[ciapug] Zend / MS partnership

[Carl Olsen]

You know, I just got to thinking that the Solaris server is running Apache
2.0.x and I'm running Apache 2.2.x on my Windows machine.  That could
explain the differences.  Like I said, I really have no idea what is going
on.  I just know my Windows version of Apache is more strict than the
Solaris version of Apache as far as how I organize my code.

-----Original Message-----
From: ciapug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:ciapug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf
Of Dave J. Hala Jr.
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 8:05 AM
To: PHP List
Subject: RE: [ciapug] Zend / MS partnership

What changes do you have to make with the "notepad" code to make it run
on windows?

On Thu, 2006-11-02 at 07:57, Carl Olsen wrote:
> ASP.NET is easy to install, Visual Studio is free, and Visual Studio comes
> with a built in web server, just like NetBeans comes with Tomcat built in.
> I removed IIS from my Windows XP machine and installed Apache.  I work
with
> Solaris servers at work, two of them use JSP and Tomcat and two of them
use
> PHP and Apache.  PHP is slightly harder to run on Windows, but any PHP
code
> I write that runs on Windows runs on Solaris.  Sometime the code I write
> using notepad will run just fine on Solaris, but won't run on Windows.  As
> soon as I make the changes it needs for Windows it still runs just fine on
> Solaris.  As far as I can tell, and PHP code you write for Windows will
run
> on Solaris with Apache.
> 
> I think PHP is harder to install because of all the extension libraries.
> ASP.NET comes with all of that stuff already installed, and components can
> be dropped into the bin folder to add functionality.  ASP.NET is nothing
> like ASP.  I agree that Microsoft will probably tell you it's an upgrade,
> but it's more like moving from PHP to Java, only PHP is far superior to
ASP.
> 
> Overall, I find PHP easier to use than ASP.NET or Java.  I also realize
that
> I'm not compiling any of my PHP code, so I'm trading ease of use for
> efficiency.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ciapug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:ciapug-bounces at cialug.org] On
Behalf
> Of Daniel.Juliano at wellsfargo.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 9:18 AM
> To: ciapug at cialug.org
> Subject: RE: [ciapug] Zend / MS partnership
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ciapug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:ciapug-bounces at cialug.org] On
> Behalf Of Carl Olsen
> 
> > PHP is far better than ASP and Microsoft doesn't have 
> > anything like it. Microsoft abandoned ASP and moved to 
> > ASP.NET which is more like Java.  PHP is the easiest 
> > web programming language to set up and use quickly.  
> > I'm not surprised.  This might explain why ASP hasn't 
> > been revised since version 3.
> >
> > Carl
> 
> Just a little zealotry there.
> 
> ASP.Net is the upgrade from ASP.  Microsoft intends for you to code
> using their Visual Studio, which makes assembling web pages as easy as
> using MS Access to build Access front ends, so from their point of view,
> they've made life easier and there's no real 'abandonment' going on.
> 
> Back on a standard install of Win98, you had Personal Web Server (anyone
> remember that?) and could code ASP out of notepad - absolutely free,
> easy as pie to set up, no extra licensing required.  ASP.Net is a bear
> to set up properly (IIS, install the right .Net framework, learn the
> management mmc), while PHP one click installers have made open source
> life a cakewalk.  So perhaps PHP is easier to setup and run nowadays.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ciapug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:ciapug-bounces at cialug.org] On
> Behalf Of Tony Bibbs
> 
> > I'm at the Zend conference as I write this and 
> > they had quite a bit of coverage here about it.
> > There is a set of patches for PHP that are going
> > to be rolled into the codebase that alleviate
> > some of that performance under windows/IIS.
> >
> > I agree with you, run it where it was made to
> > be happy but from Zend's perspective PHP adoption
> > will depend on their ability to run it under IIS
> > for those companies that won't make the jump to *nix.
> >
> > --Tony
> 
> Imagine this scenario: company X (or where I happen to work) runs
> Windows infrastructure only.  Employee "Bob" (or Dan) is hired, and
> happens to know ASP.Net and PHP, and prefers PHP for small projects
> because some of the libraries are superior.  If PHP is performant on IIS
> and supportable by Windows admins (as dubious a title as that is), "Bob"
> has a much greater chance of being able to write PHP.  Furthermore, down
> the road, company X now has the opportunity to switch out the OS to
> *nix.
> 
> So this announcement is a pretty good one, from my point of view.
> 
> =Dan
> 
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