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    On 9/7/2010 8:09 PM, Tim Champion wrote:
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      cite="mid:AANLkTinoqKuxAP2PQ3ARXQG9B2h-PEwKKHnFeZ4inwg=@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">makes it easier to google for the solution to the
      problem you are having while sitting at the console, but I guess
      the answer to that would be you are connected via ssh from your
      desktop in your office. - that has a GUI.<br>
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      But honestly, I've been in the server room at the console, and was
      really happy that the machine I was currently working on had
      firefox for googling, and I didn't have to switch the kvm over to
      a windows box so I could hit google.&nbsp; xwindows doesn't really slow
      the computer down, especially when idle.<br>
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      Tim Champion<br>
      <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:timchampion@gmail.com">timchampion@gmail.com</a><br>
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      <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 7:44 PM, Josh More
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        wrote:<br>
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              <div>Servers shouldn't have GUIs.<br>
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                Ubuntu has the right idea.&nbsp; (So does SLES, by the way.)<br>
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                          color="#888888">-Josh More, CISSP, GIAC-GSLC,
                          GIAC-GCIH, RHCE, NCLP<br>
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                    color="#000000" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> <a
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                    behalf of Tim Champion [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:timchampion@gmail.com"
                      target="_blank">timchampion@gmail.com</a>]<br>
                    <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 07, 2010 19:42
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                      <b>To:</b> Central Iowa Linux Users Group<br>
                      <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Cialug] CentOS &amp; GPT<br>
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                    <div>Last time I installed Ubuntu server, the
                      default install was no GUI.&nbsp; Instead, I installed
                      the "desktop" version of 10.04 and added what I
                      needed with aptitude.<br>
                      <br>
                      Its running LAMP + Samba in a production
                      environment.<br>
                      <br clear="all">
                      Tim Champion<br>
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                      <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at
                        6:04 PM, Don Ellis <span dir="ltr">
                          &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:don.ellis@gmail.com"
                            target="_blank">don.ellis@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
                        wrote:<br>
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                          Ok, I'm downloading Ubuntu Server, and I'll
                          bring it over tomorrow to<br>
                          try. (My pipe is bigger than yours. ;-)<br>
                          <br>
                          And, it's free (without support contract).
                          I'll look for the Landscape<br>
                          thingy when I get it.<br>
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                            --Don<br>
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                              On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 5:34 PM, L. V.
                              Lammert &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:lvl@omnitec.net"
                                target="_blank">lvl@omnitec.net</a>&gt;
                              wrote:<br>
                              &gt; At 05:12 PM 9/7/2010, you wrote:<br>
                              &gt;<br>
                              &gt;&gt;If I could just humbly suggest
                              Ubuntu 10.04 LTS be considered, it is<br>
                              &gt;&gt;an enterprise distribution that is
                              supported with security releases<br>
                              &gt;&gt;and point releases for 5 years.
                              It's cost to license is $0 and if<br>
                              &gt;&gt;support is needed, Ubuntu
                              Advantage support for server is $320<br>
                              &gt;&gt;/year. I'm using it on my EFI/GPT
                              macbook pro and it is working fine.<br>
                              &gt;&gt;<br>
                              &gt;&gt;&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.canonical.com/enterprise-services/ubuntu-advantage/server"
                                target="_blank">http://www.canonical.com/enterprise-services/ubuntu-advantage/server</a>&gt;<a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.canonical.com/enterprise-services/ubuntu-advantage/server"
                                target="_blank">http://www.canonical.com/enterprise-services/ubuntu-advantage/server</a><br>
                              &gt;&gt;<br>
                              &gt;&gt;The license includes use of the
                              Landscape management console that<br>
                              &gt;&gt;lets you manage your server
                              through the web, which is pretty slick
                              imho.<br>
                              &gt;<br>
                              &gt; The cost shows there as $320/yr, ..
                              don't see a free option?<br>
                              &gt;<br>
                              &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Lee<br>
                              &gt;<br>
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    I installed gnome on my ubuntu server so that I could use FreeNX,
    anyway. :/&nbsp; Turns out that installing gnome pretty much installs the
    whole desktop experience, including xdm or whatever.<br>
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