From lvl at omnitec.net  Tue Jan  2 20:26:23 2018
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 14:26:23 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Cialug] Question, ..
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1801021426070.14353@Mail.omnitec.net>

Have a request to try and decompile some firmware to fo repair/rebuilding
purposes, but I have not played at that level for MANY years.

If anyone is reasonably current (e.g. last 10 years - these devices have
been in production for a long time, but still servicable), please ding me
offline.

        Lee


From tdwalton at gmail.com  Wed Jan  3 19:54:18 2018
From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton)
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 13:54:18 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Regular Expression Search & Replace Problem
Message-ID: <CALm_Md-B+ztBx_KsfoFvwJ3K3BKHvoOUAXEQq8=ohhhWoBhsYg@mail.gmail.com>

If I had a text file loaded in an editor with PCRE regular expression
matching, how would I search & replace this:

    Mr.
          John Williams
          Dan Kathney
          Elmo Tickled

    Ms.
          Linda Tenner
          Sam Renkl
          Matilda Geunse

    Dr.
          Andy Hathaway
          Diane Seaton
          Fran Francis

into this?:

    Mr.      John Williams
    Mr.      Dan Kathney
    Mr.      Elmo Tickled

    Ms.      Linda Tenner
    Ms.      Sam Renkl
    Ms.      Matilda Geunse

    Dr.      Andy Hathaway
    Dr.      Diane Seaton
    Dr.      Fran Francis

Note, those are all spaces, and all indents are the same number of spaces.
Also, I don't care about the spacing in the output, just that the titles
end up on the same line as the names.

So if, say, the indents are four and eight spaces, then something like "if
four spaces followed by <title> followed by newline followed by eight
spaces and a <name> then newline, replace it all with <title> space <name>
newline". But you'd have to take account of the multiple name lines below
each title line. Maybe match "four spaces <title> newline eight spaces
<name> newline eight spaces <name> newline eight spaces <name> newline,
replace each occurrence of eight spaces in the match with the <title>".

Or something.

-Todd

From adam at diginc.us  Wed Jan  3 20:16:18 2018
From: adam at diginc.us (Adam Hill)
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2018 20:16:18 +0000
Subject: [Cialug] Regular Expression Search & Replace Problem
In-Reply-To: <CALm_Md-B+ztBx_KsfoFvwJ3K3BKHvoOUAXEQq8=ohhhWoBhsYg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALm_Md-B+ztBx_KsfoFvwJ3K3BKHvoOUAXEQq8=ohhhWoBhsYg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHJ-gaqvH4Mr=NfXdAmSSjMKzv0dzWvZdxz744=AdD5XUdN5Nw@mail.gmail.com>

Multi-line regex are always a pain.  There's probably some linux one liner
that would implement the logic to do this but it'd be more readable in
something like python.

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 1:55 PM Todd Walton <tdwalton at gmail.com> wrote:

> If I had a text file loaded in an editor with PCRE regular expression
> matching, how would I search & replace this:
>
>     Mr.
>           John Williams
>           Dan Kathney
>           Elmo Tickled
>
>     Ms.
>           Linda Tenner
>           Sam Renkl
>           Matilda Geunse
>
>     Dr.
>           Andy Hathaway
>           Diane Seaton
>           Fran Francis
>
> into this?:
>
>     Mr.      John Williams
>     Mr.      Dan Kathney
>     Mr.      Elmo Tickled
>
>     Ms.      Linda Tenner
>     Ms.      Sam Renkl
>     Ms.      Matilda Geunse
>
>     Dr.      Andy Hathaway
>     Dr.      Diane Seaton
>     Dr.      Fran Francis
>
> Note, those are all spaces, and all indents are the same number of spaces.
> Also, I don't care about the spacing in the output, just that the titles
> end up on the same line as the names.
>
> So if, say, the indents are four and eight spaces, then something like "if
> four spaces followed by <title> followed by newline followed by eight
> spaces and a <name> then newline, replace it all with <title> space <name>
> newline". But you'd have to take account of the multiple name lines below
> each title line. Maybe match "four spaces <title> newline eight spaces
> <name> newline eight spaces <name> newline eight spaces <name> newline,
> replace each occurrence of eight spaces in the match with the <title>".
>
> Or something.
>
> -Todd
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>

From Scott at yatesframe.com  Wed Jan  3 20:19:12 2018
From: Scott at yatesframe.com (Scott Yates)
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 14:19:12 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Regular Expression Search & Replace Problem
In-Reply-To: <CAHJ-gaqvH4Mr=NfXdAmSSjMKzv0dzWvZdxz744=AdD5XUdN5Nw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALm_Md-B+ztBx_KsfoFvwJ3K3BKHvoOUAXEQq8=ohhhWoBhsYg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHJ-gaqvH4Mr=NfXdAmSSjMKzv0dzWvZdxz744=AdD5XUdN5Nw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAM_0QiWV8D-MBes0MaZZnyh=X-wtDOb5EWKvXwLC7HGQrJwM0w@mail.gmail.com>

Ya, this seems like something that really is not suited to regex.  I am
sure there is a way to make it work, but it is likely easier with a little
python script.

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 2:16 PM, Adam Hill <adam at diginc.us> wrote:

> Multi-line regex are always a pain.  There's probably some linux one liner
> that would implement the logic to do this but it'd be more readable in
> something like python.
>
> On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 1:55 PM Todd Walton <tdwalton at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > If I had a text file loaded in an editor with PCRE regular expression
> > matching, how would I search & replace this:
> >
> >     Mr.
> >           John Williams
> >           Dan Kathney
> >           Elmo Tickled
> >
> >     Ms.
> >           Linda Tenner
> >           Sam Renkl
> >           Matilda Geunse
> >
> >     Dr.
> >           Andy Hathaway
> >           Diane Seaton
> >           Fran Francis
> >
> > into this?:
> >
> >     Mr.      John Williams
> >     Mr.      Dan Kathney
> >     Mr.      Elmo Tickled
> >
> >     Ms.      Linda Tenner
> >     Ms.      Sam Renkl
> >     Ms.      Matilda Geunse
> >
> >     Dr.      Andy Hathaway
> >     Dr.      Diane Seaton
> >     Dr.      Fran Francis
> >
> > Note, those are all spaces, and all indents are the same number of
> spaces.
> > Also, I don't care about the spacing in the output, just that the titles
> > end up on the same line as the names.
> >
> > So if, say, the indents are four and eight spaces, then something like
> "if
> > four spaces followed by <title> followed by newline followed by eight
> > spaces and a <name> then newline, replace it all with <title> space
> <name>
> > newline". But you'd have to take account of the multiple name lines below
> > each title line. Maybe match "four spaces <title> newline eight spaces
> > <name> newline eight spaces <name> newline eight spaces <name> newline,
> > replace each occurrence of eight spaces in the match with the <title>".
> >
> > Or something.
> >
> > -Todd
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cialug mailing list
> > Cialug at cialug.org
> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>

From zach at kotlarek.com  Thu Jan  4 18:35:30 2018
From: zach at kotlarek.com (Zachary Kotlarek)
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2018 10:35:30 -0800
Subject: [Cialug] Regular Expression Search & Replace Problem
In-Reply-To: <CALm_Md-B+ztBx_KsfoFvwJ3K3BKHvoOUAXEQq8=ohhhWoBhsYg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALm_Md-B+ztBx_KsfoFvwJ3K3BKHvoOUAXEQq8=ohhhWoBhsYg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8397EA32-3CD8-4679-8E21-C8B2C57C852C@kotlarek.com>

On 3 Jan 2018, at 11:54, Todd Walton wrote:

> If I had a text file loaded in an editor with PCRE regular expression
> matching, how would I search & replace this:


You can’t do that in a line-by-line regex. You might be able to do it taking the whole set of lines into a single regex, but it wouldn’t be pretty.

Tools like awk or sed could make this work — they provide enough abstraction to use line-by-line labels while retaining data from previous labels — but I know perl better than awk so I’d do this to get a one-liner:
perl -e 'while (<STDIN>) { if (/^\s*(\w\w\.)\s*$/) { $sal = $1; } elsif (/^\s*$/) { print "\n"; } else { print $sal . $_; } }'

	Zach
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From ehakanduran at gmail.com  Mon Jan  8 21:08:27 2018
From: ehakanduran at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ey=C3=BCp_Hakan_Duran?=)
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 15:08:27 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] request for slack account
Message-ID: <CAHe5-UGdU=5ai7rGceQ74BHGOs_2GsOk8zLxazgMb6sBDVqjWA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear cialug members,

May I request an account for slack? I live in Iowa City and would probably
not be able to come to most of the meetings. I would like to be able to
remotely follow your team though, if possible.

Thanks,

Hakan Duran

From kristau at gmail.com  Mon Jan  8 21:28:27 2018
From: kristau at gmail.com (kristau)
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 15:28:27 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] request for slack account
In-Reply-To: <CAHe5-UGdU=5ai7rGceQ74BHGOs_2GsOk8zLxazgMb6sBDVqjWA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHe5-UGdU=5ai7rGceQ74BHGOs_2GsOk8zLxazgMb6sBDVqjWA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAM+7bFSvZwE9SwXmBzK4bV33CxKQVwMYT8Ok+iv4U_ZpSY8YEg@mail.gmail.com>

I have sent you an invitation, Hakan.

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 3:08 PM, Eyüp Hakan Duran <ehakanduran at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear cialug members,
>
> May I request an account for slack? I live in Iowa City and would probably
> not be able to come to most of the meetings. I would like to be able to
> remotely follow your team though, if possible.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Hakan Duran
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug



-- 
Tired programmer
Coding late into the night
The core dump follows

From ehakanduran at gmail.com  Mon Jan  8 22:19:11 2018
From: ehakanduran at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ey=C3=BCp_Hakan_Duran?=)
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 16:19:11 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] request for slack account
In-Reply-To: <CAM+7bFSvZwE9SwXmBzK4bV33CxKQVwMYT8Ok+iv4U_ZpSY8YEg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHe5-UGdU=5ai7rGceQ74BHGOs_2GsOk8zLxazgMb6sBDVqjWA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAM+7bFSvZwE9SwXmBzK4bV33CxKQVwMYT8Ok+iv4U_ZpSY8YEg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHe5-UE39E4G+5x_to60+Aajmp2X2p4icjG0+DF1UcUG1mUJqg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Kenneth! Just created an account and posted my first message. Good
to be a part of this group.

Hakan

2018-01-08 15:28 GMT-06:00 kristau <kristau at gmail.com>:

> I have sent you an invitation, Hakan.
>
> On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 3:08 PM, Eyüp Hakan Duran <ehakanduran at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Dear cialug members,
> >
> > May I request an account for slack? I live in Iowa City and would
> probably
> > not be able to come to most of the meetings. I would like to be able to
> > remotely follow your team though, if possible.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Hakan Duran
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cialug mailing list
> > Cialug at cialug.org
> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
>
>
> --
> Tired programmer
> Coding late into the night
> The core dump follows
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>

From tdwalton at gmail.com  Mon Jan  8 22:43:04 2018
From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton)
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 16:43:04 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Regular Expression Search & Replace Problem
In-Reply-To: <8397EA32-3CD8-4679-8E21-C8B2C57C852C@kotlarek.com>
References: <CALm_Md-B+ztBx_KsfoFvwJ3K3BKHvoOUAXEQq8=ohhhWoBhsYg@mail.gmail.com>
 <8397EA32-3CD8-4679-8E21-C8B2C57C852C@kotlarek.com>
Message-ID: <CALm_Md8643G47YwiRyZoyCj+1tTOuWE8Qg6FL0ySMfdePSE9vQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 12:35 PM, Zachary Kotlarek <zach at kotlarek.com> wrote:

> You can’t do that in a line-by-line regex. You might be able to do it
> taking the whole set of lines into a single regex, but it wouldn’t be
> pretty.
>

Well, here's ugly!

search: ^(\S+)\s+(\S+\h\S+)\s+(\S+\h\S+)\s+(\S+\h\S+)(?=\n\n)
replace: \1 \2\n\1 \3\n\1 \4

I'd like to make it work no matter how many indented lines there are below
the initial non-indented line. I haven't figured that out.

--
Todd

From jimgkraai at gmail.com  Thu Jan 11 02:03:14 2018
From: jimgkraai at gmail.com (jim kraai)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 20:03:14 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Off topic: Evaluating Cloud Service Providers
In-Reply-To: <CANoA21AuTk8NyX-6zu=iEcv9yVVkY4Nk1XKXSwD7XLE46eBbxA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANoA21AV_euJ0NdDF+wEhnw-SzBSvXX-pbm2Bnxa_O_1oPeU9w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANoA21Bh4AXKH9Lq=a-ygXrmqsPtm8D3nq8u1TyOWyNm-8jf1w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANoA21BPY_9EW1QtqLMSC74G4YDguDX-ngvGPM4FEqcM8eVR8A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANoA21AS=3gcrsmyCPTT5x70vgb_3c1M5jMfdH_oPnWTTS-VsQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANoA21BNfZ+MKQnCrsM-6hQsn4U-qLwfgwOPj0AY0Pnd+R5-xA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANoA21DLJPNp7+LxfbJJaojwmWcqs+a4Keatc0s6XK5CTL4nPw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANoA21B1EQcpxv_FBdQZvTVhiOHqSP1t-vQrCoqv2LLo4dfAPQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANoA21Crf3c1MRMouQQc2KK6QAR8mKuGUS44J8dTu9jeZh57bQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANoA21AuTk8NyX-6zu=iEcv9yVVkY4Nk1XKXSwD7XLE46eBbxA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANoA21Cukigrqz9OF6kuy-pVjNiNRX2ECZp5Md0nKLkX+peYPg@mail.gmail.com>

I just read this article
https://gizmodo.com/whats-slack-doing-with-your-data-1820838887 I want to
put together a list of questions that should be answered before a company
should entrust their data to a third party.  I'm not talking about
individuals.

In broad strokes, what am I missing?

Questions:

Is data encrypted on the servers

Exactly who (roles, groups, etc.) on the cloud side can read what parts
(metadata, history, versions, data) of my data

Is it physically possible for a cloud provider employee go rogue and look
at my data

What countries does my data reside in

For every legal jurisdiction that my data resides in, what are the cloud
provider's legal risks and obligations

What notifications will I receive regarding law enforcement requests for my
data and when

Other than billing for the services, in what ways does the cloud provider
monetize my data

What other companies are given my data and under what circumstances

What are the cloud provider's retention policies after resource (files,
emails, files) deletion

What are the cloud provider's retention policies after contract termination

Has the provider been hacked, in great detail

Can I terminate my contract early with the cloud provider if I learn that
they have not been honest with me in their answers to these questions

From djweis at sjdjweis.com  Thu Jan 11 02:09:37 2018
From: djweis at sjdjweis.com (Dave Weis)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 20:09:37 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Off topic: Evaluating Cloud Service Providers
In-Reply-To: <CANoA21Cukigrqz9OF6kuy-pVjNiNRX2ECZp5Md0nKLkX+peYPg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANoA21AV_euJ0NdDF+wEhnw-SzBSvXX-pbm2Bnxa_O_1oPeU9w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANoA21Bh4AXKH9Lq=a-ygXrmqsPtm8D3nq8u1TyOWyNm-8jf1w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANoA21BPY_9EW1QtqLMSC74G4YDguDX-ngvGPM4FEqcM8eVR8A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANoA21AS=3gcrsmyCPTT5x70vgb_3c1M5jMfdH_oPnWTTS-VsQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANoA21BNfZ+MKQnCrsM-6hQsn4U-qLwfgwOPj0AY0Pnd+R5-xA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANoA21DLJPNp7+LxfbJJaojwmWcqs+a4Keatc0s6XK5CTL4nPw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANoA21B1EQcpxv_FBdQZvTVhiOHqSP1t-vQrCoqv2LLo4dfAPQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANoA21Crf3c1MRMouQQc2KK6QAR8mKuGUS44J8dTu9jeZh57bQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANoA21AuTk8NyX-6zu=iEcv9yVVkY4Nk1XKXSwD7XLE46eBbxA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANoA21Cukigrqz9OF6kuy-pVjNiNRX2ECZp5Md0nKLkX+peYPg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAENx1OtpEOmKov_QPJk6+NPhPW4nAp=JLAKwLFDO6Kk+=Ezw4g@mail.gmail.com>

That's very thorough but unless you're spending ten thousand plus per month
I'm guessing you won't get any replies to your questionnaire.

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:03 PM, jim kraai <jimgkraai at gmail.com> wrote:

> I just read this article
> https://gizmodo.com/whats-slack-doing-with-your-data-1820838887 I want to
> put together a list of questions that should be answered before a company
> should entrust their data to a third party.  I'm not talking about
> individuals.
>
> In broad strokes, what am I missing?
>
> Questions:
>
> Is data encrypted on the servers
>
> Exactly who (roles, groups, etc.) on the cloud side can read what parts
> (metadata, history, versions, data) of my data
>
> Is it physically possible for a cloud provider employee go rogue and look
> at my data
>
> What countries does my data reside in
>
> For every legal jurisdiction that my data resides in, what are the cloud
> provider's legal risks and obligations
>
> What notifications will I receive regarding law enforcement requests for my
> data and when
>
> Other than billing for the services, in what ways does the cloud provider
> monetize my data
>
> What other companies are given my data and under what circumstances
>
> What are the cloud provider's retention policies after resource (files,
> emails, files) deletion
>
> What are the cloud provider's retention policies after contract termination
>
> Has the provider been hacked, in great detail
>
> Can I terminate my contract early with the cloud provider if I learn that
> they have not been honest with me in their answers to these questions
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>

From jmore at starmind.org  Thu Jan 11 02:09:34 2018
From: jmore at starmind.org (Josh More)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 20:09:34 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Off topic: Evaluating Cloud Service Providers
In-Reply-To: <CANoA21Cukigrqz9OF6kuy-pVjNiNRX2ECZp5Md0nKLkX+peYPg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANoA21AV_euJ0NdDF+wEhnw-SzBSvXX-pbm2Bnxa_O_1oPeU9w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANoA21Bh4AXKH9Lq=a-ygXrmqsPtm8D3nq8u1TyOWyNm-8jf1w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANoA21BPY_9EW1QtqLMSC74G4YDguDX-ngvGPM4FEqcM8eVR8A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANoA21AS=3gcrsmyCPTT5x70vgb_3c1M5jMfdH_oPnWTTS-VsQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANoA21BNfZ+MKQnCrsM-6hQsn4U-qLwfgwOPj0AY0Pnd+R5-xA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANoA21DLJPNp7+LxfbJJaojwmWcqs+a4Keatc0s6XK5CTL4nPw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANoA21B1EQcpxv_FBdQZvTVhiOHqSP1t-vQrCoqv2LLo4dfAPQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANoA21Crf3c1MRMouQQc2KK6QAR8mKuGUS44J8dTu9jeZh57bQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANoA21AuTk8NyX-6zu=iEcv9yVVkY4Nk1XKXSwD7XLE46eBbxA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANoA21Cukigrqz9OF6kuy-pVjNiNRX2ECZp5Md0nKLkX+peYPg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3GUt8FcWiYXutUQdcBq23Pp6oCw-35uLCvmCGxMvyFzgupYQ@mail.gmail.com>

There's actually a framework for this exact thing:
https://cloudsecurityalliance.org/download/consensus-assessments-initiative-questionnaire-v3-0-1/

-Josh

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:03 PM, jim kraai <jimgkraai at gmail.com> wrote:

> I just read this article
> https://gizmodo.com/whats-slack-doing-with-your-data-1820838887 I want to
> put together a list of questions that should be answered before a company
> should entrust their data to a third party.  I'm not talking about
> individuals.
>
> In broad strokes, what am I missing?
>
> Questions:
>
> Is data encrypted on the servers
>
> Exactly who (roles, groups, etc.) on the cloud side can read what parts
> (metadata, history, versions, data) of my data
>
> Is it physically possible for a cloud provider employee go rogue and look
> at my data
>
> What countries does my data reside in
>
> For every legal jurisdiction that my data resides in, what are the cloud
> provider's legal risks and obligations
>
> What notifications will I receive regarding law enforcement requests for my
> data and when
>
> Other than billing for the services, in what ways does the cloud provider
> monetize my data
>
> What other companies are given my data and under what circumstances
>
> What are the cloud provider's retention policies after resource (files,
> emails, files) deletion
>
> What are the cloud provider's retention policies after contract termination
>
> Has the provider been hacked, in great detail
>
> Can I terminate my contract early with the cloud provider if I learn that
> they have not been honest with me in their answers to these questions
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>

From jmore at starmind.org  Thu Jan 11 02:30:48 2018
From: jmore at starmind.org (Josh More)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 20:30:48 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Off topic: Evaluating Cloud Service Providers
In-Reply-To: <CAENx1OtpEOmKov_QPJk6+NPhPW4nAp=JLAKwLFDO6Kk+=Ezw4g@mail.gmail.com>
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No, but the questionnaire contains everything that the working group has
discovered in the 5 or so years they've been working on it.  You can always
take a subset of the things you personally care about and craft a much
simpler one.

-Josh

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:09 PM, Dave Weis <djweis at sjdjweis.com> wrote:

> That's very thorough but unless you're spending ten thousand plus per month
> I'm guessing you won't get any replies to your questionnaire.
>
> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:03 PM, jim kraai <jimgkraai at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I just read this article
> > https://gizmodo.com/whats-slack-doing-with-your-data-1820838887 I want
> to
> > put together a list of questions that should be answered before a company
> > should entrust their data to a third party.  I'm not talking about
> > individuals.
> >
> > In broad strokes, what am I missing?
> >
> > Questions:
> >
> > Is data encrypted on the servers
> >
> > Exactly who (roles, groups, etc.) on the cloud side can read what parts
> > (metadata, history, versions, data) of my data
> >
> > Is it physically possible for a cloud provider employee go rogue and look
> > at my data
> >
> > What countries does my data reside in
> >
> > For every legal jurisdiction that my data resides in, what are the cloud
> > provider's legal risks and obligations
> >
> > What notifications will I receive regarding law enforcement requests for
> my
> > data and when
> >
> > Other than billing for the services, in what ways does the cloud provider
> > monetize my data
> >
> > What other companies are given my data and under what circumstances
> >
> > What are the cloud provider's retention policies after resource (files,
> > emails, files) deletion
> >
> > What are the cloud provider's retention policies after contract
> termination
> >
> > Has the provider been hacked, in great detail
> >
> > Can I terminate my contract early with the cloud provider if I learn that
> > they have not been honest with me in their answers to these questions
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From ghelmer at palisadesystems.com  Thu Jan 11 15:05:18 2018
From: ghelmer at palisadesystems.com (Guy Helmer)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 09:05:18 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Off topic: Mac repair?
Message-ID: <20F03C24-81C0-42A5-99D3-FCC82F7C0C66@palisadesystems.com>

Sorry for the fruit-focused question but this is the most technical, regional group I’m in: looking to get a MacBook motherboard repaired (probably a bad SMC chip). Good shops in the area?
Thanks,
Guy

From dchamp1337 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 11 15:12:45 2018
From: dchamp1337 at gmail.com (David Champion)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 09:12:45 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Off topic: Mac repair?
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I don't know of a local shop that does chip level repair like that. You'll
probably need a motherboard replacement.

Guessing John Moder (on this list) may have some resources for you, he's an
Apple consultant, his company is called Crisp.
http://www.crispsolutions.net/

-dc


On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 9:05 AM, Guy Helmer <ghelmer at palisadesystems.com>
wrote:

> Sorry for the fruit-focused question but this is the most technical,
> regional group I’m in: looking to get a MacBook motherboard repaired
> (probably a bad SMC chip). Good shops in the area?
> Thanks,
> Guy
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
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From jmoder at crispsolutions.net  Thu Jan 11 15:22:35 2018
From: jmoder at crispsolutions.net (John Moder)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 15:22:35 +0000
Subject: [Cialug] Off topic: Mac repair?
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Message-ID: <0976D9D3-F8F9-4E14-AF56-3F07A4878F7A@crispsolutions.net>

Thanks for the mention DC.

I don’t really have anyone in town that I would trust.  Depending on age, I usually go through Apple for hardware repair, though they will likely send it to TN,  and they will replace the entire logic board.

If it is of an age where the Apple Store won’t work on it, for most intents the hardware is likely not worth the cost of the repair…

I know there are a couple people in town that service hardware, but they aren’t listed with Apple, nor would I implicitly trust them.  I’d prefer not to mention them on a list, but you can email me direct at jmoder at crispsolutions.net<mailto:jmoder at crispsolutions.net>.

Did you run diagnostics on it?  How did you come to the conclusion it is a bad SMC?


John


On Jan 11, 2018, at 09:12, David Champion <dchamp1337 at gmail.com<mailto:dchamp1337 at gmail.com>> wrote:

I don't know of a local shop that does chip level repair like that. You'll
probably need a motherboard replacement.

Guessing John Moder (on this list) may have some resources for you, he's an
Apple consultant, his company is called Crisp.
http://www.crispsolutions.net/

-dc


On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 9:05 AM, Guy Helmer <ghelmer at palisadesystems.com>
wrote:

Sorry for the fruit-focused question but this is the most technical,
regional group I’m in: looking to get a MacBook motherboard repaired
(probably a bad SMC chip). Good shops in the area?
Thanks,
Guy
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From timchampion at gmail.com  Thu Jan 11 15:50:26 2018
From: timchampion at gmail.com (Tim Champion)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 09:50:26 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Off topic: Mac repair?
In-Reply-To: <0976D9D3-F8F9-4E14-AF56-3F07A4878F7A@crispsolutions.net>
References: <20F03C24-81C0-42A5-99D3-FCC82F7C0C66@palisadesystems.com>
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I've watched this guy's videos on Youtube
https://www.rossmanngroup.com/board-repair/

He will actually fix the board instead of replace it. He's in New York, but
there aren't many people willing to do this kind of work.

Tim Champion
timchampion at gmail.com

On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 9:22 AM, John Moder <jmoder at crispsolutions.net>
wrote:

> Thanks for the mention DC.
>
> I don’t really have anyone in town that I would trust.  Depending on age,
> I usually go through Apple for hardware repair, though they will likely
> send it to TN,  and they will replace the entire logic board.
>
> If it is of an age where the Apple Store won’t work on it, for most
> intents the hardware is likely not worth the cost of the repair…
>
> I know there are a couple people in town that service hardware, but they
> aren’t listed with Apple, nor would I implicitly trust them.  I’d prefer
> not to mention them on a list, but you can email me direct at
> jmoder at crispsolutions.net<mailto:jmoder at crispsolutions.net>.
>
> Did you run diagnostics on it?  How did you come to the conclusion it is a
> bad SMC?
>
>
> John
>
>
> On Jan 11, 2018, at 09:12, David Champion <dchamp1337 at gmail.com<mailto:d
> champ1337 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I don't know of a local shop that does chip level repair like that. You'll
> probably need a motherboard replacement.
>
> Guessing John Moder (on this list) may have some resources for you, he's an
> Apple consultant, his company is called Crisp.
> http://www.crispsolutions.net/
>
> -dc
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 9:05 AM, Guy Helmer <ghelmer at palisadesystems.com>
> wrote:
>
> Sorry for the fruit-focused question but this is the most technical,
> regional group I’m in: looking to get a MacBook motherboard repaired
> (probably a bad SMC chip). Good shops in the area?
> Thanks,
> Guy
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
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From rdjcook at gmail.com  Thu Jan 11 16:08:05 2018
From: rdjcook at gmail.com (Rob Cook)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 16:08:05 +0000
Subject: [Cialug] Off topic: Mac repair?
In-Reply-To: <CAFFaWA=DwjfDxgPTghZP441VffLgqsEpRDMGzKsuFKy=5A1-EQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20F03C24-81C0-42A5-99D3-FCC82F7C0C66@palisadesystems.com>
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Message-ID: <CAB0G93eFh_x_JvuggdJFN0weAm_kxfhdicpRbsdkBWauW5XZyw@mail.gmail.com>

Do your research, if there was a recall on that board. I've had Apple take
care of repairs that were under recall quite a while past the due date.

On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 9:51 AM Tim Champion <timchampion at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've watched this guy's videos on Youtube
> https://www.rossmanngroup.com/board-repair/
>
> He will actually fix the board instead of replace it. He's in New York, but
> there aren't many people willing to do this kind of work.
>
> Tim Champion
> timchampion at gmail.com
>
> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 9:22 AM, John Moder <jmoder at crispsolutions.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the mention DC.
> >
> > I don’t really have anyone in town that I would trust.  Depending on age,
> > I usually go through Apple for hardware repair, though they will likely
> > send it to TN,  and they will replace the entire logic board.
> >
> > If it is of an age where the Apple Store won’t work on it, for most
> > intents the hardware is likely not worth the cost of the repair…
> >
> > I know there are a couple people in town that service hardware, but they
> > aren’t listed with Apple, nor would I implicitly trust them.  I’d prefer
> > not to mention them on a list, but you can email me direct at
> > jmoder at crispsolutions.net<mailto:jmoder at crispsolutions.net>.
> >
> > Did you run diagnostics on it?  How did you come to the conclusion it is
> a
> > bad SMC?
> >
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > On Jan 11, 2018, at 09:12, David Champion <dchamp1337 at gmail.com<mailto:d
> > champ1337 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > I don't know of a local shop that does chip level repair like that.
> You'll
> > probably need a motherboard replacement.
> >
> > Guessing John Moder (on this list) may have some resources for you, he's
> an
> > Apple consultant, his company is called Crisp.
> > http://www.crispsolutions.net/
> >
> > -dc
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 9:05 AM, Guy Helmer <ghelmer at palisadesystems.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > Sorry for the fruit-focused question but this is the most technical,
> > regional group I’m in: looking to get a MacBook motherboard repaired
> > (probably a bad SMC chip). Good shops in the area?
> > Thanks,
> > Guy
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cialug mailing list
> > Cialug at cialug.org
> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cialug mailing list
> > Cialug at cialug.org
> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cialug mailing list
> > Cialug at cialug.org
> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
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From ghelmer at palisadesystems.com  Thu Jan 11 16:36:01 2018
From: ghelmer at palisadesystems.com (Guy Helmer)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 10:36:01 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Off topic: Mac repair?
In-Reply-To: <CAB0G93eFh_x_JvuggdJFN0weAm_kxfhdicpRbsdkBWauW5XZyw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20F03C24-81C0-42A5-99D3-FCC82F7C0C66@palisadesystems.com>
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 <0976D9D3-F8F9-4E14-AF56-3F07A4878F7A@crispsolutions.net>
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I checked recently, and there was a recall (although I wasn’t aware of it during the recall period). Probably worth me taking the time to make an appt with the Apple store to see if they will help without charging $$$$$.

Thanks,
Guy

> On Jan 11, 2018, at 10:08 AM, Rob Cook <rdjcook at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Do your research, if there was a recall on that board. I've had Apple take
> care of repairs that were under recall quite a while past the due date.
> 
> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 9:51 AM Tim Champion <timchampion at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I've watched this guy's videos on Youtube
>> https://www.rossmanngroup.com/board-repair/
>> 
>> He will actually fix the board instead of replace it. He's in New York, but
>> there aren't many people willing to do this kind of work.
>> 
>> Tim Champion
>> timchampion at gmail.com
>> 
>> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 9:22 AM, John Moder <jmoder at crispsolutions.net>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks for the mention DC.
>>> 
>>> I don’t really have anyone in town that I would trust.  Depending on age,
>>> I usually go through Apple for hardware repair, though they will likely
>>> send it to TN,  and they will replace the entire logic board.
>>> 
>>> If it is of an age where the Apple Store won’t work on it, for most
>>> intents the hardware is likely not worth the cost of the repair…
>>> 
>>> I know there are a couple people in town that service hardware, but they
>>> aren’t listed with Apple, nor would I implicitly trust them.  I’d prefer
>>> not to mention them on a list, but you can email me direct at
>>> jmoder at crispsolutions.net<mailto:jmoder at crispsolutions.net>.
>>> 
>>> Did you run diagnostics on it?  How did you come to the conclusion it is
>> a
>>> bad SMC?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 11, 2018, at 09:12, David Champion <dchamp1337 at gmail.com<mailto:d
>>> champ1337 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't know of a local shop that does chip level repair like that.
>> You'll
>>> probably need a motherboard replacement.
>>> 
>>> Guessing John Moder (on this list) may have some resources for you, he's
>> an
>>> Apple consultant, his company is called Crisp.
>>> http://www.crispsolutions.net/
>>> 
>>> -dc
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 9:05 AM, Guy Helmer <ghelmer at palisadesystems.com
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sorry for the fruit-focused question but this is the most technical,
>>> regional group I’m in: looking to get a MacBook motherboard repaired
>>> (probably a bad SMC chip). Good shops in the area?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Guy
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cialug mailing list
>>> Cialug at cialug.org
>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cialug mailing list
>>> Cialug at cialug.org
>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cialug mailing list
>>> Cialug at cialug.org
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>> _______________________________________________
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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Thu Jan 11 17:35:44 2018
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 12:35:44 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Off topic: Mac repair?
In-Reply-To: <D41DA49E-F3EE-4EF2-9DB0-A03C02DFB3B1@palisadesystems.com>
References: <20F03C24-81C0-42A5-99D3-FCC82F7C0C66@palisadesystems.com>
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 <0976D9D3-F8F9-4E14-AF56-3F07A4878F7A@crispsolutions.net>
 <CAFFaWA=DwjfDxgPTghZP441VffLgqsEpRDMGzKsuFKy=5A1-EQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAO8063VxO4a8otvLqRjUvL8T2T4tF1UNR6Rhgwif0UEvAnWLwg@mail.gmail.com>

If you are really nice, contact a local hacker space. If they have a hot
air station it can be done especially if the replacement chip is already
balled. I'd help you out personally with my setup but I am not local enough
to make it worthwhile.

-Will C

On Jan 11, 2018 11:37 AM, "Guy Helmer" <ghelmer at palisadesystems.com> wrote:

> I checked recently, and there was a recall (although I wasn’t aware of it
> during the recall period). Probably worth me taking the time to make an
> appt with the Apple store to see if they will help without charging $$$$$.
>
> Thanks,
> Guy
>
> > On Jan 11, 2018, at 10:08 AM, Rob Cook <rdjcook at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Do your research, if there was a recall on that board. I've had Apple
> take
> > care of repairs that were under recall quite a while past the due date.
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 9:51 AM Tim Champion <timchampion at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I've watched this guy's videos on Youtube
> >> https://www.rossmanngroup.com/board-repair/
> >>
> >> He will actually fix the board instead of replace it. He's in New York,
> but
> >> there aren't many people willing to do this kind of work.
> >>
> >> Tim Champion
> >> timchampion at gmail.com
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 9:22 AM, John Moder <jmoder at crispsolutions.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Thanks for the mention DC.
> >>>
> >>> I don’t really have anyone in town that I would trust.  Depending on
> age,
> >>> I usually go through Apple for hardware repair, though they will likely
> >>> send it to TN,  and they will replace the entire logic board.
> >>>
> >>> If it is of an age where the Apple Store won’t work on it, for most
> >>> intents the hardware is likely not worth the cost of the repair…
> >>>
> >>> I know there are a couple people in town that service hardware, but
> they
> >>> aren’t listed with Apple, nor would I implicitly trust them.  I’d
> prefer
> >>> not to mention them on a list, but you can email me direct at
> >>> jmoder at crispsolutions.net<mailto:jmoder at crispsolutions.net>.
> >>>
> >>> Did you run diagnostics on it?  How did you come to the conclusion it
> is
> >> a
> >>> bad SMC?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> John
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Jan 11, 2018, at 09:12, David Champion <dchamp1337 at gmail.com
> <mailto:d
> >>> champ1337 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I don't know of a local shop that does chip level repair like that.
> >> You'll
> >>> probably need a motherboard replacement.
> >>>
> >>> Guessing John Moder (on this list) may have some resources for you,
> he's
> >> an
> >>> Apple consultant, his company is called Crisp.
> >>> http://www.crispsolutions.net/
> >>>
> >>> -dc
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 9:05 AM, Guy Helmer <
> ghelmer at palisadesystems.com
> >>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Sorry for the fruit-focused question but this is the most technical,
> >>> regional group I’m in: looking to get a MacBook motherboard repaired
> >>> (probably a bad SMC chip). Good shops in the area?
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Guy
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Cialug mailing list
> >>> Cialug at cialug.org
> >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Cialug mailing list
> >>> Cialug at cialug.org
> >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Cialug mailing list
> >>> Cialug at cialug.org
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>

From dchamp1337 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 11 17:53:09 2018
From: dchamp1337 at gmail.com (David Champion)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 11:53:09 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Off topic: Mac repair?
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I'm a member at Area515 http://www.area515.org we do have equipment to do
that.

You will have to get trained on the equipment (for a small donation) and
learn how to do it yourself. If you're not a member you can come during
open house nights, Tuesdays.

We do have a "how to solder" class taught by me, on Saturday 2/3 at 2pm.
Will be covering simple through-hole soldering, not SMD. There has been
talk of doing an advanced SMD class but that hasn't materialized yet.

If you're not an expert at doing SMD repair and troubleshooting
motherboards, I'd be skeptical about replacing a SMD on a laptop
motherboard and coming out with a working unit when you're done. Often if
one component goes bad, it's caused by, or causes cascading issues in other
components.

I've done several laptop motherboard replacements myself on Dell and Lenovo
laptops, you can sometimes find inexpensive motherboards on ebay.
Personally, that's what I would try.

-dc


On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 11:35 AM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:

> If you are really nice, contact a local hacker space. If they have a hot
> air station it can be done especially if the replacement chip is already
> balled. I'd help you out personally with my setup but I am not local enough
> to make it worthwhile.
>
> -Will C
>
> On Jan 11, 2018 11:37 AM, "Guy Helmer" <ghelmer at palisadesystems.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I checked recently, and there was a recall (although I wasn’t aware of it
> > during the recall period). Probably worth me taking the time to make an
> > appt with the Apple store to see if they will help without charging
> $$$$$.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Guy
> >
> > > On Jan 11, 2018, at 10:08 AM, Rob Cook <rdjcook at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Do your research, if there was a recall on that board. I've had Apple
> > take
> > > care of repairs that were under recall quite a while past the due date.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 9:51 AM Tim Champion <timchampion at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> I've watched this guy's videos on Youtube
> > >> https://www.rossmanngroup.com/board-repair/
> > >>
> > >> He will actually fix the board instead of replace it. He's in New
> York,
> > but
> > >> there aren't many people willing to do this kind of work.
> > >>
> > >> Tim Champion
> > >> timchampion at gmail.com
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 9:22 AM, John Moder <
> jmoder at crispsolutions.net>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Thanks for the mention DC.
> > >>>
> > >>> I don’t really have anyone in town that I would trust.  Depending on
> > age,
> > >>> I usually go through Apple for hardware repair, though they will
> likely
> > >>> send it to TN,  and they will replace the entire logic board.
> > >>>
> > >>> If it is of an age where the Apple Store won’t work on it, for most
> > >>> intents the hardware is likely not worth the cost of the repair…
> > >>>
> > >>> I know there are a couple people in town that service hardware, but
> > they
> > >>> aren’t listed with Apple, nor would I implicitly trust them.  I’d
> > prefer
> > >>> not to mention them on a list, but you can email me direct at
> > >>> jmoder at crispsolutions.net<mailto:jmoder at crispsolutions.net>.
> > >>>
> > >>> Did you run diagnostics on it?  How did you come to the conclusion it
> > is
> > >> a
> > >>> bad SMC?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> John
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Jan 11, 2018, at 09:12, David Champion <dchamp1337 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:d
> > >>> champ1337 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> I don't know of a local shop that does chip level repair like that.
> > >> You'll
> > >>> probably need a motherboard replacement.
> > >>>
> > >>> Guessing John Moder (on this list) may have some resources for you,
> > he's
> > >> an
> > >>> Apple consultant, his company is called Crisp.
> > >>> http://www.crispsolutions.net/
> > >>>
> > >>> -dc
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 9:05 AM, Guy Helmer <
> > ghelmer at palisadesystems.com
> > >>>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Sorry for the fruit-focused question but this is the most technical,
> > >>> regional group I’m in: looking to get a MacBook motherboard repaired
> > >>> (probably a bad SMC chip). Good shops in the area?
> > >>> Thanks,
> > >>> Guy
> > >>> _______________________________________________
> > >>> Cialug mailing list
> > >>> Cialug at cialug.org
> > >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> > >>>
> > >>> _______________________________________________
> > >>> Cialug mailing list
> > >>> Cialug at cialug.org
> > >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> > >>>
> > >>> _______________________________________________
> > >>> Cialug mailing list
> > >>> Cialug at cialug.org
> > >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> > >>>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Cialug mailing list
> > >> Cialug at cialug.org
> > >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> > >>
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Cialug mailing list
> > > Cialug at cialug.org
> > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cialug mailing list
> > Cialug at cialug.org
> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> Cialug at cialug.org
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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Thu Jan 11 17:57:55 2018
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 12:57:55 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Off topic: Mac repair?
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Seconded on DC's response on cascading failures.

-Will C

On Jan 11, 2018 12:54 PM, "David Champion" <dchamp1337 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm a member at Area515 http://www.area515.org we do have equipment to do
> that.
>
> You will have to get trained on the equipment (for a small donation) and
> learn how to do it yourself. If you're not a member you can come during
> open house nights, Tuesdays.
>
> We do have a "how to solder" class taught by me, on Saturday 2/3 at 2pm.
> Will be covering simple through-hole soldering, not SMD. There has been
> talk of doing an advanced SMD class but that hasn't materialized yet.
>
> If you're not an expert at doing SMD repair and troubleshooting
> motherboards, I'd be skeptical about replacing a SMD on a laptop
> motherboard and coming out with a working unit when you're done. Often if
> one component goes bad, it's caused by, or causes cascading issues in other
> components.
>
> I've done several laptop motherboard replacements myself on Dell and Lenovo
> laptops, you can sometimes find inexpensive motherboards on ebay.
> Personally, that's what I would try.
>
> -dc
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 11:35 AM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > If you are really nice, contact a local hacker space. If they have a hot
> > air station it can be done especially if the replacement chip is already
> > balled. I'd help you out personally with my setup but I am not local
> enough
> > to make it worthwhile.
> >
> > -Will C
> >
> > On Jan 11, 2018 11:37 AM, "Guy Helmer" <ghelmer at palisadesystems.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I checked recently, and there was a recall (although I wasn’t aware of
> it
> > > during the recall period). Probably worth me taking the time to make an
> > > appt with the Apple store to see if they will help without charging
> > $$$$$.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Guy
> > >
> > > > On Jan 11, 2018, at 10:08 AM, Rob Cook <rdjcook at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Do your research, if there was a recall on that board. I've had Apple
> > > take
> > > > care of repairs that were under recall quite a while past the due
> date.
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 9:51 AM Tim Champion <timchampion at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I've watched this guy's videos on Youtube
> > > >> https://www.rossmanngroup.com/board-repair/
> > > >>
> > > >> He will actually fix the board instead of replace it. He's in New
> > York,
> > > but
> > > >> there aren't many people willing to do this kind of work.
> > > >>
> > > >> Tim Champion
> > > >> timchampion at gmail.com
> > > >>
> > > >> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 9:22 AM, John Moder <
> > jmoder at crispsolutions.net>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Thanks for the mention DC.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I don’t really have anyone in town that I would trust.  Depending
> on
> > > age,
> > > >>> I usually go through Apple for hardware repair, though they will
> > likely
> > > >>> send it to TN,  and they will replace the entire logic board.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> If it is of an age where the Apple Store won’t work on it, for most
> > > >>> intents the hardware is likely not worth the cost of the repair…
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I know there are a couple people in town that service hardware, but
> > > they
> > > >>> aren’t listed with Apple, nor would I implicitly trust them.  I’d
> > > prefer
> > > >>> not to mention them on a list, but you can email me direct at
> > > >>> jmoder at crispsolutions.net<mailto:jmoder at crispsolutions.net>.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Did you run diagnostics on it?  How did you come to the conclusion
> it
> > > is
> > > >> a
> > > >>> bad SMC?
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> John
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Jan 11, 2018, at 09:12, David Champion <dchamp1337 at gmail.com
> > > <mailto:d
> > > >>> champ1337 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I don't know of a local shop that does chip level repair like that.
> > > >> You'll
> > > >>> probably need a motherboard replacement.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Guessing John Moder (on this list) may have some resources for you,
> > > he's
> > > >> an
> > > >>> Apple consultant, his company is called Crisp.
> > > >>> http://www.crispsolutions.net/
> > > >>>
> > > >>> -dc
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 9:05 AM, Guy Helmer <
> > > ghelmer at palisadesystems.com
> > > >>>
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Sorry for the fruit-focused question but this is the most
> technical,
> > > >>> regional group I’m in: looking to get a MacBook motherboard
> repaired
> > > >>> (probably a bad SMC chip). Good shops in the area?
> > > >>> Thanks,
> > > >>> Guy
> > > >>> _______________________________________________
> > > >>> Cialug mailing list
> > > >>> Cialug at cialug.org
> > > >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> > > >>>
> > > >>> _______________________________________________
> > > >>> Cialug mailing list
> > > >>> Cialug at cialug.org
> > > >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> > > >>>
> > > >>> _______________________________________________
> > > >>> Cialug mailing list
> > > >>> Cialug at cialug.org
> > > >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> > > >>>
> > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > >> Cialug mailing list
> > > >> Cialug at cialug.org
> > > >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> > > >>
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Cialug mailing list
> > > > Cialug at cialug.org
> > > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Cialug mailing list
> > > Cialug at cialug.org
> > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cialug mailing list
> > Cialug at cialug.org
> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>

From jimgkraai at gmail.com  Fri Jan 12 16:30:44 2018
From: jimgkraai at gmail.com (jim kraai)
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 10:30:44 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Off topic: Evaluating Cloud Service Providers
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Great answers.  I really appreciate this group

Dave, agreed on the improbability of getting good answers on the cheap

Josh, that's a great resource, no surprise you had that in your quiver

Thank you



On Jan 10, 2018 20:32, "Josh More" <jmore at starmind.org> wrote:

> No, but the questionnaire contains everything that the working group has
> discovered in the 5 or so years they've been working on it.  You can always
> take a subset of the things you personally care about and craft a much
> simpler one.
>
> -Josh
>
> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:09 PM, Dave Weis <djweis at sjdjweis.com> wrote:
>
> > That's very thorough but unless you're spending ten thousand plus per
> month
> > I'm guessing you won't get any replies to your questionnaire.
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:03 PM, jim kraai <jimgkraai at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I just read this article
> > > https://gizmodo.com/whats-slack-doing-with-your-data-1820838887 I want
> > to
> > > put together a list of questions that should be answered before a
> company
> > > should entrust their data to a third party.  I'm not talking about
> > > individuals.
> > >
> > > In broad strokes, what am I missing?
> > >
> > > Questions:
> > >
> > > Is data encrypted on the servers
> > >
> > > Exactly who (roles, groups, etc.) on the cloud side can read what parts
> > > (metadata, history, versions, data) of my data
> > >
> > > Is it physically possible for a cloud provider employee go rogue and
> look
> > > at my data
> > >
> > > What countries does my data reside in
> > >
> > > For every legal jurisdiction that my data resides in, what are the
> cloud
> > > provider's legal risks and obligations
> > >
> > > What notifications will I receive regarding law enforcement requests
> for
> > my
> > > data and when
> > >
> > > Other than billing for the services, in what ways does the cloud
> provider
> > > monetize my data
> > >
> > > What other companies are given my data and under what circumstances
> > >
> > > What are the cloud provider's retention policies after resource (files,
> > > emails, files) deletion
> > >
> > > What are the cloud provider's retention policies after contract
> > termination
> > >
> > > Has the provider been hacked, in great detail
> > >
> > > Can I terminate my contract early with the cloud provider if I learn
> that
> > > they have not been honest with me in their answers to these questions
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Cialug mailing list
> > > Cialug at cialug.org
> > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cialug mailing list
> > Cialug at cialug.org
> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >
> _______________________________________________
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From linux-list at upeke.com  Mon Jan 15 17:11:24 2018
From: linux-list at upeke.com (Andrew Denner)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 11:11:24 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Next Meeting 1/17
Message-ID: <CAGxr9bpiSjuCj4fz5cuRDnwhvrnd98F25xq+uUomF2oiWXpA3Q@mail.gmail.com>

Just a reminder that we will be having our monthly meeting this week.
Presenting will be Sean on "What The File?"

title: "What the File?"
group: "Central Iowa Linux User's Group"
location: "DMACC Ankeny Campus Building 3W, Room 50 "
details_url: "https://www.cialug.org/?page_id=7"
date: "Jan 17"
time: "7:00 - 8:30pm"

From dave at 58ghz.net  Tue Jan 16 15:20:17 2018
From: dave at 58ghz.net (Dave Hala)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 09:20:17 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Chrome 63.x
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What's really interesting about this, is that I downgraded and then renamed
the ChromeUpdate.exe so that it wouldn't update.   It would appear that
Chrome  fixed the updater that I intentionally broke, updated itself and
now it I'm not having the issue... which is really strange, if not a bit
scary.   I poked around in the Chrome change logs and didn't see anything
related to this.    Its a mystery.

:) Dave


On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Scott Yates <Scott at yatesframe.com> wrote:

> Are you sure there is no option to proceed past the ssl issue?  I am on the
> latest version as well, and i can still continue on as before.  Could there
> be a config option that got set on yours that is preventing that?
>
> On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 2:58 PM, Tim Champion <timchampion at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > How about using a free SSL cert that chrome will be happy with?
> >
> > https://letsencrypt.org/
> >
> > Tim Champion
> > timchampion at gmail.com
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 9:20 AM, Josh More <jmore at starmind.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Try mysite-dev.foo
> > >
> > > Wildcards are only intended to match one level of subdomains (though
> > > enforcement of this has been lax).
> > >
> > > -Josh More
> > >
> > > On Dec 19, 2017 08:18, "Dave Hala" <dave at 58ghz.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > mysite.dev.foo    So... *.foo should be ok.   Just to be sure Chrome
> > > wasn't
> > > > doing something funky, I changed it to mysite.home.foo and it didn't
> > make
> > > > any difference.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Adam Hill <adam at diginc.us> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > What is the top level domain?
> > > > >
> > > > > https://ma.ttias.be/chrome-force-dev-domains-https-via-
> > preloaded-hsts/
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 8:43 AM Dave Hala <dave at 58ghz.net> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > This morning Google Chrome (on windows) updated to version 63.x.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My php development workstation is a linux vm and apache uses a
> > > > > self-signed
> > > > > > certificate.  Chrome 63.x is having no part of it, generating
> > invalid
> > > > > > certificate errors. This new version has eliminated the option to
> > > > > proceed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Other than getting a valid certificate, anyone know a way around
> > > this?
> > > > > For
> > > > > > the interim, I down graded to chrome 62.x and then renamed the
> .exe
> > > > > > GoogleUpdate.exe to GoogeUpdate.disabled.exe so that Chrome won't
> > > auto
> > > > > > update.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > :) Dave
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > NIFCAP  -The Premier Client Intake System for Non-Profit
> > > Organizations.
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > Cialug mailing list
> > > > > > Cialug at cialug.org
> > > > > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> > > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Cialug mailing list
> > > > > Cialug at cialug.org
> > > > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > NIFCAP  -The Premier Client Intake System for Non-Profit
> Organizations.
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Cialug mailing list
> > > > Cialug at cialug.org
> > > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> > > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Cialug mailing list
> > > Cialug at cialug.org
> > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cialug mailing list
> > Cialug at cialug.org
> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>



-- 
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From nicolai-cialug at chocolatine.org  Wed Jan 17 05:51:19 2018
From: nicolai-cialug at chocolatine.org (Nicolai)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 05:51:19 +0000
Subject: [Cialug] Encryption for cialug.org
Message-ID: <20180117055119.GA59963@chocolatine.org>

Hey all,

Just wanted to note that the cialug.org website now supports TLS via
letsencrypt.org.  Other services support encryption as well:

1. We've had a DNSCurve resolver since 2012-05-11.  DNSCurve encrypts DNS
queries when possible.

2. We've had TLS for Postfix (the mail server) since 2013-11-08.

3. We've had authoritative DNSCurve for cialug.org since 2017-03-02.  Do:

dig +short ns cialug.org.

There, you see Curve25519 DNSCurve public keys.  Resolvers that do
DNSCurve see these keys and automatically encrypt their queries with
zero extra round trips.

4. And we've had https since 2017-12-17.  That is being done in stages:
first, mixed-content issues needed to be resolved.  Then a 302 redirect
from http to https, then a 301, then HSTS and soon disabling TLS 1.0/1.1.

For more information see:

https://dnscurve.io/
http://www.postfix.org/TLS_README.html

Nicolai

From kristau at gmail.com  Wed Jan 17 13:48:23 2018
From: kristau at gmail.com (kristau)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 07:48:23 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Encryption for cialug.org
In-Reply-To: <20180117055119.GA59963@chocolatine.org>
References: <20180117055119.GA59963@chocolatine.org>
Message-ID: <CAM+7bFQ-4LCgQzJ=+EosReodzR-AnVCX5iU-RDHcd6EJOu-msw@mail.gmail.com>

Many thanks for taking on this project, Nicolai!

On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 11:51 PM, Nicolai
<nicolai-cialug at chocolatine.org> wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> Just wanted to note that the cialug.org website now supports TLS via
> letsencrypt.org.  Other services support encryption as well:
>
> 1. We've had a DNSCurve resolver since 2012-05-11.  DNSCurve encrypts DNS
> queries when possible.
>
> 2. We've had TLS for Postfix (the mail server) since 2013-11-08.
>
> 3. We've had authoritative DNSCurve for cialug.org since 2017-03-02.  Do:
>
> dig +short ns cialug.org.
>
> There, you see Curve25519 DNSCurve public keys.  Resolvers that do
> DNSCurve see these keys and automatically encrypt their queries with
> zero extra round trips.
>
> 4. And we've had https since 2017-12-17.  That is being done in stages:
> first, mixed-content issues needed to be resolved.  Then a 302 redirect
> from http to https, then a 301, then HSTS and soon disabling TLS 1.0/1.1.
>
> For more information see:
>
> https://dnscurve.io/
> http://www.postfix.org/TLS_README.html
>
> Nicolai
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug



-- 
Tired programmer
Coding late into the night
The core dump follows

From nicolai-cialug at chocolatine.org  Wed Jan 17 20:33:50 2018
From: nicolai-cialug at chocolatine.org (Nicolai)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 20:33:50 +0000
Subject: [Cialug] Encryption for cialug.org
In-Reply-To: <CAM+7bFQ-4LCgQzJ=+EosReodzR-AnVCX5iU-RDHcd6EJOu-msw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20180117055119.GA59963@chocolatine.org>
 <CAM+7bFQ-4LCgQzJ=+EosReodzR-AnVCX5iU-RDHcd6EJOu-msw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20180117203350.GA96213@chocolatine.org>

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 07:48:23AM -0600, kristau wrote:
> Many thanks for taking on this project, Nicolai!

No problem, glad to do it!

If anyone wants help deploying TLS or DNSCurve, just ask.

Nicolai

From khamil8686 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 18 14:00:53 2018
From: khamil8686 at gmail.com (Kyle H)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 14:00:53 +0000
Subject: [Cialug] Nerd hangouts?
Message-ID: <CACcwGF64rZnW3ZWSHLvoZiFVJ3LTQwghTS6iK5U_Z=KB1iB+Ng@mail.gmail.com>

Besides the meeting, do cialug members ever get together and do things?
Like nerd out sessions! Lol :) I'd like to join if so! Let me & the rest of
the cialug group know!

Thank you,
Kyle

From dchamp1337 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 18 14:30:31 2018
From: dchamp1337 at gmail.com (David Champion)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 08:30:31 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Nerd hangouts?
In-Reply-To: <CACcwGF64rZnW3ZWSHLvoZiFVJ3LTQwghTS6iK5U_Z=KB1iB+Ng@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACcwGF64rZnW3ZWSHLvoZiFVJ3LTQwghTS6iK5U_Z=KB1iB+Ng@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ7QWVNep1sVFgAT86AOVScKUAJwZjN6SUx_gUVpY8TOshHgvg@mail.gmail.com>

Have you been to the Area515 Maker Space? http://area515.org.

-dc

On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 8:00 AM, Kyle H <khamil8686 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Besides the meeting, do cialug members ever get together and do things?
> Like nerd out sessions! Lol :) I'd like to join if so! Let me & the rest of
> the cialug group know!
>
> Thank you,
> Kyle
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>

From linux-list at upeke.com  Thu Jan 18 15:24:03 2018
From: linux-list at upeke.com (Andrew Denner)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 09:24:03 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Nerd hangouts?
In-Reply-To: <CAJ7QWVNep1sVFgAT86AOVScKUAJwZjN6SUx_gUVpY8TOshHgvg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACcwGF64rZnW3ZWSHLvoZiFVJ3LTQwghTS6iK5U_Z=KB1iB+Ng@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJ7QWVNep1sVFgAT86AOVScKUAJwZjN6SUx_gUVpY8TOshHgvg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGxr9bqwbLhe4WpCjK5_1-4G5veQPQOTj9jgSA4AC2vnL+S9JA@mail.gmail.com>

I would recommend following the inspiration of the shotgun rules of BAD (
https://www.svbug.com/shotgun_rules.txt)  Don't ask, tell us where and when
you will be nerding out and people may come as well to nerdout as well. (If
you nerd it they will come?)

On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 8:30 AM, David Champion <dchamp1337 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Have you been to the Area515 Maker Space? http://area515.org.
>
> -dc
>
> On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 8:00 AM, Kyle H <khamil8686 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Besides the meeting, do cialug members ever get together and do things?
> > Like nerd out sessions! Lol :) I'd like to join if so! Let me & the rest
> of
> > the cialug group know!
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Kyle
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cialug mailing list
> > Cialug at cialug.org
> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>

From sean.r.flattery at gmail.com  Thu Jan 18 15:37:41 2018
From: sean.r.flattery at gmail.com (Sean Flattery)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 09:37:41 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Presentation Slides for WTF (What's that file?)
Message-ID: <CACkf1j_PrS-eJrL8aaQC_S-JS9rG2jKU5NhccLio9wWUv33Sag@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to everyone who came out last night.  Here's a link to the slides.

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1J6P7x_CQd0jiT91vFy-dFddElYKuMTBibykWHcY1nD4/edit?usp=sharing

From timchampion at gmail.com  Thu Jan 18 16:12:08 2018
From: timchampion at gmail.com (Tim Champion)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 10:12:08 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] help with a job search?
Message-ID: <CAFFaWA=g6Z2o2wWHvhY5wFOAsdV7kAUJbJXiL3FZZTh=Ro_=Fg@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone on this list work at (or know someone who works at) John Deere
ISG in Urbandale?

If so, please email me off list.  Thanks.

Tim Champion
timchampion at gmail.com

From icepuck2k at gmail.com  Thu Jan 18 16:21:58 2018
From: icepuck2k at gmail.com (Dan Hockey)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 10:21:58 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] help with a job search?
In-Reply-To: <CAFFaWA=g6Z2o2wWHvhY5wFOAsdV7kAUJbJXiL3FZZTh=Ro_=Fg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFFaWA=g6Z2o2wWHvhY5wFOAsdV7kAUJbJXiL3FZZTh=Ro_=Fg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAfCe6QXbC3EommtCTXG=FBfmm=dGqsYSHfh=Vbos36AcOK8WQ@mail.gmail.com>

The last that knew of there were 2 people at the maker space that worked
for JD. It been a while since I've been there so you might ask over there
on that list.

On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 10:12 AM, Tim Champion <timchampion at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Does anyone on this list work at (or know someone who works at) John Deere
> ISG in Urbandale?
>
> If so, please email me off list.  Thanks.
>
> Tim Champion
> timchampion at gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>

From kobrien at thepalmergroup.com  Fri Jan 19 12:29:16 2018
From: kobrien at thepalmergroup.com (Kristi O'Brien)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 12:29:16 +0000
Subject: [Cialug] Job Opportunities: Cloud Engineer (AWS) & Python Developers
Message-ID: <DM5PR15MB160935B44A204ADDAD0F9E50C2EF0@DM5PR15MB1609.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

We have multiple openings with one of our top clients in the Des Moines area. They offer a fun and challenging environment where you will have the opportunity to work with new technologies and build innovative systems. They are looking for candidates with Linux and strong automation/scripting skills. Note: we also have Python Development openings in the same space. Please message me at kobrien at thepalmergroup.com or call me at 515.225.7000 for more info!



Cloud/DevOps Engineer

Job Duties:

Responsible for infrastructure automation and deployment of new and existing applications

Setting up new and maintaining existing infrastructure in the AWS and/or Google cloud

Collaborate with multiple Scrum teams to drive successful delivery and support of complex software systems



Requirements:

3-5 years of experience as a Linux Engineer with strong scripting/automation skills

Experience with Python, Bash, AWS, Google Cloud, Linux, CloudFormation and Jenkins desired



Contract and Direct Hire openings available. For more information, please call me at 515.225.7000.



Thank you!

Kristi O'Brien
Palmer Group | Senior Account Executive
Central Iowa’s Employment Solution Since 1998
3737 Woodland Avenue | Suite 200 | West Des Moines, IA 50266
515.225.7000 | Fax 515.224.4544

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From khamil8686 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 19 15:23:52 2018
From: khamil8686 at gmail.com (Kyle H)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 15:23:52 +0000
Subject: [Cialug] Fwd: Cialug Digest, Vol 153, Issue 12
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1516363201.4243.cialug@cialug.org>
References: <mailman.1.1516363201.4243.cialug@cialug.org>
Message-ID: <CACcwGF6ajiUejRLaYgC-Y9XtXjeXW9+cSM7HZNgRn=yOqN9FDw@mail.gmail.com>

I don't receive cialug messages when they arrive except for daily digest.
So this is in response to yesterday's emails about cialug hangouts. I've
tried adding myself to the list again but didn't help. I emailed cialug
mailing list owner and i think they tried readding me again based on an
auto email i got and things still aren't working.

I don't have any hangouts set up right now but when i do i can send them
here. Just was looking for nerd hangouts. I'll send out a message of i get
one set up.

Thank you

---------- Forwarded message ---------
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Date: Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 6:00 AM
Subject: Cialug Digest, Vol 153, Issue 12
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Today's Topics:

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   2. Re: Nerd hangouts? (David Champion)
   3. Re: Nerd hangouts? (Andrew Denner)
   4. Presentation Slides for WTF (What's that file?) (Sean Flattery)
   5. help with a job search? (Tim Champion)
   6. Re: help with a job search? (Dan Hockey)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 14:00:53 +0000
From: Kyle H <khamil8686 at gmail.com>
To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group <cialug at cialug.org>
Subject: [Cialug] Nerd hangouts?
Message-ID:
        <CACcwGF64rZnW3ZWSHLvoZiFVJ3LTQwghTS6iK5U_Z=KB1iB+Ng at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

Besides the meeting, do cialug members ever get together and do things?
Like nerd out sessions! Lol :) I'd like to join if so! Let me & the rest of
the cialug group know!

Thank you,
Kyle


------------------------------

Message: 2
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 08:30:31 -0600
From: David Champion <dchamp1337 at gmail.com>
To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group <cialug at cialug.org>
Subject: Re: [Cialug] Nerd hangouts?
Message-ID:
        <CAJ7QWVNep1sVFgAT86AOVScKUAJwZjN6SUx_gUVpY8TOshHgvg at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

Have you been to the Area515 Maker Space? http://area515.org.

-dc

On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 8:00 AM, Kyle H <khamil8686 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Besides the meeting, do cialug members ever get together and do things?
> Like nerd out sessions! Lol :) I'd like to join if so! Let me & the rest
of
> the cialug group know!
>
> Thank you,
> Kyle
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>


------------------------------

Message: 3
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 09:24:03 -0600
From: Andrew Denner <linux-list at upeke.com>
To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group <cialug at cialug.org>
Subject: Re: [Cialug] Nerd hangouts?
Message-ID:
        <CAGxr9bqwbLhe4WpCjK5_1-4G5veQPQOTj9jgSA4AC2vnL+S9JA at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

I would recommend following the inspiration of the shotgun rules of BAD (
https://www.svbug.com/shotgun_rules.txt)  Don't ask, tell us where and when
you will be nerding out and people may come as well to nerdout as well. (If
you nerd it they will come?)

On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 8:30 AM, David Champion <dchamp1337 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Have you been to the Area515 Maker Space? http://area515.org.
>
> -dc
>
> On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 8:00 AM, Kyle H <khamil8686 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Besides the meeting, do cialug members ever get together and do things?
> > Like nerd out sessions! Lol :) I'd like to join if so! Let me & the rest
> of
> > the cialug group know!
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Kyle
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cialug mailing list
> > Cialug at cialug.org
> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>


------------------------------

Message: 4
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 09:37:41 -0600
From: Sean Flattery <sean.r.flattery at gmail.com>
To: cialug at cialug.org
Subject: [Cialug] Presentation Slides for WTF (What's that file?)
Message-ID:
        <CACkf1j_PrS-eJrL8aaQC_S-JS9rG2jKU5NhccLio9wWUv33Sag at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

Thanks to everyone who came out last night.  Here's a link to the slides.

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1J6P7x_CQd0jiT91vFy-dFddElYKuMTBibykWHcY1nD4/edit?usp=sharing


------------------------------

Message: 5
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 10:12:08 -0600
From: Tim Champion <timchampion at gmail.com>
To: cialug <cialug at cialug.org>
Subject: [Cialug] help with a job search?
Message-ID:
        <CAFFaWA=g6Z2o2wWHvhY5wFOAsdV7kAUJbJXiL3FZZTh=Ro_=Fg at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

Does anyone on this list work at (or know someone who works at) John Deere
ISG in Urbandale?

If so, please email me off list.  Thanks.

Tim Champion
timchampion at gmail.com


------------------------------

Message: 6
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 10:21:58 -0600
From: Dan Hockey <icepuck2k at gmail.com>
To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group <cialug at cialug.org>
Subject: Re: [Cialug] help with a job search?
Message-ID:
        <CAAfCe6QXbC3EommtCTXG=FBfmm=dGqsYSHfh=Vbos36AcOK8WQ at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

The last that knew of there were 2 people at the maker space that worked
for JD. It been a while since I've been there so you might ask over there
on that list.

On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 10:12 AM, Tim Champion <timchampion at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Does anyone on this list work at (or know someone who works at) John Deere
> ISG in Urbandale?
>
> If so, please email me off list.  Thanks.
>
> Tim Champion
> timchampion at gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>


------------------------------

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From nicolai-cialug at chocolatine.org  Fri Jan 19 16:06:37 2018
From: nicolai-cialug at chocolatine.org (Nicolai)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 16:06:37 +0000
Subject: [Cialug] Fwd: Cialug Digest, Vol 153, Issue 12
In-Reply-To: <CACcwGF6ajiUejRLaYgC-Y9XtXjeXW9+cSM7HZNgRn=yOqN9FDw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1516363201.4243.cialug@cialug.org>
 <CACcwGF6ajiUejRLaYgC-Y9XtXjeXW9+cSM7HZNgRn=yOqN9FDw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20180119160637.GA93282@chocolatine.org>

On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 03:23:52PM +0000, Kyle H wrote:
> I don't receive cialug messages when they arrive except for daily digest.
> So this is in response to yesterday's emails about cialug hangouts. I've
> tried adding myself to the list again but didn't help.

> I emailed cialug
> mailing list owner and i think they tried readding me again based on an
> auto email i got and things still aren't working.

Hi Kyle,

When did you email owner@?  At a glance I don't see anything from you.

I unchecked digest under your email address in the mailman web interface,
hit submit, and reloaded.  Now it's unchecked.

Did you get this message undigested?

Nicolai

From lvl at omnitec.net  Sun Jan 21 22:13:18 2018
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2018 16:13:18 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Cialug] postfix GUI
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1801211610110.27621@Mail.omnitec.net>

We have used emailserv for some of our email servers in thet past, but
it's getting pretty old (over three years since last update).

Are there any other MySQL based manager systems that can be recommended?

	TIA!

	Lee

From lvl at omnitec.net  Sun Jan 21 22:16:47 2018
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2018 16:16:47 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Cialug] postfix GUI
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1801211610110.27621@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1801211610110.27621@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1801211616140.27621@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Sun, 21 Jan 2018, L. V. Lammert wrote:

> We have used emailserv for some of our email servers in thet past,
> but it's getting pretty old (over three years since last update).
>
Forgot to add - looking at the GUI more for domains/users/... rather than
postfix configuration itself.

	Lee

From matt at itwannabe.com  Thu Jan 25 18:43:13 2018
From: matt at itwannabe.com (Matt Stanton)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 13:43:13 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] postfix GUI
Message-ID: <0c0a54ee-58f5-4a46-90dc-f9e7f67752fb.maildroid@localhost>

I don't know of any GUIs for postfix alone off the top of my head, but I do use iRedMail for my email server.  It combines postfix, dovecot, mysql, and apache under a single web-based GUI.  It handles both administration of users, domains, and administrators using its custom web interface and web-based email account access for users with roundcube.

There is a free, open source community edition option and a commercial version with extra features (like email aliases, which I really wish was available in the free version... I just manually add aliases with mysql on the command line).


-- Matt (N0BOX)
Sent from my android device.

-----Original Message-----
From: "L. V. Lammert" <lvl at omnitec.net>
To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group <cialug at cialug.org>
Sent: Sun, 21 Jan 2018 17:17
Subject: Re: [Cialug] postfix GUI

On Sun, 21 Jan 2018, L. V. Lammert wrote:

> We have used emailserv for some of our email servers in thet past,
> but it's getting pretty old (over three years since last update).
>
Forgot to add - looking at the GUI more for domains/users/... rather than
postfix configuration itself.

	Lee
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Cialug mailing list
Cialug at cialug.org
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From lvl at omnitec.net  Thu Jan 25 18:47:04 2018
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 12:47:04 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Cialug] postfix GUI
In-Reply-To: <0c0a54ee-58f5-4a46-90dc-f9e7f67752fb.maildroid@localhost>
References: <0c0a54ee-58f5-4a46-90dc-f9e7f67752fb.maildroid@localhost>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1801251245460.27621@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Thu, 25 Jan 2018, Matt Stanton wrote:

> There is a free, open source community edition option and a commercial version with extra features (like email aliases, which I really wish was available in the free version... I just manually add aliases with mysql on the command line).
>
Yeah, .. looked at it before but it looked more like cPanel or something
like that - if you want to customize the installation, there is a good
chance of breaking something and, in addition, you are then forking the
control - part UI base system, part custom.

	TFTR, however!

	Lee

From c.rheinherren at gmail.com  Thu Jan 25 18:53:04 2018
From: c.rheinherren at gmail.com (chris rheinherren)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 12:53:04 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] spontaneous reboot
Message-ID: <CAC7WSo+TNQ8FzAaXZvd4h2QJj9j=erYx6TthzzeFA_aeuDXQAA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I have a Ubuntu machine the spontaneously rebooted today. I've hunted
around a little bit in the logs to try to figure out why it happened. No
one was anywhere near the machine today when it happened.

And specific log I should be checking? And what to potentially look for
when I do.


Thanks

Chris

From ampilgrim85 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 25 18:56:47 2018
From: ampilgrim85 at gmail.com (Aaron Pilgrim)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 12:56:47 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] spontaneous reboot
In-Reply-To: <CAC7WSo+TNQ8FzAaXZvd4h2QJj9j=erYx6TthzzeFA_aeuDXQAA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC7WSo+TNQ8FzAaXZvd4h2QJj9j=erYx6TthzzeFA_aeuDXQAA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALCi1aPypPFH_vTB_BkKvHbrt8VeCBZof-So9tNzgXdS9_Lx0g@mail.gmail.com>

Have you applied any recent updates? Heard the Intel microcode pushed out
can cause random reboots.


On Jan 25, 2018 12:54 PM, "chris rheinherren" <c.rheinherren at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have a Ubuntu machine the spontaneously rebooted today. I've hunted
> around a little bit in the logs to try to figure out why it happened. No
> one was anywhere near the machine today when it happened.
>
> And specific log I should be checking? And what to potentially look for
> when I do.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Chris
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>

From jmore at starmind.org  Thu Jan 25 18:59:05 2018
From: jmore at starmind.org (Josh More)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 12:59:05 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] spontaneous reboot
In-Reply-To: <CALCi1aPypPFH_vTB_BkKvHbrt8VeCBZof-So9tNzgXdS9_Lx0g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC7WSo+TNQ8FzAaXZvd4h2QJj9j=erYx6TthzzeFA_aeuDXQAA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALCi1aPypPFH_vTB_BkKvHbrt8VeCBZof-So9tNzgXdS9_Lx0g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3GUt9p-_1FBqLF+zveXg-VfDks24PmVzOKW+o1QaCO-649Zg@mail.gmail.com>

Yep, what Aaron said.

A new microcode came out today that was supposed to undo the previous one,
but I've not personally verified that one yet.

-Josh More

On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 12:56 PM, Aaron Pilgrim <ampilgrim85 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Have you applied any recent updates? Heard the Intel microcode pushed out
> can cause random reboots.
>
>
> On Jan 25, 2018 12:54 PM, "chris rheinherren" <c.rheinherren at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have a Ubuntu machine the spontaneously rebooted today. I've hunted
> > around a little bit in the logs to try to figure out why it happened. No
> > one was anywhere near the machine today when it happened.
> >
> > And specific log I should be checking? And what to potentially look for
> > when I do.
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Chris
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cialug mailing list
> > Cialug at cialug.org
> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>

From c.rheinherren at gmail.com  Fri Jan 26 01:44:32 2018
From: c.rheinherren at gmail.com (chris rheinherren)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 19:44:32 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] spontaneous reboot
In-Reply-To: <CAB3GUt9p-_1FBqLF+zveXg-VfDks24PmVzOKW+o1QaCO-649Zg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC7WSo+TNQ8FzAaXZvd4h2QJj9j=erYx6TthzzeFA_aeuDXQAA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALCi1aPypPFH_vTB_BkKvHbrt8VeCBZof-So9tNzgXdS9_Lx0g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAB3GUt9p-_1FBqLF+zveXg-VfDks24PmVzOKW+o1QaCO-649Zg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAC7WSoKidax6Ngf1HPpGDiVsq5Sk7U3m53LRfivgTRbqPfS7jA@mail.gmail.com>

Turns out it was a power failure that caused the reboot

On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 12:59 PM, Josh More <jmore at starmind.org> wrote:

> Yep, what Aaron said.
>
> A new microcode came out today that was supposed to undo the previous one,
> but I've not personally verified that one yet.
>
> -Josh More
>
> On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 12:56 PM, Aaron Pilgrim <ampilgrim85 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Have you applied any recent updates? Heard the Intel microcode pushed out
> > can cause random reboots.
> >
> >
> > On Jan 25, 2018 12:54 PM, "chris rheinherren" <c.rheinherren at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I have a Ubuntu machine the spontaneously rebooted today. I've hunted
> > > around a little bit in the logs to try to figure out why it happened.
> No
> > > one was anywhere near the machine today when it happened.
> > >
> > > And specific log I should be checking? And what to potentially look for
> > > when I do.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Chris
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Cialug mailing list
> > > Cialug at cialug.org
> > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cialug mailing list
> > Cialug at cialug.org
> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>

From lvl at omnitec.net  Sat Jan 27 21:29:24 2018
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 15:29:24 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Cialug] Network Manager & MAC addresses
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1801271527220.27621@Mail.omnitec.net>

When working with static IPs, it's simple to force a MAC address in the
ifcfg file.

With a WiFi connection, however, Network Manager ignores the config files;
has anyone forces a MAC address with Network Manager?

	TIA!

From khamil8686 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 27 21:31:51 2018
From: khamil8686 at gmail.com (Kyle H)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 21:31:51 +0000
Subject: [Cialug] Network Manager & MAC addresses
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1801271527220.27621@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1801271527220.27621@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <CACcwGF7S_BmqCZ4kZOBnqCc0zuGbFps2uNVKpciU2mwDx52EjA@mail.gmail.com>

Try the nmcli tool yet?

On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 3:30 PM L. V. Lammert <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:

> When working with static IPs, it's simple to force a MAC address in the
> ifcfg file.
>
> With a WiFi connection, however, Network Manager ignores the config files;
> has anyone forces a MAC address with Network Manager?
>
>         TIA!
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>

From lvl at omnitec.net  Sat Jan 27 21:35:02 2018
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 15:35:02 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Cialug] Network Manager & MAC addresses
In-Reply-To: <CACcwGF7S_BmqCZ4kZOBnqCc0zuGbFps2uNVKpciU2mwDx52EjA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1801271527220.27621@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <CACcwGF7S_BmqCZ4kZOBnqCc0zuGbFps2uNVKpciU2mwDx52EjA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1801271534410.27621@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Sat, 27 Jan 2018, Kyle H wrote:

> Try the nmcli tool yet?
>
Did not see any way to change except temporarily, .. pointers?

	Lee

From khamil8686 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 27 21:39:12 2018
From: khamil8686 at gmail.com (Kyle H)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 21:39:12 +0000
Subject: [Cialug] Network Manager & MAC addresses
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1801271534410.27621@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1801271527220.27621@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <CACcwGF7S_BmqCZ4kZOBnqCc0zuGbFps2uNVKpciU2mwDx52EjA@mail.gmail.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1801271534410.27621@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <CACcwGF570iunM_GyEfmm1HiKCd8bfXUWNCkobaAsv8eMQt6=og@mail.gmail.com>

I wasnt aware it was only temporary. I have only used it a little bit to
look at settings. Wanted to suggest in case!
If it's a server though, i wouldn't use it for the overhead. :)

On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 3:35 PM L. V. Lammert <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 27 Jan 2018, Kyle H wrote:
>
> > Try the nmcli tool yet?
> >
> Did not see any way to change except temporarily, .. pointers?
>
>         Lee
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>

From lvl at omnitec.net  Sat Jan 27 21:46:46 2018
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 15:46:46 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Cialug] Network Manager & MAC addresses
In-Reply-To: <CACcwGF570iunM_GyEfmm1HiKCd8bfXUWNCkobaAsv8eMQt6=og@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1801271527220.27621@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <CACcwGF7S_BmqCZ4kZOBnqCc0zuGbFps2uNVKpciU2mwDx52EjA@mail.gmail.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1801271534410.27621@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <CACcwGF570iunM_GyEfmm1HiKCd8bfXUWNCkobaAsv8eMQt6=og@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1801271545160.27621@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Sat, 27 Jan 2018, Kyle H wrote:

> I wasnt aware it was only temporary. I have only used it a little bit
> to look at settings. Wanted to suggest in case!If it's a server though,
> i wouldn't use it for the overhead. :)
>
Definitely not a server, .. need to adjust the MAC on a one of my laptops
and would prefer something simple (if possible) like with a static
interface that can be changed once and it will maintain.

	TFTR!

	Lee

From khamil8686 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 28 00:25:25 2018
From: khamil8686 at gmail.com (Kyle H)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2018 00:25:25 +0000
Subject: [Cialug] Network Manager & MAC addresses
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1801271545160.27621@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1801271527220.27621@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <CACcwGF7S_BmqCZ4kZOBnqCc0zuGbFps2uNVKpciU2mwDx52EjA@mail.gmail.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1801271534410.27621@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <CACcwGF570iunM_GyEfmm1HiKCd8bfXUWNCkobaAsv8eMQt6=og@mail.gmail.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1801271545160.27621@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <CACcwGF4cLyk_YuHbfpK+kLKPRrVRX4fEiudvvJSJywsE42miJw@mail.gmail.com>

I just use the network manager ui then. Should be able to right click your
network icon in the tray and set a mac address through there.

On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 3:47 PM L. V. Lammert <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 27 Jan 2018, Kyle H wrote:
>
> > I wasnt aware it was only temporary. I have only used it a little bit
> > to look at settings. Wanted to suggest in case!If it's a server though,
> > i wouldn't use it for the overhead. :)
> >
> Definitely not a server, .. need to adjust the MAC on a one of my laptops
> and would prefer something simple (if possible) like with a static
> interface that can be changed once and it will maintain.
>
>         TFTR!
>
>         Lee
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>

From tdwalton at gmail.com  Sun Jan 28 04:37:35 2018
From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 22:37:35 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] spontaneous reboot
In-Reply-To: <CAC7WSoKidax6Ngf1HPpGDiVsq5Sk7U3m53LRfivgTRbqPfS7jA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC7WSo+TNQ8FzAaXZvd4h2QJj9j=erYx6TthzzeFA_aeuDXQAA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALCi1aPypPFH_vTB_BkKvHbrt8VeCBZof-So9tNzgXdS9_Lx0g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAB3GUt9p-_1FBqLF+zveXg-VfDks24PmVzOKW+o1QaCO-649Zg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAC7WSoKidax6Ngf1HPpGDiVsq5Sk7U3m53LRfivgTRbqPfS7jA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALm_Md_AS9ne2Ca3m9MmSSm8kHKNmuWnkX7QNdHBLTBGcYJ10A@mail.gmail.com>

On Jan 25, 2018 19:45, "chris rheinherren" <c.rheinherren at gmail.com> wrote:

Turns out it was a power failure that caused the reboot


Nice. So even if you don't do it, *something* will try turning it off and
on again. Must be a cosmic principle.

--
Todd

From lvl at omnitec.net  Sun Jan 28 20:41:21 2018
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2018 14:41:21 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Cialug] Network Manager & MAC addresses
In-Reply-To: <CACcwGF4cLyk_YuHbfpK+kLKPRrVRX4fEiudvvJSJywsE42miJw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1801271527220.27621@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <CACcwGF7S_BmqCZ4kZOBnqCc0zuGbFps2uNVKpciU2mwDx52EjA@mail.gmail.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1801271534410.27621@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <CACcwGF570iunM_GyEfmm1HiKCd8bfXUWNCkobaAsv8eMQt6=og@mail.gmail.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1801271545160.27621@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <CACcwGF4cLyk_YuHbfpK+kLKPRrVRX4fEiudvvJSJywsE42miJw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1801281439570.27621@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Sun, 28 Jan 2018, Kyle H wrote:

> I just use the network manager ui then. Should be able to right click
> yournetwork icon in the tray and set a mac address through there.
>
NM shows the MAC address for wlan0, but it is part of the IF name and any
change made there is neither implemented for the session nor saved.

I DID get macchanger working, but, unfortunately, no permanent solution.

	TFTR!

	Lee

From lvl at omnitec.net  Sun Jan 28 21:08:02 2018
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2018 15:08:02 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Cialug] Message Formatting
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1801281445490.27621@Mail.omnitec.net>

Is there any way to turn OFF HTML formatting of list emails? Having all of
the normal text formatting removed when forwarded makes them a pain to
read.

	Lee

From khamil8686 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 28 22:30:12 2018
From: khamil8686 at gmail.com (Kyle H)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2018 22:30:12 +0000
Subject: [Cialug] Network Manager & MAC addresses
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1801281439570.27621@Mail.omnitec.net>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1801271527220.27621@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <CACcwGF7S_BmqCZ4kZOBnqCc0zuGbFps2uNVKpciU2mwDx52EjA@mail.gmail.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1801271534410.27621@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <CACcwGF570iunM_GyEfmm1HiKCd8bfXUWNCkobaAsv8eMQt6=og@mail.gmail.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1801271545160.27621@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <CACcwGF4cLyk_YuHbfpK+kLKPRrVRX4fEiudvvJSJywsE42miJw@mail.gmail.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1801281439570.27621@Mail.omnitec.net>
Message-ID: <CACcwGF58Zrx0R890vhSkskVOi=W5bnGaQmS4af=QGkH1z05Ufw@mail.gmail.com>

Hmm, has the mac address in the device name? Is udev detecting it strangely
where you need to make a udev rule to create the device in dev?

On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 2:42 PM L. V. Lammert <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 28 Jan 2018, Kyle H wrote:
>
> > I just use the network manager ui then. Should be able to right click
> > yournetwork icon in the tray and set a mac address through there.
> >
> NM shows the MAC address for wlan0, but it is part of the IF name and any
> change made there is neither implemented for the session nor saved.
>
> I DID get macchanger working, but, unfortunately, no permanent solution.
>
>         TFTR!
>
>         Lee
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>

From lvl at omnitec.net  Mon Jan 29 00:13:53 2018
From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2018 18:13:53 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Cialug] Network Manager & MAC addresses
In-Reply-To: <CACcwGF58Zrx0R890vhSkskVOi=W5bnGaQmS4af=QGkH1z05Ufw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1801271527220.27621@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <CACcwGF7S_BmqCZ4kZOBnqCc0zuGbFps2uNVKpciU2mwDx52EjA@mail.gmail.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1801271534410.27621@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <CACcwGF570iunM_GyEfmm1HiKCd8bfXUWNCkobaAsv8eMQt6=og@mail.gmail.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1801271545160.27621@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <CACcwGF4cLyk_YuHbfpK+kLKPRrVRX4fEiudvvJSJywsE42miJw@mail.gmail.com>
 <Pine.BSO.4.53.1801281439570.27621@Mail.omnitec.net>
 <CACcwGF58Zrx0R890vhSkskVOi=W5bnGaQmS4af=QGkH1z05Ufw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1801281812130.27621@Mail.omnitec.net>

On Sun, 28 Jan 2018, Kyle H wrote:

> Hmm, has the mac address in the device name?
>
It is in the Network Manager UI - it is editable in the UI but changes are
not processed.

> Is udev detecting it strangelywhere you need to make a udev rule to
> create the device in dev?
>
Interesting, might have to look at that; that was required to bind the
correct IP with two USB IFs.

	Thanks!

	Lee

PS - This email looks SOO nice before it's mangled, .. <g>!!