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    <tt>On smaller systems, like when you ssh into a small network
      appliance, vi is always there. If you have to know one, vi is the
      one to know.<br>
      <br>
      Also, just found and started using Snipmate for vim.<br>
      <a
href="http://vimeo.com/3535418?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+xlight_allfeed+%28xLight%E7%9A%84%E5%A4%A7%E6%9D%82%E7%83%A9%29">Video</a>
      1m 40s. It's pretty cool.<br>
      <br>
      To Install:<br>
      <br>
      1) Make a home for VAM:<br>
      $ mkidr -p .vim/vim-addons; cd </tt><tt>.vim/vim-addons</tt><br>
    <tt><br>
      <br>
      2) Download <a
        href="https://github.com/MarcWeber/vim-addon-manager">VAM</a>
      (Vim Addon Manager)<br>
      $ git clone git://github.com/MarcWeber/vim-addon-manager.git<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      3) Create .vimrc if you don't have one. <br>
      I just copied the fedora vimrc template to my home directory and
      made a few modifications.<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      4) Configure VAM to pull down <a
        href="https://github.com/MarcWeber/snipmate.vim">snipmate</a>
      and all dependencies. <br>
      After reading the instructions, it basically boils down to adding
      this to the bottom of .vimrc:<br>
    </tt><tt>===<br>
      " Enable VAM: vim-addon-manager<br>
      set runtimepath+=~/.vim/vim-addons/vim-addon-manager<br>
      <br>
      fun SetupVAM()<br>
          let vam_install_path = expand('$HOME') . '/.vim/vim-addons'<br>
          "exec 'set
      runtimepath+='.vam_install_path.'/vim-addon-manager'<br>
      <br>
          if !isdirectory(vam_install_path.'/vim-addon-manager')
      && 1 == confirm("git clone VAM into
      ".vam_install_path."?","&Y\n&N")<br>
          call confirm("Don't forget to check documentation in
      (README*,doc/*.txt).")<br>
              exec '!p='.shellescape(vam_install_path).';<br>
              mkdir -p "$p" && cd "$p" && git clone
      --depth 1 git://github.com/MarcWeber/vim-addon-manager.git'<br>
          endif<br>
      <br>
      call
      vam#ActivateAddons(["vim-addon-mw-utils","tlib","snipmate","snipmate-snippets","FindInNERDTree"],
      {'auto_install' : 0})<br>
      endf<br>
      <br>
      call SetupVAM()<br>
      ===<br>
      <br>
    </tt><tt>This is the Line </tt><tt>is what tells VAM to download
      which packages:<br>
    </tt><tt>"</tt><tt>call
      vam#ActivateAddons(["vim-addon-mw-utils","tlib","snipmate","snipmate-snippets","FindInNERDTree"],
      {'auto_install' : 0})</tt><tt>"<br>
      <br>
      VAM auto-checks Git Hub for new versions of these packages
      periodically. You can't tell though, it's snappy.<br>
    </tt><tt><br>
      <br>
      5) Open vim and begin work. <br>
      <br>
      It's pretty easy, it supports a lot of languages, and it's only
      for vim. Happy scripting!<br>
      <br>
    </tt>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Talk to you soon,

Todd E Thomas
C: 515.778.6913
"It's a frail music knits the world together."
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    On 11/07/2011 08:01 AM, Tim Wilson wrote:
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAOTOMnY8Dh7uVAEGp7BMNpvrDQ1OaxTZ7rFOhvXVzEDqFBC=Kg@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">Of course vim will win.  They didn't make it a fair
      fight.  The emacs book is more expensive.  Only those true
      die-hard emacs fans will pay the premium price.<br>
      <br>
      Emacs gets a bad rap for loading slowly.  Sure, if you're trying
      to launch the space shuttle from it, it does take a long time. 
      But at least you don't have to waste time getting in and out of
      command mode just to edit a text file.<br>
      <br>
      There are times for both.  I usually use emacs, but there are
      times where I use vi/vim.  My emacs does load a lot of stuff, so
      that I can do a lot more.  So in cases where I need a quick edit,
      I'll use vi.  But I prefer emacs for long edit sessions.  I can do
      WAY more (and faster) in my emacs setup than I can do in my vi
      setup.<br>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 7:21 AM, Josh More
        <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:jmore@starmind.org">jmore@starmind.org</a>></span>
        wrote:<br>
        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
          .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
          Vim will win.  It'll be able to shoot Emacs before Emacs has
          finished loading.<br>
          <br>
          Then, in it's dying breaths, Emacs will attempt to shoot back,
          make a typo and accidentally author a network scanner.<br>
          <br>
          -Josh<br>
          <br>
          <div class="gmail_quote">
            <div>
              <div class="h5">On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 7:18 AM, Matthew
                Nuzum <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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