Ed, I was talking w/ a friend of mine who works for Wells Fargo, and designs Backup systems for their data centers, and he also helps w/ 4 large data centers and 9 smaller ones. He says he deals w/ petabytes every day now, he has a machine that has 64 GB of ram in it... I'm waiting until the days that we have yottabyte HDDs w/ Petabyte RAM... I just know its coming in the future...<div>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 14:51:04 -0500<br>
From: "Ed Meacham \(@work\)" <<a href="mailto:ed@edmeacham.com">ed@edmeacham.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Cialug] I Remember When Computer Specs<br>
To: "'Central Iowa Linux Users Group'" <<a href="mailto:cialug@cialug.org">cialug@cialug.org</a>><br>
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"What would anyone need that much space for?"<br>
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Solid state drives are getting a bit of steam. Just think-one day we<br>
will/could have solid state Petabyte/Exabyte drives, and x-Terabyte bus<br>
speeds.<br>
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<br>
Any thought on what that much speed + space would be needed for? (aside from<br>
never deleting anything. ever again)<br>
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</Back_to_the_Future_logic><br>
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-emeacham (@work)<br>
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From: <a href="mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org">cialug-bounces@cialug.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org">cialug-bounces@cialug.org</a>] On Behalf<br>
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Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:58 AM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:cialug@cialug.org">cialug@cialug.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Cialug] I Remember When Computer Specs<br>
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I remember that in 2000, I bought a 128MB Flash Drive for $40... Now you can<br>
get like 32 GB ones for that much...<br>
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David Runneals<br>
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I saw a person's Outlook cache file the other day that was 19GB large.<br>
A friend pointed out to me that his first computer (he's a youngin')<br>
had no more than 4GB of hard drive space total.<br>
<br>
You know how people compare memory and hard drive space like that?<br>
They scratch the salt on their shoulder and say <mock deep voice> 'I<br>
remember when computers only came with 500 MB of RAM.' Well, it seems<br>
to me like that can only go so far back. There was a certain point<br>
(the mid 80s?) where there started to emerge a PC standard, in the<br>
form of the "IBM PC compatible". I'm a latecomer to this scene, so<br>
correct me if I'm wrong, but before that time computers were largely<br>
packaged as complete products where you got what you got, and there<br>
were several different types.<br>
<br>
Comparing the amount of RAM in a Commodore 64 to a modern PC doesn't<br>
make sense. The Commodore 64 or others didn't have the same<br>
architecture, they didn't use RAM in the same way. Obviously it's<br>
amazing that we can package several gigs of memory into a single stick<br>
of silicon these days and it's actually affordable. That's clearly<br>
better than we could do in 1985. But there's something not quite<br>
right about comparing them as if there's some linear scale they both<br>
exist on.<br>
<br>
--<br>
Todd<br>
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Message: 5<br>
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:31:23 -0500<br>
From: Matthew Nuzum <<a href="mailto:newz@bearfruit.org">newz@bearfruit.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Cialug] I Remember When Computer Specs<br>
To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group <<a href="mailto:cialug@cialug.org">cialug@cialug.org</a>><br>
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On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Todd Walton <<a href="mailto:tdwalton@gmail.com">tdwalton@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> I saw a person's Outlook cache file the other day that was 19GB large.<br>
> A friend pointed out to me that his first computer (he's a youngin')<br>
> had no more than 4GB of hard drive space total.<br>
><br>
> You know how people compare memory and hard drive space like that?<br>
> They scratch the salt on their shoulder and say <mock deep voice> 'I<br>
> remember when computers only came with 500 MB of RAM.' Well, it seems<br>
> to me like that can only go so far back. There was a certain point<br>
> (the mid 80s?) where there started to emerge a PC standard, in the<br>
> form of the "IBM PC compatible". I'm a latecomer to this scene, so<br>
> correct me if I'm wrong, but before that time computers were largely<br>
> packaged as complete products where you got what you got, and there<br>
> were several different types.<br>
><br>
> Comparing the amount of RAM in a Commodore 64 to a modern PC doesn't<br>
> make sense. The Commodore 64 or others didn't have the same<br>
> architecture, they didn't use RAM in the same way. Obviously it's<br>
> amazing that we can package several gigs of memory into a single stick<br>
> of silicon these days and it's actually affordable. That's clearly<br>
> better than we could do in 1985. But there's something not quite<br>
> right about comparing them as if there's some linear scale they both<br>
> exist on.<br>
><br>
><br>
There are a few important considerations in here.<br>
<br>
1. User productivity - presumably, more powerful computers with more<br>
resources allow computers to do things automatically that make end users<br>
more productive. For example, squigly underlines telling you of spelling<br>
errors as you type replacing a manual "check spelling" button and a dialog<br>
showing each error separately<br>
<br>
2. Developer productivity - early computer software required very careful<br>
resource planning. From the amount of RAM used to the number of floppy disks<br>
required to ship it. Modern computers resources are ample enough that<br>
developers don't have to think about this too much enabling them to bring<br>
software to market more quickly.<br>
<br>
I'm certain older non pc hardware had serious constraints that users thought<br>
about. The old emacs joke says that emacs stands for "eight megs (of ram in<br>
my computer) and constantly swapping" implying that a machine with a<br>
whopping 8 MB of RAM was not enough to get good performance out of emacs.<br>
And you should see the hurdles people jumped in order to accommodate linear<br>
access storage mediums. (yes, I am old enough to have had a computer with a<br>
tape drive as the main storage, but I was only about 8 at the time)<br>
<br>
--<br>
Matthew Nuzum<br>
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, <a href="http://identi.ca" target="_blank">identi.ca</a> and twitter<br>
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"Never stop learning" ?Robert Nuzum (My dad)<br>
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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:42:11 -0500<br>
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Subject: Re: [Cialug] I Remember When Computer Specs<br>
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One of the programs I was assigned to maintain early in my career had a<br>
comment in the front. Requires 64K of main memory - will not run in 32 K.<br>
This was an IBM 370 mainframe program, although the program hasn't been<br>
updated since the 360 era. I just checked and that program is still in use<br>
and it hasn't been updated in 25 years. The comment is still there too.<br>
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My first linear storage was punch tape.<br>
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Murray McKee<br>
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WFFIS - Wells Fargo Financial Information Systems<br>
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Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:31 AM<br>
To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group<br>
Subject: Re: [Cialug] I Remember When Computer Specs<br>
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On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Todd Walton<br>
<<a href="mailto:tdwalton@gmail.com">tdwalton@gmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:tdwalton@gmail.com">tdwalton@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
I saw a person's Outlook cache file the other day that was 19GB large.<br>
A friend pointed out to me that his first computer (he's a youngin')<br>
had no more than 4GB of hard drive space total.<br>
<br>
You know how people compare memory and hard drive space like that?<br>
They scratch the salt on their shoulder and say <mock deep voice> 'I<br>
remember when computers only came with 500 MB of RAM.' Well, it seems<br>
to me like that can only go so far back. There was a certain point<br>
(the mid 80s?) where there started to emerge a PC standard, in the<br>
form of the "IBM PC compatible". I'm a latecomer to this scene, so<br>
correct me if I'm wrong, but before that time computers were largely<br>
packaged as complete products where you got what you got, and there<br>
were several different types.<br>
<br>
Comparing the amount of RAM in a Commodore 64 to a modern PC doesn't<br>
make sense. The Commodore 64 or others didn't have the same<br>
architecture, they didn't use RAM in the same way. Obviously it's<br>
amazing that we can package several gigs of memory into a single stick<br>
of silicon these days and it's actually affordable. That's clearly<br>
better than we could do in 1985. But there's something not quite<br>
right about comparing them as if there's some linear scale they both<br>
exist on.<br>
<br>
There are a few important considerations in here.<br>
<br>
1. User productivity - presumably, more powerful computers with more<br>
resources allow computers to do things automatically that make end users<br>
more productive. For example, squigly underlines telling you of spelling<br>
errors as you type replacing a manual "check spelling" button and a dialog<br>
showing each error separately<br>
<br>
2. Developer productivity - early computer software required very careful<br>
resource planning. From the amount of RAM used to the number of floppy disks<br>
required to ship it. Modern computers resources are ample enough that<br>
developers don't have to think about this too much enabling them to bring<br>
software to market more quickly.<br>
<br>
I'm certain older non pc hardware had serious constraints that users thought<br>
about. The old emacs joke says that emacs stands for "eight megs (of ram in<br>
my computer) and constantly swapping" implying that a machine with a<br>
whopping 8 MB of RAM was not enough to get good performance out of emacs.<br>
And you should see the hurdles people jumped in order to accommodate linear<br>
access storage mediums. (yes, I am old enough to have had a computer with a<br>
tape drive as the main storage, but I was only about 8 at the time)<br>
<br>
--<br>
Matthew Nuzum<br>
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, <a href="http://identi.ca" target="_blank">identi.ca</a><<a href="http://identi.ca" target="_blank">http://identi.ca</a>> and<br>
twitter<br>
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"Never stop learning" -Robert Nuzum (My dad)<br>
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