From m.klein at studio31.org  Thu Dec  1 09:51:51 2005
From: m.klein at studio31.org (Matt Klein)
Date: Fri Dec  2 09:54:43 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Performa 6116CD
Message-ID: <20051201155156.65CF05A46@www.cialug.org>

Hello:

I have a Peforma 6116CD that I would like to get rid of. Free for whoever wants it.

The computer does power on, we have been unable to reload an OS onto it however.

Comes with: 

Monitor - Works
Color Bubble Jet Printer - Works
Keyboard/Mouse - Works
External Modem - Works

Please contact me via email at m.klein@studio31.org if interested.

Thank you.

From robolaw at aol.com  Fri Dec  2 10:08:45 2005
From: robolaw at aol.com (Hoffmann Michael R.)
Date: Fri Dec  2 10:08:54 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Master PW
Message-ID: <135BB6A6-E883-4139-88A2-CCB4C1FF19B9@aol.com>

I have an old Mac that I want to activate FileVault on, but find that  
it has a Master PW, which we seem to have no record of.

Since FileVault is not active, I presume there are no encrypted files  
that will be affected.

Can I trash FileVaultMaster.keychain &/or FileVaultMaster.cer to get  
around this & set a new Master PW?

Very truly yours,
Michael R. Hoffmann
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and all copies of it. Thank you.

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From cwsmith at mchsi.com  Fri Dec  2 15:05:41 2005
From: cwsmith at mchsi.com (CW Smith)
Date: Fri Dec  2 15:05:46 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Performa 6116CD
In-Reply-To: <20051201155156.65CF05A46@www.cialug.org>
Message-ID: <BFB61345.DE2%cwsmith@mchsi.com>

I could use it for parts if no one has taken it yet.

You can contact me at home -- phone number in my signature.

Peace,
CW

On 12/1/05 9:51 AM, "Matt Klein" <m.klein@studio31.org> wrote:

> Hello:
> 
> I have a Peforma 6116CD that I would like to get rid of. Free for whoever
> wants it.
> 
> The computer does power on, we have been unable to reload an OS onto it
> however.
> 
> Comes with: 
> 
> Monitor - Works
> Color Bubble Jet Printer - Works
> Keyboard/Mouse - Works
> External Modem - Works
> 
> Please contact me via email at m.klein@studio31.org if interested.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Dmmug mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> Dmmug@dmmug.org
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-- 

Curt (CW) Smith
   Musician
   Audio / Video technician
   Windows / Macintosh consultant

705 Maple Street
Atlantic, Iowa 50022 USA

Phone:  (712) 243-1200
Mobile: (712) 254-0930

cwsmith@mchsi.com (home)
cwsmith@spymac.com (music)
winmactech@mchsi.com (technical)

http://cwsmith.spymac.com


From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Fri Dec  2 17:10:12 2005
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Fri Dec  2 17:10:20 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Has anyone here bought & used Aperature and if so
Message-ID: <p0623091abfb684bbd850@[192.168.0.12]>

how is the program?
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and 
planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa, 
515-255-4475.  Photographs now on display at Borders Books & Cafe, 
West Des Moines:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Sat Dec  3 08:26:30 2005
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sat Dec  3 08:29:00 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] short Firewire cables?
Message-ID: <p06230905bfb75b5ba1c4@[192.168.0.12]>

I'm looking for short ones - 18"-3' or so....maybe less....is there 
anywhere locally they are sold?  I've found an internet source but 
thought I'd check here.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and 
planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa, 
515-255-4475.  Photographs now on display at Borders Books & Cafe, 
West Des Moines:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
From jweida at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 08:34:35 2005
From: jweida at gmail.com (Jerry Heiselman)
Date: Sat Dec  3 08:34:39 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] short Firewire cables?
In-Reply-To: <p06230905bfb75b5ba1c4@192.168.0.12>
References: <p06230905bfb75b5ba1c4@192.168.0.12>
Message-ID: <40e57b5f0512030634q700da508r1ec857cc304a28c9@mail.gmail.com>

Never seen any that short anywhere here in Des Moines.  If you find
some let us know.

jerry

On 12/3/05, Victoria L. Herring <vlherring@herringlaw.com> wrote:
> I'm looking for short ones - 18"-3' or so....maybe less....is there
> anywhere locally they are sold?  I've found an internet source but
> thought I'd check here.
> --
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination &
> Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and
> planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa,
> 515-255-4475.  Photographs now on display at Borders Books & Cafe,
> West Des Moines:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
> _______________________________________________
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From djweis at internetsolver.com  Sat Dec  3 09:19:27 2005
From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis)
Date: Sat Dec  3 09:20:44 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] short Firewire cables?
In-Reply-To: <p06230905bfb75b5ba1c4@[192.168.0.12]>
References: <p06230905bfb75b5ba1c4@[192.168.0.12]>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0512030919060.8316@charmed.internetsolver.com>


On Sat, 3 Dec 2005, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
> I'm looking for short ones - 18"-3' or so....maybe less....is there anywhere 
> locally they are sold?  I've found an internet source but thought I'd check 
> here.

I think we might have one or two, you can check at 277-1280 after 10 this 
morning.

-- 
Dave Weis
djweis@internetsolver.com
http://www.internetsolver.com/

From alan at gohaddock.com  Sat Dec  3 09:25:37 2005
From: alan at gohaddock.com (Alan Hansen)
Date: Sat Dec  3 09:25:46 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] short Firewire cables?
In-Reply-To: <p06230905bfb75b5ba1c4@[192.168.0.12]>
Message-ID: <BFB71511.B45B%alan@gohaddock.com>

Victoria,

We have .5 Meter and 1.8 meter Firewire cables in stock.

Thanks,
Alan
On 12/3/05 8:26 AM, "Victoria L. Herring" <vlherring@herringlaw.com> wrote:

> I'm looking for short ones - 18"-3' or so....maybe less....is there
> anywhere locally they are sold?  I've found an internet source but
> thought I'd check here.





???? Please send mail to alan@gohaddock.com

Alan Hansen
Haddock Computer
801 73rd Street, Suite I, Windsor Heights, IA 50312
www.gohaddock.com (515) 225-9040 fax (515) 225-1264
iChat/AIM: AlanH@mac.com

Fax education orders toll free to 888-873-2775 or (888-USE-APPL)

Apple Sales Specialist,  Apple Authorized Education Agent #SA69327
Apple Service Provider Plus, Canon Video Dealer
Proud member of Apple's Service, Training and Reseller Advisory Boards


From cwsmith at mchsi.com  Sat Dec  3 09:42:48 2005
From: cwsmith at mchsi.com (CW Smith)
Date: Sat Dec  3 09:42:51 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] short Firewire cables?
In-Reply-To: <p06230905bfb75b5ba1c4@[192.168.0.12]>
Message-ID: <BFB71918.DEB%cwsmith@mchsi.com>

Victoria:

I have a 12" FireWire cable I keep in my laptop bag.  It came with a hard
drive enclosure or something like that.  I really don't use it, yours if you
like.

Give me a call at home and we'll work it out.

Peace,

CW

On 12/3/05 8:26 AM, "Victoria L. Herring" <vlherring@herringlaw.com> wrote:

> I'm looking for short ones - 18"-3' or so....maybe less....is there
> anywhere locally they are sold?  I've found an internet source but
> thought I'd check here.



-- 

Curt (CW) Smith
   Musician
   Audio / Video technician
   Windows / Macintosh consultant

705 Maple Street
Atlantic, Iowa 50022 USA

Phone:  (712) 243-1200
Mobile: (712) 254-0930

cwsmith@mchsi.com (home)
cwsmith@spymac.com (music)
winmactech@mchsi.com (technical)

http://cwsmith.spymac.com


From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Sat Dec  3 10:40:35 2005
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sat Dec  3 10:40:49 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] firewire cables
Message-ID: <p06230908bfb77ad8034f@[192.168.0.12]>

>  all sorts of other useful computer type knicknacks,
>try cyberguys.com - firewire cables at
>
>http://www.cyberguys.com/templates/searchproducts.asp?s=SP&dept=tch2&search=1ca26&child=1ca26&across=2&sort=new&ureq=y
>

I found some locally but here is the link to others online for those 
in need...thanks everyone
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and 
planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa, 
515-255-4475.  Photographs now on display at Borders Books & Cafe, 
West Des Moines:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Sat Dec  3 13:16:06 2005
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sat Dec  3 13:16:12 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Mac stuff via Freecycle...
Message-ID: <p0623090cbfb79f448cbf@[192.168.0.12]>


Message: 9
    Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:40:01 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
    From: Jay Murphy <jmurphy2006@earthlink.net>
Subject: OFFER:  APPLE Powerbook DUO DOCK

Hello People,


I bought a used Apple duo dock from ebay, but one problem, the guy 
didnt pack it right, the back of the dock is broken, dont know if it 
works out not, appears to be intact inside the case, when I opened it 
up.  This will work with any apple powerbook duo laptops, which 
require a dock to load software.  This will not work with any ibm 
compatible stuff.  Thought i would post this before it goes into the 
trash.


I am located between 60th street and 74th street in dallas county


Thanks

jay


Message: 10
    Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 02:03:39 -0000
    From: "Jayna" <jayna_1997@yahoo.com>
Subject: OFFER: or advice needed: Mac keyboards

I have a HUGE box of Macintosh keyboards that I got at an ISU sale. I
didn't realize they were Mac's and got this box before getting another
box of others to fit my need... Now they are in my way! I've posted
before, so I don't think anyone wants them, but if you do, COME GET
THEM!!!! Also, if anyone knows of a school or anywhere else that could
use them, please let me know... the thrift stores don't even want them
and I'd hate to throw them all away.
Mercy hosp area Des Moines




-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and 
planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa, 
515-255-4475.  Photographs now on display at Borders Books & Cafe, 
West Des Moines:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
From maccelerate at earthlink.net  Sat Dec  3 17:27:52 2005
From: maccelerate at earthlink.net (Matt W)
Date: Sat Dec  3 17:28:02 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] short Firewire cables?
In-Reply-To: <BFB71918.DEB%cwsmith@mchsi.com>
References: <BFB71918.DEB%cwsmith@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <A8B53DD9-381A-4708-B947-D87C41FD5581@earthlink.net>

owcomputing.com

On Dec 3, 2005, at 9:42 AM, CW Smith wrote:

> Victoria:
>
> I have a 12" FireWire cable I keep in my laptop bag.  It came with  
> a hard
> drive enclosure or something like that.  I really don't use it,  
> yours if you
> like.
>
> Give me a call at home and we'll work it out.
>
> Peace,
>
> CW
>
> On 12/3/05 8:26 AM, "Victoria L. Herring"  
> <vlherring@herringlaw.com> wrote:
>
>
>> I'm looking for short ones - 18"-3' or so....maybe less....is there
>> anywhere locally they are sold?  I've found an internet source but
>> thought I'd check here.
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
>
> Curt (CW) Smith
>    Musician
>    Audio / Video technician
>    Windows / Macintosh consultant
>
> 705 Maple Street
> Atlantic, Iowa 50022 USA
>
> Phone:  (712) 243-1200
> Mobile: (712) 254-0930
>
> cwsmith@mchsi.com (home)
> cwsmith@spymac.com (music)
> winmactech@mchsi.com (technical)
>
> http://cwsmith.spymac.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Dmmug@dmmug.org
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From alan.maupin at mchsi.com  Sat Dec  3 17:49:48 2005
From: alan.maupin at mchsi.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Sat Dec  3 17:50:42 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] short Firewire cables?
In-Reply-To: <p06230905bfb75b5ba1c4@[192.168.0.12]>
Message-ID: <20051203235039.AC9945802@www.cialug.org>

Victoria,

It might be a good idea to specify the type of connector's required on your
cable.  In my work I use three different cable/connector configurations. 6
pin to 6 pin, 4 pin to 4 pin, and 4 pin to 6 pin.

[1] 6-pin Firewire/IEEE-1394 connector [to] 6-pin Firewire/IEEE-1394
connector -- used to connect my firewire hard drives to a desktop PC.

[2] 4-pin Firewire/IEEE-1394 connector [to] 4-pin Firewire/IEEE-1394
connector -- used to connect my DV Cam to a Dell notebook computer.

[3] 4-pin Firewire/IEEE-1394 connector [to] 6-pin Firewire/IEEE-1394
connector -- use to connect my DV Cam to a desktop PC.

Most likely you can find firewire cables at Bestbuy, CompUSA and Radio
Shack.



-----Original Message-----
From: dmmug-bounces@dmmug.org [mailto:dmmug-bounces@dmmug.org] On Behalf Of
Victoria L. Herring
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 8:27 AM
To: MUG Des Moines
Subject: [DM-MUG] short Firewire cables?

I'm looking for short ones - 18"-3' or so....maybe less....is there 
anywhere locally they are sold?  I've found an internet source but 
thought I'd check here.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and 
planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa, 
515-255-4475.  Photographs now on display at Borders Books & Cafe, 
West Des Moines:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
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From JAJorgy at aol.com  Sat Dec  3 22:24:42 2005
From: JAJorgy at aol.com (JAJorgy@aol.com)
Date: Sat Dec  3 22:24:49 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Upgrading from Jaguar to Tiger???
Message-ID: <2be.748c67.30c3c98a@aol.com>

Can I update straight from Jaguar to Tiger bypassing Panther?   Or would I be 
satisfied with simply upgrading to Panther?   I can't update my Safari any 
further until I   do something, and some websites give me messages that I need 
to update Safari.

Thanks.
Jenny
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From jweida at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 22:56:33 2005
From: jweida at gmail.com (Jerry Heiselman)
Date: Sat Dec  3 22:56:36 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Upgrading from Jaguar to Tiger???
In-Reply-To: <2be.748c67.30c3c98a@aol.com>
References: <2be.748c67.30c3c98a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <40e57b5f0512032056n3933c59aha7b0591c4f24a9ee@mail.gmail.com>

I really like Tiger.  I have to admit though that I never used any
previous version of OS X for any length of time as I was a Windows
user until recently.

>From what I have read, Tiger was a significant enough upgrade to
warrant most  users upgrading to the latest and greatest.

Jerry

On 12/3/05, JAJorgy@aol.com <JAJorgy@aol.com> wrote:
> Can I update straight from Jaguar to Tiger bypassing Panther?  Or would I be
> satisfied with simply upgrading to Panther?  I can't update my Safari any
> further until I  do something, and some websites give me messages that I
> need to update Safari.
>
>  Thanks.
>  Jenny
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From cwsmith at mchsi.com  Sat Dec  3 23:48:28 2005
From: cwsmith at mchsi.com (CW Smith)
Date: Sat Dec  3 23:48:32 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Upgrading from Jaguar to Tiger???
In-Reply-To: <2be.748c67.30c3c98a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BFB7DF4C.DF7%cwsmith@mchsi.com>

As long as the following are true (minimum system requirements):

1. You?re installing from a full Tiger install DVD (not an upgrade DVD)
2. Your Mac has a DVD-ROM drive
3. Your Mac has a G3/G4/G5 processor and at least 256 MB RAM
4. Your Mac has built-in (Apple-installed) FireWire

You will have no problem jumping from Jaguar to Panther.

And you?ll really appreciate the difference.

Peace,
CW

On 12/3/05 10:24 PM, "JAJorgy@aol.com" <JAJorgy@aol.com> wrote:

> Can I update straight from Jaguar to Tiger bypassing Panther?   Or would I be
> satisfied with simply upgrading to Panther?   I can't update my Safari any
> further until I   do something, and some websites give me messages that I need
> to update Safari.
> 
> Thanks.
> Jenny
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Dmmug mailing list
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-- 

Curt (CW) Smith
   Musician
   Audio / Video technician
   Windows / Macintosh consultant

705 Maple Street
Atlantic, Iowa 50022 USA

Phone:  (712) 243-1200
Mobile: (712) 254-0930

cwsmith@mchsi.com (home)
cwsmith@spymac.com (music)
winmactech@mchsi.com (technical)

http://cwsmith.spymac.com

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From cwsmith at mchsi.com  Sat Dec  3 23:50:14 2005
From: cwsmith at mchsi.com (CW Smith)
Date: Sat Dec  3 23:50:20 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] (edited) Upgrading from Jaguar to Tiger???
In-Reply-To: <2be.748c67.30c3c98a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BFB7DFB6.DF9%cwsmith@mchsi.com>

As long as the following are true (minimum system requirements):

1. You?re installing from a full Tiger install DVD (not an upgrade DVD)
2. Your Mac has a DVD-ROM drive
3. Your Mac has a G3/G4/G5 processor and at least 256 MB RAM
4. Your Mac has built-in (Apple-installed) FireWire

You will have no problem jumping from Jaguar to TIGER (I said [Panther]
before ? woops. Wrong).

And you?ll really appreciate the difference.

Peace,
CW

On 12/3/05 10:24 PM, "JAJorgy@aol.com" <JAJorgy@aol.com> wrote:

> Can I update straight from Jaguar to Tiger bypassing Panther?   Or would I be
> satisfied with simply upgrading to Panther?   I can't update my Safari any
> further until I   do something, and some websites give me messages that I need
> to update Safari.
> 
> Thanks.
> Jenny
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Dmmug mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> Dmmug@dmmug.org
> Use this page to modify subscription options:
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-- 

Curt (CW) Smith
   Musician
   Audio / Video technician
   Windows / Macintosh consultant

705 Maple Street
Atlantic, Iowa 50022 USA

Phone:  (712) 243-1200
Mobile: (712) 254-0930

cwsmith@mchsi.com (home)
cwsmith@spymac.com (music)
winmactech@mchsi.com (technical)

http://cwsmith.spymac.com

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From maccelerate at earthlink.net  Sun Dec  4 00:28:30 2005
From: maccelerate at earthlink.net (Matt W)
Date: Sun Dec  4 00:28:34 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] short Firewire cables?
In-Reply-To: <20051203235039.AC9945802@www.cialug.org>
References: <20051203235039.AC9945802@www.cialug.org>
Message-ID: <C7992976-5806-4039-B5CE-9AE0C5223BCD@earthlink.net>

generally drive to source (Mac in this case, and I know her setup) is  
6 to 6 FW 400. Most retailers only sell "normal" sizes such as 6',  
9', and maybe 15'. Cyberguys or owcomputing will have the best  
variety including all the pin types and even adapters, though with  
current cable pricing, adapters are a little silly.

FW 800 is also not too common and only truly useful if running an  
external RAID.

matthew

On Dec 3, 2005, at 5:49 PM, Alan Maupin wrote:

> Victoria,
>
> It might be a good idea to specify the type of connector's required  
> on your
> cable.  In my work I use three different cable/connector  
> configurations. 6
> pin to 6 pin, 4 pin to 4 pin, and 4 pin to 6 pin.
>
> [1] 6-pin Firewire/IEEE-1394 connector [to] 6-pin Firewire/IEEE-1394
> connector -- used to connect my firewire hard drives to a desktop PC.
>
> [2] 4-pin Firewire/IEEE-1394 connector [to] 4-pin Firewire/IEEE-1394
> connector -- used to connect my DV Cam to a Dell notebook computer.
>
> [3] 4-pin Firewire/IEEE-1394 connector [to] 6-pin Firewire/IEEE-1394
> connector -- use to connect my DV Cam to a desktop PC.
>
> Most likely you can find firewire cables at Bestbuy, CompUSA and Radio
> Shack.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dmmug-bounces@dmmug.org [mailto:dmmug-bounces@dmmug.org] On  
> Behalf Of
> Victoria L. Herring
> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 8:27 AM
> To: MUG Des Moines
> Subject: [DM-MUG] short Firewire cables?
>
> I'm looking for short ones - 18"-3' or so....maybe less....is there
> anywhere locally they are sold?  I've found an internet source but
> thought I'd check here.
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination &
> Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and
> planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa,
> 515-255-4475.  Photographs now on display at Borders Books & Cafe,
> West Des Moines:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
> _______________________________________________
> Dmmug mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
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From alan.maupin at mchsi.com  Sun Dec  4 01:01:52 2005
From: alan.maupin at mchsi.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Sun Dec  4 01:02:55 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] (edited) Upgrading from Jaguar to Tiger???
In-Reply-To: <BFB7DFB6.DF9%cwsmith@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <20051204070253.6F12F5C28@www.cialug.org>

CW, 

 

Would you by chance know the minimum hard drive capacity for a Tiger
installation?  

 

  _____  

From: dmmug-bounces@dmmug.org [mailto:dmmug-bounces@dmmug.org] On Behalf Of
CW Smith
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 11:50 PM
To: Des Moines Mac Users Group
Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] (edited) Upgrading from Jaguar to Tiger???

 

As long as the following are true (minimum system requirements):

1.	You're installing from a full Tiger install DVD (not an upgrade DVD)

2.	Your Mac has a DVD-ROM drive 
3.	Your Mac has a G3/G4/G5 processor and at least 256 MB RAM 
4.	Your Mac has built-in (Apple-installed) FireWire


You will have no problem jumping from Jaguar to TIGER (I said [Panther]
before - woops. Wrong).

And you'll really appreciate the difference.

Peace,
CW

On 12/3/05 10:24 PM, "JAJorgy@aol.com" <JAJorgy@aol.com> wrote:

Can I update straight from Jaguar to Tiger bypassing Panther?   Or would I
be satisfied with simply upgrading to Panther?   I can't update my Safari
any further until I   do something, and some websites give me messages that
I need to update Safari.

Thanks.
Jenny

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Phone:  (712) 243-1200
Mobile: (712) 254-0930

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From maccelerate at earthlink.net  Sun Dec  4 01:03:29 2005
From: maccelerate at earthlink.net (Matt W)
Date: Sun Dec  4 01:03:33 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] (edited) Upgrading from Jaguar to Tiger???
In-Reply-To: <BFB7DFB6.DF9%cwsmith@mchsi.com>
References: <BFB7DFB6.DF9%cwsmith@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <3D824C56-1AF1-404E-998E-66316CCEA57E@earthlink.net>

You won't save money by stopping at Panther just to find that some  
app next year only runs on Tiger. I'd probably add, though, that it  
might make a lot of sense to have at least two clones of your old  
system before taking the plunge. One I'd keep as a backup, and the  
other I'd do an "Archive and Install" upgrade on. I wouldn't do a  
standard upgrade, I've seen too many weird problems with this. Even  
Archive and Install can leave an imprint on the system if you don't  
carefully check all your previous apps, and utilities for Tiger  
conformity.

I'd highly recommend starting over from a complete format of the  
drive and clean install of the system. It takes time to get the  
system looking like it did before, but it will net you the best  
performance from the install, no leftover crud in the system, and a  
chance to make sure all your apps are fully Tiger-compatible when you  
re-install them one-at-a-time, and then test each app carefully.

...Right. Yes, I fully realize that only about .001 percent of  
computer users actually do this, but then again, that's why I have a  
job.

Matthew

On Dec 3, 2005, at 11:50 PM, CW Smith wrote:

> As long as the following are true (minimum system requirements):
>
> You?re installing from a full Tiger install DVD (not an upgrade DVD)
> Your Mac has a DVD-ROM drive
> Your Mac has a G3/G4/G5 processor and at least 256 MB RAM
> Your Mac has built-in (Apple-installed) FireWire
>
> You will have no problem jumping from Jaguar to TIGER (I said  
> [Panther] before ? woops. Wrong).
>
> And you?ll really appreciate the difference.
>
> Peace,
> CW
>
> On 12/3/05 10:24 PM, "JAJorgy@aol.com" <JAJorgy@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Can I update straight from Jaguar to Tiger bypassing Panther?   Or  
>> would I be satisfied with simply upgrading to Panther?   I can't  
>> update my Safari any further until I   do something, and some  
>> websites give me messages that I need to update Safari.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Jenny
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>
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>
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> Atlantic, Iowa 50022 USA
>
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> Mobile: (712) 254-0930
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From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Sun Dec  4 07:31:01 2005
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sun Dec  4 07:34:14 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] short Firewire cables?
In-Reply-To: <20051203235039.AC9945802@www.cialug.org>
References: <20051203235039.AC9945802@www.cialug.org>
Message-ID: <p06230915bfb89ef079be@[192.168.0.12]>

>Victoria,
>
>It might be a good idea to specify the type of connector's required on your
>cable.  In my work I use three different cable/connector configurations. 6
>pin to 6 pin, 4 pin to 4 pin, and 4 pin to 6 pin.
>
>[1] 6-pin Firewire/IEEE-1394 connector [to] 6-pin Firewire/IEEE-1394
>connector -- used to connect my firewire hard drives to a desktop PC.
>

Thanks much Alan.and Matthew ...I'll probably be looking for the 6 to 
6...it's not readily apparent from the 'port' but I gather from 
others here and other info,and Matt's confirmation- that'd be 
right...and I'll check out your suggestions -- from my MacLaw list 
comes the following==

At 1:26 PM -0600 12/2/05, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
>   I would gather that they're prety much the same?  IEEE1394
>6pin to 4pin male??  some are white, some are clear, etc...I assume
>color means nothing...so the only issue is length?

Actually, it makes a big difference. I've seen the effects of
inferior cabling and it ain't pretty. If you can, get the more
inflexible, non-transparent Molex cables.

  From a post a few months ago from an engineer for whom I've great
respect as a straightshooter:
=====
>I get dozens and dozens of customers who's unstable FireWire devices are
>stabilized from cable replacement.
>
>Both Molex and Belkin have told me that their cables are made to high
>specification, but so "should" other cables. The fact is, that they are
>not. Maybe other manufacturers shortcut, do not build to their published
>specifications, or whatever. the fact is, the low priced cables shipped
>with most FireWire boxes are designed and tested for single device use,
>not for daisy chaining and heavy I/O.
>
>Note the inferior iSight cable, and the many FireWire problems attributed
>to it, including data loss scenarios.
>
>In one round of serious testing VST (now Smartdisk) did with cabling, the
>transparent cables had much higher electrical noise levels. they also
>found many cables did not live up to their supposed speccifications. So
>they spent 50% more to ship these inflexible Molex cables that some
>customers complained about (wanting prettier cables!), but they worked.
>
>I will stop here. But FireWire cables can make a huge difference in
>system reliability, especially in systems with multiple drives attached,
>and you are doing heavy work transferring from one disk to another, or
>using RAID software. the first thing I do if I get a FireWire bus glitch
>is replace the cables. Amazing how often that works.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and 
planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa, 
515-255-4475.  Photographs now on display at Borders Books & Cafe, 
West Des Moines:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Sun Dec  4 07:58:35 2005
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sun Dec  4 07:58:48 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: OS X Tiger 10.4.3 Retail - $99;
Message-ID: <p06230918bfb8a6503437@[192.168.0.12]>

>Hot Deals Blast December 3rd, 2005
>Prices, Terms, and Availability subject to change without notice.
>======================================
>
>Apple OS X 'Tiger' 10.4.3 Now Available in Retail Box - $99.00
>-------------------------------------------------------------
>If you haven't yet upgraded to Tiger, the time might just be right. 
>10.4.3 on DVD means you're starting with the latest release, no 
>giant updates required. Faster, More Feature Laden - Tiger is 
>Apple's Best OS X Yet!
>$99 for Single User, $199 5-User <http://eshop.macsales.com/?mkt=1380>


-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and 
planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa, 
515-255-4475.  Photographs now on display at Borders Books & Cafe, 
West Des Moines:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Sun Dec  4 08:19:01 2005
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sun Dec  4 08:20:00 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Q ref internal HDs to add to G5
Message-ID: <p0623091bbfb8a8bec5f3@[192.168.0.12]>

I have a Dual G5 that has a 140G internal drive but I could use a 2nd 
in the bay....OWC has some deals [Seagate is the manufacturer] and 
I'll check around, but any suggestions as to solid, reliable makers 
of such ...CompUSA carries them too I think...


next Q -- evidently there is a Serial ATA and a Serial ATA II...any 
reason to get either one?

For all PowerMac G5s, iMac G5s:
400GB 7200RPM 8MB Buffer Seagate 7200.8 3.5" SATA HD $245.00
<http://eshop.macsales.com/?mkt=1172>
320GB 7200RPM 8MB Buffer Western Digital Caviar 3.5" SATA HD $149.00
<http://eshop.macsales.com/?mkt=1365>
250GB 7200RPM 8MB Buffer Hitachi T7K250 7200.8 3.5" SATA HD $115.00
<http://eshop.macsales.com/?mkt=1310>
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and 
planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa, 
515-255-4475.  Photographs now on display at Borders Books & Cafe, 
West Des Moines:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Sun Dec  4 08:06:40 2005
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sun Dec  4 08:20:01 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] MS Wireless Intellimouse Explorer 2 issue
Message-ID: <p0623091abfb8a7e49305@[192.168.0.12]>

I bought this with the ergonomic MS keyboard and like them both and 
they both work well other than the Right click button on the Mouse no 
longer works.  I have downloaded and reinstalled 3x the software for 
the mouse but it still isn't recognized...the L button works fine but 
I like the alternative to be there too...for the price of calling or 
emailing MS for support [$35] I can probably replace the mouse...but 
do I need to?  and if I do, can I just buy any old same-type Mouse 
and it'll work with the wireless frequency that now works fine with 
the keyboard???
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and 
planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa, 
515-255-4475.  Photographs now on display at Borders Books & Cafe, 
West Des Moines:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
From susan at lisco.com  Sun Dec  4 08:59:17 2005
From: susan at lisco.com (Susan Seifert)
Date: Sun Dec  4 08:59:24 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Q ref internal HDs to add to G5
In-Reply-To: <p0623091bbfb8a8bec5f3@[192.168.0.12]>
References: <p0623091bbfb8a8bec5f3@[192.168.0.12]>
Message-ID: <p0623090abfb8b48a4bb0@[10.0.1.2]>

At 8:19 AM -0600 12/4/05, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
>I have a Dual G5 that has a 140G internal drive but I could use a 2nd
>in the bay....OWC has some deals [Seagate is the manufacturer] and
>I'll check around, but any suggestions as to solid, reliable makers
>of such ...CompUSA carries them too I think...
>

Seagate has the best reputation for reliability, and their warranty is 5
yrs, while others' are 1 year.

-- 




..............................

Susan Seifert
susan@lisco.com
From rbowler at mchsi.com  Sun Dec  4 10:20:31 2005
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Sun Dec  4 10:20:34 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] (edited) Upgrading from Jaguar to Tiger???
In-Reply-To: <3D824C56-1AF1-404E-998E-66316CCEA57E@earthlink.net>
References: <BFB7DFB6.DF9%cwsmith@mchsi.com>
	<3D824C56-1AF1-404E-998E-66316CCEA57E@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <a06210200bfb8c6cb5ea5@[10.0.1.4]>

I have upgraded from Jaguar and from Panther to Tiger. In both cases 
I made three bakups to a firewire drive, unmounted them while I did 
an erase and install, then used Migration assistant to retrieve the 
old user data and applications from one of the backups. In the case 
of my wife's iBook this cleared a long standing problem she had.

At 1:03 AM -0600 12/4/05, Matt W wrote:
>You won't save money by stopping at Panther just to find that some 
>app next year only runs on Tiger. I'd probably add, though, that it 
>might make a lot of sense to have at least two clones of your old 
>system before taking the plunge. One I'd keep as a backup, and the 
>other I'd do an "Archive and Install" upgrade on. I wouldn't do a 
>standard upgrade, I've seen too many weird problems with this. Even 
>Archive and Install can leave an imprint on the system if you don't 
>carefully check all your previous apps, and utilities for Tiger 
>conformity.
>
>I'd highly recommend starting over from a complete format of the 
>drive and clean install of the system. It takes time to get the 
>system looking like it did before, but it will net you the best 
>performance from the install, no leftover crud in the system, and a 
>chance to make sure all your apps are fully Tiger-compatible when 
>you re-install them one-at-a-time, and then test each app carefully.
>
>...Right. Yes, I fully realize that only about .001 percent of 
>computer users actually do this, but then again, that's why I have a 
>job.
>
>Matthew
>
>On Dec 3, 2005, at 11:50 PM, CW Smith wrote:
>
>>As long as the following are true (minimum system requirements):
>>
>>1.	You're installing from a full Tiger install DVD (not an upgrade DVD)
>>2.	Your Mac has a DVD-ROM drive
>>3.	Your Mac has a G3/G4/G5 processor and at least 256 MB RAM
>>4.	Your Mac has built-in (Apple-installed) FireWire
>>
>>
>>You will have no problem jumping from Jaguar to TIGER (I said 
>>[Panther] before - woops. Wrong).
>>
>>And you'll really appreciate the difference.
>>
>>Peace,
>>CW
>>
>>On 12/3/05 10:24 PM, "<mailto:JAJorgy@aol.com>JAJorgy@aol.com" 
>><<mailto:JAJorgy@aol.com>JAJorgy@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Can I update straight from Jaguar to Tiger bypassing Panther? Or 
>>>would I be satisfied with simply upgrading to Panther? I can't 
>>>update my Safari any further until I do something, and some 
>>>websites give me messages that I need to update Safari.
>>>
>>>Thanks.
>>>Jenny
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
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>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>
>>Curt (CW) Smith
>>Musician
>>Audio / Video technician
>>Windows / Macintosh consultant
>>
>>705 Maple Street
>>Atlantic, Iowa 50022 USA
>>
>>Phone: (712) 243-1200
>>Mobile: (712) 254-0930
>>
>><mailto:cwsmith@mchsi.com>cwsmith@mchsi.com (home)
>><mailto:cwsmith@spymac.com>cwsmith@spymac.com (music)
>><mailto:winmactech@mchsi.com>winmactech@mchsi.com (technical)
>>
>><http://cwsmith.spymac.com>http://cwsmith.spymac.com
>>
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From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Sun Dec  4 10:24:54 2005
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sun Dec  4 10:25:18 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Q ref internal HDs to add to G5
In-Reply-To: <p0623090abfb8b48a4bb0@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <p0623091bbfb8a8bec5f3@[192.168.0.12]>
	<p0623090abfb8b48a4bb0@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <p06230900bfb8c8974367@[192.168.0.5]>

Thanks much...another Q == if one has 2 HDs inside the G5 does one 
put a copy of Tiger on each?  or just use #2 as a regular external HD 
would be used...or is there a stripped down Tiger that would go on it 
ijust in case??  I assume one would boot from the HD already being 
booted from...
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and 
planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa, 
515-255-4475.  Photographs now on display at Borders Books & Cafe, 
West Des Moines:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
From alan.maupin at mchsi.com  Sun Dec  4 10:37:19 2005
From: alan.maupin at mchsi.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Sun Dec  4 10:38:18 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Q ref internal HDs to add to G5
In-Reply-To: <p06230900bfb8c8974367@[192.168.0.5]>
Message-ID: <20051204163813.36E6B5BA5@www.cialug.org>

Good Question!  I would like to expand on that by asking if it is possible
to configure two internal and otherwise identical G5 hard drives as a RAID-0
partition, in which Tiger could be installed, and from which the system
could susequently be booted.

-----Original Message-----
From: dmmug-bounces@dmmug.org [mailto:dmmug-bounces@dmmug.org] On Behalf Of
Victoria L. Herring
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 10:25 AM
To: Des Moines Mac Users Group
Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Q ref internal HDs to add to G5

Thanks much...another Q == if one has 2 HDs inside the G5 does one 
put a copy of Tiger on each?  or just use #2 as a regular external HD 
would be used...or is there a stripped down Tiger that would go on it 
ijust in case??  I assume one would boot from the HD already being 
booted from...
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and 
planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa, 
515-255-4475.  Photographs now on display at Borders Books & Cafe, 
West Des Moines:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
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From cwsmith at mchsi.com  Sun Dec  4 10:47:09 2005
From: cwsmith at mchsi.com (CW Smith)
Date: Sun Dec  4 10:47:12 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] (edited) Upgrading from Jaguar to Tiger???
In-Reply-To: <20051204070253.6F12F5C28@www.cialug.org>
Message-ID: <BFB879AD.E08%cwsmith@mchsi.com>

The listed system requirements say 3 GB minimum free HD space.  I?m pretty
certain that at least some of this is temporary, and will be freed up again
after installation (esp. for an upgrade), but don?t take this as gospel.

Good luck!

On 12/4/05 1:01 AM, "Alan Maupin" <alan.maupin@mchsi.com> wrote:

> CW, 
>  
> Would you by chance know the minimum hard drive capacity for a Tiger
> installation?  
>  


-- 

Curt (CW) Smith
   Musician
   Audio / Video technician
   Windows / Macintosh consultant

705 Maple Street
Atlantic, Iowa 50022 USA

Phone:  (712) 243-1200
Mobile: (712) 254-0930

cwsmith@mchsi.com (home)
cwsmith@spymac.com (music)
winmactech@mchsi.com (technical)

http://cwsmith.spymac.com

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From JAJorgy at aol.com  Sun Dec  4 18:02:04 2005
From: JAJorgy at aol.com (JAJorgy@aol.com)
Date: Sun Dec  4 18:02:09 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Digital Camera Compatibility
Message-ID: <29d.1056316.30c4dd7c@aol.com>

First, thanks for the answers about upgrading from Jaguar to Tiger.   It was 
very helpful information.   

I have another question.   We are looking for a digital camera for our 
college age son.   He doesn't care much about zoom.   We think we have a good grasp 
on the megapixels.   My question is this:   are there any digital cameras that 
will not be compatible with his iBook?   Are there any we should not 
consider?   We want to stay under $200, preferably under $150 or thereabouts.   He can 
buy a more expensive one when he's out of school.   When I ask sales people 
about Mac compatibility no one seems to know much..... if anything.

Thanks for any guidance you might have.
Jenny
Sioux City
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From billd at ecity.net  Sun Dec  4 18:25:13 2005
From: billd at ecity.net (Bill Davis)
Date: Sun Dec  4 18:25:23 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Digital Camera Compatibility
In-Reply-To: <29d.1056316.30c4dd7c@aol.com>
References: <29d.1056316.30c4dd7c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <D99681AE-D156-4C09-92CE-18145EE1BC69@ecity.net>

Check the box.  If it's Mac compatible it should say so somewhere on  
the box or in the specs.  Check to see if it says MacOS X compatible  
too.  If it doesn't say Mac and Mac OS X compatible, search the web  
site of the vendor if you really want that model.  If it doesn't say  
Mac compatible, don't buy it.

If it has a memory card, it's more likely you can at least pop the  
card out of the unit and into a card reader on your Mac (you'll have  
to buy a reader or adapter too).   Also, if you don't want to go the  
card reader route, make sure that camera supports USB on the Mac for  
image transfer.

  - Bill


On Dec 4, 2005, at 6:02 PM, JAJorgy@aol.com wrote:

> First, thanks for the answers about upgrading from Jaguar to  
> Tiger.  It was very helpful information.
>
> I have another question.  We are looking for a digital camera for  
> our college age son.  He doesn't care much about zoom.  We think we  
> have a good grasp on the megapixels.  My question is this:  are  
> there any digital cameras that will not be compatible with his  
> iBook?  Are there any we should not consider?  We want to stay  
> under $200, preferably under $150 or thereabouts.  He can buy a  
> more expensive one when he's out of school.  When I ask sales  
> people about Mac compatibility no one seems to know much..... if  
> anything.
>
> Thanks for any guidance you might have.
> Jenny
> Sioux City
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From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Sun Dec  4 18:26:38 2005
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sun Dec  4 18:26:51 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Digital Camera Compatibility
In-Reply-To: <29d.1056316.30c4dd7c@aol.com>
References: <29d.1056316.30c4dd7c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <p0623090bbfb93954b012@[192.168.0.12]>

you shouldn't have any problems since Apple/Mac has a strong presence 
in the creative world = go to their website/store and see the brands 
there and you'll see what Apple at least thinks works well but really 
any camera will work...the Q is to put the pics into the 
computer...you'll either need direct connection [uSB is pretty 
standard] or a card reader which is fairly inexpensive and portable 
and can take more than one type of connection plus not wear out the 
camera batteries...

>First, thanks for the answers about upgrading from Jaguar to Tiger. 
>It was very helpful information. 
>
>I have another question.  We are looking for a digital camera for 
>our college age son.  He doesn't care much about zoom.  We think we 
>have a good grasp on the megapixels.  My question is this:  are 
>there any digital cameras that will not be compatible with his 
>iBook?  Are there any we should not consider?  We want to stay under 
>$200, preferably under $150 or thereabouts.  He can buy a more 
>expensive one when he's out of school.  When I ask sales people 
>about Mac compatibility no one seems to know much..... if anything.
>
>Thanks for any guidance you might have.
>Jenny
>Sioux City

-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and 
planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa, 
515-255-4475.  Photographs now on display at Borders Books & Cafe, 
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From cwsmith at mchsi.com  Sun Dec  4 19:28:27 2005
From: cwsmith at mchsi.com (CW Smith)
Date: Sun Dec  4 19:31:50 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Digital Camera Compatibility
In-Reply-To: <29d.1056316.30c4dd7c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BFB8F3DB.E0E%cwsmith@mchsi.com>

I recently bought a digital camera at Radio Shack (I know ? big mistake, but
it seemed like such a good deal ...).  Got the camera home and plugged it
into my iBook, and the camera came up on the desktop just like a hard drive
or flash drive.  Trouble was, the picture files were in a proprietary RAW
format that Preview, Photoshop, and Jview didn?t recognize.  Turns out you
can only read the RAW images from the bundled software ? for Windows only.

My advice:  Bring your iBook into the store.  Ask to take a couple pictures
with a demo model of the camera.  Plug it into the iBook.  See whether you
can OPEN the picture files (not just access them).  If you can?t read the
files, no go.

Been there, done that.

I?ve had good luck with the HP and Nikon digital cameras, and I would guess
that Sony?s would probably be compatible too (their digital video cameras
certainly are).  Beyond that, TRY IT OUT in a ?real world? test.

Peace,
CW


On 12/4/05 6:02 PM, "JAJorgy@aol.com" <JAJorgy@aol.com> wrote:

> First, thanks for the answers about upgrading from Jaguar to Tiger.   It was
> very helpful information.
> 
> I have another question.   We are looking for a digital camera for our college
> age son.   He doesn't care much about zoom.   We think we have a good grasp on
> the megapixels.   My question is this:   are there any digital cameras that
> will not be compatible with his iBook?   Are there any we should not consider?
> We want to stay under $200, preferably under $150 or thereabouts.   He can buy
> a more expensive one when he's out of school.   When I ask sales people about
> Mac compatibility no one seems to know much..... if anything.
> 
> Thanks for any guidance you might have.
> Jenny
> Sioux City
> 
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Curt (CW) Smith
   Musician
   Audio / Video technician
   Windows / Macintosh consultant

705 Maple Street
Atlantic, Iowa 50022 USA

Phone:  (712) 243-1200
Mobile: (712) 254-0930

cwsmith@mchsi.com (home)
cwsmith@spymac.com (music)
winmactech@mchsi.com (technical)

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From jersher1 at fbx.com  Sun Dec  4 20:06:53 2005
From: jersher1 at fbx.com (Jerrold Swinton)
Date: Sun Dec  4 20:07:21 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] IPhoto
Message-ID: <CDF0D7EB-6533-11DA-A578-000393705C10@fbx.com>

Since there have been questions about a digital camera, I'd like to add 
one. We finally got around to buying a digital, I've figured out how to 
get the pictures to IPhoto. Now I would like to incorporate a picture 
into our Christmas letter that I'm doing in Appleworks.  How to do it? 
Help!  (I am glad to read how in Help, but I can't find the topic.)

Sherry

From maccelerate at earthlink.net  Sun Dec  4 21:24:57 2005
From: maccelerate at earthlink.net (Matt W)
Date: Sun Dec  4 21:25:01 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Q ref internal HDs to add to G5
In-Reply-To: <p0623090abfb8b48a4bb0@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <p0623091bbfb8a8bec5f3@[192.168.0.12]>
	<p0623090abfb8b48a4bb0@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <FD60EE1B-4D07-41EB-A38E-9F58C670FB18@earthlink.net>

Seagate is but ONE manf. of drives with a 5-year warranty. Western  
Digital also sells drives with 5-year warranties. I believe Samsung  
has a 5-year. There are many choices now from 1-5. You get what you  
pay for.

I have seen all drives fail, but Seagate seems to be the current  
opinion favorite. I won't buy a drive without at least a 3-year  
warranty. I've dealt with Seagate and Western Digital and in each  
case of failure, the replacement process was very simple. This is a  
valuable component of the warranty that gets missed. Can you actually  
replace the drive easily?

Most PC manf's save money by purchasing cheaper, lower-quality drives  
from lots that have a poor yield ratio and they often go bad in a  
year or two. Traditionally, a REAL reason why Apple boxes cost more  
is because they chose higher-quality lots that passed more QA tests.  
I don't know if this is still true.

MW

On Dec 4, 2005, at 8:59 AM, Susan Seifert wrote:
>
> Seagate has the best reputation for reliability, and their warranty  
> is 5
> yrs, while others' are 1 year.
>
From alan.maupin at mchsi.com  Sun Dec  4 21:34:26 2005
From: alan.maupin at mchsi.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Sun Dec  4 21:35:33 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Digital Camera Compatibility
In-Reply-To: <BFB8F3DB.E0E%cwsmith@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <20051205033530.D55475C7B@www.cialug.org>

CW,

 

It is my understanding that the RAW format is not necessarily a proprietary
format.  RAW is a desired format among enthusiast since the data is
uncompressed.  Photoshop has a RAW plugin for download at their web site.  

 

  _____  

From: dmmug-bounces@dmmug.org [mailto:dmmug-bounces@dmmug.org] On Behalf Of
CW Smith
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 7:28 PM
To: Des Moines Mac Users Group
Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Digital Camera Compatibility

 

I recently bought a digital camera at Radio Shack (I know - big mistake, but
it seemed like such a good deal ...).  Got the camera home and plugged it
into my iBook, and the camera came up on the desktop just like a hard drive
or flash drive.  Trouble was, the picture files were in a proprietary RAW
format that Preview, Photoshop, and Jview didn't recognize.  Turns out you
can only read the RAW images from the bundled software - for Windows only.

My advice:  Bring your iBook into the store.  Ask to take a couple pictures
with a demo model of the camera.  Plug it into the iBook.  See whether you
can OPEN the picture files (not just access them).  If you can't read the
files, no go.

Been there, done that.

I've had good luck with the HP and Nikon digital cameras, and I would guess
that Sony's would probably be compatible too (their digital video cameras
certainly are).  Beyond that, TRY IT OUT in a "real world" test.

Peace,
CW


On 12/4/05 6:02 PM, "JAJorgy@aol.com" <JAJorgy@aol.com> wrote:

First, thanks for the answers about upgrading from Jaguar to Tiger.   It was
very helpful information.   

I have another question.   We are looking for a digital camera for our
college age son.   He doesn't care much about zoom.   We think we have a
good grasp on the megapixels.   My question is this:   are there any digital
cameras that will not be compatible with his iBook?   Are there any we
should not consider?   We want to stay under $200, preferably under $150 or
thereabouts.   He can buy a more expensive one when he's out of school.
When I ask sales people about Mac compatibility no one seems to know
much..... if anything.

Thanks for any guidance you might have.
Jenny
Sioux City

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Curt (CW) Smith
   Musician
   Audio / Video technician
   Windows / Macintosh consultant

705 Maple Street
Atlantic, Iowa 50022 USA

Phone:  (712) 243-1200
Mobile: (712) 254-0930

cwsmith@mchsi.com (home)
cwsmith@spymac.com (music)
winmactech@mchsi.com (technical)

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From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Sun Dec  4 22:05:27 2005
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sun Dec  4 22:08:05 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Digital Camera Compatibility
In-Reply-To: <BFB8F3DB.E0E%cwsmith@mchsi.com>
References: <BFB8F3DB.E0E%cwsmith@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <p0623090fbfb96cb2ba0f@[192.168.0.12]>

>  Turns out you can only read the RAW images from the bundled 
>software - for Windows only.

RAW is very special and prized.... it's what Aperature works with and 
is probably overkill for a college student and an <$200 camera.... 
iPhoto evidently won't work with RAW either = maybe Graphic Converter 
will???  For myself, the idea of getting Aperature looks better and 
better....
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and 
planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa, 
515-255-4475.  Photographs now on display at Borders Books & Cafe, 
West Des Moines:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
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From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Sun Dec  4 22:07:23 2005
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sun Dec  4 22:08:06 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] IPhoto
In-Reply-To: <CDF0D7EB-6533-11DA-A578-000393705C10@fbx.com>
References: <CDF0D7EB-6533-11DA-A578-000393705C10@fbx.com>
Message-ID: <p06230910bfb96d19d248@[192.168.0.12]>

>Since there have been questions about a digital camera, I'd like to 
>add one. We finally got around to buying a digital, I've figured out 
>how to get the pictures to IPhoto. Now I would like to incorporate a 
>picture into our Christmas letter that I'm doing in Appleworks.  How 
>to do it? Help!  (I am glad to read how in Help, but I can't find 
>the topic.)
>
>Sherry

my recall is you can create an image and then import/insert it into 
your AWKs document...but you may just as easily cut and paste the 
picture onto your letter and then run the prints at Copy Max or 
whatever...depends on how fancy you want to be and your 
budget....This year I decided to do a short letter and include a 4x6 
picture == some will toss it and others will want it and it'll be 
nice for them to have it without insisting they keep the letter on 
hand.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and 
planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa, 
515-255-4475.  Photographs now on display at Borders Books & Cafe, 
West Des Moines:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
From alan.maupin at mchsi.com  Sun Dec  4 22:33:01 2005
From: alan.maupin at mchsi.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Sun Dec  4 22:34:04 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Aperture .v Photoshop
In-Reply-To: <p0623090fbfb96cb2ba0f@[192.168.0.12]>
Message-ID: <20051205043401.EB0BF5802@www.cialug.org>

A quote from the Apple Aperture Webpage.

 


"Round-trip Photoshop support.  Aperture lets you launch directly into Adobe
Photoshop with a single-click. There, you can take advantage of Photoshop's
strong compositing and layer effects, and when you're done making
modifications, simply save the file. Your modified image will automatically
be added to your Aperture library as a version of the original file, where
you can manage it easily in a Project or Album. "


I can't help but wonder why a photographic program (Aperture) would
advertise the benefits of using another sepererate photographic program
(Adobe Photoshop), and especially a program (Aperture) listing for $500.
This quote seems to be telling us that Photoshop is the benchmark graphical
image manipulation program.  And this begs the question; why do we need
Aperture?  For $500 I would expect Aperture to at least attempt to compete
with Photoshop, not glorify the benefit of Photoshop instead.


 

 

  _____  

From: dmmug-bounces@dmmug.org [mailto:dmmug-bounces@dmmug.org] On Behalf Of
Victoria L. Herring
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 10:05 PM
To: Des Moines Mac Users Group
Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Digital Camera Compatibility

 

 Turns out you can only read the RAW images from the bundled software - for
Windows only.

 

RAW is very special and prized.... it's what Aperature works with and is
probably overkill for a college student and an <$200 camera.... iPhoto
evidently won't work with RAW either = maybe Graphic Converter will???  For
myself, the idea of getting Aperature looks better and better....

-- 

Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & Employment
Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and planning,
<http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa, 515-255-4475.  Photographs
now on display at Borders Books & Cafe, West Des Moines:
http://victoriajz.smugmug.com

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From cwsmith at mchsi.com  Sun Dec  4 22:39:07 2005
From: cwsmith at mchsi.com (cwsmith@mchsi.com)
Date: Sun Dec  4 22:39:10 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Digital Camera Compatibility
Message-ID: <120520050439.7444.4393C46B000737D000001D142197913363089B07039C990C@mchsi.com>

This particular RAW format was proprietary -- not recognized by iPhoto, Preview, Photoshop, JView, or 
any other photo program I have installed.  Only the bundled software that came with the camera would 
read their RAW format.  And that was Windows-only.

I'm just trying to point out that it's a good idea to TEST THE CAMERA on your own setup before you 
decide to spend your hard-earned duckets.


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From maccelerate at earthlink.net  Sun Dec  4 22:43:01 2005
From: maccelerate at earthlink.net (Matt W)
Date: Sun Dec  4 22:43:09 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Aperture .v Photoshop
In-Reply-To: <20051205043401.EB0BF5802@www.cialug.org>
References: <20051205043401.EB0BF5802@www.cialug.org>
Message-ID: <900F1BBC-5E38-432E-AAE5-A8D97D82C2DB@earthlink.net>

I'm marginally surprised that no one has mentioned that iLife '05 has  
native RAW support.

<http://www.apple.com/ilife/iphoto/import.html>

For wondering why Apple advertises Photoshop... They want Adobe to  
keep making Photoshop for Mac. There is great debate about whether  
Aperture is going to eventually kill Photoshop on the Mac (remember  
Premier--I almost didn't). It's not even close right now, but in a  
few years...? At least Adobe has competition now.

Matthew

On Dec 4, 2005, at 10:33 PM, Alan Maupin wrote:

> A quote from the Apple Aperture Webpage.
>
>
>
> ?Round-trip Photoshop support.  Aperture lets you launch directly  
> into Adobe Photoshop with a single-click. There, you can take  
> advantage of Photoshop?s strong compositing and layer effects, and  
> when you?re done making modifications, simply save the file. Your  
> modified image will automatically be added to your Aperture library  
> as a version of the original file, where you can manage it easily  
> in a Project or Album. ?
>
> I can?t help but wonder why a photographic program (Aperture) would  
> advertise the benefits of using another sepererate photographic  
> program (Adobe Photoshop), and especially a program (Aperture)  
> listing for $500.  This quote seems to be telling us that Photoshop  
> is the benchmark graphical image manipulation program.  And this  
> begs the question; why do we need Aperture?  For $500 I would  
> expect Aperture to at least attempt to compete with Photoshop, not  
> glorify the benefit of Photoshop instead.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: dmmug-bounces@dmmug.org [mailto:dmmug-bounces@dmmug.org] On  
> Behalf Of Victoria L. Herring
> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 10:05 PM
> To: Des Moines Mac Users Group
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Digital Camera Compatibility
>
>
>
>  Turns out you can only read the RAW images from the bundled  
> software - for Windows only.
>
>
>
> RAW is very special and prized.... it's what Aperature works with  
> and is probably overkill for a college student and an <$200  
> camera.... iPhoto evidently won't work with RAW either = maybe  
> Graphic Converter will???  For myself, the idea of getting  
> Aperature looks better and better....
>
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination &  
> Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and  
> planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa,  
> 515-255-4475.  Photographs now on display at Borders Books & Cafe,  
> West Des Moines:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
>
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From maccelerate at earthlink.net  Sun Dec  4 22:51:48 2005
From: maccelerate at earthlink.net (Matt W)
Date: Sun Dec  4 22:51:51 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Digital Camera Compatibility
In-Reply-To: <120520050439.7444.4393C46B000737D000001D142197913363089B07039C990C@mchsi.com>
References: <120520050439.7444.4393C46B000737D000001D142197913363089B07039C990C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <2E5A483E-085D-4FAD-B08A-801ADC5DBA34@earthlink.net>

Good info re: raw format issues.
  <http://www.creativepro.com/story/feature/22023.html>

There is a recent beta plug-in for Pshop dated Nov. 2005.
<http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/cameraraw.html?camerarawnav>


MW

On Dec 4, 2005, at 10:39 PM, cwsmith@mchsi.com wrote:

> This particular RAW format was proprietary -- not recognized by  
> iPhoto, Preview, Photoshop, JView, or
> any other photo program I have installed.  Only the bundled  
> software that came with the camera would
> read their RAW format.  And that was Windows-only.
>
> I'm just trying to point out that it's a good idea to TEST THE  
> CAMERA on your own setup before you
> decide to spend your hard-earned duckets.
>

From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Mon Dec  5 08:37:25 2005
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Mon Dec  5 08:37:38 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Aperture .v Photoshop
In-Reply-To: <20051205043401.EB0BF5802@www.cialug.org>
References: <20051205043401.EB0BF5802@www.cialug.org>
Message-ID: <p06230912bfba009a650e@[192.168.0.12]>

>I can't help but wonder why a photographic program (Aperture) would 
>advertise the benefits of using another sepererate photographic 
>program (Adobe Photoshop), and especially a program (Aperture) 
>listing for $500.  This quote seems to be telling us that Photoshop 
>is the benchmark graphical image manipulation program.  And this 
>begs the question; why do we need Aperture?  For $500 I would expect 
>Aperture to at least attempt to compete with Photoshop, not glorify 
>the benefit of Photoshop instead.

I've been researching Aperature [I don't have full Photoshop] - it 
does some of what PS does but not all -- it is mainly a 
post-production program.  It takes RAW files and does not edit them, 
instead edits what you see on screen and leaves the files alone....it 
also helps organize images.  I gather it would pair well with PS [or 
in my case PSE] and PS would be needed for fine work, filters 
etc...but Aperature would be good for accessing and basic 
manipulation and storage of the image....
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and 
planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa, 
515-255-4475.  Photographs now on display at Borders Books & Cafe, 
West Des Moines:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
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From robbie42 at swbell.net  Fri Dec  2 22:48:26 2005
From: robbie42 at swbell.net (robbie robinette)
Date: Mon Dec  5 09:53:25 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Can't get rid of "self-assigned IP address"
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did you ever fix this?  I have the same problem with my wife's  
powerbook. 
  
From jon at mac-consultant.com  Mon Dec  5 16:06:10 2005
From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Mon Dec  5 16:06:21 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Aperture .v Photoshop
In-Reply-To: <900F1BBC-5E38-432E-AAE5-A8D97D82C2DB@earthlink.net>
References: <20051205043401.EB0BF5802@www.cialug.org>
	<900F1BBC-5E38-432E-AAE5-A8D97D82C2DB@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <F5FEF8FB-375C-45A4-B2ED-E4F558072074@mac-consultant.com>

I read a good explanation of the Aperture/Photoshop relationship.

Photoshop is the darkroom.
Aperture is the light table.


Both are useful to the professional photog.
--  
Jon Thompson
jthompson@greatapetrust.org
515.360.1351

Insights through collaborations with apes
Great Ape Trust of Iowa
www.greatapetrust.org



On Dec 4, 2005, at 10:43 PM, Matt W wrote:

> I'm marginally surprised that no one has mentioned that iLife '05  
> has native RAW support.
>
> <http://www.apple.com/ilife/iphoto/import.html>
>
> For wondering why Apple advertises Photoshop... They want Adobe to  
> keep making Photoshop for Mac. There is great debate about whether  
> Aperture is going to eventually kill Photoshop on the Mac (remember  
> Premier--I almost didn't). It's not even close right now, but in a  
> few years...? At least Adobe has competition now.
>
> Matthew
>
> On Dec 4, 2005, at 10:33 PM, Alan Maupin wrote:
>
>> A quote from the Apple Aperture Webpage.
>>
>>
>>
>> ?Round-trip Photoshop support.  Aperture lets you launch directly  
>> into Adobe Photoshop with a single-click. There, you can take  
>> advantage of Photoshop?s strong compositing and layer effects, and  
>> when you?re done making modifications, simply save the file. Your  
>> modified image will automatically be added to your Aperture  
>> library as a version of the original file, where you can manage it  
>> easily in a Project or Album. ?
>>
>> I can?t help but wonder why a photographic program (Aperture)  
>> would advertise the benefits of using another sepererate  
>> photographic program (Adobe Photoshop), and especially a program  
>> (Aperture) listing for $500.  This quote seems to be telling us  
>> that Photoshop is the benchmark graphical image manipulation  
>> program.  And this begs the question; why do we need Aperture?   
>> For $500 I would expect Aperture to at least attempt to compete  
>> with Photoshop, not glorify the benefit of Photoshop instead.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: dmmug-bounces@dmmug.org [mailto:dmmug-bounces@dmmug.org] On  
>> Behalf Of Victoria L. Herring
>> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 10:05 PM
>> To: Des Moines Mac Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Digital Camera Compatibility
>>
>>
>>
>>  Turns out you can only read the RAW images from the bundled  
>> software - for Windows only.
>>
>>
>>
>> RAW is very special and prized.... it's what Aperature works with  
>> and is probably overkill for a college student and an <$200  
>> camera.... iPhoto evidently won't work with RAW either = maybe  
>> Graphic Converter will???  For myself, the idea of getting  
>> Aperature looks better and better....
>>
>> -- 
>> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination &  
>> Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and  
>> planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa,  
>> 515-255-4475.  Photographs now on display at Borders Books & Cafe,  
>> West Des Moines:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
>>
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From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Mon Dec  5 17:01:42 2005
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Mon Dec  5 17:03:37 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: "Take Control of Buying a Digital Camera" 2.0 and
 Holiday Sale
Message-ID: <p0623092dbfba7740344c@[192.168.0.12]>

>
>
>Good day, everyone!
>
>If you're contemplating giving (or buying for yourself) a digital
>camera this holiday season, look to the second edition of Larry
>Chen's "Take Control of Buying a Digital Camera" to help you pick the
>right camera and save money, all while enjoying helpful tips and
>colorful photos. Even better, through December 26th, the ebook is
>included in our 50%-off holiday sale on consumer electronics titles.
>(If you purchased the first edition, the update is free; click the
>Check for Updates button on the cover of your ebook to access the
>download.)
>
><http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/buying-digicam.html?14@@!pt=TRK-0015-TCANNOUNCE&cp=CPN51201HOL>

-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and 
planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa, 
515-255-4475.  Photographs now on display at Borders Books & Cafe, 
West Des Moines:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
From jweida at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 17:06:51 2005
From: jweida at gmail.com (Jerry Heiselman)
Date: Mon Dec  5 17:06:53 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: "Take Control of Buying a Digital Camera" 2.0 and
	Holiday Sale
In-Reply-To: <p0623092dbfba7740344c@192.168.0.12>
References: <p0623092dbfba7740344c@192.168.0.12>
Message-ID: <40e57b5f0512051506of380287ubc20a7febc492694@mail.gmail.com>

Why do we get this SPAM on the list?

On 12/5/05, Victoria L. Herring <vlherring@herringlaw.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Good day, everyone!
> >
> >If you're contemplating giving (or buying for yourself) a digital
> >camera this holiday season, look to the second edition of Larry
> >Chen's "Take Control of Buying a Digital Camera" to help you pick the
> >right camera and save money, all while enjoying helpful tips and
> >colorful photos. Even better, through December 26th, the ebook is
> >included in our 50%-off holiday sale on consumer electronics titles.
> >(If you purchased the first edition, the update is free; click the
> >Check for Updates button on the cover of your ebook to access the
> >download.)
> >
> ><
> http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/buying-digicam.html?14@@!pt=TRK-0015-TCANNOUNCE&cp=CPN51201HOL
> >
>
> --
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination &
> Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and
> planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa,
> 515-255-4475.  Photographs now on display at Borders Books & Cafe,
> West Des Moines:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
> _______________________________________________
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From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Mon Dec  5 17:21:41 2005
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Mon Dec  5 17:21:49 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] "Take Control
In-Reply-To: <40e57b5f0512051506of380287ubc20a7febc492694@mail.gmail.com>
References: <p0623092dbfba7740344c@192.168.0.12>
	<40e57b5f0512051506of380287ubc20a7febc492694@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p0623092fbfba7bad3dc1@[192.168.0.12]>

>Why do we get this SPAM on the list?

Because I thought it might be helpful for those who were researching 
the Q to have the info....I have found these ebooks quite helpful. 
Not everyone here may be on the list and I thought the availability 
of the info would be helpful, particularly given recent discussions. 
I apologize


-- 
Victoria L. Herring,
From alan.maupin at mchsi.com  Mon Dec  5 17:50:14 2005
From: alan.maupin at mchsi.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Mon Dec  5 17:51:37 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: "Take Control of Buying a Digital Camera" 2.0
	andHoliday Sale
In-Reply-To: <40e57b5f0512051506of380287ubc20a7febc492694@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051205235135.0D0325CD8@www.cialug.org>

Jerry, 

 

Now you have me wondering . what exactly is SPAM, defined in the context of
which you made your comment?

 

  _____  

From: dmmug-bounces@dmmug.org [mailto:dmmug-bounces@dmmug.org] On Behalf Of
Jerry Heiselman
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 5:07 PM
To: Des Moines Mac Users Group
Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Fwd: "Take Control of Buying a Digital Camera" 2.0
andHoliday Sale

 

Why do we get this SPAM on the list?

On 12/5/05, Victoria L. Herring <vlherring@herringlaw.com> wrote: 

>
>
>Good day, everyone!
>
>If you're contemplating giving (or buying for yourself) a digital 
>camera this holiday season, look to the second edition of Larry
>Chen's "Take Control of Buying a Digital Camera" to help you pick the
>right camera and save money, all while enjoying helpful tips and 
>colorful photos. Even better, through December 26th, the ebook is
>included in our 50%-off holiday sale on consumer electronics titles.
>(If you purchased the first edition, the update is free; click the 
>Check for Updates button on the cover of your ebook to access the
>download.)
>
><http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/buying-digicam.html?14@@!pt=TRK-0015-TCANN
OUNCE
<http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/buying-digicam.html?14@@!pt=TRK-0015-TCANNO
UNCE&cp=CPN51201HOL> &cp=CPN51201HOL >

--
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination &
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and
planning, < http://www.JourneyZing.com <http://www.JourneyZing.com> >;  Des
Moines, Iowa,
515-255-4475.  Photographs now on display at Borders Books & Cafe,
West Des Moines:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com 
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From jweida at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 17:58:51 2005
From: jweida at gmail.com (Jerry Heiselman)
Date: Mon Dec  5 17:58:53 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: "Take Control of Buying a Digital Camera" 2.0
	andHoliday Sale
In-Reply-To: <20051205235135.0D0325CD8@www.cialug.org>
References: <40e57b5f0512051506of380287ubc20a7febc492694@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051205235135.0D0325CD8@www.cialug.org>
Message-ID: <40e57b5f0512051558j1ad7f881ib8c1091a6eb4c806@mail.gmail.com>

SPAM is generally defined as unsolicited email that attempts to get your to
buy a product or service.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_(email) for more information regarding
spam.

On 12/5/05, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
>  Jerry,
>
>
>
> Now you have me wondering ? what exactly is SPAM, defined in the context
> of which you made your comment?
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* dmmug-bounces@dmmug.org [mailto:dmmug-bounces@dmmug.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Jerry Heiselman
> *Sent:* Monday, December 05, 2005 5:07 PM
> *To:* Des Moines Mac Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [DM-MUG] Fwd: "Take Control of Buying a Digital Camera" 2.0andHoliday Sale
>
>
>
> Why do we get this SPAM on the list?
>
> On 12/5/05, *Victoria L. Herring* <vlherring@herringlaw.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Good day, everyone!
> >
> >If you're contemplating giving (or buying for yourself) a digital
> >camera this holiday season, look to the second edition of Larry
> >Chen's "Take Control of Buying a Digital Camera" to help you pick the
> >right camera and save money, all while enjoying helpful tips and
> >colorful photos. Even better, through December 26th, the ebook is
> >included in our 50%-off holiday sale on consumer electronics titles.
> >(If you purchased the first edition, the update is free; click the
> >Check for Updates button on the cover of your ebook to access the
> >download.)
> >
> ><http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/buying-digicam.html?14@@!pt=TRK-0015-TCANNOUNCE&cp=CPN51201HOL
>
> <http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/buying-digicam.html?14@@%21pt=TRK-0015-TCANNOUNCE&cp=CPN51201HOL>
> >
>
> --
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination &
> Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and
> planning, < http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa,
> 515-255-4475.  Photographs now on display at Borders Books & Cafe,
> West Des Moines:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
> _______________________________________________
> Dmmug mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> Dmmug@dmmug.org
> Use this page to modify subscription options:
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
>
>
>
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From alan.maupin at mchsi.com  Mon Dec  5 18:34:27 2005
From: alan.maupin at mchsi.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Mon Dec  5 18:35:56 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: "Take Control of Buying a Digital Camera"
	2.0andHoliday Sale
In-Reply-To: <40e57b5f0512051558j1ad7f881ib8c1091a6eb4c806@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051206003553.9A9905B81@www.cialug.org>

Some more interesting terms:
http://www.nectec.or.th/net-guide/bigdummy/bdg_74.html#SEC77

 

 

Net.weenies 

These are the kind of people who enjoy Insulting others, the kind of people
who post nasty messages in a sewing newsgroup just for the hell of it. 

Net.geeks 

People to whom the Net is Life, who worry about what happens when they
graduate and they lose their free, 24-hour access. 

Net.gods 

The old-timers; the true titans of the Net and the keepers of its collective
history. They were around when the Net consisted of a couple of computers
tied together with baling wire. 

Lurkers 

Actually, you can't tell these people are there, but they are. They're the
folks who read a newsgroup but never post or respond. 

Wizards 

People who know a particular Net-related topic inside and out. Unix wizards
can perform amazing tricks with that operating system, for example. 

Net.saints 

Always willing to help a newcomer, eager to share their knowledge with those
not born with an innate ability to navigate the Net, they are not as rare as
you might think. Post a question about something and you'll often be
surprised how many responses you get.

 

 

  _____  

From: dmmug-bounces@dmmug.org [mailto:dmmug-bounces@dmmug.org] On Behalf Of
Jerry Heiselman
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 5:59 PM
To: Des Moines Mac Users Group
Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Fwd: "Take Control of Buying a Digital Camera"
2.0andHoliday Sale

 

SPAM is generally defined as unsolicited email that attempts to get your to
buy a product or service.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_(email) for more information regarding
spam. 

On 12/5/05, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin@mchsi.com> wrote:

Jerry, 

 

Now you have me wondering . what exactly is SPAM, defined in the context of
which you made your comment?

 

  _____  

From: dmmug-bounces@dmmug.org [mailto: <mailto:dmmug-bounces@dmmug.org>
dmmug-bounces@dmmug.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Heiselman
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 5:07 PM
To: Des Moines Mac Users Group
Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Fwd: "Take Control of Buying a Digital Camera" 2.0
andHoliday Sale

 

Why do we get this SPAM on the list?

On 12/5/05, Victoria L. Herring <vlherring@herringlaw.com> wrote: 

>
>
>Good day, everyone!
>
>If you're contemplating giving (or buying for yourself) a digital 
>camera this holiday season, look to the second edition of Larry
>Chen's "Take Control of Buying a Digital Camera" to help you pick the
>right camera and save money, all while enjoying helpful tips and 
>colorful photos. Even better, through December 26th, the ebook is
>included in our 50%-off holiday sale on consumer electronics titles.
>(If you purchased the first edition, the update is free; click the 
>Check for Updates button on the cover of your ebook to access the
>download.)
>
><http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/buying-digicam.html?14@@!pt=TRK-0015-TCANN
OUNCE
<http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/buying-digicam.html?14@@%21pt=TRK-0015-TCAN
NOUNCE&cp=CPN51201HOL> &cp=CPN51201HOL >

--
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination &
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and
planning, < <http://www.JourneyZing.com>  http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des
Moines, Iowa,
515-255-4475.  Photographs now on display at Borders Books & Cafe,
West Des Moines:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com 
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From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Mon Dec  5 18:36:51 2005
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Mon Dec  5 18:37:48 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: "Take Control
In-Reply-To: <40e57b5f0512051558j1ad7f881ib8c1091a6eb4c806@mail.gmail.com>
References: <40e57b5f0512051506of380287ubc20a7febc492694@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051205235135.0D0325CD8@www.cialug.org>
	<40e57b5f0512051558j1ad7f881ib8c1091a6eb4c806@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06230930bfba8d2956ce@[192.168.0.12]>

>SPAM is generally defined as unsolicited email that attempts to get 
>your to buy a product or service.

Well by that definition I do not believe I was spamming this 
list...the owners of the TC series did not target this list, I 
thought cross-posting would be providing a service.  Any time I say 
how wonderful an Apple product is, I'm also hoping you'll buy and 
share in my joy...after all, I own Apple Stock...I think SPAM is 
terrible and certainly neither intended to nor thought I was spamming 
the list by sharing with it a beneficial link.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring,
From cwsmith at mchsi.com  Mon Dec  5 20:20:12 2005
From: cwsmith at mchsi.com (CW Smith)
Date: Mon Dec  5 20:20:17 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Can't get rid of "self-assigned IP address"
In-Reply-To: <9D18D78E-6FFB-465F-80C2-B9826EBF84FA@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <BFBA517C.E29%cwsmith@mchsi.com>

Yes, I did!  After all the putzing around with system preferences, repairing
permissions, repairing the HD with disk utility, updating to Tiger, etc.,
etc., etc., it turned out to be a bad Ethernet cable.  Boy, did I feel
stupid!

Give me a call if you need to and I'll see if there's anything more I can
help with.

Peace,
CW

On 12/2/05 10:48 PM, "robbie robinette" <robbie42@swbell.net> wrote:

> 
> did you ever fix this?  I have the same problem with my wife's
> powerbook. 
>   
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   Musician
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705 Maple Street
Atlantic, Iowa 50022 USA

Phone:  (712) 243-1200
Mobile: (712) 254-0930

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http://cwsmith.spymac.com


From billd at ecity.net  Tue Dec  6 00:54:22 2005
From: billd at ecity.net (Bill Davis)
Date: Tue Dec  6 00:54:34 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: "Take Control of Buying a Digital Camera" 2.0
	andHoliday Sale
In-Reply-To: <40e57b5f0512051558j1ad7f881ib8c1091a6eb4c806@mail.gmail.com>
References: <40e57b5f0512051506of380287ubc20a7febc492694@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051205235135.0D0325CD8@www.cialug.org>
	<40e57b5f0512051558j1ad7f881ib8c1091a6eb4c806@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A934BDE5-39EC-4F87-B744-254D421D49E6@ecity.net>

Jerry - Then by your own definition, Victoria's message was NOT  
spam.   I'm guessing you are new to the DM-MUG list.  Victoria often  
helpfully forwards items of interest (products, articles, web site  
links) to the DM-MUG list,  especially if they relate to something  
that's being discussed on the list. We've been discussing how to buy  
a digital camera on the list in the last couple of days, so her post  
was most appropriate and timely, and NOT spam.

That being said, Victoria, you might want to prefix such forwarded  
messages in the future with a brief note indicating why it's being  
forwarded.  I for one understood why you did so, as I'm sure most  
folks on the list did.   Or perhaps change the message header to  
match the discussion to which it was related.  I don't think you have  
ANYTHING to apologize for, though; thanks for posting that info about  
the e-book.

  - Bill



On Dec 5, 2005, at 5:58 PM, Jerry Heiselman wrote:

> SPAM is generally defined as unsolicited email that attempts to get  
> your to buy a product or service.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_(email) for more information  
> regarding spam.
>
> On 12/5/05, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin@mchsi.com> wrote:
> Jerry,
>
>
> Now you have me wondering ? what exactly is SPAM, defined in the  
> context of which you made your comment?
>
>
> From: dmmug-bounces@dmmug.org [mailto: dmmug-bounces@dmmug.org] On  
> Behalf Of Jerry Heiselman
> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 5:07 PM
> To: Des Moines Mac Users Group
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Fwd: "Take Control of Buying a Digital  
> Camera" 2.0 andHoliday Sale
>
>
> Why do we get this SPAM on the list?
>
> On 12/5/05, Victoria L. Herring <vlherring@herringlaw.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Good day, everyone!
> >
> >If you're contemplating giving (or buying for yourself) a digital
> >camera this holiday season, look to the second edition of Larry
> >Chen's "Take Control of Buying a Digital Camera" to help you pick the
> >right camera and save money, all while enjoying helpful tips and
> >colorful photos. Even better, through December 26th, the ebook is
> >included in our 50%-off holiday sale on consumer electronics titles.
> >(If you purchased the first edition, the update is free; click the
> >Check for Updates button on the cover of your ebook to access the
> >download.)
> >
> ><http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/buying-digicam.html?14@@! 
> pt=TRK-0015-TCANNOUNCE&cp=CPN51201HOL >
>
> --
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination &
> Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and
> planning, < http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa,
> 515-255-4475.  Photographs now on display at Borders Books & Cafe,
> West Des Moines:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
> _______________________________________________
> Dmmug mailing list
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>
>
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From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Tue Dec  6 05:59:18 2005
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue Dec  6 06:10:33 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Thanks, I'll be sure to update subjects....generally,
 the Take Control series...
In-Reply-To: <A934BDE5-39EC-4F87-B744-254D421D49E6@ecity.net>
References: <40e57b5f0512051506of380287ubc20a7febc492694@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051205235135.0D0325CD8@www.cialug.org>
	<40e57b5f0512051558j1ad7f881ib8c1091a6eb4c806@mail.gmail.com>
	<A934BDE5-39EC-4F87-B744-254D421D49E6@ecity.net>
Message-ID: <p06230934bfbb2bfd9100@[192.168.0.12]>

Bill, thanks...I would like to expand a bit in a learning mode, on 
the Take Control series.  I have purchased some but not all of them. 
They are ebooks, pdf books.  They generally cost $8-10 or so and are 
downloadable.  Usually they contain 60-100 pages of material.  I used 
one recently to learn more about backing up, such that I was able to 
write an article for the latest GPSolo magazine [of the American Bar 
Assn.] on the issue using some of my own research and experience and 
some gleaned from the 'book'.   Myself, I wouldn't need the Digital 
Camera topic because I have a few [:) or :( ] but knowing what the 
series is about and the type of info contained in each book 
[including live links to information, articles, manufacturers or 
developers] I thought it worth posting....

you're right of course, putting a good subject in the beginning helps 
immensely...thanks for the nudge
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and 
planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa, 
515-255-4475.  Photographs now on display at Borders Books & Cafe, 
West Des Moines:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
From jweida at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 07:15:04 2005
From: jweida at gmail.com (Jerry Heiselman)
Date: Tue Dec  6 07:15:07 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: "Take Control of Buying a Digital Camera" 2.0
	andHoliday Sale
In-Reply-To: <A934BDE5-39EC-4F87-B744-254D421D49E6@ecity.net>
References: <40e57b5f0512051506of380287ubc20a7febc492694@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051205235135.0D0325CD8@www.cialug.org>
	<40e57b5f0512051558j1ad7f881ib8c1091a6eb4c806@mail.gmail.com>
	<A934BDE5-39EC-4F87-B744-254D421D49E6@ecity.net>
Message-ID: <40e57b5f0512060515r130605a8y25f79b67d55f4262@mail.gmail.com>

I do apologize for making the assumption that her message was SPAM. 
The content did not seem immediately relating to a discussion and
there was no information within the message that seemed to be from her
specifically.  Therefore, I thought that someone may be using her
computer as an open-relay to send out SPAM.

That being said, it would be beneficial if such messages contained at
least something to identify them as something that relates.  I like
the idea of changing the subject to match an existing one or at the
very least a little note saying "hey guys, thought this sounded
interesting/looked like a good deal/etc...." so that it is more clear.

A newcomer to the list, such as myself, would probably be less
inclined to believe it was SPAM and just unsubscribe thinking that it
was the only type of material the list had to offer.
From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Tue Dec  6 08:37:37 2005
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue Dec  6 08:37:55 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: "Take Control - readdressing subjects
In-Reply-To: <40e57b5f0512060515r130605a8y25f79b67d55f4262@mail.gmail.com>
References: <40e57b5f0512051506of380287ubc20a7febc492694@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051205235135.0D0325CD8@www.cialug.org>
	<40e57b5f0512051558j1ad7f881ib8c1091a6eb4c806@mail.gmail.com>
	<A934BDE5-39EC-4F87-B744-254D421D49E6@ecity.net>
	<40e57b5f0512060515r130605a8y25f79b67d55f4262@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06230903bfbb52821e41@[192.168.0.12]>

>A newcomer to the list, such as myself, would probably be less
>inclined to believe it was SPAM and just unsubscribe

which is why we appreciate your opening the topic and raising the 
issue....it was a good reminder for me!
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and 
planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa, 
515-255-4475.  Photographs now on display at Borders Books & Cafe, 
West Des Moines:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
From big.smelly at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 14:40:16 2005
From: big.smelly at gmail.com (Chris R)
Date: Tue Dec  6 14:40:20 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Camera
In-Reply-To: <BF88F66E.AA7D%alan@gohaddock.com>
References: <BF88F66E.AA7D%alan@gohaddock.com>
Message-ID: <7cd3e5a2bef4c718f493d05cba4d798a@gmail.com>

Hello Alan
I was in your shop last week asking about a ibook adapter and you 
offered me a deal on the HP camera in the case. I'm not sure if you 
remember but it was a very good deal. I came in yesterday to purchase 
the adapter and ask a couple questions but you were not in. I got the 
adapter and my wife and she is thrilled to have her ibook come back to 
life. The HP camera in the case has some deferring reviews. Half of 
them say that it is the best camera they've ever had and the other half 
say that they will never buy from HP again. I've dealt with HP 
computers at work and have found them to be very reliable PC's ( for 
PC's that is ) and although I had a problem with getting a rebate they 
were actually very helpful. What do you think of the camera? Would you 
buy it for your wife? I am looking for a camera, I would like to 
purchase it from you. Is there something else you could recommend in 
the $150-$250 range? Thanks Chris



Someday you will find that there is a difference between wanting and 
having.

http://www.kavanaughgallery.com

From big.smelly at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 15:37:02 2005
From: big.smelly at gmail.com (Chris R)
Date: Tue Dec  6 15:37:09 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Oops, sorry about that
Message-ID: <6c3068cc3a95846d801921f5394d4c45@gmail.com>

I am sorry for sending the last email to the group. It was mean for 
someone on the list and I just wasnt thinking. Thanks Chris


Someday you will find that there is a difference between wanting and 
having.

http://www.kavanaughgallery.com

From jonsharyl at prairieinet.net  Sun Dec 11 07:50:19 2005
From: jonsharyl at prairieinet.net (Jon Engelhardt)
Date: Sun Dec 11 07:49:32 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Quick question
Message-ID: <73a51a4ef670595ae50f1cbc0e2ad514@prairieinet.net>

Last week something happened to my mail program (I'm sure it was 
operator error) as now I have to double click on each new mail to open 
it.  Before when I was done with one I could scroll to the next one and 
it would open automatically  Any suggestions?

Thanks.

Jon Engelhardt
Adel

From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Sun Dec 11 07:40:27 2005
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sun Dec 11 07:59:10 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Re: [MacLaw] PSP in a mac-centric house?
Message-ID: <p06230917bfc1dc9cc3aa@[192.168.0.3]>

Not that I'm suggesting people get one, but if you are thinking of it 
I thought that this discussion might be of some interest....

>
>
>The PSP is a nice little unit.
>
>I have one and have set it up to connect wirelessly at home and at 
>the office.  Both of which are encrypted wifi connections.  It works 
>fine on both networks.
>
>I'm not sure what you mean by facilitate it, but you can connect it 
>direct via USB to a Mac and the memory stick mounts as a memory 
>device on the desktop.  Once mounted, you can drag and drop files to/
>from the memory stick for use on the PSP.  For example, you can drag 
>mp3 files, photos (jpeg and pdf), pdf docs, videos (though there is 
>some effort/money required for this one) to the memory stick and then 
>view/play them on the PSP.  At this point, unless you want to delve 
>into hacking, there is no easy way to install executable software on 
>the memory stick.
>
>There are two media: memory stick (see above) and UMD (universal 
>media disc, I think).  The UMDs are like mini-dvds and can contain 
>games or movies.  As far as I know, there is no consumer-level UMD 
>writer so you're not going to be burning an iMovie/iDVD to a UMD for 
>viewing.  All downloaded content is stored on the memory stick(s).  
>Hence, one of the complaints is that you need to buy a handful of 
>memory sticks (relatively modestly priced for 512 MB, sort of for 1 
>GB, and downright expensive 2 GB) in order to store whatever you want 
>for viewing/playing/listening/reading/etc.
>
>There are, of course, some software apps available (see 
>VersionTracker or MacUpdate, e.g., iPSP and PSP-Ware) for 
>automatically handling the synchronization of files with the memory 
>sticks.  Some of these also take care of the somewhat cumbersome 
>conversion process for getting viewable videos on the memory stick.  
>Another place to check for PSP info is <http://www.psp911.com>.
>
>As for the PSP, its basically like carrying around a portable PS2 
>that you can pause and put to sleep at any time.  It's equally great 
>for those times when you may be standing in line for 5-10 minutes and 
>when you're stuck on a plane for a couple of hours.  But, it is pricey.
>
>Feel free to send me a note or IM if you want further info on the above.
>
>-Randy
>
>
>On Dec 10, 2005, at 6:38 PM, David Young wrote:
>
>>  I have an 9 year old that has a PlayStation & we are thinking of
>>  getting a PSP for him for Christmas. The PSP would be for long car
>>  drives mainly. The PSP has wireless networking (802.11b) & USB2
>>  connectivity.
>>
>>  By any chance, does anyone have practical experience with a PSP in
>>  your house & how Mac platforms can facilitate it (I have 2 mini Macs
>>  [am not sure if this is USB1 or 2] & an Airport network)?
>>
>>  I understand that the main medium is a proprietary disc, but am lead
>>  to belive that it can use movies and games downloaded from the
>>  internet (by my computer for example) and ported to it via the USB.
>>
>  > Any advice?

-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and 
planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa, 
515-255-4475.  Photographs now on display at Borders Books & Cafe, 
West Des Moines:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
From rbowler at mchsi.com  Sun Dec 11 08:15:30 2005
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Sun Dec 11 08:15:57 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Quick question
In-Reply-To: <73a51a4ef670595ae50f1cbc0e2ad514@prairieinet.net>
References: <73a51a4ef670595ae50f1cbc0e2ad514@prairieinet.net>
Message-ID: <a06210212bfc1e4e86d8a@[10.0.1.4]>

What mail program?

At 7:50 AM -0600 12/11/05, Jon Engelhardt wrote:
>Last week something happened to my mail program (I'm sure it was 
>operator error) as now I have to double click on each new mail to 
>open it.  Before when I was done with one I could scroll to the next 
>one and it would open automatically  Any suggestions?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Jon Engelhardt
>Adel
>
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-- 
Ray

Des Moines, IA Mac Users Group
Fourth Tues of the month.
See

    <WWW.DMMUG.ORG>
From jonsharyl at prairieinet.net  Sun Dec 11 09:32:47 2005
From: jonsharyl at prairieinet.net (Jon Engelhardt)
Date: Sun Dec 11 09:31:47 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Quick question
In-Reply-To: <a06210212bfc1e4e86d8a@[10.0.1.4]>
References: <73a51a4ef670595ae50f1cbc0e2ad514@prairieinet.net>
	<a06210212bfc1e4e86d8a@[10.0.1.4]>
Message-ID: <4fa491cbf82c4475130c5f26ef75d4fc@prairieinet.net>

The one supplied with the computer-iMac G4 running Mac OS X  version 
10.3.9
Mail 1.3.22 (v622/623)
On Dec 11, 2005, at 8:15 AM, Ray Bowler wrote:

> What mail program?
>
> At 7:50 AM -0600 12/11/05, Jon Engelhardt wrote:
>> Last week something happened to my mail program (I'm sure it was 
>> operator error) as now I have to double click on each new mail to 
>> open it.  Before when I was done with one I could scroll to the next 
>> one and it would open automatically  Any suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Jon Engelhardt
>> Adel
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Dmmug mailing list
>> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
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>
>
> -- 
> Ray
>
> Des Moines, IA Mac Users Group
> Fourth Tues of the month.
> See
>
>    <WWW.DMMUG.ORG>
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From jweida at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 10:07:39 2005
From: jweida at gmail.com (Jerry Heiselman)
Date: Sun Dec 11 10:07:44 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Quick question
In-Reply-To: <4fa491cbf82c4475130c5f26ef75d4fc@prairieinet.net>
References: <73a51a4ef670595ae50f1cbc0e2ad514@prairieinet.net>
	<a06210212bfc1e4e86d8a@10.0.1.4>
	<4fa491cbf82c4475130c5f26ef75d4fc@prairieinet.net>
Message-ID: <40e57b5f0512110807k377c276em114c00a48adb6642@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds more like the mouse drivers.  If you have a control panel for
your mouse in System Preferences, try seeing if the wheel is still
assigned to the "scroll down" function.  My Logitech MX310 seems to
"lose" it's configuration from time to time and going into the control
panel and double-checking the settings seems to fix it.  I'm guessing
the driver doesn't stay resident for some reason and going into the
control panel reactivates it.

jerry


On 12/11/05, Jon Engelhardt <jonsharyl@prairieinet.net> wrote:
> The one supplied with the computer-iMac G4 running Mac OS X  version
> 10.3.9
> Mail 1.3.22 (v622/623)
> On Dec 11, 2005, at 8:15 AM, Ray Bowler wrote:
>
> > What mail program?
> >
> > At 7:50 AM -0600 12/11/05, Jon Engelhardt wrote:
> >> Last week something happened to my mail program (I'm sure it was
> >> operator error) as now I have to double click on each new mail to
> >> open it.  Before when I was done with one I could scroll to the next
> >> one and it would open automatically  Any suggestions?
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >> Jon Engelhardt
> >> Adel
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Dmmug mailing list
> >> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> >> Dmmug@dmmug.org
> >> Use this page to modify subscription options:
> >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug
> >
> >
> > --
> > Ray
> >
> > Des Moines, IA Mac Users Group
> > Fourth Tues of the month.
> > See
> >
> >    <WWW.DMMUG.ORG>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Dmmug mailing list
> > Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> > Dmmug@dmmug.org
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>
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From chris at kavanaughgallery.com  Mon Dec 12 16:53:15 2005
From: chris at kavanaughgallery.com (Chris R)
Date: Mon Dec 12 16:53:52 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Chris R asked us to send you this post from The Unofficial
	Apple Weblog (TUAW)
Message-ID: <00db01c5ff6e$d5e690f0$0e12040a@ad.logicworks.net>

From: The Unofficial Apple Weblog (TUAW) <http://www.tuaw.com/> 
URL:
http://www.tuaw.com/2005/12/12/windows-admins-guide-to-serving-macs/
Sent from: Chris R <mailto:chris@kavanaughgallery.com>
(chris@kavanaughgallery.com)
Sent to: dmmug@dmmug.org
Comments: Hello All I know that weve had several emails from people in
schools etc that have admins that have mac issues. Maybe this can help.
Regards C

  _____  


Windows Admin's guide to serving Macs
<http://www.tuaw.com/2005/12/12/windows-admins-guide-to-serving-macs/> 


12/12/2005 1:00:44 PM

 Windows Vista<http://www.tuaw.com/images/2005/07/WinVista_h_Web2.jpg>
During the day I'm a Windows sys admin (please, hold back from hitting
me with rotten vegetables) so I know that most sys admins don't like
change. The Mac entering the enterprise is a change, and many sys admins
don't know how to feel about that.

Luckily infromIT has published 'Working for Apples: A Windows
Administrator's Guide to Serving Macs
<http://www.informit.com/articles/printerfriendly.asp?p=430214&rl=1> '
which illustrates that the changes needed to accommodate a Mac aren't
nearly as massive as many admins fear. Print this out and give it to
your local Windows sys admin, they just might read it.
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From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Tue Dec 13 10:53:39 2005
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue Dec 13 10:53:51 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Hey I FINALLY got to do a 3 way video chat!
Message-ID: <p06230909bfc4acb92b73@[192.168.0.6]>

	It was a bit grainy [I think Mediacom bandwidth limit was the 
culprit] but not terrible and it showed up just as Jobs demoed it = 
one on screen to left, one on screen to right, me in little box and 
nifty shines and shadows on the floor of the 'room' - I can upload 
pictures or send to you if you're interested.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and 
planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa, 
515-255-4475.  Photographs now on display at Borders Books & Cafe, 
West Des Moines:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Tue Dec 13 17:45:41 2005
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Tue Dec 13 17:46:53 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Hey I FINALLY got to do a 3 way video chat!
In-Reply-To: <p06230909bfc4acb92b73@[192.168.0.6]>
References: <p06230909bfc4acb92b73@[192.168.0.6]>
Message-ID: <p06230951bfc50d3ecade@[192.168.0.6]>

I checked with a friend who said the minimum for a good picture is 
512k...Mediacom is non-business 256k up and 5mb down...business 
packages are much more expensive but also would work better

checking Qwest DSL the pricing for that is the same as mediacom but 
the speeds are much better, both ways.

which is more important, up or down?  and other than Earthlink and 
Qwest, are there other competitors out there?
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & 
Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and 
planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa, 
515-255-4475.  Photographs now on display at Borders Books & Cafe, 
West Des Moines:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
From maccelerate at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 13 22:19:03 2005
From: maccelerate at earthlink.net (Matt W)
Date: Tue Dec 13 22:19:10 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Hey I FINALLY got to do a 3 way video chat!
In-Reply-To: <p06230951bfc50d3ecade@[192.168.0.6]>
References: <p06230909bfc4acb92b73@[192.168.0.6]>
	<p06230951bfc50d3ecade@[192.168.0.6]>
Message-ID: <471F76ED-0DA8-4FB3-9E7D-DC754DE0AA00@earthlink.net>

Both. Generally the download spd. is the most important for  
residential users. But as you've found, the need for a fast upload  
becomes important if you want to host or participate in a bandwidth- 
intensive service, such as video chat, file sharing, high-volume Web  
hosting, uploading files to your DotMac account, or online gaming.

The minimum upload speed for iChat AV *initiating* is 384kbps and  
participating is 100kbps. Most 1.5 Mbps DSL services in our area will  
do 1.5 down and 800+ up. With DSL you are also not directly competing  
with nearby cable households (users on your cable LAN) for bandwidth,  
rather the entire pipe that your ISP provides which is a little  
harder to fill up.

Matthew

On Dec 13, 2005, at 5:45 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:

> I checked with a friend who said the minimum for a good picture is  
> 512k...Mediacom is non-business 256k up and 5mb down...business  
> packages are much more expensive but also would work better
>
> checking Qwest DSL the pricing for that is the same as mediacom but  
> the speeds are much better, both ways.
>
> which is more important, up or down?  and other than Earthlink and  
> Qwest, are there other competitors out there?
> -- 
> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination &  
> Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and  
> planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa,  
> 515-255-4475.  Photographs now on display at Borders Books & Cafe,  
> West Des Moines:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
> _______________________________________________
> Dmmug mailing list
> Use this Address to send mail to the list:
> Dmmug@dmmug.org
> Use this page to modify subscription options:
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>

From ka_klick at mac.com  Wed Dec 14 08:25:34 2005
From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker)
Date: Wed Dec 14 08:25:42 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Hey I FINALLY got to do a 3 way video chat!
In-Reply-To: <471F76ED-0DA8-4FB3-9E7D-DC754DE0AA00@earthlink.net>
References: <p06230909bfc4acb92b73@[192.168.0.6]>
	<p06230951bfc50d3ecade@[192.168.0.6]>
	<471F76ED-0DA8-4FB3-9E7D-DC754DE0AA00@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <07A49362-A6DB-4F26-9D56-9BD072AD9A85@mac.com>

As for other ISPs offering DSL there are several in town. You'll end  
up having to deal with Qwest for the actual connection (since they  
own the wire) but I know Internet Solver is a local ISP that provides  
DSL service and would be Mac friendly, and some members work there.


On Dec 13, 2005, at 10:19 PM, Matt W wrote:
> Both. Generally the download spd. is the most important for  
> residential users. But as you've found, the need for a fast upload  
> becomes important if you want to host or participate in a bandwidth- 
> intensive service, such as video chat, file sharing, high-volume  
> Web hosting, uploading files to your DotMac account, or online gaming.
>
> The minimum upload speed for iChat AV *initiating* is 384kbps and  
> participating is 100kbps. Most 1.5 Mbps DSL services in our area  
> will do 1.5 down and 800+ up. With DSL you are also not directly  
> competing with nearby cable households (users on your cable LAN)  
> for bandwidth, rather the entire pipe that your ISP provides which  
> is a little harder to fill up.
>
> Matthew
>
> On Dec 13, 2005, at 5:45 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
>
>> I checked with a friend who said the minimum for a good picture is  
>> 512k...Mediacom is non-business 256k up and 5mb down...business  
>> packages are much more expensive but also would work better
>>
>> checking Qwest DSL the pricing for that is the same as mediacom  
>> but the speeds are much better, both ways.
>>
>> which is more important, up or down?  and other than Earthlink and  
>> Qwest, are there other competitors out there?
>> -- 
>> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination &  
>> Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and  
>> planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa,  
>> 515-255-4475.  Photographs now on display at Borders Books & Cafe,  
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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Wed Dec 14 09:10:44 2005
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Wed Dec 14 09:10:49 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] cables
Message-ID: <a06210218bfc5e0fc822b@[10.0.1.4]>

I have just been given an Apple QuickTake 100 digital camera to play 
with. I need to use the old style printer cable to download from it 
to the computer.  I have the software on my 7100 running OS 9.1 but I 
am wondering if there is a way to convert the output to USB so that I 
can use the Mac mini for this.

This seems to be a simple camera but it might be useful. I want to 
check the quality at both resolutions and see what I can get from it. 
If nothing else my grand daughter would probably love it.
-- 
Ray

Des Moines, IA Mac Users Group
Fourth Tues of the month.
See

    <WWW.DMMUG.ORG>
From alan at gohaddock.com  Wed Dec 14 09:20:03 2005
From: alan at gohaddock.com (Alan Hansen)
Date: Wed Dec 14 09:20:18 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] cables
In-Reply-To: <a06210218bfc5e0fc822b@[10.0.1.4]>
Message-ID: <BFC59443.B685%alan@gohaddock.com>

Ray,

It has been a long time but I think the QuickTake cameras saved their
pictures in jpg format.  You will need to use your 7100 to get the pictures
out of the camera and then network your Mac Mini to it and transfer the
files by Ethernet cable.  The files should import into iPhoto and you will
be able to work with them from there.

Good Luck!
Alan

On 12/14/05 9:10 AM, "Ray Bowler" <rbowler@mchsi.com> wrote:

> I have just been given an Apple QuickTake 100 digital camera to play
> with. I need to use the old style printer cable to download from it
> to the computer.  I have the software on my 7100 running OS 9.1 but I
> am wondering if there is a way to convert the output to USB so that I
> can use the Mac mini for this.
> 
> This seems to be a simple camera but it might be useful. I want to
> check the quality at both resolutions and see what I can get from it.
> If nothing else my grand daughter would probably love it.




???? Please send mail to alan@gohaddock.com

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From maccelerate at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 14 09:44:39 2005
From: maccelerate at earthlink.net (Matt W)
Date: Wed Dec 14 09:44:45 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] cables
In-Reply-To: <a06210218bfc5e0fc822b@[10.0.1.4]>
References: <a06210218bfc5e0fc822b@[10.0.1.4]>
Message-ID: <5EDC46CB-1B86-4804-81D5-487715F5F1E1@earthlink.net>

You could get a serial to USB adapter but they are very expensive and  
take some setup. It's better to just network the two (like Alan said)  
and move the files. I've got an available transceiver for the 7100  
that will provide std. ethernet (RJ-45) out.

Matthew

On Dec 14, 2005, at 9:10 AM, Ray Bowler wrote:

> I have just been given an Apple QuickTake 100 digital camera to  
> play with. I need to use the old style printer cable to download  
> from it to the computer.  I have the software on my 7100 running OS  
> 9.1 but I am wondering if there is a way to convert the output to  
> USB so that I can use the Mac mini for this.
>
> This seems to be a simple camera but it might be useful. I want to  
> check the quality at both resolutions and see what I can get from  
> it. If nothing else my grand daughter would probably love it.
> -- 
> Ray

From marruss at crosspaths.net  Wed Dec 14 10:02:51 2005
From: marruss at crosspaths.net (Russ Carlson)
Date: Wed Dec 14 10:32:40 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Unable to open
Message-ID: <242bfba7490810aa09d8e956e7db90f1@crosspaths.net>

I have been sent several .pps attachments.  I do not have Powerpoint.  
Is there an application that will open these that can be used with  OS 
10.3.9?

Russ

From maccelerate at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 14 11:59:55 2005
From: maccelerate at earthlink.net (Matt W)
Date: Wed Dec 14 11:59:58 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Unable to open [PowerPoint]
In-Reply-To: <242bfba7490810aa09d8e956e7db90f1@crosspaths.net>
References: <242bfba7490810aa09d8e956e7db90f1@crosspaths.net>
Message-ID: <51AF0EE9-6B69-4337-8136-A48798BEB872@earthlink.net>

There used to be PowerPoint reader utility for Classic (probably  
still find it on MS's Web site, but it's Classic-yuck!)

A somewhat larger download, but wholly Mac OS X-compatible is  
available from openoffice.org. It almost entirely removes the need  
for MS Office.

Also Mac-friendly is ThinkFree Office <http://www.thinkfree.com/ 
download/dl_mac.jsp>, it has a 30-day trial.

Matthew

On Dec 14, 2005, at 10:02 AM, Russ Carlson wrote:

> I have been sent several .pps attachments.  I do not have  
> Powerpoint.  Is there an application that will open these that can  
> be used with  OS 10.3.9?
>
> Russ
>
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From kickfire at i-rule.net  Wed Dec 14 13:35:06 2005
From: kickfire at i-rule.net (kickfire@i-rule.net)
Date: Wed Dec 14 13:31:56 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Hey I FINALLY got to do a 3 way video chat!
In-Reply-To: <471F76ED-0DA8-4FB3-9E7D-DC754DE0AA00@earthlink.net>
References: <p06230909bfc4acb92b73@[192.168.0.6]>
	<p06230951bfc50d3ecade@[192.168.0.6]>
	<471F76ED-0DA8-4FB3-9E7D-DC754DE0AA00@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <793C893F-6257-4ABA-B2B4-CAF021A12BF3@i-rule.net>

the funny thing about this is that I used to video conference, albeit  
roughly, with the old version of AIM which allowed macs, and not PC's  
to do so on OS 9.2 over a 33k baud or better modem connection. My  
brother, who I video conferenced with most often, was on a 56k modem  
but I live out in the country and was limited in  bandwidth to 33,  
usually 26k.  wondering how all that was accomplished! AOL came out  
with the upgrades thereafter and suddenly you couldn't conference  
anymore on macs, only on pc's! Luckily I kept a copy of my old AIM  
before upgrading and was able to continue through the 1-2 years that  
followed which blocked macs out from video conferencing.


dave


On Dec 13, 2005, at 10:19 PM, Matt W wrote:

> Both. Generally the download spd. is the most important for  
> residential users. But as you've found, the need for a fast upload  
> becomes important if you want to host or participate in a bandwidth- 
> intensive service, such as video chat, file sharing, high-volume  
> Web hosting, uploading files to your DotMac account, or online gaming.
>
> The minimum upload speed for iChat AV *initiating* is 384kbps and  
> participating is 100kbps. Most 1.5 Mbps DSL services in our area  
> will do 1.5 down and 800+ up. With DSL you are also not directly  
> competing with nearby cable households (users on your cable LAN)  
> for bandwidth, rather the entire pipe that your ISP provides which  
> is a little harder to fill up.
>
> Matthew
>
> On Dec 13, 2005, at 5:45 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote:
>
>> I checked with a friend who said the minimum for a good picture is  
>> 512k...Mediacom is non-business 256k up and 5mb down...business  
>> packages are much more expensive but also would work better
>>
>> checking Qwest DSL the pricing for that is the same as mediacom  
>> but the speeds are much better, both ways.
>>
>> which is more important, up or down?  and other than Earthlink and  
>> Qwest, are there other competitors out there?
>> -- 
>> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination &  
>> Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and  
>> planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa,  
>> 515-255-4475.  Photographs now on display at Borders Books & Cafe,  
>> West Des Moines:  http://victoriajz.smugmug.com
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From cwsmith at mchsi.com  Wed Dec 14 13:46:32 2005
From: cwsmith at mchsi.com (CW Smith)
Date: Wed Dec 14 13:46:36 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Unable to open
In-Reply-To: <242bfba7490810aa09d8e956e7db90f1@crosspaths.net>
Message-ID: <BFC5D2B8.E5A%cwsmith@mchsi.com>

If you have iWork, you *might* be able to open it with Keynote.  Anyone know
for sure?

On 12/14/05 10:02 AM, "Russ Carlson" <marruss@crosspaths.net> wrote:

> I have been sent several .pps attachments.  I do not have Powerpoint.
> Is there an application that will open these that can be used with  OS
> 10.3.9?
> 
> Russ
> 
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Phone:  (712) 243-1200
Mobile: (712) 254-0930

cwsmith@mchsi.com (home)
cwsmith@spymac.com (music)
winmactech@mchsi.com (technical)

http://cwsmith.spymac.com


From kickfire at i-rule.net  Wed Dec 14 13:58:12 2005
From: kickfire at i-rule.net (kickfire@i-rule.net)
Date: Wed Dec 14 13:55:07 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Unable to open
In-Reply-To: <BFC5D2B8.E5A%cwsmith@mchsi.com>
References: <BFC5D2B8.E5A%cwsmith@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <5BD3992E-DC85-476D-A654-A76164B25C84@i-rule.net>

I was kinda wondering if appleworks presentation could open it


dave


On Dec 14, 2005, at 1:46 PM, CW Smith wrote:

> If you have iWork, you *might* be able to open it with Keynote.   
> Anyone know
> for sure?
>
> On 12/14/05 10:02 AM, "Russ Carlson" <marruss@crosspaths.net> wrote:
>
>> I have been sent several .pps attachments.  I do not have Powerpoint.
>> Is there an application that will open these that can be used  
>> with  OS
>> 10.3.9?
>>
>> Russ
>>
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>
> -- 
>
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>    Audio / Video technician
>    Windows / Macintosh consultant
>
> 705 Maple Street
> Atlantic, Iowa 50022 USA
>
> Phone:  (712) 243-1200
> Mobile: (712) 254-0930
>
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>
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From rbowler at mchsi.com  Wed Dec 14 16:27:13 2005
From: rbowler at mchsi.com (Ray Bowler)
Date: Wed Dec 14 16:27:17 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] cables
In-Reply-To: <5EDC46CB-1B86-4804-81D5-487715F5F1E1@earthlink.net>
References: <a06210218bfc5e0fc822b@[10.0.1.4]>
	<5EDC46CB-1B86-4804-81D5-487715F5F1E1@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <a06210219bfc64a9d43e0@[10.0.1.4]>

Thanks Matt and Alan.  I have a transceiver already and do network 
the 7100. The photos are stored in a special format by the Apple 
program should allow me to select a format to save it in on the 
computer. I would use TIFF and then do save as JPG when I want to 
send them as email.

Right now I have the software loaded with OS 9.1 but it will not 
recognize that the camera is connected. I am assuming that I have a 
good printer cable but I think that I''ll see if I have another one 
to check to see if that is the problem. Otherwise think that I will 
reinstall on a OS 7.1 partition and see if that will work.

At 9:44 AM -0600 12/14/05, Matt W wrote:
>You could get a serial to USB adapter but they are very expensive 
>and take some setup. It's better to just network the two (like Alan 
>said) and move the files. I've got an available transceiver for the 
>7100 that will provide std. ethernet (RJ-45) out.
>
>Matthew
>
>On Dec 14, 2005, at 9:10 AM, Ray Bowler wrote:
>
>>I have just been given an Apple QuickTake 100 digital camera to 
>>play with. I need to use the old style printer cable to download 
>>from it to the computer.  I have the software on my 7100 running OS 
>>9.1 but I am wondering if there is a way to convert the output to 
>>USB so that I can use the Mac mini for this.
>>
>>This seems to be a simple camera but it might be useful. I want to 
>>check the quality at both resolutions and see what I can get from 
>>it. If nothing else my grand daughter would probably love it.
>>--
>>Ray
>
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Fourth Tues of the month.
See

    <WWW.DMMUG.ORG>
From maccelerate at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 14 17:02:12 2005
From: maccelerate at earthlink.net (Matt W)
Date: Wed Dec 14 17:02:17 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] cables
In-Reply-To: <a06210219bfc64a9d43e0@[10.0.1.4]>
References: <a06210218bfc5e0fc822b@[10.0.1.4]>
	<5EDC46CB-1B86-4804-81D5-487715F5F1E1@earthlink.net>
	<a06210219bfc64a9d43e0@[10.0.1.4]>
Message-ID: <BD7CA77E-F823-436F-84DB-5AB448EAAD41@earthlink.net>

It's probably just a driver problem if the camera is actually  
working. Try backing down to 8.5 or 8.6. I don't think you'll have to  
go back to 7.1. System 7.1 won't load on the 7100 anyway.

Matthew

On Dec 14, 2005, at 4:27 PM, Ray Bowler wrote:

> Thanks Matt and Alan.  I have a transceiver already and do network  
> the 7100. The photos are stored in a special format by the Apple  
> program should allow me to select a format to save it in on the  
> computer. I would use TIFF and then do save as JPG when I want to  
> send them as email.
>
> Right now I have the software loaded with OS 9.1 but it will not  
> recognize that the camera is connected. I am assuming that I have a  
> good printer cable but I think that I''ll see if I have another one  
> to check to see if that is the problem. Otherwise think that I will  
> reinstall on a OS 7.1 partition and see if that will work.
>
> At 9:44 AM -0600 12/14/05, Matt W wrote:
>
>> You could get a serial to USB adapter but they are very expensive  
>> and take some setup. It's better to just network the two (like  
>> Alan said) and move the files. I've got an available transceiver  
>> for the 7100 that will provide std. ethernet (RJ-45) out.
>>
>> Matthew
>>
>> On Dec 14, 2005, at 9:10 AM, Ray Bowler wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I have just been given an Apple QuickTake 100 digital camera to  
>>> play with. I need to use the old style printer cable to download  
>>> from it to the computer.  I have the software on my 7100 running  
>>> OS 9.1 but I am wondering if there is a way to convert the output  
>>> to USB so that I can use the Mac mini for this.
>>>
>>> This seems to be a simple camera but it might be useful. I want  
>>> to check the quality at both resolutions and see what I can get  
>>> from it. If nothing else my grand daughter would probably love it.
>>> --
>>> Ray
>>>
>>
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>
> -- 
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>
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>
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From ccampbel at campbellind.com  Thu Dec 15 13:47:39 2005
From: ccampbel at campbellind.com (Craig Campbell)
Date: Thu Dec 15 13:47:46 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Unable to open
In-Reply-To: <242bfba7490810aa09d8e956e7db90f1@crosspaths.net>
References: <242bfba7490810aa09d8e956e7db90f1@crosspaths.net>
Message-ID: <00E22AF3-0A8B-4353-BD76-CEF5DF8CD667@campbellind.com>

Try NeoOfficeJ. It's a port of OpenOffice to the Mac and it's free  
for downloading. It is close to 100% Microsoft Office compatible.

http://www.neooffice.org/

On Dec 14, 2005, at 10:02 AM, Russ Carlson wrote:

> I have been sent several .pps attachments.  I do not have  
> Powerpoint.  Is there an application that will open these that can  
> be used with  OS 10.3.9?
>
> Russ
>
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From marruss at crosspaths.net  Fri Dec 16 14:57:04 2005
From: marruss at crosspaths.net (Russ Carlson)
Date: Fri Dec 16 14:57:18 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Unable to open [PowerPoint]
In-Reply-To: <242bfba7490810aa09d8e956e7db90f1@crosspaths.net>
References: <242bfba7490810aa09d8e956e7db90f1@crosspaths.net>
Message-ID: <670ccb37d29e8128640caf3fddc1211f@crosspaths.net>

Thanks to all of you who make suggestions on opening the PowerPoint 
Attachment I was unable to open.

I tried Presentation in Appleworks but that did not work for me.  I 
don't have Keynote but I do have an older iMac with 9.2 on it so I 
downloaded the PowerPoint Viewer 98 and it worked.  I may try a 
download on NeoOffice at a later time.

Thanks again,
Russ
On Dec 14, 2005, at 10:02 AM, Russ Carlson wrote:

> I have been sent several .pps attachments.  I do not have Powerpoint.  
> Is there an application that will open these that can be used with  OS 
> 10.3.9?
>
> Russ
>
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From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Sun Dec 18 17:25:09 2005
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Sun Dec 18 17:25:53 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] 256mb Samsung memory
Message-ID: <p06230911bfcba026b3b4@[192.168.0.6]>

out of my 12" Powerbook = not used much because when it came, I had a 
larger chip to put in it = if anyone wants to buy it, let me know off 
list.  Thanks
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, civil rights attorney, http://www.herringlaw.com
Travel research & Photography, http://www.JourneyZing.com

"The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance 
of those who have much;  it is whether we provide enough for those 
who have too little."   Franklin D. Roosevelt
From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Mon Dec 19 05:58:47 2005
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Mon Dec 19 06:00:48 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] I need access to a PC for a [hopefully] quick tweak....
Message-ID: <p0623091bbfcc509b0f7f@[192.168.0.6]>

>X-From_: DiscSupport@seagate.com  Mon Dec 19 04:03:43 2005
>
>  Ms. Herring,
>
>  If you have a PC available we would be able to send you a "tool" to
>  disable SSC, forcing the drive to work in the SATA 1 mode.
>
>  Regards,
>
>  Rudy R.
>  Seagate Technical Support
>
>  ========== Customer's original message ==========
>
>  Apparently, this drive doesn't talk well to my G5
>
>  According to what I've been reading online, it appears that the the new
>  Seagate 7200.9 disk series is not recognized in the G5 due to the fact
>  that it
>  comes from the factory with SSC (Spread Spectrum Clocking) enabled.
>  Seagate's tech
>  support number is 800-732-4283. I'd call them.
>
>
>
>  I found this on apple's discussion boards. <
>  http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=595351&#595351>

-- 
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Travel research & Photography, http://www.JourneyZing.com

"The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance 
of those who have much;  it is whether we provide enough for those 
who have too little."   Franklin D. Roosevelt
From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Mon Dec 19 10:58:36 2005
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Mon Dec 19 11:01:28 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Anyone have Windows and a way to connect an internal drive?
Message-ID: <p06230937bfcc968d7484@[192.168.0.6]>

>X-From_: DiscSupport@seagate.com  Mon Dec 19 07:49:48 2005
>  Hello:
>
>  here are the files in a zipped format. Unzip the files and proceed as
>  follow:
>
>  you will need two floppy diskettes. One for the Win98 boot disk and
>  another for the SSC utility.
>
>  here are the steps to creating a Win98 boot disk.
>
>  Step 1: save the attachment to your hard drive (desktop is a good choice).
>  This way you can easily locate the file.
>  Step 2: Once you locate the file on your desktop, select it by double
>  clicking the file.
>  Step 3: Insert a blank floppy when prompted, and the program will create
>  the boot disk.
>
>  Note: Before restarting Windows you may want to complete Step 1 of running
>  the SSCset utility below.
>
>  Step 4: Restart Windows with the boot disk inserted into the floppy drive,
>  to boot to the DOS prompt
>
>  Running the SSCset utility
>  Step 1: Download the attachment and save to a floppy diskette.
>  Step 2: After booting to a DOS prompt using the Win98 boot disk, insert
>  the floppy diskette with the SSC utility on it.
>  Step 3: At the DOS prompt, type SSCset, then hit the enter key.
>  Step 4: The utility will run and provide a drive list and give you the SSC
>  status of drive on bus.
>  Step 5: Select the SATA "ST3500641AS"  and type T to toggle SSC.
>  Step 6: Pres the ESC key to exit the program.
>
>
>  Regards,
>
>  Kamel A.
>  Seagate Technical Support
>
>  ========== Customer's original message ==========
>
>  Go ahead and send it and I'll find a friend to do the task...Thanks, Rudy
>
>  >  Ms. Herring,
>  >
>  >  If you have a PC available we would be able to send you a "tool" to
>  >  disable SSC, forcing the drive to work in the SATA 1 mode.
>  >
>  >



>  >  Hello,
>  >
>  >  On our new 3Gbps SATA products we have implemented a standard SATA
>  feature
>  >  called Spread Spectrum Clocking, which helps to reduce electronic
>  >  emissions (EMI) in large, multi-drive systems. The drives meet EMI
>  >  specifications for single drive systems without this feature.
>  >
>  >  With Spread Spectrum Clocking, there are a small number of chipsets,
>  >  primarily in Apple branded systems, which do not support this feature.
>  >
>  >  As a result, users that purchase the 3Gbps SATA drives with Spread
>  >  Spectrum Clocking through distribution channels and install them into
>  >  these particular systems may have an issue with the system recognizing
>  the
>  >  drive.
>  >


-- 
Victoria L. Herring, civil rights attorney, http://www.herringlaw.com
Travel research & Photography, http://www.JourneyZing.com

"The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance 
of those who have much;  it is whether we provide enough for those 
who have too little."   Franklin D. Roosevelt
From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Mon Dec 19 17:49:27 2005
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Mon Dec 19 17:55:37 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Anyone have Windows and a way to connect an internal
	drive?
In-Reply-To: <p06230937bfcc968d7484@[192.168.0.6]>
References: <p06230937bfcc968d7484@[192.168.0.6]>
Message-ID: <p06230960bfccf75122d0@[192.168.0.6]>

Comp USA won't help me [manager said they could not or would not do 
it] - I do have the name of an IT person downtown who I'm sure will 
be fine, but is there anyone here who could do this to my 500GB 
Seagate?
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, civil rights attorney, http://www.herringlaw.com
Travel research & Photography, http://www.JourneyZing.com

"The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance 
of those who have much;  it is whether we provide enough for those 
who have too little."   Franklin D. Roosevelt
From cwsmith at mchsi.com  Mon Dec 19 19:55:05 2005
From: cwsmith at mchsi.com (CW Smith)
Date: Mon Dec 19 19:55:09 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Anyone have Windows and a way to connect an internal
	drive?
In-Reply-To: <p06230960bfccf75122d0@[192.168.0.6]>
Message-ID: <BFCCC099.E79%cwsmith@mchsi.com>

Would if I could, Victoria -- but I don't have any machines that will take
an SATA drive right now.  Stinks that CompUSEless won't do it -- especially
if you purchased the drive there.  Regardless, it shouldn't be an issue for
them.

On 12/19/05 5:49 PM, "Victoria L. Herring" <vlherring@herringlaw.com> wrote:

> Comp USA won't help me [manager said they could not or would not do
> it] - I do have the name of an IT person downtown who I'm sure will
> be fine, but is there anyone here who could do this to my 500GB
> Seagate?



-- 

Curt (CW) Smith
   Musician
   Audio / Video technician
   Windows / Macintosh consultant

705 Maple Street
Atlantic, Iowa 50022 USA

Phone:  (712) 243-1200
Mobile: (712) 254-0930

cwsmith@mchsi.com (home)
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http://cwsmith.spymac.com


From vlherring at herringlaw.com  Mon Dec 19 21:31:09 2005
From: vlherring at herringlaw.com (Victoria L. Herring)
Date: Mon Dec 19 21:55:40 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] Anyone have Windows and a way to connect an internal
	drive?
In-Reply-To: <BFCCC099.E79%cwsmith@mchsi.com>
References: <BFCCC099.E79%cwsmith@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <p06230962bfcd2b6c5938@[192.168.0.6]>

>Would if I could, Victoria -- but I don't have any machines that will take
>an SATA drive right now.  Stinks that CompUSEless won't do it -- especially
>if you purchased the drive there.  Regardless, it shouldn't be an issue for
>them.

No I didn't and that's probably why.  Oh well, we'll see what I can find.
-- 
Victoria L. Herring, civil rights attorney, http://www.herringlaw.com
Travel research & Photography, http://www.JourneyZing.com

"The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance 
of those who have much;  it is whether we provide enough for those 
who have too little."   Franklin D. Roosevelt
From jmuller38 at mchsi.com  Thu Dec 22 17:07:23 2005
From: jmuller38 at mchsi.com (Jeff Muller)
Date: Thu Dec 22 17:07:27 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] iPod/iTunes problem
Message-ID: <23083a9ed2d4dcd1a71edc2a4271af10@mchsi.com>

I recently bought several songs from the iTunes store and when I went 
to move them to my iPod, I got a message saying that my iPod software 
is too old and needs to be updated. Now I've done every update that's 
come down the pike including one within the past week and I still get 
this message. I've bought songs before and have never had any problems.

My iPod is an older 30G model, almost 4 yrs old, top of the line at the 
time. I'm still running Panther 10.3.9 and my iTunes is 6.0.1(3). I've 
considered burning the purchased songs to CD and then loading them back 
in but I don't want to hassle with it and I'm not sure it would even 
work. Anyone have any ideas why this is happening?

Thanks,
Jeff

From ka_klick at mac.com  Tue Dec 27 10:02:42 2005
From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker)
Date: Tue Dec 27 10:02:49 2005
Subject: [DM-MUG] No Meeting tonight
Message-ID: <1d8fcab2b8bec4dab3c01d263a44bd6d@mac.com>

It was announced at last months meeting, but for those of you who 
didn't attend (like myself) it was announced that we are not having a 
meeting in Dec. since the scheduled date is just too close to 
Christmas/New Years. Many of us have other priorities to attend to, and 
we anticipate a low attendance, anyway, so just to make it official, 
there will be no meeting tonight.

We will be back in full force in January to discuss whatever Steve 
unleashes at the next Macworld. The rumor mills are pointing to some 
big stuff, so I'm sure we'll have plenty to discuss then.

I myself will be out of town at a conference then, so sadly will be 
unable to attend myself.

So, hope you all are having a wonderful Holiday season, see you in the 
New Year!

--
Bryan Baker
President
Des Moines Macintosh Users Group
http://www.dmmug.org
president@dmmug.org

