[ciapug] Hello...and what time is Monday's meeting?

[Bill Davis]

On Sep 30, 2007, at 7:37 PM, Carl Olsen wrote:
> Yes, I do PHP and MySQL at work, and some occasional Java (.jsp).

Nifty.  You work on the Drake web site, I presume?

>
> I do contract work on the side and I like .NET (I've also used Mono on
> Linux).  I'm one of the founding members of the IADNUG.

How do you find such work?  Word of mouth/networking?  I've not seen  
that the contracting/recruiting firms I'm working with (Robert Half,  
Paragon, Palmer, etc) look for such things, but perhaps I missed that.

I know that one or more of the local developer UGs does pro bono work  
for non-profits, too.  That's something I'm going to look at for  
"experience" as well.  Plus it's nice to "give back", especially in a  
way that benefits both parties.  Can't beat that!

>
>> From what I can see of this new PHP tool (plug in for Eclipse?),  
>> it looks
> good: http://www.zend.com/pdt
>
> Zend Studio costs around $300.

Ouch....unless you work for a company.   At least many of the  
developer tool companies have a free version and a $$$ pro version,  
like Microsoft's VS Express you pointed me to.  Of course, with Linux  
and Mac OS X having plenty of developer goodness built in...

  - Bill


>
> See you tomorrow!
>
> Carl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ciapug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:ciapug-bounces at cialug.org]  
> On Behalf
> Of Bill Davis
> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 6:41 PM
> To: Central Iowa PHP Users Group
> Subject: Re: [ciapug] Hello...and what time is Monday's meeting?
>
> On Sep 30, 2007, at 6:00 PM, Carl Olsen wrote:
>
>> I'm writing an application in C# right now.  It's a real estate web
>> site for
>> a non-profit, so anyone can list a property for free.  I would
>> imagine the
>> properties have to be in some sort of target area.  There will be a
>> search
>> tool for people looking for these properties.
>
> Cool.  Do you go to the IADNUG meeting too?
>
>> I re-code the property search for Hubbell Realty several times, but
>> that was done in PHP.  This will be
>> very similar.
>
> I'm assuming you do contracting work on the side?
>
>> I'm working on the photo piece now which involved graphic
>> manipulation for the images. There will be full and thumb sizes,
>> and I'm
>> storing the originals just in case I want to use them later.  I'm
>> allowing
>> input files to be in .gif, .jpg, .tif, .png, and .bmp, and then
>> outputting
>> them all in .jpg.  I have the code for this posted on my web site
>>
>> http://www.carlswebs.com/modules/newsmanager/shownews.aspx?NewsID=51
>>
>> but it's in .NET 1.1 and I'm doing this piece in .NET 2.0.
>>
>> I think Visual Studio now supports both Ruby and Python, but I'm
>> not sure.
>
> Yep.  www.sapphiresteel.com and www.ironpython.com (gods, I love
> Google.  I'm actually shocked when I CAN'T find anything instantly on
> Google.)
>
> The above redirects to http://www.codeplex.com/Wiki/View.aspx?
> ProjectName=IronPython
>
>>
>> I'm doing this entire project in Visual Studio 2005 Express Edition
>> (free)
>> which now allows the SQL Server database (also free) to exist
>> inside the web
>> site and all the class files are compiled on the server on the
>> first run so
>> I don't have to compile them separately any more.  I'm doing all
>> the stored
>> procedures in Visual Studio, so I never leave the application or
>> the IDE for
>> the whole thing, which is a huge improvement over the way I was
>> coding my
>> .NET 1.1 applications (plus the cost of those tools which were not
>> free).
>
> Ack!  I forgot about the Express Editions!   I'll check 'em out
> ASAP.   Thanx!
>
>> It's a lot more like PHP now (although I still use a separate tool
>> for MySQL
>> - just too lazy to learn how to do it in Zend Studio).  Zend Studio
>> isn't
>> free, but I just downloaded the new Eclipse thing for Zend and its
>> free (it
>> looks good from what I've seen so far - which is not much).
>
> I need to re-load Forte or NetBeans or Eclipse or one those Java
> IDEs, too.  We used Forte in the DMACC class.
>
> Maybe one under Windows and under Mac OS X....
>
> Not familiar with Zend Studio (it's time to visit Google again...)
>
> I basically know nothing about PHP at this point; the first thing I
> searched for after finding the web site was a local users group.
> I'll be looking at PHP and Python all next week, probably.  Using the
> php and python (and ruby) languages already built into my Mac in OS X.
>
> Thanks!  I look forward to meeting you tomorrow.
>
>   - Bill
>
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ciapug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:ciapug-bounces at cialug.org]
>> On Behalf
>> Of Bill Davis
>> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 5:42 PM
>> To: Central Iowa PHP Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [ciapug] Hello...and what time is Monday's meeting?
>>
>> On Sep 30, 2007, at 4:54 PM, Carl Olsen wrote:
>>
>>> It's the first Monday of the month unless that is a holiday (then I
>>> think it
>>> is the first Tuesday).
>>
>> Thanks! I like regular ones, so I can set up a repeating reminder in
>> my PDA so I won't forget.
>>
>>> I took the Invitation to Computer Science class but
>>> I'm too busy to keep on taking classes.  I was amazed at how much I
>>> learned
>>> in that class.  I thought I already knew it all.  Just kidding.
>>
>> I programmed most recently in Visual Basic 6 for about 7 years and
>> VMS Basic and DCL for 9 years, and NEVER thought I knew it all
>> despite learning new stuff constantly.
>>
>> I'm presently trying to find projects to do to learn more about Java
>> (taken 3 courses at DMACC a couple of years ago), JavaScript, VB.NET
>> or C#.NET (taken some courses in ASP.NET and SQL Server last year),
>> PHP, Python (can't find a local group, looks like there was one once
>> though but the link to the Pyowa mailing list points to CIALUG's
>> mailing list page.)  Also very interested in Ruby which just had a
>> local group just start up  (www.iowaruby.org) though there's no call
>> for it here locally to speak of...but I keep reading about it and
>> Rails in the professional and trade press so  I figure it might be
>> wise to start to learn about it NOW.
>>
>> All that's going to take a while, obviously!   Meanwhile I'm also
>> trying to find a job...which is a full time job on it's own. But in
>> the long term it won't hurt to be decently knowledgeable about all of
>> the above.   Not to mention XML, CSS, HTML (knowledgeable but rusty
>> on the part that relates to CSS), XSLT, and so on.  Whew.     That
>> oughta keep me out of trouble!
>>
>>>
>>> I want to take Linear Algebra next.
>>
>> Took that.  About 1981.   Haven't used it since.  Nor Calculus or
>> trig.   Dang it.
>>
>> I should take a look at the Drake CS and CIS programs these days, and
>> compare 'em to what the job market's looking for too.   Should be an
>> interesting bit o' research. I got more use out of the CIS courses
>> than I did the CS courses, frankly.   Hmmmm...I wonder if Drake still
>> has a placement office for grads and if they'd still help out an
>> older alum like me.   They placed me with Pioneer Hi-Bred back in
>> ''84.  Pioneer called ME. Pretty nice.   They still court grads, I
>> attended a job fair at the Pioneer campus in Johnston a few months
>> back.
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for joining!
>>>
>>> Carl
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: ciapug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:ciapug-bounces at cialug.org]
>>> On Behalf
>>> Of Bill Davis
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 4:38 PM
>>> To: Central Iowa PHP Users Group
>>> Subject: Re: [ciapug] Hello...and what time is Monday's meeting?
>>>
>>> Thanks  for the welcome and the info, Carl (and also John).
>>>
>>> Good to see someone from Drake!  I'm an alum (BA in Computer  
>>> Science,
>>> 1984) and so is my girlfriend (Masters, 2003) and she used to work
>>> there too (Jolie Prentice).
>>>
>>> Hope to see everyone there tomorrow night.     Is it always the  
>>> first
>>> Monday now, or does it shift around like the web site seems to show?