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<DIV></DIV>Where is the meeting on Wednesday? Visionary?<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message from "Josh More" <morej@alliancetechnologies.net>: -------------- <BR><BR><BR>> You really shouldn't be using SLED10 to host web sites. That's more of <BR>> a <BR>> job of SLES10. I do not think that you will have any issues with <BR>> support <BR>> on SLES10 for what you are looking at. That is, after all, it's <BR>> purpose. <BR>> <BR>> Novell has not yet updated their package list, but I have sent Carl a <BR>> package list that I gleaned from my .iso. If anyone else wants it, <BR>> let <BR>> me know. (I figure that most of the list doesn't need a 1811 line <BR>> text <BR>> file appearing out of the blue. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -- <BR>> -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP <BR>> morej@alliancetechnologies.net <BR>> 515-245-7701 <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> >>> <CARL-OLSEN@MCHSI.COM>07/17
/06 3:03 PM >>> <BR>> I see they have 10 on their website this morning, but when I click on <BR>> the package descriptions for SLED 10, I get the list for Novell Linux <BR>> Desktop 9. The only question I have is what packages are available for <BR>> SLED 10 and whether I can host websites on it like I'm doing with SLP <BR>> 9.3. <BR>> <BR>> -------------- Original message from "Josh More" <BR>> <MOREJ@ALLIANCETECHNOLOGIES.NET>: -------------- <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> > First of all, let me clear up a misunderstanding. *all* versions of <BR>> > SUSE are the <BR>> > "open source" version. They're just not all free. They all contain <BR>> > some <BR>> > closed source software. Here are the differences: <BR>> > <BR>> > 1) OpenSUSE <BR>> > <BR>> > This is a project like Fedora or Ubuntu. It is available, for free, <BR>> to <BR>> > anyone <BR>> > who wishes to download it. If you wish to
pay for it, you can also <BR>> > get <BR>> > Novell support. It tends to have a six month lifetime, after which it <BR>> <BR>> > is replaced <BR>> > by a new minor number. Emphasis is on new and experimentalism. As <BR>> > such, <BR>> > this is best aimed at power users, who can deal with the rough edges <BR>> to <BR>> > get <BR>> > the best tools. When the minor number hits 1, it becomes: <BR>> > <BR>> > 2) SUSE Core <BR>> > <BR>> > This is the base for the other SUSE/Novell Linux versions. It is <BR>> > considered <BR>> > stable, and is supported for 7 years from release. It can be <BR>> > downloaded <BR>> > as part of the products below, for free, as an evaluation. Support <BR>> > costs money. <BR>> > <BR>> > 3) SUSE Linux Enterprise Server (SLES) <BR>> > <BR>> > This is a distribution intended to be used as a server. Emphasis is <BR>> on <BR>&g
t; > security <BR>> > and stability. Versions 9 and 10 are available, based on Core 9, and <BR>> <BR>> > Core 10 <BR>> > respectively. Consider it similar to RHEL in purpose, though somewhat <BR>> <BR>> > different in support and 3rd party apps (like App Armor and full Xen <BR>> <BR>> > support) <BR>> > <BR>> > 4) SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop (SLED except in the Netherlands) <BR>> > <BR>> > This is a distribution intended to be used as a desktop (duh). <BR>> > Emphasis <BR>> > here is on usability. This is the Linux intended to be used by <BR>> "normal <BR>> > people". <BR>> > It has all the glitz and glamor with minimal rough edges. It does <BR>> > *not* have <BR>> > the latest and greatest foo.whatever. Stability still matters. <BR>> > Versions 9 and <BR>> > 10 are available. 9 is intended to be used by call center people, and <BR>> <BR>> > data entry fol
ks. 10 is intended to be used by general office <BR>> > workers. <BR>> > Neither is intended to be used by power users. <BR>> > <BR>> > 5) Open Enterprise Server (OES) <BR>> > <BR>> > This is basically SLES with Novell services. It natively supports <BR>> NSS, <BR>> > iFolder, iPrint, <BR>> > GroupWise, and the standard Novell/Netware fare. It is intended to <BR>> > replace <BR>> > Netware and MS Small Business Server. There a nice new bundle that <BR>> > includes <BR>> > OES, Groupwise, OpenOffice and (optionally) Linux Desktop. This tends <BR>> <BR>> > to be <BR>> > much cheaper per user than MS Small Business Server, and it's all <BR>> open <BR>> > source. <BR>> > (go ahead, get excited now). Currently, it is only available in <BR>> > version 9, but version <BR>> > 10 is expected once SLES 10 stabilizes. <BR>> > <BR>> > 6) Novell Linux Point of Service
(LPOS) <BR>> > <BR>> > This is a version of Linux that runs well on cash registers and like <BR>> <BR>> > machines. <BR>> > It has native hardware support and includes the fancy Java tools that <BR>> <BR>> > this <BR>> > hardware requires. I have very little experience with this other than <BR>> <BR>> > a basic <BR>> > install. I think that only version 9 is currently available. <BR>> > <BR>> > 7) Netware 6.5 <BR>> > <BR>> > What am I doing? Netware isn't Linux! Well, actually, Novell <BR>> > announced <BR>> > that they will support Netware for 13 years (from last March) when it <BR>> <BR>> > is <BR>> > running inside Xen on SLES 10 (and theoretically, all other versions <BR>> of <BR>> > SLES). <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > In general: <BR>> > <BR>> > If you are a hobbiest or hacker, use OpenSUSE <BR>> > If you are in the business world
and need a server, use SLES <BR>> > If you are in the business world and need a desktop, use SLED <BR>> > If you are in the business world and need a one- box- fits- all, use <BR>> OES <BR>> > <BR>> > If you have more questions, feel free to ask me at the LUG meeting on <BR>> <BR>> > Wed. <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > -- <BR>> > - Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP <BR>> > morej@alliancetechnologies.net <BR>> > 515- 245- 7701 <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > >>> "Carl Olsen" 07/16/06 8:56 PM >>> <BR>> > I'd also like to start using Java and JSP, so I'm interested in <BR>> Tomcat <BR>> > as <BR>> > well, but I think this release is going to have Geronimo. What can <BR>> you <BR>> > tell <BR>> > me about Java/JSP support on this new release? <BR>> > <BR>> > ----- Original Message----- <BR>> > From: cial
ug- bounces@cialug.org [mailto:cialug- <BR>> bounces@cialug.org] On <BR>> > Behalf <BR>> > Of Carl Olsen <BR>> > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 8:54 PM <BR>> > To: 'Central Iowa Linux Users Group' <BR>> > Subject: RE: [Cialug] Call for lightning talks - Wednesday <BR>> > <BR>> > I was just about to install SUSE 10.1 (the open source version), but <BR>> <BR>> > when I <BR>> > read your email I decided to wait until tomorrow. What is the <BR>> > difference <BR>> > between the open source version and the SUSE Linux Desktop 10 version <BR>> <BR>> > that <BR>> > is being released tomorrow? I see the price for Novell Linux <BR>> > Enterprise <BR>> > Desktop 9 is around $35 on their web site. I believe you can buy the <BR>> <BR>> > open <BR>> > source version, but the price is actually higher than $35. I don't <BR>> > quite <BR>> > understand the difference. I'm inter
ested in Apache 2, PHP 5, and <BR>> > MySQL 5, <BR>> > and I'm also using PostgreSQL 8 and Mono 1.1. <BR>> > <BR>> > Carl Olsen <BR>> > Web Developer <BR>> > Drake University <BR>> > <BR>> > ----- Original Message----- <BR>> > From: cialug- bounces@cialug.org [mailto:cialug- <BR>> bounces@cialug.org] On <BR>> > Behalf <BR>> > Of Josh More <BR>> > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 1:52 PM <BR>> > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group <BR>> > Subject: [Cialug] Call for lightning talks - Wednesday <BR>> > <BR>> > OK, we have 10- 20 minutes allocated for SFD (in case it runs long). <BR>> <BR>> > <BR>> > This means that we can handle 6- 8 lightning talks. <BR>> > ( http://www.cialug.org/ewiki/?id=Lightning+Talks ) <BR>> > <BR>> > I have signed myself up to give a talk on SUSE Linux Desktop 10, <BR>> which <BR>> > is expected to be released this Monday. <BR>
> > If it doesn't pan out, I'll find something else. <BR>> > <BR>> > If there is a talk you would like to give, sign up at <BR>> > http://www.cialug.org/ewiki/?id=Meeting+Agenda <BR>> > or email me, and I will sign you up myself. <BR>> > <BR>> > Looking forward to seeing everyone on Wed. <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > -- <BR>> > - Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP <BR>> > morej@alliancetechnologies.net <BR>> > 515- 245- 7701 <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > >>> "Kevin C. Smith" 07/16/06 1:46 PM >>> <BR>> > On Sun, 2006- 07- 16 at 13:33 - 0500, Josh More wrote: <BR>> > > According the wiki, our meeting this Wednesday will be focused on <BR>> > > Software Freedom Day. <BR>> > > <BR>> > > My questions: <BR>> > > <BR>> > > 1) Will SFD take up the entire meeting? <BR>> > <BR>> > No. 10 minutes <BR
>> > <BR>> > > 2) If not, does anyone here have a topic that they would like to <BR>> > > present? <BR>> > > 3) Failing that, does anyone here have a topic that they would like <BR>> <BR>> > to <BR>> > > see presented? <BR>> > <BR>> > -- <BR>> > IT is the duty of every man, as far as his ability extends, to detect <BR>> <BR>> > and expose delusion and error. But nature has not given to everyone a <BR>> <BR>> > talent for the purpose; and among those to whom such a talent is <BR>> > given, <BR>> > there is often a want of disposition or of courage to do it. <BR>> > -- Thomas Paine <BR>> > <BR>> > _______________________________________________ <BR>> > Cialug mailing list <BR>> > Cialug@cialug.org <BR>> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug <BR>> > <BR>> > _______________________________________________ <BR>> > Cialug mailing l
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