From tdwalton at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 05:47:52 2009
From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 05:47:52 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Wikia Programmer
In-Reply-To: <935ead450905311918r1db92076j1e3234204d04d9cb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e1d8c6520905300556u5e090bf2m23091e2881ee4899@mail.gmail.com>
	<935ead450905311918r1db92076j1e3234204d04d9cb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e1d8c6520906010347r1b4731c7k2140cd4a55e8684c@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Jeffrey Ollie <jeff at ocjtech.us> wrote:
> Got a link to the video? ?I found one possible link but the quality is
> so awful I'm not sure I can watch/listen.
>
> http://blip.tv/file/141633/

http://fora.tv/2008/09/11/Jimmy_Wales_-_Free_Speech_Free_Minds_and_Free_Markets

The way I found this video is because he makes several mentions of
Objectivism and Ayn Rand.

--
Todd

From james at dhlake.com  Mon Jun  1 13:53:31 2009
From: james at dhlake.com (James Shoemaker)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:53:31 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Summer picnic
In-Reply-To: <4A2156AC.9020703@dhlake.com>
References: <4A209477.7050506@dhlake.com> <4A2156AC.9020703@dhlake.com>
Message-ID: <4A2423AB.3090707@dhlake.com>

   OK, August 1, 11:00 to when we break up at my house.  Unless someone 
wants to take it over instead.

8120 Lakeshore Dr, Dexter, IA 50070
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=8120+lakeshore+dr+dexter+ia&sll=41.550459,-94.2621&sspn=0.010534,0.014784&num=10&ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=41.555104,-94.259852&spn=0.005267,0.007392&z=17&iwloc=A

   I was informed that these things are usually bring-your-own so I will 
supply the propane for the grill, but whatever you want to put on it is 
up to you.
   Bring a suit if you want to swim, the beach and hot tub will be 
available.

James

From daniel.ramaley at drake.edu  Mon Jun  1 13:57:02 2009
From: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu (Daniel A. Ramaley)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:57:02 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Personal project management wiki
In-Reply-To: <200905281203.51279.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
References: <200905281203.51279.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
Message-ID: <200906011357.02544.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>

Thanks for the suggestions. I think i'll give TiddlyWiki a try. If it is 
not suitable for my needs, then i'll try Mediawiki. It is in Debian, so 
installing should be trivial.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dan Ramaley                            Dial Center 118, Drake University
Network Programmer/Analyst             2407 Carpenter Ave
+1 515 271-4540                        Des Moines IA 50311 USA

From newz at bearfruit.org  Mon Jun  1 14:01:02 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 14:01:02 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] dsm web geeks meeting tonight
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080906011201m62dd976s94ab109bcac673dc@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, meant to do this last week... there's a web geeks meeting tonight.
The topic will be design. We tend to be a little engineer heavy so
should be beneficial to many people. Check out www.dsmwebgeeks.com for
full details but in a nutshell, 7:00 pm tonight (Monday) at Impromptu
Studios downtown then migrating over to El Baitshop.

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter

From dave at dchamp.net  Mon Jun  1 17:00:31 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 17:00:31 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Summer picnic
In-Reply-To: <4A2423AB.3090707@dhlake.com>
References: <4A209477.7050506@dhlake.com> <4A2156AC.9020703@dhlake.com>
	<4A2423AB.3090707@dhlake.com>
Message-ID: <4A244F7F.1050900@dchamp.net>

I put it on my calendar. We can probably arrange some carpooling to make 
it less 'spensive to drive out there.

We should probably have someone assigned with a big can of SPF 9-million 
sunblock spray to make sure the pasty nerds don't get all sun burned. We 
have two in the office that got burnt to a crisp over the weekend.

I'm also going to suggest a no banana hammock / man thong rule. That 
means you, Barry.

-dc

James Shoemaker wrote:
>    OK, August 1, 11:00 to when we break up at my house.  Unless someone 
> wants to take it over instead.
>
> 8120 Lakeshore Dr, Dexter, IA 50070
> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=8120+lakeshore+dr+dexter+ia&sll=41.550459,-94.2621&sspn=0.010534,0.014784&num=10&ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=41.555104,-94.259852&spn=0.005267,0.007392&z=17&iwloc=A
>
>    I was informed that these things are usually bring-your-own so I will 
> supply the propane for the grill, but whatever you want to put on it is 
> up to you.
>    Bring a suit if you want to swim, the beach and hot tub will be 
> available.
>
> James
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
>   


From james at dhlake.com  Mon Jun  1 18:40:01 2009
From: james at dhlake.com (James Shoemaker)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:40:01 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Summer picnic
In-Reply-To: <4A244F7F.1050900@dchamp.net>
References: <4A209477.7050506@dhlake.com>
	<4A2156AC.9020703@dhlake.com>	<4A2423AB.3090707@dhlake.com>
	<4A244F7F.1050900@dchamp.net>
Message-ID: <4A2466D1.40809@dhlake.com>

> We should probably have someone assigned with a big can of SPF 9-million 
> sunblock spray to make sure the pasty nerds don't get all sun burned. We 
> have two in the office that got burnt to a crisp over the weekend.

   Lucky for us pasty geeks, I have plenty of shade.  After 2:00 or so 
there's even shade on the beach.

James

From inflatablesoulmate at brothersofchaos.com  Mon Jun  1 20:45:14 2009
From: inflatablesoulmate at brothersofchaos.com (Matt Stanton)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 20:45:14 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Summer picnic
In-Reply-To: <4A2466D1.40809@dhlake.com>
References: <4A209477.7050506@dhlake.com>	<4A2156AC.9020703@dhlake.com>	<4A2423AB.3090707@dhlake.com>	<4A244F7F.1050900@dchamp.net>
	<4A2466D1.40809@dhlake.com>
Message-ID: <4A24842A.70206@brothersofchaos.com>

You are going to wire an AP up on the back deck, right?

j/k ;)   ...seriously though, you are, right?

James Shoemaker wrote:
>> We should probably have someone assigned with a big can of SPF 9-million 
>> sunblock spray to make sure the pasty nerds don't get all sun burned. We 
>> have two in the office that got burnt to a crisp over the weekend.
>>     
>
>    Lucky for us pasty geeks, I have plenty of shade.  After 2:00 or so 
> there's even shade on the beach.
>
> James
> _______________________________________________
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> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
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From james at dhlake.com  Mon Jun  1 21:11:50 2009
From: james at dhlake.com (James Shoemaker)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 21:11:50 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Summer picnic
In-Reply-To: <4A24842A.70206@brothersofchaos.com>
References: <4A209477.7050506@dhlake.com>	<4A2156AC.9020703@dhlake.com>	<4A2423AB.3090707@dhlake.com>	<4A244F7F.1050900@dchamp.net>	<4A2466D1.40809@dhlake.com>
	<4A24842A.70206@brothersofchaos.com>
Message-ID: <4A248A66.5050701@dhlake.com>

Matt Stanton wrote:
> You are going to wire an AP up on the back deck, right?
> 

   I get a good wifi signal on the deck and also down on the beach.  How 
else could you pick the music on the mp3 jukebox?

James

From james at dhlake.com  Tue Jun  2 10:53:01 2009
From: james at dhlake.com (James Shoemaker)
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 10:53:01 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Summer picnic
In-Reply-To: <4A248A66.5050701@dhlake.com>
References: <4A209477.7050506@dhlake.com>	<4A2156AC.9020703@dhlake.com>	<4A2423AB.3090707@dhlake.com>	<4A244F7F.1050900@dchamp.net>	<4A2466D1.40809@dhlake.com>	<4A24842A.70206@brothersofchaos.com>
	<4A248A66.5050701@dhlake.com>
Message-ID: <4A254ADD.2010209@dhlake.com>

James Shoemaker wrote:
> Matt Stanton wrote:
>> You are going to wire an AP up on the back deck, right?
>>
> 
>    I get a good wifi signal on the deck and also down on the beach.  How 
> else could you pick the music on the mp3 jukebox?

   I might even give you the wep key if you ask nicely.

James

From dave at dchamp.net  Tue Jun  2 11:00:42 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 11:00:42 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Summer picnic
In-Reply-To: <4A254ADD.2010209@dhlake.com>
References: <4A209477.7050506@dhlake.com>	<4A2156AC.9020703@dhlake.com>	<4A2423AB.3090707@dhlake.com>	<4A244F7F.1050900@dchamp.net>	<4A2466D1.40809@dhlake.com>	<4A24842A.70206@brothersofchaos.com>	<4A248A66.5050701@dhlake.com>
	<4A254ADD.2010209@dhlake.com>
Message-ID: <4A254CAA.4050202@dchamp.net>

James Shoemaker wrote:
> James Shoemaker wrote:
>   
>> Matt Stanton wrote:
>>     
>>> You are going to wire an AP up on the back deck, right?
>>>
>>>       
>>    I get a good wifi signal on the deck and also down on the beach.  How 
>> else could you pick the music on the mp3 jukebox?
>>     
>
>    I might even give you the wep key if you ask nicely.
>
> James
>   
That would take all of the challenge out of hacking into it.

How far out into the lake will we be able to pick up the wifi signal? In 
case we want to read slashdot while tubing behind the boat.

-dc


From ewenix at raccoon.com  Tue Jun  2 11:07:00 2009
From: ewenix at raccoon.com (ewenix at raccoon.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 11:07:00 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Cialug] Summer picnic
In-Reply-To: <4A254CAA.4050202@dchamp.net>
References: <4A209477.7050506@dhlake.com> <4A2156AC.9020703@dhlake.com>
	<4A2423AB.3090707@dhlake.com> <4A244F7F.1050900@dchamp.net>
	<4A2466D1.40809@dhlake.com> <4A24842A.70206@brothersofchaos.com>
	<4A248A66.5050701@dhlake.com> <4A254ADD.2010209@dhlake.com>
	<4A254CAA.4050202@dchamp.net>
Message-ID: <18584.66.185.12.50.1243958820.squirrel@mail.raccoon.com>

That would make an awesome picture!


>
> How far out into the lake will we be able to pick up the wifi signal? In
> case we want to read slashdot while tubing behind the boat.
>
> -dc
>


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From james at dhlake.com  Tue Jun  2 11:11:03 2009
From: james at dhlake.com (James Shoemaker)
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 11:11:03 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Summer picnic
In-Reply-To: <4A254CAA.4050202@dchamp.net>
References: <4A209477.7050506@dhlake.com>	<4A2156AC.9020703@dhlake.com>	<4A2423AB.3090707@dhlake.com>	<4A244F7F.1050900@dchamp.net>	<4A2466D1.40809@dhlake.com>	<4A24842A.70206@brothersofchaos.com>	<4A248A66.5050701@dhlake.com>	<4A254ADD.2010209@dhlake.com>
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> That would take all of the challenge out of hacking into it.

Since it is wep hacking it should be trivial.

> How far out into the lake will we be able to pick up the wifi signal? In 
> case we want to read slashdot while tubing behind the boat.

   I can sometimes pick up someone's wifi from the other side of the 
lake when on the deck so possibly quite a ways.  Though usually I just 
use my treo for reading/posting from the lake, there's good US cellular 
and patchy sprint service at the lake, I think verizon piggy-backs on 
the us cellular tower.

James


From james at dhlake.com  Tue Jun  2 11:26:46 2009
From: james at dhlake.com (James Shoemaker)
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 11:26:46 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Summer picnic
In-Reply-To: <18584.66.185.12.50.1243958820.squirrel@mail.raccoon.com>
References: <4A209477.7050506@dhlake.com>
	<4A2156AC.9020703@dhlake.com>	<4A2423AB.3090707@dhlake.com>
	<4A244F7F.1050900@dchamp.net>	<4A2466D1.40809@dhlake.com>
	<4A24842A.70206@brothersofchaos.com>	<4A248A66.5050701@dhlake.com>
	<4A254ADD.2010209@dhlake.com>	<4A254CAA.4050202@dchamp.net>
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Message-ID: <4A2552C6.7080809@dhlake.com>

ewenix at raccoon.com wrote:
> That would make an awesome picture!
> 
> 
>> How far out into the lake will we be able to pick up the wifi signal? In
>> case we want to read slashdot while tubing behind the boat.

   And not hard to stage with a sacrificial laptop.

James

From jrnosee at gmail.com  Tue Jun  2 15:05:36 2009
From: jrnosee at gmail.com (jrnosee at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:05:36 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Corp. WiFi
In-Reply-To: <a202c1b0905221419x1d897272x9a637e0a308a7048@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a202c1b0905220755w95d86e8q8d775e9c7b45c1c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<22884115.364111243006286702.JavaMail.root@zimbra>
	<a202c1b0905220845k4411d9b4s630753307fa01475@mail.gmail.com>
	<a202c1b0905221419x1d897272x9a637e0a308a7048@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a202c1b0906021305t3e03b9abl2f2802ab48b5adcc@mail.gmail.com>

bump....trying again on my new laptop.

On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 4:19 PM, <jrnosee at gmail.com> wrote:

> Attached is a slightly modified for privacy screenlog.  I got
> wpa_supplicant to partially work from command line (had to kill Network
> Manager).  It finds the AP now and begins authentication.  SSL fails.  I
> believe this is a better indication of the same error I was getting before:
>
> 1243025674.549128: TLS: Trusted root certificate(s) loaded
> 1243025674.549145: EAP-TTLS: Start
> 1243025674.549190: SSL: (where=0x10 ret=0x1)
> 1243025674.549257: SSL: (where=0x1001 ret=0x1)
> 1243025674.549268: SSL: SSL_connect:before/connect initialization
> 1243025674.549317: SSL: (where=0x1001 ret=0x1)
> 1243025674.549326: SSL: SSL_connect:SSLv3 write client hello A
> 1243025674.549340: SSL: (where=0x1002 ret=0xffffffff)
> 1243025674.549347: SSL: SSL_connect:error in SSLv3 read server hello A
> 1243025674.549360: SSL: SSL_connect - want more data
> 1243025674.549367: SSL: 93 bytes pending from ssl_out
> 1243025674.549378: SSL: 93 bytes left to be sent out (of total 93 bytes)
> 1243025674.549387: EAP: method process -> ignore=FALSE methodState=MAY_CONT
> decision=FAIL
>
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From nathanism at gmail.com  Wed Jun  3 10:16:59 2009
From: nathanism at gmail.com (Nathan Stien)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:16:59 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] "NILFS: A Filesystem to Make SSDs Scream"
Message-ID: <8b490d600906030816w6655ac6cqdd9f2940cc5e60b0@mail.gmail.com>

"NILFS2 (New Implementation of a Log-Structured File System Version 2) is a
very promising new log-structured file system that has continuous snapshots
and versioning of the entire file system. This means that you can recover
files that were deleted or unintentionally modified as well as perform
backups at any time from a snapshot without a performance penalty normally
associated with creating snapshots. In addition, there is evidence that
NILFS has extremely good performance on SSD drives."

http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7345/1.html

Looks neat.  Anyone messed with this?
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From tdwalton at gmail.com  Wed Jun  3 10:31:50 2009
From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:31:50 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] "NILFS: A Filesystem to Make SSDs Scream"
In-Reply-To: <8b490d600906030816w6655ac6cqdd9f2940cc5e60b0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b490d600906030816w6655ac6cqdd9f2940cc5e60b0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e1d8c6520906030831q69a46658k350cd62291219881@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Nathan Stien <nathanism at gmail.com> wrote:
> "NILFS2 (New Implementation of a Log-Structured File System Version 2) is a
> very promising new log-structured file system that has continuous snapshots
> and versioning of the entire file system. This means that you can recover
> files that were deleted or unintentionally modified as well as perform
> backups at any time from a snapshot without a performance penalty normally
> associated with creating snapshots. In addition, there is evidence that
> NILFS has extremely good performance on SSD drives."

I am an uneducated man on the ways of filesystems. But I have a
question.  Wouldn't "snapshots" be killer for SSDs?

--
Todd

From jrnosee at gmail.com  Wed Jun  3 11:28:15 2009
From: jrnosee at gmail.com (jrnosee at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:28:15 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Corp. WiFi
In-Reply-To: <a202c1b0906021305t3e03b9abl2f2802ab48b5adcc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a202c1b0905220755w95d86e8q8d775e9c7b45c1c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<22884115.364111243006286702.JavaMail.root@zimbra>
	<a202c1b0905220845k4411d9b4s630753307fa01475@mail.gmail.com>
	<a202c1b0905221419x1d897272x9a637e0a308a7048@mail.gmail.com>
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Ok, I've nailed my issue down a little further I think.  It looks like
there's an intermediary CA cert that I need to use as well as the CA cert I
had before.  I've obtained both, but I don't know how to get them to work
together.  I thought if I installed them into /etc/ssl/certs by putting them
in /usr/share/ca-certificates/<subdirectory> and adding them to
/etc/ca-certificates.conf and running sudo update-ca-certificates it would
work, but aparently not.

Any thoughts?

--Justin
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From brandongriffis at gmail.com  Wed Jun  3 14:47:24 2009
From: brandongriffis at gmail.com (Brandon Griffis)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 14:47:24 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Pre
In-Reply-To: <e1d8c6520905311716n7e8259b8p9041a88c7e12f9aa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f6138220905311405u217a20e2o3e80f1dfd44f32c8@mail.gmail.com>
	<e1d8c6520905311716n7e8259b8p9041a88c7e12f9aa@mail.gmail.com>
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I might be getting one.  I'm out of my AT&T contract and looking for a phone
I could deal with using for 2 years (I hate the way the US does cell
service), and that I can afford to have unlimited data/text and a few
minutes (which Sprint has the best prices for hands down.  I'm Waiting to
actually use one until I decide though.  I do wish it supported expandable
flash memory instead of going the on board route.

Unfortunately Andriod doesn't have anything available in the US market
that's very good, and the iPhone is amazingly lackluster on features (though
perhaps the next one will be better, but even still they're bound to AT&T
and the prices from that network are awful).

I would like to see Palm remain a contender in the market.  They used to
have amazing devices and I think Web OS sounds like a brilliant platform.
We'll see how it goes.

-B

On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Todd Walton <tdwalton at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Lee Henderson <leemhenderson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hey folks, I've been so busy I haven't been keeping up with the group in
> > recent months. Just curious if anyone will be picking up a Palm Pre at
> > launch this Saturday?
>
> Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Okay, no.  But I've been waiting *so* long for the thing to come out.
> I have a friend who's going to get one, and then sell me his old Treo.
>  My current phone is on its last legs, and I need this new phone.
>
> --
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From dave at dchamp.net  Wed Jun  3 14:57:38 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 14:57:38 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Pre
In-Reply-To: <9089dcd30906031247p468814a4qcce138c689cb1e3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f6138220905311405u217a20e2o3e80f1dfd44f32c8@mail.gmail.com>	<e1d8c6520905311716n7e8259b8p9041a88c7e12f9aa@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <4A26D5B2.4090609@dchamp.net>

Rumor has it (from Engadget.com) that the Pre will be available from 
AT&T and Verizon in 6 months when the Sprint exclusive deal is up.

There are also supposed to be over a dozen Android phones available 
later this year, according to Google... that could mean worldwide 
though, so 11 in China and 1 more in the US.

-dc

Brandon Griffis wrote:
> I might be getting one.  I'm out of my AT&T contract and looking for a 
> phone I could deal with using for 2 years (I hate the way the US does 
> cell service), and that I can afford to have unlimited data/text and a 
> few minutes (which Sprint has the best prices for hands down.  I'm 
> Waiting to actually use one until I decide though.  I do wish it 
> supported expandable flash memory instead of going the on board route.
>
> Unfortunately Andriod doesn't have anything available in the US market 
> that's very good, and the iPhone is amazingly lackluster on features 
> (though perhaps the next one will be better, but even still they're 
> bound to AT&T and the prices from that network are awful).
>
> I would like to see Palm remain a contender in the market.  They used 
> to have amazing devices and I think Web OS sounds like a brilliant 
> platform.  We'll see how it goes.
>
> -B
>
> On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Todd Walton <tdwalton at gmail.com 
> <mailto:tdwalton at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Lee Henderson
>     <leemhenderson at gmail.com <mailto:leemhenderson at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     > Hey folks, I've been so busy I haven't been keeping up with the
>     group in
>     > recent months. Just curious if anyone will be picking up a Palm
>     Pre at
>     > launch this Saturday?
>
>     Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>     Okay, no.  But I've been waiting *so* long for the thing to come out.
>     I have a friend who's going to get one, and then sell me his old Treo.
>      My current phone is on its last legs, and I need this new phone.
>
>     --
>     Todd
>     _______________________________________________
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From brandongriffis at gmail.com  Wed Jun  3 15:03:38 2009
From: brandongriffis at gmail.com (Brandon Griffis)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 15:03:38 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Pre
In-Reply-To: <4A26D5B2.4090609@dchamp.net>
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Yeah, I've heard those rumors too.  Additionally that Apple is talking with
Verizon about a 2011 iPhone on their service.  So I figure I might have to
bite the bullet on an "almost there" phone for another two years and then
hopefully have some other options.

Then again there is the HTC Touch Pro 2 that's set to release.  I'm not
terribly happy with the idea of going WiMo, but it does offer the most
features (at 2x the cost).

-B

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 2:57 PM, David Champion <dave at dchamp.net> wrote:

> Rumor has it (from Engadget.com) that the Pre will be available from
> AT&T and Verizon in 6 months when the Sprint exclusive deal is up.
>
> There are also supposed to be over a dozen Android phones available
> later this year, according to Google... that could mean worldwide
> though, so 11 in China and 1 more in the US.
>
> -dc
>
> Brandon Griffis wrote:
> > I might be getting one.  I'm out of my AT&T contract and looking for a
> > phone I could deal with using for 2 years (I hate the way the US does
> > cell service), and that I can afford to have unlimited data/text and a
> > few minutes (which Sprint has the best prices for hands down.  I'm
> > Waiting to actually use one until I decide though.  I do wish it
> > supported expandable flash memory instead of going the on board route.
> >
> > Unfortunately Andriod doesn't have anything available in the US market
> > that's very good, and the iPhone is amazingly lackluster on features
> > (though perhaps the next one will be better, but even still they're
> > bound to AT&T and the prices from that network are awful).
> >
> > I would like to see Palm remain a contender in the market.  They used
> > to have amazing devices and I think Web OS sounds like a brilliant
> > platform.  We'll see how it goes.
> >
> > -B
> >
> > On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Todd Walton <tdwalton at gmail.com
> > <mailto:tdwalton at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Lee Henderson
> >     <leemhenderson at gmail.com <mailto:leemhenderson at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >     > Hey folks, I've been so busy I haven't been keeping up with the
> >     group in
> >     > recent months. Just curious if anyone will be picking up a Palm
> >     Pre at
> >     > launch this Saturday?
> >
> >     Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> >     Okay, no.  But I've been waiting *so* long for the thing to come out.
> >     I have a friend who's going to get one, and then sell me his old
> Treo.
> >      My current phone is on its last legs, and I need this new phone.
> >
> >     --
> >     Todd
> >     _______________________________________________
> >     Cialug mailing list
> >     Cialug at cialug.org <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org>
> >     http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > Cialug at cialug.org
> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
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From newz at bearfruit.org  Wed Jun  3 15:05:01 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 15:05:01 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Pre
In-Reply-To: <4A26D5B2.4090609@dchamp.net>
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On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 2:57 PM, David Champion <dave at dchamp.net> wrote:
> Rumor has it (from Engadget.com) that the Pre will be available from
> AT&T and Verizon in 6 months when the Sprint exclusive deal is up.
>
> There are also supposed to be over a dozen Android phones available
> later this year, according to Google... that could mean worldwide
> though, so 11 in China and 1 more in the US.
>

Yeah, but seems like we were singing a similar song a year ago.
Expectations for Android have been very high but I can't hold my
breath much longer. I held off getting a smart phone last fall opting
to buy a full-featured phone on ebay and skipping a contract. Not
wanting to wait too much longer.

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter

From robarooney at gmail.com  Wed Jun  3 15:08:12 2009
From: robarooney at gmail.com (Rob Miller)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 15:08:12 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Pre
In-Reply-To: <f6138220905311405u217a20e2o3e80f1dfd44f32c8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f6138220905311405u217a20e2o3e80f1dfd44f32c8@mail.gmail.com>
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I hope I can be first in line.  I'm thinking of going by the Sprint store
there by Barnes and Noble on University in WDM around 5:30 am to see what's
happening.  I've not had a smart phone before and I just want to try one.
That's my plan.  Rob Miller

On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Lee Henderson <leemhenderson at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hey folks, I've been so busy I haven't been keeping up with the group in
> recent months. Just curious if anyone will be picking up a Palm Pre at
> launch this Saturday? With that in mind, are there any Web OS developers in
> the group?
>
> Lee
>
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From cwfreeman at gmail.com  Wed Jun  3 16:44:24 2009
From: cwfreeman at gmail.com (Chris Freeman)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:44:24 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Pre
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4080906031305kf3f2995ob01703754f86f9c5@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:
>
> Yeah, but seems like we were singing a similar song a year ago.
> Expectations for Android have been very high but I can't hold my
> breath much longer. I held off getting a smart phone last fall opting
> to buy a full-featured phone on ebay and skipping a contract. Not
> wanting to wait too much longer.

For me, the biggest problem is that the phones are tied to the service
provider. I want a G1, but I won't pay the disconnect fee for 2 people
to get off of Sprint. That said, I am also drooling over the Pre, and
I have a Centro already. I'm in no rush to get shiny and new.

I have a friend with a G1, and he loves it. If T-Mobile is a
possibility for you, you might want to look at it if you can't wait
much longer.

Chris

From brandongriffis at gmail.com  Wed Jun  3 17:37:12 2009
From: brandongriffis at gmail.com (Brandon Griffis)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:37:12 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Pre
In-Reply-To: <3afd8deb0906031444n57c75817t4d48d0822f802ec7@mail.gmail.com>
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I haven't played with a G1 but it fell off the shelf of possible phones when
I found they wouldn't be supporting A2DP (stereo bluetooth).  (Also one of
the many reasons the iPhone sucks).  The camera is also fairly poor (or so
I've heard), and doesn't support video.  (Some of these things may have
changed with more recent updates).

I still can't believe that smartphones are still being released that don't
support a full bluetooth stack.  It'd also be nice if the G1 supported flash
(youtube/pandora/last.fm).

-B

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Chris Freeman <cwfreeman at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, but seems like we were singing a similar song a year ago.
> > Expectations for Android have been very high but I can't hold my
> > breath much longer. I held off getting a smart phone last fall opting
> > to buy a full-featured phone on ebay and skipping a contract. Not
> > wanting to wait too much longer.
>
> For me, the biggest problem is that the phones are tied to the service
> provider. I want a G1, but I won't pay the disconnect fee for 2 people
> to get off of Sprint. That said, I am also drooling over the Pre, and
> I have a Centro already. I'm in no rush to get shiny and new.
>
> I have a friend with a G1, and he loves it. If T-Mobile is a
> possibility for you, you might want to look at it if you can't wait
> much longer.
>
> Chris
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
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> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
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From dave at dchamp.net  Wed Jun  3 17:41:52 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:41:52 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Pre
In-Reply-To: <9089dcd30906031537i2cc1340av870fe8b4189e31b5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f6138220905311405u217a20e2o3e80f1dfd44f32c8@mail.gmail.com>	<e1d8c6520905311716n7e8259b8p9041a88c7e12f9aa@mail.gmail.com>	<9089dcd30906031247p468814a4qcce138c689cb1e3@mail.gmail.com>	<4A26D5B2.4090609@dchamp.net>	<f3c0b4080906031305kf3f2995ob01703754f86f9c5@mail.gmail.com>	<3afd8deb0906031444n57c75817t4d48d0822f802ec7@mail.gmail.com>
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The lastest update (aka "cupcake") for the G1 supports stereo bluetooth. 
One of my cow-orkers has one and is sitting in his cube listening to it 
right now.

-dc

Brandon Griffis wrote:
> I haven't played with a G1 but it fell off the shelf of possible 
> phones when I found they wouldn't be supporting A2DP (stereo 
> bluetooth).  (Also one of the many reasons the iPhone sucks).  The 
> camera is also fairly poor (or so I've heard), and doesn't support 
> video.  (Some of these things may have changed with more recent updates).
>
> I still can't believe that smartphones are still being released that 
> don't support a full bluetooth stack.  It'd also be nice if the G1 
> supported flash (youtube/pandora/last.fm <http://last.fm>).
>
> -B
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Chris Freeman <cwfreeman at gmail.com 
> <mailto:cwfreeman at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org
>     <mailto:newz at bearfruit.org>> wrote:
>     >
>     > Yeah, but seems like we were singing a similar song a year ago.
>     > Expectations for Android have been very high but I can't hold my
>     > breath much longer. I held off getting a smart phone last fall
>     opting
>     > to buy a full-featured phone on ebay and skipping a contract. Not
>     > wanting to wait too much longer.
>
>     For me, the biggest problem is that the phones are tied to the service
>     provider. I want a G1, but I won't pay the disconnect fee for 2 people
>     to get off of Sprint. That said, I am also drooling over the Pre, and
>     I have a Centro already. I'm in no rush to get shiny and new.
>
>     I have a friend with a G1, and he loves it. If T-Mobile is a
>     possibility for you, you might want to look at it if you can't wait
>     much longer.
>
>     Chris
>     _______________________________________________
>     Cialug mailing list
>     Cialug at cialug.org <mailto:Cialug at cialug.org>
>     http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From eric at eric.nu  Wed Jun  3 19:16:38 2009
From: eric at eric.nu (Eric Junker)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:16:38 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Pre
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Brandon Griffis wrote:
> I haven't played with a G1 but it fell off the shelf of possible phones 
> when I found they wouldn't be supporting A2DP (stereo bluetooth).  (Also 
> one of the many reasons the iPhone sucks).

Iphone OS 3.0 will probably be released on June 8 and it will include 
A2DP, MMS, 3G tethering, turn by turn GPS navigation and other features.

Eric

From brandongriffis at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 11:48:01 2009
From: brandongriffis at gmail.com (Brandon Griffis)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:48:01 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Pre
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On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Eric Junker <eric at eric.nu> wrote:

>
> Iphone OS 3.0 will probably be released on June 8 and it will include
> A2DP, MMS, 3G tethering, turn by turn GPS navigation and other features.
>

Yes, which is nice.  Though it's still terribly underpowered and has too
little ram, and doesn't allow for multi-tasking.  The OS is quite clean and
nice, but it's still not quite there.  Perhaps the next hardware iteration
will be competitive with the other hardware on the market.

Sadly, Apple has decided to bind themselves to AT&T (a provider I am running
as far and as fast away from as possible).

-B
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From rob at robfreiburger.com  Thu Jun  4 12:30:16 2009
From: rob at robfreiburger.com (Rob Freiburger)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 12:30:16 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Pre
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I doubt it was in Apple's interests to be locked into an exclusive  
agreement when they were finding carriers back when the iPhone was top  
secret. I think most carriers thought Apple wouldn't be able to pull  
it off.

On Jun 4, 2009, at 11:48 AM, Brandon Griffis  
<brandongriffis at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sadly, Apple has decided to bind themselves to AT&T (a provider I am  
> running as far and as fast away from as possible).
>
> -B

From james at dhlake.com  Thu Jun  4 13:03:15 2009
From: james at dhlake.com (James Shoemaker)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 13:03:15 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Pre
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Rob Freiburger wrote:
> I doubt it was in Apple's interests to be locked into an exclusive  
> agreement when they were finding carriers back when the iPhone was top  
> secret. I think most carriers thought Apple wouldn't be able to pull  
> it off.

   Also so they could implement things like "visual voicemail".

James

From kristau at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 15:10:48 2009
From: kristau at gmail.com (kristau)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:10:48 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Pre
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On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:03 PM, James Shoemaker <james at dhlake.com> wrote:
> ? Also so they could implement things like "visual voicemail".
>
> James

Yes, I remember people speculating that most providers were not
willing to allow a phone provider that level of access on their
network. Prior to Apple and the iPhone, the carriers held all the
cards. The iPhone threated (and still threatens) to flip this around,
allowing the phone manufacturers wield more power.

Apple came along and said, "This is what it will take to put our
devices on your network. If you can't provide it we will find someone
else who will." AT&T was probably not Apple's first choice, but they
were willing to play.

Once the obligations are over with AT&T, you can bet Apple will pose
that same question again to all the providers. When they do, I think
we'll see at least one or two more providers take them up.

-- 
Tired programmer
Coding late into the night
The core dump follows

From zach at kotlarek.com  Thu Jun  4 15:19:43 2009
From: zach at kotlarek.com (Zachary Kotlarek)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:19:43 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Pre
In-Reply-To: <3effba680906041310m580eda49r12d3fb8aab5ffdb7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f6138220905311405u217a20e2o3e80f1dfd44f32c8@mail.gmail.com>
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	<96857C53-8EE0-46A7-B731-71F199EA52DA@robfreiburger.com>
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On Jun 4, 2009, at 3:10 PM, kristau wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:03 PM, James Shoemaker <james at dhlake.com>  
> wrote:
>>   Also so they could implement things like "visual voicemail".


You'd think phone providers would be happy to send you voicemail as a  
MMS or email -- that would get you "visual voice mail" and they'd be  
able to ding you for the (low priority, non-interactive) transmission  
of the MMS or email data.

Given that calls to check voicemail tie up both the OTA network and  
the voicemail server, and that those calls are not charged against on- 
air minutes (at least not on any plan I've ever used), I just can't  
see the benefit. But maybe I'm missing some vital piece of control/ 
profit that cellular providers want to keep by forcing you to call  
into their voicemail system.

	Zach

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From newz at bearfruit.org  Thu Jun  4 16:18:08 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:18:08 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Pre
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	<f3c0b4080906031305kf3f2995ob01703754f86f9c5@mail.gmail.com>
	<3afd8deb0906031444n57c75817t4d48d0822f802ec7@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:10 PM, kristau <kristau at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, I remember people speculating that most providers were not
> willing to allow a phone provider that level of access on their
> network. Prior to Apple and the iPhone, the carriers held all the
> cards. The iPhone threated (and still threatens) to flip this around,
> allowing the phone manufacturers wield more power.
>
> Apple came along and said, "This is what it will take to put our
> devices on your network. If you can't provide it we will find someone
> else who will." AT&T was probably not Apple's first choice, but they
> were willing to play.
>

Remember too that it was with Cingular who announced that very day, on
stage with Apple, that they were being bought by AT&T. The work needed
to make visual voice mail was not done in a few days or a few weeks...
Also remember that they also (temporarily) broke out of the mold where
the provider subsidized the hardware in exchange for a 2 year
contract.

It boggles my mind to think about how that deal worked out and the
complexities involved. It was definitely a win-win situation.

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter

From leemhenderson at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 19:28:22 2009
From: leemhenderson at gmail.com (Lee Henderson)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:28:22 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Pre
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4080906041418k688931b4i35346a9b795eb549@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f6138220905311405u217a20e2o3e80f1dfd44f32c8@mail.gmail.com>
	<f3c0b4080906031305kf3f2995ob01703754f86f9c5@mail.gmail.com>
	<3afd8deb0906031444n57c75817t4d48d0822f802ec7@mail.gmail.com>
	<9089dcd30906031537i2cc1340av870fe8b4189e31b5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A271266.50405@eric.nu>
	<9089dcd30906040948v47f17d57p8306275a85c1c5e0@mail.gmail.com>
	<96857C53-8EE0-46A7-B731-71F199EA52DA@robfreiburger.com>
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All of that being said. ;-) Apple will undoubtedly be realeasing new
hardware soon. If for smoe reason I don't land a Pre at launch, I'll
probably be first in line for the new iPhone. The first gen was my favorite
phone thus far. The 3G just wasn't enough of an update for me to jump to
it.  So we'll see, come Saturday, if I'll be looking forward to an Apple
announcement or not. If my Wife was a little more of a techie I'd probably
have both. Thankfully for our bank account she tends to keep me grounded.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:10 PM, kristau <kristau at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, I remember people speculating that most providers were not
> > willing to allow a phone provider that level of access on their
> > network. Prior to Apple and the iPhone, the carriers held all the
> > cards. The iPhone threated (and still threatens) to flip this around,
> > allowing the phone manufacturers wield more power.
> >
> > Apple came along and said, "This is what it will take to put our
> > devices on your network. If you can't provide it we will find someone
> > else who will." AT&T was probably not Apple's first choice, but they
> > were willing to play.
> >
>
> Remember too that it was with Cingular who announced that very day, on
> stage with Apple, that they were being bought by AT&T. The work needed
> to make visual voice mail was not done in a few days or a few weeks...
> Also remember that they also (temporarily) broke out of the mold where
> the provider subsidized the hardware in exchange for a 2 year
> contract.
>
> It boggles my mind to think about how that deal worked out and the
> complexities involved. It was definitely a win-win situation.
>
> --
> Matthew Nuzum
> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
> _______________________________________________
>  Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
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From robarooney at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 13:45:18 2009
From: robarooney at gmail.com (Rob Miller)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:45:18 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] n00bie n33ds h3lp
Message-ID: <1a1c07bd0906051145n395785dfw35947adbbd918d79@mail.gmail.com>

I'm running SuSE 10.2 on my desktop computer and somehow I started a rescue
CD program (http://www.sysresccd.org) that covers my desktop with a text
program.  I can't figure out how to shut it off and get back to my Gnome
desktop.  Any help would be great.  Thanks.
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From brandongriffis at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 14:26:17 2009
From: brandongriffis at gmail.com (Brandon Griffis)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:26:17 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Pre
In-Reply-To: <96857C53-8EE0-46A7-B731-71F199EA52DA@robfreiburger.com>
References: <f6138220905311405u217a20e2o3e80f1dfd44f32c8@mail.gmail.com>
	<e1d8c6520905311716n7e8259b8p9041a88c7e12f9aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<9089dcd30906031247p468814a4qcce138c689cb1e3@mail.gmail.com>
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	<3afd8deb0906031444n57c75817t4d48d0822f802ec7@mail.gmail.com>
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	<96857C53-8EE0-46A7-B731-71F199EA52DA@robfreiburger.com>
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On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Rob Freiburger <rob at robfreiburger.com>wrote:

> I doubt it was in Apple's interests to be locked into an exclusive
> agreement when they were finding carriers back when the iPhone was top
> secret. I think most carriers thought Apple wouldn't be able to pull
> it off.


Na.  From what I heard everyone was interested from day 1.  AT&T was just
able to *afford* them (mostly by overcharging their customers).  Apple got
massively greater kickbacks from AT&T for the exclusivity.  Esp on the 1st
gen iPhone.

-B
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From chapinjeff at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 14:53:20 2009
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 14:53:20 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] n00bie n33ds h3lp
In-Reply-To: <1a1c07bd0906051145n395785dfw35947adbbd918d79@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1a1c07bd0906051145n395785dfw35947adbbd918d79@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A2977B0.3000908@gmail.com>

Does hitting Alt-F7 fix it?

Jeff


Rob Miller wrote:
> I'm running SuSE 10.2 on my desktop computer and somehow I started a
> rescue CD program (http://www.sysresccd.org) that covers my desktop
> with a text program.  I can't figure out how to shut it off and get
> back to my Gnome desktop.  Any help would be great.  Thanks.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>   


From robarooney at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 15:09:27 2009
From: robarooney at gmail.com (Rob Miller)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:09:27 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] n00bie n33ds h3lp
In-Reply-To: <4A2977B0.3000908@gmail.com>
References: <1a1c07bd0906051145n395785dfw35947adbbd918d79@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A2977B0.3000908@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1a1c07bd0906051309p589ab1f0rf8f75723ad0e63ca@mail.gmail.com>

Nothing happens when I do "alt-f7".  Thanks for the idea.

Here's the last line of the program on the screen.

root at sysresccd /root # _

Does this help?

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Jeff Chapin <chapinjeff at gmail.com> wrote:

> Does hitting Alt-F7 fix it?
>
> Jeff
>
>
> Rob Miller wrote:
> > I'm running SuSE 10.2 on my desktop computer and somehow I started a
> > rescue CD program (http://www.sysresccd.org) that covers my desktop
> > with a text program.  I can't figure out how to shut it off and get
> > back to my Gnome desktop.  Any help would be great.  Thanks.
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cialug mailing list
> > Cialug at cialug.org
> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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From krbailey at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 15:13:41 2009
From: krbailey at gmail.com (Kendall Bailey)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:13:41 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] n00bie n33ds h3lp
In-Reply-To: <1a1c07bd0906051309p589ab1f0rf8f75723ad0e63ca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1a1c07bd0906051145n395785dfw35947adbbd918d79@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A2977B0.3000908@gmail.com>
	<1a1c07bd0906051309p589ab1f0rf8f75723ad0e63ca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e03c6bae0906051313i65a7cc66pf7d7a092373a28c8@mail.gmail.com>

Maybe he meant Ctrl-Alt-F7.  If what you are looking at is one of the
virtual tty terminals, and X is still running on tty7, then
Ctrl-Alt-F7 should return you to it.

But it sounds like your rebooted into a LiveCD.  To reboot again, you
could try to type "shutdown -r now" at the command prompt, and make
sure the LiveCD is out.

Kendall

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Rob Miller<robarooney at gmail.com> wrote:
> Nothing happens when I do "alt-f7".? Thanks for the idea.
>
> Here's the last line of the program on the screen.
>
> root at sysresccd /root # _
>
> Does this help?
>
> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Jeff Chapin <chapinjeff at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Does hitting Alt-F7 fix it?
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>> Rob Miller wrote:
>> > I'm running SuSE 10.2 on my desktop computer and somehow I started a
>> > rescue CD program (http://www.sysresccd.org) that covers my desktop
>> > with a text program. ?I can't figure out how to shut it off and get
>> > back to my Gnome desktop. ?Any help would be great. ?Thanks.
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Cialug mailing list
>> > Cialug at cialug.org
>> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>> >
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cialug mailing list
>> Cialug at cialug.org
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
>

From ka_klick at mac.com  Fri Jun  5 15:15:50 2009
From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 15:15:50 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] n00bie n33ds h3lp
In-Reply-To: <1a1c07bd0906051309p589ab1f0rf8f75723ad0e63ca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1a1c07bd0906051145n395785dfw35947adbbd918d79@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A2977B0.3000908@gmail.com>
	<1a1c07bd0906051309p589ab1f0rf8f75723ad0e63ca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1E80E20D-5AD3-4C3C-91AE-4FA684116BF6@mac.com>

um, is there a CD in the drive - it looks like it's actually been  
rebooted into a rescue environment running from CD.
If there is a CD in the drive, try taking it out and rebooting (as  
long as there's nothing open you need).
SOunds just like a normal system prompt to me.

On Jun 5, 2009, at 3:09 PM, Rob Miller wrote:
> Nothing happens when I do "alt-f7".  Thanks for the idea.
>
> Here's the last line of the program on the screen.
>
> root at sysresccd /root # _
>
> Does this help?
>
> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Jeff Chapin <chapinjeff at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
> Does hitting Alt-F7 fix it?
>
> Jeff
>
>
> Rob Miller wrote:
> > I'm running SuSE 10.2 on my desktop computer and somehow I started a
> > rescue CD program (http://www.sysresccd.org) that covers my desktop
> > with a text program.  I can't figure out how to shut it off and get
> > back to my Gnome desktop.  Any help would be great.  Thanks.
> >
> >  
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cialug mailing list
> > Cialug at cialug.org
> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug

--
Bryan "ka-klick" Baker
Singer/Songwriter
ka-klick at ka-klick.com
http://ka-klick.com
http://twitter.com/ka_klick <-- Twitter Feed




From cwfreeman at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 15:29:48 2009
From: cwfreeman at gmail.com (Chris Freeman)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:29:48 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Pre
In-Reply-To: <9089dcd30906051226j460c49bdk7fb840e059a2f76@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f6138220905311405u217a20e2o3e80f1dfd44f32c8@mail.gmail.com>
	<9089dcd30906031247p468814a4qcce138c689cb1e3@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A26D5B2.4090609@dchamp.net>
	<f3c0b4080906031305kf3f2995ob01703754f86f9c5@mail.gmail.com>
	<3afd8deb0906031444n57c75817t4d48d0822f802ec7@mail.gmail.com>
	<9089dcd30906031537i2cc1340av870fe8b4189e31b5@mail.gmail.com>
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	<9089dcd30906040948v47f17d57p8306275a85c1c5e0@mail.gmail.com>
	<96857C53-8EE0-46A7-B731-71F199EA52DA@robfreiburger.com>
	<9089dcd30906051226j460c49bdk7fb840e059a2f76@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3afd8deb0906051329o6a110f07hfa1d7581a63d2c0@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Brandon Griffis<brandongriffis at gmail.com> wrote:
> Na.  From what I heard everyone was interested from day 1.  AT&T was just
> able to *afford* them (mostly by overcharging their customers).  Apple got
> massively greater kickbacks from AT&T for the exclusivity.  Esp on the 1st
> gen iPhone.
>
> -B

If I recall, Apple was only talking with Cingular (who of course got
bought by AT&T before the deal was complete) and Verizon. According to
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2007/7/04/how-att-picked-up-the-iphone-a-brief-history-of-mobiles/,
Verizon turned Apple down as they wanted more power in the
relationship.

Chris

From icepuck2k at mchsi.com  Fri Jun  5 19:00:23 2009
From: icepuck2k at mchsi.com (icepuck2k at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 00:00:23 +0000
Subject: [Cialug]  email address
In-Reply-To: <9089dcd30906051226j460c49bdk7fb840e059a2f76@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f6138220905311405u217a20e2o3e80f1dfd44f32c8@mail.gmail.com><e1d8c6520905311716n7e8259b8p9041a88c7e12f9aa@mail.gmail.com><9089dcd30906031247p468814a4qcce138c689cb1e3@mail.gmail.com><4A26D5B2.4090609@dchamp.net><f3c0b4080906031305kf3f2995ob01703754f86f9c5@mail.gmail.com><3afd8deb0906031444n57c75817t4d48d0822f802ec7@mail.gmail.com><9089dcd30906031537i2cc1340av870fe8b4189e31b5@mail.gmail.com><4A271266.50405@eric.nu><9089dcd30906040948v47f17d57p8306275a85c1c5e0@mail.gmail.com><96857C53-8EE0-46A7-B731-71F199EA52DA@robfreiburger.com>
	<9089dcd30906051226j460c49bdk7fb840e059a2f76@mail.gmail.com>
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 How do I change my email address for this list?
-dh
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From kevin at linuxsmith.com  Fri Jun  5 19:07:13 2009
From: kevin at linuxsmith.com (Kevin C. Smith)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 19:07:13 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] email address
In-Reply-To: <060620090000.21145.4A29B196000D35FC00005299223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF05CD050C9A9F0A0C07@mchsi.com>
References: <f6138220905311405u217a20e2o3e80f1dfd44f32c8@mail.gmail.com><e1d8c6520905311716n7e8259b8p9041a88c7e12f9aa@mail.gmail.com><9089dcd30906031247p468814a4qcce138c689cb1e3@mail.gmail.com><4A26D5B2.4090609@dchamp.net><f3c0b4080906031305kf3f2995ob01703754f86f9c5@mail.gmail.com><3afd8deb0906031444n57c75817t4d48d0822f802ec7@mail.gmail.com><9089dcd30906031537i2cc1340av870fe8b4189e31b5@mail.gmail.com><4A271266.50405@eric.nu><9089dcd30906040948v47f17d57p8306275a85c1c5e0@mail.gmail.com><96857C53-8EE0-46A7-B731-71F199EA52DA@robfreiburger.com>	<9089dcd30906051226j460c49bdk7fb840e059a2f76@mail.gmail.com>
	<060620090000.21145.4A29B196000D35FC00005299223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF05CD050C9A9F0A0C07@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <4A29B331.80108@linuxsmith.com>

The link below.

http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug


icepuck2k at mchsi.com wrote:
> 
>  
> How do I change my email address for this list?
> -dh
> 
> 
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From robarooney at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 22:29:46 2009
From: robarooney at gmail.com (Rob Miller)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 22:29:46 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] n00bie n33ds h3lp
In-Reply-To: <1E80E20D-5AD3-4C3C-91AE-4FA684116BF6@mac.com>
References: <1a1c07bd0906051145n395785dfw35947adbbd918d79@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A2977B0.3000908@gmail.com>
	<1a1c07bd0906051309p589ab1f0rf8f75723ad0e63ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<1E80E20D-5AD3-4C3C-91AE-4FA684116BF6@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1a1c07bd0906052029p59bd1962k67a856f8cc0cc77e@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, but there's no CD.  I had the iso or something on my desktop and
somehow I launched this.  I'll go down and try the control-alt-F7 and
"shutdown -r now".  Then, I'll report back to list.

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Bryan Baker <ka_klick at mac.com> wrote:

> um, is there a CD in the drive - it looks like it's actually been
> rebooted into a rescue environment running from CD.
> If there is a CD in the drive, try taking it out and rebooting (as
> long as there's nothing open you need).
> SOunds just like a normal system prompt to me.
>
> On Jun 5, 2009, at 3:09 PM, Rob Miller wrote:
> > Nothing happens when I do "alt-f7".  Thanks for the idea.
> >
> > Here's the last line of the program on the screen.
> >
> > root at sysresccd /root # _
> >
> > Does this help?
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Jeff Chapin <chapinjeff at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > Does hitting Alt-F7 fix it?
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> > Rob Miller wrote:
> > > I'm running SuSE 10.2 on my desktop computer and somehow I started a
> > > rescue CD program (http://www.sysresccd.org) that covers my desktop
> > > with a text program.  I can't figure out how to shut it off and get
> > > back to my Gnome desktop.  Any help would be great.  Thanks.
> > >
> > >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Cialug mailing list
> > > Cialug at cialug.org
> > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Cialug at cialug.org
> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
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From robarooney at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 22:44:27 2009
From: robarooney at gmail.com (Rob Miller)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 22:44:27 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Thanks from the Noob !!!
Message-ID: <1a1c07bd0906052044m422fa1eenea5bce9ad98e0210@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to Jeff, Kendall, and Bryan who answered my request for help.

Control - Alt - F7 did NOT work but the "shutdown -r now" did the trick ...

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From robarooney at gmail.com  Sat Jun  6 15:55:47 2009
From: robarooney at gmail.com (Rob Miller)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 15:55:47 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] One more h3lp qu3stion about TomBoy
Message-ID: <1a1c07bd0906061355v31d441ffp9624d992c4caeaa4@mail.gmail.com>

I've been using Tomboy a lot on my desktop machine (SuSE 10.2) but now I'd
like to move all my notes to my laptop (Ubuntu 9.04).  Is there a data file
somewhere that I can copy?  Thanks.
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From kevin at linuxsmith.com  Sat Jun  6 19:46:25 2009
From: kevin at linuxsmith.com (Kevin C. Smith)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 19:46:25 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] One more h3lp qu3stion about TomBoy
In-Reply-To: <1a1c07bd0906061355v31d441ffp9624d992c4caeaa4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1a1c07bd0906061355v31d441ffp9624d992c4caeaa4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A2B0DE1.2090201@linuxsmith.com>

Rob Miller wrote:
> I've been using Tomboy a lot on my desktop machine (SuSE 10.2) but now
> I'd like to move all my notes to my laptop (Ubuntu 9.04).  Is there a
> data file somewhere that I can copy?  Thanks.

Just copy the .tomboy directory; it's all in there.

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From cmlburnett at gmail.com  Sun Jun  7 19:21:16 2009
From: cmlburnett at gmail.com (Colin Burnett)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 19:21:16 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] ALSA, intel8x0, and controlling digital volume
Message-ID: <e3686ee50906071721w7130bd4em73ff514ae3c4d423@mail.gmail.com>

I've had this box for some time now and have never bothered to figure
this out.  I've got an nvidia CK804 AC97 audio chipset on gentoo.
ALSA is set up for intel8x0 with nothing special for a config.  It all
"works".  That said, what I would like is the master volume to control
the digital output (i.e., IEC958) in addition to the PCM output
otherwise the analog out to my monitor speakers don't volume track the
digital out to my receiver.

(My usual solution around this is to do `mplayer -af volume=8` or
whatever to adjust the digital out and adjust analog to fill nicely.)

Any one know the answer or have a clue?


Colin

From nfox at foxmediasystems.com  Sun Jun  7 19:42:32 2009
From: nfox at foxmediasystems.com (Nick Fox)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 19:42:32 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] ALSA, intel8x0, and controlling digital volume
In-Reply-To: <e3686ee50906071721w7130bd4em73ff514ae3c4d423@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e3686ee50906071721w7130bd4em73ff514ae3c4d423@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A2C5E78.10603@foxmediasystems.com>

I am not exactly sure on this, but you should be able to just set your 
default PCM to the iec958. This is usually done inside your .asoundrc 
and .asoundrc.asoundconf if i recall.

-Nick

Colin Burnett wrote:
> I've had this box for some time now and have never bothered to figure
> this out.  I've got an nvidia CK804 AC97 audio chipset on gentoo.
> ALSA is set up for intel8x0 with nothing special for a config.  It all
> "works".  That said, what I would like is the master volume to control
> the digital output (i.e., IEC958) in addition to the PCM output
> otherwise the analog out to my monitor speakers don't volume track the
> digital out to my receiver.
>
> (My usual solution around this is to do `mplayer -af volume=8` or
> whatever to adjust the digital out and adjust analog to fill nicely.)
>
> Any one know the answer or have a clue?
>
>
> Colin
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Fox Media Systems, LLC
Owner / President
1338 57th St.
Des Moines, IA 50311
www.foxmediasystems.com


From newz at bearfruit.org  Mon Jun  8 10:21:28 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 10:21:28 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Ubuntu server's new UI
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080906080821q6d29c1c9r5dc7b963b5db80d2@mail.gmail.com>

Just installed Ubuntu Server 9.04 on my server. Interestingly, it now
ships with screen profiles which provide a UI for Ubuntu server. It
shows you cpu usage, a list of open windows, server time and date and
some other interesting details. You can even install it by default so
that it loads automatically. There are a couple different profiles
actually, I've used the dark one so far.

https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/serverguide/C/screen-profiles.html

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter

From eric at eric.nu  Mon Jun  8 10:27:50 2009
From: eric at eric.nu (Eric Junker)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 10:27:50 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Ubuntu server's new UI
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4080906080821q6d29c1c9r5dc7b963b5db80d2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f3c0b4080906080821q6d29c1c9r5dc7b963b5db80d2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A2D2DF6.8090905@eric.nu>

Matthew Nuzum wrote:
> Just installed Ubuntu Server 9.04 on my server. Interestingly, it now
> ships with screen profiles which provide a UI for Ubuntu server.

If you aren't using Ubuntu or not on 9.04 yet, you can grab the source 
here (screenshots included): https://launchpad.net/byobu

Eric

From tdwalton at gmail.com  Thu Jun 11 12:11:43 2009
From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:11:43 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Desktop Linux
Message-ID: <e1d8c6520906111011t21c003f5pd777b8401bec084c@mail.gmail.com>

At http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10260478-16.html Matt Asay says:

"This is the state of "desktop" Linux today: it really has nothing
left to prove. It took years to become user friendly, but it has
arrived, helped along by the world's move to browser-based computing.
At this point, the only thing that Fedora and the other Linux
distributions can do is embrace and extend the Windows or Mac
computing experience, because they've largely matched them (especially
Windows)."

I disagree with this on several points.

First, browser-based computing has not helped Linux to become
user-friendly.  If it's helped anything, it's been to make the
user-friendliness of the operating system a moot point.

Second, even in the context of the rest of the article, this is almost
a slap in the face to all the *hard* work that Red Hat and Ubuntu and
others have put into making a user-friendly open source desktop.  We'd
be nowhere without them, no matter how shiny Mozilla or Opera made
their browsers.  Perhaps Mr Asay could use a screenshot of days past
as a reminder.

Third, if "embrace and extend" means to make a better Windows, then I
don't agree.  It's unrealistic to expect Linux to completely dream up
a brand new user interface; people know the Windows paradigm and they
have work to do.  But open source has the flexibility and speed to
*own* the desktop user experience.  *We* should be setting the
standard that Mac and Windows will follow.  Rather than embracing the
model they present, the Linux community would do well to feel
ownership of the desktop experience and to treat it as their own slate
to draw on.

--
Todd

From jim.asbille at gmail.com  Thu Jun 11 13:11:56 2009
From: jim.asbille at gmail.com (Jim Asbille)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:11:56 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Desktop Linux
In-Reply-To: <e1d8c6520906111011t21c003f5pd777b8401bec084c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e1d8c6520906111011t21c003f5pd777b8401bec084c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <60fcb45d0906111111o52b003c6l3d6fea827f1aff72@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Todd Walton <tdwalton at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Third, if "embrace and extend" means to make a better Windows, then I
> don't agree.  It's unrealistic to expect Linux to completely dream up
> a brand new user interface; people know the Windows paradigm and they
> have work to do.  But open source has the flexibility and speed to
> *own* the desktop user experience.  *We* should be setting the
> standard that Mac and Windows will follow.  Rather than embracing the
> model they present, the Linux community would do well to feel
> ownership of the desktop experience and to treat it as their own slate
> to draw on.
>
>

Well said, I don't want a "Windows" experience.  I want a better experience
and I have found that with Linux.

-- 
Jim Asbille, MSM
registered Linux user number 388067

"There's no place like 127.0.0.1."
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From newz at bearfruit.org  Thu Jun 11 13:51:47 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:51:47 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Desktop Linux
In-Reply-To: <e1d8c6520906111011t21c003f5pd777b8401bec084c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e1d8c6520906111011t21c003f5pd777b8401bec084c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080906111151p35530ff7j50037e63a7d254e0@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Todd Walton<tdwalton at gmail.com> wrote:
> First, browser-based computing has not helped Linux to become
> user-friendly. ?If it's helped anything, it's been to make the
> user-friendliness of the operating system a moot point.

I don't disagree with your point one bit, but the fact that more and
more people are using the web browser as not only their main, but in
many cases their only desktop application has allowed people to choose
which desktop OS they want. The OS for many is just a set of drivers
that sit between their digital camera and flickr.

An interesting side note, the other day (actually, longer than that,
maybe a month or two ago) I got a little bit upset because a
salesperson at Best Buy was telling a customer they should not
consider buying a Linux based netbook that was $40 cheaper because it
didn't have Windows. His reasoning? They don't even sell antivirus
software for it!

That sounds laughable at first but it reveals some motivations or
views that are slowing Linux adoption. Best Buy and other consumer
electronics stores don't make much money on computer sales. Margin's
are tight. Instead, they profit when people buy add-ons like
warranties, cables and software. When you think about it this way,
Linux is a major threat to their profitability. They have a thriving
business built around the web NOT being the OS.

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter

From jim.asbille at gmail.com  Thu Jun 11 15:28:13 2009
From: jim.asbille at gmail.com (Jim Asbille)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:28:13 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Desktop Linux
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4080906111151p35530ff7j50037e63a7d254e0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e1d8c6520906111011t21c003f5pd777b8401bec084c@mail.gmail.com>
	<f3c0b4080906111151p35530ff7j50037e63a7d254e0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <60fcb45d0906111328xb3b3f32yddd7842ec59be15d@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:

>
> salesperson at Best Buy was telling a customer they should not
> consider buying a Linux based netbook that was $40 cheaper because it
> didn't have Windows. His reasoning? They don't even sell antivirus
> software for it!
>

Not to mention how people with little to no understanding pass themselves
off as experts and mislead the public who desperately need expertise.

-- 
Jim Asbille, MSM
registered Linux user number 388067

"There's no place like 127.0.0.1."
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From lowmaine at mchsi.com  Fri Jun 12 19:24:42 2009
From: lowmaine at mchsi.com (Randle Boyd)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 00:24:42 +0000
Subject: [Cialug] OT Robotics
Message-ID: <061320090024.17791.4A32F1CA00084C300000457F223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A02070E03990104@mchsi.com>

Every once in a while, I see something about a robotics competition for middle/high school kids in the Des Moines area.  Are there any events or organizations for adults in the Des Moines area?

Cheers,
Randle
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From jerry at heiselman.com  Fri Jun 12 20:03:59 2009
From: jerry at heiselman.com (Jerry Heiselman)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:03:59 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT Robotics
In-Reply-To: <061320090024.17791.4A32F1CA00084C300000457F223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A02070E03990104@mchsi.com>
References: <061320090024.17791.4A32F1CA00084C300000457F223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A02070E03990104@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <45a88bbd0906121803v6c5ff0f8n4c13b393d922bd38@mail.gmail.com>

I would love to find something like that for adults. Alas, I haven't
found much around here.

On 6/12/09, Randle Boyd <lowmaine at mchsi.com> wrote:
> Every once in a while, I see something about a robotics competition for
> middle/high school kids in the Des Moines area.  Are there any events or
> organizations for adults in the Des Moines area?
>
> Cheers,
> Randle
>


-- 
Jerry

From icepuck2k at gmail.com  Fri Jun 12 22:22:45 2009
From: icepuck2k at gmail.com (Dan Hockey)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 22:22:45 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT Robotics
In-Reply-To: <45a88bbd0906121803v6c5ff0f8n4c13b393d922bd38@mail.gmail.com>
References: <061320090024.17791.4A32F1CA00084C300000457F223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A02070E03990104@mchsi.com>
	<45a88bbd0906121803v6c5ff0f8n4c13b393d922bd38@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9D2C805F2B8640BC8EC9BDEF452A713A@toshibauser>

There's the ISU Robotics Club but it's not open to outsiders.
http://nukelab1.student.iastate.edu/
then there's http://kansascityrobotics.org/
Of course there isn't anything here in DM.
The other thought is why not start one? I have some legos and a Hero1(Nov
1987) and it still works!
www.ciarug.org would be kind of cool;=)
-dan 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On
> Behalf Of Jerry Heiselman
> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 8:04 PM
> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] OT Robotics
> 
> I would love to find something like that for adults. Alas, I haven't
> found much around here.
> 
> On 6/12/09, Randle Boyd <lowmaine at mchsi.com> wrote:
> > Every once in a while, I see something about a robotics competition for
> > middle/high school kids in the Des Moines area.  Are there any events or
> > organizations for adults in the Des Moines area?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Randle
> >
> 
> 
> --
> Jerry
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug


From cwfreeman at gmail.com  Sat Jun 13 09:32:44 2009
From: cwfreeman at gmail.com (Chris Freeman)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 09:32:44 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT Robotics
In-Reply-To: <9D2C805F2B8640BC8EC9BDEF452A713A@toshibauser>
References: <061320090024.17791.4A32F1CA00084C300000457F223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A02070E03990104@mchsi.com>
	<45a88bbd0906121803v6c5ff0f8n4c13b393d922bd38@mail.gmail.com>
	<9D2C805F2B8640BC8EC9BDEF452A713A@toshibauser>
Message-ID: <3afd8deb0906130732u3493ffb3g6e39385402524852@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Dan Hockey<icepuck2k at gmail.com> wrote:
> There's the ISU Robotics Club but it's not open to outsiders.
> http://nukelab1.student.iastate.edu/
> then there's http://kansascityrobotics.org/
> Of course there isn't anything here in DM.
> The other thought is why not start one? I have some legos and a Hero1(Nov
> 1987) and it still works!
> www.ciarug.org would be kind of cool;=)
> -dan

Hero1 brings back memories from my youth. Does it still work?

Chris

From leemhenderson at gmail.com  Sat Jun 13 19:04:29 2009
From: leemhenderson at gmail.com (Lee Henderson)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 19:04:29 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT Robotics
In-Reply-To: <9D2C805F2B8640BC8EC9BDEF452A713A@toshibauser>
References: <061320090024.17791.4A32F1CA00084C300000457F223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A02070E03990104@mchsi.com>
	<45a88bbd0906121803v6c5ff0f8n4c13b393d922bd38@mail.gmail.com>
	<9D2C805F2B8640BC8EC9BDEF452A713A@toshibauser>
Message-ID: <f6138220906131704r13cd06c7r7027bb791d71182@mail.gmail.com>

I would be quite interested in such a group. I'm a robotics enthusiast
myself and I'm sure there are more of us in the area. In fact I'm gettng my
daughters interested at an early age (4 and 5).

On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Dan Hockey <icepuck2k at gmail.com> wrote:

> There's the ISU Robotics Club but it's not open to outsiders.
> http://nukelab1.student.iastate.edu/
> then there's http://kansascityrobotics.org/
> Of course there isn't anything here in DM.
> The other thought is why not start one? I have some legos and a Hero1(Nov
> 1987) and it still works!
> www.ciarug.org would be kind of cool;=)
> -dan
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On
> > Behalf Of Jerry Heiselman
> > Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 8:04 PM
> > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
> > Subject: Re: [Cialug] OT Robotics
> >
> > I would love to find something like that for adults. Alas, I haven't
> > found much around here.
> >
> > On 6/12/09, Randle Boyd <lowmaine at mchsi.com> wrote:
> > > Every once in a while, I see something about a robotics competition for
> > > middle/high school kids in the Des Moines area.  Are there any events
> or
> > > organizations for adults in the Des Moines area?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Randle
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jerry
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cialug mailing list
> > Cialug at cialug.org
> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
> _______________________________________________
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From newz at bearfruit.org  Sat Jun 13 20:19:08 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 20:19:08 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT Robotics
In-Reply-To: <f6138220906131704r13cd06c7r7027bb791d71182@mail.gmail.com>
References: <061320090024.17791.4A32F1CA00084C300000457F223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A02070E03990104@mchsi.com>
	<45a88bbd0906121803v6c5ff0f8n4c13b393d922bd38@mail.gmail.com>
	<9D2C805F2B8640BC8EC9BDEF452A713A@toshibauser>
	<f6138220906131704r13cd06c7r7027bb791d71182@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080906131819n4e8ef79dtb2ebb5b88702f5d3@mail.gmail.com>

I too would be interested in participating or helping with such a
group. Especially if it were family friendly and didn't meet on
Wednesdays.

I have a big vex robotics set, several kits and some micro controllers
like bs2, pic and arduino. And an 8 year old.

Should we set a date for early to mid July for an interest meeting so
that we can spread the word to see who would want to participate?

On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Lee Henderson<leemhenderson at gmail.com> wrote:
> I would be quite interested in such a group.?I'm a robotics enthusiast
> myself and I'm sure there are more of us in the area. In fact I'm gettng my
> daughters interested at an early age (4 and 5).
>
> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Dan Hockey <icepuck2k at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> There's the ISU Robotics Club but it's not open to outsiders.
>> http://nukelab1.student.iastate.edu/
>> then there's http://kansascityrobotics.org/
>> Of course there isn't anything here in DM.
>> The other thought is why not start one? I have some legos and a Hero1(Nov
>> 1987) and it still works!
>> www.ciarug.org would be kind of cool;=)
>> -dan
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On
>> > Behalf Of Jerry Heiselman
>> > Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 8:04 PM
>> > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
>> > Subject: Re: [Cialug] OT Robotics
>> >
>> > I would love to find something like that for adults. Alas, I haven't
>> > found much around here.
>> >
>> > On 6/12/09, Randle Boyd <lowmaine at mchsi.com> wrote:
>> > > Every once in a while, I see something about a robotics competition
>> > > for
>> > > middle/high school kids in the Des Moines area. ?Are there any events
>> > > or
>> > > organizations for adults in the Des Moines area?
>> > >
>> > > Cheers,
>> > > Randle
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Jerry
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>> > Cialug at cialug.org
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From icepuck2k at gmail.com  Sat Jun 13 21:51:38 2009
From: icepuck2k at gmail.com (Dan Hockey)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 21:51:38 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT Robotics
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On
> Behalf Of Chris Freeman
> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 9:33 AM
> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] OT Robotics
> 
> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Dan Hockey<icepuck2k at gmail.com> wrote:
> > There's the ISU Robotics Club but it's not open to outsiders.
> > http://nukelab1.student.iastate.edu/
> > then there's http://kansascityrobotics.org/
> > Of course there isn't anything here in DM.
> > The other thought is why not start one? I have some legos and a
> Hero1(Nov
> > 1987) and it still works!
> > www.ciarug.org would be kind of cool;=)
> > -dan
> 
> Hero1 brings back memories from my youth. Does it still work?
> 
IT still works and it got some upgrades least year with a reproduction
memory expansion and serial port. Here's the guy that now has the copyrights
to the hero robots and makes some replacement parts and upgrades.
Robert Doerr's web site... http://www.robotswanted.com/
-dh


From icepuck2k at gmail.com  Sat Jun 13 22:17:36 2009
From: icepuck2k at gmail.com (Dan Hockey)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 22:17:36 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT Robotics
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4080906131819n4e8ef79dtb2ebb5b88702f5d3@mail.gmail.com>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On
> Behalf Of Matthew Nuzum
> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 8:19 PM
> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] OT Robotics
> 
> I too would be interested in participating or helping with such a
> group. Especially if it were family friendly and didn't meet on
> Wednesdays.
> 
> I have a big vex robotics set, several kits and some micro controllers
> like bs2, pic and arduino. And an 8 year old.
> 
> Should we set a date for early to mid July for an interest meeting so
> that we can spread the word to see who would want to participate?
> 
What should the knowledge/skill level be of such a group?
Age of the humans involved, adults(some child like) or children.
-homebrew/home built 
--simple,complex, does it run an OS?
-kits and rtr bots or legos
--simple or complex

Maybe the above could be the subject of the first meeting?
Not very many people own a 22yr old Hero1 that still works, so the newer
stuff maybe the way to go, basic stamps, AVRs, ARMs, ITX boards and any
thing else I can't think of at this moment...
-dh


From leemhenderson at gmail.com  Sun Jun 14 08:03:49 2009
From: leemhenderson at gmail.com (Lee Henderson)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 08:03:49 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT Robotics
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>
>
> What should the knowledge/skill level be of such a group?
> Age of the humans involved, adults(some child like) or children.
> -homebrew/home built
> --simple,complex, does it run an OS?
> -kits and rtr bots or legos
> --simple or complex
>
> Maybe the above could be the subject of the first meeting?
> Not very many people own a 22yr old Hero1 that still works, so the newer
> stuff maybe the way to go, basic stamps, AVRs, ARMs, ITX boards and any
> thing else I can't think of at this moment...
> -dh
>
>
>

As this sort of thing seems not to exist locally, I think leaving it
completely platform independent is a good idea. I'm available in the
evenings or during the day on most weekends. Lets throw some dates out and
see what sticks. I'll start... July 2nd.

Lee Henderson
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From jerry at heiselman.com  Sun Jun 14 08:20:21 2009
From: jerry at heiselman.com (Jerry Heiselman)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 08:20:21 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT Robotics
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I'd like to propose July 9th. Doing the whole camping thing for the
4th weekend.

On 6/14/09, Lee Henderson <leemhenderson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> What should the knowledge/skill level be of such a group?
>> Age of the humans involved, adults(some child like) or children.
>> -homebrew/home built
>> --simple,complex, does it run an OS?
>> -kits and rtr bots or legos
>> --simple or complex
>>
>> Maybe the above could be the subject of the first meeting?
>> Not very many people own a 22yr old Hero1 that still works, so the newer
>> stuff maybe the way to go, basic stamps, AVRs, ARMs, ITX boards and any
>> thing else I can't think of at this moment...
>> -dh
>>
>>
>>
>
> As this sort of thing seems not to exist locally, I think leaving it
> completely platform independent is a good idea. I'm available in the
> evenings or during the day on most weekends. Lets throw some dates out and
> see what sticks. I'll start... July 2nd.
>
> Lee Henderson
>


-- 
Jerry

From newz at bearfruit.org  Sun Jun 14 08:59:25 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 08:59:25 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT Robotics
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Yeah, 9th would work better for me too, I'm taking a long weekend for the
4th.

On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Jerry Heiselman <jerry at heiselman.com>wrote:

> I'd like to propose July 9th. Doing the whole camping thing for the
> 4th weekend.
>
> On 6/14/09, Lee Henderson <leemhenderson at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> What should the knowledge/skill level be of such a group?
> >> Age of the humans involved, adults(some child like) or children.
> >> -homebrew/home built
> >> --simple,complex, does it run an OS?
> >> -kits and rtr bots or legos
> >> --simple or complex
> >>
> >> Maybe the above could be the subject of the first meeting?
> >> Not very many people own a 22yr old Hero1 that still works, so the newer
> >> stuff maybe the way to go, basic stamps, AVRs, ARMs, ITX boards and any
> >> thing else I can't think of at this moment...
> >> -dh
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > As this sort of thing seems not to exist locally, I think leaving it
> > completely platform independent is a good idea. I'm available in the
> > evenings or during the day on most weekends. Lets throw some dates out
> and
> > see what sticks. I'll start... July 2nd.
> >
> > Lee Henderson
> >
>
>
> --
> Jerry
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>



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From leemhenderson at gmail.com  Sun Jun 14 16:23:17 2009
From: leemhenderson at gmail.com (Lee Henderson)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 16:23:17 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT Robotics
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The 9th should work for me so long as it will be an evening thing.

On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:

> Yeah, 9th would work better for me too, I'm taking a long weekend for the
> 4th.
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Jerry Heiselman <jerry at heiselman.com>wrote:
>
>> I'd like to propose July 9th. Doing the whole camping thing for the
>> 4th weekend.
>>
>> On 6/14/09, Lee Henderson <leemhenderson at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> What should the knowledge/skill level be of such a group?
>> >> Age of the humans involved, adults(some child like) or children.
>> >> -homebrew/home built
>> >> --simple,complex, does it run an OS?
>> >> -kits and rtr bots or legos
>> >> --simple or complex
>> >>
>> >> Maybe the above could be the subject of the first meeting?
>> >> Not very many people own a 22yr old Hero1 that still works, so the
>> newer
>> >> stuff maybe the way to go, basic stamps, AVRs, ARMs, ITX boards and any
>> >> thing else I can't think of at this moment...
>> >> -dh
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > As this sort of thing seems not to exist locally, I think leaving it
>> > completely platform independent is a good idea. I'm available in the
>> > evenings or during the day on most weekends. Lets throw some dates out
>> and
>> > see what sticks. I'll start... July 2nd.
>> >
>> > Lee Henderson
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jerry
>>  _______________________________________________
>> Cialug mailing list
>> Cialug at cialug.org
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>
>
>
>
>  --
> Matthew Nuzum
> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
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From lathrop at prestonfam.org  Sun Jun 14 17:07:01 2009
From: lathrop at prestonfam.org (Lathrop Preston)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 17:07:01 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT Robotics
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Sorry to chime in late. I just got back from camping myself. I've been
getting very interested in robotics recently (my youngest brother is
on his school FIRST robotics team) July 9 would be good for me. My
thought is we should start broad and not restrict out potential
members based on tech level or age or platfrom.
Laith
On Sunday, June 14, 2009, Lee Henderson <leemhenderson at gmail.com> wrote:
> The 9th should work for me so long as it will be an evening thing.
>
> On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:
> Yeah, 9th would work better for me too, I'm taking a long weekend for the 4th.
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Jerry Heiselman <jerry at heiselman.com> wrote:
> I'd like to propose July 9th. Doing the whole camping thing for the
> 4th weekend.
>
>
>
> On 6/14/09, Lee Henderson <leemhenderson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> What should the knowledge/skill level be of such a group?
>>> Age of the humans involved, adults(some child like) or children.
>>> -homebrew/home built
>>> --simple,complex, does it run an OS?
>>> -kits and rtr bots or legos
>>> --simple or complex
>>>
>>> Maybe the above could be the subject of the first meeting?
>>> Not very many people own a 22yr old Hero1 that still works, so the newer
>>> stuff maybe the way to go, basic stamps, AVRs, ARMs, ITX boards and any
>>> thing else I can't think of at this moment...
>>> -dh
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> As this sort of thing seems not to exist locally, I think leaving it
>> completely platform independent is a good idea. I'm available in the
>> evenings or during the day on most weekends. Lets throw some dates out and
>> see what sticks. I'll start... July 2nd.
>>
>> Lee Henderson
>>
>
>
> --
> Jerry
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Matthew Nuzum
> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
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>
>
>

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=====================================
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From leemhenderson at gmail.com  Sun Jun 14 19:25:37 2009
From: leemhenderson at gmail.com (Lee Henderson)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 19:25:37 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT Robotics
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I put together a quick Google Group for us to move our conversation to,
assuming everyones interested of course. I'll send invites. If anyone else
out there would like to join just let me know in this thread.

Lee Henderson

On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Lathrop Preston <lathrop at prestonfam.org>wrote:

> Sorry to chime in late. I just got back from camping myself. I've been
> getting very interested in robotics recently (my youngest brother is
> on his school FIRST robotics team) July 9 would be good for me. My
> thought is we should start broad and not restrict out potential
> members based on tech level or age or platfrom.
> Laith
>  On Sunday, June 14, 2009, Lee Henderson <leemhenderson at gmail.com> wrote:
> > The 9th should work for me so long as it will be an evening thing.
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org>
> wrote:
> > Yeah, 9th would work better for me too, I'm taking a long weekend for the
> 4th.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Jerry Heiselman <jerry at heiselman.com>
> wrote:
> > I'd like to propose July 9th. Doing the whole camping thing for the
> > 4th weekend.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 6/14/09, Lee Henderson <leemhenderson at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> What should the knowledge/skill level be of such a group?
> >>> Age of the humans involved, adults(some child like) or children.
> >>> -homebrew/home built
> >>> --simple,complex, does it run an OS?
> >>> -kits and rtr bots or legos
> >>> --simple or complex
> >>>
> >>> Maybe the above could be the subject of the first meeting?
> >>> Not very many people own a 22yr old Hero1 that still works, so the
> newer
> >>> stuff maybe the way to go, basic stamps, AVRs, ARMs, ITX boards and any
> >>> thing else I can't think of at this moment...
> >>> -dh
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> As this sort of thing seems not to exist locally, I think leaving it
> >> completely platform independent is a good idea. I'm available in the
> >> evenings or during the day on most weekends. Lets throw some dates out
> and
> >> see what sticks. I'll start... July 2nd.
> >>
> >> Lee Henderson
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jerry
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cialug mailing list
> > Cialug at cialug.org
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> >
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From murraymckee at wellsfargo.com  Mon Jun 15 08:48:27 2009
From: murraymckee at wellsfargo.com (murraymckee at wellsfargo.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 08:48:27 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT Robotics
In-Reply-To: <f6138220906141725j4a61c04fpc3dbb5d8ff4c6ea4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <061320090024.17791.4A32F1CA00084C300000457F223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A02070E03990104@mchsi.com>
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	<f3c0b4080906131819n4e8ef79dtb2ebb5b88702f5d3@mail.gmail.com>
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	<f6138220906140603p20ca4c3dy79820d271ac16148@mail.gmail.com>
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	<f3c0b4080906140659q1913ee91qb13a8bbd8e69cd43@mail.gmail.com>
	<f6138220906141423s4892ca92sba6f2026bd222b1b@mail.gmail.com>
	<276cbfb0906141507v774c9bd6xaf1d7e24a4ed324d@mail.gmail.com>
	<f6138220906141725j4a61c04fpc3dbb5d8ff4c6ea4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0C42FC22D9143A4FA9FA3FC2EF5CFA0722218C51C5@MSGCMSV21015.ent.wfb.bank.corp>

It sounds interesting.  Count me in please.


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From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Lee Henderson
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 7:26 PM
To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
Subject: Re: [Cialug] OT Robotics

I put together a quick Google Group for us to move our conversation to, assuming everyones interested of course. I'll send invites. If anyone else out there would like to join just let me know in this thread.

Lee Henderson
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Lathrop Preston <lathrop at prestonfam.org<mailto:lathrop at prestonfam.org>> wrote:
Sorry to chime in late. I just got back from camping myself. I've been
getting very interested in robotics recently (my youngest brother is
on his school FIRST robotics team) July 9 would be good for me. My
thought is we should start broad and not restrict out potential
members based on tech level or age or platfrom.
Laith
On Sunday, June 14, 2009, Lee Henderson <leemhenderson at gmail.com<mailto:leemhenderson at gmail.com>> wrote:
> The 9th should work for me so long as it will be an evening thing.
>
> On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org<mailto:newz at bearfruit.org>> wrote:
> Yeah, 9th would work better for me too, I'm taking a long weekend for the 4th.
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Jerry Heiselman <jerry at heiselman.com<mailto:jerry at heiselman.com>> wrote:
> I'd like to propose July 9th. Doing the whole camping thing for the
> 4th weekend.
>
>
>
> On 6/14/09, Lee Henderson <leemhenderson at gmail.com<mailto:leemhenderson at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> What should the knowledge/skill level be of such a group?
>>> Age of the humans involved, adults(some child like) or children.
>>> -homebrew/home built
>>> --simple,complex, does it run an OS?
>>> -kits and rtr bots or legos
>>> --simple or complex
>>>
>>> Maybe the above could be the subject of the first meeting?
>>> Not very many people own a 22yr old Hero1 that still works, so the newer
>>> stuff maybe the way to go, basic stamps, AVRs, ARMs, ITX boards and any
>>> thing else I can't think of at this moment...
>>> -dh
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> As this sort of thing seems not to exist locally, I think leaving it
>> completely platform independent is a good idea. I'm available in the
>> evenings or during the day on most weekends. Lets throw some dates out and
>> see what sticks. I'll start... July 2nd.
>>
>> Lee Henderson
>>
>
>
> --
> Jerry
>
>
>
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From dave at dchamp.net  Mon Jun 15 09:35:42 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 09:35:42 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT Robotics
In-Reply-To: <0C42FC22D9143A4FA9FA3FC2EF5CFA0722218C51C5@MSGCMSV21015.ent.wfb.bank.corp>
References: <061320090024.17791.4A32F1CA00084C300000457F223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A02070E03990104@mchsi.com>	<9D2C805F2B8640BC8EC9BDEF452A713A@toshibauser>	<f6138220906131704r13cd06c7r7027bb791d71182@mail.gmail.com>	<f3c0b4080906131819n4e8ef79dtb2ebb5b88702f5d3@mail.gmail.com>	<A606081E978C4ABF90F539A09FC52227@toshibauser>	<f6138220906140603p20ca4c3dy79820d271ac16148@mail.gmail.com>	<45a88bbd0906140620v76b45347s7e92adec1162f823@mail.gmail.com>	<f3c0b4080906140659q1913ee91qb13a8bbd8e69cd43@mail.gmail.com>	<f6138220906141423s4892ca92sba6f2026bd222b1b@mail.gmail.com>	<276cbfb0906141507v774c9bd6xaf1d7e24a4ed324d@mail.gmail.com>	<f6138220906141725j4a61c04fpc3dbb5d8ff4c6ea4@mail.gmail.com>
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Funny timing... my brother Tim (who's on this list) called me Friday, 
because his 5 year old son was interested in a robot they saw somewhere, 
and he asked if I still had my Lego Mindstorms... which I do.

-dc

From morej at alliancetechnologies.net  Mon Jun 15 15:31:33 2009
From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 15:31:33 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Proxy servers for Iran
Message-ID: <4A3669550200002E00034EFD@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>

If you are politically minded (globally) you might want to read this. 
It's a very short HOWTO for setting up a proxy server so that Iranian
citizens can get news out to the rest of the world:

http://blog.austinheap.com/2009/06/15/how-to-setup-a-proxy-for-iran-citizens/

Clearly, doing something like this is a personal decision, and I don't
want to sway anyone either way on the issue.  It is just rare that a
grassroots technology like Linux can have a large impact on immediate,
real world events, so I wanted to pass the word along.





-Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC 
 morej at alliancetechnologies.net 
 515-245-7701



From tdwalton at gmail.com  Mon Jun 15 16:40:38 2009
From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 16:40:38 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Proxy servers for Iran
In-Reply-To: <4A3669550200002E00034EFD@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
References: <4A3669550200002E00034EFD@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <e1d8c6520906151440h24d44078x977c29850a3b8d30@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Josh
More<morej at alliancetechnologies.net> wrote:
> If you are politically minded (globally) you might want to read this.
> It's a very short HOWTO for setting up a proxy server so that Iranian
> citizens can get news out to the rest of the world:

It says at the end that you should set up iptables as well.  I warily
admit that I've never done this.  Is it part of the default CentOS or
Ubuntu server install?

--
Todd

From morej at alliancetechnologies.net  Mon Jun 15 18:11:15 2009
From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:11:15 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Proxy servers for Iran
Message-ID: <4A368EC30200002E00034F26@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>

If you are adding this to an existing server, yes, you need iptables. 
It should be included with most modern distros and should have a GUI or
TUI that you can use to configure it if you don't want to hack on files
in /etc/sysconfig.

However, if you are building a dedicated box to do this, it's important
to realize that it'll probably only be needed for a few weeks.  By then,
the situation should either be resolved or your IP will be blocked by
Iran.  In that case, just turn off all services except for squid and let
it run sans-firewall.  If you wait too long, it won't do anyone any
good... and if all it's doing is a proxy, there's nothing on it to
protect anyway.  (Well, nothing that YOU would care about... and I
suspect that the twittering Iranians have bigger concerns than someone
in the US knowing their twitter password.)



-Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC 
 morej at alliancetechnologies.net 
 515-245-7701

>>> Todd Walton  06/15/09 4:40 PM >>>
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Josh
More<morej at alliancetechnologies.net> wrote:
> If you are politically minded (globally) you might want to read this.
> It's a very short HOWTO for setting up a proxy server so that Iranian
> citizens can get news out to the rest of the world:

It says at the end that you should set up iptables as well.  I warily
admit that I've never done this.  Is it part of the default CentOS or
Ubuntu server install?

--
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From aaron.korver at gmail.com  Mon Jun 15 22:36:20 2009
From: aaron.korver at gmail.com (Aaron Korver)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 22:36:20 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Proxy servers for Iran
In-Reply-To: <4A368EC30200002E00034F26@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
References: <4A368EC30200002E00034F26@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <da2fbfa30906152036y3921a930la275bf1cd28e78b1@mail.gmail.com>

http://iran.whyweprotest.net/showthread.php?t=4

It is really mind boggling to me for how fast this is moving and how many
people are involved.

On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 6:11 PM, Josh More
<morej at alliancetechnologies.net>wrote:

> If you are adding this to an existing server, yes, you need iptables.
> It should be included with most modern distros and should have a GUI or
> TUI that you can use to configure it if you don't want to hack on files
> in /etc/sysconfig.
>
> However, if you are building a dedicated box to do this, it's important
> to realize that it'll probably only be needed for a few weeks.  By then,
> the situation should either be resolved or your IP will be blocked by
> Iran.  In that case, just turn off all services except for squid and let
> it run sans-firewall.  If you wait too long, it won't do anyone any
> good... and if all it's doing is a proxy, there's nothing on it to
> protect anyway.  (Well, nothing that YOU would care about... and I
> suspect that the twittering Iranians have bigger concerns than someone
> in the US knowing their twitter password.)
>
>
>
> -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC
>  morej at alliancetechnologies.net
>  515-245-7701
>
> >>> Todd Walton  06/15/09 4:40 PM >>>
> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Josh
> More<morej at alliancetechnologies.net> wrote:
> > If you are politically minded (globally) you might want to read this.
> > It's a very short HOWTO for setting up a proxy server so that Iranian
> > citizens can get news out to the rest of the world:
>
> It says at the end that you should set up iptables as well.  I warily
> admit that I've never done this.  Is it part of the default CentOS or
> Ubuntu server install?
>
> --
> Todd
> _______________________________________________
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From morej at alliancetechnologies.net  Tue Jun 16 09:51:34 2009
From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 09:51:34 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Meeting tomorrow
Message-ID: <4A376B260200002E00034F84@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>

This is the email you've all been waiting for!  At last, it's the
official confirmation that we do, indeed, have a meeting tomorrow.  (You
may now rejoice.)

As usual, the meeting is at Alliance and starts at 7:00PM (but you can
show up early if you like, we tend to get lonely).

The topic this month is Security.  As in the past, it will probably be a
general Q/A as well as a discussion about the latest attacks and
technologies.  Given recent news, we might also discuss the situation in
Iran... if anyone is interested.

Hope to see many of you there.




-Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC 
 morej at alliancetechnologies.net 
 515-245-7701


From djweis at internetsolver.com  Tue Jun 16 11:29:57 2009
From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 11:29:57 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Something neat for security talk
Message-ID: <4A37C885.1030103@internetsolver.com>


http://www.remote-exploit.org/Keykeriki.html


-- 
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From tdwalton at gmail.com  Tue Jun 16 15:39:03 2009
From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 15:39:03 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Meeting tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <4A376B260200002E00034F84@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
References: <4A376B260200002E00034F84@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <e1d8c6520906161339y2d70b014x157b4ac82e2017ad@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Josh
More<morej at alliancetechnologies.net> wrote:
> This is the email you've all been waiting for! ?At last, it's the
> official confirmation that we do, indeed, have a meeting tomorrow. ?(You
> may now rejoice.)
>
> The topic this month is Security. ?As in the past, it will probably be a
> general Q/A as well as a discussion about the latest attacks and
> technologies. ?Given recent news, we might also discuss the situation in
> Iran... if anyone is interested.

Drats.  Both are subjects of interest, but I have class.  No double
meaning intended.

--
Todd

From tdwalton at gmail.com  Wed Jun 17 09:34:05 2009
From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 09:34:05 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Codes: =3D %20
Message-ID: <e1d8c6520906170734u57dcbfe0x78c09997e360934f@mail.gmail.com>

What's with the "=3D" that I sometimes see?  I think it's HTML maybe
being converted... Something to do with character sets?...

I know that %20 becomes a space in URLs.

What is all this called?  Where can I find out more about it?

--
Todd

From newz at bearfruit.org  Wed Jun 17 09:41:55 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 09:41:55 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Codes: =3D %20
In-Reply-To: <e1d8c6520906170734u57dcbfe0x78c09997e360934f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e1d8c6520906170734u57dcbfe0x78c09997e360934f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080906170741u5b07fc58n4fee125de0d0bd81@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Todd Walton<tdwalton at gmail.com> wrote:
> What's with the "=3D" that I sometimes see? ?I think it's HTML maybe
> being converted... Something to do with character sets?...
>
> I know that %20 becomes a space in URLs.
>
> What is all this called? ?Where can I find out more about it?
>

In your browser's address bar you can type this URL to see what the
character is:

javascript:alert(unescape('%3D'));

Or if you have firebug, console.log(unescape('%3D'));

In this case it's an = and is probably being encoded because it has
significance in the source. Maybe the last character of an email
message line can't be a space or an = so they get encoded to =20 and
=3D.

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter

From dave at dchamp.net  Wed Jun 17 09:47:45 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 09:47:45 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Codes: =3D %20
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4080906170741u5b07fc58n4fee125de0d0bd81@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e1d8c6520906170734u57dcbfe0x78c09997e360934f@mail.gmail.com>
	<f3c0b4080906170741u5b07fc58n4fee125de0d0bd81@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A390211.2080500@dchamp.net>

Matthew Nuzum wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Todd Walton<tdwalton at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> What's with the "=3D" that I sometimes see?  I think it's HTML maybe
>> being converted... Something to do with character sets?...
>>
>> I know that %20 becomes a space in URLs.
>>
>> What is all this called?  Where can I find out more about it?
>>
>>     
>
> In your browser's address bar you can type this URL to see what the
> character is:
>
> javascript:alert(unescape('%3D'));
>
> Or if you have firebug, console.log(unescape('%3D'));
>
> In this case it's an = and is probably being encoded because it has
> significance in the source. Maybe the last character of an email
> message line can't be a space or an = so they get encoded to =20 and
> =3D.
>
>   

http://www.asciitable.com/

-dc


From eric at eric.nu  Wed Jun 17 09:54:02 2009
From: eric at eric.nu (Eric Junker)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 09:54:02 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Codes: =3D %20
In-Reply-To: <e1d8c6520906170734u57dcbfe0x78c09997e360934f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e1d8c6520906170734u57dcbfe0x78c09997e360934f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A39038A.2000208@eric.nu>

Todd Walton wrote:
> What's with the "=3D" that I sometimes see?  I think it's HTML maybe
> being converted... Something to do with character sets?...
> 
> I know that %20 becomes a space in URLs.
> 
> What is all this called?  Where can I find out more about it?

The =3D is how an = character is encoded when the 
Content-Transfer-Encoding is set to quoted-printable.
http://forums.asp.net/t/679375.aspx

Eric

From chris at ia.gov  Wed Jun 17 10:03:39 2009
From: chris at ia.gov (chris)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:03:39 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Codes: =3D %20
In-Reply-To: <e1d8c6520906170734u57dcbfe0x78c09997e360934f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e1d8c6520906170734u57dcbfe0x78c09997e360934f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A3905CB.6030208@ia.gov>

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Todd Walton wrote:
> What's with the "=3D" that I sometimes see?  I think it's HTML maybe
> being converted... Something to do with character sets?...
> 
> I know that %20 becomes a space in URLs.
> 

Try "man ascii" for a quick table to do conversions with on many unix like systems.

I know it does not answer your question, but I thought it might be useful to those that have not stumbled on it yet. :)



crr/arreyder

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From ka_klick at mac.com  Wed Jun 17 10:30:58 2009
From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:30:58 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Codes: =3D %20
In-Reply-To: <4A3905CB.6030208@ia.gov>
References: <e1d8c6520906170734u57dcbfe0x78c09997e360934f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A3905CB.6030208@ia.gov>
Message-ID: <ACBEB363-353D-41BE-862F-D3A82752B134@mac.com>

Nice. I never stumbled across that, and a quick ascii chart is often  
useful. Thanks!

On Jun 17, 2009, at 10:03 AM, chris wrote:
> Todd Walton wrote:
>> What's with the "=3D" that I sometimes see?  I think it's HTML maybe
>> being converted... Something to do with character sets?...
>>
>> I know that %20 becomes a space in URLs.
>>
>
> Try "man ascii" for a quick table to do conversions with on many  
> unix like systems.
>
> I know it does not answer your question, but I thought it might be  
> useful to those that have not stumbled on it yet. :)
>
>
>
> crr/arreyder

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From dave at dchamp.net  Wed Jun 17 10:39:13 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:39:13 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Codes: =3D %20
In-Reply-To: <ACBEB363-353D-41BE-862F-D3A82752B134@mac.com>
References: <e1d8c6520906170734u57dcbfe0x78c09997e360934f@mail.gmail.com>	<4A3905CB.6030208@ia.gov>
	<ACBEB363-353D-41BE-862F-D3A82752B134@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4A390E21.7070000@dchamp.net>

There are lots of surprising things in the man pages. Did you know that 
you can do:
man man

... and it doesn't even cause a rift in the space-time continuum.

I'm disappointed that you can't do:
man this aggression will not stand

-dc

Bryan Baker wrote:
> Nice. I never stumbled across that, and a quick ascii chart is often  
> useful. Thanks!
>
> On Jun 17, 2009, at 10:03 AM, chris wrote:
>   
>> Todd Walton wrote:
>>     
>>> What's with the "=3D" that I sometimes see?  I think it's HTML maybe
>>> being converted... Something to do with character sets?...
>>>
>>> I know that %20 becomes a space in URLs.
>>>
>>>       
>> Try "man ascii" for a quick table to do conversions with on many  
>> unix like systems.
>>
>> I know it does not answer your question, but I thought it might be  
>> useful to those that have not stumbled on it yet. :)
>>
>>
>>
>> crr/arreyder
>>     
>
> --
> Bryan "ka-klick" Baker
> Singer/Songwriter
> ka-klick at ka-klick.com
> http://ka-klick.com
> http://twitter.com/ka_klick <-- Twitter Feed
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
>   


From tom at tcpconsulting.com  Wed Jun 17 10:48:41 2009
From: tom at tcpconsulting.com (Tom Pohl)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:48:41 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Codes: =3D %20
In-Reply-To: <4A390E21.7070000@dchamp.net>
References: <e1d8c6520906170734u57dcbfe0x78c09997e360934f@mail.gmail.com>	<4A3905CB.6030208@ia.gov>
	<ACBEB363-353D-41BE-862F-D3A82752B134@mac.com>
	<4A390E21.7070000@dchamp.net>
Message-ID: <6427F978-F809-4667-95A0-52B1609E3718@tcpconsulting.com>

My favorite man command that I once told my twin brother to do:

man bash

I kinda felt dirty.

-Tom

On Jun 17, 2009, at 10:39 AM, David Champion wrote:

> There are lots of surprising things in the man pages. Did you know  
> that
> you can do:
> man man
>
> ... and it doesn't even cause a rift in the space-time continuum.
>
> I'm disappointed that you can't do:
> man this aggression will not stand
>
> -dc
>
> Bryan Baker wrote:
>> Nice. I never stumbled across that, and a quick ascii chart is often
>> useful. Thanks!
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2009, at 10:03 AM, chris wrote:
>>
>>> Todd Walton wrote:
>>>
>>>> What's with the "=3D" that I sometimes see?  I think it's HTML  
>>>> maybe
>>>> being converted... Something to do with character sets?...
>>>>
>>>> I know that %20 becomes a space in URLs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Try "man ascii" for a quick table to do conversions with on many
>>> unix like systems.
>>>
>>> I know it does not answer your question, but I thought it might be
>>> useful to those that have not stumbled on it yet. :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> crr/arreyder
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Bryan "ka-klick" Baker
>> Singer/Songwriter
>> ka-klick at ka-klick.com
>> http://ka-klick.com
>> http://twitter.com/ka_klick <-- Twitter Feed
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cialug mailing list
>> Cialug at cialug.org
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug


From cwfreeman at gmail.com  Wed Jun 17 11:21:25 2009
From: cwfreeman at gmail.com (Chris Freeman)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 11:21:25 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Codes: =3D %20
In-Reply-To: <4A390E21.7070000@dchamp.net>
References: <e1d8c6520906170734u57dcbfe0x78c09997e360934f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A3905CB.6030208@ia.gov>
	<ACBEB363-353D-41BE-862F-D3A82752B134@mac.com>
	<4A390E21.7070000@dchamp.net>
Message-ID: <3afd8deb0906170921g4c2913f1xd8ac10b58f7cb6f1@mail.gmail.com>

Shouldn't that be:

man stand not will aggression this

?

Chris

On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:39 AM, David Champion<dave at dchamp.net> wrote:
> There are lots of surprising things in the man pages. Did you know that
> you can do:
> man man
>
> ... and it doesn't even cause a rift in the space-time continuum.
>
> I'm disappointed that you can't do:
> man this aggression will not stand
>
> -dc
>
> Bryan Baker wrote:
>> Nice. I never stumbled across that, and a quick ascii chart is often
>> useful. Thanks!
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2009, at 10:03 AM, chris wrote:
>>
>>> Todd Walton wrote:
>>>
>>>> What's with the "=3D" that I sometimes see? ?I think it's HTML maybe
>>>> being converted... Something to do with character sets?...
>>>>
>>>> I know that %20 becomes a space in URLs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Try "man ascii" for a quick table to do conversions with on many
>>> unix like systems.
>>>
>>> I know it does not answer your question, but I thought it might be
>>> useful to those that have not stumbled on it yet. :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> crr/arreyder
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Bryan "ka-klick" Baker
>> Singer/Songwriter
>> ka-klick at ka-klick.com
>> http://ka-klick.com
>> http://twitter.com/ka_klick <-- Twitter Feed
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cialug mailing list
>> Cialug at cialug.org
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>

From dave at dchamp.net  Wed Jun 17 12:46:08 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:46:08 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Codes: =3D %20
In-Reply-To: <3afd8deb0906170921g4c2913f1xd8ac10b58f7cb6f1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e1d8c6520906170734u57dcbfe0x78c09997e360934f@mail.gmail.com>	<4A3905CB.6030208@ia.gov>	<ACBEB363-353D-41BE-862F-D3A82752B134@mac.com>	<4A390E21.7070000@dchamp.net>
	<3afd8deb0906170921g4c2913f1xd8ac10b58f7cb6f1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A392BE0.8000301@dchamp.net>

Have it your way, Dude.

-dc

Chris Freeman wrote:
> Shouldn't that be:
>
> man stand not will aggression this
>
> ?
>
> Chris
>
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:39 AM, David Champion<dave at dchamp.net> wrote:
>   
>> There are lots of surprising things in the man pages. Did you know that
>> you can do:
>> man man
>>
>> ... and it doesn't even cause a rift in the space-time continuum.
>>
>> I'm disappointed that you can't do:
>> man this aggression will not stand
>>
>> -dc
>>
>> Bryan Baker wrote:
>>     
>>> Nice. I never stumbled across that, and a quick ascii chart is often
>>> useful. Thanks!
>>>
>>> On Jun 17, 2009, at 10:03 AM, chris wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Todd Walton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> What's with the "=3D" that I sometimes see?  I think it's HTML maybe
>>>>> being converted... Something to do with character sets?...
>>>>>
>>>>> I know that %20 becomes a space in URLs.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> Try "man ascii" for a quick table to do conversions with on many
>>>> unix like systems.
>>>>
>>>> I know it does not answer your question, but I thought it might be
>>>> useful to those that have not stumbled on it yet. :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> crr/arreyder
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> --
>>> Bryan "ka-klick" Baker
>>> Singer/Songwriter
>>> ka-klick at ka-klick.com
>>> http://ka-klick.com
>>> http://twitter.com/ka_klick <-- Twitter Feed
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cialug mailing list
>>> Cialug at cialug.org
>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cialug mailing list
>> Cialug at cialug.org
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>
>>     
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
>   


From daniel.ramaley at drake.edu  Wed Jun 17 13:20:02 2009
From: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu (Daniel A. Ramaley)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:20:02 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Free hardware
Message-ID: <200906171320.02760.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>

Back when i worked at the Drake library we had some diskless 
workstations that were used as web terminals. They have extremely 
limited local storage (though probably can be upgraded). The machines 
are meant to run Linux (specifically Linux Terminal Server Project) in 
a netboot configuration, with most applications running on a remote 
server and displaying on the terminal. I had them configured to run 
Firefox locally, however, so i know they can work either way.

If interested, contact Marc as soon as possible for pick-up. You can get 
his address from the Cc line. Here's the info from him on the machines:

>The actual tag on the unit says "DisklessWorkstations.Com" Jammin-125
>(v. 1.0 or v.1.25) but when you peel off that tag it gives us the brand
>Optoma and model number st320 and it does indeed pretty much looks like
>this:  http://www.pcpro.co.uk/labs/31451/optoma-st320.html


------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dan Ramaley                            Dial Center 118, Drake University
Network Programmer/Analyst             2407 Carpenter Ave
+1 515 271-4540                        Des Moines IA 50311 USA

From barry at vonahsen.com  Wed Jun 17 13:55:28 2009
From: barry at vonahsen.com (Barry Von Ahsen)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:55:28 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Codes: =3D %20
In-Reply-To: <3afd8deb0906170921g4c2913f1xd8ac10b58f7cb6f1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e1d8c6520906170734u57dcbfe0x78c09997e360934f@mail.gmail.com>	<4A3905CB.6030208@ia.gov>	<ACBEB363-353D-41BE-862F-D3A82752B134@mac.com>	<4A390E21.7070000@dchamp.net>
	<3afd8deb0906170921g4c2913f1xd8ac10b58f7cb6f1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A393C20.1060309@vonahsen.com>

only in a stack-based parser

-barry


Chris Freeman wrote:
> Shouldn't that be:
> 
> man stand not will aggression this
> 
> ?
> 
> Chris
> 
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:39 AM, David Champion<dave at dchamp.net> wrote:
>> There are lots of surprising things in the man pages. Did you know that
>> you can do:
>> man man
>>
>> ... and it doesn't even cause a rift in the space-time continuum.
>>
>> I'm disappointed that you can't do:
>> man this aggression will not stand
>>
>> -dc
>>
>> Bryan Baker wrote:
>>> Nice. I never stumbled across that, and a quick ascii chart is often
>>> useful. Thanks!
>>>
>>> On Jun 17, 2009, at 10:03 AM, chris wrote:
>>>
>>>> Todd Walton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What's with the "=3D" that I sometimes see?  I think it's HTML maybe
>>>>> being converted... Something to do with character sets?...
>>>>>
>>>>> I know that %20 becomes a space in URLs.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Try "man ascii" for a quick table to do conversions with on many
>>>> unix like systems.
>>>>
>>>> I know it does not answer your question, but I thought it might be
>>>> useful to those that have not stumbled on it yet. :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> crr/arreyder
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Bryan "ka-klick" Baker
>>> Singer/Songwriter
>>> ka-klick at ka-klick.com
>>> http://ka-klick.com
>>> http://twitter.com/ka_klick <-- Twitter Feed
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cialug mailing list
>>> Cialug at cialug.org
>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cialug mailing list
>> Cialug at cialug.org
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug


From tim_linux at wilson-home.com  Wed Jun 17 14:01:52 2009
From: tim_linux at wilson-home.com (Tim Wilson)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:01:52 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Codes: =3D %20
In-Reply-To: <6427F978-F809-4667-95A0-52B1609E3718@tcpconsulting.com>
References: <e1d8c6520906170734u57dcbfe0x78c09997e360934f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A3905CB.6030208@ia.gov>
	<ACBEB363-353D-41BE-862F-D3A82752B134@mac.com>
	<4A390E21.7070000@dchamp.net>
	<6427F978-F809-4667-95A0-52B1609E3718@tcpconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <5a9568c20906171201o4e8cd092r122919c3be0bfeec@mail.gmail.com>

Other fun "man" things:
man at tee (golf, or the animal, your choice)
man bind (sounds kinky)
man break
man builtin
man caller
man cancel
man case
man cat
man catman
man cd (a cd made for a man?)
man chat (not used very often)
man cut
man date
man done
man eject
man groups
man grub (steak anyone?)
man halt
man hash
man head ('nuff said)
man help
man history
man jobs
man join (uhh, leaving that one alone)
man less
man net (for desperate women to catch men)
man onboard
man ownership
man ping (the sound of a frying pan bouncing off a man's head)
man reset (I know some women that would like to do this)
man resize (I think I've gotten some e-mails regarding this...)
man screen (for those women in bars that don't want us men around)
man script (what men use on women in bars)
man set
man shred
man size
man sleep
man source
man split
man tail
man uniq (ouch!)
man users
man view
man wall (a tougher version of man screen)
man which
man woman
man zip

On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Tom Pohl <tom at tcpconsulting.com> wrote:

> My favorite man command that I once told my twin brother to do:
>
> man bash
>
> I kinda felt dirty.
>
> -Tom
>
> On Jun 17, 2009, at 10:39 AM, David Champion wrote:
>
> > There are lots of surprising things in the man pages. Did you know
> > that
> > you can do:
> > man man
> >
> > ... and it doesn't even cause a rift in the space-time continuum.
> >
> > I'm disappointed that you can't do:
> > man this aggression will not stand
> >
> > -dc
> >
> > Bryan Baker wrote:
> >> Nice. I never stumbled across that, and a quick ascii chart is often
> >> useful. Thanks!
> >>
> >> On Jun 17, 2009, at 10:03 AM, chris wrote:
> >>
> >>> Todd Walton wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> What's with the "=3D" that I sometimes see?  I think it's HTML
> >>>> maybe
> >>>> being converted... Something to do with character sets?...
> >>>>
> >>>> I know that %20 becomes a space in URLs.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> Try "man ascii" for a quick table to do conversions with on many
> >>> unix like systems.
> >>>
> >>> I know it does not answer your question, but I thought it might be
> >>> useful to those that have not stumbled on it yet. :)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> crr/arreyder
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Bryan "ka-klick" Baker
> >> Singer/Songwriter
> >> ka-klick at ka-klick.com
> >> http://ka-klick.com
> >> http://twitter.com/ka_klick <-- Twitter Feed
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Cialug mailing list
> >> Cialug at cialug.org
> >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >>
> >>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cialug mailing list
> > Cialug at cialug.org
> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>



-- 
Tim
Required reading: http://bccplease.com/
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From ka_klick at mac.com  Wed Jun 17 14:45:19 2009
From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:45:19 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Codes: =3D %20
In-Reply-To: <5a9568c20906171201o4e8cd092r122919c3be0bfeec@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e1d8c6520906170734u57dcbfe0x78c09997e360934f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A3905CB.6030208@ia.gov>
	<ACBEB363-353D-41BE-862F-D3A82752B134@mac.com>
	<4A390E21.7070000@dchamp.net>
	<6427F978-F809-4667-95A0-52B1609E3718@tcpconsulting.com>
	<5a9568c20906171201o4e8cd092r122919c3be0bfeec@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D9B08871-C879-44C4-BC2F-4EBFA299C0AD@mac.com>

It's not a man thing, but as we're clearly off topic I'll continue  
down the path:

back in the first couple iterations of OSX (maybe because they used  
tcsh, but it doesn't work there either any more) there was a  
suggestion feature in the terminal that would suggest alternatives  
when you made a typo, the one that sticks in my mind was if you typed:

%>bill gates

it would suggest that maybe you meant kill gates.

On Jun 17, 2009, at 2:01 PM, Tim Wilson wrote:
> Other fun "man" things:
> man at tee (golf, or the animal, your choice)
> man bind (sounds kinky)
> man break
> man builtin
> man caller
> man cancel
> man case
> man cat
> man catman
> man cd (a cd made for a man?)
> man chat (not used very often)
> man cut
> man date
> man done
> man eject
> man groups
> man grub (steak anyone?)
> man halt
> man hash
> man head ('nuff said)
> man help
> man history
> man jobs
> man join (uhh, leaving that one alone)
> man less
> man net (for desperate women to catch men)
> man onboard
> man ownership
> man ping (the sound of a frying pan bouncing off a man's head)
> man reset (I know some women that would like to do this)
> man resize (I think I've gotten some e-mails regarding this...)
> man screen (for those women in bars that don't want us men around)
> man script (what men use on women in bars)
> man set
> man shred
> man size
> man sleep
> man source
> man split
> man tail
> man uniq (ouch!)
> man users
> man view
> man wall (a tougher version of man screen)
> man which
> man woman
> man zip
>
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Tom Pohl <tom at tcpconsulting.com>  
> wrote:
> My favorite man command that I once told my twin brother to do:
>
> man bash
>
> I kinda felt dirty.
>
> -Tom
>
> On Jun 17, 2009, at 10:39 AM, David Champion wrote:
>
> > There are lots of surprising things in the man pages. Did you know
> > that
> > you can do:
> > man man
> >
> > ... and it doesn't even cause a rift in the space-time continuum.
> >
> > I'm disappointed that you can't do:
> > man this aggression will not stand
> >
> > -dc
> >
> > Bryan Baker wrote:
> >> Nice. I never stumbled across that, and a quick ascii chart is  
> often
> >> useful. Thanks!
> >>
> >> On Jun 17, 2009, at 10:03 AM, chris wrote:
> >>
> >>> Todd Walton wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> What's with the "=3D" that I sometimes see?  I think it's HTML
> >>>> maybe
> >>>> being converted... Something to do with character sets?...
> >>>>
> >>>> I know that %20 becomes a space in URLs.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> Try "man ascii" for a quick table to do conversions with on many
> >>> unix like systems.
> >>>
> >>> I know it does not answer your question, but I thought it might be
> >>> useful to those that have not stumbled on it yet. :)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> crr/arreyder
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Bryan "ka-klick" Baker
> >> Singer/Songwriter
> >> ka-klick at ka-klick.com
> >> http://ka-klick.com
> >> http://twitter.com/ka_klick <-- Twitter Feed
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Cialug mailing list
> >> Cialug at cialug.org
> >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >>
> >>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cialug mailing list
> > Cialug at cialug.org
> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
>
>
> -- 
> Tim
> Required reading: http://bccplease.com/
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug

--
Bryan "ka-klick" Baker
Singer/Songwriter
ka-klick at ka-klick.com
http://ka-klick.com
http://twitter.com/ka_klick <-- Twitter Feed




From ka_klick at mac.com  Wed Jun 17 14:52:18 2009
From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:52:18 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Codes: =3D %20
In-Reply-To: <D9B08871-C879-44C4-BC2F-4EBFA299C0AD@mac.com>
References: <e1d8c6520906170734u57dcbfe0x78c09997e360934f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A3905CB.6030208@ia.gov>
	<ACBEB363-353D-41BE-862F-D3A82752B134@mac.com>
	<4A390E21.7070000@dchamp.net>
	<6427F978-F809-4667-95A0-52B1609E3718@tcpconsulting.com>
	<5a9568c20906171201o4e8cd092r122919c3be0bfeec@mail.gmail.com>
	<D9B08871-C879-44C4-BC2F-4EBFA299C0AD@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4E24427E-A82D-4481-ACEA-851A8A340CD1@mac.com>

OK, I found the way to do it.
It does need tcsh (or a shell that supports correction anyway):

ILA-Mac:~ bryan$ tcsh
[ILA-Mac:~] bryan% set correct=all
[ILA-Mac:~] bryan% bill gates

CORRECT>kill gates (y|n|e|a)? no
bill: Command not found.


On Jun 17, 2009, at 2:45 PM, Bryan Baker wrote:

> It's not a man thing, but as we're clearly off topic I'll continue
> down the path:
>
> back in the first couple iterations of OSX (maybe because they used
> tcsh, but it doesn't work there either any more) there was a
> suggestion feature in the terminal that would suggest alternatives
> when you made a typo, the one that sticks in my mind was if you typed:
>
> %>bill gates
>
> it would suggest that maybe you meant kill gates.
>
> On Jun 17, 2009, at 2:01 PM, Tim Wilson wrote:
>> Other fun "man" things:
>> man at tee (golf, or the animal, your choice)
>> man bind (sounds kinky)
>> man break
>> man builtin
>> man caller
>> man cancel
>> man case
>> man cat
>> man catman
>> man cd (a cd made for a man?)
>> man chat (not used very often)
>> man cut
>> man date
>> man done
>> man eject
>> man groups
>> man grub (steak anyone?)
>> man halt
>> man hash
>> man head ('nuff said)
>> man help
>> man history
>> man jobs
>> man join (uhh, leaving that one alone)
>> man less
>> man net (for desperate women to catch men)
>> man onboard
>> man ownership
>> man ping (the sound of a frying pan bouncing off a man's head)
>> man reset (I know some women that would like to do this)
>> man resize (I think I've gotten some e-mails regarding this...)
>> man screen (for those women in bars that don't want us men around)
>> man script (what men use on women in bars)
>> man set
>> man shred
>> man size
>> man sleep
>> man source
>> man split
>> man tail
>> man uniq (ouch!)
>> man users
>> man view
>> man wall (a tougher version of man screen)
>> man which
>> man woman
>> man zip
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Tom Pohl <tom at tcpconsulting.com>
>> wrote:
>> My favorite man command that I once told my twin brother to do:
>>
>> man bash
>>
>> I kinda felt dirty.
>>
>> -Tom
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2009, at 10:39 AM, David Champion wrote:
>>
>>> There are lots of surprising things in the man pages. Did you know
>>> that
>>> you can do:
>>> man man
>>>
>>> ... and it doesn't even cause a rift in the space-time continuum.
>>>
>>> I'm disappointed that you can't do:
>>> man this aggression will not stand
>>>
>>> -dc
>>>
>>> Bryan Baker wrote:
>>>> Nice. I never stumbled across that, and a quick ascii chart is
>> often
>>>> useful. Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 17, 2009, at 10:03 AM, chris wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Todd Walton wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> What's with the "=3D" that I sometimes see?  I think it's HTML
>>>>>> maybe
>>>>>> being converted... Something to do with character sets?...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know that %20 becomes a space in URLs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Try "man ascii" for a quick table to do conversions with on many
>>>>> unix like systems.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know it does not answer your question, but I thought it might be
>>>>> useful to those that have not stumbled on it yet. :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> crr/arreyder
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Bryan "ka-klick" Baker
>>>> Singer/Songwriter
>>>> ka-klick at ka-klick.com
>>>> http://ka-klick.com
>>>> http://twitter.com/ka_klick <-- Twitter Feed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Cialug mailing list
>>>> Cialug at cialug.org
>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cialug mailing list
>>> Cialug at cialug.org
>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cialug mailing list
>> Cialug at cialug.org
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Tim
>> Required reading: http://bccplease.com/
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cialug mailing list
>> Cialug at cialug.org
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
> --
> Bryan "ka-klick" Baker
> Singer/Songwriter
> ka-klick at ka-klick.com
> http://ka-klick.com
> http://twitter.com/ka_klick <-- Twitter Feed
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug

--
Bryan "ka-klick" Baker
Singer/Songwriter
ka-klick at ka-klick.com
http://ka-klick.com
http://twitter.com/ka_klick <-- Twitter Feed




From daniel.ramaley at drake.edu  Wed Jun 17 14:54:00 2009
From: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu (Daniel A. Ramaley)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:54:00 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Free hardware
In-Reply-To: <200906171320.02760.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
References: <200906171320.02760.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
Message-ID: <200906171454.01010.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>

Hello again. The terminals are all spoken for.

On 2009-06-17 at 13:20:02, Daniel A. Ramaley wrote:
>Back when i worked at the Drake library we had some diskless
>workstations that were used as web terminals. They have extremely
>limited local storage (though probably can be upgraded). The machines
>are meant to run Linux (specifically Linux Terminal Server Project) in
>a netboot configuration, with most applications running on a remote
>server and displaying on the terminal. I had them configured to run
>Firefox locally, however, so i know they can work either way.
>
>If interested, contact Marc as soon as possible for pick-up. You can
> get
>
>his address from the Cc line. Here's the info from him on the machines:
>>The actual tag on the unit says "DisklessWorkstations.Com" Jammin-125
>>(v. 1.0 or v.1.25) but when you peel off that tag it gives us the
>> brand Optoma and model number st320 and it does indeed pretty much
>> looks like this: 
>> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/labs/31451/optoma-st320.html

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dan Ramaley                            Dial Center 118, Drake University
Network Programmer/Analyst             2407 Carpenter Ave
+1 515 271-4540                        Des Moines IA 50311 USA

From adk at 52761.com  Wed Jun 17 21:53:36 2009
From: adk at 52761.com (Allen Kiddoo)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 21:53:36 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] New Opera features
Message-ID: <678823f00906171953o51cf5251r793de7d255fe3acc@mail.gmail.com>

http://unite.opera.com/

Has anyone else played with this yet. What are going to be the security
issues?
I am sure the RIAA has not endorsed it.

I tried the media player- little buggy but it works.

Allen Kiddoo
Ioway Record Printing Co.
316 West Third St.
Muscatine, IA 52761
563.263.7822 office
563.554.7166 mobile
Chat: Skype: akiddoo
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From mrdovey at iedu.com  Wed Jun 17 22:36:52 2009
From: mrdovey at iedu.com (Morris Dovey)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 22:36:52 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT - Des Moines Area Patent Attorney(s)
Message-ID: <4A39B654.7040405@iedu.com>

It happens every now and then - while looking for a solution to a very 
specific problem, I stumbled onto a solution for many (seemingly 
unrelated) problems.

Now I need to find an affordable patent attorney. Can anyone on the list 
suggest anyone in the Des Moines / central Iowa area?

-- 
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

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From morej at alliancetechnologies.net  Wed Jun 17 22:43:44 2009
From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 22:43:44 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT - Des Moines Area Patent Attorney(s)
Message-ID: <4A3971A00200002E00035116@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>

Brett Trout.

Google his name, then read his blog, then contact him if it still makes
sense to do so.

Tell him I say hi.  :)

-Josh

Mobile email powered by Nokia Intellisync

---- Original Message ----
From: "Morris Dovey" <mrdovey at iedu.com>
Date: 09/6/17 22:38
To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" <cialug at cialug.org>
Subj: [Cialug] OT - Des Moines Area Patent Attorney(s)
It happens every now and then - while looking for a solution to a very 
specific problem, I stumbled onto a solution for many (seemingly 
unrelated) problems.

Now I need to find an affordable patent attorney. Can anyone on the list

suggest anyone in the Des Moines / central Iowa area?

-- 
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

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From mrdovey at iedu.com  Thu Jun 18 07:46:34 2009
From: mrdovey at iedu.com (Morris Dovey)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 07:46:34 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT - Des Moines Area Patent Attorney(s)
In-Reply-To: <4A3971A00200002E00035116@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
References: <4A3971A00200002E00035116@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <4A3A372A.7000009@iedu.com>

Josh More wrote:
> Brett Trout.
> 
> Google his name, then read his blog, then contact him if it still makes
> sense to do so.
> 
> Tell him I say hi.  :)

Did, did, will, and will.

Many thanks!

-- 
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

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From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com  Thu Jun 18 07:54:59 2009
From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 07:54:59 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT - Des Moines Area Patent Attorney(s)
In-Reply-To: <4A39B654.7040405@iedu.com>
References: <4A39B654.7040405@iedu.com>
Message-ID: <D43921B1695991468329C1A7296519C05C56A59574@exchange2k7.ipmvs.com>

I have a whole firm of them here.  If you want to be more specific (off-list) I can suggest names.

Our firm only does Intellectual Property.

-Nate 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org 
> [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Morris Dovey
> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:37 PM
> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
> Subject: [Cialug] OT - Des Moines Area Patent Attorney(s)
> 
> It happens every now and then - while looking for a solution 
> to a very 
> specific problem, I stumbled onto a solution for many (seemingly 
> unrelated) problems.
> 
> Now I need to find an affordable patent attorney. Can anyone 
> on the list 
> suggest anyone in the Des Moines / central Iowa area?
> 
> -- 
> Morris Dovey
> DeSoto Solar
> DeSoto, Iowa USA
> http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
> 
> 

From morej at alliancetechnologies.net  Thu Jun 18 09:54:40 2009
From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:54:40 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] New Opera features
In-Reply-To: <678823f00906171953o51cf5251r793de7d255fe3acc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <678823f00906171953o51cf5251r793de7d255fe3acc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A3A0EE00200002E00035159@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>

I've not played with it.  Security issues are reviewed (very briefly) at
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9134511&source=rss_news

In a nutshell:

* It requires opening port 8840 to your PC, so you still have
complexity.
* It shares stuff without encryption.
* The password is part of the URL and easily sniffable.
* It requires Opera's proxy servers to function.

Really, I don't see what this adds.  Most people sharing stuff are
using third party services.  If you are so security conscious that you
don't want to put your stuff on a third party system, then odds are that
you wouldn't trust Opera's proxy servers either.  Also, odds are that
you are skilled enough that you can pay your $5.00/mo and get website
hosting somewhere (or just build your own server).


 
 

-Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC 
 morej at alliancetechnologies.net 
 515-245-7701



>>> Allen Kiddoo <adk at 52761.com> 6/17/2009 09:53 PM >>> 
http://unite.opera.com/

Has anyone else played with this yet. What are going to be the
security
issues?
I am sure the RIAA has not endorsed it.

I tried the media player- little buggy but it works.

Allen Kiddoo
Ioway Record Printing Co.
316 West Third St.
Muscatine, IA 52761
563.263.7822 office
563.554.7166 mobile
Chat: Skype: akiddoo


From david at bierce.org  Thu Jun 18 11:00:39 2009
From: david at bierce.org (David Bierce)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 11:00:39 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Datacenter Cleanup
In-Reply-To: <4A3A0EE00200002E00035159@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
References: <678823f00906171953o51cf5251r793de7d255fe3acc@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A3A0EE00200002E00035159@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <4130C3E5-2EA2-4C6D-95F2-04A9D60C6381@bierce.org>

We're moving out of our data center and have lots of equipment that we  
no longer require at our facility.  Before going through the normal  
resale channels, I thought I'd see if any of you geeks had interest  
buying the equipment.

7 Dell 42U Racks
FM 200 tank
Lots, lots, lots of power cables and Y cables.
Cisco 7206 with fast ethernet and DS3 cards
Cisco 2600 with some T1 cards
80KW Natural Gas Generator
15KvA UPS
Spool of Fiber
Fiber splicing and end making kit
3com NBX100 with lots and lots of phones.
Some Dell 2850s
6 Nortel Baystack 450-24T switches
Nortel Accelar 1200
Ascend MAX 4000


Still working out fair market value for a few things, but if you're  
interested, let me know.

Dave


From djweis at internetsolver.com  Thu Jun 18 11:01:44 2009
From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 11:01:44 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Datacenter Cleanup
In-Reply-To: <4130C3E5-2EA2-4C6D-95F2-04A9D60C6381@bierce.org>
References: <678823f00906171953o51cf5251r793de7d255fe3acc@mail.gmail.com>	<4A3A0EE00200002E00035159@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
	<4130C3E5-2EA2-4C6D-95F2-04A9D60C6381@bierce.org>
Message-ID: <4A3A64E8.1000605@internetsolver.com>


Yes, the 7206 and possibly UPS and generator.

David Bierce wrote:
> We're moving out of our data center and have lots of equipment that we  
> no longer require at our facility.  Before going through the normal  
> resale channels, I thought I'd see if any of you geeks had interest  
> buying the equipment.
> 
> 7 Dell 42U Racks
> FM 200 tank
> Lots, lots, lots of power cables and Y cables.
> Cisco 7206 with fast ethernet and DS3 cards
> Cisco 2600 with some T1 cards
> 80KW Natural Gas Generator
> 15KvA UPS
> Spool of Fiber
> Fiber splicing and end making kit
> 3com NBX100 with lots and lots of phones.
> Some Dell 2850s
> 6 Nortel Baystack 450-24T switches
> Nortel Accelar 1200
> Ascend MAX 4000
> 
> 
> Still working out fair market value for a few things, but if you're  
> interested, let me know.
> 
> Dave
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug




-- 
Dave Weis
515-224-9229
djweis at internetsolver.com
http://www.internetsolver.com/

From jrnosee at gmail.com  Thu Jun 18 11:09:15 2009
From: jrnosee at gmail.com (jrnosee at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 11:09:15 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Datacenter Cleanup
In-Reply-To: <4A3A64E8.1000605@internetsolver.com>
References: <678823f00906171953o51cf5251r793de7d255fe3acc@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A3A0EE00200002E00035159@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
	<4130C3E5-2EA2-4C6D-95F2-04A9D60C6381@bierce.org>
	<4A3A64E8.1000605@internetsolver.com>
Message-ID: <a202c1b0906180909o2592bdaaj46c55a2e190863da@mail.gmail.com>

Possibly a rack.  Are these freestanding? Wheels? and of course cost?

Would anyone happen to have some generic rails for a 4U server (if there are
generic ones)?

On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Dave Weis <djweis at internetsolver.com>wrote:

>
> Yes, the 7206 and possibly UPS and generator.
>
> David Bierce wrote:
> > We're moving out of our data center and have lots of equipment that we
> > no longer require at our facility.  Before going through the normal
> > resale channels, I thought I'd see if any of you geeks had interest
> > buying the equipment.
> >
> > 7 Dell 42U Racks
> > FM 200 tank
> > Lots, lots, lots of power cables and Y cables.
> > Cisco 7206 with fast ethernet and DS3 cards
> > Cisco 2600 with some T1 cards
> > 80KW Natural Gas Generator
> > 15KvA UPS
> > Spool of Fiber
> > Fiber splicing and end making kit
> > 3com NBX100 with lots and lots of phones.
> > Some Dell 2850s
> > 6 Nortel Baystack 450-24T switches
> > Nortel Accelar 1200
> > Ascend MAX 4000
> >
> >
> > Still working out fair market value for a few things, but if you're
> > interested, let me know.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cialug mailing list
> > Cialug at cialug.org
> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
>
>
>
> --
> Dave Weis
> 515-224-9229
> djweis at internetsolver.com
> http://www.internetsolver.com/
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
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From morej at alliancetechnologies.net  Thu Jun 18 11:10:45 2009
From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 11:10:45 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Datacenter Cleanup
In-Reply-To: <a202c1b0906180909o2592bdaaj46c55a2e190863da@mail.gmail.com>
References: <678823f00906171953o51cf5251r793de7d255fe3acc@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A3A0EE00200002E00035159@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
	<4130C3E5-2EA2-4C6D-95F2-04A9D60C6381@bierce.org>
	<4A3A64E8.1000605@internetsolver.com>
	<a202c1b0906180909o2592bdaaj46c55a2e190863da@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A3A20B50200002E0003517B@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>

Generic rails for a 4 U server are called a shelf.  :)

I am also interested in costs on the racks.

 
 

-Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC 
 morej at alliancetechnologies.net 
 515-245-7701



>>> <jrnosee at gmail.com> 6/18/2009 11:09 AM >>> 
Possibly a rack.  Are these freestanding? Wheels? and of course cost?

Would anyone happen to have some generic rails for a 4U server (if
there are
generic ones)?

On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Dave Weis
<djweis at internetsolver.com>wrote:

>
> Yes, the 7206 and possibly UPS and generator.
>
> David Bierce wrote:
> > We're moving out of our data center and have lots of equipment that
we
> > no longer require at our facility.  Before going through the
normal
> > resale channels, I thought I'd see if any of you geeks had
interest
> > buying the equipment.
> >
> > 7 Dell 42U Racks
> > FM 200 tank
> > Lots, lots, lots of power cables and Y cables.
> > Cisco 7206 with fast ethernet and DS3 cards
> > Cisco 2600 with some T1 cards
> > 80KW Natural Gas Generator
> > 15KvA UPS
> > Spool of Fiber
> > Fiber splicing and end making kit
> > 3com NBX100 with lots and lots of phones.
> > Some Dell 2850s
> > 6 Nortel Baystack 450-24T switches
> > Nortel Accelar 1200
> > Ascend MAX 4000
> >
> >
> > Still working out fair market value for a few things, but if
you're
> > interested, let me know.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cialug mailing list
> > Cialug at cialug.org
> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
>
>
>
> --
> Dave Weis
> 515-224-9229
> djweis at internetsolver.com
> http://www.internetsolver.com/
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>


From morej at alliancetechnologies.net  Thu Jun 18 11:14:10 2009
From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 11:14:10 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Datacenter Cleanup
In-Reply-To: <4130C3E5-2EA2-4C6D-95F2-04A9D60C6381@bierce.org>
References: <678823f00906171953o51cf5251r793de7d255fe3acc@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A3A0EE00200002E00035159@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
	<4130C3E5-2EA2-4C6D-95F2-04A9D60C6381@bierce.org>
Message-ID: <4A3A21820200002E00035184@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>

Can I get more specs and prices on the Cisco 7206, the 15KvA UPS and the
racks?

Thanks,


 

-Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC 
 morej at alliancetechnologies.net 
 515-245-7701



>>> David Bierce <david at bierce.org> 6/18/2009 11:00 AM >>> 
We're moving out of our data center and have lots of equipment that we 

no longer require at our facility.  Before going through the normal  
resale channels, I thought I'd see if any of you geeks had interest  
buying the equipment.

7 Dell 42U Racks
FM 200 tank
Lots, lots, lots of power cables and Y cables.
Cisco 7206 with fast ethernet and DS3 cards
Cisco 2600 with some T1 cards
80KW Natural Gas Generator
15KvA UPS
Spool of Fiber
Fiber splicing and end making kit
3com NBX100 with lots and lots of phones.
Some Dell 2850s
6 Nortel Baystack 450-24T switches
Nortel Accelar 1200
Ascend MAX 4000


Still working out fair market value for a few things, but if you're  
interested, let me know.

Dave

_______________________________________________
Cialug mailing list
Cialug at cialug.org
http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug


From dave at dchamp.net  Thu Jun 18 11:20:55 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 11:20:55 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Datacenter Cleanup
In-Reply-To: <4130C3E5-2EA2-4C6D-95F2-04A9D60C6381@bierce.org>
References: <678823f00906171953o51cf5251r793de7d255fe3acc@mail.gmail.com>	<4A3A0EE00200002E00035159@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
	<4130C3E5-2EA2-4C6D-95F2-04A9D60C6381@bierce.org>
Message-ID: <4A3A6967.7020609@dchamp.net>

I'd be interested in hearing what you want for the Dell 2850's, and what 
the specs are. SCA or SATA drives?

-dc

David Bierce wrote:
> We're moving out of our data center and have lots of equipment that we  
> no longer require at our facility.  Before going through the normal  
> resale channels, I thought I'd see if any of you geeks had interest  
> buying the equipment.
>
> 7 Dell 42U Racks
> FM 200 tank
> Lots, lots, lots of power cables and Y cables.
> Cisco 7206 with fast ethernet and DS3 cards
> Cisco 2600 with some T1 cards
> 80KW Natural Gas Generator
> 15KvA UPS
> Spool of Fiber
> Fiber splicing and end making kit
> 3com NBX100 with lots and lots of phones.
> Some Dell 2850s
> 6 Nortel Baystack 450-24T switches
> Nortel Accelar 1200
> Ascend MAX 4000
>
>
> Still working out fair market value for a few things, but if you're  
> interested, let me know.
>
> Dave
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
>   


From david at bierce.org  Thu Jun 18 11:41:43 2009
From: david at bierce.org (David Bierce)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 11:41:43 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Datacenter Cleanup
In-Reply-To: <4A3A6967.7020609@dchamp.net>
References: <678823f00906171953o51cf5251r793de7d255fe3acc@mail.gmail.com>	<4A3A0EE00200002E00035159@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
	<4130C3E5-2EA2-4C6D-95F2-04A9D60C6381@bierce.org>
	<4A3A6967.7020609@dchamp.net>
Message-ID: <337F2BF3-CC6D-41A8-8702-707E2BDAD122@bierce.org>

Highlights from the router.

cisco 7204VXR (NPE225) processor (revision A) with 114688K/16384K  
bytes of memory.
R527x CPU at 262MHz, Implementation 40, Rev 10.0, 2048KB L2 Cache
4 slot VXR midplane, Version 2.1
Number of Fast PAs = 3
Number of Fast+Medium PAs = 3
Total number of PA bandwidth points consumed = 590
3 FastEthernet/IEEE 802.3 interface(s)
1 ATM network interface(s)
125K bytes of non-volatile configuration memory.
20480K bytes of Flash PCMCIA card at slot 0 (Sector size 128K).
4096K bytes of Flash internal SIMM (Sector size 256K).
There is a spare DS3 interface not installed.

Looks like the load out sells for $10000 used.

--

The generator is a 2000 Vintage Cummins 80KW 3 Phase Natural Gas  
Generator.  I have more specs available, but it looks like the resale  
value in the midwest is around 8k.  I'll grab specs for the UPS when I  
get back into the office in a bit.  But if you're interested in both,  
we're doing a complete abandon, so a transfer switch and related  
electrical plant install can also go with it.

--

More on racks and hardware when I get back to Ames.




Dave








On Jun 18, 2009, at 11:20 AM, David Champion wrote:

> I'd be interested in hearing what you want for the Dell 2850's, and  
> what
> the specs are. SCA or SATA drives?
>
> -dc
>
> David Bierce wrote:
>> We're moving out of our data center and have lots of equipment that  
>> we
>> no longer require at our facility.  Before going through the normal
>> resale channels, I thought I'd see if any of you geeks had interest
>> buying the equipment.
>>
>> 7 Dell 42U Racks
>> FM 200 tank
>> Lots, lots, lots of power cables and Y cables.
>> Cisco 7206 with fast ethernet and DS3 cards
>> Cisco 2600 with some T1 cards
>> 80KW Natural Gas Generator
>> 15KvA UPS
>> Spool of Fiber
>> Fiber splicing and end making kit
>> 3com NBX100 with lots and lots of phones.
>> Some Dell 2850s
>> 6 Nortel Baystack 450-24T switches
>> Nortel Accelar 1200
>> Ascend MAX 4000
>>
>>
>> Still working out fair market value for a few things, but if you're
>> interested, let me know.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cialug mailing list
>> Cialug at cialug.org
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>


From djweis at internetsolver.com  Thu Jun 18 12:43:48 2009
From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:43:48 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Datacenter Cleanup
In-Reply-To: <337F2BF3-CC6D-41A8-8702-707E2BDAD122@bierce.org>
References: <678823f00906171953o51cf5251r793de7d255fe3acc@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A3A0EE00200002E00035159@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
	<4130C3E5-2EA2-4C6D-95F2-04A9D60C6381@bierce.org>
	<4A3A6967.7020609@dchamp.net>
	<337F2BF3-CC6D-41A8-8702-707E2BDAD122@bierce.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0906181242290.11903@charmed.internetsolver.com>


On Thu, 18 Jun 2009, David Bierce wrote:
> Highlights from the router.
>
> cisco 7204VXR (NPE225) processor (revision A) with 114688K/16384K
> bytes of memory.
> Looks like the load out sells for $10000 used.

Not in this decade :-) I've bought G1's for less than that. It has the 
slowest processor you can get in a VXR.

dave




-- 
Dave Weis
djweis at internetsolver.com
http://www.internetsolver.com/


From djweis at internetsolver.com  Thu Jun 18 12:45:36 2009
From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:45:36 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Cialug] Text file munging
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0906181243520.11903@charmed.internetsolver.com>


I have a bunch of individual email messages from mail.app that have been 
disassociated from their mailbox. I have tried copying them into the 
messages folder but they don't go because of two lines in the plist at the 
end. I need to remove
         <key>remote-id</key>
         <string>4294</string>
from 20,000 files. The number varies and the location at the end of the 
file can move a few lines at a time. I've tried my regex magic on it but 
don't have enough to get it working. Any help?

-- 
Dave Weis
djweis at internetsolver.com
http://www.internetsolver.com/


From david at bierce.org  Thu Jun 18 13:08:34 2009
From: david at bierce.org (David Bierce)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:08:34 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Datacenter Cleanup
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0906181242290.11903@charmed.internetsolver.com>
References: <678823f00906171953o51cf5251r793de7d255fe3acc@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A3A0EE00200002E00035159@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
	<4130C3E5-2EA2-4C6D-95F2-04A9D60C6381@bierce.org>
	<4A3A6967.7020609@dchamp.net>
	<337F2BF3-CC6D-41A8-8702-707E2BDAD122@bierce.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0906181242290.11903@charmed.internetsolver.com>
Message-ID: <2A3186C1-EB79-448D-A97A-05E5FB7C2D59@bierce.org>

Hey, it was a crown jewel of a router from the .com days. :)

I have the feeling the price isn't quite what accounting things.   
Apparently, we have the DS3 interfaces at 3k a piece.

Most of the equipment is older so I have to fight internally to  
convince them it isn't the same price as it was in good ole days.

If you're truly interested in anything, sent me a price and I can work  
internally to get things sold a rate closer to what I think market  
value is, but I have to offers already :)


On Jun 18, 2009, at 12:43 PM, Dave Weis wrote:

>
> On Thu, 18 Jun 2009, David Bierce wrote:
>> Highlights from the router.
>>
>> cisco 7204VXR (NPE225) processor (revision A) with 114688K/16384K
>> bytes of memory.
>> Looks like the load out sells for $10000 used.
>
> Not in this decade :-) I've bought G1's for less than that. It has the
> slowest processor you can get in a VXR.
>
> dave
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Dave Weis
> djweis at internetsolver.com
> http://www.internetsolver.com/
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>


From matthew at lechleider.com  Thu Jun 18 13:10:21 2009
From: matthew at lechleider.com (Matthew Lechleider)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:10:21 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Datacenter Cleanup
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0906181242290.11903@charmed.internetsolver.com>
References: <678823f00906171953o51cf5251r793de7d255fe3acc@mail.gmail.com>	<4A3A0EE00200002E00035159@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>	<4130C3E5-2EA2-4C6D-95F2-04A9D60C6381@bierce.org>	<4A3A6967.7020609@dchamp.net>	<337F2BF3-CC6D-41A8-8702-707E2BDAD122@bierce.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0906181242290.11903@charmed.internetsolver.com>
Message-ID: <4A3A830D.3000304@lechleider.com>

Dave Weis wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Jun 2009, David Bierce wrote:
>   
>> Highlights from the router.
>>
>> cisco 7204VXR (NPE225) processor (revision A) with 114688K/16384K
>> bytes of memory.
>> Looks like the load out sells for $10000 used.
>>     
>
> Not in this decade :-) I've bought G1's for less than that. It has the 
> slowest processor you can get in a VXR.
>
> dave
>
>
>
>
>   
Thank you Dave.....I bursted out laughing when I saw "Looks like the 
load out sells for $10000 used."

We buy used 7200's off ebay all the time for FAR less than that.

Cisco routers rarely die.

From dave at dchamp.net  Thu Jun 18 13:11:41 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:11:41 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Text file munging
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0906181243520.11903@charmed.internetsolver.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0906181243520.11903@charmed.internetsolver.com>
Message-ID: <4A3A835D.5060102@dchamp.net>

Write a script to loop thru the files, do a:

head -n -2 oldfile > newfile

-dc

Dave Weis wrote:
> I have a bunch of individual email messages from mail.app that have been 
> disassociated from their mailbox. I have tried copying them into the 
> messages folder but they don't go because of two lines in the plist at the 
> end. I need to remove
>          <key>remote-id</key>
>          <string>4294</string>
> from 20,000 files. The number varies and the location at the end of the 
> file can move a few lines at a time. I've tried my regex magic on it but 
> don't have enough to get it working. Any help?
>
>   


From dave at dchamp.net  Thu Jun 18 13:13:31 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:13:31 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Text file munging
In-Reply-To: <4A3A835D.5060102@dchamp.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0906181243520.11903@charmed.internetsolver.com>
	<4A3A835D.5060102@dchamp.net>
Message-ID: <4A3A83CB.1090209@dchamp.net>

Oh... missed the part where the # of lines varies. Sorry. :(

-dc

David Champion wrote:
> Write a script to loop thru the files, do a:
>
> head -n -2 oldfile > newfile
>
> -dc
>
> Dave Weis wrote:
>   
>> I have a bunch of individual email messages from mail.app that have been 
>> disassociated from their mailbox. I have tried copying them into the 
>> messages folder but they don't go because of two lines in the plist at the 
>> end. I need to remove
>>          <key>remote-id</key>
>>          <string>4294</string>
>> from 20,000 files. The number varies and the location at the end of the 
>> file can move a few lines at a time. I've tried my regex magic on it but 
>> don't have enough to get it working. Any help?
>>
>>   
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
>   


From jbailey at co.marshall.ia.us  Thu Jun 18 13:17:48 2009
From: jbailey at co.marshall.ia.us (Jonathan C. Bailey)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:17:48 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Datacenter Cleanup
In-Reply-To: <337F2BF3-CC6D-41A8-8702-707E2BDAD122@bierce.org>
Message-ID: <23753856.692971245349068578.JavaMail.root@zimbra>

What are the specs on the UPS?

-Jon

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Bierce" <david at bierce.org>
To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" <cialug at cialug.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 11:41:43 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Cialug] OT: Datacenter Cleanup

Highlights from the router.

cisco 7204VXR (NPE225) processor (revision A) with 114688K/16384K  
bytes of memory.
R527x CPU at 262MHz, Implementation 40, Rev 10.0, 2048KB L2 Cache
4 slot VXR midplane, Version 2.1
Number of Fast PAs = 3
Number of Fast+Medium PAs = 3
Total number of PA bandwidth points consumed = 590
3 FastEthernet/IEEE 802.3 interface(s)
1 ATM network interface(s)
125K bytes of non-volatile configuration memory.
20480K bytes of Flash PCMCIA card at slot 0 (Sector size 128K).
4096K bytes of Flash internal SIMM (Sector size 256K).
There is a spare DS3 interface not installed.

Looks like the load out sells for $10000 used.

--

The generator is a 2000 Vintage Cummins 80KW 3 Phase Natural Gas  
Generator.  I have more specs available, but it looks like the resale  
value in the midwest is around 8k.  I'll grab specs for the UPS when I  
get back into the office in a bit.  But if you're interested in both,  
we're doing a complete abandon, so a transfer switch and related  
electrical plant install can also go with it.

--

More on racks and hardware when I get back to Ames.




Dave








On Jun 18, 2009, at 11:20 AM, David Champion wrote:

> I'd be interested in hearing what you want for the Dell 2850's, and  
> what
> the specs are. SCA or SATA drives?
>
> -dc
>
> David Bierce wrote:
>> We're moving out of our data center and have lots of equipment that  
>> we
>> no longer require at our facility.  Before going through the normal
>> resale channels, I thought I'd see if any of you geeks had interest
>> buying the equipment.
>>
>> 7 Dell 42U Racks
>> FM 200 tank
>> Lots, lots, lots of power cables and Y cables.
>> Cisco 7206 with fast ethernet and DS3 cards
>> Cisco 2600 with some T1 cards
>> 80KW Natural Gas Generator
>> 15KvA UPS
>> Spool of Fiber
>> Fiber splicing and end making kit
>> 3com NBX100 with lots and lots of phones.
>> Some Dell 2850s
>> 6 Nortel Baystack 450-24T switches
>> Nortel Accelar 1200
>> Ascend MAX 4000
>>
>>
>> Still working out fair market value for a few things, but if you're
>> interested, let me know.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cialug mailing list
>> Cialug at cialug.org
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>

_______________________________________________
Cialug mailing list
Cialug at cialug.org
http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug

From chris at ia.gov  Thu Jun 18 13:46:34 2009
From: chris at ia.gov (chris)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:46:34 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Text file munging
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0906181243520.11903@charmed.internetsolver.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0906181243520.11903@charmed.internetsolver.com>
Message-ID: <4A3A8B8A.8070202@ia.gov>

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Dave Weis wrote:
> I have a bunch of individual email messages from mail.app that have been 
> disassociated from their mailbox. I have tried copying them into the 
> messages folder but they don't go because of two lines in the plist at the 
> end. I need to remove
>          <key>remote-id</key>
>          <string>4294</string>
> from 20,000 files. The number varies and the location at the end of the 
> file can move a few lines at a time. I've tried my regex magic on it but 
> don't have enough to get it working. Any help?
> 

If I understand what you need this may work, if not tell me w where I went wrong and I'll fix it.

perl -p -i -e 's/<(key|string)>.+<\/(key|string)>//' *


That'll *modify the original file* in place and leave a blank line where any

<key>.+</key>
<string>.+</string>

are found.

crr
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From cwfreeman at gmail.com  Thu Jun 18 13:47:55 2009
From: cwfreeman at gmail.com (Chris Freeman)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:47:55 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Text file munging
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0906181243520.11903@charmed.internetsolver.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0906181243520.11903@charmed.internetsolver.com>
Message-ID: <3afd8deb0906181147x2a466c05v7ebfdd09e72566ed@mail.gmail.com>

What's the format of 'remote-id'?
Are the <key> and <string> lines always at the same tab-stop in the files?
Do you need to remove all matching lines, or just the first?

With some assumptions, here goes:

for msg in `ls *.mail`
do
grep -v "\t<key>remote-id</key>" ${msg} | grep -v
"\t<string>.*<string>" > out/${msg}
done

Chris

On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Dave Weis<djweis at internetsolver.com> wrote:
>
> I have a bunch of individual email messages from mail.app that have been
> disassociated from their mailbox. I have tried copying them into the
> messages folder but they don't go because of two lines in the plist at the
> end. I need to remove
> ? ? ? ? <key>remote-id</key>
> ? ? ? ? <string>4294</string>
> from 20,000 files. The number varies and the location at the end of the
> file can move a few lines at a time. I've tried my regex magic on it but
> don't have enough to get it working. Any help?
>
> --
> Dave Weis
> djweis at internetsolver.com
> http://www.internetsolver.com/
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>

From newz at bearfruit.org  Thu Jun 18 14:19:33 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:19:33 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Text file munging
In-Reply-To: <4A3A8B8A.8070202@ia.gov>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0906181243520.11903@charmed.internetsolver.com>
	<4A3A8B8A.8070202@ia.gov>
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080906181219n5058d082t3fec64a86b67be12@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 1:46 PM, chris <chris at ia.gov> wrote:

> > end. I need to remove
> >          <key>remote-id</key>
> >          <string>4294</string>
>
> If I understand what you need this may work, if not tell me w where I went
> wrong and I'll fix it.
>
> perl -p -i -e 's/<(key|string)>.+<\/(key|string)>//' *
>
>
> That'll *modify the original file* in place and leave a blank line where
> any
>
> <key>.+</key>
> <string>.+</string>
>
>
Well, that could cause problems if there are other tags between the end of
</key> and beginning of </string> since the regex will be greedy. It will
actually match <key>.+</strong>
So <(key|string)>[^<]+</(key|string)> would work better, right?

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
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From zach at kotlarek.com  Thu Jun 18 14:32:27 2009
From: zach at kotlarek.com (Zachary Kotlarek)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:32:27 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Text file munging
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0906181243520.11903@charmed.internetsolver.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0906181243520.11903@charmed.internetsolver.com>
Message-ID: <2605FD4E-AEA0-46F5-9E96-7BD4C1502B8C@kotlarek.com>


On Jun 18, 2009, at 12:45 PM, Dave Weis wrote:

>
> I have a bunch of individual email messages from mail.app that have  
> been
> disassociated from their mailbox. I have tried copying them into the
> messages folder but they don't go because of two lines in the plist  
> at the
> end. I need to remove
>         <key>remote-id</key>
>         <string>4294</string>
> from 20,000 files. The number varies and the location at the end of  
> the
> file can move a few lines at a time. I've tried my regex magic on it  
> but
> don't have enough to get it working. Any help?

This works (at least on my .emlx files), and doesn't drop other string  
values you might need from the plist.

It does not do anything to protect plists in your message bodies  
though. I couldn't figure out how Apple was delimiting the plist at  
the end, or escaping plists in the body, and I was too lazy to read  
backwards from the end to find the last <plist> line.

Reads STDIN, writes STDOUT

--

#!/usr/bin/perl -w
use strict;

my $skip_next = 0;
while(<>) {
	if (/^\s*\<key\>remote\-id\<\/key\>\s*$/i) {
		$skip_next = 1;
	} elsif ($skip_next && /^\s*\<string\>\d+\<\/string\>\s*$/i) {
		$skip_next = 0;
	} else {
		print $_;
	}
}

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From rob at robfreiburger.com  Thu Jun 18 14:49:10 2009
From: rob at robfreiburger.com (Rob Freiburger)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:49:10 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Text file munging
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0906181243520.11903@charmed.internetsolver.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0906181243520.11903@charmed.internetsolver.com>
Message-ID: <F56A713E-5FE1-4564-A431-CBC21E51C66E@robfreiburger.com>

My suggestion is to install RegexBuddy (http://www.regexbuddy.com) in  
WINE and tailor the regex to whatever method you're using. I haven't  
been able to find a similar application that is as useful as  
RegexBuddy for Linux or Mac. I'm tempted to write one, but I've had no  
trouble running it in WINE or CrossOver.

With Best Regards,
Rob Freiburger

On Jun 18, 2009, at 12:45 PM, Dave Weis wrote:


I have a bunch of individual email messages from mail.app that have been
disassociated from their mailbox. I have tried copying them into the
messages folder but they don't go because of two lines in the plist at  
the
end. I need to remove
         <key>remote-id</key>
         <string>4294</string>
from 20,000 files. The number varies and the location at the end of the
file can move a few lines at a time. I've tried my regex magic on it but
don't have enough to get it working. Any help?

-- 
Dave Weis
djweis at internetsolver.com
http://www.internetsolver.com/

_______________________________________________
Cialug mailing list
Cialug at cialug.org
http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug

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From chris at ia.gov  Thu Jun 18 14:53:05 2009
From: chris at ia.gov (chris)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:53:05 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Text file munging
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4080906181219n5058d082t3fec64a86b67be12@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0906181243520.11903@charmed.internetsolver.com>	<4A3A8B8A.8070202@ia.gov>
	<f3c0b4080906181219n5058d082t3fec64a86b67be12@mail.gmail.com>
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> Well, that could cause problems if there are other tags between the end
> of </key> and beginning of </string> since the regex will be greedy. It
> will actually match <key>.+</strong>
> 
> So <(key|string)>[^<]+</(key|string)> would work better, right?
> 

Yes!  Good catch. :)
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From krbailey at gmail.com  Thu Jun 18 14:58:27 2009
From: krbailey at gmail.com (Kendall Bailey)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:58:27 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Text file munging
In-Reply-To: <F56A713E-5FE1-4564-A431-CBC21E51C66E@robfreiburger.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0906181243520.11903@charmed.internetsolver.com>
	<F56A713E-5FE1-4564-A431-CBC21E51C66E@robfreiburger.com>
Message-ID: <e03c6bae0906181258w1ec54c1o442c5af3f66233ba@mail.gmail.com>

I've never needed anything more that kodos ( http://kodos.sourceforge.net/ )


On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Rob Freiburger<rob at robfreiburger.com> wrote:
> My suggestion is to install RegexBuddy (http://www.regexbuddy.com) in WINE
> and tailor the regex to whatever method you're using. I haven't been able to
> find a similar application that is as useful as RegexBuddy for Linux or Mac.
> I'm tempted to write one, but I've had no trouble running it in WINE or
> CrossOver.
>
> With Best Regards,
> Rob Freiburger
>

From rob at robfreiburger.com  Thu Jun 18 15:06:35 2009
From: rob at robfreiburger.com (Rob Freiburger)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:06:35 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Text file munging
In-Reply-To: <e03c6bae0906181258w1ec54c1o442c5af3f66233ba@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0906181243520.11903@charmed.internetsolver.com>
	<F56A713E-5FE1-4564-A431-CBC21E51C66E@robfreiburger.com>
	<e03c6bae0906181258w1ec54c1o442c5af3f66233ba@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D16B9B64-5167-423D-BAC1-BC14822AF9CF@robfreiburger.com>

Problem is not every method uses PCRE. RegexBuddy lets you form  
regular expressions from natural language, then you can choose what  
language or regex method you're using and it will rewrite the regex to  
fit with the restrictions of choice the user made.

I've attached an image of languages/methods I can choose from on a  
default install of RegexBuddy.

With Best Regards,
Rob Freiburger
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On Jun 18, 2009, at 2:58 PM, Kendall Bailey wrote:

I've never needed anything more that kodos ( http://kodos.sourceforge.net/ 
  )


On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Rob Freiburger<rob at robfreiburger.com>  
wrote:
> My suggestion is to install RegexBuddy (http://www.regexbuddy.com)  
> in WINE
> and tailor the regex to whatever method you're using. I haven't been  
> able to
> find a similar application that is as useful as RegexBuddy for Linux  
> or Mac.
> I'm tempted to write one, but I've had no trouble running it in WINE  
> or
> CrossOver.
>
> With Best Regards,
> Rob Freiburger
>
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From zach at kotlarek.com  Thu Jun 18 15:10:25 2009
From: zach at kotlarek.com (Zachary Kotlarek)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:10:25 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Text file munging
In-Reply-To: <D16B9B64-5167-423D-BAC1-BC14822AF9CF@robfreiburger.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0906181243520.11903@charmed.internetsolver.com>
	<F56A713E-5FE1-4564-A431-CBC21E51C66E@robfreiburger.com>
	<e03c6bae0906181258w1ec54c1o442c5af3f66233ba@mail.gmail.com>
	<D16B9B64-5167-423D-BAC1-BC14822AF9CF@robfreiburger.com>
Message-ID: <9CE7D94B-5875-4E98-8B31-EBC3F21B31B2@kotlarek.com>


On Jun 18, 2009, at 3:06 PM, Rob Freiburger wrote:

> Problem is not every method uses PCRE.


Blasphemy!

	Zach


From djweis at internetsolver.com  Thu Jun 18 15:19:35 2009
From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:19:35 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Text file munging
In-Reply-To: <2605FD4E-AEA0-46F5-9E96-7BD4C1502B8C@kotlarek.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0906181243520.11903@charmed.internetsolver.com>
	<2605FD4E-AEA0-46F5-9E96-7BD4C1502B8C@kotlarek.com>
Message-ID: <4A3AA157.10703@internetsolver.com>


Zachary Kotlarek wrote:
> On Jun 18, 2009, at 12:45 PM, Dave Weis wrote:
>> I have a bunch of individual email messages from mail.app that have been
>> disassociated from their mailbox. I have tried copying them into the
>> messages folder but they don't go because of two lines in the plist at 
>> the
>> end. I need to remove
>>         <key>remote-id</key>
>>         <string>4294</string>
>> from 20,000 files. The number varies and the location at the end of the
>> file can move a few lines at a time. I've tried my regex magic on it but
>> don't have enough to get it working. Any help?
> 
> This works (at least on my .emlx files), and doesn't drop other string 
> values you might need from the plist.
> 
> It does not do anything to protect plists in your message bodies though. 
> I couldn't figure out how Apple was delimiting the plist at the end, or 
> escaping plists in the body, and I was too lazy to read backwards from 
> the end to find the last <plist> line.
> 
> Reads STDIN, writes STDOUT
> 
> -- 
> 
> #!/usr/bin/perl -w
> use strict;
> 
> my $skip_next = 0;
> while(<>) {
>     if (/^\s*\<key\>remote\-id\<\/key\>\s*$/i) {
>         $skip_next = 1;
>     } elsif ($skip_next && /^\s*\<string\>\d+\<\/string\>\s*$/i) {
>         $skip_next = 0;
>     } else {
>         print $_;
>     }
> }

This does do what I want, any good idea on how I can make it either edit 
in place or spit it out to a different directory with the same name?

I probably should have provided more context in the first request, 
there's a handful of key/value pairs so I can't remove them all.

I guess I can probably for loop it and get this chunk to work if it's 
not easily doable.

Thanks!!

dave




-- 
Dave Weis
515-224-9229
djweis at internetsolver.com
http://www.internetsolver.com/

From zach at kotlarek.com  Thu Jun 18 15:34:14 2009
From: zach at kotlarek.com (Zachary Kotlarek)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:34:14 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Text file munging
In-Reply-To: <4A3AA157.10703@internetsolver.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0906181243520.11903@charmed.internetsolver.com>
	<2605FD4E-AEA0-46F5-9E96-7BD4C1502B8C@kotlarek.com>
	<4A3AA157.10703@internetsolver.com>
Message-ID: <6C64B9B8-C6C0-428D-9DC1-6C9DAAC29687@kotlarek.com>


On Jun 18, 2009, at 3:19 PM, Dave Weis wrote:

> This does do what I want, any good idea on how I can make it either  
> edit
> in place or spit it out to a different directory with the same name?
>
> I probably should have provided more context in the first request,
> there's a handful of key/value pairs so I can't remove them all.
>
> I guess I can probably for loop it and get this chunk to work if it's
> not easily doable.


Reads from first argument. Writes to second argument. Those must be  
different files or you'll end up with a whole lot of nothing.

You should be able to `find ... -exec clean.pl {} ../output/{} \;` to  
loop through things.

	Zach

#!/usr/bin/perl -w
use strict;

open(IN, $ARGV[0]) or die("Invalid input file\n");
open(OUT, '>', $ARGV[1]) or die("Invalid output file\n");

my $skip_next = 0;
while(<IN>) {
    if (/^\s*\<key\>remote\-id\<\/key\>\s*$/i) {
        $skip_next = 1;
    } elsif ($skip_next && /^\s*\<string\>\d+\<\/string\>\s*$/i) {
        $skip_next = 0;
    } else {
        print OUT $_;
    }
}


close(OUT);
close(IN);


From jroach at simplicitysys.com  Thu Jun 18 17:16:35 2009
From: jroach at simplicitysys.com (John Roach)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:16:35 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Datacenter Cleanup
In-Reply-To: <4130C3E5-2EA2-4C6D-95F2-04A9D60C6381@bierce.org>
References: <678823f00906171953o51cf5251r793de7d255fe3acc@mail.gmail.com>	<4A3A0EE00200002E00035159@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
	<4130C3E5-2EA2-4C6D-95F2-04A9D60C6381@bierce.org>
Message-ID: <4A3ABCC3.2030905@simplicitysys.com>

Feel free to let me know what type of term kit and ends for the fiber. 
My term kit walked off.

David Bierce wrote:
> We're moving out of our data center and have lots of equipment that we  
> no longer require at our facility.  Before going through the normal  
> resale channels, I thought I'd see if any of you geeks had interest  
> buying the equipment.
>
> 7 Dell 42U Racks
> FM 200 tank
> Lots, lots, lots of power cables and Y cables.
> Cisco 7206 with fast ethernet and DS3 cards
> Cisco 2600 with some T1 cards
> 80KW Natural Gas Generator
> 15KvA UPS
> Spool of Fiber
> Fiber splicing and end making kit
> 3com NBX100 with lots and lots of phones.
> Some Dell 2850s
> 6 Nortel Baystack 450-24T switches
> Nortel Accelar 1200
> Ascend MAX 4000
>
>
> Still working out fair market value for a few things, but if you're  
> interested, let me know.
>
> Dave
>
> _______________________________________________
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>   


From davidbody at bigcreek.com  Thu Jun 18 19:08:13 2009
From: davidbody at bigcreek.com (David W. Body)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:08:13 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Linux equivalent to OS X hdiutil
Message-ID: <dd7be6790906181708w4bd7a745mdb3b0e2e70817079@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

Is there a Linux equivalent to the OS X hdiutil command?

I want to create a sparse, compressed, read-write disk image that will grow
as necessary when data is added to it.

--David W. Body / Big Creek Software, LLC
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From cmlburnett at gmail.com  Thu Jun 18 22:27:56 2009
From: cmlburnett at gmail.com (Colin Burnett)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 22:27:56 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] MIDI anyone?
Message-ID: <e3686ee50906182027o3893ebb8hef2a48b8df1aecfc@mail.gmail.com>

I've got a Yamaha P-85 & UX-16 and can play/record through ALSA with
aplaymidi and arecordmidi.  Not sure what's the next step.
http://linux-sound.org/ has a ton of stuff but a lot of out-dated
stuff.  I'm at kind of an information overload.

My immediate goal is to be able to use the P-85 as a controller for
software produced sounds through some software synth.  Any tips or
suggestions?


Colin

From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com  Thu Jun 18 22:40:15 2009
From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 22:40:15 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] MIDI anyone?
In-Reply-To: <e3686ee50906182027o3893ebb8hef2a48b8df1aecfc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e3686ee50906182027o3893ebb8hef2a48b8df1aecfc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D43921B1695991468329C1A7296519C05C56B751DD@exchange2k7.ipmvs.com>

I also have interest in this and MIDI in general.  We have a Yamaha piano with MIDI connections  that I'm interested in giving the kids more options with to keep them interested in music and playing.

-Nate
________________________________________
From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Colin Burnett [cmlburnett at gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 10:27 PM
To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
Subject: [Cialug] MIDI anyone?

I've got a Yamaha P-85 & UX-16 and can play/record through ALSA with
aplaymidi and arecordmidi.  Not sure what's the next step.
http://linux-sound.org/ has a ton of stuff but a lot of out-dated
stuff.  I'm at kind of an information overload.

My immediate goal is to be able to use the P-85 as a controller for
software produced sounds through some software synth.  Any tips or
suggestions?


Colin
_______________________________________________
Cialug mailing list
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From cmlburnett at gmail.com  Thu Jun 18 22:55:41 2009
From: cmlburnett at gmail.com (Colin Burnett)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 22:55:41 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] MIDI anyone?
In-Reply-To: <D43921B1695991468329C1A7296519C05C56B751DD@exchange2k7.ipmvs.com>
References: <e3686ee50906182027o3893ebb8hef2a48b8df1aecfc@mail.gmail.com>
	<D43921B1695991468329C1A7296519C05C56B751DD@exchange2k7.ipmvs.com>
Message-ID: <e3686ee50906182055v7132cdfaq748f73180850fc30@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Nathan C. Smith<nathan.smith at ipmvs.com> wrote:
> We have a Yamaha piano with MIDI connections

On that note, I got the Yamaha UX-16 ($42 on Amazon).  There are
cheaper ones (sub $10) but I wasn't sure if they were supported.  It
uses the snd-usb-audio ALSA driver (SND_USB_AUDIO for 2.6.29).  My
primary audio card is a built-in nvidia AC97 chip (an intel 8x0
driver) so that's card 0 and the UX-16 is card 1.  Relevant config:


alias snd-card-0 snd-intel8x0
options snd-intel8x0 enable=1 index=0

alias snd-card-1 snd-usb-audio
options and-usb-audio enable=1 index=1

options snd cards_limit=2


To use it:
$ aplaymidi -l
 Port    Client name                      Port name
 14:0    Midi Through                     Midi Through Port-0
 20:0    UX16                             UX16 MIDI 1
$ aplaymidi beethoven_furelise.mid -p 20:0

Pretty easy looking back on getting it setup. :)


Colin

From cmlburnett at gmail.com  Thu Jun 18 23:34:03 2009
From: cmlburnett at gmail.com (Colin Burnett)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 23:34:03 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] MIDI anyone?
In-Reply-To: <e3686ee50906182027o3893ebb8hef2a48b8df1aecfc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e3686ee50906182027o3893ebb8hef2a48b8df1aecfc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e3686ee50906182134i154f2faehc0abae432407248@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Colin Burnett<cmlburnett at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> My immediate goal is to be able to use the P-85 as a controller for
> software produced sounds through some software synth.  Any tips or
> suggestions?

I found Rosegarden (see Wikipedia) and I can compose in Rosegarden and
play it on my keyboard but I haven't figured out how to record notes I
play on the keyboard into Rosegarden.  I hit record and nothing shows
up.  Operator error I presume.


Colin

From tdwalton at gmail.com  Fri Jun 19 05:54:47 2009
From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 05:54:47 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Linux equivalent to OS X hdiutil
In-Reply-To: <dd7be6790906181708w4bd7a745mdb3b0e2e70817079@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dd7be6790906181708w4bd7a745mdb3b0e2e70817079@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e1d8c6520906190354i5bb9fc1dmb02ba55a488afbd5@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 7:08 PM, David W. Body<davidbody at bigcreek.com> wrote:
> Is there a Linux equivalent to the OS X hdiutil command?
>
> I want to create a sparse, compressed, read-write disk image that will grow
> as necessary when data is added to it.

Maybe qemu-img?

--
Todd

From tom at tcpconsulting.com  Fri Jun 19 09:11:14 2009
From: tom at tcpconsulting.com (Tom Pohl)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:11:14 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Linux equivalent to OS X hdiutil
In-Reply-To: <dd7be6790906181708w4bd7a745mdb3b0e2e70817079@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dd7be6790906181708w4bd7a745mdb3b0e2e70817079@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D1D2026B-C76F-4CAB-A8F8-777C26365A78@tcpconsulting.com>

I'd bet TrueCrypt will give you what you're looking for with the added  
benefit of encryption :)

http://www.truecrypt.org/

-Tom

On Jun 18, 2009, at 7:08 PM, David W. Body wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Is there a Linux equivalent to the OS X hdiutil command?
>
> I want to create a sparse, compressed, read-write disk image that  
> will grow as necessary when data is added to it.
>
> --David W. Body / Big Creek Software, LLC
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug


From djweis at internetsolver.com  Fri Jun 19 09:20:32 2009
From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:20:32 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Linux equivalent to OS X hdiutil
In-Reply-To: <D1D2026B-C76F-4CAB-A8F8-777C26365A78@tcpconsulting.com>
References: <dd7be6790906181708w4bd7a745mdb3b0e2e70817079@mail.gmail.com>
	<D1D2026B-C76F-4CAB-A8F8-777C26365A78@tcpconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4A3B9EB0.1080403@internetsolver.com>


I don't know about the compressed or grow as necessary but you can make 
a sparse file with dd, make a filesystem on it, and then loopback mount 
it. Something like

dd if=/dev/null of=disk.img bs=1M count=100
mkfs -t ext3 disk.img
mount -o rw,loop disk.img /mnt/image

Rough guess but approximately correct.

dave



Tom Pohl wrote:
> I'd bet TrueCrypt will give you what you're looking for with the added  
> benefit of encryption :)
> 
> http://www.truecrypt.org/
> 
> -Tom
> 
> On Jun 18, 2009, at 7:08 PM, David W. Body wrote:
> 
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Is there a Linux equivalent to the OS X hdiutil command?
>>
>> I want to create a sparse, compressed, read-write disk image that  
>> will grow as necessary when data is added to it.
>>
>> --David W. Body / Big Creek Software, LLC
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cialug mailing list
>> Cialug at cialug.org
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug




-- 
Dave Weis
515-224-9229
djweis at internetsolver.com
http://www.internetsolver.com/

From eric at eric.nu  Fri Jun 19 09:42:36 2009
From: eric at eric.nu (Eric Junker)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:42:36 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Linux equivalent to OS X hdiutil
In-Reply-To: <dd7be6790906181708w4bd7a745mdb3b0e2e70817079@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dd7be6790906181708w4bd7a745mdb3b0e2e70817079@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A3BA3DC.8080403@eric.nu>

David W. Body wrote:
> I want to create a sparse, compressed, read-write disk image that will 
> grow as necessary when data is added to it.

If you want a compressed filesystem you could use ZFS on FreeBSD or 
there are some userland filesystems such as compFUSEd and fusecompress.

Eric


From newz at bearfruit.org  Fri Jun 19 09:43:57 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:43:57 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] MIDI anyone?
In-Reply-To: <e3686ee50906182027o3893ebb8hef2a48b8df1aecfc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e3686ee50906182027o3893ebb8hef2a48b8df1aecfc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080906190743t5fcd900cm169ef7e87f45844f@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Colin Burnett <cmlburnett at gmail.com>wrote:

> I've got a Yamaha P-85 & UX-16 and can play/record through ALSA with
> aplaymidi and arecordmidi.  Not sure what's the next step.
> http://linux-sound.org/ has a ton of stuff but a lot of out-dated
> stuff.  I'm at kind of an information overload.
>
> My immediate goal is to be able to use the P-85 as a controller for
> software produced sounds through some software synth.  Any tips or
> suggestions?
>
>
I looked into this earlier this year and I found this is one of the few
areas where the OSS software is just no where even close to the commercial
software. Call it "consumer to mid-level professional audio composition and
playback."

I downloaded the trial of Sequel 2 by Steinberg, which is an entry level,
consumer oriented tool and was blown away. Even on my son's underpowered
computer (relative to the suggested specs) it was doing some pretty amazing
stuff and my 8 year old was mixing tracks and composing some (to him) cool
music using the onscreen tools and our USB keyboard.

Correct me if I'm wrong, and I'd be delighted to be wrong, but I haven't
seen anything like this in the OSS world, regardless of the operating
system. Maybe the Linux world has been hampered because of our moving-target
audio infrastructure (oss/alsa/pulseaudio)

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
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From newz at bearfruit.org  Fri Jun 19 09:49:13 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:49:13 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Linux equivalent to OS X hdiutil
In-Reply-To: <dd7be6790906181708w4bd7a745mdb3b0e2e70817079@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dd7be6790906181708w4bd7a745mdb3b0e2e70817079@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080906190749s23f6d9f5i649be7881d9d30ea@mail.gmail.com>

Not tried it but I did a quick search and found this:
http://code.google.com/p/fuse-zip/

fuse-zip is a FUSE file system to navigate, extract, create and modify ZIP
archives based in libzip implemented in C++.

With fuse-zip you really can work with ZIP archives as real directories.
Unlike KIO or Gnome VFS, it can be used in any application without
modifications.

Unlike other FUSE filesystems, only fuse-zip provides write support to ZIP
archives. Also, fuse-zip is faster that all known implementations on large
archives with many files.

On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 7:08 PM, David W. Body <davidbody at bigcreek.com>wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Is there a Linux equivalent to the OS X hdiutil command?
>
> I want to create a sparse, compressed, read-write disk image that will grow
> as necessary when data is added to it.
>
> --David W. Body / Big Creek Software, LLC
>
>
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From cmlburnett at gmail.com  Fri Jun 19 09:51:46 2009
From: cmlburnett at gmail.com (Colin Burnett)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:51:46 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] MIDI anyone?
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4080906190743t5fcd900cm169ef7e87f45844f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e3686ee50906182027o3893ebb8hef2a48b8df1aecfc@mail.gmail.com>
	<f3c0b4080906190743t5fcd900cm169ef7e87f45844f@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Matthew Nuzum<newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:
>
> I looked into this earlier this year and I found this is one of the few
> areas where the OSS software is just no where even close to the commercial
> software. Call it "consumer to mid-level professional audio composition and
> playback."

I haven't tried any commercial software to have a comparison.
Rosegarden seems pretty nice but I'm not sure how to use it very well.
 I composed a song and played it on my keyboard over MIDI.  Great, but
now I want it to synthesize it in software and take notes from the
keyboard, which I believe it requires a software synth like timidity
to do so.  Stuff commercial software has solved long ago.

I'm sure the voices/sound fonts are horribly lacking for FOSS so that
may be the ultimate driver for me to commercial software but I'm
willing to give it a shot first.

> Maybe the Linux world has been hampered because of our moving-target
> audio infrastructure (oss/alsa/pulseaudio)

And there's JACK on top of that: something else I don't have set up
(Rosegarden complains HZ in my kernel is too high to be real-time so
there's another recompile).  And I haven't found a good HOWTO yet to
do all this from hardware to software.  Perhaps I should write one...


Colin

From dave at dchamp.net  Fri Jun 19 10:04:40 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 10:04:40 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] MIDI anyone?
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4080906190743t5fcd900cm169ef7e87f45844f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e3686ee50906182027o3893ebb8hef2a48b8df1aecfc@mail.gmail.com>
	<f3c0b4080906190743t5fcd900cm169ef7e87f45844f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A3BA908.7020400@dchamp.net>

Matthew Nuzum wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Colin Burnett <cmlburnett at gmail.com 
> <mailto:cmlburnett at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     I've got a Yamaha P-85 & UX-16 and can play/record through ALSA with
>     aplaymidi and arecordmidi.  Not sure what's the next step.
>     http://linux-sound.org/ has a ton of stuff but a lot of out-dated
>     stuff.  I'm at kind of an information overload.
>
>     My immediate goal is to be able to use the P-85 as a controller for
>     software produced sounds through some software synth.  Any tips or
>     suggestions?
>
>
> I looked into this earlier this year and I found this is one of the 
> few areas where the OSS software is just no where even close to the 
> commercial software. Call it "consumer to mid-level professional audio 
> composition and playback."
>
> I downloaded the trial of Sequel 2 by Steinberg, which is an entry 
> level, consumer oriented tool and was blown away. Even on my son's 
> underpowered computer (relative to the suggested specs) it was doing 
> some pretty amazing stuff and my 8 year old was mixing tracks and 
> composing some (to him) cool music using the onscreen tools and our 
> USB keyboard.
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, and I'd be delighted to be wrong, but I 
> haven't seen anything like this in the OSS world, regardless of the 
> operating system. Maybe the Linux world has been hampered because of 
> our moving-target audio infrastructure (oss/alsa/pulseaudio)
>
> -- 
> Matthew Nuzum
> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca <http://identi.ca> 
> and twitter

I think you're right... the OSS music software seems to be pretty far 
behind. I loaded about every piece of OSS synth / sequencer / tracker / 
composer software I could find in the Mandriva repo's, and didn't find 
too much that was either user friendly enough or functional enough to 
really use much.

There are plenty of packages that look similar enough to stuff I used on 
my Amiga in 1990, but it's nothing like what I've seen people using on 
Windows or Mac.

I'd be interested if anyone has suggestions on OSS software in this 
category, or a demo of how to use some of it. I'm guessing it's kind of 
like using GIMP - it does neat thing, but you have to learn the 
interface first.

Not that I need to revive another old hobby...

-dc


From zach at kotlarek.com  Fri Jun 19 11:23:35 2009
From: zach at kotlarek.com (Zachary Kotlarek)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 11:23:35 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Linux equivalent to OS X hdiutil
In-Reply-To: <D1D2026B-C76F-4CAB-A8F8-777C26365A78@tcpconsulting.com>
References: <dd7be6790906181708w4bd7a745mdb3b0e2e70817079@mail.gmail.com>
	<D1D2026B-C76F-4CAB-A8F8-777C26365A78@tcpconsulting.com>
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On Jun 19, 2009, at 9:11 AM, Tom Pohl wrote:

> I'd bet TrueCrypt will give you what you're looking for with the added
> benefit of encryption :)
>
> http://www.truecrypt.org/


Have they added support for sparse images on non-NTFS parent file  
systems? Last I saw you had to be running Windows to use a sparse disk  
image, and had to be willing to reveal your sector usage bitmap in  
order to do that.

Regardless, compressed and read-write is a tall order on any OS  
(hdiutil doesn't do it either) -- there are several choices for  
building disk images on linux, several of which can be used while  
compressed, but the only thing I've ever heard of that allows read- 
write access to a compressed store is some of the FUSE frontends ZIP  
files and the like.

	Zach


From davidbody at bigcreek.com  Fri Jun 19 13:50:46 2009
From: davidbody at bigcreek.com (David W. Body)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:50:46 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Linux equivalent to OS X hdiutil
In-Reply-To: <EE80C844-C577-4AE6-9204-74F361BEDB1B@kotlarek.com>
References: <dd7be6790906181708w4bd7a745mdb3b0e2e70817079@mail.gmail.com> 
	<D1D2026B-C76F-4CAB-A8F8-777C26365A78@tcpconsulting.com>
	<EE80C844-C577-4AE6-9204-74F361BEDB1B@kotlarek.com>
Message-ID: <dd7be6790906191150u1efeeda5r6164229b5b172c61@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Zachary Kotlarek <zach at kotlarek.com>wrote:

>
> On Jun 19, 2009, at 9:11 AM, Tom Pohl wrote:
>
> > I'd bet TrueCrypt will give you what you're looking for with the added
> > benefit of encryption :)
> >
> > http://www.truecrypt.org/
>
>
> Have they added support for sparse images on non-NTFS parent file
> systems? Last I saw you had to be running Windows to use a sparse disk
> image, and had to be willing to reveal your sector usage bitmap in
> order to do that.
>
> Regardless, compressed and read-write is a tall order on any OS
> (hdiutil doesn't do it either) -- there are several choices for
> building disk images on linux, several of which can be used while
> compressed, but the only thing I've ever heard of that allows read-
> write access to a compressed store is some of the FUSE frontends ZIP
> files and the like.
>
>        Zach
>

Maybe "sparse, compressed, read-write" isn't the correct description because
I only want to write it once, but hdiutil will create a sparse, compressed
disk image from a directory as follows:

  hdiutil create -srcfolder my_directory -format UDZO my-diskimage.dmg

--David
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From mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu  Fri Jun 19 14:46:09 2009
From: mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu (Mathew R. Phillips)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:46:09 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Josh's Blog
Message-ID: <7D5145B2B2D81944999D746098747FB106FBCC@WARTBURG-EVS-01.wartburg.edu>


Hey i was on the starmind site and I noticed your blog text rolls off the side of the green border and you cant read it unless you highlight everything. Not a crazy big deal but just in case you didn't realize it.

Matt
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From afan at afan.net  Fri Jun 19 14:59:09 2009
From: afan at afan.net (Afan Pasalic)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:59:09 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Josh's Blog
In-Reply-To: <7D5145B2B2D81944999D746098747FB106FBCC@WARTBURG-EVS-01.wartburg.edu>
References: <7D5145B2B2D81944999D746098747FB106FBCC@WARTBURG-EVS-01.wartburg.edu>
Message-ID: <4A3BEE0D.4080202@afan.net>

Josh asked me to help him with that, but...
Blame me.
:-)

Afan



Mathew R. Phillips wrote:
>
> Hey i was on the starmind site and I noticed your blog text rolls off 
> the side of the green border and you cant read it unless you highlight 
> everything. Not a crazy big deal but just in case you didn't realize it.
>
> Matt
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>   

From zach at kotlarek.com  Fri Jun 19 15:06:00 2009
From: zach at kotlarek.com (Zachary Kotlarek)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 15:06:00 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Linux equivalent to OS X hdiutil
In-Reply-To: <dd7be6790906191150u1efeeda5r6164229b5b172c61@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dd7be6790906181708w4bd7a745mdb3b0e2e70817079@mail.gmail.com>
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On Jun 19, 2009, at 1:50 PM, David W. Body wrote:

> Maybe "sparse, compressed, read-write" isn't the correct description  
> because I only want to write it once, but hdiutil will create a  
> sparse, compressed disk image from a directory as follows:
>
>   hdiutil create -srcfolder my_directory -format UDZO my-diskimage.dmg


That's just a gzip-compressed read-only disk image. UDZO is "sparse"  
in that the unallocated blocks aren't included in the image, but it  
can't grow as you add data because you can't add data.

hdiutil can create what it calls "sparse" images -- files (or bundles)  
that grow as you allocate blocks -- with the UDSP and UDSB formats.  
But in those formats the allocated blocks aren't compressed, the  
images simply excludes the unallocated blocks so that you don't need  
to consume the entire image size until it's actually used.

Are you trying to create a read-only image with compressed data or  
create a read-write image that excludes unallocated blocks? Or is  
there some third option I'm missing?

	Zach

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From newz at bearfruit.org  Fri Jun 19 15:26:25 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 15:26:25 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Josh's Blog
In-Reply-To: <4A3BEE0D.4080202@afan.net>
References: <7D5145B2B2D81944999D746098747FB106FBCC@WARTBURG-EVS-01.wartburg.edu>
	<4A3BEE0D.4080202@afan.net>
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On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Afan Pasalic <afan at afan.net> wrote:

> Josh asked me to help him with that, but...
> Blame me.
> :-)
>
>
I've got a few problems with my blog. Can I blame you for that too? If so,
is that a service you charge for or can I blame you for free?

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
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From morej at alliancetechnologies.net  Fri Jun 19 15:59:16 2009
From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 15:59:16 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Josh's Blog
Message-ID: <4A3BB5D40200002E0003522B@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>

Yeah, the core problem is that if you've not done any real web
development since 2003 and you attempt to merge themes between Joomla
and Wordpress, things don't go quite as expected.  Since Afan has done
web development more recently than I, he is going to help me get a
better theme together that doesn't have odd little issues here and
there.

Most people don't really notice, as they tend to read me in their RSS
readers.  :)




-Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC 
 morej at alliancetechnologies.net 
 515-245-7701

>>> "Mathew R. Phillips" <mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu> 06/19/09 2:46 PM
>>>

Hey i was on the starmind site and I noticed your blog text rolls off
the side of the green border and you cant read it unless you highlight
everything. Not a crazy big deal but just in case you didn't realize it.

Matt


From dave at dchamp.net  Fri Jun 19 16:05:44 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:05:44 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Proxy servers for Iran
In-Reply-To: <da2fbfa30906152036y3921a930la275bf1cd28e78b1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A368EC30200002E00034F26@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
	<da2fbfa30906152036y3921a930la275bf1cd28e78b1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A3BFDA8.8060600@dchamp.net>

Not that I would discourage people from helping, just beware that there 
may be repercussions to your actions:

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/06/19/1737207/Man-Attacked-In-Ohio-For-Providing-Iran-Proxies?from=rss

-dc


From morej at alliancetechnologies.net  Fri Jun 19 16:13:11 2009
From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:13:11 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Proxy servers for Iran
Message-ID: <4A3BB9170200002E00035230@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>

Unless one lives in a sensory deprivation tank, there are generally
repercussions to one's actions.

I want to point out, however, that running a generic proxy server and
handing out a single IP is very different from being the active
coordinator of an international freedom movement against a hostile
government.

Like most things, it's about balancing risk and reward.



-Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC 
 morej at alliancetechnologies.net 
 515-245-7701

>>> David Champion <dave at dchamp.net> 06/19/09 4:04 PM >>>
Not that I would discourage people from helping, just beware that there 
may be repercussions to your actions:

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/06/19/1737207/Man-Attacked-In-Ohio-For-Providing-Iran-Proxies?from=rss

-dc

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From nfox at foxmediasystems.com  Sat Jun 20 02:00:35 2009
From: nfox at foxmediasystems.com (Nick Fox)
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 02:00:35 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Josh's Blog
In-Reply-To: <4A3BB5D40200002E0003522B@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
References: <4A3BB5D40200002E0003522B@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <4A3C8913.507@foxmediasystems.com>

Nothing more than a quick look and a guess...

The CSS class for "main" appears to be set to a static size with an 
absolute position. This could be coming from any of the containers it 
resides in as well...you have a real css mess on your hands there from 
the looks of things ;) good luck.

-Nick

Josh More wrote:
> Yeah, the core problem is that if you've not done any real web
> development since 2003 and you attempt to merge themes between Joomla
> and Wordpress, things don't go quite as expected.  Since Afan has done
> web development more recently than I, he is going to help me get a
> better theme together that doesn't have odd little issues here and
> there.
>
> Most people don't really notice, as they tend to read me in their RSS
> readers.  :)
>
>
>
>
> -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC 
>  morej at alliancetechnologies.net 
>  515-245-7701
>
>   
>>>> "Mathew R. Phillips" <mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu> 06/19/09 2:46 PM
>>>>
>>>>         
>
> Hey i was on the starmind site and I noticed your blog text rolls off
> the side of the green border and you cant read it unless you highlight
> everything. Not a crazy big deal but just in case you didn't realize it.
>
> Matt
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>   


-- 
Nick Fox

Fox Media Systems, LLC
Owner / President
1338 57th St.
Des Moines, IA 50311
www.foxmediasystems.com


From davidbody at bigcreek.com  Sat Jun 20 08:03:42 2009
From: davidbody at bigcreek.com (David W. Body)
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 08:03:42 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Linux equivalent to OS X hdiutil
In-Reply-To: <C2C3EAF2-9E82-4A1C-BFE0-FFCE1B55F98F@kotlarek.com>
References: <dd7be6790906181708w4bd7a745mdb3b0e2e70817079@mail.gmail.com> 
	<D1D2026B-C76F-4CAB-A8F8-777C26365A78@tcpconsulting.com>
	<EE80C844-C577-4AE6-9204-74F361BEDB1B@kotlarek.com> 
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On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Zachary Kotlarek <zach at kotlarek.com> wrote:

>
> On Jun 19, 2009, at 1:50 PM, David W. Body wrote:
>
>  Maybe "sparse, compressed, read-write" isn't the correct description
>> because I only want to write it once, but hdiutil will create a sparse,
>> compressed disk image from a directory as follows:
>>
>>  hdiutil create -srcfolder my_directory -format UDZO my-diskimage.dmg
>>
>
>
> That's just a gzip-compressed read-only disk image. UDZO is "sparse" in
> that the unallocated blocks aren't included in the image, but it can't grow
> as you add data because you can't add data.
>
> hdiutil can create what it calls "sparse" images -- files (or bundles) that
> grow as you allocate blocks -- with the UDSP and UDSB formats. But in those
> formats the allocated blocks aren't compressed, the images simply excludes
> the unallocated blocks so that you don't need to consume the entire image
> size until it's actually used.
>
> Are you trying to create a read-only image with compressed data or create a
> read-write image that excludes unallocated blocks? Or is there some third
> option I'm missing?
>
>        Zach


Zach,

Thanks for the clarification.  I realize now that I didn't really ask the
question I intended to.

I want to be able to create backups of directories in a reasonably efficient
compressed format.  I don't need to be able to add data after the backup is
created.  Under OS X, I've found that hdiutil does a decent job of this with
the added bonus that the disk images it creates are convenient to work with
because they can easily be mounted and unmounted, transferred to other
media, etc.  I'm looking for something similar on Linux.  My fallback will
be gzipped tar files, but that feels like a step backward.

--David
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From ajeffri at n0nro.org  Sat Jun 20 10:39:05 2009
From: ajeffri at n0nro.org (Anthony Jeffries)
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 10:39:05 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Cialug] Garage Sale
Message-ID: <44875.12.152.201.90.1245512345.squirrel@betelgeuse.n0nro.org>

My employer, Coach House Gifts, is having a garage sale today in Ames at
1609 Golden Aspen Drive, #104. (Google Map here:
http://tinyurl.com/kpmm9o)

Per normal ham radio custom (this is also going to a ham list), I'm not
posting prices here, but I can tell you that we're desperate to clean out
lots of storage, and we'll sell pretty cheap...we have printers (lots of
old laser printers), a couple of working laptops, some Pentium 4 IBM's
that may or may not have bad capacitors, older computers (maybe a few
pentium IIIs, but mostly older Athlon equipment), used hard drives (most
under 5GB), some electrical wall plates, a vent fan and a ceiling fan,
among other things. Also, there are lots of old laptop parts. So many
CDROM drives, ISU Surplus would be proud. I also saw a couple of USB
flatbed scanners.

It goes until 2 PM.

-- 
Tony Jeffries
ajeffri at n0nro.org
N0NRO at W0AK.#CIA.IA.USA.NOAM


From mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu  Sat Jun 20 10:58:57 2009
From: mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu (Mathew R. Phillips)
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 10:58:57 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Linux and Scribd
Message-ID: <7D5145B2B2D81944999D746098747FB106FBCD@WARTBURG-EVS-01.wartburg.edu>


Has anyone had success viewing docs on Scribd with any linux distro? I'm running debian and when i go to a document the reader is blank and i can't click any of the buttons on the top of the reader (like the one to download the file so I can read it anyway)

Matt


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From mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu  Sat Jun 20 11:00:26 2009
From: mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu (Mathew R. Phillips)
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 11:00:26 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Linux and Scribd
References: <7D5145B2B2D81944999D746098747FB106FBCD@WARTBURG-EVS-01.wartburg.edu>
Message-ID: <7D5145B2B2D81944999D746098747FB106FBCE@WARTBURG-EVS-01.wartburg.edu>


Update: I guess I can download the pdf's now but i'm still curious to why it wont work in the browser

-----Original Message-----
From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org on behalf of Mathew R. Phillips
Sent: Sat 6/20/2009 10:58 AM
To: cialug at cialug.org
Subject: [Cialug] Linux and Scribd
 

Has anyone had success viewing docs on Scribd with any linux distro? I'm running debian and when i go to a document the reader is blank and i can't click any of the buttons on the top of the reader (like the one to download the file so I can read it anyway)

Matt



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From zach at kotlarek.com  Sat Jun 20 12:37:06 2009
From: zach at kotlarek.com (Zachary Kotlarek)
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 12:37:06 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Linux equivalent to OS X hdiutil
In-Reply-To: <dd7be6790906200603m7c35f9d9l6b47efac71e2246e@mail.gmail.com>
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On Jun 20, 2009, at 8:03 AM, David W. Body wrote:

> I want to be able to create backups of directories in a reasonably  
> efficient compressed format.  I don't need to be able to add data  
> after the backup is created.  Under OS X, I've found that hdiutil  
> does a decent job of this with the added bonus that the disk images  
> it creates are convenient to work with because they can easily be  
> mounted and unmounted, transferred to other media, etc.  I'm looking  
> for something similar on Linux.  My fallback will be gzipped tar  
> files, but that feels like a step backward.


I'd suggest squashfs -- a read-only file system that automatically  
does de-duplication and compresses with gzip or lzma. Once you've  
created a squashfs you can then mount the image via the loopback  
driver to access it as a live file system.


Assuming you have the squashfs tools installed it's as simple as:
	mksquashfs /your/source/dir /output/image.sqsh

And to mount it:
	mount /output/image.sqsh /mnt/whatever -t squashfs -o loop

It's not quite the same as the Apple disk images in that the file  
system is indistinct from the fake block device, but it should be  
sufficient for making backups and whatnot, and it's certainly easier  
to use than tar if you want to pull out just a couple of files.

--

You've actually got me wondering if I could adapt my backup process to  
use fs images instead of tarballs. It seems that mksquashfs does  
support an excludes file, which is about the only other feature I  
need. While I'd lose the ability to restore directly from linear media  
it would make backups browsable, which is probably a more useful  
feature.

	Zach

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From icepuck2k at gmail.com  Sun Jun 21 18:00:21 2009
From: icepuck2k at gmail.com (Dan Hockey)
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 18:00:21 -0500
Subject: [Cialug]  Wood computer case
In-Reply-To: <dd7be6790906200603m7c35f9d9l6b47efac71e2246e@mail.gmail.com>
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Anyone seen this one yet?

http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadget/modder-uses-hollowed-out-log-
to-build-computer

-dh

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From atporter at gmail.com  Sun Jun 21 18:25:50 2009
From: atporter at gmail.com (Aaron Porter)
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 16:25:50 -0700
Subject: [Cialug] Wood computer case
In-Reply-To: <DEF6FC72E09F4975856218973F5B1F7E@toshibauser>
References: <dd7be6790906181708w4bd7a745mdb3b0e2e70817079@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Dan Hockey<icepuck2k at gmail.com> wrote:

> Anyone seen this one yet?
>
> http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadget/modder-uses-hollowed-out-log-to-build-computer

I prefer this one:

http://www.behance.net/Gallery/Ply-Laptop-Case/135339

From tdwalton at gmail.com  Sun Jun 21 19:59:53 2009
From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton)
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 19:59:53 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Wood computer case
In-Reply-To: <DEF6FC72E09F4975856218973F5B1F7E@toshibauser>
References: <dd7be6790906181708w4bd7a745mdb3b0e2e70817079@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Dan Hockey<icepuck2k at gmail.com> wrote:
> Anyone seen this one yet?
>
> http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadget/modder-uses-hollowed-out-log-to-build-computer

It's not quite as craftsy, but I've always wanted to just mount each
part onto the wall behind my desk with cabling between.

--
Todd

From daniel.ramaley at drake.edu  Sun Jun 21 20:50:03 2009
From: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu (Daniel A. Ramaley)
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:50:03 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] [OT] Geek-friendly hardware
Message-ID: <200906212050.03091.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>

I'm moving and need to divest myself of some large items that are well 
suited to ownership by a fellow tech geek. There are 2 items, described 
separately below:

Barco Data 800 projector
------------------------
This projector is of the CRT variety. It has three 8-inch tubes (one 
each for red, green, blue) and can be either ceiling or floor mounted. 
(I have it ceiling mounted.) It has a good reputation among projector 
enthusiasts. It is in working condition and has several analog inputs 
(RCA, S-Video, RGBHV component, and some proprietary Barco connector). 
It should handle resolutions up to 1080i, though i've not personally 
driven it that hard before. I currently have it projecting on a 12 foot 
screen consisting of a wall that is painted white. It can project on 
various size screens from as little as 4 feet to as much as 16 (IIRC). 
Unfortunately, it weighs 140 pounds. I will of course assist in 
carrying it to a vehicle. It is small enough to (barely) fit in a car 
trunk, at least for a mid size or large car. I'm willing to include all 
necessary cables to hook it up, as well as the Barco 10-input switchbox 
and controller so you can have many devices connected to it. I'd like 
to get $200 for everything (i acquired the projector for a very modest 
price but have put several hundred dollars into it for the cables and 
some repairs to the unit). If you are interested but do not want to pay 
so much, please tell me and we can negotiate a better deal. I'm more 
interested in seeing it go to a good home than recovering my costs.

Electrostatic speaker units
---------------------------
There are 2 units. Each one consists of 2 actual speakers and is 
approximately 5 feet tall, 2.5 feet wide, and 2 *inches* thick. The 
stand that holds them upright makes the thickness about 2 feet or so, 
but the speakers themselves are only about 2 inches. These units were 
manufactured in the 1970s and originally retailed for about $5000. The 
lower panel on one of the speakers needs repair work (it is not as loud 
as it should be) and i'm not sure who can repair them locally. But even 
without the repair work, these speakers sound *amazing*. Note that i'm 
not an "audiophile", but to my ears these sound better than most modern 
speakers that use cone technology. I've heard that within the audio 
community these are still very highly regarded. I originally purchased 
them from a previous roommate for $140, but am willing to let them go 
for whatever i can get. Make an offer.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dan Ramaley                            Dial Center 118, Drake University
Network Programmer/Analyst             2407 Carpenter Ave
+1 515 271-4540                        Des Moines IA 50311 USA

From dave at dchamp.net  Mon Jun 22 10:48:12 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 10:48:12 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Wood computer case
In-Reply-To: <e1d8c6520906211759t40456d50k38094accc4bd90e6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dd7be6790906181708w4bd7a745mdb3b0e2e70817079@mail.gmail.com>	<D1D2026B-C76F-4CAB-A8F8-777C26365A78@tcpconsulting.com>	<EE80C844-C577-4AE6-9204-74F361BEDB1B@kotlarek.com>	<dd7be6790906191150u1efeeda5r6164229b5b172c61@mail.gmail.com>	<C2C3EAF2-9E82-4A1C-BFE0-FFCE1B55F98F@kotlarek.com>	<dd7be6790906200603m7c35f9d9l6b47efac71e2246e@mail.gmail.com>	<DEF6FC72E09F4975856218973F5B1F7E@toshibauser>
	<e1d8c6520906211759t40456d50k38094accc4bd90e6@mail.gmail.com>
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Todd Walton wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Dan Hockey<icepuck2k at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> Anyone seen this one yet?
>>
>> http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadget/modder-uses-hollowed-out-log-to-build-computer
>>     
>
> It's not quite as craftsy, but I've always wanted to just mount each
> part onto the wall behind my desk with cabling between.
>
> --
> Todd
>   
I like the little laptop sleeve thing.

The "log mod" wouldn't exactly be the most LAN party friendly case to 
have. And if you had an electric fire, that thing could burn for a 
couple of hours. :)

Dell is selling their little Studio pc with an optional Bamboo sleeve, 
for an extra $150.

http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/desktop-studio-hybrid?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&~ck=mn

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Bundles_and_Other_Accessories/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&cs=19&sku=330-1265

I might consider getting one of them, if there were another video option 
besides the integrated Intel chip... and it is a bit pricey, starting at 
$500 for what is essentially a laptop, with no screen, battery or keyboard.

-dc


From timchampion at gmail.com  Mon Jun 22 11:12:07 2009
From: timchampion at gmail.com (Tim Champion)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:12:07 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Wood computer case
In-Reply-To: <4A3FA7BC.5050801@dchamp.net>
References: <dd7be6790906181708w4bd7a745mdb3b0e2e70817079@mail.gmail.com>
	<D1D2026B-C76F-4CAB-A8F8-777C26365A78@tcpconsulting.com>
	<EE80C844-C577-4AE6-9204-74F361BEDB1B@kotlarek.com>
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On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:48 AM, David Champion <dave at dchamp.net> wrote:

> Todd Walton wrote:
> > On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Dan Hockey<icepuck2k at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Anyone seen this one yet?
> >>
> >>
> http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadget/modder-uses-hollowed-out-log-to-build-computer
> >>
> >
> > It's not quite as craftsy, but I've always wanted to just mount each
> > part onto the wall behind my desk with cabling between.
> >
> > --
> > Todd
> >
> I like the little laptop sleeve thing.
>
> The "log mod" wouldn't exactly be the most LAN party friendly case to
> have. And if you had an electric fire, that thing could burn for a
> couple of hours. :)
>
> Dell is selling their little Studio pc with an optional Bamboo sleeve,
> for an extra $150.
>
>
> http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/desktop-studio-hybrid?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&~ck=mn<http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/desktop-studio-hybrid?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&%7Eck=mn>
>
>
> http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Bundles_and_Other_Accessories/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&cs=19&sku=330-1265
>
> I might consider getting one of them, if there were another video option
> besides the integrated Intel chip... and it is a bit pricey, starting at
> $500 for what is essentially a laptop, with no screen, battery or keyboard.
>
> -dc
>

With all due respect, That was totally not what I was expecting to see when
I clicked on those links.  When I think of wood computer cases, my mind goes
to something like this:
http://www.casearts.com/woodhydraulic.html

Tim Champion
timchampion at gmail.com
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From dave at 58ghz.net  Mon Jun 22 11:23:24 2009
From: dave at 58ghz.net (Dave J. Hala Jr.)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:23:24 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Wood computer case
In-Reply-To: <7aa1cdb20906220912p68bde25dj4535e169cef94ae7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dd7be6790906181708w4bd7a745mdb3b0e2e70817079@mail.gmail.com>
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	<7aa1cdb20906220912p68bde25dj4535e169cef94ae7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1245687804.2711.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>

With all the folks on here that have cnc routers or were building them,
I wouldn't be surprised if someone had a really cool wood case like
that...


:) Dave

On Mon, 2009-06-22 at 11:12 -0500, Tim Champion wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:48 AM, David Champion <dave at dchamp.net>
> wrote:
>         Todd Walton wrote:
>         > On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Dan
>         Hockey<icepuck2k at gmail.com> wrote:
>         >
>         >> Anyone seen this one yet?
>         >>
>         >>
>         http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadget/modder-uses-hollowed-out-log-to-build-computer
>         >>
>         >
>         > It's not quite as craftsy, but I've always wanted to just
>         mount each
>         > part onto the wall behind my desk with cabling between.
>         >
>         > --
>         > Todd
>         >
>         
>         I like the little laptop sleeve thing.
>         
>         The "log mod" wouldn't exactly be the most LAN party friendly
>         case to
>         have. And if you had an electric fire, that thing could burn
>         for a
>         couple of hours. :)
>         
>         Dell is selling their little Studio pc with an optional Bamboo
>         sleeve,
>         for an extra $150.
>         
>         http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/desktop-studio-hybrid?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&~ck=mn
>         
>         http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Bundles_and_Other_Accessories/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&cs=19&sku=330-1265
>         
>         I might consider getting one of them, if there were another
>         video option
>         besides the integrated Intel chip... and it is a bit pricey,
>         starting at
>         $500 for what is essentially a laptop, with no screen, battery
>         or keyboard.
>         
>         -dc
> 
> With all due respect, That was totally not what I was expecting to see
> when I clicked on those links.  When I think of wood computer cases,
> my mind goes to something like this:
> http://www.casearts.com/woodhydraulic.html
> 
> Tim Champion
> timchampion at gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
-- 
___
Dave J. Hala Jr.
President OSIS, Inc.
www.osis.us


From mrdovey at iedu.com  Mon Jun 22 11:49:17 2009
From: mrdovey at iedu.com (Morris Dovey)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:49:17 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Wood computer case
In-Reply-To: <1245687804.2711.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <dd7be6790906181708w4bd7a745mdb3b0e2e70817079@mail.gmail.com>	<D1D2026B-C76F-4CAB-A8F8-777C26365A78@tcpconsulting.com>	<EE80C844-C577-4AE6-9204-74F361BEDB1B@kotlarek.com>	<dd7be6790906191150u1efeeda5r6164229b5b172c61@mail.gmail.com>	<C2C3EAF2-9E82-
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	F7E@toshibauser>	<e1d8c6520906211759t40456d50k38094accc4bd90e6@mail.gmail.com>	<4A3FA7BC.5050801@dchamp.net>	<7aa1cdb20906220912p68bde25dj4535e169cef94ae7@mail.gmail.com>
	<1245687804.2711.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <4A3FB60D.2000302@iedu.com>

Dave J. Hala Jr. wrote:

> With all the folks on here that have cnc routers or were building them,
> I wouldn't be surprised if someone had a really cool wood case like
> that...

Hmmm - I'm not sure if I should respond to that or not...

...but if anyone here in the DSM area has a design they're itching to 
build (and the wood to build it with) I can probably make some router 
time available.

-- 
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

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From davidbody at bigcreek.com  Mon Jun 22 11:57:04 2009
From: davidbody at bigcreek.com (David W. Body)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:57:04 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Linux equivalent to OS X hdiutil
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On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Zachary Kotlarek <zach at kotlarek.com>wrote:

>
> I'd suggest squashfs -- a read-only file system that automatically does
> de-duplication and compresses with gzip or lzma.


Zach,

Thanks very much. This looks like exactly what I'm looking for. I'll
investigate further.

--David
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From newz at bearfruit.org  Mon Jun 22 14:08:14 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:08:14 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Intel video, was Re: Wood computer case
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080906221208r1146b3a4t8b30dcf1481eb52@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:48 AM, David Champion <dave at dchamp.net> wrote:

>
> I might consider getting one of them, if there were another video option
> besides the integrated Intel chip... and it is a bit pricey, starting at
> $500 for what is essentially a laptop, with no screen, battery or keyboard.
>
>
I hear that the newer (post i965 series) intel video cards are tremendously
better. I'm sure it all depends on what you're wanting to do with them of
course.

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
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From dave at dchamp.net  Tue Jun 23 13:29:12 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:29:12 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Linux powered Cicso media / router
Message-ID: <4A411EF8.8020501@dchamp.net>

Saw this on Engadget... looks like a fun little device:

http://www.linksysbycisco.com/US/en/products/WRT160NL

-dc


From adk at 52761.com  Tue Jun 23 15:46:44 2009
From: adk at 52761.com (Allen Kiddoo)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:46:44 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] for the DIY
Message-ID: <678823f00906231346x548bf648u6e76f5e160ae8c4a@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.allpinouts.org

Very handy reference site.

Allen Kiddoo
Ioway Record Printing Co.
316 West Third St.
Muscatine, IA 52761
563.263.7822 office
563.554.7166 mobile
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From david at bierce.org  Tue Jun 23 16:20:13 2009
From: david at bierce.org (David Bierce)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:20:13 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Datacenter Cleanup
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On Jun 18, 2009, at 11:09 AM, jrnosee at gmail.com wrote:

> Possibly a rack.

> Are these freestanding?
Yes, some have sides, some do not.

> Wheels?
When the mounting pegs are up

> and of course cost?
The Dell RMLs 175 if you come pick it up.
We have a 42U 19" threaded screw rack which would be 100.

> Would anyone happen to have some generic rails for a 4U server (if  
> there are generic ones)?
I think it's been said but , it's called a shelf :)

Dave
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From jrnosee at gmail.com  Tue Jun 23 18:36:10 2009
From: jrnosee at gmail.com (jrnosee at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:36:10 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Transplant OS
Message-ID: <a202c1b0906231636k25c9c22fr9909aed1b4db1757@mail.gmail.com>

Ok, my server's primary drive is in SMART Pre-Fail. It's used too many of
the spare sectors.  Now I need to transplant my OS to a new drive.  Any
suggestions for a best way to do this?  I know UUID's in fstab and settings
in GRUB will need to be updated somehow.  Anything automated, or a good
guide?

Thanks.
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From cwfreeman at gmail.com  Wed Jun 24 06:56:54 2009
From: cwfreeman at gmail.com (Chris Freeman)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 06:56:54 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Transplant OS
In-Reply-To: <a202c1b0906231636k25c9c22fr9909aed1b4db1757@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a202c1b0906231636k25c9c22fr9909aed1b4db1757@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3afd8deb0906240456q48b17c04wc00ce7b2e21f1de4@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 6:36 PM, <jrnosee at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok, my server's primary drive is in SMART Pre-Fail. It's used too many of
> the spare sectors.  Now I need to transplant my OS to a new drive.  Any
> suggestions for a best way to do this?  I know UUID's in fstab and settings
> in GRUB will need to be updated somehow.  Anything automated, or a good
> guide?
>
> Thanks.

I believe you can set the UUID of the partitions on the new drive. "It
is an power so great, it can only be used for Good or Evil".

I don't believe there are any open-source tools which can create a
back-up and restore to bare metal. There's always tools like Acronis,
but they cost.

Chris

From gray at cs.uni.edu  Wed Jun 24 07:39:24 2009
From: gray at cs.uni.edu (Paul Gray)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 07:39:24 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Transplant OS
In-Reply-To: <a202c1b0906231636k25c9c22fr9909aed1b4db1757@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a202c1b0906231636k25c9c22fr9909aed1b4db1757@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A421E7C.8000308@cs.uni.edu>

jrnosee at gmail.com wrote:
> Ok, my server's primary drive is in SMART Pre-Fail. It's used too many of
> the spare sectors.  Now I need to transplant my OS to a new drive.  Any
> suggestions for a best way to do this?  I know UUID's in fstab and settings
> in GRUB will need to be updated somehow.  Anything automated, or a good
> guide?

There are many ways to do what you want from a bootable distro.  Here's 
what I'd do.

Install the new drive -- if it's an IDE, configure it to be primary (it 
makes the grub transition a bit easier).

Boot to a USB/CDROM distro (finnix, for example).

fdisk the new disk.  mkfs the filesystems.

mount all the old and new filesystems

rsync -plarv /mnt/old/ /mnt/new/

edit /mnt/new/boot/grub/menu.*
edit /mnt/new/boot/etc/fstab
install grub to the new disk
-> under finnix ... just run grub and issue, "root (hd0,0)" (or whatever 
is appropriate), "setup (hd0)"

Not too difficult of a process...and it should boot the new disk just fine.

Good luck.

-PG

From chris at ia.gov  Wed Jun 24 07:50:15 2009
From: chris at ia.gov (chris)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 07:50:15 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Transplant OS
In-Reply-To: <3afd8deb0906240456q48b17c04wc00ce7b2e21f1de4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a202c1b0906231636k25c9c22fr9909aed1b4db1757@mail.gmail.com>
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> I believe you can set the UUID of the partitions on the new drive. "It
> is an power so great, it can only be used for Good or Evil".
>
> I don't believe there are any open-source tools which can create a
> back-up and restore to bare metal. There's always tools like Acronis,
> but they cost.
>

dd (or even cat) can  along with your favorite boot cd (I use knoppix)
can do bare metal restores.  Either from a backup image on attached
media or over the network.

If local attached media,  or nfs, some net file system,

dd if =/path/to/wholediskimage  of =/dev/newlocaldisk

Over ssh/rsh:

ssh remotehostwithimage 'dd if=/path/to/whilediskimage bs=1400' >
/dev/newlocaldisk

This is much faster with rsh since no encryption is done.

As long as the second device is bigger, you will usually be ok.  You
can use something like parted to reclaim any unused disk if the
destination was larger.

I once set up an imaging server that simple streamed a whole disk
image to any device that connected to a port on it.  This was done
using xinetd and dd.  I chose dd over cat because I could set the
block size to 1400 and get a more full packet.  More efficient,
faster, less IP overhead.

That reminds me, you can read a compressed image as well, works great
because you are moving compressed data over the wire:

ssh remotehostwithimage 'dd if=./diskimage.gz bs=1400'  |  gzip -d - >
/dev/newlocaldisk


All my examples are whole disk, but you can do the same per partition.

To create the back up images reverse the process.

crr/arreyder

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From jrnosee at gmail.com  Wed Jun 24 08:22:04 2009
From: jrnosee at gmail.com (jrnosee at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 08:22:04 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Transplant OS
In-Reply-To: <4A422107.8000609@ia.gov>
References: <a202c1b0906231636k25c9c22fr9909aed1b4db1757@mail.gmail.com>
	<3afd8deb0906240456q48b17c04wc00ce7b2e21f1de4@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A422107.8000609@ia.gov>
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Thanks for the quick responses!

I think I may try in order until one works....  I wasn't sure if Acronis
would handle Linux partitions, but I just got it free with the new drive I
bought from Newegg (combo deal)!  It'll be a local copy from a SATA II to a
SATA II drive and the new drive is bigger.  What I would like to know is how
to determine what hd(x,y) to use in grub. when I set it back up.  Typically,
yes I would use (0,0) but with SATA I'm not sure what # drive I'll be on.
Does this follow cabling order? 2x ide ports are 0-3, sata1-4 are 4-7?
Would my primary ide cd-rom be hd(0)?  I'm not sure what GRUB's numbering
scheme is.

--Justin

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 7:50 AM, chris <chris at ia.gov> wrote:

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> > I believe you can set the UUID of the partitions on the new drive. "It
> > is an power so great, it can only be used for Good or Evil".
> >
> > I don't believe there are any open-source tools which can create a
> > back-up and restore to bare metal. There's always tools like Acronis,
> > but they cost.
> >
>
> dd (or even cat) can  along with your favorite boot cd (I use knoppix)
> can do bare metal restores.  Either from a backup image on attached
> media or over the network.
>
> If local attached media,  or nfs, some net file system,
>
> dd if =/path/to/wholediskimage  of =/dev/newlocaldisk
>
> Over ssh/rsh:
>
> ssh remotehostwithimage 'dd if=/path/to/whilediskimage bs=1400' >
> /dev/newlocaldisk
>
> This is much faster with rsh since no encryption is done.
>
> As long as the second device is bigger, you will usually be ok.  You
> can use something like parted to reclaim any unused disk if the
> destination was larger.
>
> I once set up an imaging server that simple streamed a whole disk
> image to any device that connected to a port on it.  This was done
> using xinetd and dd.  I chose dd over cat because I could set the
> block size to 1400 and get a more full packet.  More efficient,
> faster, less IP overhead.
>
> That reminds me, you can read a compressed image as well, works great
> because you are moving compressed data over the wire:
>
> ssh remotehostwithimage 'dd if=./diskimage.gz bs=1400'  |  gzip -d - >
> /dev/newlocaldisk
>
>
> All my examples are whole disk, but you can do the same per partition.
>
> To create the back up images reverse the process.
>
> crr/arreyder
>
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From cialug at perdue.net  Wed Jun 24 08:31:40 2009
From: cialug at perdue.net (Tim Perdue)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 08:31:40 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: PHP / Oracle consultant
Message-ID: <4A422ABC.7050201@perdue.net>

I'm trying to find someone, not necessarily local, who has a real 
expertise in oracle and PHP to help us port a very large and complex app 
to run on an oracle database.  Please email me if you know of anyone who 
can do some consulting in this area. tim at gforgegroup.com

From dave at dchamp.net  Wed Jun 24 09:19:03 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 09:19:03 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Transplant OS
In-Reply-To: <4A422107.8000609@ia.gov>
References: <a202c1b0906231636k25c9c22fr9909aed1b4db1757@mail.gmail.com>	<3afd8deb0906240456q48b17c04wc00ce7b2e21f1de4@mail.gmail.com>
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chris wrote:
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>   
>> I believe you can set the UUID of the partitions on the new drive. "It
>> is an power so great, it can only be used for Good or Evil".
>>
>> I don't believe there are any open-source tools which can create a
>> back-up and restore to bare metal. There's always tools like Acronis,
>> but they cost.
>>
>>     
>
> dd (or even cat) can  along with your favorite boot cd (I use knoppix)
> can do bare metal restores.  Either from a backup image on attached
> media or over the network.
>
> If local attached media,  or nfs, some net file system,
>
> dd if =/path/to/wholediskimage  of =/dev/newlocaldisk
>
> Over ssh/rsh:
>
> ssh remotehostwithimage 'dd if=/path/to/whilediskimage bs=1400' >
> /dev/newlocaldisk
>
> This is much faster with rsh since no encryption is done.
>
> As long as the second device is bigger, you will usually be ok.  You
> can use something like parted to reclaim any unused disk if the
> destination was larger.
>
> I once set up an imaging server that simple streamed a whole disk
> image to any device that connected to a port on it.  This was done
> using xinetd and dd.  I chose dd over cat because I could set the
> block size to 1400 and get a more full packet.  More efficient,
> faster, less IP overhead.
>
> That reminds me, you can read a compressed image as well, works great
> because you are moving compressed data over the wire:
>
> ssh remotehostwithimage 'dd if=./diskimage.gz bs=1400'  |  gzip -d - >
> /dev/newlocaldisk
>
>
> All my examples are whole disk, but you can do the same per partition.
>
> To create the back up images reverse the process.
>
> crr/arreyder
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The problem with using dd... as has been pointed out in the past here... 
is if you have corrupted sectors, dd may copy the corruption.

-dc


From daniel.ramaley at drake.edu  Wed Jun 24 09:31:43 2009
From: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu (Daniel A. Ramaley)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 09:31:43 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Transplant OS
In-Reply-To: <4A421E7C.8000308@cs.uni.edu>
References: <a202c1b0906231636k25c9c22fr9909aed1b4db1757@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A421E7C.8000308@cs.uni.edu>
Message-ID: <200906240931.43843.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>

On 2009-06-24 at 07:39:24, Paul Gray wrote:
>>Ok, my server's primary drive is in SMART Pre-Fail. It's used too
>>many of the spare sectors.  Now I need to transplant my OS to a new
>>drive.
>
>There are many ways to do what you want from a bootable distro.

There's something related that i've wondered since learning to use LVM 
in the not-too-distant past. Assuming the original disk was partitioned 
using LVM, would it be possible to live migrate to the new one with 
very little downtime (just the time required for 1 or 2 reboots)?

I presume the /boot partition would have to be copied by more 
traditional means (cp, tar, rsync) as it is usually not part of LVM, 
and grub or lilo would also have to be run on the new disk. But for the 
LVM partitions, would it be possible to extend the physical volume over 
to the new disk, then tell LVM to move the data over? For a home 
machine attempting this might be overkill, but for a critical server 
that shouldn't have any downtime, it might be worth doing. Well, if the 
server is truly "critical" then it probably has RAID and the failure of 
one drive would simply require replacing that drive... so perhaps this 
idea isn't practical after all.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dan Ramaley                            Dial Center 118, Drake University
Network Programmer/Analyst             2407 Carpenter Ave
+1 515 271-4540                        Des Moines IA 50311 USA

From chris at ia.gov  Wed Jun 24 10:57:17 2009
From: chris at ia.gov (chris)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:57:17 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] dd for clones/baclups (was Re:  Transplant OS)
In-Reply-To: <4A4235D7.6040005@dchamp.net>
References: <a202c1b0906231636k25c9c22fr9909aed1b4db1757@mail.gmail.com>	<3afd8deb0906240456q48b17c04wc00ce7b2e21f1de4@mail.gmail.com>	<4A422107.8000609@ia.gov>
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> The problem with using dd... as has been pointed out in the past
> here... is if you have corrupted sectors, dd may copy the
> corruption.

> -dc


Interesting.  I could see this being a problem when trying to copy a
failing hard drive but not for a migration/cloning exercise.

If a sector is truly corrupt then dd will not be able to read it.  dd
can be told to pad those bad reads with 00 and go on.  If that sector
had been marked bad by the filesystem/OS  already then this is not an
issue because the tables that record the bad sectors will be included
in the image you create.

I have used this method in mass cloning of literally thousands of disk
images over the years and never had a single issue, ever.  MD5 sums
can be used to verify that your image matches your original.  DD has
been my tried and true backup/migration tool for a very long time.

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From doncady at gmail.com  Wed Jun 24 13:33:47 2009
From: doncady at gmail.com (Don Cady)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:33:47 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Transplant OS
In-Reply-To: <200906240931.43843.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
References: <a202c1b0906231636k25c9c22fr9909aed1b4db1757@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A421E7C.8000308@cs.uni.edu>
	<200906240931.43843.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
Message-ID: <bfffc7a70906241133k303487b9re392b5f97c884145@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Daniel A.
Ramaley<daniel.ramaley at drake.edu> wrote:
> and grub or lilo would also have to be run on the new disk. But for the
> LVM partitions, would it be possible to extend the physical volume over
> to the new disk, then tell LVM to move the data over? For a home
Yes, you can add a new drive to your physical group, extend your
logical group into it, move your logical volume over, then reduce the
first two, making the whole move like a ball bearing in a rubber band.
But doing this assumes your volume is already in LVM and you have
hot-swap available.

> machine attempting this might be overkill, but for a critical server
> that shouldn't have any downtime, it might be worth doing. Well, if the
> server is truly "critical" then it probably has RAID and the failure of
> one drive would simply require replacing that drive... so perhaps this
> idea isn't practical after all.
Exactly. Maybe I'm shortsighted, but determining if it's practical is
half of the crux of LVM. It provides no redundancy (in fact, it gets
-1 in that department), so you've got to put it on top of raid or
something else. Now to add logical volumes, you're adding raid sets,
adding more complexity for a little flexibility. There are better
options than managing volumes-inside-LVM-on-top-of-RAID. I don't
understand what all the hubub @ LVM is for, as I can only see small
windows of usefulness. Maybe it's that it's FSF appoved.

Don

From zach at kotlarek.com  Wed Jun 24 17:01:11 2009
From: zach at kotlarek.com (Zachary Kotlarek)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:01:11 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Transplant OS
In-Reply-To: <bfffc7a70906241133k303487b9re392b5f97c884145@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a202c1b0906231636k25c9c22fr9909aed1b4db1757@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A421E7C.8000308@cs.uni.edu>
	<200906240931.43843.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
	<bfffc7a70906241133k303487b9re392b5f97c884145@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F4B82750-241A-4BD6-B748-38C1D844FC54@kotlarek.com>


On Jun 24, 2009, at 1:33 PM, Don Cady wrote:

> There are better options than managing volumes-inside-LVM-on-top-of- 
> RAID.

What do you suggest to provide block-device/volume resizing and  
relocation functionality?

	Zach

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From jrnosee at gmail.com  Wed Jun 24 17:57:10 2009
From: jrnosee at gmail.com (jrnosee at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:57:10 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Transplant OS
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Well...for ease of remote work I went with a live ubuntu cd and did
everything in gparted.  It seems slow in copying the partition...I'll see
how the whole process works out for me.


On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Zachary Kotlarek <zach at kotlarek.com> wrote:

>
> On Jun 24, 2009, at 1:33 PM, Don Cady wrote:
>
>  There are better options than managing volumes-inside-LVM-on-top-of-RAID.
>>
>
> What do you suggest to provide block-device/volume resizing and relocation
> functionality?
>
>        Zach
>
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From tdwalton at gmail.com  Wed Jun 24 21:59:05 2009
From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:59:05 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Hard Drive Problems?
Message-ID: <e1d8c6520906241959l1f64707ax5a0cc539bce0c3e8@mail.gmail.com>

root keeps getting mail that says:

--------------------- Kernel Begin ------------------------

 WARNING:  Kernel Errors Present
            res 51/84:00:8a:12:8a/00:00:00:00:00/e7 Emask 0x10 (ATA
bus error) ...:  6 Time(s)
    Buffer I/O error on device sda1,  ...:  10 Time(s)
    JBD: Detected IO errors while flushing  ...:  2 Time(s)
    ata5.00: error: { ICRC ABRT } ...:  6 Time(s)
    end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector ...:  1 Time(s)
    lost page write due to I/O error on sda1 ...:  10 Time(s)
    sd 4:0:0:0: [sda] Add. Sense: Scsi parity error ...:  1 Time(s)

 ---------------------- Kernel End -------------------------

Should I worry?  It's a slightly old IDE drive.  Or is this something
that happens all the time?  I'm new to Fedora, and I haven't been
privy to these helpful root mailings before.  So I don't know if this
has been happening for years now and I just didn't know about.

Would you worry?

--
Todd

From morej at alliancetechnologies.net  Thu Jun 25 09:21:56 2009
From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:21:56 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Hard Drive Problems?
Message-ID: <4A4341B40200002E0003552A@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>

It looks to me like you have an error on /dev/sda (or the SCSI card).

You should backup your data ASAP and run the smart tests: 
http://www.captain.at/howto-linux-smartmontools-smartctl.php

You should also be prepared to buy another disk or two.



-Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC 
 morej at alliancetechnologies.net 
 515-245-7701

>>> Todd Walton  06/24/09 9:59 PM >>>
root keeps getting mail that says:

--------------------- Kernel Begin ------------------------

 WARNING:  Kernel Errors Present
            res 51/84:00:8a:12:8a/00:00:00:00:00/e7 Emask 0x10 (ATA
bus error) ...:  6 Time(s)
    Buffer I/O error on device sda1,  ...:  10 Time(s)
    JBD: Detected IO errors while flushing  ...:  2 Time(s)
    ata5.00: error: { ICRC ABRT } ...:  6 Time(s)
    end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector ...:  1 Time(s)
    lost page write due to I/O error on sda1 ...:  10 Time(s)
    sd 4:0:0:0: [sda] Add. Sense: Scsi parity error ...:  1 Time(s)

 ---------------------- Kernel End -------------------------

Should I worry?  It's a slightly old IDE drive.  Or is this something
that happens all the time?  I'm new to Fedora, and I haven't been
privy to these helpful root mailings before.  So I don't know if this
has been happening for years now and I just didn't know about.

Would you worry?

--
Todd
_______________________________________________
Cialug mailing list
Cialug at cialug.org
http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug


From tdwalton at gmail.com  Thu Jun 25 12:34:28 2009
From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:34:28 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Funny Caption
Message-ID: <e1d8c6520906251034t392dc36ct34b62d220c0df98a@mail.gmail.com>

Write your own caption:

http://www.dmcityview.com/what-the.shtml

--
Todd

From jrnosee at gmail.com  Thu Jun 25 13:50:28 2009
From: jrnosee at gmail.com (jrnosee at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:50:28 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Transplant OS
In-Reply-To: <a202c1b0906241557t4c4aa415i360bc0c58c0da313@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a202c1b0906231636k25c9c22fr9909aed1b4db1757@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A421E7C.8000308@cs.uni.edu>
	<200906240931.43843.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
	<bfffc7a70906241133k303487b9re392b5f97c884145@mail.gmail.com>
	<F4B82750-241A-4BD6-B748-38C1D844FC54@kotlarek.com>
	<a202c1b0906241557t4c4aa415i360bc0c58c0da313@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a202c1b0906251150r2b405013y542829960fc41620@mail.gmail.com>

Ok, so far, so good I think.  My drive's partitions are copied.  Now here's
a bit that might screw with things...the copied partitions have the same
UUID's as the originals.  I know eventually I'm going to pull the old
(dying) drive, but I'd like to test it out before pulling it as it'll be a
pain.  I'm confused at what to do.  Won't having multiple partitions with
the same UUID screw with stuff?  Can I change the UUID of a partition?

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 5:57 PM, <jrnosee at gmail.com> wrote:

> Well...for ease of remote work I went with a live ubuntu cd and did
> everything in gparted.  It seems slow in copying the partition...I'll see
> how the whole process works out for me.
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Zachary Kotlarek <zach at kotlarek.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> On Jun 24, 2009, at 1:33 PM, Don Cady wrote:
>>
>>  There are better options than managing volumes-inside-LVM-on-top-of-RAID.
>>>
>>
>> What do you suggest to provide block-device/volume resizing and relocation
>> functionality?
>>
>>        Zach
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cialug mailing list
>> Cialug at cialug.org
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
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From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com  Thu Jun 25 15:45:56 2009
From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:45:56 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: New Macintosh Models
Message-ID: <D43921B1695991468329C1A7296519C05C56A595E8@exchange2k7.ipmvs.com>


The new Macs are supposed to have sealed batteries.  Does anyone know if they have a reset button for those instances where you need to unplug and remove the battery to force some kind of reset?

Recently some other sealed battery device had a firmware issue (was it the Zune) where you had to wait for the battery to run down to reset.   Is it the same on iPhone?

Just curious if anyone know how Apple is handling it.

-Nate

From dave at dchamp.net  Thu Jun 25 15:54:09 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:54:09 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] nathan.smith@ipmvs.com
In-Reply-To: <D43921B1695991468329C1A7296519C05C56A595E8@exchange2k7.ipmvs.com>
References: <D43921B1695991468329C1A7296519C05C56A595E8@exchange2k7.ipmvs.com>
Message-ID: <4A43E3F1.8070403@dchamp.net>

I think the solution is to buy a Dell (or HP or etc....)

:p

-dc

Nathan C. Smith wrote:
> The new Macs are supposed to have sealed batteries.  Does anyone know if they have a reset button for those instances where you need to unplug and remove the battery to force some kind of reset?
>
> Recently some other sealed battery device had a firmware issue (was it the Zune) where you had to wait for the battery to run down to reset.   Is it the same on iPhone?
>
> Just curious if anyone know how Apple is handling it.
>
> -Nate
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
>   


From tdwalton at gmail.com  Thu Jun 25 16:12:44 2009
From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:12:44 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] nathan.smith@ipmvs.com
In-Reply-To: <4A43E3F1.8070403@dchamp.net>
References: <D43921B1695991468329C1A7296519C05C56A595E8@exchange2k7.ipmvs.com>
	<4A43E3F1.8070403@dchamp.net>
Message-ID: <e1d8c6520906251412p7bf55849vb0993d1e41113953@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:54 PM, David Champion<dave at dchamp.net> wrote:
> I think the solution is to buy a Dell (or HP or etc....)

But not a Panasonic!  I heard those have unsafe batteries in them:

http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/09/06/24/1851238/Panasonic-Begins-To-Lock-Out-3d-Party-Camera-Batteries?art_pos=29

--
Todd

From dave at dchamp.net  Thu Jun 25 16:16:40 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:16:40 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] oops
In-Reply-To: <4A43E3F1.8070403@dchamp.net>
References: <D43921B1695991468329C1A7296519C05C56A595E8@exchange2k7.ipmvs.com>
	<4A43E3F1.8070403@dchamp.net>
Message-ID: <4A43E938.9080402@dchamp.net>

p.s. I had meant to change the to: not the subject. Double FAIL.

-dc

David Champion wrote:
> I think the solution is to buy a Dell (or HP or etc....)
>
> :p
>
> -dc
>
> Nathan C. Smith wrote:
>   
>> The new Macs are supposed to have sealed batteries.  Does anyone know if they have a reset button for those instances where you need to unplug and remove the battery to force some kind of reset?
>>
>> Recently some other sealed battery device had a firmware issue (was it the Zune) where you had to wait for the battery to run down to reset.   Is it the same on iPhone?
>>
>> Just curious if anyone know how Apple is handling it.
>>
>> -Nate
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cialug mailing list
>> Cialug at cialug.org
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>
>>   
>>     


From zach at kotlarek.com  Thu Jun 25 16:17:16 2009
From: zach at kotlarek.com (Zachary Kotlarek)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:17:16 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: New Macintosh Models
In-Reply-To: <D43921B1695991468329C1A7296519C05C56A595E8@exchange2k7.ipmvs.com>
References: <D43921B1695991468329C1A7296519C05C56A595E8@exchange2k7.ipmvs.com>
Message-ID: <89977358-BDDC-4495-881D-FC28C23F7402@kotlarek.com>


On Jun 25, 2009, at 3:45 PM, Nathan C. Smith wrote:

> The new Macs are supposed to have sealed batteries.  Does anyone  
> know if they have a reset button for those instances where you need  
> to unplug and remove the battery to force some kind of reset?



The main power button has a hardware watchdog -- if you hold it down  
long enough the machine will power off, no matter what state the  
software/CPU is in. It's not as fail-safe as pulling the battery, but  
it's only marginally more complicated than a dedicated-function reset  
button, and therefore similarly reliable; it will work as long as the  
PMU hardware and button itself are functional.

The iPhone has a similar reset mechanism to the iPod, where you hold  
down a unique key combination for a while to reset, again without  
relying on the OS or CPU.

--

That being said, you can get the battery out by removing a handful of  
phillips screws for the case bottom and a pair of tri-wings for the  
battery itself, without so much as even unplugging other connectors.  
Not something I'd want to have have to do on the road by any means,  
but other than needing a tri-wing driver it's not exactly  
computational chemistry either.

	Zach

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From newz at bearfruit.org  Thu Jun 25 16:17:59 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:17:59 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: New Macintosh Models
In-Reply-To: <D43921B1695991468329C1A7296519C05C56A595E8@exchange2k7.ipmvs.com>
References: <D43921B1695991468329C1A7296519C05C56A595E8@exchange2k7.ipmvs.com>
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080906251417ob872aecn81ffd92f7ed6a038@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Nathan C. Smith<nathan.smith at ipmvs.com> wrote:
>
> The new Macs are supposed to have sealed batteries. ?Does anyone know if they have a reset button for those instances where you need to unplug and remove the battery to force some kind of reset?
>
> Recently some other sealed battery device had a firmware issue (was it the Zune) where you had to wait for the battery to run down to reset. ? Is it the same on iPhone?
>
> Just curious if anyone know how Apple is handling it.
>

I have the new 13" mbp and had it all apart the other day. The battery
is not hard to remove. Assuming of course you don't consider removing
about 9 screws from the bottom of your computer hard.

There is a button on the side but pushing it just makes a row of
teensy LEDs light up, maybe it's a wifinder. Holding in the power
button for about 5 seconds forces the computer off, just like a PC.

And in case your wondering, yes, it runs Ubuntu very nicely. 3d
effects are very quick. No sound but otherwise things seem to be OK.

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter

From doncady at gmail.com  Thu Jun 25 17:54:25 2009
From: doncady at gmail.com (Don Cady)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:54:25 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Transplant OS
In-Reply-To: <F4B82750-241A-4BD6-B748-38C1D844FC54@kotlarek.com>
References: <a202c1b0906231636k25c9c22fr9909aed1b4db1757@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A421E7C.8000308@cs.uni.edu>
	<200906240931.43843.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
	<bfffc7a70906241133k303487b9re392b5f97c884145@mail.gmail.com>
	<F4B82750-241A-4BD6-B748-38C1D844FC54@kotlarek.com>
Message-ID: <bfffc7a70906251554k3a88e7ek8f67fb7b3b30c615@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Zachary Kotlarek<zach at kotlarek.com> wrote:
>
> On Jun 24, 2009, at 1:33 PM, Don Cady wrote:
>
>> There are better options than managing volumes-inside-LVM-on-top-of-RAID.
>
> What do you suggest to provide block-device/volume resizing and relocation
> functionality?
>
> ? ? ? ?Zach

My quick answer is ZFS. EMC, NetApp, etc also have products, but
virtualization products do too. Virtualization was the macro view I
was mostly thinking of yesterday. I didn't mean anything against
Daniel or Justin.

Don

From zach at kotlarek.com  Thu Jun 25 18:48:35 2009
From: zach at kotlarek.com (Zachary Kotlarek)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:48:35 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Transplant OS
In-Reply-To: <bfffc7a70906251554k3a88e7ek8f67fb7b3b30c615@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a202c1b0906231636k25c9c22fr9909aed1b4db1757@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A421E7C.8000308@cs.uni.edu>
	<200906240931.43843.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
	<bfffc7a70906241133k303487b9re392b5f97c884145@mail.gmail.com>
	<F4B82750-241A-4BD6-B748-38C1D844FC54@kotlarek.com>
	<bfffc7a70906251554k3a88e7ek8f67fb7b3b30c615@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6F619DCE-93D2-4238-B8A3-9E96D9A941E9@kotlarek.com>


On Jun 25, 2009, at 5:54 PM, Don Cady wrote:

> My quick answer is ZFS.


I know ZFS is the /. answer for all recent disk and file-system  
related questions, but even after looking in to it I'm still not clear  
what it buys me over RAID + LVM2 + JFS. RAID-Z/RAID-Z2 isn't a bad  
plan, but at least personally I'm either running RAID-1 (where RAID-Z  
offers little benefit and additional restrictions) or against some  
hardware device that provides RAID transparently.

Plus I'm not sold on the conflation of file system and disk array that  
ZFS requires; while it has benefits it is necessarily more fragile  
because of the interdependence. Plus there's currently no way to grow  
a group in ZFS, so you have to add at least 2 disks at at time (or 3  
if you want to actually take advantage of RAID-Z) which can make live  
migrations more complicated.

I'd honestly be interested to know what all the hubbub is about. Am I  
just missing something? Is in-line checksumming something I'm really  
supposed to care about even on hardware that doesn't have a  
significant bit-flip rate? Is it just that I don't run any RAID-5  
arrays and therefore don't care about parity generation and write holes?


> EMC, NetApp, etc also have products


Which are great, and if I could afford them I wouldn't bother with LVM  
or ZFS. But such devices don't fit into most small-business IT  
budgets, and certainly aren't going to be connected my personal  
servers anytime soon.

	Zach

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From gray at cs.uni.edu  Thu Jun 25 20:15:58 2009
From: gray at cs.uni.edu (Paul Gray)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:15:58 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: E-mail patterns and predictions of doom
Message-ID: <4A44214E.7080006@cs.uni.edu>

This circulated through our department today:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20227135.900-email-patterns-can-predict-impending-doom.html

I couldn't help but wonder about similar patterns that might be "observed" by
those on this list that administrate for the State of Iowa.

No doubt the state government of South Carolina saw some interesting e-mail
patterns this week.

-- 
Paul Gray                                         -o)
314 ITT, Dept. of Computer Science                /\\
University of Northern Iowa                      _\_V
Message void if penguin violated ...  Don't mess with the penguin
No one says, "Hey, I can't read that ASCII attachment ya sent me."

From lathrop at prestonfam.org  Thu Jun 25 20:21:03 2009
From: lathrop at prestonfam.org (Lathrop Preston)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:21:03 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Cord assistance
Message-ID: <276cbfb0906251821j6ce72c83v8f4d25caac693c85@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all,

got a quick question.
does anyone who currently owns a TiVo or has in the past have the ir control
cord (like used to control cable/sat boxes) and are not using it.

We just switched from basic cable to DirectTV and I can only find one of the
cords. I know the other is somewhere in my junk piles (do any of us get rid
of cords) but the excavation is not going well.

Thanks
Laith

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From zach at kotlarek.com  Thu Jun 25 22:48:45 2009
From: zach at kotlarek.com (Zachary Kotlarek)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:48:45 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Cord assistance
In-Reply-To: <276cbfb0906251821j6ce72c83v8f4d25caac693c85@mail.gmail.com>
References: <276cbfb0906251821j6ce72c83v8f4d25caac693c85@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E2C7DEE6-FB0B-4B62-8737-EE56390F8A37@kotlarek.com>


On Jun 25, 2009, at 8:21 PM, Lathrop Preston wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> got a quick question.
> does anyone who currently owns a TiVo or has in the past have the ir  
> control cord (like used to control cable/sat boxes) and are not  
> using it.
>
> We just switched from basic cable to DirectTV and I can only find  
> one of the cords. I know the other is somewhere in my junk piles (do  
> any of us get rid of cords) but the excavation is not going well.


I'm not sure exactly what Tivo uses, but if you just need an IR LED  
attached to a 1/8" ts (i.e. mono headphone) plug I've got a few.

	Zach

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From lathrop at prestonfam.org  Fri Jun 26 06:25:06 2009
From: lathrop at prestonfam.org (Lathrop Preston)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 06:25:06 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Cord assistance
In-Reply-To: <E2C7DEE6-FB0B-4B62-8737-EE56390F8A37@kotlarek.com>
References: <276cbfb0906251821j6ce72c83v8f4d25caac693c85@mail.gmail.com> 
	<E2C7DEE6-FB0B-4B62-8737-EE56390F8A37@kotlarek.com>
Message-ID: <276cbfb0906260425i7f978e15g51c266135b56da3d@mail.gmail.com>

That sounds pretty much like what they use. the specific one in question has
2 IR LEDs so it might be stereo... not sure... I think that is so it can
potentially control more than one device if needed (ie Sat and an off-air
DTV converter if you don't have locals...)

It is worth a shot anyway.

I'm still open to the "real" thing if anyone has one.



On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Zachary Kotlarek <zach at kotlarek.com>wrote:

>
> On Jun 25, 2009, at 8:21 PM, Lathrop Preston wrote:
>
>  Hey all,
>>
>> got a quick question.
>> does anyone who currently owns a TiVo or has in the past have the ir
>> control cord (like used to control cable/sat boxes) and are not using it.
>>
>> We just switched from basic cable to DirectTV and I can only find one of
>> the cords. I know the other is somewhere in my junk piles (do any of us get
>> rid of cords) but the excavation is not going well.
>>
>
>
> I'm not sure exactly what Tivo uses, but if you just need an IR LED
> attached to a 1/8" ts (i.e. mono headphone) plug I've got a few.
>
>        Zach
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
>


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From tom at tcpconsulting.com  Fri Jun 26 09:50:39 2009
From: tom at tcpconsulting.com (Tom Pohl)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:50:39 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: E-mail patterns and predictions of doom
In-Reply-To: <4A44214E.7080006@cs.uni.edu>
References: <4A44214E.7080006@cs.uni.edu>
Message-ID: <8FF8FEA6-3081-4035-983B-FB292CD13E4E@tcpconsulting.com>

This idea can and are also extrapolated to other areas like network  
attacks.  When I was running wifi hotspots across about 20 different  
ISPs (some related and some not) attack trends were always interesting  
to study to kind of get an advance warning of something big coming.

The Internet Storm Center does this on a much larger scale:
http://isc.sans.org/

-Tom


On Jun 25, 2009, at 8:15 PM, Paul Gray wrote:

> This circulated through our department today:
>
> http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20227135.900-email-patterns-can-predict-impending-doom.html
>
> I couldn't help but wonder about similar patterns that might be  
> "observed" by
> those on this list that administrate for the State of Iowa.
>
> No doubt the state government of South Carolina saw some interesting  
> e-mail
> patterns this week.
>
> -- 
> Paul Gray                                         -o)
> 314 ITT, Dept. of Computer Science                /\\
> University of Northern Iowa                      _\_V
> Message void if penguin violated ...  Don't mess with the penguin
> No one says, "Hey, I can't read that ASCII attachment ya sent me."
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug


From ka_klick at mac.com  Fri Jun 26 12:48:47 2009
From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:48:47 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: New Macintosh Models
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4080906251417ob872aecn81ffd92f7ed6a038@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D43921B1695991468329C1A7296519C05C56A595E8@exchange2k7.ipmvs.com>
	<f3c0b4080906251417ob872aecn81ffd92f7ed6a038@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8D5F76A4-70E6-43AE-B10B-40F5B07D426B@mac.com>

That's the battery charge indicator - for a quick check on battery  
life w/o powering up. Mac laptops have had that for years now.

On Jun 25, 2009, at 4:17 PM, Matthew Nuzum wrote:
> just makes a row of teensy LEDs light up, maybe it's a wifinder.

--
Bryan "ka-klick" Baker
Singer/Songwriter
ka-klick at ka-klick.com
http://ka-klick.com
http://twitter.com/ka_klick <-- Twitter Feed




From rob at robfreiburger.com  Fri Jun 26 13:22:22 2009
From: rob at robfreiburger.com (Rob Freiburger)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:22:22 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: New Macintosh Models
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4080906251417ob872aecn81ffd92f7ed6a038@mail.gmail.com>
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How's the battery life?

With Best Regards,
Rob Freiburger

On Jun 25, 2009, at 4:17 PM, Matthew Nuzum wrote:

I have the new 13" mbp and had it all apart the other day.

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From newz at bearfruit.org  Fri Jun 26 14:03:06 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:03:06 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: New Macintosh Models
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On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Rob Freiburger<rob at robfreiburger.com> wrote:
> How's the battery life?
>
> With Best Regards,

Watching two lost episodes from abc.com (45-50m each) back to back
uses about half my charge, so we'll say about 4 hours watching video.
Using ssh and working on files gets me about 5 hours. I'll bet if I
went to airline mode I'd get 6.

I bought the entry level laptop and then bought a 500GB hard drive and
replaced the oem 160GB. Interestingly enough, the OEM is rated at
740ma while the 500GB drive only 440ma. So that means the higher
capacity drive could increase my battery life. I only did thsi two
nights ago so haven't had a chance to verify a difference.

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter

From rob at robfreiburger.com  Fri Jun 26 14:33:43 2009
From: rob at robfreiburger.com (Rob Freiburger)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:33:43 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: New Macintosh Models
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4080906261203t207b9cb5ydaa27ef7f67d2d28@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D43921B1695991468329C1A7296519C05C56A595E8@exchange2k7.ipmvs.com>
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Message-ID: <7A3ABE81-C4CE-4974-B111-9C3E3AB0A51F@robfreiburger.com>

Did you calibrate the battery at all?

On Jun 26, 2009, at 2:03 PM, Matthew Nuzum wrote:

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Rob Freiburger<rob at robfreiburger.com>  
wrote:
> How's the battery life?
>
> With Best Regards,

Watching two lost episodes from abc.com (45-50m each) back to back
uses about half my charge, so we'll say about 4 hours watching video.
Using ssh and working on files gets me about 5 hours. I'll bet if I
went to airline mode I'd get 6.

I bought the entry level laptop and then bought a 500GB hard drive and
replaced the oem 160GB. Interestingly enough, the OEM is rated at
740ma while the 500GB drive only 440ma. So that means the higher
capacity drive could increase my battery life. I only did thsi two
nights ago so haven't had a chance to verify a difference.

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
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From newz at bearfruit.org  Fri Jun 26 15:25:18 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:25:18 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: New Macintosh Models
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On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Rob Freiburger<rob at robfreiburger.com> wrote:
> Did you calibrate the battery at all?
>

No, but I've run it down to nearly zero a couple times. The estimated
time left changes depending on what I'm doing, presumably because I'm
using it lightly. If I'm on calls and going back and forth
infrequently between my notepad and my computer the estimated time
fluctuates between 5 and 9 hours remaining (gradually wearing down
over the day). I think that if you closed your lid when you knew you
wouldn't use it for several min you could go all day on one charge.

All considered, Apple is onto something. Relative to a normal laptop
battery the pack in the mbp is quite large. Inside the machine the
space is used very efficiently and there's not much room to spare.

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter

From newz at bearfruit.org  Fri Jun 26 17:43:25 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:43:25 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: New Macintosh Models
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4080906261325s5a5aac0fq2527b02b6b25d57b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D43921B1695991468329C1A7296519C05C56A595E8@exchange2k7.ipmvs.com>
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Wow, just found out about a new hidden feature it has... pretty slick.
http://www.9to5mac.com/macbook-missing-feature

I don't understand french well enough to figure out the key sequence
that enables this though.

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Matthew Nuzum<newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Rob Freiburger<rob at robfreiburger.com> wrote:
>> Did you calibrate the battery at all?
>>
>
> No, but I've run it down to nearly zero a couple times. The estimated
> time left changes depending on what I'm doing, presumably because I'm
> using it lightly. If I'm on calls and going back and forth
> infrequently between my notepad and my computer the estimated time
> fluctuates between 5 and 9 hours remaining (gradually wearing down
> over the day). I think that if you closed your lid when you knew you
> wouldn't use it for several min you could go all day on one charge.
>
> All considered, Apple is onto something. Relative to a normal laptop
> battery the pack in the mbp is quite large. Inside the machine the
> space is used very efficiently and there's not much room to spare.
>
> --
> Matthew Nuzum
> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
>



-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter

From tdwalton at gmail.com  Tue Jun 30 08:38:45 2009
From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:38:45 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Text Processing Choices
Message-ID: <e1d8c6520906300638j746e1e69h91950ab47cb8bbc2@mail.gmail.com>

What do you guys use to do text processing these days?  Perl doesn't
seem to be quite the hot item it used to be, but is there anything
better?

--
Todd

From mrdovey at iedu.com  Tue Jun 30 08:46:22 2009
From: mrdovey at iedu.com (Morris Dovey)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:46:22 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Text Processing Choices
In-Reply-To: <e1d8c6520906300638j746e1e69h91950ab47cb8bbc2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e1d8c6520906300638j746e1e69h91950ab47cb8bbc2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A4A172E.4000608@iedu.com>

Todd Walton wrote:
> What do you guys use to do text processing these days?  Perl doesn't
> seem to be quite the hot item it used to be, but is there anything
> better?

Depends on the task. I generally use C. :)

-- 
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

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From daniel.ramaley at drake.edu  Tue Jun 30 08:56:11 2009
From: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu (Daniel A. Ramaley)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:56:11 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Text Processing Choices
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sed, awk, grep, sort, cut, comm, perl. Not necessarily in that order. I 
use the more traditional tools for simple tasks, and perl for anything 
complicated. I sometimes use perl instead of grep for simple searches 
on large files, since Perl is faster than grep. For searching small 
files the startup time of perl and the extra typing to create a 
syntactically correct 1-line perl program leads me to use grep.

On 2009-06-30 at 08:38:45, Todd Walton wrote:
>What do you guys use to do text processing these days?  Perl doesn't
>seem to be quite the hot item it used to be, but is there anything
>better?

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From newz at bearfruit.org  Tue Jun 30 11:07:28 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:07:28 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Text Processing Choices
In-Reply-To: <200906300856.11474.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
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On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Daniel A.
Ramaley<daniel.ramaley at drake.edu> wrote:
> sed, awk, grep, sort, cut, comm, perl. Not necessarily in that order.

Except for perl, I'm with Daniel. If the command line tools don't work
out I often move to a spreadsheet. For example I commonly need to get
a bunch of data ready to put into a database so I will bring the raw
data into Calc. If possible in a way that I can have columns, but if
not I'll put all of it in one column and use some formulas to split it
out into cols and then in the far right column generate a formula that
builds my sql query that can be pasted in and run. For example:

="INSERT INTO table values ("&A2&", '"&A3&"',"&A4&");"
(and then fill down)

Of course this fails if you have more than about 65k rows though I
haven't had this prob in a while and I think some spreadsheets
actually handle more now.

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter

From morej at alliancetechnologies.net  Tue Jun 30 11:19:36 2009
From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:19:36 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Text Processing Choices
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4080906300907j2c103914vd3a9db47935bc1c9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e1d8c6520906300638j746e1e69h91950ab47cb8bbc2@mail.gmail.com>
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I just do it all in perl, but I'm sure that surprises no one.

Really, there are always many ways to do it, so pick one, learn it and
learn it well.  Then you'll know where its weak spots are and you can
learn something else to supplement them.  (For the record, perl's main
weak spot is that it is extremely easy to write bad code and have it
still work.  This isn't bad if you're a good programmer, but does make
some of the CPAN modules a bit iffy for production use.)


 

-Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC 
 morej at alliancetechnologies.net 
 515-245-7701



>>> Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org> 6/30/2009 11:07 AM >>> 
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Daniel A.
Ramaley<daniel.ramaley at drake.edu> wrote:
> sed, awk, grep, sort, cut, comm, perl. Not necessarily in that
order.

Except for perl, I'm with Daniel. If the command line tools don't work
out I often move to a spreadsheet. For example I commonly need to get
a bunch of data ready to put into a database so I will bring the raw
data into Calc. If possible in a way that I can have columns, but if
not I'll put all of it in one column and use some formulas to split it
out into cols and then in the far right column generate a formula that
builds my sql query that can be pasted in and run. For example:

="INSERT INTO table values ("&A2&", '"&A3&"',"&A4&");"
(and then fill down)

Of course this fails if you have more than about 65k rows though I
haven't had this prob in a while and I think some spreadsheets
actually handle more now.

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
_______________________________________________
Cialug mailing list
Cialug at cialug.org
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From John.Lengeling at radisys.com  Tue Jun 30 11:42:06 2009
From: John.Lengeling at radisys.com (John Lengeling)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 09:42:06 -0700
Subject: [Cialug] Text Processing Choices
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4080906300907j2c103914vd3a9db47935bc1c9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e1d8c6520906300638j746e1e69h91950ab47cb8bbc2@mail.gmail.com><200906300856.11474.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
	<f3c0b4080906300907j2c103914vd3a9db47935bc1c9@mail.gmail.com>
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> Except for perl, I'm with Daniel. If the command line tools don't work
> out I often move to a spreadsheet. For example I commonly need to get
> a bunch of data ready to put into a database so I will bring the raw
> ...
> ...

You usually have to end up using a mix of tools.  

I don't like spreadsheets IMHO since they are pretty restrictive on the
size of data.   There are limits on the # of rows and also the max size
of cells.  

I work a lot with multiline text data and spreadsheets just don't handle
multiline text well.

UNIX tools like sed/awk/cut/etc and perl don't have as many limits.  I
use the UNIX tools for simpler stuff (stuff written in 10-20 lines) and
perl for more complicated stuff like data validation, data translation,
code page conversion, screen scraping or XML formatting.

johnl

From ewenix at raccoon.com  Tue Jun 30 12:27:00 2009
From: ewenix at raccoon.com (ewenix at raccoon.com)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:27:00 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Cialug] Text Processing Choices
In-Reply-To: <4A49F4C80200002E000357BE@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
References: <e1d8c6520906300638j746e1e69h91950ab47cb8bbc2@mail.gmail.com>
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	<4A49F4C80200002E000357BE@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
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Me too.  Especially since I'm lazy and like to reuse the code.
I don't do this much anymore, but had a previous job which required
me to manipulate incoming data for about 6 hours a day.
Perl was very much suited for this task.

> I just do it all in perl, but I'm sure that surprises no one.
>


From cwfreeman at gmail.com  Tue Jun 30 14:17:13 2009
From: cwfreeman at gmail.com (Chris Freeman)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:17:13 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Text Processing Choices
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References: <e1d8c6520906300638j746e1e69h91950ab47cb8bbc2@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <3afd8deb0906301217q78f123fdna16fc67981e8a103@mail.gmail.com>

Perl, grep, cut, paste, sort and occasionally awk. And Vim, of course.
Vim is a text processing tool of immense power.

I will reiterate what's been said already: learn a flexible solution well.

Chris

From nathanism at gmail.com  Tue Jun 30 14:19:57 2009
From: nathanism at gmail.com (Nathan Stien)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:19:57 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Text Processing Choices
In-Reply-To: <3afd8deb0906301217q78f123fdna16fc67981e8a103@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e1d8c6520906300638j746e1e69h91950ab47cb8bbc2@mail.gmail.com> 
	<200906300856.11474.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
	<f3c0b4080906300907j2c103914vd3a9db47935bc1c9@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4A49F4C80200002E000357BE@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> 
	<25551.66.185.12.50.1246382820.squirrel@mail.raccoon.com> 
	<3afd8deb0906301217q78f123fdna16fc67981e8a103@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Chris Freeman <cwfreeman at gmail.com> wrote:

> Perl, grep, cut, paste, sort and occasionally awk. And Vim, of course.
> Vim is a text processing tool of immense power.


This is what I do, except instead of perl I usually use python or haskell so
I can work out the transformation routine in an interactive repl.

- Nathan
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