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<div style="">I understand where you're coming from, and I was probably too flippant in my earlier response.<br>
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Here's the thing. The more things running on a server the greater a chance of compromise. We've all heard for years now that we should only run software on servers if it's entirely necessary. We've all ignored this "best practice" at various times, and some
of us have likely been burned by it.<br>
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The problem is that we're in something of a new age of attacks. We're seeing attackers specifically leverage the tools we use for documentation, specifically PDF readers and web browsers. More disturbingly, we're seeing attacks that specifically target administrative
tools. Sure, webmin attacks are old news, but attacks against syslog servers (that do nothing except execute in pcap parsers when you research what's going on) and the like are on the rise.<br>
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Really, if you need a system with documentation-reading abilities, use a laptop. If you're in a server room, you should be able to plug into a network even if you don't have wifi/cell access.<br>
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The easiest systems to maintain are the simplest systems. Simple systems don't run GUIs. Even Microsoft has (finally) learned this lesson.<br>
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Now, that's not to say that there is no reason to ever run a GUI on a server. If you're running a honey pot, it would be really useful. ;) Also, as has been noted, some distros have a tangled dependency chain, and installing certain apps or libraries may
have GUI requirements that don't really make sense. If you wind up in that situation, it may be a good time to reconsider the distro you're using.<br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 07, 2010 20:09<br>
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<div>makes it easier to google for the solution to the problem you are having while sitting at the console, but I guess the answer to that would be you are connected via ssh from your desktop in your office. - that has a GUI.<br>
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But honestly, I've been in the server room at the console, and was really happy that the machine I was currently working on had firefox for googling, and I didn't have to switch the kvm over to a windows box so I could hit google. xwindows doesn't really slow
the computer down, especially when idle.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 7:44 PM, Josh More <span dir="ltr">
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<div>Servers shouldn't have GUIs.<br>
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Ubuntu has the right idea. (So does SLES, by the way.)<br>
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<div>Last time I installed Ubuntu server, the default install was no GUI. Instead, I installed the "desktop" version of 10.04 and added what I needed with aptitude.<br>
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Its running LAMP + Samba in a production environment.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 6:04 PM, Don Ellis <span dir="ltr">
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Ok, I'm downloading Ubuntu Server, and I'll bring it over tomorrow to<br>
try. (My pipe is bigger than yours. ;-)<br>
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And, it's free (without support contract). I'll look for the Landscape<br>
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On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 5:34 PM, L. V. Lammert <<a href="mailto:lvl@omnitec.net" target="_blank">lvl@omnitec.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> At 05:12 PM 9/7/2010, you wrote:<br>
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>>If I could just humbly suggest Ubuntu 10.04 LTS be considered, it is<br>
>>an enterprise distribution that is supported with security releases<br>
>>and point releases for 5 years. It's cost to license is $0 and if<br>
>>support is needed, Ubuntu Advantage support for server is $320<br>
>>/year. I'm using it on my EFI/GPT macbook pro and it is working fine.<br>
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>><<a href="http://www.canonical.com/enterprise-services/ubuntu-advantage/server" target="_blank">http://www.canonical.com/enterprise-services/ubuntu-advantage/server</a>><a href="http://www.canonical.com/enterprise-services/ubuntu-advantage/server" target="_blank">http://www.canonical.com/enterprise-services/ubuntu-advantage/server</a><br>
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>>The license includes use of the Landscape management console that<br>
>>lets you manage your server through the web, which is pretty slick imho.<br>
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> The cost shows there as $320/yr, .. don't see a free option?<br>
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> Lee<br>
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