBM spokesman said the company is "still planning to fully
>support the Mac," probably by fall.
>
>Atassi said if he receives a test version from IBM by this fall, it
>could be ready by the following spring.
>
>Meanwhile, the government is steering people to certain "workarounds"
>-- ways to make Macs behave as though they were PCs -- which can be
>purchased or downloaded from the Internet. But those systems are
>receiving mixed reviews.
>
>At the Whitehead Institute for Biomedical Research in Cambridge,
>Mass. -- one of the nation's premier research institutions, where
>every senior scientist has a personal grants administrator -- Mac
>users have used an in-house version of a Web server called Citrix to
>get around Grants.gov's limitations, said Mary Anne Donovan,
>administrative lab manager for a Whitehead researcher.
>
>The process has advantages over paper applications, Donovan said. "I
>can't tell you how many times I've had to take a cab to the airport
>at the last minute to FedEx my nine paper copies," she said. "If you
>can just press a button and send it, that's got to be better."
>
>But others who have turned to the workarounds recommended by
>Grants.gov have not fared as well.
>
>Nancy Wray, who directs the office at Dartmouth College that handles
>federal grant applications, said a recent attempt to use the Citrix
>server workaround was a bust. After struggling though lingo-laden
>government instructions "an awfully long time," she said, the grant
>applicant "just gave up."
>
>Christine Sell, who works with Tumeo at Cleveland State, called the
>Grants.gov workarounds "a walk in the wilderness." Mac users loathe
>one approach recommended by the government -- a "PC emulation"
>program -- because it is susceptible to PC-specific viruses they
>normally do not have to worry about.
>
>Other glitches plague the system, said Wendy Baldwin, executive vice
>president for research at the University of Kentucky, who told of a
>researcher who filed on time but did not find out until two days
>later that the electronic form had not gone through.
>
>"When it takes 48 hours to get a 'fatal error' notice back, you're
>screwed," she said. "This is supposed to be a partnership. . . . If
>you crank off your investigators and they don't make their deadlines,
>that's a terrible thing."
>
>In an interview, HHS's Havekost acknowledged that "there's been
>plenty of hue and cry," adding that applicants can apply for waivers
>to use paper if need be. Asked to confirm that the workarounds were
>at least "workable" -- a word he had used twice earlier in the
>conversation -- he pulled back.
>
>"That's not my word," Havekost said. "There will be a firestorm if
>you say I said it is workable."
>

-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, <http://www.HerringLaw.com> 
Travel research and planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>
Photographs at Borders Cafe [West Des Moines, Iowa] through mid-March.
Newest photographs from Venice & Burano, Italy:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Tue Feb 14 09:27:02 2006
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue Feb 14 09:27:18 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] Last call, single license iLife & iWork '06
Message-ID: <p06230907c017a696279b@[192.168.0.6]>

I have an RMA but will have to eat a restocking fee and mail them 
back, so if anyone wants to buy either or both for $70.00, that'll be 
fine with me.  Let me know before the end of the week, since I do 
need to mail them back by then.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>
Travel research and planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>
Photographs at Borders Cafe [West Des Moines, Iowa] through mid-March.
Newest photographs from Venice & Burano, Italy:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
From JAJorgy at aol.com  Tue Feb 14 22:18:21 2006
From: JAJorgy at aol.com (JAJorgy@aol.com)
Date: Tue Feb 14 22:18:28 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] Importing from Sony DCR-TRV250 Digital Video Camera
Message-ID: <22d.6669f81.3124058d@aol.com>

I am hoping someone can point me to a way to make this work.   I have an iMac 
just upgraded to Tiger 10.4.4.   I have iLife 06 coming.   I want to import 
from my Sony digital video camera.   I have an ImageMixer CD but it is only for 
up to OS 9.2.   Is this my only solution to get the video into iMovie?   Or 
are there other alternatives?   Should I install the ImageMixer on my PC at 
school and get a file with the movie in it, then put it on a flash drive to bring 
home and get it into the Mac?   Will that work?   Obviously, anything 
directly into my Mac would be my preference.   

Thanks for any help you can give me.
Jenny
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From jweida at gmail.com  Wed Feb 15 07:27:51 2006
From: jweida at gmail.com (Jerry Weida)
Date: Wed Feb 15 07:28:18 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] Importing from Sony DCR-TRV250 Digital Video Camera
In-Reply-To: <22d.6669f81.3124058d@aol.com>
References: <22d.6669f81.3124058d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <F38666F2-67F0-47B0-A9DE-7A828335A84A@gmail.com>

Jenny,

Your camera comes equipped with Firewire (and hopefully came with the  
cable too.)  You should be able to plug your camera directly into  
your iMac and use iMovie to extract the movie directly into a  
project.  I don't know if you are going to need the Developer Tools  
as well, but you can download those for free from Apple.  They will  
provide a Firewire framework that allows many applications to have  
access to advanced Firewire controls.

On this page (http://developer.apple.com/tools/xcode/index.html),  
just click on the link that says "Download Xcode 2.2".  You'll be  
asked to sign up for a developer account (this is free for the  
standard package) and then you can download and install these tools  
with include the Firewire set.

Hope this helps.

Jerry


On Feb 14, 2006, at 10:18 PM, JAJorgy@aol.com wrote:

> I am hoping someone can point me to a way to make this work.  I  
> have an iMac just upgraded to Tiger 10.4.4.  I have iLife 06  
> coming.  I want to import from my Sony digital video camera.  I  
> have an ImageMixer CD but it is only for up to OS 9.2.  Is this my  
> only solution to get the video into iMovie?  Or are there other  
> alternatives?  Should I install the ImageMixer on my PC at school  
> and get a file with the movie in it, then put it on a flash drive  
> to bring home and get it into the Mac?  Will that work?  Obviously,  
> anything directly into my Mac would be my preference.
>
> Thanks for any help you can give me.
> Jenny
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From ka_klick at mac.com  Wed Feb 15 08:24:31 2006
From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker)
Date: Wed Feb 15 08:24:37 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] Importing from Sony DCR-TRV250 Digital Video Camera
In-Reply-To: <F38666F2-67F0-47B0-A9DE-7A828335A84A@gmail.com>
References: <22d.6669f81.3124058d@aol.com>
	<F38666F2-67F0-47B0-A9DE-7A828335A84A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5AAD3331-C29D-4AEA-9AEF-8B7A443A5E22@mac.com>

She shouldn't need the dev tools just to have iMovie work.
The Sony software was just provided for systems that don't have  
something like iMovie.
As long as the camera has Firewire (iLink/iee1394) and you have a  
firewire cable to plug it into the mac iMovie is all you should need.

If she wanted to write the next iMovie or some other piece if  
advanced software she'd need the dev tools. (Which are also provided  
on the OS CDs btw).


On Feb 15, 2006, at 7:27 AM, Jerry Weida wrote:
> Jenny,
>
> Your camera comes equipped with Firewire (and hopefully came with  
> the cable too.)  You should be able to plug your camera directly  
> into your iMac and use iMovie to extract the movie directly into a  
> project.  I don't know if you are going to need the Developer Tools  
> as well, but you can download those for free from Apple.  They will  
> provide a Firewire framework that allows many applications to have  
> access to advanced Firewire controls.
>
> On this page (http://developer.apple.com/tools/xcode/index.html),  
> just click on the link that says "Download Xcode 2.2".  You'll be  
> asked to sign up for a developer account (this is free for the  
> standard package) and then you can download and install these tools  
> with include the Firewire set.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Jerry
>
>
> On Feb 14, 2006, at 10:18 PM, JAJorgy@aol.com wrote:
>
>> I am hoping someone can point me to a way to make this work.  I  
>> have an iMac just upgraded to Tiger 10.4.4.  I have iLife 06  
>> coming.  I want to import from my Sony digital video camera.  I  
>> have an ImageMixer CD but it is only for up to OS 9.2.  Is this my  
>> only solution to get the video into iMovie?  Or are there other  
>> alternatives?  Should I install the ImageMixer on my PC at school  
>> and get a file with the movie in it, then put it on a flash drive  
>> to bring home and get it into the Mac?  Will that work?   
>> Obviously, anything directly into my Mac would be my preference.
>>
>> Thanks for any help you can give me.
>> Jenny
>> _______________________________________________
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Des Moines Macintosh Users Group
http://www.dmmug.org
president@dmmug.org

From jon at mac-consultant.com  Wed Feb 15 09:29:04 2006
From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Wed Feb 15 09:29:35 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] Importing from Sony DCR-TRV250 Digital Video Camera
In-Reply-To: <22d.6669f81.3124058d@aol.com>
References: <22d.6669f81.3124058d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <01EEED35-98F6-4560-BAAA-814C0BF26312@mac-consultant.com>

You'll need to use iMovie, which should already be on your computer.   
You may need a 4 pin to 6 pin firewire cable (they have a small plug  
to fit in the camera, and a larger plug for the computer.)  I assume  
that you are wanting still pictures from video that you took.  You  
need to import the video to iMovie.  Inside iMovie, there is an  
option to take a picture from the video.

If you are using the still picture feature that appears is part of  
the camera, you may need to connect it using USB.  Then iPhoto should  
recognize it as a digital still camera and allow you to import the  
pictures into iPhoto.
-- 
Jon Thompson
jthompson@greatapetrust.org
515.360.1351

Insights through collaborations with apes
Great Ape Trust of Iowa
www.greatapetrust.org



On 2006, Feb 14, at 10:18 PM, JAJorgy@aol.com wrote:

> I am hoping someone can point me to a way to make this work.  I  
> have an iMac just upgraded to Tiger 10.4.4.  I have iLife 06  
> coming.  I want to import from my Sony digital video camera.  I  
> have an ImageMixer CD but it is only for up to OS 9.2.   Is this my  
> only solution to get the video into iMovie?  Or are there other  
> alternatives?  Should I install the ImageMixer on my PC at school  
> and get a file with the movie in it, then put it on a flash drive  
> to bring home and get it into the Mac?  Will that work?  Obviously,  
> anything directly into my Mac would be my preference.
>
> Thanks for any help you can give me.
> Jenny
> _______________________________________________
> Dmmug mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> Dmmug@dmmug.org
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From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Wed Feb 15 10:09:32 2006
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Wed Feb 15 10:52:39 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] Upgrading from Photoshop Elements 3 to PS CS2 or something
 like that?
Message-ID: <p0623092dc0190242a4f4@[192.168.0.6]>

What is the best upgrade path?  I have PSE3 and am thinking of 
getting PS in some more full featured type of program but not sure 
how best to do that = the guy at Adobe told me it would be $500 to do 
a 'competitive upgrade' to CS2 from PSE3, but that can't be right.

Any ideas?  PS CS2 upgrade pricing at Amazon is $160 - but I can't 
tell if it's upgrade from PSE3 or from PS itself...
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>
Travel research and planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>
Photographs at Borders Cafe [West Des Moines, Iowa] through mid-March.
Newest photographs from Venice & Burano, Italy:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
From djweis at internetsolver.com  Wed Feb 15 10:51:10 2006
From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis)
Date: Wed Feb 15 10:54:21 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] Upgrading from Photoshop Elements 3 to PS CS2 or
	something like that?
In-Reply-To: <p0623092dc0190242a4f4@[192.168.0.6]>
References: <p0623092dc0190242a4f4@[192.168.0.6]>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602151050200.30337@charmed.internetsolver.com>


On Wed, 15 Feb 2006, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
> What is the best upgrade path?  I have PSE3 and am thinking of getting PS in 
> some more full featured type of program but not sure how best to do that = 
> the guy at Adobe told me it would be $500 to do a 'competitive upgrade' to 
> CS2 from PSE3, but that can't be right.

That is probably right, it's very expensive either way. I think full 
version was approx $1k.

> Any ideas?  PS CS2 upgrade pricing at Amazon is $160 - but I can't tell if 
> it's upgrade from PSE3 or from PS itself...

That is probably only CS1 to CS2 upgrade.

-- 
Dave Weis
djweis@internetsolver.com
http://www.internetsolver.com/

From barry at vonahsen.com  Wed Feb 15 11:30:16 2006
From: barry at vonahsen.com (Barry Von Ahsen)
Date: Wed Feb 15 11:29:18 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] Upgrading from Photoshop Elements 3 to PS CS2
	or	something like that?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602151050200.30337@charmed.internetsolver.com>
References: <p0623092dc0190242a4f4@[192.168.0.6]>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0602151050200.30337@charmed.internetsolver.com>
Message-ID: <43F36528.7020105@vonahsen.com>

Dave Weis wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 15 Feb 2006, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
>> What is the best upgrade path?  I have PSE3 and am thinking of getting 
>> PS in some more full featured type of program but not sure how best to 
>> do that = the guy at Adobe told me it would be $500 to do a 
>> 'competitive upgrade' to CS2 from PSE3, but that can't be right.
> 
> That is probably right, it's very expensive either way. I think full 
> version was approx $1k.
> 
>> Any ideas?  PS CS2 upgrade pricing at Amazon is $160 - but I can't 
>> tell if it's upgrade from PSE3 or from PS itself...
> 
> That is probably only CS1 to CS2 upgrade.
> 

Yep, full version: $649, PSE->CS2: $499
http://store.adobe.com/store/products/master.jhtml?id=catPhotoshopUpgrade

-barry

From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Thu Feb 16 12:13:07 2006
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu Feb 16 12:48:42 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: [MacLaw] OS X Trojan
Message-ID: <p06230928c01a71220150@[192.168.0.6]>

>
>
><http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/02/20060216005401.shtml>
>

you probably know already, but fyi
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, <http://www.HerringLaw.com> 
Travel research and planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>
Photographs at Borders Cafe [West Des Moines, Iowa] through mid-March.
Newest photographs from Venice & Burano, Italy:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
From JAJorgy at aol.com  Thu Feb 16 22:00:06 2006
From: JAJorgy at aol.com (JAJorgy@aol.com)
Date: Thu Feb 16 22:00:14 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] FireWire cable ---Feeling Kind of Dumb....
Message-ID: <291.5d3073b.3126a446@aol.com>

I want to thank those who responded to my question about getting video from a 
Sony Digital 250 camera to iMovie or iDVD.   Now I have another question.   

Instead of the USB cable that I have that plugs from the camera into the USB 
port on the computer (and doesn't get the video out), do I need to get a 
Belkin iLink/iee1394 firewire cable to plug from the camera into the firewire 
port????  I am just learning this stuff.   I think if I can just get it to the 
computer, I can go with it.   Please advise.   And, thanks again for being there 
to support.
Jenny
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From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Fri Feb 17 08:58:33 2006
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Fri Feb 17 08:59:24 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: [MacLaw] MSNBC.com Article: Apple hackers encounter a
 poetic warning
Message-ID: <p06230967c01b950d6d48@[192.168.0.6]>

>
>Apple hackers encounter a poetic warning
>
>Apple Computer Inc. has resorted to a poetic broadside in the inevitable
>cat-and-mouse game between hackers and high-tech companies.
>
>
>
>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11397722/from/ET/
>
>

-- 
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Travel research and planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>
Photographs at Borders Cafe [West Des Moines, Iowa] through mid-March.
Newest photographs from Venice & Burano, Italy:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
From cwsmith at mchsi.com  Fri Feb 17 09:21:11 2006
From: cwsmith at mchsi.com (CW Smith)
Date: Fri Feb 17 09:21:15 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] FireWire cable ---Feeling Kind of Dumb....
In-Reply-To: <291.5d3073b.3126a446@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C01B4607.F91%cwsmith@mchsi.com>

It doesn?t need to be a Belkin brand cable.  It just needs to have a 6-pin
plug on one end (to the computer) and a 4-pin ?mini? plug on the other (to
the camera).

You can get cables like the one you need at Apple Store, CompUseless, Best
Buy, or even WalMart.

Good luck and have fun!


Peace,
CW

On 2/16/06 10:00 PM, "JAJorgy@aol.com" <JAJorgy@aol.com> wrote:

> I want to thank those who responded to my question about getting video from a
> Sony Digital 250 camera to iMovie or iDVD.   Now I have another question.
> 
> Instead of the USB cable that I have that plugs from the camera into the USB
> port on the computer (and doesn't get the video out), do I need to get a
> Belkin iLink/iee1394 firewire cable to plug from the camera into the firewire
> port????  I am just learning this stuff.   I think if I can just get it to the
> computer, I can go with it.   Please advise.   And, thanks again for being
> there to support.
> Jenny
> 
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From JAJorgy at aol.com  Sat Feb 18 21:12:36 2006
From: JAJorgy at aol.com (JAJorgy@aol.com)
Date: Sat Feb 18 21:12:45 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] iMovie/DVD Creation
Message-ID: <2e3.2878a31.31293c24@aol.com>

I just want to say thanks for the support in getting me to find the right 
cable I needed.   I just finished burning my first movie DVD from video --- some 
Readers' Theatre performances of my kindergarteners -- which will be shared 
with families.   Can't wait to start my next project!!!
Jenny
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From jonsharyl at prairieinet.net  Tue Feb 21 13:41:37 2006
From: jonsharyl at prairieinet.net (Jon Engelhardt)
Date: Tue Feb 21 13:39:43 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] Repair tech?
Message-ID: <5b9afe87c6f874d5666be266acf4b072@prairieinet.net>

I have a good older friend who needs a tech to come to his house and 
fix his computer but the catch is that it's a Gateway, I'm working on 
him.  Any suggestions would be most appreciated.

Thanks.  Feel free to contact me off list.

Jon

jonsharyl@prairieinet.net

From colonelpanik at mchsi.com  Tue Feb 21 15:38:29 2006
From: colonelpanik at mchsi.com (Colonel Panik)
Date: Tue Feb 21 16:01:39 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] virus alert
In-Reply-To: <A1D1B3E0-AF78-4268-8EB6-3C89ED57228C@whidbey.net>
References: <A1D1B3E0-AF78-4268-8EB6-3C89ED57228C@whidbey.net>
Message-ID: <43FB8855.8080501@mchsi.com>


Mac users haven't had to be on alert for viruses in awhile. But here is 
a potential OSX vulnerability.

To see if you are vulnerable read this:

http://secunia.com/mac_os_x_command_execution_vulnerability_test/

To secure your Mac these two steps are recommended:

1) Uncheck the box on Safari preferences marked "open safe files after 
downloading"

2) Move the Terminal.app out of the utilities folder to another location.


From billd at ecity.net  Tue Feb 21 21:10:03 2006
From: billd at ecity.net (Bill Davis)
Date: Tue Feb 21 21:10:12 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] virus alert
In-Reply-To: <43FB8855.8080501@mchsi.com>
References: <A1D1B3E0-AF78-4268-8EB6-3C89ED57228C@whidbey.net>
	<43FB8855.8080501@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <7B95313F-6D69-430E-B021-49072B44D2DA@ecity.net>

Do NOT move the Terminal.app. Never, ever, ever move any Apple  
application from where it's installed, or it won't be updated  
properly the next time there is a system update.



On Feb 21, 2006, at 3:38 PM, Colonel Panik wrote:

>
> Mac users haven't had to be on alert for viruses in awhile. But  
> here is a potential OSX vulnerability.
>
> To see if you are vulnerable read this:
>
> http://secunia.com/mac_os_x_command_execution_vulnerability_test/
>
> To secure your Mac these two steps are recommended:
>
> 1) Uncheck the box on Safari preferences marked "open safe files  
> after downloading"
>
> 2) Move the Terminal.app out of the utilities folder to another  
> location.
>
>
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From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Wed Feb 22 04:13:34 2006
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Wed Feb 22 04:15:34 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] One way to contain the virii
Message-ID: <p0623090ac021e998605c@[192.168.0.6]>

create a new user/account, make IT the administrator, deselect the 
original account as administrator...

>
>Subject: [MacLaw] Re: New accounts
>Reply-To: MacLaw@yahoogroups.com
>
>There's no need to move any files into a non-administrator account.  
>If you want to stop acting as an administrator on your main account, 
>just:
>
>(1) Create a NEW administrator account.
>
>(2) Log out of your main account; log back in as your new administrator.
>
>(3) Go into System Preferences, and remove administrator privileges 
>from your original account.
>
>(4) Log out, and log back in as your original account.
>
>No need to move anything at all.
>
>Note that you probably need to really log out, rather than use fast 
>user switching for this to work, but I'm just guessing on that.
>
>Scott

-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, <http://www.HerringLaw.com> 
Travel research and planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>
Photographs at Borders Cafe [West Des Moines, Iowa] through mid-March.
Newest photographs from Venice & Burano, Italy:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Wed Feb 22 07:52:34 2006
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Wed Feb 22 11:35:45 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] Upgrading Photoshop Elements
Message-ID: <p06230912c0221c6d4a6f@[192.168.0.6]>

Thanks for the earlier answers, here's another Q - cost to buy 
Photoshop 6 for mac is $150 [pricegrabber.com] or so....price to 
upgrade from any version of PS to CS2  is $141.00 -- so why should 
anyone buy new or an upgrade from PSE when one can buy PS6 and then 
upgrade from that???

Am I missing something?
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>
Travel research and planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>
Photographs at Borders Cafe [West Des Moines, Iowa] through mid-March.
Newest photographs from Venice & Burano, Italy:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
From vlh at herringlaw.com  Thu Feb 23 15:47:46 2006
From: vlh at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Thu Feb 23 15:48:25 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] Free Apple Seminars, right here in town
Message-ID: <p06230901c023ddf62abf@[192.168.0.6]>

http://www.seminars.apple.com/
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>
Travel research and planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>
Photographs at Borders Cafe [West Des Moines, Iowa] through mid-March.
Newest photographs from Venice & Burano, Italy:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
From GHight at cdsfulfillment.com  Thu Feb 23 11:12:43 2006
From: GHight at cdsfulfillment.com (GHight@cdsfulfillment.com)
Date: Fri Feb 24 07:45:05 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] MAC needs a new home
Message-ID: <OFBA8B703B.1EFD89E4-ON8625711E.005AD576-8625711E.005E8CB6@cdsfulfillment.com>

I have a G3 Performa, 15" monitor, printer, and scanner that needs a new 
home.  It is low mileage and in good working order.  Can anyone suggest a 
worthy use for it?

George Hight 
515-362-3359
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From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Fri Feb 24 08:02:54 2006
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Fri Feb 24 08:03:18 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] MAC needs a new home
In-Reply-To: <OFBA8B703B.1EFD89E4-ON8625711E.005AD576-8625711E.005E8CB6@cdsfulfillment.
	com>
References: <OFBA8B703B.1EFD89E4-ON8625711E.005AD576-8625711E.005E8CB6@cdsfulfillment.
	com>
Message-ID: <p06230913c024c259b27e@[192.168.0.6]>

>I have a G3 Performa, 15" monitor, printer, and scanner that needs a 
>new home.  It is low mileage and in good working order.  Can anyone 
>suggest a worthy use for it?

Someone else here will no doubt speak up, but sometimes I contact 
United Way or a refugee assistance organization [REd Cross?] and see 
if someone there might need a computer.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, <http://www.HerringLaw.com> 
Travel research and planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>
Photographs at Borders Cafe [West Des Moines, Iowa] through mid-March.
Newest photographs from Venice & Burano, Italy:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
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From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Fri Feb 24 08:07:26 2006
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Fri Feb 24 08:09:31 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] smile
Message-ID: <p06230914c024c391fbb4@[192.168.0.6]>

>
>
>  > <<http://www.networkworld.com/community/?q=node/4630>http://
>>  www.networkworld.com/community/?q=node/4630>
>
>Thanks for posting that.  That's the funniest thing I've seen all
>week! :-)

-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, <http://www.HerringLaw.com> 
Travel research and planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>
Photographs at Borders Cafe [West Des Moines, Iowa] through mid-March.
Newest photographs from Venice & Burano, Italy:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
From kisnerj at dwx.com  Fri Feb 24 08:11:01 2006
From: kisnerj at dwx.com (John Kisner)
Date: Fri Feb 24 08:11:17 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] MAC needs a new home
In-Reply-To: OFBA8B703B.1EFD89E4-ON8625711E.005AD576-8625711E.005E8CB6@cdsfulfillment.com
References: OFBA8B703B.1EFD89E4-ON8625711E.005AD576-8625711E.005E8CB6@cdsfulfillment.com
Message-ID: <91857BD2-2C87-464A-ACFF-6364D011232C@dwx.com>

Five years ago, I donated an old Mac to ML King Elementary in Des  
Moines (my oldest daughter went there in kindergarten).  I can't  
remember if they were going to use it, or give it to a family that  
could use a computer.

I've also given computers to Goodwill, but sometimes they have too  
many in hand and don't even want them.

John

On Feb 23, 2006, at 11:12 AM, GHight@cdsfulfillment.com wrote:

>
> I have a G3 Performa, 15" monitor, printer, and scanner that needs  
> a new home.  It is low mileage and in good working order.  Can  
> anyone suggest a worthy use for it?
>
> George Hight
> 515-362-3359
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From chris at kavanaughgallery.com  Fri Feb 24 11:39:22 2006
From: chris at kavanaughgallery.com (Chris)
Date: Fri Feb 24 11:39:37 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] Upgrade for G4-500
In-Reply-To: <p06230914c024c391fbb4@[192.168.0.6]>
References: <p06230914c024c391fbb4@[192.168.0.6]>
Message-ID: <4E3A175D-84B2-4BFF-BB44-A86BDCA26F9A@kavanaughgallery.com>

Hello All
Using system 9 I used a Powerlogix G3 upgrade in my old 8500. It  
worked really well, One of my current computers a G4 500 has quite a  
bit of ram and I know that I cant get my company to pay for a new G5  
yet. Does anyone have any experience with any of the G4 upgrade cards  
and OS X? I was also wondering if anyone knew of any resources for  
getting  DP G4-1000 chips? Thanks Chris


she is yours.
After a time ...
you may find that having ...
is not so pleasing a thing after all ...
as wanting.
It is not logical,
but it is often true.

From maccelerate at earthlink.net  Fri Feb 24 19:30:41 2006
From: maccelerate at earthlink.net (Matt W)
Date: Fri Feb 24 19:30:43 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] Upgrade for G4-500
In-Reply-To: <4E3A175D-84B2-4BFF-BB44-A86BDCA26F9A@kavanaughgallery.com>
References: <p06230914c024c391fbb4@[192.168.0.6]>
	<4E3A175D-84B2-4BFF-BB44-A86BDCA26F9A@kavanaughgallery.com>
Message-ID: <D94C0833-1D16-4767-89C6-FBB72C77F271@earthlink.net>

owcomputing.com has Sonnet and OWC in-store brand upgrades. I've done  
a lot of business with them for my customers. Like them a lot.

BTW, like the Star Trek quote.

Matthew

On Feb 24, 2006, at 11:39 AM, Chris wrote:

> Hello All
> Using system 9 I used a Powerlogix G3 upgrade in my old 8500. It  
> worked really well, One of my current computers a G4 500 has quite  
> a bit of ram and I know that I cant get my company to pay for a new  
> G5 yet. Does anyone have any experience with any of the G4 upgrade  
> cards and OS X? I was also wondering if anyone knew of any  
> resources for getting  DP G4-1000 chips? Thanks Chris
>
>
> she is yours.
> After a time ...
> you may find that having ...
> is not so pleasing a thing after all ...
> as wanting.
> It is not logical,
> but it is often true.

From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Sat Feb 25 11:32:54 2006
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sat Feb 25 11:33:00 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] What is going on - apple.com gives me wierd message
Message-ID: <p06230905c02645012fbc@[10.0.1.3]>

I put in www.apple.com in Safari browser and get the following 
message, bold black font on white page, nothing ref Apple = "Hello, I 
am the new Web~db3!!!"

I can get .Mac but I can't get Google's Gmail.

Ideas???
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>
Travel research and planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>
Photographs at Borders Cafe [West Des Moines, Iowa] through mid-March.
Newest photographs from Venice & Burano, Italy:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Sat Feb 25 11:37:46 2006
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sat Feb 25 11:37:55 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] What is going on - apple.com gives me wierd message
In-Reply-To: <p06230905c02645012fbc@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <p06230905c02645012fbc@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <p06230909c026465b80bf@[10.0.1.3]>

>
>I just went to safari and put in http://www.apple.com -- I get a
>white page that says at the top in bold print "Hello, I am the new
>Web~db3!!!"

I finally went to Firefox and Google, got on and put this wierd 
message in browser -

http://forums.spybot.info/showthread.php?t=576

there's a discussion started here...not sure what this is tho.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, <http://www.HerringLaw.com> 
Travel research and planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>
Photographs at Borders Cafe [West Des Moines, Iowa] through mid-March.
Newest photographs from Venice & Burano, Italy:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
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From maccelerate at earthlink.net  Sat Feb 25 11:50:41 2006
From: maccelerate at earthlink.net (Matt W)
Date: Sat Feb 25 11:50:48 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] What is going on - apple.com gives me wierd message
In-Reply-To: <p06230905c02645012fbc@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <p06230905c02645012fbc@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <962988F9-9A8A-45EA-AC20-163BA8E676E3@earthlink.net>

Hi Vicki,

Your DNS is pointing some addresses back to your own Mac's localhost  
file. What happens if you just type "apple.com" or "apple" in the  
location field? Same thing? Mediacom (you're still on MC, right?)  
might be messing with their services. Didja try going wired vs.  
wireless? Happen on all your machines, or just one?

You could try manually entering your ISP's (or another's) DNS address 
(es) into your networking config (System Preferences/Network/<Your  
Configuration>TCP/IP Tab/). Each ISP has a different set of DNS  
addresses. They aren't mutually exclusive, i.e. you can put other DNS  
numbers in there if you want. It might fix itself with time.

See this Web page for some more hints: <http://www.macfixitforums.com/ 
php/showflat.php? 
Cat=&Board=Forum7&Number=733876&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=31&fpart=1>

Matthew


On Feb 25, 2006, at 11:32 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> I put in www.apple.com in Safari browser and get the following  
> message, bold black font on white page, nothing ref Apple = "Hello,  
> I am the new Web~db3!!!"
>
> I can get .Mac but I can't get Google's Gmail.
>
> Ideas???
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>


Matthew
Maccelerate@earthlink.net


From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Sat Feb 25 11:54:15 2006
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sat Feb 25 11:54:33 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] What is going on - apple.com gives me wierd message
In-Reply-To: <962988F9-9A8A-45EA-AC20-163BA8E676E3@earthlink.net>
References: <p06230905c02645012fbc@[10.0.1.3]>
	<962988F9-9A8A-45EA-AC20-163BA8E676E3@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <p0623090cc02649f458b2@[10.0.1.3]>

Yes, I was finally about to find the macfixit forum info= = only if I 
use Firefox.  I was using Safari and got the wierd message...I can 
get .Mac and can get CNN and can get MacFixit, if I use Firefox.

I've been having wierd network issues since last nite and this AM....


>Hi Vicki,
>
>Your DNS is pointing some addresses back to your own Mac's localhost 
>file. What happens if you just type "apple.com" or "apple" in the 
>location field? Same thing? Mediacom (you're still on MC, right?) 
>might be messing with their services. Didja try going wired vs. 
>wireless? Happen on all your machines, or just one?
>
>You could try manually entering your ISP's (or another's) DNS 
>address(es) into your networking config (System 
>Preferences/Network/<Your Configuration>TCP/IP Tab/). Each ISP has a 
>different set of DNS addresses. They aren't mutually exclusive, i.e. 
>you can put other DNS numbers in there if you want. It might fix 
>itself with time.
>
>See this Web page for some more hints: 
><http://www.macfixitforums.com/php/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Forum7&Number=733876&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=31&fpart=1>
>
>Matthew

-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, <http://www.HerringLaw.com> 
Travel research and planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>
Photographs at Borders Cafe [West Des Moines, Iowa] through mid-March.
Newest photographs from Venice & Burano, Italy:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
From hfwelch at mac.com  Sat Feb 25 12:02:53 2006
From: hfwelch at mac.com (Holly Welch)
Date: Sat Feb 25 12:01:55 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] What is going on - apple.com gives me wierd message
In-Reply-To: <p0623090cc02649f458b2@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <p06230905c02645012fbc@[10.0.1.3]>
	<962988F9-9A8A-45EA-AC20-163BA8E676E3@earthlink.net>
	<p0623090cc02649f458b2@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <715F977F-DD26-4E51-9C25-A07A55ECA54C@mac.com>

I'm on mediacom and have no problem getting the apple site.
On Feb 25, 2006, at 11:54 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> Yes, I was finally about to find the macfixit forum info= = only if  
> I use Firefox.  I was using Safari and got the wierd message...I  
> can get .Mac and can get CNN and can get MacFixit, if I use Firefox.
>
> I've been having wierd network issues since last nite and this AM....
>
>
>> Hi Vicki,
>>
>> Your DNS is pointing some addresses back to your own Mac's  
>> localhost file. What happens if you just type "apple.com" or  
>> "apple" in the location field? Same thing? Mediacom (you're still  
>> on MC, right?) might be messing with their services. Didja try  
>> going wired vs. wireless? Happen on all your machines, or just one?
>>
>> You could try manually entering your ISP's (or another's) DNS  
>> address(es) into your networking config (System Preferences/ 
>> Network/<Your Configuration>TCP/IP Tab/). Each ISP has a different  
>> set of DNS addresses. They aren't mutually exclusive, i.e. you can  
>> put other DNS numbers in there if you want. It might fix itself  
>> with time.
>>
>> See this Web page for some more hints: <http:// 
>> www.macfixitforums.com/php/showflat.php? 
>> Cat=&Board=Forum7&Number=733876&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=31&fpart 
>> =1>
>>
>> Matthew
>
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, <http://www.HerringLaw.com> Travel  
> research and planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>
> Photographs at Borders Cafe [West Des Moines, Iowa] through mid-March.
> Newest photographs from Venice & Burano, Italy:  http:// 
> victoriajz.smugmug.com
> _______________________________________________
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Holly Welch
hfwelch@mac.com

The true voyage of discovery is not in seeking new lands, but having  
new eyes.
                                 ~Marcel Proust


From rbowler at mchsi.com  Sat Feb 25 16:00:37 2006
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Sat Feb 25 16:00:40 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] What is going on - apple.com gives me wierd message
In-Reply-To: <p06230905c02645012fbc@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <p06230905c02645012fbc@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <a06210201c02681e9705c@[10.0.1.3]>

Vicki,

I had this problem and called Apple Support. They did a Google search 
on that phrase and found information about it.  Its seems to be a 
virus on the MediaCom server but they refuse to admit it or don't 
know about it. I switched from Airport to built-in-ethernet and it 
solved the problem. The Ethernet IP is 10.0.1.3 and the Airport's is 
10.0.1.4. I can use Airport most of the time but when I get this 
message I turn ethernet back on. It is an intermittent problem so 
hard to check out. I'll watch replies. Matt's seems interesting.

At 11:32 AM -0600 2/25/06, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
>I put in www.apple.com in Safari browser and get the following 
>message, bold black font on white page, nothing ref Apple = "Hello, 
>I am the new Web~db3!!!"
>
>I can get .Mac but I can't get Google's Gmail.
>
>Ideas???
>--
>Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>
>Travel research and planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>
>Photographs at Borders Cafe [West Des Moines, Iowa] through mid-March.
>Newest photographs from Venice & Burano, Italy:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
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Ray

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Fourth Tues of the month.
See

    <WWW.DMMUG.ORG>
From jweida at gmail.com  Sun Feb 26 10:48:45 2006
From: jweida at gmail.com (Jerry Weida)
Date: Sun Feb 26 10:48:49 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] What is going on - apple.com gives me wierd message
In-Reply-To: <a06210201c02681e9705c@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <p06230905c02645012fbc@[10.0.1.3]>
	<a06210201c02681e9705c@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <63FF27F8-C1DC-4125-9C66-8257AA6093C8@gmail.com>

This is not a virus on the Mediacom servers.  This is simply a case  
of a wildcard DNS entry getting put to use where it shouldn't be.  I  
used to work for Mediacom until this month, and I was working to get  
that wildcard removed, but no one else there seems to realize what  
kind of problem it is.

Generally, a DNS look is done with a fully qualified name (i.e.  
www.apple.com) as opposed to a non fully qualified domain (i.e.  
www).  Mediacom decided that a wildcard entry would serve well and  
redirect people to the www.mchsionline.com website, but they messed  
up the redirection and so you get their test page that says "Welcome  
to the new Web3" (web3 is the hostname of the server).

Now, when your computer tries to do a lookup for www.apple.com it  
passes this request to the Mediacom DNS servers.  Those servers then  
try to do the lookup for you since they do not know this piece of  
information.  The problem comes in where these servers' requests do  
not get responded to, so they then pass back a NOT FOUND message to  
your computer.  Your computer then thinks that maybe this request was  
a non-fully qualified request and sticks your domain name on the end,  
making it www.apple.com.mchsi.com.  This request gets picked up by  
the Mediacom DNS servers which are configured to match *.mchsi.com to  
their webserver which it does so faithfully and returns the address  
of the webserver.  Your machine connects to the server and tells it  
that www.apple.com.mchsi.com was the virutal host it was trying to  
get to which should cause the redirection to take you to the actual  
webpage at www.mchsionline.com, but the redirection isn't working  
right, so you get the default website which only has the welcome  
page.  Your computer then caches this response as the correct one  
since it did appear to get a good result.

Now, after all this explaination, you probably want to know a quick  
way to fix this?  Well, the root cause needs to be fixed by Mediacom,  
but you can usually get rid of the caching that your computer has  
done.  Unfortunately, I'm fairly new to the world of Mac  
administration, so I can't really help out there except to say to  
restart your Internet router (if you have one) then restart your  
computer.  This should clear out your cache and the whole process  
will start over again.  This time however, hopefully,  the original  
request that Mediacom's servers send out on your behalf will return a  
proper response.

If you are on another OS, then you can always attempt the restart  
option as well, but there are ways to flush the DNS cache manually  
without the restart (useful if you have a website or something that  
you are hosting).  This usually involves restarting the caching  
service (nscd on Solaris and FreeBSD), or just issuing a flush  
command (i.e. ipconfig /flushdns on Windows).

You should still call or email Mediacom to try to get them to resolve  
this problem as it is obviously a nuisance on their service.

Jerry


On Feb 25, 2006, at 4:00 PM, Ray Bowler wrote:

> Vicki,
>
> I had this problem and called Apple Support. They did a Google  
> search on that phrase and found information about it.  Its seems to  
> be a virus on the MediaCom server but they refuse to admit it or  
> don't know about it. I switched from Airport to built-in-ethernet  
> and it solved the problem. The Ethernet IP is 10.0.1.3 and the  
> Airport's is 10.0.1.4. I can use Airport most of the time but when  
> I get this message I turn ethernet back on. It is an intermittent  
> problem so hard to check out. I'll watch replies. Matt's seems  
> interesting.
>
> At 11:32 AM -0600 2/25/06, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
>> I put in www.apple.com in Safari browser and get the following  
>> message, bold black font on white page, nothing ref Apple =  
>> "Hello, I am the new Web~db3!!!"
>>
>> I can get .Mac but I can't get Google's Gmail.
>>
>> Ideas???
>> --
>> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>
>> Travel research and planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>
>> Photographs at Borders Cafe [West Des Moines, Iowa] through mid- 
>> March.
>> Newest photographs from Venice & Burano, Italy:  http:// 
>> victoriajz.smugmug.com
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From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Sun Feb 26 11:04:16 2006
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sun Feb 26 11:12:22 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] What is going on - apple.com gives me wierd message
In-Reply-To: <63FF27F8-C1DC-4125-9C66-8257AA6093C8@gmail.com>
References: <p06230905c02645012fbc@[10.0.1.3]>
	<a06210201c02681e9705c@[10.0.1.3]>
	<63FF27F8-C1DC-4125-9C66-8257AA6093C8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06230924c0278ff3c127@[10.0.1.3]>

Jerry that is a great explanation....I'll deal with Mediacom but did 
delete my Safari cache and reset Safari, actually, and it seems to be 
fine now!~
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>
Travel research and planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>
Photographs at Borders Cafe [West Des Moines, Iowa] through mid-March.
Newest photographs from Venice & Burano, Italy:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
From rbowler at mchsi.com  Sun Feb 26 13:27:41 2006
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Sun Feb 26 13:27:43 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] What is going on - apple.com gives me wierd message
In-Reply-To: <63FF27F8-C1DC-4125-9C66-8257AA6093C8@gmail.com>
References: <p06230905c02645012fbc@[10.0.1.3]>
	<a06210201c02681e9705c@[10.0.1.3]>
	<63FF27F8-C1DC-4125-9C66-8257AA6093C8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a06210204c027b04d4fbf@[10.0.1.3]>

Jerry,

At least someone seems to know what is going on but do a Google 
search on that phrase and you get a different explanation. A more 
interesting question is why switching from Airport to hard-wired 
ethernet solves the problem then later switching back to Airport is 
OK. It is also interesting that my wife doesn't have the problem at 
all. Sounds like something specific to a computer.

At 10:48 AM -0600 2/26/06, Jerry Weida wrote:
>This is not a virus on the Mediacom servers.  This is simply a case 
>of a wildcard DNS entry getting put to use where it shouldn't be.  I 
>used to work for Mediacom until this month, and I was working to get 
>that wildcard removed, but no one else there seems to realize what 
>kind of problem it is.

-- 
Ray

Des Moines, IA Mac Users Group
Fourth Tues of the month.
See

    <WWW.DMMUG.ORG>
From rbowler at mchsi.com  Sun Feb 26 13:32:42 2006
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Sun Feb 26 13:32:44 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] What is going on - apple.com gives me wierd message
In-Reply-To: <p06230909c026465b80bf@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <p06230905c02645012fbc@[10.0.1.3]>
	<p06230909c026465b80bf@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <a06210205c027b291d7b8@[10.0.1.3]>

Victoria,

The interesting thing here is that those having the problem seem to 
be using MediaCom which would agree with Jerry's analysis.

At 11:37 AM -0600 2/25/06, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
>>I just went to safari and put in http://www.apple.com -- I get a
>>white page that says at the top in bold print "Hello, I am the new
>>Web~db3!!!"
>
>I finally went to Firefox and Google, got on and put this wierd 
>message in browser -
>
>http://forums.spybot.info/showthread.php?t=576
>
>there's a discussion started here...not sure what this is tho.
>--

-- 
Ray

Des Moines, IA Mac Users Group
Fourth Tues of the month.
See

    <WWW.DMMUG.ORG>
From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Mon Feb 27 09:55:57 2006
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Mon Feb 27 09:56:20 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] What is going on - apple.com gives me wierd message
In-Reply-To: <63FF27F8-C1DC-4125-9C66-8257AA6093C8@gmail.com>
References: <p06230905c02645012fbc@[10.0.1.3]>
	<a06210201c02681e9705c@[10.0.1.3]>
	<63FF27F8-C1DC-4125-9C66-8257AA6093C8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p0623094bc028d1561545@[10.0.1.3]>

Jerry, I forwarded a summary of your explanation to my husband who 
does legal work at times for Mediacom and asked him to forward it 
onto Mediacom....and they'll look into it....let's hope the problem 
is fixed.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>
Travel research and planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>
Photographs at Borders Cafe [West Des Moines, Iowa] through mid-March.
Newest photographs from Venice & Burano, Italy:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
From jweida at gmail.com  Mon Feb 27 10:32:08 2006
From: jweida at gmail.com (Jerry Heiselman)
Date: Mon Feb 27 10:32:10 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] What is going on - apple.com gives me wierd message
In-Reply-To: <p0623094bc028d1561545@10.0.1.3>
References: <p06230905c02645012fbc@10.0.1.3> <a06210201c02681e9705c@10.0.1.3>
	<63FF27F8-C1DC-4125-9C66-8257AA6093C8@gmail.com>
	<p0623094bc028d1561545@10.0.1.3>
Message-ID: <40e57b5f0602270832o74334912o6e2650fa416c908f@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, I truly hope so.

Since you are forwarding it, then I will provide a more detailed
explaination of what I know to be wrong, but I'll do so off-list.

Jerry


On 2/27/06, Victoria L. Herring <vlherring@herringlaw.com> wrote:
>
> Jerry, I forwarded a summary of your explanation to my husband who
> does legal work at times for Mediacom and asked him to forward it
> onto Mediacom....and they'll look into it....let's hope the problem
> is fixed.
> --
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>
> Travel research and planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>
> Photographs at Borders Cafe [West Des Moines, Iowa] through mid-March.
> Newest photographs from Venice & Burano, Italy:
> http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
> _______________________________________________
> Dmmug mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
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> Use this page to modify subscription options:
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From ka_klick at mac.com  Mon Feb 27 23:38:56 2006
From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker)
Date: Mon Feb 27 23:38:59 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] Meeting tomorrow night (tues)
Message-ID: <779A9EC8-D697-4BEB-959E-CB56AABA546D@mac.com>

Elections
Bailey, you have the list?
I have some free books to give away.
Should probably talk about the security developments lately.

--
Bryan Baker
President
Des Moines Macintosh Users Group
http://www.dmmug.org
president@dmmug.org

From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Tue Feb 28 13:10:16 2006
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue Feb 28 13:33:18 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] iLife 06 & iWork 06
In-Reply-To: <p0623090dc00c9aff05bf@[192.168.0.6]>
References: <p0623090dc00c9aff05bf@[192.168.0.6]>
Message-ID: <p0623094ec02a50662277@[10.0.1.3]>

Kudos to Apple.  I returned them to Apple and see from my credit card 
statement that it gave me 100% credit for them!!!  That's service! 
[I had assumed a restocking fee]...
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>
Travel research and planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>
Photographs at Borders Cafe [West Des Moines, Iowa] through mid-March.
Newest photographs from Venice & Burano, Italy:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Tue Feb 28 21:13:03 2006
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue Feb 28 21:13:11 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] Wierd printer doings with Lexmark printer...
Message-ID: <p06230973c02ac19baad9@[10.0.1.3]>

G5 & iMac G5 are on network via Airport;  Netgear router is working;
I can do email and internet off both machines;  I can network between
the two machines.

I can print from the G5 fine.
I cannot print from the iMacG5 at all - this is a new development, today.

I downloaded new drivers, repaired permissions, restarted the iMac
and the printer both.
still won't print.  We've done this several times.

any answers?
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>
Travel research and planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>
Photographs at Borders Cafe [West Des Moines, Iowa] through mid-March.
Newest photographs from Venice & Burano, Italy:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
From cwsmith at mchsi.com  Tue Feb 28 22:02:45 2006
From: cwsmith at mchsi.com (CW Smith)
Date: Tue Feb 28 22:02:45 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] Wierd printer doings with Lexmark printer...
In-Reply-To: <p06230973c02ac19baad9@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <C02A7905.FCE%cwsmith@mchsi.com>

Victoria:

1) Is the printer connected to the G5 or the iMac? (sounds like it's
connected to the G5)

2) What model is the Lexmark printer?

3) Have you double-checked that "printer sharing" is enabled on BOTH
machines, and that "Share my printers" is checked on in the Print & Fax
control panel of the computer to which the printer is connected?

4) Using the Printer Setup Utility, have you tried deleting, then re-adding,
the Lexmark printer to the iMac's printer list?

Good luck!

Peace,
Curt


On 2/28/06 9:13 PM, "Victoria L. Herring" <vlherring@herringlaw.com> wrote:

> G5 & iMac G5 are on network via Airport;  Netgear router is working;
> I can do email and internet off both machines;  I can network between
> the two machines.
> 
> I can print from the G5 fine.
> I cannot print from the iMacG5 at all - this is a new development, today.
> 
> I downloaded new drivers, repaired permissions, restarted the iMac
> and the printer both.
> still won't print.  We've done this several times.
> 
> any answers?



-- 

Curt (CW) Smith
   Musician
   Audio / Video technician
   Windows / Macintosh consultant

705 Maple Street
Atlantic, Iowa 50022 USA

Phone:  (712) 243-1200
Mobile: (712) 254-0930

cwsmith@mchsi.com (home)
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http://cwsmith.spymac.com


From maccelerate at earthlink.net  Tue Feb 28 22:29:55 2006
From: maccelerate at earthlink.net (Matt W)
Date: Tue Feb 28 22:29:58 2006
Subject: [DM-MUG] Wierd printer doings with Lexmark printer...
In-Reply-To: <p06230973c02ac19baad9@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <p06230973c02ac19baad9@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <0AEE7AB2-6812-45F4-972A-C3494980294C@earthlink.net>

This is probably your network printer, right? Is AppleTalk off? Did  
you delete the printer and then recreate it in the Printer Setup  
Utility? At what point does it fail? Does it open the printer driver  
in the Dock, bounce a couple of times and then disappear or what?

CW's sharing suggestion might provide other clues. Looking into the  
Console might also help.

Matthew

On Feb 28, 2006, at 9:13 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> G5 & iMac G5 are on network via Airport;  Netgear router is working;
> I can do email and internet off both machines;  I can network between
> the two machines.
>
> I can print from the G5 fine.
> I cannot print from the iMacG5 at all - this is a new development,  
> today.
>



Matthew
Maccelerate@earthlink.net


