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<DIV><SPAN class=843325718-07112005>Is one (gnome or KDE) more "free" than the
other?</SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Josh More
[mailto:morej@alliancetechnologies.net] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, November 07,
2005 12:50 PM<BR><B>To:</B> cialug@cialug.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: OT [Cialug]
Time for Suse funeral?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>They chose Gnome over KDE because they own Ximian now. </DIV>
<DIV>Really, they didn't have a choice there. </DIV>
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<DIV><BR><BR><BR>-- <BR>-Josh More, RHCE, CISSP,
NCLP<BR>morej@alliancetechnologies.net<BR>515-245-7701<BR><BR>>>>dave@visionary.com
11/07/05 12:47 pm >>><BR>I find it curious that they chose Gnome over
KDE, when they're<BR>developing a business-oriented distribution.<BR><BR>Gnome
is neat... but IMHO KDE is better suited for a business desktop<BR>environment -
especially if you're coming from a Windows environment.<BR><BR>-dc<BR><BR>Dave
J. Hala Jr. wrote:<BR>>I don't know if I agree about it "being hard to move
dev's from one<BR>>project to another". Maybe it is hard to
do in a larger organization.<BR>>For me, I change projects all the time. Its
kinda like: "Do what pays or<BR>>starve"<BR>><BR>>Its always bumpy
switching to another code base. Somedays I look at some<BR>>of the code I'll
be working on and think I'd rather starve, but thats<BR>>just the way life
is.<BR>><BR>>It seems ironic to use the phrase "Change direction and
focus" But if<BR>>your target moves, you gotta move. I think software
development<BR>>now-a-days is more like dropping laser guided smart bombs.
Pick your<BR>>target, if it moves, adjust. After the big explosion, move on
to the<BR>>next target.<BR>><BR>>:) Dave<BR>><BR>>On Mon,
2005-11-07 at 11:48, Josh More wrote:<BR>><BR>>>I actually brought this
up with one their development directors at the<BR>>>last
conference.<BR>>>I believe I used the phrase "just pick a horse and back
it, already".<BR>>><BR>>>He replied that the reason they don't do
that is that you can't just<BR>>>move<BR>>>devs from one project to
another, and that picking one horse means<BR>>>laying everyone else
off. Apparently things have changed.<BR>>><BR>>>FWIW, I
am running SUSE 10 and find it to quite usable.<BR>>><BR>>>I am also
on the fence regarding the KDE/Gnome thing.<BR>>>My main issue right now
is that I really like konqueror and krename.<BR>>>If, at the next meeting,
someone can show me how to easilly set<BR>>>"open with" and do mass
renaming in a Gnome environment, I would<BR>>>appreciate
it.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>--<BR>>>-Josh
More, RHCE, CISSP,
NCLP<BR>>>morej@alliancetechnologies.net<BR>>>515-245-7701<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>>>>dave@58ghz.net
11/07/05 11:05 am >>><BR>>><BR>>>My experience with Novell,
is that they have always made great<BR>>>products<BR>>>-for Geeks.
(I switched to Linux before Netware 5, so I can't
comment<BR>>>on<BR>>>that one)<BR>>><BR>>>That said, my
main gripe with Novell is that they have never
been<BR>>>really<BR>>>focused. They're all over the
place.<BR>>><BR>>>I was glad to see the move to Linux and granted it
was a bold move,<BR>>>but<BR>>>it made sense. However, they did go
linux and went about ten differant<BR>>>directions at once. I'm glad to
see them have a little tighter focus.<BR>>><BR>>>One could say
Novell went a bunch of differant directions with
Linux,<BR>>>so<BR>>>that they could "see" what was to become a
"viable" component of their<BR>>>business. (I do this alot) However, I
think they worked hard and had a<BR>>>little luck on their side. I really
doubt that it was "planned".<BR>>><BR>>>That said, I'm a little
disappointed to see some of the focus move off<BR>>>of Evolution, but
there a billion things that could be done to improve<BR>>>Gnome, and that
is good thing. (Even though I prefer KDE).<BR>>><BR>>>:)
Dave<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>On Mon, 2005-11-07 at 10:44, David Stout
wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>>For those who are interested this article
explanins the
rumor.<BR>>>><BR>>>>http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1882118,00.asp<BR>>>><BR>>>>Aaron
Jensen <aaron@aaronjensen.net>
wrote:<BR>>>> I wouldn't be getting
too worked up. Looking like the
whole<BR>>>> article was based on
rumor as Novell made an
announcement<BR>>><BR>>>this<BR>>><BR>>>> morning
that the whole article was false. What was
announced<BR>>>> is that they will
be removing KDE and switching to
GNOME.<BR>>>> <BR>>>> Aaron<BR>>>> <BR>>>> On
11/7/05, Lee <leeh@csi-rics.com>
wrote:<BR>>>> If
you read the responses at the bottom of that
page<BR>>>> (assuming
they
can<BR>>>> be
believed). it sounds like author of that
article<BR>>>> may
have
taken<BR>>>> things
out of perspective, to say the
least.<BR>>>> <BR>>>> Anthony
Jeffries
wrote:<BR>>>> <BR>>>> >On
Mon, Nov 07, 2005 at 08:07:52AM -0600, Paul
Gray<BR>>>> wrote:<BR>>>> ><BR>>>> ><BR>>>> >>On
Mon, Nov 07, 2005 at 05:43:53AM -0800,
David<BR>>>> Stout
wrote:<BR>>>> >><BR>>>> >><BR>>>> >>>I
have a newer computer that I was hoping to
load<BR>>>> SuSe
10.0 on. Now what? Any
suggestions?<BR>>>> >>><BR>>>> >>><BR>>>> >>Debian,
of
course.<BR>>>> >><BR>>>> >>Just
trying to
help.<BR>>>> >><BR>>>> >><BR>>>> ><BR>>>> >Along
a similar line (i.e. Debian-like distros),
try<BR>>>> Ubuntu<BR>>>> >(www.ubuntulinux.org).
I'm using that on my
laptop<BR>>>> now.<BR>>>> ><BR>>>> ><BR>>>> ><BR>>>> <BR>>>> <BR>>>> Cialug
mailing
list<BR>>>> Cialug@cialug.org<BR>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug<BR>>>> <BR>>>> <BR>>>> Cialug
mailing
list<BR>>>> Cialug@cialug.org<BR>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>David
Stout<BR>>>>BTS Billing Team<BR>>>>Data Repository &
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