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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=675341515-21042010><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>By gmail hosting 50% the conversation they effectively
get 100% of the conversation via replies and build a mosaic of who is talking to
who.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=675341515-21042010><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I don't care if my ISP reads my mail, what I don't want is
a mega group like Google to be one-stop-shopping for the NSA, FBI,
what-have-you, for all the conversations going on in the U.S. If the
government is going to eavesdrop and information gather they need to work
for it with things like Carnivore, and whatever the follow-on to that is.
It should not be too easy for them.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=675341515-21042010><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Oh crap that looks like paranoid rambling, the beams must
be penetrating, where'd I put my tinfoil hat?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=675341515-21042010><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>-Nate</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> cialug-bounces@cialug.org
[mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Tim
Wilson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 21, 2010 10:08 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
Central Iowa Linux Users Group<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Cialug] Mailling List
Admin<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>You bring up a good point, however that doesn't fix the perception
that I've read about. I agree with you, but there are people that think
that since Google is scanning e-mail, that itself is an invasion of privacy
because they are "looking" at your e-mail. For some people, it boils
down to do you trust Google when you KNOW they're scanning e-mail, or do you
trust your ISP when you *think* they aren't? Of course, it depends on
the ISP. I'm sure my ISP isn't reading my e-mail, right Dave? :)
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<DIV>Judging by the "Going Google" topic, I'd say there are people who don't
trust Google, even in our educated group, so they will stay as far away from
GMail as they would from Hotmail.</DIV>
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<DIV>Note, I do use GMail; 90% of my e-mail goes through GMail, or Google for
my domain. But I do recognize that there are those who would rather die
than trust "those bastards at Google" just because Google scans e-mails.
Again, that's their perception, even though as you point out, there's
probably layers of security keeping someone from personally reading your
e-mail. At least, e-mail stored on their servers. As the e-mail
flows across the internet, that is another issue.<BR>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Todd Walton <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:tdwalton@gmail.com"
target=_blank>tdwalton@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Tim Wilson <<A
href="mailto:tim_linux@wilson-home.com"
target=_blank>tim_linux@wilson-home.com</A>> wrote:<BR>> There is the
perception that there is less of a "big brother" factor with an<BR>>
ISP.<BR><BR></DIV>Wow. I would so totally perceive just the opposite,
myself. I trust<BR>Google or Yahoo! or even Microsoft (though not far)
to have layers of<BR>big company security and protocol in place to prevent
any sort of<BR>intrusion or invasion of privacy. I do not trust my
local ISP's<BR>admin, who by the way is tasked with doing a lot more and
therefore<BR>has a lot more power, to never take a peek.<BR><BR>But anyway,
the last time I looked at my ISPs email option, they were<BR>just rebranding
Yahoo!, so it was a moot point.<BR><BR>--<BR><FONT
color=#888888>Todd<BR></FONT>
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