[Cialug] In-home music - SOLVED

Theron Conrey theron at conrey.org
Wed Mar 5 18:16:22 CST 2014 

I would not mind at all. :) I had a series of posts with all configs and notes at conrey.org but the whole site is down getting a facelift.  I'll email out when it's back up.

-theron

> On Mar 5, 2014, at 5:04 PM, Scott Yates <Scott at yatesframe.com> wrote:
> 
> Theron:  Would you mind sharing the configs for your setup?  I gave up on
> dlna as it just did not work with most players (ps3, etc) or required a
> crapton of cpu to re-encode on the fly (plex).
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Theron Conrey <theron at conrey.org> wrote:
>> 
>> The pausing/slow bits of video playback is what really had me working to
>> fine tune the ffmpeg settings.  Finally got it down where multi-hour videos
>> wouldn't pause and streamed quickly.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Josh More <jmore at starmind.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Nah, I don't care much about video streaming. Most video is just too slow
>>> for me to care about enough to actually watch, and for stuff that just
>> runs
>>> in the background, I'm good with my popcorn hour box as is.
>>> 
>>> -Josh
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Theron Conrey <theron at conrey.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I must have missed the initial thread.  I like your solution and ended
>> up
>>>> settling on the same protocol, as it worked with my TV, an apple TV
>>>> (jailbroken with XBMC), my receiver, an XBOX 360, and a few other UPnP
>>>> compatible devices floating around the house.  UPnP is pretty amazing
>> at
>>>> this, for me the hardest part was finding the server side piece that
>>> would
>>>> be reliable followed closely by figuring out what codecs worked for
>> what
>>>> devices.  For audio everything streams fine to the receivers and TVs as
>>>> needed.  Server side I tried a number of UPnP/DLNA servers and settled
>>> for
>>>> things I could control and manage easiest.  I tried plex and a few
>> others
>>>> but ended up with gmediastreamer (
>>> http://www.gnu.org/software/gmediaserver
>>>> )
>>>> and minidlna (http://sourceforge.net/projects/minidlna/).  Both are
>>> solid,
>>>> but I've been running with my minidlna config for some time.  The only
>>>> problem I ran into with simpler servers was a pre serve ffmpeg script
>>> that
>>>> converts everything to a format that works for all of my video clients.
>>> I
>>>> ran into this because the VIZIO tv I've got has a crappy native client.
>>>> Have you started playing with video streaming yet?
>>>> 
>>>> -theron
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 4:54 PM, Josh More <jmore at starmind.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yeah, they're expandable, stable and have a great interface.
>>>>> 
>>>>> They also make it really easy for people to do really stupid things
>>> with
>>>>> them.  Just had a conversation with a client about how it's probably
>>> not
>>>> a
>>>>> good idea to use their internal secure data store to host an FTP site
>>> for
>>>>> their clients.
>>>>> 
>>>>> "Just because you can doesn't mean you should."
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Josh
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 4:47 PM, David Champion <dchamp1337 at gmail.com
>>> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I like the Synology NAS boxes, they're pretty slick.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> They have a ton of optional features... even though I wouldn't use
>> a
>>>> lot
>>>>> of
>>>>>> them (i.e. run a Wordpress site on it?).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -dc
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Josh More <jmore at starmind.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It was an Amazon Gold Box special.  :)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I did zero research.  I saw a bluetooth audio receiver for $20
>> and
>>>>>> thought
>>>>>>> "why not?"
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I do not transmit with it, I use it in receive mode only.  It is
>>>>> cheaply
>>>>>>> made, the instructions are crap, and mine has two buttons labled
>> RX
>>>>> even
>>>>>>> though one of them is TX.  However, for my needs, it works
>>> perfectly.
>>>>> I
>>>>>>> listened to it for 12 hours yesterday with no drops or
>> stuttering.
>>>> The
>>>>>>> only problem is when my tablet generates an alert, the sound
>> volume
>>>>> dips
>>>>>>> for half a second.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -Josh
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Don Cady <doncady at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Ok, why did you choose the Miccus? Do you transmit with it
>> also,
>>>> was
>>>>> it
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> range, or the recommendation of someone?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Don
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 8:29 AM, Josh More <jmore at starmind.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Quite some time ago, I had a thread about streaming music in
>>> the
>>>>>> house.
>>>>>>>>> Before that time, I was using LTSP.  It's advantages were
>> that
>>> it
>>>>>> used
>>>>>>>>> diskless workstations that did PXE booting so I could play
>>>>> everything
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> XMMS with a dedicated interface.  It failed as my music
>>>> collection
>>>>>> grew
>>>>>>>>> larger, I increasingly wanted to spend time on systems that
>>>> lacked
>>>>>> easy
>>>>>>>> GUI
>>>>>>>>> access and moved to a house where most of it was connected
>> via
>>>>> WiFi.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> You guys suggested a lot of things, which all failed due to
>>> cost,
>>>>>> lack
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> shuffle support (I did have a kludgey Perl script that
>>> randomized
>>>>>>>>> playlists, but, well, kludgey).  Plex was the most promising,
>>>> but I
>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>>>> could get it to index all my files properly.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Finally, today, I think I found something that works.  In the
>>>>>> interest
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> closing the loop, here's what I'm doing:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> My core system is a Synology NAS.  It is running the Media
>>> Server
>>>>> app
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> configured to index the entire Audio folder.  Each stereo in
>> my
>>>>> house
>>>>>>>> has a
>>>>>>>>> Miccus Home RTX bluetooth receiver attached to it. I've
>> paired
>>>> each
>>>>>>>> Miccus
>>>>>>>>> to a different Android device.  Each Android device has
>>>> BubbleUPnP
>>>>>>>>> installed.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The app not only allows me to stream from each device to it's
>>>>> paired
>>>>>>>>> receiver, but also (under limited testing) to any other
>>>> BubbleUPnP
>>>>>>>> instance
>>>>>>>>> on the network.  It gives me shuffle, zero additional fan
>> noise
>>>> in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> room(s) and the ability to control what's going on in every
>>> room
>>>> in
>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>> house. Also, unlike when I tried adding my Windows and OSX
>>>> systems
>>>>> to
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> mix, there have been no skips at all.  Apparently an NVIDIA
>>>> Tegra 3
>>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>>>> Android has more resources than an Intel Core i5-4200U
>> running
>>>>>> Windows
>>>>>>>>> 8.1.  Can't say I'm shocked.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Total cost for the audio side of things is less than $200.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -Josh
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