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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 4:38 PM, David Bierce <<a
href="mailto:david@bierce.org">david@bierce.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Shorter bills could be a side effect of requiring all members voting on
the bill must be present for an unabridged reading of the bill, before being
eligible to vote.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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I find that a very interesting proposal. Seems like it would help prevent
PATRIOT acts and such. Can anyone think of possible <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>dis</span></b>advantages of it? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>What were you thinking? ;-) <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Requiring legislators to listen to an
unabridged reading of the bill would require them to be in session instead of
spending months raising funds and campaigning for reelection or election to
another office. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Oh, wait a minute. That’s what
we elected them to do.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>In fact, I’d like to require their
presence for the debate over the bill, as well as the reading of it, to be
eligible to vote on it, instead of sitting in their office and dashing in just
in time for the vote. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>In <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Iowa</st1:place></st1:State>
legislators don’t even have to go to their seats and push their voting button
on their desk. They just poke their noses in the back door and signal to
the moderator a thumbs up or down and retire back to what ever they were doing
instead of paying attention to the debate. A loud “door” bell
sounds in the hallways of the capital building to signal that a vote is going
on in one chamber or the other so they know when to take a break from taking a
break and go vote.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I suppose it would be too much to require
them to be awake and paying attention during the debate and reading. (I’ve
seen several legislators playing computer games during debate.)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I would certainly insist that no incumbent
be allowed to campaign while the legislature was in session. In addition
to term limits, that would help tip the scales away from incumbents, or shorten
the legislative season. I would like to see a 2 term limit, no matter now
long your elected term in office, and then you would have to be out of office
for twice as long as you served before you could be reelected again. Even
if you were running for a different office. I believe term limits should
apply at all levels of government, city, county, state, and federal.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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