From dave at dchamp.net  Fri May  1 00:36:04 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 00:36:04 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Linux on PS2/3
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4080904301952hd2d66q1d9d5dec4515d1a2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <050120090216.6508.49FA5B8F0003A5E60000196C223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A02070E03990104@mchsi.com>
	<f3c0b4080904301952hd2d66q1d9d5dec4515d1a2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49FA8A44.7090908@dchamp.net>

Matthew Nuzum wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Randle Boyd <lowmaine at mchsi.com> wrote:
>   
>> Is anyone running Linx on a Play Station 2 or 3?  If so, how is the
>> performance?
>>
>>     
>
> Some of my co-workers have run Linux on the PS3. They say the cell
> processor is not optimized for desktop use and are disappointed with
> the performance.
>
>   
I ran it some when I first got my PS3, it wasn't too exciting. The 
biggest problems I had with it were the lack of memory (256mb usable) 
and the GPU is crippled by the hypervisor so you can't use 3D acceleration.

If you gave it enough memory, and unlocked the GPU, it would run fine. 
There are Cell based workstations available that don't have those 
limitations.

-dc


From chapinjeff at gmail.com  Fri May  1 08:18:34 2009
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 08:18:34 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Linux on PS2/3
In-Reply-To: <49FA8A44.7090908@dchamp.net>
References: <050120090216.6508.49FA5B8F0003A5E60000196C223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A02070E03990104@mchsi.com>
	<f3c0b4080904301952hd2d66q1d9d5dec4515d1a2@mail.gmail.com>
	<49FA8A44.7090908@dchamp.net>
Message-ID: <c425eb250905010618ocd40dbdsd68e4c7cbaa65175@mail.gmail.com>

I installed yellow dog on my ps3 and it worked pretty good. Support for the
wireless controllers pretty much out of the box, and it ran my SNES emulater
pretty well. I was not able to get sound working, but granted, I spent all
of 20 minutes on it.

It was simple, other than having to boot back and forth, but it was more
effort than it was worth, once I got DLNA running from inside the sony OS.

On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 12:36 AM, David Champion <dave at dchamp.net> wrote:

> Matthew Nuzum wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Randle Boyd <lowmaine at mchsi.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Is anyone running Linx on a Play Station 2 or 3?  If so, how is the
> >> performance?
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Some of my co-workers have run Linux on the PS3. They say the cell
> > processor is not optimized for desktop use and are disappointed with
> > the performance.
> >
> >
> I ran it some when I first got my PS3, it wasn't too exciting. The
> biggest problems I had with it were the lack of memory (256mb usable)
> and the GPU is crippled by the hypervisor so you can't use 3D acceleration.
>
> If you gave it enough memory, and unlocked the GPU, it would run fine.
> There are Cell based workstations available that don't have those
> limitations.
>
> -dc
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>



-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired
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From daniel.ramaley at drake.edu  Fri May  1 08:41:05 2009
From: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu (Daniel A. Ramaley)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 08:41:05 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Linux on PS2/3
In-Reply-To: <050120090216.6508.49FA5B8F0003A5E60000196C223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A02070E03990104@mchsi.com>
References: <050120090216.6508.49FA5B8F0003A5E60000196C223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A02070E03990104@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <200905010841.05478.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>

On 2009-04-30 at 21:16:47, Randle Boyd wrote:
>Is anyone running Linx on a Play Station 2 or 3?  If so, how is the
> performance?

I have the Linux kit for PlayStation 2. I played with it a little bit, 
but quickly decided it was a waste of my money. The PS2 just has too 
little memory to be a useful computer. And the Linux that came with it 
was based off a Red Hat that at the time was already ancient. Basically 
the experience of running Linux was somewhat underwhelming.

If Debian supported PS2, i'd probably put that on there just for the fun 
of it. There is a mini-Debian fork "BlackRhino" that is for PS2, but it 
is from 2003.

I imagine that if someone wanted to learn about packaging a Linux 
distro, building something based on current software for the PS2 might 
be a good way to learn.

At one time i also had Linux running on my DreamCast. To make that 
happen i got to learn how to build a cross compiler. Circa 2002 when i 
was working on that, getting Linux running on DreamCast wasn't easy. I 
think i got up to the point of having a bootable CD that had BusyBox 
and a few other small applications installed. It was marginally useful, 
but with no read-write local storage required mounting storage over the 
network. And as with PS2, the machine had very small RAM that made it 
less useful as a general-purpose computer than it could have been.

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Dan Ramaley                            Dial Center 118, Drake University
Network Programmer/Analyst             2407 Carpenter Ave
+1 515 271-4540                        Des Moines IA 50311 USA

From daniel.ramaley at drake.edu  Fri May  1 09:17:12 2009
From: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu (Daniel A. Ramaley)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 09:17:12 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Free junk
Message-ID: <200905010917.12147.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>

The following items will be given away on a "first to lug it away" 
basis. If you are interested in anything, please e-mail me off-list or 
call my work number (listed in the signature). All hard drives have 
been wiped. The servers don't come with any documentation, though i 
know they will run Linux (i used Debian to wipe the drives). To get 
them working properly with more than a handful of drives, at minimum 
you'll have to track down the RAID configuration utility and 
reconfigure the on-board RAID. We no longer have that utility, 
unfortunately.

I recall someone a few months back taking an old AlphaServer (4100?). At 
the time i pulled all the drives since we didn't have time to wipe 
them. They've been wiped now, so if you want the drives to that server 
please let me know.


HP 4500 color laser printer with spare green & magenta toners

Vax 4600 (also known as 4000-600) with 4 drives and lots of cards plus 7 
drives external.

AlphaServer 4100

AlphaServer 2100 4/233 with 15 hard drives, 2040 DLT tape drive, SCSI 
CD-R drive.

AlphaServer 2100 4/233 with fewer drives

Spare drives (with caddies) for the AlphaServers

Printronix 1200 line-per-minute printer

LG08 600 line-per-minute printer

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Dan Ramaley                            Dial Center 118, Drake University
Network Programmer/Analyst             2407 Carpenter Ave
+1 515 271-4540                        Des Moines IA 50311 USA

From dave at dchamp.net  Fri May  1 09:55:14 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 09:55:14 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Free junk
In-Reply-To: <200905010917.12147.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
References: <200905010917.12147.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
Message-ID: <49FB0D52.4040408@dchamp.net>

Daniel A. Ramaley wrote:
> Printronix 1200 line-per-minute printer
>   

Is that one of those beasts with the oscillating dot matrix print head 
bar thing? I worked on some of those (but like the 300 and 600 LPM 
models) back in the late 80's.

I should put that in my cube and make printouts of my code all day long. 
My coworkers would love that.

-dc



From dave at 58ghz.net  Fri May  1 10:02:38 2009
From: dave at 58ghz.net (Dave J. Hala Jr.)
Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 10:02:38 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Free junk
In-Reply-To: <49FB0D52.4040408@dchamp.net>
References: <200905010917.12147.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
	<49FB0D52.4040408@dchamp.net>
Message-ID: <1241190158.16318.150.camel@rhel5>

I had a similar printer at a previous job in the accounting dept. It was
used to print payroll. It was smoking fast.  Its was in an enclosure to
deaden the noise. It was so noisy that it shook the entire enclosure.
The print head changed direction so violently that the entire table
"wiggled".

It was kinda cool to watch -if you were wearing ear plugs. It was
amazing see tractor fed paper pulled through something so fast. 


On Fri, 2009-05-01 at 09:55 -0500, David Champion wrote:
> Daniel A. Ramaley wrote:
> > Printronix 1200 line-per-minute printer
> >   
> 
> Is that one of those beasts with the oscillating dot matrix print head 
> bar thing? I worked on some of those (but like the 300 and 600 LPM 
> models) back in the late 80's.
> 
> I should put that in my cube and make printouts of my code all day long. 
> My coworkers would love that.
> 
> -dc
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
-- 
___
Dave J. Hala Jr.
President OSIS, Inc.
www.osis.us


From newz at bearfruit.org  Fri May  1 10:04:42 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 10:04:42 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Free junk
In-Reply-To: <1241190158.16318.150.camel@rhel5>
References: <200905010917.12147.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
	<49FB0D52.4040408@dchamp.net> <1241190158.16318.150.camel@rhel5>
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080905010804i782c67dfj81ef7c76a7e4e3bb@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Dave J. Hala Jr. <dave at 58ghz.net> wrote:
> I had a similar printer at a previous job in the accounting dept. It was
> used to print payroll. It was smoking fast. ?Its was in an enclosure to
> deaden the noise. It was so noisy that it shook the entire enclosure.
> The print head changed direction so violently that the entire table
> "wiggled".
>
> It was kinda cool to watch -if you were wearing ear plugs. It was
> amazing see tractor fed paper pulled through something so fast.
>

If I had time and space I'd take it apart for the motors and slides.
That'd get you at least half-way to a home built CNC machine.

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter

From daniel.ramaley at drake.edu  Fri May  1 10:10:36 2009
From: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu (Daniel A. Ramaley)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 10:10:36 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Free junk
In-Reply-To: <49FB0D52.4040408@dchamp.net>
References: <200905010917.12147.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
	<49FB0D52.4040408@dchamp.net>
Message-ID: <200905011010.36538.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>

On 2009-05-01 at 09:55:14, David Champion wrote:
>Daniel A. Ramaley wrote:
>> Printronix 1200 line-per-minute printer
>
>Is that one of those beasts with the oscillating dot matrix print head
>bar thing? I worked on some of those (but like the 300 and 600 LPM
>models) back in the late 80's.

I'm not sure if it is exactly what you are thinking, but "beast" is 
certainly a correct word for it. The size of the thing makes me think 
of a deep-freeze or a (large) washing machine. It is a wide-format 
dot-matrix printer that i think prints entire lines at once rather than 
individual characters. The print "head" is unlike that of a 
desktop-size dot matrix printer; it is indeed more of a bar. This 
printer would be at home in a 1980s (or earlier) mainframe room. It was 
still used here until a few months ago, printing out reports.

>I should put that in my cube and make printouts of my code all day
> long. My coworkers would love that.

Or attach it to a busy web server and pipe http_access.log to it.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dan Ramaley                            Dial Center 118, Drake University
Network Programmer/Analyst             2407 Carpenter Ave
+1 515 271-4540                        Des Moines IA 50311 USA

From dave at dchamp.net  Fri May  1 10:13:07 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 10:13:07 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Free junk
In-Reply-To: <1241190158.16318.150.camel@rhel5>
References: <200905010917.12147.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>	<49FB0D52.4040408@dchamp.net>
	<1241190158.16318.150.camel@rhel5>
Message-ID: <49FB1183.5030704@dchamp.net>

The models I'm thinking of didn't have a conventional print head per 
se... they had a bar that was the width of the entire page (for the wide 
120 column paper), with 120 pins in it. The entire bar was mounted on 
cams, and oscillated around so fast you could barely see it. The pins 
would fire as the bar rotated past the desired position, kind of like a 
chain / band printer, but with pins. It was amazing to watch them print.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_matrix_printer

-dc

Dave J. Hala Jr. wrote:
> I had a similar printer at a previous job in the accounting dept. It was
> used to print payroll. It was smoking fast.  Its was in an enclosure to
> deaden the noise. It was so noisy that it shook the entire enclosure.
> The print head changed direction so violently that the entire table
> "wiggled".
>
> It was kinda cool to watch -if you were wearing ear plugs. It was
> amazing see tractor fed paper pulled through something so fast. 
>
>
> On Fri, 2009-05-01 at 09:55 -0500, David Champion wrote:
>   
>> Daniel A. Ramaley wrote:
>>     
>>> Printronix 1200 line-per-minute printer
>>>   
>>>       
>> Is that one of those beasts with the oscillating dot matrix print head 
>> bar thing? I worked on some of those (but like the 300 and 600 LPM 
>> models) back in the late 80's.
>>
>> I should put that in my cube and make printouts of my code all day long. 
>> My coworkers would love that.
>>
>> -dc
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cialug mailing list
>> Cialug at cialug.org
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>     



From dave at 58ghz.net  Fri May  1 10:15:15 2009
From: dave at 58ghz.net (Dave J. Hala Jr.)
Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 10:15:15 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Free junk
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4080905010804i782c67dfj81ef7c76a7e4e3bb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200905010917.12147.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
	<49FB0D52.4040408@dchamp.net> <1241190158.16318.150.camel@rhel5>
	<f3c0b4080905010804i782c67dfj81ef7c76a7e4e3bb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1241190915.16318.158.camel@rhel5>

The slides are nice, but they are generally belt driven. You'd do better
using a screw.

Here's an interesting site: http://buildyourcnc.com

They have a software section featuring Ubunto. I was suprised to see how
OSS they was for these types of applications.



On Fri, 2009-05-01 at 10:04 -0500, Matthew Nuzum wrote:
> On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Dave J. Hala Jr. <dave at 58ghz.net> wrote:
> > I had a similar printer at a previous job in the accounting dept. It was
> > used to print payroll. It was smoking fast.  Its was in an enclosure to
> > deaden the noise. It was so noisy that it shook the entire enclosure.
> > The print head changed direction so violently that the entire table
> > "wiggled".
> >
> > It was kinda cool to watch -if you were wearing ear plugs. It was
> > amazing see tractor fed paper pulled through something so fast.
> >
> 
> If I had time and space I'd take it apart for the motors and slides.
> That'd get you at least half-way to a home built CNC machine.
> 
-- 
___
Dave J. Hala Jr.
President OSIS, Inc.
www.osis.us


From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com  Fri May  1 10:26:24 2009
From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 10:26:24 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Free junk
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4080905010804i782c67dfj81ef7c76a7e4e3bb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200905010917.12147.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
	<49FB0D52.4040408@dchamp.net> <1241190158.16318.150.camel@rhel5>
	<f3c0b4080905010804i782c67dfj81ef7c76a7e4e3bb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D43921B1695991468329C1A7296519C05C5139CFEF@exchange2k7.ipmvs.com>

My brother-in-law has built 2 CNC machines.  I haven't really gotten to watch them in action yet.  They look very cool. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org 
> [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Nuzum
> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 10:05 AM
> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Free junk
> 
> On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Dave J. Hala Jr. 
> <dave at 58ghz.net> wrote:
> > I had a similar printer at a previous job in the accounting 
> dept. It was
> > used to print payroll. It was smoking fast. ?Its was in an 
> enclosure to
> > deaden the noise. It was so noisy that it shook the entire 
> enclosure.
> > The print head changed direction so violently that the entire table
> > "wiggled".
> >
> > It was kinda cool to watch -if you were wearing ear plugs. It was
> > amazing see tractor fed paper pulled through something so fast.
> >
> 
> If I had time and space I'd take it apart for the motors and slides.
> That'd get you at least half-way to a home built CNC machine.
> 
> -- 
> Matthew Nuzum
> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> 

From daniel.ramaley at drake.edu  Fri May  1 10:26:55 2009
From: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu (Daniel A. Ramaley)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 10:26:55 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Free junk
In-Reply-To: <49FB1183.5030704@dchamp.net>
References: <200905010917.12147.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
	<1241190158.16318.150.camel@rhel5> <49FB1183.5030704@dchamp.net>
Message-ID: <200905011026.55112.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>

I'm guessing what we have here is a line-matrix printer then. The head 
doesn't move back and forth like a dot-matrix printer. And for its size 
it is fairly quiet. The foam-insulated cabinet it is in might account 
for the relative lack of noise though.

On 2009-05-01 at 10:13:07, David Champion wrote:
>The models I'm thinking of didn't have a conventional print head per
>se... they had a bar that was the width of the entire page (for the
> wide 120 column paper), with 120 pins in it. The entire bar was
> mounted on cams, and oscillated around so fast you could barely see
> it. The pins would fire as the bar rotated past the desired position,
> kind of like a chain / band printer, but with pins. It was amazing to
> watch them print.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_matrix_printer
>
>-dc
>
>Dave J. Hala Jr. wrote:
>> I had a similar printer at a previous job in the accounting dept. It
>> was used to print payroll. It was smoking fast.  Its was in an
>> enclosure to deaden the noise. It was so noisy that it shook the
>> entire enclosure. The print head changed direction so violently that
>> the entire table "wiggled".
>>
>> It was kinda cool to watch -if you were wearing ear plugs. It was
>> amazing see tractor fed paper pulled through something so fast.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dan Ramaley                            Dial Center 118, Drake University
Network Programmer/Analyst             2407 Carpenter Ave
+1 515 271-4540                        Des Moines IA 50311 USA

From newz at bearfruit.org  Fri May  1 10:53:59 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 10:53:59 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] DSM Web Geeks meeting - iPhone apps,
	social networking/media
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080905010853i1d056e5blbd997a3d503f15f3@mail.gmail.com>

Hello, DSM Web Geeks is meeting again on Monday. We'll learn how to
make an iPhone app and learn about social networking / media. Location
is down town Des Moines at Impromptu Studio.

Full details are at www.dsmwebgeeks.com

We can use one more 5 minute lightening talk - if you've done or
learned something cool that you want to show off let me know.

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter

From mrdovey at iedu.com  Fri May  1 10:59:01 2009
From: mrdovey at iedu.com (Morris Dovey)
Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 10:59:01 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Free junk
In-Reply-To: <1241190915.16318.158.camel@rhel5>
References: <200905010917.12147.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>	<49FB0D52.4040408@dchamp.net>
	<1241190158.16318.150.camel@rhel5>	<f3c0b4080905010804i782c67dfj81ef7c76a7e4e3bb@mail.gmail.com>
	<1241190915.16318.158.camel@rhel5>
Message-ID: <49FB1C45.7040807@iedu.com>

Dave J. Hala Jr. wrote:
> The slides are nice, but they are generally belt driven. You'd do better
> using a screw.
> 
> Here's an interesting site: http://buildyourcnc.com
> 
> They have a software section featuring Ubunto. I was suprised to see how
> OSS they was for these types of applications.

I don't know if anyone would find this one interesting, but it's close 
enough to get a first-hand look:

    http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Projects/JBot/

-- 
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

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From daniel.ramaley at drake.edu  Fri May  1 11:36:41 2009
From: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu (Daniel A. Ramaley)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 11:36:41 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Free junk
In-Reply-To: <200905010917.12147.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
References: <200905010917.12147.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
Message-ID: <200905011136.41260.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>

The HP printer has been lugged away. The AlphaServer 4100 has been 
spoken for.

The VAX and both AlphaServer 2100's are still available, so now's your 
chance to build a cluster of obsolete hardware. And why not round out 
the cluster with a nice printer? Anyone?


On 2009-05-01 at 09:17:12, Daniel A. Ramaley wrote:
>HP 4500 color laser printer with spare green & magenta toners
>
>Vax 4600 (also known as 4000-600) with 4 drives and lots of cards plus
> 7 drives external.
>
>AlphaServer 4100
>
>AlphaServer 2100 4/233 with 15 hard drives, 2040 DLT tape drive, SCSI
>CD-R drive.
>
>AlphaServer 2100 4/233 with fewer drives
>
>Spare drives (with caddies) for the AlphaServers
>
>Printronix 1200 line-per-minute printer
>
>LG08 600 line-per-minute printer

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dan Ramaley                            Dial Center 118, Drake University
Network Programmer/Analyst             2407 Carpenter Ave
+1 515 271-4540                        Des Moines IA 50311 USA

From dave at dchamp.net  Fri May  1 12:16:06 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 12:16:06 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Free junk
In-Reply-To: <49FB1C45.7040807@iedu.com>
References: <200905010917.12147.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>	<49FB0D52.4040408@dchamp.net>	<1241190158.16318.150.camel@rhel5>	<f3c0b4080905010804i782c67dfj81ef7c76a7e4e3bb@mail.gmail.com>	<1241190915.16318.158.camel@rhel5>
	<49FB1C45.7040807@iedu.com>
Message-ID: <49FB2E56.5060800@dchamp.net>

Morris Dovey wrote:
> Dave J. Hala Jr. wrote:
>> The slides are nice, but they are generally belt driven. You'd do better
>> using a screw.
>>
>> Here's an interesting site: http://buildyourcnc.com
>>
>> They have a software section featuring Ubunto. I was suprised to see how
>> OSS they was for these types of applications.
>
> I don't know if anyone would find this one interesting, but it's close 
> enough to get a first-hand look:
>
>    http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Projects/JBot/
>
That is some pretty cool stuff, Morris. You should have a LUG tour of 
your shop some time. :)

-dc



From mrdovey at iedu.com  Fri May  1 12:35:36 2009
From: mrdovey at iedu.com (Morris Dovey)
Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 12:35:36 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Free junk
In-Reply-To: <49FB2E56.5060800@dchamp.net>
References: <200905010917.12147.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>	<49FB0D52.4040408@dchamp.net>	<1241190158.16318.150.camel@rhel5>	<f3c0b4080905010804i782c67dfj81ef7c76a7e4e3bb@mail.gmail.com>	<1241190915.16318.158.camel@rhel5>	<49FB1C45.7040807@iedu.com>
	<49FB2E56.5060800@dchamp.net>
Message-ID: <49FB32E8.70004@iedu.com>

David Champion wrote:
> Morris Dovey wrote:
>> Dave J. Hala Jr. wrote:
>>> The slides are nice, but they are generally belt driven. You'd do better
>>> using a screw.
>>>
>>> Here's an interesting site: http://buildyourcnc.com
>>>
>>> They have a software section featuring Ubunto. I was suprised to see how
>>> OSS they was for these types of applications.
>> I don't know if anyone would find this one interesting, but it's close 
>> enough to get a first-hand look:
>>
>>    http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Projects/JBot/
>>
> That is some pretty cool stuff, Morris. You should have a LUG tour of 
> your shop some time. :)

Shop tours are completely informal - and anyone who's so inclined is 
welcome to have a tour whenever they can catch me there - or by 
e-mailing me a day ahead of time so I'll /know/ to be there.

Or, if you'd like, you can see most of the shop (and some of the 
non-business stuff I work on) by browsing the pages linked at:

    http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Projects/

-- 
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

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From bill.davis at gmail.com  Fri May  1 12:45:23 2009
From: bill.davis at gmail.com (Bill Davis)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 12:45:23 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Free junk
In-Reply-To: <200905011136.41260.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
References: <200905010917.12147.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
	<200905011136.41260.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
Message-ID: <e734c8cd0905011045g2f3c0f47p6a49cfbaa5b203a4@mail.gmail.com>

I'd be interested in one of the AlphaServer 2100s.   I used Alphas running
OpenVMS at my last job  though not those particular models.

Hobbyists can get installation media from DEC/Compaq/HP OpenVMS for free
(more or less)

Most/all of the documentation is available on the HP web site.

Do the units have tape or CD-ROM drives?  Do they have boot consoles
(monitor and keyboard, or at least a DEC-style kehyboard?)   Will they run
off normal wall power?

Bill Davis
5214 Meredith Dr.
Des Moines, IA 50310-2956 USA
(515) 270-6729 home
(515) 360-0445 mobile
(515) 281-7302 work


On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Daniel A. Ramaley <daniel.ramaley at drake.edu
> wrote:

> The HP printer has been lugged away. The AlphaServer 4100 has been
> spoken for.
>
> The VAX and both AlphaServer 2100's are still available, so now's your
> chance to build a cluster of obsolete hardware. And why not round out
> the cluster with a nice printer? Anyone?
>
>
> On 2009-05-01 at 09:17:12, Daniel A. Ramaley wrote:
> >HP 4500 color laser printer with spare green & magenta toners
> >
> >Vax 4600 (also known as 4000-600) with 4 drives and lots of cards plus
> > 7 drives external.
> >
> >AlphaServer 4100
> >
> >AlphaServer 2100 4/233 with 15 hard drives, 2040 DLT tape drive, SCSI
> >CD-R drive.
> >
> >AlphaServer 2100 4/233 with fewer drives
> >
> >Spare drives (with caddies) for the AlphaServers
> >
> >Printronix 1200 line-per-minute printer
> >
> >LG08 600 line-per-minute printer
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Dan Ramaley                            Dial Center 118, Drake University
> Network Programmer/Analyst             2407 Carpenter Ave
> +1 515 271-4540                        Des Moines IA 50311 USA
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From icepuck2k at mchsi.com  Fri May  1 18:39:38 2009
From: icepuck2k at mchsi.com (Dan Hockey)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 18:39:38 -0500
Subject: [Cialug]  LinuxCNC
In-Reply-To: <49FB32E8.70004@iedu.com>
References: <200905010917.12147.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>	<49FB0D52.4040408@dchamp.net>	<1241190158.16318.150.camel@rhel5>	<f3c0b4080905010804i782c67dfj81ef7c76a7e4e3bb@mail.gmail.com>	<1241190915.16318.158.camel@rhel5>	<49FB1C45.7040807@iedu.com><49FB2E56.5060800@dchamp.net>
	<49FB32E8.70004@iedu.com>
Message-ID: <6BE9E8326E584DE88362181E0967902A@toshibauser>

http://www.sherline.com/8540pg.htm
Here's another linux based cnc.
-dh


From daniel.ramaley at drake.edu  Sun May  3 00:10:20 2009
From: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu (Daniel A Ramaley)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 00:10:20 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Cialug] [OT] Digital TV
Message-ID: <1406586407.1226361241327420349.JavaMail.root@dial-mailstore2.drake.edu>

Assuming the digital transition isn't pushed off yet again, broadcast stations will switch to digital soon. I have 2 TVs, one modern enough to have a built-in digital tuner, the other not. For the older TV i already have an ATSC (digital broadcast) tuner, but not a QAM (digital cable) tuner.

Currently i use Mediacom's "broadcast basic" cable package, which includes the broadcast channels plus Discovery Channel. Today i received a letter saying that Mediacom is moving several of their channels to digital soon. This means i'll have to find a QAM tuner for the older TV. Any suggestions on how to find a good QAM tuner box?

One other problem is that Mediacom's letter mentioned that Discovery Channel was being dropped from the broadcast basic package. It is the only channel i really watch, but i don't think it is worth the price of upgrading the cable package to keep it. So i'm thinking of switching to broadcast. I live in an apartment, so indoor antennas would be easiest. Any suggestions on how to choose an antenna? Would any old rabbit ears be OK as they were for the analog signals?

From markhesseltine at gmail.com  Sun May  3 00:27:44 2009
From: markhesseltine at gmail.com (Mark Hesseltine)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 00:27:44 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] [OT] Digital TV
In-Reply-To: <1406586407.1226361241327420349.JavaMail.root@dial-mailstore2.drake.edu>
References: <1406586407.1226361241327420349.JavaMail.root@dial-mailstore2.drake.edu>
Message-ID: <35e03aae0905022227x6f6526absbb1595d04fbe8824@mail.gmail.com>

I'd done some reading on DIY antenna setups, and honest to $DEITY, I
got a $5 300 to 75 ohm adapter from Radio Shack, bent a piece of wire
coat hanger and attached each end to the screw terminals on the
adapter and get better reception than a couple of commercially
purchased (albeit it not DTV-specific) antennae.

I'm on the ground floor of an apartment and the store-bought units got
me signal levels in the mid 50's on my RCA box. The coat hanger runs
closer to the mid 70's, although I'm not getting 34.1 right now and
figure I might have to make a couple tweaks to the hanger (longer or
shorter to cover the band I'm not catching now). Still, for a $5
"Let's see what happens" experiment, I've been pretty pleased.

-- 
Mark Hesseltine
mailto:markhesseltine at gmail.com

From mrdovey at iedu.com  Sun May  3 00:31:38 2009
From: mrdovey at iedu.com (Morris Dovey)
Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 00:31:38 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] [OT] Digital TV
In-Reply-To: <1406586407.1226361241327420349.JavaMail.root@dial-mailstore2.drake.edu>
References: <1406586407.1226361241327420349.JavaMail.root@dial-mailstore2.drake.edu>
Message-ID: <49FD2C3A.3090202@iedu.com>

Daniel A Ramaley wrote:

> So i'm thinking of switching to broadcast. I live in an apartment, so
> indoor antennas would be easiest. Any suggestions on how to choose an
> antenna? Would any old rabbit ears be OK as they were for the analog
> signals?

At least one of the broadcast channels will be moving from VHF to UHF, 
which means that your old rabbit ear antenna may not work.

I've heard good reports about the DIY UHF antenna in this how-to video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWQhlmJTMzw

But I haven't built/tested it myself.

-- 
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

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From inflatablesoulmate at brothersofchaos.com  Sun May  3 01:35:11 2009
From: inflatablesoulmate at brothersofchaos.com (Matt Stanton)
Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 01:35:11 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] [OT] Digital TV
In-Reply-To: <1406586407.1226361241327420349.JavaMail.root@dial-mailstore2.drake.edu>
References: <1406586407.1226361241327420349.JavaMail.root@dial-mailstore2.drake.edu>
Message-ID: <49FD3B1F.5090507@brothersofchaos.com>

When I bought the tuner card for my pc (at best buy... epic fail, since 
it's not at all supported by mythtv), I also spent a ton of money on an 
indoor antenna that is specifically for digital broadcast.  I think it 
cost me $89.99...  That hurt a lot, but on the basement floor of the 
house in urbandale I have no problem picking up every broadcast station 
in the area.  Thing looks like a yagi-style antenna (small fins at the 
front with larger fins as you go towards the back) with the standard 
extendable rabbit ears on each side (made by TERK).  It came with a 
little inline signal booster that the antenna is basically completely 
useless without.

Since then I have gotten a nice 42" plasma tv (which functions almost 
exclusively as a giant computer monitor), and the antenna works 
perfectly fine with it, also, so I guess minor differences in the tuners 
between the TV and the tuner card aren't enough to render the signal 
useless in either case.

Daniel A Ramaley wrote:
> Assuming the digital transition isn't pushed off yet again, broadcast stations will switch to digital soon. I have 2 TVs, one modern enough to have a built-in digital tuner, the other not. For the older TV i already have an ATSC (digital broadcast) tuner, but not a QAM (digital cable) tuner.
>
> Currently i use Mediacom's "broadcast basic" cable package, which includes the broadcast channels plus Discovery Channel. Today i received a letter saying that Mediacom is moving several of their channels to digital soon. This means i'll have to find a QAM tuner for the older TV. Any suggestions on how to find a good QAM tuner box?
>
> One other problem is that Mediacom's letter mentioned that Discovery Channel was being dropped from the broadcast basic package. It is the only channel i really watch, but i don't think it is worth the price of upgrading the cable package to keep it. So i'm thinking of switching to broadcast. I live in an apartment, so indoor antennas would be easiest. Any suggestions on how to choose an antenna? Would any old rabbit ears be OK as they were for the analog signals?
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
>   


From doncady at gmail.com  Sun May  3 07:27:22 2009
From: doncady at gmail.com (Don Cady)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 07:27:22 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] [OT] Digital TV
In-Reply-To: <1406586407.1226361241327420349.JavaMail.root@dial-mailstore2.drake.edu>
References: <1406586407.1226361241327420349.JavaMail.root@dial-mailstore2.drake.edu>
Message-ID: <bfffc7a70905030527rd23091fg8ec79d0081062b0e@mail.gmail.com>

> Currently i use Mediacom's "broadcast basic" cable package, which includes the >broadcast channels plus Discovery Channel. Today i received a letter saying that >Mediacom is moving several of their channels to digital soon. This means i'll have to find a
>QAM tuner for the older TV. Any suggestions on how to find a good QAM tuner box?
Those channels will not likely be unencrypted after the move, so you'd
need their "digital box" anyway. Here's a list of what one can get
unencrypted in our town:
http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineupui/US:50310

>switching to broadcast. I live in an apartment, so indoor antennas would be easiest. Any >suggestions on how to choose an antenna? Would any old rabbit ears be OK as they were for
www.antennaweb.org reports a small indoor antenna should work for most
in the metro.

Don

From jerry at heiselman.com  Sun May  3 08:53:51 2009
From: jerry at heiselman.com (Jerry Heiselman)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 08:53:51 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] [OT] Digital TV
In-Reply-To: <bfffc7a70905030527rd23091fg8ec79d0081062b0e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1406586407.1226361241327420349.JavaMail.root@dial-mailstore2.drake.edu>
	<bfffc7a70905030527rd23091fg8ec79d0081062b0e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45a88bbd0905030653w2b8ee9a5ta6fb02a8fd490f8@mail.gmail.com>

I first bought a digital antenna from Best Buy (
http://www.amazon.com/Terk-Low-Profile-Indoor-Antenna-TV5/dp/B000069106).  I
got around 70-80% signal strength.  It seemed okay, but it would cut out
very frequently.  Then I watched a segment on Make: Television about
building your own (
http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/01/maker_workshop_pdf_dtv_antenna.html).
 With this new antenna mounted in my attic, I now get 90-100% signal
strength except for Fox which comes in around 85.  I also put the antenna
feed into a splitter/combiner and combined it with the cable from the
Mediacom feed (I am not a subscriber, but the feed is still attached to the
signal tap outside my house).  This then feeds into my TV.  This seems to
have seriously stabilized the signal.
http://www.antennaweb.org is a great resources for helping you decide on a
type of antenna and how to point a directional antenna.
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From jim.asbille at gmail.com  Sun May  3 12:45:22 2009
From: jim.asbille at gmail.com (Jim Asbille)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 12:45:22 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] [OT] Digital TV
In-Reply-To: <1406586407.1226361241327420349.JavaMail.root@dial-mailstore2.drake.edu>
References: <1406586407.1226361241327420349.JavaMail.root@dial-mailstore2.drake.edu>
Message-ID: <60fcb45d0905031045g11270639qea6234fea95d7b5b@mail.gmail.com>

I got the same letter from Mediacom.  We are losing CNN as well.  I am
thinking of going to antennae but don't want to lose my Internet access for
$40ish a month.  Are there any reasonable broadband access alternatives that
won't cost much more than this?

On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 12:10 AM, Daniel A Ramaley
<daniel.ramaley at drake.edu>wrote:

> Assuming the digital transition isn't pushed off yet again, broadcast
> stations will switch to digital soon. I have 2 TVs, one modern enough to
> have a built-in digital tuner, the other not. For the older TV i already
> have an ATSC (digital broadcast) tuner, but not a QAM (digital cable) tuner.
>
> Currently i use Mediacom's "broadcast basic" cable package, which includes
> the broadcast channels plus Discovery Channel. Today i received a letter
> saying that Mediacom is moving several of their channels to digital soon.
> This means i'll have to find a QAM tuner for the older TV. Any suggestions
> on how to find a good QAM tuner box?
>
> One other problem is that Mediacom's letter mentioned that Discovery
> Channel was being dropped from the broadcast basic package. It is the only
> channel i really watch, but i don't think it is worth the price of upgrading
> the cable package to keep it. So i'm thinking of switching to broadcast. I
> live in an apartment, so indoor antennas would be easiest. Any suggestions
> on how to choose an antenna? Would any old rabbit ears be OK as they were
> for the analog signals?
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>



-- 
Jim Asbille, MSM
registered Linux user number 388067

The difference between Microsoft and ?Jurassic Park?:
In one, a mad businessman makes a lot of money with beasts that should be
extinct.
The other is a film.
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From ralphkessel75 at yahoo.com  Sun May  3 12:58:42 2009
From: ralphkessel75 at yahoo.com (Ralph Kessel)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 10:58:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Cialug] help with reinstalling windows
Message-ID: <367147.29643.qm@web46410.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I've just purchased a new hard drive to reinstall my Windows Vista. I've just updated to Ubuntu 9.0 without any problems and like it very well. My question is how to reinstall windows without destroying my Ubuntu boot connection? Do I just use the boot facitlity of my BIOS?  I'm just trying to verify that I don't muck my system up again.  I differ to your experience.
Thanks,
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From newz at bearfruit.org  Sun May  3 13:50:12 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 13:50:12 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] [OT] Digital TV
In-Reply-To: <60fcb45d0905031045g11270639qea6234fea95d7b5b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1406586407.1226361241327420349.JavaMail.root@dial-mailstore2.drake.edu>
	<60fcb45d0905031045g11270639qea6234fea95d7b5b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080905031150w607bde2h249fe295f36147e0@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Jim Asbille <jim.asbille at gmail.com> wrote:
> I got the same letter from Mediacom.? We are losing CNN as well.? I am
> thinking of going to antennae but don't want to lose my Internet access for
> $40ish a month.? Are there any reasonable broadband access alternatives that
> won't cost much more than this?
>

I switched to Dish for TV and Qwest for DSL. My DSL is $35/mo or so
1.5Mbps down, 768K up. Not good for watching streaming hidef video but
otherwise works great. I spend less now than with mediacom's basic
package + internet and as a bonus have a DVR. Download bandwidth is
down (from 7Mbps) but upload bandwidth is up. Unless I'm downloading
an iso I usually don't notice the download difference but I often
appreciate the upload speed. The DVR is a blessing and a curse. I used
to never watch TV. At least I can skip the commercials.

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter

From tim_linux at wilson-home.com  Sun May  3 15:09:29 2009
From: tim_linux at wilson-home.com (Tim Wilson)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 15:09:29 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] [OT] Digital TV
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4080905031150w607bde2h249fe295f36147e0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1406586407.1226361241327420349.JavaMail.root@dial-mailstore2.drake.edu>
	<60fcb45d0905031045g11270639qea6234fea95d7b5b@mail.gmail.com>
	<f3c0b4080905031150w607bde2h249fe295f36147e0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5a9568c20905031309v5677d702k267999925a40356a@mail.gmail.com>

Personally, we've been pretty happy with DirecTV.  They do have a cheaper
package now, I think it's meant to compete with Dish's cheap package and the
basic cable package.  The only complaints I have about it is rain does
frequently knock it out.  Also the people they having working for them are
hit-or-miss on whether they know what they're talking about.  But, you only
have to deal with them when first setting things up, adding/changing your
setup, or there's a problem, which doesn't happen very often.

Of course, if you DO go DirecTV, e-mail me off-list for info on how we can
each save $100.

Regarding antennas, stay away from RCA.  I've come to the conclusion that
RCA stands for Really Crappy Apparatus.  I had an RCA antenna and couldn't
get locals in West Des Moines.  I bought a Terk antenna about a year ago,
and like it as a backup.  The one problem that I discovered with it is I
still had to move it when going to/from channel 13.  I don't understand why,
it's my understanding that the towers are within 2 degrees of each other.
That isn't very much, I thought I'd be able to put the antenna such that it
was 1 degree away from the highest and lowest angles.  But I was never able
to get it set right.  For us, it is just a backup.  Like I said, with
satellite, if it rains too hard, you'll lose signal.  But you also get more
channels than OTA.


On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:

> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Jim Asbille <jim.asbille at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I got the same letter from Mediacom.  We are losing CNN as well.  I am
> > thinking of going to antennae but don't want to lose my Internet access
> for
> > $40ish a month.  Are there any reasonable broadband access alternatives
> that
> > won't cost much more than this?
> >
>
> I switched to Dish for TV and Qwest for DSL. My DSL is $35/mo or so
> 1.5Mbps down, 768K up. Not good for watching streaming hidef video but
> otherwise works great. I spend less now than with mediacom's basic
> package + internet and as a bonus have a DVR. Download bandwidth is
> down (from 7Mbps) but upload bandwidth is up. Unless I'm downloading
> an iso I usually don't notice the download difference but I often
> appreciate the upload speed. The DVR is a blessing and a curse. I used
> to never watch TV. At least I can skip the commercials.
>
> --
> Matthew Nuzum
> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>



-- 
Tim
Required reading: http://bccplease.com/
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From icepuck2k at mchsi.com  Sun May  3 18:39:43 2009
From: icepuck2k at mchsi.com (Dan Hockey)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 18:39:43 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] [OT] Digital TV
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4080905031150w607bde2h249fe295f36147e0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1406586407.1226361241327420349.JavaMail.root@dial-mailstore2.drake.edu><60fcb45d0905031045g11270639qea6234fea95d7b5b@mail.gmail.com>
	<f3c0b4080905031150w607bde2h249fe295f36147e0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DA11345F73124A6783CC50857DA3F9AA@toshibauser>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On
> Behalf Of Matthew Nuzum
> Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 1:50 PM
> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] [OT] Digital TV
> 
> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Jim Asbille <jim.asbille at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I got the same letter from Mediacom.? We are losing CNN as well.? I am
> > thinking of going to antennae but don't want to lose my Internet access
> for
> > $40ish a month.? Are there any reasonable broadband access alternatives
> that
> > won't cost much more than this?
> >
> 
> I switched to Dish for TV and Qwest for DSL. My DSL is $35/mo or so
> 1.5Mbps down, 768K up. Not good for watching streaming hidef video but
> otherwise works great. I spend less now than with mediacom's basic
> package + internet and as a bonus have a DVR. Download bandwidth is
> down (from 7Mbps) but upload bandwidth is up. Unless I'm downloading
> an iso I usually don't notice the download difference but I often
> appreciate the upload speed. The DVR is a blessing and a curse. I used
> to never watch TV. At least I can skip the commercials.
> 
Qwest keeps sending me letters trying to get me to switch to dsl, but I
couldn't get dsl the last time I checked. Mediacom never showed up the last
time I called. My internet still dies if it rains hard enough.
-dh 


From icepuck2k at mchsi.com  Sun May  3 18:50:49 2009
From: icepuck2k at mchsi.com (Dan Hockey)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 18:50:49 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] help with reinstalling windows
In-Reply-To: <367147.29643.qm@web46410.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <367147.29643.qm@web46410.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <75373423BCEF482D8F4879B95636B697@toshibauser>

Check to see if you can boot your linux install from the cd, rescue mode I
think it's called. Make sure you have everything to reinstall your
bootloader.

Format and reinstall windows as usual, once that is done boot linux in
rescue mode and reinstall your boot loader. My experience is with mandriva

I wouldn't think ubuntu would be much different.

-dh 

 

  _____  

From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf
Of Ralph Kessel
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 12:59 PM
To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
Subject: [Cialug] help with reinstalling windows

 

I've just purchased a new hard drive to reinstall my Windows Vista. I've
just updated to Ubuntu 9.0 without any problems and like it very well. My
question is how to reinstall windows without destroying my Ubuntu boot
connection? Do I just use the boot facitlity of my BIOS?  I'm just trying to
verify that I don't muck my system up again.  I differ to your experience.
Thanks,
Ralph Kessel

 

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From atporter at gmail.com  Sun May  3 19:04:40 2009
From: atporter at gmail.com (Aaron Porter)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 17:04:40 -0700
Subject: [Cialug] BMKL?
In-Reply-To: <e3686ee50904291942p35a6fe49keeb7ffa10a228950@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e3686ee50904291942p35a6fe49keeb7ffa10a228950@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <667aab920905031704w7b579f88t38060562d820153f@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Colin Burnett <cmlburnett at gmail.com> wrote:
> Any ideas if I can find anything to mount this? ?I don't need to
> recover anything so I ultimately don't care if I can get it mounted,
> more for fun.

Sounds like you're in for a world full of a very "special" kind of fun:

http://tiagoboldt.net/blog/creative-zen-linux/

From atporter at gmail.com  Sun May  3 19:44:58 2009
From: atporter at gmail.com (Aaron Porter)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 17:44:58 -0700
Subject: [Cialug] BMKL?
In-Reply-To: <e3686ee50904291942p35a6fe49keeb7ffa10a228950@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e3686ee50904291942p35a6fe49keeb7ffa10a228950@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <667aab920905031744p160b0d6biaf08f0d8b6355823@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Colin Burnett <cmlburnett at gmail.com> wrote:
> So my Creative Zen mp3 player died so I ripped it apart. ?The 5GB
> seagate drive has a CF 2 form factor so when I popped it in fdisk
> doesn't recognize it. ?A 2 block dd dump shows the first four chars
> are BMKL. ?The best I found was Berkeley Multimedia Kernel Library but
> that seems like an odd thing to start a drive volume with.

Ahh -- I misread your intent. To salvage the CF what you'll probably
need to do is create an MSDOS type Partition Table. This would
probably be easiest with parted:

parted /dev/sd<letter>
> mklabel msdos
> mkpart
> q

From tdwalton at gmail.com  Sun May  3 20:27:37 2009
From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 20:27:37 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] help with reinstalling windows
In-Reply-To: <367147.29643.qm@web46410.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <367147.29643.qm@web46410.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <e1d8c6520905031827q6593826ey337f06d06d0a14f5@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Ralph Kessel <ralphkessel75 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I've just purchased a new hard drive to reinstall my Windows Vista. I've
> just updated to Ubuntu 9.0 without any problems and like it very well. My
> question is how to reinstall windows without destroying my Ubuntu boot
> connection?

The Linux boot process has two parts: MBR and GRUB.  The MBR is what
boots first on any PC, no matter what operating system it has in it.
The MBR is just a lily pad to hop from to where the real goods are.
When you install Linux the real goods are in GRUB.

So, MBR first, then GRUB.

When you install Windows it will overwrite your MBR with its own
stuff.  This is not a problem.  After installing Windows, boot from
the Ubuntu CD (you can boot off of CD no matter what's in the MBR).
Once you're in the Ubuntu CD you can use this:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351

You'll have to setup GRUB to be able to boot to Windows.  This list
should be able to help you with that to.

> I differ to your experience.

Probably.  I made a few assumptions up above, but safe ones I believe.

-todd

From doncady at gmail.com  Sun May  3 21:59:00 2009
From: doncady at gmail.com (Don Cady)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 21:59:00 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] FF extension shenanigans
Message-ID: <bfffc7a70905031959i749f985bk66b959603f5e053b@mail.gmail.com>

Don't know if y'all saw this, it's just great (sarcasm).
AdBlockPlus vs. NoScript: http://adblockplus.org/blog/attention-noscript-users

Don

From tdwalton at gmail.com  Mon May  4 06:25:10 2009
From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 06:25:10 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] FF extension shenanigans
In-Reply-To: <bfffc7a70905031959i749f985bk66b959603f5e053b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bfffc7a70905031959i749f985bk66b959603f5e053b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e1d8c6520905040425i295122aftc930576e5d67f613@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Don Cady <doncady at gmail.com> wrote:
> Don't know if y'all saw this, it's just great (sarcasm).
> AdBlockPlus vs. NoScript: http://adblockplus.org/blog/attention-noscript-users

I can see the little line graph in my mind, and NoScript stock
tanking.  Bye bye.

--
Todd

From barry at vonahsen.com  Mon May  4 09:11:52 2009
From: barry at vonahsen.com (Barry Von Ahsen)
Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 09:11:52 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] FF extension shenanigans
In-Reply-To: <e1d8c6520905040425i295122aftc930576e5d67f613@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bfffc7a70905031959i749f985bk66b959603f5e053b@mail.gmail.com>
	<e1d8c6520905040425i295122aftc930576e5d67f613@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49FEF7A8.1080600@vonahsen.com>

Todd Walton wrote:
> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Don Cady <doncady at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Don't know if y'all saw this, it's just great (sarcasm).
>> AdBlockPlus vs. NoScript: http://adblockplus.org/blog/attention-noscript-users
> 
> I can see the little line graph in my mind, and NoScript stock
> tanking.  Bye bye.

MS shenanigans too - .net 3.5 service pack 1 installs a firefox 
extension with no prompting or opt-out-ability, and with no add-ons 
window uninstall option

http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/article08-600

-barry



From newz at bearfruit.org  Mon May  4 09:18:53 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 09:18:53 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] help with reinstalling windows
In-Reply-To: <367147.29643.qm@web46410.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <367147.29643.qm@web46410.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080905040718o4e0ccf1an4086a431ba45dbca@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Ralph Kessel <ralphkessel75 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I've just purchased a new hard drive to reinstall my Windows Vista. I've
> just updated to Ubuntu 9.0 without any problems and like it very well. My
> question is how to reinstall windows without destroying my Ubuntu boot
> connection? Do I just use the boot facitlity of my BIOS?? I'm just trying to
> verify that I don't muck my system up again.? I differ to your experience.

If you just wnt to use Windows for a few programs like quicken, MS
office or some business-type application then you may want to consider
virtualization. Install VirtualBox and then follow the instructions to
install Windows Vista in Virtual Box. You can then run Windows and
Ubuntu at the same time. This won't work if you are hoping to use 3d
applications like games.

A picture may explain the end-result a little better:
http://code.bearfruit.org/~matt/tmp/moviemaker.png

Get VirtualBox for free from http://www.virtualbox.org

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter

From jrnosee at gmail.com  Mon May  4 09:37:04 2009
From: jrnosee at gmail.com (jrnosee at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 09:37:04 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] help with reinstalling windows
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4080905040718o4e0ccf1an4086a431ba45dbca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <367147.29643.qm@web46410.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<f3c0b4080905040718o4e0ccf1an4086a431ba45dbca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a202c1b0905040737u53fb4bc8ya0100fdd079c680f@mail.gmail.com>

If you're gonna monkey around with dual boot I recommend you go download and
burn a copy of Super Grub Disk (google it).  That disk has saved me a LOT of
headaches in setting up/fixing dual boot.

On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:

> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Ralph Kessel <ralphkessel75 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > I've just purchased a new hard drive to reinstall my Windows Vista. I've
> > just updated to Ubuntu 9.0 without any problems and like it very well. My
> > question is how to reinstall windows without destroying my Ubuntu boot
> > connection? Do I just use the boot facitlity of my BIOS?  I'm just trying
> to
> > verify that I don't muck my system up again.  I differ to your
> experience.
>
> If you just wnt to use Windows for a few programs like quicken, MS
> office or some business-type application then you may want to consider
> virtualization. Install VirtualBox and then follow the instructions to
> install Windows Vista in Virtual Box. You can then run Windows and
> Ubuntu at the same time. This won't work if you are hoping to use 3d
> applications like games.
>
> A picture may explain the end-result a little better:
> http://code.bearfruit.org/~matt/tmp/moviemaker.png<http://code.bearfruit.org/%7Ematt/tmp/moviemaker.png>
>
> Get VirtualBox for free from http://www.virtualbox.org
>
> --
> Matthew Nuzum
> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
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From jrnosee at gmail.com  Mon May  4 09:46:56 2009
From: jrnosee at gmail.com (jrnosee at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 09:46:56 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] [OT] Digital TV
In-Reply-To: <DA11345F73124A6783CC50857DA3F9AA@toshibauser>
References: <1406586407.1226361241327420349.JavaMail.root@dial-mailstore2.drake.edu>
	<60fcb45d0905031045g11270639qea6234fea95d7b5b@mail.gmail.com>
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	<DA11345F73124A6783CC50857DA3F9AA@toshibauser>
Message-ID: <a202c1b0905040746t74b853ap103be9d82f58e396@mail.gmail.com>

Wait, wait...back the truck up...when did this letter come from Mediacom?
Sonofa...I always throw out the paper mail then go pay my bill online, so I
probably missed this.  Can anyone scan this in and post it?  I hope it's not
any worthwhile channels.  I have a NTSC TiVo w/ lifetime service.  I can't
switch that easy.  *^#())@*^$ I hate Mediacom.

On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Dan Hockey <icepuck2k at mchsi.com> wrote:

>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On
> > Behalf Of Matthew Nuzum
> > Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 1:50 PM
> > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
> > Subject: Re: [Cialug] [OT] Digital TV
> >
> > On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Jim Asbille <jim.asbille at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > I got the same letter from Mediacom.  We are losing CNN as well.  I am
> > > thinking of going to antennae but don't want to lose my Internet access
> > for
> > > $40ish a month.  Are there any reasonable broadband access alternatives
> > that
> > > won't cost much more than this?
> > >
> >
> > I switched to Dish for TV and Qwest for DSL. My DSL is $35/mo or so
> > 1.5Mbps down, 768K up. Not good for watching streaming hidef video but
> > otherwise works great. I spend less now than with mediacom's basic
> > package + internet and as a bonus have a DVR. Download bandwidth is
> > down (from 7Mbps) but upload bandwidth is up. Unless I'm downloading
> > an iso I usually don't notice the download difference but I often
> > appreciate the upload speed. The DVR is a blessing and a curse. I used
> > to never watch TV. At least I can skip the commercials.
> >
> Qwest keeps sending me letters trying to get me to switch to dsl, but I
> couldn't get dsl the last time I checked. Mediacom never showed up the last
> time I called. My internet still dies if it rains hard enough.
> -dh
>
> _______________________________________________
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From tim_linux at wilson-home.com  Mon May  4 09:58:15 2009
From: tim_linux at wilson-home.com (Tim Wilson)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 09:58:15 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] FF extension shenanigans
In-Reply-To: <49FEF7A8.1080600@vonahsen.com>
References: <bfffc7a70905031959i749f985bk66b959603f5e053b@mail.gmail.com>
	<e1d8c6520905040425i295122aftc930576e5d67f613@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <5a9568c20905040758u7487675dy255610231596546c@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Barry Von Ahsen <barry at vonahsen.com> wrote:

> Todd Walton wrote:
> > On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Don Cady <doncady at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Don't know if y'all saw this, it's just great (sarcasm).
> >> AdBlockPlus vs. NoScript:
> http://adblockplus.org/blog/attention-noscript-users
> >
> > I can see the little line graph in my mind, and NoScript stock
> > tanking.  Bye bye.
>
> MS shenanigans too - .net 3.5 service pack 1 installs a firefox
> extension with no prompting or opt-out-ability, and with no add-ons
> window uninstall option
>
> http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/article08-600


I hate it when you're right.  I just checked my Addons and sure enough, it's
there.  And we're doing some .NET stuff at work, so I kinda need it.  Stupid
M$!  I wonder if that's the cause of the instability I've had lately.

<http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/article08-600>
>
> -barry
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>



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From newz at bearfruit.org  Mon May  4 10:06:00 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 10:06:00 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] FF extension shenanigans
In-Reply-To: <5a9568c20905040758u7487675dy255610231596546c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bfffc7a70905031959i749f985bk66b959603f5e053b@mail.gmail.com>
	<e1d8c6520905040425i295122aftc930576e5d67f613@mail.gmail.com>
	<49FEF7A8.1080600@vonahsen.com>
	<5a9568c20905040758u7487675dy255610231596546c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080905040806q6caa0f8dufd6ebe8d21e8703@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Tim Wilson <tim_linux at wilson-home.com> wrote:
>>
>> MS shenanigans too - .net 3.5 service pack 1 installs a firefox
>> extension with no prompting or opt-out-ability, and with no add-ons
>> window uninstall option
>>
>> http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/article08-600
>
> I hate it when you're right.? I just checked my Addons and sure enough, it's
> there.? And we're doing some .NET stuff at work, so I kinda need it.? Stupid
> M$!? I wonder if that's the cause of the instability I've had lately.
>

The wikipedia page on this "feature" does not read like it's written
from a neutral pov but despite that, it sounds like a java web-start
type of feature. Can anyone confirm if this capability is as
problematic as some of the nay-sayers indicate?

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter

From dan.sloan at drake.edu  Mon May  4 10:24:17 2009
From: dan.sloan at drake.edu (Daniel E Sloan)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 10:24:17 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Cialug] [OT] Digital TV
In-Reply-To: <49FD2C3A.3090202@iedu.com>
References: <1406586407.1226361241327420349.JavaMail.root@dial-mailstore2.drake.edu>
	<49FD2C3A.3090202@iedu.com>
Message-ID: <084c01c9cccb$e7f3c5f0$b7db51d0$@sloan@drake.edu>

If you'd prefer a pdf on this particular antenna, you can find it here:

http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/01/maker_workshop_pdf_dtv_antenna.ht
ml

I've got one in my house  (Nevada) and am currently pulling 14 channels.

It's not mounted or oriented very carefully, I just set it in a window
facing south.  If you're looking for proper orientation www.antennaweb.org
is pretty handy.

-- dsloan

-----Original Message-----
From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On
Behalf Of Morris Dovey
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 12:32 AM
To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
Subject: Re: [Cialug] [OT] Digital TV

Daniel A Ramaley wrote:

> So i'm thinking of switching to broadcast. I live in an apartment, so 
> indoor antennas would be easiest. Any suggestions on how to choose an 
> antenna? Would any old rabbit ears be OK as they were for the analog 
> signals?

At least one of the broadcast channels will be moving from VHF to UHF,
which means that your old rabbit ear antenna may not work.

I've heard good reports about the DIY UHF antenna in this how-to video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWQhlmJTMzw

But I haven't built/tested it myself.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/


From murraymckee at wellsfargo.com  Mon May  4 12:33:28 2009
From: murraymckee at wellsfargo.com (murraymckee at wellsfargo.com)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 12:33:28 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] [OT] Digital TV
In-Reply-To: <45a88bbd0905030653w2b8ee9a5ta6fb02a8fd490f8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1406586407.1226361241327420349.JavaMail.root@dial-mailstore2.drake.edu>
	<bfffc7a70905030527rd23091fg8ec79d0081062b0e@mail.gmail.com>
	<45a88bbd0905030653w2b8ee9a5ta6fb02a8fd490f8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0C42FC22D9143A4FA9FA3FC2EF5CFA072098198423@MSGCMSV21015.ent.wfb.bank.corp>

We live between South Ridge Mall and Indianola.  We have a good antenna, intended to be roof mounted, hanging in out attic.  A rough description would be it looks like a fish skeleton with an alligator jaw on it.  We bought a converter box with a coupon and got OK readings.  40s and 50s.  We're told now that they should have been much higher, considering we're on a hilltop and have a direct line of sight to the towers.

I took the antenna down and we had spray on expanding foam insulation applied to the inside of our attic roof and the end walls of the attic.

I put the antenna back up about 8 hours after I took it down and the TV reception went to pot, both analog and digital.  Channel 13 is in the 30s and the rest are from 10 to 20, and below 10 or so the signal drops out and can't be decoded.  I've replaced the coax from the antenna to the TV.

Everyone is telling us that the insulation shouldn't have made any difference and nobody can tell us why it did.  If anybody has any clues I'd be glad to have help figuring this out.

There is a 4 way splitter in the living room with one line going to each of the two DTV boxes, one to the VCR, and one to the TV.  Each of the DTV boxes connects to the VCR with the 3 cable method, left and right audio and video, plugging into Line In 1 and 2 on the VCR.  Line Out from the VCR goes to the TV with another triad of wires.  That way I can record up to two channels without having to reset the DTV boxes.  There doesn't seem to be any way to get the VCR to change the channel on the DTV box, nor power it off and on, but that's another issue.

13 is the only digital channel we can receive well enough to be satisfactory.  The others are bad to worse.

I'm figuring I'll have to move the antenna to the roof.  How does one ground the antenna so that lightening doesn't get transferred to the DTV box / VCR / TV etc.?


Murray McKee
Operating Systems Engineer
WFFIS - Wells Fargo Financial Information Systems
800 Walnut Street
MAC F4030-037
Des Moines, IA 50309-3605
WORK (515)557-6127 Cell (NEW) (515) 343-6630  FAX (515) 557-6046
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________________________________
From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Heiselman
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 8:54 AM
To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
Subject: Re: [Cialug] [OT] Digital TV

I first bought a digital antenna from Best Buy (http://www.amazon.com/Terk-Low-Profile-Indoor-Antenna-TV5/dp/B000069106).  I got around 70-80% signal strength.  It seemed okay, but it would cut out very frequently.  Then I watched a segment on Make: Television about building your own (http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/01/maker_workshop_pdf_dtv_antenna.html).  With this new antenna mounted in my attic, I now get 90-100% signal strength except for Fox which comes in around 85.  I also put the antenna feed into a splitter/combiner and combined it with the cable from the Mediacom feed (I am not a subscriber, but the feed is still attached to the signal tap outside my house).  This then feeds into my TV.  This seems to have seriously stabilized the signal.

http://www.antennaweb.org is a great resources for helping you decide on a type of antenna and how to point a directional antenna.
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From dave at 58ghz.net  Mon May  4 13:13:38 2009
From: dave at 58ghz.net (Dave J. Hala Jr.)
Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 13:13:38 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] [OT] Digital TV
In-Reply-To: <0C42FC22D9143A4FA9FA3FC2EF5CFA072098198423@MSGCMSV21015.ent.wfb.bank.corp>
References: <1406586407.1226361241327420349.JavaMail.root@dial-mailstore2.drake.edu>
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Look at your cabling and connectors. Generally computer people are not
precise enough with cabling and connectors when they start working with
UHF/VHF/RF... You need a perfect crimp, a perfect connect and no loose
strands hanging out. Generally speaking, soldered connectors or
manufactured cables are better. 

If it worked and you disconnected it, then put it back and now it
doesn't perform as well I'd look at antenna orientation and then
connectors.

n Mon, 2009-05-04 at 12:33 -0500, murraymckee at wellsfargo.com wrote:
> We live between South Ridge Mall and Indianola.  We have a good
> antenna, intended to be roof mounted, hanging in out attic.  A rough
> description would be it looks like a fish skeleton with an alligator
> jaw on it.  We bought a converter box with a coupon and got OK
> readings.  40s and 50s.  We?re told now that they should have been
> much higher, considering we?re on a hilltop and have a direct line of
> sight to the towers.  
> 
>  
> 
> I took the antenna down and we had spray on expanding foam insulation
> applied to the inside of our attic roof and the end walls of the
> attic.  
> 
>  
> 
> I put the antenna back up about 8 hours after I took it down and the
> TV reception went to pot, both analog and digital.  Channel 13 is in
> the 30s and the rest are from 10 to 20, and below 10 or so the signal
> drops out and can?t be decoded.  I?ve replaced the coax from the
> antenna to the TV.
> 
>  
> 
> Everyone is telling us that the insulation shouldn?t have made any
> difference and nobody can tell us why it did.  If anybody has any
> clues I?d be glad to have help figuring this out.
> 
>  
> 
> There is a 4 way splitter in the living room with one line going to
> each of the two DTV boxes, one to the VCR, and one to the TV.  Each of
> the DTV boxes connects to the VCR with the 3 cable method, left and
> right audio and video, plugging into Line In 1 and 2 on the VCR.  Line
> Out from the VCR goes to the TV with another triad of wires.  That way
> I can record up to two channels without having to reset the DTV boxes.
> There doesn?t seem to be any way to get the VCR to change the channel
> on the DTV box, nor power it off and on, but that?s another issue.  
> 
>  
> 
> 13 is the only digital channel we can receive well enough to be
> satisfactory.  The others are bad to worse.
> 
>  
> 
> I?m figuring I?ll have to move the antenna to the roof.  How does one
> ground the antenna so that lightening doesn?t get transferred to the
> DTV box / VCR / TV etc.?
> 
>  
> 
> Murray McKee
> Operating Systems Engineer
> WFFIS - Wells Fargo Financial Information Systems 
> 800 Walnut Street
> MAC F4030-037
> Des Moines, IA 50309-3605
> WORK (515)557-6127 Cell (NEW) (515) 343-6630  FAX (515) 557-6046
> MurrayMcKee at WellsFargo.com 
> "This message may contain confidential and / or privileged
> information.  If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive
> this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any
> action based on this message or any information herein.  If you have
> received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately
> by reply e-mail and delete this message.  Thank you for your
> cooperation."
> 
> 
>                                    
> ______________________________________________________________________
> From:cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On
> Behalf Of Jerry Heiselman
> Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 8:54 AM
> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] [OT] Digital TV
> 
> 
>  
> 
> I first bought a digital antenna from Best Buy
> (http://www.amazon.com/Terk-Low-Profile-Indoor-Antenna-TV5/dp/B000069106).  I got around 70-80% signal strength.  It seemed okay, but it would cut out very frequently.  Then I watched a segment on Make: Television about building your own (http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/01/maker_workshop_pdf_dtv_antenna.html).  With this new antenna mounted in my attic, I now get 90-100% signal strength except for Fox which comes in around 85.  I also put the antenna feed into a splitter/combiner and combined it with the cable from the Mediacom feed (I am not a subscriber, but the feed is still attached to the signal tap outside my house).  This then feeds into my TV.  This seems to have seriously stabilized the signal.
> 
>  
> 
> 
> http://www.antennaweb.org is a great resources for helping you decide
> on a type of antenna and how to point a directional antenna.
> 
> 
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> Cialug at cialug.org
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From zach at kotlarek.com  Mon May  4 14:15:20 2009
From: zach at kotlarek.com (Zachary Kotlarek)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 14:15:20 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] [OT] Digital TV
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On May 4, 2009, at 12:33 PM, <murraymckee at wellsfargo.com> <murraymckee at wellsfargo.com 
 > wrote:

> There is a 4 way splitter in the living room with one line going to  
> each of the two DTV boxes, one to the VCR, and one to the TV.


I am not a radio engineer, but my (non-DTV) experience fighting with a  
roof-mounted rotary UHF mast suggests that 4 legs without an amp is  
probably optimistic -- RG-6 has a loss of about 1 dB per 20 feet, and  
a 4-way splitter likely has a loss of 7-8 dB. You might consider  
replacing the splitter with a distribution amp or adding a pre-amp to  
the antenna feed.


> How does one ground the antenna so that lightening doesn?t get  
> transferred to the DTV box / VCR / TV etc.?


Start with a grounding block between the antenna and the entrance to  
your house -- a grounding block is essentially a female-female coax  
gender-changer where the shield is tied to a screw:
	http://www.sadoun.com/Sat/Products/Accessories/RECDSV70.jpg

Attach that screw to a standard ground rod (or other suitable  
grounding device) as close to the antenna as is practicable using a  
heavy gauge wire with no small-radius turns -- essentially the same  
procedure you'd use for a lightning rod. I believe the NEC always says  
you should connect the new ground rod to your breaker box, and I'm  
sure there are other rules about wire and antenna placement that you  
should follow if you want to do things right.

	Zach

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From murraymckee at wellsfargo.com  Mon May  4 15:02:25 2009
From: murraymckee at wellsfargo.com (murraymckee at wellsfargo.com)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 15:02:25 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] [OT] Digital TV
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I am using all commercially made (crimped, not soldered) cables.  I've spent hours checking the signal levels and adjusting the orientation in the attic and rechecking the signal levels.  The one thing I discovered was that if the antenna pole touches the insulation the reception gets worse.  The pole is 2" PVC pipe attached with a bracket to a ceiling joist.  When I installed it to make changing the orientation easier reception got worse.  IT was non existent for digital and unusable for analog.  I had been holding the antenna up with monofilament fishing line before that.  I'd lengthened and shortened the monofilament loops and moved the support screws often enough that it got to be too much of a hassle so I did something else.  I had it pushed up to the insulation to keep from bumping into the bottom of it, but as I turned the antenna back and forth the pipe slid down and the reception went back to where it was.  I was about to go back to the monofilament.

Murray McKee 
Operating Systems Engineer
WFFIS - Wells Fargo Financial Information Systems 
800 Walnut Street
MAC F4030-037
Des Moines, IA 50309-3605
WORK (515)557-6127 Cell (NEW) (515) 343-6630  FAX (515) 557-6046
MurrayMcKee at WellsFargo.com 
"This message may contain confidential and / or privileged information.  If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein.  If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message.  Thank you for your cooperation."
-----Original Message-----
From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Dave J. Hala Jr.
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 1:14 PM
To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
Subject: Re: [Cialug] [OT] Digital TV

Look at your cabling and connectors. Generally computer people are not
precise enough with cabling and connectors when they start working with
UHF/VHF/RF... You need a perfect crimp, a perfect connect and no loose
strands hanging out. Generally speaking, soldered connectors or
manufactured cables are better. 

If it worked and you disconnected it, then put it back and now it
doesn't perform as well I'd look at antenna orientation and then
connectors.


From murraymckee at wellsfargo.com  Mon May  4 15:10:14 2009
From: murraymckee at wellsfargo.com (murraymckee at wellsfargo.com)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 15:10:14 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] [OT] Digital TV
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It is 100' of line across the attic, down to the basement, across the basement ceiling, and back up to the living room.

I've heard of amplified antennas but not of amps in the line from a standard antenna.  Where does one look for them?  I've talked to both Best Buy and Radio Shack about the problem and they suggested the amplified antenna, but putting it in the living room, not in the attic.  It would seem to me to make more sense to put it in the attic. 

There is a lightening arrester cable coming down the gable of the roof a few feet from where I anticipate bringing the coax cable into the attic.  I could jumper from the block over to that.  I'll have to recheck where it goes into the ground.  I haven't looked at it intentionally in years.  

I have a cell phone tower not too far from the house and I expect it will attract the vast majority of the lightening in the area so I expect my house will be pretty safe, but I don't want to loose all my electrical equipment just to prove a point.

Murray McKee 
Operating Systems Engineer
WFFIS - Wells Fargo Financial Information Systems 
800 Walnut Street
MAC F4030-037
Des Moines, IA 50309-3605
WORK (515)557-6127 Cell (NEW) (515) 343-6630  FAX (515) 557-6046
MurrayMcKee at WellsFargo.com 
"This message may contain confidential and / or privileged information.  If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein.  If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message.  Thank you for your cooperation."

-----Original Message-----
From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Zachary Kotlarek
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 2:15 PM
To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
Subject: Re: [Cialug] [OT] Digital TV


On May 4, 2009, at 12:33 PM, <murraymckee at wellsfargo.com> <murraymckee at wellsfargo.com 
 > wrote:

> There is a 4 way splitter in the living room with one line going to  
> each of the two DTV boxes, one to the VCR, and one to the TV.


I am not a radio engineer, but my (non-DTV) experience fighting with a  
roof-mounted rotary UHF mast suggests that 4 legs without an amp is  
probably optimistic -- RG-6 has a loss of about 1 dB per 20 feet, and  
a 4-way splitter likely has a loss of 7-8 dB. You might consider  
replacing the splitter with a distribution amp or adding a pre-amp to  
the antenna feed.


> How does one ground the antenna so that lightening doesn't get  
> transferred to the DTV box / VCR / TV etc.?


Start with a grounding block between the antenna and the entrance to  
your house -- a grounding block is essentially a female-female coax  
gender-changer where the shield is tied to a screw:
	http://www.sadoun.com/Sat/Products/Accessories/RECDSV70.jpg

Attach that screw to a standard ground rod (or other suitable  
grounding device) as close to the antenna as is practicable using a  
heavy gauge wire with no small-radius turns -- essentially the same  
procedure you'd use for a lightning rod. I believe the NEC always says  
you should connect the new ground rod to your breaker box, and I'm  
sure there are other rules about wire and antenna placement that you  
should follow if you want to do things right.

	Zach


From zach at kotlarek.com  Mon May  4 15:33:24 2009
From: zach at kotlarek.com (Zachary Kotlarek)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 15:33:24 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] [OT] Digital TV
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On May 4, 2009, at 3:10 PM, <murraymckee at wellsfargo.com> <murraymckee at wellsfargo.com 
 > wrote:

> I've heard of amplified antennas but not of amps in the line from a  
> standard antenna.  Where does one look for them?  I've talked to  
> both Best Buy and Radio Shack about the problem and they suggested  
> the amplified antenna, but putting it in the living room, not in the  
> attic.  It would seem to me to make more sense to put it in the attic.


I'm not making any specific recommendation for this product, but this  
is what I'm talking about:
	http://www.amazon.com/foo/dp/B0018CDGEQ
Alternatively I've had this one recommended to me, though I've never  
personally tried it:
	http://www.amazon.com/foo/dp/B000GGKOG8

In a pre-amp you're looking for something with a noise rating as low  
as possible -- 3-4 dB is acceptable, 2 dB is very good, lower is  
better. The last one I bought was some no-name box from Menards with  
with a 2.4 dB noise rating, and it seems to work fine.

--

If you have enough signal from the antenna and are just fighting cable/ 
splitter losses you might do better with one of these:
	http://www.amazon.com/foo/dp/B001PI09SE/

If you're not sure which problem you have you might check to see if  
you can get decent reception with a short, non-split cable running  
directly from the antenna to a TV. I know that's not trivial with an  
attic antenna, but it's worth checking if you can.

--

For both amp type it's worth considering how they are powered -- it  
can be a real pain to find an outlet for a wall-wart in the attic, so  
many but not all amps provide the option to inject power via coax,  
allowing you to put the power brick someplace else. If you don't have  
ready access to AC power in your attic I'd be sure to check for such a  
system.

	Zach

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From tim_linux at wilson-home.com  Mon May  4 15:38:06 2009
From: tim_linux at wilson-home.com (Tim Wilson)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 15:38:06 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] [OT] Digital TV
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On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 3:10 PM, <murraymckee at wellsfargo.com> wrote:

> It is 100' of line across the attic, down to the basement, across the
> basement ceiling, and back up to the living room.
>
> I've heard of amplified antennas but not of amps in the line from a
> standard antenna.  Where does one look for them?  I've talked to both Best
> Buy and Radio Shack about the problem and they suggested the amplified
> antenna, but putting it in the living room, not in the attic.  It would seem
> to me to make more sense to put it in the attic.


I bought a line amplifier years ago from Radio Shack.  In my setup, my
downstairs Tivo feeds multiple TVs.  I use the house TV cable for that.
Instead of plugging that into the "in", I hook it up to the "out".  Of
course, with feeding more than 1 TV and having a run of more than a few
feet, I decided to amplify the signal.  And yes, I amplify the signal as
close to the origination as possible.


>
> There is a lightening arrester cable coming down the gable of the roof a
> few feet from where I anticipate bringing the coax cable into the attic.  I
> could jumper from the block over to that.  I'll have to recheck where it
> goes into the ground.  I haven't looked at it intentionally in years.
>
> I have a cell phone tower not too far from the house and I expect it will
> attract the vast majority of the lightening in the area so I expect my house
> will be pretty safe, but I don't want to loose all my electrical equipment
> just to prove a point.


I've heard that what you have to protect against the most is not lightning,
but static electricity.  Wind blowing particles across the antenna can build
up static electricity, which will travel down the wire and into your
sensitive components.  I've had installers tell me that if (in my case) the
dish were to get a direct strike, the lightning would likely travel the
cable, regardless of grounding.  I don't know if that's true, but more than
one person has told me this.  My guess is that in the case of a direct
strike, enough electricity would still flow through the cable to fry
components.

I've also heard to put a gentle curve in the cable coming down from the
antenna similar to a drip curve.  The thought is, lightning (or at least
some of it) will travel in a straight line, and will not follow the curve.
Again, nothing to back this up, but if you're trying to protect your
components, does it really hurt anything?


>
>
> Murray McKee
> Operating Systems Engineer
> WFFIS - Wells Fargo Financial Information Systems
> 800 Walnut Street
> MAC F4030-037
> Des Moines, IA 50309-3605
> WORK (515)557-6127 Cell (NEW) (515) 343-6630  FAX (515) 557-6046
> MurrayMcKee at WellsFargo.com
> "This message may contain confidential and / or privileged information.  If
> you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee,
> you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message
> or any information herein.  If you have received this message in error,
> please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this
> message.  Thank you for your cooperation."
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On
> Behalf Of Zachary Kotlarek
> Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 2:15 PM
> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] [OT] Digital TV
>
>
> On May 4, 2009, at 12:33 PM, <murraymckee at wellsfargo.com> <
> murraymckee at wellsfargo.com
>  > wrote:
>
> > There is a 4 way splitter in the living room with one line going to
> > each of the two DTV boxes, one to the VCR, and one to the TV.
>
>
> I am not a radio engineer, but my (non-DTV) experience fighting with a
> roof-mounted rotary UHF mast suggests that 4 legs without an amp is
> probably optimistic -- RG-6 has a loss of about 1 dB per 20 feet, and
> a 4-way splitter likely has a loss of 7-8 dB. You might consider
> replacing the splitter with a distribution amp or adding a pre-amp to
> the antenna feed.
>
>
> > How does one ground the antenna so that lightening doesn't get
> > transferred to the DTV box / VCR / TV etc.?
>
>
> Start with a grounding block between the antenna and the entrance to
> your house -- a grounding block is essentially a female-female coax
> gender-changer where the shield is tied to a screw:
>        http://www.sadoun.com/Sat/Products/Accessories/RECDSV70.jpg
>
> Attach that screw to a standard ground rod (or other suitable
> grounding device) as close to the antenna as is practicable using a
> heavy gauge wire with no small-radius turns -- essentially the same
> procedure you'd use for a lightning rod. I believe the NEC always says
> you should connect the new ground rod to your breaker box, and I'm
> sure there are other rules about wire and antenna placement that you
> should follow if you want to do things right.
>
>        Zach
>
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From dan at cpugeek.org  Mon May  4 15:43:27 2009
From: dan at cpugeek.org (Dan Schlichting)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 15:43:27 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] help with reinstalling windows
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The easy way to do it is to start with Windows and then put linux on it.

Linux will then set the boot loader up properly.

Dan

On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 9:37 AM, <jrnosee at gmail.com> wrote:

> If you're gonna monkey around with dual boot I recommend you go download
> and burn a copy of Super Grub Disk (google it).  That disk has saved me a
> LOT of headaches in setting up/fixing dual boot.
>
>
> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Ralph Kessel <ralphkessel75 at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I've just purchased a new hard drive to reinstall my Windows Vista. I've
>> > just updated to Ubuntu 9.0 without any problems and like it very well.
>> My
>> > question is how to reinstall windows without destroying my Ubuntu boot
>> > connection? Do I just use the boot facitlity of my BIOS?  I'm just
>> trying to
>> > verify that I don't muck my system up again.  I differ to your
>> experience.
>>
>> If you just wnt to use Windows for a few programs like quicken, MS
>> office or some business-type application then you may want to consider
>> virtualization. Install VirtualBox and then follow the instructions to
>> install Windows Vista in Virtual Box. You can then run Windows and
>> Ubuntu at the same time. This won't work if you are hoping to use 3d
>> applications like games.
>>
>> A picture may explain the end-result a little better:
>> http://code.bearfruit.org/~matt/tmp/moviemaker.png<http://code.bearfruit.org/%7Ematt/tmp/moviemaker.png>
>>
>> Get VirtualBox for free from http://www.virtualbox.org
>>
>> --
>> Matthew Nuzum
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From zach at kotlarek.com  Mon May  4 15:49:41 2009
From: zach at kotlarek.com (Zachary Kotlarek)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 15:49:41 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] [OT] Digital TV
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On May 4, 2009, at 3:38 PM, Tim Wilson wrote:

> 've heard that what you have to protect against the most is not  
> lightning, but static electricity.  Wind blowing particles across  
> the antenna can build up static electricity, which will travel down  
> the wire and into your sensitive components.  I've had installers  
> tell me that if (in my case) the dish were to get a direct strike,  
> the lightning would likely travel the cable, regardless of  
> grounding.  I don't know if that's true, but more than one person  
> has told me this.  My guess is that in the case of a direct strike,  
> enough electricity would still flow through the cable to fry  
> components.


I think that's probably true -- there's a good chance a direct strike  
will blow out your electronics no matter what. But hopefully you can  
mitigate the damage and go from "my VCR exploded and started the house  
on fire" to "the VCR blew a few capacitors and needs to be replaced".  
And there's certainly a better chance your equipment will survive if  
the line is properly grounded than if it's not.


> I've also heard to put a gentle curve in the cable coming down from  
> the antenna similar to a drip curve.  The thought is, lightning (or  
> at least some of it) will travel in a straight line, and will not  
> follow the curve.


That's about inductance. You're supposed to install grounding wires  
with no small-radius turns to minimize the inductance of the grounding  
path. There's a very large, near-instantaneous current change related  
to a lightning strike, so even minor curves can have a large impact on  
the effectiveness of a grounding wire. There's probably some benefit  
to adding inductance to the signal wire, but I don't know that it  
would provide any practical amount of protection beyond the existing  
high impedance of the signal path versus the grounding path.

	Zach

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From tim_linux at wilson-home.com  Mon May  4 16:59:17 2009
From: tim_linux at wilson-home.com (Tim Wilson)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 16:59:17 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] [OT] Digital TV
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On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Zachary Kotlarek <zach at kotlarek.com> wrote:

>
> On May 4, 2009, at 3:38 PM, Tim Wilson wrote:
>
>  've heard that what you have to protect against the most is not lightning,
>> but static electricity.  Wind blowing particles across the antenna can build
>> up static electricity, which will travel down the wire and into your
>> sensitive components.  I've had installers tell me that if (in my case) the
>> dish were to get a direct strike, the lightning would likely travel the
>> cable, regardless of grounding.  I don't know if that's true, but more than
>> one person has told me this.  My guess is that in the case of a direct
>> strike, enough electricity would still flow through the cable to fry
>> components.
>>
>
>
> I think that's probably true -- there's a good chance a direct strike will
> blow out your electronics no matter what. But hopefully you can mitigate the
> damage and go from "my VCR exploded and started the house on fire" to "the
> VCR blew a few capacitors and needs to be replaced". And there's certainly a
> better chance your equipment will survive if the line is properly grounded
> than if it's not.


Oh yeah, I'm definitely for grounding, I'm just saying that a lightning
strike could still take out your equipment.  Don't count on nearby objects
attracting the lightning.  There still might be enough of a charge left in
the air to zap your gadgets.



>
>
>
>  I've also heard to put a gentle curve in the cable coming down from the
>> antenna similar to a drip curve.  The thought is, lightning (or at least
>> some of it) will travel in a straight line, and will not follow the curve.
>>
>
>
> That's about inductance. You're supposed to install grounding wires with no
> small-radius turns to minimize the inductance of the grounding path. There's
> a very large, near-instantaneous current change related to a lightning
> strike, so even minor curves can have a large impact on the effectiveness of
> a grounding wire. There's probably some benefit to adding inductance to the
> signal wire, but I don't know that it would provide any practical amount of
> protection beyond the existing high impedance of the signal path versus the
> grounding path.


I was meaning a curve in the actual cable, not the grounding wire.  Like a
half-loop, where the cable comes down, and curves back up with a gentle
radius.  But I guess the same could work for grounding wires.


>
>        Zach
>
>
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From mrdovey at iedu.com  Mon May  4 17:32:12 2009
From: mrdovey at iedu.com (Morris Dovey)
Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 17:32:12 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] [OT] Digital TV
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murraymckee at wellsfargo.com wrote:

> There is a lightening arrester cable coming down the gable of the
> roof a few feet from where I anticipate bringing the coax cable into
> the attic.  I could jumper from the block over to that.  I'll have to
> recheck where it goes into the ground.  I haven't looked at it
> intentionally in years.

I'd suggest separate cables to separate grounds with as much separation 
as you can manage between the cables, so that a strike to one doesn't 
necessarily kill everything attached to the other. It's not for sure 
that it'll work as intended, but it seems like a good idea to stack the 
deck as best you can.

-- 
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

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From tim_linux at wilson-home.com  Mon May  4 19:52:07 2009
From: tim_linux at wilson-home.com (Tim Wilson)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 19:52:07 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] FF extension shenanigans
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On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:

> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Tim Wilson <tim_linux at wilson-home.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> MS shenanigans too - .net 3.5 service pack 1 installs a firefox
> >> extension with no prompting or opt-out-ability, and with no add-ons
> >> window uninstall option
> >>
> >> http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/article08-600
> >
> > I hate it when you're right.  I just checked my Addons and sure enough,
> it's
> > there.  And we're doing some .NET stuff at work, so I kinda need it.
> Stupid
> > M$!  I wonder if that's the cause of the instability I've had lately.
> >
>
> The wikipedia page on this "feature" does not read like it's written
> from a neutral pov but despite that, it sounds like a java web-start
> type of feature. Can anyone confirm if this capability is as
> problematic as some of the nay-sayers indicate?


Well here's my issue with it.  Sure, I blame MS for doing something so
underhanded, but I think Mozilla has some blame too.  After reading the
article, I decided to "uninstall" it.  In order to do this, you have to go
into the registry.  Yep, that's right, Firefox has a hook that allows you to
install an extension that is in the registry, and can't be uninstalled by
regular means.  So yeah, I'd consider that to be bad.


>
> --
> Matthew Nuzum
> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
> _______________________________________________
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From newz at bearfruit.org  Tue May  5 08:33:52 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 08:33:52 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] FF extension shenanigans
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On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Tim Wilson <tim_linux at wilson-home.com> wrote:
> Well here's my issue with it.? Sure, I blame MS for doing something so
> underhanded, but I think Mozilla has some blame too.? After reading the
> article, I decided to "uninstall" it.? In order to do this, you have to go
> into the registry.? Yep, that's right, Firefox has a hook that allows you to
> install an extension that is in the registry, and can't be uninstalled by
> regular means.? So yeah, I'd consider that to be bad.
>

Is it that Mozilla wants it to be hard to remove or is it because Mozilla

  a: Provides a way to install extensions system-wide and
  b: Expects operating system vendors to provide an uninstall capability because
  c: It doesn't know anything about .debs or .rpms or .msis

I know in Ubuntu there is the ubufox extension which hooks into
synaptic to install and remove system wide extensions. Therefore if
you had the same problem in Ubuntu, imho, it wouldn't be mozilla's
fault, it'd be Ubuntu's.

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter

From tim_linux at wilson-home.com  Tue May  5 10:16:06 2009
From: tim_linux at wilson-home.com (Tim Wilson)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 10:16:06 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] FF extension shenanigans
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On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:

> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Tim Wilson <tim_linux at wilson-home.com>
> wrote:
> > Well here's my issue with it.  Sure, I blame MS for doing something so
> > underhanded, but I think Mozilla has some blame too.  After reading the
> > article, I decided to "uninstall" it.  In order to do this, you have to
> go
> > into the registry.  Yep, that's right, Firefox has a hook that allows you
> to
> > install an extension that is in the registry, and can't be uninstalled by
> > regular means.  So yeah, I'd consider that to be bad.
> >
>
> Is it that Mozilla wants it to be hard to remove or is it because Mozilla
>
>  a: Provides a way to install extensions system-wide and
>  b: Expects operating system vendors to provide an uninstall capability
> because
>  c: It doesn't know anything about .debs or .rpms or .msis
>
> I know in Ubuntu there is the ubufox extension which hooks into
> synaptic to install and remove system wide extensions. Therefore if
> you had the same problem in Ubuntu, imho, it wouldn't be mozilla's
> fault, it'd be Ubuntu's.


True, I just have a problem with it being installed in the registry.  There
is an extensions folder in C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox.  Why not put it
there?  I think the uninstall issue is because it's in the registry.
 Besides, currently there aren't any viruses/malware for Ubuntu (none that I
know of, anyway).  A piece of malware could be downloaded and install itself
as an extension in the registry, and the user would be "unable" to uninstall
it.  This just seems very bad to me.


>
> --
> Matthew Nuzum
> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
> _______________________________________________
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From tim_linux at wilson-home.com  Tue May  5 10:22:47 2009
From: tim_linux at wilson-home.com (Tim Wilson)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 10:22:47 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Open source alternative to Crystal Reports?
Message-ID: <5a9568c20905050822l62b477f5l430fce7179f6fb1@mail.gmail.com>

The company I work for is looking for an external reporting engine.
 Initially we looked at Crystal Reports, but unfortunately it looks like it
is Windows only.  One key point is it would have to allow us to redistribute
the report generator.  Our staff and our customers will be creating reports.
 For the reports that we create and send to our customers, they will need a
way to actually run the report.  That would probably mean a redistributable
executable that reads the report format file(s), reads the database, and
generates the desired report.  Are there any open source alternatives to
Crystal?

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From morej at alliancetechnologies.net  Tue May  5 10:25:05 2009
From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More)
Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 10:25:05 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Open source alternative to Crystal Reports?
Message-ID: <4A0014010200002E00033767@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>

I've heard good things about JasperSoft.  http://www.jaspersoft.com/



-Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC 
 morej at alliancetechnologies.net 
 515-245-7701

>>> Tim Wilson <tim_linux at wilson-home.com> 05/05/09 10:22 AM >>>
The company I work for is looking for an external reporting engine. 
Initially we looked at Crystal Reports, but unfortunately it looks like
it is Windows only.  One key point is it would have to allow us to
redistribute the report generator.  Our staff and our customers will be
creating reports.  For the reports that we create and send to our
customers, they will need a way to actually run the report.  That would
probably mean a redistributable executable that reads the report format
file(s), reads the database, and generates the desired report.  Are
there any open source alternatives to Crystal?

-- 
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From daniel.ramaley at drake.edu  Tue May  5 10:39:37 2009
From: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu (Daniel A. Ramaley)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 10:39:37 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] [OT] Digital TV
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Thanks for the discussion about DTV the past few days.

Right now i don't own any sort of antenna. (Since i've subscribed to 
cable in the past, i've not needed one.) If i can build or buy an 
antenna for less than $100 and cancel Mediacom, the antenna will have 
paid for itself in less than 4 months. It sounds like it won't be 
difficult to build one with a much smaller budget than that, so it is 
worth trying. First i'll try the the *really* cheap route of getting a 
300/75 ohm adapter and a coat hanger. I probably already have an 
adapter in my toolbox that i've forgotten about, and i certainly have a 
coat hanger that could be sacrificed...

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dan Ramaley                            Dial Center 118, Drake University
Network Programmer/Analyst             2407 Carpenter Ave
+1 515 271-4540                        Des Moines IA 50311 USA

From dave at dchamp.net  Tue May  5 10:49:51 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 10:49:51 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] [OT] Digital TV
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That's what I used for at one time for my ghetto TV setup - a VCR with 
the home-made coat hanger antenna, and my C64 monitor. Of course, that 
was long before DTV. :)

I got the letter from Mediacom as well, telling what channels will be 
digital - I have Family Basic (thru channel 78). I'm glad to see most of 
the channels I'm interested in will be digital - SciFi, Speed, 
Discovery... but I understand the concern for those of you with analog 
PVR's.

-dc

Daniel A. Ramaley wrote:
> Thanks for the discussion about DTV the past few days.
>
> Right now i don't own any sort of antenna. (Since i've subscribed to 
> cable in the past, i've not needed one.) If i can build or buy an 
> antenna for less than $100 and cancel Mediacom, the antenna will have 
> paid for itself in less than 4 months. It sounds like it won't be 
> difficult to build one with a much smaller budget than that, so it is 
> worth trying. First i'll try the the *really* cheap route of getting a 
> 300/75 ohm adapter and a coat hanger. I probably already have an 
> adapter in my toolbox that i've forgotten about, and i certainly have a 
> coat hanger that could be sacrificed...
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Dan Ramaley                            Dial Center 118, Drake University
> Network Programmer/Analyst             2407 Carpenter Ave
> +1 515 271-4540                        Des Moines IA 50311 USA
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From icepuck2k at mchsi.com  Thu May  7 21:30:59 2009
From: icepuck2k at mchsi.com (Dan Hockey)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 21:30:59 -0500
Subject: [Cialug]  Blocking
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Message-ID: <B9A47C53E41D4C3EA8A5B11D3B22CDFD@toshibauser>

I have a netgear router that has abilities to block sites based on key words
or address'. The problem is when I turn on this it blocks these sites to
every one. I would like to block access to sites based on ip address, so a
certain niece can't get to those sites with her computer. Are there any
routers can do something like this or do I set a linux box to do it.
-dh  


From nfox at foxmediasystems.com  Thu May  7 21:36:40 2009
From: nfox at foxmediasystems.com (Nick Fox)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 21:36:40 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Blocking
In-Reply-To: <B9A47C53E41D4C3EA8A5B11D3B22CDFD@toshibauser>
References: <1406586407.1226361241327420349.JavaMail.root@dial-mailstore2.drake.edu><bfffc7a70905030527rd23091fg8ec79d0081062b0e@mail.gmail.com><45a88bbd0905030653w2b8ee9a5ta6fb02a8fd490f8@mail.gmail.com><0C42FC22D9143A4FA9FA3FC2EF5CFA072098198423@MSGCMSV21015.ent.wfb.bank.corp><616F1663-C29A-4A81-B5B3-65035EAAA3D4@kotlarek.com><0C42FC22D9143A4FA9FA3FC2EF5CFA0720981991F5@MSGCMSV21015.ent.wfb.bank.corp>	<19FE5631-F75C-4638-8F6E-C1F3A935835D@kotlarek.com>
	<B9A47C53E41D4C3EA8A5B11D3B22CDFD@toshibauser>
Message-ID: <4A039AB8.1020605@foxmediasystems.com>

Dan Hockey wrote:
> I have a netgear router that has abilities to block sites based on key words
> or address'. The problem is when I turn on this it blocks these sites to
> every one. I would like to block access to sites based on ip address, so a
> certain niece can't get to those sites with her computer. Are there any
> routers can do something like this or do I set a linux box to do it.
> -dh  
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>   
Fortinet Firewalls provide great success for such things. However if you 
are more inclined to free...you might consider Vyatta. If you do want to 
go the Fortinet route, contact me directly and I can help you with it.

-- 
Nick Fox

Fox Media Systems, LLC
Owner / President
1338 57th St.
Des Moines, IA 50311
www.foxmediasystems.com


From adk at 52761.com  Thu May  7 21:42:55 2009
From: adk at 52761.com (Allen Kiddoo)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 21:42:55 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Blocking
In-Reply-To: <4A039AB8.1020605@foxmediasystems.com>
References: <1406586407.1226361241327420349.JavaMail.root@dial-mailstore2.drake.edu>
	<bfffc7a70905030527rd23091fg8ec79d0081062b0e@mail.gmail.com>
	<45a88bbd0905030653w2b8ee9a5ta6fb02a8fd490f8@mail.gmail.com>
	<0C42FC22D9143A4FA9FA3FC2EF5CFA072098198423@MSGCMSV21015.ent.wfb.bank.corp>
	<616F1663-C29A-4A81-B5B3-65035EAAA3D4@kotlarek.com>
	<0C42FC22D9143A4FA9FA3FC2EF5CFA0720981991F5@MSGCMSV21015.ent.wfb.bank.corp>
	<19FE5631-F75C-4638-8F6E-C1F3A935835D@kotlarek.com>
	<B9A47C53E41D4C3EA8A5B11D3B22CDFD@toshibauser>
	<4A039AB8.1020605@foxmediasystems.com>
Message-ID: <678823f00905071942x2e21e7c5y4cc7c54013e3c8d5@mail.gmail.com>

Switch dns to opendns.com
Then get free account.
You can set filter rules there.

Allen Kiddoo
Ioway Record Printing Co.
316 West Third St.
Muscatine, IA 52761
563.263.7822 office
563.506.0446 mobile
Chat: Skype: akiddoo


On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Nick Fox <nfox at foxmediasystems.com> wrote:

> Dan Hockey wrote:
> > I have a netgear router that has abilities to block sites based on key
> words
> > or address'. The problem is when I turn on this it blocks these sites to
> > every one. I would like to block access to sites based on ip address, so
> a
> > certain niece can't get to those sites with her computer. Are there any
> > routers can do something like this or do I set a linux box to do it.
> > -dh
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cialug mailing list
> > Cialug at cialug.org
> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >
> Fortinet Firewalls provide great success for such things. However if you
> are more inclined to free...you might consider Vyatta. If you do want to
> go the Fortinet route, contact me directly and I can help you with it.
>
> --
> Nick Fox
>
> Fox Media Systems, LLC
> Owner / President
> 1338 57th St.
> Des Moines, IA 50311
> www.foxmediasystems.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
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From nfox at foxmediasystems.com  Thu May  7 21:44:21 2009
From: nfox at foxmediasystems.com (Nick Fox)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 21:44:21 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Blocking
In-Reply-To: <678823f00905071942x2e21e7c5y4cc7c54013e3c8d5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1406586407.1226361241327420349.JavaMail.root@dial-mailstore2.drake.edu>	<bfffc7a70905030527rd23091fg8ec79d0081062b0e@mail.gmail.com>	<45a88bbd0905030653w2b8ee9a5ta6fb02a8fd490f8@mail.gmail.com>	<0C42FC22D9143A4FA9FA3FC2EF5CFA072098198423@MSGCMSV21015.ent.wfb.bank.corp>	<616F1663-C29A-4A81-B5B3-65035EAAA3D4@kotlarek.com>	<0C42FC22D9143A4FA9FA3FC2EF5CFA0720981991F5@MSGCMSV21015.ent.wfb.bank.corp>	<19FE5631-F75C-4638-8F6E-C1F3A935835D@kotlarek.com>	<B9A47C53E41D4C3EA8A5B11D3B22CDFD@toshibauser>	<4A039AB8.1020605@foxmediasystems.com>
	<678823f00905071942x2e21e7c5y4cc7c54013e3c8d5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A039C85.7060800@foxmediasystems.com>

OpenDNS doesn't allowing filtering for private IPs does it?

-Nick

Allen Kiddoo wrote:
> Switch dns to opendns.com <http://opendns.com>
> Then get free account.
> You can set filter rules there.
>
> Allen Kiddoo
> Ioway Record Printing Co.
> 316 West Third St.
> Muscatine, IA 52761
> 563.263.7822 office
> 563.506.0446 mobile
> Chat: Skype: akiddoo
>
>
> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Nick Fox <nfox at foxmediasystems.com 
> <mailto:nfox at foxmediasystems.com>> wrote:
>
>     Dan Hockey wrote:
>     > I have a netgear router that has abilities to block sites based
>     on key words
>     > or address'. The problem is when I turn on this it blocks these
>     sites to
>     > every one. I would like to block access to sites based on ip
>     address, so a
>     > certain niece can't get to those sites with her computer. Are
>     there any
>     > routers can do something like this or do I set a linux box to do it.
>     > -dh
>     >
>     > _______________________________________________
>     > Cialug mailing list
>     > Cialug at cialug.org <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org>
>     > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>     >
>     Fortinet Firewalls provide great success for such things. However
>     if you
>     are more inclined to free...you might consider Vyatta. If you do
>     want to
>     go the Fortinet route, contact me directly and I can help you with it.
>
>     --
>     Nick Fox
>
>     Fox Media Systems, LLC
>     Owner / President
>     1338 57th St.
>     Des Moines, IA 50311
>     www.foxmediasystems.com <http://www.foxmediasystems.com>
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     Cialug mailing list
>     Cialug at cialug.org <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org>
>     http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>   


-- 
Nick Fox

Fox Media Systems, LLC
Owner / President
1338 57th St.
Des Moines, IA 50311
www.foxmediasystems.com


From adk at 52761.com  Thu May  7 21:50:51 2009
From: adk at 52761.com (Allen Kiddoo)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 21:50:51 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Blocking
In-Reply-To: <4A039C85.7060800@foxmediasystems.com>
References: <1406586407.1226361241327420349.JavaMail.root@dial-mailstore2.drake.edu>
	<45a88bbd0905030653w2b8ee9a5ta6fb02a8fd490f8@mail.gmail.com>
	<0C42FC22D9143A4FA9FA3FC2EF5CFA072098198423@MSGCMSV21015.ent.wfb.bank.corp>
	<616F1663-C29A-4A81-B5B3-65035EAAA3D4@kotlarek.com>
	<0C42FC22D9143A4FA9FA3FC2EF5CFA0720981991F5@MSGCMSV21015.ent.wfb.bank.corp>
	<19FE5631-F75C-4638-8F6E-C1F3A935835D@kotlarek.com>
	<B9A47C53E41D4C3EA8A5B11D3B22CDFD@toshibauser>
	<4A039AB8.1020605@foxmediasystems.com>
	<678823f00905071942x2e21e7c5y4cc7c54013e3c8d5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A039C85.7060800@foxmediasystems.com>
Message-ID: <678823f00905071950n3b248c30h2359d20c34e12a1e@mail.gmail.com>

I have read that schools and libraries use it to filter sites.

AK
Chat: Skype: akiddoo


On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Nick Fox <nfox at foxmediasystems.com> wrote:

> OpenDNS doesn't allowing filtering for private IPs does it?
>
> -Nick
>
> Allen Kiddoo wrote:
> > Switch dns to opendns.com <http://opendns.com>
> > Then get free account.
> > You can set filter rules there.
> >
> > Allen Kiddoo
> > Ioway Record Printing Co.
> > 316 West Third St.
> > Muscatine, IA 52761
> > 563.263.7822 office
> > 563.506.0446 mobile
> > Chat: Skype: akiddoo
> >
> >
> > On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Nick Fox <nfox at foxmediasystems.com
> > <mailto:nfox at foxmediasystems.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     Dan Hockey wrote:
> >     > I have a netgear router that has abilities to block sites based
> >     on key words
> >     > or address'. The problem is when I turn on this it blocks these
> >     sites to
> >     > every one. I would like to block access to sites based on ip
> >     address, so a
> >     > certain niece can't get to those sites with her computer. Are
> >     there any
> >     > routers can do something like this or do I set a linux box to do
> it.
> >     > -dh
> >     >
> >     > _______________________________________________
> >     > Cialug mailing list
> >     > Cialug at cialug.org <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org>
> >     > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >     >
> >     Fortinet Firewalls provide great success for such things. However
> >     if you
> >     are more inclined to free...you might consider Vyatta. If you do
> >     want to
> >     go the Fortinet route, contact me directly and I can help you with
> it.
> >
> >     --
> >     Nick Fox
> >
> >     Fox Media Systems, LLC
> >     Owner / President
> >     1338 57th St.
> >     Des Moines, IA 50311
> >     www.foxmediasystems.com <http://www.foxmediasystems.com>
> >
> >     _______________________________________________
> >     Cialug mailing list
> >     Cialug at cialug.org <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org>
> >     http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cialug mailing list
> > Cialug at cialug.org
> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >
>
>
> --
> Nick Fox
>
> Fox Media Systems, LLC
> Owner / President
> 1338 57th St.
> Des Moines, IA 50311
> www.foxmediasystems.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
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From nfox at foxmediasystems.com  Thu May  7 21:53:11 2009
From: nfox at foxmediasystems.com (Nick Fox)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 21:53:11 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Blocking
In-Reply-To: <678823f00905071950n3b248c30h2359d20c34e12a1e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1406586407.1226361241327420349.JavaMail.root@dial-mailstore2.drake.edu>	<45a88bbd0905030653w2b8ee9a5ta6fb02a8fd490f8@mail.gmail.com>	<0C42FC22D9143A4FA9FA3FC2EF5CFA072098198423@MSGCMSV21015.ent.wfb.bank.corp>	<616F1663-C29A-4A81-B5B3-65035EAAA3D4@kotlarek.com>	<0C42FC22D9143A4FA9FA3FC2EF5CFA0720981991F5@MSGCMSV21015.ent.wfb.bank.corp>	<19FE5631-F75C-4638-8F6E-C1F3A935835D@kotlarek.com>	<B9A47C53E41D4C3EA8A5B11D3B22CDFD@toshibauser>	<4A039AB8.1020605@foxmediasystems.com>	<678823f00905071942x2e21e7c5y4cc7c54013e3c8d5@mail.gmail.com>	<4A039C85.7060800@foxmediasystems.com>
	<678823f00905071950n3b248c30h2359d20c34e12a1e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A039E97.9010809@foxmediasystems.com>

This is true, but it is a global filter. OpenDNS cannot block based on 
your internal IP for a specific computer. Personally its not a bad idea 
to switch to OpenDNS anyhow. I did sometime ago. What is needed here is 
something that can handle web content filtering on a Private IP basis. 
While  am sure there are more options than Fortinet and Vyatta, they are 
two I am familiar with and have seen great results from.

-Nick

Allen Kiddoo wrote:
> I have read that schools and libraries use it to filter sites.
>
> AK
> Chat: Skype: akiddoo
>
>
> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Nick Fox <nfox at foxmediasystems.com 
> <mailto:nfox at foxmediasystems.com>> wrote:
>
>     OpenDNS doesn't allowing filtering for private IPs does it?
>
>     -Nick
>
>     Allen Kiddoo wrote:
>     > Switch dns to opendns.com <http://opendns.com> <http://opendns.com>
>     > Then get free account.
>     > You can set filter rules there.
>     >
>     > Allen Kiddoo
>     > Ioway Record Printing Co.
>     > 316 West Third St.
>     > Muscatine, IA 52761
>     > 563.263.7822 office
>     > 563.506.0446 mobile
>     > Chat: Skype: akiddoo
>     >
>     >
>     > On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Nick Fox
>     <nfox at foxmediasystems.com <mailto:nfox at foxmediasystems.com>
>     > <mailto:nfox at foxmediasystems.com
>     <mailto:nfox at foxmediasystems.com>>> wrote:
>     >
>     >     Dan Hockey wrote:
>     >     > I have a netgear router that has abilities to block sites
>     based
>     >     on key words
>     >     > or address'. The problem is when I turn on this it blocks
>     these
>     >     sites to
>     >     > every one. I would like to block access to sites based on ip
>     >     address, so a
>     >     > certain niece can't get to those sites with her computer. Are
>     >     there any
>     >     > routers can do something like this or do I set a linux box
>     to do it.
>     >     > -dh
>     >     >
>     >     > _______________________________________________
>     >     > Cialug mailing list
>     >     > Cialug at cialug.org <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org>
>     <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org>>
>     >     > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>     >     >
>     >     Fortinet Firewalls provide great success for such things.
>     However
>     >     if you
>     >     are more inclined to free...you might consider Vyatta. If you do
>     >     want to
>     >     go the Fortinet route, contact me directly and I can help
>     you with it.
>     >
>     >     --
>     >     Nick Fox
>     >
>     >     Fox Media Systems, LLC
>     >     Owner / President
>     >     1338 57th St.
>     >     Des Moines, IA 50311
>     >     www.foxmediasystems.com <http://www.foxmediasystems.com>
>     <http://www.foxmediasystems.com>
>     >
>     >     _______________________________________________
>     >     Cialug mailing list
>     >     Cialug at cialug.org <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org>
>     <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org>>
>     >     http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     >
>     > _______________________________________________
>     > Cialug mailing list
>     > Cialug at cialug.org <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org>
>     > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>     >
>
>
>     --
>     Nick Fox
>
>     Fox Media Systems, LLC
>     Owner / President
>     1338 57th St.
>     Des Moines, IA 50311
>     www.foxmediasystems.com <http://www.foxmediasystems.com>
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     Cialug mailing list
>     Cialug at cialug.org <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org>
>     http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>   


-- 
Nick Fox

Fox Media Systems, LLC
Owner / President
1338 57th St.
Des Moines, IA 50311
www.foxmediasystems.com


From icepuck2k at mchsi.com  Thu May  7 21:55:53 2009
From: icepuck2k at mchsi.com (Dan Hockey)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 21:55:53 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Blocking
In-Reply-To: <4A039C85.7060800@foxmediasystems.com>
References: <1406586407.1226361241327420349.JavaMail.root@dial-mailstore2.drake.edu>	<bfffc7a70905030527rd23091fg8ec79d0081062b0e@mail.gmail.com>	<45a88bbd0905030653w2b8ee9a5ta6fb02a8fd490f8@mail.gmail.com>	<0C42FC22D9143A4FA9FA3FC2EF5CFA072098198423@MSGCMSV21015.ent.wfb.bank.corp>	<616F1663-C29A-4A81-B5B3-65035EAAA3D4@kotlarek.com>	<0C42FC22D9143A4FA9FA3FC2EF5CFA0720981991F5@MSGCMSV21015.ent.wfb.bank.corp>	<19FE5631-F75C-4638-8F6E-C1F3A935835D@kotlarek.com>	<B9A47C53E41D4C3EA8A5B11D3B22CDFD@toshibauser>	<4A039AB8.1020605@foxmediasystems.com><678823f00905071942x2e21e7c5y4cc7c54013e3c8d5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A039C85.7060800@foxmediasystems.com>
Message-ID: <F12427445F5349578546F2B8413482E7@toshibauser>

I use opendns, it seems to work better than Mediacom. The sites I like to
watch are the same I'd like to block to others in the house.
-dh

> -----Original Message-----
> From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On
> Behalf Of Nick Fox
> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 9:44 PM
> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Blocking
> 
> OpenDNS doesn't allowing filtering for private IPs does it?
> 
> -Nick
> 
> Allen Kiddoo wrote:
> > Switch dns to opendns.com <http://opendns.com>
> > Then get free account.
> > You can set filter rules there.
> >
> > Allen Kiddoo
> > Ioway Record Printing Co.
> > 316 West Third St.
> > Muscatine, IA 52761
> > 563.263.7822 office
> > 563.506.0446 mobile
> > Chat: Skype: akiddoo
> >
> >
> > On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Nick Fox <nfox at foxmediasystems.com
> > <mailto:nfox at foxmediasystems.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     Dan Hockey wrote:
> >     > I have a netgear router that has abilities to block sites based
> >     on key words
> >     > or address'. The problem is when I turn on this it blocks these
> >     sites to
> >     > every one. I would like to block access to sites based on ip
> >     address, so a
> >     > certain niece can't get to those sites with her computer. Are
> >     there any
> >     > routers can do something like this or do I set a linux box to do
> it.
> >     > -dh
> >     >
> >     > _______________________________________________
> >     > Cialug mailing list
> >     > Cialug at cialug.org <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org>
> >     > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >     >
> >     Fortinet Firewalls provide great success for such things. However
> >     if you
> >     are more inclined to free...you might consider Vyatta. If you do
> >     want to
> >     go the Fortinet route, contact me directly and I can help you with
> it.
> >
> >     --
> >     Nick Fox
> >
> >     Fox Media Systems, LLC
> >     Owner / President
> >     1338 57th St.
> >     Des Moines, IA 50311
> >     www.foxmediasystems.com <http://www.foxmediasystems.com>
> >
> >     _______________________________________________
> >     Cialug mailing list
> >     Cialug at cialug.org <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org>
> >     http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cialug mailing list
> > Cialug at cialug.org
> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >
> 
> 
> --
> Nick Fox
> 
> Fox Media Systems, LLC
> Owner / President
> 1338 57th St.
> Des Moines, IA 50311
> www.foxmediasystems.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug


From tom at tcpconsulting.com  Thu May  7 22:04:50 2009
From: tom at tcpconsulting.com (Tom Pohl)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 22:04:50 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Blocking
In-Reply-To: <4A039E97.9010809@foxmediasystems.com>
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Couldn't you use OpenDNS as the DNS servers that are handed out via  
DHCP and statically set non filtered DNS servers on the computers you  
don't want to be filtered? :)

-Tom

On May 7, 2009, at 9:53 PM, Nick Fox wrote:

> This is true, but it is a global filter. OpenDNS cannot block based on
> your internal IP for a specific computer. Personally its not a bad  
> idea
> to switch to OpenDNS anyhow. I did sometime ago. What is needed here  
> is
> something that can handle web content filtering on a Private IP basis.
> While  am sure there are more options than Fortinet and Vyatta, they  
> are
> two I am familiar with and have seen great results from.
>
> -Nick
>
> Allen Kiddoo wrote:
>> I have read that schools and libraries use it to filter sites.
>>
>> AK
>> Chat: Skype: akiddoo
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Nick Fox <nfox at foxmediasystems.com
>> <mailto:nfox at foxmediasystems.com>> wrote:
>>
>>    OpenDNS doesn't allowing filtering for private IPs does it?
>>
>>    -Nick
>>
>>    Allen Kiddoo wrote:
>>> Switch dns to opendns.com <http://opendns.com> <http://opendns.com>
>>> Then get free account.
>>> You can set filter rules there.
>>>
>>> Allen Kiddoo
>>> Ioway Record Printing Co.
>>> 316 West Third St.
>>> Muscatine, IA 52761
>>> 563.263.7822 office
>>> 563.506.0446 mobile
>>> Chat: Skype: akiddoo
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Nick Fox
>>    <nfox at foxmediasystems.com <mailto:nfox at foxmediasystems.com>
>>> <mailto:nfox at foxmediasystems.com
>>    <mailto:nfox at foxmediasystems.com>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>    Dan Hockey wrote:
>>>> I have a netgear router that has abilities to block sites
>>    based
>>>    on key words
>>>> or address'. The problem is when I turn on this it blocks
>>    these
>>>    sites to
>>>> every one. I would like to block access to sites based on ip
>>>    address, so a
>>>> certain niece can't get to those sites with her computer. Are
>>>    there any
>>>> routers can do something like this or do I set a linux box
>>    to do it.
>>>> -dh
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Cialug mailing list
>>>> Cialug at cialug.org <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org>
>>    <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org>>
>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>>
>>>    Fortinet Firewalls provide great success for such things.
>>    However
>>>    if you
>>>    are more inclined to free...you might consider Vyatta. If you do
>>>    want to
>>>    go the Fortinet route, contact me directly and I can help
>>    you with it.
>>>
>>>    --
>>>    Nick Fox
>>>
>>>    Fox Media Systems, LLC
>>>    Owner / President
>>>    1338 57th St.
>>>    Des Moines, IA 50311
>>>    www.foxmediasystems.com <http://www.foxmediasystems.com>
>>    <http://www.foxmediasystems.com>
>>>
>>>    _______________________________________________
>>>    Cialug mailing list
>>>    Cialug at cialug.org <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org>
>>    <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org>>
>>>    http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>     
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cialug mailing list
>>> Cialug at cialug.org <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org>
>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>
>>
>>
>>    --
>>    Nick Fox
>>
>>    Fox Media Systems, LLC
>>    Owner / President
>>    1338 57th St.
>>    Des Moines, IA 50311
>>    www.foxmediasystems.com <http://www.foxmediasystems.com>
>>
>>    _______________________________________________
>>    Cialug mailing list
>>    Cialug at cialug.org <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org>
>>    http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cialug mailing list
>> Cialug at cialug.org
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Nick Fox
>
> Fox Media Systems, LLC
> Owner / President
> 1338 57th St.
> Des Moines, IA 50311
> www.foxmediasystems.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug


From nfox at foxmediasystems.com  Thu May  7 22:06:25 2009
From: nfox at foxmediasystems.com (Nick Fox)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 22:06:25 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Blocking
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Yup. There is thinking outside the box. But then you can't use it on 
those other machines. Otherwise great idea Tom.

-Nick

Tom Pohl wrote:
> Couldn't you use OpenDNS as the DNS servers that are handed out via  
> DHCP and statically set non filtered DNS servers on the computers you  
> don't want to be filtered? :)
>
> -Tom
>
> On May 7, 2009, at 9:53 PM, Nick Fox wrote:
>
>   
>> This is true, but it is a global filter. OpenDNS cannot block based on
>> your internal IP for a specific computer. Personally its not a bad  
>> idea
>> to switch to OpenDNS anyhow. I did sometime ago. What is needed here  
>> is
>> something that can handle web content filtering on a Private IP basis.
>> While  am sure there are more options than Fortinet and Vyatta, they  
>> are
>> two I am familiar with and have seen great results from.
>>
>> -Nick
>>
>> Allen Kiddoo wrote:
>>     
>>> I have read that schools and libraries use it to filter sites.
>>>
>>> AK
>>> Chat: Skype: akiddoo
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Nick Fox <nfox at foxmediasystems.com
>>> <mailto:nfox at foxmediasystems.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>    OpenDNS doesn't allowing filtering for private IPs does it?
>>>
>>>    -Nick
>>>
>>>    Allen Kiddoo wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Switch dns to opendns.com <http://opendns.com> <http://opendns.com>
>>>> Then get free account.
>>>> You can set filter rules there.
>>>>
>>>> Allen Kiddoo
>>>> Ioway Record Printing Co.
>>>> 316 West Third St.
>>>> Muscatine, IA 52761
>>>> 563.263.7822 office
>>>> 563.506.0446 mobile
>>>> Chat: Skype: akiddoo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Nick Fox
>>>>         
>>>    <nfox at foxmediasystems.com <mailto:nfox at foxmediasystems.com>
>>>       
>>>> <mailto:nfox at foxmediasystems.com
>>>>         
>>>    <mailto:nfox at foxmediasystems.com>>> wrote:
>>>       
>>>>    Dan Hockey wrote:
>>>>         
>>>>> I have a netgear router that has abilities to block sites
>>>>>           
>>>    based
>>>       
>>>>    on key words
>>>>         
>>>>> or address'. The problem is when I turn on this it blocks
>>>>>           
>>>    these
>>>       
>>>>    sites to
>>>>         
>>>>> every one. I would like to block access to sites based on ip
>>>>>           
>>>>    address, so a
>>>>         
>>>>> certain niece can't get to those sites with her computer. Are
>>>>>           
>>>>    there any
>>>>         
>>>>> routers can do something like this or do I set a linux box
>>>>>           
>>>    to do it.
>>>       
>>>>> -dh
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Cialug mailing list
>>>>> Cialug at cialug.org <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org>
>>>>>           
>>>    <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org>>
>>>       
>>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>>    Fortinet Firewalls provide great success for such things.
>>>>         
>>>    However
>>>       
>>>>    if you
>>>>    are more inclined to free...you might consider Vyatta. If you do
>>>>    want to
>>>>    go the Fortinet route, contact me directly and I can help
>>>>         
>>>    you with it.
>>>       
>>>>    --
>>>>    Nick Fox
>>>>
>>>>    Fox Media Systems, LLC
>>>>    Owner / President
>>>>    1338 57th St.
>>>>    Des Moines, IA 50311
>>>>    www.foxmediasystems.com <http://www.foxmediasystems.com>
>>>>         
>>>    <http://www.foxmediasystems.com>
>>>       
>>>>    _______________________________________________
>>>>    Cialug mailing list
>>>>    Cialug at cialug.org <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org>
>>>>         
>>>    <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org>>
>>>       
>>>>    http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>     
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>       
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Cialug mailing list
>>>> Cialug at cialug.org <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org>
>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>    --
>>>    Nick Fox
>>>
>>>    Fox Media Systems, LLC
>>>    Owner / President
>>>    1338 57th St.
>>>    Des Moines, IA 50311
>>>    www.foxmediasystems.com <http://www.foxmediasystems.com>
>>>
>>>    _______________________________________________
>>>    Cialug mailing list
>>>    Cialug at cialug.org <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org>
>>>    http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cialug mailing list
>>> Cialug at cialug.org
>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>
>>>       
>> -- 
>> Nick Fox
>>
>> Fox Media Systems, LLC
>> Owner / President
>> 1338 57th St.
>> Des Moines, IA 50311
>> www.foxmediasystems.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cialug mailing list
>> Cialug at cialug.org
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>   


-- 
Nick Fox

Fox Media Systems, LLC
Owner / President
1338 57th St.
Des Moines, IA 50311
www.foxmediasystems.com


From adk at 52761.com  Thu May  7 22:09:27 2009
From: adk at 52761.com (Allen Kiddoo)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 22:09:27 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Blocking
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Can't you change the dns setting on each computer. Filter = opendns.com No
Filter = ISP

Allen Kiddoo
Ioway Record Printing Co.
316 West Third St.
Muscatine, IA 52761
563.263.7822 office
563.506.0446 mobile
Chat: Skype: akiddoo


On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 10:06 PM, Nick Fox <nfox at foxmediasystems.com> wrote:

> Yup. There is thinking outside the box. But then you can't use it on
> those other machines. Otherwise great idea Tom.
>
> -Nick
>
> Tom Pohl wrote:
> > Couldn't you use OpenDNS as the DNS servers that are handed out via
> > DHCP and statically set non filtered DNS servers on the computers you
> > don't want to be filtered? :)
> >
> > -Tom
> >
> > On May 7, 2009, at 9:53 PM, Nick Fox wrote:
> >
> >
> >> This is true, but it is a global filter. OpenDNS cannot block based on
> >> your internal IP for a specific computer. Personally its not a bad
> >> idea
> >> to switch to OpenDNS anyhow. I did sometime ago. What is needed here
> >> is
> >> something that can handle web content filtering on a Private IP basis.
> >> While  am sure there are more options than Fortinet and Vyatta, they
> >> are
> >> two I am familiar with and have seen great results from.
> >>
> >> -Nick
> >>
> >> Allen Kiddoo wrote:
> >>
> >>> I have read that schools and libraries use it to filter sites.
> >>>
> >>> AK
> >>> Chat: Skype: akiddoo
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Nick Fox <nfox at foxmediasystems.com
> >>> <mailto:nfox at foxmediasystems.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>    OpenDNS doesn't allowing filtering for private IPs does it?
> >>>
> >>>    -Nick
> >>>
> >>>    Allen Kiddoo wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Switch dns to opendns.com <http://opendns.com> <http://opendns.com>
> >>>> Then get free account.
> >>>> You can set filter rules there.
> >>>>
> >>>> Allen Kiddoo
> >>>> Ioway Record Printing Co.
> >>>> 316 West Third St.
> >>>> Muscatine, IA 52761
> >>>> 563.263.7822 office
> >>>> 563.506.0446 mobile
> >>>> Chat: Skype: akiddoo
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Nick Fox
> >>>>
> >>>    <nfox at foxmediasystems.com <mailto:nfox at foxmediasystems.com>
> >>>
> >>>> <mailto:nfox at foxmediasystems.com
> >>>>
> >>>    <mailto:nfox at foxmediasystems.com>>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>    Dan Hockey wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I have a netgear router that has abilities to block sites
> >>>>>
> >>>    based
> >>>
> >>>>    on key words
> >>>>
> >>>>> or address'. The problem is when I turn on this it blocks
> >>>>>
> >>>    these
> >>>
> >>>>    sites to
> >>>>
> >>>>> every one. I would like to block access to sites based on ip
> >>>>>
> >>>>    address, so a
> >>>>
> >>>>> certain niece can't get to those sites with her computer. Are
> >>>>>
> >>>>    there any
> >>>>
> >>>>> routers can do something like this or do I set a linux box
> >>>>>
> >>>    to do it.
> >>>
> >>>>> -dh
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> Cialug mailing list
> >>>>> Cialug at cialug.org <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org>
> >>>>>
> >>>    <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org>>
> >>>
> >>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>    Fortinet Firewalls provide great success for such things.
> >>>>
> >>>    However
> >>>
> >>>>    if you
> >>>>    are more inclined to free...you might consider Vyatta. If you do
> >>>>    want to
> >>>>    go the Fortinet route, contact me directly and I can help
> >>>>
> >>>    you with it.
> >>>
> >>>>    --
> >>>>    Nick Fox
> >>>>
> >>>>    Fox Media Systems, LLC
> >>>>    Owner / President
> >>>>    1338 57th St.
> >>>>    Des Moines, IA 50311
> >>>>    www.foxmediasystems.com <http://www.foxmediasystems.com>
> >>>>
> >>>    <http://www.foxmediasystems.com>
> >>>
> >>>>    _______________________________________________
> >>>>    Cialug mailing list
> >>>>    Cialug at cialug.org <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org>
> >>>>
> >>>    <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org>>
> >>>
> >>>>    http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Cialug mailing list
> >>>> Cialug at cialug.org <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org>
> >>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>    --
> >>>    Nick Fox
> >>>
> >>>    Fox Media Systems, LLC
> >>>    Owner / President
> >>>    1338 57th St.
> >>>    Des Moines, IA 50311
> >>>    www.foxmediasystems.com <http://www.foxmediasystems.com>
> >>>
> >>>    _______________________________________________
> >>>    Cialug mailing list
> >>>    Cialug at cialug.org <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org>
> >>>    http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Cialug mailing list
> >>> Cialug at cialug.org
> >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >>>
> >>>
> >> --
> >> Nick Fox
> >>
> >> Fox Media Systems, LLC
> >> Owner / President
> >> 1338 57th St.
> >> Des Moines, IA 50311
> >> www.foxmediasystems.com
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Cialug mailing list
> >> Cialug at cialug.org
> >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cialug mailing list
> > Cialug at cialug.org
> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >
>
>
> --
> Nick Fox
>
> Fox Media Systems, LLC
> Owner / President
> 1338 57th St.
> Des Moines, IA 50311
> www.foxmediasystems.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
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From nfox at foxmediasystems.com  Thu May  7 22:12:15 2009
From: nfox at foxmediasystems.com (Nick Fox)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 22:12:15 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Blocking
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That was Tom's suggestion. It's a very viable one. And seems reasonable 
enough. Also if you want to do this and dont want to use Mediacom's DNS 
servers, use this one: 4.2.2.2, its free, public and has always gotten 
me around Mediacom's failures.

-Nick

Allen Kiddoo wrote:
> Can't you change the dns setting on each computer. Filter = 
> opendns.com <http://opendns.com> No Filter = ISP
>
> Allen Kiddoo
> Ioway Record Printing Co.
> 316 West Third St.
> Muscatine, IA 52761
> 563.263.7822 office
> 563.506.0446 mobile
> Chat: Skype: akiddoo
>
>
> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 10:06 PM, Nick Fox <nfox at foxmediasystems.com 
> <mailto:nfox at foxmediasystems.com>> wrote:
>
>     Yup. There is thinking outside the box. But then you can't use it on
>     those other machines. Otherwise great idea Tom.
>
>     -Nick
>
>     Tom Pohl wrote:
>     > Couldn't you use OpenDNS as the DNS servers that are handed out via
>     > DHCP and statically set non filtered DNS servers on the
>     computers you
>     > don't want to be filtered? :)
>     >
>     > -Tom
>     >
>     > On May 7, 2009, at 9:53 PM, Nick Fox wrote:
>     >
>     >
>     >> This is true, but it is a global filter. OpenDNS cannot block
>     based on
>     >> your internal IP for a specific computer. Personally its not a bad
>     >> idea
>     >> to switch to OpenDNS anyhow. I did sometime ago. What is needed
>     here
>     >> is
>     >> something that can handle web content filtering on a Private IP
>     basis.
>     >> While  am sure there are more options than Fortinet and Vyatta,
>     they
>     >> are
>     >> two I am familiar with and have seen great results from.
>     >>
>     >> -Nick
>     >>
>     >> Allen Kiddoo wrote:
>     >>
>     >>> I have read that schools and libraries use it to filter sites.
>     >>>
>     >>> AK
>     >>> Chat: Skype: akiddoo
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Nick Fox
>     <nfox at foxmediasystems.com <mailto:nfox at foxmediasystems.com>
>     >>> <mailto:nfox at foxmediasystems.com
>     <mailto:nfox at foxmediasystems.com>>> wrote:
>     >>>
>     >>>    OpenDNS doesn't allowing filtering for private IPs does it?
>     >>>
>     >>>    -Nick
>     >>>
>     >>>    Allen Kiddoo wrote:
>     >>>
>     >>>> Switch dns to opendns.com <http://opendns.com>
>     <http://opendns.com> <http://opendns.com>
>     >>>> Then get free account.
>     >>>> You can set filter rules there.
>     >>>>
>     >>>> Allen Kiddoo
>     >>>> Ioway Record Printing Co.
>     >>>> 316 West Third St.
>     >>>> Muscatine, IA 52761
>     >>>> 563.263.7822 office
>     >>>> 563.506.0446 mobile
>     >>>> Chat: Skype: akiddoo
>     >>>>
>     >>>>
>     >>>> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Nick Fox
>     >>>>
>     >>>    <nfox at foxmediasystems.com <mailto:nfox at foxmediasystems.com>
>     <mailto:nfox at foxmediasystems.com <mailto:nfox at foxmediasystems.com>>
>     >>>
>     >>>> <mailto:nfox at foxmediasystems.com
>     <mailto:nfox at foxmediasystems.com>
>     >>>>
>     >>>    <mailto:nfox at foxmediasystems.com
>     <mailto:nfox at foxmediasystems.com>>>> wrote:
>     >>>
>     >>>>    Dan Hockey wrote:
>     >>>>
>     >>>>> I have a netgear router that has abilities to block sites
>     >>>>>
>     >>>    based
>     >>>
>     >>>>    on key words
>     >>>>
>     >>>>> or address'. The problem is when I turn on this it blocks
>     >>>>>
>     >>>    these
>     >>>
>     >>>>    sites to
>     >>>>
>     >>>>> every one. I would like to block access to sites based on ip
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>    address, so a
>     >>>>
>     >>>>> certain niece can't get to those sites with her computer. Are
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>    there any
>     >>>>
>     >>>>> routers can do something like this or do I set a linux box
>     >>>>>
>     >>>    to do it.
>     >>>
>     >>>>> -dh
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> _______________________________________________
>     >>>>> Cialug mailing list
>     >>>>> Cialug at cialug.org <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org>
>     <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org>>
>     >>>>>
>     >>>    <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org>
>     <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org>>>
>     >>>
>     >>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>    Fortinet Firewalls provide great success for such things.
>     >>>>
>     >>>    However
>     >>>
>     >>>>    if you
>     >>>>    are more inclined to free...you might consider Vyatta. If
>     you do
>     >>>>    want to
>     >>>>    go the Fortinet route, contact me directly and I can help
>     >>>>
>     >>>    you with it.
>     >>>
>     >>>>    --
>     >>>>    Nick Fox
>     >>>>
>     >>>>    Fox Media Systems, LLC
>     >>>>    Owner / President
>     >>>>    1338 57th St.
>     >>>>    Des Moines, IA 50311
>     >>>>    www.foxmediasystems.com <http://www.foxmediasystems.com>
>     <http://www.foxmediasystems.com>
>     >>>>
>     >>>    <http://www.foxmediasystems.com>
>     >>>
>     >>>>    _______________________________________________
>     >>>>    Cialug mailing list
>     >>>>    Cialug at cialug.org <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org>
>     <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org>>
>     >>>>
>     >>>    <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org>
>     <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org>>>
>     >>>
>     >>>>    http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>     >>>>
>     >>>>
>     >>>>
>     >>>>
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     >>>
>     >>>> _______________________________________________
>     >>>> Cialug mailing list
>     >>>> Cialug at cialug.org <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org>
>     <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org>>
>     >>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>     >>>>
>     >>>>
>     >>>    --
>     >>>    Nick Fox
>     >>>
>     >>>    Fox Media Systems, LLC
>     >>>    Owner / President
>     >>>    1338 57th St.
>     >>>    Des Moines, IA 50311
>     >>>    www.foxmediasystems.com <http://www.foxmediasystems.com>
>     <http://www.foxmediasystems.com>
>     >>>
>     >>>    _______________________________________________
>     >>>    Cialug mailing list
>     >>>    Cialug at cialug.org <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org>
>     <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org>>
>     >>>    http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     >>>
>     >>> _______________________________________________
>     >>> Cialug mailing list
>     >>> Cialug at cialug.org <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org>
>     >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >> --
>     >> Nick Fox
>     >>
>     >> Fox Media Systems, LLC
>     >> Owner / President
>     >> 1338 57th St.
>     >> Des Moines, IA 50311
>     >> www.foxmediasystems.com <http://www.foxmediasystems.com>
>     >>
>     >> _______________________________________________
>     >> Cialug mailing list
>     >> Cialug at cialug.org <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org>
>     >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>     >>
>     >
>     > _______________________________________________
>     > Cialug mailing list
>     > Cialug at cialug.org <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org>
>     > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>     >
>
>
>     --
>     Nick Fox
>
>     Fox Media Systems, LLC
>     Owner / President
>     1338 57th St.
>     Des Moines, IA 50311
>     www.foxmediasystems.com <http://www.foxmediasystems.com>
>
>     _______________________________________________
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>     Cialug at cialug.org <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org>
>     http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>   


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Fox Media Systems, LLC
Owner / President
1338 57th St.
Des Moines, IA 50311
www.foxmediasystems.com


From icepuck2k at mchsi.com  Thu May  7 22:25:18 2009
From: icepuck2k at mchsi.com (Dan Hockey)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 22:25:18 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Blocking
In-Reply-To: <4A03A30F.8030206@foxmediasystems.com>
References: <1406586407.1226361241327420349.JavaMail.root@dial-mailstore2.drake.edu>	<19FE5631-F75C-4638-8F6E-C1F3A935835D@kotlarek.com>	<B9A47C53E41D4C3EA8A5B11D3B22CDFD@toshibauser>	<4A039AB8.1020605@foxmediasystems.com>	<678823f00905071942x2e21e7c5y4cc7c54013e3c8d5@mail.gmail.com>	<4A039C85.7060800@foxmediasystems.com>	<678823f00905071950n3b248c30h2359d20c34e12a1e@mail.gmail.com>	<4A039E97.9010809@foxmediasystems.com>	<6AA86499-46E1-425B-8807-094EDEFB369E@tcpconsulting.com>	<4A03A1B1.6070809@foxmediasystems.com><678823f00905072009s3b5dbcf3v3905c917afb74c0f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A03A30F.8030206@foxmediasystems.com>
Message-ID: <8DA37D194E0C4B72B34AE74FDBF89DD2@toshibauser>

How 'bout..
http://www.linksysbycisco.com/US/en/products/WRT54GL
or
http://www.netgear.com/Products/RoutersandGateways/WirelessGRouters/WGR614L.
aspx
-dh



From nfox at foxmediasystems.com  Thu May  7 22:28:23 2009
From: nfox at foxmediasystems.com (Nick Fox)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 22:28:23 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Blocking
In-Reply-To: <8DA37D194E0C4B72B34AE74FDBF89DD2@toshibauser>
References: <1406586407.1226361241327420349.JavaMail.root@dial-mailstore2.drake.edu>	<19FE5631-F75C-4638-8F6E-C1F3A935835D@kotlarek.com>	<B9A47C53E41D4C3EA8A5B11D3B22CDFD@toshibauser>	<4A039AB8.1020605@foxmediasystems.com>	<678823f00905071942x2e21e7c5y4cc7c54013e3c8d5@mail.gmail.com>	<4A039C85.7060800@foxmediasystems.com>	<678823f00905071950n3b248c30h2359d20c34e12a1e@mail.gmail.com>	<4A039E97.9010809@foxmediasystems.com>	<6AA86499-46E1-425B-8807-094EDEFB369E@tcpconsulting.com>	<4A03A1B1.6070809@foxmediasystems.com><678823f00905072009s3b5dbcf3v3905c917afb74c0f@mail.gmail.com>	<4A03A30F.8030206@foxmediasystems.com>
	<8DA37D194E0C4B72B34AE74FDBF89DD2@toshibauser>
Message-ID: <4A03A6D7.2060406@foxmediasystems.com>

I don't think these allow you to do it by IP either. Although with the 
linksys and dd-wrt of similar you might be able to.

-Nick

Dan Hockey wrote:
> How 'bout..
> http://www.linksysbycisco.com/US/en/products/WRT54GL
> or
> http://www.netgear.com/Products/RoutersandGateways/WirelessGRouters/WGR614L.
> aspx
> -dh
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>   


-- 
Nick Fox

Fox Media Systems, LLC
Owner / President
1338 57th St.
Des Moines, IA 50311
www.foxmediasystems.com


From ewenix at raccoon.com  Thu May  7 23:18:25 2009
From: ewenix at raccoon.com (Jeff Davis)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 23:18:25 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Blocking
In-Reply-To: <F12427445F5349578546F2B8413482E7@toshibauser>
References: <1406586407.1226361241327420349.JavaMail.root@dial-mailstore2.drake.edu>	<bfffc7a70905030527rd23091fg8ec79d0081062b0e@mail.gmail.com>	<45a88bbd0905030653w2b8ee9a5ta6fb02a8fd490f8@mail.gmail.com>	<0C42FC22D9143A4FA9FA3FC2EF5CFA072098198423@MSGCMSV21015.ent.wfb.bank.corp>	<616F1663-C29A-4A81-B5B3-65035EAAA3D4@kotlarek.com>	<0C42FC22D9143A4FA9FA3FC2EF5CFA0720981991F5@MSGCMSV21015.ent.wfb.bank.corp>	<19FE5631-F75C-4638-8F6E-C1F3A935835D@kotlarek.com>	<B9A47C53E41D4C3EA8A5B11D3B22CDFD@toshibauser>	<4A039AB8.1020605@foxmediasystems.com><678823f00905071942x2e21e7c5y4cc7c54013e3c8d5@mail.gmail.com>	<4A039C85.7060800@foxmediasystems.com>
	<F12427445F5349578546F2B8413482E7@toshibauser>
Message-ID: <4A03B291.6060505@raccoon.com>

Gee.... That doesn't sound very fair....

-Jeff

Dan Hockey wrote:
> I use opendns, it seems to work better than Mediacom. The sites I like to
> watch are the same I'd like to block to others in the house.
> -dh
>
>   
>

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From daniel.ramaley at drake.edu  Fri May  8 09:11:33 2009
From: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu (Daniel A. Ramaley)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 09:11:33 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Blocking
In-Reply-To: <4A039E97.9010809@foxmediasystems.com>
References: <1406586407.1226361241327420349.JavaMail.root@dial-mailstore2.drake.edu>
	<678823f00905071950n3b248c30h2359d20c34e12a1e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A039E97.9010809@foxmediasystems.com>
Message-ID: <200905080911.33089.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>

On 2009-05-07 at 21:53:11, Nick Fox wrote:
>Personally its not a bad idea to switch to OpenDNS anyhow. I did
>sometime ago.

I've heard of OpenDNS many times before. What real benefit is there 
to using OpenDNS over just running my own DNS server (as i do now)?

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dan Ramaley                            Dial Center 118, Drake University
Network Programmer/Analyst             2407 Carpenter Ave
+1 515 271-4540                        Des Moines IA 50311 USA

From nfox at foxmediasystems.com  Fri May  8 10:50:25 2009
From: nfox at foxmediasystems.com (Nick Fox)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 10:50:25 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Blocking
In-Reply-To: <200905080911.33089.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
References: <1406586407.1226361241327420349.JavaMail.root@dial-mailstore2.drake.edu>	<678823f00905071950n3b248c30h2359d20c34e12a1e@mail.gmail.com>	<4A039E97.9010809@foxmediasystems.com>
	<200905080911.33089.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
Message-ID: <4A0454C1.2090605@foxmediasystems.com>

OpenDNS does not replce your internal DNS server, you set your Internal 
server to forward external request to them rather than your ISP. It 
allows content filtering and (at least in my experience) more stable DNS 
than the ISP.

-Nick

Daniel A. Ramaley wrote:
> On 2009-05-07 at 21:53:11, Nick Fox wrote:
>   
>> Personally its not a bad idea to switch to OpenDNS anyhow. I did
>> sometime ago.
>>     
>
> I've heard of OpenDNS many times before. What real benefit is there 
> to using OpenDNS over just running my own DNS server (as i do now)?
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Dan Ramaley                            Dial Center 118, Drake University
> Network Programmer/Analyst             2407 Carpenter Ave
> +1 515 271-4540                        Des Moines IA 50311 USA
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>   


-- 
Nick Fox

Fox Media Systems, LLC
Owner / President
1338 57th St.
Des Moines, IA 50311
www.foxmediasystems.com


From dave at dchamp.net  Fri May  8 10:53:39 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 10:53:39 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Blocking
In-Reply-To: <4A0454C1.2090605@foxmediasystems.com>
References: <1406586407.1226361241327420349.JavaMail.root@dial-mailstore2.drake.edu>	<678823f00905071950n3b248c30h2359d20c34e12a1e@mail.gmail.com>	<4A039E97.9010809@foxmediasystems.com>	<200905080911.33089.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
	<4A0454C1.2090605@foxmediasystems.com>
Message-ID: <4A045583.4000605@dchamp.net>

Depends on who your ISP is. :)

-dc

Nick Fox wrote:
> OpenDNS does not replce your internal DNS server, you set your Internal 
> server to forward external request to them rather than your ISP. It 
> allows content filtering and (at least in my experience) more stable DNS 
> than the ISP.
>
> -Nick
>
> Daniel A. Ramaley wrote:
>   
>> On 2009-05-07 at 21:53:11, Nick Fox wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>> Personally its not a bad idea to switch to OpenDNS anyhow. I did
>>> sometime ago.
>>>     
>>>       
>> I've heard of OpenDNS many times before. What real benefit is there 
>> to using OpenDNS over just running my own DNS server (as i do now)?
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Dan Ramaley                            Dial Center 118, Drake University
>> Network Programmer/Analyst             2407 Carpenter Ave
>> +1 515 271-4540                        Des Moines IA 50311 USA
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cialug mailing list
>> Cialug at cialug.org
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>   
>>     
>
>
>   


From nfox at foxmediasystems.com  Fri May  8 10:54:33 2009
From: nfox at foxmediasystems.com (Nick Fox)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 10:54:33 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Blocking
In-Reply-To: <4A045583.4000605@dchamp.net>
References: <1406586407.1226361241327420349.JavaMail.root@dial-mailstore2.drake.edu>	<678823f00905071950n3b248c30h2359d20c34e12a1e@mail.gmail.com>	<4A039E97.9010809@foxmediasystems.com>	<200905080911.33089.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>	<4A0454C1.2090605@foxmediasystems.com>
	<4A045583.4000605@dchamp.net>
Message-ID: <4A0455B9.60501@foxmediasystems.com>

Agreed. In most cases with T1's and above its a non-issue.

-Nick

David Champion wrote:
> Depends on who your ISP is. :)
>
> -dc
>
> Nick Fox wrote:
>   
>> OpenDNS does not replce your internal DNS server, you set your Internal 
>> server to forward external request to them rather than your ISP. It 
>> allows content filtering and (at least in my experience) more stable DNS 
>> than the ISP.
>>
>> -Nick
>>
>> Daniel A. Ramaley wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>> On 2009-05-07 at 21:53:11, Nick Fox wrote:
>>>   
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> Personally its not a bad idea to switch to OpenDNS anyhow. I did
>>>> sometime ago.
>>>>     
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>> I've heard of OpenDNS many times before. What real benefit is there 
>>> to using OpenDNS over just running my own DNS server (as i do now)?
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Dan Ramaley                            Dial Center 118, Drake University
>>> Network Programmer/Analyst             2407 Carpenter Ave
>>> +1 515 271-4540                        Des Moines IA 50311 USA
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cialug mailing list
>>> Cialug at cialug.org
>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>   
>>>     
>>>       
>>   
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>   


-- 
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Fox Media Systems, LLC
Owner / President
1338 57th St.
Des Moines, IA 50311
www.foxmediasystems.com


From daniel.ramaley at drake.edu  Fri May  8 10:57:11 2009
From: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu (Daniel A. Ramaley)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 10:57:11 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Blocking
In-Reply-To: <4A0454C1.2090605@foxmediasystems.com>
References: <1406586407.1226361241327420349.JavaMail.root@dial-mailstore2.drake.edu>
	<200905080911.33089.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
	<4A0454C1.2090605@foxmediasystems.com>
Message-ID: <200905081057.11163.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>

My internal DNS server doesn't forward requests to my ISP. Why would i 
do that when i can just use the root servers directly?

I don't even know the IPs of my ISP's name servers. I'm guessing they 
have fairly stable DNS though, since everything else about the service 
has been quite reliable.

On 2009-05-08 at 10:50:25, Nick Fox wrote:
>OpenDNS does not replce your internal DNS server, you set your
> Internal server to forward external request to them rather than your
> ISP. It allows content filtering and (at least in my experience) more
> stable DNS than the ISP.
>
>-Nick
>
>Daniel A. Ramaley wrote:
>> On 2009-05-07 at 21:53:11, Nick Fox wrote:
>>> Personally its not a bad idea to switch to OpenDNS anyhow. I did
>>> sometime ago.
>>
>> I've heard of OpenDNS many times before. What real benefit is there
>> to using OpenDNS over just running my own DNS server (as i do now)?

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dan Ramaley                            Dial Center 118, Drake University
Network Programmer/Analyst             2407 Carpenter Ave
+1 515 271-4540                        Des Moines IA 50311 USA

From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com  Fri May  8 11:16:36 2009
From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 11:16:36 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Blocking
In-Reply-To: <200905081057.11163.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
References: <1406586407.1226361241327420349.JavaMail.root@dial-mailstore2.drake.edu>
	<200905080911.33089.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
	<4A0454C1.2090605@foxmediasystems.com>
	<200905081057.11163.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
Message-ID: <D43921B1695991468329C1A7296519C05C5139D036@exchange2k7.ipmvs.com>

Because the root servers are a finite resource? 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org 
> [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Daniel A. Ramaley
> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 10:57 AM
> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Blocking
> 
> My internal DNS server doesn't forward requests to my ISP. 
> Why would i 
> do that when i can just use the root servers directly?
> 
> I don't even know the IPs of my ISP's name servers. I'm guessing they 
> have fairly stable DNS though, since everything else about 
> the service 
> has been quite reliable.
> 
> On 2009-05-08 at 10:50:25, Nick Fox wrote:
> >OpenDNS does not replce your internal DNS server, you set your
> > Internal server to forward external request to them rather than your
> > ISP. It allows content filtering and (at least in my 
> experience) more
> > stable DNS than the ISP.
> >
> >-Nick
> >
> >Daniel A. Ramaley wrote:
> >> On 2009-05-07 at 21:53:11, Nick Fox wrote:
> >>> Personally its not a bad idea to switch to OpenDNS anyhow. I did
> >>> sometime ago.
> >>
> >> I've heard of OpenDNS many times before. What real benefit is there
> >> to using OpenDNS over just running my own DNS server (as i do now)?
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------
> Dan Ramaley                            Dial Center 118, Drake 
> University
> Network Programmer/Analyst             2407 Carpenter Ave
> +1 515 271-4540                        Des Moines IA 50311 USA
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> 

From zach at kotlarek.com  Fri May  8 11:32:06 2009
From: zach at kotlarek.com (Zachary Kotlarek)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 11:32:06 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Blocking
In-Reply-To: <200905081057.11163.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
References: <1406586407.1226361241327420349.JavaMail.root@dial-mailstore2.drake.edu>
	<200905080911.33089.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
	<4A0454C1.2090605@foxmediasystems.com>
	<200905081057.11163.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
Message-ID: <CF635E4F-D16B-4E2D-91B7-4D0DDF655E62@kotlarek.com>


On May 8, 2009, at 10:57 AM, Daniel A. Ramaley wrote:

> My internal DNS server doesn't forward requests to my ISP. Why would i
> do that when i can just use the root servers directly?


A) Only a few ms away
B) May require less (or no) recursion based on cache-hits
C) May have less latency when recursion is required

I agree if your ISP is not reliable you might want to skip them, but  
there might still be some benefit to using an external DNS cache if  
you're on a medium or high-latency connection, or if there's a  
reasonable chance of cache-hits given other users of the cache.

Plus it reduces upstream load, which is a friendly thing to do.

	Zach

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From robfreiburger at gmail.com  Fri May  8 11:42:05 2009
From: robfreiburger at gmail.com (Rob Freiburger)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 11:42:05 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Blocking
In-Reply-To: <200905080911.33089.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
References: <1406586407.1226361241327420349.JavaMail.root@dial-mailstore2.drake.edu>
	<678823f00905071950n3b248c30h2359d20c34e12a1e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A039E97.9010809@foxmediasystems.com>
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Message-ID: <baf3c7db0905080942s422ed8d5g8741ea207ff791b9@mail.gmail.com>

I use OpenDNS for my Fraternity at Drake. I have a WRT54G setup with Tomato
firmware to handle the traffic the network generates (believe me, it holds
up really well). Since P2P and file sharing are traffic-heavy and have
gotten us in trouble, I use OpenDNS to block these sites simply based on
category. Because categories are nominated and voted on by the OpenDNS
community (the other people that use OpenDNS), the blocklists are updated
very frequently.
Since blocking those sites, network traffic has greatly increased for
everyone. There also has been absolutely no issues with virus infections.

Other features I use with OpenDNS are global shortcuts and site statistics.
For example if a person on my network wants to access Drake's BlueView site
(http://www.drake.edu/blueview), all they type in the browser address bar is
"bv" and OpenDNS will redirect to the longer URI. It works regardless of
operating system and browser. With site statistics, I can easily monitor
sites our network has accessed and take action if it circumvents our
Internet policies.

It's completely free to use. The only advertisements ever seen are text ads
shown on blocked or inaccessible sites. There's privacy concerns, but in
regards to my network, Internet privacy was made clear to not be expected as
one person's actions reflect on the entire Fraternity.

On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Daniel A. Ramaley
<daniel.ramaley at drake.edu>wrote:

> On 2009-05-07 at 21:53:11, Nick Fox wrote:
> >Personally its not a bad idea to switch to OpenDNS anyhow. I did
> >sometime ago.
>
> I've heard of OpenDNS many times before. What real benefit is there
> to using OpenDNS over just running my own DNS server (as i do now)?
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Network Programmer/Analyst             2407 Carpenter Ave
> +1 515 271-4540                        Des Moines IA 50311 USA
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From dave at dchamp.net  Fri May  8 17:04:43 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 17:04:43 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Open source alternative to Crystal Reports?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0905072346340.22318@isis.visi.com>
References: <redirect-14405881@mailback2.g2host.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.58.0905072346340.22318@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <4A04AC7B.8030700@dchamp.net>

Apparently you n00bs have never heard of freshmeat.net??? ;)

http://freshmeat.net/search?q=crystal+reports&submit=Search

-dc

john doe wrote:
> There are a couple of options, both of which I've used over the
> years--both for personal and work DWs.
>
> Pentaho (http://pentaho.com/) is the first. Not too bad, but previous
> versions have been a bit kludgy.  Haven't tried the current.
>
> Jaspersoft (http://www.jaspersoft.com/)--as mentioned by Josh--is the
> other option.  They've also just released a new version, but haven't tried
> it yet.  I do like Jaspersoft a bit better; seemed smoother.
>
> The one "personally untested so market-speak warning" feature of the
> new/current Jaspersoft release--which may make it a more viable
> solution--is the multi-tenant/SaaS capabilities out of the box.  I've
> not seen this in the current Pentaho release, but YMMV.
>
> Finally, you can just wander over to SourceForge and type "Crystal
> Reports" in the search box, and see what comes up.
>
>
>
> On Tue, 5 May 2009, Tim Wilson wrote:
>
>   
>> The company I work for is looking for an external reporting engine.
>>  Initially we looked at Crystal Reports, but unfortunately it looks like it
>> is Windows only.  One key point is it would have to allow us to redistribute
>> the report generator.  Our staff and our customers will be creating reports.
>>  For the reports that we create and send to our customers, they will need a
>> way to actually run the report.  That would probably mean a redistributable
>> executable that reads the report format file(s), reads the database, and
>> generates the desired report.  Are there any open source alternatives to
>> Crystal?
>>
>> --
>> Tim
>> Required reading: http://bccplease.com/
>>
>>     
>
> -------------------------------------------------
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From icepuck2k at mchsi.com  Sat May  9 10:16:21 2009
From: icepuck2k at mchsi.com (Dan Hockey)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 10:16:21 -0500
Subject: [Cialug]  OT Extreme workplaces
In-Reply-To: <8DA37D194E0C4B72B34AE74FDBF89DD2@toshibauser>
References: <1406586407.1226361241327420349.JavaMail.root@dial-mailstore2.drake.edu>	<19FE5631-F75C-4638-8F6E-C1F3A935835D@kotlarek.com>	<B9A47C53E41D4C3EA8A5B11D3B22CDFD@toshibauser>	<4A039AB8.1020605@foxmediasystems.com>	<678823f00905071942x2e21e7c5y4cc7c54013e3c8d5@mail.gmail.com>	<4A039C85.7060800@foxmediasystems.com>	<678823f00905071950n3b248c30h2359d20c34e12a1e@mail.gmail.com>	<4A039E97.9010809@foxmediasystems.com>	<6AA86499-46E1-425B-8807-094EDEFB369E@tcpconsulting.com>	<4A03A1B1.6070809@foxmediasystems.com><678823f00905072009s3b5dbcf3v3905c917afb74c0f@mail.gmail.com><4A03A30F.8030206@foxmediasystems.com>
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Message-ID: <1B61C68B7A0D4EA7AAE55514466EE537@toshibauser>

Google and ebay was on the travel channel this morning...
http://www.travelchannel.com/Travel_Ideas/Museums_and_Culture/ci.Extreme_Wor
kplaces.artTravelIdeasFmt?vgnextfmt=artTravelIdeasFmt

-dh



From newz at bearfruit.org  Sat May  9 13:50:46 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 13:50:46 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] The year of arm computers
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080905091150h662cacf0v2b0cac851eff2e20@mail.gmail.com>

http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS7369824937.html

Interesting ARM based MIDs running linux for $150 - $180. Looks like
this might be the start of a wave of such devices.

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter

From lars at larch.dk  Sat May  9 14:37:40 2009
From: lars at larch.dk (Lars Althof)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 14:37:40 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Alpha work stations
Message-ID: <4A05DB84.3000907@larch.dk>

Hi All,
I have a couple of work stations that have sat in my basement for a few 
years. Anybody interested?

Digital Personal Workstation 500au. Needs a new SCSI hard drive

Digital Alphastation 255, worked fine last time I booted it

I have run Linux on both, but had some trouble getting X-windows to run 
on the 500au.

Let me know.

/Lars
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From tdwalton at gmail.com  Sat May  9 22:55:31 2009
From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 22:55:31 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT Extreme workplaces
In-Reply-To: <1B61C68B7A0D4EA7AAE55514466EE537@toshibauser>
References: <1406586407.1226361241327420349.JavaMail.root@dial-mailstore2.drake.edu>
	<4A039C85.7060800@foxmediasystems.com>
	<678823f00905071950n3b248c30h2359d20c34e12a1e@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Dan Hockey <icepuck2k at mchsi.com> wrote:
> Google and ebay was on the travel channel this morning...
> http://www.travelchannel.com/Travel_Ideas/Museums_and_Culture/ci.Extreme_Wor
> kplaces.artTravelIdeasFmt?vgnextfmt=artTravelIdeasFmt

They should have a TV show about the extremes to which TV people will
go to fill a time slot.

--
Todd

From tdwalton at gmail.com  Sat May  9 22:58:41 2009
From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 22:58:41 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] The year of arm computers
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4080905091150h662cacf0v2b0cac851eff2e20@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f3c0b4080905091150h662cacf0v2b0cac851eff2e20@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e1d8c6520905092058g451dbf4aq73f366c1b73a45d0@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:
> Interesting ARM based MIDs running linux for $150 - $180. Looks like
> this might be the start of a wave of such devices.

When it was $300 or $400 I said: Wow I can really get a whole laptop
for that cheap?  If we're getting to the $150 range, I might start
saying: Uh that's kind of expensive for something I can't even make
phone calls on.

Strange about these things.

--
Todd

From tdwalton at gmail.com  Sun May 10 07:19:49 2009
From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 07:19:49 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] External Hard Drive
Message-ID: <e1d8c6520905100519ycad5ef2gf51bdcadde5516c2@mail.gmail.com>

Is there anything I should watch out for in geting an external hard
drive that will work with Linux?  I would think that hard drive and
USB connection would be pretty standard and Linux could use it, but
I'd like to make sure.

--
Todd

From matthew at lechleider.com  Sun May 10 09:04:22 2009
From: matthew at lechleider.com (Matthew Lechleider)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 09:04:22 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] External Hard Drive
In-Reply-To: <e1d8c6520905100519ycad5ef2gf51bdcadde5516c2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e1d8c6520905100519ycad5ef2gf51bdcadde5516c2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A06DEE6.8010209@lechleider.com>

I have been shopping around for a portable USB drive for my laptop.

I have been looking at the physically smaller drives such as the Western 
Digital Passport.

 From what I have heard the drives come with special software which can 
be a pain to change the file system type.

Any Linux users out there have any experiences or recommendations?


Todd Walton wrote:
> Is there anything I should watch out for in geting an external hard
> drive that will work with Linux?  I would think that hard drive and
> USB connection would be pretty standard and Linux could use it, but
> I'd like to make sure.
>
> --
> Todd
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>   


From adk at 52761.com  Sun May 10 09:41:40 2009
From: adk at 52761.com (Allen Kiddoo)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 09:41:40 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] External Hard Drive
In-Reply-To: <4A06DEE6.8010209@lechleider.com>
References: <e1d8c6520905100519ycad5ef2gf51bdcadde5516c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A06DEE6.8010209@lechleider.com>
Message-ID: <678823f00905100741l3860284bx1335375a9d677433@mail.gmail.com>

You didn't state purpose- fixed location or portable?
If fixed location, this might be an option-

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3548245

Portable cheap route- gut out an old portable usb cd or dvd, toss the
optical drive and install your own hard drive. Sometimes not pretty but
can't beat the price.

I bought an empty usb 2.5 inch case for $20 and installed an 80G spare ide
from junked macbook. Format for FAT- most universal, anything can read it.

Allen Kiddoo
Ioway Record Printing Co.
316 West Third St.
Muscatine, IA 52761
563.263.7822 office
563.506.0446 mobile
Chat: Skype: akiddoo


On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Matthew Lechleider
<matthew at lechleider.com>wrote:

> I have been shopping around for a portable USB drive for my laptop.
>
> I have been looking at the physically smaller drives such as the Western
> Digital Passport.
>
>  From what I have heard the drives come with special software which can
> be a pain to change the file system type.
>
> Any Linux users out there have any experiences or recommendations?
>
>
> Todd Walton wrote:
> > Is there anything I should watch out for in geting an external hard
> > drive that will work with Linux?  I would think that hard drive and
> > USB connection would be pretty standard and Linux could use it, but
> > I'd like to make sure.
> >
> > --
> > Todd
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cialug mailing list
> > Cialug at cialug.org
> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
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From lars at larch.dk  Sun May 10 10:05:52 2009
From: lars at larch.dk (Lars Althof)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 10:05:52 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] External Hard Drive
In-Reply-To: <4A06DEE6.8010209@lechleider.com>
References: <e1d8c6520905100519ycad5ef2gf51bdcadde5516c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A06DEE6.8010209@lechleider.com>
Message-ID: <4A06ED50.9050102@larch.dk>

I got one of the small Seagate drives. It was Windows formatted (of 
course), but it was no big deal to repartition and format with ext3.

Matthew Lechleider wrote:
> I have been shopping around for a portable USB drive for my laptop.
>
> I have been looking at the physically smaller drives such as the Western 
> Digital Passport.
>
>  From what I have heard the drives come with special software which can 
> be a pain to change the file system type.
>
> Any Linux users out there have any experiences or recommendations?
>
>
> Todd Walton wrote:
>   
>> Is there anything I should watch out for in geting an external hard
>> drive that will work with Linux?  I would think that hard drive and
>> USB connection would be pretty standard and Linux could use it, but
>> I'd like to make sure.
>>
>> --
>> Todd
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cialug mailing list
>> Cialug at cialug.org
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>   
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
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From dave at 58ghz.net  Sun May 10 10:54:45 2009
From: dave at 58ghz.net (Dave J. Hala Jr.)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 10:54:45 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] External Hard Drive
In-Reply-To: <4A06ED50.9050102@larch.dk>
References: <e1d8c6520905100519ycad5ef2gf51bdcadde5516c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A06DEE6.8010209@lechleider.com>  <4A06ED50.9050102@larch.dk>
Message-ID: <1241970885.24193.162.camel@rhel5>

I've been using 6 WD 750gb/1tb Usb drives for the last year without
incident.  When you included shipping it cost the same to buy them at
locally at Staples or Walmart as it does online.



On Sun, 2009-05-10 at 10:05 -0500, Lars Althof wrote:
> I got one of the small Seagate drives. It was Windows formatted (of
> course), but it was no big deal to repartition and format with ext3.
> 
> Matthew Lechleider wrote: 
> > I have been shopping around for a portable USB drive for my laptop.
> > 
> > I have been looking at the physically smaller drives such as the Western 
> > Digital Passport.
> > 
> >  From what I have heard the drives come with special software which can 
> > be a pain to change the file system type.
> > 
> > Any Linux users out there have any experiences or recommendations?
> > 
> > 
> > Todd Walton wrote:
> >   
> > > Is there anything I should watch out for in geting an external hard
> > > drive that will work with Linux?  I would think that hard drive and
> > > USB connection would be pretty standard and Linux could use it, but
> > > I'd like to make sure.
> > > 
> > > --
> > > Todd
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Cialug mailing list
> > > Cialug at cialug.org
> > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> > >   
> > >     
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cialug mailing list
> > Cialug at cialug.org
> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >   
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
-- 
___
Dave J. Hala Jr.
President OSIS, Inc.
www.osis.us


From afan at afan.net  Sun May 10 11:00:09 2009
From: afan at afan.net (Afan Pasalic)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 11:00:09 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] External Hard Drive
In-Reply-To: <1241970885.24193.162.camel@rhel5>
References: <e1d8c6520905100519ycad5ef2gf51bdcadde5516c2@mail.gmail.com>	<4A06DEE6.8010209@lechleider.com>
	<4A06ED50.9050102@larch.dk> <1241970885.24193.162.camel@rhel5>
Message-ID: <4A06FA09.4090409@afan.net>

buy at amazon.com and no shipping :-)

that's what I'm doing al the time...

Afan



Dave J. Hala Jr. wrote:
> I've been using 6 WD 750gb/1tb Usb drives for the last year without
> incident.  When you included shipping it cost the same to buy them at
> locally at Staples or Walmart as it does online.
>
>
>
> On Sun, 2009-05-10 at 10:05 -0500, Lars Althof wrote:
>   
>> I got one of the small Seagate drives. It was Windows formatted (of
>> course), but it was no big deal to repartition and format with ext3.
>>
>> Matthew Lechleider wrote: 
>>     
>>> I have been shopping around for a portable USB drive for my laptop.
>>>
>>> I have been looking at the physically smaller drives such as the Western 
>>> Digital Passport.
>>>
>>>  From what I have heard the drives come with special software which can 
>>> be a pain to change the file system type.
>>>
>>> Any Linux users out there have any experiences or recommendations?
>>>
>>>
>>> Todd Walton wrote:
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> Is there anything I should watch out for in geting an external hard
>>>> drive that will work with Linux?  I would think that hard drive and
>>>> USB connection would be pretty standard and Linux could use it, but
>>>> I'd like to make sure.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Todd
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Cialug mailing list
>>>> Cialug at cialug.org
>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>>   
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cialug mailing list
>>> Cialug at cialug.org
>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>   
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cialug mailing list
>> Cialug at cialug.org
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>     

From inflatablesoulmate at brothersofchaos.com  Sun May 10 16:35:51 2009
From: inflatablesoulmate at brothersofchaos.com (Matt Stanton)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 16:35:51 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] External Hard Drive
In-Reply-To: <4A06FA09.4090409@afan.net>
References: <e1d8c6520905100519ycad5ef2gf51bdcadde5516c2@mail.gmail.com>	<4A06DEE6.8010209@lechleider.com>	<4A06ED50.9050102@larch.dk>
	<1241970885.24193.162.camel@rhel5> <4A06FA09.4090409@afan.net>
Message-ID: <4A0748B7.70907@brothersofchaos.com>

I recently bought a WD My Passport (500GB) external USB-powered HD for 
my HP mini, on which I'm running Ubuntu Netbook Remix.  I am using it as 
a portable media drive.  So, I needed it to be recognized by windows and 
linux.  I plugged it into my home PC, running Vista Ultimate x64, 
deleted all the WD software on the drive (backup/sync software), and 
transfered all my anime, tv shows, movies, and mp3s to it (without doing 
any sort of formatting).  When I finally got everything transfered (a 5 
hour affair), I plugged it into my netbook and linux recognized it and 
everything on it perfectly... even automounted it.

Other than having to grab some gstreamer plugins for the necessary 
codecs, everything worked out of the box.  The only thing that comes to 
mind that I haven't tried to do is save something from linux to the 
drive, since I don't use the netbook to download stuff.  Checking the 
filesystem, it seems that it came formatted as FAT32.

Hope this helps.

From newz at bearfruit.org  Sun May 10 20:43:25 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 20:43:25 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] External Hard Drive
In-Reply-To: <4A06ED50.9050102@larch.dk>
References: <e1d8c6520905100519ycad5ef2gf51bdcadde5516c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A06DEE6.8010209@lechleider.com> <4A06ED50.9050102@larch.dk>
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080905101843o36570d1fr8d2a659b4565b925@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Lars Althof <lars at larch.dk> wrote:
> I got one of the small Seagate drives. It was Windows formatted (of course),
> but it was no big deal to repartition and format with ext3.
>


BTW, when you don't format them as fat32 it changes the way they work.
ext2/3 drives have permissions so simply being a member of the 'disk'
group doesn't automatically give you full access to the drive. You
need to create a folder and chown it to your user account or give
yourself some special read/write privs if you want to access it.

I have a fixed-location usb hard drive formatted as ext3 and it works
fine hot plugging. But the permissions thing threw me for a while.

If you build your own, remember that laptops can source max of 500ma
on one USB port. I've seen some drives that require twice that.
Generally the higher performace 7200 rpm drives use more power but I
even have an older 4200 that took too much power to be used.

Cheaper devices have a cord with two usb ends to work around this. It
is a hack imho and I'm really surprised it even works.

Some laptops have a special port that works with external drives from
the same manufacturer that allow them to use more power. My Dell
Latitude 4D20 and the Mac Book Air are examples of this.

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter

From daniel.ramaley at drake.edu  Mon May 11 08:15:29 2009
From: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu (Daniel A. Ramaley)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 08:15:29 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Alpha work stations
In-Reply-To: <4A05DB84.3000907@larch.dk>
References: <4A05DB84.3000907@larch.dk>
Message-ID: <200905110815.29353.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>

On 2009-05-09 at 14:37:40, Lars Althof wrote:
>Digital Personal Workstation 500au. Needs a new SCSI hard drive

I have a pile of SCSI hard drives from an AlphaServer here that are free 
for the taking. Removing them from the caddy they are in is a mild 
hassle; doing that will be up to whoever takes them.

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Dan Ramaley                            Dial Center 118, Drake University
Network Programmer/Analyst             2407 Carpenter Ave
+1 515 271-4540                        Des Moines IA 50311 USA

From dave at dchamp.net  Mon May 11 11:03:07 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 11:03:07 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] External Hard Drive
In-Reply-To: <e1d8c6520905100519ycad5ef2gf51bdcadde5516c2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e1d8c6520905100519ycad5ef2gf51bdcadde5516c2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A084C3B.8020405@dchamp.net>

I have a WD Passport 250 gb drive I got about 1 1/2 years ago. I've kept 
it formatted as-is (FAT32-ish), works fine in Linux. I just removed the 
autorun.bat so it doesn't try to get jiggy with installing it's software 
when I plug it into a Windows machine. The main drawback with the FAT32 
formatting is you can't copy files larger than 2gb to it. This drive 
seems to get enough power with every USB connector I've tried... which 
is a good thing since it doesn't have any other power options - the only 
port on it is the single mini USB port.

I've also cracked it open before to borrow the USB to SATA controller 
when I upgraded the HD in my laptop. It wasn't terribly hard, I almost 
tore my fingernails off, until I found that a thin guitar pick works 
pretty well for popping the little latches.

I have a cheap USB / PATA 2.5" enclosure I got at CompUSA, called a "Mad 
Dog" and put one of my old laptop drives in it, have it formatted ext2 
and use it when I need to copy larger files. This one also has a 
seperate power connector with a USB cable to get around the power issue 
Matt mentioned, I've only had to use that on a couple of older machines. 
It also has a 5-pin Firewire port, which is what I use when I'm plugging 
it into my older Shuttle that doesn't have enough USB power.

-dc

Todd Walton wrote:
> Is there anything I should watch out for in geting an external hard
> drive that will work with Linux?  I would think that hard drive and
> USB connection would be pretty standard and Linux could use it, but
> I'd like to make sure.
>
> --
> Todd
> _______________________________________________
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> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
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From ralphkessel75 at yahoo.com  Mon May 11 15:51:12 2009
From: ralphkessel75 at yahoo.com (Ralph Kessel)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 13:51:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Cialug] can't seem to connect my linux hd with my new windows drive
Message-ID: <363302.13724.qm@web46410.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

For some reason, whatever I do, I can't seem to get synchronization via grub with my new VISTA hd and my Ubuntu 9.04 hd. I've checked info on my menu.lst in linux but on get a Grub error 15 when I make my linux hd my boot drive, otherwise it boots right into Windoze. My boot cd seems to work well thank you what could I be doing wrong?
BTW thanks for your response. I did get my Windoze drive installed. 
Your kind assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks once again 
Ralph Kessel.



      
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From ralphkessel75 at yahoo.com  Mon May 11 16:38:58 2009
From: ralphkessel75 at yahoo.com (Ralph Kessel)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 14:38:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Cialug] Fw: can't seem to connect my linux hd with my new windows
	drive
Message-ID: <247470.42675.qm@web46412.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

BTW my Linux / Ubuntu hd has the following entries in my menu.lst while the recover boot disk does not

--- On Mon, 5/11/09, Ralph Kessel <ralphkessel75 at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Ralph Kessel <ralphkessel75 at yahoo.com>
Subject: can't seem to connect my linux hd with my new windows drive
To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" <cialug at cialug.org>
Date: Monday, May 11, 2009, 8:51 PM

For some reason, whatever I do, I can't seem to get synchronization via grub with my new VISTA hd and my Ubuntu 9.04 hd. I've checked info on my menu.lst in linux but on get a Grub error 15 when I make my linux hd my boot drive, otherwise it boots right into Windoze. My boot cd seems to work well thank you what could I be doing wrong?
BTW thanks for your response. I did get my Windoze drive installed. 
Your kind assistance would be greatly appreciated.
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Thanks once again 
Ralph Kessel.
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From jim.asbille at gmail.com  Mon May 11 16:57:29 2009
From: jim.asbille at gmail.com (Jim Asbille)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 16:57:29 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] External Hard Drive
In-Reply-To: <e1d8c6520905100519ycad5ef2gf51bdcadde5516c2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e1d8c6520905100519ycad5ef2gf51bdcadde5516c2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <60fcb45d0905111457p4da4a59t3cda11d906bc519@mail.gmail.com>

I am real happy with this drive TrekStor DataStation 88350 500GB 3.5-Inch
maxi m.u SATA External Hard Drive
(Black)<http://www.amazon.com/TrekStor-DataStation-88350-maxi-SATA/dp/B000QG89TM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1242078919&sr=8-1>
TrekStor
DataStation 88350 500GB 3.5-Inch maxi m.u SATA External Hard Drive
(Black)<http://www.amazon.com/TrekStor-DataStation-88350-maxi-SATA/dp/B000QG89TM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1242078919&sr=8-1>.
 I got it at Amazon.com for $88 total.  Plugged it in and it worked.

On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 7:19 AM, Todd Walton <tdwalton at gmail.com> wrote:

> Is there anything I should watch out for in geting an external hard
> drive that will work with Linux?  I would think that hard drive and
> USB connection would be pretty standard and Linux could use it, but
> I'd like to make sure.
>
> --
> Todd
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>



-- 
Jim Asbille, MSM
registered Linux user number 388067

The difference between Microsoft and ?Jurassic Park?:
In one, a mad businessman makes a lot of money with beasts that should be
extinct.
The other is a film.
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From tdwalton at gmail.com  Mon May 11 19:13:02 2009
From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 19:13:02 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] can't seem to connect my linux hd with my new windows
	drive
In-Reply-To: <363302.13724.qm@web46410.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <363302.13724.qm@web46410.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <e1d8c6520905111713s40e52d5cj3250015fb92f2496@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Ralph Kessel <ralphkessel75 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> For some reason, whatever I do, I can't seem to get synchronization via grub
> with my new VISTA hd and my Ubuntu 9.04 hd.

I'm not sure what you mean by "synchronization".  Can you explain it
in different terms?

> get a Grub error 15 when I make my linux hd my boot drive

When you boot the computer, do you get to the Grub menu?  Do you at
least get that far?

Also, could you please post the text from your menu.lst (or grub.conf)?

--
Todd

From jrnosee at gmail.com  Mon May 11 22:25:59 2009
From: jrnosee at gmail.com (jrnosee at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 22:25:59 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] can't seem to connect my linux hd with my new windows
	drive
In-Reply-To: <e1d8c6520905111713s40e52d5cj3250015fb92f2496@mail.gmail.com>
References: <363302.13724.qm@web46410.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<e1d8c6520905111713s40e52d5cj3250015fb92f2496@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a202c1b0905112025y759dda05ve922a42c0d6b846d@mail.gmail.com>

check your hd(x,y) on your linux boot option. x= drive, y=partition

On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 7:13 PM, Todd Walton <tdwalton at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Ralph Kessel <ralphkessel75 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > For some reason, whatever I do, I can't seem to get synchronization via
> grub
> > with my new VISTA hd and my Ubuntu 9.04 hd.
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by "synchronization".  Can you explain it
> in different terms?
>
> > get a Grub error 15 when I make my linux hd my boot drive
>
> When you boot the computer, do you get to the Grub menu?  Do you at
> least get that far?
>
> Also, could you please post the text from your menu.lst (or grub.conf)?
>
> --
> Todd
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
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From mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu  Tue May 12 13:47:54 2009
From: mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu (Mathew R. Phillips)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 13:47:54 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Command Line Linux
Message-ID: <7D5145B2B2D81944999D746098747FB106FBA6@WARTBURG-EVS-01.wartburg.edu>


I just had a general question. I use ubuntu and I'm interested in installing the server edition on an older computer to learn the ins and outs of linux servers but I don't want to install it with a gui... and I can't seem to find out if it does that by default or if there is something I need to specify during install. Any hints/resources that could help me? I'm also up for installing another CLI linux distro if that would be more practical than ubuntu. 
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From chapinjeff at gmail.com  Tue May 12 14:00:31 2009
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 14:00:31 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Command Line Linux
In-Reply-To: <7D5145B2B2D81944999D746098747FB106FBA6@WARTBURG-EVS-01.wartburg.edu>
References: <7D5145B2B2D81944999D746098747FB106FBA6@WARTBURG-EVS-01.wartburg.edu>
Message-ID: <4A09C74F.9070401@gmail.com>

I simply make sure to do a base install, which does not include a gui,
at least in RHEL based distros.

Jeff

Mathew R. Phillips wrote:
>
> I just had a general question. I use ubuntu and I'm interested in
> installing the server edition on an older computer to learn the ins
> and outs of linux servers but I don't want to install it with a gui...
> and I can't seem to find out if it does that by default or if there is
> something I need to specify during install. Any hints/resources that
> could help me? I'm also up for installing another CLI linux distro if
> that would be more practical than ubuntu.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>   


From dave at dchamp.net  Tue May 12 14:11:01 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 14:11:01 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Command Line Linux
In-Reply-To: <7D5145B2B2D81944999D746098747FB106FBA6@WARTBURG-EVS-01.wartburg.edu>
References: <7D5145B2B2D81944999D746098747FB106FBA6@WARTBURG-EVS-01.wartburg.edu>
Message-ID: <4A09C9C5.9090108@dchamp.net>

Even if you do install the GUI, it's not that big. I installed Kubuntu 
9.04, it takes up a whole 3.5gb for everything, including KDE, Firefox, 
Tbird, Quanta, the LAMP stack, and a few other goodies. You can change 
it to CLI mode by changing the runlevel... or there's probably an Ubuntu 
way to make that happen too.

Personally I usually leave a GUI installed even if I rarely run it on 
servers, it sometimes comes in handy.

-dc

Mathew R. Phillips wrote:
>
> I just had a general question. I use ubuntu and I'm interested in 
> installing the server edition on an older computer to learn the ins 
> and outs of linux servers but I don't want to install it with a gui... 
> and I can't seem to find out if it does that by default or if there is 
> something I need to specify during install. Any hints/resources that 
> could help me? I'm also up for installing another CLI linux distro if 
> that would be more practical than ubuntu.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>   


From chris at ia.gov  Tue May 12 14:23:10 2009
From: chris at ia.gov (chris)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 14:23:10 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Not that big?  (Was  Command Line Linux)
In-Reply-To: <4A09C9C5.9090108@dchamp.net>
References: <7D5145B2B2D81944999D746098747FB106FBA6@WARTBURG-EVS-01.wartburg.edu>
	<4A09C9C5.9090108@dchamp.net>
Message-ID: <4A09CC9E.9020801@ia.gov>

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David Champion wrote:
> Even if you do install the GUI, it's not that big. I installed Kubuntu 
> 9.04, it takes up a whole 3.5gb for everything, including KDE, Firefox, 
> Tbird, Quanta, the LAMP stack, and a few other goodies. You can change 
> it to CLI mode by changing the runlevel... or there's probably an Ubuntu 
> way to make that happen too.

Oh my.  Since when is 3.5gb "not that big"?   My Slackware base and OpenSuse base gui-less installs with Apache HTTPD
come in < 500MB will all kinds of extras.

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From thiessenstuart at aol.com  Tue May 12 14:25:57 2009
From: thiessenstuart at aol.com (Stuart Thiessen)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 14:25:57 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Not that big?  (Was  Command Line Linux)
In-Reply-To: <4A09CC9E.9020801@ia.gov>
References: <7D5145B2B2D81944999D746098747FB106FBA6@WARTBURG-EVS-01.wartburg.edu>
	<4A09C9C5.9090108@dchamp.net> <4A09CC9E.9020801@ia.gov>
Message-ID: <13F0793F-669D-4577-B37A-917473B8698D@aol.com>

Perhaps "not that big" is defined by what can fit on a USB stick? :)

On May 12, 2009, at 14:23 , chris wrote:

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> David Champion wrote:
>> Even if you do install the GUI, it's not that big. I installed  
>> Kubuntu
>> 9.04, it takes up a whole 3.5gb for everything, including KDE,  
>> Firefox,
>> Tbird, Quanta, the LAMP stack, and a few other goodies. You can  
>> change
>> it to CLI mode by changing the runlevel... or there's probably an  
>> Ubuntu
>> way to make that happen too.
>
> Oh my.  Since when is 3.5gb "not that big"?   My Slackware base and  
> OpenSuse base gui-less installs with Apache HTTPD
> come in < 500MB will all kinds of extras.
>
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> Cialug at cialug.org
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From dave at dchamp.net  Tue May 12 14:34:17 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 14:34:17 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Not that big?  (Was  Command Line Linux)
In-Reply-To: <13F0793F-669D-4577-B37A-917473B8698D@aol.com>
References: <7D5145B2B2D81944999D746098747FB106FBA6@WARTBURG-EVS-01.wartburg.edu>	<4A09C9C5.9090108@dchamp.net>
	<4A09CC9E.9020801@ia.gov>
	<13F0793F-669D-4577-B37A-917473B8698D@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4A09CF39.7070701@dchamp.net>

I was thinking "not that big" by modern standards... what's the smallest 
HD you can buy these days, like 250gb?

If you can't install Ubuntu server (I don't know, haven't tried it, but 
I suspect you can) with no GUI, you can always install Debian... or any 
one of the other distros.

-dc

Stuart Thiessen wrote:
> Perhaps "not that big" is defined by what can fit on a USB stick? :)
>
> On May 12, 2009, at 14:23 , chris wrote:
>
>   
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>> David Champion wrote:
>>     
>>> Even if you do install the GUI, it's not that big. I installed  
>>> Kubuntu
>>> 9.04, it takes up a whole 3.5gb for everything, including KDE,  
>>> Firefox,
>>> Tbird, Quanta, the LAMP stack, and a few other goodies. You can  
>>> change
>>> it to CLI mode by changing the runlevel... or there's probably an  
>>> Ubuntu
>>> way to make that happen too.
>>>       
>> Oh my.  Since when is 3.5gb "not that big"?   My Slackware base and  
>> OpenSuse base gui-less installs with Apache HTTPD
>> come in < 500MB will all kinds of extras.
>>
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>> Cialug mailing list
>> Cialug at cialug.org
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
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>   


From timchampion at gmail.com  Tue May 12 14:39:17 2009
From: timchampion at gmail.com (Tim Champion)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 14:39:17 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Not that big? (Was Command Line Linux)
In-Reply-To: <4A09CF39.7070701@dchamp.net>
References: <7D5145B2B2D81944999D746098747FB106FBA6@WARTBURG-EVS-01.wartburg.edu>
	<4A09C9C5.9090108@dchamp.net> <4A09CC9E.9020801@ia.gov>
	<13F0793F-669D-4577-B37A-917473B8698D@aol.com>
	<4A09CF39.7070701@dchamp.net>
Message-ID: <7aa1cdb20905121239w7598163ey679600d1b2eab2f4@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 2:34 PM, David Champion <dave at dchamp.net> wrote:

> I was thinking "not that big" by modern standards... what's the smallest
> HD you can buy these days, like 250gb?
>
> If you can't install Ubuntu server (I don't know, haven't tried it, but
> I suspect you can) with no GUI, you can always install Debian... or any
> one of the other distros.
>
> -dc
>
> Stuart Thiessen wrote:
> > Perhaps "not that big" is defined by what can fit on a USB stick? :)
> >
> > On May 12, 2009, at 14:23 , chris wrote:
> >
> >
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> >> David Champion wrote:
> >>
> >>> Even if you do install the GUI, it's not that big. I installed
> >>> Kubuntu
> >>> 9.04, it takes up a whole 3.5gb for everything, including KDE,
> >>> Firefox,
> >>> Tbird, Quanta, the LAMP stack, and a few other goodies. You can
> >>> change
> >>> it to CLI mode by changing the runlevel... or there's probably an
> >>> Ubuntu
> >>> way to make that happen too.
> >>>
> >> Oh my.  Since when is 3.5gb "not that big"?   My Slackware base and
> >> OpenSuse base gui-less installs with Apache HTTPD
> >> come in < 500MB will all kinds of extras.
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I'm not sure about the current version of Ubuntu, but I installed 8.04 LTS
server a while back, by taking the defaults at install time, it did not
install X-windows.  just had command prompt.  I guess its possible I
un-checked some stuff on the install wizard, but I usually just blindly
click "next" when I'm installing stuff, so I seriously doubt I did anything
that strayed from the default options.

Tim Champion
timchampion at gmail.com
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From chris at ia.gov  Tue May 12 14:42:17 2009
From: chris at ia.gov (chris)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 14:42:17 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Not that big?  (Was  Command Line Linux)
In-Reply-To: <4A09CF39.7070701@dchamp.net>
References: <7D5145B2B2D81944999D746098747FB106FBA6@WARTBURG-EVS-01.wartburg.edu>	<4A09C9C5.9090108@dchamp.net>	<4A09CC9E.9020801@ia.gov>	<13F0793F-669D-4577-B37A-917473B8698D@aol.com>
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David Champion wrote:
> I was thinking "not that big" by modern standards... what's the smallest 
> HD you can buy these days, like 250gb?

I suppose I just dated myself.  I nearly fell out of my chair at the 3.5GB thing, but I suppose you have a point about
that being trivial these days.  Still though, I've always been one to preach not installing something until you know
need it.  Today's package manager utilities make finding what you need and installing it trivial.  Even from the command
line.

crr

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From brandongriffis at gmail.com  Tue May 12 14:45:59 2009
From: brandongriffis at gmail.com (Brandon Griffis)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 14:45:59 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Command Line Linux
In-Reply-To: <7D5145B2B2D81944999D746098747FB106FBA6@WARTBURG-EVS-01.wartburg.edu>
References: <7D5145B2B2D81944999D746098747FB106FBA6@WARTBURG-EVS-01.wartburg.edu>
Message-ID: <9089dcd30905121245q64024411m397f7f35eacea44b@mail.gmail.com>

Ubuntu-server does not install a gui by default.  Have fun.  :-)

On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Mathew R. Phillips <
mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu> wrote:

>
> I just had a general question. I use ubuntu and I'm interested in
> installing the server edition on an older computer to learn the ins and outs
> of linux servers but I don't want to install it with a gui... and I can't
> seem to find out if it does that by default or if there is something I need
> to specify during install. Any hints/resources that could help me? I'm also
> up for installing another CLI linux distro if that would be more practical
> than ubuntu.
>
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From dave at dchamp.net  Tue May 12 14:54:36 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 14:54:36 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Not that big?  (Was  Command Line Linux)
In-Reply-To: <4A09D119.6070305@ia.gov>
References: <7D5145B2B2D81944999D746098747FB106FBA6@WARTBURG-EVS-01.wartburg.edu>	<4A09C9C5.9090108@dchamp.net>	<4A09CC9E.9020801@ia.gov>	<13F0793F-669D-4577-B37A-917473B8698D@aol.com>	<4A09CF39.7070701@dchamp.net>
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chris wrote:
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> David Champion wrote:
>   
>> I was thinking "not that big" by modern standards... what's the smallest 
>> HD you can buy these days, like 250gb?
>>     
>
> I suppose I just dated myself.  I nearly fell out of my chair at the 3.5GB thing, but I suppose you have a point about
> that being trivial these days.  Still though, I've always been one to preach not installing something until you know
> need it.  Today's package manager utilities make finding what you need and installing it trivial.  Even from the command
> line.
>
> crr
>   
I'm fairly "dated" myself. My first x86 PC had a 20mb Seagate HD, until 
I got a used Mitsubishi 60mb drive (5.25" full height) that sounded like 
it was driven by the motor from a Mitsubishi Zero.

-dc


From daniel.ramaley at drake.edu  Tue May 12 15:14:37 2009
From: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu (Daniel A. Ramaley)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 15:14:37 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Command Line Linux
In-Reply-To: <4A09C9C5.9090108@dchamp.net>
References: <7D5145B2B2D81944999D746098747FB106FBA6@WARTBURG-EVS-01.wartburg.edu>
	<4A09C9C5.9090108@dchamp.net>
Message-ID: <200905121514.37542.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>

For me, installing libX11 is usually sufficient on servers. That way i 
can run X apps remotely (typically tunneled through SSH) without having 
to configure a local X server. I like being able to do something like 
"emacs /some/file &" and still have a prompt to do something else such 
as "/etc/init.d/some_daemon reload". Of course there are other ways to 
do the same thing without X11, such as do the editing with vim and 
ctrl-z back to a prompt as needed.

On 2009-05-12 at 14:11:01, David Champion wrote:
>Even if you do install the GUI, it's not that big. I installed Kubuntu
>9.04, it takes up a whole 3.5gb for everything, including KDE,
> Firefox, Tbird, Quanta, the LAMP stack, and a few other goodies. You
> can change it to CLI mode by changing the runlevel... or there's
> probably an Ubuntu way to make that happen too.
>
>Personally I usually leave a GUI installed even if I rarely run it on
>servers, it sometimes comes in handy.
>
>-dc
>
>Mathew R. Phillips wrote:
>> I just had a general question. I use ubuntu and I'm interested in
>> installing the server edition on an older computer to learn the ins
>> and outs of linux servers but I don't want to install it with a
>> gui... and I can't seem to find out if it does that by default or if
>> there is something I need to specify during install. Any
>> hints/resources that could help me? I'm also up for installing
>> another CLI linux distro if that would be more practical than
>> ubuntu.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dan Ramaley                            Dial Center 118, Drake University
Network Programmer/Analyst             2407 Carpenter Ave
+1 515 271-4540                        Des Moines IA 50311 USA

From dave at dchamp.net  Tue May 12 15:17:57 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 15:17:57 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Command Line Linux
In-Reply-To: <200905121514.37542.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
References: <7D5145B2B2D81944999D746098747FB106FBA6@WARTBURG-EVS-01.wartburg.edu>	<4A09C9C5.9090108@dchamp.net>
	<200905121514.37542.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
Message-ID: <4A09D975.9000107@dchamp.net>

screen.

-dc

Daniel A. Ramaley wrote:
> For me, installing libX11 is usually sufficient on servers. That way i 
> can run X apps remotely (typically tunneled through SSH) without having 
> to configure a local X server. I like being able to do something like 
> "emacs /some/file &" and still have a prompt to do something else such 
> as "/etc/init.d/some_daemon reload". Of course there are other ways to 
> do the same thing without X11, such as do the editing with vim and 
> ctrl-z back to a prompt as needed.
>
> On 2009-05-12 at 14:11:01, David Champion wrote:
>   
>> Even if you do install the GUI, it's not that big. I installed Kubuntu
>> 9.04, it takes up a whole 3.5gb for everything, including KDE,
>> Firefox, Tbird, Quanta, the LAMP stack, and a few other goodies. You
>> can change it to CLI mode by changing the runlevel... or there's
>> probably an Ubuntu way to make that happen too.
>>
>> Personally I usually leave a GUI installed even if I rarely run it on
>> servers, it sometimes comes in handy.
>>
>> -dc
>>
>> Mathew R. Phillips wrote:
>>     
>>> I just had a general question. I use ubuntu and I'm interested in
>>> installing the server edition on an older computer to learn the ins
>>> and outs of linux servers but I don't want to install it with a
>>> gui... and I can't seem to find out if it does that by default or if
>>> there is something I need to specify during install. Any
>>> hints/resources that could help me? I'm also up for installing
>>> another CLI linux distro if that would be more practical than
>>> ubuntu.
>>>       
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Dan Ramaley                            Dial Center 118, Drake University
> Network Programmer/Analyst             2407 Carpenter Ave
> +1 515 271-4540                        Des Moines IA 50311 USA
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
>   


From chapinjeff at gmail.com  Tue May 12 15:20:22 2009
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 15:20:22 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Command Line Linux
In-Reply-To: <200905121514.37542.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
References: <7D5145B2B2D81944999D746098747FB106FBA6@WARTBURG-EVS-01.wartburg.edu>	<4A09C9C5.9090108@dchamp.net>
	<200905121514.37542.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
Message-ID: <4A09DA06.2080901@gmail.com>

Emacs requires x?

One of these days, they will get around to including a text editor in
that monstrosity and then it will do everything.


Daniel A. Ramaley wrote:
> For me, installing libX11 is usually sufficient on servers. That way i 
> can run X apps remotely (typically tunneled through SSH) without having 
> to configure a local X server. I like being able to do something like 
> "emacs /some/file &" and still have a prompt to do something else such 
> as "/etc/init.d/some_daemon reload". Of course there are other ways to 
> do the same thing without X11, such as do the editing with vim and 
> ctrl-z back to a prompt as needed.
>
> On 2009-05-12 at 14:11:01, David Champion wrote:
>   
>> Even if you do install the GUI, it's not that big. I installed Kubuntu
>> 9.04, it takes up a whole 3.5gb for everything, including KDE,
>> Firefox, Tbird, Quanta, the LAMP stack, and a few other goodies. You
>> can change it to CLI mode by changing the runlevel... or there's
>> probably an Ubuntu way to make that happen too.
>>
>> Personally I usually leave a GUI installed even if I rarely run it on
>> servers, it sometimes comes in handy.
>>
>> -dc
>>
>> Mathew R. Phillips wrote:
>>     
>>> I just had a general question. I use ubuntu and I'm interested in
>>> installing the server edition on an older computer to learn the ins
>>> and outs of linux servers but I don't want to install it with a
>>> gui... and I can't seem to find out if it does that by default or if
>>> there is something I need to specify during install. Any
>>> hints/resources that could help me? I'm also up for installing
>>> another CLI linux distro if that would be more practical than
>>> ubuntu.
>>>       
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Dan Ramaley                            Dial Center 118, Drake University
> Network Programmer/Analyst             2407 Carpenter Ave
> +1 515 271-4540                        Des Moines IA 50311 USA
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>   


From chris at ia.gov  Tue May 12 15:22:10 2009
From: chris at ia.gov (chris)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 15:22:10 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Not that big?  (Was  Command Line Linux)
In-Reply-To: <4A09D3FC.3050408@dchamp.net>
References: <7D5145B2B2D81944999D746098747FB106FBA6@WARTBURG-EVS-01.wartburg.edu>	<4A09C9C5.9090108@dchamp.net>	<4A09CC9E.9020801@ia.gov>	<13F0793F-669D-4577-B37A-917473B8698D@aol.com>	<4A09CF39.7070701@dchamp.net>	<4A09D119.6070305@ia.gov>
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> I'm fairly "dated" myself. My first x86 PC had a 20mb Seagate HD, until 
> I got a used Mitsubishi 60mb drive (5.25" full height) that sounded like 
> it was driven by the motor from a Mitsubishi Zero.
> 
> -dc

I spent my early days swapping from 143k(?) play disk to character disk in the Wizardry series and Ultima I/II/III and I
thought that was a huge improvement over the cassette tape storage on my Timex Sinclair.  You guy's are all spoiled. ;)

On another topic, those early Seagates were nearly bullet proof. My first usable (IDE) HD's were seagates and I recall
using a pair of 104MB ones for years before one of them failed when a mouse peed on it.  I'm not kidding.  The stuff
stinks and makes a green foam when subjected to heat and electricity.  (Please don't try this at home.) No doubt what it
was, I found half a cheesy puff that I had dropped and had disappeared before I managed to pick it up inside the case
and a wee bit of #2 near by.  Those metal clips from the unused card slots really do serve a purpose.

crr

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From newz at bearfruit.org  Tue May 12 15:33:49 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 15:33:49 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Command Line Linux
In-Reply-To: <7D5145B2B2D81944999D746098747FB106FBA6@WARTBURG-EVS-01.wartburg.edu>
References: <7D5145B2B2D81944999D746098747FB106FBA6@WARTBURG-EVS-01.wartburg.edu>
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080905121333o6593b98et4cbd5f04bdd940dc@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Mathew R. Phillips
<mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu> wrote:
>
> I just had a general question. I use ubuntu and I'm interested in installing
> the server edition on an older computer to learn the ins and outs of linux
> servers but I don't want to install it with a gui... and I can't seem to
> find out if it does that by default or if there is something I need to
> specify during install. Any hints/resources that could help me? I'm also up
> for installing another CLI linux distro if that would be more practical than
> ubuntu.
>

The server edition has a very nice command line interface. Last I
checked a clean install used about 500MB. If you want less you can use
Ubuntu JeOS (Just enough operating system) which is targeted at
virtual environments and uses about 150MB. A basic Debian install is
quite compact as well.

You should tell what you want to experiment with. Just command line
usage in general or do you want to configure a real server? Some
distros are better for some types of server tasks than others. For
example if an LDAP server I think the Fedora Directory Server gets you
going quicker. For a web server I'm truly in love with the
Ubuntu/Debian way of doing things (a2ensite etc). For mail, Debian
uses exim (light and simple), while Fedora and Ubuntu use Postfix.
(Could be wrong on the email servers).

And if you want couchdb... sudo apt-get install couchdb on the latest
ubuntu server will give you a slick system.

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter

From daniel.ramaley at drake.edu  Tue May 12 15:46:26 2009
From: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu (Daniel A. Ramaley)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 15:46:26 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Command Line Linux
In-Reply-To: <4A09DA06.2080901@gmail.com>
References: <7D5145B2B2D81944999D746098747FB106FBA6@WARTBURG-EVS-01.wartburg.edu>
	<200905121514.37542.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
	<4A09DA06.2080901@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200905121546.26694.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>

On 2009-05-12 at 15:20:22, Jeff Chapin wrote:
>Emacs requires x?

To run in X mode, yes. To run CLI-only, no.

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Dan Ramaley                            Dial Center 118, Drake University
Network Programmer/Analyst             2407 Carpenter Ave
+1 515 271-4540                        Des Moines IA 50311 USA

From mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu  Tue May 12 18:36:23 2009
From: mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu (Mathew R. Phillips)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 18:36:23 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Command Line Linux
References: <7D5145B2B2D81944999D746098747FB106FBA6@WARTBURG-EVS-01.wartburg.edu><200905121514.37542.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu><4A09DA06.2080901@gmail.com>
	<200905121546.26694.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
Message-ID: <7D5145B2B2D81944999D746098747FB106FBA7@WARTBURG-EVS-01.wartburg.edu>


Wow. I just wanted to say thanks for the quick and plentiful responses. I decided to do a net-install of debian which did not install a gui. i installed ssh and now I'm just configuring the webserver stuff for php,mysql... I like the fact that ubuntu is based on debian because its very easy to get around debian after being an ubuntu user. I might try installing ubuntu-server on another harddrive and stick it into the pc but i'll have to scrounge one up first. I love that there is a lug in iowa as I am a student at Wartburg, but I do wish it was a little closer because it would be nice to come to the meetings. Any chance of some sort of webcast for it?

-----Original Message-----
From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org on behalf of Daniel A. Ramaley
Sent: Tue 5/12/2009 3:46 PM
To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
Subject: Re: [Cialug] Command Line Linux
 
On 2009-05-12 at 15:20:22, Jeff Chapin wrote:
>Emacs requires x?

To run in X mode, yes. To run CLI-only, no.

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Network Programmer/Analyst             2407 Carpenter Ave
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From barry at vonahsen.com  Tue May 12 18:48:24 2009
From: barry at vonahsen.com (Barry Von Ahsen)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 18:48:24 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Command Line Linux
In-Reply-To: <7D5145B2B2D81944999D746098747FB106FBA7@WARTBURG-EVS-01.wartburg.edu>
References: <7D5145B2B2D81944999D746098747FB106FBA6@WARTBURG-EVS-01.wartburg.edu><200905121514.37542.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu><4A09DA06.2080901@gmail.com>	<200905121546.26694.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
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Message-ID: <4A0A0AC8.80501@vonahsen.com>

there's a lug at UNI, but they're pretty quiet.  I think they just had 
their annual meeting :)

http://www.cedarlug.org

-barry


Mathew R. Phillips wrote:
> Wow. I just wanted to say thanks for the quick and plentiful responses. I decided to do a net-install of debian which did not install a gui. i installed ssh and now I'm just configuring the webserver stuff for php,mysql... I like the fact that ubuntu is based on debian because its very easy to get around debian after being an ubuntu user. I might try installing ubuntu-server on another harddrive and stick it into the pc but i'll have to scrounge one up first. I love that there is a lug in iowa as I am a student at Wartburg, but I do wish it was a little closer because it would be nice to come to the meetings. Any chance of some sort of webcast for it?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org on behalf of Daniel A. Ramaley
> Sent: Tue 5/12/2009 3:46 PM
> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Command Line Linux
>  
> On 2009-05-12 at 15:20:22, Jeff Chapin wrote:
>> Emacs requires x?
> 
> To run in X mode, yes. To run CLI-only, no.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Dan Ramaley                            Dial Center 118, Drake University
> Network Programmer/Analyst             2407 Carpenter Ave
> +1 515 271-4540                        Des Moines IA 50311 USA
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> 
> 
> 
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From mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu  Wed May 13 20:45:47 2009
From: mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu (Mathew R. Phillips)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 20:45:47 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Jobs
Message-ID: <7D5145B2B2D81944999D746098747FB106FBAD@WARTBURG-EVS-01.wartburg.edu>


I'm interested in some sort of job opportunity this summer in Iowa doing computer related things either as an internship or summer job.. I've searched monster and other job places and most things are located down around des moines which probably won't work out for me. I'm looking for something about as far as cedar rapids to the south. I'm a second year cs major looking for something to actually put on a resume instead of Subway... Any help would be much appreciated. 
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From timchampion at gmail.com  Thu May 14 08:24:46 2009
From: timchampion at gmail.com (Tim Champion)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 08:24:46 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Jobs
In-Reply-To: <7D5145B2B2D81944999D746098747FB106FBAD@WARTBURG-EVS-01.wartburg.edu>
References: <7D5145B2B2D81944999D746098747FB106FBAD@WARTBURG-EVS-01.wartburg.edu>
Message-ID: <7aa1cdb20905140624u48f13fe9tc6d56c9d81a3d92b@mail.gmail.com>

Where are you located?  I'm not quite sure why Cedar Rapids works, but Des
Moines doesn't.  They're about strait across from each-other, so you must be
using some other distance criteria.

I may have something in Marshalltown, but don't know if that's too far away
from you.

Tim Champion
timchampion at gmail.com


On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Mathew R. Phillips <
mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu> wrote:

>
> I'm interested in some sort of job opportunity this summer in Iowa doing
> computer related things either as an internship or summer job.. I've
> searched monster and other job places and most things are located down
> around des moines which probably won't work out for me. I'm looking for
> something about as far as cedar rapids to the south. I'm a second year cs
> major looking for something to actually put on a resume instead of Subway...
> Any help would be much appreciated.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
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From timchampion at gmail.com  Thu May 14 08:25:56 2009
From: timchampion at gmail.com (Tim Champion)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 08:25:56 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Jobs
In-Reply-To: <7aa1cdb20905140624u48f13fe9tc6d56c9d81a3d92b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7D5145B2B2D81944999D746098747FB106FBAD@WARTBURG-EVS-01.wartburg.edu>
	<7aa1cdb20905140624u48f13fe9tc6d56c9d81a3d92b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7aa1cdb20905140625m3a7be76ck327f5e51533395d2@mail.gmail.com>

oops, meant to send that off-list.

Tim Champion
timchampion at gmail.com


On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Tim Champion <timchampion at gmail.com> wrote:

> Where are you located?  I'm not quite sure why Cedar Rapids works, but Des
> Moines doesn't.  They're about strait across from each-other, so you must be
> using some other distance criteria.
>
> I may have something in Marshalltown, but don't know if that's too far away
> from you.
>
> Tim Champion
> timchampion at gmail.com
>
>
> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Mathew R. Phillips <
> mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu> wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm interested in some sort of job opportunity this summer in Iowa doing
>> computer related things either as an internship or summer job.. I've
>> searched monster and other job places and most things are located down
>> around des moines which probably won't work out for me. I'm looking for
>> something about as far as cedar rapids to the south. I'm a second year cs
>> major looking for something to actually put on a resume instead of Subway...
>> Any help would be much appreciated.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cialug mailing list
>> Cialug at cialug.org
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>
>>
>
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From dave at dchamp.net  Fri May 15 10:26:04 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 10:26:04 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] stuck load average and ntp?
Message-ID: <4A0D898C.2050102@dchamp.net>

Have a server running CentOS where the date was messed up... yesterday 
the clock was 3 hours slow, I reset it. This morning it thought it was 
August 19 of 2009. I've never been a fan of how RH / CentOS uses ntp... 
instead of running the ntpd service like any other Linux distro, it has 
a cron job that runs "ntpd -q" hourly.

Because of the date issues, it got several cron task queued up, and I 
think that cause the load avg to jump up. I've reset the date and killed 
the cron jobs, but the load avg is still goofy. Also I know the server 
hasn't been up anywhere near 421 days, since it was physically moved 
within that time frame.

Here's what top says:

top - 09:50:54 up 421 days, 12:39,  1 user,  load average: 6.57, 4.42, 3.11
Tasks:  96 total,   6 running,  90 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
Cpu(s):  0.2%us,  0.2%sy,  0.0%ni, 77.4%id, 21.9%wa,  0.2%hi,  0.0%si,  
0.0%st
Mem:   1027160k total,   941432k used,    85728k free,    33304k buffers
Swap:  1052216k total,    12216k used,  1040000k free,   663016k cached

The load avg has said exactly the 3 numbers above all morning.

The /var/log/wtmp file had a date of 20090819 too... I did a "touch" on 
it but that doesn't seem to reset anything, did a "true > /var/log/wtmp" 
and that didn't do anything.

Is there another method of resetting the load average, or does it just 
need a reboot?

-dc


From John.Lengeling at radisys.com  Fri May 15 10:47:21 2009
From: John.Lengeling at radisys.com (John Lengeling)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 08:47:21 -0700
Subject: [Cialug] stuck load average and ntp?
In-Reply-To: <4A0D898C.2050102@dchamp.net>
References: <4A0D898C.2050102@dchamp.net>
Message-ID: <AB9E4E18EAEB9A4E8869F48CB6FE11690102B9CB@OREXCHANGE01.radisys.com>

Just turn off the ntpd -q from the cron and set up the ntpd service
instead.  The ntpd server will not change the time if the delta between
the current time and the ntp time is greater than X.     Whereas the
ntpd -q just explicitly sets the time.

The load average isn't coming from any file...don't know why you are
messing with wtmp...it is coming directly from the kernel/scheduler.
If you have a load average of 6 then you have 6 procs running.   See the
second line of the top output "6 running", so you probably have runaway
procs consuming all CPU.  

Kill the procs or reboot and your load average will go down.

johnl

From atporter at gmail.com  Fri May 15 10:56:04 2009
From: atporter at gmail.com (Aaron Porter)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 08:56:04 -0700
Subject: [Cialug] stuck load average and ntp?
In-Reply-To: <AB9E4E18EAEB9A4E8869F48CB6FE11690102B9CB@OREXCHANGE01.radisys.com>
References: <4A0D898C.2050102@dchamp.net>
	<AB9E4E18EAEB9A4E8869F48CB6FE11690102B9CB@OREXCHANGE01.radisys.com>
Message-ID: <667aab920905150856s240c2062s817c459b2fc56a14@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 8:47 AM, John Lengeling
<John.Lengeling at radisys.com> wrote:
> The load average isn't coming from any file...don't know why you are
> messing with wtmp...it is coming directly from the kernel/scheduler.

This I agree with

> If you have a load average of 6 then you have 6 procs running. ? See the
> second line of the top output "6 running", so you probably have runaway
> procs consuming all CPU.

This is bunk. Remember that load average is only tenuously linked to
CPU usage. What you're looking at is the number of processes in the
run queue averaged over 1/5/15 min. A busy CPU is only one of many
reasons why a process in a runable state might be waiting. A quick
look at the output in the original message gives us "77.4%id, 21.9%wa"
-- so the CPU(s? not full top output) are 77.4% idle, but something(s)
are doing a bit of IO that's slow (busy disk, nfs, etc).

> Kill the procs or reboot and your load average will go down.

While a reboot will indeed drive the load average down, I'd suggest
checking ps for processes in the "D" state (uninteruptable sleep) and
consider attaching to them with strace to see that they're actually
doing some real work. And I do agree that ntpd not-from-cron is a
smart thing.

From tom at tcpconsulting.com  Fri May 15 10:59:17 2009
From: tom at tcpconsulting.com (Tom Pohl)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 10:59:17 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] stuck load average and ntp?
In-Reply-To: <4A0D898C.2050102@dchamp.net>
References: <4A0D898C.2050102@dchamp.net>
Message-ID: <0675C7C0-0AE2-422D-87B7-F225C770C620@tcpconsulting.com>

Is this an old CentOS box?  I run CentOS a mix of version 4 and  
version 5 boxes and run ntpd started from an init.d script.

A dirty way to quickly get the date set correctly would be to run  
something like this with ntpd not running:
/usr/sbin/ntpdate -s -o 1 129.186.140.201

I apologize to ISU in advance for showing their IP (I don't think they  
like outsiders using their time servers), but it's the one I can  
remember :)

-Tom


On May 15, 2009, at 10:26 AM, David Champion wrote:

> Have a server running CentOS where the date was messed up... yesterday
> the clock was 3 hours slow, I reset it. This morning it thought it was
> August 19 of 2009. I've never been a fan of how RH / CentOS uses  
> ntp...
> instead of running the ntpd service like any other Linux distro, it  
> has
> a cron job that runs "ntpd -q" hourly.
>
> Because of the date issues, it got several cron task queued up, and I
> think that cause the load avg to jump up. I've reset the date and  
> killed
> the cron jobs, but the load avg is still goofy. Also I know the server
> hasn't been up anywhere near 421 days, since it was physically moved
> within that time frame.
>
> Here's what top says:
>
> top - 09:50:54 up 421 days, 12:39,  1 user,  load average: 6.57,  
> 4.42, 3.11
> Tasks:  96 total,   6 running,  90 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
> Cpu(s):  0.2%us,  0.2%sy,  0.0%ni, 77.4%id, 21.9%wa,  0.2%hi,  0.0%si,
> 0.0%st
> Mem:   1027160k total,   941432k used,    85728k free,    33304k  
> buffers
> Swap:  1052216k total,    12216k used,  1040000k free,   663016k  
> cached
>
> The load avg has said exactly the 3 numbers above all morning.
>
> The /var/log/wtmp file had a date of 20090819 too... I did a "touch"  
> on
> it but that doesn't seem to reset anything, did a "true > /var/log/ 
> wtmp"
> and that didn't do anything.
>
> Is there another method of resetting the load average, or does it just
> need a reboot?
>
> -dc
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug


From chris at ia.gov  Fri May 15 11:01:38 2009
From: chris at ia.gov (chris)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 11:01:38 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] stuck load average and ntp?
In-Reply-To: <AB9E4E18EAEB9A4E8869F48CB6FE11690102B9CB@OREXCHANGE01.radisys.com>
References: <4A0D898C.2050102@dchamp.net>
	<AB9E4E18EAEB9A4E8869F48CB6FE11690102B9CB@OREXCHANGE01.radisys.com>
Message-ID: <4A0D91E2.8070404@ia.gov>

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> The load average isn't coming from any file...don't know why you are
> messing with wtmp...it is coming directly from the kernel/scheduler.
> If you have a load average of 6 then you have 6 procs running.   See the
> second line of the top output "6 running", so you probably have runaway
> procs consuming all CPU.  
> 
> Kill the procs or reboot and your load average will go down.


Almost right.  Depends on how many cores he has.  If it is a single core/cpu then there is 1 process running and 5.57
waiting to run.  Sometimes the scheduler does flake out for whatever reason and a process can get added to the que and
never find it's way out often due to strange conflicts in priority levels.  That's rare though.

As for the loadavg, it can be found a file that happens to be populated by the scheduler, /proc/loadavg.  Cat it out at
any time for a peek.

I'd be looking long and hard at your process list you might find the r flag useful.


crr/arreyder at freenode









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From chris at ia.gov  Fri May 15 11:06:45 2009
From: chris at ia.gov (chris)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 11:06:45 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] stuck load average and ntp?
In-Reply-To: <667aab920905150856s240c2062s817c459b2fc56a14@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A0D898C.2050102@dchamp.net>	<AB9E4E18EAEB9A4E8869F48CB6FE11690102B9CB@OREXCHANGE01.radisys.com>
	<667aab920905150856s240c2062s817c459b2fc56a14@mail.gmail.com>
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> This is bunk. Remember that load average is only tenuously linked to
> CPU usage. What you're looking at is the number of processes in the
> run queue averaged over 1/5/15 min. A busy CPU is only one of many
> reasons why a process in a runable state might be waiting. A quick
> look at the output in the original message gives us "77.4%id, 21.9%wa"
> -- so the CPU(s? not full top output) are 77.4% idle, but something(s)
> are doing a bit of IO that's slow (busy disk, nfs, etc).
> 
>> Kill the procs or reboot and your load average will go down.
> 
> While a reboot will indeed drive the load average down, I'd suggest
> checking ps for processes in the "D" state (uninteruptable sleep) and
> consider attaching to them with strace to see that they're actually
> doing some real work. And I do agree that ntpd not-from-cron is a
> smart thing.

+1

Aaron is spot on, take his advice.  If you reboot you may never know the truth. :)

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From dave at dchamp.net  Fri May 15 11:08:26 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 11:08:26 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] stuck load average and ntp?
In-Reply-To: <4A0D91E2.8070404@ia.gov>
References: <4A0D898C.2050102@dchamp.net>	<AB9E4E18EAEB9A4E8869F48CB6FE11690102B9CB@OREXCHANGE01.radisys.com>
	<4A0D91E2.8070404@ia.gov>
Message-ID: <4A0D937A.8010102@dchamp.net>

That's a dual-core Xeon processor. The thing that was odd was that the 
load avg never changed all morning long... you'd think the numbers would 
adjust.

I'm rebooting it now, will see if that fixes anything.

BTW, Dan was asking about ntp stuff the other day, this page explains 
why you should use the "pool" servers, if you click on the North America 
link, it will show you what to put in your ntp.conf. The onese that 
Mandriva had by default were no longer responding, so I updated my 
Mandriva server.

http://www.pool.ntp.org/

-dc

chris wrote:
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>
>
>   
>> The load average isn't coming from any file...don't know why you are
>> messing with wtmp...it is coming directly from the kernel/scheduler.
>> If you have a load average of 6 then you have 6 procs running.   See the
>> second line of the top output "6 running", so you probably have runaway
>> procs consuming all CPU.  
>>
>> Kill the procs or reboot and your load average will go down.
>>     
>
>
> Almost right.  Depends on how many cores he has.  If it is a single core/cpu then there is 1 process running and 5.57
> waiting to run.  Sometimes the scheduler does flake out for whatever reason and a process can get added to the que and
> never find it's way out often due to strange conflicts in priority levels.  That's rare though.
>
> As for the loadavg, it can be found a file that happens to be populated by the scheduler, /proc/loadavg.  Cat it out at
> any time for a peek.
>
> I'd be looking long and hard at your process list you might find the r flag useful.
>
>
> crr/arreyder at freenode
>   


From chris at ia.gov  Fri May 15 11:21:52 2009
From: chris at ia.gov (chris)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 11:21:52 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] stuck load average and ntp?
In-Reply-To: <4A0D937A.8010102@dchamp.net>
References: <4A0D898C.2050102@dchamp.net>	<AB9E4E18EAEB9A4E8869F48CB6FE11690102B9CB@OREXCHANGE01.radisys.com>	<4A0D91E2.8070404@ia.gov>
	<4A0D937A.8010102@dchamp.net>
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>>
>> I'd be looking long and hard at your process list you might find the r flag useful.
>>
>>

I meant the "r" flag as an option to ps.  Might help if I mentioned the command that goes with the flag. :)  It would
have shown you what those 6.57 (running+runnable) processes were at any given moment.



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From tomsellers2001 at yahoo.com  Fri May 15 23:26:48 2009
From: tomsellers2001 at yahoo.com (Tom Sellers)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 21:26:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Cialug] DNS Reverse Lookup
Message-ID: <552176.81988.qm@web56303.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


I have set up a DNS server on my home network and although it resolves machine names to IP addresses just fine I can't seem to make it perform the reverse lookup properly.

Below is an example and the DIG information on my DNS server.

Can anyone shed some light on where I have gone wrong here?

------------------------------------------------------------------------

tsellers at bluto-laptop:~$ nslookup gw
Server:		192.168.1.9
Address:	192.168.1.9#53

Name:	gw.mydomain.com
Address: 192.168.1.1

tsellers at bluto-laptop:~$ nslookup 192.168.1.1
Server:		192.168.1.9
Address:	192.168.1.9#53

** server can't find 1.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa.: NXDOMAIN

tsellers at bluto-laptop:~$ dig mydomain.com

; <<>> DiG 9.5.0-P2 <<>> mydomain.com
;; global options:  printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 29703
;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;mydomain.com.			IN	A

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
mydomain.com.		38400	IN	SOA	bluto.mydomain.com. admin.mydomain.com. 2007062001 28800 3600 604800 38400

;; Query time: 1 msec
;; SERVER: 192.168.1.9#53(192.168.1.9)
;; WHEN: Fri May 15 23:17:25 2009
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 78



      


From matthew at lechleider.com  Fri May 15 23:33:13 2009
From: matthew at lechleider.com (Matthew Lechleider)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 23:33:13 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] DNS Reverse Lookup
In-Reply-To: <552176.81988.qm@web56303.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <552176.81988.qm@web56303.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4A0E4209.1060703@lechleider.com>

Try dig with the flag -x for reverse lookup.

dig -x IP


Tom Sellers wrote:
> I have set up a DNS server on my home network and although it resolves machine names to IP addresses just fine I can't seem to make it perform the reverse lookup properly.
>
> Below is an example and the DIG information on my DNS server.
>
> Can anyone shed some light on where I have gone wrong here?
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> tsellers at bluto-laptop:~$ nslookup gw
> Server:		192.168.1.9
> Address:	192.168.1.9#53
>
> Name:	gw.mydomain.com
> Address: 192.168.1.1
>
> tsellers at bluto-laptop:~$ nslookup 192.168.1.1
> Server:		192.168.1.9
> Address:	192.168.1.9#53
>
> ** server can't find 1.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa.: NXDOMAIN
>
> tsellers at bluto-laptop:~$ dig mydomain.com
>
> ; <<>> DiG 9.5.0-P2 <<>> mydomain.com
> ;; global options:  printcmd
> ;; Got answer:
> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 29703
> ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0
>
> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
> ;mydomain.com.			IN	A
>
> ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
> mydomain.com.		38400	IN	SOA	bluto.mydomain.com. admin.mydomain.com. 2007062001 28800 3600 604800 38400
>
> ;; Query time: 1 msec
> ;; SERVER: 192.168.1.9#53(192.168.1.9)
> ;; WHEN: Fri May 15 23:17:25 2009
> ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 78
>
>
>
>       
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>   


From tomsellers2001 at yahoo.com  Fri May 15 23:40:47 2009
From: tomsellers2001 at yahoo.com (Tom Sellers)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 21:40:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Cialug] DNS Reverse Lookup
Message-ID: <639736.52675.qm@web56301.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


Here is the response to using the command that you suggested.  Since I'm new to this I'm not sure what the below tells me.  The section under Authority Section looks a little questionable but not sure what it should look like.

Does this tell you anything of value?

tsellers at bluto-laptop:~$ dig -x 192.168.1.1

; <<>> DiG 9.5.0-P2 <<>> -x 192.168.1.1
;; global options:  printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 62144
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;1.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa.	IN	PTR

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
168.192.in-addr.arpa.	10800	IN	SOA	prisoner.iana.org. hostmaster.root-servers.org. 2002040800 1800 900 604800 604800

;; Query time: 486 msec
;; SERVER: 192.168.1.9#53(192.168.1.9)
;; WHEN: Fri May 15 23:36:23 2009
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 119


--- On Fri, 5/15/09, Matthew Lechleider <matthew at lechleider.com> wrote:

> From: Matthew Lechleider <matthew at lechleider.com>
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] DNS Reverse Lookup
> To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" <cialug at cialug.org>
> Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 11:33 PM
> Try dig with the flag -x for reverse
> lookup.
> 
> dig -x IP
> 
> 
> Tom Sellers wrote:
> > I have set up a DNS server on my home network and
> although it resolves machine names to IP addresses just fine
> I can't seem to make it perform the reverse lookup
> properly.
> >
> > Below is an example and the DIG information on my DNS
> server.
> >
> > Can anyone shed some light on where I have gone wrong
> here?
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > tsellers at bluto-laptop:~$ nslookup gw
> > Server:??? ???
> 192.168.1.9
> > Address:??? 192.168.1.9#53
> >
> > Name:??? gw.mydomain.com
> > Address: 192.168.1.1
> >
> > tsellers at bluto-laptop:~$ nslookup 192.168.1.1
> > Server:??? ???
> 192.168.1.9
> > Address:??? 192.168.1.9#53
> >
> > ** server can't find 1.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa.:
> NXDOMAIN
> >
> > tsellers at bluto-laptop:~$ dig mydomain.com
> >
> > ; <<>> DiG 9.5.0-P2 <<>>
> mydomain.com
> > ;; global options:? printcmd
> > ;; Got answer:
> > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status:
> NOERROR, id: 29703
> > ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY:
> 1, ADDITIONAL: 0
> >
> > ;; QUESTION SECTION:
> > ;mydomain.com.??? ???
> ??? IN??? A
> >
> > ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
> > mydomain.com.??? ???
> 38400??? IN???
> SOA??? bluto.mydomain.com.
> admin.mydomain.com. 2007062001 28800 3600 604800 38400
> >
> > ;; Query time: 1 msec
> > ;; SERVER: 192.168.1.9#53(192.168.1.9)
> > ;; WHEN: Fri May 15 23:17:25 2009
> > ;; MSG SIZE? rcvd: 78
> >
> >
> >
> >? ? ???
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cialug mailing list
> > Cialug at cialug.org
> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >???
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> 


      

From matthew at lechleider.com  Fri May 15 23:52:10 2009
From: matthew at lechleider.com (Matthew Lechleider)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 23:52:10 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] DNS Reverse Lookup
In-Reply-To: <639736.52675.qm@web56301.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <639736.52675.qm@web56301.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4A0E467A.4010705@lechleider.com>

I received the same response.

Is there a standard response for reverse lookups on internally reserved 
address space?

Does your computer know to look at your local namserver and not a public 
Internet nameserver?


Tom Sellers wrote:
> Here is the response to using the command that you suggested.  Since I'm new to this I'm not sure what the below tells me.  The section under Authority Section looks a little questionable but not sure what it should look like.
>
> Does this tell you anything of value?
>
> tsellers at bluto-laptop:~$ dig -x 192.168.1.1
>
> ; <<>> DiG 9.5.0-P2 <<>> -x 192.168.1.1
> ;; global options:  printcmd
> ;; Got answer:
> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 62144
> ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0
>
> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
> ;1.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa.	IN	PTR
>
> ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
> 168.192.in-addr.arpa.	10800	IN	SOA	prisoner.iana.org. hostmaster.root-servers.org. 2002040800 1800 900 604800 604800
>
> ;; Query time: 486 msec
> ;; SERVER: 192.168.1.9#53(192.168.1.9)
> ;; WHEN: Fri May 15 23:36:23 2009
> ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 119
>
>
> --- On Fri, 5/15/09, Matthew Lechleider <matthew at lechleider.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> From: Matthew Lechleider <matthew at lechleider.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Cialug] DNS Reverse Lookup
>> To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" <cialug at cialug.org>
>> Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 11:33 PM
>> Try dig with the flag -x for reverse
>> lookup.
>>
>> dig -x IP
>>
>>
>> Tom Sellers wrote:
>>     
>>> I have set up a DNS server on my home network and
>>>       
>> although it resolves machine names to IP addresses just fine
>> I can't seem to make it perform the reverse lookup
>> properly.
>>     
>>> Below is an example and the DIG information on my DNS
>>>       
>> server.
>>     
>>> Can anyone shed some light on where I have gone wrong
>>>       
>> here?
>>     
>>>       
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>     
>>> tsellers at bluto-laptop:~$ nslookup gw
>>> Server:       
>>>       
>> 192.168.1.9
>>     
>>> Address:    192.168.1.9#53
>>>
>>> Name:    gw.mydomain.com
>>> Address: 192.168.1.1
>>>
>>> tsellers at bluto-laptop:~$ nslookup 192.168.1.1
>>> Server:       
>>>       
>> 192.168.1.9
>>     
>>> Address:    192.168.1.9#53
>>>
>>> ** server can't find 1.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa.:
>>>       
>> NXDOMAIN
>>     
>>> tsellers at bluto-laptop:~$ dig mydomain.com
>>>
>>> ; <<>> DiG 9.5.0-P2 <<>>
>>>       
>> mydomain.com
>>     
>>> ;; global options:  printcmd
>>> ;; Got answer:
>>> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status:
>>>       
>> NOERROR, id: 29703
>>     
>>> ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY:
>>>       
>> 1, ADDITIONAL: 0
>>     
>>> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
>>> ;mydomain.com.       
>>>       
>>     IN    A
>>     
>>> ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
>>> mydomain.com.       
>>>       
>> 38400    IN   
>> SOA    bluto.mydomain.com.
>> admin.mydomain.com. 2007062001 28800 3600 604800 38400
>>     
>>> ;; Query time: 1 msec
>>> ;; SERVER: 192.168.1.9#53(192.168.1.9)
>>> ;; WHEN: Fri May 15 23:17:25 2009
>>> ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 78
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>        
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cialug mailing list
>>> Cialug at cialug.org
>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>    
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cialug mailing list
>> Cialug at cialug.org
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>
>>     
>
>
>       
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>   


From tomsellers2001 at yahoo.com  Sat May 16 09:45:37 2009
From: tomsellers2001 at yahoo.com (Tom Sellers)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 07:45:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Cialug] DNS Reverse Lookup
Message-ID: <537491.3020.qm@web56307.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


I can't say since I am very new to working with DNS.  I don't have the opportunity to work with this at work since all that is done by our corporate support group.  That is why I was trying to learn something about it by setting one up at home.  

I did learn some additional information that I don't know if is significant this morning.  Most of my testing has been done from the actual machine that is running the DNS.  When I do an nslookup on that machine for example my local gateway (idendified as "gw") is resolved right away.  However, if I go to a separate workstation and peform a ping command (ping gw) it does not resolve.  If I give it a fully qualified domain name (ping gw.mydomain.com) though it resolves immediately.

Is there anyone with a good knowledge of DNS that can give me some guidance on my setup?  I am running Ubuntu 8.10 on the machine and bind9. I have my DNS set up to forward to my ISP if the name does not resolve. I can browse the internet so I am getting resolution to outside web sites properly.  Directory structure is /etc/bind and below that /etc/bind/zones.  There are both a forward and reverse lookup in the zones directory.  

--- On Fri, 5/15/09, Matthew Lechleider <matthew at lechleider.com> wrote:

> From: Matthew Lechleider <matthew at lechleider.com>
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] DNS Reverse Lookup
> To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" <cialug at cialug.org>
> Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 11:52 PM
> I received the same response.
> 
> Is there a standard response for reverse lookups on
> internally reserved 
> address space?
> 
> Does your computer know to look at your local namserver and
> not a public 
> Internet nameserver?
> 
> 
> Tom Sellers wrote:
> > Here is the response to using the command that you
> suggested.? Since I'm new to this I'm not sure what the
> below tells me.? The section under Authority Section
> looks a little questionable but not sure what it should look
> like.
> >
> > Does this tell you anything of value?
> >
> > tsellers at bluto-laptop:~$ dig -x 192.168.1.1
> >
> > ; <<>> DiG 9.5.0-P2 <<>> -x
> 192.168.1.1
> > ;; global options:? printcmd
> > ;; Got answer:
> > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status:
> NXDOMAIN, id: 62144
> > ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1,
> ADDITIONAL: 0
> >
> > ;; QUESTION SECTION:
> > ;1.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa.???
> IN??? PTR
> >
> > ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
> > 168.192.in-addr.arpa.???
> 10800??? IN???
> SOA??? prisoner.iana.org.
> hostmaster.root-servers.org. 2002040800 1800 900 604800
> 604800
> >
> > ;; Query time: 486 msec
> > ;; SERVER: 192.168.1.9#53(192.168.1.9)
> > ;; WHEN: Fri May 15 23:36:23 2009
> > ;; MSG SIZE? rcvd: 119
> >
> >
> > --- On Fri, 5/15/09, Matthew Lechleider <matthew at lechleider.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >???
> >> From: Matthew Lechleider <matthew at lechleider.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Cialug] DNS Reverse Lookup
> >> To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" <cialug at cialug.org>
> >> Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 11:33 PM
> >> Try dig with the flag -x for reverse
> >> lookup.
> >>
> >> dig -x IP
> >>
> >>
> >> Tom Sellers wrote:
> >>? ???
> >>> I have set up a DNS server on my home network
> and
> >>>? ? ???
> >> although it resolves machine names to IP addresses
> just fine
> >> I can't seem to make it perform the reverse
> lookup
> >> properly.
> >>? ???
> >>> Below is an example and the DIG information on
> my DNS
> >>>? ? ???
> >> server.
> >>? ???
> >>> Can anyone shed some light on where I have
> gone wrong
> >>>? ? ???
> >> here?
> >>? ???
> >>>? ? ???
> >>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>? ???
> >>> tsellers at bluto-laptop:~$ nslookup gw
> >>> Server:? ? ???
> >>>? ? ???
> >> 192.168.1.9
> >>? ???
> >>> Address:? ? 192.168.1.9#53
> >>>
> >>> Name:? ? gw.mydomain.com
> >>> Address: 192.168.1.1
> >>>
> >>> tsellers at bluto-laptop:~$ nslookup 192.168.1.1
> >>> Server:? ? ???
> >>>? ? ???
> >> 192.168.1.9
> >>? ???
> >>> Address:? ? 192.168.1.9#53
> >>>
> >>> ** server can't find
> 1.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa.:
> >>>? ? ???
> >> NXDOMAIN
> >>? ???
> >>> tsellers at bluto-laptop:~$ dig mydomain.com
> >>>
> >>> ; <<>> DiG 9.5.0-P2
> <<>>
> >>>? ? ???
> >> mydomain.com
> >>? ???
> >>> ;; global options:? printcmd
> >>> ;; Got answer:
> >>> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY,
> status:
> >>>? ? ???
> >> NOERROR, id: 29703
> >>? ???
> >>> ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0,
> AUTHORITY:
> >>>? ? ???
> >> 1, ADDITIONAL: 0
> >>? ???
> >>> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
> >>> ;mydomain.com.? ?
> ???
> >>>? ? ???
> >>? ???IN? ? A
> >>? ???
> >>> ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
> >>> mydomain.com.? ? ???
> >>>? ? ???
> >> 38400? ? IN???
> >> SOA? ? bluto.mydomain.com.
> >> admin.mydomain.com. 2007062001 28800 3600 604800
> 38400
> >>? ???
> >>> ;; Query time: 1 msec
> >>> ;; SERVER: 192.168.1.9#53(192.168.1.9)
> >>> ;; WHEN: Fri May 15 23:17:25 2009
> >>> ;; MSG SIZE? rcvd: 78
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>? ? ? ? 
> >>>
> >>>
> _______________________________________________
> >>> Cialug mailing list
> >>> Cialug at cialug.org
> >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >>>? ? 
> >>>? ? ???
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Cialug mailing list
> >> Cialug at cialug.org
> >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >>
> >>? ???
> >
> >
> >? ? ???
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cialug mailing list
> > Cialug at cialug.org
> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >???
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> 


      

From tomsellers2001 at yahoo.com  Sat May 16 10:03:52 2009
From: tomsellers2001 at yahoo.com (Tom Sellers)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 08:03:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Cialug] DNS server setup
Message-ID: <416879.50849.qm@web56303.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


By the way here is the link to the information that I used to set up the DNS server to begin with.

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=236093






      


From jroach at simplicitysys.com  Sat May 16 11:16:41 2009
From: jroach at simplicitysys.com (John Roach)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 11:16:41 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] DNS Reverse Lookup
In-Reply-To: <537491.3020.qm@web56307.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <537491.3020.qm@web56307.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4A0EE6E9.5070305@simplicitysys.com>


A couple of things,
1. Do you have the local domain defined on the clients?
2. Do you have the clients pointed to the new dns server?

Tom Sellers wrote:
> I can't say since I am very new to working with DNS.  I don't have the opportunity to work with this at work since all that is done by our corporate support group.  That is why I was trying to learn something about it by setting one up at home.  
>
> I did learn some additional information that I don't know if is significant this morning.  Most of my testing has been done from the actual machine that is running the DNS.  When I do an nslookup on that machine for example my local gateway (idendified as "gw") is resolved right away.  However, if I go to a separate workstation and peform a ping command (ping gw) it does not resolve.  If I give it a fully qualified domain name (ping gw.mydomain.com) though it resolves immediately.
>
> Is there anyone with a good knowledge of DNS that can give me some guidance on my setup?  I am running Ubuntu 8.10 on the machine and bind9. I have my DNS set up to forward to my ISP if the name does not resolve. I can browse the internet so I am getting resolution to outside web sites properly.  Directory structure is /etc/bind and below that /etc/bind/zones.  There are both a forward and reverse lookup in the zones directory.  
>
> --- On Fri, 5/15/09, Matthew Lechleider <matthew at lechleider.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> From: Matthew Lechleider <matthew at lechleider.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Cialug] DNS Reverse Lookup
>> To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" <cialug at cialug.org>
>> Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 11:52 PM
>> I received the same response.
>>
>> Is there a standard response for reverse lookups on
>> internally reserved 
>> address space?
>>
>> Does your computer know to look at your local namserver and
>> not a public 
>> Internet nameserver?
>>
>>
>> Tom Sellers wrote:
>>     
>>> Here is the response to using the command that you
>>>       
>> suggested.  Since I'm new to this I'm not sure what the
>> below tells me.  The section under Authority Section
>> looks a little questionable but not sure what it should look
>> like.
>>     
>>> Does this tell you anything of value?
>>>
>>> tsellers at bluto-laptop:~$ dig -x 192.168.1.1
>>>
>>> ; <<>> DiG 9.5.0-P2 <<>> -x
>>>       
>> 192.168.1.1
>>     
>>> ;; global options:  printcmd
>>> ;; Got answer:
>>> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status:
>>>       
>> NXDOMAIN, id: 62144
>>     
>>> ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1,
>>>       
>> ADDITIONAL: 0
>>     
>>> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
>>> ;1.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa.   
>>>       
>> IN    PTR
>>     
>>> ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
>>> 168.192.in-addr.arpa.   
>>>       
>> 10800    IN   
>> SOA    prisoner.iana.org.
>> hostmaster.root-servers.org. 2002040800 1800 900 604800
>> 604800
>>     
>>> ;; Query time: 486 msec
>>> ;; SERVER: 192.168.1.9#53(192.168.1.9)
>>> ;; WHEN: Fri May 15 23:36:23 2009
>>> ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 119
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Fri, 5/15/09, Matthew Lechleider <matthew at lechleider.com>
>>>       
>> wrote:
>>     
>>>    
>>>       
>>>> From: Matthew Lechleider <matthew at lechleider.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Cialug] DNS Reverse Lookup
>>>> To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" <cialug at cialug.org>
>>>> Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 11:33 PM
>>>> Try dig with the flag -x for reverse
>>>> lookup.
>>>>
>>>> dig -x IP
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tom Sellers wrote:
>>>>      
>>>>         
>>>>> I have set up a DNS server on my home network
>>>>>           
>> and
>>     
>>>>>        
>>>>>           
>>>> although it resolves machine names to IP addresses
>>>>         
>> just fine
>>     
>>>> I can't seem to make it perform the reverse
>>>>         
>> lookup
>>     
>>>> properly.
>>>>      
>>>>         
>>>>> Below is an example and the DIG information on
>>>>>           
>> my DNS
>>     
>>>>>        
>>>>>           
>>>> server.
>>>>      
>>>>         
>>>>> Can anyone shed some light on where I have
>>>>>           
>> gone wrong
>>     
>>>>>        
>>>>>           
>>>> here?
>>>>      
>>>>         
>>>>>        
>>>>>           
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>     
>>>>      
>>>>         
>>>>> tsellers at bluto-laptop:~$ nslookup gw
>>>>> Server:       
>>>>>        
>>>>>           
>>>> 192.168.1.9
>>>>      
>>>>         
>>>>> Address:    192.168.1.9#53
>>>>>
>>>>> Name:    gw.mydomain.com
>>>>> Address: 192.168.1.1
>>>>>
>>>>> tsellers at bluto-laptop:~$ nslookup 192.168.1.1
>>>>> Server:       
>>>>>        
>>>>>           
>>>> 192.168.1.9
>>>>      
>>>>         
>>>>> Address:    192.168.1.9#53
>>>>>
>>>>> ** server can't find
>>>>>           
>> 1.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa.:
>>     
>>>>>        
>>>>>           
>>>> NXDOMAIN
>>>>      
>>>>         
>>>>> tsellers at bluto-laptop:~$ dig mydomain.com
>>>>>
>>>>> ; <<>> DiG 9.5.0-P2
>>>>>           
>> <<>>
>>     
>>>>>        
>>>>>           
>>>> mydomain.com
>>>>      
>>>>         
>>>>> ;; global options:  printcmd
>>>>> ;; Got answer:
>>>>> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY,
>>>>>           
>> status:
>>     
>>>>>        
>>>>>           
>>>> NOERROR, id: 29703
>>>>      
>>>>         
>>>>> ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0,
>>>>>           
>> AUTHORITY:
>>     
>>>>>        
>>>>>           
>>>> 1, ADDITIONAL: 0
>>>>      
>>>>         
>>>>> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
>>>>> ;mydomain.com.   
>>>>>           
>>    
>>     
>>>>>        
>>>>>           
>>>>      IN    A
>>>>      
>>>>         
>>>>> ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
>>>>> mydomain.com.       
>>>>>        
>>>>>           
>>>> 38400    IN   
>>>> SOA    bluto.mydomain.com.
>>>> admin.mydomain.com. 2007062001 28800 3600 604800
>>>>         
>> 38400
>>     
>>>>      
>>>>         
>>>>> ;; Query time: 1 msec
>>>>> ;; SERVER: 192.168.1.9#53(192.168.1.9)
>>>>> ;; WHEN: Fri May 15 23:17:25 2009
>>>>> ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 78
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>         
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>> _______________________________________________
>>     
>>>>> Cialug mailing list
>>>>> Cialug at cialug.org
>>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>>>     
>>>>>        
>>>>>           
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Cialug mailing list
>>>> Cialug at cialug.org
>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>>
>>>>      
>>>>         
>>>        
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cialug mailing list
>>> Cialug at cialug.org
>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>    
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cialug mailing list
>> Cialug at cialug.org
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>
>>     
>
>
>       
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>   


From tomsellers2001 at yahoo.com  Sun May 17 19:48:09 2009
From: tomsellers2001 at yahoo.com (Tom Sellers)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 17:48:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Cialug] DNS Reverse Lookup
Message-ID: <471377.97059.qm@web56307.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


In answer to question 2 below. Yes.  I have the clients pointed to the DNS server IP.  

As for question 1, The clients are both Windows clients and there really isn't any actual domain.  They are just on a workgroup.  The workgroup name does not match the domain name.  Did not think that would be a problem as long as they were pointed to the DNS server as idendified above.

Is that incorrect?  

--- On Sat, 5/16/09, John Roach <jroach at simplicitysys.com> wrote:

> From: John Roach <jroach at simplicitysys.com>
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] DNS Reverse Lookup
> To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" <cialug at cialug.org>
> Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 11:16 AM
> 
> A couple of things,
> 1. Do you have the local domain defined on the clients?
> 2. Do you have the clients pointed to the new dns server?
> 
> Tom Sellers wrote:
> > I can't say since I am very new to working with
> DNS.? I don't have the opportunity to work with this at
> work since all that is done by our corporate support
> group.? That is why I was trying to learn something
> about it by setting one up at home.? 
> >
> > I did learn some additional information that I don't
> know if is significant this morning.? Most of my
> testing has been done from the actual machine that is
> running the DNS.? When I do an nslookup on that machine
> for example my local gateway (idendified as "gw") is
> resolved right away.? However, if I go to a separate
> workstation and peform a ping command (ping gw) it does not
> resolve.? If I give it a fully qualified domain name
> (ping gw.mydomain.com) though it resolves immediately.
> >
> > Is there anyone with a good knowledge of DNS that can
> give me some guidance on my setup?? I am running Ubuntu
> 8.10 on the machine and bind9. I have my DNS set up to
> forward to my ISP if the name does not resolve. I can browse
> the internet so I am getting resolution to outside web sites
> properly.? Directory structure is /etc/bind and below
> that /etc/bind/zones.? There are both a forward and
> reverse lookup in the zones directory.? 
> >
> > --- On Fri, 5/15/09, Matthew Lechleider <matthew at lechleider.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >???
> >> From: Matthew Lechleider <matthew at lechleider.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Cialug] DNS Reverse Lookup
> >> To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" <cialug at cialug.org>
> >> Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 11:52 PM
> >> I received the same response.
> >>
> >> Is there a standard response for reverse lookups
> on
> >> internally reserved 
> >> address space?
> >>
> >> Does your computer know to look at your local
> namserver and
> >> not a public 
> >> Internet nameserver?
> >>
> >>
> >> Tom Sellers wrote:
> >>? ???
> >>> Here is the response to using the command that
> you
> >>>? ? ???
> >> suggested.? Since I'm new to this I'm not
> sure what the
> >> below tells me.? The section under Authority
> Section
> >> looks a little questionable but not sure what it
> should look
> >> like.
> >>? ???
> >>> Does this tell you anything of value?
> >>>
> >>> tsellers at bluto-laptop:~$ dig -x 192.168.1.1
> >>>
> >>> ; <<>> DiG 9.5.0-P2
> <<>> -x
> >>>? ? ???
> >> 192.168.1.1
> >>? ???
> >>> ;; global options:? printcmd
> >>> ;; Got answer:
> >>> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY,
> status:
> >>>? ? ???
> >> NXDOMAIN, id: 62144
> >>? ???
> >>> ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0,
> AUTHORITY: 1,
> >>>? ? ???
> >> ADDITIONAL: 0
> >>? ???
> >>> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
> >>> ;1.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa.???
> >>>? ? ???
> >> IN? ? PTR
> >>? ???
> >>> ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
> >>> 168.192.in-addr.arpa.???
> >>>? ? ???
> >> 10800? ? IN???
> >> SOA? ? prisoner.iana.org.
> >> hostmaster.root-servers.org. 2002040800 1800 900
> 604800
> >> 604800
> >>? ???
> >>> ;; Query time: 486 msec
> >>> ;; SERVER: 192.168.1.9#53(192.168.1.9)
> >>> ;; WHEN: Fri May 15 23:36:23 2009
> >>> ;; MSG SIZE? rcvd: 119
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- On Fri, 5/15/09, Matthew Lechleider <matthew at lechleider.com>
> >>>? ? ???
> >> wrote:
> >>? ???
> >>>? ? 
> >>>? ? ???
> >>>> From: Matthew Lechleider <matthew at lechleider.com>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Cialug] DNS Reverse Lookup
> >>>> To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group"
> <cialug at cialug.org>
> >>>> Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 11:33 PM
> >>>> Try dig with the flag -x for reverse
> >>>> lookup.
> >>>>
> >>>> dig -x IP
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Tom Sellers wrote:
> >>>>? ? ? 
> >>>>? ? ? ???
> >>>>> I have set up a DNS server on my home
> network
> >>>>>? ? ? ?
> ???
> >> and
> >>? ???
> >>>>>? ? ? ? 
> >>>>>? ? ? ?
> ???
> >>>> although it resolves machine names to IP
> addresses
> >>>>? ? ? ???
> >> just fine
> >>? ???
> >>>> I can't seem to make it perform the
> reverse
> >>>>? ? ? ???
> >> lookup
> >>? ???
> >>>> properly.
> >>>>? ? ? 
> >>>>? ? ? ???
> >>>>> Below is an example and the DIG
> information on
> >>>>>? ? ? ?
> ???
> >> my DNS
> >>? ???
> >>>>>? ? ? ? 
> >>>>>? ? ? ?
> ???
> >>>> server.
> >>>>? ? ? 
> >>>>? ? ? ???
> >>>>> Can anyone shed some light on where I
> have
> >>>>>? ? ? ?
> ???
> >> gone wrong
> >>? ???
> >>>>>? ? ? ? 
> >>>>>? ? ? ?
> ???
> >>>> here?
> >>>>? ? ? 
> >>>>? ? ? ???
> >>>>>? ? ? ? 
> >>>>>? ? ? ?
> ???
> >>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>? ???
> >>>>? ? ? 
> >>>>? ? ? ???
> >>>>> tsellers at bluto-laptop:~$ nslookup gw
> >>>>> Server:? ?
> ???
> >>>>>? ? ? ? 
> >>>>>? ? ? ?
> ???
> >>>> 192.168.1.9
> >>>>? ? ? 
> >>>>? ? ? ???
> >>>>> Address:? ? 192.168.1.9#53
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Name:? ? gw.mydomain.com
> >>>>> Address: 192.168.1.1
> >>>>>
> >>>>> tsellers at bluto-laptop:~$ nslookup
> 192.168.1.1
> >>>>> Server:? ?
> ???
> >>>>>? ? ? ? 
> >>>>>? ? ? ?
> ???
> >>>> 192.168.1.9
> >>>>? ? ? 
> >>>>? ? ? ???
> >>>>> Address:? ? 192.168.1.9#53
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ** server can't find
> >>>>>? ? ? ?
> ???
> >> 1.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa.:
> >>? ???
> >>>>>? ? ? ? 
> >>>>>? ? ? ?
> ???
> >>>> NXDOMAIN
> >>>>? ? ? 
> >>>>? ? ? ???
> >>>>> tsellers at bluto-laptop:~$ dig
> mydomain.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ; <<>> DiG 9.5.0-P2
> >>>>>? ? ? ?
> ???
> >> <<>>
> >>? ???
> >>>>>? ? ? ? 
> >>>>>? ? ? ?
> ???
> >>>> mydomain.com
> >>>>? ? ? 
> >>>>? ? ? ???
> >>>>> ;; global options:? printcmd
> >>>>> ;; Got answer:
> >>>>> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode:
> QUERY,
> >>>>>? ? ? ?
> ???
> >> status:
> >>? ???
> >>>>>? ? ? ? 
> >>>>>? ? ? ?
> ???
> >>>> NOERROR, id: 29703
> >>>>? ? ? 
> >>>>? ? ? ???
> >>>>> ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1,
> ANSWER: 0,
> >>>>>? ? ? ?
> ???
> >> AUTHORITY:
> >>? ???
> >>>>>? ? ? ? 
> >>>>>? ? ? ?
> ???
> >>>> 1, ADDITIONAL: 0
> >>>>? ? ? 
> >>>>? ? ? ???
> >>>>> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
> >>>>> ;mydomain.com.???
> >>>>>? ? ? ?
> ???
> >>? ? 
> >>? ???
> >>>>>? ? ? ? 
> >>>>>? ? ? ?
> ???
> >>>>? ? ? IN? ? A
> >>>>? ? ? 
> >>>>? ? ? ???
> >>>>> ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
> >>>>> mydomain.com.? ?
> ???
> >>>>>? ? ? ? 
> >>>>>? ? ? ?
> ???
> >>>> 38400? ? IN???
> >>>> SOA? ? bluto.mydomain.com.
> >>>> admin.mydomain.com. 2007062001 28800 3600
> 604800
> >>>>? ? ? ???
> >> 38400
> >>? ???
> >>>>? ? ? 
> >>>>? ? ? ???
> >>>>> ;; Query time: 1 msec
> >>>>> ;; SERVER:
> 192.168.1.9#53(192.168.1.9)
> >>>>> ;; WHEN: Fri May 15 23:17:25 2009
> >>>>> ;; MSG SIZE? rcvd: 78
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>? ? ?
> ???
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>? ? ? ?
> ???
> >> _______________________________________________
> >>? ???
> >>>>> Cialug mailing list
> >>>>> Cialug at cialug.org
> >>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >>>>>? ???
> >>>>>? ? ? ? 
> >>>>>? ? ? ?
> ???
> >>>>
> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Cialug mailing list
> >>>> Cialug at cialug.org
> >>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >>>>
> >>>>? ? ? 
> >>>>? ? ? ???
> >>>? ? ? ? 
> >>>
> _______________________________________________
> >>> Cialug mailing list
> >>> Cialug at cialug.org
> >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >>>? ? 
> >>>? ? ???
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Cialug mailing list
> >> Cialug at cialug.org
> >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >>
> >>? ???
> >
> >
> >? ? ???
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cialug mailing list
> > Cialug at cialug.org
> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >???
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> 


      

From jerry at heiselman.com  Sun May 17 23:06:02 2009
From: jerry at heiselman.com (Jerry Heiselman)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 23:06:02 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] DNS Reverse Lookup
In-Reply-To: <471377.97059.qm@web56307.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <471377.97059.qm@web56307.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <45a88bbd0905172106j41bfdd24xa13703021b4369ad@mail.gmail.com>

You'd want to make sure their DNS suffix matches the domain (typical
handled through DHCP)

On 5/17/09, Tom Sellers <tomsellers2001 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> In answer to question 2 below. Yes.  I have the clients pointed to the DNS
> server IP.
>
> As for question 1, The clients are both Windows clients and there really
> isn't any actual domain.  They are just on a workgroup.  The workgroup name
> does not match the domain name.  Did not think that would be a problem as
> long as they were pointed to the DNS server as idendified above.
>
> Is that incorrect?
>
> --- On Sat, 5/16/09, John Roach <jroach at simplicitysys.com> wrote:
>
>> From: John Roach <jroach at simplicitysys.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Cialug] DNS Reverse Lookup
>> To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" <cialug at cialug.org>
>> Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 11:16 AM
>>
>> A couple of things,
>> 1. Do you have the local domain defined on the clients?
>> 2. Do you have the clients pointed to the new dns server?
>>
>> Tom Sellers wrote:
>> > I can't say since I am very new to working with
>> DNS.? I don't have the opportunity to work with this at
>> work since all that is done by our corporate support
>> group.? That is why I was trying to learn something
>> about it by setting one up at home.
>> >
>> > I did learn some additional information that I don't
>> know if is significant this morning.? Most of my
>> testing has been done from the actual machine that is
>> running the DNS.? When I do an nslookup on that machine
>> for example my local gateway (idendified as "gw") is
>> resolved right away.? However, if I go to a separate
>> workstation and peform a ping command (ping gw) it does not
>> resolve.? If I give it a fully qualified domain name
>> (ping gw.mydomain.com) though it resolves immediately.
>> >
>> > Is there anyone with a good knowledge of DNS that can
>> give me some guidance on my setup?? I am running Ubuntu
>> 8.10 on the machine and bind9. I have my DNS set up to
>> forward to my ISP if the name does not resolve. I can browse
>> the internet so I am getting resolution to outside web sites
>> properly.? Directory structure is /etc/bind and below
>> that /etc/bind/zones.? There are both a forward and
>> reverse lookup in the zones directory.
>> >
>> > --- On Fri, 5/15/09, Matthew Lechleider <matthew at lechleider.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> From: Matthew Lechleider <matthew at lechleider.com>
>> >> Subject: Re: [Cialug] DNS Reverse Lookup
>> >> To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" <cialug at cialug.org>
>> >> Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 11:52 PM
>> >> I received the same response.
>> >>
>> >> Is there a standard response for reverse lookups
>> on
>> >> internally reserved
>> >> address space?
>> >>
>> >> Does your computer know to look at your local
>> namserver and
>> >> not a public
>> >> Internet nameserver?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Tom Sellers wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Here is the response to using the command that
>> you
>> >>>
>> >> suggested.? Since I'm new to this I'm not
>> sure what the
>> >> below tells me.? The section under Authority
>> Section
>> >> looks a little questionable but not sure what it
>> should look
>> >> like.
>> >>
>> >>> Does this tell you anything of value?
>> >>>
>> >>> tsellers at bluto-laptop:~$ dig -x 192.168.1.1
>> >>>
>> >>> ; <<>> DiG 9.5.0-P2
>> <<>> -x
>> >>>
>> >> 192.168.1.1
>> >>
>> >>> ;; global options:? printcmd
>> >>> ;; Got answer:
>> >>> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY,
>> status:
>> >>>
>> >> NXDOMAIN, id: 62144
>> >>
>> >>> ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0,
>> AUTHORITY: 1,
>> >>>
>> >> ADDITIONAL: 0
>> >>
>> >>> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
>> >>> ;1.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa.
>> >>>
>> >> IN? ? PTR
>> >>
>> >>> ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
>> >>> 168.192.in-addr.arpa.
>> >>>
>> >> 10800? ? IN
>> >> SOA? ? prisoner.iana.org.
>> >> hostmaster.root-servers.org. 2002040800 1800 900
>> 604800
>> >> 604800
>> >>
>> >>> ;; Query time: 486 msec
>> >>> ;; SERVER: 192.168.1.9#53(192.168.1.9)
>> >>> ;; WHEN: Fri May 15 23:36:23 2009
>> >>> ;; MSG SIZE? rcvd: 119
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --- On Fri, 5/15/09, Matthew Lechleider <matthew at lechleider.com>
>> >>>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> From: Matthew Lechleider <matthew at lechleider.com>
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Cialug] DNS Reverse Lookup
>> >>>> To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group"
>> <cialug at cialug.org>
>> >>>> Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 11:33 PM
>> >>>> Try dig with the flag -x for reverse
>> >>>> lookup.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> dig -x IP
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Tom Sellers wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> I have set up a DNS server on my home
>> network
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >> and
>> >>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>>> although it resolves machine names to IP
>> addresses
>> >>>>
>> >> just fine
>> >>
>> >>>> I can't seem to make it perform the
>> reverse
>> >>>>
>> >> lookup
>> >>
>> >>>> properly.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Below is an example and the DIG
>> information on
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >> my DNS
>> >>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>>> server.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Can anyone shed some light on where I
>> have
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >> gone wrong
>> >>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>>> here?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> tsellers at bluto-laptop:~$ nslookup gw
>> >>>>> Server:
>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>>> 192.168.1.9
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Address:? ? 192.168.1.9#53
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Name:? ? gw.mydomain.com
>> >>>>> Address: 192.168.1.1
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> tsellers at bluto-laptop:~$ nslookup
>> 192.168.1.1
>> >>>>> Server:
>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>>> 192.168.1.9
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Address:? ? 192.168.1.9#53
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ** server can't find
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >> 1.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa.:
>> >>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>>> NXDOMAIN
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> tsellers at bluto-laptop:~$ dig
>> mydomain.com
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ; <<>> DiG 9.5.0-P2
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >> <<>>
>> >>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>>> mydomain.com
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> ;; global options:? printcmd
>> >>>>> ;; Got answer:
>> >>>>> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode:
>> QUERY,
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >> status:
>> >>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>>> NOERROR, id: 29703
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1,
>> ANSWER: 0,
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >> AUTHORITY:
>> >>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>>> 1, ADDITIONAL: 0
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
>> >>>>> ;mydomain.com.
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>>>? ? ? IN? ? A
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
>> >>>>> mydomain.com.
>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>>> 38400? ? IN
>> >>>> SOA? ? bluto.mydomain.com.
>> >>>> admin.mydomain.com. 2007062001 28800 3600
>> 604800
>> >>>>
>> >> 38400
>> >>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> ;; Query time: 1 msec
>> >>>>> ;; SERVER:
>> 192.168.1.9#53(192.168.1.9)
>> >>>>> ;; WHEN: Fri May 15 23:17:25 2009
>> >>>>> ;; MSG SIZE? rcvd: 78
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >>
>> >>>>> Cialug mailing list
>> >>>>> Cialug at cialug.org
>> >>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>> Cialug mailing list
>> >>>> Cialug at cialug.org
>> >>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> Cialug mailing list
>> >>> Cialug at cialug.org
>> >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Cialug mailing list
>> >> Cialug at cialug.org
>> >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Cialug mailing list
>> > Cialug at cialug.org
>> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>> >
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cialug mailing list
>> Cialug at cialug.org
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>


-- 
Jerry

From tdwalton at gmail.com  Mon May 18 06:15:39 2009
From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 06:15:39 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] UNIX: Live Free or Die
Message-ID: <e1d8c6520905180415y6d3ed5d3p79a8ec6a6f122c69@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090517/STYLE/305179976

Jon Hall, of Amherst, has the most celebrated license plate in New Hampshire.

Actually, it's more than that.

The combination of "Live Free or Die" and "UNIX" on his Jeep Wrangler
is the most celebrated New Hampshire license plate in the entire
world!

----------------------------

Iowa's UNIX plate is owned by someone in Indianola.  I saw it just yesterday.

--
Todd

From tom at tcpconsulting.com  Mon May 18 09:08:20 2009
From: tom at tcpconsulting.com (Tom Pohl)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 09:08:20 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] DNS Reverse Lookup
In-Reply-To: <537491.3020.qm@web56307.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <537491.3020.qm@web56307.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5C51CA5A-CC58-4F5F-A6BC-CF98098C69EC@tcpconsulting.com>

In your DNS setup, do you have an entry in your named.conf that points  
to your internal IP zone file?

Something like this (the file part will needs to point to your zone  
file that has your reverse dns entries):

zone "1.168.192.in-addr.arpa" {
         type master;
         file "data/192.168.1";
};


On May 16, 2009, at 9:45 AM, Tom Sellers wrote:

>
> I can't say since I am very new to working with DNS.  I don't have  
> the opportunity to work with this at work since all that is done by  
> our corporate support group.  That is why I was trying to learn  
> something about it by setting one up at home.
>
> I did learn some additional information that I don't know if is  
> significant this morning.  Most of my testing has been done from the  
> actual machine that is running the DNS.  When I do an nslookup on  
> that machine for example my local gateway (idendified as "gw") is  
> resolved right away.  However, if I go to a separate workstation and  
> peform a ping command (ping gw) it does not resolve.  If I give it a  
> fully qualified domain name (ping gw.mydomain.com) though it  
> resolves immediately.
>
> Is there anyone with a good knowledge of DNS that can give me some  
> guidance on my setup?  I am running Ubuntu 8.10 on the machine and  
> bind9. I have my DNS set up to forward to my ISP if the name does  
> not resolve. I can browse the internet so I am getting resolution to  
> outside web sites properly.  Directory structure is /etc/bind and  
> below that /etc/bind/zones.  There are both a forward and reverse  
> lookup in the zones directory.
>
> --- On Fri, 5/15/09, Matthew Lechleider <matthew at lechleider.com>  
> wrote:
>
>> From: Matthew Lechleider <matthew at lechleider.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Cialug] DNS Reverse Lookup
>> To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" <cialug at cialug.org>
>> Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 11:52 PM
>> I received the same response.
>>
>> Is there a standard response for reverse lookups on
>> internally reserved
>> address space?
>>
>> Does your computer know to look at your local namserver and
>> not a public
>> Internet nameserver?
>>
>>
>> Tom Sellers wrote:
>>> Here is the response to using the command that you
>> suggested.  Since I'm new to this I'm not sure what the
>> below tells me.  The section under Authority Section
>> looks a little questionable but not sure what it should look
>> like.
>>>
>>> Does this tell you anything of value?
>>>
>>> tsellers at bluto-laptop:~$ dig -x 192.168.1.1
>>>
>>> ; <<>> DiG 9.5.0-P2 <<>> -x
>> 192.168.1.1
>>> ;; global options:  printcmd
>>> ;; Got answer:
>>> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status:
>> NXDOMAIN, id: 62144
>>> ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1,
>> ADDITIONAL: 0
>>>
>>> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
>>> ;1.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa.
>> IN    PTR
>>>
>>> ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
>>> 168.192.in-addr.arpa.
>> 10800    IN
>> SOA    prisoner.iana.org.
>> hostmaster.root-servers.org. 2002040800 1800 900 604800
>> 604800
>>>
>>> ;; Query time: 486 msec
>>> ;; SERVER: 192.168.1.9#53(192.168.1.9)
>>> ;; WHEN: Fri May 15 23:36:23 2009
>>> ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 119
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Fri, 5/15/09, Matthew Lechleider <matthew at lechleider.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Matthew Lechleider <matthew at lechleider.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Cialug] DNS Reverse Lookup
>>>> To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" <cialug at cialug.org>
>>>> Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 11:33 PM
>>>> Try dig with the flag -x for reverse
>>>> lookup.
>>>>
>>>> dig -x IP
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tom Sellers wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have set up a DNS server on my home network
>> and
>>>>>
>>>> although it resolves machine names to IP addresses
>> just fine
>>>> I can't seem to make it perform the reverse
>> lookup
>>>> properly.
>>>>
>>>>> Below is an example and the DIG information on
>> my DNS
>>>>>
>>>> server.
>>>>
>>>>> Can anyone shed some light on where I have
>> gone wrong
>>>>>
>>>> here?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>> tsellers at bluto-laptop:~$ nslookup gw
>>>>> Server:
>>>>>
>>>> 192.168.1.9
>>>>
>>>>> Address:    192.168.1.9#53
>>>>>
>>>>> Name:    gw.mydomain.com
>>>>> Address: 192.168.1.1
>>>>>
>>>>> tsellers at bluto-laptop:~$ nslookup 192.168.1.1
>>>>> Server:
>>>>>
>>>> 192.168.1.9
>>>>
>>>>> Address:    192.168.1.9#53
>>>>>
>>>>> ** server can't find
>> 1.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa.:
>>>>>
>>>> NXDOMAIN
>>>>
>>>>> tsellers at bluto-laptop:~$ dig mydomain.com
>>>>>
>>>>> ; <<>> DiG 9.5.0-P2
>> <<>>
>>>>>
>>>> mydomain.com
>>>>
>>>>> ;; global options:  printcmd
>>>>> ;; Got answer:
>>>>> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY,
>> status:
>>>>>
>>>> NOERROR, id: 29703
>>>>
>>>>> ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0,
>> AUTHORITY:
>>>>>
>>>> 1, ADDITIONAL: 0
>>>>
>>>>> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
>>>>> ;mydomain.com.
>>
>>>>>
>>>>      IN    A
>>>>
>>>>> ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
>>>>> mydomain.com.
>>>>>
>>>> 38400    IN
>>>> SOA    bluto.mydomain.com.
>>>> admin.mydomain.com. 2007062001 28800 3600 604800
>> 38400
>>>>
>>>>> ;; Query time: 1 msec
>>>>> ;; SERVER: 192.168.1.9#53(192.168.1.9)
>>>>> ;; WHEN: Fri May 15 23:17:25 2009
>>>>> ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 78
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Cialug mailing list
>>>>> Cialug at cialug.org
>>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Cialug mailing list
>>>> Cialug at cialug.org
>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cialug mailing list
>>> Cialug at cialug.org
>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cialug mailing list
>> Cialug at cialug.org
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug


From dave at dchamp.net  Mon May 18 09:43:52 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 09:43:52 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] UNIX: Live Free or Die
In-Reply-To: <e1d8c6520905180415y6d3ed5d3p79a8ec6a6f122c69@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e1d8c6520905180415y6d3ed5d3p79a8ec6a6f122c69@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A117428.50109@dchamp.net>

That would be Jon Backstrom - one of the 4 original founders of 
CIALUG... he is still on whois and does DNS for the domain... but he 
hasn't been active in the group for quite a while.

Someone that works at Dice has a LINUX license plate.

-dc

Todd Walton wrote:
> http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090517/STYLE/305179976
>
> Jon Hall, of Amherst, has the most celebrated license plate in New Hampshire.
>
> Actually, it's more than that.
>
> The combination of "Live Free or Die" and "UNIX" on his Jeep Wrangler
> is the most celebrated New Hampshire license plate in the entire
> world!
>
> ----------------------------
>
> Iowa's UNIX plate is owned by someone in Indianola.  I saw it just yesterday.
>
> --
> Todd
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
>   


From tomsellers2001 at yahoo.com  Mon May 18 12:14:46 2009
From: tomsellers2001 at yahoo.com (Tom Sellers)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 10:14:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Cialug] DNS Reverse Lookup
Message-ID: <812633.54868.qm@web56301.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


Actually it looks like the information that you refer to below is in the named.conf.local file that exists in that same direcory.  I will attach the two file contents below.

named.conf
----------

// This is the primary configuration file for the BIND DNS server named.
//
// Please read /usr/share/doc/bind9/README.Debian.gz for information on the 
// structure of BIND configuration files in Debian, *BEFORE* you customize 
// this configuration file.
//
// If you are just adding zones, please do that in /etc/bind/named.conf.local

include "/etc/bind/named.conf.options";

// prime the server with knowledge of the root servers
zone "." {
	type hint;
	file "/etc/bind/db.root";
};

// be authoritative for the localhost forward and reverse zones, and for
// broadcast zones as per RFC 1912

zone "localhost" {
	type master;
	file "/etc/bind/db.local";
};

zone "127.in-addr.arpa" {
	type master;
	file "/etc/bind/db.127";
};

zone "0.in-addr.arpa" {
	type master;
	file "/etc/bind/db.0";
};

zone "255.in-addr.arpa" {
	type master;
	file "/etc/bind/db.255";
};

include "/etc/bind/named.conf.local";

named.conf.local
----------------

// Do any local configuration here
# Our domain zone 
zone "mydomain.com" {
   type master;
   file "/etc/bind/zones/mydomain.com.db";
};//

# For reverse DNS
zone "1.168.192.inaddr.arpa" {
   type master;
   file "/etc/bind/zones/rev.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa";
};
//
// Consider adding the 1918 zones here, if they are not used in your
// organization
//include "/etc/bind/zones.rfc1918";


--- On Mon, 5/18/09, Tom Pohl <tom at tcpconsulting.com> wrote:

> From: Tom Pohl <tom at tcpconsulting.com>
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] DNS Reverse Lookup
> To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" <cialug at cialug.org>
> Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 9:08 AM
> In your DNS setup, do you have an
> entry in your named.conf that points? 
> to your internal IP zone file?
> 
> Something like this (the file part will needs to point to
> your zone? 
> file that has your reverse dns entries):
> 
> zone "1.168.192.in-addr.arpa" {
> ? ? ? ???type master;
> ? ? ? ???file
> "data/192.168.1";
> };
> 
> 
> On May 16, 2009, at 9:45 AM, Tom Sellers wrote:
> 
> >
> > I can't say since I am very new to working with
> DNS.? I don't have? 
> > the opportunity to work with this at work since all
> that is done by? 
> > our corporate support group.? That is why I was
> trying to learn? 
> > something about it by setting one up at home.
> >
> > I did learn some additional information that I don't
> know if is? 
> > significant this morning.? Most of my testing has
> been done from the? 
> > actual machine that is running the DNS.? When I
> do an nslookup on? 
> > that machine for example my local gateway (idendified
> as "gw") is? 
> > resolved right away.? However, if I go to a
> separate workstation and? 
> > peform a ping command (ping gw) it does not
> resolve.? If I give it a? 
> > fully qualified domain name (ping gw.mydomain.com)
> though it? 
> > resolves immediately.
> >
> > Is there anyone with a good knowledge of DNS that can
> give me some? 
> > guidance on my setup?? I am running Ubuntu 8.10
> on the machine and? 
> > bind9. I have my DNS set up to forward to my ISP if
> the name does? 
> > not resolve. I can browse the internet so I am getting
> resolution to? 
> > outside web sites properly.? Directory structure
> is /etc/bind and? 
> > below that /etc/bind/zones.? There are both a
> forward and reverse? 
> > lookup in the zones directory.
> >
> > --- On Fri, 5/15/09, Matthew Lechleider <matthew at lechleider.com>?
> 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> From: Matthew Lechleider <matthew at lechleider.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Cialug] DNS Reverse Lookup
> >> To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" <cialug at cialug.org>
> >> Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 11:52 PM
> >> I received the same response.
> >>
> >> Is there a standard response for reverse lookups
> on
> >> internally reserved
> >> address space?
> >>
> >> Does your computer know to look at your local
> namserver and
> >> not a public
> >> Internet nameserver?
> >>
> >>
> >> Tom Sellers wrote:
> >>> Here is the response to using the command that
> you
> >> suggested.? Since I'm new to this I'm not
> sure what the
> >> below tells me.? The section under Authority
> Section
> >> looks a little questionable but not sure what it
> should look
> >> like.
> >>>
> >>> Does this tell you anything of value?
> >>>
> >>> tsellers at bluto-laptop:~$ dig -x 192.168.1.1
> >>>
> >>> ; <<>> DiG 9.5.0-P2
> <<>> -x
> >> 192.168.1.1
> >>> ;; global options:? printcmd
> >>> ;; Got answer:
> >>> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY,
> status:
> >> NXDOMAIN, id: 62144
> >>> ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0,
> AUTHORITY: 1,
> >> ADDITIONAL: 0
> >>>
> >>> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
> >>> ;1.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa.
> >> IN? ? PTR
> >>>
> >>> ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
> >>> 168.192.in-addr.arpa.
> >> 10800? ? IN
> >> SOA? ? prisoner.iana.org.
> >> hostmaster.root-servers.org. 2002040800 1800 900
> 604800
> >> 604800
> >>>
> >>> ;; Query time: 486 msec
> >>> ;; SERVER: 192.168.1.9#53(192.168.1.9)
> >>> ;; WHEN: Fri May 15 23:36:23 2009
> >>> ;; MSG SIZE? rcvd: 119
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- On Fri, 5/15/09, Matthew Lechleider <matthew at lechleider.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> From: Matthew Lechleider <matthew at lechleider.com>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Cialug] DNS Reverse Lookup
> >>>> To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group"
> <cialug at cialug.org>
> >>>> Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 11:33 PM
> >>>> Try dig with the flag -x for reverse
> >>>> lookup.
> >>>>
> >>>> dig -x IP
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Tom Sellers wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I have set up a DNS server on my home
> network
> >> and
> >>>>>
> >>>> although it resolves machine names to IP
> addresses
> >> just fine
> >>>> I can't seem to make it perform the
> reverse
> >> lookup
> >>>> properly.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Below is an example and the DIG
> information on
> >> my DNS
> >>>>>
> >>>> server.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Can anyone shed some light on where I
> have
> >> gone wrong
> >>>>>
> >>>> here?
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>>> tsellers at bluto-laptop:~$ nslookup gw
> >>>>> Server:
> >>>>>
> >>>> 192.168.1.9
> >>>>
> >>>>> Address:? ? 192.168.1.9#53
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Name:? ? gw.mydomain.com
> >>>>> Address: 192.168.1.1
> >>>>>
> >>>>> tsellers at bluto-laptop:~$ nslookup
> 192.168.1.1
> >>>>> Server:
> >>>>>
> >>>> 192.168.1.9
> >>>>
> >>>>> Address:? ? 192.168.1.9#53
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ** server can't find
> >> 1.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa.:
> >>>>>
> >>>> NXDOMAIN
> >>>>
> >>>>> tsellers at bluto-laptop:~$ dig
> mydomain.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ; <<>> DiG 9.5.0-P2
> >> <<>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> mydomain.com
> >>>>
> >>>>> ;; global options:? printcmd
> >>>>> ;; Got answer:
> >>>>> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode:
> QUERY,
> >> status:
> >>>>>
> >>>> NOERROR, id: 29703
> >>>>
> >>>>> ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1,
> ANSWER: 0,
> >> AUTHORITY:
> >>>>>
> >>>> 1, ADDITIONAL: 0
> >>>>
> >>>>> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
> >>>>> ;mydomain.com.
> >>
> >>>>>
> >>>>? ? ? IN? ? A
> >>>>
> >>>>> ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
> >>>>> mydomain.com.
> >>>>>
> >>>> 38400? ? IN
> >>>> SOA? ? bluto.mydomain.com.
> >>>> admin.mydomain.com. 2007062001 28800 3600
> 604800
> >> 38400
> >>>>
> >>>>> ;; Query time: 1 msec
> >>>>> ;; SERVER:
> 192.168.1.9#53(192.168.1.9)
> >>>>> ;; WHEN: Fri May 15 23:17:25 2009
> >>>>> ;; MSG SIZE? rcvd: 78
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> Cialug mailing list
> >>>>> Cialug at cialug.org
> >>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Cialug mailing list
> >>>> Cialug at cialug.org
> >>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> _______________________________________________
> >>> Cialug mailing list
> >>> Cialug at cialug.org
> >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >>>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Cialug mailing list
> >> Cialug at cialug.org
> >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cialug mailing list
> > Cialug at cialug.org
> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> 


      

From jrnosee at gmail.com  Mon May 18 12:19:55 2009
From: jrnosee at gmail.com (jrnosee at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 12:19:55 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] UNIX: Live Free or Die
In-Reply-To: <4A117428.50109@dchamp.net>
References: <e1d8c6520905180415y6d3ed5d3p79a8ec6a6f122c69@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A117428.50109@dchamp.net>
Message-ID: <a202c1b0905181019r578c9681r3b53173a9dd35b5d@mail.gmail.com>

So does someone at Pioneer I think.


On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 9:43 AM, David Champion <dave at dchamp.net> wrote:

> That would be Jon Backstrom - one of the 4 original founders of
> CIALUG... he is still on whois and does DNS for the domain... but he
> hasn't been active in the group for quite a while.
>
> Someone that works at Dice has a LINUX license plate.
>
> -dc
>
> Todd Walton wrote:
> >
> http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090517/STYLE/305179976
> >
> > Jon Hall, of Amherst, has the most celebrated license plate in New
> Hampshire.
> >
> > Actually, it's more than that.
> >
> > The combination of "Live Free or Die" and "UNIX" on his Jeep Wrangler
> > is the most celebrated New Hampshire license plate in the entire
> > world!
> >
> > ----------------------------
> >
> > Iowa's UNIX plate is owned by someone in Indianola.  I saw it just
> yesterday.
> >
> > --
> > Todd
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cialug mailing list
> > Cialug at cialug.org
> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
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From dave at dchamp.net  Mon May 18 18:22:18 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 18:22:18 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Router + displaylink...
Message-ID: <4A11EDAA.6070406@dchamp.net>

This is pretty cool... a router running OpenWRT, with a USB port 
connected to a DisplayLink screen... makes the router into a simple PC.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/displaylink-for-linux-turns-a-humble-wireless-router-into-a-beau/

-dc


From jrnosee at gmail.com  Mon May 18 21:55:16 2009
From: jrnosee at gmail.com (jrnosee at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 21:55:16 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Ubuntu Live CD Issues
Message-ID: <a202c1b0905181955q312c0a22r33c3d7682e886979@mail.gmail.com>

Ok, I can't remember if we've gone over this one or not.  I can't seem to
burn a properly working Ubuntu CD anymore.  I get this over and over again
while loading the live cd:

end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 1432224
Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 358056

and this shows up in dmesg:

sr 5:0:0:0: [sr0] Sense Key : Hardware Error [current]
sr 5:0:0:0: [sr0] Add. Sense: Timeout on logical unit
end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 1432224
Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 358056
sr 5:0:0:0: [sr0] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE,SUGGEST_OK

EVENTUALLY the live cd loads, but installs are nearly impossible.
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From morej at alliancetechnologies.net  Mon May 18 23:02:57 2009
From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 23:02:57 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Ubuntu Live CD Issues
Message-ID: <4A11E9210200002E000340A8@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>

Stupid questions:

1) Have you tried the burned CD on more than one computer?
2) Have you tried to burn the CD on a different computer?

In other words, I suspect hardware failure on either the burning or
reading drive.



-Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC 
 morej at alliancetechnologies.net 
 515-245-7701

>>> <jrnosee at gmail.com> 05/18/09 9:55 PM >>>
Ok, I can't remember if we've gone over this one or not.  I can't seem
to
burn a properly working Ubuntu CD anymore.  I get this over and over
again
while loading the live cd:

end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 1432224
Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 358056

and this shows up in dmesg:

sr 5:0:0:0: [sr0] Sense Key : Hardware Error [current]
sr 5:0:0:0: [sr0] Add. Sense: Timeout on logical unit
end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 1432224
Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 358056
sr 5:0:0:0: [sr0] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK
driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE,SUGGEST_OK

EVENTUALLY the live cd loads, but installs are nearly impossible.


From newz at bearfruit.org  Tue May 19 06:55:41 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 06:55:41 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Ubuntu Live CD Issues
In-Reply-To: <4A11E9210200002E000340A8@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
References: <4A11E9210200002E000340A8@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080905190455o5f4210bbucabb13e42b866bac@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Josh More
<morej at alliancetechnologies.net> wrote:
> Stupid questions:
>
> 1) Have you tried the burned CD on more than one computer?
> 2) Have you tried to burn the CD on a different computer?
>

Also, burn at a lower speed.

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter

From jrnosee at gmail.com  Tue May 19 08:33:13 2009
From: jrnosee at gmail.com (jrnosee at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 08:33:13 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Ubuntu Live CD Issues
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4080905190455o5f4210bbucabb13e42b866bac@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A11E9210200002E000340A8@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
	<f3c0b4080905190455o5f4210bbucabb13e42b866bac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a202c1b0905190633p1558b102g5553ef3a7a47aba5@mail.gmail.com>

Done the burn at lower speed.  Tried burn mode settings.  And I hope my dvd
burner's not going bad AGAIN.  I just swapped it 'cause my last one stopped
burning DVD-R properly (CD's - fine, DVD+R - fine, DVD-R...wtf?, read all -
fine... GRRR).  Is it that easy to wear out a DVD burner?  I mean I know I
burn quite a bit but really?  I've probably had this drive installed a
couple of months (swapped w/ wife's computer since she doesn't burn DVD's
much, but it's out of warranty).

Does anyone have any recent manufactured disks (8.10, 9.04)?  I would like
to see if it's my burning capacity or reading capacity.

On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 6:55 AM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:

> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Josh More
> <morej at alliancetechnologies.net> wrote:
> > Stupid questions:
> >
> > 1) Have you tried the burned CD on more than one computer?
> > 2) Have you tried to burn the CD on a different computer?
> >
>
> Also, burn at a lower speed.
>
> --
> Matthew Nuzum
> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
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From atporter at gmail.com  Tue May 19 15:15:51 2009
From: atporter at gmail.com (Aaron Porter)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 13:15:51 -0700
Subject: [Cialug] DNS Reverse Lookup
In-Reply-To: <812633.54868.qm@web56301.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <812633.54868.qm@web56301.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <667aab920905191315n2746c970g6d120e8694848230@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Tom Sellers <tomsellers2001 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> named.conf.local
> # Our domain zone
> # For reverse DNS

Don't use #'s for comments with BIND

> zone "1.168.192.inaddr.arpa" {
> ? type master;
> ? file "/etc/bind/zones/rev.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa";
> };

Looks like a typo here -- inaddr vs in-addr.

From djweis at internetsolver.com  Wed May 20 09:23:56 2009
From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 09:23:56 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Cialug] Just like when you were a kid...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0905200923300.3274@charmed.internetsolver.com>


I call Hessen Haus :-)

What's on tap for the meeting tonight?

-- 
Dave Weis
djweis at internetsolver.com
http://www.internetsolver.com/


From nathanism at gmail.com  Wed May 20 09:27:53 2009
From: nathanism at gmail.com (Nathan Stien)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 09:27:53 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Just like when you were a kid...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0905200923300.3274@charmed.internetsolver.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0905200923300.3274@charmed.internetsolver.com>
Message-ID: <8b490d600905200727k5cc5c395hbdb4121cb8f02ad6@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Dave Weis <djweis at internetsolver.com>wrote:

>
> I call Hessen Haus :-)
>

This inspires a pang of regret that I moved away from DSM ;-)
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From david at bierce.org  Wed May 20 09:35:03 2009
From: david at bierce.org (David Bierce)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 09:35:03 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Just like when you were a kid...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0905200923300.3274@charmed.internetsolver.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0905200923300.3274@charmed.internetsolver.com>
Message-ID: <F3454F95-881A-4993-B3EF-8E6E4B8080B3@bierce.org>

Optimator + Geeks + Linux = Someone losing data

On May 20, 2009, at 9:23 AM, Dave Weis wrote:

>
> I call Hessen Haus :-)
>
> What's on tap for the meeting tonight?
>
> -- 
> Dave Weis
> djweis at internetsolver.com
> http://www.internetsolver.com/
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
> 
>


!DSPAM:4a141519155531120848174!


From djweis at internetsolver.com  Wed May 20 11:05:56 2009
From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 11:05:56 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Just like when you were a kid...
In-Reply-To: <F3454F95-881A-4993-B3EF-8E6E4B8080B3@bierce.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0905200923300.3274@charmed.internetsolver.com>
	<F3454F95-881A-4993-B3EF-8E6E4B8080B3@bierce.org>
Message-ID: <4A142A64.1070200@internetsolver.com>


Haha, we can discuss backups first!

David Bierce wrote:
> Optimator + Geeks + Linux = Someone losing data
> 
> On May 20, 2009, at 9:23 AM, Dave Weis wrote:
> 
>> I call Hessen Haus :-)
>>
>> What's on tap for the meeting tonight?
>>
>> -- 
>> Dave Weis
>> djweis at internetsolver.com
>> http://www.internetsolver.com/
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cialug mailing list
>> Cialug at cialug.org
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
> !DSPAM:4a141519155531120848174!
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug




-- 
Dave Weis
515-224-9229
djweis at internetsolver.com
http://www.internetsolver.com/

From dave at dchamp.net  Wed May 20 11:15:49 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 11:15:49 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Just like when you were a kid...
In-Reply-To: <4A142A64.1070200@internetsolver.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0905200923300.3274@charmed.internetsolver.com>	<F3454F95-881A-4993-B3EF-8E6E4B8080B3@bierce.org>
	<4A142A64.1070200@internetsolver.com>
Message-ID: <4A142CB5.8030507@dchamp.net>

"Blessed are the pessimists, for they hath made backups."

I won't be at the meeting due to other required social engagements. May 
try to stop by the Haus later.

-dc

Dave Weis wrote:
> Haha, we can discuss backups first!
>
> David Bierce wrote:
>   
>> Optimator + Geeks + Linux = Someone losing data
>>
>> On May 20, 2009, at 9:23 AM, Dave Weis wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> I call Hessen Haus :-)
>>>
>>> What's on tap for the meeting tonight?
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Dave Weis
>>> djweis at internetsolver.com
>>> http://www.internetsolver.com/
>>>
>>> __


From tomsellers2001 at yahoo.com  Wed May 20 13:07:48 2009
From: tomsellers2001 at yahoo.com (Tom Sellers)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 11:07:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Cialug] DNS Reverse Lookup
Message-ID: <227803.41600.qm@web56308.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


Thanks for the tips below!  I had already figured out the typo issue which seems to have resolved the problem that I was seeing.  As for the # signs in the file,  I did that because the example I followed did it that way.
  
I can get both forward lookups and reverse lookups as well now.  I'm just experimenting with all the operations now.  My next step is to understand how to implement the ability to dynamically enter IP addresses assigned by my DHCP server into the DNS.  

I still am seeing some unexplained network traffic such as requests to both my DNS server and my outside ISP's DNS at nearly the same time.  I thought it would not send a request to the ISP unless my DNS server could not resolve the name.  Still looking at that issue (from a Windows 98 client workstation) to determine if I have the client set up incorrectly.

I appreciate your responses! I'm always open to suggestions.

--- On Tue, 5/19/09, Aaron Porter <atporter at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Aaron Porter <atporter at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] DNS Reverse Lookup
> To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" <cialug at cialug.org>
> Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 3:15 PM
> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Tom
> Sellers <tomsellers2001 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > named.conf.local
> > # Our domain zone
> > # For reverse DNS
> 
> Don't use #'s for comments with BIND
> 
> > zone "1.168.192.inaddr.arpa" {
> > ? type master;
> > ? file "/etc/bind/zones/rev.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa";
> > };
> 
> Looks like a typo here -- inaddr vs in-addr.
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> 


      

From morej at alliancetechnologies.net  Wed May 20 13:18:20 2009
From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 13:18:20 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Meeting tonight, was Re:  Just like when you were a	 kid...
Message-ID: <4A14031C0200002E00034243@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>

Yes there is a meeting.  Yes I should have sent out the reminder
earlier.  Sorry folks.

The de facto meeting topic for tonight is Programming.

Functionally, this means that some small group of you will start talking
about Python.  I'll complain about whitespace and mention that Perl does
everything we need.  Someone else will start to discuss Ruby, and we'll
ignore the folks that say that .NET programming under Mono is much more
usable than it used to be.

We'll also ignore the guy sitting in the back who keeps mentioning
Haskel and Smalltalk.

Or, you know, we might have a discussion.  :)

Then we'll go to Hessen Haus, even though they have a distinct lack of
chicken wings.

Good plan?





-Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC 
 morej at alliancetechnologies.net 
 515-245-7701

>>> Dave Weis <djweis at internetsolver.com> 05/20/09 9:24 AM >>>

I call Hessen Haus :-)

What's on tap for the meeting tonight?

-- 
Dave Weis
djweis at internetsolver.com
http://www.internetsolver.com/

_______________________________________________
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Cialug at cialug.org
http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug


From jrnosee at gmail.com  Wed May 20 14:03:48 2009
From: jrnosee at gmail.com (jrnosee at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 14:03:48 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Meeting tonight,
	was Re: Just like when you were a 	kid...
In-Reply-To: <4A14031C0200002E00034243@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
References: <4A14031C0200002E00034243@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <a202c1b0905201203v663fa542uf449d7e7d3f6388a@mail.gmail.com>

JAVA, C++?
Gui development?
and what IDE would someone use for .NET under linux anyways? -> mostly
because I want to know if I could switch to linux and still develop .NET
apps for Windows/Sharepoint/ASP.NET/etc for those who need them.
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From morej at alliancetechnologies.net  Wed May 20 14:12:35 2009
From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 14:12:35 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Meeting tonight,
	was Re: Just like when you were a	 	kid...
Message-ID: <4A140FD40200002E00034251@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>

As I have not been a developer for a great many years (and even when I
was, my IDE was vim :), would anyone on the list who intends to attend
the meeting be willing to give us an overview of current IDEs?



-Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC 
 morej at alliancetechnologies.net 
 515-245-7701

>>> <jrnosee at gmail.com> 05/20/09 2:03 PM >>>
JAVA, C++?
Gui development?
and what IDE would someone use for .NET under linux anyways? -> mostly
because I want to know if I could switch to linux and still develop .NET
apps for Windows/Sharepoint/ASP.NET/etc for those who need them.


From barry at vonahsen.com  Wed May 20 15:38:01 2009
From: barry at vonahsen.com (Barry Von Ahsen)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 15:38:01 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] software freedom day - registered
Message-ID: <4A146A29.3010507@vonahsen.com>

this year's date - 19-sept-2009

I'd assume the "SFD 2008" is a typo :)

-barry



Your SFD 2008 team, "cialug", has been confirmed registered.
You can check that your registration has been recorded on our system by 
verifying that your team is listed on
    http://cgi.softwarefreedomday.org/map.shtml
If your team is not listed there, please contact 
info at softwarefreedomday.org.

Sincerely,
The Board of Software Freedom International
Wed May 20 20:39:25 2009

From nfox at foxmediasystems.com  Wed May 20 19:02:18 2009
From: nfox at foxmediasystems.com (Nick Fox)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 19:02:18 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Ubuntu Live CD Issues
In-Reply-To: <a202c1b0905190633p1558b102g5553ef3a7a47aba5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A11E9210200002E000340A8@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>	<f3c0b4080905190455o5f4210bbucabb13e42b866bac@mail.gmail.com>
	<a202c1b0905190633p1558b102g5553ef3a7a47aba5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A149A0A.9050607@foxmediasystems.com>

This is a known issue with certain ROM Drives and their firmware having 
problems with isolinux and such on the Ubuntu LiveDisk... try booting 
the same disk from a different drive.

-Nick

jrnosee at gmail.com wrote:
> Done the burn at lower speed.  Tried burn mode settings.  And I hope 
> my dvd burner's not going bad AGAIN.  I just swapped it 'cause my last 
> one stopped burning DVD-R properly (CD's - fine, DVD+R - fine, 
> DVD-R...wtf?, read all - fine... GRRR).  Is it that easy to wear out a 
> DVD burner?  I mean I know I burn quite a bit but really?  I've 
> probably had this drive installed a couple of months (swapped w/ 
> wife's computer since she doesn't burn DVD's much, but it's out of 
> warranty).
>
> Does anyone have any recent manufactured disks (8.10, 9.04)?  I would 
> like to see if it's my burning capacity or reading capacity.
>
> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 6:55 AM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org 
> <mailto:newz at bearfruit.org>> wrote:
>
>     On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Josh More
>     <morej at alliancetechnologies.net
>     <mailto:morej at alliancetechnologies.net>> wrote:
>     > Stupid questions:
>     >
>     > 1) Have you tried the burned CD on more than one computer?
>     > 2) Have you tried to burn the CD on a different computer?
>     >
>
>     Also, burn at a lower speed.
>
>     --
>     Matthew Nuzum
>     newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca
>     <http://identi.ca> and twitter
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>   


-- 
Nick Fox

Fox Media Systems, LLC
Owner / President
1338 57th St.
Des Moines, IA 50311
www.foxmediasystems.com


From jrnosee at gmail.com  Wed May 20 20:07:35 2009
From: jrnosee at gmail.com (jrnosee at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 20:07:35 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Ubuntu Live CD Issues
In-Reply-To: <4A149A0A.9050607@foxmediasystems.com>
References: <4A11E9210200002E000340A8@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
	<f3c0b4080905190455o5f4210bbucabb13e42b866bac@mail.gmail.com>
	<a202c1b0905190633p1558b102g5553ef3a7a47aba5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A149A0A.9050607@foxmediasystems.com>
Message-ID: <a202c1b0905201807wbe875e2x6edff86adc8e1a4d@mail.gmail.com>

I forgot to add that this has the same problem with the same burned disk
across computers.  The only other thing I've found online is sometimes
there's a problem using cable select on the reading optical drive.  I've
tried setting a drive to master with no additional luck.
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From jrnosee at gmail.com  Wed May 20 20:53:28 2009
From: jrnosee at gmail.com (jrnosee at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 20:53:28 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] RSA secured wifi
Message-ID: <a202c1b0905201853s4b7bc2b6m99af4d03adbb4640@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone know how to set up a wifi client that works on a RSA
authenticated wifi network?  My office uses the Odyssey access client in
windows, and I'd like to access our wifi in ubuntu.

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From morej at alliancetechnologies.net  Thu May 21 11:38:18 2009
From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 11:38:18 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Summer Picnic?
Message-ID: <4A153D2A0200002E00034338@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>

I note that the LUG schedule reminds me that we generally have a LUG
picnic sometime in July/August.  Anyone out there willing to set it up?

Failing that, would anyone be interested in converting the picnic to a
light hike and geocaching excursion instead?  Might anyone on the list
be willing to run such a thing?




-Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC 
 morej at alliancetechnologies.net 
 515-245-7701



From dave at dchamp.net  Thu May 21 12:31:34 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 12:31:34 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Just like when you were a kid...
In-Reply-To: <4A142CB5.8030507@dchamp.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0905200923300.3274@charmed.internetsolver.com>	<F3454F95-881A-4993-B3EF-8E6E4B8080B3@bierce.org>	<4A142A64.1070200@internetsolver.com>
	<4A142CB5.8030507@dchamp.net>
Message-ID: <4A158FF6.3000407@dchamp.net>

Follow-up... here's a slasdot .sig I saw today:

"Jesus saves. Buddha makes incremental backups."

Good turnout last night, BTW. I'm guessing if there were that many at 
Hessen Haus, the meeting was probably packed.

-dc

David Champion wrote:
> "Blessed are the pessimists, for they hath made backups."
>
> I won't be at the meeting due to other required social engagements. May 
> try to stop by the Haus later.
>
> -dc
>
> Dave Weis wrote:
>   
>> Haha, we can discuss backups first!
>>
>> David Bierce wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>> Optimator + Geeks + Linux = Someone losing data
>>>
>>> On May 20, 2009, at 9:23 AM, Dave Weis wrote:
>>>
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> I call Hessen Haus :-)
>>>>
>>>> What's on tap for the meeting tonight?
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Dave Weis
>>>> djweis at internetsolver.com
>>>> http://www.internetsolver.com/
>>>>
>>>> __
>>>>         


From jim.asbille at gmail.com  Thu May 21 15:27:24 2009
From: jim.asbille at gmail.com (Jim Asbille)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 15:27:24 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Just like when you were a kid...
In-Reply-To: <4A158FF6.3000407@dchamp.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0905200923300.3274@charmed.internetsolver.com>
	<F3454F95-881A-4993-B3EF-8E6E4B8080B3@bierce.org>
	<4A142A64.1070200@internetsolver.com> <4A142CB5.8030507@dchamp.net>
	<4A158FF6.3000407@dchamp.net>
Message-ID: <60fcb45d0905211327w5188b868lec71ee8116167a0e@mail.gmail.com>

Ha!  That quote is a winner!

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 12:31 PM, David Champion <dave at dchamp.net> wrote:

>
> "Jesus saves. Buddha makes incremental backups."
>



-- 
Jim Asbille, MSM
registered Linux user number 388067

The difference between Microsoft and ?Jurassic Park?:
In one, a mad businessman makes a lot of money with beasts that should be
extinct.
The other is a film.
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From james at dhlake.com  Thu May 21 20:48:08 2009
From: james at dhlake.com (James Shoemaker)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 20:48:08 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Summer Picnic?
In-Reply-To: <4A153D2A0200002E00034338@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
References: <4A153D2A0200002E00034338@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <4A160458.3080406@dhlake.com>

Josh More wrote:
> I note that the LUG schedule reminds me that we generally have a LUG
> picnic sometime in July/August.  Anyone out there willing to set it up?

   1: What's the normal attendance number for a picnic?
   2: How far are people willing to drive?
   3: How are the food/beverages normally funded?

James

From jrnosee at gmail.com  Fri May 22 09:55:14 2009
From: jrnosee at gmail.com (jrnosee at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 09:55:14 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Corp. WiFi
Message-ID: <a202c1b0905220755w95d86e8q8d775e9c7b45c1c4@mail.gmail.com>

Ok, my office is set up with a...dificult...wireless configuration.  I'm
convinced I'm almost online, but need a hand.  Here's what I've got going
on.

Running Ubuntu 9.04

Corp wifi config:
Windows users use the Funk Software Odyssey Access Client (OAC)
Hidden SSID - I do know what it is though.
Looks like we use 8021x key handling (OAC shows WEP encryption generated
automatically)
Association Mode: open (?)
Auth Protocol: EAP/TTLS
TTLS inner Protocol: PAP/Token Card (we use RSA key fobs w/ generated
numbers)
Anonomous identity: anonomous
identity: RAS keyfob userid
password: pin+RAS keyfob
company secured CA file... XXXXXX.cer
  - I converted this using openssl from der to pem and placed in
/etc/ssl/certs/XXXXXX.pem (linked to .crt file..used the proper method to do
this..can't remember it right now)

I've tried to set this up using network manager.  It's the closest I've
gotten.
It associates with the access point and attempts authorization.  I don't
have the whole error with me (laptop's at home right now) but I think this
is the cause of my problem:
"TLS: Certificate verification failed, error 20 (unable to get local issuer
certificate) wap_supplicant"

tried wircd with mostly the same results

tried using command line wpa_supplicant with .conf file and -dd for extra
debugging since most things I saw on google reccomended this for testing.  I
can't get this method to associate with the hidden ssid access point.

Anyone have any thoughts?  I can post the full error if needed after work
hours when I'm home.

Thanks!!

--Justin
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From matthew at lechleider.com  Fri May 22 10:14:07 2009
From: matthew at lechleider.com (Matthew Lechleider)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 10:14:07 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Corp. WiFi
In-Reply-To: <a202c1b0905220755w95d86e8q8d775e9c7b45c1c4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a202c1b0905220755w95d86e8q8d775e9c7b45c1c4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A16C13F.1050202@lechleider.com>

Try the command iwlist

It will list all of the access points in your area even if the SSID is 
hidden.  iwlist will also list the mac address.

If you have physical access to the access point, find the MAC address.

iwlist will have some other useful information you can verify such as 
type of encryption.

Using aircrack-ng you can capture the traffic to find out additional 
information.



jrnosee at gmail.com wrote:
> Ok, my office is set up with a...dificult...wireless configuration.  
> I'm convinced I'm almost online, but need a hand.  Here's what I've 
> got going on.
>
> Running Ubuntu 9.04
>
> Corp wifi config:
> Windows users use the Funk Software Odyssey Access Client (OAC)
> Hidden SSID - I do know what it is though.
> Looks like we use 8021x key handling (OAC shows WEP encryption 
> generated automatically)
> Association Mode: open (?)
> Auth Protocol: EAP/TTLS
> TTLS inner Protocol: PAP/Token Card (we use RSA key fobs w/ generated 
> numbers)
> Anonomous identity: anonomous
> identity: RAS keyfob userid
> password: pin+RAS keyfob
> company secured CA file... XXXXXX.cer
>   - I converted this using openssl from der to pem and placed in 
> /etc/ssl/certs/XXXXXX.pem (linked to .crt file..used the proper method 
> to do this..can't remember it right now)
>
> I've tried to set this up using network manager.  It's the closest 
> I've gotten.
> It associates with the access point and attempts authorization.  I 
> don't have the whole error with me (laptop's at home right now) but I 
> think this is the cause of my problem:
> "TLS: Certificate verification failed, error 20 (unable to get local 
> issuer certificate) wap_supplicant"
>
> tried wircd with mostly the same results
>
> tried using command line wpa_supplicant with .conf file and -dd for 
> extra debugging since most things I saw on google reccomended this for 
> testing.  I can't get this method to associate with the hidden ssid 
> access point.
>
> Anyone have any thoughts?  I can post the full error if needed after 
> work hours when I'm home.
>
> Thanks!!
>
> --Justin
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>   


From jrnosee at gmail.com  Fri May 22 10:20:53 2009
From: jrnosee at gmail.com (jrnosee at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 10:20:53 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Corp. WiFi
In-Reply-To: <4A16C13F.1050202@lechleider.com>
References: <a202c1b0905220755w95d86e8q8d775e9c7b45c1c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A16C13F.1050202@lechleider.com>
Message-ID: <a202c1b0905220820k1a5a6abaq128600b41c97c742@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah... wicd (not wircd...sorry) listed the <hidden> AP and gave a MAC
address.  So I've got that too.  I've verified the encryption is WEP (auto
generated - thus the 8021x?)

What other information should I be looking for?
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From jbailey at co.marshall.ia.us  Fri May 22 10:31:26 2009
From: jbailey at co.marshall.ia.us (Jonathan C. Bailey)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 10:31:26 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Cialug] Corp. WiFi
In-Reply-To: <a202c1b0905220755w95d86e8q8d775e9c7b45c1c4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <22884115.364111243006286702.JavaMail.root@zimbra>

Just a guess, but could your company also require certificates for the machine side of the authentication? The PIN/fob may just be the user side of 2 factor..

-Jon

----- Original Message -----
From: jrnosee at gmail.com
To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" <cialug at cialug.org>
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 9:55:14 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [Cialug] Corp. WiFi


Ok, my office is set up with a...dificult...wireless configuration. I'm convinced I'm almost online, but need a hand. Here's what I've got going on. 

Running Ubuntu 9.04 

Corp wifi config: 
Windows users use the Funk Software Odyssey Access Client (OAC) 
Hidden SSID - I do know what it is though. 
Looks like we use 8021x key handling (OAC shows WEP encryption generated automatically) 
Association Mode: open (?) 
Auth Protocol: EAP/TTLS 
TTLS inner Protocol: PAP/Token Card (we use RSA key fobs w/ generated numbers) 
Anonomous identity: anonomous 
identity: RAS keyfob userid 
password: pin+RAS keyfob 
company secured CA file... XXXXXX.cer 
- I converted this using openssl from der to pem and placed in /etc/ssl/certs/XXXXXX.pem (linked to .crt file..used the proper method to do this..can't remember it right now) 

I've tried to set this up using network manager. It's the closest I've gotten. 
It associates with the access point and attempts authorization. I don't have the whole error with me (laptop's at home right now) but I think this is the cause of my problem: 
"TLS: Certificate verification failed, error 20 (unable to get local issuer certificate) wap_supplicant" 

tried wircd with mostly the same results 

tried using command line wpa_supplicant with .conf file and -dd for extra debugging since most things I saw on google reccomended this for testing. I can't get this method to associate with the hidden ssid access point. 

Anyone have any thoughts? I can post the full error if needed after work hours when I'm home. 

Thanks!! 

--Justin 

_______________________________________________
Cialug mailing list
Cialug at cialug.org
http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug

From jrnosee at gmail.com  Fri May 22 10:45:32 2009
From: jrnosee at gmail.com (jrnosee at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 10:45:32 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Corp. WiFi
In-Reply-To: <22884115.364111243006286702.JavaMail.root@zimbra>
References: <a202c1b0905220755w95d86e8q8d775e9c7b45c1c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<22884115.364111243006286702.JavaMail.root@zimbra>
Message-ID: <a202c1b0905220845k4411d9b4s630753307fa01475@mail.gmail.com>

I'm assuming you mean a certificate file loaded to the laptop?

company secured CA file... XXXXXX.cer
- I converted this using openssl from der to pem and placed in
/etc/ssl/certs/XXXXXX.pem (linked to .crt file..used the proper method to do
this..can't remember it right now)

Yep, got that too.  I think this may be where my error is coming from.

"TLS: Certificate verification failed, error 20 (unable to get local issuer
certificate) wap_supplicant"
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From doncady at gmail.com  Fri May 22 14:25:43 2009
From: doncady at gmail.com (Don Cady)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 14:25:43 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Summer Picnic?
In-Reply-To: <4A153D2A0200002E00034338@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
References: <4A153D2A0200002E00034338@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <bfffc7a70905221225y216c968fi5510c6a7a090ed34@mail.gmail.com>

> I note that the LUG schedule reminds me that we generally have a LUG
> picnic sometime in July/August. ?Anyone out there willing to set it up?
>
> Failing that, would anyone be interested in converting the picnic to a
> light hike and geocaching excursion instead? ?Might anyone on the list
> be willing to run such a thing?

Since the low turnout for 'Movie Night', I've been wondering if we
pick the best times(/days) to have these non-regular events. For
whoever organizes this, I propose trying one of the
web-poll-date-picking tools:
http://whichdateworks.com/
http://doodle.com/
http://whenisgood.net/
http://www.moreganize.com/

Don

From jeff at ocjtech.us  Fri May 22 14:35:17 2009
From: jeff at ocjtech.us (Jeffrey Ollie)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 14:35:17 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Summer Picnic?
In-Reply-To: <4A153D2A0200002E00034338@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
References: <4A153D2A0200002E00034338@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <935ead450905221235q2e639815u2bcd650d867d400a@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Josh More
<morej at alliancetechnologies.net> wrote:
> I note that the LUG schedule reminds me that we generally have a LUG
> picnic sometime in July/August. ?Anyone out there willing to set it up?
>
> Failing that, would anyone be interested in converting the picnic to a
> light hike and geocaching excursion instead? ?Might anyone on the list
> be willing to run such a thing?

I'm down for some geocaching.  I don't think I can commit to planning
the whole shindig though.

-- 
Jeff Ollie

From zach at kotlarek.com  Fri May 22 14:37:01 2009
From: zach at kotlarek.com (Zachary Kotlarek)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 14:37:01 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Summer Picnic?
In-Reply-To: <bfffc7a70905221225y216c968fi5510c6a7a090ed34@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A153D2A0200002E00034338@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
	<bfffc7a70905221225y216c968fi5510c6a7a090ed34@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56494183-41FB-4DE1-BBD3-BE2A7E845A72@kotlarek.com>


On May 22, 2009, at 2:25 PM, Don Cady wrote:

> Since the low turnout for 'Movie Night'


The incorrect address for 'Movie Night' was at least a contributing  
factor.

	Zach

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From jrnosee at gmail.com  Fri May 22 16:19:57 2009
From: jrnosee at gmail.com (jrnosee at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 16:19:57 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Corp. WiFi
In-Reply-To: <a202c1b0905220845k4411d9b4s630753307fa01475@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a202c1b0905220755w95d86e8q8d775e9c7b45c1c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<22884115.364111243006286702.JavaMail.root@zimbra>
	<a202c1b0905220845k4411d9b4s630753307fa01475@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a202c1b0905221419x1d897272x9a637e0a308a7048@mail.gmail.com>

Attached is a slightly modified for privacy screenlog.  I got wpa_supplicant
to partially work from command line (had to kill Network Manager).  It finds
the AP now and begins authentication.  SSL fails.  I believe this is a
better indication of the same error I was getting before:

1243025674.549128: TLS: Trusted root certificate(s) loaded
1243025674.549145: EAP-TTLS: Start
1243025674.549190: SSL: (where=0x10 ret=0x1)
1243025674.549257: SSL: (where=0x1001 ret=0x1)
1243025674.549268: SSL: SSL_connect:before/connect initialization
1243025674.549317: SSL: (where=0x1001 ret=0x1)
1243025674.549326: SSL: SSL_connect:SSLv3 write client hello A
1243025674.549340: SSL: (where=0x1002 ret=0xffffffff)
1243025674.549347: SSL: SSL_connect:error in SSLv3 read server hello A
1243025674.549360: SSL: SSL_connect - want more data
1243025674.549367: SSL: 93 bytes pending from ssl_out
1243025674.549378: SSL: 93 bytes left to be sent out (of total 93 bytes)
1243025674.549387: EAP: method process -> ignore=FALSE methodState=MAY_CONT
decision=FAIL
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neomatrixjr at MatrixLaptop:~$ sudo wpa_supplicant -i eth1 -D wext -c ./wpa_supplicant.conf -dddt
1243025673.872677: Initializing interface 'eth1' conf './wpa_supplicant.conf' driver 'wext' ctrl_interface 'N/A' bridge 'N/A'
1243025673.873204: Configuration file './wpa_supplicant.conf' -> '/home/neomatrixjr/./wpa_supplicant.conf'
1243025673.873469: Reading configuration file '/home/neomatrixjr/./wpa_supplicant.conf'
1243025673.873793: ctrl_interface='/var/run/wpa_supplicant'
1243025673.874026: ap_scan=2
1243025673.874259: eapol_version=2
1243025673.874448: Line: 5 - start of a new network block
1243025673.874699: ssid - hexdump_ascii(len=8):
     XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX                           <SSID>
1243025673.875119: key_mgmt: 0x8
1243025673.875348: eap methods - hexdump(len=16): 00 00 00 00 15 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1243025673.875613: phase2 - hexdump_ascii(len=8):
     61 75 74 68 3d 50 41 50                           auth=PAP       
1243025673.876040: identity - hexdump_ascii(len=6):
     XX XX XX XX XX XX                             <USERID>
1243025673.876472: password - hexdump_ascii(len=10):
     XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX                     <PASSWORD>
1243025673.876933: ca_cert - hexdump_ascii(len=27):
     2f 65 74 63 2f 73 73 6c 2f 63 65 72 74 73 2f 64   /etc/ssl/certs/d     75 50 6f 6e 74 43 41 2e 70 65 6d                  uPontCA.pem    
1243025673.877441: Priority group 0
1243025673.877640:    id=0 ssid='<SSID>'
1243025673.877841: Initializing interface (2) 'eth1'
1243025673.878187: SIOCGIWRANGE: WE(compiled)=22 WE(source)=18 enc_capa=0xf
1243025673.878420:   capabilities: key_mgmt 0xf enc 0xf flags 0x0
1243025673.878951: WEXT: Operstate: linkmode=1, operstate=5
1243025673.879369: Own MAC address: 00:15:00:07:e6:64
1243025673.879587: wpa_driver_wext_set_wpa
1243025673.879972: wpa_driver_wext_set_key: alg=0 key_idx=0 set_tx=0 seq_len=0 key_len=0
1243025673.880963: wpa_driver_wext_set_key: alg=0 key_idx=1 set_tx=0 seq_len=0 key_len=0
1243025673.881214: wpa_driver_wext_set_key: alg=0 key_idx=2 set_tx=0 seq_len=0 key_len=0
1243025673.881454: wpa_driver_wext_set_key: alg=0 key_idx=3 set_tx=0 seq_len=0 key_len=0
1243025673.881693: wpa_driver_wext_set_countermeasures
1243025673.881900: wpa_driver_wext_set_drop_unencrypted
1243025673.892194: RSN: flushing PMKID list in the driver
1243025673.892535: Setting scan request: 0 sec 100000 usec
1243025673.896071: EAPOL: SUPP_PAE entering state DISCONNECTED
1243025673.896185: EAPOL: KEY_RX entering state NO_KEY_RECEIVE
1243025673.896284: EAPOL: SUPP_BE entering state INITIALIZE
1243025673.896381: EAP: EAP entering state DISABLED
1243025673.896497: Using existing control interface directory.
1243025673.896628: ctrl_iface bind(PF_UNIX) failed: Address already in use
1243025673.896738: ctrl_iface exists, but does not allow connections - assuming it was leftover from forced program termination
1243025673.896883: Successfully replaced leftover ctrl_iface socket '/var/run/wpa_supplicant/eth1'
1243025673.897037: Added interface eth1
1243025673.897164: RTM_NEWLINK: operstate=0 ifi_flags=0x11003 ([UP][LOWER_UP])
1243025673.897270: RTM_NEWLINK, IFLA_IFNAME: Interface 'eth1' added
1243025673.897373: Wireless event: cmd=0x8b06 len=8
1243025673.897477: RTM_NEWLINK: operstate=0 ifi_flags=0x1003 ([UP])
1243025673.897576: RTM_NEWLINK, IFLA_IFNAME: Interface 'eth1' added
1243025673.897676: RTM_NEWLINK: operstate=0 ifi_flags=0x1003 ([UP])
1243025673.897774: RTM_NEWLINK, IFLA_IFNAME: Interface 'eth1' added
1243025673.897870: Wireless event: cmd=0x8b15 len=20
1243025673.897962: Wireless event: new AP: 00:00:00:00:00:00
1243025673.898060: Added BSSID 00:00:00:00:00:00 into blacklist
1243025673.898191: CTRL-EVENT-DISCONNECTED - Disconnect event - remove keys
1243025673.898293: wpa_driver_wext_set_key: alg=0 key_idx=0 set_tx=0 seq_len=0 key_len=0
1243025673.898408: wpa_driver_wext_set_key: alg=0 key_idx=1 set_tx=0 seq_len=0 key_len=0
1243025673.898517: wpa_driver_wext_set_key: alg=0 key_idx=2 set_tx=0 seq_len=0 key_len=0
1243025673.899021: wpa_driver_wext_set_key: alg=0 key_idx=3 set_tx=0 seq_len=0 key_len=0
1243025673.899132: wpa_driver_wext_set_key: alg=0 key_idx=0 set_tx=0 seq_len=0 key_len=0
1243025673.899244: State: DISCONNECTED -> DISCONNECTED
1243025673.899340: wpa_driver_wext_set_operstate: operstate 0->0 (DORMANT)
1243025673.899441: WEXT: Operstate: linkmode=-1, operstate=5
1243025673.899548: EAPOL: External notification - portEnabled=0
1243025673.899647: EAPOL: External notification - portValid=0
1243025673.992769: State: DISCONNECTED -> SCANNING
1243025673.992826: Trying to associate with SSID 'APWLAN04'
1243025673.992836: Cancelling scan request
1243025673.992842: WPA: clearing own WPA/RSN IE
1243025673.992867: Automatic auth_alg selection: 0x1
1243025673.992879: WPA: clearing AP WPA IE
1243025673.992885: WPA: clearing AP RSN IE
1243025673.992891: WPA: clearing own WPA/RSN IE
1243025673.992898: No keys have been configured - skip key clearing
1243025673.992904: wpa_driver_wext_set_drop_unencrypted
1243025673.992912: State: SCANNING -> ASSOCIATING
1243025673.992918: wpa_driver_wext_set_operstate: operstate 0->0 (DORMANT)
1243025673.992926: WEXT: Operstate: linkmode=-1, operstate=5
1243025673.992950: wpa_driver_wext_associate
1243025673.992967: wpa_driver_wext_set_psk
1243025673.992979: Setting authentication timeout: 60 sec 0 usec
1243025673.992989: EAPOL: External notification - portControl=Auto
1243025673.993075: RTM_NEWLINK: operstate=0 ifi_flags=0x1003 ([UP])
1243025673.993088: RTM_NEWLINK, IFLA_IFNAME: Interface 'eth1' added
1243025673.993097: Wireless event: cmd=0x8b06 len=8
1243025674.540322: RTM_NEWLINK: operstate=0 ifi_flags=0x11003 ([UP][LOWER_UP])
1243025674.540376: RTM_NEWLINK, IFLA_IFNAME: Interface 'eth1' added
1243025674.540386: Wireless event: cmd=0x8b15 len=20
1243025674.540393: Wireless event: new AP: 00:0f:24:c6:8c:80
1243025674.540414: State: ASSOCIATING -> ASSOCIATED
1243025674.540422: wpa_driver_wext_set_operstate: operstate 0->0 (DORMANT)
1243025674.540430: WEXT: Operstate: linkmode=-1, operstate=5
1243025674.541310: Associated to a new BSS: BSSID=00:0f:24:c6:8c:80
1243025674.541328: No keys have been configured - skip key clearing
1243025674.541334: Select network based on association information
1243025674.541345: Network configuration found for the current AP
1243025674.541352: WPA: clearing AP WPA IE
1243025674.541358: WPA: clearing AP RSN IE
1243025674.541363: WPA: clearing own WPA/RSN IE
1243025674.541372: EAPOL: External notification - portControl=Auto
1243025674.541387: Associated with 00:0f:24:c6:8c:80
1243025674.541393: WPA: Association event - clear replay counter
1243025674.541399: WPA: Clear old PTK
1243025674.541405: EAPOL: External notification - portEnabled=0
1243025674.541411: EAPOL: External notification - portValid=0
1243025674.541417: EAPOL: External notification - portEnabled=1
1243025674.541423: EAPOL: SUPP_PAE entering state CONNECTING
1243025674.541430: EAPOL: SUPP_BE entering state IDLE
1243025674.541436: EAP: EAP entering state INITIALIZE
1243025674.541442: EAP: EAP entering state IDLE
1243025674.541451: Setting authentication timeout: 10 sec 0 usec
1243025674.541460: Cancelling scan request
1243025674.541473: RTM_NEWLINK: operstate=0 ifi_flags=0x11003 ([UP][LOWER_UP])
1243025674.541481: RTM_NEWLINK, IFLA_IFNAME: Interface 'eth1' added
1243025674.541506: RX EAPOL from 00:0f:24:c6:8c:80
1243025674.541542: RX EAPOL - hexdump(len=58): 01 00 00 36 01 01 00 36 01 00 6e 65 74 77 6f 72 6b 69 64 3d 41 50 57 4c 41 4e 30 34 2c 6e 61 73 69 64 3d 61 70 2d 73 68 75 6c 6c 2d 33 36 2d 31 62 2c 70 6f 72 74 69 64 3d 30
1243025674.541552: Setting authentication timeout: 70 sec 0 usec
1243025674.541561: EAPOL: Received EAP-Packet frame
1243025674.541567: EAPOL: SUPP_PAE entering state RESTART
1243025674.541573: EAP: EAP entering state INITIALIZE
1243025674.541578: EAP: EAP entering state IDLE
1243025674.541584: EAPOL: SUPP_PAE entering state AUTHENTICATING
1243025674.541590: EAPOL: SUPP_BE entering state REQUEST
1243025674.541596: EAPOL: getSuppRsp
1243025674.541601: EAP: EAP entering state RECEIVED
1243025674.541637: EAP: Received EAP-Request id=1 method=1 vendor=0 vendorMethod=0
1243025674.541646: EAP: EAP entering state IDENTITY
1243025674.541653: CTRL-EVENT-EAP-STARTED EAP authentication started
1243025674.541695: EAP: EAP-Request Identity data - hexdump_ascii(len=49):
     00 6e 65 74 77 6f 72 6b 69 64 3d 41 50 57 4c 41   _networkid=APWLA     4e 30 34 2c 6e 61 73 69 64 3d 61 70 2d 73 68 75   N04,nasid=ap-shu     6c 6c 2d 33 36 2d 31 62 2c 70 6f 72 74 69 64 3d   ll-36-1b,portid=     30                                                0              
1243025674.541722: EAP: using real identity - hexdump_ascii(len=6):
     6d 61 38 35 36 31                                 ma8561         
1243025674.541734: EAP: EAP entering state SEND_RESPONSE
1243025674.541740: EAP: EAP entering state IDLE
1243025674.541746: EAPOL: SUPP_BE entering state RESPONSE
1243025674.541752: EAPOL: txSuppRsp
1243025674.541759: TX EAPOL: dst=00:0f:24:c6:8c:80
1243025674.541774: TX EAPOL - hexdump(len=15): 02 00 00 0b 02 01 00 0b 01 6d 61 38 35 36 31
1243025674.541807: EAPOL: SUPP_BE entering state RECEIVE
1243025674.548578: RX EAPOL from 00:0f:24:c6:8c:80
1243025674.548619: RX EAPOL - hexdump(len=46): 01 00 00 06 01 02 00 06 15 20 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1243025674.548629: EAPOL: Received EAP-Packet frame
1243025674.548636: EAPOL: SUPP_BE entering state REQUEST
1243025674.548642: EAPOL: getSuppRsp
1243025674.548648: EAP: EAP entering state RECEIVED
1243025674.548657: EAP: Received EAP-Request id=2 method=21 vendor=0 vendorMethod=0
1243025674.548665: EAP: EAP entering state GET_METHOD
1243025674.548672: EAP: Initialize selected EAP method: vendor 0 method 21 (TTLS)
1243025674.548690: EAP-TTLS: Phase2 type: PAP
1243025674.548699: CTRL-EVENT-EAP-METHOD EAP vendor 0 method 21 (TTLS) selected
1243025674.548707: EAP: EAP entering state METHOD
1243025674.548734: SSL: Received packet(len=6) - Flags 0x20
1243025674.548743: EAP-TTLS: Start (server ver=0, own ver=0)
1243025674.548750: TLS: using phase1 config options
1243025674.549128: TLS: Trusted root certificate(s) loaded
1243025674.549145: EAP-TTLS: Start
1243025674.549190: SSL: (where=0x10 ret=0x1)
1243025674.549257: SSL: (where=0x1001 ret=0x1)
1243025674.549268: SSL: SSL_connect:before/connect initialization
1243025674.549317: SSL: (where=0x1001 ret=0x1)
1243025674.549326: SSL: SSL_connect:SSLv3 write client hello A
1243025674.549340: SSL: (where=0x1002 ret=0xffffffff)
1243025674.549347: SSL: SSL_connect:error in SSLv3 read server hello A
1243025674.549360: SSL: SSL_connect - want more data
1243025674.549367: SSL: 93 bytes pending from ssl_out
1243025674.549378: SSL: 93 bytes left to be sent out (of total 93 bytes)
1243025674.549387: EAP: method process -> ignore=FALSE methodState=MAY_CONT decision=FAIL
1243025674.549396: EAP: EAP entering state SEND_RESPONSE
1243025674.549403: EAP: EAP entering state IDLE
1243025674.549410: EAPOL: SUPP_BE entering state RESPONSE
1243025674.549416: EAPOL: txSuppRsp
1243025674.549422: TX EAPOL: dst=00:0f:24:c6:8c:80
1243025674.549474: TX EAPOL - hexdump(len=103): 02 00 00 63 02 02 00 63 15 00 16 03 01 00 58 01 00 00 54 03 01 4a 17 11 0a 51 04 9d 2a d9 b4 e5 01 ad e1 9f c1 2c a1 c1 45 df d8 f9 88 9e d8 c0 4b c4 51 c7 18 00 00 26 00 39 00 38 00 35 00 16 00 13 00 0a 00 33 00 32 00 2f 00 05 00 04 00 15 00 12 00 09 00 14 00 11 00 08 00 06 00 03 02 01 00 00 04 00 23 00 00
1243025674.549505: EAPOL: SUPP_BE entering state RECEIVE
1243025674.563050: RX EAPOL from 00:0f:24:c6:8c:80
1243025674.563488: RX EAPOL - hexdump(len=1024): 01 00 03 fc 01 03 03 fc 15 c0 00 00 06 bd 16 03 01 00 4a 02 00 00 46 03 01 4a 17 04 4b f0 9b e5 cc d9 83 44 e8 dd a0 93 58 e1 05 a5 fd 5c ca f3 eb 88 a9 4a 8d 12 02 86 ef 20 d9 01 fa e5 10 b4 85 86 3a 27 e1 93 ce 77 2b 76 0b e2 82 7b b7 55 c5 15 66 b8 be 4c a6 84 cc 72 00 16 00 16 03 01 04 c3 0b 00 04 bf 00 04 bc 00 04 b9 30 82 04 b5 30 82 04 1e a0 03 02 01 02 02 10 34 0d 1e 0a 5f 56 63 a2 fb ec 1e e3 26 13 f1 69 30 0d 06 09 2a 86 48 86 f7 0d 01 01 05 05 00 30 81 ba 31 1f 30 1d 06 03 55 04 0a 13 16 56 65 72 69 53 69 67 6e 20 54 72 75 73 74 20 4e 65 74 77 6f 72 6b 31 17 30 15 06 03 55 04 0b 13 0e 56 65 72 69 53 69 67 6e 2c 20 49 6e 63 2e 31 33 30 31 06 03 55 04 0b 13 2a 56 65 72 69 53 69 67 6e 20 49 6e 74 65 72 6e 61 74 69 6f 6e 61 6c 20 53 65 72 76 65 72 20 43 41 20 2d 20 43 6c 61 73 73 20 33 31 49 30 47 06 03 55 04 0b 13 40 77 77 77 2e 76 65 72 69 73 69 67 6e 2e 63 6f 6d 2f 43 50 53 20 49 6e 63 6f 72 70 2e 62 79 20 52 65 66 2e 20 4c 49 41 42 49 4c 49 54 59 20 4c 54 44 2e 28 63 29 39 37 20 56 65 72 69 53 69 67 6e 30 1e 17 0d 30 36 30 36 32 33 30 30 30 30 30 30 5a 17 0d 30 39 30 39 30 38 32 33 35 39 35 39 5a 30 81 c6 31 0b 30 09 06 03 55 04 06 13 02 55 53 31 0d 30 0b 06 03 55 04 08 13 04 49 6f 77 61 31 11 30 0f 06 03 55 04 07 14 08 4a 6f 68 6e 73 74 6f 6e 31 2c 30 2a 06 03 55 04 0a 14 23 50 69 6f 6e 65 65 72 20 48 69 2d 42 72 65 64 20 49 6e 74 65 72 6e 61 74 69 6f 6e 61 6c 2c 20 49 6e 63 2e 31 14 30 12 06 03 55 04 0b 14 0b 54 65 63 68 20 43 65 6e 74 65 72 31 33 30 31 06 03 55 04 0b 14 2a 54 65 72 6d 73 20 6f 66 20 75 73 65 20 61 74 20 77 77 77 2e 76 65 72 69 73 69 67 6e 2e 63 6f 6d 2f 72 70 61 20 28 63 29 30 35 31 1c 30 1a 06 03 55 04 03 14 13 6f 64 79 73 73 65 79 2e 70 69 6f 6e 65 65 72 2e 63 6f 6d 30 81 9f 30 0d 06 09 2a 86 48 86 f7 0d 01 01 01 05 00 03 81 8d 00 30 81 89 02 81 81 00 dd 9f 92 14 eb 05 7b 51 de 93 99 05 26 97 41 00 89 73 07 62 2a a8 15 3b 99 dd 4b 36 77 31 b3 27 13 99 8a 49 03 53 9c 79 62 15 fd 05 2d 4d b8 30 f3 ce 16 33 a0 76 35 d1 46 93 62 5c 8b 45 84 8c 21 75 05 45 cb 39 e4 4f d0 6b 38 a0 18 96 b2 10 a9 0e e8 13 a1 87 db e2 b6 e5 ca b7 58 a5 20 e8 df 8f 04 72 b3 30 39 05 ee 1f c5 80 35 62 0b 2b 31 13 3a dd a5 40 1e ea 57 4d d8 3a c3 16 00 c9 02 03 01 00 01 a3 82 01 ac 30 82 01 a8 30 09 06 03 55 1d 13 04 02 30 00 30 0b 06 03 55 1d 0f 04 04 03 02 05 a0 30 44 06 03 55 1d 20 04 3d 30 3b 30 39 06 0b 60 86 48 01 86 f8 45 01 07 17 03 30 2a 30 28 06 08 2b 06 01 05 05 07 02 01 16 1c 68 74 74 70 73 3a 2f 2f 77 77 77 2e 76 65 72 69 73 69 67 6e 2e 63 6f 6d 2f 72 70 61 30 3c 06 03 55 1d 1f 04 35 30 33 30 31 a0 2f a0 2d 86 2b 68 74 74 70 3a 2f 2f 53 56 52 49 6e 74 6c 2d 63 72 6c 2e 76 65 72 69 73 69 67 6e 2e 63 6f 6d 2f 53 56 52 49 6e 74 6c 2e 63 72 6c 30 28 06 03 55 1d 25 04 21 30 1f 06 08 2b 06 01 05 05 07 03 01 06 08 2b 06 01 05 05 07 03 02 06 09 60 86 48 01 86 f8 42 04 01 30 71 06 08 2b 06 01 05 05 07 01 01 04 65 30 63 30 24 06 08 2b 06 01 05 05 07 30 01 86 18 68 74 74 70 3a 2f 2f 6f 63 73 70 2e 76 65 72 69 73 69 67 6e 2e 63 6f 6d 30 3b 06 08 2b 06 01 05 05 07 30 02 86 2f 68 74 74 70 3a 2f 2f 53 56 52 49 6e
*** stack smashing detected ***: wpa_supplicant terminated
======= Backtrace: =========
/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__fortify_fail+0x48)[0xb7d2dda8]
/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__fortify_fail+0x0)[0xb7d2dd60]
wpa_supplicant[0x80508ad]
[0x30612038]
======= Memory map: ========
08048000-080ad000 r-xp 00000000 08:02 696369     /sbin/wpa_supplicant
080ad000-080ae000 r--p 00064000 08:02 696369     /sbin/wpa_supplicant
080ae000-080af000 rw-p 00065000 08:02 696369     /sbin/wpa_supplicant
09ea1000-09ec2000 rw-p 09ea1000 00:00 0          [heap]
b7bfb000-b7bfc000 rw-p b7bfb000 00:00 0
b7bfc000-b7c10000 r-xp 00000000 08:02 32902      /lib/libz.so.1.2.3.3
b7c10000-b7c11000 r--p 00013000 08:02 32902      /lib/libz.so.1.2.3.3
b7c11000-b7c12000 rw-p 00014000 08:02 32902      /lib/libz.so.1.2.3.3
b7c12000-b7c13000 rw-p b7c12000 00:00 0
b7c13000-b7c15000 r-xp 00000000 08:02 50141      /lib/tls/i686/cmov/Aborted
neomatrixjr at MatrixLaptop:~$

From doncady at gmail.com  Fri May 22 19:16:47 2009
From: doncady at gmail.com (Don Cady)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 19:16:47 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Summer Picnic?
In-Reply-To: <56494183-41FB-4DE1-BBD3-BE2A7E845A72@kotlarek.com>
References: <4A153D2A0200002E00034338@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
	<bfffc7a70905221225y216c968fi5510c6a7a090ed34@mail.gmail.com>
	<56494183-41FB-4DE1-BBD3-BE2A7E845A72@kotlarek.com>
Message-ID: <bfffc7a70905221716y564cc00djebc3cae85a173b2@mail.gmail.com>

>> Since the low turnout for 'Movie Night'
>
>
> The incorrect address for 'Movie Night' was at least a contributing factor.
>
> ? ? ? ?Zach

Oh, no doubt. But the turnout for the picnic was a little low last
year too. Since we live in the north, all the things to do around here
really ramp up in the summer, and I just thought I'd suggest these to
try.

Don

From afan at afan.net  Sun May 24 09:51:48 2009
From: afan at afan.net (Afan Pasalic)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 09:51:48 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Audio recording on Ubuntu from cassette player or any
 other sound source?
Message-ID: <4A195F04.2030507@afan.net>

Hi,
I got several audio cassettes/tapes with some my old stuff recorder in 
70's. I want to transfer them to comp in mp3 format.

What application will do the best?

Thanks,
Afan



From jakllsch at kollasch.net  Sun May 24 11:23:47 2009
From: jakllsch at kollasch.net (Jonathan A. Kollasch)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 16:23:47 +0000
Subject: [Cialug] SMTP Graylisting & Iowa Telecom
In-Reply-To: <49C2799D.1000500@gmx.net>
References: <49C2799D.1000500@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20090524162347.GO14968@tazenda.kollasch.net>

On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 11:58:05AM -0500, Claus wrote:
> Does iowatelecom.net not handle foreign graylisting very well?
>
> A mail got sent via mg.iowatelecom.net [69.66.1.16] to me on Saturday  
> March 14 and I did not get the message until today.  We had a meeting  
> about the message on Monday and I was the only one in the dark.
>
> I use postfix with postgrey and the default delay of 5 minutes. I  
> checked the log for incoming connections from Iowa Telecom and I found  
> one only on March 14 and today.
>
> Do any of you experience the same issue with Iowa Telecom?

Yes. But for my MXen they never retry at all, and I've
not gotten confirmation that the sender even sees a bounce.

Sad.

	Jonathan Kollasch

From jakllsch at kollasch.net  Sun May 24 11:29:10 2009
From: jakllsch at kollasch.net (Jonathan A. Kollasch)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 16:29:10 +0000
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Alpha work stations
In-Reply-To: <4A05DB84.3000907@larch.dk>
References: <4A05DB84.3000907@larch.dk>
Message-ID: <20090524162910.GP14968@tazenda.kollasch.net>

On Sat, May 09, 2009 at 02:37:40PM -0500, Lars Althof wrote:
> Hi All,
> I have a couple of work stations that have sat in my basement for a few  
> years. Anybody interested?
>
> Digital Personal Workstation 500au. Needs a new SCSI hard drive
>
> Digital Alphastation 255, worked fine last time I booted it
>
> I have run Linux on both, but had some trouble getting X-windows to run  
> on the 500au.
>
> Let me know.
>

Have they found a new home yet?

	Jonathan Kollasch

From markhesseltine at gmail.com  Sun May 24 11:55:28 2009
From: markhesseltine at gmail.com (Mark Hesseltine)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 11:55:28 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Audio recording on Ubuntu from cassette player or any
	other sound source?
In-Reply-To: <4A195F04.2030507@afan.net>
References: <4A195F04.2030507@afan.net>
Message-ID: <35e03aae0905240955w1a6f032eu7d0d8eac34c77f84@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Afan Pasalic <afan at afan.net> wrote:
> Hi,
> I got several audio cassettes/tapes with some my old stuff recorder in
> 70's. I want to transfer them to comp in mp3 format.
>
> What application will do the best?
>
> Thanks,
> Afan

I'd suggest Audacity. You should be able to record from the microphone
input, as well as reduce background noise, adjust levels, etc. I used
Audacity with an old Fisher Price tape my wife recorded as a child to
archive and enhance the sound of her now-deceased grandfather from a
Christmas years ago.


-- 
Mark Hesseltine
mailto:markhesseltine at gmail.com

From tim_linux at wilson-home.com  Sun May 24 14:41:56 2009
From: tim_linux at wilson-home.com (Tim Wilson)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 14:41:56 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Audio recording on Ubuntu from cassette player or any
	other sound source?
In-Reply-To: <35e03aae0905240955w1a6f032eu7d0d8eac34c77f84@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A195F04.2030507@afan.net>
	<35e03aae0905240955w1a6f032eu7d0d8eac34c77f84@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5a9568c20905241241j2f3aec73h2775c633414c6893@mail.gmail.com>

I've seen this on Geeks.com before (currently out of stock):

http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=PLUSDECK2C&cm_mmc=geekmail-_-daily_html-_-04nov08_TS22W7HR-_-TS22W7HRproduct

Not sure how well it works or if it works in Ubuntu.

On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Mark Hesseltine
<markhesseltine at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Afan Pasalic <afan at afan.net> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I got several audio cassettes/tapes with some my old stuff recorder in
> > 70's. I want to transfer them to comp in mp3 format.
> >
> > What application will do the best?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Afan
>
> I'd suggest Audacity. You should be able to record from the microphone
> input, as well as reduce background noise, adjust levels, etc. I used
> Audacity with an old Fisher Price tape my wife recorded as a child to
> archive and enhance the sound of her now-deceased grandfather from a
> Christmas years ago.
>
>
> --
> Mark Hesseltine
> mailto:markhesseltine at gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>



-- 
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From lars at larch.dk  Sun May 24 15:16:44 2009
From: lars at larch.dk (Lars Althof)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 15:16:44 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Alpha work stations
In-Reply-To: <20090524162910.GP14968@tazenda.kollasch.net>
References: <4A05DB84.3000907@larch.dk>
	<20090524162910.GP14968@tazenda.kollasch.net>
Message-ID: <4A19AB2C.8050501@larch.dk>

Jonathan A. Kollasch wrote:
> On Sat, May 09, 2009 at 02:37:40PM -0500, Lars Althof wrote:
>   
>> Digital Personal Workstation 500au. Needs a new SCSI hard drive
>>
>> Digital Alphastation 255, worked fine last time I booted it
>>     
> Have they found a new home yet?
>
> 	Jonathan Kollasc
They are spoken for, even if they haven't actually moved yet.

I know of a BIG AlphaServer (AlphaServer 2100 4/233 with 15 hard drives, 
2040 DLT tape drive, SCSI, CD-R drive) that it looking for a new home, 
though.

/Lars Althof
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From barry at vonahsen.com  Sun May 24 15:36:50 2009
From: barry at vonahsen.com (Barry Von Ahsen)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 15:36:50 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Alpha work stations
In-Reply-To: <20090524162910.GP14968@tazenda.kollasch.net>
References: <4A05DB84.3000907@larch.dk>
	<20090524162910.GP14968@tazenda.kollasch.net>
Message-ID: <4A19AFE2.8020800@vonahsen.com>

I've got 2 compaq alpha ds10s, I think both dual proc 600, both 1g ram, 
only one power supply though, free for the taking


-barry

Jonathan A. Kollasch wrote:
> On Sat, May 09, 2009 at 02:37:40PM -0500, Lars Althof wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> I have a couple of work stations that have sat in my basement for a few  
>> years. Anybody interested?
>>
>> Digital Personal Workstation 500au. Needs a new SCSI hard drive
>>
>> Digital Alphastation 255, worked fine last time I booted it
>>
>> I have run Linux on both, but had some trouble getting X-windows to run  
>> on the 500au.
>>
>> Let me know.
>>
> 
> Have they found a new home yet?
> 
> 	Jonathan Kollasch
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug


From dave at dchamp.net  Mon May 25 18:41:34 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 18:41:34 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Cialug] Audio recording on Ubuntu from cassette player or any
 other sound source?
Message-ID: <alpine.LMD.2.00.0905251838550.3818@pancake.dchamp.net>

I have used gramofile a little for tranferring vinyl 
records to MP3.

http://www.opensourcepartners.nl/~costar/gramofile/

It's a bit clunky to use (console based), and you have to do some trial 
and error before getting it to work very well. The thing I've had the most 
trouble with is getting the mixer settings just right... could be 
partially because I was experimenting with a machine with an utterly 
craptastic Via audio chipset. I have another with the nVidia soundstorm 
chip, which I plan on trying next time I have the motivation to do so.

Also... you may end up having to use audacity to do some cleanup - and on 
some albums I've tried, there's no pause between some of the songs (Led 
Zeppelin Coda, for example), so the automatic track detection doesn't 
work.

-dc

From daniel.ramaley at drake.edu  Tue May 26 08:45:43 2009
From: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu (Daniel A. Ramaley)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 08:45:43 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Alpha work stations
In-Reply-To: <4A19AB2C.8050501@larch.dk>
References: <4A05DB84.3000907@larch.dk>
	<20090524162910.GP14968@tazenda.kollasch.net>
	<4A19AB2C.8050501@larch.dk>
Message-ID: <200905260845.43675.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>

On 2009-05-24 at 15:16:44, Lars Althof wrote:
>I know of a BIG AlphaServer (AlphaServer 2100 4/233 with 15 hard
> drives, 2040 DLT tape drive, SCSI, CD-R drive) that it looking for a
> new home, though.

That sounds fairly similar to the one that i recently gave away...

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dan Ramaley                            Dial Center 118, Drake University
Network Programmer/Analyst             2407 Carpenter Ave
+1 515 271-4540                        Des Moines IA 50311 USA

From dave at dchamp.net  Tue May 26 10:55:28 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 10:55:28 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Audio recording on Ubuntu from cassette player or any
 other sound source?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LMD.2.00.0905251838550.3818@pancake.dchamp.net>
References: <alpine.LMD.2.00.0905251838550.3818@pancake.dchamp.net>
Message-ID: <4A1C10F0.30507@dchamp.net>

Oh, one note on this: devices like tape decks, or CD players will output 
a "normal" output level, you can just use a RCA to 1/8" headphone jack 
adapter, and plug it right in to your PC's mic jack. If you're going to 
record from a turntable, you will probably need a pre-amp - you can 
either use an old stereo amp with Phono input (you can probably find one 
at a garage sale or thrift store, ebay, craigslist etc. cheap, since 
everyone is upgrading to surround sound) to pass the signal through, or 
I have a phono preamp I got from Radio Shack years ago that works for 
this. Or you can get one of the fancy new turntables with the USB jack 
on them... but that would be cheating.

-dc

David Champion wrote:
> I have used gramofile a little for tranferring vinyl 
> records to MP3.
>
> http://www.opensourcepartners.nl/~costar/gramofile/
>
> It's a bit clunky to use (console based), and you have to do some trial 
> and error before getting it to work very well. The thing I've had the most 
> trouble with is getting the mixer settings just right... could be 
> partially because I was experimenting with a machine with an utterly 
> craptastic Via audio chipset. I have another with the nVidia soundstorm 
> chip, which I plan on trying next time I have the motivation to do so.
>
> Also... you may end up having to use audacity to do some cleanup - and on 
> some albums I've tried, there's no pause between some of the songs (Led 
> Zeppelin Coda, for example), so the automatic track detection doesn't 
> work.
>
> -dc
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
>   


From bill.davis at gmail.com  Tue May 26 11:35:52 2009
From: bill.davis at gmail.com (Bill Davis)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:35:52 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Alpha work stations
In-Reply-To: <200905260845.43675.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
References: <4A05DB84.3000907@larch.dk>
	<20090524162910.GP14968@tazenda.kollasch.net>
	<4A19AB2C.8050501@larch.dk>
	<200905260845.43675.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
Message-ID: <e734c8cd0905260935y20e2043cm14fc70623ce3fa0f@mail.gmail.com>

That's because it is.   I have found that the unit is just too large,
physically, for me to deal with, so I posted to get rid of it on the
comp.os.vms newsgroup.  I was going to post here too, but got a hit from the
comp.os.vms post before I had the chance to do so!   I haven't heard back
from that person again, though, so if anyone here in the DSM area wants it,
they are welcome to come and get it.  First come, first served!

 - Bill Davis

On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Daniel A. Ramaley <daniel.ramaley at drake.edu
> wrote:

> On 2009-05-24 at 15:16:44, Lars Althof wrote:
> >I know of a BIG AlphaServer (AlphaServer 2100 4/233 with 15 hard
> > drives, 2040 DLT tape drive, SCSI, CD-R drive) that it looking for a
> > new home, though.
>
> That sounds fairly similar to the one that i recently gave away...
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Dan Ramaley                            Dial Center 118, Drake University
> Network Programmer/Analyst             2407 Carpenter Ave
> +1 515 271-4540                        Des Moines IA 50311 USA
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
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From timchampion at gmail.com  Tue May 26 11:45:25 2009
From: timchampion at gmail.com (Tim Champion)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:45:25 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Alpha work stations
In-Reply-To: <e734c8cd0905260935y20e2043cm14fc70623ce3fa0f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A05DB84.3000907@larch.dk>
	<20090524162910.GP14968@tazenda.kollasch.net>
	<4A19AB2C.8050501@larch.dk>
	<200905260845.43675.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
	<e734c8cd0905260935y20e2043cm14fc70623ce3fa0f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7aa1cdb20905260945u4e1c9a40i7e91e1d2976afda5@mail.gmail.com>

>
> On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Daniel A. Ramaley <
> daniel.ramaley at drake.edu> wrote:
>
>> On 2009-05-24 at 15:16:44, Lars Althof wrote:
>> >I know of a BIG AlphaServer (AlphaServer 2100 4/233 with 15 hard
>> > drives, 2040 DLT tape drive, SCSI, CD-R drive) that it looking for a
>> > new home, though.
>>
>> That sounds fairly similar to the one that i recently gave away...
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Dan Ramaley                            Dial Center 118, Drake University
>> Network Programmer/Analyst             2407 Carpenter Ave
>> +1 515 271-4540                        Des Moines IA 50311 USA
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Bill Davis <bill.davis at gmail.com>wrote:
> That's because it is.   I have found that the unit is just too large,
> physically, for me to deal with, so I posted to get rid of it on the
> comp.os.vms newsgroup.  I was going to post here too, but got a hit from the
> comp.os.vms post before I had the chance to do so!   I haven't heard back
> from that person again, though, so if anyone here in the DSM area wants it,
> they are welcome to come and get it.  First come, first served!
>
>  - Bill Davis
>

Ya, the one I got from Dan is sitting in my basement. Still waiting on the
OS media I ordered online. *twiddles thumbs*

Anybody got the OS CDs for OpenVMS? I have my hobbyist license, and paid for
my CDs, but they just haven't sent them to me yet.

Tim Champion
timchampion at gmail.com
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From morej at alliancetechnologies.net  Tue May 26 11:46:51 2009
From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:46:51 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Alpha work stations
In-Reply-To: <7aa1cdb20905260945u4e1c9a40i7e91e1d2976afda5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A05DB84.3000907@larch.dk>
	<20090524162910.GP14968@tazenda.kollasch.net>
	<4A19AB2C.8050501@larch.dk>
	<200905260845.43675.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
	<e734c8cd0905260935y20e2043cm14fc70623ce3fa0f@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa1cdb20905260945u4e1c9a40i7e91e1d2976afda5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A1BD6AB0200002E0003447D@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>

You need a license to be a hobbyist?

Isn't that contrary to the whole point?  :)


 

-Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC 
 morej at alliancetechnologies.net 
 515-245-7701



>>> Tim Champion <timchampion at gmail.com> 5/26/2009 11:45 AM >>> 

Ya, the one I got from Dan is sitting in my basement. Still waiting on
the
OS media I ordered online. *twiddles thumbs*

Anybody got the OS CDs for OpenVMS? I have my hobbyist license, and
paid for
my CDs, but they just haven't sent them to me yet.

Tim Champion
timchampion at gmail.com


From albus at iowaconnect.com  Tue May 26 16:34:06 2009
From: albus at iowaconnect.com (albus)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:34:06 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] vmware ESXi 4 64 bit
Message-ID: <2E2E22E5001345B8ADD2CAB277BEF8E2@RayJ>

VMWARE NOOB ?'s

Okay so I've built a new system with an Intel Pentium D Dual Core 3.6GHZ 4MB/800 960 SL9AP 64 bit
Intel D945GTP Mobo.
4 Gb RAM
Netgear FX310 NIC

I've downloaded VMWare ESXi 4 for 64 bit.

System boots the CDROM but as soon as it gets through the initial steps it comes to
Failed to load TPM
Failed to load LVMDRIVER

And the ride is over at that point.

I tried changing the NIC to an Intel Pro 100 with the same results.
Changed NIC from suggestion in VMWare Knowledge Base.

Any ideas where to look or whats next.
Google isn't being real friendly with the search for it as yet.


From dave at dchamp.net  Tue May 26 16:42:38 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:42:38 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] vmware ESXi 4 64 bit
In-Reply-To: <2E2E22E5001345B8ADD2CAB277BEF8E2@RayJ>
References: <2E2E22E5001345B8ADD2CAB277BEF8E2@RayJ>
Message-ID: <4A1C624E.5040606@dchamp.net>

These people may be able to help you out:

http://groups.google.com/group/thevug?hl=en

Some of those people are these people too.

-dc

albus wrote:
> VMWARE NOOB ?'s
>
> Okay so I've built a new system with an Intel Pentium D Dual Core 3.6GHZ 4MB/800 960 SL9AP 64 bit
> Intel D945GTP Mobo.
> 4 Gb RAM
> Netgear FX310 NIC
>
> I've downloaded VMWare ESXi 4 for 64 bit.
>
> System boots the CDROM but as soon as it gets through the initial steps it comes to
> Failed to load TPM
> Failed to load LVMDRIVER
>
> And the ride is over at that point.
>
> I tried changing the NIC to an Intel Pro 100 with the same results.
> Changed NIC from suggestion in VMWare Knowledge Base.
>
> Any ideas where to look or whats next.
> Google isn't being real friendly with the search for it as yet.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
>   


From nfox at foxmediasystems.com  Tue May 26 20:47:58 2009
From: nfox at foxmediasystems.com (Nick Fox)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 20:47:58 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] vmware ESXi 4 64 bit
In-Reply-To: <4A1C624E.5040606@dchamp.net>
References: <2E2E22E5001345B8ADD2CAB277BEF8E2@RayJ>
	<4A1C624E.5040606@dchamp.net>
Message-ID: <4A1C9BCE.4010207@foxmediasystems.com>

Confirm all of your hardware is listed here:

http://www.vm-help.com/esx40i/Hardware_support.php

-Nick

David Champion wrote:
> These people may be able to help you out:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/thevug?hl=en
>
> Some of those people are these people too.
>
> -dc
>
> albus wrote:
>   
>> VMWARE NOOB ?'s
>>
>> Okay so I've built a new system with an Intel Pentium D Dual Core 3.6GHZ 4MB/800 960 SL9AP 64 bit
>> Intel D945GTP Mobo.
>> 4 Gb RAM
>> Netgear FX310 NIC
>>
>> I've downloaded VMWare ESXi 4 for 64 bit.
>>
>> System boots the CDROM but as soon as it gets through the initial steps it comes to
>> Failed to load TPM
>> Failed to load LVMDRIVER
>>
>> And the ride is over at that point.
>>
>> I tried changing the NIC to an Intel Pro 100 with the same results.
>> Changed NIC from suggestion in VMWare Knowledge Base.
>>
>> Any ideas where to look or whats next.
>> Google isn't being real friendly with the search for it as yet.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cialug mailing list
>> Cialug at cialug.org
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>
>>   
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>   


-- 
Nick Fox

Fox Media Systems, LLC
Owner / President
1338 57th St.
Des Moines, IA 50311
www.foxmediasystems.com


From eric at eric.nu  Wed May 27 08:40:13 2009
From: eric at eric.nu (Eric Junker)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 08:40:13 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] serverfault.com - question and answer site for sysadmin
	and IT
Message-ID: <4A1D42BD.30402@eric.nu>

The same people that run the software development question and answer 
site stackoverflow.com have launched a sister site for system 
administrators and IT professionals at http://serverault.com

Check it out as you might find some interesting questions or be able to 
get answers to your own questions.

Eric

From jbailey at co.marshall.ia.us  Wed May 27 08:47:30 2009
From: jbailey at co.marshall.ia.us (Jonathan C. Bailey)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 08:47:30 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Cialug] serverfault.com - question and answer site for
 sysadmin and IT
In-Reply-To: <4A1D42BD.30402@eric.nu>
Message-ID: <22579555.400571243432050307.JavaMail.root@zimbra>

Looks like your link is bad...

http://serverfault.com/


-Jon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Junker" <eric at eric.nu>
To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" <cialug at cialug.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:40:13 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [Cialug] serverfault.com - question and answer site for sysadmin and IT

The same people that run the software development question and answer 
site stackoverflow.com have launched a sister site for system 
administrators and IT professionals at http://serverault.com

Check it out as you might find some interesting questions or be able to 
get answers to your own questions.

Eric
_______________________________________________
Cialug mailing list
Cialug at cialug.org
http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug

From newz at bearfruit.org  Wed May 27 09:08:05 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 09:08:05 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] vmware ESXi 4 64 bit
In-Reply-To: <2E2E22E5001345B8ADD2CAB277BEF8E2@RayJ>
References: <2E2E22E5001345B8ADD2CAB277BEF8E2@RayJ>
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080905270708v6153d5c6y8c7bc41e7c163277@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 4:34 PM, albus <albus at iowaconnect.com> wrote:
> VMWARE NOOB ?'s
>
> Okay so I've built a new system with an Intel Pentium D Dual Core 3.6GHZ 4MB/800 960 SL9AP 64 bit

Hi, I could be wrong, but when looking for a new cpu recently I was
lead to believe that the Pentium D Dual Core did not include
virtualization support in the cpu. If this is true you will likely get
a sub-par experience.

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter

From albus at iowaconnect.com  Wed May 27 09:50:39 2009
From: albus at iowaconnect.com (albus)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 09:50:39 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] vmware ESXi 4 64 bit
References: <2E2E22E5001345B8ADD2CAB277BEF8E2@RayJ>
	<f3c0b4080905270708v6153d5c6y8c7bc41e7c163277@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A89C290B6D6945C2B1D9A41809C5C0CD@RayJ>

Unless I don't understand it correctly, which is totally possible.

The Intel site says the 960 does. http://www.intel.com/products/processor_number/chart/pentium_d.htm
You do need to update the bios. Which I've done.
There is an option to turn it on in the bios, which it is.

I just keep getting failed to load tpm and lvmdriver.

The only other thing with this mobo is that the integrated NIC is out. I do have the Netgear FX310
in a PCI slot. I've got the integrated NIC turned off in bios. So I wouldn't think that would have any effect.

Oh well, I'll keep banging my head against the wall till I finger it out.

Thanks for the input.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Matthew Nuzum" <newz at bearfruit.org>
To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" <cialug at cialug.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Cialug] vmware ESXi 4 64 bit


> On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 4:34 PM, albus <albus at iowaconnect.com> wrote:
>> VMWARE NOOB ?'s
>>
>> Okay so I've built a new system with an Intel Pentium D Dual Core 3.6GHZ 4MB/800 960 SL9AP 64 bit
> 
> Hi, I could be wrong, but when looking for a new cpu recently I was
> lead to believe that the Pentium D Dual Core did not include
> virtualization support in the cpu. If this is true you will likely get
> a sub-par experience.
> 
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>


From gray at cs.uni.edu  Wed May 27 09:54:54 2009
From: gray at cs.uni.edu (Paul Gray)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 09:54:54 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] vmware ESXi 4 64 bit
In-Reply-To: <A89C290B6D6945C2B1D9A41809C5C0CD@RayJ>
References: <2E2E22E5001345B8ADD2CAB277BEF8E2@RayJ>	<f3c0b4080905270708v6153d5c6y8c7bc41e7c163277@mail.gmail.com>
	<A89C290B6D6945C2B1D9A41809C5C0CD@RayJ>
Message-ID: <4A1D543E.6010304@cs.uni.edu>

albus wrote:
> Unless I don't understand it correctly, which is totally possible.
> 
> The Intel site says the 960 does. http://www.intel.com/products/processor_number/chart/pentium_d.htm
> You do need to update the bios. Which I've done.
> There is an option to turn it on in the bios, which it is.
> 

Have you tried booting with "noacpi noapic nolapic" or similar options to the
kernel?

Just because the chip supports virtualization doesn't mean that your bios is
ESXi friendly.  Sometimes you need to bypass motherboard issues in order to get
ESXi installed on hardware not listed in their directly-supported lists.

-- 
Paul Gray                                         -o)
314 ITT, Dept. of Computer Science                /\\
University of Northern Iowa                      _\_V
Message void if penguin violated ...  Don't mess with the penguin
No one says, "Hey, I can't read that ASCII attachment ya sent me."

From jrnosee at gmail.com  Wed May 27 10:01:29 2009
From: jrnosee at gmail.com (jrnosee at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:01:29 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Slightly OT: USB CD
Message-ID: <a202c1b0905270801s18a699f4m330a49f7bd923cdc@mail.gmail.com>

Would anyone on the list happen to have a usb cd drive listed
here<http://forum.tabletpcreview.com/showpost.php?p=28340&postcount=3>?
I got my new Toshiba m200 tablet in and it doesn't work with just any USB cd
drive. :(

--Justin
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From albus at iowaconnect.com  Wed May 27 10:30:55 2009
From: albus at iowaconnect.com (albus)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:30:55 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] vmware ESXi 4 64 bit
References: <2E2E22E5001345B8ADD2CAB277BEF8E2@RayJ>	<f3c0b4080905270708v6153d5c6y8c7bc41e7c163277@mail.gmail.com><A89C290B6D6945C2B1D9A41809C5C0CD@RayJ>
	<4A1D543E.6010304@cs.uni.edu>
Message-ID: <455E5FC07ADF49E3901958C0D53EA3C2@RayJ>

No I haven't. I'll give that a try.

Thanks.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Gray" <gray at cs.uni.edu>
To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" <cialug at cialug.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Cialug] vmware ESXi 4 64 bit


> albus wrote:
>> Unless I don't understand it correctly, which is totally possible.
>> 
>> The Intel site says the 960 does. http://www.intel.com/products/processor_number/chart/pentium_d.htm
>> You do need to update the bios. Which I've done.
>> There is an option to turn it on in the bios, which it is.
>> 
> 
> Have you tried booting with "noacpi noapic nolapic" or similar options to the
> kernel?
> 
> Just because the chip supports virtualization doesn't mean that your bios is
> ESXi friendly.  Sometimes you need to bypass motherboard issues in order to get
> ESXi installed on hardware not listed in their directly-supported lists.
> 
> -- 
> Paul Gray                                         -o)
> 314 ITT, Dept. of Computer Science                /\\
> University of Northern Iowa                      _\_V
> Message void if penguin violated ...  Don't mess with the penguin
> No one says, "Hey, I can't read that ASCII attachment ya sent me."
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From albus at iowaconnect.com  Wed May 27 10:53:35 2009
From: albus at iowaconnect.com (albus)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:53:35 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] vmware ESXi 4 64 bit
References: <2E2E22E5001345B8ADD2CAB277BEF8E2@RayJ>	<f3c0b4080905270708v6153d5c6y8c7bc41e7c163277@mail.gmail.com><A89C290B6D6945C2B1D9A41809C5C0CD@RayJ>
	<4A1D543E.6010304@cs.uni.edu>
Message-ID: <4B6E344DC2F24412A39333AF1518B9C7@RayJ>

>Have you tried booting with "noacpi noapic nolapic" or similar options to the
>kernel?


That locked it up and it reboot.
I may just have to install OpenSuse 11.1 first, then install Xen
and run it that way if all else fails. Gets me somewhat the same
results, just have to rely on the base OS to run correctly. Bummer ;-(


From newz at bearfruit.org  Wed May 27 11:11:17 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:11:17 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Xen vs Vmware vs ? was: vmware ESXi 4 64 bit
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080905270911l752dd0d3s358587ed5e99bb47@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:53 AM, albus <albus at iowaconnect.com> wrote:
>>Have you tried booting with "noacpi noapic nolapic" or similar options to the
>>kernel?
>
>
> That locked it up and it reboot.
> I may just have to install OpenSuse 11.1 first, then install Xen
> and run it that way if all else fails. Gets me somewhat the same
> results, just have to rely on the base OS to run correctly. Bummer ;-(
>

My replacement server came in the mail last week and I'm about to
install it. I was going to use Ubuntu Server with KVM. I'm curious
what factors you (plural) used to choose a platform.


-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter

From albus at iowaconnect.com  Wed May 27 11:31:52 2009
From: albus at iowaconnect.com (albus)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:31:52 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Xen vs Vmware vs ? was: vmware ESXi 4 64 bit
References: <f3c0b4080905270911l752dd0d3s358587ed5e99bb47@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <308CAEBA471F409FBCC97EC4FF932316@RayJ>

Factor at the time was I had the mobo but missing the CPU and RAM.

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Tue May 26 16:21:44 2009
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:21:44 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.0.1243441918.2040.cialug@cialug.org>

I thought I had the ground work done to the T. But apparently
not. From everything I'm reading it appears to be the NIC.
I may just get one that's on the HCL and try it again.

At the moment this system is just a learning tool. If and or when
I get it going I may move up to some real world use of the knowledge.
Mostly for myself probably. But at least I've got some experience with it.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Matthew Nuzum" <newz at bearfruit.org>
To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" <cialug at cialug.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:11 AM
Subject: [Cialug] Xen vs Vmware vs ? was: vmware ESXi 4 64 bit


> On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:53 AM, albus <albus at iowaconnect.com> wrote:
>>>Have you tried booting with "noacpi noapic nolapic" or similar options to the
>>>kernel?
>>
>>
>> That locked it up and it reboot.
>> I may just have to install OpenSuse 11.1 first, then install Xen
>> and run it that way if all else fails. Gets me somewhat the same
>> results, just have to rely on the base OS to run correctly. Bummer ;-(
>>
> 
> My replacement server came in the mail last week and I'm about to
> install it. I was going to use Ubuntu Server with KVM. I'm curious
> what factors you (plural) used to choose a platform.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Matthew Nuzum
> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> 
>


From newz at bearfruit.org  Wed May 27 11:54:52 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:54:52 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Xen vs Vmware vs ? was: vmware ESXi 4 64 bit
In-Reply-To: <308CAEBA471F409FBCC97EC4FF932316@RayJ>
References: <f3c0b4080905270911l752dd0d3s358587ed5e99bb47@mail.gmail.com>
	<308CAEBA471F409FBCC97EC4FF932316@RayJ>
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080905270954y450f2a3age6788470753397ac@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:31 AM, albus <albus at iowaconnect.com> wrote:
> Factor at the time was I had the mobo but missing the CPU and RAM.
> From all indications it should work.
>
> I thought I had the ground work done to the T. But apparently
> not. From everything I'm reading it appears to be the NIC.
> I may just get one that's on the HCL and try it again.
>
> At the moment this system is just a learning tool. If and or when
> I get it going I may move up to some real world use of the knowledge.
> Mostly for myself probably. But at least I've got some experience with it.
>
>
>> On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:53 AM, albus <albus at iowaconnect.com> wrote:
>>
>> My replacement server came in the mail last week and I'm about to
>> install it. I was going to use Ubuntu Server with KVM. I'm curious
>> what factors you (plural) used to choose a platform.
>>

I guess I was wondering if anyone cared to tell why they preferred one
system vs another. KVM for me simply because it's the default for
Ubuntu. That's not necessarily the best reason though. Remote
management is something I should consider,

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter

From tdwalton at gmail.com  Wed May 27 12:12:00 2009
From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 12:12:00 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] serverfault.com - question and answer site for
	sysadmin and IT
In-Reply-To: <4A1D42BD.30402@eric.nu>
References: <4A1D42BD.30402@eric.nu>
Message-ID: <e1d8c6520905271012w598e20c1h7117d9e62832fca7@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Eric Junker <eric at eric.nu> wrote:
> The same people that run the software development question and answer
> site stackoverflow.com have launched a sister site for system
> administrators and IT professionals at http://serverault.com

Are you associated with these people?  Have you found the site helpful?

--
Todd

From tdwalton at gmail.com  Wed May 27 12:15:17 2009
From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 12:15:17 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] vmware ESXi 4 64 bit
In-Reply-To: <455E5FC07ADF49E3901958C0D53EA3C2@RayJ>
References: <2E2E22E5001345B8ADD2CAB277BEF8E2@RayJ>
	<f3c0b4080905270708v6153d5c6y8c7bc41e7c163277@mail.gmail.com>
	<A89C290B6D6945C2B1D9A41809C5C0CD@RayJ> <4A1D543E.6010304@cs.uni.edu>
	<455E5FC07ADF49E3901958C0D53EA3C2@RayJ>
Message-ID: <e1d8c6520905271015g3ffaedc6xe657dd340d4954f5@mail.gmail.com>

Haven't what?

On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:30 AM, albus <albus at iowaconnect.com> wrote:
> No I haven't. I'll give that a try.
>
> Thanks.

From eric at eric.nu  Wed May 27 12:22:30 2009
From: eric at eric.nu (Eric Junker)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 12:22:30 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] serverfault.com - question and answer site
 for	sysadmin and IT
In-Reply-To: <e1d8c6520905271012w598e20c1h7117d9e62832fca7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A1D42BD.30402@eric.nu>
	<e1d8c6520905271012w598e20c1h7117d9e62832fca7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A1D76D6.6090507@eric.nu>

Todd Walton wrote:
> On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Eric Junker <eric at eric.nu> wrote:
>> The same people that run the software development question and answer
>> site stackoverflow.com have launched a sister site for system
>> administrators and IT professionals at http://serverault.com
> 
> Are you associated with these people?  Have you found the site helpful?

I am not associated with the site. I have received good answers to some 
of my programming questions on stackoverflow.com. They had success with 
stackoverflow.com so they decided to launch a similar site for IT 
related questions. The people behind the site are Joel Spolsky 
(http://joelonsoftware.com) and Jeff Atwood (http://codinghorror.com) 
both of which have semi-popular blogs. If you really want to know more 
about it, Joel gave a presentation at Google http://bit.ly/mwEX4

Eric

From albus at iowaconnect.com  Wed May 27 12:33:16 2009
From: albus at iowaconnect.com (albus)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 12:33:16 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Xen vs Vmware vs ? was: vmware ESXi 4 64 bit
References: <f3c0b4080905270911l752dd0d3s358587ed5e99bb47@mail.gmail.com><308CAEBA471F409FBCC97EC4FF932316@RayJ>
	<f3c0b4080905270954y450f2a3age6788470753397ac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F0B217457E7D4EE2A74637FA074A4246@RayJ>

Well on that note I wanted something that was not OS dependent.
Something totally self supporting.

I looked at Xen but from all that I've read you've got to have an underlying OS to build it on first.

The Dave W. turned me on to VMWare ESXi. So I've started playing with it. I really want to go
with something that isn't base OS dependent period. That way I think it's more robust.

My 2 cents.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Matthew Nuzum" <newz at bearfruit.org>
To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" <cialug at cialug.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Cialug] Xen vs Vmware vs ? was: vmware ESXi 4 64 bit


> On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:31 AM, albus <albus at iowaconnect.com> wrote:
>> Factor at the time was I had the mobo but missing the CPU and RAM.
>> From all indications it should work.
>>
>> I thought I had the ground work done to the T. But apparently
>> not. From everything I'm reading it appears to be the NIC.
>> I may just get one that's on the HCL and try it again.
>>
>> At the moment this system is just a learning tool. If and or when
>> I get it going I may move up to some real world use of the knowledge.
>> Mostly for myself probably. But at least I've got some experience with it.
>>
>>
>>> On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:53 AM, albus <albus at iowaconnect.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> My replacement server came in the mail last week and I'm about to
>>> install it. I was going to use Ubuntu Server with KVM. I'm curious
>>> what factors you (plural) used to choose a platform.
>>>
> 
> I guess I was wondering if anyone cared to tell why they preferred one
> system vs another. KVM for me simply because it's the default for
> Ubuntu. That's not necessarily the best reason though. Remote
> management is something I should consider,
> 
> -- 
> Matthew Nuzum
> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> 
>


From tdwalton at gmail.com  Wed May 27 12:33:40 2009
From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 12:33:40 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Xen vs Vmware vs ? was: vmware ESXi 4 64 bit
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4080905270954y450f2a3age6788470753397ac@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f3c0b4080905270911l752dd0d3s358587ed5e99bb47@mail.gmail.com>
	<308CAEBA471F409FBCC97EC4FF932316@RayJ>
	<f3c0b4080905270954y450f2a3age6788470753397ac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e1d8c6520905271033j49de7695le1fd54860e876c52@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:
> I guess I was wondering if anyone cared to tell why they preferred one
> system vs another. KVM for me simply because it's the default for
> Ubuntu. That's not necessarily the best reason though. Remote
> management is something I should consider,

I'm running KVM on Fedora 10.  I'm having some teething problems, but
the plan right now is to stick with it.

I chose KVM essentially as a bet that KVM has a strong future on
Linux.  It's supported by Red Hat, which has a pretty good track
record on supporting apps, and it integrates well with the operating
system.  It loads via a kernel module, for example, instead of Xen's
method of using special kernel sources.  It uses qemu in some way that
I don't understand.

I'm not sure that it's ready for production use just yet, but I expect
it soon will be and I have the time to wait while I'm learning the
ropes.  I don't have need for any fancy features yet.  No remote
management or failover or anything.

Xen would be nice.  I'm a little afraid of Microsoft doing something
nasty to it.  Citrix and Microsoft have a pretty strong relationship.
And Xen has the whole special kernel problem.

VMWare has quite a reputation, and you'd get paid support if you need
it.  I tried installing VMWare and got frustrated trying to figure it
out, and the instructions weren't helpful, and Googling wasn't
helpful.  But that's closed source for you.

VirtualBox installs and runs quite well.

--
Todd

From albus at iowaconnect.com  Wed May 27 12:34:15 2009
From: albus at iowaconnect.com (albus)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 12:34:15 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] vmware ESXi 4 64 bit
References: <2E2E22E5001345B8ADD2CAB277BEF8E2@RayJ><f3c0b4080905270708v6153d5c6y8c7bc41e7c163277@mail.gmail.com><A89C290B6D6945C2B1D9A41809C5C0CD@RayJ>
	<4A1D543E.6010304@cs.uni.edu><455E5FC07ADF49E3901958C0D53EA3C2@RayJ>
	<e1d8c6520905271015g3ffaedc6xe657dd340d4954f5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4879A31791DC4405A51B6C8BE1772B24@RayJ>

Tried noapic and etc with VMWare ESXi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Todd Walton" <tdwalton at gmail.com>
To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" <cialug at cialug.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Cialug] vmware ESXi 4 64 bit


> Haven't what?
> 
> On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:30 AM, albus <albus at iowaconnect.com> wrote:
>> No I haven't. I'll give that a try.
>>
>> Thanks.
> _______________________________________________
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From gray at cs.uni.edu  Wed May 27 12:40:38 2009
From: gray at cs.uni.edu (Paul Gray)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 12:40:38 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Proxmox .. Was: Xen vs. VMWare vs?
In-Reply-To: <e1d8c6520905271033j49de7695le1fd54860e876c52@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f3c0b4080905270911l752dd0d3s358587ed5e99bb47@mail.gmail.com>	<308CAEBA471F409FBCC97EC4FF932316@RayJ>	<f3c0b4080905270954y450f2a3age6788470753397ac@mail.gmail.com>
	<e1d8c6520905271033j49de7695le1fd54860e876c52@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A1D7B16.2050809@cs.uni.edu>

Todd Walton wrote:
> On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:
>> I guess I was wondering if anyone cared to tell why they preferred one
>> system vs another. KVM for me simply because it's the default for
>> Ubuntu. That's not necessarily the best reason though. Remote
>> management is something I should consider,
> 
> I'm running KVM on Fedora 10.  I'm having some teething problems, but
> the plan right now is to stick with it.
> 
> I chose KVM essentially as a bet that KVM has a strong future on
> Linux.  It's supported by Red Hat, which has a pretty good track
> record on supporting apps, and it integrates well with the operating
> system.  It loads via a kernel module, for example, instead of Xen's
> method of using special kernel sources.  It uses qemu in some way that
> I don't understand.

You might want to try Proxmox VE.  It's Debian-based (which is why I'm partial
to it), and supports a bigger breadth of hardware "naturally."  It's the same
"install from CD, point your web browser to it to manage" paradigm as ESXi.

I haven't implemented the vmotion equivalent under proxmox yet, but apparently
it's well supported.

http://www.proxmox.com/

-- 
Paul Gray                                         -o)
314 ITT, Dept. of Computer Science                /\\
University of Northern Iowa                      _\_V
Message void if penguin violated ...  Don't mess with the penguin
No one says, "Hey, I can't read that ASCII attachment ya sent me."

From morej at alliancetechnologies.net  Wed May 27 13:52:19 2009
From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 13:52:19 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Summer Picnic?
Message-ID: <4A1D45930200002E0003455F@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>

1) Ranges between 10 and 30... like the meetings.

2) The furthest I think we've gone has been to near Saylorville Lake,
but I think that closer to the city is better for most.  Maybe the
Raccoon River places would be a good option?

3) It's usually bring-your-own.


To address Don's point, I agree with the idealism behind "everyone vote
on open dates", but my experience has been that whenever a group tries,
that no date really works, so we just pick one randomly anyway.  For me
personally, I'd prefer that whoever runs this thing have all the power
and decide what, when and where it will be.  Then, if we can come, we
will.



-Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC 
 morej at alliancetechnologies.net 
 515-245-7701

>>> James Shoemaker <james at dhlake.com> 05/21/09 8:45 PM >>>
Josh More wrote:
> I note that the LUG schedule reminds me that we generally have a LUG
> picnic sometime in July/August.  Anyone out there willing to set it
up?

   1: What's the normal attendance number for a picnic?
   2: How far are people willing to drive?
   3: How are the food/beverages normally funded?

James
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From dave at dchamp.net  Thu May 28 09:21:58 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 09:21:58 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Summer Picnic?
In-Reply-To: <4A1D45930200002E0003455F@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
References: <4A1D45930200002E0003455F@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <4A1E9E06.7070500@dchamp.net>

I agree w/ Josh, someone just needs to pick a reasonable date and 
schedule it. Just make sure to avoid any big holidays, or anything like 
a Battlestar Galactica maraton on the SciFi (or ScyFy???) channel.

We've done a number of these in the past, we've never had a huge 
turnout, but those that do show up have had a fun time.

Have to include this for you newbies around here :)

http://bad.debian.net/shotgun_rules.txt

-dc

Josh More wrote:
> 1) Ranges between 10 and 30... like the meetings.
>
> 2) The furthest I think we've gone has been to near Saylorville Lake,
> but I think that closer to the city is better for most.  Maybe the
> Raccoon River places would be a good option?
>
> 3) It's usually bring-your-own.
>
>
> To address Don's point, I agree with the idealism behind "everyone vote
> on open dates", but my experience has been that whenever a group tries,
> that no date really works, so we just pick one randomly anyway.  For me
> personally, I'd prefer that whoever runs this thing have all the power
> and decide what, when and where it will be.  Then, if we can come, we
> will.
>
>
>
> -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC 
>  morej at alliancetechnologies.net 
>  515-245-7701
>
>   
>>>> James Shoemaker <james at dhlake.com> 05/21/09 8:45 PM >>>
>>>>         
> Josh More wrote:
>   
>> I note that the LUG schedule reminds me that we generally have a LUG
>> picnic sometime in July/August.  Anyone out there willing to set it
>>     
> up?
>
>    1: What's the normal attendance number for a picnic?
>    2: How far are people willing to drive?
>    3: How are the food/beverages normally funded?
>
> James
>   


From daniel.ramaley at drake.edu  Thu May 28 12:03:51 2009
From: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu (Daniel A. Ramaley)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 12:03:51 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Personal project management wiki
Message-ID: <200905281203.51279.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>

I've been thinking of setting up a small wiki to track my projects. I 
know there are many packages of varying complexity that would work. I 
want something that is simple to use and maintain. It doesn't need to 
support a large number of users either--i'll probably secure it so no 
one but myself can edit it anyway.

Any recommendations for a good one? Bonus points if it is included in 
Debian's repository, though not strictly necessary if it is simple to 
install.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dan Ramaley                            Dial Center 118, Drake University
Network Programmer/Analyst             2407 Carpenter Ave
+1 515 271-4540                        Des Moines IA 50311 USA

From morej at alliancetechnologies.net  Thu May 28 12:12:42 2009
From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 12:12:42 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Personal project management wiki
In-Reply-To: <200905281203.51279.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
References: <200905281203.51279.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
Message-ID: <4A1E7FBA0200002E000345EC@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>

Use Mediawiki.

Yes, it's big, it's hard to set up and it can be overkill.  However.

* My personal project needs outgrew DokuWiki
* My personal project needs outgrew TWiki
* My personal project needs outgrew Ewiki
* Trac is a royal PITA.

Just use Mediawiki.  You'll be much happier.



 

-Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC 
 morej at alliancetechnologies.net 
 515-245-7701



>>> "Daniel A. Ramaley" <daniel.ramaley at drake.edu> 5/28/2009 12:03 PM
>>> 
I've been thinking of setting up a small wiki to track my projects. I 
know there are many packages of varying complexity that would work. I 
want something that is simple to use and maintain. It doesn't need to 
support a large number of users either--i'll probably secure it so no 
one but myself can edit it anyway.

Any recommendations for a good one? Bonus points if it is included in 
Debian's repository, though not strictly necessary if it is simple to 
install.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dan Ramaley                            Dial Center 118, Drake
University
Network Programmer/Analyst             2407 Carpenter Ave
+1 515 271-4540                        Des Moines IA 50311 USA
_______________________________________________
Cialug mailing list
Cialug at cialug.org
http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug


From nathanism at gmail.com  Thu May 28 12:50:10 2009
From: nathanism at gmail.com (Nathan Stien)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 12:50:10 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Personal project management wiki
In-Reply-To: <200905281203.51279.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
References: <200905281203.51279.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
Message-ID: <8b490d600905281050j286a5a7fsfed91b05b6cb4ce3@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Daniel A. Ramaley <
daniel.ramaley at drake.edu> wrote:

> I've been thinking of setting up a small wiki to track my projects. I
> know there are many packages of varying complexity that would work. I
> want something that is simple to use and maintain. It doesn't need to
> support a large number of users either--i'll probably secure it so no
> one but myself can edit it anyway.
>

My suggestion could not be further from Josh's. ;-)  TiddlyWiki might be a
good fit for your needs.  It's just a big html file with some javascript in
it.  It is entirely a local thing, but it has lots of nice tagging and
organization features.  It also has an extensive set of plugins available,
including some GTD-related ones if you're into that sort of thing.  I hear
now it has some kind of optional server-side support as well, but I have not
used that myself.

http://www.tiddlywiki.com/

No setup at all for using it locally.  Just download the html file and save
it somewhere.  Then access it when you want to edit it, and it will write
itself back out to the same html file.  Works great with Firefox.

- Nathan
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From newz at bearfruit.org  Thu May 28 13:19:24 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 13:19:24 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Personal project management wiki
In-Reply-To: <200905281203.51279.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
References: <200905281203.51279.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080905281119k4439781u4bf4449192a249b7@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Daniel A. Ramaley
<daniel.ramaley at drake.edu> wrote:
> I've been thinking of setting up a small wiki to track my projects. I
> know there are many packages of varying complexity that would work. I
> want something that is simple to use and maintain. It doesn't need to
> support a large number of users either--i'll probably secure it so no
> one but myself can edit it anyway.
>
> Any recommendations for a good one? Bonus points if it is included in
> Debian's repository, though not strictly necessary if it is simple to
> install.

sudo apt-get install trac

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter

From tdwalton at gmail.com  Thu May 28 15:00:47 2009
From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 15:00:47 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Personal project management wiki
In-Reply-To: <4A1E7FBA0200002E000345EC@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
References: <200905281203.51279.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
	<4A1E7FBA0200002E000345EC@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <e1d8c6520905281300p1a6744d8x991d793751143b96@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Josh More
<morej at alliancetechnologies.net> wrote:
> Just use Mediawiki. ?You'll be much happier.

Mediawiki is the only wiki I've ever seriously used for myself, and
I'm pretty happy with it.  It's not terribly hard to set up.  It does
the job well.  The only thing that would entice me to use something
else, really, is plugins.

I found a pretty good calendar plugin for Mediawiki, but it could be
better.  And I'd like some useful templates for adding typical
information.  And I want in-browser editing with no markup except
maybe Markdown.

--
Todd

From kevin at linuxsmith.com  Thu May 28 19:30:18 2009
From: kevin at linuxsmith.com (Kevin C. Smith)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 19:30:18 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Personal project management wiki
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4080905281119k4439781u4bf4449192a249b7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200905281203.51279.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
	<f3c0b4080905281119k4439781u4bf4449192a249b7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A1F2C9A.80604@linuxsmith.com>

Matthew Nuzum wrote:
> On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Daniel A. Ramaley
> <daniel.ramaley at drake.edu> wrote:
>> I've been thinking of setting up a small wiki to track my projects. I
>> know there are many packages of varying complexity that would work. I
>> want something that is simple to use and maintain. It doesn't need to
>> support a large number of users either--i'll probably secure it so no
>> one but myself can edit it anyway.
>>
>> Any recommendations for a good one? Bonus points if it is included in
>> Debian's repository, though not strictly necessary if it is simple to
>> install.
> 
> sudo apt-get install trac

I use Trac. However mine is installed via easy_install in a virtualenv
environment. Only because I run a development version to get multiple
mercurial repository support. That said, Trac is more than a wiki
(ticketing system, wiki, repository browser, etc) and has many plugins
available - http://trac-hacks.org/.

If you want such a thing look at:

http://trac.edgewall.org/
http://www.redmine.org/

Trac doesn't do multiple projects in one process; Redmine does, Redmine
uses Ruby; Trac uses Python.

--
No keyboard detected. Press F1 to continue.


From albus at iowaconnect.com  Fri May 29 11:45:41 2009
From: albus at iowaconnect.com (albus)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:45:41 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] VMWare Problem
Message-ID: <8DB3810516A94C98B9A657C9151ABB49@RayJ>

Sorry for the VMWare intrusion on the LUG group.

But for those that responded back to me thanks, APPRECIATE IT ;-)

And for those that may be wondering what the problem was.
It was the NIC. I replaced it with an
INTEL PRO/1000GT 1-PORT COPPER GIG-E PCI DESKTOP PWLA8391GT

VMWare ESXi 4.0 likes it.

Me HAPPY ;-)


From crouse at usalug.net  Fri May 29 13:23:47 2009
From: crouse at usalug.net (Dave Crouse)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:23:47 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Personal project management wiki
In-Reply-To: <4A1F2C9A.80604@linuxsmith.com>
References: <200905281203.51279.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
	<f3c0b4080905281119k4439781u4bf4449192a249b7@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A1F2C9A.80604@linuxsmith.com>
Message-ID: <f76f53030905291123s47c7df77ted063a7e2308f793@mail.gmail.com>

Mediawiki FTW ! ;)

It's not hard to setup, no more so than any other php application.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Installing_MediaWiki_on_Debian_Sarge

Dave


On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Kevin C. Smith <kevin at linuxsmith.com> wrote:
> Matthew Nuzum wrote:
>> On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Daniel A. Ramaley
>> <daniel.ramaley at drake.edu> wrote:
>>> I've been thinking of setting up a small wiki to track my projects. I
>>> know there are many packages of varying complexity that would work. I
>>> want something that is simple to use and maintain. It doesn't need to
>>> support a large number of users either--i'll probably secure it so no
>>> one but myself can edit it anyway.
>>>
>>> Any recommendations for a good one? Bonus points if it is included in
>>> Debian's repository, though not strictly necessary if it is simple to
>>> install.
>>
>> sudo apt-get install trac
>
> I use Trac. However mine is installed via easy_install in a virtualenv
> environment. Only because I run a development version to get multiple
> mercurial repository support. That said, Trac is more than a wiki
> (ticketing system, wiki, repository browser, etc) and has many plugins
> available - http://trac-hacks.org/.
>
> If you want such a thing look at:
>
> http://trac.edgewall.org/
> http://www.redmine.org/
>
> Trac doesn't do multiple projects in one process; Redmine does, Redmine
> uses Ruby; Trac uses Python.
>
> --
> No keyboard detected. Press F1 to continue.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>

From alan.maupin at gmail.com  Fri May 29 13:28:33 2009
From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:28:33 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Personal project management wiki
In-Reply-To: <f76f53030905291123s47c7df77ted063a7e2308f793@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200905281203.51279.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
	<f3c0b4080905281119k4439781u4bf4449192a249b7@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A1F2C9A.80604@linuxsmith.com>
	<f76f53030905291123s47c7df77ted063a7e2308f793@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <86E37A47-C0A7-4512-BCC8-5E4A6D264688@gmail.com>

This is a very easy setup and is remotely administered via a web  
browser.

http://www.turnkeylinux.org/appliances/mediawiki



On May 29, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Dave Crouse wrote:

> Mediawiki FTW ! ;)
>
> It's not hard to setup, no more so than any other php application.
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Installing_MediaWiki_on_Debian_Sarge
>
> Dave
>
>
> On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Kevin C. Smith  
> <kevin at linuxsmith.com> wrote:
>> Matthew Nuzum wrote:
>>> On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Daniel A. Ramaley
>>> <daniel.ramaley at drake.edu> wrote:
>>>> I've been thinking of setting up a small wiki to track my  
>>>> projects. I
>>>> know there are many packages of varying complexity that would  
>>>> work. I
>>>> want something that is simple to use and maintain. It doesn't  
>>>> need to
>>>> support a large number of users either--i'll probably secure it  
>>>> so no
>>>> one but myself can edit it anyway.
>>>>
>>>> Any recommendations for a good one? Bonus points if it is  
>>>> included in
>>>> Debian's repository, though not strictly necessary if it is  
>>>> simple to
>>>> install.
>>>
>>> sudo apt-get install trac
>>
>> I use Trac. However mine is installed via easy_install in a  
>> virtualenv
>> environment. Only because I run a development version to get multiple
>> mercurial repository support. That said, Trac is more than a wiki
>> (ticketing system, wiki, repository browser, etc) and has many  
>> plugins
>> available - http://trac-hacks.org/.
>>
>> If you want such a thing look at:
>>
>> http://trac.edgewall.org/
>> http://www.redmine.org/
>>
>> Trac doesn't do multiple projects in one process; Redmine does,  
>> Redmine
>> uses Ruby; Trac uses Python.
>>
>> --
>> No keyboard detected. Press F1 to continue.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cialug mailing list
>> Cialug at cialug.org
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug


From james at dhlake.com  Fri May 29 21:05:43 2009
From: james at dhlake.com (James Shoemaker)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 21:05:43 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] summer picnic
Message-ID: <4A209477.7050506@dhlake.com>

The reason I asked is I am going to be "home alone" the first 2 weekends 
of august.  Wendy and Suzanne will be in California visiting Wendy's sister.
   I live a little ways out, but if people are willing I would host the 
summer picnic.  People can hang out on the deck, inside, downstairs, on 
the patio, or down on the beach and docks.  We could take out a boat or 
2, if people are interested we could do some tubing or waterskiing also.

James

From tdwalton at gmail.com  Sat May 30 05:40:03 2009
From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 05:40:03 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] VMWare Problem
In-Reply-To: <8DB3810516A94C98B9A657C9151ABB49@RayJ>
References: <8DB3810516A94C98B9A657C9151ABB49@RayJ>
Message-ID: <e1d8c6520905300340n3b4e721cw9012c6bbbccd3d0f@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:45 AM, albus <albus at iowaconnect.com> wrote:
> And for those that may be wondering what the problem was.
> It was the NIC. I replaced it with an
> INTEL PRO/1000GT 1-PORT COPPER GIG-E PCI DESKTOP PWLA8391GT
>
> VMWare ESXi 4.0 likes it.

Good to know.

--
Todd

From tdwalton at gmail.com  Sat May 30 07:56:01 2009
From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 07:56:01 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Wikia Programmer
Message-ID: <e1d8c6520905300556u5e090bf2m23091e2881ee4899@mail.gmail.com>

I'm watching a speech by Jimmy Wales.  He's talking about Wikia, his
open search engine thing.  He mentioned, "A genius programmer, he's
the technical lead on the project, who lives in Iowa because he can
live anywhere he wants."  His voice got a little dramatic at the end
of the statement.

From james at dhlake.com  Sat May 30 10:54:20 2009
From: james at dhlake.com (James Shoemaker)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 10:54:20 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] summer picnic
In-Reply-To: <4A209477.7050506@dhlake.com>
References: <4A209477.7050506@dhlake.com>
Message-ID: <4A2156AC.9020703@dhlake.com>

James Shoemaker wrote:
> The reason I asked is I am going to be "home alone" the first 2 weekends 
> of august.  Wendy and Suzanne will be in California visiting Wendy's sister.
>    I live a little ways out, but if people are willing I would host the 
> summer picnic.  People can hang out on the deck, inside, downstairs, on 
> the patio, or down on the beach and docks.  We could take out a boat or 
> 2, if people are interested we could do some tubing or waterskiing also.

   If that does happen to coincide with some sort of marathon, we do 
have satellite TV also.

James

From terry at HaimannOnline.com  Sun May 31 10:27:42 2009
From: terry at HaimannOnline.com (Terry A. Haimann)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 10:27:42 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Evolution & gnome-pilot
Message-ID: <4A22A1EE.1070001@HaimannOnline.com>

I have Evolution installed on my Wife's laptop which is running Ubuntu 
9.04.  Evolution no longer seems to have the Pilot-Sync in the menus and 
they want us to use the Gnome-Pilot
 Applet.

Well I can't get the applet to install to the Panel and it isn't in the 
menus.  Not sure what the fixz is.

Thanks in advance,   Terry

From major.stubble at gmail.com  Sun May 31 13:34:08 2009
From: major.stubble at gmail.com (Major Stubble)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 13:34:08 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Marvell In-plug Linux
Message-ID: <A4EE2678-6F08-4510-B3EF-FA0E1E1077A4@gmail.com>

Does anyone here know when Marvell is releasing their ARM micro-server?

I've been seeing a lot of reviews for it lately, but don't see a  
release date anywhere.

Also, are there any competitors that can match or beat the low power  
consumption stats at or near the same price point?

-Nick

--
Nathaniel N. Petersen
Assistant Application Admin
University of Northern Iowa


From tdwalton at gmail.com  Sun May 31 14:25:00 2009
From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 14:25:00 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Evolution & gnome-pilot
In-Reply-To: <4A22A1EE.1070001@HaimannOnline.com>
References: <4A22A1EE.1070001@HaimannOnline.com>
Message-ID: <e1d8c6520905311225t4793c36dq6be97b4f9ea53dd7@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Terry A. Haimann
<terry at haimannonline.com> wrote:
> Well I can't get the applet to install to the Panel and it isn't in the
> menus. ?Not sure what the fixz is.

How are you installing the applet?  What command or menu item do you run?

--
Todd

From leemhenderson at gmail.com  Sun May 31 16:05:09 2009
From: leemhenderson at gmail.com (Lee Henderson)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 16:05:09 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Pre
Message-ID: <f6138220905311405u217a20e2o3e80f1dfd44f32c8@mail.gmail.com>

Hey folks, I've been so busy I haven't been keeping up with the group in
recent months. Just curious if anyone will be picking up a Palm Pre at
launch this Saturday? With that in mind, are there any Web OS developers in
the group?

Lee
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From leemhenderson at gmail.com  Sun May 31 16:13:30 2009
From: leemhenderson at gmail.com (Lee Henderson)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 16:13:30 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Marvell In-plug Linux
In-Reply-To: <A4EE2678-6F08-4510-B3EF-FA0E1E1077A4@gmail.com>
References: <A4EE2678-6F08-4510-B3EF-FA0E1E1077A4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f6138220905311413hc0eb7fds41d96d5354fc9e6b@mail.gmail.com>

I assume your refering to the SheevaPlug? I believe it has been available on
a couple of occasions. Apperantly popular, as it's been on backorder for
some time at www globalscaletechnologies
com/p-22-sheevaplug-dev-kit.aspx<http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/p-22-sheevaplug-dev-kit.aspx>

That is the Dev Kit, there also some variants and more info available at...

www marvell
com/products/embedded_processors/developer/kirkwood/sheevaplug.jsp<http://www.marvell.com/products/embedded_processors/developer/kirkwood/sheevaplug.jsp>
Lee Henderson
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Major Stubble <major.stubble at gmail.com>wrote:

> Does anyone here know when Marvell is releasing their ARM micro-server?
>
> I've been seeing a lot of reviews for it lately, but don't see a
> release date anywhere.
>
> Also, are there any competitors that can match or beat the low power
> consumption stats at or near the same price point?
>
> -Nick
>
> --
> Nathaniel N. Petersen
> Assistant Application Admin
> University of Northern Iowa
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
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From eric at eric.nu  Sun May 31 16:48:03 2009
From: eric at eric.nu (Eric Junker)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 16:48:03 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Wikia Programmer
In-Reply-To: <e1d8c6520905300556u5e090bf2m23091e2881ee4899@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e1d8c6520905300556u5e090bf2m23091e2881ee4899@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A22FB13.7070007@eric.nu>

Todd Walton wrote:
> I'm watching a speech by Jimmy Wales.  He's talking about Wikia, his
> open search engine thing.  He mentioned, "A genius programmer, he's
> the technical lead on the project, who lives in Iowa because he can
> live anywhere he wants."  His voice got a little dramatic at the end
> of the statement.

I was curious who he was referring to and thought some others on the 
list might like to know too. It seems he is referring to Jeremie Miller 
who is the inventor of Jabber/XMPP and lives in Iowa. I also found that 
Wikia is hosting their site at the usshc.com data center in Monticello, 
Iowa.

Eric


From major.stubble at gmail.com  Sun May 31 18:59:06 2009
From: major.stubble at gmail.com (Nathaniel Petersen)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 18:59:06 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Marvell In-plug Linux
In-Reply-To: <f6138220905311413hc0eb7fds41d96d5354fc9e6b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A4EE2678-6F08-4510-B3EF-FA0E1E1077A4@gmail.com>
	<f6138220905311413hc0eb7fds41d96d5354fc9e6b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1d8332a90905311659n302d71fdl65768aecb44c249@mail.gmail.com>

That would be the one.  Thanks.

Now all I have to do is wait 4 weeks.

-Nick

On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Lee Henderson <leemhenderson at gmail.com> wrote:
> I assume your refering to the?SheevaPlug? I believe it has been available on
> a couple of occasions. Apperantly popular, as it's been on backorder?for
> some time at?www globalscaletechnologies com/p-22-sheevaplug-dev-kit.aspx
>
> That is the Dev Kit, there also some variants and more info available at...
>
> www marvell
> com/products/embedded_processors/developer/kirkwood/sheevaplug.jsp
> Lee Henderson
> On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Major Stubble <major.stubble at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone here know when Marvell is releasing their ARM micro-server?
>>
>> I've been seeing a lot of reviews for it lately, but don't see a
>> release date anywhere.
>>
>> Also, are there any competitors that can match or beat the low power
>> consumption stats at or near the same price point?
>>
>> -Nick
>>
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>> Nathaniel N. Petersen
>> Assistant Application Admin
>> University of Northern Iowa
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From tdwalton at gmail.com  Sun May 31 19:16:37 2009
From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 19:16:37 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Pre
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On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Lee Henderson <leemhenderson at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey folks, I've been so busy I haven't been keeping up with the group in
> recent months. Just curious if anyone will be picking up a Palm Pre at
> launch this Saturday?

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Okay, no.  But I've been waiting *so* long for the thing to come out.
I have a friend who's going to get one, and then sell me his old Treo.
 My current phone is on its last legs, and I need this new phone.

--
Todd

From jeff at ocjtech.us  Sun May 31 21:18:40 2009
From: jeff at ocjtech.us (Jeffrey Ollie)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 21:18:40 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Wikia Programmer
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On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Todd Walton <tdwalton at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm watching a speech by Jimmy Wales. ?He's talking about Wikia, his
> open search engine thing. ?He mentioned, "A genius programmer, he's
> the technical lead on the project, who lives in Iowa because he can
> live anywhere he wants." ?His voice got a little dramatic at the end
> of the statement.

Got a link to the video?  I found one possible link but the quality is
so awful I'm not sure I can watch/listen.

http://blip.tv/file/141633/

I appreciate the efforts of the person that took this video but the
audio captured by the on-camera mic is terrible.  Plus the video needs
de-interlacing.

-- 
Jeff Ollie