Last call on Titanium Powerbook

From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Dec 1 14:28:40 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 08:28:40 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Last call on Titanium Powerbook Message-ID: --============_-1110211171==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I am selling my Powerbook on eBay as of Wednesday and to avoid that hassle and shipping cost, am checking one last time. Specs below = includes airport card, AppleCare warranty thru 9/05 and is in good one owner shape...I cleaned off harddrive and reinstalled operating system and applications...no warranties but then the Applecare should cover all. Apple Powerbook G4 15" Laptop with Airport & other features OS 10.1.5 all updated 768mb RAM L2 cache - 256k 667 mhz combo drive (DVD-Rom/CD-RW) = burns CDs and reads DVDs 30G harddrive USB - FW and PCMIA ports Ethernet and Airport card poweradapter is new (Applecare replaced 8/04) AppleCare valid to 9/9/05 reinstalled all software OS9 and OSX includes all CDs that came with it, original box, any other papers or materials that came with it Price is $11000.00 non negotiable (everymac has it at $1200-1300 for machine with fewer features) -- Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa, U.S.A. Attorney at Law, Consulting in and handling civil rights, discrimination and employment law matters: http://www.herringlaw.com; Owner, JourneyZing!, Your Source for Customized Trip & Travel Research: http://www.JourneyZing.com; blog: http://homepage.mac.com/victoriaherring/blogwavestudio/ --============_-1110211171==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Last call on Titanium Powerbook

I am selling my Powerbook on eBay as of Wednesday and to avoid that hassle and shipping cost, am checking one last time. Specs below = includes airport card, AppleCare warranty thru 9/05 and is in good one owner shape...I cleaned off harddrive and reinstalled operating system and applications...no warranties but then the Applecare should cover all.

Apple Powerbook G4 15" Laptop with Airport & other features

OS 10.1.5 all updated
768mb RAM
L2 cache - 256k
667 mhz
combo drive (DVD-Rom/CD-RW) = burns CDs and reads DVDs
30G harddrive
USB - FW and PCMIA ports
Ethernet and Airport card
poweradapter is new (Applecare replaced 8/04)
AppleCare valid to 9/9/05

reinstalled all software OS9 and OSX

includes all CDs that came with it, original box, any other papers or materials that came with it

Price is $11000.00 non negotiable (everymac has it at $1200-1300 for machine with fewer features)

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Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa, U.S.A. Attorney at Law, Consulting in and handling civil rights, discrimination and employment law matters: http://www.herringlaw.com; Owner, JourneyZing!, Your Source for Customized Trip & Travel Research: http://www.JourneyZing.com; blog: http://homepage.mac.com/victoriaherring/blogwavestudio/

--============_-1110211171==_ma============-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Dec 1 14:38:22 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 08:38:22 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Last call on Titanium Powerbook - whoops! Message-ID: --============_-1110210573==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 8:00 AM -0600 12/1/04, Tommy wrote: >$11,000. Yikes! well duh, that's what I get for late nite or early morning emails...mea culpa...obviously it's $1100....hope you didn't snort coffee out your nose this AM.... ;-) I am selling my Powerbook on eBay as of Wednesday and to avoid that hassle and shipping cost, am checking one last time. Specs below = includes airport card, AppleCare warranty thru 9/05 and is in good one owner shape...I cleaned off harddrive and reinstalled operating system and applications...no warranties but then the Applecare should cover all. Apple Powerbook G4 15" Laptop with Airport & other features OS 10.1.5 all updated 768mb RAM L2 cache - 256k 667 mhz combo drive (DVD-Rom/CD-RW) = burns CDs and reads DVDs 30G harddrive USB - FW and PCMIA ports Ethernet and Airport card poweradapter is new (Applecare replaced 8/04) AppleCare valid to 9/9/05 reinstalled all software OS9 and OSX includes all CDs that came with it, original box, any other papers or materials that came with it Price is $11000.00 non negotiable (everymac has it at $1200-1300 for machine with fewer features) -- Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa, U.S.A. Attorney at Law, Consulting in and handling civil rights, discrimination and employment law matters: http://www.herringlaw.com; Owner, JourneyZing!, Your Source for Customized Trip & Travel Research: http://www.JourneyZing.com; blog: http://homepage.mac.com/victoriaherring/blogwavestudio/ --============_-1110210573==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Last call on Titanium Powerbook - whoops!

At 8:00 AM -0600 12/1/04, Tommy wrote:

$11,000. Yikes!

well duh, that's what I get for late nite or early morning emails...mea culpa...obviously it's $1100....hope you didn't snort coffee out your nose this AM.... ;-)

Price is $11000.00 non negotiable (everymac has it at $1200-1300 for machine with fewer features)

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--============_-1110210573==_ma============-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Dec 1 15:02:48 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (jim lagnese) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 09:02:48 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Last call on Titanium Powerbook - whoops! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3184736574_12084545 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Even $1100 is steep. On 12/1/04 8:38 AM, "Victoria L. Herring" wrote: > At 8:00 AM -0600 12/1/04, Tommy wrote: >> $11,000. Yikes! > > well duh, that's what I get for late nite or early morning emails...mea > culpa...obviously it's $1100....hope you didn't snort coffee out your nose > this AM.... ;-) > > > > I am selling my Powerbook on eBay as of Wednesday and to avoid that hassle and > shipping cost, am checking one last time. Specs below = includes airport > card, AppleCare warranty thru 9/05 and is in good one owner shape...I cleaned > off harddrive and reinstalled operating system and applications...no > warranties but then the Applecare should cover all. > > Apple Powerbook G4 15" Laptop with Airport & other features > > OS 10.1.5 all updated > 768mb RAM > L2 cache - 256k > 667 mhz > combo drive (DVD-Rom/CD-RW) = burns CDs and reads DVDs > 30G harddrive > USB - FW and PCMIA ports > Ethernet and Airport card > poweradapter is new (Applecare replaced 8/04) > AppleCare valid to 9/9/05 > > reinstalled all software OS9 and OSX > > includes all CDs that came with it, original box, any other papers or > materials that came with it > Price is $11000.00 non negotiable (everymac has it at $1200-1300 for machine > with fewer features) --B_3184736574_12084545 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [DM-MUG] Last call on Titanium Powerbook - whoops! Even = $1100 is steep.

On 12/1/04 8:38 AM, "Victoria L. Herring" <vlherring@herringla= w.com> wrote:

At 8:00 AM -0600 12/1/04, Tommy wrote:

$11,000. Yikes!

well duh, that's what I get for late nite or early morning emails...mea cul= pa...obviously it's $1100....hope you didn't snort coffee out your nose this= AM.... ;-)

I am selling my Powerbook on eBay as of Wednesday and to avoid that hassle = and shipping cost, am checking one last time. Specs below =3D includes a= irport card, AppleCare warranty thru 9/05 and is in good one owner shape...I= cleaned off harddrive and reinstalled operating system and applications...n= o warranties but then the Applecare should cover all.

Apple Powerbook G4 15" Laptop with Airport & other featur= es

OS 10.1.5 all updated
768mb RAM
L2 cache - 256k
667 mhz
combo drive (DVD-Rom/CD-RW) =3D burns CDs and reads DVDs
30G harddrive
USB - FW and PCMIA ports
Ethernet and Airport card
poweradapter is new (Applecare replaced 8/04)
AppleCare valid to 9/9/05

reinstalled all software OS9 and OSX

includes all CDs that came with it, original box, any other papers or mater= ials that came with it
Price is $11000.00 non negotiable (everymac has it at $1200-1300 fo= r machine with fewer features)

--B_3184736574_12084545-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Dec 1 20:19:03 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Matt W) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 14:19:03 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Web & video cam without iChat Message-ID: <3E808911-43D6-11D9-A74B-000A95D7ED98@earthlink.net> Has anyone successfully used an iSight with Yahoo Messenger? Did you use the Yahoo software? Also, I'm looking for a cross-platform Web video solution from OS 9 to Win-something using Yahoo Messenger--simple home user scenario. Since I'm not a Yahoo member, I'd like to see if someone else has a solution before signing up and testing. http://messenger.yahoo.com/messenger/download/mac.html Thanks. Matthew From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Dec 1 21:17:48 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Darcy Baston) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 15:17:48 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Web & video cam without iChat In-Reply-To: <3E808911-43D6-11D9-A74B-000A95D7ED98@earthlink.net> References: <3E808911-43D6-11D9-A74B-000A95D7ED98@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <7380B0E2-43DE-11D9-A50B-000A95BC0616@spymac.com> I've used my Pyro Firewire Webcam using YM on my Mac, and was able to broadcast to a Windows YM user in 640x480. regards, Darcy On Dec 1, 2004, at 2:19 PM, Matt W wrote: > Has anyone successfully used an iSight with Yahoo Messenger? Did you > use the Yahoo software? > > Also, I'm looking for a cross-platform Web video solution from OS 9 to > Win-something using Yahoo Messenger--simple home user scenario. 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Herring) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 07:43:29 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: [MacLaw] Why I use a Mac Message-ID: From another list, a cautionary tale...as if we don't know. >My sister recently recounted their problems with their virus plagued Windows >computer, which crashed just as my nephew was putting the finishing touches >on his school report. Needless to say, that 12 year old was quite upset. The >problem was traced to a virus, even though anti- virus software was running >on the machine. My brother-in-law, who is a hardware engineer, later >installed a different hard drive onto the machine. Before he put it in, he >reformatted the drive. Even with a "clean" drive, the anti-virus software >still found THREE viruses! > >Guess where my brother-in-law got the replacement hard drive? It came out of >his sister's computer, rendered useless because a virus had made its way >onto the motherboard. > >Give me a Mac any day! -- Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa, U.S.A. Attorney at Law, Consulting in and handling civil rights, discrimination and employment law matters: http://www.herringlaw.com; Owner, JourneyZing!, Your Source for Customized Trip & Travel Research: http://www.JourneyZing.com; blog: http://homepage.mac.com/victoriaherring/blogwavestudio/ From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Dec 2 15:51:25 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Darcy Baston) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 09:51:25 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: [MacLaw] Why I use a Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <05D62E82-447A-11D9-999A-000A95BC0616@spymac.com> I hear "virus ate my motherboard" stories all the time, and it's misleading. Hardware can fail on its own without any software. I also hear "virus ate my hard drive" stories with even greater frequency, and that's also misleading. Windows can crash for any other number of reasons, and hard drives can also fail on their own. If the computer crashed while the 12 year old was working on a document, there may be document recovery options available. Many word processors auto-save. If the hard drive died completely, I highly doubt it was a virus. I don't know of any virus that can do that. There's also little ego reward to a virus writer if they can't track the progress of their work. A hardware failure doesn't communicate back to the author that a hit was made. That's why today's viruses are mostly internet based. Quick-fix thrills, as with a McDonald's burger, is also in the group consciousness of virus writers. Internet enabled viruses serve that purpose. Disabling hardware removes a chance that a computer/node will spread their virus. They much prefer your hardware stays healthy so they can install remote control software to use your machine without you knowing, see what's on your screen, track keystrokes and see files on your hard drive. Viruses can sit in the boot records of drives, which aren't always erased while formatting (even with /s to install io.sys, msdos.sys etc. in the early sectors of the drive). The hardware engineer could have replaced the master boot record with the command "fdisk /mbr". I love Mac and promote it as the choice platform exclusively, but all the problems with the 12 year old's computer and the one that was used for parts, don't sound PC platform centric. The same things can happen to Mac platforms because the hard drives are the same IDE/Serial ATA ones that PCs use. Motherboards, a product of manufacturing, fall into just as much failure probability as other circuits by other companies, regardless of who they are 3rd parties for. In manufacturing, it's impossible to make a perfect process. There is ALWAYS a stream of improperly made products showing up, but these are factored into quality/cost probability models. Dead pixels anyone? The probability of viral attack is lower on a Mac of course. WAY lower! Woohoo! But yeah, it's so much easier and doesn't require anyone to learn anything new, to just blame computer problems on a virus. :) I had to service a 1986 clone computer with a 10MB hard drive in it. It had worked fine for 6 years, and when it began failing, some tech person told the owner they had a virus and it was killing the drive. I knew that was BS, and told the people that the next time the computer wouldn't boot, slap the top of the computer with some enthusiasm. It worked every time. I wanted them to do that to show that those old drives, that weren't as air tight as the ones today, eventually got "sticky". They just ditched the old 1986 computer, but it's a good point that even in 1992, people were already blaming hardware failures on virii. warm wishes, Darcy On Dec 2, 2004, at 7:43 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote: > From another list, a cautionary tale...as if we don't know. > >> My sister recently recounted their problems with their virus plagued >> Windows >> computer, which crashed just as my nephew was putting the finishing >> touches >> on his school report. Needless to say, that 12 year old was quite >> upset. The >> problem was traced to a virus, even though anti- virus software was >> running >> on the machine. My brother-in-law, who is a hardware engineer, later >> installed a different hard drive onto the machine. Before he put it >> in, he >> reformatted the drive. Even with a "clean" drive, the anti-virus >> software >> still found THREE viruses! >> >> Guess where my brother-in-law got the replacement hard drive? It came >> out of >> his sister's computer, rendered useless because a virus had made its >> way >> onto the motherboard. >> >> Give me a Mac any day! From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Dec 2 16:33:55 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Ruth M.F. Tucker) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:33:55 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: [MacLaw] Why I use a Mac In-Reply-To: <05D62E82-447A-11D9-999A-000A95BC0616@spymac.com> Message-ID: Love this "fix". We had an old TV that we used for years after it should have failed using the same technique. Worked everytime. Ruth -- "There's a crack in everything and that's how the light gets in." --Leonard Cohen > From: Darcy Baston > Reply-To: dmmug@dmmug.org > Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 09:51:25 -0600 > To: dmmug@dmmug.org > Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Fwd: [MacLaw] Why I use a Mac >. . . . . . . . . > I had to service a 1986 clone computer with a 10MB hard drive in it. It > had worked fine for 6 years, and when it began failing, some tech > person told the owner they had a virus and it was killing the drive. I > knew that was BS, and told the people that the next time the computer > wouldn't boot, slap the top of the computer with some enthusiasm. It > worked every time. I wanted them to do that to show that those old > drives, that weren't as air tight as the ones today, eventually got > "sticky". They just ditched the old 1986 computer, but it's a good > point that even in 1992, people were already blaming hardware failures > on virii. > > warm wishes, > Darcy From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Dec 2 18:01:41 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Barry Von Ahsen) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 12:01:41 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: [MacLaw] Why I use a Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41AF5885.2080706@vonahsen.com> "...and it was, like, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. It was a really good paper" :) -barry Victoria L. Herring wrote: > From another list, a cautionary tale...as if we don't know. > >> My sister recently recounted their problems with their virus plagued >> Windows >> computer, which crashed just as my nephew was putting the finishing >> touches >> on his school report. Needless to say, that 12 year old was quite >> upset. The >> problem was traced to a virus, even though anti- virus software was >> running >> on the machine. My brother-in-law, who is a hardware engineer, later >> installed a different hard drive onto the machine. Before he put it >> in, he >> reformatted the drive. Even with a "clean" drive, the anti-virus software >> still found THREE viruses! >> >> Guess where my brother-in-law got the replacement hard drive? It came >> out of >> his sister's computer, rendered useless because a virus had made its way >> onto the motherboard. >> >> Give me a Mac any day! > > From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Dec 2 19:47:15 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (dmmug@dmmug.org) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 19:47:15 +0000 Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: [MacLaw] Why I use a Mac Message-ID: <120220041947.26183.907@mchsi.com> In TV we call this "impact maintenance." > Love this "fix". We had an old TV that we used for years after it should > have failed using the same technique. Worked everytime. > > > Ruth > -- "There's a crack in everything and that's how the light gets in." > --Leonard Cohen > > > > From: Darcy Baston > > Reply-To: dmmug@dmmug.org > > Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 09:51:25 -0600 > > To: dmmug@dmmug.org > > Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Fwd: [MacLaw] Why I use a Mac > >. . . . . . . . . > > I had to service a 1986 clone computer with a 10MB hard drive in it. It > > had worked fine for 6 years, and when it began failing, some tech > > person told the owner they had a virus and it was killing the drive. I > > knew that was BS, and told the people that the next time the computer > > wouldn't boot, slap the top of the computer with some enthusiasm. It > > worked every time. I wanted them to do that to show that those old > > drives, that weren't as air tight as the ones today, eventually got > > "sticky". They just ditched the old 1986 computer, but it's a good > > point that even in 1992, people were already blaming hardware failures > > on virii. > > > > warm wishes, > > Darcy > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Dec 2 20:32:12 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Russ & Marilyn Carlson) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 14:32:12 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: [MacLaw] Why I use a Mac References: <120220041947.26183.907@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <41AF7BCC.D5F5B121@crosspaths.net> If location, location, location is the key to real estate and diversification, diversification, diversification is the key to investments then saving, saving, saving is the key to preserving important data you can't afford to lose! Russ jmuller38@mchsi.com wrote: > > In TV we call this "impact maintenance." > > Love this "fix". We had an old TV that we used for years after it should > > have failed using the same technique. Worked everytime. > > > > > > Ruth > > -- "There's a crack in everything and that's how the light gets in." > > --Leonard Cohen > > > > > > > From: Darcy Baston > > > Reply-To: dmmug@dmmug.org > > > Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 09:51:25 -0600 > > > To: dmmug@dmmug.org > > > Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Fwd: [MacLaw] Why I use a Mac > > >. . . . . . . . . > > > I had to service a 1986 clone computer with a 10MB hard drive in it. It > > > had worked fine for 6 years, and when it began failing, some tech > > > person told the owner they had a virus and it was killing the drive. I > > > knew that was BS, and told the people that the next time the computer > > > wouldn't boot, slap the top of the computer with some enthusiasm. It > > > worked every time. I wanted them to do that to show that those old > > > drives, that weren't as air tight as the ones today, eventually got > > > "sticky". They just ditched the old 1986 computer, but it's a good > > > point that even in 1992, people were already blaming hardware failures > > > on virii. > > > > > > warm wishes, > > > Darcy > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Dmmug mailing list > > Dmmug@dmmug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Dec 2 20:39:03 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Arne Quanbeck) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 14:39:03 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: [MacLaw] Why I use a Mac In-Reply-To: <41AF7BCC.D5F5B121@crosspaths.net> References: <120220041947.26183.907@mchsi.com> <41AF7BCC.D5F5B121@crosspaths.net> Message-ID: <41AF7D67.3080209@arnequanbeck.com> Russ & Marilyn Carlson wrote: > If location, location, location is the key to real estate and > diversification, diversification, diversification is the key to > investments then > saving, saving, saving is the key to preserving important data you can't > afford to lose! > > Russ It is more: Save:backup #1, backup #2, backup #3 Save:backup #1, backup #2, backup #3 Save:backup #1, backup #2, backup #3 With each backup on a different physical location. Preferably one would be offline storage (CD, memory key etc). If you are really paranoid, one should also be off site. :) Arne From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Dec 2 22:53:36 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Darcy Baston) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:53:36 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: [MacLaw] Why I use a Mac In-Reply-To: <41AF5885.2080706@vonahsen.com> References: <41AF5885.2080706@vonahsen.com> Message-ID: <005076AC-44B5-11D9-BD07-000A95BC0616@spymac.com> LOL! That voice is permanently recorded in my brain... Darcy On Dec 2, 2004, at 12:01 PM, Barry Von Ahsen wrote: > "...and it was, like, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. It was a really > good paper" > > :) > > -barry From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Dec 2 22:54:58 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Darcy Baston) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:54:58 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: [MacLaw] Why I use a Mac In-Reply-To: <41AF7D67.3080209@arnequanbeck.com> References: <120220041947.26183.907@mchsi.com> <41AF7BCC.D5F5B121@crosspaths.net> <41AF7D67.3080209@arnequanbeck.com> Message-ID: <30CC96FA-44B5-11D9-BD07-000A95BC0616@spymac.com> I have a walk-in closet I can hold somebody's CDs in. But only if they contain Christmas MP3s that I get to inspect for data integrity. Yeah, that's it. Darcy On Dec 2, 2004, at 2:39 PM, Arne Quanbeck wrote: > Russ & Marilyn Carlson wrote: > >> If location, location, location is the key to real estate and >> diversification, diversification, diversification is the key to >> investments then saving, saving, saving is the key to preserving >> important data you can't >> afford to lose! >> Russ > > It is more: > Save:backup #1, backup #2, backup #3 > Save:backup #1, backup #2, backup #3 > Save:backup #1, backup #2, backup #3 > > With each backup on a different physical location. Preferably one > would be offline storage (CD, memory key etc). If you are really > paranoid, one should also be off site. :) > Arne > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Sat Dec 4 07:20:52 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 01:20:52 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Re: [MacLaw] Nifty software...QuickSilver... Message-ID: At the last meeting Bailey talked about Quicksilver and I shared the info with the MacLaw list and here's more info. > >On 04/12/2004, at 2:10 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote: > >> >> I've only started to use it but it certainly makes moving around and >> using apps. easier = keystroke Option + spacebar then first letters >> of the application (I suppose it opens other things but havent' tried >> that) and poof, click and open....it's still in beta but works and is >> so far still free....from Blacktree >> >> http://quicksilver.blacktree.com/docs/ >> -- >There is some discussion about things you can do with it here: > > > >If you search the site, there may be more. > >Warwick A Rothnie >Barrister -- Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa, U.S.A. Attorney at Law, Consulting in and handling civil rights, discrimination and employment law matters: http://www.herringlaw.com; Owner, JourneyZing!, Your Source for Customized Trip & Travel Research: http://www.JourneyZing.com; blog: http://homepage.mac.com/victoriaherring/blogwavestudio/ From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Dec 6 21:30:57 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Karen Lancaster) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 16:30:57 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Older MACs Message-ID: <20041206213057.3D317CA15F@ws3-2.us4.outblaze.com> Hello I have a 6100 Power Mac. I believe the hard drive is bad. It also has a mon= itor and a printer. I do not want to throw it away. I was wonder if your gr= oup has or knows of someone that would like to have it. Thank you Karen Lancaster --=20 _______________________________________________ Get your free Verizonmail at www.verizonmail.com From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Dec 6 22:10:34 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Arne Quanbeck) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 16:10:34 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Older MACs In-Reply-To: <20041206213057.3D317CA15F@ws3-2.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20041206213057.3D317CA15F@ws3-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <1102371033.14816.41.camel@blackbox.arnequanbeck.us> On Mon, 2004-12-06 at 15:30, Karen Lancaster wrote: > Hello > I have a 6100 Power Mac. I believe the hard drive is bad. It also has a monitor and a printer. I do not want to throw it away. I was wonder if your group has or knows of someone that would like to have it. > Thank you > Karen Lancaster This machine uses a SCSI hard drive (50 pin). Another issue on these machines is that they won't start when the clock battery is very low. Here are the system specs: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=112245 Arne From dmmug@dmmug.org Tue Dec 7 05:03:23 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Chris Tyrrell) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 23:03:23 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Epson 740 on an Airport base station Message-ID: <5234D90E-480D-11D9-AA8B-000D9369F14E@mchsi.com> When I bought an Airport last spring, I tried connecting my printer directly to the Airport, but never successfully got it to print from either my iMac (Jaguar) or iBook (Panther), even though I could "see" it. Since I had no reason to do it that way, I didn't try troubleshooting but instead just plugged it back into the ol' DV. Now I'd like to bring the iMac up out of the basement but leave the cable modem & base station down there with the printer, but I need to get past this problem first. Any tips? TIA! Cheers, Chris "The opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily a reflection of reality or consciousness." From dmmug@dmmug.org Tue Dec 7 14:01:46 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 08:01:46 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] [MacLaw] Fwd: Macs v PCs Message-ID: > >Begin forwarded message: > >Mac reseller DownUnder recently circulated this (to the converted) >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >>> MAC vs PC, Ten top reasons to choose Macintosh >>> ---------------------------- >>> We recently came across a site that analyses the results of over 2000 >>> reports and studies into the issues of MAC vs PC. >>> The summarised findings are: >>> >>> 1. Macintosh computers have substantially lower TOTAL COST OF >>> OWNERSHIP >>> (in fact Macs are 36% cheaper to own and operate). >>> 2. Mac OSX - Virus free and much more secure. >>> 3. The Mac OS is easier to learn, requires fewer keystrokes for >>> similar >>> tasks, and results in much higher user productivity than PCs. >>> 4. Macs are VERY reliable. Compared to Windows PCs, Macs are much >>> easier >>> to support and experience far fewer problems. >>> 5. For home, business and school related application usage, the >>> performance >>> speed of Macs is equal to or better than high-end PCs. >>> 6. Children learn more, learn faster, and are more >>> creative on Macs. >>> 7. Adults are more productive and are more satisfied using Macs. >>> 8. The Macintosh computer is a fully integrated system that comes >>> with all >>> >>> the software you are likely to need. >>> 9. Macs keep their value longer than PCs (better resale). >>> 10. Macs look fantastic. >>> >>> For more information on this study and others go to: >>> http://forgetcomputers.com/~jdroz/pages/03.html >>> http://corourke.customer.netspace.net.au/Mac/cost.html >>> >>> >> Kind regards >> >> Warwick A Rothnie > > Barrister > > -- Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa, U.S.A. Attorney at Law, Consulting in and handling civil rights, discrimination and employment law matters: http://www.herringlaw.com; Owner, JourneyZing!, Your Source for Customized Trip & Travel Research: http://www.JourneyZing.com; blog: http://homepage.mac.com/victoriaherring/blogwavestudio/ From dmmug@dmmug.org Tue Dec 7 22:21:13 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Matt W) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 16:21:13 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Epson 740 on an Airport base station In-Reply-To: <5234D90E-480D-11D9-AA8B-000D9369F14E@mchsi.com> References: <5234D90E-480D-11D9-AA8B-000D9369F14E@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <4DE42F79-489E-11D9-B129-000A95D7ED98@earthlink.net> Make sure you've got the most recent drivers on your Mac, try the CUPS drivers, repair permissions and test with another printer if you can borrow one to eliminate the 740 or drivers from the equation. I had a lot of problems with the 740 wirelessly. It would frequently lose connection before the print was completed and that job would have to be restarted. I've had better luck with newer printers so it could just be that particular printer driver. I'm not a big fan of wireless printing overall. Matthew On Dec 6, 2004, at 11:03 PM, Chris Tyrrell wrote: > When I bought an Airport last spring, I tried connecting my printer > directly to the Airport, but never successfully got it to print from > either my iMac (Jaguar) or iBook (Panther), even though I could "see" > it. Since I had no reason to do it that way, I didn't try > troubleshooting but instead just plugged it back into the ol' DV. Now > I'd like to bring the iMac up out of the basement but leave the cable > modem & base station down there with the printer, but I need to get > past this problem first. Any tips? TIA! > > > Cheers, > Chris > > > "The opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily a > reflection of reality or consciousness." > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Dec 8 18:19:43 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 12:19:43 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Perfect gift - Epson C86 printer... Message-ID: I received one as part of other purchase and don't need it = it's an unopened boxed Epson C86 Color Printer with lots of stuff inside/with it. If interested pls. contact me this week directly. -- Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa, U.S.A. Attorney at Law, Consulting in and handling civil rights, discrimination and employment law matters: http://www.herringlaw.com; Owner, JourneyZing!, Your Source for Customized Trip & Travel Research: http://www.JourneyZing.com; blog: http://homepage.mac.com/victoriaherring/blogwavestudio/ From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Dec 9 09:37:33 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 03:37:33 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: [MacLaw] May have a convert.... Message-ID: >Friend of mine who is lawyer but who is retiring to NMex. to do >photographic and follow creative pursuits is asking for computer for >Christmas and I'll be taking her to our Apple Store to show her >ideas....but thought I would ask here suggestions for which to focus >on. I think Desktop is what she is looking for. I thought of the >new iMac (larger size) or else a large monitor plus one of the faster >more powerful Macs. Any sugg. of what to focus on??? Thanks. >- Any suggestions from here??? We're going shopping at the Apple Store but wanted to make sure what I thought was at least on the mark....she'd be moving from a Dell (that had a major virus siege not long ago). -- Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa, U.S.A. Attorney at Law, Consulting in and handling civil rights, discrimination and employment law matters: http://www.herringlaw.com; Owner, JourneyZing!, Your Source for Customized Trip & Travel Research: http://www.JourneyZing.com; blog: http://homepage.mac.com/victoriaherring/blogwavestudio/ From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Dec 9 14:59:48 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (dmmug@dmmug.org) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 14:59:48 +0000 Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: [MacLaw] May have a convert.... Message-ID: <120920041459.20836.ae4@mchsi.com> > >Friend of mine who is lawyer but who is retiring to NMex. to do > >photographic and follow creative pursuits is asking for computer for > >Christmas and I'll be taking her to our Apple Store to show her > >ideas....but thought I would ask here suggestions for which to focus > >on. I think Desktop is what she is looking for. I thought of the > >new iMac (larger size) or else a large monitor plus one of the faster > >more powerful Macs. Any sugg. of what to focus on??? Thanks. > >- > > > Any suggestions from here??? We're going shopping at the Apple Store > but wanted to make sure what I thought was at least on the > mark....she'd be moving from a Dell (that had a major virus siege not > long ago). First of all, congratulate her on her voluntary exit from both the Wintel world and employment. Both are necessary evils. ;) For the typical consumer, an iMac would have plenty of juice. Even at the bottom of the product line, it's still a tremendously powerful computer. However, since you mention photography, she's potentially not the typical consumer. If she's interested in digital photography, she might benefit from something bigger and badder. Cheers, Chris From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Dec 9 16:38:05 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Kay & Don Peterson) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 10:38:05 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: [MacLaw] May have a convert.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Since she will be working with photography she may be needing to use it away from her office on occasion so she may want to consider a powerbook or ibook. Don On Dec 9, 2004, at 3:37 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote: >> Friend of mine who is lawyer but who is retiring to NMex. to do >> photographic and follow creative pursuits is asking for computer for >> Christmas and I'll be taking her to our Apple Store to show her >> ideas....but thought I would ask here suggestions for which to focus >> on. I think Desktop is what she is looking for. I thought of the >> new iMac (larger size) or else a large monitor plus one of the faster >> more powerful Macs. Any sugg. of what to focus on??? Thanks. >> - > > > Any suggestions from here??? We're going shopping at the Apple Store > but wanted to make sure what I thought was at least on the > mark....she'd be moving from a Dell (that had a major virus siege not > long ago). > -- > Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa, U.S.A. Attorney at Law, > Consulting in and handling civil rights, discrimination and > employment law matters: http://www.herringlaw.com; Owner, > JourneyZing!, Your Source for Customized Trip & Travel Research: > http://www.JourneyZing.com; blog: > http://homepage.mac.com/victoriaherring/blogwavestudio/ > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Dec 13 19:01:58 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:01:58 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Looking for DSM/Central IA based computer contract worker Message-ID: --============_-1109157935==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Friend has need of two types of people to work on subcontract basis with computers. Preference is for Windows based work, but is open to Mac if person can demonstrate it will work just fine with the project. 1. tester of Adobe Acrobat ver. 6 Professional PDF files for accessibility. Must have internet connection, experience with Acrobat and Word, writing skills, detail skills. Would pay $25 an hour and person could work flexibly as long as did the job on time and correctly. 2. Web developer familiar with Macromedia products, to conduct testing of websites. This would pay $35 an hour. If you are interested or know of someone who is, please email me directly at this address, the sooner the better. -- Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa, U.S.A. Attorney at Law, Consulting in and handling civil rights, discrimination and employment law matters: http://www.herringlaw.com; Owner, JourneyZing!, Your Source for Customized Trip & Travel Research: http://www.JourneyZing.com; blog: http://homepage.mac.com/victoriaherring/blogwavestudio/ --============_-1109157935==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Looking for DSM/Central IA based computer contract worker

Friend has need of two types of people to work on subcontract basis with computers. Preference is for Windows based work, but is open to Mac if person can demonstrate it will work just fine with the project.

1. tester of Adobe Acrobat ver. 6 Professional PDF files for accessibility. Must have internet connection, experience with Acrobat and Word, writing skills, detail skills. Would pay $25 an hour and person could work flexibly as long as did the job on time and correctly.

2. Web developer familiar with Macromedia products, to conduct testing of websites. This would pay $35 an hour.

If you are interested or know of someone who is, please email me directly at this address, the sooner the better.

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--============_-1109157935==_ma============-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Tue Dec 14 17:53:13 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (dmmug@dmmug.org) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:53:13 +0000 Subject: [DM-MUG] Amusing product warning Message-ID: <121420041753.14885.1ded@mchsi.com> I just noticed this stamped on the side of my iBook's power adapter- "CAUTION: For use with information technology equipment." Nothing about using it in the tub, so I guess that would be ok, eh? From dmmug@dmmug.org Tue Dec 14 19:07:38 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (kcrouch) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:07:38 Subject: [DM-MUG] Amusing product warning Message-ID: <20041214190738.16408.qmail@server284.com> Well Chris, you try the tub thing and have your wife let us know how it works. -------Original Message------- > From: cdtyrrell@mchsi.com > Subject: [DM-MUG] Amusing product warning > Sent: 14 Dec 2004 17:53:13 > > I just noticed this stamped on the side of my iBook's power adapter- > "CAUTION: For use with information technology equipment." > > Nothing about using it in the tub, so I guess that would be ok, eh? > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org[1] > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug[2] -------Original Message------- From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Dec 16 14:26:36 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (D.L.) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:26:36 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Start-up Question Message-ID: <7DD2BB8A-4F6E-11D9-967E-0003937A88E2@iowaone.net> --Apple-Mail-1-345944484 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I know I have found this before but for the life of me I don't remember.. What is the file that has the start up applications in it? I need to remove some Junk apps that I was trying and now want to remove. Thank you Dean L 612-605-7205 home 712-270-2000 cell dean@iowaone.net --Apple-Mail-1-345944484 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII I know I have found this before but for the life of me I don't remember.. What is the file that has the start up applications in it? I need to remove some Junk apps that I was trying and now want to remove. Thank you Dean L 612-605-7205 home 712-270-2000 cell dean@iowaone.net --Apple-Mail-1-345944484-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Dec 16 15:41:43 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 09:41:43 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] HSTV shopping in DSM Message-ID: I'm looking for HDTV type of television idea for xmas (can buy before, during, after holidays, no rush but would be nice to have on those cold winter nites!) and figure this list has wise people here who know about such...and where to check them out and buy them....so, anyone know anything and want to share? -- Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa, U.S.A. Attorney at Law, Consulting in and handling civil rights, discrimination and employment law matters: http://www.herringlaw.com; Owner, JourneyZing!, Your Source for Customized Trip & Travel Research: http://www.JourneyZing.com; blog: http://homepage.mac.com/victoriaherring/blogwavestudio/ From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Dec 16 16:13:10 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (John Kisner) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:13:10 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] HSTV shopping in DSM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <615C689C-4F7D-11D9-AA75-000393AC72DE@dwx.com> DISH network has a deal where you get an HDTV plus the HD receiver box for a great price. Not sure if they are still offering the bundles. One included an HD digital video recorder for $1000; the other just a regular HD receiver for $800. Call 1-800-333-DISH. http://www.dishnetwork.com/content/products/monitors/ Web site shows monitors at link above. I've been told that RCA makes the TVs. On Dec 16, 2004, at 9:41 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote: > I'm looking for HDTV type of television idea for xmas (can buy before, > during, after holidays, no rush but would be nice to have on those > cold winter nites!) and figure this list has wise people here who know > about such...and where to check them out and buy them....so, anyone > know anything and want to share? > -- > Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa, U.S.A. Attorney at Law, > Consulting in and handling civil rights, discrimination and > employment law matters: http://www.herringlaw.com; Owner, > JourneyZing!, Your Source for Customized Trip & Travel Research: > http://www.JourneyZing.com; blog: > http://homepage.mac.com/victoriaherring/blogwavestudio/ > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Dec 16 16:32:40 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (dmmug@dmmug.org) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:32:40 +0000 Subject: [DM-MUG] HSTV shopping in DSM Message-ID: <121620041632.28355.3de8@mchsi.com> In Des Moines, channels 8, 11, and 13 are available in HDTV over the air with just a pair of rabbit ears (but don't tell PETA). You should talk to the folks at Traviss AV, as I think you'll get much better information than from a salesperson at a big box store. Cheers, Chris > I'm looking for HDTV type of television idea for xmas (can buy > before, during, after holidays, no rush but would be nice to have on > those cold winter nites!) and figure this list has wise people here > who know about such...and where to check them out and buy them....so, > anyone know anything and want to share? > -- > Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa, U.S.A. Attorney at Law, > Consulting in and handling civil rights, discrimination and > employment law matters: http://www.herringlaw.com; Owner, > JourneyZing!, Your Source for Customized Trip & Travel Research: > http://www.JourneyZing.com; blog: > http://homepage.mac.com/victoriaherring/blogwavestudio/ > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Dec 16 17:08:34 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Jeff Muller) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:08:34 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] HSTV shopping in DSM In-Reply-To: <121620041632.28355.3de8@mchsi.com> References: <121620041632.28355.3de8@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <1E572559-4F85-11D9-B0C9-000393CC61CC@mchsi.com> I believe Chs. 5 & 17 are both broadcasting digitally, too. Chs. 59 & 16, respectively? And 17's been promoting HD for their NFL games. On Dec 16, 2004, at 10:32 AM, cdtyrrell@mchsi.com wrote: > In Des Moines, channels 8, 11, and 13 are available in HDTV over the > air with > just a pair of rabbit ears (but don't tell PETA). You should talk to > the folks > at Traviss AV, as I think you'll get much better information than from > a > salesperson at a big box store. > > > Cheers, > Chris >> I'm looking for HDTV type of television idea for xmas (can buy >> before, during, after holidays, no rush but would be nice to have on >> those cold winter nites!) and figure this list has wise people here >> who know about such...and where to check them out and buy them....so, >> anyone know anything and want to share? >> -- >> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa, U.S.A. Attorney at Law, >> Consulting in and handling civil rights, discrimination and >> employment law matters: http://www.herringlaw.com; Owner, >> JourneyZing!, Your Source for Customized Trip & Travel Research: >> http://www.JourneyZing.com; blog: >> http://homepage.mac.com/victoriaherring/blogwavestudio/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Dmmug mailing list >> Dmmug@dmmug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Dec 16 17:18:06 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:18:06 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] HDTV shopping in DSM In-Reply-To: <121620041632.28355.3de8@mchsi.com> References: <121620041632.28355.3de8@mchsi.com> Message-ID: >In Des Moines, channels 8, 11, and 13 are available in HDTV over the air with >just a pair of rabbit ears (but don't tell PETA). You should talk to the folks >at Traviss AV, as I think you'll get much better information than from a >salesperson at a big box store. We don't want to get a dish (we have cable) but the idea of going to Travis or Stogdills or some such is a very good idea....thanks much! -- Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa, U.S.A. Attorney at Law, Consulting in and handling civil rights, discrimination and employment law matters: http://www.herringlaw.com; Owner, JourneyZing!, Your Source for Customized Trip & Travel Research: http://www.JourneyZing.com; blog: http://homepage.mac.com/victoriaherring/blogwavestudio/ From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Dec 16 17:25:32 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Chris) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:25:32 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] HSTV shopping in DSM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7D6ED1C6-4F87-11D9-9F6C-003065C81C54@kavanaughgallery.com> Hello Victoria I'm not sure if I read your question correctly but if you are asking about what type of HDTV to purchase I would recommend Gateway. We purchased one of their large plasma units last year and it has been great. We had a problem with the unit (Which I think might have been caused by a storm induced power surge) Gateway sent a repair guy out. He determined that he could not fix it and they had a new unit set up and running within 3 days. We now use Mediacom HDTV but used Dish-network when we first purchased it. Both are fine, Medicoms dish buyback program was the reason for the change ( and the dish's problems with storm clouds). Best of luck Chris Someday you will find that there is a difference between wanting and having. http://www.kavanaughgallery.com On Dec 16, 2004, at 9:41 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote: > I'm looking for HDTV type of television idea for xmas (can buy before, > during, after holidays, no rush but would be nice to have on those > cold winter nites!) and figure this list has wise people here who know > about such...and where to check them out and buy them....so, anyone > know anything and want to share? > -- > Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa, U.S.A. Attorney at Law, > Consulting in and handling civil rights, discrimination and > employment law matters: http://www.herringlaw.com; Owner, > JourneyZing!, Your Source for Customized Trip & Travel Research: > http://www.JourneyZing.com; blog: > http://homepage.mac.com/victoriaherring/blogwavestudio/ > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Dec 16 17:30:46 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Matt W) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:30:46 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Start-up Question In-Reply-To: <7DD2BB8A-4F6E-11D9-967E-0003937A88E2@iowaone.net> References: <7DD2BB8A-4F6E-11D9-967E-0003937A88E2@iowaone.net> Message-ID: <38869B62-4F88-11D9-98FE-000A95D7ED98@earthlink.net> --Apple-Mail-2-356995137 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mac OS 10.3 = System Preferences / Accounts / Startup Items tab. Mac OS 10.2 = System Preferences / Login Items Mac OS 9 & below = System Folder / Startup Items folder Matthew On Dec 16, 2004, at 8:26 AM, D.L. wrote: > I know I have found this before but for the life of me I don't > remember.. > What is the file that has the start up applications in it? I need to > remove some Junk apps that I was trying and now want to remove. > > Thank you > Dean L > 612-605-7205 home > 712-270-2000 cell > dean@iowaone.net > --Apple-Mail-2-356995137 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Mac OS 10.3 = System Preferences / Accounts / Startup Items tab. Mac OS 10.2 = System Preferences / Login Items Mac OS 9 & below = System Folder / Startup Items folder Matthew On Dec 16, 2004, at 8:26 AM, D.L. wrote: I know I have found this before but for the life of me I don't remember.. What is the file that has the start up applications in it? I need to remove some Junk apps that I was trying and now want to remove. Thank you Dean L 612-605-7205 home 712-270-2000 cell dean@iowaone.net --Apple-Mail-2-356995137-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Dec 16 17:42:36 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Darcy Baston) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:42:36 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Start-up Question In-Reply-To: <38869B62-4F88-11D9-98FE-000A95D7ED98@earthlink.net> References: <7DD2BB8A-4F6E-11D9-967E-0003937A88E2@iowaone.net> <38869B62-4F88-11D9-98FE-000A95D7ED98@earthlink.net> Message-ID: --Apple-Mail-2-357704646 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed You can also have a look in /library/startupitems , from the root of your startup device and not your home folder. Darcy On Dec 16, 2004, at 11:30 AM, Matt W wrote: > Mac OS 10.3 = System Preferences / Accounts / Startup Items tab. > > Mac OS 10.2 = System Preferences / Login Items > > Mac OS 9 & below = System Folder / Startup Items folder > > Matthew > > On Dec 16, 2004, at 8:26 AM, D.L. wrote: > >> I know I have found this before but for the life of me I don't >> remember.. >> What is the file that has the start up applications in it? I need >> to remove some Junk apps that I was trying and now want to remove. >> >> Thank you >> Dean L >> 612-605-7205 home >> 712-270-2000 cell >> dean@iowaone.net >> --Apple-Mail-2-357704646 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII You can also have a look in /library/startupitems , from the root of your startup device and not your home folder. Darcy On Dec 16, 2004, at 11:30 AM, Matt W wrote: Mac OS 10.3 = System Preferences / Accounts / Startup Items tab. Mac OS 10.2 = System Preferences / Login Items Mac OS 9 & below = System Folder / Startup Items folder Matthew On Dec 16, 2004, at 8:26 AM, D.L. wrote: I know I have found this before but for the life of me I don't remember.. What is the file that has the start up applications in it? I need to remove some Junk apps that I was trying and now want to remove. Thank you Dean L 612-605-7205 home 712-270-2000 cell dean@iowaone.net --Apple-Mail-2-357704646-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Dec 16 18:33:50 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (D.L.) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:33:50 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Start-up Question In-Reply-To: <38869B62-4F88-11D9-98FE-000A95D7ED98@earthlink.net> References: <7DD2BB8A-4F6E-11D9-967E-0003937A88E2@iowaone.net> <38869B62-4F88-11D9-98FE-000A95D7ED98@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <07AA3D80-4F91-11D9-967E-0003937A88E2@iowaone.net> --Apple-Mail-2-360778633 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Something is wrong. I did a "Locate" on "System Preferences" and this is all I got.. BTW I forgot to state I am running a Imac Flat panel E/W 10.3.7 So now what am I doing wrong? /Applications/System Preferences.app/Contents/MacOS/System Preferences /System Folder/Preferences/System Preferences /Applications/System Preferences.app /Applications/System Preferences.app/Contents/Resources/System Preferences.scriptSuite /Applications/System Preferences.app/Contents/Resources/System Preferences.scriptTerminology Thank you Dean L 612-605-7205 home 712-270-2000 cell dean@iowaone.net On Dec 16, 2004, at 11:30 AM, Matt W wrote: > Mac OS 10.3 = System Preferences / Accounts / Startup Items tab. > > Mac OS 10.2 = System Preferences / Login Items > > Mac OS 9 & below = System Folder / Startup Items folder > > Matthew > > On Dec 16, 2004, at 8:26 AM, D.L. wrote: > >> I know I have found this before but for the life of me I don't >> remember.. >> What is the file that has the start up applications in it? I need >> to remove some Junk apps that I was trying and now want to remove. >> >> Thank you >> Dean L >> 612-605-7205 home >> 712-270-2000 cell >> dean@iowaone.net >> --Apple-Mail-2-360778633 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Something is wrong. I did a "Locate" on "System Preferences" and this is all I got.. BTW I forgot to state I am running a Imac Flat panel E/W 10.3.7 So now what am I doing wrong? /Applications/System Preferences.app/Contents/MacOS/System Preferences /System Folder/Preferences/System Preferences /Applications/System Preferences.app /Applications/System Preferences.app/Contents/Resources/System Preferences.scriptSuite /Applications/System Preferences.app/Contents/Resources/System Preferences.scriptTerminology Thank you Dean L 612-605-7205 home 712-270-2000 cell dean@iowaone.net On Dec 16, 2004, at 11:30 AM, Matt W wrote: Mac OS 10.3 = System Preferences / Accounts / Startup Items tab. Mac OS 10.2 = System Preferences / Login Items Mac OS 9 & below = System Folder / Startup Items folder Matthew On Dec 16, 2004, at 8:26 AM, D.L. wrote: I know I have found this before but for the life of me I don't remember.. What is the file that has the start up applications in it? I need to remove some Junk apps that I was trying and now want to remove. Thank you Dean L 612-605-7205 home 712-270-2000 cell dean@iowaone.net --Apple-Mail-2-360778633-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Dec 16 18:42:02 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Matt W) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:42:02 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Start-up Question In-Reply-To: <07AA3D80-4F91-11D9-967E-0003937A88E2@iowaone.net> References: <7DD2BB8A-4F6E-11D9-967E-0003937A88E2@iowaone.net> <38869B62-4F88-11D9-98FE-000A95D7ED98@earthlink.net> <07AA3D80-4F91-11D9-967E-0003937A88E2@iowaone.net> Message-ID: <2D5382FE-4F92-11D9-98FE-000A95D7ED98@earthlink.net> --Apple-Mail-3-361271314 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed System Preferences is in your Apple Menu, fourth item. It's where you modify your "system preferences." Matthew On Dec 16, 2004, at 12:33 PM, D.L. wrote: > Something is wrong. > I did a "Locate" on "System Preferences" and this is all I got.. > BTW I forgot to state I am running a Imac Flat panel E/W 10.3.7 > So now what am I doing wrong? > > /Applications/System Preferences.app/Contents/MacOS/System Preferences > /System Folder/Preferences/System Preferences > /Applications/System Preferences.app > /Applications/System Preferences.app/Contents/Resources/System > Preferences.scriptSuite > /Applications/System Preferences.app/Contents/Resources/System > Preferences.scriptTerminology > > Thank you > Dean L > 612-605-7205 home > 712-270-2000 cell > dean@iowaone.net > > > On Dec 16, 2004, at 11:30 AM, Matt W wrote: > >> Mac OS 10.3 = System Preferences / Accounts / Startup Items tab. >> >> Mac OS 10.2 = System Preferences / Login Items >> >> Mac OS 9 & below = System Folder / Startup Items folder >> >> Matthew >> >> On Dec 16, 2004, at 8:26 AM, D.L. wrote: >> >>> I know I have found this before but for the life of me I don't >>> remember.. >>> What is the file that has the start up applications in it? I need >>> to remove some Junk apps that I was trying and now want to remove. >>> >>> Thank you >>> Dean L >>> 612-605-7205 home >>> 712-270-2000 cell >>> dean@iowaone.net >>> --Apple-Mail-3-361271314 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII System Preferences is in your Apple Menu, fourth item. It's where you modify your "system preferences." Matthew On Dec 16, 2004, at 12:33 PM, D.L. wrote: Something is wrong. I did a "Locate" on "System Preferences" and this is all I got.. BTW I forgot to state I am running a Imac Flat panel E/W 10.3.7 So now what am I doing wrong? /Applications/System Preferences.app/Contents/MacOS/System Preferences /System Folder/Preferences/System Preferences /Applications/System Preferences.app /Applications/System Preferences.app/Contents/Resources/System Preferences.scriptSuite /Applications/System Preferences.app/Contents/Resources/System Preferences.scriptTerminology Thank you Dean L 612-605-7205 home 712-270-2000 cell dean@iowaone.net On Dec 16, 2004, at 11:30 AM, Matt W wrote: Mac OS 10.3 = System Preferences / Accounts / Startup Items tab. Mac OS 10.2 = System Preferences / Login Items Mac OS 9 & below = System Folder / Startup Items folder Matthew On Dec 16, 2004, at 8:26 AM, D.L. wrote: I know I have found this before but for the life of me I don't remember.. What is the file that has the start up applications in it? I need to remove some Junk apps that I was trying and now want to remove. Thank you Dean L 612-605-7205 home 712-270-2000 cell dean@iowaone.net --Apple-Mail-3-361271314-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Dec 16 18:45:27 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Matt W) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:45:27 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] HDTV shopping in DSM In-Reply-To: References: <121620041632.28355.3de8@mchsi.com> Message-ID: This is probably more than you wanted to know, but some of my info might help. I've already owned one HD set and returned it for reasons I won't go into here. A good place to shop is Audio-Video Logic in Urbandale (100th Street just North of Arby's). They do everything, mostly high-end but their prices are very competitive and I bought a set there that beat even online prices. Also shop Best Buy and American TV for prices and extended warranty if you already know what you want. Understand that very few people (any salesperson included) will know as much about a set as you will once you decide which one you like and research it. Sales is about selling, not about knowledge...unfortunate but true--even in the high-end shops. Hopefully you can find someone "smart" enough to help you get started. FYI, If you buy ANY HD set, you really should consider getting it calibrated in the room in which you install it (see links below). Why? In short, all TV's are set at the factory to "look better than the next set on the shelf." If you buy plasma or CRT, you're going to have a shortened picture life due to over-bright settings and you'll definitely have incorrect color. "Out-of-the-box" is not the best way to watch HD in any room. I got a significant boost in image quality from a calibration of my HD-ready Toshiba. I'm currently looking at a small Sony CRT at 34" (my room is small). It's the Sony KD-34XBR960 and very well-reviewed in this month's Widescreen Review (my fave HD mag). Perfect Vision is another good one. I don't like Sound & Vision because they love EVERYTHING they review. YMMV. Sony KD-34XBR960 Info http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/ SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start? CategoryName=xbr_tube&Dept=tv&ProductSKU=KD34XBR960 Why calibrate? http://www.dvdfile.com/news/special_report/production_a_z/ isfcalibration.htm http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/article/ 0,,2076_4129_21141095,00.html http://www.keohi.com/keohihdtv/isf/isf.html Matthew On Dec 16, 2004, at 11:18 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote: >> In Des Moines, channels 8, 11, and 13 are available in HDTV over the >> air with >> just a pair of rabbit ears (but don't tell PETA). You should talk to >> the folks >> at Traviss AV, as I think you'll get much better information than >> from a >> salesperson at a big box store. > > We don't want to get a dish (we have cable) but the idea of going to > Travis or Stogdills or some such is a very good idea....thanks much! > -- > Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa, U.S.A. Attorney at Law, > Consulting in and handling civil rights, discrimination and > employment law matters: http://www.herringlaw.com; Owner, > JourneyZing!, Your Source for Customized Trip & Travel Research: > http://www.JourneyZing.com; blog: > http://homepage.mac.com/victoriaherring/blogwavestudio/ > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Dec 16 19:40:41 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (D.L.) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:40:41 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Start-up Question In-Reply-To: <2D5382FE-4F92-11D9-98FE-000A95D7ED98@earthlink.net> References: <7DD2BB8A-4F6E-11D9-967E-0003937A88E2@iowaone.net> <38869B62-4F88-11D9-98FE-000A95D7ED98@earthlink.net> <07AA3D80-4F91-11D9-967E-0003937A88E2@iowaone.net> <2D5382FE-4F92-11D9-98FE-000A95D7ED98@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5EC5D89C-4F9A-11D9-967E-0003937A88E2@iowaone.net> --Apple-Mail-3-364790246 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed ok, Thank you.. I thought I had to change some file... I removed a couple of memory eaters I did not need. Now I must figure out how to stop some script from running that puts a blue ball on my screen.. It is one of the Dumb things I downloaded to have a look at... Just like some kid.. hi hi Now I wish I could remember what the name was so I could remove the app or script. It was not in that sys pref spot.. Thank you Dean L 612-605-7205 home 712-270-2000 cell dean@iowaone.net On Dec 16, 2004, at 12:42 PM, Matt W wrote: > System Preferences is in your Apple Menu, fourth item. It's where you > modify your "system preferences." > > Matthew > > On Dec 16, 2004, at 12:33 PM, D.L. wrote: > >> Something is wrong. >> I did a "Locate" on "System Preferences" and this is all I got.. >> BTW I forgot to state I am running a Imac Flat panel E/W 10.3.7 >> So now what am I doing wrong? >> >> /Applications/System Preferences.app/Contents/MacOS/System Preferences >> /System Folder/Preferences/System Preferences >> /Applications/System Preferences.app >> /Applications/System Preferences.app/Contents/Resources/System >> Preferences.scriptSuite >> /Applications/System Preferences.app/Contents/Resources/System >> Preferences.scriptTerminology >> >> Thank you >> Dean L >> 612-605-7205 home >> 712-270-2000 cell >> dean@iowaone.net >> >> >> On Dec 16, 2004, at 11:30 AM, Matt W wrote: >> >>> Mac OS 10.3 = System Preferences / Accounts / Startup Items tab. >>> >>> Mac OS 10.2 = System Preferences / Login Items >>> >>> Mac OS 9 & below = System Folder / Startup Items folder >>> >>> Matthew >>> >>> On Dec 16, 2004, at 8:26 AM, D.L. wrote: >>> >>>> I know I have found this before but for the life of me I don't >>>> remember.. >>>> What is the file that has the start up applications in it? I need >>>> to remove some Junk apps that I was trying and now want to remove. >>>> >>>> Thank you >>>> Dean L >>>> 612-605-7205 home >>>> 712-270-2000 cell >>>> dean@iowaone.net >>>> --Apple-Mail-3-364790246 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII ok, Thank you.. I thought I had to change some file... I removed a couple of memory eaters I did not need. Now I must figure out how to stop some script from running that puts a blue ball on my screen.. It is one of the Dumb things I downloaded to have a look at... Just like some kid.. hi hi Now I wish I could remember what the name was so I could remove the app or script. It was not in that sys pref spot.. Thank you Dean L 612-605-7205 home 712-270-2000 cell dean@iowaone.net On Dec 16, 2004, at 12:42 PM, Matt W wrote: System Preferences is in your Apple Menu, fourth item. It's where you modify your "system preferences." Matthew On Dec 16, 2004, at 12:33 PM, D.L. wrote: Something is wrong. I did a "Locate" on "System Preferences" and this is all I got.. BTW I forgot to state I am running a Imac Flat panel E/W 10.3.7 So now what am I doing wrong? /Applications/System Preferences.app/Contents/MacOS/System Preferences /System Folder/Preferences/System Preferences /Applications/System Preferences.app /Applications/System Preferences.app/Contents/Resources/System Preferences.scriptSuite /Applications/System Preferences.app/Contents/Resources/System Preferences.scriptTerminology Thank you Dean L 612-605-7205 home 712-270-2000 cell dean@iowaone.net On Dec 16, 2004, at 11:30 AM, Matt W wrote: Mac OS 10.3 = System Preferences / Accounts / Startup Items tab. Mac OS 10.2 = System Preferences / Login Items Mac OS 9 & below = System Folder / Startup Items folder Matthew On Dec 16, 2004, at 8:26 AM, D.L. wrote: I know I have found this before but for the life of me I don't remember.. What is the file that has the start up applications in it? I need to remove some Junk apps that I was trying and now want to remove. Thank you Dean L 612-605-7205 home 712-270-2000 cell dean@iowaone.net --Apple-Mail-3-364790246-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Dec 16 20:07:34 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 14:07:34 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] I had only to ask.... Message-ID: seems like David Pogue in Circuits in NYTimes is on top of things. 1. From the Desk of David Pogue: How Far Away From HDTV? ======================================================== http://www.nytimes.com/circuitsemail?8cir with links and info.... -- Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa, U.S.A. Attorney at Law, Consulting in and handling civil rights, discrimination and employment law matters: http://www.herringlaw.com; Owner, JourneyZing!, Your Source for Customized Trip & Travel Research: http://www.JourneyZing.com; blog: http://homepage.mac.com/victoriaherring/blogwavestudio/ From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Dec 16 23:36:54 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (John Turnage) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:36:54 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] HDTV shopping in DSM In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on 12/16/04 11:18 AM, Victoria L. Herring at vlherring@herringlaw.com wrote: >> In Des Moines, channels 8, 11, and 13 are available in HDTV over the air with >> just a pair of rabbit ears (but don't tell PETA). You should talk to the >> folks >> at Traviss AV, as I think you'll get much better information than from a >> salesperson at a big box store. > > We don't want to get a dish (we have cable) but the idea of going to > Travis or Stogdills or some such is a very good idea....thanks much! Ask for Randy at Traviss. Nice guy, and like Bill Reichardt used to say, "he owns the store". If you need any warranty or repair work done, Traviss will not forget you. They have been in Des Moines for over 50 years. Spend some time in their store; they have some great "toys". I asked my wife for a 42" plasma TV. She said if I like big screens then all I need to do is sit closer to the TV we have (8 year old Sony 20"). Life is hard. John From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Dec 17 02:07:10 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Matt W) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:07:10 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] 10.3.7 update Message-ID: <5C305726-4FD0-11D9-A7C1-000A95D7ED98@earthlink.net> BTW, if anyone has had problems mounting FireWire external devices or clicking (or entering) a link a few times before your favorite browser will work, 10.3.7 should fix your wagon, it did mine. It's out now. I usually opt for a Combo update (if you can swing the download), but the patch should be in Software Update. Cheers! Matthew From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Dec 17 03:29:30 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Matt W) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 21:29:30 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] HDTV shopping in DSM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Randy Traviss?" There's a joke there somewhere. I bought my HD set from another vendor but HAD to have it serviced by Traviss. I liked their service quite a bit. They came out twice without confirmation of payment from Toshiba who's apparently a little slow in their financial reimbursement. Good folks at Traviss. Sales was like any other (that I talked to) but they had a decent showroom to look at. 8-year-old Sony 20?!" Hey, me too. Ha! Matthew On Dec 16, 2004, at 5:36 PM, John Turnage wrote: > > Ask for Randy at Traviss. Nice guy, and like Bill Reichardt used to > say, > "he owns the store". > > If you need any warranty or repair work done, Traviss will not forget > you. > > They have been in Des Moines for over 50 years. Spend some time in > their > store; they have some great "toys". > > I asked my wife for a 42" plasma TV. She said if I like big screens > then > all I need to do is sit closer to the TV we have (8 year old Sony 20"). > Life is hard. > > John From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Dec 17 04:20:33 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bryan Baker) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 22:20:33 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] HDTV shopping in DSM In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: --Apple-Mail-2-395982012 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Got ya beat (on the bedroom set) - it's a 24" Sony that's 17 years old. It's been to Travis a couple times, but (so far) has been worth fixing. We bought our 32" for the living room there when we had the 24" in there for service. I'd say all our experience w/ them has been good so far. On Dec 16, 2004, at 9:29 PM, Matt W wrote: > 8-year-old Sony 20?!" Hey, me too. 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Dealing with a local vendor who actually services what they sell should be rewarded. I have several times shopped around and then gone to Travis and Stogdill's and asked them to match the best price that I found. They couldn't match it one time but it was close enough. Also, knowing that I could get it serviced there later without sending it out for repair made it the best investment. My Sony VCR that I got at Stogdills and later service= d there made it worth it. And years ago when Travis also sold Magnavox I took him not only my TV but also my computer display for my Apple IIGS and he repaired it as well under warranty. All of the VCR's and TV's that I actually purchased for myself I got from these two places because they service what they sell. Being a local independent dealer is tough but these guys know how to provid= e service and that is what keeps customers coming back. One thing to keep in mind is that these plasma displays that everyone likes to admire is that in 3 years or so they start getting noticeably dimmer. The good thing about CRT's is that they last for 10 years (sometimes too long). So keep these things in mind. Happy Holidays and good shopping! Alan On 12/16/04 9:41 AM, "Victoria L. Herring" wrote= : > I'm looking for HDTV type of television idea for xmas (can buy > before, during, after holidays, no rush but would be nice to have on > those cold winter nites!) and figure this list has wise people here > who know about such...and where to check them out and buy them....so, > anyone know anything and want to share? =95=95=95=95 Please send mail to alan@gohaddock.com Alan Hansen Haddock Computer 801 73rd Street, Suite I, Windsor Heights, IA 50312 www.gohaddock.com (515) 225-9040 fax (515) 225-1264 iChat/AIM: AlanH@mac.com Fax education orders toll free to 888-873-2775 or (888-USE-APPL) Apple Sales Specialist, Apple Authorized Education Agent #SA69327 Apple Service Provider Plus, Canon Video Dealer Proud member of Apple's Service, Training and Reseller Advisory Boards From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Dec 17 05:38:22 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Matt W) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 23:38:22 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] HSTV shopping in DSM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Dec 16, 2004, at 10:49 PM, Alan Hansen wrote: > > One thing to keep in mind is that these plasma displays that everyone > likes > to admire is that in 3 years or so they start getting noticeably > dimmer. ...or dead pixels, or noticeable burn-in. It's an interesting market. I wouldn't call it a cover-up, but I've read some things about plasma tech and wondered how it got so popular, and at such high prices. I don't think it looks all that great either. Yes, it's bright and thin, but that's all it's got. It's weaknesses are glaring. I guess if you're rich enough to afford one, then it doesn't matter if it lasts. Matthew > The good thing about CRT's is that they last for 10 years (sometimes > too > long). 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Herring) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 07:58:53 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] HSTV shopping in DSM In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: There is so much out there (my confusion is=20 great) that it's hard knowing what to get or=20 do...these suggestions and cautions are excellent=20 and I too like keeping my $$ in DSM and shop=20 locally when I can...will be reading more and=20 hoping to be able to find a good answer.....or to=20 decide to wait if the time isn't right...thanks=20 for the warnings! -- Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa - Owner,=20 http://www.JourneyZing.com - and Attorney at Law,=20 http://www.herringlaw.com. iChat AV:=20 victoriaherring [@mac.com]. From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Dec 17 17:52:41 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Matt W) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 11:52:41 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] HSTV shopping in DSM In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: <728D799B-5054-11D9-A46F-000A95D7ED98@earthlink.net> You might also consider an interim choice, and one that might give you a little more HD experience before buying an expensive set for the living room. EyeTV 500. http://www.elgato.com/index.php?file=products_eyetvmain2&countrytogo=33 Looking at all the specs of all the different models can be daunting at first, but there are ONLY two models for sale in the US (we use a different and some say inferior HD standard than everyone else). The EyeTV 200 is NTSC (regular old analog TV), and the EyeTV 500 does ATSC or HD. Now, this little gadget is an HD terrestrial tuner/PVR (don't think it works with cable or sat). So that means you plug it into an antenna and it shows you TV on your Mac. If you have a Cinema Display you've already got an HD display (or near-HD if it's an early model). The EyeTV 200 (analog) has a rebate, I don't know if the 500 does, but even if it doesn't, the price isn't nearly as much as a whole new TV. Plus, you get the PVR features, a remote and a well-thought out product. I just bought the 200 and will report once I've set it up. Matthew On Dec 17, 2004, at 7:58 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote: > There is so much out there (my confusion is great) that it's hard > knowing what to get or do...these suggestions and cautions are > excellent and I too like keeping my $$ in DSM and shop locally when I > can...will be reading more and hoping to be able to find a good > answer.....or to decide to wait if the time isn't right...thanks for > the warnings! > -- > Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa - Owner, > http://www.JourneyZing.com - and Attorney at Law, > http://www.herringlaw.com. iChat AV: victoriaherring [@mac.com]. > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Sat Dec 18 06:38:25 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 00:38:25 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] HDTV shopping in DSM In-Reply-To: <7D6ED1C6-4F87-11D9-9F6C-003065C81C54@kavanaughgallery.com> References: <7D6ED1C6-4F87-11D9-9F6C-003065C81C54@kavanaughgallery.com> Message-ID: Just thought I'd report....spent this afternoon=20 shopping and looking and researching - very=20 helpful folks at Stogdills, Traviss, Sears and=20 BEstBuy. Pricing at BB same as at Stogdills and=20 Traviss more or less, depending on model. Not=20 sure what we will do but all of the advice here=20 has been helpful. I am having one problem that probably has a=20 simple answer. My preference from looking at=20 things is for a 16:9 'rectangular' rear=20 projection DLP model - they give sizes such as=20 42, 50, 55 or whatever -- is that still the=20 diagonal size that we're used to on older CRTs??=20 =46rankly they look pretty huge and I wondered=20 about the effect of te 16:9 ratio....if anyone=20 has a simple answer....The other Q is how=20 big....not too big because the room isn't that=20 large and we're only about 9-10 feet from the TV,=20 but other than the Pogue article, does anyone=20 have a suggestion??? Thanks for the help... -- Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa - Owner,=20 http://www.JourneyZing.com - and Attorney at Law,=20 http://www.herringlaw.com. iChat AV:=20 victoriaherring [@mac.com]. From dmmug@dmmug.org Sat Dec 18 15:52:57 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (John Kisner) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 09:52:57 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] HDTV shopping in DSM In-Reply-To: References: <7D6ED1C6-4F87-11D9-9F6C-003065C81C54@kavanaughgallery.com> Message-ID: I have a 42-inch projection monitor like the ones you are thinking about. It took some getting used to, since it is in a room that is really too small for the screen. I still don't like the glare you get from any open window or light that shines on the screen, but it's a lot of screen for the buck. Some salesmen quoted me rules of thumb when I was TV shopping, but it seemed to vary from one salesman to another. You have a bigger room than I have for the TV, so I'm sure you'd be fine with a 42-inch screen. You would probably be fine with an even bigger screen, but I wouldn't go beyond 50 inches. I would also strongly suggest thinking about the "glare" issue. If you like a sunny room, and the light comes from the screen-side of the room, maybe you should take another look at tubes (or LCD). I think the only sensible way to go for a new TV is 16x9 ratio. You get used to "stretching" non-HD shows -- people look fat. However. 96% of what you watch right now is in "full screen" shape, and I have a friend who bought a 40-inch Sony tube (4x3 screen ratio) because a) what he watches is mostly 4x3 ratio, b) he has little interest in network broadcasts, which are about the only source of 16x9 programs (assuming you have a roof antenna and a converter box), and c) he didn't like the glare on my projection TV (nor does he like watching TV in the dark). John On Dec 18, 2004, at 12:38 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote: > Just thought I'd report....spent this afternoon shopping and looking > and researching - very helpful folks at Stogdills, Traviss, Sears and > BEstBuy. Pricing at BB same as at Stogdills and Traviss more or less, > depending on model. Not sure what we will do but all of the advice > here has been helpful. > > I am having one problem that probably has a simple answer. My > preference from looking at things is for a 16:9 'rectangular' rear > projection DLP model - they give sizes such as 42, 50, 55 or whatever > -- is that still the diagonal size that we're used to on older CRTs?? > Frankly they look pretty huge and I wondered about the effect of te > 16:9 ratio....if anyone has a simple answer....The other Q is how > big....not too big because the room isn't that large and we're only > about 9-10 feet from the TV, but other than the Pogue article, does > anyone have a suggestion??? > > Thanks for the help... > -- > Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa - Owner, > http://www.JourneyZing.com - and Attorney at Law, > http://www.herringlaw.com. iChat AV: victoriaherring [@mac.com]. > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Dec 20 23:39:54 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (David Thrasher) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:39:54 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [DM-MUG] HDTV shopping in DSM Message-ID: <31419216.1103585994939.JavaMail.root@bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net> You should definitely never get used to the stretched 4:3 aspect ratio picture on a 16x9 set. All it means is that the TV is set up incorrectly for the video you are watching. Most of these 16x9 televisions should have presets for the aspect ratios you are likely to view. The correct one for video that isn't 16x9 (the standard 4:3 ratio, that is) is one that will put a non-stretched version of the image in the middle of the screen with black to the left and right of it. That will allow you to see all of it without people looking fat. If you don't mind losing picture information, there may also be one that essentially cuts off the top and bottom of the standard sized picture and uses the middle of it to fill the 16x9 screen. This is similar to most of the widescreen you see at the theatres. Use this with caution though because not everything shot for 4:3 was shot with this in mind and you may cut off heads or some other vital area of the picture. -----Original Message----- I think the only sensible way to go for a new TV is 16x9 ratio. You get used to "stretching" non-HD shows -- people look fat. However. 96% of what you watch right now is in "full screen" shape, and I have a friend who bought a 40-inch Sony tube (4x3 screen ratio) because a) what he watches is mostly 4x3 ratio, b) he has little interest in network broadcasts, which are about the only source of 16x9 programs (assuming you have a roof antenna and a converter box), and c) he didn't like the glare on my projection TV (nor does he like watching TV in the dark). John On Dec 18, 2004, at 12:38 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote: > Just thought I'd report....spent this afternoon shopping and looking > and researching - very helpful folks at Stogdills, Traviss, Sears and > BEstBuy. Pricing at BB same as at Stogdills and Traviss more or less, > depending on model. Not sure what we will do but all of the advice > here has been helpful. > > I am having one problem that probably has a simple answer. My > preference from looking at things is for a 16:9 'rectangular' rear > projection DLP model - they give sizes such as 42, 50, 55 or whatever > -- is that still the diagonal size that we're used to on older CRTs?? > Frankly they look pretty huge and I wondered about the effect of te > 16:9 ratio....if anyone has a simple answer....The other Q is how > big....not too big because the room isn't that large and we're only > about 9-10 feet from the TV, but other than the Pogue article, does > anyone have a suggestion??? > > Thanks for the help... > -- > Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa - Owner, > http://www.JourneyZing.com - and Attorney at Law, > http://www.herringlaw.com. iChat AV: victoriaherring [@mac.com]. > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > _______________________________________________ Dmmug mailing list Dmmug@dmmug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug David Thrasher 4341 Grand Avenue, Unit 5 Des Moines, Iowa 50312 e-mail: idave@earthlink.net eBay name: daveindezmenez From dmmug@dmmug.org Tue Dec 21 01:44:17 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (John Kisner) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 19:44:17 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] HDTV shopping in DSM In-Reply-To: <31419216.1103585994939.JavaMail.root@bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net> References: <31419216.1103585994939.JavaMail.root@bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: One reason to get used to "stretch" modes is to avoid risk of screen burn-in from the black/gray bands. This is a problem with projection TVs. The other reason is that the black/gray bands are just as annoying as the "fat" people. On Dec 20, 2004, at 5:39 PM, David Thrasher wrote: > You should definitely never get used to the stretched 4:3 aspect ratio > picture on a 16x9 set. All it means is that the TV is set up > incorrectly for the video you are watching. > > Most of these 16x9 televisions should have presets for the aspect > ratios you are likely to view. The correct one for video that isn't > 16x9 (the standard 4:3 ratio, that is) is one that will put a > non-stretched version of the image in the middle of the screen with > black to the left and right of it. That will allow you to see all of > it without people looking fat. > > If you don't mind losing picture information, there may also be one > that essentially cuts off the top and bottom of the standard sized > picture and uses the middle of it to fill the 16x9 screen. This is > similar to most of the widescreen you see at the theatres. Use this > with caution though because not everything shot for 4:3 was shot with > this in mind and you may cut off heads or some other vital area of the > picture. > > -----Original Message----- > > I think the only sensible way to go for a new TV is 16x9 ratio. You > get used to "stretching" non-HD shows -- people look fat. However. 96% > of what you watch right now is in "full screen" shape, and I have a > friend who bought a 40-inch Sony tube (4x3 screen ratio) because a) > what he watches is mostly 4x3 ratio, b) he has little interest in > network broadcasts, which are about the only source of 16x9 programs > (assuming you have a roof antenna and a converter box), and c) he > didn't like the glare on my projection TV (nor does he like watching TV > in the dark). > > John > > On Dec 18, 2004, at 12:38 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote: > >> Just thought I'd report....spent this afternoon shopping and looking >> and researching - very helpful folks at Stogdills, Traviss, Sears and >> BEstBuy. Pricing at BB same as at Stogdills and Traviss more or less, >> depending on model. Not sure what we will do but all of the advice >> here has been helpful. >> >> I am having one problem that probably has a simple answer. My >> preference from looking at things is for a 16:9 'rectangular' rear >> projection DLP model - they give sizes such as 42, 50, 55 or whatever >> -- is that still the diagonal size that we're used to on older CRTs?? >> Frankly they look pretty huge and I wondered about the effect of te >> 16:9 ratio....if anyone has a simple answer....The other Q is how >> big....not too big because the room isn't that large and we're only >> about 9-10 feet from the TV, but other than the Pogue article, does >> anyone have a suggestion??? >> >> Thanks for the help... >> -- >> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa - Owner, >> http://www.JourneyZing.com - and Attorney at Law, >> http://www.herringlaw.com. iChat AV: victoriaherring [@mac.com]. >> _______________________________________________ >> Dmmug mailing list >> Dmmug@dmmug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > > David Thrasher > 4341 Grand Avenue, Unit 5 > Des Moines, Iowa 50312 > > e-mail: idave@earthlink.net > eBay name: daveindezmenez > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Dec 20 23:58:46 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:58:46 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] HDTV shopping in DSM In-Reply-To: <31419216.1103585994939.JavaMail.root@bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net> References: <31419216.1103585994939.JavaMail.root@bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: I want to thank all for ideas and=20 information....have spent the past several days=20 here, online and in stores, checking into=20 things...right now the two best for what we are=20 looking into are rear projection units (LCD or=20 DLP) and about 50" of size, no bigger.....and=20 Sony brand seems highly regarded as does=20 Mitsubishi -- haven't narrowed it further other=20 than when I looked at Traviss (and liked their=20 Sony) and then called back later with a Q ref=20 extended warranty the man who answered basically=20 said they didn't sell them and was rather=20 haughty about it ...so scratch them off the list.=20 My lst desire would be to stay in DSM (Stogdills)=20 but they apparently just sold their last Sony 50"=20 and waht they'll be getting in and selling is the=20 Mitsubishi 52" - which is gorgeous, but much more=20 $ and size... we could go with smaller (42") abut=20 that is a bit too small...oh well, it's late=20 enough we don't have to rush the purchase so=20 maybe this will all happen next year! Thanks again... -- Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa - Owner,=20 http://www.JourneyZing.com - and Attorney at Law,=20 http://www.herringlaw.com. iChat AV:=20 victoriaherring [@mac.com]. From dmmug@dmmug.org Tue Dec 21 02:03:35 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Chris Tyrrell) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 20:03:35 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] HDTV shopping in DSM In-Reply-To: References: <31419216.1103585994939.JavaMail.root@bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <85AF4B9C-52F4-11D9-84CF-000D9369F14E@mchsi.com> On Dec 20, 2004, at 5:58 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote: > I want to thank all for ideas and information... At this point, you probably know more about HDTV that you want to, but there's a story about the various formats and options on the front of the Iowa Life section of today's DM Register. It must only be in the print edition, as I couldn't find anything online to link to. Merry Christmas, Chris "The opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily a reflection of reality or consciousness." From dmmug@dmmug.org Tue Dec 21 02:33:15 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Jon Engelhardt) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 20:33:15 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] HDTV shopping in DSM In-Reply-To: References: <31419216.1103585994939.JavaMail.root@bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Victoria, Don't scratch Travis off the list because of a phone response, these are long days for sales folks. You really don't need the extended warranty with a Sony, if there's a problem you will see it fairly quickly. Like most extended warranties, they are a waste of money. Jon On Dec 20, 2004, at 5:58 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote: > I want to thank all for ideas and information....have spent the past > several days here, online and in stores, checking into things...right > now the two best for what we are looking into are rear projection > units (LCD or DLP) and about 50" of size, no bigger.....and Sony brand > seems highly regarded as does Mitsubishi -- haven't narrowed it > further other than when I looked at Traviss (and liked their Sony) and > then called back later with a Q ref extended warranty the man who > answered basically said they didn't sell them and was rather haughty > about it ...so scratch them off the list. My lst desire would be to > stay in DSM (Stogdills) but they apparently just sold their last Sony > 50" and waht they'll be getting in and selling is the Mitsubishi 52" - > which is gorgeous, but much more $ and size... we could go with > smaller (42") abut that is a bit too small...oh well, it's late enough > we don't have to rush the purchase so maybe this will all happen next > year! > > Thanks again... > -- > Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa - Owner, > http://www.JourneyZing.com - and Attorney at Law, > http://www.herringlaw.com. iChat AV: victoriaherring [@mac.com]. > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Tue Dec 21 03:12:37 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Matt W) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 21:12:37 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] HDTV shopping in DSM In-Reply-To: References: <31419216.1103585994939.JavaMail.root@bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net>

Message-ID: <2AD05E84-52FE-11D9-A88A-000A95D7ED98@earthlink.net> Counterpoint: I used to think that too. Consumer electronic products are no longer made with reliability in mind. The big brands would much rather sell me a new one in 2-4 years anyway. With a big TV I'd prefer to have longer coverage, for example, the perk of the vendor coming out to pick it up free of charge if it fails. Ever try to lift a 34-inch tube TV by yourself? Don't. I expect to keep a TV for 7+ years. I don't trust the current crop of HD stuff to last that long. Plus, if I ever sell my HD set prematurely, the buyer feels better knowing that there is some coverage. Now, I'm not going to write off a vendor because it doesn't sell extended warranties, but it is a plus in my book if they do. My first buying experience was at an attractive price point, but it had no warranty beyond a year. I had to write to a magazine to get the manufacturer to accept a return after 7 months and 3 attempted repairs (they finally picked it up on their dime). I doubt they would have done that without my scathing commentary to the chief editor of the mag whose review I trusted. This was a lucky break and within the 1-year. What would have happened after 3 more months? Ext. warranties have their value. BTW, the local company (no names) wouldn't take the flawed set back. Matthew On Dec 20, 2004, at 8:33 PM, Jon Engelhardt wrote: > Victoria, > > Don't scratch Travis off the list because of a phone response, these > are long days for sales folks. You really don't need the extended > warranty with a Sony, if there's a problem you will see it fairly > quickly. Like most extended warranties, they are a waste of money. > > Jon > On Dec 20, 2004, at 5:58 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote: > >> I want to thank all for ideas and information....have spent the past >> several days here, online and in stores, checking into things...right >> now the two best for what we are looking into are rear projection >> units (LCD or DLP) and about 50" of size, no bigger.....and Sony >> brand seems highly regarded as does Mitsubishi -- haven't narrowed it >> further other than when I looked at Traviss (and liked their Sony) >> and then called back later with a Q ref extended warranty the man who >> answered basically said they didn't sell them and was rather haughty >> about it ...so scratch them off the list. My lst desire would be to >> stay in DSM (Stogdills) but they apparently just sold their last Sony >> 50" and waht they'll be getting in and selling is the Mitsubishi 52" >> - which is gorgeous, but much more $ and size... we could go with >> smaller (42") abut that is a bit too small...oh well, it's late >> enough we don't have to rush the purchase so maybe this will all >> happen next year! >> >> Thanks again... >> -- >> Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa - Owner, >> http://www.JourneyZing.com - and Attorney at Law, >> http://www.herringlaw.com. iChat AV: victoriaherring [@mac.com]. >> _______________________________________________ >> Dmmug mailing list >> Dmmug@dmmug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Tue Dec 21 18:59:29 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 12:59:29 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] 15" Apple Studio Display & Powerbook G3 available, for sale... Message-ID: Cleaning out, more and more =3D=3D I have an Apple=20 15" Studio Display (LCD/ADC) display. No=20 problems with it =3D I got a new and larger=20 monitor. Everymac lists its est. current price=20 as $400-550, and I'd rather avoid hassles of eBay=20 and mailing, if anyone here in town would like to=20 buy it (email me directly please). Same with Powerbook G3/300mhz, 7+ gig harddrive,=20 20x CD-Rom module, Zipdisk module, extra battery,=20 etc...I used HiveLogic's software and was able to=20 install and run OSX on the Powerbook, but whoever=20 buys it can take it back to whatever you want to.=20 My recall is it has 192 RAM memory. Same thing,=20 I'd like to sell it but avoid hassles of eBay and=20 mailing....I have all papers and CDs etc and=20 books that came with it...[can check details for=20 those interested] email me at above address....thanks -- Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa - Owner,=20 http://www.JourneyZing.com - and Attorney at Law,=20 http://www.herringlaw.com. iChat AV:=20 victoriaherring [@mac.com]. From dmmug@dmmug.org Tue Dec 21 23:55:27 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 17:55:27 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Extended warranties? Message-ID: If one wanted to find a reliable, reputable=20 extended warranty for HDTV purchase, any=20 suggestions? I know one can get one at BestBuy,=20 but what if one were to buy the set in one place=20 where would you find an extended warranty=20 source??? [I agree with Matt, the peace of mind of having=20 such is worth it these days, particularly with=20 the nature of modern machines, whether they be=20 cars or electronics - I know having one for some=20 purchases is really a good investment over the=20 long term] -- Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa - Owner,=20 http://www.JourneyZing.com - and Attorney at Law,=20 http://www.herringlaw.com. iChat AV:=20 victoriaherring [@mac.com]. From dmmug@dmmug.org Sun Dec 26 16:30:27 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bryan Baker) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 10:30:27 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Alarm - DMMUG Regular Meeting Message-ID: <73D723D6-575B-11D9-8B42-000393C3E628@mac.com> --Apple-Mail-1--930107045 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Since it's after Christmas I think we'll go ahead and have it this year. I think we'll just relax a bit and talk about what we all got under the tree. We can also discuss an offer of an alternate location for next month. Begin forwarded message: > From: Bryan Baker > Date: December 25, 2004 7:00:12 PM CST > To: ka_klick@mac.com > Subject: Alarm - DMMUG Regular Meeting > > Tuesday, December 28, 2004 : DMMUG Regular Meeting -- Bryan Baker Technology Advocate Iowa Legal Aid Suite 230 1111 9th Street Des Moines, Ia 50314-2527 (515) 243-2980 x1635 http://iowalegalaid.org bbaker@iowalaw.org --Apple-Mail-1--930107045 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIGFDCCAs0w ggI2oAMCAQICAwxW0zANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQQFADBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhh d3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVt YWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0EwHhcNMDQwNTE5MDQwNzE3WhcNMDUwNTE5MDQwNzE3WjBCMR8wHQYDVQQD ExZUaGF3dGUgRnJlZW1haWwgTWVtYmVyMR8wHQYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhBrYV9rbGlja0BtYWMuY29t MIIBIjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOCAQ8AMIIBCgKCAQEA4dlEhForYdyTEvpFP2AMjmwy22e35Tn7 CuEST9SW9ozEAJ4LRtV+X86AJ6VpXX+VLUUBDmLevUwedne5/QFTMXt8lABu4p10VrKMp3Cud6ZE j3HtpdcwujHwnHTnx914uO42ItJ1k3NBoKffmomei4uyq9ehwzZxyaCPX6yr5qVIFuU8wORPULkY Zi0tYG2SitZ+LKwFktakNJPmeSgcPw3C7LTUfKOOiUIIP9h8+6D1D7ecYqqLO2tHmfrnz5oIv23N l2AnfUvvZq6h9IKwSA6a68uw9xNBhMVYmW67QqFs0IxeaO4uOfdT80ArXE/DSfaYjevTn0JdksJn C/iV4wIDAQABoy0wKzAbBgNVHREEFDASgRBrYV9rbGlja0BtYWMuY29tMAwGA1UdEwEB/wQCMAAw DQYJKoZIhvcNAQEEBQADgYEAr6KcHMkzvzTuzGu/XdDGPoDvCR2IH7UsBM5afHO7qCtmMFg7mmOM oFidafRPmbp5psc3iDPbhYs6BpjaVy3He1CTVnaWNSDt6hpnoHVds5V9sVBUXs/EtsT33vqBMbUG 0zMwgoTeOJlFm1kTL/2th4eD8j/bGj3pnx8R6Qae4ckwggM/MIICqKADAgECAgENMA0GCSqGSIb3 DQEBBQUAMIHRMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTEVMBMGA1UECBMMV2VzdGVybiBDYXBlMRIwEAYDVQQHEwlD YXBlIFRvd24xGjAYBgNVBAoTEVRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nMSgwJgYDVQQLEx9DZXJ0aWZpY2F0 aW9uIFNlcnZpY2VzIERpdmlzaW9uMSQwIgYDVQQDExtUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwg Q0ExKzApBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWHHBlcnNvbmFsLWZyZWVtYWlsQHRoYXd0ZS5jb20wHhcNMDMwNzE3 MDAwMDAwWhcNMTMwNzE2MjM1OTU5WjBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhhd3RlIENv bnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIElz c3VpbmcgQ0EwgZ8wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQADgY0AMIGJAoGBAMSmPFVzVftOucqZWh5owHUEcJ3f 6f+jHuy9zfVb8hp2vX8MOmHyv1HOAdTlUAow1wJjWiyJFXCO3cnwK4Vaqj9xVsuvPAsH5/EfkTYk KhPPK9Xzgnc9A74r/rsYPge/QIACZNenprufZdHFKlSFD0gEf6e20TxhBEAeZBlyYLf7AgMBAAGj gZQwgZEwEgYDVR0TAQH/BAgwBgEB/wIBADBDBgNVHR8EPDA6MDigNqA0hjJodHRwOi8vY3JsLnRo YXd0ZS5jb20vVGhhd3RlUGVyc29uYWxGcmVlbWFpbENBLmNybDALBgNVHQ8EBAMCAQYwKQYDVR0R BCIwIKQeMBwxGjAYBgNVBAMTEVByaXZhdGVMYWJlbDItMTM4MA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAA4GBAEiM 0VCD6gsuzA2jZqxnD3+vrL7CF6FDlpSdf0whuPg2H6otnzYvwPQcUCCTcDz9reFhYsPZOhl+hLGZ GwDFGguCdJ4lUJRix9sncVcljd2pnDmOjCBPZV+V2vf3h9bGCE6u9uo05RAaWzVNd+NWIXiC3CEZ Nd4ksdMdRv9dX2VPMYIC5zCCAuMCAQEwaTBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhhd3Rl IENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWls IElzc3VpbmcgQ0ECAwxW0zAJBgUrDgMCGgUAoIIBUzAYBgkqhkiG9w0BCQMxCwYJKoZIhvcNAQcB MBwGCSqGSIb3DQEJBTEPFw0wNDEyMjYxNjMwMjhaMCMGCSqGSIb3DQEJBDEWBBQJ8yaquJtUBY6q Uud/D8CLZn5hnzB4BgkrBgEEAYI3EAQxazBpMGIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMSUwIwYDVQQKExxUaGF3 dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZyAoUHR5KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYDVQQDEyNUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1h aWwgSXNzdWluZyBDQQIDDFbTMHoGCyqGSIb3DQEJEAILMWugaTBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMG A1UEChMcVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNv bmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0ECAwxW0zANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAASCAQCTtLgG99zF5j+M sTbvU/8rsEtwyNgkk08IMDZop+Fe19WagQjtLswYmcmgs5Dn92htpAlkxIB+jmUGd4ANejYQkrOy uxFnb07tIjhBN43S9llkaPzq7CR8faE5HfAYXgB7r0rdgPp/qICoTCyGvpr3r7apk9deFAoh2BU4 kbrMSHW7hVQ4VO8uGGl2r0EQRswFTUa+NwaAZ9dhDFor/ZduSrCZThkJZcBnTxDUzp8WRFKLm+Yx 6c0JBNPAWJAETvbHDTnqFes3AI9P0EkVAsfqj9So15YTiA3p9BWSvx15ZWNaRIS/H6FuX7saO+j9 7pn8ij/vGIJ9ePyY152ofvwzAAAAAAAA --Apple-Mail-1--930107045-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Tue Dec 28 03:50:45 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Deborah Anders) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 20:50:45 -0700 Subject: [DM-MUG] Donating 2 Macs and cleaning the hard drives Message-ID: <41D0D816.D91B235A@fbx.com> Several years ago I read that you accepted donations and also got together to clean hard drives. We have 3 macs and would like to donate the 2 older ones (Performa 6360 and an Apple IIE, plus a StyleWriter printer to anyone interested. however, we want to know that the hard drives are cleaned prior to the donation. Nothing terribly bad as far as we know, just personal stuff is on both computers. Can you assist us in this project? Thank you very much Deborah Anders-Bond Iowa Falls Iowa also Ames bdeanders@fbx.com From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Dec 29 17:10:00 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bryan Baker) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 11:10:00 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Next Month's Meeting (Jan '05) Message-ID: <794676B0-59BC-11D9-BC4E-000A958E4EB0@mac.com> --Apple-Mail-5--668534420 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed We voted last night to accept the invitation by Haddock Computers to have our meeting there. We also sent out a call for meeting topics people want to see in the upcoming year, and more importantly people willing to present them. So far: Free/Open Source options on the Mac - Bryan Baker (me) Networking basics - Dave Weis (InternetSolver) Please see what you can come up with and share it w/ the list. -- Bryan Baker President Des Moines Macintosh Users Group http://www.dmmug.org president@dmmug.org --Apple-Mail-5--668534420 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIGFDCCAs0w ggI2oAMCAQICAwxWgjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQQFADBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhh d3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVt YWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0EwHhcNMDQwNTE4MjIxNTAxWhcNMDUwNTE4MjIxNTAxWjBCMR8wHQYDVQQD ExZUaGF3dGUgRnJlZW1haWwgTWVtYmVyMR8wHQYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhBrYV9rbGlja0BtYWMuY29t MIIBIjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOCAQ8AMIIBCgKCAQEAuyTYo4QvaEigXA56XKB1W4FeJiLmE+Ff gTHKohqxmbT2Xw/9csCJNZ8uXO/xWZhyhKnurH0Mhlh9ZmA6KfUT/h3dazjFDS4NoOwWWCltLP7q Wl+S8Gm3p7TEgw87Jc2Squ+UZL8y03yV/xoSU/HzJGPAlU/anWavlnJCzZlkY/ahicGqDvJJVXBf qHiiEGeGkubs5sAB5MCLMhE6iKD7L7cdKL71RF89UsnTAqD11ZpvmtRcwPGdP31C2GmH7e74dUdX s4G1TM5mTczzb57Po7cTTAgE1AAdFh5XVUeB0QctIv5QfgWueaayD3WSI6tmb8r8KsRlI37Tho4f 4Mg4FQIDAQABoy0wKzAbBgNVHREEFDASgRBrYV9rbGlja0BtYWMuY29tMAwGA1UdEwEB/wQCMAAw DQYJKoZIhvcNAQEEBQADgYEAlS7gkNLRhyPGw1XnwdIpNqfHx2nctR5DZZyHAMdsE2lsmtBaZkuY ogZnMHoV9YJCdWx6m95LUziIqTUbBcoEnGwDTxhfEBh6iAJQ7pJgHKzYkynSznacm0eAy2EeTO0X nadcKenL0nhcN5nj5vi2MfYpXzL1VxfF4ZNmzOsoocwwggM/MIICqKADAgECAgENMA0GCSqGSIb3 DQEBBQUAMIHRMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTEVMBMGA1UECBMMV2VzdGVybiBDYXBlMRIwEAYDVQQHEwlD YXBlIFRvd24xGjAYBgNVBAoTEVRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nMSgwJgYDVQQLEx9DZXJ0aWZpY2F0 aW9uIFNlcnZpY2VzIERpdmlzaW9uMSQwIgYDVQQDExtUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwg Q0ExKzApBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWHHBlcnNvbmFsLWZyZWVtYWlsQHRoYXd0ZS5jb20wHhcNMDMwNzE3 MDAwMDAwWhcNMTMwNzE2MjM1OTU5WjBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhhd3RlIENv bnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIElz c3VpbmcgQ0EwgZ8wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQADgY0AMIGJAoGBAMSmPFVzVftOucqZWh5owHUEcJ3f 6f+jHuy9zfVb8hp2vX8MOmHyv1HOAdTlUAow1wJjWiyJFXCO3cnwK4Vaqj9xVsuvPAsH5/EfkTYk KhPPK9Xzgnc9A74r/rsYPge/QIACZNenprufZdHFKlSFD0gEf6e20TxhBEAeZBlyYLf7AgMBAAGj gZQwgZEwEgYDVR0TAQH/BAgwBgEB/wIBADBDBgNVHR8EPDA6MDigNqA0hjJodHRwOi8vY3JsLnRo YXd0ZS5jb20vVGhhd3RlUGVyc29uYWxGcmVlbWFpbENBLmNybDALBgNVHQ8EBAMCAQYwKQYDVR0R BCIwIKQeMBwxGjAYBgNVBAMTEVByaXZhdGVMYWJlbDItMTM4MA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAA4GBAEiM 0VCD6gsuzA2jZqxnD3+vrL7CF6FDlpSdf0whuPg2H6otnzYvwPQcUCCTcDz9reFhYsPZOhl+hLGZ GwDFGguCdJ4lUJRix9sncVcljd2pnDmOjCBPZV+V2vf3h9bGCE6u9uo05RAaWzVNd+NWIXiC3CEZ Nd4ksdMdRv9dX2VPMYIC5zCCAuMCAQEwaTBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhhd3Rl IENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWls IElzc3VpbmcgQ0ECAwxWgjAJBgUrDgMCGgUAoIIBUzAYBgkqhkiG9w0BCQMxCwYJKoZIhvcNAQcB MBwGCSqGSIb3DQEJBTEPFw0wNDEyMjkxNzEwMDFaMCMGCSqGSIb3DQEJBDEWBBScqjZwi2a/oi0Z 8P3NVnSt03/exzB4BgkrBgEEAYI3EAQxazBpMGIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMSUwIwYDVQQKExxUaGF3 dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZyAoUHR5KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYDVQQDEyNUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1h aWwgSXNzdWluZyBDQQIDDFaCMHoGCyqGSIb3DQEJEAILMWugaTBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMG A1UEChMcVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNv bmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0ECAwxWgjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAASCAQBC5qVOLFzw+Xhz UTcRazZcngmNiQ04FVmbcMzLkHWQQgzYcw490Cgcapy2iUoyZF54shNGk9Ds9VCzx6VWy9/+B0Xi 1wzAF5MZHDbIWo+R9EEfJIsmI9WX8i6h0QuDxGEKEy3gXWBXNadG4d11UJHjJWi3yvUwW+iQ9tiV Z0inrsGxA8qEjx6aal14uTf81Mwb25M2HHboHvWzFzKe2SN7e4zh67tnFDNhopmyO37dDQdbJ7iV awj3eyv8CGD7fKhSBqcnTBYstm+EItxzabkZIDf5Kwg+VnlMLVrx9PFqf1LDdbEBAJbW3mtu5zNN 5V7zLqkozj0pNCNPu1hVX58jAAAAAAAA --Apple-Mail-5--668534420-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Dec 29 21:42:57 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Alan Hansen) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 15:42:57 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Next Month's Meeting (Jan '05) In-Reply-To: <794676B0-59BC-11D9-BC4E-000A958E4EB0@mac.com> Message-ID: Brian, Thanks for accepting the invitation! We are very excited to host next months meeting! Thanks, Alan On 12/29/04 11:10 AM, "Bryan Baker" wrote: > We voted last night to accept the invitation by Haddock Computers to > have our meeting there. > We also sent out a call for meeting topics people want to see in the > upcoming year, and more importantly people willing to present them. >=20 > So far: >=20 > Free/Open Source options on the Mac - Bryan Baker (me) > Networking basics - Dave Weis (InternetSolver) >=20 > Please see what you can come up with and share it w/ the list. >=20 > -- > Bryan Baker > President > Des Moines Macintosh Users Group > http://www.dmmug.org > president@dmmug.org >=20 =95=95=95=95 Please send mail to alan@gohaddock.com Alan Hansen Haddock Computer 801 73rd Street, Suite I, Windsor Heights, IA 50312 www.gohaddock.com (515) 225-9040 fax (515) 225-1264 iChat/AIM: AlanH@mac.com Fax education orders toll free to 888-873-2775 or (888-USE-APPL) Apple Sales Specialist, Apple Authorized Education Agent #SA69327 Apple Service Provider Plus, Canon Video Dealer Proud member of Apple's Service, Training and Reseller Advisory Boards From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Dec 29 21:54:04 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (dmmug@dmmug.org) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 16:54:04 EST Subject: [DM-MUG] Telephone numbers Message-ID: --part1_c0.1ecfe9b1.2f04817c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A quick question that I hope someone knows the answer. I am sure there is=20= a=20 website that you can post a telephone number to and it will tell you the nam= e=20 and address of the person it belongs to. I thought I had it in my address book, but can't find it. =C7an anyone hel= p? =20 Just post it to this list in case there are others who might be interested.= =20 Thanks. Stan Murdock, WDM, IA --part1_c0.1ecfe9b1.2f04817c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A quick question that I hope someone kn= ows the answer. I am sure there is a website that you can post a tele= phone number to and it will tell you the name and address of the person it b= elongs to.

I thought I had it in my address book, but can't find it. =C7an anyon= e help? Just post it to this list in case there are others who might=20= be interested. Thanks.

Stan Murdock, WDM, IA --part1_c0.1ecfe9b1.2f04817c_boundary-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Dec 29 21:58:03 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Thomas Lundvall) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 15:58:03 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Telephone numbers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3187180685_16614505 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Stan Murdock, I would start by using this website. http://www.reversephonedirectory.com/ Tom Lundvall Senior Technician Other World Computing On 12/29/04 3:54 PM, "SCMurdock@aol.com" wrote: > A quick question that I hope someone knows the answer. I am sure there = is a > website that you can post a telephone number to and it will tell you the = name > and address of the person it belongs to. >=20 > I thought I had it in my address book, but can't find it. =C7an anyone he= lp? > Just post it to this list in case there are others who might be intereste= d. > Thanks. >=20 > Stan Murdock, WDM, IA --B_3187180685_16614505 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [DM-MUG] Telephone numbers Stan = Murdock,
I would start by using this website.
http://www.reversephonedire= ctory.com/

Tom Lundvall
Senior Technician
Other World Computing

On 12/29/04 3:54 PM, "SCMurdock@aol.com" <SCMurdock@aol.com>= ; wrote:

A quick question that I hope someone knows the = answer. I am sure there is a website that you can post a telepho= ne number to and it will tell you the name and address of the person it belo= ngs to.

I thought I had it in my address book, but can't find it. &Cced= il;an anyone help? Just post it to this list in case there are o= thers who might be interested. Thanks.

Stan Murdock, WDM, IA

--B_3187180685_16614505-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Dec 29 22:29:13 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Holly Welch) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 16:29:13 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Telephone numbers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <116A322F-59E9-11D9-8CED-000D9333BB5E@mac.com> --Apple-Mail-2--649381316 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I think you can just type the phone number in google! On Dec 29, 2004, at 3:54 PM, SCMurdock@aol.com wrote: > A quick question that I hope someone knows the answer.=A0 I am sure=20 > there is a website that you can post a telephone number to and it will=20= > tell you the name and address of the person it belongs to. > > I thought I had it in my address book, but can't find it.=A0 =C7an = anyone=20 > help?=A0 Just post it to this list in case there are others who might = be=20 > interested.=A0=A0 Thanks. > > Stan Murdock, WDM, IA= --Apple-Mail-2--649381316 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 I think you can just type the phone number in google! On Dec 29, 2004, at 3:54 PM, SCMurdock@aol.com wrote: Geneva

A quick question that I hope someone knows the answer.=A0 I am sure there is a website that you can post a telephone number to and it will tell you the name and address of the person it belongs = to.

Geneva

I thought I had it in my address book, but can't find it.=A0 =C7an anyone help?=A0 = Just post it to this list in case there are others who might be interested.=A0=A0 = Thanks.

Geneva

Stan Murdock, WDM, IA

= --Apple-Mail-2--649381316-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Dec 29 22:49:44 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Darcy Baston) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 16:49:44 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Telephone numbers In-Reply-To: <116A322F-59E9-11D9-8CED-000D9333BB5E@mac.com> References: <116A322F-59E9-11D9-8CED-000D9333BB5E@mac.com> Message-ID: Wow, that's great! I've got a new number with my new apartment, and kept getting calls for a "Tom". With a search in Google, I was able to see the previous owner of the telephone number. Tom it was. :) warm wishes, Darcy On Dec 29, 2004, at 4:29 PM, Holly Welch wrote: > I think you can just type the phone number in google! From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Dec 29 23:26:37 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Dan Lake) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:26:37 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] iBook For Sale Message-ID: <160B606C-59F1-11D9-A525-000393D999FC@netins.net> I'm new to the mailing list so I'm not sure if this is the forum for this or not. If not, I apologize if I have offended anyone. I have just upgraded to a new iBook G4 and want to sell my older iBook. The specs are as follows: G3 900 Mhz 640 Ram 30 GB Hard Drive Combo Drive (Tray, not Slot) AirPort Card 12.1 Screen All of the included inputs, etc Power Cable OS 10.3 Panther All of the manuals and cd's I believe there is still some time left on the Applecare warranty The unit is in good condition and is still quite useful for a student or others. It will be available in approx 7-10 days (Once I receive my new one). I will clean the disk and reinstall OS. I have done some checking on ebay to see what a similar unit is selling for so I have an idea of what it's worth. That said, I will listen to all offers. So, if you or anyone you know might be interested, or if you have want additional information about the unit, please contact me. Thanks, Dan Lake flipturn@netins.net 515-577-4746 From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Dec 29 23:30:50 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (CW Smith) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:30:50 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] iBook For Sale In-Reply-To: <160B606C-59F1-11D9-A525-000393D999FC@netins.net> Message-ID: On 12/29/04 5:26 PM, "Dan Lake" wrote: > I'm new to the mailing list so I'm not sure if this is the forum for > this or not. If not, I apologize if I have offended anyone. > > I have just upgraded to a new iBook G4 and want to sell my older iBook. > The specs are as follows: > > G3 900 Mhz > 640 Ram > 30 GB Hard Drive > Combo Drive (Tray, not Slot) > AirPort Card > 12.1 Screen > All of the included inputs, etc > Power Cable > OS 10.3 Panther > All of the manuals and cd's > I believe there is still some time left on the Applecare warranty > You might also see what the currently reported "street price" would be at EveryMac.com (you'll need to register for a free membership to get full details, but for us Macheads it's worth the 5 minutes you'll spend). I wouldn't exactly consider their information to be gospel, but it's at least a figure you could calculate into the average. Peace, CW > The unit is in good condition and is still quite useful for a student > or others. It will be available in approx 7-10 days (Once I receive my > new one). I will clean the disk and reinstall OS. I have done some > checking on ebay to see what a similar unit is selling for so I have an > idea of what it's worth. That said, I will listen to all offers. So, > if you or anyone you know might be interested, or if you have want > additional information about the unit, please contact me. > > Thanks, > > Dan Lake > flipturn@netins.net > 515-577-4746 > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug -- Curt (CW) Smith Musician Audio/Video technician Windows/Macintosh consultant 705 Maple Street Atlantic, Iowa 50022 USA Phone: (712) 243-1200 Mobile: (515) 554-5080 cwsmith@mchsi.com From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Dec 30 01:48:22 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Dan Lake) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 19:48:22 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] iBook For Sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks. I did register with Everymac. Not a real easy site to navigate, but it does have some interesting information. Dan On Dec 29, 2004, at 5:30 PM, CW Smith wrote: > On 12/29/04 5:26 PM, "Dan Lake" wrote: > >> I'm new to the mailing list so I'm not sure if this is the forum for >> this or not. If not, I apologize if I have offended anyone. >> >> I have just upgraded to a new iBook G4 and want to sell my older >> iBook. >> The specs are as follows: >> >> G3 900 Mhz >> 640 Ram >> 30 GB Hard Drive >> Combo Drive (Tray, not Slot) >> AirPort Card >> 12.1 Screen >> All of the included inputs, etc >> Power Cable >> OS 10.3 Panther >> All of the manuals and cd's >> I believe there is still some time left on the Applecare warranty >> > You might also see what the currently reported "street price" would be > at > EveryMac.com (you'll need to register for a free membership to get full > details, but for us Macheads it's worth the 5 minutes you'll spend). > > I wouldn't exactly consider their information to be gospel, but it's at > least a figure you could calculate into the average. > > Peace, > CW > >> The unit is in good condition and is still quite useful for a student >> or others. It will be available in approx 7-10 days (Once I receive >> my >> new one). I will clean the disk and reinstall OS. I have done some >> checking on ebay to see what a similar unit is selling for so I have >> an >> idea of what it's worth. That said, I will listen to all offers. So, >> if you or anyone you know might be interested, or if you have want >> additional information about the unit, please contact me. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Dan Lake >> flipturn@netins.net >> 515-577-4746 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dmmug mailing list >> Dmmug@dmmug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > > > -- > > Curt (CW) Smith > Musician > Audio/Video technician > Windows/Macintosh consultant > > 705 Maple Street > Atlantic, Iowa 50022 USA > > Phone: (712) 243-1200 > Mobile: (515) 554-5080 > > cwsmith@mchsi.com > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Dec 30 02:05:32 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (dmmug@dmmug.org) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 21:05:32 EST Subject: [DM-MUG] Telephone number Message-ID: <30.68dafbe3.2f04bc6c@aol.com> --part1_30.68dafbe3.2f04bc6c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the suggestions on finding a name from a phone number. Google worked great. And the 'reversephonedirectory.com' worked as well. Google was cleaner and faster. I don't know why I didn't think of it. I have used it often to find other things. Anyway, thanks to all of you. Stan --part1_30.68dafbe3.2f04bc6c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the suggestions on finding a= name from a phone number. Google worked great. And the 'rever= sephonedirectory.com' worked as well. Google was cleaner and faster.&= nbsp; I don't know why I didn't think of it. I have used it often to= find other things. Anyway, thanks to all of you. Stan<= FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2"> --part1_30.68dafbe3.2f04bc6c_boundary-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Dec 30 03:50:28 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Holly Welch) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 21:50:28 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] iBook For Sale In-Reply-To: <160B606C-59F1-11D9-A525-000393D999FC@netins.net> References: <160B606C-59F1-11D9-A525-000393D999FC@netins.net> Message-ID: If you are unable to find a buyer, and would like to donate it to a school that would be thrilled to give it a home, please let me know. By donating, at least you could take it off your taxes! I do hope you find it a good home! On Dec 29, 2004, at 5:26 PM, Dan Lake wrote: > I'm new to the mailing list so I'm not sure if this is the forum for > this or not. If not, I apologize if I have offended anyone. > > I have just upgraded to a new iBook G4 and want to sell my older > iBook. The specs are as follows: > > G3 900 Mhz > 640 Ram > 30 GB Hard Drive > Combo Drive (Tray, not Slot) > AirPort Card > 12.1 Screen > All of the included inputs, etc > Power Cable > OS 10.3 Panther > All of the manuals and cd's > I believe there is still some time left on the Applecare warranty > > The unit is in good condition and is still quite useful for a student > or others. It will be available in approx 7-10 days (Once I receive > my new one). I will clean the disk and reinstall OS. I have done > some checking on ebay to see what a similar unit is selling for so I > have an idea of what it's worth. That said, I will listen to all > offers. So, if you or anyone you know might be interested, or if you > have want additional information about the unit, please contact me. > > Thanks, > > Dan Lake > flipturn@netins.net > 515-577-4746 > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Dec 30 03:54:41 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Dan Lake) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 21:54:41 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] iBook For Sale In-Reply-To: References: <160B606C-59F1-11D9-A525-000393D999FC@netins.net> Message-ID: <88BD6804-5A16-11D9-AC08-000393D999FC@netins.net> Give me a few days to try and sell. If there are not any takers I will get ahold of you to talk about donating it. Thanks, Dan On Dec 29, 2004, at 9:50 PM, Holly Welch wrote: > If you are unable to find a buyer, and would like to donate it to a > school that would be thrilled to give it a home, please let me know. > By donating, at least you could take it off your taxes! I do hope you > find it a good home! > On Dec 29, 2004, at 5:26 PM, Dan Lake wrote: > >> I'm new to the mailing list so I'm not sure if this is the forum for >> this or not. If not, I apologize if I have offended anyone. >> >> I have just upgraded to a new iBook G4 and want to sell my older >> iBook. The specs are as follows: >> >> G3 900 Mhz >> 640 Ram >> 30 GB Hard Drive >> Combo Drive (Tray, not Slot) >> AirPort Card >> 12.1 Screen >> All of the included inputs, etc >> Power Cable >> OS 10.3 Panther >> All of the manuals and cd's >> I believe there is still some time left on the Applecare warranty >> >> The unit is in good condition and is still quite useful for a student >> or others. It will be available in approx 7-10 days (Once I receive >> my new one). I will clean the disk and reinstall OS. I have done >> some checking on ebay to see what a similar unit is selling for so I >> have an idea of what it's worth. That said, I will listen to all >> offers. So, if you or anyone you know might be interested, or if you >> have want additional information about the unit, please contact me. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Dan Lake >> flipturn@netins.net >> 515-577-4746 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dmmug mailing list >> Dmmug@dmmug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Dec 30 04:08:00 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Holly Welch) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 22:08:00 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] iBook For Sale In-Reply-To: <88BD6804-5A16-11D9-AC08-000393D999FC@netins.net> References: <160B606C-59F1-11D9-A525-000393D999FC@netins.net> <88BD6804-5A16-11D9-AC08-000393D999FC@netins.net> Message-ID: <65370FCE-5A18-11D9-8CED-000D9333BB5E@mac.com> Don, Great! My kids and I have been building our own lab from the ground up, all without financial support from our district. I appreciate you even considering us!! But good luck on selling it. Holly On Dec 29, 2004, at 9:54 PM, Dan Lake wrote: > Give me a few days to try and sell. If there are not any takers I > will get ahold of you to talk about donating it. > > Thanks, > Dan > On Dec 29, 2004, at 9:50 PM, Holly Welch wrote: > >> If you are unable to find a buyer, and would like to donate it to a >> school that would be thrilled to give it a home, please let me know. >> By donating, at least you could take it off your taxes! I do hope you >> find it a good home! >> On Dec 29, 2004, at 5:26 PM, Dan Lake wrote: >> >>> I'm new to the mailing list so I'm not sure if this is the forum for >>> this or not. If not, I apologize if I have offended anyone. >>> >>> I have just upgraded to a new iBook G4 and want to sell my older >>> iBook. The specs are as follows: >>> >>> G3 900 Mhz >>> 640 Ram >>> 30 GB Hard Drive >>> Combo Drive (Tray, not Slot) >>> AirPort Card >>> 12.1 Screen >>> All of the included inputs, etc >>> Power Cable >>> OS 10.3 Panther >>> All of the manuals and cd's >>> I believe there is still some time left on the Applecare warranty >>> >>> The unit is in good condition and is still quite useful for a >>> student or others. It will be available in approx 7-10 days (Once I >>> receive my new one). I will clean the disk and reinstall OS. I >>> have done some checking on ebay to see what a similar unit is >>> selling for so I have an idea of what it's worth. That said, I will >>> listen to all offers. So, if you or anyone you know might be >>> interested, or if you have want additional information about the >>> unit, please contact me. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Dan Lake >>> flipturn@netins.net >>> 515-577-4746 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Dmmug mailing list >>> Dmmug@dmmug.org >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dmmug mailing list >> Dmmug@dmmug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Dec 30 04:08:05 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (jim lagnese) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 22:08:05 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] iBook For Sale In-Reply-To: <88BD6804-5A16-11D9-AC08-000393D999FC@netins.net> Message-ID: Donating it? I'll get in line first. :) On 12/29/04 9:54 PM, "Dan Lake" wrote: > Give me a few days to try and sell. If there are not any takers I will > get ahold of you to talk about donating it. > > Thanks, > Dan > On Dec 29, 2004, at 9:50 PM, Holly Welch wrote: > >> If you are unable to find a buyer, and would like to donate it to a >> school that would be thrilled to give it a home, please let me know. >> By donating, at least you could take it off your taxes! I do hope you >> find it a good home! >> On Dec 29, 2004, at 5:26 PM, Dan Lake wrote: >> >>> I'm new to the mailing list so I'm not sure if this is the forum for >>> this or not. If not, I apologize if I have offended anyone. >>> >>> I have just upgraded to a new iBook G4 and want to sell my older >>> iBook. The specs are as follows: >>> >>> G3 900 Mhz >>> 640 Ram >>> 30 GB Hard Drive >>> Combo Drive (Tray, not Slot) >>> AirPort Card >>> 12.1 Screen >>> All of the included inputs, etc >>> Power Cable >>> OS 10.3 Panther >>> All of the manuals and cd's >>> I believe there is still some time left on the Applecare warranty >>> >>> The unit is in good condition and is still quite useful for a student >>> or others. It will be available in approx 7-10 days (Once I receive >>> my new one). I will clean the disk and reinstall OS. I have done >>> some checking on ebay to see what a similar unit is selling for so I >>> have an idea of what it's worth. That said, I will listen to all >>> offers. So, if you or anyone you know might be interested, or if you >>> have want additional information about the unit, please contact me. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Dan Lake >>> flipturn@netins.net >>> 515-577-4746 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Dmmug mailing list >>> Dmmug@dmmug.org >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dmmug mailing list >> Dmmug@dmmug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Dec 30 04:27:30 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Dan Lake) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 22:27:30 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] iBook For Sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1E98BD8F-5A1B-11D9-BDBB-000393D999FC@netins.net> Buyer? Anyone? Buyer? Give me a chance to sell first and if I don't I be sure to let all of you know I would discuss donating it. I work for a non-profit too, so I understand the need organizations have for free stuff! I ask for as much free stuff as I can everyday! But maybe, just maybe it's worth a few bucks to someone. Thanks! Dan On Dec 29, 2004, at 10:08 PM, jim lagnese wrote: > Donating it? I'll get in line first. :) > > > On 12/29/04 9:54 PM, "Dan Lake" wrote: > >> Give me a few days to try and sell. If there are not any takers I >> will >> get ahold of you to talk about donating it. >> >> Thanks, >> Dan >> On Dec 29, 2004, at 9:50 PM, Holly Welch wrote: >> >>> If you are unable to find a buyer, and would like to donate it to a >>> school that would be thrilled to give it a home, please let me know. >>> By donating, at least you could take it off your taxes! I do hope you >>> find it a good home! >>> On Dec 29, 2004, at 5:26 PM, Dan Lake wrote: >>> >>>> I'm new to the mailing list so I'm not sure if this is the forum for >>>> this or not. If not, I apologize if I have offended anyone. >>>> >>>> I have just upgraded to a new iBook G4 and want to sell my older >>>> iBook. The specs are as follows: >>>> >>>> G3 900 Mhz >>>> 640 Ram >>>> 30 GB Hard Drive >>>> Combo Drive (Tray, not Slot) >>>> AirPort Card >>>> 12.1 Screen >>>> All of the included inputs, etc >>>> Power Cable >>>> OS 10.3 Panther >>>> All of the manuals and cd's >>>> I believe there is still some time left on the Applecare warranty >>>> >>>> The unit is in good condition and is still quite useful for a >>>> student >>>> or others. It will be available in approx 7-10 days (Once I receive >>>> my new one). I will clean the disk and reinstall OS. I have done >>>> some checking on ebay to see what a similar unit is selling for so I >>>> have an idea of what it's worth. That said, I will listen to all >>>> offers. So, if you or anyone you know might be interested, or if >>>> you >>>> have want additional information about the unit, please contact me. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Dan Lake >>>> flipturn@netins.net >>>> 515-577-4746 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Dmmug mailing list >>>> Dmmug@dmmug.org >>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Dmmug mailing list >>> Dmmug@dmmug.org >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dmmug mailing list >> Dmmug@dmmug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Dec 30 04:33:43 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (jim lagnese) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 22:33:43 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] iBook For Sale In-Reply-To: <1E98BD8F-5A1B-11D9-BDBB-000393D999FC@netins.net> Message-ID: Yes, the me, myself and I.org. Serving misanthropic philanthropies for almost half a century. :) -- "We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the same sense and to the same extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart." HL Menken On 12/29/04 10:27 PM, "Dan Lake" wrote: > Buyer? Anyone? Buyer? Give me a chance to sell first and if I don't I > be sure to let all of you know I would discuss donating it. I work for > a non-profit too, so I understand the need organizations have for free > stuff! I ask for as much free stuff as I can everyday! But maybe, > just maybe it's worth a few bucks to someone. > > Thanks! > Dan > On Dec 29, 2004, at 10:08 PM, jim lagnese wrote: > >> Donating it? I'll get in line first. :) >> >> >> On 12/29/04 9:54 PM, "Dan Lake" wrote: >> >>> Give me a few days to try and sell. If there are not any takers I >>> will >>> get ahold of you to talk about donating it. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Dan >>> On Dec 29, 2004, at 9:50 PM, Holly Welch wrote: >>> >>>> If you are unable to find a buyer, and would like to donate it to a >>>> school that would be thrilled to give it a home, please let me know. >>>> By donating, at least you could take it off your taxes! I do hope you >>>> find it a good home! >>>> On Dec 29, 2004, at 5:26 PM, Dan Lake wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm new to the mailing list so I'm not sure if this is the forum for >>>>> this or not. If not, I apologize if I have offended anyone. >>>>> >>>>> I have just upgraded to a new iBook G4 and want to sell my older >>>>> iBook. The specs are as follows: >>>>> >>>>> G3 900 Mhz >>>>> 640 Ram >>>>> 30 GB Hard Drive >>>>> Combo Drive (Tray, not Slot) >>>>> AirPort Card >>>>> 12.1 Screen >>>>> All of the included inputs, etc >>>>> Power Cable >>>>> OS 10.3 Panther >>>>> All of the manuals and cd's >>>>> I believe there is still some time left on the Applecare warranty >>>>> >>>>> The unit is in good condition and is still quite useful for a >>>>> student >>>>> or others. It will be available in approx 7-10 days (Once I receive >>>>> my new one). I will clean the disk and reinstall OS. I have done >>>>> some checking on ebay to see what a similar unit is selling for so I >>>>> have an idea of what it's worth. That said, I will listen to all >>>>> offers. So, if you or anyone you know might be interested, or if >>>>> you >>>>> have want additional information about the unit, please contact me. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Dan Lake >>>>> flipturn@netins.net >>>>> 515-577-4746 >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Dmmug mailing list >>>>> Dmmug@dmmug.org >>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Dmmug mailing list >>>> Dmmug@dmmug.org >>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Dmmug mailing list >>> Dmmug@dmmug.org >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dmmug mailing list >> Dmmug@dmmug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Dec 30 23:08:38 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bailey Ford) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:08:38 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Just wanted to bounce something off the list... iCheap? Message-ID: The rumor mill is abuzz with talk of a sub $600 headless iMac. What do you guys think? Will it bring in hordes from the dark side? What could this mean for our beloved platform? - Bailey From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Dec 30 23:10:42 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Dave Weis) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:10:42 -0600 (CST) Subject: [DM-MUG] Just wanted to bounce something off the list... iCheap? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Dec 2004, Bailey Ford wrote: > The rumor mill is abuzz with talk of a sub $600 headless iMac. What do you > guys think? Will it bring in hordes from the dark side? What could this mean > for our beloved platform? The Mac people will know what the Linux users have felt like for the last few years :-) Bring on the unwashed masses... -- Dave Weis djweis@internetsolver.com http://www.internetsolver.com/ From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Dec 31 00:31:42 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (John Eller) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 18:31:42 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Mixed Feelings Message-ID: <57CB7D42-5AC3-11D9-B4DF-003065EA9760@mac.com> wild success of a headless imac could make the company ripe for acquisition. hope that doesn't happen. mitigating any chance of a big boom in sales to migrators is the fact that most folks just don't want to be bothered by the effort to learn anything new. concerns about compatibility will remain (i've learned with Word that having any graphics in a document decreases the chances for smooth transfer across platforms). i WOULD look for sales to increase among the faithful - families might find it affordable to provide the kids with their own systems, for example. From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Dec 31 00:46:43 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (John Kisner) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 18:46:43 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Mixed Feelings In-Reply-To: <57CB7D42-5AC3-11D9-B4DF-003065EA9760@mac.com> References: <57CB7D42-5AC3-11D9-B4DF-003065EA9760@mac.com> Message-ID: <70BADA20-5AC5-11D9-9B96-000393AC72DE@dwx.com> I think part of the rumor involves IBM taking over Apple. Selling their PC division left them free of anti-trust worries should they want to acquire Apple. Headless Macs make sense in oh so many ways, since monitors don't need upgrading as fast as CPUs. I think a killer new version of AppleWorks would also do wonders, but frankly as long as Office has a stranglehold on business (and increasingly school software) it will be hard to penetrate (even in wild dreams) beyond the 10% margin. On Dec 30, 2004, at 6:31 PM, John Eller wrote: > wild success of a headless imac could make the company ripe for > acquisition. > hope that doesn't happen. > > mitigating any chance of a big boom in sales to migrators is the fact > that most folks just don't want to be bothered by the effort to learn > anything new. concerns about compatibility will remain (i've learned > with Word that having any graphics in a document decreases the chances > for smooth transfer across platforms). i WOULD look for sales to > increase among the faithful - families might find it affordable to > provide the kids with their own systems, for example. > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Dec 31 05:28:17 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Matt W) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 23:28:17 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Just wanted to bounce something off the list... iCheap? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'll buy a few, but I'm already a member. PC users will still cry,=20 "It's got too few viruses and spyware so it can't be a real computer,"=20= or, "I can still build a vastly inferior PC and pirate Windows for 36=A2=20= less." Matthew On Dec 30, 2004, at 5:10 PM, Dave Weis wrote: > > On Thu, 30 Dec 2004, Bailey Ford wrote: >> The rumor mill is abuzz with talk of a sub $600 headless iMac. What=20= >> do you guys think? Will it bring in hordes from the dark side? What=20= >> could this mean for our beloved platform? > > The Mac people will know what the Linux users have felt like for the=20= > last few years :-) Bring on the unwashed masses... > > --=20 > Dave Weis > djweis@internetsolver.com > http://www.internetsolver.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Dec 31 05:31:18 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Matt W) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 23:31:18 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Mixed Feelings In-Reply-To: <70BADA20-5AC5-11D9-9B96-000393AC72DE@dwx.com> References: <57CB7D42-5AC3-11D9-B4DF-003065EA9760@mac.com> <70BADA20-5AC5-11D9-9B96-000393AC72DE@dwx.com> Message-ID: <324BC01F-5AED-11D9-83E7-000A95D7ED98@earthlink.net> IBM has agreed as part of the sale that they will NOT enter the PC box world again for a period of time. Not entirely sure about whether or not that included a Windows-only stipulation... Matthew On Dec 30, 2004, at 6:46 PM, John Kisner wrote: > I think part of the rumor involves IBM taking over Apple. Selling > their PC division left them free of anti-trust worries should they > want to acquire Apple. From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Dec 31 10:30:17 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Chris Van Cleve) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 04:30:17 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Mixed Feelings In-Reply-To: <324BC01F-5AED-11D9-83E7-000A95D7ED98@earthlink.net> References: <57CB7D42-5AC3-11D9-B4DF-003065EA9760@mac.com> <70BADA20-5AC5-11D9-9B96-000393AC72DE@dwx.com> <324BC01F-5AED-11D9-83E7-000A95D7ED98@earthlink.net> Message-ID: --Apple-Mail-1--519718006 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed IBM cannot produce, market, or sell any item which falls into the desktop computer range, this includes the typical PC and workstation class machines, for a period of 5 years. They are server only during that time. Operating system is irrelevant according to the agreement. It's a non-issue. While I agree with John Eller that learning something new is often an impediment in gains, it's important to bear in mind who this sub-600 machine is aimed at: Windows users who own iPods and have played with iMacs in the Apple Store and have stated they would switch if it were cheaper. These are people willing learn the new because they've already found how easy it is. These are the people who would buy a Mac as a second PC. Why is this group so important? We've all been there in one way or another with some competitive product. In this case, the person who bought the cheap iMac for that integrated experience of native iTunes and native iPod starts using the iMac a little more each day because it just feels smooth. Eventually they realize they're hardly using their PC anymore and they start looking for ways to eliminate the need for a PC altogether. These are the important people because by the time they've realized this and purchased a real Mac, they've also ben extolling the virtues of Mac OS X and the Apple experience to their PC friends, who have also been playing around on the cheap and are opening up to it. There are also a couple of ripple effects in this process. The sub-600 price tag isn't aimed at the cheapest PCs on the market. Most market analysts will tell you to sub-800 range is adequate. The reasoning behind aiming at sub-600 is it puts the iMac in the same price range as iPods. We already know that PC users are willing to pay that for an iPod, why wouldn't they for a more elegant, user friendly PC? Most iPod owners, oddly enough, are teenagers in High School and College. This is the same group of people who sit together in groups doing things like gaming. So you're over at your friends house watching him play a new game, and right next to him begging you to touch it is an iMac. You're going to try it out. Watching someone else play a game can consume your attention for only so long. This is a quick diversion. There is a lot more to consider, as I'm sure you can see. The real question is, however, will Apple really begin producing a sub-600 iMac? Chris Van Cleve On Dec 30, 2004, at 11:31 PM, Matt W wrote: > IBM has agreed as part of the sale that they will NOT enter the PC box > world again for a period of time. Not entirely sure about whether or > not that included a Windows-only stipulation... > > Matthew > > On Dec 30, 2004, at 6:46 PM, John Kisner wrote: > >> I think part of the rumor involves IBM taking over Apple. Selling >> their PC division left them free of anti-trust worries should they >> want to acquire Apple. > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > --Apple-Mail-1--519718006 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (Darwin) iD8DBQFB1So5lmG7cO3MV74RAjMZAJ9AB5Q5rQtkEgn4wPoJBVd2LtQ2hgCffrrj RxxgPGpxJ3RrxDOepiK/Bj4= =mATw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-1--519718006-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Dec 31 13:41:16 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (jim lagnese) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 07:41:16 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Mixed Feelings In-Reply-To: <324BC01F-5AED-11D9-83E7-000A95D7ED98@earthlink.net> Message-ID: The cultures are so different between Apple and IBM that I can't see it happening. I think Steve likes being in charge too. It's his baby. -- "Better to be a pirate than to join the navy." Steve Jobs On 12/30/04 11:31 PM, "Matt W" wrote: > IBM has agreed as part of the sale that they will NOT enter the PC box > world again for a period of time. Not entirely sure about whether or > not that included a Windows-only stipulation... > > Matthew > > On Dec 30, 2004, at 6:46 PM, John Kisner wrote: > >> I think part of the rumor involves IBM taking over Apple. Selling >> their PC division left them free of anti-trust worries should they >> want to acquire Apple. > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Dec 31 15:41:11 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Dave Reed) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 09:41:11 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Just wanted to bounce something off the list... iCheap? In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: <65B5282C-5B42-11D9-A400-003065BEF2D4@spymac.com> With the proviso that I'm REALLY bad at out-guessing Apple... I don't think a headless iMac is a good idea. The whole idea of the=20 iMac is "all-in-one". You take it out of the box, plug it in, turn it=20= on and it works. If you have to add "buy the RIGHT monitor and cable"=20= to the equation it stops being a box for a newbie. I don't see it. I just don't see it. On Dec 30, 2004, at 11:28 PM, Matt W wrote: > I'll buy a few, but I'm already a member. PC users will still cry,=20 > "It's got too few viruses and spyware so it can't be a real computer,"=20= > or, "I can still build a vastly inferior PC and pirate Windows for 36=A2= =20 > less." > > Matthew > > On Dec 30, 2004, at 5:10 PM, Dave Weis wrote: > >> >> On Thu, 30 Dec 2004, Bailey Ford wrote: >>> The rumor mill is abuzz with talk of a sub $600 headless iMac. What=20= >>> do you guys think? Will it bring in hordes from the dark side? What=20= >>> could this mean for our beloved platform? >> >> The Mac people will know what the Linux users have felt like for the=20= >> last few years :-) Bring on the unwashed masses... >> >> --=20 >> Dave Weis >> djweis@internetsolver.com >> http://www.internetsolver.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dmmug mailing list >> Dmmug@dmmug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > Dave Reed Freelance Computer Tech Mac or Windows, New or Old, I can help. http://www.rodbeard.com - davereed@rodbeard.com - 515-277-6890 From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Dec 31 17:43:15 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (dmmug@dmmug.org) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 12:43:15 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Just wanted to bounce something off the list... iCheap? In-Reply-To: <65B5282C-5B42-11D9-A400-003065BEF2D4@spymac.com> References:

<65B5282C-5B42-11D9-A400-003065BEF2D4@spymac.com> Message-ID: <1104514995.41d58fb3445eb@dreamscapevisionery.com> I'm not certain where that thought comes from. The box in question is reported to have both DVI and VGA. That makes it compatible iwth everything on the market out of the box. Chris Van Cleve Quoting Dave Reed : > With the proviso that I'm REALLY bad at out-guessing Apple... > > I don't think a headless iMac is a good idea. The whole idea of the > iMac is "all-in-one". You take it out of the box, plug it in, turn it > on and it works. If you have to add "buy the RIGHT monitor and cable" > to the equation it stops being a box for a newbie. > > I don't see it. I just don't see it. > > On Dec 30, 2004, at 11:28 PM, Matt W wrote: > > > I'll buy a few, but I'm already a member. PC users will still cry, > > "It's got too few viruses and spyware so it can't be a real computer," > > or, "I can still build a vastly inferior PC and pirate Windows for 36� > > less." > > > > Matthew > > > > On Dec 30, 2004, at 5:10 PM, Dave Weis wrote: > > > >> > >> On Thu, 30 Dec 2004, Bailey Ford wrote: > >>> The rumor mill is abuzz with talk of a sub $600 headless iMac. What > >>> do you guys think? Will it bring in hordes from the dark side? What > >>> could this mean for our beloved platform? > >> > >> The Mac people will know what the Linux users have felt like for the > >> last few years :-) Bring on the unwashed masses... > >> > >> -- > >> Dave Weis > >> djweis@internetsolver.com > >> http://www.internetsolver.com/ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Dmmug mailing list > >> Dmmug@dmmug.org > >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Dmmug mailing list > > Dmmug@dmmug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > > > > Dave Reed > Freelance Computer Tech > Mac or Windows, New or Old, I can help. > http://www.rodbeard.com - davereed@rodbeard.com - 515-277-6890 > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Dec 31 18:37:04 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Nicholas Rempe) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 12:37:04 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Smelly Keyboard Message-ID: <0206F186C78390449A2F9C2D3FCC63A508C621@messenger6.central.edu> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4EF67.B9456F08 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable People, I hope all of you had a fantastic holidayand are prepared for 2005 = later this evening. Being a college student, I am definately enjoying = the four weeks off that the wonderful people at Central College give us. = Anyway, here is the issue. I have a smelly keyboard on my iBook = G3/900Mhz/12 in. computer. It smells terrible, almost body odor like. = Has anyone had these problems also? I was searching for similar = problems online and there was a handful but they didn't really go = anywhere for a solution. The obvious one would be to get a new keyboard = but my battery died at the end of the semester and that was a $120 = replacement. I leave for New York City in two days and I can get used = to the smell, but if I am going to the incredible Mac Store they have in = SOHO, I was wondering if I could get one that they have on a dead = system or any of the spares they might have laying around. Just a = thought, let me know what you guys know about this issue. Thanks, Nick Rempe ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4EF67.B9456F08 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Smelly Keyboard

People,

I hope all of you had a fantastic holidayand are prepared for = 2005 later this evening. Being a college student, I am definately = enjoying the four weeks off that the wonderful people at Central College = give us. Anyway, here is the issue. I have a smelly keyboard = on my iBook G3/900Mhz/12 in. computer. It smells terrible, almost = body odor like. Has anyone had these problems also? I was = searching for similar problems online and there was a handful but they = didn't really go anywhere for a solution. The obvious one would be = to get a new keyboard but my battery died at the end of the semester and = that was a $120 replacement. I leave for New York City in two days = and I can get used to the smell, but if I am going to the incredible Mac = Store they have in SOHO, I was wondering if I could get one that = they have on a dead system or any of the spares they might have laying = around. Just a thought, let me know what you guys know about this = issue.

Thanks,
Nick Rempe

------_=_NextPart_001_01C4EF67.B9456F08-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Dec 31 18:44:16 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (jim lagnese) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 12:44:16 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Smelly Keyboard In-Reply-To: <0206F186C78390449A2F9C2D3FCC63A508C621@messenger6.central.edu> Message-ID: Yes, we call it the Stinky Keyboard or BO Keyboard. It's not unusual as I have smelled dozens already, although some are worse than others. If you want it replaced, I think it'll be around $50. If you want to see a neat Apple shop in NYC, try Tekserve. They repair laptops on your lunch hour, if possible. Jim "I used to live there" Lagnese --=20 =95=95=95=95 Please send mail to jim@gohaddock.com Jim Lagnese ACSA Haddock Computer 801 73rd Street, Suite I, Windsor Heights, IA 50312 www.gohaddock.com (515) 225-9040 efax (909) 752-8021 (515) 321-7301 Cell Apple Sales Specialist, Apple Authorized Education Agent #SA69327 Apple Service Provider Plus, Canon Video Dealer Proud member of Apple's Service, Training and Reseller Advisory Boards On 12/31/04 12:37 PM, "Nicholas Rempe" wrote: > People, >=20 > I hope all of you had a fantastic holidayand are prepared for 2005 late= r > this evening. Being a college student, I am definately enjoying the four > weeks off that the wonderful people at Central College give us. Anyway, = here > is the issue. I have a smelly keyboard on my iBook G3/900Mhz/12 in. comp= uter. > It smells terrible, almost body odor like. Has anyone had these problems > also? I was searching for similar problems online and there was a handfu= l but > they didn't really go anywhere for a solution. The obvious one would be = to > get a new keyboard but my battery died at the end of the semester and tha= t was > a $120 replacement. I leave for New York City in two days and I can get = used > to the smell, but if I am going to the incredible Mac Store they have in = SOHO, > I was wondering if I could get one that they have on a dead system or any= of > the spares they might have laying around. Just a thought, let me know wh= at > you guys know about this issue. >=20 > Thanks, > Nick Rempe From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Dec 31 19:12:31 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bailey Ford) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 13:12:31 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Smelly Keyboard In-Reply-To: <0206F186C78390449A2F9C2D3FCC63A508C621@messenger6.central.edu> References: <0206F186C78390449A2F9C2D3FCC63A508C621@messenger6.central.edu> Message-ID: Have you tried removing the keys to see what might be stuck down there?=20= If you are careful, you can pry off the plastic key tops and they just=20= click back on. Take a look under there - you might just need a Q-Tip=20 and 20 min of careful effort to be stank free. Try to go on and off=20 with one key first to make sure you are comfortable doing it - some of=20= the laptop keys have to be lined up properly before they will click=20 back on easily - not a big deal, but worth looking at before you pry 10=20= or 20 keys off. good luck. -bailey On Dec 31, 2004, at 12:37 PM, Nicholas Rempe wrote: > People, > > =A0 I hope all of you had a fantastic holidayand are prepared for = 2005=20 > later this evening.=A0 Being a college student, I am definately = enjoying=20 > the four weeks off that the wonderful people at Central College give=20= > us.=A0 Anyway, here is the issue.=A0 I have a smelly keyboard on my = iBook=20 > G3/900Mhz/12 in. computer.=A0 It smells terrible, almost body odor=20 > like.=A0 Has anyone had these problems also?=A0 I was searching for=20 > similar problems online and there was a handful but they didn't really=20= > go anywhere for a solution.=A0 The obvious one would be to get a new=20= > keyboard but my battery died at the end of the semester and that was a=20= > $120 replacement.=A0 I leave for New York City in two days and I can = get=20 > used to the smell, but if I am going to the incredible Mac Store they=20= > have in SOHO,=A0 I was wondering if I could get one that they have on = a=20 > dead system or any of the spares they might have laying around.=A0 = Just=20 > a thought, let me know what you guys know about this issue. > > Thanks, > Nick Rempe From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Dec 31 19:23:00 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (jim lagnese) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 13:23:00 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Smelly Keyboard In-Reply-To: Message-ID: No bailey, some of the iBook keyboards, Particularly pre-G4, just stink. We have a theory it may have to do with the reaction with the oil in an individual's skin that makes it vary, but I doubt that it's anything lodged in there. We've seen too many of them smell the same stinky way, just varying in intensity. Jim On 12/31/04 1:12 PM, "Bailey Ford" wrote: > Have you tried removing the keys to see what might be stuck down there? > If you are careful, you can pry off the plastic key tops and they just > click back on. Take a look under there - you might just need a Q-Tip > and 20 min of careful effort to be stank free. Try to go on and off > with one key first to make sure you are comfortable doing it - some of > the laptop keys have to be lined up properly before they will click > back on easily - not a big deal, but worth looking at before you pry 10 > or 20 keys off. >=20 > good luck. >=20 > -bailey >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Dec 31, 2004, at 12:37 PM, Nicholas Rempe wrote: >=20 >> People, >>=20 >> =A0 I hope all of you had a fantastic holidayand are prepared for 2005 >> later this evening.=A0 Being a college student, I am definately enjoying >> the four weeks off that the wonderful people at Central College give >> us.=A0 Anyway, here is the issue.=A0 I have a smelly keyboard on my iBook >> G3/900Mhz/12 in. computer.=A0 It smells terrible, almost body odor >> like.=A0 Has anyone had these problems also?=A0 I was searching for >> similar problems online and there was a handful but they didn't really >> go anywhere for a solution.=A0 The obvious one would be to get a new >> keyboard but my battery died at the end of the semester and that was a >> $120 replacement.=A0 I leave for New York City in two days and I can get >> used to the smell, but if I am going to the incredible Mac Store they >> have in SOHO,=A0 I was wondering if I could get one that they have on a >> dead system or any of the spares they might have laying around.=A0 Just >> a thought, let me know what you guys know about this issue. >>=20 >> Thanks, >> Nick Rempe >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Dec 31 19:28:55 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Kevin Gogerty) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 13:28:55 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Smelly Keyboard In-Reply-To: <0206F186C78390449A2F9C2D3FCC63A508C621@messenger6.central.edu> References: <0206F186C78390449A2F9C2D3FCC63A508C621@messenger6.central.edu> Message-ID: <362DB362-5B62-11D9-8C8F-000D936D8A78@mac.com> --Apple-Mail-3--487399369 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed If you need one, and can't get one in NY email me. I have one from a=20 500mhz that died on me. Still rather new and does not smell. Kevin On Dec 31, 2004, at 12:37 PM, Nicholas Rempe wrote: > People, > > =A0 I hope all of you had a fantastic holidayand are prepared for = 2005=20 > later this evening.=A0 Being a college student, I am definately = enjoying=20 > the four weeks off that the wonderful people at Central College give=20= > us.=A0 Anyway, here is the issue.=A0 I have a smelly keyboard on my = iBook=20 > G3/900Mhz/12 in. computer.=A0 It smells terrible, almost body odor=20 > like.=A0 Has anyone had these problems also?=A0 I was searching for=20 > similar problems online and there was a handful but they didn't really=20= > go anywhere for a solution.=A0 The obvious one would be to get a new=20= > keyboard but my battery died at the end of the semester and that was a=20= > $120 replacement.=A0 I leave for New York City in two days and I can = get=20 > used to the smell, but if I am going to the incredible Mac Store they=20= > have in SOHO,=A0 I was wondering if I could get one that they have on = a=20 > dead system or any of the spares they might have laying around.=A0 = Just=20 > a thought, let me know what you guys know about this issue. > > Thanks, > Nick Rempe --Apple-Mail-3--487399369 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 If you need one, and can't get one in NY email me. I have one from a 500mhz that died on me. Still rather new and does not smell. Kevin On Dec 31, 2004, at 12:37 PM, Nicholas Rempe wrote: People, =A0 I hope all of you had a fantastic holidayand are prepared for 2005 later this evening.=A0 Being a college student, I am definately enjoying the four weeks off that the wonderful people at Central College give us.=A0 Anyway, here is the issue.=A0 I have a smelly = keyboard on my iBook G3/900Mhz/12 in. computer.=A0 It smells terrible, almost body odor like.=A0 Has anyone had these problems also?=A0 I was = searching for similar problems online and there was a handful but they didn't really go anywhere for a solution.=A0 The obvious one would be to get a new keyboard but my battery died at the end of the semester and that was a $120 replacement.=A0 I leave for New York City in two days and I can get used to the smell, but if I am going to the incredible Mac Store they have in SOHO,=A0 I was wondering if I could get one that they have on a dead system or any of the spares they might have laying around.=A0 Just a thought, let me know what you guys know about this issue. Thanks, Nick Rempe=20 = --Apple-Mail-3--487399369-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Dec 31 19:37:24 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (jim lagnese) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 13:37:24 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Smelly Keyboard In-Reply-To: <362DB362-5B62-11D9-8C8F-000D936D8A78@mac.com> Message-ID: Not all iBook keyboards are the same. On 12/31/04 1:28 PM, "Kevin Gogerty" wrote: > If you need one, and can't get one in NY email me. I have one from a > 500mhz that died on me. Still rather new and does not smell. >=20 > Kevin >=20 >=20 > On Dec 31, 2004, at 12:37 PM, Nicholas Rempe wrote: >=20 >> People, >>=20 >> =A0 I hope all of you had a fantastic holidayand are prepared for 2005 >> later this evening.=A0 Being a college student, I am definately enjoying >> the four weeks off that the wonderful people at Central College give >> us.=A0 Anyway, here is the issue.=A0 I have a smelly keyboard on my iBook >> G3/900Mhz/12 in. computer.=A0 It smells terrible, almost body odor >> like.=A0 Has anyone had these problems also?=A0 I was searching for >> similar problems online and there was a handful but they didn't really >> go anywhere for a solution.=A0 The obvious one would be to get a new >> keyboard but my battery died at the end of the semester and that was a >> $120 replacement.=A0 I leave for New York City in two days and I can get >> used to the smell, but if I am going to the incredible Mac Store they >> have in SOHO,=A0 I was wondering if I could get one that they have on a >> dead system or any of the spares they might have laying around.=A0 Just >> a thought, let me know what you guys know about this issue. >>=20 >> Thanks, >> Nick Rempe From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Dec 31 19:39:06 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bob Jackson) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 13:39:06 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Smelly Keyboard In-Reply-To: <0206F186C78390449A2F9C2D3FCC63A508C621@messenger6.central.edu> References: <0206F186C78390449A2F9C2D3FCC63A508C621@messenger6.central.edu> Message-ID: --Apple-Mail-90--486788560 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I have seen this on many iBooks. We call it iBO. The plastic on the=20 keyboard smells just like body odor. It seems to get worse with heat=20 too. I have a sample iBO keyboard here at the store if anyone would=20 like to come by and smell it for yourself. This seems to only affect=20 pre-G4 iBooks. Here are a few iBook I have seen with the stench: iBook=20= 600, 700, and 800 manufactured in 2002 and 2003. Bob Jackson Haddock Computer On Dec 31, 2004, at 12:37 PM, Nicholas Rempe wrote: > People, > > =A0 I hope all of you had a fantastic holidayand are prepared for = 2005=20 > later this evening.=A0 Being a college student, I am definately = enjoying=20 > the four weeks off that the wonderful people at Central College give=20= > us.=A0 Anyway, here is the issue.=A0 I have a smelly keyboard on my = iBook=20 > G3/900Mhz/12 in. computer.=A0 It smells terrible, almost body odor=20 > like.=A0 Has anyone had these problems also?=A0 I was searching for=20 > similar problems online and there was a handful but they didn't really=20= > go anywhere for a solution.=A0 The obvious one would be to get a new=20= > keyboard but my battery died at the end of the semester and that was a=20= > $120 replacement.=A0 I leave for New York City in two days and I can = get=20 > used to the smell, but if I am going to the incredible Mac Store they=20= > have in SOHO,=A0 I was wondering if I could get one that they have on = a=20 > dead system or any of the spares they might have laying around.=A0 = Just=20 > a thought, let me know what you guys know about this issue. > > Thanks, > Nick Rempe --Apple-Mail-90--486788560 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have seen this on many iBooks. We call it iBO. The plastic on the keyboard smells just like body odor. It seems to get worse with heat too. I have a sample iBO keyboard here at the store if anyone would like to come by and smell it for yourself. This seems to only affect pre-G4 iBooks. Here are a few iBook I have seen with the stench: iBook 600, 700, and 800 manufactured in 2002 and 2003. Bob Jackson Haddock Computer On Dec 31, 2004, at 12:37 PM, Nicholas Rempe wrote: People, =A0 I hope all of you had a fantastic holidayand are prepared for 2005 later this evening.=A0 Being a college student, I am definately enjoying the four weeks off that the wonderful people at Central College give us.=A0 Anyway, here is the issue.=A0 I have a smelly = keyboard on my iBook G3/900Mhz/12 in. computer.=A0 It smells terrible, almost body odor like.=A0 Has anyone had these problems also?=A0 I was = searching for similar problems online and there was a handful but they didn't really go anywhere for a solution.=A0 The obvious one would be to get a new keyboard but my battery died at the end of the semester and that was a $120 replacement.=A0 I leave for New York City in two days and I can get used to the smell, but if I am going to the incredible Mac Store they have in SOHO,=A0 I was wondering if I could get one that they have on a dead system or any of the spares they might have laying around.=A0 Just a thought, let me know what you guys know about this issue. Thanks, Nick Rempe=20 = --Apple-Mail-90--486788560-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Dec 31 20:20:01 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bailey Ford) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 14:20:01 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Smelly Keyboard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <59395156-5B69-11D9-A2BB-000D93AF8664@mac.com> eeeeew. oops. On Dec 31, 2004, at 1:23 PM, jim lagnese wrote: > No bailey, some of the iBook keyboards, Particularly pre-G4, just=20 > stink. We > have a theory it may have to do with the reaction with the oil in an > individual's skin that makes it vary, but I doubt that it's anything=20= > lodged > in there. We've seen too many of them smell the same stinky way, just > varying in intensity. > Jim > > > > On 12/31/04 1:12 PM, "Bailey Ford" wrote: > >> Have you tried removing the keys to see what might be stuck down=20 >> there? >> If you are careful, you can pry off the plastic key tops and they = just >> click back on. Take a look under there - you might just need a Q-Tip >> and 20 min of careful effort to be stank free. Try to go on and off >> with one key first to make sure you are comfortable doing it - some = of >> the laptop keys have to be lined up properly before they will click >> back on easily - not a big deal, but worth looking at before you pry=20= >> 10 >> or 20 keys off. >> >> good luck. >> >> -bailey >> >> >> >> On Dec 31, 2004, at 12:37 PM, Nicholas Rempe wrote: >> >>> People, >>> >>> =A0 I hope all of you had a fantastic holidayand are prepared for = 2005 >>> later this evening.=A0 Being a college student, I am definately=20 >>> enjoying >>> the four weeks off that the wonderful people at Central College give >>> us.=A0 Anyway, here is the issue.=A0 I have a smelly keyboard on my = iBook >>> G3/900Mhz/12 in. computer.=A0 It smells terrible, almost body odor >>> like.=A0 Has anyone had these problems also?=A0 I was searching for >>> similar problems online and there was a handful but they didn't=20 >>> really >>> go anywhere for a solution.=A0 The obvious one would be to get a new >>> keyboard but my battery died at the end of the semester and that was=20= >>> a >>> $120 replacement.=A0 I leave for New York City in two days and I can=20= >>> get >>> used to the smell, but if I am going to the incredible Mac Store = they >>> have in SOHO,=A0 I was wondering if I could get one that they have = on a >>> dead system or any of the spares they might have laying around.=A0 = Just >>> a thought, let me know what you guys know about this issue. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Nick Rempe >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dmmug mailing list >> Dmmug@dmmug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Dec 31 20:23:39 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (jim lagnese) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 14:23:39 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Smelly Keyboard In-Reply-To: <59395156-5B69-11D9-A2BB-000D93AF8664@mac.com> Message-ID: Complain to Steve. May be they will have a recall. On 12/31/04 2:20 PM, "Bailey Ford" wrote: > eeeeew. oops. >=20 >=20 > On Dec 31, 2004, at 1:23 PM, jim lagnese wrote: >=20 >> No bailey, some of the iBook keyboards, Particularly pre-G4, just >> stink. We >> have a theory it may have to do with the reaction with the oil in an >> individual's skin that makes it vary, but I doubt that it's anything >> lodged >> in there. We've seen too many of them smell the same stinky way, just >> varying in intensity. >> Jim >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On 12/31/04 1:12 PM, "Bailey Ford" wrote: >>=20 >>> Have you tried removing the keys to see what might be stuck down >>> there? >>> If you are careful, you can pry off the plastic key tops and they just >>> click back on. Take a look under there - you might just need a Q-Tip >>> and 20 min of careful effort to be stank free. Try to go on and off >>> with one key first to make sure you are comfortable doing it - some of >>> the laptop keys have to be lined up properly before they will click >>> back on easily - not a big deal, but worth looking at before you pry >>> 10 >>> or 20 keys off. >>>=20 >>> good luck. >>>=20 >>> -bailey >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Dec 31, 2004, at 12:37 PM, Nicholas Rempe wrote: >>>=20 >>>> People, >>>>=20 >>>> =A0 I hope all of you had a fantastic holidayand are prepared for 2005 >>>> later this evening.=A0 Being a college student, I am definately >>>> enjoying >>>> the four weeks off that the wonderful people at Central College give >>>> us.=A0 Anyway, here is the issue.=A0 I have a smelly keyboard on my iBook >>>> G3/900Mhz/12 in. computer.=A0 It smells terrible, almost body odor >>>> like.=A0 Has anyone had these problems also?=A0 I was searching for >>>> similar problems online and there was a handful but they didn't >>>> really >>>> go anywhere for a solution.=A0 The obvious one would be to get a new >>>> keyboard but my battery died at the end of the semester and that was >>>> a >>>> $120 replacement.=A0 I leave for New York City in two days and I can >>>> get >>>> used to the smell, but if I am going to the incredible Mac Store they >>>> have in SOHO,=A0 I was wondering if I could get one that they have on a >>>> dead system or any of the spares they might have laying around.=A0 Just >>>> a thought, let me know what you guys know about this issue. >>>>=20 >>>> Thanks, >>>> Nick Rempe >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Dmmug mailing list >>> Dmmug@dmmug.org >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Dmmug mailing list >> Dmmug@dmmug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug