From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Apr 1 13:36:05 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bryan Baker) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 07:36:05 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Meeting topics In-Reply-To: <6DE3E210-836C-11D8-B220-000A958E4EB0@mac.com> References: <6DE3E210-836C-11D8-B220-000A958E4EB0@mac.com> Message-ID: <86427699-83E1-11D8-930C-000393C3E628@mac.com> I'm sorry, I just nuked a message Ed sent from a non-subscribed account. I meant to approve it, but I was still waking up. Ed, if you can read this, can you re-send that message? Here's a tip for everyone, if you have multiple accounts you might post from, subscribe them all and put all but one in "no-mail" mode. You can do all of this from the web interface at: http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug -- Bryan Baker President Des Moines Macintosh Users Group http://www.dmmug.org president@dmmug.org From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Apr 1 15:09:18 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (dmmug@dmmug.org) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 10:09:18 EST Subject: [DM-MUG] Meeting topics Message-ID: <1d2.1d781419.2d9d8a9e@aol.com> --part1_1d2.1d781419.2d9d8a9e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 3/31/04 5:40:37 PM, ka_klick@mac.com writes: > iCal in an office >=20 Not sure I could fill an hour, other than with stories of failed attempts,=20 but I have found one very easy solution that seems to work well for my offic= e,=20 particularly for private sharing & it's free (Well to a point). I would need= to=20 be able to use the WAP. I don't see a reason to wait for a meeting though,=20 see, icalx.com, iCal Exchange Now that it's out, I'm not sure it's worth meeting time, but if anyone wants= =20 more I would be willing to show how we use it. Very truly yours, Michael R. Hoffmann NOTICE: This e-mail (including any attachments) is covered by the electronic= =20 Communications Privacy Act, 18 USC =A7=A72510-2521, is confidential and may=20 contain attorney-client materials and/or attorney work product, legally priv= ileged=20 and protected from disclosure. This e-mail is intended for the addressee nam= ed=20 above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that a= ny=20 retention, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is=20 strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender advising that you have recei= ved=20 this message in error, then delete it and all copies of it. Thank you. Iowa Workers Compensation Law --part1_1d2.1d781419.2d9d8a9e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Not sure I could fill an hour, other than with stories of failed attempts, b= ut I have found one very easy solution that seems to work well for my office= , particularly for private sharing & it's free (Well to a point). I woul= d need to be able to use the WAP. I don't see a reason to wait for a meeting= though, see, icalx.com, iCal Exchange<= /FONT>

Now that it's out, I'm not sure it's worth meeting time, but if anyone wants= more I would be willing to show how we use it.

Very truly yours,
Michael R. Hoffmann
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 --part1_1d2.1d781419.2d9d8a9e_boundary-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Apr 1 17:34:21 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 11:34:21 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] new or old Powerbooks? Message-ID: Would those who have had TiBook and the new AlBooks, Matt W. I'm thinking of you, report as to whether moving to 15" or 17" AlBook is a good idea....I like my TiBook but may be able to move 'up' and with the new models coming out this summer, maybe, shopping now for 'old' model after that might be a good idea. Thoughts? -- Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa - Owner, http://www.JourneyZing.com - Your Source for Customized Trip & Travel Research and Attorney at Law, for civil rights, discrimination and employment law matters: http://www.herringlaw.com. Ph. 515/255-4475; iChat AV: victoriaherring@mac.com. From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 2 01:05:51 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Allen Huffman) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 19:05:51 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] 256MB memory for TiBook 400Mhz - anyone need? Message-ID: First, to the guy who I was going to sell my Airport card to -- please drop me a note! I finally pulled it out if you are still interested. Second, I have a 256MB memory module from my original TiBook 400Mhz (bought from MemoryToGo.com, I think). They are $52 from there today. Anyone wanna make me an offer before I put it up on e-Bay? I took advantage of Apples $700 credit offer and sent in my original TiBook and will have another 15" AlBook coming in -- the $1999 model. (The one I am using now is the top-end 1.25Mhz 15" with the SuperDrive.) I don't need the other laptop, but I figure I can sell it easier than I could my old TiBook, since this one will be brand new, never opened, with warranty (again, probably going to e-Bay unless anyone is looking for one -- $1999 list, I paid $1300+tax with a $700 tradein, and I'd like to get at least half the difference back. Best, Allen in Des Moines From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 2 03:22:01 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Martin G Hood) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 21:22:01 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Another Use Of Bcc Message-ID: Another use of Bcc (blind carbon copy) is to include your self so that you are sent back the same message that you are sent. Then you can create rules based on your filing methods, your sent emails are automatically filed their respective folders. Example of my folder names are "Online Orders" , "information request", "Tech Support", & etc. Emails that don't fall into a rule can be manually dragged to their respective folder. Gary Hood From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 2 04:54:21 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (dmmug@dmmug.org) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 20:54:21 -0800 Subject: [DM-MUG] Meeting topics In-Reply-To: <6DE3E210-836C-11D8-B220-000A958E4EB0@mac.com> References: <6DE3E210-836C-11D8-B220-000A958E4EB0@mac.com> Message-ID: Bryan,  (sorry - I need to pay attention to what email address I use from my www.mailblocks.com)   Good topic list. For my 2 cents worth, I hope we have the Shareware Roundup often!    I also thought it would be nice to have a simple feature where one or more members each month show others what programs they have on their desktop or which they use often that are special and that they have grown to love and depend on. Sometimes the simple things shared among each other can be fun to learn about. In the past year's programs I learned much about mail and several other programs, including Wiretap, from meetings and comments of others at the meetings.    Other possible topics:    A demo of the iChat and iLook.    More on MAC.COM usage and practical "how to" tips.    (though not strictly related to the Mac, a demo of a couple of folks different On Line Banking programs might be instructive. Sue and I have used 4 different Banks programs, including some that used Quicken and other programs. We now use one of the banks that has a heavily promoted nationwide free checking and Online Banking and bill paying that is flawless and lets us bank and keep records and pay bills whereever we are traveling - again not Mac specific but maybe something of interest to some).    Ed Kelly (above account is a spam blocking email address from Mailblocks)  Now long distance commuting to Columbia, SC but happily able to stay in touch from SC with Des Moines  and able to listen to WOI-AM radio on Real-One Player for the Mac on my Powerbook. Ed    -----Original Message-----  From: Bryan Baker   To: dmmug@dmmug.org  Sent: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 17:37:53 -0600  Subject: [DM-MUG] Meeting topics    Here is the roundup of subjects we've got "planned" for the coming months in no particular order.    We will need some volunteers to present these, and would prefer a firm commitment.    The iLife block will need supporting materials. I'll take "charge" of the block and probably at least do GarageBand.    We will also try and fit in Macworld, WWDC & other special discussions in as we can.      iCal in an office   Bluetooth, iSync, Addressbook, iCal - BB   Networking Basics   Wired Basics   Wireless Basics   Servers for dummies   Websites for newbies   iLife Block - BB, with help   iTunes/iPod   GarageBand   iPhoto   iMovie   iDVD   PDF   Shareware Roundup   Photoshop      --   Bryan Baker   Technology Advocate   Iowa Legal Aid   Suite 230   1111 9th Street   Des Moines, Ia 50314-2527      (515) 243-2151 (x1635)   From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 2 05:42:38 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Nicholas Rempe) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 23:42:38 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] 256MB memory for TiBook 400Mhz - anyone need? References: Message-ID: <000d01c41875$4ec944f0$779b9fd8@zabuza> Al, I don't need it anymore, I already bought one. Sorry bro... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Huffman" To: Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 7:05 PM Subject: [DM-MUG] 256MB memory for TiBook 400Mhz - anyone need? > First, to the guy who I was going to sell my Airport card to -- please > drop me a note! I finally pulled it out if you are still interested. > > Second, I have a 256MB memory module from my original TiBook 400Mhz > (bought from MemoryToGo.com, I think). They are $52 from there today. > Anyone wanna make me an offer before I put it up on e-Bay? > > I took advantage of Apples $700 credit offer and sent in my original > TiBook and will have another 15" AlBook coming in -- the $1999 model. > (The one I am using now is the top-end 1.25Mhz 15" with the > SuperDrive.) I don't need the other laptop, but I figure I can sell it > easier than I could my old TiBook, since this one will be brand new, > never opened, with warranty (again, probably going to e-Bay unless > anyone is looking for one -- $1999 list, I paid $1300+tax with a $700 > tradein, and I'd like to get at least half the difference back. > > Best, > > Allen in Des Moines > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 2 12:51:18 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 06:51:18 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] $700 credit??? Message-ID: I took advantage of Apples $700 credit offer and sent in my original TiBook and will have another 15" AlBook coming in -- the $1999 model. (The one I am using now is the top-end 1.25Mhz 15" with the SuperDrive.) I don't need the other laptop, but I figure I can sell it easier than I could my old TiBook, since this one will be brand new, never opened, with warranty (again, probably going to e-Bay unless anyone is looking for one -- $1999 list, I paid $1300+tax with a $700 tradein, and I'd like to get at least half the difference back. I missed this == is that still going on and where did you get it? -- Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa - Owner, http://www.JourneyZing.com - Your Source for Customized Trip & Travel Research and Attorney at Law, for civil rights, discrimination and employment law matters: http://www.herringlaw.com. Ph. 515/255-4475; iChat AV: victoriaherring@mac.com. From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 2 13:47:21 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 07:47:21 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] spring cleaning? Message-ID: I'm trying to clean up and out a bunch of stuff and, as you all can probably imagine from personal experience, there are gobs and gobs of cables and the like == powercables, ethernet, phone, etc.... Is there a place here in DSM where it makes sense to donate, swap, sell or whatever such??? Thanks. -- Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa - Owner, http://www.JourneyZing.com - Your Source for Customized Trip & Travel Research and Attorney at Law, for civil rights, discrimination and employment law matters: http://www.herringlaw.com. Ph. 515/255-4475; iChat AV: victoriaherring@mac.com. From dmmug@dmmug.org Sat Apr 3 01:29:44 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (dmmug@dmmug.org) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:29:44 EST Subject: [DM-MUG] I could use some advice! Message-ID: <1d1.1d85be7f.2d9f6d88@aol.com> --part1_1d1.1d85be7f.2d9f6d88_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm new to MUG, but I'm a teacher at Goodrell Middle School, and I have been one handedly trying to start a program with Macs. I teach Language Arts and have been trying to get Macs to use for videio storytellig. Our district only uses Dells, and is having a heart attack over the fact that we want Macs. We have a $10,000 Prairie Meadows grant that the district is trying to hold up so we will change our minds! I started a club called Video Voyagers. We sold Village Inn pies and mad enough to buy an eMac. The school used fundraiser money to buy an iMac. My kids are fantastic movie makers! I have convinced everyone in the whole building, so much so, that the principal is having me teach one section next year called Video Voyagers. I'm so tired of having to go up against the district to provide this technology for the kids (I also bought an iBook for the kids to use and take home at night, out of my own pocket. They were so excited about technology, but the district held up our funds. I know, I'm crazy!) What I'm wondering is this: Is there support out there somewhere? I'm going to go out and try to get sponsors for our club. Does anyone have a direction to send me or any advice? We even collect pop bottles!!!! We'll try anything! Yes, I'm writing grants, but so far, we haven't got one. Thanks for listening. You are all so helpful in your advice to others, that I thought maybe someone could point me in the right direction! Holly Welch Goodrell Middle School 3300 East 29th Street 242-8444 school 771-3358 cell --part1_1d1.1d85be7f.2d9f6d88_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm new to MUG, but I'm a teacher at Goodr= ell Middle School, and I have been one handedly trying to start a program wi= th Macs. I teach Language Arts and have been trying to get Macs to use for v= ideio storytellig. Our district only uses Dells, and is having a heart attac= k over the fact that we want Macs. We have a $10,000 Prairie Meadows grant t= hat the district is trying to hold up so we will change our minds!

I started a club called Video Voyagers. We sold Village Inn pies and mad eno= ugh to buy an eMac. The school used fundraiser money to buy an iMac. My kids= are fantastic movie makers! I have convinced everyone in the whole building= , so much so, that the principal is having me teach one section next year ca= lled Video Voyagers.

I'm so tired of having to go up against the district to provide this technol= ogy for the kids (I also bought an iBook for the kids to use and take home a= t night, out of my own pocket. They were so excited about technology, but th= e district held up our funds. I know, I'm crazy!)

What I'm wondering is this: Is there support out there somewhere? I'm going=20= to go out and try to get sponsors for our club. Does anyone have a direction= to send me or any advice? We even collect pop bottles!!!! We'll try anythin= g! Yes, I'm writing grants, but so far, we haven't got one.

Thanks for listening. You are all so helpful in your advice to others, that=20= I thought maybe someone could point me in the right direction!

Holly Welch
Goodrell Middle School
3300 East 29th Street
242-8444  school
771-3358  cell --part1_1d1.1d85be7f.2d9f6d88_boundary-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Sun Apr 4 19:24:59 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (CW Smith) Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 13:24:59 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Looking for a Nu-Bus ethernet card In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey everyone: I'm fixing up a PowerMac 5200 for a friend and I'm almost ready to turn it over to her, but I've run into a little parts problem. The Comm-port ethernet card I had (Apple Ethernet CS II) doesn't fit in the 5200. And the main bus is Nu-Bus, not PCI, so my PCI ethernet cards won't fit either. Does anyone out there have a Nu-Bus ethernet card (or one that will fit the 5200's comm slot) that they would be willing to sell, trade, or donate? I'll consider trading whatever parts you might need of similar value. Please respond DIRECTLY TO ME at cwsmith@mchsi.com Peace, CW Smith From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Apr 8 15:41:36 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Matt W) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 09:41:36 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Upgrade your TiBooks...or not Message-ID: With Victoria's recent question about new AlBooks vs. older models firmly implanted in my mind (well, maybe not implanted, but at least it was in there), I perked up when I found this link: http://www.barefeats.com/fire43.html. To summarize, it's not great news for G5 owners, but portable owners needing for some speed in the read/write area can rejoice as an inexpensive external RAID props up an older Mac quite a bit. Now there are other areas in which a G5 will toast a TiBook so everything is relative. As for replacing a working TiBook with a new AlBook, I only have one word to say... AppleCare. Okay, maybe a few more words, don't buy cheap RAM. Matthew From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Apr 8 15:54:07 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Jon Engelhardt) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 09:54:07 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] PDA advice Message-ID: <9654E900-896C-11D8-B6B4-000393C0DF42@prairieinet.net> Good Morning, I'm ready to take the PDA plunge and would like your advice. I don't need the best nor do I want entry level. What I need is calendar scheduling, phone #'s, addresses, etc. Of course I would like to be able to tie this in with my iMac G4 if possible. A friend has recommended the Tungsten E, now I need your ideas. Thanks. Jon Engelhardt From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Apr 8 16:21:53 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Jon Thompson) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 10:21:53 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] PDA advice In-Reply-To: <9654E900-896C-11D8-B6B4-000393C0DF42@prairieinet.net> References: <9654E900-896C-11D8-B6B4-000393C0DF42@prairieinet.net> Message-ID: <7757A202-8970-11D8-A390-000393760978@mac-consultant.com> Hey Jon! My wife has a Sony Clie, which is a palm variant. The only problem is that it requires a piece of $30 shareware to work with the Mac. Any of the Palm OS-based devices will work great with your setup. While there are solutions to make Pocket PC-based devices work with a Mac, I would not suggest going that route. The tungsten E is a nice one. While I have not used it directly, I have no doubt that it will work well for your needs. -- Jon Thompson Jon Thompson Consulting jon@mac-consultant.com (515) 360-0250 On Apr 8, 2004, at 9:54 AM, Jon Engelhardt wrote: > Good Morning, > > I'm ready to take the PDA plunge and would like your advice. I don't > need the best nor do I want entry level. What I need is calendar > scheduling, phone #'s, addresses, etc. Of course I would like to be > able to tie this in with my iMac G4 if possible. A friend has > recommended the Tungsten E, now I need your ideas. > > Thanks. > > Jon Engelhardt > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Apr 8 16:50:05 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Tim Earp) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 10:50:05 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] PDA advice References: <9654E900-896C-11D8-B6B4-000393C0DF42@prairieinet.net> Message-ID: <001f01c41d81$2933e4f0$1e0515ac@iowanetworkservices.net> I would throw my two cents in for an older Handspring Visor through eBay. I picked up the color Prism for less than $100 with all necessary hardware and software and it works perfectly on my iMac G3. I'm pretty sure there's a Palm Desktop app that works on OS X. Tim Earp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Engelhardt" To: Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 9:54 AM Subject: [DM-MUG] PDA advice > Good Morning, > > I'm ready to take the PDA plunge and would like your advice. I don't > need the best nor do I want entry level. What I need is calendar > scheduling, phone #'s, addresses, etc. Of course I would like to be > able to tie this in with my iMac G4 if possible. A friend has > recommended the Tungsten E, now I need your ideas. > > Thanks. > > Jon Engelhardt > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Apr 8 17:08:01 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (dmmug@dmmug.org) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 16:08:01 +0000 Subject: [DM-MUG] PDA advice Message-ID: <040820041608.10205.5bdf@mchsi.com> I'll echo everything that's been said so far. I have a Handspring Visor Edge which I got as it was being discontinued. It's B&W but I use the datebook/calendar, addresses & to do lists extensively and use it to take short notes as well. Have a piece of freeware that allows me to track my mileage, too. And when I got a new iMac last year, it adapted to OS X without any problems. Good luck! > I would throw my two cents in for an older Handspring Visor through eBay. I > picked up the color Prism for less than $100 with all necessary hardware and > software and it works perfectly on my iMac G3. I'm pretty sure there's a > Palm Desktop app that works on OS X. > > Tim Earp > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Engelhardt" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 9:54 AM > Subject: [DM-MUG] PDA advice > > > > Good Morning, > > > > I'm ready to take the PDA plunge and would like your advice. I don't > > need the best nor do I want entry level. What I need is calendar > > scheduling, phone #'s, addresses, etc. Of course I would like to be > > able to tie this in with my iMac G4 if possible. A friend has > > recommended the Tungsten E, now I need your ideas. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Jon Engelhardt > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Dmmug mailing list > > Dmmug@dmmug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Apr 8 17:08:01 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Matt W) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 11:08:01 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] PDA advice In-Reply-To: <7757A202-8970-11D8-A390-000393760978@mac-consultant.com> References: <9654E900-896C-11D8-B6B4-000393C0DF42@prairieinet.net> <7757A202-8970-11D8-A390-000393760978@mac-consultant.com> Message-ID: I've got a Newton 2000 for sale. I'm joking, of course. It is for sale though. I got it synced to my DotMac account before the end of last year using a nifty piece of software called NewtSync and a Keyspan USB adapter and then I got an iPod. I started to use the iPod more, and it is smaller, so the Newton has quietly fallen out of favor. If you don't need data-entry on the run an iPod would work too but cost might be out of reach. You sync when at home. It even has a reminder. There really isn't a "perfect" Mac PDA, but a Palm-based device is probably the best. http://www.palmone.com/us/products/compare/ Matthew On Apr 8, 2004, at 10:21 AM, Jon Thompson wrote: > Hey Jon! > > My wife has a Sony Clie, which is a palm variant. The only problem is > that it requires a piece of $30 shareware to work with the Mac. Any > of the Palm OS-based devices will work great with your setup. While > there are solutions to make Pocket PC-based devices work with a Mac, I > would not suggest going that route. > > The tungsten E is a nice one. While I have not used it directly, I > have no doubt that it will work well for your needs. > -- > Jon Thompson > Jon Thompson Consulting > jon@mac-consultant.com > (515) 360-0250 > On Apr 8, 2004, at 9:54 AM, Jon Engelhardt wrote: > >> Good Morning, >> >> I'm ready to take the PDA plunge and would like your advice. I don't >> need the best nor do I want entry level. What I need is calendar >> scheduling, phone #'s, addresses, etc. Of course I would like to be >> able to tie this in with my iMac G4 if possible. A friend has >> recommended the Tungsten E, now I need your ideas. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Jon Engelhardt >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dmmug mailing list >> Dmmug@dmmug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Apr 8 17:32:01 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Donald Brown) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 11:32:01 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] PDA advice In-Reply-To: <7757A202-8970-11D8-A390-000393760978@mac-consultant.com> References: <9654E900-896C-11D8-B6B4-000393C0DF42@prairieinet.net> <7757A202-8970-11D8-A390-000393760978@mac-consultant.com> Message-ID: <4322637C-897A-11D8-A4F9-000393C9402A@mac.com> I'll put in for the Sony Clie. You do need some software called the Missing Sync, but not only will it bring phone#s and addresses and all that, but Missing Sync also lets you transfer MP3s from iTunes or pictures from iPhoto over. If someone is boring you with a few pictures in his wallet, bore him back with a few hundred pictures in your PDA. Donald On Apr 8, 2004, at 10:21 AM, Jon Thompson wrote: > Hey Jon! > > My wife has a Sony Clie, which is a palm variant. The only problem is > that it requires a piece of $30 shareware to work with the Mac. Any > of the Palm OS-based devices will work great with your setup. While > there are solutions to make Pocket PC-based devices work with a Mac, I > would not suggest going that route. > > The tungsten E is a nice one. While I have not used it directly, I > have no doubt that it will work well for your needs. > -- > Jon Thompson > Jon Thompson Consulting > jon@mac-consultant.com > (515) 360-0250 > On Apr 8, 2004, at 9:54 AM, Jon Engelhardt wrote: > >> Good Morning, >> >> I'm ready to take the PDA plunge and would like your advice. I don't >> need the best nor do I want entry level. What I need is calendar >> scheduling, phone #'s, addresses, etc. Of course I would like to be >> able to tie this in with my iMac G4 if possible. A friend has >> recommended the Tungsten E, now I need your ideas. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Jon Engelhardt >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dmmug mailing list >> Dmmug@dmmug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > Donald Brown Prairie Group Technical Support don.brown@prgrsoft.com http://www.prgrsoft.com From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Apr 8 22:57:58 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (dmmug@dmmug.org) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 17:57:58 EDT Subject: [DM-MUG] PDA advice Message-ID: <1d9.1e531399.2da724e6@aol.com> --part1_1d9.1e531399.2da724e6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Guess I'll throw in my experience. I talked to a Mac tech before buying a PDA a year and a half ago. He recommended the Palm Tungsten T (now upgraded to a Tungsten C that is the same but includes a MP3 player). While is was a little expensive, it works so well with my iMac that I couldn't be happier. The calendar is wonderful, address book includes a birthday field that lets me know when I should be doing something, etc. You can record with it. I can print a daily calendar, weekly, or monthly. If I have an appointment with "John Smith" it will attach his info onto my daily calendar for reference. Neat. Couldn't live without my PDA. Good luck in finding one you like. --part1_1d9.1e531399.2da724e6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Guess I'll throw in my experience. = ; I talked to a Mac tech before buying a PDA a year and a half ago.  =20= He recommended the Palm Tungsten T (now upgraded to a Tungsten C that is the= same but includes a MP3 player).  While is was a little expensive, it= works so well with my iMac that I couldn't be happier.  The calendar=20= is wonderful, address book includes a birthday field that lets me know when=20= I should be doing something, etc.  You can record with it.  I ca= n print a daily calendar, weekly, or monthly.  If I have an appointmen= t with "John Smith" it will attach his info onto my daily calendar for refer= ence.  Neat.

Couldn't live without my PDA.  Good luck in finding one you like. --part1_1d9.1e531399.2da724e6_boundary-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 9 15:24:19 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Craig Campbell) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 09:24:19 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] PDA advice In-Reply-To: <9654E900-896C-11D8-B6B4-000393C0DF42@prairieinet.net> References: <9654E900-896C-11D8-B6B4-000393C0DF42@prairieinet.net> Message-ID: <97033BCA-8A31-11D8-97CB-000A95BAC462@campbellind.com> Bluetooth for syncing with a PDA device is really quick and easy. Also there are many cell phones that can sync contacts, calendar, to do and appointments. The only draw back to the cell phones is that contacts are organized by first name. On Apr 8, 2004, at 9:54 AM, Jon Engelhardt wrote: > Good Morning, > > I'm ready to take the PDA plunge and would like your advice. I don't > need the best nor do I want entry level. What I need is calendar > scheduling, phone #'s, addresses, etc. Of course I would like to be > able to tie this in with my iMac G4 if possible. A friend has > recommended the Tungsten E, now I need your ideas. > > Thanks. > > Jon Engelhardt > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Apr 12 22:11:31 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Dave Weis) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 16:11:31 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [DM-MUG] fontographer? Message-ID: Does anyone have a copy of fontographer on the list that they would like to sell? dave -- Dave Weis djweis@internetsolver.com http://www.internetsolver.com/ From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Apr 12 22:18:11 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bryan Baker) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 16:18:11 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] fontographer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you can't get any bites off the list, it looks like it's still an active (actively sold anyway) product. http://www.macromedia.com/software/fontographer/ On Apr 12, 2004, at 4:11 PM, Dave Weis wrote: > > Does anyone have a copy of fontographer on the list that they would > like > to sell? > > dave > > -- > Dave Weis > djweis@internetsolver.com > http://www.internetsolver.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > -- Bryan Baker Technology Advocate Iowa Legal Aid Suite 230 1111 9th Street Des Moines, Ia 50314-2527 (515) 243-2151 (x1635) http://www.iowalegalaid.org bbaker@iowalaw.org From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Apr 12 22:23:38 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Dave Weis) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 16:23:38 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [DM-MUG] fontographer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Apr 2004, Bryan Baker wrote: > If you can't get any bites off the list, it looks like it's still an > active (actively sold anyway) product. > http://www.macromedia.com/software/fontographer/ I saw that, but I'm frightened to spend the money when it hasn't been updated since '96, won't work on OS X, and has problems on anything new than Win98. dave > On Apr 12, 2004, at 4:11 PM, Dave Weis wrote: > > Does anyone have a copy of fontographer on the list that they would > > like > > to sell? > > > > dave > > > > -- > > Dave Weis > > djweis@internetsolver.com > > http://www.internetsolver.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Dmmug mailing list > > Dmmug@dmmug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > > -- > Bryan Baker > Technology Advocate > Iowa Legal Aid > Suite 230 > 1111 9th Street > Des Moines, Ia 50314-2527 > > (515) 243-2151 (x1635) > > http://www.iowalegalaid.org > bbaker@iowalaw.org > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > -- Dave Weis djweis@internetsolver.com http://www.internetsolver.com/ From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Apr 12 22:45:50 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bryan Baker) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 16:45:50 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] fontographer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That would be the problem. It looks like there are a few other vendors out there doing OSX stuff. http://www.pyrus.com/html/fontlab.html Not cheap, but at least looks living. Do you need to open old Fontographer files? or for lighter needs they seem to have: http://www.pyrus.com/html/typetool.html This looks like a good place to go looking for info: http://jeff.cs.mcgill.ca/~luc/maceditors.html On Apr 12, 2004, at 4:23 PM, Dave Weis wrote: > I saw that, but I'm frightened to spend the money when it hasn't been > updated since '96, won't work on OS X, and has problems on anything new > than Win98. > -- Bryan Baker Technology Advocate Iowa Legal Aid Suite 230 1111 9th Street Des Moines, Ia 50314-2527 (515) 243-2151 (x1635) http://www.iowalegalaid.org bbaker@iowalaw.org From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Apr 14 14:01:46 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Jack Mathews) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:01:46 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Aol .jpgs Message-ID: Help! I have sent .jpgs saved in photoshop to two different AOL subscribers recently and they say they can't open the files. How can I send these successfully? Jack Mathews From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Apr 14 18:41:34 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Martin Hood) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 12:41:34 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Aol .jpgs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jack I had that problem several weeks ago and found that you have to select send windows friendly attachments from the attach menu. Gary On Apr 14, 2004, at 8:01 AM, Jack Mathews wrote: > Help! > > I have sent .jpgs saved in photoshop to two different AOL subscribers > recently and they say they can't open the files. How can I send these > successfully? > > Jack Mathews > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Apr 14 18:49:43 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Chris Rinehart) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 12:49:43 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Aol .jpgs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1C6CC252-8E3C-11D8-A66A-003065C81C54@mindspring.com> Hello Aol has a lot of problems with the Microsoft mail programs it will not read any inline images. Try zipping them first and sending only separate attachments. In the Apple Mail.app you have to check the "Send Windows Friendly Attachments" even if you are not sending mail to a windows AOLer. Good Luck Chris Someday you will find that there is a difference between wanting and having. http://www.kavanaughgallery.com/ On Apr 14, 2004, at 8:01 AM, Jack Mathews wrote: > Help! > > I have sent .jpgs saved in photoshop to two different AOL subscribers > recently and they say they can't open the files. How can I send these > successfully? > > Jack Mathews > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Apr 14 22:49:29 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Ray Bowler) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:49:29 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Aol .jpgs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 12:41 PM -0500 on 4/14/04, Martin Hood wrote about Re: [DM-MUG] Aol .jpgs: Just a note that this is OS X Mail.app usage and not for Eudora. If you are using Eudora there is a Blue apple in the tool bar. Click and hold on it and select "Appple Double (Mime)". This should help. Other clients may have other ways of doing it but sending a MIME attachment is generally safest. Also send AOL users only one item at a time. Of course the safest way was suggested and that is to Zip the file before sending it. >Jack > >I had that problem several weeks ago and found that you have to select >send windows friendly attachments from the attach menu. > >Gary > > >On Apr 14, 2004, at 8:01 AM, Jack Mathews wrote: > >>Help! >> >>I have sent .jpgs saved in photoshop to two different AOL subscribers >>recently and they say they can't open the files. How can I send these >>successfully? -- Ray Des Moines, IA Mac Users Group Fourth Tues of the month. See From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Apr 14 23:06:10 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Matt W) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 17:06:10 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Aol .jpgs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No one mentioned using an FTP site or uploading to DotMac's personal Web page and having the users come and "get their own" copy via a Web browser. These are truly platform independent but they have to be set up first. Matthew On Apr 14, 2004, at 4:49 PM, Ray Bowler wrote: > At 12:41 PM -0500 on 4/14/04, Martin Hood wrote about Re: [DM-MUG] Aol > .jpgs: > Just a note that this is OS X Mail.app usage and not for Eudora. If > you are using Eudora there is a Blue apple in the tool bar. Click and > hold on it and select "Appple Double (Mime)". This should help. Other > clients may have other ways of doing it but sending a MIME attachment > is generally safest. Also send AOL users only one item at a time. Of > course the safest way was suggested and that is to Zip the file before > sending it. > >> Jack >> >> I had that problem several weeks ago and found that you have to select >> send windows friendly attachments from the attach menu. >> >> Gary >> >> >> On Apr 14, 2004, at 8:01 AM, Jack Mathews wrote: >> >>> Help! >>> >>> I have sent .jpgs saved in photoshop to two different AOL subscribers >>> recently and they say they can't open the files. How can I send these >>> successfully? > > -- > Ray > > Des Moines, IA Mac Users Group > Fourth Tues of the month. > See > > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 16 00:21:52 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Ray Bowler) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 18:21:52 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: apple vs. microsoft Message-ID: >Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 18:21:21 -0500 >To: >From: Ray Bowler >Subject: Fwd: apple vs. microsoft >Cc: >Bcc: >X-Attachments: > >>Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 13:42:05 -0400 >>From: Imwillhappy@aol.com >>To: Apple Perspectives >>Subject: apple vs. microsoft >>X-AOL-IP: 68.49.155.64 >>Reply-To: Apple Perspectives >>X-LYRIS-Message-Id: >> >>List-ID: Apple Perspectives >>List-Info: >>X-Message-To: [rbowler@mchsi.com] >> >>Hey, >> am in 7th grade and writing a persuasive essay on Mac vs. PC, >>taking the side of Apple. I need to know the pros of apple and the >>cons of microsoft. Please reply a.s.a.p. > > >-- > >Ray > >Des Moines, IA Mac Users Group >Fourth Tues of the month. >See > > -- Ray Des Moines, IA Mac Users Group Fourth Tues of the month. See From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 16 01:23:24 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Karl Hehr) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 19:23:24 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: apple vs. microsoft In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46488E36-8F3C-11D8-A706-0003931E6FBA@iastate.edu> http://www.macvspc.com On Apr 15, 2004, at 6:21 PM, Ray Bowler wrote: >> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 18:21:21 -0500 >> To: >> From: Ray Bowler >> Subject: Fwd: apple vs. microsoft >> Cc: >> Bcc: >> X-Attachments: >> >>> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 13:42:05 -0400 >>> From: Imwillhappy@aol.com >>> To: Apple Perspectives >>> Subject: apple vs. microsoft >>> X-AOL-IP: 68.49.155.64 >>> Reply-To: Apple Perspectives >>> X-LYRIS-Message-Id: >>> >> rbowler#mchsi.com@sparky.listmoms.net> >>> List-ID: Apple Perspectives >>> List-Info: >>> X-Message-To: [rbowler@mchsi.com] >>> >>> Hey, >>> am in 7th grade and writing a persuasive essay on Mac vs. PC, >>> taking the side of Apple. I need to know the pros of apple and the >>> cons of microsoft. Please reply a.s.a.p. >> >> >> -- >> >> Ray >> >> Des Moines, IA Mac Users Group >> Fourth Tues of the month. >> See >> >> > > > -- > Ray > > Des Moines, IA Mac Users Group > Fourth Tues of the month. > See > > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< Karl H. Hehr 1364 Howe Hall Graduate Assistant Ames, IA 50011 Engineering Distance Education Phone: (515) 294-7470 From dmmug@dmmug.org Sat Apr 17 17:47:10 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Matt W) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 11:47:10 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: apple vs. microsoft In-Reply-To: <46488E36-8F3C-11D8-A706-0003931E6FBA@iastate.edu> References: <46488E36-8F3C-11D8-A706-0003931E6FBA@iastate.edu> Message-ID: This site http://www.macvspc.com is now a search front-end. Here are a few others. http://www.xvsxp.com/ http://www.kio.nu/evangelista/ Matthew On Apr 15, 2004, at 7:23 PM, Karl Hehr wrote: > http://www.macvspc.com > > > On Apr 15, 2004, at 6:21 PM, Ray Bowler wrote: > >>> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 18:21:21 -0500 >>> To: >>> From: Ray Bowler >>> Subject: Fwd: apple vs. microsoft >>> Cc: >>> Bcc: >>> X-Attachments: >>> >>>> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 13:42:05 -0400 >>>> From: Imwillhappy@aol.com >>>> To: Apple Perspectives >>>> Subject: apple vs. microsoft >>>> X-AOL-IP: 68.49.155.64 >>>> Reply-To: Apple Perspectives >>>> >>>> X-LYRIS-Message-Id: >>>> >>> rbowler#mchsi.com@sparky.listmoms.net> >>>> List-ID: Apple Perspectives >>>> List-Info: >>>> X-Message-To: [rbowler@mchsi.com] >>>> >>>> Hey, >>>> am in 7th grade and writing a persuasive essay on Mac vs. PC, >>>> taking the side of Apple. I need to know the pros of apple and the >>>> cons of microsoft. Please reply a.s.a.p. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Ray >>> >>> Des Moines, IA Mac Users Group >>> Fourth Tues of the month. >>> See >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Ray >> >> Des Moines, IA Mac Users Group >> Fourth Tues of the month. >> See >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dmmug mailing list >> Dmmug@dmmug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> >> > > <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< > Karl H. Hehr 1364 Howe > Hall > Graduate Assistant Ames, IA 50011 > Engineering Distance Education Phone: (515) 294-7470 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Sat Apr 17 21:49:52 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Ray Bowler) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 15:49:52 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: apple vs. microsoft In-Reply-To: References: <46488E36-8F3C-11D8-A706-0003931E6FBA@iastate.edu> Message-ID: I found that out. I also found which seems to be the old site. I never saw a .info ending. At 11:47 AM -0500 on 4/17/04, Matt W wrote about Re: [DM-MUG] Fwd: apple vs. microsoft: >This site http://www.macvspc.com is now a search front-end. Here are >a few others. > >http://www.xvsxp.com/ > >http://www.kio.nu/evangelista/ > >Matthew -- Ray Des Moines, IA Mac Users Group Fourth Tues of the month. See From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Apr 19 14:12:21 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Jon Engelhardt) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 08:12:21 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Printer help Message-ID: <30EF2A53-9203-11D8-9A4F-000393C0DF42@prairieinet.net> Last weekend our son was printing off a large document, long story short--he ran out of ink and paper. I replaced the ink/paper and now the printer is being stubborn, I'm sure there must be an easy fix but I'm struggling to remember how. Suggestions would be most appreciated. Thanks. Jon Engelhardt From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Apr 19 18:53:45 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Matt W) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:53:45 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Printer help In-Reply-To: <30EF2A53-9203-11D8-9A4F-000393C0DF42@prairieinet.net> References: <30EF2A53-9203-11D8-9A4F-000393C0DF42@prairieinet.net> Message-ID: <80F40F29-922A-11D8-B064-000A95D7ED98@earthlink.net> Okaaay, going to need more info here. What brand and model of printer (i.e. Epson Stylus Color 740i). What is the symptom? (i.e. flashing lights on front panel, paper jam, prints with stripes or no output at all, won't turn on, etc.). Did you power cycle the printer? Unplug it for a few minutes and plug it back in? Matthew On Apr 19, 2004, at 8:12 AM, Jon Engelhardt wrote: > Last weekend our son was printing off a large document, long story > short--he ran out of ink and paper. I replaced the ink/paper and now > the printer is being stubborn, I'm sure there must be an easy fix but > I'm struggling to remember how. > > Suggestions would be most appreciated. > > Thanks. > > Jon Engelhardt > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Apr 19 19:03:49 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (jim Lagnese) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:03:49 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Printer help In-Reply-To: <80F40F29-922A-11D8-B064-000A95D7ED98@earthlink.net> Message-ID: If it is an epson, with OS X it may put the job on hold/stop the job. You have to resume printing. So the next question is, what OS are you using? Jim > From: Matt W > Reply-To: dmmug@dmmug.org > Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:53:45 -0500 > To: dmmug@dmmug.org > Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Printer help > > Okaaay, going to need more info here. > > What brand and model of printer (i.e. Epson Stylus Color 740i). What is > the symptom? (i.e. flashing lights on front panel, paper jam, prints > with stripes or no output at all, won't turn on, etc.). Did you power > cycle the printer? Unplug it for a few minutes and plug it back in? > > Matthew > > On Apr 19, 2004, at 8:12 AM, Jon Engelhardt wrote: > >> Last weekend our son was printing off a large document, long story >> short--he ran out of ink and paper. I replaced the ink/paper and now >> the printer is being stubborn, I'm sure there must be an easy fix but >> I'm struggling to remember how. >> >> Suggestions would be most appreciated. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Jon Engelhardt >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dmmug mailing list >> Dmmug@dmmug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Apr 19 19:13:01 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Jon Engelhardt) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:13:01 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Printer help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <31E73C13-922D-11D8-9A4F-000393C0DF42@prairieinet.net> It's OS X 10.3--HP psc 950 (printer/fax/scanner/copier) Jon On Apr 19, 2004, at 1:03 PM, jim Lagnese wrote: > If it is an epson, with OS X it may put the job on hold/stop the job. > You > have to resume printing. So the next question is, what OS are you > using? > Jim > > >> From: Matt W >> Reply-To: dmmug@dmmug.org >> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:53:45 -0500 >> To: dmmug@dmmug.org >> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Printer help >> >> Okaaay, going to need more info here. >> >> What brand and model of printer (i.e. Epson Stylus Color 740i). What >> is >> the symptom? (i.e. flashing lights on front panel, paper jam, prints >> with stripes or no output at all, won't turn on, etc.). Did you power >> cycle the printer? Unplug it for a few minutes and plug it back in? >> >> Matthew >> >> On Apr 19, 2004, at 8:12 AM, Jon Engelhardt wrote: >> >>> Last weekend our son was printing off a large document, long story >>> short--he ran out of ink and paper. I replaced the ink/paper and >>> now >>> the printer is being stubborn, I'm sure there must be an easy fix but >>> I'm struggling to remember how. >>> >>> Suggestions would be most appreciated. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Jon Engelhardt >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Dmmug mailing list >>> Dmmug@dmmug.org >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dmmug mailing list >> Dmmug@dmmug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Apr 19 19:17:35 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (jim Lagnese) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:17:35 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Printer help In-Reply-To: <31E73C13-922D-11D8-9A4F-000393C0DF42@prairieinet.net> Message-ID: I don't know enough about the HPs, but if you go to print and get the HP window, make sure the queue isn't stopped and see if jobs are waiting to be printed. > From: Jon Engelhardt > Reply-To: dmmug@dmmug.org > Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:13:01 -0500 > To: dmmug@dmmug.org > Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Printer help > > It's OS X 10.3--HP psc 950 (printer/fax/scanner/copier) > > Jon > On Apr 19, 2004, at 1:03 PM, jim Lagnese wrote: > >> If it is an epson, with OS X it may put the job on hold/stop the job. >> You >> have to resume printing. So the next question is, what OS are you >> using? >> Jim >> >> >>> From: Matt W >>> Reply-To: dmmug@dmmug.org >>> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:53:45 -0500 >>> To: dmmug@dmmug.org >>> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Printer help >>> >>> Okaaay, going to need more info here. >>> >>> What brand and model of printer (i.e. Epson Stylus Color 740i). What >>> is >>> the symptom? (i.e. flashing lights on front panel, paper jam, prints >>> with stripes or no output at all, won't turn on, etc.). Did you power >>> cycle the printer? Unplug it for a few minutes and plug it back in? >>> >>> Matthew >>> >>> On Apr 19, 2004, at 8:12 AM, Jon Engelhardt wrote: >>> >>>> Last weekend our son was printing off a large document, long story >>>> short--he ran out of ink and paper. I replaced the ink/paper and >>>> now >>>> the printer is being stubborn, I'm sure there must be an easy fix but >>>> I'm struggling to remember how. >>>> >>>> Suggestions would be most appreciated. >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> Jon Engelhardt >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Dmmug mailing list >>>> Dmmug@dmmug.org >>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Dmmug mailing list >>> Dmmug@dmmug.org >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dmmug mailing list >> Dmmug@dmmug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Apr 19 19:49:31 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Ray Bowler) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:49:31 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Printer help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In OX X go to Print Center, click on your printer. It probably says something like Job stopped. Click on where it says "Resume" and it should restart, probably at the beginning of the job. At 1:17 PM -0500 on 4/19/04, jim Lagnese wrote about Re: [DM-MUG] Printer help: >I don't know enough about the HPs, but if you go to print and get the HP >window, make sure the queue isn't stopped and see if jobs are waiting to be >printed. > >> From: Jon Engelhardt >> Reply-To: dmmug@dmmug.org >> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:13:01 -0500 >> To: dmmug@dmmug.org >> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Printer help >> >> It's OS X 10.3--HP psc 950 (printer/fax/scanner/copier) >> >> Jon >> On Apr 19, 2004, at 1:03 PM, jim Lagnese wrote: >> >>> If it is an epson, with OS X it may put the job on hold/stop the job. >>> You >>> have to resume printing. So the next question is, what OS are you >>> using? >>> Jim >>> >>> >>>> From: Matt W >>>> Reply-To: dmmug@dmmug.org >>>> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:53:45 -0500 >>>> To: dmmug@dmmug.org >>>> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Printer help >>>> >>>> Okaaay, going to need more info here. >>>> >>>> What brand and model of printer (i.e. Epson Stylus Color 740i). What >>>> is >>>> the symptom? (i.e. flashing lights on front panel, paper jam, prints >>>> with stripes or no output at all, won't turn on, etc.). Did you power >>>> cycle the printer? Unplug it for a few minutes and plug it back in? >>>> >>>> Matthew >>>> >>>> On Apr 19, 2004, at 8:12 AM, Jon Engelhardt wrote: >>>> >>>>> Last weekend our son was printing off a large document, long story >>>>> short--he ran out of ink and paper. I replaced the ink/paper and >>>>> now >>>>> the printer is being stubborn, I'm sure there must be an easy fix but >>>>> I'm struggling to remember how. >>>>> >>>>> Suggestions would be most appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> Jon Engelhardt >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Dmmug mailing list >>>>> Dmmug@dmmug.org >>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Dmmug mailing list >>>> Dmmug@dmmug.org >>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Dmmug mailing list >>> Dmmug@dmmug.org >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dmmug mailing list >> Dmmug@dmmug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > >_______________________________________________ >Dmmug mailing list >Dmmug@dmmug.org >http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug -- Ray Des Moines, IA Mac Users Group Fourth Tues of the month. See From dmmug@dmmug.org Tue Apr 20 17:28:08 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (jim Lagnese) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 11:28:08 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Printer help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In 10.3, or at least with mine, there is no print center, just the printer setup utility. If you open that, you have your printers in that window, and you can double click on the correct printer to open the configuration and see if there are any jobs waiting. > From: Ray Bowler > Reply-To: dmmug@dmmug.org > Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:49:31 -0500 > To: dmmug@dmmug.org > Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Printer help > > In OX X go to Print Center, click on your printer. It probably says > something like Job stopped. Click on where it says "Resume" and it > should restart, probably at the beginning of the job. > > At 1:17 PM -0500 on 4/19/04, jim Lagnese wrote about Re: [DM-MUG] Printer > help: >> I don't know enough about the HPs, but if you go to print and get the HP >> window, make sure the queue isn't stopped and see if jobs are waiting to be >> printed. >> >>> From: Jon Engelhardt >>> Reply-To: dmmug@dmmug.org >>> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:13:01 -0500 >>> To: dmmug@dmmug.org >>> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Printer help >>> >>> It's OS X 10.3--HP psc 950 (printer/fax/scanner/copier) >>> >>> Jon >>> On Apr 19, 2004, at 1:03 PM, jim Lagnese wrote: >>> >>>> If it is an epson, with OS X it may put the job on hold/stop the job. >>>> You >>>> have to resume printing. So the next question is, what OS are you >>>> using? >>>> Jim >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: Matt W >>>>> Reply-To: dmmug@dmmug.org >>>>> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:53:45 -0500 >>>>> To: dmmug@dmmug.org >>>>> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Printer help >>>>> >>>>> Okaaay, going to need more info here. >>>>> >>>>> What brand and model of printer (i.e. Epson Stylus Color 740i). What >>>>> is >>>>> the symptom? (i.e. flashing lights on front panel, paper jam, prints >>>>> with stripes or no output at all, won't turn on, etc.). Did you power >>>>> cycle the printer? Unplug it for a few minutes and plug it back in? >>>>> >>>>> Matthew >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 19, 2004, at 8:12 AM, Jon Engelhardt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Last weekend our son was printing off a large document, long story >>>>>> short--he ran out of ink and paper. I replaced the ink/paper and >>>>>> now >>>>>> the printer is being stubborn, I'm sure there must be an easy fix but >>>>>> I'm struggling to remember how. >>>>>> >>>>>> Suggestions would be most appreciated. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jon Engelhardt >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Dmmug mailing list >>>>>> Dmmug@dmmug.org >>>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Dmmug mailing list >>>>> Dmmug@dmmug.org >>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Dmmug mailing list >>>> Dmmug@dmmug.org >>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Dmmug mailing list >>> Dmmug@dmmug.org >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dmmug mailing list >> Dmmug@dmmug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > > -- > Ray > > Des Moines, IA Mac Users Group > Fourth Tues of the month. > See > > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From dmmug@dmmug.org Tue Apr 20 19:43:49 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Matthew Wheeler) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 13:43:49 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Printer help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jaguar = Print Center Panther = Printer Setup Utility No logic there. Print Center was a perfectly good and descriptive name. They won't rename the computer itself for over 5 years! but each version of OS X gets jumbled and modified. That's supposed to make things easier?? As mentioned, check printer queues for stopped jobs (usually indicated by the "Start Jobs" icon in the toolbar of each printer. Click "Start Jobs" and the printer is supposed to go back online and will print any jobs listed. If it Says "Stop Jobs" then the printer is already enabled. Other things to try: repair permissions (found in /Applications/Utilities/Disk Utility/) Try deleting the printer from the Printer Setup and re-adding it. Matthew On Apr 20, 2004, at 11:28 AM, jim Lagnese wrote: > In 10.3, or at least with mine, there is no print center, just the > printer > setup utility. If you open that, you have your printers in that > window, and > you can double click on the correct printer to open the configuration > and > see if there are any jobs waiting. > > >> From: Ray Bowler >> Reply-To: dmmug@dmmug.org >> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:49:31 -0500 >> To: dmmug@dmmug.org >> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Printer help >> >> In OX X go to Print Center, click on your printer. It probably says >> something like Job stopped. Click on where it says "Resume" and it >> should restart, probably at the beginning of the job. >> >> At 1:17 PM -0500 on 4/19/04, jim Lagnese wrote about Re: [DM-MUG] >> Printer >> help: >>> I don't know enough about the HPs, but if you go to print and get >>> the HP >>> window, make sure the queue isn't stopped and see if jobs are >>> waiting to be >>> printed. >>> >>>> From: Jon Engelhardt >>>> Reply-To: dmmug@dmmug.org >>>> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:13:01 -0500 >>>> To: dmmug@dmmug.org >>>> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Printer help >>>> >>>> It's OS X 10.3--HP psc 950 (printer/fax/scanner/copier) >>>> >>>> Jon >>>> On Apr 19, 2004, at 1:03 PM, jim Lagnese wrote: >>>> >>>>> If it is an epson, with OS X it may put the job on hold/stop the >>>>> job. >>>>> You >>>>> have to resume printing. So the next question is, what OS are you >>>>> using? >>>>> Jim >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> From: Matt W >>>>>> Reply-To: dmmug@dmmug.org >>>>>> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:53:45 -0500 >>>>>> To: dmmug@dmmug.org >>>>>> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Printer help >>>>>> >>>>>> Okaaay, going to need more info here. >>>>>> >>>>>> What brand and model of printer (i.e. Epson Stylus Color 740i). >>>>>> What >>>>>> is >>>>>> the symptom? (i.e. flashing lights on front panel, paper jam, >>>>>> prints >>>>>> with stripes or no output at all, won't turn on, etc.). Did you >>>>>> power >>>>>> cycle the printer? Unplug it for a few minutes and plug it back >>>>>> in? >>>>>> >>>>>> Matthew >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 19, 2004, at 8:12 AM, Jon Engelhardt wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Last weekend our son was printing off a large document, long >>>>>>> story >>>>>>> short--he ran out of ink and paper. I replaced the ink/paper >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> now >>>>>>> the printer is being stubborn, I'm sure there must be an easy >>>>>>> fix but >>>>>>> I'm struggling to remember how. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Suggestions would be most appreciated. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jon Engelhardt >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Dmmug mailing list >>>>>>> Dmmug@dmmug.org >>>>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Dmmug mailing list >>>>>> Dmmug@dmmug.org >>>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Dmmug mailing list >>>>> Dmmug@dmmug.org >>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Dmmug mailing list >>>> Dmmug@dmmug.org >>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Dmmug mailing list >>> Dmmug@dmmug.org >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> >> >> -- >> Ray >> >> Des Moines, IA Mac Users Group >> Fourth Tues of the month. >> See >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dmmug mailing list >> Dmmug@dmmug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Tue Apr 20 20:30:24 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Jon Engelhardt) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 14:30:24 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Printer help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2BC9B700-9301-11D8-8DD1-000393C0DF42@prairieinet.net> Thanks everyone for your suggestions, I've managed to get things working properly again. Jon On Apr 20, 2004, at 1:43 PM, Matthew Wheeler wrote: > Jaguar = Print Center > Panther = Printer Setup Utility > > No logic there. Print Center was a perfectly good and descriptive > name. They won't rename the computer itself for over 5 years! but each > version of OS X gets jumbled and modified. That's supposed to make > things easier?? > > As mentioned, check printer queues for stopped jobs (usually indicated > by the "Start Jobs" icon in the toolbar of each printer. Click "Start > Jobs" and the printer is supposed to go back online and will print any > jobs listed. If it Says "Stop Jobs" then the printer is already > enabled. > > Other things to try: repair permissions (found in > /Applications/Utilities/Disk Utility/) > Try deleting the printer from the Printer Setup and re-adding it. > > Matthew > > > On Apr 20, 2004, at 11:28 AM, jim Lagnese wrote: > >> In 10.3, or at least with mine, there is no print center, just the >> printer >> setup utility. If you open that, you have your printers in that >> window, and >> you can double click on the correct printer to open the configuration >> and >> see if there are any jobs waiting. >> >> >>> From: Ray Bowler >>> Reply-To: dmmug@dmmug.org >>> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:49:31 -0500 >>> To: dmmug@dmmug.org >>> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Printer help >>> >>> In OX X go to Print Center, click on your printer. It probably says >>> something like Job stopped. Click on where it says "Resume" and it >>> should restart, probably at the beginning of the job. >>> >>> At 1:17 PM -0500 on 4/19/04, jim Lagnese wrote about Re: [DM-MUG] >>> Printer >>> help: >>>> I don't know enough about the HPs, but if you go to print and get >>>> the HP >>>> window, make sure the queue isn't stopped and see if jobs are >>>> waiting to be >>>> printed. >>>> >>>>> From: Jon Engelhardt >>>>> Reply-To: dmmug@dmmug.org >>>>> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:13:01 -0500 >>>>> To: dmmug@dmmug.org >>>>> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Printer help >>>>> >>>>> It's OS X 10.3--HP psc 950 (printer/fax/scanner/copier) >>>>> >>>>> Jon >>>>> On Apr 19, 2004, at 1:03 PM, jim Lagnese wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> If it is an epson, with OS X it may put the job on hold/stop the >>>>>> job. >>>>>> You >>>>>> have to resume printing. So the next question is, what OS are you >>>>>> using? >>>>>> Jim >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> From: Matt W >>>>>>> Reply-To: dmmug@dmmug.org >>>>>>> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:53:45 -0500 >>>>>>> To: dmmug@dmmug.org >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Printer help >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Okaaay, going to need more info here. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What brand and model of printer (i.e. Epson Stylus Color 740i). >>>>>>> What >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> the symptom? (i.e. flashing lights on front panel, paper jam, >>>>>>> prints >>>>>>> with stripes or no output at all, won't turn on, etc.). Did you >>>>>>> power >>>>>>> cycle the printer? Unplug it for a few minutes and plug it back >>>>>>> in? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Matthew >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 19, 2004, at 8:12 AM, Jon Engelhardt wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Last weekend our son was printing off a large document, long >>>>>>>> story >>>>>>>> short--he ran out of ink and paper. I replaced the ink/paper >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>> the printer is being stubborn, I'm sure there must be an easy >>>>>>>> fix but >>>>>>>> I'm struggling to remember how. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Suggestions would be most appreciated. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jon Engelhardt >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Dmmug mailing list >>>>>>>> Dmmug@dmmug.org >>>>>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Dmmug mailing list >>>>>>> Dmmug@dmmug.org >>>>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Dmmug mailing list >>>>>> Dmmug@dmmug.org >>>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Dmmug mailing list >>>>> Dmmug@dmmug.org >>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Dmmug mailing list >>>> Dmmug@dmmug.org >>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ray >>> >>> Des Moines, IA Mac Users Group >>> Fourth Tues of the month. >>> See >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Dmmug mailing list >>> Dmmug@dmmug.org >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dmmug mailing list >> Dmmug@dmmug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Apr 21 15:14:31 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Kate) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 09:14:31 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Re: questions In-Reply-To: <6936DEF4-939D-11D8-B719-000A95D0601A@mac.com> References: <6936DEF4-939D-11D8-B719-000A95D0601A@mac.com> Message-ID: <358D2434-939E-11D8-B719-000A95D0601A@mac.com> > Some really strange things have happened...My new 2 month old > powerbook g4 got really hot on Sunday. So hot in the back and bottom > that I could not keep my fingers on it for 5 seconds. I do not have > it on anything that would hold in the temp. and have not changed > anything. I even lifted it up and set it a couple of inches above the > table and suspended it on something that allowed air flow. That > didn't help either. My battery went from 99% to 95%. Yesterday I let > the battery discharge and recharged it and it is now back to 99%. It > has not done it again since Sunday but then the weather has been > cooler. I called Mac support and they have noted this. > > This morning while having several windows open and having opened > realone player window after downloading it, the little rotating > pinwheel started spinning and would not stop. It would not allow me > to open or close anything. It went wild and crazy. I closed the lid > to put it to sleep. When I lifter the lid, the screen was blue with a > half inch white box and inside the box (you guessed it) the crazed > spinning pinwheel. My mac was possessed! I couldn't restart or shut > down with the upper right power off button, the > ctr/option/4leafclover/eject combo. Luckily I have the missing manual > which said to use the ctrl/4leafclove/power combo. That worked. > Whew! What happened? Did I do something to start this? > > I have been looking for a inexpensive accelerated dial up ISP and > found quite a few but not many support Mac in the accelerated service. > Flxtek does. The email that the company sent me this morning stated > that but they had not tried Safari. Anyone familiar with flxtek.com? > > Sorry this is so long. I have never written to y'all yet and I guess > I had it all bottled up. Thanks. Kate Q. > From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Apr 21 15:41:01 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Chris Rinehart) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 09:41:01 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Re: questions In-Reply-To: <358D2434-939E-11D8-B719-000A95D0601A@mac.com> References: <6936DEF4-939D-11D8-B719-000A95D0601A@mac.com> <358D2434-939E-11D8-B719-000A95D0601A@mac.com> Message-ID: Hello Earthlink has accelerated dial-up for Mac's but all it does is lower the quality of the graphics on a page to make it load faster. I have used Earthlink for web-hosting and internet access for several years and have no complaints. Best wishes Chris Someday you will find that there is a difference between wanting and having. http://www.kavanaughgallery.com On Apr 21, 2004, at 9:14 AM, Kate wrote: > > >> Some really strange things have happened...My new 2 month old >> powerbook g4 got really hot on Sunday. So hot in the back and bottom >> that I could not keep my fingers on it for 5 seconds. I do not have >> it on anything that would hold in the temp. and have not changed >> anything. I even lifted it up and set it a couple of inches above >> the table and suspended it on something that allowed air flow. That >> didn't help either. My battery went from 99% to 95%. Yesterday I >> let the battery discharge and recharged it and it is now back to 99%. >> It has not done it again since Sunday but then the weather has been >> cooler. I called Mac support and they have noted this. >> >> This morning while having several windows open and having opened >> realone player window after downloading it, the little rotating >> pinwheel started spinning and would not stop. It would not allow me >> to open or close anything. It went wild and crazy. I closed the lid >> to put it to sleep. When I lifter the lid, the screen was blue with >> a half inch white box and inside the box (you guessed it) the crazed >> spinning pinwheel. My mac was possessed! I couldn't restart or >> shut down with the upper right power off button, the >> ctr/option/4leafclover/eject combo. Luckily I have the missing >> manual which said to use the ctrl/4leafclove/power combo. That >> worked. Whew! What happened? Did I do something to start this? >> >> I have been looking for a inexpensive accelerated dial up ISP and >> found quite a few but not many support Mac in the accelerated >> service. Flxtek does. The email that the company sent me this >> morning stated that but they had not tried Safari. Anyone familiar >> with flxtek.com? >> >> Sorry this is so long. I have never written to y'all yet and I guess >> I had it all bottled up. Thanks. Kate Q. >> > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Apr 21 19:06:25 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Matt W) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 13:06:25 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Re: questions In-Reply-To: <358D2434-939E-11D8-B719-000A95D0601A@mac.com> References: <6936DEF4-939D-11D8-B719-000A95D0601A@mac.com> <358D2434-939E-11D8-B719-000A95D0601A@mac.com> Message-ID: <9A9602D2-93BE-11D8-80B5-000A95D7ED98@earthlink.net> A second for Earthlink, been a user since '95. Tell 'em a current=20 member (doesn't have to be me) sent you, we get referral credit. I'd=20 recommend them even if I didn't get credit though. Good experience with=20= them. You can use their Total Access software or go it alone using your=20= wits and Apple's Internet Connect. In West Des Moines, I've gotten up=20 to 10K/sec transfer using dial-up. It depends upon where you live. If=20 you really need "accelerated" browsing, don't go dial-up. Get DSL if=20 you can and Cable if you cannot. I use Freese-Notis as an ISP on Qwest=20= lines. Haven't had any network downtime in three years. As for why your PowerBook went wonky, and I'm assuming an Aluminum 15"=20= G4, I have these kinds of problems occasionally. Some are OS X=20 weirdness, some could be hardware, some could be flukes. OS X is a=20 great OS, but it is not immune to weirdness. Just yesterday I had to=20 wait 5 minutes for my password on wake from sleep. Turns out it was due=20= to two network volumes that I forgot to disconnect at my last client's=20= office. After these timed out I got to enter my password about, oh, 6=20 times before it would take due to all the clicks and keystrokes I tried=20= while it was playing at the beach. Partly my fault, but 5 minutes? If you've not upgraded to 10.3, you could be having common battery=20 reading problems. Readings were very inconsistent with 10.2.7 and=20 10.2.8 (especially the first release of 10.2.8) and the AlBooks. I even=20= remember some issues with 10.3.0. They are completely harmless, but=20 annoying. The battery readings will fluctuate for various reasons, but=20= a few points shouldn't be a problem. Lithium-ion batteries don't take=20 well to constant trickle charging. I think the OS lets the battery=20 discharge while it's on power a bit until it reaches a certain cut-off=20= and then it kicks it back up. Mine reads 97% frequently (and right=20 now). Limit your deep discharge cycles on Lithium-ion batteries, it may=20= reduce their life. Apple recommends doing it every few months, but=20 that's probably more for the software to report accurately than for=20 battery life. Remember, they sell batteries! My PBook got really hot Sunday too. Planetary convergence? Magnetic=20 resonance? Pure coincidence? Probably. If something's got a high CPU=20 cycle count it could get really hot. It sounds like some app or daemon=20= got stuck, heated up the CPU and eventually caused the hang you=20 reported. You could clear the PRAM (holding down the Command key=97what=20= you call the "4leafclover"=97the Option key and P=97R on a restart. If = you=20 do it right, your Mac will make multiple startup chimes (about 10=20 seconds apart). I usually let the keys up after the 2nd or 3rd startup=20= tone and let the Mac continue to start up. BTW, if you'd held down the=20= power key, just the power key, for about 5 seconds it would have shut=20 the power off. Run Repair Permissions from the Disk Utility app. You don't have to=20 start up from a system CD, but some people prefer this method. See=20 http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=3D152059. If you need more help, bring the Mac to the next group meeting=20 (www.dmmug.org) Good luck. Matthew On Apr 21, 2004, at 9:14 AM, Kate wrote: > > >> Some really strange things have happened...My new 2 month old=20 >> powerbook g4 got really hot on Sunday. So hot in the back and bottom=20= >> that I could not keep my fingers on it for 5 seconds. I do not have=20= >> it on anything that would hold in the temp. and have not changed=20 >> anything. I even lifted it up and set it a couple of inches above=20 >> the table and suspended it on something that allowed air flow. That=20= >> didn't help either. My battery went from 99% to 95%. Yesterday I=20 >> let the battery discharge and recharged it and it is now back to 99%.=20= >> It has not done it again since Sunday but then the weather has been=20= >> cooler. I called Mac support and they have noted this. >> >> This morning while having several windows open and having opened=20 >> realone player window after downloading it, the little rotating=20 >> pinwheel started spinning and would not stop. It would not allow me=20= >> to open or close anything. It went wild and crazy. I closed the lid=20= >> to put it to sleep. When I lifter the lid, the screen was blue with=20= >> a half inch white box and inside the box (you guessed it) the crazed=20= >> spinning pinwheel. My mac was possessed! I couldn't restart or=20 >> shut down with the upper right power off button, the=20 >> ctr/option/4leafclover/eject combo. Luckily I have the missing=20 >> manual which said to use the ctrl/4leafclove/power combo. That=20 >> worked. Whew! What happened? Did I do something to start this? >> >> I have been looking for a inexpensive accelerated dial up ISP and=20 >> found quite a few but not many support Mac in the accelerated=20 >> service. Flxtek does. The email that the company sent me this=20 >> morning stated that but they had not tried Safari. Anyone familiar=20= >> with flxtek.com? >> >> Sorry this is so long. I have never written to y'all yet and I guess=20= >> I had it all bottled up. Thanks. Kate Q. >> > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Apr 22 00:47:06 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (John Kisner) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 18:47:06 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] AppleWorks & iPod Message-ID: <325E9F4C-93EE-11D8-B214-0003935B53AC@dwx.com> I'm new to this list and have two questions: 1) I moved from ClarisWorks to AppleWorks but now find myself at something of a dead end. Without macros, I find AppleWorks really showing its age under OSX. I like the program at a sentimental level, but find myself switching over to Excel for more and more of my spreadsheet work. (I still like AppleWorks for word processing). My question: is there any talk of AppleWorks getting a true upgrade to become the "Keynote" of productivity software? Or is AppleWorks just something Apple keeps alive to make sure MicroSoft does not abandon the Mac? 2) My iPod is great, but I don't use it with headphones because the loudness seems to vary so much from one imported CD to another. (I know there is the Soundcheck button in prefs, but it doesn't seem to solve the problem.) Is there something else I should be doing to keep songs at a consistent decibel level? Thanks, John Kisner PS-- I will try to attend a DMMUG meeting -- that might be the best way to unravel secrets of the iPod. From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Apr 22 06:49:34 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Tony LaFemina) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 01:49:34 -0400 Subject: [DM-MUG] AppleWorks & iPod References: <325E9F4C-93EE-11D8-B214-0003935B53AC@dwx.com> Message-ID: <40875CEE.5010309@optonline.net> John Kisner wrote: > I'm new to this list and have two questions: > > 1) I moved from ClarisWorks to AppleWorks but now find myself at > something of a dead end. Without macros, I find AppleWorks really > showing its age under OSX. I like the program at a sentimental level, > but find myself switching over to Excel for more and more of my > spreadsheet work. (I still like AppleWorks for word processing). My > question: is there any talk of AppleWorks getting a true upgrade to > become the "Keynote" of productivity software? Or is AppleWorks just > something Apple keeps alive to make sure MicroSoft does not abandon > the Mac? > > Hi John and welcome to the list. I use AppleWorks too, but never upgraded from version 5. I heard from someone that the Classic version of AppleWorks still has macro support, so if you can get hold of a copy, you might feel better. I have no idea why Apple removed it from the OS X version, but I believe they removed some other stuff also. I guess they had their reasons. There was a rumor going around that they were working on iWorks, but I haven't heard anything about that in a while. I don't know what you do with spreadsheets or why you need Excel, but I'm still using AppleWorks for them. I have a bunch of samples at my web site that do all sorts of things. A few of them use macros, but if you can make use of any of the others, feel free to help yourself. I also have some pictures there that I edited with AppleWorks. As a matter of fact, just about everything at the site was done with AppleWorks. Good luck -- Tony LaFemina When you want to do more than just buy software http://hometown.aol.com/visitmacland/index.html mailto:remacs@optonline.net From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Apr 22 14:53:23 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (dmmug@dmmug.org) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 09:53:23 EDT Subject: [DM-MUG] AppleWorks & iPod Message-ID: <12f.3fffdfe0.2db92853@aol.com> --part1_12f.3fffdfe0.2db92853_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can you do a mail merge to an Appleworks WP document from Filemaker Pro? How? Mike --part1_12f.3fffdfe0.2db92853_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can you do a mail merge to an Applework= s WP document from Filemaker Pro? How?

Mike --part1_12f.3fffdfe0.2db92853_boundary-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 23 17:57:22 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (dmmug@dmmug.org) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:57:22 EDT Subject: [DM-MUG] Quest DSL Message-ID: Hi from Stan Murdock-- I would appreciate comments from anyone having experience with DSL from Quest or if you have heard anything about it. I am thinking of subscribing (in order to get away from AOL). AOL has been OK since I am not into doing a lot of web-surfing, but recently it has been constantly disconnecting me which causes me to set and wait until it finally decides to log off so I can finally log back on. I am assuming this is a problem because of AOL, not from my iMac computer. Stan, WDM. From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 23 18:33:12 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Matt W) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:33:12 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Quest DSL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B9402B3-954C-11D8-9EB8-00306548E9C2@earthlink.net> DSL from anybody is technically Qwest. Qwest provides the lines and=20 line support. Your ISP is usually a different company that you'll=20 probably be dealing with most often. The ISP actually connects you to=20 the 'Net. If there are ISP's that manage the lines, they're just=20 leasing from Qwest and handling the support calls themselves.=20 (http://www.qwest.com/internet/isp_list.html#Iowa) Qwest works with=20 just about all local ISP's. NetINS, DWX, etc. The only one I wouldn't=20 recommend is MSN, and Qwest will probably try to sell you on that one. Other Links http://www.qwest.com/internet http://www.qwest.com/internet/isp_list.html#Iowa Freese-Notis has a good package of services at an good price but some=20 folks tell me that it can take a little time to hear back from support.=20= Since nothing has ever broken with my connection, I can't really=20 comment. I have a lot of customers with NetINS, DWX, and PrairieINet,=20 but all are on dial-up. They all seem to have at least acceptable Mac=20 support. I'm sure we can get more user comments from the list on their=20= ISP experiences. Technology to avoid: PPPoE (PPP over Ethernet=97similar to dial-up. It's=20= trouble, at least compared to the alternatives. I don't know if we have=20= many providers using this in Iowa. Matthew On Apr 23, 2004, at 11:57 AM, SCMurdock@aol.com wrote: > Hi from Stan Murdock-- > > I would appreciate comments from anyone having experience with DSL=20 > from Quest > or if you have heard anything about it. I am thinking of subscribing=20= > (in > order to get away from AOL). AOL has been OK since I am not into=20 > doing a lot of > web-surfing, but recently it has been constantly disconnecting me=20 > which causes > me to set and wait until it finally decides to log off so I can=20 > finally log > back on. I am assuming this is a problem because of AOL, not from my=20= > iMac > computer. Stan, WDM. > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 23 18:40:28 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Craig Campbell) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:40:28 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Quest DSL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F66BBE0-954D-11D8-80E1-000A95BAC462@campbellind.com> I have used DSL from Qwest. I understand it is a shared DSL and the speed is a guaranteed minimum. I experienced some technical difficulties but I could always get ahold of a knowledgeable tech support person. I didn't like having to put high frequency filters before all my phones. I don't know If you have to do that anymore. I also had trouble with a fax phone switch on the Qwest line. Currently I have a dedicated ADSL from Mcleodusa.net. The line is faster and I have had very few technical problems. It cost more at the time I signed up but then I got more, like 384 kbps and 100 available ip addresses. To get the small office setup from Qwest actually cost more. On Apr 23, 2004, at 11:57 AM, SCMurdock@aol.com wrote: > Hi from Stan Murdock-- > > I would appreciate comments from anyone having experience with DSL > from Quest > or if you have heard anything about it. I am thinking of subscribing > (in > order to get away from AOL). AOL has been OK since I am not into > doing a lot of > web-surfing, but recently it has been constantly disconnecting me > which causes > me to set and wait until it finally decides to log off so I can > finally log > back on. I am assuming this is a problem because of AOL, not from my > iMac > computer. Stan, WDM. > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Sat Apr 24 00:10:01 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bryan Baker) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 18:10:01 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] (no subject) Message-ID: <591FC246-957B-11D8-98ED-000A958E4EB0@mac.com> Someone w/ ip address 12.216.25.20 (a Mediacom address) is running windows, and is infected w/ what looks like probably Netsky. Since these things tend to harvest email addresses from the infected system, I'm guessing you either get list mail, or have at least been to the website on the infected box. Please clean your machine up or shut it off. It keeps spamming the list w/ windows viri. -- Bryan Baker President Des Moines Macintosh Users Group http://www.dmmug.org president@dmmug.org From dmmug@dmmug.org Sat Apr 24 06:09:54 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Jeff Muller) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 00:09:54 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Quest DSL In-Reply-To: <4F66BBE0-954D-11D8-80E1-000A95BAC462@campbellind.com> References: <4F66BBE0-954D-11D8-80E1-000A95BAC462@campbellind.com> Message-ID: <9F81334E-95AD-11D8-9CA0-000393CC61CC@mchsi.com> I have a friend on DSM's west side who's had DSL for ages and just rebuilt her PeeCee and installed XP on it. Although their web site says different, Qwest no longer supports her old modem w/XP. BUT HERE'S THE INTERESTING PART: After many HOURS of talking to multiple customer service people and multiple tech support people over the course of several days, everything was finally set and she would be back to normal in about a week. Well, that week came and went on Tuesday with no action and no word. Turns out, they had cancelled her order! Solution: start all over!!! It again took her HOURS to re-arrange everything. Part of Qwest's problem is that each step of the process is a separate order (flip the switch; ship the new modem; send out an installer; etc.) and the left hand is clueless that the right hand even exists! After Full Explanation #3 today, the tech support guru summed up by saying, "OK, we'll ship you out a new (old style that doesn't work w/XP) modem right away." I believe she literally screamed "NOOOOOOOOO" when she heard that. Anyway it's nice that some people have had no trouble with the Qwest world but it's pretty clear that they don't bat anywhere near 1.000! Caveat emptor... On Apr 23, 2004, at 12:40 PM, Craig Campbell wrote: > I have used DSL from Qwest. I understand it is a shared DSL and the > speed is a guaranteed minimum. I experienced some technical > difficulties but I could always get ahold of a knowledgeable tech > support person. I didn't like having to put high frequency filters > before all my phones. I don't know If you have to do that anymore. I > also had trouble with a fax phone switch on the Qwest line. Currently > I have a dedicated ADSL from Mcleodusa.net. The line is faster and I > have had very few technical problems. It cost more at the time I > signed up but then I got more, like 384 kbps and 100 available ip > addresses. To get the small office setup from Qwest actually cost > more. > On Apr 23, 2004, at 11:57 AM, SCMurdock@aol.com wrote: > >> Hi from Stan Murdock-- >> >> I would appreciate comments from anyone having experience with DSL >> from Quest >> or if you have heard anything about it. I am thinking of subscribing >> (in >> order to get away from AOL). AOL has been OK since I am not into >> doing a lot of >> web-surfing, but recently it has been constantly disconnecting me >> which causes >> me to set and wait until it finally decides to log off so I can >> finally log >> back on. I am assuming this is a problem because of AOL, not from my >> iMac >> computer. Stan, WDM. >> _______________________________________________ >> Dmmug mailing list >> Dmmug@dmmug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Sat Apr 24 14:04:41 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Dave Weis) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 08:04:41 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [DM-MUG] Quest DSL In-Reply-To: <4B9402B3-954C-11D8-9EB8-00306548E9C2@earthlink.net> References: <4B9402B3-954C-11D8-9EB8-00306548E9C2@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, Matt W wrote: > Technology to avoid: PPPoE (PPP over Ethernet?similar to dial-up. It's > trouble, at least compared to the alternatives. I don't know if we have > many providers using this in Iowa. Almost everyone except Freese is using pppoa (atm) or pppoe. It just has to do with the encapsulation of data over the wire, it's nothing like dialup. -- Dave Weis djweis@internetsolver.com http://www.internetsolver.com/ From dmmug@dmmug.org Sat Apr 24 18:03:53 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bailey Ford) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 12:03:53 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] This was just too good not to pass along... Message-ID: <5DAE8376-9611-11D8-8260-00039357E9AE@mac.com> --Apple-Mail-1--707664926 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I'm not one of those card carrying Microsoft bashers. In fact, I think their Mac Business Unit churns out some pretty good stuff. However, their monopolistic practices and the arrogance with which they put out substandard product year after year make them easy to hate. In a recent article over at CNET (http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-5197411.html) there's a memo to Bill Gates from 1997 that lays out the situation beautifully. Here's an exert: > The report also includes a memo written for Microsoft Chairman Bill > Gates by C++ General Manager Aaron Contorer in 1997 that describes one > of the reasons why he felt Microsoft's Windows operating system was > becoming a must-have product for client PC vendors. > Contorer wrote that end users stuck with Windows, despite the > operating system's shortcomings, based on the high costs of abandoning > heavy investments already made in APIs. > "The Windows API is so broad, so deep and so functional that most > ISVs (independent software vendors) would be crazy not to use it. And > it is so deeply embedded in the source code of many Windows apps that > there is a huge switching cost to using a different operating system, > instead," the e-mail reads. > "It is this switching cost that has given the customers the patience > to stick with Windows through all our mistakes, our buggy drivers, our > high TCO (total cost of ownership), our lack of a sexy vision, at > times, and many other difficulties," the e-mail said. "Customers > constantly evaluate other desktop platforms, (but) it would be so much > work to move over that they hope we just improve Windows rather than > force them to move." > The Contorer e-mail continues: "In short, without this exclusive > franchise, called the Windows API, we would have been dead a long time > ago." > -bailey --Apple-Mail-1--707664926 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII I'm not one of those card carrying Microsoft bashers. In fact, I think their Mac Business Unit churns out some pretty good stuff. However, their monopolistic practices and the arrogance with which they put out substandard product year after year make them easy to hate. In a recent article over at CNET (http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-5197411.html) there's a memo to Bill Gates from 1997 that lays out the situation beautifully. Here's an exert: Arial The report also includes a memo written for Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates by C++ General Manager Aaron Contorer in 1997 that describes one of the reasons why he felt Microsoft's Windows operating system was becoming a must-have product for B2B2,3E3E,3E3Eclient PC vendors. Contorer wrote that end users stuck with Windows, despite the operating system's shortcomings, based on the high costs of abandoning heavy investments already made in APIs. "The Windows API is so broad, so deep and so functional that most ISVs (independent software vendors) would be crazy not to use it. And it is so deeply embedded in the source code of many Windows apps that there is a huge switching cost to using a different operating system, instead," the e-mail reads. "It is this switching cost that has given the customers the patience to stick with Windows through all our mistakes, our buggy drivers, our high TCO (total cost of ownership), our lack of a sexy vision, at times, and many other difficulties," the e-mail said. "Customers constantly evaluate other desktop platforms, (but) it would be so much work to move over that they hope we just improve Windows rather than force them to move." The Contorer e-mail continues: "In short, without this exclusive franchise, called the Windows API, we would have been dead a long time ago." -bailey --Apple-Mail-1--707664926-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Sat Apr 24 18:17:17 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bailey Ford) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 12:17:17 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] AppleWorks & iPod In-Reply-To: <325E9F4C-93EE-11D8-B214-0003935B53AC@dwx.com> References: <325E9F4C-93EE-11D8-B214-0003935B53AC@dwx.com> Message-ID: <3CAC8E18-9613-11D8-8260-00039357E9AE@mac.com> On Apr 21, 2004, at 6:47 PM, John Kisner wrote: > I'm new to this list and have two questions: > > 1) I moved from ClarisWorks to AppleWorks but now find myself at > something of a dead end. Without macros, I find AppleWorks really > showing its age under OSX. I like the program at a sentimental level, > but find myself switching over to Excel for more and more of my > spreadsheet work. (I still like AppleWorks for word processing). My > question: is there any talk of AppleWorks getting a true upgrade to > become the "Keynote" of productivity software? Or is AppleWorks just > something Apple keeps alive to make sure MicroSoft does not abandon > the Mac? I think there are a great many people hoping for this. I agree - AppleWorks does what it does pretty well, but is starting to seem pretty feature-thin. The rumor mill certainly talks about this happening with some frequency - often through Apple using one of the open source alternatives kind of like it did with Safari. I think most everyone believes you have to have M$ Office file compatibility to make it useful. > 2) My iPod is great, but I don't use it with headphones because the > loudness seems to vary so much from one imported CD to another. (I > know there is the Soundcheck button in prefs, but it doesn't seem to > solve the problem.) Is there something else I should be doing to keep > songs at a consistent decibel level? There are a couple of things. The first one it sounds like you may have done - to check the soundcheck button in the prefs and then allow iTunes enough idle time to analyze all you tracks. I'm actually not sure that this sound leveling translates to the iPod. For that, you may need to use a customized equalizer setting (which IS transfered to the iPod). Open up the EQ. On the left you'll find a volume adjuster. -bailey From dmmug@dmmug.org Sat Apr 24 20:38:50 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (dmmug@dmmug.org) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 15:38:50 EDT Subject: [DM-MUG] Mac/PC Question Message-ID: <140.27d69503.2dbc1c4a@aol.com> --part1_140.27d69503.2dbc1c4a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A person announced at a school meeting that a friend had put a Mac and a PC side by side for a test. They both went to the same web site, but when they came up, the Mac did not have the same information. Therefore, Macs can't produce the same info. What would cause this? Different browsers? Thanks, Holly Welch --part1_140.27d69503.2dbc1c4a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A person announced at a school meeting tha= t a friend had put a Mac and a PC side by side for a test. They both went to= the same web site, but when they came up, the Mac did not have the same inf= ormation. Therefore, Macs can't produce the same info.

What would cause this? Different browsers?

Thanks,

Holly Welch --part1_140.27d69503.2dbc1c4a_boundary-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Sat Apr 24 20:48:38 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Donald Brown) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 14:48:38 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Mac/PC Question In-Reply-To: <140.27d69503.2dbc1c4a@aol.com> References: <140.27d69503.2dbc1c4a@aol.com> Message-ID: <61AA0BC0-9628-11D8-8F28-000393C9402A@mac.com> I'd want to know what that website is. First, it's possible to write a website to give different content based on the browser or the platform, so it could have been a pure fraud. It's also possible for sloppy programmers to do things that only work on Windows IE 6 or later. If there's a difference, it's not that the Mac is faulty, it's that the website is faulty. And were I'd there, I think I'd have gotten the distinct odor of rodent. Donald On Apr 24, 2004, at 2:38 PM, HWelch7625@aol.com wrote: > A person announced at a school meeting that a friend had put a Mac and > a PC side by side for a test. They both went to the same web site, but > when they came up, the Mac did not have the same information. > Therefore, Macs can't produce the same info. > > What would cause this? Different browsers? > > Thanks, > > Holly Welch From dmmug@dmmug.org Sat Apr 24 21:49:19 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bailey Ford) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 15:49:19 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Mac/PC Question In-Reply-To: <61AA0BC0-9628-11D8-8F28-000393C9402A@mac.com> References: <140.27d69503.2dbc1c4a@aol.com> <61AA0BC0-9628-11D8-8F28-000393C9402A@mac.com> Message-ID: --Apple-Mail-2--694138773 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I agree. Apple's browser is very standards conforming - much more so than Internet Explorer. Unless they are doing something totally strange on that site, you could probably get the mac to show the same stuff just by telling Safari to claim that it is a windows machine running IE. This might sound complicated, but it really isn't. You just turn on the debug menu and there's a menu item in there for changing the User Agent. Just select Windows IE 6 in that list and voila! Hmmm... probably the easiest way to turn on that debug menu is to go download Safari enhancer. If you are not afraid to type ;-), you can enable the debug menu yourself. Quit Safari and type this into the terminal: defaults write com.apple.Safari IncludeDebugMenu 1 The next time you launch Safari, the debug menu will be there. Just type the same command with a 0 instead of a 1 to turn it back off. -bailey On Apr 24, 2004, at 2:48 PM, Donald Brown wrote: > I'd want to know what that website is. First, it's possible to write > a website to give different content based on the browser or the > platform, so it could have been a pure fraud. It's also possible for > sloppy programmers to do things that only work on Windows IE 6 or > later. > > If there's a difference, it's not that the Mac is faulty, it's that > the website is faulty. And were I'd there, I think I'd have gotten > the distinct odor of rodent. > > Donald > > On Apr 24, 2004, at 2:38 PM, HWelch7625@aol.com wrote: > >> A person announced at a school meeting that a friend had put a Mac >> and a PC side by side for a test. They both went to the same web >> site, but when they came up, the Mac did not have the same >> information. Therefore, Macs can't produce the same info. >> >> What would cause this? Different browsers? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Holly Welch --Apple-Mail-2--694138773 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII I agree. Apple's browser is very standards conforming - much more so than Internet Explorer. Unless they are doing something totally strange on that site, you could probably get the mac to show the same stuff just by telling Safari to claim that it is a windows machine running IE. This might sound complicated, but it really isn't. You just turn on the debug menu and there's a menu item in there for changing the User Agent. Just select Windows IE 6 in that list and voila! Hmmm... probably the easiest way to turn on that debug menu is to go download Safari enhancer. If you are not afraid to type ;-), you can enable the debug menu yourself. Quit Safari and type this into the terminal: Verdana0000,0000,6666defaults write com.apple.Safari IncludeDebugMenu 1 The next time you launch Safari, the debug menu will be there. Just type the same command with a 0 instead of a 1 to turn it back off. -bailey On Apr 24, 2004, at 2:48 PM, Donald Brown wrote: I'd want to know what that website is. First, it's possible to write a website to give different content based on the browser or the platform, so it could have been a pure fraud. It's also possible for sloppy programmers to do things that only work on Windows IE 6 or later. If there's a difference, it's not that the Mac is faulty, it's that the website is faulty. And were I'd there, I think I'd have gotten the distinct odor of rodent. Donald On Apr 24, 2004, at 2:38 PM, HWelch7625@aol.com wrote: A person announced at a school meeting that a friend had put a Mac and a PC side by side for a test. They both went to the same web site, but when they came up, the Mac did not have the same information. Therefore, Macs can't produce the same info. What would cause this? Different browsers? Thanks, Holly Welch --Apple-Mail-2--694138773-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Sun Apr 25 00:23:13 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Ray Bowler) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 18:23:13 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Mac/PC Question In-Reply-To: <140.27d69503.2dbc1c4a@aol.com> References: <140.27d69503.2dbc1c4a@aol.com> Message-ID: At 3:38 PM -0400 on 4/24/04, HWelch7625@aol.com wrote about [DM-MUG] Mac/PC Question: >A person announced at a school meeting that a friend had put a Mac >and a PC side by side for a test. They both went to the same web >site, but when they came up, the Mac did not have the same >information. Therefore, Macs can't produce the same info. > >What would cause this? Different browsers? > >Thanks, > >Holly Welch Holly, What information was different? What was the web site? There are web sites which are written with MicroSoft software which will not display properly because they use Windoze specific code which does not comply with industry standards and at times are written (I think) to exclude anything except a PC running the latest Internet explored. Which version of which browsers? Did they try with anything except IE on the PC? There are several out there so they should check with those. Some older versions of browsers will not display cascading style sheets properly while recent versions of IE, Netscape and and Safari will. Even on a PC two different browsers can show things differently. As someone else noted in one response sloppy programming will show things differently. The few times I have written web sites I have carefully tested that it would work correctly with several browsers (both PC and Mac). You have some Mac hating people around so beware of them -- Ray Des Moines, IA Mac Users Group Fourth Tues of the month. See From dmmug@dmmug.org Sat Apr 24 22:05:43 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Chris Rinehart) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 16:05:43 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Mac/PC Question In-Reply-To: <140.27d69503.2dbc1c4a@aol.com> References: <140.27d69503.2dbc1c4a@aol.com> Message-ID: <25E5B6DC-9633-11D8-ADB0-003065C81C54@mindspring.com> --Apple-Mail-3--693155628 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hello It was probably the browser or browser version that made the difference. The new standard for making web pages XHTML is supposed to make all web pages look the same no matter what Operating system or browser you are using. But most websites are nowhere near compliant. If you look at a page that is optimized for Explorer with Navigator it will load completely differently some tags will not load at all even on the same computer. Because of the Mac's early adoption by schools there are many people (Mostly in PC sales or PC maintenance ) that love to go around showing you how things work better on a PC. Good Luck Chris Someday you will find that there is a difference between wanting and having. http://www.kavanaughgallery.com On Apr 24, 2004, at 2:38 PM, HWelch7625@aol.com wrote: > A person announced at a school meeting that a friend had put a Mac and > a PC side by side for a test. They both went to the same web site, but > when they came up, the Mac did not have the same information. > Therefore, Macs can't produce the same info. > > What would cause this? Different browsers? > > Thanks, > > Holly Welch --Apple-Mail-3--693155628 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Hello It was probably the browser or browser version that made the difference. The new standard for making web pages XHTML is supposed to make all web pages look the same no matter what Operating system or browser you are using. But most websites are nowhere near compliant. If you look at a page that is optimized for Explorer with Navigator it will load completely differently some tags will not load at all even on the same computer. Because of the Mac's early adoption by schools there are many people (Mostly in PC sales or PC maintenance ) that love to go around showing you how things work better on a PC. Good Luck Chris Someday you will find that there is a difference between wanting and having. http://www.kavanaughgallery.com On Apr 24, 2004, at 2:38 PM, HWelch7625@aol.com wrote: Comic Sans MS8080,0000,8080A person announced at a school meeting that a friend had put a Mac and a PC side by side for a test. They both went to the same web site, but when they came up, the Mac did not have the same information. Therefore, Macs can't produce the same info. Comic Sans MS8080,0000,8080 What would cause this? Different browsers? Comic Sans MS8080,0000,8080 Thanks, Comic Sans MS8080,0000,8080 Holly Welch --Apple-Mail-3--693155628-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Sun Apr 25 21:52:18 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Tony LaFemina) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 16:52:18 -0400 Subject: [DM-MUG] Mac/PC Question References: <140.27d69503.2dbc1c4a@aol.com> Message-ID: <408C2502.9080006@optonline.net> HWelch7625@aol.com wrote: > A person announced at a school meeting that a friend had put a Mac and > a PC side by side for a test. They both went to the same web site, but > when they came up, the Mac did not have the same information. > Therefore, Macs can't produce the same info. > > What would cause this? Different browsers? > > Thanks, > > Holly Welch Holly The answer is simple. The person doing the testing was a PC person, because if a Mac person ran the test, the PC would be the one that couldn't produce the same info. -- Tony LaFemina When you want to do more than just buy software http://hometown.aol.com/visitmacland/index.html mailto:remacs@optonline.net From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Apr 26 06:12:00 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bryan Baker) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 00:12:00 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Meeting tuesday Message-ID: <3FA33AB8-9740-11D8-8DC0-000393C3E628@mac.com> Just a little reminder, that we have our meeting tuesday night. (4/27) Since we hadn't decided an order yet, I'll jump in and talk about Bluetooth (wireless USB). -- Bryan Baker President Des Moines Macintosh Users Group http://www.dmmug.org president@dmmug.org From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Apr 26 16:58:07 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Matt W) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 10:58:07 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] AppleWorks & iPod In-Reply-To: <3CAC8E18-9613-11D8-8260-00039357E9AE@mac.com> References: <325E9F4C-93EE-11D8-B214-0003935B53AC@dwx.com> <3CAC8E18-9613-11D8-8260-00039357E9AE@mac.com> Message-ID: <821FFAE2-979A-11D8-A745-000A95D7ED98@earthlink.net> I've tried using Soundcheck a couple of times without satisfactory results. Some albums seem to defy the algorithm used to alter the levels. Older, less dynamic (dynamic meaning higher highs, lower lows) tracks seem to be very soft and newer tracks knock me over when they come up on the iPod. This is exactly opposite what I would expect with the Soundcheck feature. However, the tracks that are a problem are the exception rather than the rule. Like Bailey mentioned, manually modifying the track or album has worked well for me, though I might use the Volume Adjustment from the Get Info rather than the EQ setting. Select a song (or a group of songs) Get Info and select Options from the tab at the top of the window that comes up. This appears to be more of a pre-amp setting. I have a lot of distortion problems using the EQ settings. I'm pretty sure that this setting also transfers to the iPod as well when syncing. Matthew On Apr 24, 2004, at 12:17 PM, Bailey Ford wrote: > > On Apr 21, 2004, at 6:47 PM, John Kisner wrote: > >> I'm new to this list and have two questions: >> >> 1) I moved from ClarisWorks to AppleWorks but now find myself at >> something of a dead end. Without macros, I find AppleWorks really >> showing its age under OSX. I like the program at a sentimental >> level, but find myself switching over to Excel for more and more of >> my spreadsheet work. (I still like AppleWorks for word processing). >> My question: is there any talk of AppleWorks getting a true upgrade >> to become the "Keynote" of productivity software? Or is AppleWorks >> just something Apple keeps alive to make sure MicroSoft does not >> abandon the Mac? > > I think there are a great many people hoping for this. I agree - > AppleWorks does what it does pretty well, but is starting to seem > pretty feature-thin. The rumor mill certainly talks about this > happening with some frequency - often through Apple using one of the > open source alternatives kind of like it did with Safari. I think most > everyone believes you have to have M$ Office file compatibility to > make it useful. > > >> 2) My iPod is great, but I don't use it with headphones because the >> loudness seems to vary so much from one imported CD to another. (I >> know there is the Soundcheck button in prefs, but it doesn't seem to >> solve the problem.) Is there something else I should be doing to >> keep songs at a consistent decibel level? > > There are a couple of things. The first one it sounds like you may > have done - to check the soundcheck button in the prefs and then allow > iTunes enough idle time to analyze all you tracks. I'm actually not > sure that this sound leveling translates to the iPod. For that, you > may need to use a customized equalizer setting (which IS transfered to > the iPod). Open up the EQ. On the left you'll find a volume adjuster. > > -bailey > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Apr 26 17:05:41 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Matt W) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:05:41 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] This was just too good not to pass along... In-Reply-To: <5DAE8376-9611-11D8-8260-00039357E9AE@mac.com> References: <5DAE8376-9611-11D8-8260-00039357E9AE@mac.com> Message-ID: <90FE1546-979B-11D8-A745-000A95D7ED98@earthlink.net> --Apple-Mail-1--538357130 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I hope this is an eye-opener for some people. It's common sense, really, if you just look at the way M$ behaves. MW On Apr 24, 2004, at 12:03 PM, Bailey Ford wrote: > I'm not one of those card carrying Microsoft bashers. In fact, I think > their Mac Business Unit churns out some pretty good stuff. However, > their monopolistic practices and the arrogance with which they put out > substandard product year after year make them easy to hate. In a > recent article over at CNET > (http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-5197411.html) there's a memo to Bill > Gates from 1997 that lays out the situation beautifully. Here's an > exert: > >> The report also includes a memo written for Microsoft Chairman Bill >> Gates by C++ General Manager Aaron Contorer in 1997 that describes >> one of the reasons why he felt Microsoft's Windows operating system >> was becoming a must-have product for client PC vendors. >> Contorer wrote that end users stuck with Windows, despite the >> operating system's shortcomings, based on the high costs of >> abandoning heavy investments already made in APIs. >> "The Windows API is so broad, so deep and so functional that most >> ISVs (independent software vendors) would be crazy not to use it. And >> it is so deeply embedded in the source code of many Windows apps that >> there is a huge switching cost to using a different operating system, >> instead," the e-mail reads. >> "It is this switching cost that has given the customers the patience >> to stick with Windows through all our mistakes, our buggy drivers, >> our high TCO (total cost of ownership), our lack of a sexy vision, at >> times, and many other difficulties," the e-mail said. "Customers >> constantly evaluate other desktop platforms, (but) it would be so >> much work to move over that they hope we just improve Windows rather >> than force them to move." >> The Contorer e-mail continues: "In short, without this exclusive >> franchise, called the Windows API, we would have been dead a long >> time ago." >> > > > > -bailey --Apple-Mail-1--538357130 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII I hope this is an eye-opener for some people. It's common sense, really, if you just look at the way M$ behaves. MW On Apr 24, 2004, at 12:03 PM, Bailey Ford wrote: I'm not one of those card carrying Microsoft bashers. In fact, I think their Mac Business Unit churns out some pretty good stuff. However, their monopolistic practices and the arrogance with which they put out substandard product year after year make them easy to hate. In a recent article over at CNET (http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-5197411.html) there's a memo to Bill Gates from 1997 that lays out the situation beautifully. Here's an exert: Arial The report also includes a memo written for Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates by C++ General Manager Aaron Contorer in 1997 that describes one of the reasons why he felt Microsoft's Windows operating system was becoming a must-have product for B2B1,3E3D,3E3Dclient PC vendors. Contorer wrote that end users stuck with Windows, despite the operating system's shortcomings, based on the high costs of abandoning heavy investments already made in APIs. "The Windows API is so broad, so deep and so functional that most ISVs (independent software vendors) would be crazy not to use it. And it is so deeply embedded in the source code of many Windows apps that there is a huge switching cost to using a different operating system, instead," the e-mail reads. "It is this switching cost that has given the customers the patience to stick with Windows through all our mistakes, our buggy drivers, our high TCO (total cost of ownership), our lack of a sexy vision, at times, and many other difficulties," the e-mail said. "Customers constantly evaluate other desktop platforms, (but) it would be so much work to move over that they hope we just improve Windows rather than force them to move." The Contorer e-mail continues: "In short, without this exclusive franchise, called the Windows API, we would have been dead a long time ago." -bailey --Apple-Mail-1--538357130-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Apr 26 17:09:29 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Matt W) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:09:29 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Quest DSL In-Reply-To: References: <4B9402B3-954C-11D8-9EB8-00306548E9C2@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <18BBA5AD-979C-11D8-A745-000A95D7ED98@earthlink.net> Enlighten me brotha. Why is it nothing like dial-up, I wanna know! I have never configured PPPoE and hear evil things about it. I heard it was like dial-up due to the fact that it had to reconnect after a time-out period and could take up to 30 seconds to do so. Matthew On Apr 24, 2004, at 8:04 AM, Dave Weis wrote: > > On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, Matt W wrote: >> Technology to avoid: PPPoE (PPP over Ethernet?similar to dial-up. It's >> trouble, at least compared to the alternatives. I don't know if we >> have >> many providers using this in Iowa. > > Almost everyone except Freese is using pppoa (atm) or pppoe. It just > has > to do with the encapsulation of data over the wire, it's nothing like > dialup. > > -- > Dave Weis > djweis@internetsolver.com > http://www.internetsolver.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Apr 26 23:53:36 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Martin Hood) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 17:53:36 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Downloading Opens In Test Message-ID: <8D6D84CE-97D4-11D8-A6F1-000A9599CB98@mchsi.com> Hi Folks I tried to download a copy of Fairtunes (Link on macnn.com) and when I click on the link the file opens with ASKII garbage and the first line says stuffit. http://www.mypersonalgetaway.com/FairTunes.sitx. I have never seen a download do this. Anyone have any ideas? Gary From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Apr 26 23:55:31 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Chris Van Cleve) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 17:55:31 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Downloading Opens In Test In-Reply-To: <8D6D84CE-97D4-11D8-A6F1-000A9599CB98@mchsi.com> References: <8D6D84CE-97D4-11D8-A6F1-000A9599CB98@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Hold down option when clicking the link as the page suggests. On Apr 26, 2004, at 5:53 PM, Martin Hood wrote: > Hi Folks > > I tried to download a copy of Fairtunes (Link on macnn.com) and when I > click on the link the file opens with ASKII garbage and the first > line says stuffit. http://www.mypersonalgetaway.com/FairTunes.sitx. I > have never seen a download do this. Anyone have any ideas? > > Gary > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > From dmmug@dmmug.org Tue Apr 27 13:22:59 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bailey Ford) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 07:22:59 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Quest DSL In-Reply-To: <18BBA5AD-979C-11D8-A745-000A95D7ED98@earthlink.net> References: <4B9402B3-954C-11D8-9EB8-00306548E9C2@earthlink.net> <18BBA5AD-979C-11D8-A745-000A95D7ED98@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <9ECCA9B2-9845-11D8-964E-00039357E9AE@mac.com> The DSL I had with the baby bell in Atlanta used PPPoE for a while. Pretty much instant-on and no time outs. For whatever it's worth... -bailey On Apr 26, 2004, at 11:09 AM, Matt W wrote: > Enlighten me brotha. Why is it nothing like dial-up, I wanna know! I > have never configured PPPoE and hear evil things about it. I heard it > was like dial-up due to the fact that it had to reconnect after a > time-out period and could take up to 30 seconds to do so. > > Matthew > > On Apr 24, 2004, at 8:04 AM, Dave Weis wrote: From dmmug@dmmug.org Tue Apr 27 13:24:57 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bailey Ford) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 07:24:57 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Downloading Opens In Test In-Reply-To: <8D6D84CE-97D4-11D8-A6F1-000A9599CB98@mchsi.com> References: <8D6D84CE-97D4-11D8-A6F1-000A9599CB98@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Hey, Yeah, "Garbage Happens" :) Usually, the easiest way is to just right click (or control click - same thing) and save the link to disk that way. I think I snagged a copy of that to see how they did it. I think I've got your email around here - I'll zap it to you. - bailey On Apr 26, 2004, at 5:53 PM, Martin Hood wrote: > Hi Folks > > I tried to download a copy of Fairtunes (Link on macnn.com) and when I > click on the link the file opens with ASKII garbage and the first > line says stuffit. http://www.mypersonalgetaway.com/FairTunes.sitx. I > have never seen a download do this. Anyone have any ideas? > > Gary > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Tue Apr 27 13:34:30 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Dave Weis) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 07:34:30 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [DM-MUG] Quest DSL In-Reply-To: <9ECCA9B2-9845-11D8-964E-00039357E9AE@mac.com> References: <4B9402B3-954C-11D8-9EB8-00306548E9C2@earthlink.net> <18BBA5AD-979C-11D8-A745-000A95D7ED98@earthlink.net> <9ECCA9B2-9845-11D8-964E-00039357E9AE@mac.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Apr 2004, Bailey Ford wrote: > The DSL I had with the baby bell in Atlanta used PPPoE for a while. > Pretty much instant-on and no time outs. For whatever it's worth... > On Apr 26, 2004, at 11:09 AM, Matt W wrote: > > Enlighten me brotha. Why is it nothing like dial-up, I wanna know! I > > have never configured PPPoE and hear evil things about it. I heard it > > was like dial-up due to the fact that it had to reconnect after a > > time-out period and could take up to 30 seconds to do so. Sorry, spaced out. Most of the difference has to do with the atm layer of dsl. Using bridging like Freese and some other ISP's doesn't scale as well because you have groups of people on your subnet that you can't reach by default. When I had dsl at home, there were two of my clients on the same subnet that I couldn't connect to without sshing to another server first, or setting up routes explicitly. With bridging you can also just pick IP addresses and take them, causing severe problems when the real owner comes back on line. It is a little bit slower, but not appreciably, probably no more than 2-3%, due to slightly more headers on the packets. dave -- Dave Weis djweis@internetsolver.com http://www.internetsolver.com/ From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Apr 28 13:10:52 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bailey Ford) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 07:10:52 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Meeting Notes from last night (please excuse the unnecessary change of tense in my notes) Message-ID: <1816E2DA-990D-11D8-8CC4-00039357E9AE@mac.com> --Apple-Mail-2--379646180 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Here's how the meeting went down for those who missed it: Introductions all around. There are some new people =96 a few folks=20 wanting to learn some basics. One guy (Mark?) from the unix group.=20 Jim=92s first meeting after 4.5 years on the list! One person=20 specifically asked that we discuss various broadband options in the=20 area. There was no old business. New business: ordering the presentations. The officers yammered for a=20 while and basically mapped out the next 6 or so meetings. One session=20 on Graphics followed by the iLife block: iTunes, iPhoto, GarageBand,=20 iMovie/iDVD. Then Brian gave a great Bluetooth (BT) Presentation. BT was named after a Danish King. He then showed the definition from=20 apple's tech note. Basically BT is short-range wireless technology to=20 connect devices. What can you do with it: Phones, headsets, keyboards, PDAs, mice and computers all can have=20 Bluetooth. Connected computers and phones and Palm OS based PDAs can=20 use the connection to sync or do file transfers. Also, printers are now=20= being made with Bluetooth connections. We had a general discussion of=20 cell phones and providers and talked about syncing contacts via=20 Bluetooth and transferring midi files as custom ring tones with the=20 same connection. Various software to utilize the Bluetooth connection: iSync will help you transfer address book contacts and iCal=20 appointments. With iChat AV and a Bluetooth enabled headset you can=20 have audio chats wirelessly. The really impressive thing is a geeky=20 little tool called Salling Clicker. This application uses Bluetooth as=20= a proximity detector to allow you to launch certain functions when you=20= walk near your computer. Bluetooth range is about 30 feet for many=20 devices. Update mentioned for the recent Airport 3.4.1 to repair some problems=20 that were introduced with the recent 3.4 update. Also the Bluetooth=20 drivers must be updated in order to use the headsets with iChat AV. We=20= hypothesise that the Bluetooth devices have some kind of hardware id=20 number like a MAC address on Ethernet cards. Bluetooth connections are=20= also encrypted so even the hard coded pin that allows a connection=20 between the headset a phone or the computer (as well as your actual=20 conversation) is encrypted for your security. Brian was talking about=20 BluePhoneMenu software to use the Bluetooth connection to give you=20 caller ID information when the phone is near the computer. This display=20= also shows battery and signal strength for the phone right on the=20 computer screen. The last software reviewed is called Salling Clicker.=20= It=92s shareware with 30 actions before it disables (=91till you start = it=20 up again). We are going to take a quick break before moving into the demonstration=20= part of the program =96 the =93Lab Session=94 where all this will be=20 demonstrated. Round Two, The LAB: Some computers come with BT ability. Others require a little USB nub=20 that provides the feature. First stop in the lab is the Bluetooth=20 Preference Pane. There are three tabs in the pane =96 Settings, File=20 Exchange, and Devices. The Devices screen shows all of the devices in=20 the area =96 in our case, his phone and headset. One of the main options=20= in the Settings area is that BT devices can be discoverable or not. =20 For the geeky, the network topology of the Bluetooth area network is=20 peer-to-peer. Other options here include turning encryptions on,=20 allowing devices to wake the computer or to support a wider range of=20 phones. One of the main behaviors is to pair a device with the computer. To do=20= this just select the device and click =91pair new device=92 in the=20 preference pane. Matthew=92s Powerbook also showed up in the device list=20= and he already paired his laptop with the keyboard. Since it had been=20 set up already, The keyboard was unpaired with Matt=92s so that Brian=20 could attempt to connect. The first attempt to pair failed. Then we turned on Kates machine and craziness ensued. We showed the=20 pairing procedure several times and used the FileSharing utility to a=20 file between Brian and Kate=92s Mac. We tried to connect with Kate=92s=20= machine to Brians phone and we were summarily DENIED access by the evil=20= overlord Brian. He then browsed the files on his phone. We could see=20 all the images that his phone had taken with its integrated camera. More than the basic utilities that are used to control BT directly,=20 many of the iLife apps can make use of those connections. The Address=20 Book has a BT button right on the main screen that shows phones (and=20 presumably PDAs) and all of their info becomes available. The address=20 book can also dial his phone directly to make the call for you. iSync=20 will also use iCal to move your calendar info onto your BT phone. Brian=20= recommends making a special phone group or category to keep iSync from=20= loading up the phone with all of your contact and calendar info.=20 Instead, you can tell iSync to only use info in that group. Soooo. In summary, we showed some of the basic settings for BT on the=20 computer and how BT devices are paired to be used together. Also the=20 File exchange program was demoed. The functions that we have discussed=20= are all available from the BT menu. There are also several BT oriented=20= Apps in the Utilities folder. Bluetooth File Exchange, Bluetooth Serial=20= Utility, and the Bluetooth Setup Assistant. We also demonstrated how=20 the iLife apps are taking advantage of the BT technology. OK. I think that's it. Corrections and questions are always welcome. - Bailey --Apple-Mail-2--379646180 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Times New RomanHere's how the meeting went down for those who missed it: Introductions all around. There are some new people =96 a few folks wanting to learn some basics. One guy (Mark?) from the unix group. Jim=92s first meeting after 4.5 years on the list! One person specifically asked that we discuss various broadband options in the area.=20 There was no old business. New business: ordering the presentations. The officers yammered for a while and basically mapped out the next 6 or so meetings. One session on Graphics followed by the iLife block: iTunes, iPhoto, GarageBand, iMovie/iDVD. Then Brian gave a great Bluetooth (BT) Presentation.=20 BT was named after a Danish King. He then showed the definition from apple's tech note. Basically BT is short-range wireless technology to connect devices.=20 What can you do with it: Phones, headsets, keyboards, PDAs, mice and computers all can have Bluetooth. Connected computers and phones and Palm OS based PDAs can use the connection to sync or do file transfers. Also, printers are now being made with Bluetooth connections. We had a general discussion of cell phones and providers and talked about syncing contacts via Bluetooth and transferring midi files as custom ring tones with the same connection.=20 Various software to utilize the Bluetooth connection: iSync will help you transfer address book contacts and iCal appointments. With iChat AV and a Bluetooth enabled headset you can have audio chats wirelessly. The really impressive thing is a geeky little tool called Salling Clicker. This application uses Bluetooth as a proximity detector to allow you to launch certain functions when you walk near your computer. Bluetooth range is about 30 feet for many devices.=20 Update mentioned for the recent Airport 3.4.1 to repair some problems that were introduced with the recent 3.4 update. Also the Bluetooth drivers must be updated in order to use the headsets with iChat AV. We hypothesise that the Bluetooth devices have some kind of hardware id number like a MAC address on Ethernet cards. Bluetooth connections are also encrypted so even the hard coded pin that allows a connection between the headset a phone or the computer (as well as your actual conversation) is encrypted for your security. Brian was talking about BluePhoneMenu software to use the Bluetooth connection to give you caller ID information when the phone is near the computer. This display also shows battery and signal strength for the phone right on the computer screen. The last software reviewed is called Salling Clicker. It=92s shareware with 30 actions before it disables (=91till = you start it up again).=20 We are going to take a quick break before moving into the demonstration part of the program =96 the =93Lab Session=94 where all = this will be demonstrated. Round Two, The LAB: Some computers come with BT ability. Others require a little USB nub that provides the feature. First stop in the lab is the Bluetooth Preference Pane. There are three tabs in the pane =96 Settings, File Exchange, and Devices. The Devices screen shows all of the devices in the area =96 in our case, his phone and headset. One of the main options in the Settings area is that BT devices can be discoverable or not.=20 For the geeky, the network topology of the Bluetooth area network is peer-to-peer. Other options here include turning encryptions on, allowing devices to wake the computer or to support a wider range of phones.=20 One of the main behaviors is to pair a device with the computer. To do this just select the device and click =91pair new device=92 in the preference pane. Matthew=92s Powerbook also showed up in the device list and he already paired his laptop with the keyboard. Since it had been set up already, The keyboard was unpaired with Matt=92s so that Brian could attempt to connect. The first attempt to pair failed.=20 Then we turned on Kates machine and craziness ensued. We showed the pairing procedure several times and used the FileSharing utility to a file between Brian and Kate=92s Mac. We tried to connect with Kate=92s machine to Brians phone and we were summarily DENIED access by the evil overlord Brian. He then browsed the files on his phone. We could see all the images that his phone had taken with its integrated camera.=20 More than the basic utilities that are used to control BT directly, many of the iLife apps can make use of those connections. The Address Book has a BT button right on the main screen that shows phones (and presumably PDAs) and all of their info becomes available. The address book can also dial his phone directly to make the call for you. iSync will also use iCal to move your calendar info onto your BT phone. Brian recommends making a special phone group or category to keep iSync from loading up the phone with all of your contact and calendar info. Instead, you can tell iSync to only use info in that group.=20 Soooo. In summary, we showed some of the basic settings for BT on the computer and how BT devices are paired to be used together. Also the File exchange program was demoed. The functions that we have discussed are all available from the BT menu. There are also several BT oriented Apps in the Utilities folder. Bluetooth File Exchange, Bluetooth Serial Utility, and the Bluetooth Setup Assistant. We also demonstrated how the iLife apps are taking advantage of the BT technology.=20 OK. I think that's it. Corrections and questions are always welcome.=20 - Bailey = --Apple-Mail-2--379646180-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Apr 28 19:15:02 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Matt W) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 13:15:02 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Quest DSL In-Reply-To: References: <4B9402B3-954C-11D8-9EB8-00306548E9C2@earthlink.net> <18BBA5AD-979C-11D8-A745-000A95D7ED98@earthlink.net> <9ECCA9B2-9845-11D8-964E-00039357E9AE@mac.com> Message-ID: Hmm, okay. It sounds to me like you're advocating PPPoE instead of bridging, correct assumption? Can PPPoE be used with a Static IP? What's your take on PPPoE for reliability? I'm hearing about all kinds of problems with Earthlink's implementation. Matthew On Apr 27, 2004, at 7:34 AM, Dave Weis wrote: > > On Tue, 27 Apr 2004, Bailey Ford wrote: >> The DSL I had with the baby bell in Atlanta used PPPoE for a while. >> Pretty much instant-on and no time outs. For whatever it's worth... >> On Apr 26, 2004, at 11:09 AM, Matt W wrote: >>> Enlighten me brotha. Why is it nothing like dial-up, I wanna know! I >>> have never configured PPPoE and hear evil things about it. I heard it >>> was like dial-up due to the fact that it had to reconnect after a >>> time-out period and could take up to 30 seconds to do so. > > Sorry, spaced out. Most of the difference has to do with the atm layer > of > dsl. Using bridging like Freese and some other ISP's doesn't scale as > well > because you have groups of people on your subnet that you can't reach > by > default. When I had dsl at home, there were two of my clients on the > same > subnet that I couldn't connect to without sshing to another server > first, > or setting up routes explicitly. With bridging you can also just pick > IP > addresses and take them, causing severe problems when the real owner > comes > back on line. > > It is a little bit slower, but not appreciably, probably no more than > 2-3%, due to slightly more headers on the packets. > > dave > > > -- > Dave Weis > djweis@internetsolver.com > http://www.internetsolver.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 30 03:23:05 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bill Smith) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 21:23:05 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] virus warning from my ISP Message-ID: <50156CAB-9A4D-11D8-920F-000A95DE7166@totacc.com> I received the following message from my ISP: We warn you about some attacks on your e-mail account. Your computer may contain viruses, in order to keep your computer and e-mail account safe, please, follow the instructions. There is then an attachment to open and a security password to open the attachment. Question: Do I really care inasmuch as I subscribe to .Mac and already have that virus protection in place? I did initially try to open the attachment, but got message I needed to upgrade to Stuffit Expander 7.03, with a query if I wanted to download it. At that point I canceled, and decided to query my dmmug group. -- Smith From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 30 03:42:06 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Ray Bowler) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 21:42:06 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] virus warning from my ISP In-Reply-To: <50156CAB-9A4D-11D8-920F-000A95DE7166@totacc.com> References: <50156CAB-9A4D-11D8-920F-000A95DE7166@totacc.com> Message-ID: Do not open!!! Only open attachments from known sources you trust. Your ISP would never send this kind of thing to you. If they would then change ISPs. Call your ISP or go to their site and check this out. Someone is probably trying to get you to open the attachment and reveal information (your email account password?) or unload a worm or Trojan Horse on you. I am aware of only one virus in the past for OS 8 or 9 which was thwarted by a setting in your CD player software. The one for OS X is theoretical. The Virex which you have from your .Mac account is probably all you would need even if it were real(if you keep the definitions update). Remember you have a Mac not a PC. Let the PC people take a hit on this one. At 9:23 PM -0500 on 4/29/04, Bill Smith wrote about [DM-MUG] virus warning from my ISP: >I received the following message from my ISP: >We warn you about some attacks on your e-mail account. Your computer >may contain viruses, in order to keep your computer and e-mail >account safe, >please, follow the instructions. > >There is then an attachment to open and a security password to open >the attachment. > >Question: Do I really care inasmuch as I subscribe to .Mac and >already have that virus protection in place? I did initially try to >open the attachment, but got message I needed to upgrade to Stuffit >Expander 7.03, with a query if I wanted to download it. At that >point I canceled, and decided to query my dmmug group. -- Smith > > >_______________________________________________ >Dmmug mailing list >Dmmug@dmmug.org >http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug -- Ray Des Moines, IA Mac Users Group Fourth Tues of the month. See From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 30 14:47:51 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bryan Baker) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 08:47:51 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] virus warning from my ISP In-Reply-To: <50156CAB-9A4D-11D8-920F-000A95DE7166@totacc.com> References: <50156CAB-9A4D-11D8-920F-000A95DE7166@totacc.com> Message-ID: It's a windows email worm, this is one of the latest "behavioral engineering" techniques to get people to open attachments. DO NOT OPEN (though on a mac it probably wont hurt) I bet it ends in .pif or .scr. On Apr 29, 2004, at 9:23 PM, Bill Smith wrote: > I received the following message from my ISP: > We warn you about some attacks on your e-mail account. Your computer > may contain viruses, in order to keep your computer and e-mail account > safe, > please, follow the instructions. > > There is then an attachment to open and a security password to open > the attachment. > > Question: Do I really care inasmuch as I subscribe to .Mac and already > have that virus protection in place? I did initially try to open the > attachment, but got message I needed to upgrade to Stuffit Expander > 7.03, with a query if I wanted to download it. At that point I > canceled, and decided to query my dmmug group. -- Smith > > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > -- Bryan Baker Technology Advocate Iowa Legal Aid Suite 230 1111 9th Street Des Moines, Ia 50314-2527 (515) 243-2980 x1635 http://iowalegalaid.org bbaker@iowalaw.org From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 30 15:18:33 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Matt W) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 09:18:33 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] virus warning from my ISP In-Reply-To: <50156CAB-9A4D-11D8-920F-000A95DE7166@totacc.com> References: <50156CAB-9A4D-11D8-920F-000A95DE7166@totacc.com> Message-ID: <430233F0-9AB1-11D8-9DA6-000A95D7ED98@earthlink.net> Your ISP (or anyone trustworthy) should never send you a program to open and run. They might offer a link to download a patch or to a virus information site. Attacks on your e-mail account? Scare tactics. Even if someone did attack your e-mail there isn't much they could do to it except maybe shut it down by sending you too many messages. Also note the poor grammar, "We warn you..." Not the mark of a well-thought out message. Matthew On Apr 29, 2004, at 9:23 PM, Bill Smith wrote: > I received the following message from my ISP: > We warn you about some attacks on your e-mail account. Your computer > may contain viruses, in order to keep your computer and e-mail account > safe, > please, follow the instructions. > > There is then an attachment to open and a security password to open > the attachment. > > Question: Do I really care inasmuch as I subscribe to .Mac and already > have that virus protection in place? I did initially try to open the > attachment, but got message I needed to upgrade to Stuffit Expander > 7.03, with a query if I wanted to download it. At that point I > canceled, and decided to query my dmmug group. -- Smith > > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 30 17:41:26 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Ruth M.F. Tucker) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:41:26 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] virus warning from my ISP In-Reply-To: <50156CAB-9A4D-11D8-920F-000A95DE7166@totacc.com> Message-ID: I think this is a spam mailing which may contain a virus. I received a similar message from supposedly my IPS provider. I forwarded it to them, and their reply was that it was probably a virus message, that they never sent email to their clients asking for a passwood, and with a generic greeting. Their advice was to not attempt to open the attachment and delete the message. I would suggests always contacting your IPS to be sure the message is legitimate. Ruth > From: Bill Smith > Reply-To: dmmug@dmmug.org > Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 21:23:05 -0500 > To: dmmug@dmmug.org > Subject: [DM-MUG] virus warning from my ISP > > I received the following message from my ISP: > We warn you about some attacks on your e-mail account. Your computer > may contain viruses, in order to keep your computer and e-mail account > safe, > please, follow the instructions. > > There is then an attachment to open and a security password to open the > attachment. > > Question: Do I really care inasmuch as I subscribe to .Mac and already > have that virus protection in place? I did initially try to open the > attachment, but got message I needed to upgrade to Stuffit Expander > 7.03, with a query if I wanted to download it. At that point I > canceled, and decided to query my dmmug group. -- Smith > > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 30 19:54:52 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 13:54:52 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] someone here was looking for a cheap under $300 mac.... Message-ID: > >The following HOT DEAL was just posted on http://dealmac.com ! > >Used iMac G3/233 for $250 >------------------------- >Matched on subscription to category "Apple systems" > >MegaMacs.com offers the used Bondi Blue iMac G3/233 with >15-inch CRT, 64MB RAM, 4GB hard drive, 24x CD-ROM, Ethernet, >and modem for $249.99, the lowest price we know to be >available. A mouse and keyboard are also included. A 30-day >reseller warranty applies. > >Click here for updates or to snap up this deal now: > > >Click here to stop receiving alerts for category "Apple systems": > > -- Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa - Owner, http://www.JourneyZing.com - Your Source for Customized Trip & Travel Research and Attorney at Law, for civil rights, discrimination and employment law matters: http://www.herringlaw.com. Ph. 515/255-4475; iChat AV: victoriaherring@mac.com. From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 30 20:20:05 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 14:20:05 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] someone here was looking for a cheap under $300 mac.... Message-ID: > >The following HOT DEAL was just posted on http://dealmac.com ! > >Used iMac G3/233 for $250 >------------------------- >Matched on subscription to category "Apple systems" > >MegaMacs.com offers the used Bondi Blue iMac G3/233 with >15-inch CRT, 64MB RAM, 4GB hard drive, 24x CD-ROM, Ethernet, >and modem for $249.99, the lowest price we know to be >available. A mouse and keyboard are also included. A 30-day >reseller warranty applies. > >Click here for updates or to snap up this deal now: > > >Click here to stop receiving alerts for category "Apple systems": > > -- Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa - Owner, http://www.JourneyZing.com - Your Source for Customized Trip & Travel Research and Attorney at Law, for civil rights, discrimination and employment law matters: http://www.herringlaw.com. Ph. 515/255-4475; iChat AV: victoriaherring@mac.com. From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 30 20:59:35 2004 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bryan Baker) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 14:59:35 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] O'Reiley and Website update Message-ID: We've signed up as an official "O'Reiley" users group. This offers our members several great advantages such as: 1. 20% Discount on Direct order merchandise & conference registrations - I'll share the code at meetings for now, or offlist. 2. They've already sent us 2 nice new books we'll be using as door prizes, etc. 3. For adding an OS Con banner to the website we'll be getting another book soon. 4. We're listed on their UG site, so people have another way to find us. 5. We may be able to get more speakers through them. there are now 2 banners on our site for them (a UG and an OS Con) we've finally added an official "Apple UG" banner. we've now got an additional rss feed from MacJams.com - more to come. -- Bryan Baker President Des Moines Macintosh Users Group http://www.dmmug.org president@dmmug.org