From mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu Tue Dec 1 00:39:51 2009 From: mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu (Mathew R. Phillips) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 00:39:51 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Stanford Programming Paradigms Message-ID: Has anyone seen these on youtube? http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=9D558D49CA734A02 I've been introduced to alot of these topics in my CS classes so far but its neat that they are all together in one class. It makes me wish i had a prof like this at my school :( Matt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091201/6da99036/attachment.htm From mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu Tue Dec 1 09:25:55 2009 From: mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu (Mathew R. Phillips) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:25:55 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] great article Message-ID: http://www.salon.com/21st/feature/1998/05/cov_12feature.html/index.html Its pretty dated but it basically sums up why lugs like this exist :) Matt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091201/8af0db38/attachment.htm From cialug at perdue.net Tue Dec 1 09:38:53 2009 From: cialug at perdue.net (Tim Perdue) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 09:38:53 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: In home video distribution Message-ID: <4B15388D.6090402@perdue.net> I wondered if any of the other geeks have found a good solution to in-home HD Video Distribution. I have a HD DVR in the basement and would like to pipe this to my other HDTVs scattered around the house, but only have an ethernet jack available at each TV, not HDMI or Component wiring. I do have a HAVA (slingbox like), but that would require a PC at each HDTV in order to view the output. What would be nice is another hava-type box that can receive the stream and put it on the TV. I haven't pulled up anything like this on google yet. Having an electrician out to run component jacks everywhere is a possibility, but it would be slicker to do something over ethernet. From lvl at omnitec.net Tue Dec 1 09:43:15 2009 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:43:15 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Cialug] OT: In home video distribution In-Reply-To: <4B15388D.6090402@perdue.net> References: <4B15388D.6090402@perdue.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Dec 2009, Tim Perdue wrote: > I wondered if any of the other geeks have found a good solution to > in-home HD Video Distribution. > > Having an electrician out to run component jacks everywhere is a > possibility, but it would be slicker to do something over ethernet. > It might be worth doing some sniffing around your provider - Charter, for example, is going to 'Switched Digital Video' for all HD channels here in St. Louis, which will negate the cable card we're now using for HD. Won't be long before accessing any outside program source will require an STB. Uverse, for example, already provides distribution-over-ethernet. Lee From cialug at perdue.net Tue Dec 1 09:48:00 2009 From: cialug at perdue.net (Tim Perdue) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 09:48:00 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: In home video distribution In-Reply-To: <4B15388D.6090402@perdue.net> References: <4B15388D.6090402@perdue.net> Message-ID: <4B153AB0.9020905@perdue.net> Tim Perdue wrote: > I wondered if any of the other geeks have found a good solution to > in-home HD Video Distribution. > > I have a HD DVR in the basement and would like to pipe this to my other > HDTVs scattered around the house, but only have an ethernet jack > available at each TV, not HDMI or Component wiring. I do have a HAVA > (slingbox like), but that would require a PC at each HDTV in order to > view the output. > > What would be nice is another hava-type box that can receive the stream > and put it on the TV. I haven't pulled up anything like this on google yet. > > Having an electrician out to run component jacks everywhere is a > possibility, but it would be slicker to do something over ethernet. I guess there is a 'slingcatcher' for those smart enough to have bought a slingbox.... $299 slingbox + 199 catcher = more expensive than electrician... From dave at dchamp.net Tue Dec 1 09:51:20 2009 From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 09:51:20 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: In home video distribution In-Reply-To: References: <4B15388D.6090402@perdue.net> Message-ID: <4B153B78.5090206@dchamp.net> L. V. Lammert wrote: > On Tue, 1 Dec 2009, Tim Perdue wrote: > > >> I wondered if any of the other geeks have found a good solution to >> in-home HD Video Distribution. >> >> Having an electrician out to run component jacks everywhere is a >> possibility, but it would be slicker to do something over ethernet. >> >> > It might be worth doing some sniffing around your provider - Charter, for > example, is going to 'Switched Digital Video' for all HD channels here in > St. Louis, which will negate the cable card we're now using for HD. > > Won't be long before accessing any outside program source will require an > STB. Uverse, for example, already provides distribution-over-ethernet. > > Lee > _______________________________________________ > I haven't looked into it too much, but I believe there are various UPnP player / client devices around, I've only played with UPnP with my PS3 and various streaming software like Mediatomb. Look around on sites like Engadget, there's a lot of devices like the Slingbox and the Hava stuff they talk about all the time. -dc From tim_linux at wilson-home.com Tue Dec 1 09:49:15 2009 From: tim_linux at wilson-home.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:49:15 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: In home video distribution In-Reply-To: References: <4B15388D.6090402@perdue.net> Message-ID: <5a9568c20912010749hda53571mcbaf21cea4223f8a@mail.gmail.com> I have a "poor man's" video distribution setup. My house is wired for both cable service and DirecTV. Since I'm not using cable service, I use it as my video distribution. Instead of plugging the cable into the "in" on my downstairs TiVo, I plug it into the "out". Then I bought an RF remote, and I can watch and control the TiVo from any room in the house. Just for good measure, I have a signal amplifier between the TiVo and the cable splitter. If your house is already wired for cable service and you're not using it, that might be a decent option. The quality isn't great, but it isn't bad either. On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 9:43 AM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > On Tue, 1 Dec 2009, Tim Perdue wrote: > > > I wondered if any of the other geeks have found a good solution to > > in-home HD Video Distribution. > > > > Having an electrician out to run component jacks everywhere is a > > possibility, but it would be slicker to do something over ethernet. > > > It might be worth doing some sniffing around your provider - Charter, for > example, is going to 'Switched Digital Video' for all HD channels here in > St. Louis, which will negate the cable card we're now using for HD. > > Won't be long before accessing any outside program source will require an > STB. Uverse, for example, already provides distribution-over-ethernet. > > Lee > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -- Tim Required reading: http://bccplease.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091201/b9e6af5e/attachment.htm From tim_linux at wilson-home.com Tue Dec 1 09:51:20 2009 From: tim_linux at wilson-home.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:51:20 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: In home video distribution In-Reply-To: <5a9568c20912010749hda53571mcbaf21cea4223f8a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B15388D.6090402@perdue.net> <5a9568c20912010749hda53571mcbaf21cea4223f8a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5a9568c20912010751uedbb91do1973e8fdd5673ef2@mail.gmail.com> Oops, missed the part about your DVR being HD. You won't get HD using my method. My TiVo is not HD, so it works great. On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Tim Wilson wrote: > I have a "poor man's" video distribution setup. My house is wired for both > cable service and DirecTV. Since I'm not using cable service, I use it as > my video distribution. Instead of plugging the cable into the "in" on my > downstairs TiVo, I plug it into the "out". Then I bought an RF remote, and > I can watch and control the TiVo from any room in the house. Just for good > measure, I have a signal amplifier between the TiVo and the cable splitter. > If your house is already wired for cable service and you're not using it, > that might be a decent option. The quality isn't great, but it isn't bad > either. > > > On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 9:43 AM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > >> On Tue, 1 Dec 2009, Tim Perdue wrote: >> >> > I wondered if any of the other geeks have found a good solution to >> > in-home HD Video Distribution. >> > >> > Having an electrician out to run component jacks everywhere is a >> > possibility, but it would be slicker to do something over ethernet. >> > >> It might be worth doing some sniffing around your provider - Charter, for >> example, is going to 'Switched Digital Video' for all HD channels here in >> St. Louis, which will negate the cable card we're now using for HD. >> >> Won't be long before accessing any outside program source will require an >> STB. Uverse, for example, already provides distribution-over-ethernet. >> >> Lee >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug at cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> > > > > -- > Tim > Required reading: http://bccplease.com/ > -- Tim Required reading: http://bccplease.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091201/da5cfb2c/attachment.htm From cialug at perdue.net Tue Dec 1 09:57:57 2009 From: cialug at perdue.net (Tim Perdue) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 09:57:57 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: In home video distribution In-Reply-To: <5a9568c20912010751uedbb91do1973e8fdd5673ef2@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B15388D.6090402@perdue.net> <5a9568c20912010749hda53571mcbaf21cea4223f8a@mail.gmail.com> <5a9568c20912010751uedbb91do1973e8fdd5673ef2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B153D05.3070109@perdue.net> Tim Wilson wrote: > Oops, missed the part about your DVR being HD. You won't get HD using > my method. My TiVo is not HD, so it works great. Yeah it's HD and the cable jacks are occupied by the satellite feed... I may ask Santa for a slingbox/slingcatcher for christmas. From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Tue Dec 1 10:00:32 2009 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:00:32 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: In home video distribution In-Reply-To: <4B15388D.6090402@perdue.net> References: <4B15388D.6090402@perdue.net> Message-ID: How proprietary - or what brand even, is the DVR? We seem to be lacking standards for how to do what you want to do. Lee's response may be the industry solution but it was cryptic to me. Are the TVs already in place? We are starting to see TVs (Samsung, LG) and Blu-ray players with Ethernet jacks for internet video (YouTube) and Netflix. TiVo DVRs allow you to move programs between machines - still requires a DVR at each television. Then there are media extenders and stream players like popcorn hour and the Western digital device. The biggest problem, IMHO is not only are there technical issues but also DRM and copyright issues so that even if a thing is technically possible the hardware may make it prohibitive. I have a friend who bought a "mother throw-down" HP Windows Media system for HD and because of these types of political-DRM issues never was able to take advantage of all the audio and HD technologies the box offered. He spent a lot of money and time trying to do it legally and the "right" way. He is switching to iTunes and AppleTV with EyeTV. Hijacking the analog output of the DVR may be the least troublesome solution in the end. -Nate > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org > [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Tim Perdue > Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 9:39 AM > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > Subject: [Cialug] OT: In home video distribution > > I wondered if any of the other geeks have found a good > solution to in-home HD Video Distribution. > > I have a HD DVR in the basement and would like to pipe this > to my other HDTVs scattered around the house, but only have > an ethernet jack available at each TV, not HDMI or Component > wiring. I do have a HAVA (slingbox like), but that would > require a PC at each HDTV in order to view the output. > > What would be nice is another hava-type box that can receive > the stream and put it on the TV. I haven't pulled up anything > like this on google yet. > > Having an electrician out to run component jacks everywhere > is a possibility, but it would be slicker to do something > over ethernet. > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From eric at eric.nu Tue Dec 1 10:08:00 2009 From: eric at eric.nu (Eric Junker) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:08:00 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: In home video distribution In-Reply-To: <4B15388D.6090402@perdue.net> References: <4B15388D.6090402@perdue.net> Message-ID: <4B153F60.1010603@eric.nu> Tim Perdue wrote: > I have a HD DVR in the basement and would like to pipe this to my other > HDTVs scattered around the house, but only have an ethernet jack > available at each TV, not HDMI or Component wiring. Do you have coax to each TV? If so, I wonder if something like the ZvBox would work. http://www.zeevee.com/connected-home I don't know much about this but some Googling turned up this site which has several products that might work. http://www.home-technology-store.com/structured-wiring/hdtv.aspx Eric From cialug at perdue.net Tue Dec 1 10:33:44 2009 From: cialug at perdue.net (Tim Perdue) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:33:44 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: In home video distribution In-Reply-To: <4B153F60.1010603@eric.nu> References: <4B15388D.6090402@perdue.net> <4B153F60.1010603@eric.nu> Message-ID: <4B154568.7010807@perdue.net> Eric Junker wrote: > Tim Perdue wrote: >> I have a HD DVR in the basement and would like to pipe this to my other >> HDTVs scattered around the house, but only have an ethernet jack >> available at each TV, not HDMI or Component wiring. > > Do you have coax to each TV? If so, I wonder if something like the ZvBox > would work. http://www.zeevee.com/connected-home That is really slick. Too bad I already got locked into a 2-year contract for HD dish tuners at each TV, which are also tieing up the coax jacks. From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Tue Dec 1 10:40:57 2009 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:40:57 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] FreeBSD Local Root Vuln Message-ID: <4B14F2BA0200002E0003AB37@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> If any of you run FreeBSD in production, you might want to be reading this: http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1/508146 -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej at alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 From james at dhlake.com Tue Dec 1 11:39:01 2009 From: james at dhlake.com (James Shoemaker) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 11:39:01 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: In home video distribution In-Reply-To: <4B15388D.6090402@perdue.net> References: <4B15388D.6090402@perdue.net> Message-ID: <4B1554B5.3020404@dhlake.com> Tim Perdue wrote: > I wondered if any of the other geeks have found a good solution to > in-home HD Video Distribution. > > I have a HD DVR in the basement and would like to pipe this to my other > HDTVs scattered around the house, but only have an ethernet jack > available at each TV, not HDMI or Component wiring. I do have a HAVA > (slingbox like), but that would require a PC at each HDTV in order to > view the output. > > What would be nice is another hava-type box that can receive the stream > and put it on the TV. I haven't pulled up anything like this on google yet. > > Having an electrician out to run component jacks everywhere is a > possibility, but it would be slicker to do something over ethernet. > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > I think they make adapters to send HDMI over cat 5. Likely not cheap. James From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Tue Dec 1 11:41:13 2009 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:41:13 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: In home video distribution In-Reply-To: <4B1554B5.3020404@dhlake.com> References: <4B15388D.6090402@perdue.net> <4B1554B5.3020404@dhlake.com> Message-ID: That is true. Gefen is a company that makes some great ones. The Gefen ones, at least the ones I am familiar with are point-to-point and do not actually use Ethernet or IP. -Nate > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org > [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of James Shoemaker > Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 11:39 AM > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Cialug] OT: In home video distribution > > Tim Perdue wrote: > > I wondered if any of the other geeks have found a good solution to > > in-home HD Video Distribution. > > > > I have a HD DVR in the basement and would like to pipe this to my > > other HDTVs scattered around the house, but only have an > ethernet jack > > available at each TV, not HDMI or Component wiring. I do > have a HAVA > > (slingbox like), but that would require a PC at each HDTV > in order to > > view the output. > > > > What would be nice is another hava-type box that can receive the > > stream and put it on the TV. I haven't pulled up anything > like this on google yet. > > > > Having an electrician out to run component jacks everywhere is a > > possibility, but it would be slicker to do something over ethernet. > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug at cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > I think they make adapters to send HDMI over cat 5. > Likely not cheap. > > James > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From dave at dchamp.net Tue Dec 1 13:51:29 2009 From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 13:51:29 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] great article In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B1573C1.9050806@dchamp.net> Mathew R. Phillips wrote: > > http://www.salon.com/21st/feature/1998/05/cov_12feature.html/index.html > > Its pretty dated but it basically sums up why lugs like this exist :) > > Matt > Just had lunch with Jon Backstrom, who's one of the founders of CIALUG (with James Shoemaker, Steve Fuller, and me...). We were thinking we should write a short history of the LUG, maybe some info on the early members and activities. I did have some pictures from some of the Installfests at the CLC, if anyone has stuff like that, let me know. -dc From mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu Tue Dec 1 14:57:17 2009 From: mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu (Mathew R. Phillips) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:57:17 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] great article References: <4B1573C1.9050806@dchamp.net> Message-ID: Sadly i was probably barely born when the group started :) lol. But I'm interested/excited to read it! -----Original Message----- From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org on behalf of David Champion Sent: Tue 12/1/2009 1:51 PM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] great article Mathew R. Phillips wrote: > > http://www.salon.com/21st/feature/1998/05/cov_12feature.html/index.html > > Its pretty dated but it basically sums up why lugs like this exist :) > > Matt > Just had lunch with Jon Backstrom, who's one of the founders of CIALUG (with James Shoemaker, Steve Fuller, and me...). We were thinking we should write a short history of the LUG, maybe some info on the early members and activities. I did have some pictures from some of the Installfests at the CLC, if anyone has stuff like that, let me know. -dc _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But I'm interested/excited to read it! > > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org on behalf of David Champion > Sent: Tue 12/1/2009 1:51 PM > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Cialug] great article > > Mathew R. Phillips wrote: > > > > > http://www.salon.com/21st/feature/1998/05/cov_12feature.html/index.htm > > l > > > > Its pretty dated but it basically sums up why lugs like > this exist :) > > > > Matt > > > > Just had lunch with Jon Backstrom, who's one of the founders > of CIALUG (with James Shoemaker, Steve Fuller, and me...). We > were thinking we should write a short history of the LUG, > maybe some info on the early members and activities. I did > have some pictures from some of the Installfests at the CLC, > if anyone has stuff like that, let me know. > > -dc > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > From dave at dchamp.net Tue Dec 1 15:14:28 2009 From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:14:28 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] great article In-Reply-To: References: <4B1573C1.9050806@dchamp.net> Message-ID: <4B158734.6070405@dchamp.net> We started in '97, so kind of late for the whole LUG movement thing, but there wasn't anything going on in Des Moines, so I contacted a few of the people I knew around town that were using Linux, or interested in it, and we made it happen. -dc Nathan C. Smith wrote: > When did the group start? Mid to late 90s? > > It is so much more than a LUG. > > -Nate > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org >> [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Mathew R. Phillips >> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 2:57 PM >> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group >> Subject: Re: [Cialug] great article >> >> >> Sadly i was probably barely born when the group started :) >> lol. But I'm interested/excited to read it! >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org on behalf of David Champion >> Sent: Tue 12/1/2009 1:51 PM >> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group >> Subject: Re: [Cialug] great article >> >> Mathew R. Phillips wrote: >> >>> >> http://www.salon.com/21st/feature/1998/05/cov_12feature.html/index.htm >> >>> l >>> >>> Its pretty dated but it basically sums up why lugs like >>> >> this exist :) >> >>> Matt >>> >>> >> Just had lunch with Jon Backstrom, who's one of the founders >> of CIALUG (with James Shoemaker, Steve Fuller, and me...). We >> were thinking we should write a short history of the LUG, >> maybe some info on the early members and activities. I did >> have some pictures from some of the Installfests at the CLC, >> if anyone has stuff like that, let me know. >> >> -dc >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug at cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > From lathrop at prestonfam.org Tue Dec 1 16:39:02 2009 From: lathrop at prestonfam.org (Lathrop Preston) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 16:39:02 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] great article In-Reply-To: <4B158734.6070405@dchamp.net> References: <4B1573C1.9050806@dchamp.net> <4B158734.6070405@dchamp.net> Message-ID: <276cbfb0912011439lafd0567h2247de632f926b32@mail.gmail.com> yes and there are still a few of us old timers still lurking about... (not a founder but darn close) On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 3:14 PM, David Champion wrote: > We started in '97, so kind of late for the whole LUG movement thing, but > there wasn't anything going on in Des Moines, so I contacted a few of > the people I knew around town that were using Linux, or interested in > it, and we made it happen. > > -dc > > Nathan C. Smith wrote: >> When did the group start? ?Mid to late 90s? >> >> It is so much more than a LUG. >> >> -Nate >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org >>> [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Mathew R. Phillips >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 2:57 PM >>> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group >>> Subject: Re: [Cialug] great article >>> >>> >>> Sadly i was probably barely born when the group started :) >>> lol. But I'm interested/excited to read it! >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org on behalf of David Champion >>> Sent: Tue 12/1/2009 1:51 PM >>> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group >>> Subject: Re: [Cialug] great article >>> >>> Mathew R. Phillips wrote: >>> >>>> >>> http://www.salon.com/21st/feature/1998/05/cov_12feature.html/index.htm >>> >>>> l >>>> >>>> Its pretty dated but it basically sums up why lugs like >>>> >>> this exist :) >>> >>>> Matt >>>> >>>> >>> Just had lunch with Jon Backstrom, who's one of the founders >>> of CIALUG (with James Shoemaker, Steve Fuller, and me...). We >>> were thinking we should write a short history of the LUG, >>> maybe some info on the early members and activities. I did >>> have some pictures from some of the Installfests at the CLC, >>> if anyone has stuff like that, let me know. >>> >>> -dc >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Cialug mailing list >>> Cialug at cialug.org >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug at cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -- ===================================== Lathrop Preston Sent from Urbandale, IA, United States From adk at 52761.com Tue Dec 1 22:19:59 2009 From: adk at 52761.com (Allen Kiddoo) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:19:59 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] need for speed Message-ID: <678823f00912012019v2457d0e4u8bcf7fc5bc074020@mail.gmail.com> 105Mb in Waterloo- http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/12/fastest-us-internet-waterloo-ia.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss Allen Kiddoo From mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu Tue Dec 1 23:08:11 2009 From: mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu (Mathew R. Phillips) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 23:08:11 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] need for speed References: <678823f00912012019v2457d0e4u8bcf7fc5bc074020@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: check out the link in one of the comments for the article http://www.paxio.com/ they have 1Gbps for $245/month...damn -----Original Message----- From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org on behalf of Allen Kiddoo Sent: Tue 12/1/2009 10:19 PM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: [Cialug] need for speed 105Mb in Waterloo- http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/12/fastest-us-internet-waterloo-ia.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss Allen Kiddoo _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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James From daniel.ramaley at drake.edu Wed Dec 2 11:10:22 2009 From: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu (Daniel A. Ramaley) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:10:22 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Nested virtualization In-Reply-To: <200911301550.09689.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> References: <200911301550.09689.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> Message-ID: <200912021110.22515.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> Thanks for the feedback to my question--you gave me some more ideas to consider, which is exactly what i needed. I'll investigate exporting a VirtualBox image and importing it into Xen. As the 2 require different software to be installed on the guest OS (i think Xen actually wants a different kernel), that could be interesting. But, perhaps it is possible. If that doesn't work i think i'll take the other suggestions of installing a Xen dom0 on my machine and making sure VirtualBox doesn't run at the same time. Once i'm done with Xen, i should be able to uninstall the extra kernel and related software and go back to VirtualBox. On 2009-11-30 at 15:50:09, Daniel A. Ramaley wrote: >Has anyone tried running either VirtualBox and Xen on the same >machine[1]? Alternatively, how about running Xen within VirtualBox[2]? -- Daniel A. Ramaley Network Engineer 2 Dial Center 118, Drake University 2407 Carpenter Ave / Des Moines IA 50311 USA Tel: +1 515 271-4540 Fax: +1 515 271-1938 E-mail: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu From daniel.ramaley at drake.edu Wed Dec 2 11:26:00 2009 From: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu (Daniel A. Ramaley) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:26:00 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] DVD burner issue Message-ID: <200912021126.00847.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> I have a DVD burner that has developed a strange issue. It can burn exactly 1 DVD per power cycle. Attempts to burn a second disc resulting in the drive locking itself, writing just enough to waste a disc, and blocking IO on the write process such that "kill -9" won't even get rid of it. A soft reboot isn't sufficient to clear it; a full power-down and cold reboot is necessary. This is on Debian Testing (amd64) with a 2.6.30 kernel. Has anyone seen this? My initial guess would be that i need a new drive, but i'm not convinced that guess is correct. When i boot up i get these in the kernel log that don't look good: Driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type methods Driver 'sr' needs updating - please use bus_type methods And when i try to burn a disc i get lots of other ugliness in the logs that makes me think it might be a software problem rather than hardware: Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.070361] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] Unhandled sense code Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.070370] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.070379] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] Sense Key : Blank Check [current] Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.070389] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] Add. Sense: No additional sense information Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.070400] end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 0 Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.070410] Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 0 Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.071087] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] Unhandled sense code Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.071093] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.071101] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] Sense Key : Blank Check [current] Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.071109] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] Add. Sense: No additional sense information Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.071117] end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 0 Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.071123] Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 0 Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.077312] cdrom: This disc doesn't have any tracks I recognize! Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133106] ffff8801ff1414d0 0000000000000086 0000000000000020 ffff8801fb00f800 Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133118] ffff8801fc7b8120 00000000000120c0 000000000000e250 ffff8801fd8d6e20 Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133129] ffff8801fd8d7110 00000001a00291d6 ffff8801ff1414d0 ffff880102c85208 Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133139] Call Trace: Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133220] [] ? scsi_setup_blk_pc_cmnd+0x39/0x117 [scsi_mod] Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133244] [] ? schedule+0x9/0x1e Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133255] [] ? schedule_timeout+0x1e/0xb6 Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133266] [] ? elv_next_request+0xd8/0x1a3 Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133276] [] ? wait_for_common+0xd7/0x148 Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133287] [] ? default_wake_function+0x0/0x9 Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133298] [] ? blk_execute_rq+0x93/0xab Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133307] [] ? get_request_wait+0x21/0x17e Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133316] [] ? set_next_entity+0x34/0x56 Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133355] [] ? scsi_execute+0xdc/0x12f [scsi_mod] Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133391] [] ? scsi_execute_req+0x87/0xb9 [scsi_mod] Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133408] [] ? sr_test_unit_ready+0x5d/0xc0 [sr_mod] Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133423] [] ? sr_media_change+0x45/0x237 [sr_mod] Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133434] [] ? schedule_hrtimeout_range+0xa2/0xf3 Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133444] [] ? finish_wait+0x35/0x60 Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133461] [] ? media_changed+0x42/0x74 [cdrom] Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133473] [] ? check_disk_change+0x22/0x52 Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133489] [] ? cdrom_open+0x8c9/0x942 [cdrom] Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133500] [] ? pollwake+0x0/0x48 Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133508] [] ? pollwake+0x0/0x48 Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133517] [] ? page_fault+0x25/0x30 Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133527] [] ? __lookup_mnt+0x12/0x4b Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133536] [] ? __d_lookup+0xc3/0x107 Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133545] [] ? kobject_get+0x12/0x17 Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133553] [] ? get_disk+0x47/0x62 Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133561] [] ? exact_lock+0xc/0x14 Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133572] [] ? kobj_lookup+0x11e/0x155 Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133580] [] ? kobject_get+0x12/0x17 Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133594] [] ? sr_block_open+0x86/0x9f [sr_mod] Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133604] [] ? __blkdev_get+0x260/0x353 Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133613] [] ? blkdev_open+0x0/0x96 Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133621] [] ? blkdev_open+0x67/0x96 Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133630] [] ? __dentry_open+0x148/0x260 Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133639] [] ? do_filp_open+0x463/0x85a Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133651] [] ? getnstimeofday+0x55/0xaf Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133660] [] ? alloc_fd+0x67/0x10c Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133668] [] ? do_sys_open+0x4b/0xc8 Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133679] [] ? system_call_fastpath+0x16/0x1b Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133714] INFO: task wodim:29654 blocked for more than 120 seconds. Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133719] "echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs" disables this message. Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133726] wodim D ffff8800280600c0 0 29654 6308 Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133736] ffff8801ff1414d0 0000000000000086 ffff880039ffd4c0 ffffffffa002e5c6 Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133746] ffff880102c854e8 00000000000120c0 000000000000e250 ffff8800a2f4e8b0 Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133756] ffff8800a2f4eba0 00000001a002e834 ffffffff802105ce ffff880102c854e8 Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133766] Call Trace: Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133803] [] ? scsi_init_io+0x21/0x142 [scsi_mod] Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133813] [] ? apic_timer_interrupt+0xe/0x20 Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133829] [] ? sr_prep_fn+0x2c/0x4bc [sr_mod] Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133839] [] ? schedule+0x9/0x1e Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133848] [] ? schedule_timeout+0x1e/0xb6 Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133883] [] ? scsi_request_fn+0x429/0x506 [scsi_mod] Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133893] [] ? wait_for_common+0xd7/0x148 Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133902] [] ? default_wake_function+0x0/0x9 Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133912] [] ? blk_execute_rq+0x93/0xab Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133922] [] ? blk_rq_append_bio+0x1b/0x4f Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133931] [] ? blk_rq_map_user+0x164/0x217 Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133940] [] ? freed_request+0x23/0x43 Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133948] [] ? sg_io+0x277/0x392 Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133957] [] ? zone_statistics+0x3c/0x5d Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133967] [] ? scsi_cmd_ioctl+0x1db/0x3a0 Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133975] [] ? update_curr+0x41/0x10e Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133983] [] ? check_preempt_wakeup+0x183/0x1dd Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134001] [] ? cdrom_ioctl+0x2c/0xe86 [cdrom] Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134010] [] ? default_wake_function+0x0/0x9 Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134022] [] ? __wake_up_common+0x44/0x73 Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134030] [] ? __wake_up+0x30/0x44 Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134044] [] ? sr_block_ioctl+0x49/0x85 [sr_mod] Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134052] [] ? apic_timer_interrupt+0xe/0x20 Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134060] [] ? __blkdev_driver_ioctl+0x69/0x7e Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134069] [] ? blkdev_ioctl+0x7e4/0x81a Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134078] [] ? thread_return+0x3e/0xb1 Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134087] [] ? remove_wait_queue+0x12/0x41 Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134095] [] ? __wake_up+0x30/0x44 Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134104] [] ? block_ioctl+0x38/0x3c Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134113] [] ? vfs_ioctl+0x21/0x6c Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134122] [] ? do_vfs_ioctl+0x42b/0x464 Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134131] [] ? vfs_write+0xcd/0x102 Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134139] [] ? sys_ioctl+0x51/0x70 Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134149] [] ? system_call_fastpath+0x16/0x1b -- Daniel A. Ramaley Network Engineer 2 Dial Center 118, Drake University 2407 Carpenter Ave / Des Moines IA 50311 USA Tel: +1 515 271-4540 Fax: +1 515 271-1938 E-mail: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu From newz at bearfruit.org Wed Dec 2 11:53:10 2009 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:53:10 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Nested virtualization In-Reply-To: <200912021110.22515.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> References: <200911301550.09689.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> <200912021110.22515.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> Message-ID: For the record, I tried running a Xen Dom U in virtualbox a couple months ago and it didn't work, even when HVM was not used. The VM simply black screened after the "bios" post. I was surprised by this since I wasn't trying to use HVM but oh well. 2009/12/2 Daniel A. Ramaley > Thanks for the feedback to my question--you gave me some more ideas to > consider, which is exactly what i needed. > > I'll investigate exporting a VirtualBox image and importing it into Xen. > As the 2 require different software to be installed on the guest OS (i > think Xen actually wants a different kernel), that could be interesting. > But, perhaps it is possible. > > If that doesn't work i think i'll take the other suggestions of > installing a Xen dom0 on my machine and making sure VirtualBox doesn't > run at the same time. Once i'm done with Xen, i should be able to > uninstall the extra kernel and related software and go back to > VirtualBox. > > On 2009-11-30 at 15:50:09, Daniel A. Ramaley wrote: > >Has anyone tried running either VirtualBox and Xen on the same > >machine[1]? Alternatively, how about running Xen within VirtualBox[2]? > > -- > Daniel A. Ramaley > Network Engineer 2 > > Dial Center 118, Drake University > 2407 Carpenter Ave / Des Moines IA 50311 USA > Tel: +1 515 271-4540 > Fax: +1 515 271-1938 > E-mail: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091202/b1fd5566/attachment.htm From james at dhlake.com Wed Dec 2 12:15:22 2009 From: james at dhlake.com (James Shoemaker) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:15:22 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] DVD burner issue In-Reply-To: <200912021126.00847.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> References: <200912021126.00847.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> Message-ID: <4B16AEBA.3050209@dhlake.com> Daniel A. Ramaley wrote: > I have a DVD burner that has developed a strange issue. It can burn > exactly 1 DVD per power cycle. Attempts to burn a second disc resulting > in the drive locking itself, writing just enough to waste a disc, and > blocking IO on the write process such that "kill -9" won't even get rid > of it. A soft reboot isn't sufficient to clear it; a full power-down and > cold reboot is necessary. This is on Debian Testing (amd64) with a > 2.6.30 kernel. > > Has anyone seen this? My initial guess would be that i need a new drive, > but i'm not convinced that guess is correct. When i boot up i get these > in the kernel log that don't look good: I saw a similar issue and it ended up being a hardware issue, I replaced the burner and the problem went away. Since it was an external burner I could power cycle it without bouncing the whole computer, but it would only burn one DVD per reset and I never figured out why. at the price of DVD burners I didn't work too hard to figure out either. James From dave at dchamp.net Wed Dec 2 13:14:34 2009 From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:14:34 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] DVD burner issue In-Reply-To: <4B16AEBA.3050209@dhlake.com> References: <200912021126.00847.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> <4B16AEBA.3050209@dhlake.com> Message-ID: <4B16BC9A.3000909@dchamp.net> James Shoemaker wrote: > Daniel A. Ramaley wrote: > >> I have a DVD burner that has developed a strange issue. It can burn >> exactly 1 DVD per power cycle. Attempts to burn a second disc resulting >> in the drive locking itself, writing just enough to waste a disc, and >> blocking IO on the write process such that "kill -9" won't even get rid >> of it. A soft reboot isn't sufficient to clear it; a full power-down and >> cold reboot is necessary. This is on Debian Testing (amd64) with a >> 2.6.30 kernel. >> >> Has anyone seen this? My initial guess would be that i need a new drive, >> but i'm not convinced that guess is correct. When i boot up i get these >> in the kernel log that don't look good: >> > > I saw a similar issue and it ended up being a hardware issue, I > replaced the burner and the problem went away. Since it was an external > burner I could power cycle it without bouncing the whole computer, but > it would only burn one DVD per reset and I never figured out why. at > the price of DVD burners I didn't work too hard to figure out either. > > James > You could try Ubuntu or some other boot disc to see if it's a software / driver issue pretty easily. I hate to replace "perfectly good" hardware unless I have to (*1) but a generic replacement drive is probably going to be pretty cheap. *1: I have an old DVD-ROM drive I use for installing DVD image distros on systems that normally don't have a DVD drive in them, the ejector motor / gearing / sensor is messed up, so if you don't have a disc in the drive, it will eject and stay open, but if you put a disc in, it works OK. I could replace it for $10, but why... when this one "works"??? ;) -dc From albus at iowaconnect.com Wed Dec 2 13:56:55 2009 From: albus at iowaconnect.com (albus) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:56:55 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] DVD burner issue References: <200912021126.00847.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> Message-ID: <9B7446C4DB894880A46C8A641E6A309D@RayJ> Try and update the firmware to the drive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel A. Ramaley" To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:26 AM Subject: [Cialug] DVD burner issue >I have a DVD burner that has developed a strange issue. It can burn > exactly 1 DVD per power cycle. Attempts to burn a second disc resulting > in the drive locking itself, writing just enough to waste a disc, and > blocking IO on the write process such that "kill -9" won't even get rid > of it. A soft reboot isn't sufficient to clear it; a full power-down and > cold reboot is necessary. This is on Debian Testing (amd64) with a > 2.6.30 kernel. > > Has anyone seen this? My initial guess would be that i need a new drive, > but i'm not convinced that guess is correct. When i boot up i get these > in the kernel log that don't look good: > > Driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type methods > Driver 'sr' needs updating - please use bus_type methods > > And when i try to burn a disc i get lots of other ugliness in the logs > that makes me think it might be a software problem rather than hardware: > > Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.070361] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] > Unhandled sense code > Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.070370] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] Result: > hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE > Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.070379] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] Sense > Key : Blank Check [current] > Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.070389] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] Add. > Sense: No additional sense information > Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.070400] end_request: I/O error, > dev sr0, sector 0 > Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.070410] Buffer I/O error on device > sr0, logical block 0 > Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.071087] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] > Unhandled sense code > Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.071093] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] Result: > hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE > Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.071101] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] Sense > Key : Blank Check [current] > Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.071109] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] Add. > Sense: No additional sense information > Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.071117] end_request: I/O error, > dev sr0, sector 0 > Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.071123] Buffer I/O error on device > sr0, logical block 0 > Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.077312] cdrom: This disc doesn't > have any tracks I recognize! > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133106] ffff8801ff1414d0 > 0000000000000086 0000000000000020 ffff8801fb00f800 > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133118] ffff8801fc7b8120 > 00000000000120c0 000000000000e250 ffff8801fd8d6e20 > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133129] ffff8801fd8d7110 > 00000001a00291d6 ffff8801ff1414d0 ffff880102c85208 > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133139] Call Trace: > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133220] [] ? > scsi_setup_blk_pc_cmnd+0x39/0x117 [scsi_mod] > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133244] [] ? > schedule+0x9/0x1e > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133255] [] ? > schedule_timeout+0x1e/0xb6 > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133266] [] ? > elv_next_request+0xd8/0x1a3 > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133276] [] ? > wait_for_common+0xd7/0x148 > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133287] [] ? > default_wake_function+0x0/0x9 > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133298] [] ? > blk_execute_rq+0x93/0xab > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133307] [] ? > get_request_wait+0x21/0x17e > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133316] [] ? > set_next_entity+0x34/0x56 > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133355] [] ? > scsi_execute+0xdc/0x12f [scsi_mod] > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133391] [] ? > scsi_execute_req+0x87/0xb9 [scsi_mod] > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133408] [] ? > sr_test_unit_ready+0x5d/0xc0 [sr_mod] > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133423] [] ? > sr_media_change+0x45/0x237 [sr_mod] > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133434] [] ? > schedule_hrtimeout_range+0xa2/0xf3 > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133444] [] ? > finish_wait+0x35/0x60 > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133461] [] ? > media_changed+0x42/0x74 [cdrom] > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133473] [] ? > check_disk_change+0x22/0x52 > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133489] [] ? > cdrom_open+0x8c9/0x942 [cdrom] > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133500] [] ? > pollwake+0x0/0x48 > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133508] [] ? > pollwake+0x0/0x48 > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133517] [] ? > page_fault+0x25/0x30 > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133527] [] ? > __lookup_mnt+0x12/0x4b > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133536] [] ? > __d_lookup+0xc3/0x107 > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133545] [] ? > kobject_get+0x12/0x17 > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133553] [] ? > get_disk+0x47/0x62 > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133561] [] ? > exact_lock+0xc/0x14 > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133572] [] ? > kobj_lookup+0x11e/0x155 > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133580] [] ? > kobject_get+0x12/0x17 > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133594] [] ? > sr_block_open+0x86/0x9f [sr_mod] > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133604] [] ? > __blkdev_get+0x260/0x353 > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133613] [] ? > blkdev_open+0x0/0x96 > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133621] [] ? > blkdev_open+0x67/0x96 > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133630] [] ? > __dentry_open+0x148/0x260 > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133639] [] ? > do_filp_open+0x463/0x85a > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133651] [] ? > getnstimeofday+0x55/0xaf > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133660] [] ? > alloc_fd+0x67/0x10c > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133668] [] ? > do_sys_open+0x4b/0xc8 > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133679] [] ? > system_call_fastpath+0x16/0x1b > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133714] INFO: task wodim:29654 > blocked for more than 120 seconds. > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133719] "echo 0 > > /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs" disables this message. > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133726] wodim D > ffff8800280600c0 0 29654 6308 > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133736] ffff8801ff1414d0 > 0000000000000086 ffff880039ffd4c0 ffffffffa002e5c6 > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133746] ffff880102c854e8 > 00000000000120c0 000000000000e250 ffff8800a2f4e8b0 > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133756] ffff8800a2f4eba0 > 00000001a002e834 ffffffff802105ce ffff880102c854e8 > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133766] Call Trace: > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133803] [] ? > scsi_init_io+0x21/0x142 [scsi_mod] > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133813] [] ? > apic_timer_interrupt+0xe/0x20 > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133829] [] ? > sr_prep_fn+0x2c/0x4bc [sr_mod] > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133839] [] ? > schedule+0x9/0x1e > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133848] [] ? > schedule_timeout+0x1e/0xb6 > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133883] [] ? > scsi_request_fn+0x429/0x506 [scsi_mod] > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133893] [] ? > wait_for_common+0xd7/0x148 > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133902] [] ? > default_wake_function+0x0/0x9 > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133912] [] ? > blk_execute_rq+0x93/0xab > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133922] [] ? > blk_rq_append_bio+0x1b/0x4f > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133931] [] ? > blk_rq_map_user+0x164/0x217 > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133940] [] ? > freed_request+0x23/0x43 > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133948] [] ? > sg_io+0x277/0x392 > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133957] [] ? > zone_statistics+0x3c/0x5d > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133967] [] ? > scsi_cmd_ioctl+0x1db/0x3a0 > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133975] [] ? > update_curr+0x41/0x10e > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133983] [] ? > check_preempt_wakeup+0x183/0x1dd > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134001] [] ? > cdrom_ioctl+0x2c/0xe86 [cdrom] > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134010] [] ? > default_wake_function+0x0/0x9 > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134022] [] ? > __wake_up_common+0x44/0x73 > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134030] [] ? > __wake_up+0x30/0x44 > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134044] [] ? > sr_block_ioctl+0x49/0x85 [sr_mod] > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134052] [] ? > apic_timer_interrupt+0xe/0x20 > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134060] [] ? > __blkdev_driver_ioctl+0x69/0x7e > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134069] [] ? > blkdev_ioctl+0x7e4/0x81a > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134078] [] ? > thread_return+0x3e/0xb1 > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134087] [] ? > remove_wait_queue+0x12/0x41 > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134095] [] ? > __wake_up+0x30/0x44 > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134104] [] ? > block_ioctl+0x38/0x3c > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134113] [] ? > vfs_ioctl+0x21/0x6c > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134122] [] ? > do_vfs_ioctl+0x42b/0x464 > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134131] [] ? > vfs_write+0xcd/0x102 > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134139] [] ? > sys_ioctl+0x51/0x70 > Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134149] [] ? > system_call_fastpath+0x16/0x1b > > > > -- > Daniel A. Ramaley > Network Engineer 2 > > Dial Center 118, Drake University > 2407 Carpenter Ave / Des Moines IA 50311 USA > Tel: +1 515 271-4540 > Fax: +1 515 271-1938 > E-mail: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > From thiessenstuart at aol.com Wed Dec 2 14:07:27 2009 From: thiessenstuart at aol.com (Stuart Thiessen) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:07:27 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] DVD burner issue In-Reply-To: <9B7446C4DB894880A46C8A641E6A309D@RayJ> References: <200912021126.00847.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> <9B7446C4DB894880A46C8A641E6A309D@RayJ> Message-ID: <0816E5AE-7260-494B-9677-D6EE1B543FA4@aol.com> I have been googling about the Next Level Communications modem model e2012. A friend of mine is wondering whether its port is rated as 10BaseT, 100BaseT, or 1000BaseT. All I can find tells me 10BaseT, but I thought maybe one of you have run across the specs for this before? Thanks, Stuart On Dec 2, 2009, at 13:56 , albus wrote: > Try and update the firmware to the drive. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel A. Ramaley" > To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:26 AM > Subject: [Cialug] DVD burner issue > > >> I have a DVD burner that has developed a strange issue. It can burn >> exactly 1 DVD per power cycle. Attempts to burn a second disc >> resulting >> in the drive locking itself, writing just enough to waste a disc, and >> blocking IO on the write process such that "kill -9" won't even get >> rid >> of it. A soft reboot isn't sufficient to clear it; a full power- >> down and >> cold reboot is necessary. This is on Debian Testing (amd64) with a >> 2.6.30 kernel. >> >> Has anyone seen this? My initial guess would be that i need a new >> drive, >> but i'm not convinced that guess is correct. When i boot up i get >> these >> in the kernel log that don't look good: >> >> Driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type methods >> Driver 'sr' needs updating - please use bus_type methods >> >> And when i try to burn a disc i get lots of other ugliness in the >> logs >> that makes me think it might be a software problem rather than >> hardware: >> >> Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.070361] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] >> Unhandled sense code >> Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.070370] sr 2:0:0:0: >> [sr0] Result: >> hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE >> Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.070379] sr 2:0:0:0: >> [sr0] Sense >> Key : Blank Check [current] >> Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.070389] sr 2:0:0:0: >> [sr0] Add. >> Sense: No additional sense information >> Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.070400] end_request: I/O >> error, >> dev sr0, sector 0 >> Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.070410] Buffer I/O error >> on device >> sr0, logical block 0 >> Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.071087] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] >> Unhandled sense code >> Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.071093] sr 2:0:0:0: >> [sr0] Result: >> hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE >> Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.071101] sr 2:0:0:0: >> [sr0] Sense >> Key : Blank Check [current] >> Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.071109] sr 2:0:0:0: >> [sr0] Add. >> Sense: No additional sense information >> Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.071117] end_request: I/O >> error, >> dev sr0, sector 0 >> Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.071123] Buffer I/O error >> on device >> sr0, logical block 0 >> Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.077312] cdrom: This disc >> doesn't >> have any tracks I recognize! >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133106] ffff8801ff1414d0 >> 0000000000000086 0000000000000020 ffff8801fb00f800 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133118] ffff8801fc7b8120 >> 00000000000120c0 000000000000e250 ffff8801fd8d6e20 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133129] ffff8801fd8d7110 >> 00000001a00291d6 ffff8801ff1414d0 ffff880102c85208 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133139] Call Trace: >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133220] >> [] ? >> scsi_setup_blk_pc_cmnd+0x39/0x117 [scsi_mod] >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133244] >> [] ? >> schedule+0x9/0x1e >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133255] >> [] ? >> schedule_timeout+0x1e/0xb6 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133266] >> [] ? >> elv_next_request+0xd8/0x1a3 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133276] >> [] ? >> wait_for_common+0xd7/0x148 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133287] >> [] ? >> default_wake_function+0x0/0x9 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133298] >> [] ? >> blk_execute_rq+0x93/0xab >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133307] >> [] ? >> get_request_wait+0x21/0x17e >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133316] >> [] ? >> set_next_entity+0x34/0x56 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133355] >> [] ? >> scsi_execute+0xdc/0x12f [scsi_mod] >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133391] >> [] ? >> scsi_execute_req+0x87/0xb9 [scsi_mod] >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133408] >> [] ? >> sr_test_unit_ready+0x5d/0xc0 [sr_mod] >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133423] >> [] ? >> sr_media_change+0x45/0x237 [sr_mod] >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133434] >> [] ? >> schedule_hrtimeout_range+0xa2/0xf3 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133444] >> [] ? >> finish_wait+0x35/0x60 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133461] >> [] ? >> media_changed+0x42/0x74 [cdrom] >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133473] >> [] ? >> check_disk_change+0x22/0x52 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133489] >> [] ? >> cdrom_open+0x8c9/0x942 [cdrom] >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133500] >> [] ? >> pollwake+0x0/0x48 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133508] >> [] ? >> pollwake+0x0/0x48 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133517] >> [] ? >> page_fault+0x25/0x30 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133527] >> [] ? >> __lookup_mnt+0x12/0x4b >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133536] >> [] ? >> __d_lookup+0xc3/0x107 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133545] >> [] ? >> kobject_get+0x12/0x17 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133553] >> [] ? >> get_disk+0x47/0x62 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133561] >> [] ? >> exact_lock+0xc/0x14 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133572] >> [] ? >> kobj_lookup+0x11e/0x155 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133580] >> [] ? >> kobject_get+0x12/0x17 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133594] >> [] ? >> sr_block_open+0x86/0x9f [sr_mod] >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133604] >> [] ? >> __blkdev_get+0x260/0x353 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133613] >> [] ? >> blkdev_open+0x0/0x96 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133621] >> [] ? >> blkdev_open+0x67/0x96 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133630] >> [] ? >> __dentry_open+0x148/0x260 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133639] >> [] ? >> do_filp_open+0x463/0x85a >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133651] >> [] ? >> getnstimeofday+0x55/0xaf >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133660] >> [] ? >> alloc_fd+0x67/0x10c >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133668] >> [] ? >> do_sys_open+0x4b/0xc8 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133679] >> [] ? >> system_call_fastpath+0x16/0x1b >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133714] INFO: task wodim: >> 29654 >> blocked for more than 120 seconds. >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133719] "echo 0 > >> /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs" disables this message. >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133726] wodim D >> ffff8800280600c0 0 29654 6308 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133736] ffff8801ff1414d0 >> 0000000000000086 ffff880039ffd4c0 ffffffffa002e5c6 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133746] ffff880102c854e8 >> 00000000000120c0 000000000000e250 ffff8800a2f4e8b0 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133756] ffff8800a2f4eba0 >> 00000001a002e834 ffffffff802105ce ffff880102c854e8 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133766] Call Trace: >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133803] >> [] ? >> scsi_init_io+0x21/0x142 [scsi_mod] >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133813] >> [] ? >> apic_timer_interrupt+0xe/0x20 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133829] >> [] ? >> sr_prep_fn+0x2c/0x4bc [sr_mod] >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133839] >> [] ? >> schedule+0x9/0x1e >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133848] >> [] ? >> schedule_timeout+0x1e/0xb6 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133883] >> [] ? >> scsi_request_fn+0x429/0x506 [scsi_mod] >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133893] >> [] ? >> wait_for_common+0xd7/0x148 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133902] >> [] ? >> default_wake_function+0x0/0x9 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133912] >> [] ? >> blk_execute_rq+0x93/0xab >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133922] >> [] ? >> blk_rq_append_bio+0x1b/0x4f >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133931] >> [] ? >> blk_rq_map_user+0x164/0x217 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133940] >> [] ? >> freed_request+0x23/0x43 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133948] >> [] ? >> sg_io+0x277/0x392 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133957] >> [] ? >> zone_statistics+0x3c/0x5d >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133967] >> [] ? >> scsi_cmd_ioctl+0x1db/0x3a0 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133975] >> [] ? >> update_curr+0x41/0x10e >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133983] >> [] ? >> check_preempt_wakeup+0x183/0x1dd >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134001] >> [] ? >> cdrom_ioctl+0x2c/0xe86 [cdrom] >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134010] >> [] ? >> default_wake_function+0x0/0x9 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134022] >> [] ? >> __wake_up_common+0x44/0x73 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134030] >> [] ? >> __wake_up+0x30/0x44 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134044] >> [] ? >> sr_block_ioctl+0x49/0x85 [sr_mod] >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134052] >> [] ? >> apic_timer_interrupt+0xe/0x20 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134060] >> [] ? >> __blkdev_driver_ioctl+0x69/0x7e >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134069] >> [] ? >> blkdev_ioctl+0x7e4/0x81a >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134078] >> [] ? >> thread_return+0x3e/0xb1 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134087] >> [] ? >> remove_wait_queue+0x12/0x41 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134095] >> [] ? >> __wake_up+0x30/0x44 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134104] >> [] ? >> block_ioctl+0x38/0x3c >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134113] >> [] ? >> vfs_ioctl+0x21/0x6c >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134122] >> [] ? >> do_vfs_ioctl+0x42b/0x464 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134131] >> [] ? >> vfs_write+0xcd/0x102 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134139] >> [] ? >> sys_ioctl+0x51/0x70 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134149] >> [] ? >> system_call_fastpath+0x16/0x1b >> >> >> >> -- >> Daniel A. Ramaley >> Network Engineer 2 >> >> Dial Center 118, Drake University >> 2407 Carpenter Ave / Des Moines IA 50311 USA >> Tel: +1 515 271-4540 >> Fax: +1 515 271-1938 >> E-mail: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug at cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From thiessenstuart at aol.com Wed Dec 2 14:08:04 2009 From: thiessenstuart at aol.com (Stuart Thiessen) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:08:04 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Next Level Communications Modem (Resent with right subject, sorry!) In-Reply-To: <9B7446C4DB894880A46C8A641E6A309D@RayJ> References: <200912021126.00847.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> <9B7446C4DB894880A46C8A641E6A309D@RayJ> Message-ID: I have been googling about the Next Level Communications modem model e2012. A friend of mine is wondering whether its port is rated as 10BaseT, 100BaseT, or 1000BaseT. All I can find tells me 10BaseT, but I thought maybe one of you have run across the specs for this before? Thanks, Stuart On Dec 2, 2009, at 13:56 , albus wrote: > Try and update the firmware to the drive. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel A. Ramaley" > To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:26 AM > Subject: [Cialug] DVD burner issue > > >> I have a DVD burner that has developed a strange issue. It can burn >> exactly 1 DVD per power cycle. Attempts to burn a second disc >> resulting >> in the drive locking itself, writing just enough to waste a disc, and >> blocking IO on the write process such that "kill -9" won't even get >> rid >> of it. A soft reboot isn't sufficient to clear it; a full power- >> down and >> cold reboot is necessary. This is on Debian Testing (amd64) with a >> 2.6.30 kernel. >> >> Has anyone seen this? My initial guess would be that i need a new >> drive, >> but i'm not convinced that guess is correct. When i boot up i get >> these >> in the kernel log that don't look good: >> >> Driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type methods >> Driver 'sr' needs updating - please use bus_type methods >> >> And when i try to burn a disc i get lots of other ugliness in the >> logs >> that makes me think it might be a software problem rather than >> hardware: >> >> Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.070361] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] >> Unhandled sense code >> Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.070370] sr 2:0:0:0: >> [sr0] Result: >> hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE >> Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.070379] sr 2:0:0:0: >> [sr0] Sense >> Key : Blank Check [current] >> Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.070389] sr 2:0:0:0: >> [sr0] Add. >> Sense: No additional sense information >> Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.070400] end_request: I/O >> error, >> dev sr0, sector 0 >> Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.070410] Buffer I/O error >> on device >> sr0, logical block 0 >> Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.071087] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] >> Unhandled sense code >> Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.071093] sr 2:0:0:0: >> [sr0] Result: >> hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE >> Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.071101] sr 2:0:0:0: >> [sr0] Sense >> Key : Blank Check [current] >> Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.071109] sr 2:0:0:0: >> [sr0] Add. >> Sense: No additional sense information >> Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.071117] end_request: I/O >> error, >> dev sr0, sector 0 >> Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.071123] Buffer I/O error >> on device >> sr0, logical block 0 >> Dec 1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.077312] cdrom: This disc >> doesn't >> have any tracks I recognize! >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133106] ffff8801ff1414d0 >> 0000000000000086 0000000000000020 ffff8801fb00f800 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133118] ffff8801fc7b8120 >> 00000000000120c0 000000000000e250 ffff8801fd8d6e20 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133129] ffff8801fd8d7110 >> 00000001a00291d6 ffff8801ff1414d0 ffff880102c85208 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133139] Call Trace: >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133220] >> [] ? >> scsi_setup_blk_pc_cmnd+0x39/0x117 [scsi_mod] >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133244] >> [] ? >> schedule+0x9/0x1e >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133255] >> [] ? >> schedule_timeout+0x1e/0xb6 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133266] >> [] ? >> elv_next_request+0xd8/0x1a3 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133276] >> [] ? >> wait_for_common+0xd7/0x148 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133287] >> [] ? >> default_wake_function+0x0/0x9 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133298] >> [] ? >> blk_execute_rq+0x93/0xab >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133307] >> [] ? >> get_request_wait+0x21/0x17e >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133316] >> [] ? >> set_next_entity+0x34/0x56 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133355] >> [] ? >> scsi_execute+0xdc/0x12f [scsi_mod] >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133391] >> [] ? >> scsi_execute_req+0x87/0xb9 [scsi_mod] >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133408] >> [] ? >> sr_test_unit_ready+0x5d/0xc0 [sr_mod] >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133423] >> [] ? >> sr_media_change+0x45/0x237 [sr_mod] >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133434] >> [] ? >> schedule_hrtimeout_range+0xa2/0xf3 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133444] >> [] ? >> finish_wait+0x35/0x60 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133461] >> [] ? >> media_changed+0x42/0x74 [cdrom] >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133473] >> [] ? >> check_disk_change+0x22/0x52 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133489] >> [] ? >> cdrom_open+0x8c9/0x942 [cdrom] >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133500] >> [] ? >> pollwake+0x0/0x48 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133508] >> [] ? >> pollwake+0x0/0x48 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133517] >> [] ? >> page_fault+0x25/0x30 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133527] >> [] ? >> __lookup_mnt+0x12/0x4b >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133536] >> [] ? >> __d_lookup+0xc3/0x107 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133545] >> [] ? >> kobject_get+0x12/0x17 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133553] >> [] ? >> get_disk+0x47/0x62 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133561] >> [] ? >> exact_lock+0xc/0x14 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133572] >> [] ? >> kobj_lookup+0x11e/0x155 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133580] >> [] ? >> kobject_get+0x12/0x17 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133594] >> [] ? >> sr_block_open+0x86/0x9f [sr_mod] >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133604] >> [] ? >> __blkdev_get+0x260/0x353 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133613] >> [] ? >> blkdev_open+0x0/0x96 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133621] >> [] ? >> blkdev_open+0x67/0x96 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133630] >> [] ? >> __dentry_open+0x148/0x260 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133639] >> [] ? >> do_filp_open+0x463/0x85a >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133651] >> [] ? >> getnstimeofday+0x55/0xaf >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133660] >> [] ? >> alloc_fd+0x67/0x10c >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133668] >> [] ? >> do_sys_open+0x4b/0xc8 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133679] >> [] ? >> system_call_fastpath+0x16/0x1b >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133714] INFO: task wodim: >> 29654 >> blocked for more than 120 seconds. >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133719] "echo 0 > >> /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs" disables this message. >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133726] wodim D >> ffff8800280600c0 0 29654 6308 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133736] ffff8801ff1414d0 >> 0000000000000086 ffff880039ffd4c0 ffffffffa002e5c6 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133746] ffff880102c854e8 >> 00000000000120c0 000000000000e250 ffff8800a2f4e8b0 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133756] ffff8800a2f4eba0 >> 00000001a002e834 ffffffff802105ce ffff880102c854e8 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133766] Call Trace: >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133803] >> [] ? >> scsi_init_io+0x21/0x142 [scsi_mod] >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133813] >> [] ? >> apic_timer_interrupt+0xe/0x20 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133829] >> [] ? >> sr_prep_fn+0x2c/0x4bc [sr_mod] >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133839] >> [] ? >> schedule+0x9/0x1e >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133848] >> [] ? >> schedule_timeout+0x1e/0xb6 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133883] >> [] ? >> scsi_request_fn+0x429/0x506 [scsi_mod] >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133893] >> [] ? >> wait_for_common+0xd7/0x148 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133902] >> [] ? >> default_wake_function+0x0/0x9 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133912] >> [] ? >> blk_execute_rq+0x93/0xab >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133922] >> [] ? >> blk_rq_append_bio+0x1b/0x4f >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133931] >> [] ? >> blk_rq_map_user+0x164/0x217 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133940] >> [] ? >> freed_request+0x23/0x43 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133948] >> [] ? >> sg_io+0x277/0x392 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133957] >> [] ? >> zone_statistics+0x3c/0x5d >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133967] >> [] ? >> scsi_cmd_ioctl+0x1db/0x3a0 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133975] >> [] ? >> update_curr+0x41/0x10e >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133983] >> [] ? >> check_preempt_wakeup+0x183/0x1dd >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134001] >> [] ? >> cdrom_ioctl+0x2c/0xe86 [cdrom] >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134010] >> [] ? >> default_wake_function+0x0/0x9 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134022] >> [] ? >> __wake_up_common+0x44/0x73 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134030] >> [] ? >> __wake_up+0x30/0x44 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134044] >> [] ? >> sr_block_ioctl+0x49/0x85 [sr_mod] >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134052] >> [] ? >> apic_timer_interrupt+0xe/0x20 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134060] >> [] ? >> __blkdev_driver_ioctl+0x69/0x7e >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134069] >> [] ? >> blkdev_ioctl+0x7e4/0x81a >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134078] >> [] ? >> thread_return+0x3e/0xb1 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134087] >> [] ? >> remove_wait_queue+0x12/0x41 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134095] >> [] ? >> __wake_up+0x30/0x44 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134104] >> [] ? >> block_ioctl+0x38/0x3c >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134113] >> [] ? >> vfs_ioctl+0x21/0x6c >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134122] >> [] ? >> do_vfs_ioctl+0x42b/0x464 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134131] >> [] ? >> vfs_write+0xcd/0x102 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134139] >> [] ? >> sys_ioctl+0x51/0x70 >> Dec 1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134149] >> [] ? >> system_call_fastpath+0x16/0x1b >> >> >> >> -- >> Daniel A. Ramaley >> Network Engineer 2 >> >> Dial Center 118, Drake University >> 2407 Carpenter Ave / Des Moines IA 50311 USA >> Tel: +1 515 271-4540 >> Fax: +1 515 271-1938 >> E-mail: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug at cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From jim.asbille at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 23:03:29 2009 From: jim.asbille at gmail.com (Jim Asbille) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 23:03:29 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Printing Directories In-Reply-To: <60fcb45d0912021937j2d9cda7kd5f06b9fe0ebfe98@mail.gmail.com> References: <60fcb45d0912021937j2d9cda7kd5f06b9fe0ebfe98@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <60fcb45d0912022103g1a0672b2g8a12e85aa58bf70@mail.gmail.com> Well here is the answer. I installed Tree then ran* tree -d > print.txt*. Worked like a charm. Jim Asbille, MSM registered Linux user number 388067 "Failure is not an option. It's a standard feature of Windows and is bundled into the Operating System for your convenience, at no additional charge." On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:37 PM, Jim Asbille wrote: > Here is a simple question that I hope someone has an answer for. I have a > directory called mp3 with all of my music in it. I want to generate a file > that lists the directories and sub-directories but not the files. > > I have used *ls -R > print.txt* but that generates a 597 page document > since it prints every song and image. I just want the Artist level > Directories and the Album Level Directories to print to a file. > > Directory Structure > mp3 > *Artist > Album* > Files > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Jim Asbille, MSM > registered Linux user number 388067 > > "Failure is not an option. It's a standard feature of Windows and is > bundled into the Operating System for your convenience, at no additional > charge." > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091202/9203e6e9/attachment.htm From daniel.ramaley at drake.edu Wed Dec 2 23:32:38 2009 From: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu (Daniel A. Ramaley) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 23:32:38 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Printing Directories In-Reply-To: <60fcb45d0912022103g1a0672b2g8a12e85aa58bf70@mail.gmail.com> References: <60fcb45d0912021937j2d9cda7kd5f06b9fe0ebfe98@mail.gmail.com> <60fcb45d0912022103g1a0672b2g8a12e85aa58bf70@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200912022332.38705.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> find -type d should also work. On 2009-12-02 at 23:03:29, Jim Asbille wrote: >Well here is the answer. I installed Tree then ran* tree -d > > print.txt*. Worked like a charm. > >Jim Asbille, MSM >registered Linux user number 388067 > >"Failure is not an option. It's a standard feature of Windows and is >bundled into the Operating System for your convenience, at no > additional charge." > >On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:37 PM, Jim Asbille wrote: >> Here is a simple question that I hope someone has an answer for. I >> have a directory called mp3 with all of my music in it. I want to >> generate a file that lists the directories and sub-directories but >> not the files. >> >> I have used *ls -R > print.txt* but that generates a 597 page >> document since it prints every song and image. I just want the >> Artist level Directories and the Album Level Directories to print to >> a file. >> >> Directory Structure >> mp3 >> *Artist >> Album* >> Files >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> >> >> Jim Asbille, MSM >> registered Linux user number 388067 >> >> "Failure is not an option. It's a standard feature of Windows and >> is bundled into the Operating System for your convenience, at no >> additional charge." > -- Daniel A. Ramaley Network Engineer 2 Dial Center 118, Drake University 2407 Carpenter Ave / Des Moines IA 50311 USA Tel: +1 515 271-4540 Fax: +1 515 271-1938 E-mail: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu From tdwalton at gmail.com Thu Dec 3 06:37:47 2009 From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 06:37:47 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Printing Directories In-Reply-To: <60fcb45d0912022103g1a0672b2g8a12e85aa58bf70@mail.gmail.com> References: <60fcb45d0912021937j2d9cda7kd5f06b9fe0ebfe98@mail.gmail.com> <60fcb45d0912022103g1a0672b2g8a12e85aa58bf70@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Funny. I didn't see this email come through the first time. -- Todd On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Jim Asbille wrote: > Well here is the answer.? I installed Tree then ran tree -d > print.txt. > Worked like a charm. > > Jim Asbille, MSM > registered Linux user number 388067 > > "Failure is not an option. ?It's a standard feature of Windows and is > bundled into the Operating System for your convenience, at no additional > charge." > > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:37 PM, Jim Asbille wrote: >> >> Here is a simple question that I hope someone has an answer for.? I have a >> directory called mp3 with all of my music in it.? I want to generate a file >> that lists the directories and sub-directories but not the files. >> >> I have used ls -R > print.txt but that generates a 597 page document since >> it prints every song and image.? I just want the Artist level Directories >> and the Album Level Directories to print to a file. >> >> Directory Structure >> mp3 >> ?? Artist >> ????? Album >> ???????? Files >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> >> >> Jim Asbille, MSM >> registered Linux user number 388067 >> >> "Failure is not an option. ?It's a standard feature of Windows and is >> bundled into the Operating System for your convenience, at no additional >> charge." > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > From tim_linux at wilson-home.com Thu Dec 3 10:47:45 2009 From: tim_linux at wilson-home.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 10:47:45 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Printing Directories In-Reply-To: References: <60fcb45d0912021937j2d9cda7kd5f06b9fe0ebfe98@mail.gmail.com> <60fcb45d0912022103g1a0672b2g8a12e85aa58bf70@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5a9568c20912030847l306fe5f9y4a3be20cbfb514dd@mail.gmail.com> Huh, I thought I was the only one that didn't see it come through. On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:37 AM, Todd Walton wrote: > Funny. I didn't see this email come through the first time. > > -- > Todd > > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Jim Asbille > wrote: > > Well here is the answer. I installed Tree then ran tree -d > print.txt. > > Worked like a charm. > > > > Jim Asbille, MSM > > registered Linux user number 388067 > > > > "Failure is not an option. It's a standard feature of Windows and is > > bundled into the Operating System for your convenience, at no additional > > charge." > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:37 PM, Jim Asbille > wrote: > >> > >> Here is a simple question that I hope someone has an answer for. I have > a > >> directory called mp3 with all of my music in it. I want to generate a > file > >> that lists the directories and sub-directories but not the files. > >> > >> I have used ls -R > print.txt but that generates a 597 page document > since > >> it prints every song and image. I just want the Artist level > Directories > >> and the Album Level Directories to print to a file. > >> > >> Directory Structure > >> mp3 > >> Artist > >> Album > >> Files > >> > >> Thanks in advance. > >> > >> > >> > >> Jim Asbille, MSM > >> registered Linux user number 388067 > >> > >> "Failure is not an option. It's a standard feature of Windows and is > >> bundled into the Operating System for your convenience, at no additional > >> charge." > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug at cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -- Tim Required reading: http://bccplease.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091203/acbb8d0f/attachment-0001.htm From sarxan at elxanzade.com Thu Dec 3 15:58:14 2009 From: sarxan at elxanzade.com (Sarkhan Elkhanzade) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 15:58:14 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Printing Directories In-Reply-To: <5a9568c20912030847l306fe5f9y4a3be20cbfb514dd@mail.gmail.com> References: <60fcb45d0912021937j2d9cda7kd5f06b9fe0ebfe98@mail.gmail.com> <60fcb45d0912022103g1a0672b2g8a12e85aa58bf70@mail.gmail.com> <5a9568c20912030847l306fe5f9y4a3be20cbfb514dd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <85c10d5a0912031358v7b5207b6jd2d05ef9a41a3d7c@mail.gmail.com> It looks like no one received this email. Sarkhan Elkhanzade On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Tim Wilson wrote: > Huh, I thought I was the only one that didn't see it come through. > > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:37 AM, Todd Walton wrote: > >> Funny. I didn't see this email come through the first time. >> >> -- >> Todd >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Jim Asbille >> wrote: >> > Well here is the answer. I installed Tree then ran tree -d > print.txt. >> > Worked like a charm. >> > >> > Jim Asbille, MSM >> > registered Linux user number 388067 >> > >> > "Failure is not an option. It's a standard feature of Windows and is >> > bundled into the Operating System for your convenience, at no additional >> > charge." >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:37 PM, Jim Asbille >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Here is a simple question that I hope someone has an answer for. I >> have a >> >> directory called mp3 with all of my music in it. I want to generate a >> file >> >> that lists the directories and sub-directories but not the files. >> >> >> >> I have used ls -R > print.txt but that generates a 597 page document >> since >> >> it prints every song and image. I just want the Artist level >> Directories >> >> and the Album Level Directories to print to a file. >> >> >> >> Directory Structure >> >> mp3 >> >> Artist >> >> Album >> >> Files >> >> >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Jim Asbille, MSM >> >> registered Linux user number 388067 >> >> >> >> "Failure is not an option. It's a standard feature of Windows and is >> >> bundled into the Operating System for your convenience, at no >> additional >> >> charge." >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Cialug mailing list >> > Cialug at cialug.org >> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug at cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> > > > > -- > Tim > Required reading: http://bccplease.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091203/1b16164b/attachment.htm From adk at 52761.com Thu Dec 3 16:30:02 2009 From: adk at 52761.com (Allen Kiddoo) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 16:30:02 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] google dns Message-ID: <678823f00912031430p65afb0c5r3bd090d41fade4ba@mail.gmail.com> > Google is now competing with OpenDNS. > > Lot simpler numbers to remember for DNS : > > 8.8.8.8 > > 8.8.4.4 whois 8.8.8.8 Level 3 Communications, Inc. LVLT-ORG-8-8 (NET-8-0-0-0-1) 8.0.0.0 - 8.255.255.255 Google Incorporated LVLT-GOOGL-1-8-8-8 (NET-8-8-8-0-1) 8.8.8.0 - 8.8.8.255 # ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2009-12-02 20:00 From dave at dchamp.net Thu Dec 3 16:37:06 2009 From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 16:37:06 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] google dns In-Reply-To: <678823f00912031430p65afb0c5r3bd090d41fade4ba@mail.gmail.com> References: <678823f00912031430p65afb0c5r3bd090d41fade4ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B183D92.6010101@dchamp.net> Allen Kiddoo wrote: >> Google is now competing with OpenDNS. >> >> Lot simpler numbers to remember for DNS : >> >> 8.8.8.8 >> >> 8.8.4.4 >> > > whois 8.8.8.8 > Level 3 Communications, Inc. LVLT-ORG-8-8 (NET-8-0-0-0-1) > 8.0.0.0 - 8.255.255.255 > Google Incorporated LVLT-GOOGL-1-8-8-8 (NET-8-8-8-0-1) > 8.8.8.0 - 8.8.8.255 > > # ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2009-12-02 20:00 > I saw that... there's speculation that Goog is going to store all of your DNS lookups for datamining, of course. But it will be handy for testing DNS changes quickly, instead of waiting until the caches get updated. -dc From david at bierce.org Thu Dec 3 16:40:49 2009 From: david at bierce.org (David Bierce) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 16:40:49 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] google dns In-Reply-To: <4B183D92.6010101@dchamp.net> References: <678823f00912031430p65afb0c5r3bd090d41fade4ba@mail.gmail.com> <4B183D92.6010101@dchamp.net> Message-ID: <660FE8DA-C0C3-4CEA-A0DD-582A9229B588@bierce.org> Aside from data mining, it's also an opportunity to avoid lost revenue by ISPs and DNS services that redirect DNS to custom portals with advertising instead of returning no result..... It's also worth noting Level 3 has two public DNS server with easy to remember addresses. 4.2.2.1 4.2.2.2 Dave On Dec 3, 2009, at 4:37 PM, David Champion wrote: > Allen Kiddoo wrote: >>> Google is now competing with OpenDNS. >>> >>> Lot simpler numbers to remember for DNS : >>> >>> 8.8.8.8 >>> >>> 8.8.4.4 >>> >> >> whois 8.8.8.8 >> Level 3 Communications, Inc. LVLT-ORG-8-8 (NET-8-0-0-0-1) >> 8.0.0.0 - 8.255.255.255 >> Google Incorporated LVLT-GOOGL-1-8-8-8 (NET-8-8-8-0-1) >> 8.8.8.0 - 8.8.8.255 >> >> # ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2009-12-02 20:00 >> > > I saw that... there's speculation that Goog is going to store all of > your DNS lookups for datamining, of course. But it will be handy for > testing DNS changes quickly, instead of waiting until the caches get > updated. > > -dc > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From tdwalton at gmail.com Thu Dec 3 17:34:21 2009 From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 17:34:21 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] google dns In-Reply-To: <660FE8DA-C0C3-4CEA-A0DD-582A9229B588@bierce.org> References: <678823f00912031430p65afb0c5r3bd090d41fade4ba@mail.gmail.com> <4B183D92.6010101@dchamp.net> <660FE8DA-C0C3-4CEA-A0DD-582A9229B588@bierce.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 4:40 PM, David Bierce wrote: > Aside from data mining, it's also an opportunity to avoid lost revenue by ISPs > and DNS services that redirect DNS to custom portals with advertising > instead of returning no result..... > > I thought we'd decided here on the list some months ago that OpenDNS only does that if you opt in? -- Todd From ka_klick at mac.com Thu Dec 3 17:51:02 2009 From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:51:02 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] google dns In-Reply-To: References: <678823f00912031430p65afb0c5r3bd090d41fade4ba@mail.gmail.com> <4B183D92.6010101@dchamp.net> <660FE8DA-C0C3-4CEA-A0DD-582A9229B588@bierce.org> Message-ID: <2242C522-8E3E-4231-9C7C-32E2BC8FD1D6@mac.com> I sure didn't opt in and I've been getting redirects from OpenDNS. I've also had really bad DNS response from them lately, so will be trying out the google IPs tonight. On Dec 3, 2009, at 5:34 PM, Todd Walton wrote: > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 4:40 PM, David Bierce wrote: >> Aside from data mining, it's also an opportunity to avoid lost >> revenue by ISPs >> and DNS services that redirect DNS to custom portals with advertising >> instead of returning no result..... >> >> > > I thought we'd decided here on the list some months ago that OpenDNS > only does that if you opt in? > > -- > Todd > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -- Bryan "ka-klick" Baker Singer/Songwriter ka-klick at ka-klick.com http://ka-klick.com http://twitter.com/ka_klick <-- Twitter Feed From jerry at heiselman.com Thu Dec 3 18:30:33 2009 From: jerry at heiselman.com (Jerry Heiselman) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 18:30:33 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] google dns In-Reply-To: <2242C522-8E3E-4231-9C7C-32E2BC8FD1D6@mac.com> References: <678823f00912031430p65afb0c5r3bd090d41fade4ba@mail.gmail.com> <4B183D92.6010101@dchamp.net> <660FE8DA-C0C3-4CEA-A0DD-582A9229B588@bierce.org> <2242C522-8E3E-4231-9C7C-32E2BC8FD1D6@mac.com> Message-ID: <45a88bbd0912031630j46064f8fmf504ac58d92d8fb0@mail.gmail.com> I believe that we decided that you opt-in by even using them since you can't get their results any other way. So I don't see the problem. If you don't want the results, use your ISPs server or setup your own caching nameservers that only rely on the root servers. On 12/3/09, Bryan Baker wrote: > I sure didn't opt in and I've been getting redirects from OpenDNS. > I've also had really bad DNS response from them lately, so will be > trying out the google IPs tonight. > > On Dec 3, 2009, at 5:34 PM, Todd Walton wrote: >> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 4:40 PM, David Bierce wrote: >>> Aside from data mining, it's also an opportunity to avoid lost >>> revenue by ISPs >>> and DNS services that redirect DNS to custom portals with advertising >>> instead of returning no result..... >>> >>> >> >> I thought we'd decided here on the list some months ago that OpenDNS >> only does that if you opt in? >> >> -- >> Todd >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug at cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > -- > Bryan "ka-klick" Baker > Singer/Songwriter > ka-klick at ka-klick.com > http://ka-klick.com > http://twitter.com/ka_klick <-- Twitter Feed > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -- Jerry From joshstrobl at hush.ai Thu Dec 3 15:21:08 2009 From: joshstrobl at hush.ai (joshstrobl at hush.ai) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:21:08 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Intel's Experimental 48-Core CPU Message-ID: <20091203212109.10D8E2803F@smtp.hushmail.com> Came across this about a few minutes ago. http://www.informationweek.com/news/hardware/processors/showArticle. jhtml?articleID=222000533&subSection=News From gray at cs.uni.edu Thu Dec 3 18:44:45 2009 From: gray at cs.uni.edu (Paul Gray) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:44:45 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Intel's Experimental 48-Core CPU In-Reply-To: <20091203212109.10D8E2803F@smtp.hushmail.com> References: <20091203212109.10D8E2803F@smtp.hushmail.com> Message-ID: <4B185B7D.60002@cs.uni.edu> joshstrobl at hush.ai wrote: > Came across this about a few minutes ago. > > http://www.informationweek.com/news/hardware/processors/showArticle. > jhtml?articleID=222000533&subSection=News Yes, only 222 more cores and it'll have as many cores as the Tesla... http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=825 -- Paul Gray -o) 314 East Gym, Dept. of Computer Science /\\ University of Northern Iowa _\_V Message void if penguin violated ... Don't mess with the penguin No one says, "Hey, I can't read that ASCII attachment ya sent me." From cwfreeman at gmail.com Thu Dec 3 22:00:44 2009 From: cwfreeman at gmail.com (Chris Freeman) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 22:00:44 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Printing Directories In-Reply-To: <200912022332.38705.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> References: <60fcb45d0912021937j2d9cda7kd5f06b9fe0ebfe98@mail.gmail.com> <60fcb45d0912022103g1a0672b2g8a12e85aa58bf70@mail.gmail.com> <200912022332.38705.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> Message-ID: <3afd8deb0912032000y7e3467e0x9e22b6d755c6d7cb@mail.gmail.com> 'find -type d' won't find the files, only the directories. Also, if you want a tree view, find isn't as efficient as tree. I think this is a better find | sed "s/[^\/]*\//\t/g" If you want to match tree's output, this comes pretty close (but is not perfect): find . -name '.' -print -o -name '.*' -prune -o -print | sed "s/[^\/]*\//| /g" | sed "s/| *\(\w\)/|-- \1/g" Chris On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 11:32 PM, Daniel A. Ramaley wrote: > find -type d > should also work. > > On 2009-12-02 at 23:03:29, Jim Asbille wrote: >>Well here is the answer. ?I installed Tree then ran* tree -d > >> print.txt*. Worked like a charm. >> >>Jim Asbille, MSM >>registered Linux user number 388067 >> >>"Failure is not an option. ?It's a standard feature of Windows and is >>bundled into the Operating System for your convenience, at no >> additional charge." >> >>On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:37 PM, Jim Asbille > wrote: >>> Here is a simple question that I hope someone has an answer for. ?I >>> have a directory called mp3 with all of my music in it. ?I want to >>> generate a file that lists the directories and sub-directories but >>> not the files. >>> >>> I have used *ls -R > print.txt* but that generates a 597 page >>> document since it prints every song and image. ?I just want the >>> Artist level Directories and the Album Level Directories to print to >>> a file. >>> >>> Directory Structure >>> mp3 >>> ? ?*Artist >>> ? ? ? Album* >>> ? ? ? ? ?Files >>> >>> Thanks in advance. >>> >>> >>> >>> Jim Asbille, MSM >>> registered Linux user number 388067 >>> >>> "Failure is not an option. ?It's a standard feature of Windows and >>> is bundled into the Operating System for your convenience, at no >>> additional charge." >> > -- > Daniel A. Ramaley > Network Engineer 2 > > Dial Center 118, Drake University > 2407 Carpenter Ave / Des Moines IA 50311 USA > Tel: +1 515 271-4540 > Fax: +1 515 271-1938 > E-mail: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From lvl at omnitec.net Thu Dec 3 22:06:47 2009 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 22:06:47 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Cialug] Any Gedit users? In-Reply-To: <3afd8deb0912032000y7e3467e0x9e22b6d755c6d7cb@mail.gmail.com> References: <60fcb45d0912021937j2d9cda7kd5f06b9fe0ebfe98@mail.gmail.com> <60fcb45d0912022103g1a0672b2g8a12e85aa58bf70@mail.gmail.com> <200912022332.38705.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> <3afd8deb0912032000y7e3467e0x9e22b6d755c6d7cb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I've been playing with gedit, .. bu it seems totally braindead wrt key remapping. Gnome Terminal has a nice 'keybinding' editor right on the main menu, but zip, zilch, nada for gedit. Is anyone using gedit? If so, how do they get the keys mapped to a useful state? Line Tab to switch edit tabs (I use < * > for Terminal - works great), .. Backspace instead of z, stuff like that. Thanks! Lee From mattnuzum at gmail.com Fri Dec 4 04:08:13 2009 From: mattnuzum at gmail.com (mattnuzum at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 10:08:13 +0000 Subject: [Cialug] google dns In-Reply-To: <2242C522-8E3E-4231-9C7C-32E2BC8FD1D6@mac.com> References: <678823f00912031430p65afb0c5r3bd090d41fade4ba@mail.gmail.com> <4B183D92.6010101@dchamp.net> <660FE8DA-C0C3-4CEA-A0DD-582A9229B588@bierce.org> <2242C522-8E3E-4231-9C7C-32E2BC8FD1D6@mac.com> Message-ID: You can opt out. 2009/12/3 Bryan Baker > I sure didn't opt in and I've been getting redirects from OpenDNS. > I've also had really bad DNS response from them lately, so will be > trying out the google IPs tonight. > > On Dec 3, 2009, at 5:34 PM, Todd Walton wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 4:40 PM, David Bierce wrote: > >> Aside from data mining, it's also an opportunity to avoid lost > >> revenue by ISPs > >> and DNS services that redirect DNS to custom portals with advertising > >> instead of returning no result..... > >> > >> > > > > I thought we'd decided here on the list some months ago that OpenDNS > > only does that if you opt in? > > > > -- > > Todd > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug at cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > -- > Bryan "ka-klick" Baker > Singer/Songwriter > ka-klick at ka-klick.com > http://ka-klick.com > http://twitter.com/ka_klick <-- Twitter Feed > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091204/f732888f/attachment.htm From tim09 at perdue.net Tue Dec 1 09:46:20 2009 From: tim09 at perdue.net (Tim Perdue) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 09:46:20 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: In home video distribution In-Reply-To: <4B15388D.6090402@perdue.net> References: <4B15388D.6090402@perdue.net> Message-ID: <4B153A4C.3060000@perdue.net> Tim Perdue wrote: > I wondered if any of the other geeks have found a good solution to > in-home HD Video Distribution. > > I have a HD DVR in the basement and would like to pipe this to my other > HDTVs scattered around the house, but only have an ethernet jack > available at each TV, not HDMI or Component wiring. I do have a HAVA > (slingbox like), but that would require a PC at each HDTV in order to > view the output. > > What would be nice is another hava-type box that can receive the stream > and put it on the TV. I haven't pulled up anything like this on google yet. > > Having an electrician out to run component jacks everywhere is a > possibility, but it would be slicker to do something over ethernet. I guess there is a 'slingcatcher' for those smart enough to have bought a slingbox.... $299 slingbox + 199 catcher = more expensive than electrician... From leeh at www.softwarejanitor.com Wed Dec 2 13:25:17 2009 From: leeh at www.softwarejanitor.com (Leeland Heins) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:25:17 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] DVD burner issue In-Reply-To: 200912021126.00847.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu References: 200912021126.00847.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu Message-ID: On Wed Dec 2 17:26:00 2009, Central Iowa Linux Users Group wrote: > I have a DVD burner that has developed a strange issue. It can burn > exactly 1 DVD per power cycle. Attempts to burn a second disc resulting > in the drive locking itself, writing just enough to waste a disc, and > blocking IO on the write process such that "kill -9" won't even get rid > of it. A soft reboot isn't sufficient to clear it; a full power-down and > cold reboot is necessary. This is on Debian Testing (amd64) with a > 2.6.30 kernel. Here's what I'd try... Boot up a live distro from (for example) a USB stick (or maybe an external USB hard drive) and then see if you can burn w/o errors and burn a 2nd DVD-R. If it works from a live distro it isn't likely a hardware problem. -- Leeland Heins, leeh at softwarejanitor.com From firstpunicwar at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 12:10:49 2009 From: firstpunicwar at gmail.com (Jason Warden) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:10:49 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] DVD burner issue In-Reply-To: <200912021126.00847.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> References: <200912021126.00847.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> Message-ID: <65cdc4860912021010k407d1fdan29fa95d65a677156@mail.gmail.com> I had a similar problem with cdrecord but cdrdao it worked fine. This is audio/CDs only, don't know about DVD burning... On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Daniel A. Ramaley wrote: > I have a DVD burner that has developed a strange issue. It can burn > exactly 1 DVD per power cycle. Attempts to burn a second disc resulting > in the drive locking itself, writing just enough to waste a disc, and > blocking IO on the write process such that "kill -9" won't even get rid > of it. A soft reboot isn't sufficient to clear it; a full power-down and > cold reboot is necessary. This is on Debian Testing (amd64) with a > 2.6.30 kernel. > > Has anyone seen this? My initial guess would be that i need a new drive, > but i'm not convinced that guess is correct. When i boot up i get these > in the kernel log that don't look good: > > Driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type methods > Driver 'sr' needs updating - please use bus_type methods > > And when i try to burn a disc i get lots of other ugliness in the logs > that makes me think it might be a software problem rather than hardware: > > Dec ?1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.070361] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] > Unhandled sense code > Dec ?1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.070370] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] Result: > hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE > Dec ?1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.070379] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] Sense > Key : Blank Check [current] > Dec ?1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.070389] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] Add. > Sense: No additional sense information > Dec ?1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.070400] end_request: I/O error, > dev sr0, sector 0 > Dec ?1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.070410] Buffer I/O error on device > sr0, logical block 0 > Dec ?1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.071087] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] > Unhandled sense code > Dec ?1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.071093] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] Result: > hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE > Dec ?1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.071101] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] Sense > Key : Blank Check [current] > Dec ?1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.071109] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] Add. > Sense: No additional sense information > Dec ?1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.071117] end_request: I/O error, > dev sr0, sector 0 > Dec ?1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.071123] Buffer I/O error on device > sr0, logical block 0 > Dec ?1 18:06:50 coelacanth kernel: [345123.077312] cdrom: This disc doesn't > have any tracks I recognize! > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133106] ?ffff8801ff1414d0 > 0000000000000086 0000000000000020 ffff8801fb00f800 > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133118] ?ffff8801fc7b8120 > 00000000000120c0 000000000000e250 ffff8801fd8d6e20 > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133129] ?ffff8801fd8d7110 > 00000001a00291d6 ffff8801ff1414d0 ffff880102c85208 > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133139] Call Trace: > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133220] ?[] ? > scsi_setup_blk_pc_cmnd+0x39/0x117 [scsi_mod] > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133244] ?[] ? > schedule+0x9/0x1e > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133255] ?[] ? > schedule_timeout+0x1e/0xb6 > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133266] ?[] ? > elv_next_request+0xd8/0x1a3 > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133276] ?[] ? > wait_for_common+0xd7/0x148 > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133287] ?[] ? > default_wake_function+0x0/0x9 > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133298] ?[] ? > blk_execute_rq+0x93/0xab > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133307] ?[] ? > get_request_wait+0x21/0x17e > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133316] ?[] ? > set_next_entity+0x34/0x56 > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133355] ?[] ? > scsi_execute+0xdc/0x12f [scsi_mod] > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133391] ?[] ? > scsi_execute_req+0x87/0xb9 [scsi_mod] > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133408] ?[] ? > sr_test_unit_ready+0x5d/0xc0 [sr_mod] > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133423] ?[] ? > sr_media_change+0x45/0x237 [sr_mod] > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133434] ?[] ? > schedule_hrtimeout_range+0xa2/0xf3 > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133444] ?[] ? > finish_wait+0x35/0x60 > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133461] ?[] ? > media_changed+0x42/0x74 [cdrom] > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133473] ?[] ? > check_disk_change+0x22/0x52 > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133489] ?[] ? > cdrom_open+0x8c9/0x942 [cdrom] > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133500] ?[] ? > pollwake+0x0/0x48 > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133508] ?[] ? > pollwake+0x0/0x48 > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133517] ?[] ? > page_fault+0x25/0x30 > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133527] ?[] ? > __lookup_mnt+0x12/0x4b > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133536] ?[] ? > __d_lookup+0xc3/0x107 > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133545] ?[] ? > kobject_get+0x12/0x17 > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133553] ?[] ? > get_disk+0x47/0x62 > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133561] ?[] ? > exact_lock+0xc/0x14 > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133572] ?[] ? > kobj_lookup+0x11e/0x155 > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133580] ?[] ? > kobject_get+0x12/0x17 > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133594] ?[] ? > sr_block_open+0x86/0x9f [sr_mod] > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133604] ?[] ? > __blkdev_get+0x260/0x353 > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133613] ?[] ? > blkdev_open+0x0/0x96 > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133621] ?[] ? > blkdev_open+0x67/0x96 > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133630] ?[] ? > __dentry_open+0x148/0x260 > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133639] ?[] ? > do_filp_open+0x463/0x85a > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133651] ?[] ? > getnstimeofday+0x55/0xaf > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133660] ?[] ? > alloc_fd+0x67/0x10c > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133668] ?[] ? > do_sys_open+0x4b/0xc8 > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133679] ?[] ? > system_call_fastpath+0x16/0x1b > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133714] INFO: task wodim:29654 > blocked for more than 120 seconds. > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133719] "echo 0 > > /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs" disables this message. > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133726] wodim ? ? ? ? D > ffff8800280600c0 ? ? 0 29654 ? 6308 > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133736] ?ffff8801ff1414d0 > 0000000000000086 ffff880039ffd4c0 ffffffffa002e5c6 > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133746] ?ffff880102c854e8 > 00000000000120c0 000000000000e250 ffff8800a2f4e8b0 > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133756] ?ffff8800a2f4eba0 > 00000001a002e834 ffffffff802105ce ffff880102c854e8 > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133766] Call Trace: > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133803] ?[] ? > scsi_init_io+0x21/0x142 [scsi_mod] > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133813] ?[] ? > apic_timer_interrupt+0xe/0x20 > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133829] ?[] ? > sr_prep_fn+0x2c/0x4bc [sr_mod] > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133839] ?[] ? > schedule+0x9/0x1e > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133848] ?[] ? > schedule_timeout+0x1e/0xb6 > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133883] ?[] ? > scsi_request_fn+0x429/0x506 [scsi_mod] > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133893] ?[] ? > wait_for_common+0xd7/0x148 > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133902] ?[] ? > default_wake_function+0x0/0x9 > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133912] ?[] ? > blk_execute_rq+0x93/0xab > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133922] ?[] ? > blk_rq_append_bio+0x1b/0x4f > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133931] ?[] ? > blk_rq_map_user+0x164/0x217 > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133940] ?[] ? > freed_request+0x23/0x43 > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133948] ?[] ? > sg_io+0x277/0x392 > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133957] ?[] ? > zone_statistics+0x3c/0x5d > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133967] ?[] ? > scsi_cmd_ioctl+0x1db/0x3a0 > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133975] ?[] ? > update_curr+0x41/0x10e > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.133983] ?[] ? > check_preempt_wakeup+0x183/0x1dd > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134001] ?[] ? > cdrom_ioctl+0x2c/0xe86 [cdrom] > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134010] ?[] ? > default_wake_function+0x0/0x9 > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134022] ?[] ? > __wake_up_common+0x44/0x73 > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134030] ?[] ? > __wake_up+0x30/0x44 > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134044] ?[] ? > sr_block_ioctl+0x49/0x85 [sr_mod] > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134052] ?[] ? > apic_timer_interrupt+0xe/0x20 > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134060] ?[] ? > __blkdev_driver_ioctl+0x69/0x7e > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134069] ?[] ? > blkdev_ioctl+0x7e4/0x81a > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134078] ?[] ? > thread_return+0x3e/0xb1 > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134087] ?[] ? > remove_wait_queue+0x12/0x41 > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134095] ?[] ? > __wake_up+0x30/0x44 > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134104] ?[] ? > block_ioctl+0x38/0x3c > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134113] ?[] ? > vfs_ioctl+0x21/0x6c > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134122] ?[] ? > do_vfs_ioctl+0x42b/0x464 > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134131] ?[] ? > vfs_write+0xcd/0x102 > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134139] ?[] ? > sys_ioctl+0x51/0x70 > Dec ?1 18:10:48 coelacanth kernel: [345361.134149] ?[] ? > system_call_fastpath+0x16/0x1b > > > > -- > Daniel A. Ramaley > Network Engineer 2 > > Dial Center 118, Drake University > 2407 Carpenter Ave / Des Moines IA 50311 USA > Tel: +1 515 271-4540 > Fax: +1 515 271-1938 > E-mail: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From jim.asbille at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 21:37:50 2009 From: jim.asbille at gmail.com (Jim Asbille) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 21:37:50 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Printing Directories Message-ID: <60fcb45d0912021937j2d9cda7kd5f06b9fe0ebfe98@mail.gmail.com> Here is a simple question that I hope someone has an answer for. I have a directory called mp3 with all of my music in it. I want to generate a file that lists the directories and sub-directories but not the files. I have used *ls -R > print.txt* but that generates a 597 page document since it prints every song and image. I just want the Artist level Directories and the Album Level Directories to print to a file. Directory Structure mp3 *Artist Album* Files Thanks in advance. Jim Asbille, MSM registered Linux user number 388067 "Failure is not an option. It's a standard feature of Windows and is bundled into the Operating System for your convenience, at no additional charge." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091202/cc67f4ee/attachment.htm From kyounger at gmail.com Fri Dec 4 09:03:51 2009 From: kyounger at gmail.com (Kenneth Younger) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 09:03:51 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Google Wave In-Reply-To: <65cdc4860911130711xc80a8d6ja52dd9a5386c268b@mail.gmail.com> References: <935ead450911130559v367a0d63h72e30c23ea4b8309@mail.gmail.com> <4AFD6CE1.7000201@eric.nu> <935ead450911130636m22ed0635k6b00aabdfe444880@mail.gmail.com> <65cdc4860911130711xc80a8d6ja52dd9a5386c268b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3cf2fb6b0912040703n5dcb75efi499551acccb1a2db@mail.gmail.com> What's you email? I can send you an invite. On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Jason Warden wrote: > I'm very excited about Wave, though I'm not using it. I put my name up > for an invitation. > Isn't there going to be some sort of Google Wave app store? That > should be really interesting: > http://thenextweb.com/appetite/2009/10/27/google-wave-app-store/ > > On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 8:36 AM, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Eric Junker wrote: > >> Jeffrey Ollie wrote: > >>> I think the usage will evolve over time, especially if independent > >>> implementations of Wave servers become a reality. > >> > >> I'm not exactly sure what it does but Novell released a product called > >> Pulse which interacts with Google Wave. > >> http://www.novell.com/products/pulse/ > >> > >> And Wave has an open protocol which should allow people create their own > >> Wave servers http://www.waveprotocol.org/ > > > > Yeah, there are lots of interesting things in the works. One of the > > more interesting things I've seen is a plugin for Jira that lets you > > use Googe Wave from inside a bug report for communication. I believe > > that there are similar tools being developed for other apps as well. > > > > -- > > Jeff Ollie > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug at cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091204/6d400445/attachment.htm From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Fri Dec 4 09:04:07 2009 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 09:04:07 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] ADMINISTRIVIA - Email List Queue Message-ID: <4B18D0880200002E0003ADA6@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> Either a bunch of you changed your email addresses and forgot to re-subscribe to the list, or the list has lost some addresses. I just went in and approved a bunch of hung messages from supposed non-list members. Might want to check your FROM and REPLY-TO addresses and make sure that they're subscribed properly. -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej at alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 From gray at cs.uni.edu Fri Dec 4 09:13:51 2009 From: gray at cs.uni.edu (Paul Gray) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 09:13:51 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] debian xorg woes In-Reply-To: <678823f00911121725n6d223f44rdaf7236c9a0f03d3@mail.gmail.com> References: <678823f00911121725n6d223f44rdaf7236c9a0f03d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B19272F.2010408@cs.uni.edu> Allen Kiddoo wrote: > I have a averatec 2200 laptop and I am trying to configure and run > debian on it and I get a resolution so high I can't use it. The > autoconfig doesn't work here is a copy of my xorg.conf file and a copy > of the xorg log. > Section "Screen" > Identifier "Default Screen" > Monitor "Configured Monitor" > EndSection > Suggestion: Change/amend the above to reflect: Section "Screen" Identifier "Default Screen" Monitor "Configured Monitor" DefaultDepth 24 SubSection "Display" Depth 24 Modes "1024x768" EndSubSection EndSection Does it work? You can also try xrandr to change modes more dynamically. -PG From timchampion at gmail.com Fri Dec 4 09:18:55 2009 From: timchampion at gmail.com (Tim Champion) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 09:18:55 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> Message-ID: <7aa1cdb20912040718w20bbd38fj155142268d00859f@mail.gmail.com> I used to have an iBook that dual booted Yellow Dog Linux and OSX. Looks to me like Yellow Dog is still supporting PPC. Don't know who else still has a PPC port. Looks like Ubuntu dropped PPC support recently. Tim Champion timchampion at gmail.com On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Lewis, Edward D wrote: > Any distro suggestions for my old 500MHZ ibook? > > Eddie Lewis > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091204/8454d57a/attachment.htm From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Fri Dec 4 09:20:20 2009 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 09:20:20 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> Message-ID: Good 'ole Debian? > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org > [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Lewis, Edward D > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 9:16 PM > To: cialug at cialug.org > Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook > > Any distro suggestions for my old 500MHZ ibook? > > Eddie Lewis > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From thiessenstuart at aol.com Fri Dec 4 09:22:37 2009 From: thiessenstuart at aol.com (Stuart Thiessen) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 09:22:37 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: <7aa1cdb20912040718w20bbd38fj155142268d00859f@mail.gmail.com> References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <7aa1cdb20912040718w20bbd38fj155142268d00859f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2FA8C773-154B-44DA-B7DF-EA5421B699B3@aol.com> I thought I saw recently that Fedora has PPC support. Stuart On Dec 4, 2009, at 09:18 , Tim Champion wrote: > I used to have an iBook that dual booted Yellow Dog Linux and OSX. > Looks to me like Yellow Dog is still supporting PPC. Don't know who > else still has a PPC port. Looks like Ubuntu dropped PPC support > recently. > > Tim Champion > timchampion at gmail.com > > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Lewis, Edward D > wrote: > Any distro suggestions for my old 500MHZ ibook? > > Eddie Lewis > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091204/ab684b53/attachment.htm From dave at dchamp.net Fri Dec 4 09:30:35 2009 From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 09:30:35 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: <2FA8C773-154B-44DA-B7DF-EA5421B699B3@aol.com> References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <7aa1cdb20912040718w20bbd38fj155142268d00859f@mail.gmail.com> <2FA8C773-154B-44DA-B7DF-EA5421B699B3@aol.com> Message-ID: <4B192B1B.9090004@dchamp.net> According to the matrix on distrowatch, openSUSE also has a PPC version. -dc Stuart Thiessen wrote: > I thought I saw recently that Fedora has PPC support. > > Stuart > > On Dec 4, 2009, at 09:18 , Tim Champion wrote: > >> I used to have an iBook that dual booted Yellow Dog Linux and OSX. >> Looks to me like Yellow Dog is still supporting PPC. Don't know who >> else still has a PPC port. Looks like Ubuntu dropped PPC support >> recently. >> >> Tim Champion >> timchampion at gmail.com >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Lewis, Edward D > > wrote: >> >> Any distro suggestions for my old 500MHZ ibook? >> >> Eddie Lewis >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug at cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug at cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > = > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From jeff at ocjtech.us Fri Dec 4 09:43:22 2009 From: jeff at ocjtech.us (Jeffrey Ollie) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 09:43:22 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: <2FA8C773-154B-44DA-B7DF-EA5421B699B3@aol.com> References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <7aa1cdb20912040718w20bbd38fj155142268d00859f@mail.gmail.com> <2FA8C773-154B-44DA-B7DF-EA5421B699B3@aol.com> Message-ID: <935ead450912040743m6ca8fce3la018c11045d4f528@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Stuart Thiessen wrote: > I thought I saw recently that Fedora has PPC support. The recently released Fedora 12 has supports PPC as a primary architecture. With the next release of Fedora PPC support is going to move to "secondary" status, but it'll be a year before Fedora 12 reaches end-of-life. Ed, what DMACC campus do you work/take classes at? If it's the Ankeny campus you could stop by my office and I'll burn you a copy of the DVD or CDs. How much memory does your ibook have? Fedora is going to want at least 512MB as far as I can remember. -- Jeff Ollie From afan at afan.net Fri Dec 4 09:43:37 2009 From: afan at afan.net (Afan Pasalic) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 09:43:37 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: <4B192B1B.9090004@dchamp.net> References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <7aa1cdb20912040718w20bbd38fj155142268d00859f@mail.gmail.com> <2FA8C773-154B-44DA-B7DF-EA5421B699B3@aol.com> <4B192B1B.9090004@dchamp.net> Message-ID: <4B192E29.4030005@afan.net> I'm also interested to test linux on my iBook (G4, 1.2 GHz, 1.25GB RAM) Is there Debian LiveCD I can test first? or openSuse LiveCD? I heard ubuntu doesn't support PPC any more, though this said different? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/9.10/release/ David Champion wrote: > According to the matrix on distrowatch, openSUSE also has a PPC version. > > -dc > > Stuart Thiessen wrote: > >> I thought I saw recently that Fedora has PPC support. >> >> Stuart >> >> On Dec 4, 2009, at 09:18 , Tim Champion wrote: >> >> >>> I used to have an iBook that dual booted Yellow Dog Linux and OSX. >>> Looks to me like Yellow Dog is still supporting PPC. Don't know who >>> else still has a PPC port. Looks like Ubuntu dropped PPC support >>> recently. >>> >>> Tim Champion >>> timchampion at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Lewis, Edward D >> > wrote: >>> >>> Any distro suggestions for my old 500MHZ ibook? >>> >>> Eddie Lewis >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Cialug mailing list >>> Cialug at cialug.org >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Cialug mailing list >>> Cialug at cialug.org >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >>> >> = >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug at cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091204/495ab9f4/attachment-0001.htm From mattnuzum at gmail.com Fri Dec 4 09:44:07 2009 From: mattnuzum at gmail.com (mattnuzum at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 15:44:07 +0000 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> Message-ID: You can still run Ubuntu on a PPC (see http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/karmic/release/ ) but you may want to go back a version or two if you have hardware struggles. Hardy SP1 and newer is available with Firefox 3.x which will give you a modern browsing experience. 2009/11/21 Lewis, Edward D > Any distro suggestions for my old 500MHZ ibook? > > Eddie Lewis > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091204/f4823043/attachment.htm From mattnuzum at gmail.com Fri Dec 4 09:47:31 2009 From: mattnuzum at gmail.com (mattnuzum at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 15:47:31 +0000 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: <4B192E29.4030005@afan.net> References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <7aa1cdb20912040718w20bbd38fj155142268d00859f@mail.gmail.com> <2FA8C773-154B-44DA-B7DF-EA5421B699B3@aol.com> <4B192B1B.9090004@dchamp.net> <4B192E29.4030005@afan.net> Message-ID: 2009/12/4 Afan Pasalic > I'm also interested to test linux on my iBook (G4, 1.2 GHz, 1.25GB RAM) > Is there Debian LiveCD I can test first? or openSuse LiveCD? > > I heard ubuntu doesn't support PPC any more, though this said different? > http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/9.10/release/ > > Volunteered releases, however there is a very active PPC community, some of whom are employed by Canonical. As a matter of fact, some of the mobile/arm team also build for modern ppc architectures as well (so I've heard). So consider it as having about the same level of support from Canonical that Fedora gets from RedHat for the PPC arch. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091204/f97de176/attachment.htm From brandongriffis at gmail.com Fri Dec 4 09:50:16 2009 From: brandongriffis at gmail.com (Brandon Griffis) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 09:50:16 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> Message-ID: <9089dcd30912040750x5f70a949p3f760a0b5041cf1@mail.gmail.com> We're about to get a macbook pro in at my office (intel based). Anything to know about putting linux on it? Does gparted work just as well for resizing the OSX partition or do I need to use something else to be safe? Does grub work on Macbooks or do I need a different boot loader? I suppose, basically, will linux install on the Macbook Pro the same as it does on any PC (HP, Dell, Toshiba) laptop running Windows or is there something to know or do differently in the process? (BTW, yes I'm looking into it online but I figure I might not search for the correct things not having installed Linux to an Intel based Mac before so if anyone has personal experience and is willing to point out any particular directions it's much appreciated) Thanks for any insight, B On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 9:44 AM, mattnuzum at gmail.com wrote: > You can still run Ubuntu on a PPC (see > http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/karmic/release/ ) but you may > want to go back a version or two if you have hardware struggles. Hardy SP1 > and newer is available with Firefox 3.x which will give you a modern > browsing experience. > > 2009/11/21 Lewis, Edward D > > Any distro suggestions for my old 500MHZ ibook? >> >> Eddie Lewis >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug at cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> > > > > -- > Matthew Nuzum > newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091204/48767d5c/attachment.htm From jeff at ocjtech.us Fri Dec 4 09:55:48 2009 From: jeff at ocjtech.us (Jeffrey Ollie) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 09:55:48 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <7aa1cdb20912040718w20bbd38fj155142268d00859f@mail.gmail.com> <2FA8C773-154B-44DA-B7DF-EA5421B699B3@aol.com> <4B192B1B.9090004@dchamp.net> <4B192E29.4030005@afan.net> Message-ID: <935ead450912040755o2691369k535fbc18575f9a40@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 9:47 AM, mattnuzum at gmail.com wrote: > > So consider it as having about the same level of support from Canonical that > Fedora gets from RedHat for the PPC arch. Until the release of Fedora 13, PPC is still an officially supported architecture by Fedora. So in theory any bugs that happen on PPC systems will get the same attention as any other bug. In reality though, unless the bug can be reproduced on an i686 or x86_64 it is going to be a lot harder to get your bug fixed because very few developers have access to PPC systems that they can use to test with. -- Jeff Ollie From adk at 52761.com Fri Dec 4 10:00:35 2009 From: adk at 52761.com (Allen Kiddoo) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 10:00:35 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] debian xorg woes In-Reply-To: <4B19272F.2010408@cs.uni.edu> References: <678823f00911121725n6d223f44rdaf7236c9a0f03d3@mail.gmail.com> <4B19272F.2010408@cs.uni.edu> Message-ID: <678823f00912040800m1f5ee1c1s955ac723e34f0299@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for tip- will give it a try. I sent this message 3 weeks ago- it just now shows up on list. Is USPS handling email now? On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Paul Gray wrote: > Allen Kiddoo wrote: >> I have a averatec 2200 laptop and I am trying to configure and run >> debian on it and I get a resolution so high I can't use it. The >> autoconfig doesn't work here is a copy of my xorg.conf file and a copy >> of the xorg log. >> Section "Screen" >> ? ? ? Identifier ? ? ?"Default Screen" >> ? ? ? Monitor ? ? ? ? "Configured Monitor" >> EndSection >> > Suggestion: > > Change/amend the above to reflect: > > Section "Screen" > ? ? ? ?Identifier ? ? ?"Default Screen" > ? ? ? ?Monitor ? ? ? ? "Configured Monitor" > ? ? ? ?DefaultDepth ? ?24 > ? ? ? ?SubSection "Display" > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Depth ? ? ? ? ? 24 > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Modes ? ? ? ? ? "1024x768" > ? ? ? ?EndSubSection > EndSection > > Does it work? > > You can also try xrandr to change modes more dynamically. > > -PG > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From newz at bearfruit.org Fri Dec 4 10:10:22 2009 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 16:10:22 +0000 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: <9089dcd30912040750x5f70a949p3f760a0b5041cf1@mail.gmail.com> References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <9089dcd30912040750x5f70a949p3f760a0b5041cf1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2009/12/4 Brandon Griffis > We're about to get a macbook pro in at my office (intel based). Anything > to know about putting linux on it? Does gparted work just as well for > resizing the OSX partition or do I need to use something else to be safe? > Does grub work on Macbooks or do I need a different boot loader? > > I suppose, basically, will linux install on the Macbook Pro the same as it > does on any PC (HP, Dell, Toshiba) laptop running Windows or is there > something to know or do differently in the process? > > I've got a macbook pro and it runs Ubuntu great. Use bootcamp to create the partition. It will name it "Windows." Ignore most of the instructions Mac OS gives you. Boot off the Ubuntu CD and isntall into the free space. When you want to reboot hold down the option key while you turn the computer on and instead of botting into Mac OS it'll prompt you to choose what partition to boot. I've heard there's somethign called ReFit (or similar) that gives you a boot menu. I've not used it since I reboot quite infrequently. There are detailed instructiosn for many models here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MactelSupportTeam/CommunityHelpPages The most important thing I know of is to have ethernet networking handy since the wifi chipset probably won't work out of the box. It uses broadcom or one of those uncommonly supported chips. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091204/a7b7d527/attachment.htm From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Fri Dec 4 10:13:53 2009 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 10:13:53 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <9089dcd30912040750x5f70a949p3f760a0b5041cf1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Do infrequent reboots mean you spend more time in MacOS or more time in Ubuntu? ;-D -Nate ________________________________ From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Nuzum Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 10:10 AM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] distro for ibook 2009/12/4 Brandon Griffis > We're about to get a macbook pro in at my office (intel based). Anything to know about putting linux on it? Does gparted work just as well for resizing the OSX partition or do I need to use something else to be safe? Does grub work on Macbooks or do I need a different boot loader? I suppose, basically, will linux install on the Macbook Pro the same as it does on any PC (HP, Dell, Toshiba) laptop running Windows or is there something to know or do differently in the process? I've got a macbook pro and it runs Ubuntu great. Use bootcamp to create the partition. It will name it "Windows." Ignore most of the instructions Mac OS gives you. Boot off the Ubuntu CD and isntall into the free space. When you want to reboot hold down the option key while you turn the computer on and instead of botting into Mac OS it'll prompt you to choose what partition to boot. I've heard there's somethign called ReFit (or similar) that gives you a boot menu. I've not used it since I reboot quite infrequently. There are detailed instructiosn for many models here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MactelSupportTeam/CommunityHelpPages The most important thing I know of is to have ethernet networking handy since the wifi chipset probably won't work out of the box. It uses broadcom or one of those uncommonly supported chips. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091204/76b4a82b/attachment-0001.htm From dave at dchamp.net Fri Dec 4 10:17:44 2009 From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:17:44 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] ADMINISTRIVIA - Email List Queue In-Reply-To: <4B18D0880200002E0003ADA6@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> References: <4B18D0880200002E0003ADA6@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: <4B193628.4070300@dchamp.net> FYI, due to the amount of spam that mailing lists receive, the people who admin it (I think that's mostly Josh on this list currently) may not catch all the "legitimate" messages that don't go through for one reason or another. As part of my request for admin help, I mentioned that we could use someone to be a mailman admin. It's a fairly non-technical job, just involves watching for bounced messages, and dealing with an occasional support request from people having trouble. So... if you do have an issue where your messages aren't going through and you can't figure out how to fix it yourself, contact the list admin and let them know about it. p.s. I'm still planning on doing some server updates, just waiting on the VM to be ready. Will send an update out on that when we're ready. -dc Josh More wrote: > Either a bunch of you changed your email addresses and forgot to > re-subscribe to the list, or the list has lost some addresses. > > I just went in and approved a bunch of hung messages from supposed > non-list members. > > Might want to check your FROM and REPLY-TO addresses and make sure that > they're subscribed properly. > > > > > -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC > morej at alliancetechnologies.net > 515-245-7701 > From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Fri Dec 4 10:21:24 2009 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 10:21:24 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] I love this list Message-ID: I wanted to say that I really enjoy this list and everyone's friendly and knowledgeable participation on it. List administration is a thankless job. So a big thank-you from me to the people who have kept it running these many years. Your efforts are appreciated - Even all that time you spend sorting the wheat from the chaff in the rejected pile. Thank you. -Nate From chapinjeff at gmail.com Fri Dec 4 10:22:30 2009 From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:22:30 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] I love this list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B193746.60903@gmail.com> I'll second this. Nathan C. Smith wrote: > I wanted to say that I really enjoy this list and everyone's friendly and knowledgeable participation on it. > > List administration is a thankless job. So a big thank-you from me to the people who have kept it running these many years. Your efforts are appreciated - Even all that time you spend sorting the wheat from the chaff in the rejected pile. Thank you. > > -Nate > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From afan at afan.net Fri Dec 4 10:31:01 2009 From: afan at afan.net (Afan Pasalic) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:31:01 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] I love this list In-Reply-To: <4B193746.60903@gmail.com> References: <4B193746.60903@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B193945.2060807@afan.net> me too! afan Jeff Chapin wrote: > I'll second this. > > Nathan C. Smith wrote: > >> I wanted to say that I really enjoy this list and everyone's friendly and knowledgeable participation on it. >> >> List administration is a thankless job. So a big thank-you from me to the people who have kept it running these many years. Your efforts are appreciated - Even all that time you spend sorting the wheat from the chaff in the rejected pile. Thank you. >> >> -Nate >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug at cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091204/7f282185/attachment.htm From cniesen at gmx.net Fri Dec 4 10:31:32 2009 From: cniesen at gmx.net (Claus) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:31:32 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Need plummer - internet pipes congested Message-ID: <4B193964.9010703@gmx.net> Since the latter half of this year my internet bandwidth became really flaky. Mainly in the evenings. Using any kind of video streaming like youtube is out of the question as I have to let it buffer up for ever before it gets viewable. Even browsing sometimes becomes a pain. Download bandwidth test do sometimes show extremely low rates while upload is just fine and dandy. Of course in the mornings, when I should be going to work everything works as expected. My own test concluded it had nothing to do with my local network. I pugged the Cisco 678 (bridging mode) directly into the phone line outside of the house and connected a laptop with my public static IP. Conclusion: Just as bad. I called Qwest customer service and the tech support wasn't very knowledgeable, backpedaling from any statement she made that could cause an issue to blaming my good old trustworthy Cisco 678. She was nice enough to schedule an appointment with a service technician that came out on a Sunday morning. Certainly not a time I have bandwidth issues. However the technician did confirm there was congestion in my neighborhood/CO. He was stating that they won't do any upgrades and instead wait until Ames gets fiber (i.e. higher than 1.5Mbps service). He was confident that this will happen by Summer 2010. Pipe dream? In any case it does not resolve my frustration I have about my network connectivity and I don't see any viable options. The only other option is Mediacom and I'm not sure we're a good fit either. I'm running my own personal servers (Email, web, DNS for personal use), I'm on Qwest's AMESIAWS CO and use Freese Notise as my ISP. Is there anything that could be done to resolve the issue with Qwest? Has Mediacom become more friendly in regards of server usage and can I get static IPs? Does Mediacom encounter the same trouble with network congestions? Thanks, Claus From newz at bearfruit.org Fri Dec 4 10:33:57 2009 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 16:33:57 +0000 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <9089dcd30912040750x5f70a949p3f760a0b5041cf1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2009/12/4 Nathan C. Smith > Do infrequent reboots mean you spend more time in MacOS or more time in > Ubuntu? ;-D > > -Nate > > Depends on the day of the week. I actually made a serious mistake and installed 64bit Ubuntu. I think if a person is a free software purist they can be just fine w/ 64 bit but I like numerous external packages (such as Adobe Air, eclipse and Sun Java) that are not happy. I've had problem after problem. I finally found that gears is already packaged for 64 bit Ubuntu which helped but I feel like I'm swimming upstream. For the last few weeks before Ubuntu 9.10 release I was in Mac OS exclusively because of these problems. Finally two weeks ago I bought a used Dell Latitude D430 on e-bay for $290. I've installed Ubuntu on it and been happily using it since then. Unfortunately I learned that my woes were related to 64bit Ubuntu because I installed the same version on the D430. I thought my problems were because of the Mac hardware but they all came over to the clean install on my Dell too. But now that I know I've worked around them long enough to be productive and next week I'll format and go back to 32bit. By the way, if anyone thinks that Mac OS or Apple is some panacea they are firmly wrong. The hardware is good - equal to business grade hardware from Lenovo and Dell (like the thinkpads and latitudes, not the crappy vostros or Inspirons/etc). Not better and to be honest, the metal case is garbage that looks good on the shelf but after a few weeks of usage is heavy, cold, scratches easily and uncomfortable for wresting your wrists on. The OS is nicer than Windows XP but it is far from bug free. It has about the same number of glitches and problems as newer versions of Ubuntu. They have good commercials and ads but people who say that Mac OS is way better than Linux either haven't used Linux (esp Ubuntu) recently or have drank a little too much of the koolaid. The biggest difference (not better necessarily) is the available/reliance on commercial ISVs. Want a nice unzip program? Pay $10. Want a screencast program? Pay $99. Want this or that? Pay, pay, pay. The cost of owning Mac OS goes up after you open the box. However, the screencast program is very good. Worth $99 imho. And there are other examples where I'd pay for a similar top-notch program if one existed for Ubuntu. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091204/548254d5/attachment.htm From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Fri Dec 4 10:34:11 2009 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 10:34:11 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Need plummer - internet pipes congested In-Reply-To: <4B193964.9010703@gmx.net> References: <4B193964.9010703@gmx.net> Message-ID: You may have other DSL provider options in Ames. -Nate > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org > [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Claus > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 10:32 AM > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > Subject: [Cialug] OT: Need plummer - internet pipes congested > > Since the latter half of this year my internet bandwidth > became really flaky. Mainly in the evenings. Using any kind > of video streaming like youtube is out of the question as I > have to let it buffer up for ever before it gets viewable. > Even browsing sometimes becomes a pain. > Download bandwidth test do sometimes show extremely low rates > while upload is just fine and dandy. Of course in the > mornings, when I should be going to work everything works as expected. > > My own test concluded it had nothing to do with my local > network. I pugged the Cisco 678 (bridging mode) directly > into the phone line outside of the house and connected a > laptop with my public static IP. > Conclusion: Just as bad. > > I called Qwest customer service and the tech support wasn't > very knowledgeable, backpedaling from any statement she made > that could cause an issue to blaming my good old trustworthy > Cisco 678. She was nice enough to schedule an appointment > with a service technician that came out on a Sunday morning. > Certainly not a time I have bandwidth issues. > However the technician did confirm there was congestion in > my neighborhood/CO. He was stating that they won't do any > upgrades and instead wait until Ames gets fiber (i.e. higher > than 1.5Mbps service). > He was confident that this will happen by Summer 2010. Pipe dream? > > In any case it does not resolve my frustration I have about > my network connectivity and I don't see any viable options. > The only other option is Mediacom and I'm not sure we're a > good fit either. > > I'm running my own personal servers (Email, web, DNS for > personal use), I'm on Qwest's AMESIAWS CO and use Freese > Notise as my ISP. > > Is there anything that could be done to resolve the issue with Qwest? > > Has Mediacom become more friendly in regards of server usage > and can I get static IPs? Does Mediacom encounter the same > trouble with network congestions? > > Thanks, > Claus > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From dave at dchamp.net Fri Dec 4 10:43:27 2009 From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:43:27 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Need plummer - internet pipes congested In-Reply-To: References: <4B193964.9010703@gmx.net> Message-ID: <4B193C2F.1060009@dchamp.net> Ditto. From a former (and never again) Qwest customer, you'll be much happier with another provider, if you can get one. -dc Nathan C. Smith wrote: > You may have other DSL provider options in Ames. > > -Nate > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org >> [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Claus >> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 10:32 AM >> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group >> Subject: [Cialug] OT: Need plummer - internet pipes congested >> >> Since the latter half of this year my internet bandwidth >> became really flaky. Mainly in the evenings. Using any kind >> of video streaming like youtube is out of the question as I >> have to let it buffer up for ever before it gets viewable. >> Even browsing sometimes becomes a pain. >> Download bandwidth test do sometimes show extremely low rates >> while upload is just fine and dandy. Of course in the >> mornings, when I should be going to work everything works as expected. >> >> My own test concluded it had nothing to do with my local >> network. I pugged the Cisco 678 (bridging mode) directly >> into the phone line outside of the house and connected a >> laptop with my public static IP. >> Conclusion: Just as bad. >> >> I called Qwest customer service and the tech support wasn't >> very knowledgeable, backpedaling from any statement she made >> that could cause an issue to blaming my good old trustworthy >> Cisco 678. She was nice enough to schedule an appointment >> with a service technician that came out on a Sunday morning. >> Certainly not a time I have bandwidth issues. >> However the technician did confirm there was congestion in >> my neighborhood/CO. He was stating that they won't do any >> upgrades and instead wait until Ames gets fiber (i.e. higher >> than 1.5Mbps service). >> He was confident that this will happen by Summer 2010. Pipe dream? >> >> In any case it does not resolve my frustration I have about >> my network connectivity and I don't see any viable options. >> The only other option is Mediacom and I'm not sure we're a >> good fit either. >> >> I'm running my own personal servers (Email, web, DNS for >> personal use), I'm on Qwest's AMESIAWS CO and use Freese >> Notise as my ISP. >> >> Is there anything that could be done to resolve the issue with Qwest? >> >> Has Mediacom become more friendly in regards of server usage >> and can I get static IPs? Does Mediacom encounter the same >> trouble with network congestions? >> >> Thanks, >> Claus >> From joshstrobl at hush.ai Fri Dec 4 11:03:09 2009 From: joshstrobl at hush.ai (joshstrobl at hush.ai) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:03:09 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Need plummer - internet pipes congested Message-ID: <20091204170310.3855328043@smtp.hushmail.com> Mediacom is equally congested. I have to download the youtube videos nowadays to watch them. Download time suffers miserably unless I connect it directly to the modem...which would make a laptop rather pointless (as I constantly take it downstairs next to my fireplace). Anyone know of any decent providers? On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:43:27 -0600 David Champion wrote: >Ditto. From a former (and never again) Qwest customer, you'll be >much >happier with another provider, if you can get one. > >-dc > >Nathan C. Smith wrote: >> You may have other DSL provider options in Ames. >> >> -Nate >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org >>> [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Claus >>> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 10:32 AM >>> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group >>> Subject: [Cialug] OT: Need plummer - internet pipes congested >>> >>> Since the latter half of this year my internet bandwidth >>> became really flaky. Mainly in the evenings. Using any kind >>> of video streaming like youtube is out of the question as I >>> have to let it buffer up for ever before it gets viewable. >>> Even browsing sometimes becomes a pain. >>> Download bandwidth test do sometimes show extremely low rates >>> while upload is just fine and dandy. Of course in the >>> mornings, when I should be going to work everything works as >expected. >>> >>> My own test concluded it had nothing to do with my local >>> network. I pugged the Cisco 678 (bridging mode) directly >>> into the phone line outside of the house and connected a >>> laptop with my public static IP. >>> Conclusion: Just as bad. >>> >>> I called Qwest customer service and the tech support wasn't >>> very knowledgeable, backpedaling from any statement she made >>> that could cause an issue to blaming my good old trustworthy >>> Cisco 678. She was nice enough to schedule an appointment >>> with a service technician that came out on a Sunday morning. >>> Certainly not a time I have bandwidth issues. >>> However the technician did confirm there was congestion in >>> my neighborhood/CO. He was stating that they won't do any >>> upgrades and instead wait until Ames gets fiber (i.e. higher >>> than 1.5Mbps service). >>> He was confident that this will happen by Summer 2010. Pipe >dream? >>> >>> In any case it does not resolve my frustration I have about >>> my network connectivity and I don't see any viable options. >>> The only other option is Mediacom and I'm not sure we're a >>> good fit either. >>> >>> I'm running my own personal servers (Email, web, DNS for >>> personal use), I'm on Qwest's AMESIAWS CO and use Freese >>> Notise as my ISP. >>> >>> Is there anything that could be done to resolve the issue with >Qwest? >>> >>> Has Mediacom become more friendly in regards of server usage >>> and can I get static IPs? Does Mediacom encounter the same >>> trouble with network congestions? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Claus >>> > >_______________________________________________ >Cialug mailing list >Cialug at cialug.org >http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Fri Dec 4 11:08:01 2009 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:08:01 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Need plummer - internet pipes congested Message-ID: <4B18ED920200002E0003ADC5@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> Internet Solver and Freese-Notis are the local Linux-friendly ISPs. They don't reach everywhere, but they're a damn sight better than the Qwests and Mediacoms of the world. I'll let Dave and Dan contact you off-list for specifics about their services. I'm just a consumer here. (Unless you want a DS3 or the like. Then my company can hook you up ;) -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej at alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 >>> 12/04/09 11:03 AM >>> Mediacom is equally congested. I have to download the youtube videos nowadays to watch them. Download time suffers miserably unless I connect it directly to the modem...which would make a laptop rather pointless (as I constantly take it downstairs next to my fireplace). Anyone know of any decent providers? On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:43:27 -0600 David Champion wrote: >Ditto. From a former (and never again) Qwest customer, you'll be >much >happier with another provider, if you can get one. > >-dc > >Nathan C. Smith wrote: >> You may have other DSL provider options in Ames. >> >> -Nate >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org >>> [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Claus >>> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 10:32 AM >>> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group >>> Subject: [Cialug] OT: Need plummer - internet pipes congested >>> >>> Since the latter half of this year my internet bandwidth >>> became really flaky. Mainly in the evenings. Using any kind >>> of video streaming like youtube is out of the question as I >>> have to let it buffer up for ever before it gets viewable. >>> Even browsing sometimes becomes a pain. >>> Download bandwidth test do sometimes show extremely low rates >>> while upload is just fine and dandy. Of course in the >>> mornings, when I should be going to work everything works as >expected. >>> >>> My own test concluded it had nothing to do with my local >>> network. I pugged the Cisco 678 (bridging mode) directly >>> into the phone line outside of the house and connected a >>> laptop with my public static IP. >>> Conclusion: Just as bad. >>> >>> I called Qwest customer service and the tech support wasn't >>> very knowledgeable, backpedaling from any statement she made >>> that could cause an issue to blaming my good old trustworthy >>> Cisco 678. She was nice enough to schedule an appointment >>> with a service technician that came out on a Sunday morning. >>> Certainly not a time I have bandwidth issues. >>> However the technician did confirm there was congestion in >>> my neighborhood/CO. He was stating that they won't do any >>> upgrades and instead wait until Ames gets fiber (i.e. higher >>> than 1.5Mbps service). >>> He was confident that this will happen by Summer 2010. Pipe >dream? >>> >>> In any case it does not resolve my frustration I have about >>> my network connectivity and I don't see any viable options. >>> The only other option is Mediacom and I'm not sure we're a >>> good fit either. >>> >>> I'm running my own personal servers (Email, web, DNS for >>> personal use), I'm on Qwest's AMESIAWS CO and use Freese >>> Notise as my ISP. >>> >>> Is there anything that could be done to resolve the issue with >Qwest? >>> >>> Has Mediacom become more friendly in regards of server usage >>> and can I get static IPs? Does Mediacom encounter the same >>> trouble with network congestions? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Claus >>> > >_______________________________________________ >Cialug mailing list >Cialug at cialug.org >http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From dave at dchamp.net Fri Dec 4 11:10:39 2009 From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:10:39 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Need plummer - internet pipes congested In-Reply-To: <20091204170310.3855328043@smtp.hushmail.com> References: <20091204170310.3855328043@smtp.hushmail.com> Message-ID: <4B19428F.4020604@dchamp.net> There are at least two DSL ISP representatives on this list: Dave Wies - http://www.internetsolver.com Dan Arthur - http://www.internet.weather.net/ They're both linux-friendly companies, and will provide you with a better experience than the big ISP's. DSL's biggest drawback is it's dependent on your location - so if you're far from your phone Central Office, you may not be able to get service. -dc joshstrobl at hush.ai wrote: > Mediacom is equally congested. I have to download the youtube > videos nowadays to watch them. Download time suffers miserably > unless I connect it directly to the modem...which would make a > laptop rather pointless (as I constantly take it downstairs next to > my fireplace). > Anyone know of any decent providers? > > On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:43:27 -0600 David Champion > wrote: > >> Ditto. From a former (and never again) Qwest customer, you'll be >> much >> happier with another provider, if you can get one. >> >> -dc >> >> Nathan C. Smith wrote: >> >>> You may have other DSL provider options in Ames. >>> >>> -Nate >>> >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org >>>> [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Claus >>>> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 10:32 AM >>>> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group >>>> Subject: [Cialug] OT: Need plummer - internet pipes congested >>>> >>>> Since the latter half of this year my internet bandwidth >>>> became really flaky. Mainly in the evenings. Using any kind >>>> of video streaming like youtube is out of the question as I >>>> have to let it buffer up for ever before it gets viewable. >>>> Even browsing sometimes becomes a pain. >>>> Download bandwidth test do sometimes show extremely low rates >>>> while upload is just fine and dandy. Of course in the >>>> mornings, when I should be going to work everything works as >>>> >> expected. >> >>>> My own test concluded it had nothing to do with my local >>>> network. I pugged the Cisco 678 (bridging mode) directly >>>> into the phone line outside of the house and connected a >>>> laptop with my public static IP. >>>> Conclusion: Just as bad. >>>> >>>> I called Qwest customer service and the tech support wasn't >>>> very knowledgeable, backpedaling from any statement she made >>>> that could cause an issue to blaming my good old trustworthy >>>> Cisco 678. She was nice enough to schedule an appointment >>>> with a service technician that came out on a Sunday morning. >>>> Certainly not a time I have bandwidth issues. >>>> However the technician did confirm there was congestion in >>>> my neighborhood/CO. He was stating that they won't do any >>>> upgrades and instead wait until Ames gets fiber (i.e. higher >>>> than 1.5Mbps service). >>>> He was confident that this will happen by Summer 2010. Pipe >>>> >> dream? >> >>>> In any case it does not resolve my frustration I have about >>>> my network connectivity and I don't see any viable options. >>>> The only other option is Mediacom and I'm not sure we're a >>>> good fit either. >>>> >>>> I'm running my own personal servers (Email, web, DNS for >>>> personal use), I'm on Qwest's AMESIAWS CO and use Freese >>>> Notise as my ISP. >>>> >>>> Is there anything that could be done to resolve the issue with >>>> >> Qwest? >> >>>> Has Mediacom become more friendly in regards of server usage >>>> and can I get static IPs? Does Mediacom encounter the same >>>> trouble with network congestions? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Claus >>>> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug at cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > From djweis at internetsolver.com Fri Dec 4 11:09:51 2009 From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:09:51 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Need plummer - internet pipes congested In-Reply-To: <20091204170310.3855328043@smtp.hushmail.com> References: <20091204170310.3855328043@smtp.hushmail.com> Message-ID: <4B19425F.8010806@internetsolver.com> It's tough in Ames because the Qwest and Mediacom facilities are so full. If you are in east Ames served by the downtown Qwest office, I would say OpenCom would be the way to go. I've got some circuits in west Ames that are working fine though and provide the full 7 megs down and 1 meg up that they should. It depends a lot on where the problem is. OTOH, if you get a hundred friends to all sign up I'll consider putting some ridiculous speed up there :-) joshstrobl at hush.ai wrote: > Mediacom is equally congested. I have to download the youtube > videos nowadays to watch them. Download time suffers miserably > unless I connect it directly to the modem...which would make a > laptop rather pointless (as I constantly take it downstairs next to > my fireplace). > Anyone know of any decent providers? > > On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:43:27 -0600 David Champion > wrote: >> Ditto. From a former (and never again) Qwest customer, you'll be >> much >> happier with another provider, if you can get one. >> >> -dc >> >> Nathan C. Smith wrote: >>> You may have other DSL provider options in Ames. >>> >>> -Nate >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org >>>> [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Claus >>>> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 10:32 AM >>>> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group >>>> Subject: [Cialug] OT: Need plummer - internet pipes congested >>>> >>>> Since the latter half of this year my internet bandwidth >>>> became really flaky. Mainly in the evenings. Using any kind >>>> of video streaming like youtube is out of the question as I >>>> have to let it buffer up for ever before it gets viewable. >>>> Even browsing sometimes becomes a pain. >>>> Download bandwidth test do sometimes show extremely low rates >>>> while upload is just fine and dandy. Of course in the >>>> mornings, when I should be going to work everything works as >> expected. >>>> My own test concluded it had nothing to do with my local >>>> network. I pugged the Cisco 678 (bridging mode) directly >>>> into the phone line outside of the house and connected a >>>> laptop with my public static IP. >>>> Conclusion: Just as bad. >>>> >>>> I called Qwest customer service and the tech support wasn't >>>> very knowledgeable, backpedaling from any statement she made >>>> that could cause an issue to blaming my good old trustworthy >>>> Cisco 678. She was nice enough to schedule an appointment >>>> with a service technician that came out on a Sunday morning. >>>> Certainly not a time I have bandwidth issues. >>>> However the technician did confirm there was congestion in >>>> my neighborhood/CO. He was stating that they won't do any >>>> upgrades and instead wait until Ames gets fiber (i.e. higher >>>> than 1.5Mbps service). >>>> He was confident that this will happen by Summer 2010. Pipe >> dream? >>>> In any case it does not resolve my frustration I have about >>>> my network connectivity and I don't see any viable options. >>>> The only other option is Mediacom and I'm not sure we're a >>>> good fit either. >>>> >>>> I'm running my own personal servers (Email, web, DNS for >>>> personal use), I'm on Qwest's AMESIAWS CO and use Freese >>>> Notise as my ISP. >>>> >>>> Is there anything that could be done to resolve the issue with >> Qwest? >>>> Has Mediacom become more friendly in regards of server usage >>>> and can I get static IPs? Does Mediacom encounter the same >>>> trouble with network congestions? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Claus >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug at cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -- Dave Weis Internet Solver Your Technology Partner 515-224-9229 www.internetsolver.com From cniesen at gmx.net Fri Dec 4 11:15:59 2009 From: cniesen at gmx.net (Claus) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:15:59 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Need plummer - internet pipes congested In-Reply-To: <4B193C2F.1060009@dchamp.net> References: <4B193964.9010703@gmx.net> <4B193C2F.1060009@dchamp.net> Message-ID: <4B1943CF.60705@gmx.net> Like who? All I'm aware of are: - Qwest (DSL) - Mediacom (Cable) - and maybe Internet Consulting Services (Wireless) I really don't know enough about them. David Champion wrote: > Ditto. From a former (and never again) Qwest customer, you'll be much > happier with another provider, if you can get one. > > -dc > > Nathan C. Smith wrote: >> You may have other DSL provider options in Ames. >> >> -Nate From cniesen at gmx.net Fri Dec 4 11:24:52 2009 From: cniesen at gmx.net (Claus) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:24:52 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Need plummer - internet pipes congested In-Reply-To: <4B18ED920200002E0003ADC5@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> References: <4B18ED920200002E0003ADC5@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: <4B1945E4.80709@gmx.net> I do have Freese-Notis as the ISP. The problem is that I still need to connect with them through Qwest. And their copper lines are congested here in west Ames. Josh More wrote: > Internet Solver and Freese-Notis are the local Linux-friendly ISPs. > They don't reach everywhere, but they're a damn sight better than the > Qwests and Mediacoms of the world. > > I'll let Dave and Dan contact you off-list for specifics about their > services. I'm just a consumer here. > > (Unless you want a DS3 or the like. Then my company can hook you up ;) > > > > -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC > morej at alliancetechnologies.net > 515-245-7701 > From cniesen at gmx.net Fri Dec 4 11:31:27 2009 From: cniesen at gmx.net (Claus) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:31:27 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Need plummer - internet pipes congested In-Reply-To: <4B19425F.8010806@internetsolver.com> References: <20091204170310.3855328043@smtp.hushmail.com> <4B19425F.8010806@internetsolver.com> Message-ID: <4B19476F.2010607@gmx.net> Dave Weis wrote: > It's tough in Ames because the Qwest and Mediacom facilities are so > full. If you are in east Ames served by the downtown Qwest office, I > would say OpenCom would be the way to go. I've got some circuits in west > Ames that are working fine though and provide the full 7 megs down and 1 > meg up that they should. It depends a lot on where the problem is. From what I can tell the problem lies with Qwest's copper/CO from 5pm to midnight or so. I'm amazed that others in west Ames get 7 megs in the evening. > OTOH, if you get a hundred friends to all sign up I'll consider putting > some ridiculous speed up there :-) I'm not popular enough to have that many friends. Maybe I need to join face book. ;) Be sure to drop me a note if you get up here. From djweis at internetsolver.com Fri Dec 4 11:38:50 2009 From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:38:50 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Need plummer - internet pipes congested In-Reply-To: <4B19476F.2010607@gmx.net> References: <20091204170310.3855328043@smtp.hushmail.com> <4B19425F.8010806@internetsolver.com> <4B19476F.2010607@gmx.net> Message-ID: <4B19492A.9040100@internetsolver.com> Claus wrote: > Dave Weis wrote: >> It's tough in Ames because the Qwest and Mediacom facilities are so >> full. If you are in east Ames served by the downtown Qwest office, I >> would say OpenCom would be the way to go. I've got some circuits in west >> Ames that are working fine though and provide the full 7 megs down and 1 >> meg up that they should. It depends a lot on where the problem is. > > From what I can tell the problem lies with Qwest's copper/CO from 5pm > to midnight or so. I'm amazed that others in west Ames get 7 megs in > the evening. Some of their network configuration is 'interesting'. I've seen a full rack of DSLAM's with a single DS-3 (45 megabits) for the uplink. Considering there are a couple hundred ports in a DSLAM and 3 or 4 of them in a rack, it's not going to be pleasant with a bunch of heavy users. >> OTOH, if you get a hundred friends to all sign up I'll consider putting >> some ridiculous speed up there :-) > > I'm not popular enough to have that many friends. Maybe I need to join > face book. ;) Be sure to drop me a note if you get up here. Haha, will do! dave -- Dave Weis Internet Solver Your Technology Partner 515-224-9229 www.internetsolver.com From cniesen at gmx.net Fri Dec 4 11:40:08 2009 From: cniesen at gmx.net (Claus) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:40:08 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Josh's download issues (was: Need plummer - internet pipes congested In-Reply-To: <20091204170310.3855328043@smtp.hushmail.com> References: <20091204170310.3855328043@smtp.hushmail.com> Message-ID: <4B194978.9020405@gmx.net> Josh, That doesn't make sense. If you have the download issues only when you're on your wireless network but not when connected directly to the cable modem then the Mediacom isn't your problem. Neither does a different ISP help you. You'll need to investigate your WLAN a bit more since that's where the problem resides. Claus joshstrobl at hush.ai wrote: > Mediacom is equally congested. I have to download the youtube > videos nowadays to watch them. Download time suffers miserably > unless I connect it directly to the modem...which would make a > laptop rather pointless (as I constantly take it downstairs next to > my fireplace). > Anyone know of any decent providers? From cniesen at gmx.net Fri Dec 4 11:51:35 2009 From: cniesen at gmx.net (Claus) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:51:35 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Need plummer - internet pipes congested In-Reply-To: <4B19492A.9040100@internetsolver.com> References: <20091204170310.3855328043@smtp.hushmail.com> <4B19425F.8010806@internetsolver.com> <4B19476F.2010607@gmx.net> <4B19492A.9040100@internetsolver.com> Message-ID: <4B194C27.4070503@gmx.net> Dave Weis wrote: > Some of their network configuration is 'interesting'. I've seen a full > rack of DSLAM's with a single DS-3 (45 megabits) for the uplink. > Considering there are a couple hundred ports in a DSLAM and 3 or 4 of > them in a rack, it's not going to be pleasant with a bunch of heavy users. If they actually run fiber to the CO would Qwest replace their DSLAMs or use the same overloaded hardware? From djweis at internetsolver.com Fri Dec 4 11:53:21 2009 From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:53:21 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Need plummer - internet pipes congested In-Reply-To: <4B194C27.4070503@gmx.net> References: <20091204170310.3855328043@smtp.hushmail.com> <4B19425F.8010806@internetsolver.com> <4B19476F.2010607@gmx.net> <4B19492A.9040100@internetsolver.com> <4B194C27.4070503@gmx.net> Message-ID: <4B194C91.9060706@internetsolver.com> Claus wrote: > Dave Weis wrote: >> Some of their network configuration is 'interesting'. I've seen a full >> rack of DSLAM's with a single DS-3 (45 megabits) for the uplink. >> Considering there are a couple hundred ports in a DSLAM and 3 or 4 of >> them in a rack, it's not going to be pleasant with a bunch of heavy users. > > If they actually run fiber to the CO would Qwest replace their DSLAMs or > use the same overloaded hardware? Inside the CO they already have fiber. It's just their choice of interface on the back of the box, either DS-3 or fiber. -- Dave Weis Internet Solver Your Technology Partner 515-224-9229 www.internetsolver.com From brandongriffis at gmail.com Fri Dec 4 13:34:55 2009 From: brandongriffis at gmail.com (Brandon Griffis) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:34:55 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <9089dcd30912040750x5f70a949p3f760a0b5041cf1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9089dcd30912041134l5852639bg10c212d1804554fb@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for the details and the link. Can't believe they expect so much $$$ for those laptops and then cheap out with things like broadcom wireless. No wonder wireless reception is kinda crappy with Macs. Good to know. On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Matthew Nuzum wrote: > 2009/12/4 Brandon Griffis > > We're about to get a macbook pro in at my office (intel based). Anything >> to know about putting linux on it? Does gparted work just as well for >> resizing the OSX partition or do I need to use something else to be safe? >> Does grub work on Macbooks or do I need a different boot loader? >> >> I suppose, basically, will linux install on the Macbook Pro the same as it >> does on any PC (HP, Dell, Toshiba) laptop running Windows or is there >> something to know or do differently in the process? >> >> > I've got a macbook pro and it runs Ubuntu great. Use bootcamp to create the > partition. It will name it "Windows." Ignore most of the instructions Mac OS > gives you. Boot off the Ubuntu CD and isntall into the free space. When you > want to reboot hold down the option key while you turn the computer on and > instead of botting into Mac OS it'll prompt you to choose what partition to > boot. > > I've heard there's somethign called ReFit (or similar) that gives you a > boot menu. I've not used it since I reboot quite infrequently. > > There are detailed instructiosn for many models here: > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MactelSupportTeam/CommunityHelpPages > > The most important thing I know of is to have ethernet networking handy > since the wifi chipset probably won't work out of the box. It uses broadcom > or one of those uncommonly supported chips. > > > -- > Matthew Nuzum > newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091204/a89f0e89/attachment.htm From dave at dchamp.net Fri Dec 4 13:48:28 2009 From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:48:28 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: <9089dcd30912041134l5852639bg10c212d1804554fb@mail.gmail.com> References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <9089dcd30912040750x5f70a949p3f760a0b5041cf1@mail.gmail.com> <9089dcd30912041134l5852639bg10c212d1804554fb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B19678C.6010306@dchamp.net> When I ordered my current laptop (a Dell D620) I was able to choose the option of an Intel wifi, over the default Dell / Broadcom wifi. Don't know if the Mac uses a mini-pci card like a lot of other laptops, but if you really didn't like it, you could look into changing your card. Of course... OSX may not like that very well. -dc Brandon Griffis wrote: > Thanks for the details and the link. Can't believe they expect so > much $$$ for those laptops and then cheap out with things like > broadcom wireless. No wonder wireless reception is kinda crappy with > Macs. Good to know. > > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Matthew Nuzum > wrote: > > 2009/12/4 Brandon Griffis > > > We're about to get a macbook pro in at my office (intel > based). Anything to know about putting linux on it? Does > gparted work just as well for resizing the OSX partition or do > I need to use something else to be safe? Does grub work on > Macbooks or do I need a different boot loader? > > I suppose, basically, will linux install on the Macbook Pro > the same as it does on any PC (HP, Dell, Toshiba) laptop > running Windows or is there something to know or do > differently in the process? > > > I've got a macbook pro and it runs Ubuntu great. Use bootcamp to > create the partition. It will name it "Windows." Ignore most of > the instructions Mac OS gives you. Boot off the Ubuntu CD and > isntall into the free space. When you want to reboot hold down the > option key while you turn the computer on and instead of botting > into Mac OS it'll prompt you to choose what partition to boot. > > I've heard there's somethign called ReFit (or similar) that gives > you a boot menu. I've not used it since I reboot quite infrequently. > > There are detailed instructiosn for many models here: > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MactelSupportTeam/CommunityHelpPages > > The most important thing I know of is to have ethernet networking > handy since the wifi chipset probably won't work out of the box. > It uses broadcom or one of those uncommonly supported chips. > > > -- > Matthew Nuzum > newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca > and twitter > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From John.Lengeling at radisys.com Fri Dec 4 13:59:36 2009 From: John.Lengeling at radisys.com (John Lengeling) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 11:59:36 -0800 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: <4B19678C.6010306@dchamp.net> References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <9089dcd30912040750x5f70a949p3f760a0b5041cf1@mail.gmail.com> <9089dcd30912041134l5852639bg10c212d1804554fb@mail.gmail.com> <4B19678C.6010306@dchamp.net> Message-ID: > When I ordered my current laptop (a Dell D620) I was able to choose the > option of an Intel wifi, over the default Dell / Broadcom wifi. FYI: I happen to have 2 x Dell Broadcomm MiniPCI Wireless cards that I scavenged from some Dell D600. I also have 2 x Dell D600s (parts) laptops available in case someone needs a keyboard/panel/mb to maintain some D600s. Also 4 x 512M SODIMM RAM for D600s. Free for rescue... johnl From djweis at internetsolver.com Fri Dec 4 14:00:52 2009 From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:00:52 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <9089dcd30912040750x5f70a949p3f760a0b5041cf1@mail.gmail.com> <9089dcd30912041134l5852639bg10c212d1804554fb@mail.gmail.com> <4B19678C.6010306@dchamp.net> Message-ID: <4B196A74.1070400@internetsolver.com> I'll take them if I was quick enough on the reply! John Lengeling wrote: >> When I ordered my current laptop (a Dell D620) I was able to choose > the >> option of an Intel wifi, over the default Dell / Broadcom wifi. > > FYI: I happen to have 2 x Dell Broadcomm MiniPCI Wireless cards that I > scavenged from some Dell D600. > > I also have 2 x Dell D600s (parts) laptops available in case someone > needs a keyboard/panel/mb to maintain some D600s. Also 4 x 512M SODIMM > RAM for D600s. > > Free for rescue... > > johnl > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -- Dave Weis Internet Solver Your Technology Partner 515-224-9229 www.internetsolver.com From John.Lengeling at radisys.com Fri Dec 4 14:03:56 2009 From: John.Lengeling at radisys.com (John Lengeling) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 12:03:56 -0800 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: <4B196A74.1070400@internetsolver.com> References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <9089dcd30912040750x5f70a949p3f760a0b5041cf1@mail.gmail.com> <9089dcd30912041134l5852639bg10c212d1804554fb@mail.gmail.com> <4B19678C.6010306@dchamp.net> <4B196A74.1070400@internetsolver.com> Message-ID: They are yours...Just wanted to try to keep them out of the dumpster and don't have the time to Feebay them... I can mail them to you or if you are still around the Beaverdale/42nd area drop it off on the way home... johnl From djweis at internetsolver.com Fri Dec 4 14:05:49 2009 From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:05:49 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <9089dcd30912040750x5f70a949p3f760a0b5041cf1@mail.gmail.com> <9089dcd30912041134l5852639bg10c212d1804554fb@mail.gmail.com> <4B19678C.6010306@dchamp.net> <4B196A74.1070400@internetsolver.com> Message-ID: <4B196B9D.5010101@internetsolver.com> John Lengeling wrote: > They are yours...Just wanted to try to keep them out of the dumpster and > don't have the time to Feebay them... > > I can mail them to you or if you are still around the Beaverdale/42nd > area drop it off on the way home... We don't own the store any more, our office is at 11308 Aurora Ave in Urbandale. I can swing over and pick them up if you would like. dave -- Dave Weis Internet Solver Your Technology Partner 515-224-9229 www.internetsolver.com From kristau at gmail.com Fri Dec 4 16:34:39 2009 From: kristau at gmail.com (kristau) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 16:34:39 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Need plummer - internet pipes congested In-Reply-To: <4B194C27.4070503@gmx.net> References: <20091204170310.3855328043@smtp.hushmail.com> <4B19425F.8010806@internetsolver.com> <4B19476F.2010607@gmx.net> <4B19492A.9040100@internetsolver.com> <4B194C27.4070503@gmx.net> Message-ID: <3effba680912041434j6b1d960bsb18e813021e9f3e6@mail.gmail.com> Claus: Have you tried contacting Frees-Notis to complain about the issue? If they feel they are losing your account, they may be able to put some pressure on Qwest to get the issue resolved. -- Tired programmer Coding late into the night The core dump follows From eddielewis003 at hotmail.com Fri Dec 4 20:52:43 2009 From: eddielewis003 at hotmail.com (Ed Lewis) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 21:52:43 -0500 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: <935ead450912040743m6ca8fce3la018c11045d4f528@mail.gmail.com> References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu>, <7aa1cdb20912040718w20bbd38fj155142268d00859f@mail.gmail.com>, <2FA8C773-154B-44DA-B7DF-EA5421B699B3@aol.com>, <935ead450912040743m6ca8fce3la018c11045d4f528@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I go to the ankeny campus. Where is your office? > Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 09:43:22 -0600 > From: jeff at ocjtech.us > To: cialug at cialug.org > Subject: Re: [Cialug] distro for ibook > > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Stuart Thiessen wrote: > > I thought I saw recently that Fedora has PPC support. > > The recently released Fedora 12 has supports PPC as a primary > architecture. With the next release of Fedora PPC support is going to > move to "secondary" status, but it'll be a year before Fedora 12 > reaches end-of-life. > > Ed, what DMACC campus do you work/take classes at? If it's the Ankeny > campus you could stop by my office and I'll burn you a copy of the DVD > or CDs. How much memory does your ibook have? Fedora is going to > want at least 512MB as far as I can remember. > > -- > Jeff Ollie > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug _________________________________________________________________ Get gifts for them and cashback for you. Try Bing now. http://www.bing.com/shopping/search?q=xbox+games&scope=cashback&form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_Shopping_Giftsforthem_cashback_1x1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091204/21d3ec6a/attachment.htm From randy.rote at gmail.com Sat Dec 5 01:56:16 2009 From: randy.rote at gmail.com (Randy Rote) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 07:56:16 +0000 Subject: [Cialug] I love this lis Message-ID: Hear! Hear! You guys do a great job keeping the group going. It can be a lot of work and it's very much appreciated. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091205/a052032a/attachment-0001.htm From alan.maupin at gmail.com Sat Dec 5 12:22:32 2009 From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 12:22:32 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Qwest and Mediacom Internet Service Advice Message-ID: <806AFC0F-8D53-48D7-8F69-BE26A38B10D6@gmail.com> I'm asking for advice for a friend on Internet service in Ankeny. It's been awhile since I've negotiated a deal and I'm not sure of what to tell her. She's been offered two deals: Qwest 7 mbps for $41 per month and Mediacom 8 mbps for $39. Since the price and download speeds are very similar what other criteria should she consider? One possible negative is the fact that Qwest requires a two year contract. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance -alan From nfox at foxmediasystems.com Sat Dec 5 17:13:43 2009 From: nfox at foxmediasystems.com (Nick Fox) Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 17:13:43 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Qwest and Mediacom Internet Service Advice In-Reply-To: <806AFC0F-8D53-48D7-8F69-BE26A38B10D6@gmail.com> References: <806AFC0F-8D53-48D7-8F69-BE26A38B10D6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B1AE927.9030603@foxmediasystems.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Basic pros/cons for DSL cable are: With DSL you pay for the bandwidth which means you don't share with your neighbors, and if needed you can get a true static IP. Qwest DSL modems all suck along with their customer service, you can however get around this by getting the ISP through Freese-Notis. Mediacom is a real pain to deal with on anything, the only real upside to cable over DSL is the fact that they don't block out the basic cable TV on the line. Otherwise Mediacom tries to insert advertising into everything and redirect search results and so on. In my opinion they both tend to have issues but for a home use it really boils down to if you plan to package deal with TV/Phone service or not. - -Nick Alan Maupin wrote: > I'm asking for advice for a friend on Internet service in Ankeny. It's been awhile since I've negotiated a deal and I'm not sure of what to tell her. She's been offered two deals: Qwest 7 mbps for $41 per month and Mediacom 8 mbps for $39. Since the price and download speeds are very similar what other criteria should she consider? One possible negative is the fact that Qwest requires a two year contract. > > Any advice would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks in advance -alan > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug - -- Nick Fox Fox Media Systems, LLC Owner / President 1338 57th St. Des Moines, IA 50311 www.foxmediasystems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAksa6ScACgkQopeNYDWxTNgkFQCfXjxXO4dX+L8LOBT0d2TZSmVH eD0AnR+6xZL4QFYH1SirPqroD7TGAc9+ =SXpm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tdwalton at gmail.com Sat Dec 5 18:44:45 2009 From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 18:44:45 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Qwest and Mediacom Internet Service Advice In-Reply-To: <806AFC0F-8D53-48D7-8F69-BE26A38B10D6@gmail.com> References: <806AFC0F-8D53-48D7-8F69-BE26A38B10D6@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Alan Maupin wrote: > I'm asking for advice for a friend on Internet service in Ankeny. ?It's been > awhile since I've negotiated a deal and I'm not sure of what to tell her. > She's been offered two deals: ? Qwest 7 mbps for $41 per month and Mediacom > 8 mbps for $39. ?Since the price and download speeds are very similar what > other criteria should she consider? ?One possible negative is the fact that > Qwest requires a two year contract. Given the otherwise comparable plans, the contract would be a definite no-go for me. Why should they get to lock you in like that? What if you don't like the service? -- Todd From icepuck2k at gmail.com Sun Dec 6 09:05:58 2009 From: icepuck2k at gmail.com (icepuck2k at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 15:05:58 +0000 Subject: [Cialug] linux on a prop Message-ID: <0016367657c9add5cc047a10ada1@google.com> Feel up to a challenge? Here's something worth reading.... http://forums.parallax.com/forums/default.aspx?f=25&m=407541 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks! dave -- Dave Weis 515-224-9229 djweis at internetsolver.com http://www.internetsolver.com/ Please check out our Complete Support Service http://www.internetsolver.com/completesupport/ From zach at kotlarek.com Sun Dec 6 14:12:14 2009 From: zach at kotlarek.com (Zachary Kotlarek) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 14:12:14 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Cross Compiling In-Reply-To: <4B1C04BB.1000606@internetsolver.com> References: <4B1C04BB.1000606@internetsolver.com> Message-ID: On Dec 6, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Dave Weis wrote: > > Can anyone give me some pointers on building an intel to ppc cross > compiler on a Fedora system? I've found some directions but most of them > are wrong/out of date. > > I was going to resurrect an old blue and white mac but it seems to not > power on. I'm sure my dell core2 would burn through source a bit faster > anyway. http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/clfs/view/1.0.0/ Zach -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm sure my dell core2 would burn through source a bit faster >> anyway. > > > http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/clfs/view/1.0.0/ I see those are also a little out-of-date (at least if you want to use newer GCC), so I should mention that modern mainline LFS also does cross-compiling -- the instructions assume that the host and target are the same architecture, but it's cross-compiling anyway, and with very minor adjustments to the stage2 target string the same system should work for a different host and target. I haven't recently tried an x86 to PPC build, but I build LFS all the time, and I've tried a couple of 64-bit -> 32-bit cross-compiles, so if you need help let me know. Zach -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2746 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091206/3d12e88a/attachment.bin From me at digitaljeff.com Sun Dec 6 14:34:52 2009 From: me at digitaljeff.com (Jeff Davis) Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 14:34:52 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Qwest and Mediacom Internet Service Advice In-Reply-To: References: <806AFC0F-8D53-48D7-8F69-BE26A38B10D6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B1C156C.2020204@digitaljeff.com> In fairness, the agreement with qwest also means that they won't raise the price on you as long as you keep that speed even beyond the 2 years. They also give you 30 days in which to terminate the service without penalty in the event that you don't like the service. YMMV, however my parents have mediacom and have all sorts of problems with it. I have had a DSL line for over a decade and can count on one hand the times I've had an outage. Regarding Nick's comment about the modems sucking: I don't really use the actiontec modem as it's in bridging mode and beyond that you can use any sort of router or WAP that pleases you. As far as that goes the actiontec sits there and does it's job and I've never had a problem with it. If you're trying to use it for anything beyond that it may very well suck. The $41/month with qwest is probably using their ISP, it will be a little more if you use a 3rd party ISP like Internet Solver / Freese Notis / Marshallnet, however using one of them for your ISP will tend to result in better service should a problem arise. So taking that into consideration it will mean a bit more than the $41 to $38 difference. It's worth mentioning again that mediacom offering you 8 meg down isn't necessarily what you'll actually get, especially if your neighbors are using it heavily at the same time you do. Though as Dave brought up that can be an issue (as in Ames,) I'm in Ankeny and I've never had that problem with my qwest DSL. This is what I'm actually getting in Ankeny with my DSL at 7meg down / 896 up. Download Speed: *6174* kbps (771.8 KB/sec transfer rate) Upload Speed: *737* kbps (92.1 KB/sec transfer rate) -Jeff Todd Walton wrote: > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Alan Maupin wrote: > >> I'm asking for advice for a friend on Internet service in Ankeny. It's been >> awhile since I've negotiated a deal and I'm not sure of what to tell her. >> She's been offered two deals: Qwest 7 mbps for $41 per month and Mediacom >> 8 mbps for $39. Since the price and download speeds are very similar what >> other criteria should she consider? One possible negative is the fact that >> Qwest requires a two year contract. >> > > Given the otherwise comparable plans, the contract would be a definite > no-go for me. Why should they get to lock you in like that? What if > you don't like the service? > > -- > Todd > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > From ken at bitsko.slc.ut.us Sun Dec 6 15:49:10 2009 From: ken at bitsko.slc.ut.us (Ken MacLeod) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 15:49:10 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Cross Compiling In-Reply-To: <4B1C04BB.1000606@internetsolver.com> References: <4B1C04BB.1000606@internetsolver.com> Message-ID: <7ee95fff0912061349m4b97f23n1d7c1d0ca821004a@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Dave Weis wrote: > Can anyone give me some pointers on building an intel to ppc cross > compiler on a Fedora system? I've found some directions but most of them > are wrong/out of date. There's also the pre-built DENX ELDK cross-compilers, http://denx.de/en/Software/WebHome -- Ken From djweis at internetsolver.com Sun Dec 6 16:21:20 2009 From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 22:21:20 +0000 Subject: [Cialug] Cross Compiling Message-ID: <1027315781-1260138092-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2082586225-@bda056.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> That looks promising just need to figure out which files. Thanks! ------Original Message------ From: Ken MacLeod Sender: cialug-bounces at cialug.org To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group ReplyTo: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] Cross Compiling Sent: Dec 6, 2009 3:49 PM On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Dave Weis wrote: > Can anyone give me some pointers on building an intel to ppc cross > compiler on a Fedora system? I've found some directions but most of them > are wrong/out of date. There's also the pre-built DENX ELDK cross-compilers, http://denx.de/en/Software/WebHome -- Ken _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From ckulish at shazam.net Mon Dec 7 06:36:25 2009 From: ckulish at shazam.net (Kulish, Chris) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 06:36:25 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Qwest and Mediacom Internet Service Advice In-Reply-To: <4B1AE927.9030603@foxmediasystems.com> References: <806AFC0F-8D53-48D7-8F69-BE26A38B10D6@gmail.com> <4B1AE927.9030603@foxmediasystems.com> Message-ID: <0EBF76EBDA01C04F8D281DE3992D43DA07123E2E@jn-exch2.Shazam.net> Another option, at least when I signed up, was to get the Qwest barebones ISP. No email, web space, etc. Saved me 5 bucks a month and, like Jeff, I can count on one hand the number of outages I've had since getting them (5-7 years or so maybe, whenever they first became available in Bondurant). -----Original Message----- From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Nick Fox Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 5:14 PM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Cc: Des Moines Mac Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] OT: Qwest and Mediacom Internet Service Advice -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Basic pros/cons for DSL cable are: With DSL you pay for the bandwidth which means you don't share with your neighbors, and if needed you can get a true static IP. Qwest DSL modems all suck along with their customer service, you can however get around this by getting the ISP through Freese-Notis. Mediacom is a real pain to deal with on anything, the only real upside to cable over DSL is the fact that they don't block out the basic cable TV on the line. Otherwise Mediacom tries to insert advertising into everything and redirect search results and so on. In my opinion they both tend to have issues but for a home use it really boils down to if you plan to package deal with TV/Phone service or not. - -Nick Alan Maupin wrote: > I'm asking for advice for a friend on Internet service in Ankeny. It's been awhile since I've negotiated a deal and I'm not sure of what to tell her. She's been offered two deals: Qwest 7 mbps for $41 per month and Mediacom 8 mbps for $39. Since the price and download speeds are very similar what other criteria should she consider? One possible negative is the fact that Qwest requires a two year contract. > > Any advice would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks in advance -alan > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug - -- Nick Fox Fox Media Systems, LLC Owner / President 1338 57th St. Des Moines, IA 50311 www.foxmediasystems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAksa6ScACgkQopeNYDWxTNgkFQCfXjxXO4dX+L8LOBT0d2TZSmVH eD0AnR+6xZL4QFYH1SirPqroD7TGAc9+ =SXpm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug Attention: This electronic document and associated attachments (if any) may contain confidential information of the sender (SHAZAM Network) and is intended solely for use by the addressee(s). 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From newz at bearfruit.org Mon Dec 7 10:04:02 2009 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 10:04:02 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Qwest and Mediacom Internet Service Advice In-Reply-To: References: <806AFC0F-8D53-48D7-8F69-BE26A38B10D6@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Todd Walton wrote: > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Alan Maupin > wrote: > > I'm asking for advice for a friend on Internet service in Ankeny. It's > been > > awhile since I've negotiated a deal and I'm not sure of what to tell her. > > She's been offered two deals: Qwest 7 mbps for $41 per month and > Mediacom > > 8 mbps for $39. Since the price and download speeds are very similar > what > > other criteria should she consider? One possible negative is the fact > that > > Qwest requires a two year contract. > > Given the otherwise comparable plans, the contract would be a definite > no-go for me. Why should they get to lock you in like that? What if > you don't like the service? > CHECK the deal with Mediacom. Is that pricing only for the first 12 months? What does the price change to after that? I try to avoid mediacom purely on the principle of their misleading advertising. I'm on qwest now and have had awesome reliability. Mediacom wasn't bad (DNS was the biggest problem and opendns solved that) but my *feeling* is that qwest has been slightly better regarding reliability. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091207/e78c86f7/attachment-0001.htm From ckulish at shazam.net Mon Dec 7 10:06:32 2009 From: ckulish at shazam.net (Kulish, Chris) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 10:06:32 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Qwest and Mediacom Internet Service Advice In-Reply-To: References: <806AFC0F-8D53-48D7-8F69-BE26A38B10D6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0EBF76EBDA01C04F8D281DE3992D43DA07123F18@jn-exch2.Shazam.net> I didn't like the fact that I couldn't run servers with Mediacom "officially". From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Nuzum Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 10:04 AM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] OT: Qwest and Mediacom Internet Service Advice On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Todd Walton wrote: On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Alan Maupin wrote: > I'm asking for advice for a friend on Internet service in Ankeny. It's been > awhile since I've negotiated a deal and I'm not sure of what to tell her. > She's been offered two deals: Qwest 7 mbps for $41 per month and Mediacom > 8 mbps for $39. Since the price and download speeds are very similar what > other criteria should she consider? One possible negative is the fact that > Qwest requires a two year contract. Given the otherwise comparable plans, the contract would be a definite no-go for me. Why should they get to lock you in like that? What if you don't like the service? CHECK the deal with Mediacom. Is that pricing only for the first 12 months? What does the price change to after that? I try to avoid mediacom purely on the principle of their misleading advertising. I'm on qwest now and have had awesome reliability. 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URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091207/cf09cc95/attachment.htm From djweis at internetsolver.com Mon Dec 7 10:36:01 2009 From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 16:36:01 +0000 Subject: [Cialug] Cross Compiling In-Reply-To: References: <1027315781-1260138092-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2082586225-@bda056.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <838569647-1260203763-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1710367561-@bda056.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I don't have a suitable ppc machine to run it on. -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Nuzum Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 10:09:13 To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] Cross Compiling _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From dave at dchamp.net Mon Dec 7 10:50:52 2009 From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 10:50:52 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Qwest and Mediacom Internet Service Advice In-Reply-To: References: <806AFC0F-8D53-48D7-8F69-BE26A38B10D6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B1D326C.5010502@dchamp.net> Matthew Nuzum wrote: > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Todd Walton > wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Alan Maupin > > wrote: > > I'm asking for advice for a friend on Internet service in > Ankeny. It's been > > awhile since I've negotiated a deal and I'm not sure of what to > tell her. > > She's been offered two deals: Qwest 7 mbps for $41 per month > and Mediacom > > 8 mbps for $39. Since the price and download speeds are very > similar what > > other criteria should she consider? One possible negative is > the fact that > > Qwest requires a two year contract. > > Given the otherwise comparable plans, the contract would be a definite > no-go for me. Why should they get to lock you in like that? What if > you don't like the service? > > > CHECK the deal with Mediacom. Is that pricing only for the first 12 > months? What does the price change to after that? > > I try to avoid mediacom purely on the principle of their misleading > advertising. I'm on qwest now and have had awesome reliability. > Mediacom wasn't bad (DNS was the biggest problem and opendns solved > that) but my *feeling* is that qwest has been slightly better > regarding reliability. All of the DSL service providers will get you roughly the same level of reliability, any of them is probably going to be better than a cable modem. The problem with Qwest is when you need customer support from someone who knows more than reading off a script, or to get your service request processed in a reasonable time, or even 2 weeks later when they took your order but didn't enter it into the service queue, or for them to not send you to a collection agency for a second voice line you didn't order (oh, that's what they did when they lost your service request!), and you never received a bill for. -dc From lvl at omnitec.net Mon Dec 7 10:55:47 2009 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 10:55:47 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Cialug] Smartphone, PDAs, & 'Syncing' Follow UP Message-ID: Continuing on the thread from a few weeks ago, I am realizing that in upgrading to a smartphone the more important question might be PIM, .. I need to also retire my Palm - while maintaining 15 years of history, of course. Andriod phones prefer Google services so the 'Cloud' is one option, but I really prefer to run our own servers, pick the OS, h/w, etc. Some of the Exchange Replacements (Zimbra, Scalix, Open-Xchange, & OSER appear to be choices), but it is not clear how well they would work with a smartphone and Evolution or Thunderbird (which would require their own Exchange Connectors for Calendar & Contacts), .. realizing also that this 'project' is not the typical SME Exchange replacment. Has anyone gone this route? With Verizon, ideally? It looks like Verizon offers 'Sync' services for Android platforms to Exchange and, of course, there's also BES [Blackberry Enterprise Server], but I'm not sure how realistic BES would be as an internal server and it's certainly not OS. TIA for any guidance, Lee From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Mon Dec 7 11:11:52 2009 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 11:11:52 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Smartphone, PDAs, & 'Syncing' Follow UP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In the world of Blackberry there are a couple proprietary synching options I am familiar with from RIM. You can synch with your desktop outlook by itself, with Exchange through BES and with Exchange suing a free BES express-style server. I'm not sure if there is an analog to the direct-to-Outlook sync for other operating systems. The Encryption used would probably be a showstopper for an open source analog though one might think they would have Macs covered by now but I haven't really looked. At one point there was a BES edition for plain SMTP, though I'm not sure if that option is still available. It seemed to be targeted at service providers but still ran on Windows servers. Notify-link may be another option and they may even have non-Windows software. I heard about this from an open-source advocate friend who also likes Novell and uses GroupWise. Some of my data has followed me from a Wizard organizer to Newton, to Palm and then to Blackberry. When I selected Blackberry it was more like Palm w/keyboard + email than what it has become today (phone etc) but it still meets the very basic needs well. -Nate > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org > [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of L. V. Lammert > Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 10:56 AM > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > Subject: [Cialug] Smartphone, PDAs, & 'Syncing' Follow UP > > Continuing on the thread from a few weeks ago, I am realizing > that in upgrading to a smartphone the more important question > might be PIM, .. > I need to also retire my Palm - while maintaining 15 years of > history, of course. > > Andriod phones prefer Google services so the 'Cloud' is one > option, but I really prefer to run our own servers, pick the > OS, h/w, etc. > > Some of the Exchange Replacements (Zimbra, Scalix, > Open-Xchange, & OSER appear to be choices), but it is not > clear how well they would work with a smartphone and > Evolution or Thunderbird (which would require their own > Exchange Connectors for Calendar & Contacts), .. realizing > also that this 'project' is not the typical SME Exchange replacment. > > Has anyone gone this route? With Verizon, ideally? It looks > like Verizon offers 'Sync' services for Android platforms to > Exchange and, of course, there's also BES [Blackberry > Enterprise Server], but I'm not sure how realistic BES would > be as an internal server and it's certainly not OS. > > TIA for any guidance, > > Lee > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From newz at bearfruit.org Mon Dec 7 11:17:12 2009 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 11:17:12 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Qwest and Mediacom Internet Service Advice In-Reply-To: <4B1D326C.5010502@dchamp.net> References: <806AFC0F-8D53-48D7-8F69-BE26A38B10D6@gmail.com> <4B1D326C.5010502@dchamp.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 10:50 AM, David Champion wrote: > The problem with Qwest is when you need customer support from someone > who knows more than reading off a script, or to get your service request > processed in a reasonable time, or even 2 weeks later when they took > your order but didn't enter it into the service queue, or for them to > not send you to a collection agency for a second voice line you didn't > order (oh, that's what they did when they lost your service request!), > and you never received a bill for. > Well, a funny story about that... When I first signed up with Qwest I had a problem. I told the person right off the bat that I was experienced at managing networks and that I tried all the obvious stuff. He kindly skipped the usual dumb questions and we went right to the deeper stuff like reading signal strengths, and etc. After a good bit of frustration and not finding an answer he said we should back up and go through the basics again. Turns out that I had entered a password into the modem wrong and that had we done the basics first we'd have fixed it rather quickly. :-) Anyway, I'm pretty happy w/ their support. I've only called a few times and most of them had spectacular results. One time I got the kid who could only read from the script but we eventually got the problem solved (my dsl modem died). -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091207/0fc3d62a/attachment.htm From tim_linux at wilson-home.com Mon Dec 7 11:20:40 2009 From: tim_linux at wilson-home.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 11:20:40 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Qwest and Mediacom Internet Service Advice In-Reply-To: <4B1D326C.5010502@dchamp.net> References: <806AFC0F-8D53-48D7-8F69-BE26A38B10D6@gmail.com> <4B1D326C.5010502@dchamp.net> Message-ID: <5a9568c20912070920w69a49c58pf66b6393146e2f24@mail.gmail.com> I've had DSL service for several years, and I am quite happy with it. The only complaint that I have is my modem seems to be having issues. I have to reset it every couple of weeks because we experience slowness of loading of pages. I currently have my line through Qwest, and my ISP is Internet Solver. Hopefully soon, everything will be through Internet Solver. Before DSL, I had Mediacom, and had lots of outages. To be fair, the last outage could have been caused by my ancient modem. I will say, for everyday surfing, DSL and cable modem seem to be the same. The one place I noticed a difference is when downloading large files. Unfortunately, the DSL I can get is slower in that aspect. Of course, I'm only getting 1.5mb versus the 7 I could probably get through Mediacom. When the switchover to Internet Solver is complete, I should get closer to 3mb. The other thing to consider is upload speed. In the world of "Web 2.0", there's a lot of information getting sent back and forth. So upload speed is getting more important. It's still not as important as download speed, but it is a factor to consider. Before I switched from Mediacom to DSL, I was getting 3mb download and (I think) 128kb upload on cable. On DSL, my download was half that, but my upload was double. So the general surfing didn't seem to slow down. Yeah, the data coming back from the server came down slower, but my request to the server got there quicker, so it seemed to be a wash, or at least, not very noticeable. And I didn't have all those outages! On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 10:50 AM, David Champion wrote: > Matthew Nuzum wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Todd Walton > > wrote: > > > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Alan Maupin > > > wrote: > > > I'm asking for advice for a friend on Internet service in > > Ankeny. It's been > > > awhile since I've negotiated a deal and I'm not sure of what to > > tell her. > > > She's been offered two deals: Qwest 7 mbps for $41 per month > > and Mediacom > > > 8 mbps for $39. Since the price and download speeds are very > > similar what > > > other criteria should she consider? One possible negative is > > the fact that > > > Qwest requires a two year contract. > > > > Given the otherwise comparable plans, the contract would be a > definite > > no-go for me. Why should they get to lock you in like that? What if > > you don't like the service? > > > > > > CHECK the deal with Mediacom. Is that pricing only for the first 12 > > months? What does the price change to after that? > > > > I try to avoid mediacom purely on the principle of their misleading > > advertising. I'm on qwest now and have had awesome reliability. > > Mediacom wasn't bad (DNS was the biggest problem and opendns solved > > that) but my *feeling* is that qwest has been slightly better > > regarding reliability. > > All of the DSL service providers will get you roughly the same level of > reliability, any of them is probably going to be better than a cable modem. > > The problem with Qwest is when you need customer support from someone > who knows more than reading off a script, or to get your service request > processed in a reasonable time, or even 2 weeks later when they took > your order but didn't enter it into the service queue, or for them to > not send you to a collection agency for a second voice line you didn't > order (oh, that's what they did when they lost your service request!), > and you never received a bill for. > > -dc > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -- Tim Required reading: http://bccplease.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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When I selected Blackberry it was more like Palm >w/keyboard + email than what it has become today (phone etc) but it still >meets the very basic needs well. What would be used for a server? I have not seen any good 'stores' [servers] - neither BES nor Exchange tools are OS; and Groupwise, while not OS at least RUNS on Linux seems to be NRFPT. Lee From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Mon Dec 7 11:23:33 2009 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 11:23:33 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Qwest and Mediacom Internet Service Advice In-Reply-To: References: <806AFC0F-8D53-48D7-8F69-BE26A38B10D6@gmail.com> <4B1D326C.5010502@dchamp.net> Message-ID: " Turns out that I had entered a password into the modem wrong and that had we done the basics first we'd have fixed it rather quickly. :-) " " Anyway, I'm pretty happy w/ their support. I've only called a few times and most of them had spectacular results. One time I got the kid who could only read from the script but we eventually got the problem solved (my dsl modem died). " I usually just take a few deep calming breaths and follow their lead because I'm not above making a basic mistake and I realize the more I know the more ignorant I become. If they tell me to blow on the router, turn it around 3 times and plug it back in I would still do it, fully realizing it was silly, but keeping a holistic optimism engaged until we reached another level of support. I draw the line somewhere before chicken blood though. -Nate -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The kid at qwest said that they think the Motorolla modems are the best but locally I could only find the Actiontec. Still, after replacing the modem the internet has been perfect. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091207/93418406/attachment.htm From ka_klick at mac.com Mon Dec 7 14:07:58 2009 From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 14:07:58 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <9089dcd30912040750x5f70a949p3f760a0b5041cf1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm sure that's the way you feel, and that's fine and all, but there are a couple things I feel I should point out about this mini-rant: Unzip (and zip) is a function built into the OS. Just double click on it and it'll unzip for you. Are there paid alternatives that add features? Yes. Do you need them to be able to unzip a program? No. iirc, the zip and unzip commands present on Linux are also available on the default install command line (though it might only be if you install the dev tools). I could be wrong on this point, but even if they are missing, that brings me to point 2: Installing Mac Ports brings a vast majority of the set of F/OSS tools to you via the simple command "port install " (much like apt-get) and if you really want apt-get, use fink. Either way, you have both the F/OSS toolset and the proprietary toolset that you can pay for, it's all your option. I tend to prefer doing both in one OS. I also have certain tools that just aren't available to me on any other OS that are essential parts of my workflow, so it's my choice. I will admit, that it's been a long time since I really gave Linux a shot on the desktop, but for me, I've been quite happy with the balance that OSX gives me. Is it perfect? Hell no. Is Linux? On Dec 4, 2009, at 10:33 AM, Matthew Nuzum wrote: > The OS is nicer than Windows XP but it is far from bug free. It has > about the same number of glitches and problems as newer versions of > Ubuntu. They have good commercials and ads but people who say that > Mac OS is way better than Linux either haven't used Linux (esp > Ubuntu) recently or have drank a little too much of the koolaid. > > The biggest difference (not better necessarily) is the available/ > reliance on commercial ISVs. Want a nice unzip program? Pay $10. > Want a screencast program? Pay $99. Want this or that? Pay, pay, > pay. The cost of owning Mac OS goes up after you open the box. > However, the screencast program is very good. Worth $99 imho. And > there are other examples where I'd pay for a similar top-notch > program if one existed for Ubuntu. -- Bryan "ka-klick" Baker Singer/Songwriter ka-klick at ka-klick.com http://ka-klick.com http://twitter.com/ka_klick <-- Twitter Feed From dave at dchamp.net Mon Dec 7 16:08:36 2009 From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:08:36 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <9089dcd30912040750x5f70a949p3f760a0b5041cf1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B1D7CE4.8000704@dchamp.net> The same could be said for just about any OS... like with Windows, there's an included zip / unzip function, but it's very rudimentary. I use 7zip, but a lot of Windows people pay money for something like WinZIP. The Mac OS update pricing is more expensive than Windows - if you add up everything. I know you're comparing Apples to... whatever Windows is... but... The Linux desktop experience has changed a lot in recent years. IMHO, KDE4.x is really nice, try it out with one of the live CD's like Kubuntu or Mandriva One. I don't like Gnome personally, so someone else can talk about that, but from what I've seen it's pretty good as well. I understand that some people like Mac better, and Bryan knows I love to rib him about it... ;) I do find it interesting that a lot of F/OSS people use a Mac... -dc Bryan Baker wrote: > I'm sure that's the way you feel, and that's fine and all, but there > are a couple things I feel I should point out about this mini-rant: > > Unzip (and zip) is a function built into the OS. Just double click on > it and it'll unzip for you. Are there paid alternatives that add > features? Yes. Do you need them to be able to unzip a program? No. > iirc, the zip and unzip commands present on Linux are also available > on the default install command line (though it might only be if you > install the dev tools). I could be wrong on this point, but even if > they are missing, that brings me to point 2: > > Installing Mac Ports brings a vast majority of the set of F/OSS tools > to you via the simple command "port install " (much like apt-get) > and if you really want apt-get, use fink. Either way, you have both > the F/OSS toolset and the proprietary toolset that you can pay for, > it's all your option. I tend to prefer doing both in one OS. > > I also have certain tools that just aren't available to me on any > other OS that are essential parts of my workflow, so it's my choice. > > I will admit, that it's been a long time since I really gave Linux a > shot on the desktop, but for me, I've been quite happy with the > balance that OSX gives me. Is it perfect? Hell no. Is Linux? > > On Dec 4, 2009, at 10:33 AM, Matthew Nuzum wrote: > >> The OS is nicer than Windows XP but it is far from bug free. It has >> about the same number of glitches and problems as newer versions of >> Ubuntu. They have good commercials and ads but people who say that >> Mac OS is way better than Linux either haven't used Linux (esp >> Ubuntu) recently or have drank a little too much of the koolaid. >> >> The biggest difference (not better necessarily) is the available/ >> reliance on commercial ISVs. Want a nice unzip program? Pay $10. >> Want a screencast program? Pay $99. Want this or that? Pay, pay, >> pay. The cost of owning Mac OS goes up after you open the box. >> However, the screencast program is very good. Worth $99 imho. And >> there are other examples where I'd pay for a similar top-notch >> program if one existed for Ubuntu. >> From timchampion at gmail.com Mon Dec 7 19:42:10 2009 From: timchampion at gmail.com (Tim Champion) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:42:10 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: <4B1D7CE4.8000704@dchamp.net> References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <9089dcd30912040750x5f70a949p3f760a0b5041cf1@mail.gmail.com> <4B1D7CE4.8000704@dchamp.net> Message-ID: <7aa1cdb20912071742g2b59cf01g382561b6eb136d80@mail.gmail.com> "I do find it interesting that a lot of F/OSS people use a Mac..." That's because the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Or, Linux isn't Windows, and neither is a Mac. Also Mac OSX is very Unix-y, and so is Linux. Tim Champion timchampion at gmail.com On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 4:08 PM, David Champion wrote: > The same could be said for just about any OS... like with Windows, > there's an included zip / unzip function, but it's very rudimentary. I > use 7zip, but a lot of Windows people pay money for something like WinZIP. > > The Mac OS update pricing is more expensive than Windows - if you add up > everything. I know you're comparing Apples to... whatever Windows is... > but... > > The Linux desktop experience has changed a lot in recent years. IMHO, > KDE4.x is really nice, try it out with one of the live CD's like Kubuntu > or Mandriva One. I don't like Gnome personally, so someone else can talk > about that, but from what I've seen it's pretty good as well. > > I understand that some people like Mac better, and Bryan knows I love to > rib him about it... ;) I do find it interesting that a lot of F/OSS > people use a Mac... > > -dc > > Bryan Baker wrote: > > I'm sure that's the way you feel, and that's fine and all, but there > > are a couple things I feel I should point out about this mini-rant: > > > > Unzip (and zip) is a function built into the OS. Just double click on > > it and it'll unzip for you. Are there paid alternatives that add > > features? Yes. Do you need them to be able to unzip a program? No. > > iirc, the zip and unzip commands present on Linux are also available > > on the default install command line (though it might only be if you > > install the dev tools). I could be wrong on this point, but even if > > they are missing, that brings me to point 2: > > > > Installing Mac Ports brings a vast majority of the set of F/OSS tools > > to you via the simple command "port install " (much like apt-get) > > and if you really want apt-get, use fink. Either way, you have both > > the F/OSS toolset and the proprietary toolset that you can pay for, > > it's all your option. I tend to prefer doing both in one OS. > > > > I also have certain tools that just aren't available to me on any > > other OS that are essential parts of my workflow, so it's my choice. > > > > I will admit, that it's been a long time since I really gave Linux a > > shot on the desktop, but for me, I've been quite happy with the > > balance that OSX gives me. Is it perfect? Hell no. Is Linux? > > > > On Dec 4, 2009, at 10:33 AM, Matthew Nuzum wrote: > > > >> The OS is nicer than Windows XP but it is far from bug free. It has > >> about the same number of glitches and problems as newer versions of > >> Ubuntu. They have good commercials and ads but people who say that > >> Mac OS is way better than Linux either haven't used Linux (esp > >> Ubuntu) recently or have drank a little too much of the koolaid. > >> > >> The biggest difference (not better necessarily) is the available/ > >> reliance on commercial ISVs. Want a nice unzip program? Pay $10. > >> Want a screencast program? Pay $99. Want this or that? Pay, pay, > >> pay. The cost of owning Mac OS goes up after you open the box. > >> However, the screencast program is very good. Worth $99 imho. And > >> there are other examples where I'd pay for a similar top-notch > >> program if one existed for Ubuntu. > >> > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091207/7c2c8688/attachment.htm From aaron.korver at gmail.com Mon Dec 7 21:49:09 2009 From: aaron.korver at gmail.com (Aaron Korver) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 21:49:09 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Qwest and Mediacom Internet Service Advice In-Reply-To: References: <806AFC0F-8D53-48D7-8F69-BE26A38B10D6@gmail.com> <4B1D326C.5010502@dchamp.net> <5a9568c20912070920w69a49c58pf66b6393146e2f24@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Okay, I'll throw my two bits into this discussion. I had Mediacom for about 4 years at my current location (Polk City). I would have multiple outages, and the speed was terrible from about 3:30 (when kids got home from school) until about 9:00 (kids going to bed?). After a two day long outage, I got tired of it and switched to Qwest, and the MSN ISP. I've been with them for 1.5 years now, and I've had one outage during that time. The only "bad" thing was trying to set my modem to bridge mode. That was a pain, but once I figured that out, I have zero complaints about Qwest's service. I was able to lock in the price at $19.99 a month for as long as I'm a customer. Count me a happy Qwest customer. Aaron Korver On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Matthew Nuzum wrote: > On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Tim Wilson wrote: > >> I've had DSL service for several years, and I am quite happy with it. The >> only complaint that I have is my modem seems to be having issues. I have to >> reset it every couple of weeks because we experience slowness of loading of >> pages. >> >> > This is exactly the same problem that I mentioned to in my other email > where I needed to replace my modem. It got worse and worse until finally one > day it died completely. The kid at qwest said that they think the Motorolla > modems are the best but locally I could only find the Actiontec. Still, > after replacing the modem the internet has been perfect. > > > -- > Matthew Nuzum > newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091207/b3b1d883/attachment.htm From joshstrobl at hush.ai Tue Dec 8 06:30:08 2009 From: joshstrobl at hush.ai (joshstrobl at hush.ai) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 06:30:08 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Qwest and Mediacom Internet Service Advice Message-ID: <20091208123008.7EB952803F@smtp.hushmail.com> I also have noticed my speed drop considerably when others are using it. Do you recommend switch to Qwest? My grandfather has Qwest and its the fastest internet (besides T1) that I have ever used on a computer...or so it seemed. On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:49:09 -0600 Aaron Korver wrote: >Okay, I'll throw my two bits into this discussion. I had Mediacom >for about >4 years at my current location (Polk City). I would have multiple >outages, >and the speed was terrible from about 3:30 (when kids got home >from school) >until about 9:00 (kids going to bed?). After a two day long >outage, I got >tired of it and switched to Qwest, and the MSN ISP. I've been >with them for >1.5 years now, and I've had one outage during that time. The only >"bad" >thing was trying to set my modem to bridge mode. That was a pain, >but once >I figured that out, I have zero complaints about Qwest's service. >I was >able to lock in the price at $19.99 a month for as long as I'm a >customer. >Count me a happy Qwest customer. > >Aaron Korver > >On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Matthew Nuzum > wrote: > >> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Tim Wilson home.com>wrote: >> >>> I've had DSL service for several years, and I am quite happy >with it. The >>> only complaint that I have is my modem seems to be having >issues. I have to >>> reset it every couple of weeks because we experience slowness >of loading of >>> pages. >>> >>> >> This is exactly the same problem that I mentioned to in my other >email >> where I needed to replace my modem. It got worse and worse until >finally one >> day it died completely. The kid at qwest said that they think >the Motorolla >> modems are the best but locally I could only find the Actiontec. >Still, >> after replacing the modem the internet has been perfect. >> >> >> -- >> Matthew Nuzum >> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug at cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> >> From djweis at internetsolver.com Tue Dec 8 07:58:34 2009 From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 07:58:34 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Qwest and Mediacom Internet Service Advice In-Reply-To: <20091208123008.7EB952803F@smtp.hushmail.com> References: <20091208123008.7EB952803F@smtp.hushmail.com> Message-ID: <4B1E5B8A.2070906@internetsolver.com> joshstrobl at hush.ai wrote: > I also have noticed my speed drop considerably when others are > using it. Do you recommend switch to Qwest? My grandfather has > Qwest and its the fastest internet (besides T1) that I have ever > used on a computer...or so it seemed. Compared to modern cable and DSL speeds, a T1 isn't really fast. It's consistent and reliable but only 1.5 megabits each way. dave -- Dave Weis Internet Solver Your Technology Partner 515-224-9229 www.internetsolver.com From dave at 58ghz.net Tue Dec 8 08:14:39 2009 From: dave at 58ghz.net (Dave Hala Jr) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 08:14:39 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Qwest and Mediacom Internet Service Advice In-Reply-To: <20091208123008.7EB952803F@smtp.hushmail.com> References: <20091208123008.7EB952803F@smtp.hushmail.com> Message-ID: <1260281679.2631.15.camel@localcentos5> I've had both Mediacom and Qwest DSL. Like most of the others, I've found Qwest to more "usable" (reliable,faster?) than Mediacom. However, be advised that if you get a "naked" DSL line (without dialtone) that repair service will not have the same priority as a line with dialtone. Generally this means they will fix it within 48-72hrs, which can be a real pita. I happen to live on the edge of town, on gravel road about 2 miles from the CO. A service tech swapped the middle part of my circuit into a different circuit to avoid some load coils, so its a little messy when its repair time. Secondly, I usually have a reduced speed after a heavy rain and I've never been able to get it fixed. It generally goes away after about 48 hrs. :) Dave On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 06:30 -0600, joshstrobl at hush.ai wrote: > I also have noticed my speed drop considerably when others are > using it. Do you recommend switch to Qwest? My grandfather has > Qwest and its the fastest internet (besides T1) that I have ever > used on a computer...or so it seemed. > > On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:49:09 -0600 Aaron Korver > wrote: > >Okay, I'll throw my two bits into this discussion. I had Mediacom > >for about > >4 years at my current location (Polk City). I would have multiple > >outages, > >and the speed was terrible from about 3:30 (when kids got home > >from school) > >until about 9:00 (kids going to bed?). After a two day long > >outage, I got > >tired of it and switched to Qwest, and the MSN ISP. I've been > >with them for > >1.5 years now, and I've had one outage during that time. The only > >"bad" > >thing was trying to set my modem to bridge mode. That was a pain, > >but once > >I figured that out, I have zero complaints about Qwest's service. > >I was > >able to lock in the price at $19.99 a month for as long as I'm a > >customer. > >Count me a happy Qwest customer. > > > >Aaron Korver > > > >On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Matthew Nuzum > > wrote: > tremondous> > >> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Tim Wilson >home.com>wrote: > >> > >>> I've had DSL service for several years, and I am quite happy > >with it. The > >>> only complaint that I have is my modem seems to be having > >issues. I have to > >>> reset it every couple of weeks because we experience slowness > >of loading of > >>> pages. > >>> > >>> > >> This is exactly the same problem that I mentioned to in my other > >email > >> where I needed to replace my modem. It got worse and worse until > >finally one > >> day it died completely. The kid at qwest said that they think > >the Motorolla > >> modems are the best but locally I could only find the Actiontec. > >Still, > >> after replacing the modem the internet has been perfect. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Matthew Nuzum > >> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Cialug mailing list > >> Cialug at cialug.org > >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From dave at 58ghz.net Tue Dec 8 08:29:04 2009 From: dave at 58ghz.net (Dave Hala Jr) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 08:29:04 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Qwest and Mediacom Internet Service Advice In-Reply-To: <4B1E5B8A.2070906@internetsolver.com> References: <20091208123008.7EB952803F@smtp.hushmail.com> <4B1E5B8A.2070906@internetsolver.com> Message-ID: <1260282544.2631.27.camel@localcentos5> My DSL is running 1.5/640 on a good day. I could use the t-1 1.5mb upstream bandwidth, and I'd switch to it for the increased reliability, but it would quadruple my cost. The Qwest service tech says my line will support 7mb, but I can't get the office to give it to me, and I'm thinking that with the rain issue it probably wouldn't be a good idea anyway. I've considered doing a point to point to my ISP using some commercial NLOS 900 mhz equipment, but again, I can't justify the cost. In another 2 years, I'll need more bandwidth, so I'll have to look at it then. ) Dave On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 07:58 -0600, Dave Weis wrote: > joshstrobl at hush.ai wrote: > > I also have noticed my speed drop considerably when others are > > using it. Do you recommend switch to Qwest? My grandfather has > > Qwest and its the fastest internet (besides T1) that I have ever > > used on a computer...or so it seemed. > > Compared to modern cable and DSL speeds, a T1 isn't really fast. It's > consistent and reliable but only 1.5 megabits each way. > > dave > > From ckulish at shazam.net Tue Dec 8 08:25:15 2009 From: ckulish at shazam.net (Kulish, Chris) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:25:15 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Qwest and Mediacom Internet Service Advice In-Reply-To: <1260282544.2631.27.camel@localcentos5> References: <20091208123008.7EB952803F@smtp.hushmail.com><4B1E5B8A.2070906@internetsolver.com> <1260282544.2631.27.camel@localcentos5> Message-ID: <0EBF76EBDA01C04F8D281DE3992D43DA0712417C@jn-exch2.Shazam.net> I just talked to a Qwest rep yesterday. Apparently they have FTTN in some parts of Altoona? -----Original Message----- From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Dave Hala Jr Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 8:29 AM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] OT: Qwest and Mediacom Internet Service Advice My DSL is running 1.5/640 on a good day. I could use the t-1 1.5mb upstream bandwidth, and I'd switch to it for the increased reliability, but it would quadruple my cost. The Qwest service tech says my line will support 7mb, but I can't get the office to give it to me, and I'm thinking that with the rain issue it probably wouldn't be a good idea anyway. I've considered doing a point to point to my ISP using some commercial NLOS 900 mhz equipment, but again, I can't justify the cost. In another 2 years, I'll need more bandwidth, so I'll have to look at it then. ) Dave On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 07:58 -0600, Dave Weis wrote: > joshstrobl at hush.ai wrote: > > I also have noticed my speed drop considerably when others are > > using it. Do you recommend switch to Qwest? My grandfather has > > Qwest and its the fastest internet (besides T1) that I have ever > > used on a computer...or so it seemed. > > Compared to modern cable and DSL speeds, a T1 isn't really fast. It's > consistent and reliable but only 1.5 megabits each way. > > dave > > _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug Attention: This electronic document and associated attachments (if any) may contain confidential information of the sender (SHAZAM Network) and is intended solely for use by the addressee(s). Review by unintended individuals is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient: (i) do not read, transmit, copy, disclose, store, or utilize this communication in any manner; (ii) please reply to the sender immediately, state that you received it in error and permanently delete this message and any attachment(s) from your computer and destroy the material in its entirety if in hard copy format. If you are the intended recipient, please use discretion in any email reply to ensure that you do not send confidential information as we cannot secure it through this medium. By responding to us through internet e-mail, you agree to hold SHAZAM, Inc. and all affiliated companies harmless for any unintentional dissemination of information contained in your message. Thank you. From lvl at omnitec.net Tue Dec 8 09:02:05 2009 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:02:05 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Cialug] OT: Qwest and Mediacom Internet Service Advice In-Reply-To: <1260282544.2631.27.camel@localcentos5> References: <20091208123008.7EB952803F@smtp.hushmail.com> <4B1E5B8A.2070906@internetsolver.com> <1260282544.2631.27.camel@localcentos5> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Dec 2009, Dave Hala Jr wrote: > My DSL is running 1.5/640 on a good day. I could use the t-1 1.5mb > upstream bandwidth, and I'd switch to it for the increased reliability, > but it would quadruple my cost. > Assuming you're running servers, we recommend most folks on DSL not run 'revenue' servers, .. neither the upstream bandwidth nor the reliability supports a 24/7 server environment. If you're limited to DSL, I would highly recommend signing with one of the hundred different COLO shops - most offer a dedicated server for about $100/mo, .. and with some of the new Cloud servers coming online (check out contegix.com here in St. Louis - you can get a VM on a production server with 100GB of bandwidth for $25/mo!) it actually doesn't make sense to run server or two in your own shop. Of course, when you have 20+ on the racks, a couple of T1s can be easily justified. Lee From dave at 58ghz.net Tue Dec 8 09:25:12 2009 From: dave at 58ghz.net (Dave Hala Jr) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:25:12 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Qwest and Mediacom Internet Service Advice In-Reply-To: References: <20091208123008.7EB952803F@smtp.hushmail.com> <4B1E5B8A.2070906@internetsolver.com> <1260282544.2631.27.camel@localcent os5> Message-ID: <1260285912.2631.41.camel@localcentos5> Actually, I don't run servers from home. I do my development work from home and access my servers from my home office. I believe there are couple of others on this list that do the same. I'd have to have to some type of redundant connection and a service guarantee, as well as more bandwidth, before I would have servers here at home. I already have the backup power and an underground concrete bunker to house them in. My server's are Colo'ed, and in my case it makes sense to Colo and maintain a half dozen of my servers. Paying a $100 a month for a VM with a generic config running on a stripped down bargain basement rack server that I have no control over isn't gonna cut it. I'm not anti-colo shop, I'm not anti-VM, I think they are good things. Its just not well suited for what I'm doing. :) Dave On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 09:02 -0600, L. V. Lammert wrote: > On Tue, 8 Dec 2009, Dave Hala Jr wrote: > > > My DSL is running 1.5/640 on a good day. I could use the t-1 1.5mb > > upstream bandwidth, and I'd switch to it for the increased reliability, > > but it would quadruple my cost. > > > Assuming you're running servers, we recommend most folks on DSL not run > 'revenue' servers, .. neither the upstream bandwidth nor the reliability > supports a 24/7 server environment. > > If you're limited to DSL, I would highly recommend signing with one of the > hundred different COLO shops - most offer a dedicated server for about > $100/mo, .. and with some of the new Cloud servers coming online (check > out contegix.com here in St. Louis - you can get a VM on a production > server with 100GB of bandwidth for $25/mo!) it actually doesn't make sense > to run server or two in your own shop. > > Of course, when you have 20+ on the racks, a couple of T1s can be easily > justified. > > Lee > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From newz at bearfruit.org Tue Dec 8 09:34:09 2009 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:34:09 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: <7aa1cdb20912071742g2b59cf01g382561b6eb136d80@mail.gmail.com> References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <9089dcd30912040750x5f70a949p3f760a0b5041cf1@mail.gmail.com> <4B1D7CE4.8000704@dchamp.net> <7aa1cdb20912071742g2b59cf01g382561b6eb136d80@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Tim Champion wrote: > "I do find it interesting that a lot of F/OSS > people use a Mac..." > > That's because the enemy of my enemy is my friend. > Or, Linux isn't Windows, and neither is a Mac. This is a popular mis-conception. Apple is totally Microsoft, just with a shiny outer shell. They're absolutely bent on market domination using any method possible. I'm in danger of another rant here so I'll just leave it at that. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 09:34 -0600, Matthew Nuzum wrote: > On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Tim Champion > wrote: > "I do find it interesting that a lot of F/OSS > people use a Mac..." > > > That's because the enemy of my enemy is my friend. > Or, Linux isn't Windows, and neither is a Mac. > > This is a popular mis-conception. Apple is totally Microsoft, just > with a shiny outer shell. They're absolutely bent on market domination > using any method possible. > > I'm in danger of another rant here so I'll just leave it at that. > > -- > Matthew Nuzum > newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Tue Dec 8 09:41:18 2009 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:41:18 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <9089dcd30912040750x5f70a949p3f760a0b5041cf1@mail.gmail.com> <4B1D7CE4.8000704@dchamp.net> <7aa1cdb20912071742g2b59cf01g382561b6eb136d80@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: And Google is too for that matter. ________________________________ From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Nuzum Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 9:34 AM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] distro for ibook On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Tim Champion > wrote: "I do find it interesting that a lot of F/OSS people use a Mac..." That's because the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Or, Linux isn't Windows, and neither is a Mac. This is a popular mis-conception. Apple is totally Microsoft, just with a shiny outer shell. They're absolutely bent on market domination using any method possible. I'm in danger of another rant here so I'll just leave it at that. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091208/c0cf20e2/attachment-0001.htm From afan at afan.net Tue Dec 8 09:46:57 2009 From: afan at afan.net (Afan Pasalic) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:46:57 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <9089dcd30912040750x5f70a949p3f760a0b5041cf1@mail.gmail.com> <4B1D7CE4.8000704@dchamp.net> <7aa1cdb20912071742g2b59cf01g382561b6eb136d80@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B1E74F1.3090604@afan.net> One thing is not clear to me. Is there REALLY good readon why apple computers are so expensive? quality i hardware can't be the answer because the same hardware configuration with Win is at least 30% less, some times more then 50%. them cheapest macbook is $999. I bought toshiba laptop few months ago for $550 with, I think, superior hardware. if macbook was $600 or $650 I would buy the one. but to pay $400 apple logo on compuer? c'mon... I think with these prices apple will never reach more then 10% of market share. more often I think they play "noble product" game. only "special people" (rich?) can have it. lice cadillac or mercedes or porsche... afan Matthew Nuzum wrote: > On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Tim Champion > wrote: > > "I do find it interesting that a lot of F/OSS > people use a Mac..." > > That's because the enemy of my enemy is my friend. > Or, Linux isn't Windows, and neither is a Mac. > > > This is a popular mis-conception. Apple is totally Microsoft, just > with a shiny outer shell. They're absolutely bent on market domination > using any method possible. > > I'm in danger of another rant here so I'll just leave it at that. > > -- > Matthew Nuzum > newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca > and twitter > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091208/ac3f6842/attachment.htm From newz at bearfruit.org Tue Dec 8 09:48:04 2009 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:48:04 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Qwest and Mediacom Internet Service Advice In-Reply-To: <20091208123008.7EB952803F@smtp.hushmail.com> References: <20091208123008.7EB952803F@smtp.hushmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 6:30 AM, wrote: > I also have noticed my speed drop considerably when others are > using it. Do you recommend switch to Qwest? My grandfather has > Qwest and its the fastest internet (besides T1) that I have ever > used on a computer...or so it seemed. > If you switch from Cable to DSL then you can count on your teeth being straighter (and whiter!), your or your s/o's bust line being fuller and your waistline slimmer. It won't necessarily make all of your internet problems better though. In other words, YMMV. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091208/47d8eed7/attachment.htm From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Tue Dec 8 09:50:05 2009 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:50:05 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: <4B1E74F1.3090604@afan.net> References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <9089dcd30912040750x5f70a949p3f760a0b5041cf1@mail.gmail.com> <4B1D7CE4.8000704@dchamp.net> <7aa1cdb20912071742g2b59cf01g382561b6eb136d80@mail.gmail.com> <4B1E74F1.3090604@afan.net> Message-ID: I heard from somebody, so this is unverified, that Apple try to achieve a 30% margin on most of their products. Maybe it is a rumor but the price of a Mac laptop versus an HP or Lenovo might support it. In these days of crazy-low margins on electronics, the cool-factor must be what differentiates Apple. -Nate ________________________________ From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Afan Pasalic Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 9:47 AM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] distro for ibook One thing is not clear to me. Is there REALLY good readon why apple computers are so expensive? quality i hardware can't be the answer because the same hardware configuration with Win is at least 30% less, some times more then 50%. them cheapest macbook is $999. I bought toshiba laptop few months ago for $550 with, I think, superior hardware. if macbook was $600 or $650 I would buy the one. but to pay $400 apple logo on compuer? c'mon... I think with these prices apple will never reach more then 10% of market share. more often I think they play "noble product" game. only "special people" (rich?) can have it. lice cadillac or mercedes or porsche... afan Matthew Nuzum wrote: On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Tim Champion > wrote: "I do find it interesting that a lot of F/OSS people use a Mac..." That's because the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Or, Linux isn't Windows, and neither is a Mac. This is a popular mis-conception. Apple is totally Microsoft, just with a shiny outer shell. They're absolutely bent on market domination using any method possible. I'm in danger of another rant here so I'll just leave it at that. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter ________________________________ _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091208/9e3ee47b/attachment.htm From afan at afan.net Tue Dec 8 09:51:09 2009 From: afan at afan.net (Afan Pasalic) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:51:09 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: <4B1E74F1.3090604@afan.net> References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <9089dcd30912040750x5f70a949p3f760a0b5041cf1@mail.gmail.com> <4B1D7CE4.8000704@dchamp.net> <7aa1cdb20912071742g2b59cf01g382561b6eb136d80@mail.gmail.com> <4B1E74F1.3090604@afan.net> Message-ID: <4B1E75ED.4010601@afan.net> I should read before I hit the send button :-) one thing is not clear to me. Is there REALLY good reason why apple computers are soooo expensive? hardware quality can't be the answer because the same hardware configuration with Win on it is at least 30% less, some times more then 50% less. the cheapest macbook now is $999. I bought toshiba laptop few months ago for $550 with, I think, superior hardware. if macbook was $600 or $650 I would buy a one. but to pay $400 apple logo on compuer? c'mon... I think with these prices Apple will never reach more then 10% of market share. more often I think they play kind of "noble product" game. only "special people" (rich?) can have it. lice cadillac or mercedes or porsche... afan Afan Pasalic wrote: > One thing is not clear to me. Is there REALLY good readon why apple > computers are so expensive? quality i hardware can't be the answer > because the same hardware configuration with Win is at least 30% less, > some times more then 50%. > > them cheapest macbook is $999. I bought toshiba laptop few months ago > for $550 with, I think, superior hardware. if macbook was $600 or $650 > I would buy the one. but to pay $400 apple logo on compuer? c'mon... > > I think with these prices apple will never reach more then 10% of > market share. more often I think they play "noble product" game. only > "special people" (rich?) can have it. lice cadillac or mercedes or > porsche... > > afan > > > Matthew Nuzum wrote: >> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Tim Champion > > wrote: >> >> "I do find it interesting that a lot of F/OSS >> people use a Mac..." >> >> That's because the enemy of my enemy is my friend. >> Or, Linux isn't Windows, and neither is a Mac. >> >> >> This is a popular mis-conception. Apple is totally Microsoft, just >> with a shiny outer shell. They're absolutely bent on market >> domination using any method possible. >> >> I'm in danger of another rant here so I'll just leave it at that. >> >> -- >> Matthew Nuzum >> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca >> and twitter >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug at cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091208/79ef1bde/attachment.htm From djweis at internetsolver.com Tue Dec 8 09:51:46 2009 From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:51:46 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Qwest and Mediacom Internet Service Advice In-Reply-To: References: <20091208123008.7EB952803F@smtp.hushmail.com> Message-ID: <4B1E7612.20007@internetsolver.com> Matthew Nuzum wrote: > On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 6:30 AM, > wrote: > > I also have noticed my speed drop considerably when others are > using it. Do you recommend switch to Qwest? My grandfather has > Qwest and its the fastest internet (besides T1) that I have ever > used on a computer...or so it seemed. > > If you switch from Cable to DSL then you can count on your teeth being > straighter (and whiter!), your or your s/o's bust line being fuller and > your waistline slimmer. My wife switched us to DSL and it's definitely increased my bust. > It won't necessarily make all of your internet problems better though. > In other words, YMMV. We get an occasional switcher whose machine is so horked up that it's surprising they can get anything to work and think different service will fix their computer. -- Dave Weis 515-224-9229 djweis at internetsolver.com http://www.internetsolver.com/ Please check out our Complete Support Service http://www.internetsolver.com/completesupport/ From newz at bearfruit.org Tue Dec 8 09:52:15 2009 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:52:15 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: <4B1E74F1.3090604@afan.net> References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <9089dcd30912040750x5f70a949p3f760a0b5041cf1@mail.gmail.com> <4B1D7CE4.8000704@dchamp.net> <7aa1cdb20912071742g2b59cf01g382561b6eb136d80@mail.gmail.com> <4B1E74F1.3090604@afan.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Afan Pasalic wrote: > One thing is not clear to me. Is there REALLY good readon why apple > computers are so expensive? quality i hardware can't be the answer because > the same hardware configuration with Win is at least 30% less, some times > more then 50%. > > All of the business grade laptops are more expensive than the consumer oriented ones you find at Best Buy. I've owned Thinkpad, Latitude and Apple computers and they have comparable (very high) build quality and are near in price. Check out http://www.bearfruit.org/blog/2009/06/11/mac-cheaper-than-dell for a detailed breakdown. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091208/0cda8d87/attachment.htm From lvl at omnitec.net Tue Dec 8 09:54:15 2009 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:54:15 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: <4B1E74F1.3090604@afan.net> References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <9089dcd30912040750x5f70a949p3f760a0b5041cf1@mail.gmail.com> <4B1D7CE4.8000704@dchamp.net> <7aa1cdb20912071742g2b59cf01g382561b6eb136d80@mail.gmail.com> <4B1E74F1.3090604@afan.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Dec 2009, Afan Pasalic wrote: > One thing is not clear to me. Is there REALLY good readon why apple > computers are so expensive? quality i hardware can't be the answer > because the same hardware configuration with Win is at least 30% less, > some times more then 50%. > Sure! THEY control the user experience COMPLETELY. Hardware, Software, Media, Markets, .. they're much worse then the 'Establishment' in Orwell's 1984. > them cheapest macbook is $999. I bought toshiba laptop few months ago > for $550 with, I think, superior hardware. if macbook was $600 or $650 I > would buy the one. but to pay $400 apple logo on compuer? c'mon... > Apple is a closed architecture, PCs are open. Apple is just better at marketing than IBM was with the PS2. > I think with these prices apple will never reach more then 10% of market > share. more often I think they play "noble product" game. only "special > people" (rich?) can have it. lice cadillac or mercedes or porsche... > Why? They have the market they want - anyone who cares about software freedom is **NOT** an Apple fan. Lee -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From djweis at internetsolver.com Tue Dec 8 09:55:14 2009 From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:55:14 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: <4B1E75ED.4010601@afan.net> References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <9089dcd30912040750x5f70a949p3f760a0b5041cf1@mail.gmail.com> <4B1D7CE4.8000704@dchamp.net> <7aa1cdb20912071742g2b59cf01g382561b6eb136d80@mail.gmail.com> <4B1E74F1.3090604@afan.net> <4B1E75ED.4010601@afan.net> Message-ID: <4B1E76E2.3040503@internetsolver.com> Afan Pasalic wrote: > I should read before I hit the send button :-) > one thing is not clear to me. Is there REALLY good reason why apple > computers are soooo expensive? hardware quality can't be the answer > because the same hardware configuration with Win on it is at least 30% > less, some times more then 50% less. > > the cheapest macbook now is $999. I bought toshiba laptop few months ago > for $550 with, I think, superior hardware. if macbook was $600 or $650 I > would buy a one. but to pay $400 apple logo on compuer? c'mon... > > I think with these prices Apple will never reach more then 10% of market > share. more often I think they play kind of "noble product" game. only > "special people" (rich?) can have it. lice cadillac or mercedes or > porsche... Let's say it costs $100 to build a specific computer. If you sell the computer for $110 you will net $10 and sell 1000 of them. Your net profit is $10,000. If you sell it for $200 you will net $100 profit per machine and sell 200 of them. Your net profit is $20,000. Which business do you want to operate? dave -- Dave Weis 515-224-9229 djweis at internetsolver.com http://www.internetsolver.com/ Please check out our Complete Support Service http://www.internetsolver.com/completesupport/ From zach at kotlarek.com Tue Dec 8 10:01:42 2009 From: zach at kotlarek.com (Zachary Kotlarek) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:01:42 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: <4B1E75ED.4010601@afan.net> References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <9089dcd30912040750x5f70a949p3f760a0b5041cf1@mail.gmail.com> <4B1D7CE4.8000704@dchamp.net> <7aa1cdb20912071742g2b59cf01g382561b6eb136d80@mail.gmail.com> <4B1E74F1.3090604@afan.net> <4B1E75ED.4010601@afan.net> Message-ID: <427D0EA5-DBD3-4843-8B12-D283ADBF2782@kotlarek.com> On Dec 8, 2009, at 9:51 AM, Afan Pasalic wrote: > the cheapest macbook now is $999. I bought toshiba laptop few months ago for $550 with, I think, superior hardware. if macbook was $600 or $650 I would buy a one. but to pay $400 apple logo on compuer? c'mon... > > I think with these prices Apple will never reach more then 10% of market share. more often I think they play kind of "noble product" game. only "special people" (rich?) can have it. lice cadillac or mercedes or porsche... You're trying to buy a cheap computer. That's not what Apple sells. If that's what you want to buy you should stay away. Full stop. Apple has virtually no interest in the sub-$1k market -- they'd be happy to let someone else clean up those low-margin sales, because selling in that market only dilutes their high-margin sales and luxury branding. That's why the only sub-$1k machine Apple has sold recently (the Mac Mini) is underpowered, overpriced, and never gets updates or ad time. Apple's prices on more expensive machines are much more competitive. 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Is there REALLY good reason why apple >> computers are soooo expensive? hardware quality can't be the answer >> because the same hardware configuration with Win on it is at least 30% >> less, some times more then 50% less. >> >> the cheapest macbook now is $999. I bought toshiba laptop few months ago >> for $550 with, I think, superior hardware. if macbook was $600 or $650 I >> would buy a one. but to pay $400 apple logo on compuer? c'mon... >> >> I think with these prices Apple will never reach more then 10% of market >> share. more often I think they play kind of "noble product" game. only >> "special people" (rich?) can have it. lice cadillac or mercedes or >> porsche... >> > > Let's say it costs $100 to build a specific computer. If you sell the > computer for $110 you will net $10 and sell 1000 of them. Your net > profit is $10,000. If you sell it for $200 you will net $100 profit per > machine and sell 200 of them. Your net profit is $20,000. Which business > do you want to operate? > > dave I got it. but, with $110 you have 1000 clients they pay for upgrade/update/maintain, comparing to 200 clients if you sell $200 a piece, right? and, if the market is 10,000, with 1000 you have 10% of market. with 200 you have 2%. and, why then HP, Lenovo, Ford, Nike are not doing the same? :-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They're in a deep vertical market, MS is in a (more or less) horizontal one. Both are valid, but great success in one often precludes success in the other. -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej at alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 >>> Afan Pasalic 12/8/2009 10:05 AM >>> Dave Weis wrote: > Afan Pasalic wrote: > >> I should read before I hit the send button :-) >> one thing is not clear to me. Is there REALLY good reason why apple >> computers are soooo expensive? hardware quality can't be the answer >> because the same hardware configuration with Win on it is at least 30% >> less, some times more then 50% less. >> >> the cheapest macbook now is $999. I bought toshiba laptop few months ago >> for $550 with, I think, superior hardware. if macbook was $600 or $650 I >> would buy a one. but to pay $400 apple logo on compuer? c'mon... >> >> I think with these prices Apple will never reach more then 10% of market >> share. more often I think they play kind of "noble product" game. only >> "special people" (rich?) can have it. lice cadillac or mercedes or >> porsche... >> > > Let's say it costs $100 to build a specific computer. If you sell the > computer for $110 you will net $10 and sell 1000 of them. Your net > profit is $10,000. If you sell it for $200 you will net $100 profit per > machine and sell 200 of them. Your net profit is $20,000. Which business > do you want to operate? > > dave I got it. but, with $110 you have 1000 clients they pay for upgrade/update/maintain, comparing to 200 clients if you sell $200 a piece, right? and, if the market is 10,000, with 1000 you have 10% of market. with 200 you have 2%. and, why then HP, Lenovo, Ford, Nike are not doing the same? :-) From afan at afan.net Tue Dec 8 10:12:25 2009 From: afan at afan.net (Afan Pasalic) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:12:25 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: <427D0EA5-DBD3-4843-8B12-D283ADBF2782@kotlarek.com> References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <9089dcd30912040750x5f70a949p3f760a0b5041cf1@mail.gmail.com> <4B1D7CE4.8000704@dchamp.net> <7aa1cdb20912071742g2b59cf01g382561b6eb136d80@mail.gmail.com> <4B1E74F1.3090604@afan.net> <4B1E75ED.4010601@afan.net> <427D0EA5-DBD3-4843-8B12-D283ADBF2782@kotlarek.com> Message-ID: <4B1E7AE9.9010800@afan.net> Zachary Kotlarek wrote: > On Dec 8, 2009, at 9:51 AM, Afan Pasalic wrote: > > >> the cheapest macbook now is $999. I bought toshiba laptop few months ago for $550 with, I think, superior hardware. if macbook was $600 or $650 I would buy a one. but to pay $400 apple logo on compuer? c'mon... >> >> I think with these prices Apple will never reach more then 10% of market share. more often I think they play kind of "noble product" game. only "special people" (rich?) can have it. lice cadillac or mercedes or porsche... >> > > > You're trying to buy a cheap computer. That's not what Apple sells. If that's what you want to buy you should stay away. Full stop. > > Apple has virtually no interest in the sub-$1k market -- they'd be happy to let someone else clean up those low-margin sales, because selling in that market only dilutes their high-margin sales and luxury branding. That's why the only sub-$1k machine Apple has sold recently (the Mac Mini) is underpowered, overpriced, and never gets updates or ad time. > > Apple's prices on more expensive machines are much more competitive. But margins are much higher across the industry when you're selling $2.5k machines, so that's not surprising. > > Zach ok. got it. more clear now. but, do you agree that you pay apple brand much more then HP or Thinkpad brand? apple has bigger price (few percentile) because it is "in trend"? and plus they have better marketing then others (few more percentile bigger price)? :-) (ubuntu made me spoild!) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 10:05 -0600, Afan Pasalic wrote: > > > Dave Weis wrote: > > Afan Pasalic wrote: > > > > > I should read before I hit the send button :-) > > > one thing is not clear to me. Is there REALLY good reason why apple > > > computers are soooo expensive? hardware quality can't be the answer > > > because the same hardware configuration with Win on it is at least 30% > > > less, some times more then 50% less. > > > > > > the cheapest macbook now is $999. I bought toshiba laptop few months ago > > > for $550 with, I think, superior hardware. if macbook was $600 or $650 I > > > would buy a one. but to pay $400 apple logo on compuer? c'mon... > > > > > > I think with these prices Apple will never reach more then 10% of market > > > share. more often I think they play kind of "noble product" game. only > > > "special people" (rich?) can have it. lice cadillac or mercedes or > > > porsche... > > > > > > > Let's say it costs $100 to build a specific computer. If you sell the > > computer for $110 you will net $10 and sell 1000 of them. Your net > > profit is $10,000. If you sell it for $200 you will net $100 profit per > > machine and sell 200 of them. Your net profit is $20,000. Which business > > do you want to operate? > > > > dave > I got it. but, with $110 you have 1000 clients they pay for > upgrade/update/maintain, comparing to 200 clients if you sell $200 a > piece, right? > and, if the market is 10,000, with 1000 you have 10% of market. with > 200 you have 2%. > > and, why then HP, Lenovo, Ford, Nike are not doing the same? > > :-) > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From afan at afan.net Tue Dec 8 10:14:52 2009 From: afan at afan.net (Afan Pasalic) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:14:52 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: <1260289061.2631.48.camel@localcentos5> References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <9089dcd30912040750x5f70a949p3f760a0b5041cf1@mail.gmail.com> <4B1D7CE4.8000704@dchamp.net> <7aa1cdb20912071742g2b59cf01g382561b6eb136d80@mail.gmail.com> <4B1E74F1.3090604@afan.net> <4B1E75ED.4010601@afan.net> <4B1E76E2.3040503@internetsolver.com> <4B1E7937.1070701@afan.net> <1260289061.2631.48.camel@localcentos5> Message-ID: <4B1E7B7C.8030208@afan.net> anybody on my side? any support? :-) afan Dave Hala Jr wrote: > Lenovo, HP etc., have a differant product. They just sell hardware and > load whatever MS has on their product. > > Apple sells a "package" and that product is the sum of the Mac OS *and* > the hardware. > > > On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 10:05 -0600, Afan Pasalic wrote: > >> Dave Weis wrote: >> >>> Afan Pasalic wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I should read before I hit the send button :-) >>>> one thing is not clear to me. Is there REALLY good reason why apple >>>> computers are soooo expensive? hardware quality can't be the answer >>>> because the same hardware configuration with Win on it is at least 30% >>>> less, some times more then 50% less. >>>> >>>> the cheapest macbook now is $999. I bought toshiba laptop few months ago >>>> for $550 with, I think, superior hardware. if macbook was $600 or $650 I >>>> would buy a one. but to pay $400 apple logo on compuer? c'mon... >>>> >>>> I think with these prices Apple will never reach more then 10% of market >>>> share. more often I think they play kind of "noble product" game. only >>>> "special people" (rich?) can have it. lice cadillac or mercedes or >>>> porsche... >>>> >>>> >>> Let's say it costs $100 to build a specific computer. If you sell the >>> computer for $110 you will net $10 and sell 1000 of them. Your net >>> profit is $10,000. If you sell it for $200 you will net $100 profit per >>> machine and sell 200 of them. Your net profit is $20,000. Which business >>> do you want to operate? >>> >>> dave >>> >> I got it. but, with $110 you have 1000 clients they pay for >> upgrade/update/maintain, comparing to 200 clients if you sell $200 a >> piece, right? >> and, if the market is 10,000, with 1000 you have 10% of market. with >> 200 you have 2%. >> >> and, why then HP, Lenovo, Ford, Nike are not doing the same? >> >> :-) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug at cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091208/2eb042f5/attachment.htm From djweis at internetsolver.com Tue Dec 8 10:17:42 2009 From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:17:42 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: <4B1E7937.1070701@afan.net> References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <9089dcd30912040750x5f70a949p3f760a0b5041cf1@mail.gmail.com> <4B1D7CE4.8000704@dchamp.net> <7aa1cdb20912071742g2b59cf01g382561b6eb136d80@mail.gmail.com> <4B1E74F1.3090604@afan.net> <4B1E75ED.4010601@afan.net> <4B1E76E2.3040503@internetsolver.com> <4B1E7937.1070701@afan.net> Message-ID: <4B1E7C26.9000201@internetsolver.com> Afan Pasalic wrote: > Dave Weis wrote: >> Afan Pasalic wrote: >>> I should read before I hit the send button :-) >>> one thing is not clear to me. Is there REALLY good reason why apple >>> computers are soooo expensive? hardware quality can't be the answer >>> because the same hardware configuration with Win on it is at least 30% >>> less, some times more then 50% less. >>> >>> the cheapest macbook now is $999. I bought toshiba laptop few months ago >>> for $550 with, I think, superior hardware. if macbook was $600 or $650 I >>> would buy a one. but to pay $400 apple logo on compuer? c'mon... >>> >>> I think with these prices Apple will never reach more then 10% of market >>> share. more often I think they play kind of "noble product" game. only >>> "special people" (rich?) can have it. lice cadillac or mercedes or >>> porsche... >>> >> >> Let's say it costs $100 to build a specific computer. If you sell the >> computer for $110 you will net $10 and sell 1000 of them. Your net >> profit is $10,000. If you sell it for $200 you will net $100 profit per >> machine and sell 200 of them. Your net profit is $20,000. Which business >> do you want to operate? > I got it. but, with $110 you have 1000 clients they pay for > upgrade/update/maintain, comparing to 200 clients if you sell $200 a > piece, right? > and, if the market is 10,000, with 1000 you have 10% of market. with 200 > you have 2%. Market share is something that people with poor margins care more about. If you want to upgrade your Apple software, you buy it from Apple or by the time you are done, you've paid Apple for it in some way. A lot (not all) of the important software you use on your machine is from Apple. They get paid on a lot of what you buy. Also, I just saw a message from Josh that mentions people buying iPods, iPhones, etc. You might have lower market share but you have 100% wallet share of the market share you do have. > and, why then HP, Lenovo, Ford, Nike are not doing the same? Steve Jobs invented it first. ;-) dave -- Dave Weis 515-224-9229 djweis at internetsolver.com http://www.internetsolver.com/ Please check out our Complete Support Service http://www.internetsolver.com/completesupport/ From dave at dchamp.net Tue Dec 8 10:25:30 2009 From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:25:30 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: <1260289061.2631.48.camel@localcentos5> References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <9089dcd30912040750x5f70a949p3f760a0b5041cf1@mail.gmail.com> <4B1D7CE4.8000704@dchamp.net> <7aa1cdb20912071742g2b59cf01g382561b6eb136d80@mail.gmail.com> <4B1E74F1.3090604@afan.net> <4B1E75ED.4010601@afan.net> <4B1E76E2.3040503@internetsolver.com> <4B1E7937.1070701@afan.net> <1260289061.2631.48.camel@localcentos5> Message-ID: <4B1E7DFA.3040100@dchamp.net> Didn't mean start any holy wars, I should have known better... ;) I don't mean to say that anyone has to choose sides, or that any one OS is better for everyone than another. As a user of a niche operating system, and a niche distro within that, I understand that not everyone wants the same thing. Apple has it's niche, and that's fine for the people that like it. I was just commenting that it seems like there's a lot of crossover with F/OSS people, which I find ironic since Apple fiercely defends their properties - not a very "free" or "open" attitude. -dc From lvl at omnitec.net Tue Dec 8 10:27:11 2009 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:27:11 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: <4B1E7B7C.8030208@afan.net> References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <9089dcd30912040750x5f70a949p3f760a0b5041cf1@mail.gmail.com> <4B1D7CE4.8000704@dchamp.net> <7aa1cdb20912071742g2b59cf01g382561b6eb136d80@mail.gmail.com> <4B1E74F1.3090604@afan.net> <4B1E75ED.4010601@afan.net> <4B1E76E2.3040503@internetsolver.com> <4B1E7937.1070701@afan.net> <1260289061.2631.48.camel@localcentos5> <4B1E7B7C.8030208@afan.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Dec 2009, Afan Pasalic wrote: > anybody on my side? any support? > > :-) > > afan > Sorry, looked like a question to me, .. Apple HW is closed, PC HW is open - that's the reason for the HW price difference. Beyond that, Apple locks all users into their market space, while a PC user is free to choose whatever SW and products they want to use. That's the reality of the market, .. Apple is king in 'Vertical', MS is king in 'Horizontal'; Apple is Closed, at least MS runs on Open HW so the rest of us that DO pursue Open/Free SW can take advantage of the HW market they create and have BOTH Open HW AND Open SW. Le -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From zach at kotlarek.com Tue Dec 8 10:32:31 2009 From: zach at kotlarek.com (Zachary Kotlarek) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:32:31 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: <4B1E7AE9.9010800@afan.net> References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <9089dcd30912040750x5f70a949p3f760a0b5041cf1@mail.gmail.com> <4B1D7CE4.8000704@dchamp.net> <7aa1cdb20912071742g2b59cf01g382561b6eb136d80@mail.gmail.com> <4B1E74F1.3090604@afan.net> <4B1E75ED.4010601@afan.net> <427D0EA5-DBD3-4843-8B12-D283ADBF2782@kotlarek.com> <4B1E7AE9.9010800@afan.net> Message-ID: On Dec 8, 2009, at 10:12 AM, Afan Pasalic wrote: > ok. got it. more clear now. > but, do you agree that you pay apple brand much more then HP or Thinkpad brand? apple has bigger price (few percentile) because it is "in trend"? and plus they have better marketing then others (few more percentile bigger price)? Absolutely. People buying low-end Apple machines pay more than you would to get the same hardware from someone else. You also get some other things with that, which may or may not make up the difference for you; obviously for some people it does. For example, a license and the requisite hardware to legally run OS X. A shiny Apple logo (and stickers). Case design that matches their high-end products. Really nice packaging (seriously, Apple has some very nice boxes). But in general I agree -- Apple is not competitive on price at the low end of their lineup, and at least some people pay the difference just for the branding. Zach -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2746 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091208/fe5eb1c4/attachment-0001.bin From lvl at omnitec.net Tue Dec 8 10:32:41 2009 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:32:41 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: <4B1E7DFA.3040100@dchamp.net> References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <9089dcd30912040750x5f70a949p3f760a0b5041cf1@mail.gmail.com> <4B1D7CE4.8000704@dchamp.net> <7aa1cdb20912071742g2b59cf01g382561b6eb136d80@mail.gmail.com> <4B1E74F1.3090604@afan.net> <4B1E75ED.4010601@afan.net> <4B1E76E2.3040503@internetsolver.com> <4B1E7937.1070701@afan.net> <1260289061.2631.48.camel@localcentos5> <4B1E7DFA.3040100@dchamp.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Dec 2009, David Champion wrote: > Apple has it's niche, and that's fine for the people that like it. I was > just commenting that it seems like there's a lot of crossover with F/OSS > people, which I find ironic since Apple fiercely defends their > properties - not a very "free" or "open" attitude. > You're not alone - that's a dichotomy that concerns me also! The fact that Apple runs their propietary SW on a Free host (BSD) just muddies the waters; I, for one, cannot understand why an advocate of Free Software would ever touch 'that stuff'. YMMV, however, .. as most Apple fans I know take the position that "I'm willing to pay more for less worry about the stuff I don't care about". The rest of us grab the best HW from the PC world and load our favorite Distro on it - the only sad part is that we still have to pay a Microshaft tax, but it's so small that it's really just a decision by the HW vendor to pay part of THEIR profits to the Redmond Mosque. Lee From zach at kotlarek.com Tue Dec 8 10:51:12 2009 From: zach at kotlarek.com (Zachary Kotlarek) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:51:12 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <9089dcd30912040750x5f70a949p3f760a0b5041cf1@mail.gmail.com> <4B1D7CE4.8000704@dchamp.net> <7aa1cdb20912071742g2b59cf01g382561b6eb136d80@mail.gmail.com> <4B1E74F1.3090604@afan.net> <4B1E75ED.4010601@afan.net> <4B1E76E2.3040503@internetsolver.com> <4B1E7937.1070701@afan.net> <1260289061.2631.48.camel@localcentos5> <4B1E7DFA.3040100@dchamp.net> Message-ID: <7FF9AAA6-48E4-4FF1-B98C-21456765CFE1@kotlarek.com> On Dec 8, 2009, at 10:32 AM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > You're not alone - that's a dichotomy that concerns me also! The fact that > Apple runs their propietary SW on a Free host (BSD) just muddies the > waters; I, for one, cannot understand why an advocate of Free Software > would ever touch 'that stuff'. Is that different from the 11.2 million products that slap a couple of proprietary userland apps onto a stock linux base and distribute the set as an appliance? Or do you feel that muddies the water as well? I don't mean to be inflammatory, I just really don't understand the difference, because the linux community seems to generally support things like embedded linux installs so long as the free software bits are properly attributed and distributed, and Apple's use of a BSD base seems largely similar. Zach -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My computing experience began with DOS in 1988, Amiga in 1990, and then Slackware in about 1994. Since then I've gone through all the versions of Windows and tried many Linux distributions. Currently, a good digital photography workflow or high end home-based video editing platform was not possible on Linux. Windows became more and more of an issue with so many OS problems. I was forced to stay with XP since my real-time video editing card was tied to XP and Adobe Premiere. Finally, a Windows malware problem cause a large loss of data and convinced me to take drastic measures. In the fall of 2008 I decided to try Apple. I purchased a MacBook Air for my Son and a MacBook with Cinema display for myself. My main focus was video and image editing so I also purchased Final Cut Express for the MacBook. The Macbook had 4-Gb Ram and a 2.4 GHz core 2 duo processor. From that experience, this spring I went ahead and purchased a QuadCore MacPro with 8-Gb ram and Final Cut Studio. NOw, If I want or need Linux or Windows I boot it up on my MacPro using Parallels Desktop. I can run OS X, Linux and Windows simultaneously on the same machine, but I've yet to find a need for that. On Dec 8, 2009, at 10:12 AM, Afan Pasalic wrote: > Zachary Kotlarek wrote: >> >> On Dec 8, 2009, at 9:51 AM, Afan Pasalic wrote: >> >> >>> the cheapest macbook now is $999. I bought toshiba laptop few months ago for $550 with, I think, superior hardware. if macbook was $600 or $650 I would buy a one. but to pay $400 apple logo on compuer? c'mon... >>> >>> I think with these prices Apple will never reach more then 10% of market share. more often I think they play kind of "noble product" game. only "special people" (rich?) can have it. lice cadillac or mercedes or porsche... >>> >> >> >> You're trying to buy a cheap computer. That's not what Apple sells. If that's what you want to buy you should stay away. Full stop. >> >> Apple has virtually no interest in the sub-$1k market -- they'd be happy to let someone else clean up those low-margin sales, because selling in that market only dilutes their high-margin sales and luxury branding. That's why the only sub-$1k machine Apple has sold recently (the Mac Mini) is underpowered, overpriced, and never gets updates or ad time. >> >> Apple's prices on more expensive machines are much more competitive. But margins are much higher across the industry when you're selling $2.5k machines, so that's not surprising. >> >> Zach > ok. got it. more clear now. > but, do you agree that you pay apple brand much more then HP or Thinkpad brand? apple has bigger price (few percentile) because it is "in trend"? and plus they have better marketing then others (few more percentile bigger price)? > > :-) > > (ubuntu made me spoild!) > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From tim_linux at wilson-home.com Tue Dec 8 11:06:14 2009 From: tim_linux at wilson-home.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 11:06:14 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <7aa1cdb20912071742g2b59cf01g382561b6eb136d80@mail.gmail.com> <4B1E74F1.3090604@afan.net> <4B1E75ED.4010601@afan.net> <4B1E76E2.3040503@internetsolver.com> <4B1E7937.1070701@afan.net> <1260289061.2631.48.camel@localcentos5> <4B1E7B7C.8030208@afan.net> Message-ID: <5a9568c20912080906w1edb84a7s14012f3e757371e7@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 10:27 AM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > On Tue, 8 Dec 2009, Afan Pasalic wrote: > > > anybody on my side? any support? > > > > :-) > > > > afan > > > Sorry, looked like a question to me, .. Apple HW is closed, PC HW is open > - that's the reason for the HW price difference. Beyond that, Apple locks > all users into their market space, while a PC user is free to choose > whatever SW and products they want to use. > I don't think it's fair to say that PC hardware is cheap just because it's open. There are *a lot* of cheap PC components out there. Anyone that has had a Deer power supply can attest to that. It makes sense that a computer company such as Apple has complete control over the hardware. But of course, you'll have to pay a premium for that. PC makers such as Dell and Gateway just slap in cards from the latest companies to have won the bid. That means, 2 PCs coming off the assembly line could have vastly different hardware, and vastly different success rates. I've heard many times about Gateway: "If you have a good one, then you're good. If you have one problem, you'll have lots." That doesn't seem to be the case with Mac. To be fair, the only Apple product I have is an iPhone. I'd love to have a Mac, but I can't justify the cost. Although given the problems I've had with my HP laptop recently, maybe I should give Mac another look. My HP laptop is in the shop for the 3rd time. I bought an extended warranty through Best Buy, so it was covered. The initial repair cost $700, basically the cost of the laptop. The last 2 times have been Geek Squad issues (hinge not put back in correctly, the case on the lid was broken in shipping). But still, over the last 4 months, it seems like I've been without my laptop more than I've been with it. I do think it sucks that I can't develop for the iPhone because I don't have a Mac. The last time I looked, the iPhone devkit was only available for the Mac. > > That's the reality of the market, .. Apple is king in 'Vertical', MS is > king in 'Horizontal'; Apple is Closed, at least MS runs on Open HW so the > rest of us that DO pursue Open/Free SW can take advantage of the HW > market they create and have BOTH Open HW AND Open SW. > > Le > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > -- Tim Required reading: http://bccplease.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091208/b7dce760/attachment.htm From lvl at omnitec.net Tue Dec 8 11:21:09 2009 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 11:21:09 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: <7FF9AAA6-48E4-4FF1-B98C-21456765CFE1@kotlarek.com> References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <9089dcd30912040750x5f70a949p3f760a0b5041cf1@mail.gmail.com> <4B1D7CE4.8000704@dchamp.net> <7aa1cdb20912071742g2b59cf01g382561b6eb136d80@mail.gmail.com> <4B1E74F1.3090604@afan.net> <4B1E75ED.4010601@afan.net> <4B1E76E2.3040503@internetsolver.com> <4B1E7937.1070701@afan.net> <1260289061.2631.48.camel@localcentos5> <4B1E7DFA.3040100@dchamp.net> <7FF9AAA6-48E4-4FF1-B98C-21456765CFE1@kotlarek.com> Message-ID: On Dec 8, 2009, at 10:32 AM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > > You're not alone - that's a dichotomy that concerns me also! The fact > > that Apple runs their propietary SW on a Free host (BSD) just muddies > > the waters; I, for one, cannot understand why an advocate of Free > > Software would ever touch 'that stuff'. > > Is that different from the 11.2 million products that slap a couple of > proprietary userland apps onto a stock linux base and distribute the set > as an appliance? Or do you feel that muddies the water as well? > > I don't mean to be inflammatory, I just really don't understand the > difference, because the linux community seems to generally support > things like embedded linux installs so long as the free software bits > are properly attributed and distributed, and Apple's use of a BSD base > seems largely similar. > > Zach > Interesting question, .. but they are only alike in one sense - they use an OS core. There are a myriad of differences, to start with: 1) Apple is a multi-dimensional vertical market where Apple gets a commission at every level - appliances are purpose built for one application (typically a firewall device) that do not affect any other market. 2) The functioality of an appliance box can easily be replicated, and, in most cases, superceded with an OS built environment. 3) Apple purposly 'links' to other dimensions (e.g. DRM) in order to further it's profit picture and degrade options for consumers; there is no appliance in the market of which I am aware that has the same sort of control. 4) An appliance must, by the GPL, include attribution of the OS internals; Apple does not, because it purposfully picked a BSD licensed environment. .. but you get the idea. Comparing the Apple market with any other is invalid, .. just like comparing MS with any market is mostly invalid. Each has built a unique market that cannot be directly compared with any other. Lee From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Tue Dec 8 11:22:46 2009 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 11:22:46 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: <5a9568c20912080906w1edb84a7s14012f3e757371e7@mail.gmail.com> References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <7aa1cdb20912071742g2b59cf01g382561b6eb136d80@mail.gmail.com> <4B1E74F1.3090604@afan.net> <4B1E75ED.4010601@afan.net> <4B1E76E2.3040503@internetsolver.com> <4B1E7937.1070701@afan.net> <1260289061.2631.48.camel@localcentos5> <4B1E7B7C.8030208@afan.net> <5a9568c20912080906w1edb84a7s14012f3e757371e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: In my experience, the Apple hardware I have owned has been more reliable because Apple has complete control over the hardware and the specifications for the components. I have mostly used pre-owned apple products and I have been very pleased with them from a quality standpoint. I think they do a little better than some of the other tier one PC makers. That is only my opinion though. It is also nice that since so many features are already integrated - network and Bluetooth are prime examples - that they work easily, as you wish they would from the start. This may be the case with Windows Vista or 7 but I have not experienced them personally yet and my expectations are naturally low. -Nate -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091208/6aa79832/attachment.htm From lvl at omnitec.net Tue Dec 8 11:36:15 2009 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 11:36:15 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: <5a9568c20912080906w1edb84a7s14012f3e757371e7@mail.gmail.com> References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <7aa1cdb20912071742g2b59cf01g382561b6eb136d80@mail.gmail.com> <4B1E74F1.3090604@afan.net> <4B1E75ED.4010601@afan.net> <4B1E76E2.3040503@internetsolver.com> <4B1E7937.1070701@afan.net> <1260289061.2631.48.camel@localcentos5> <4B1E7B7C.8030208@afan.net> <5a9568c20912080906w1edb84a7s14012f3e757371e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Dec 2009, Tim Wilson wrote: > On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 10:27 AM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > > I don't think it's fair to say that PC hardware is cheap just because it's > open. > Why not? Ever heard of Supply & Demand? The more suppliers in a market, the lower the costs. > There are *a lot* of cheap PC components out there. Anyone that has > had a Deer power supply can attest to that. It makes sense that a computer > company such as Apple has complete control over the hardware. But of > course, you'll have to pay a premium for that. PC makers such as Dell and > Gateway just slap in cards from the latest companies to have won the bid. > Still the difference between open and closed markets. With an open market, any competitor can build product - it's up to the user to determine the quality. If you want to pay Apple for that 'service', that's your choice. Lee PS - Why is it a problem purchasing a MAC to develop for iPhone? YOU bought into the Apple market, .. that was your choice - you had the freedom to choose, but don't COMPLAIN to us about YOUR choice ! -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From adk at 52761.com Tue Dec 8 11:45:05 2009 From: adk at 52761.com (Allen Kiddoo) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 11:45:05 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <4B1E74F1.3090604@afan.net> <4B1E75ED.4010601@afan.net> <4B1E76E2.3040503@internetsolver.com> <4B1E7937.1070701@afan.net> <1260289061.2631.48.camel@localcentos5> <4B1E7B7C.8030208@afan.net> <5a9568c20912080906w1edb84a7s14012f3e757371e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <678823f00912080945o6928b4f5tdcbea14ea1856cfd@mail.gmail.com> I don't believe anyone has mentioned apple support. I bought a used iMac about a year ago that still had an extended warranty remaining. Transferred the warranty. 5 months later the screen had vertical lines in it. Called support and 2 days later tech was at my door to install new screen. So part of the price is their real tech support. English is native language. You get what you pay for. As a side bar- Google Chrome was just release for mac. Got the email about 45 minutes ago. Allen On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 11:36 AM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > On Tue, 8 Dec 2009, Tim Wilson wrote: > >> On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 10:27 AM, L. V. Lammert wrote: >> >> I don't think it's fair to say that PC hardware is cheap just because it's >> open. >> > Why not? Ever heard of Supply & Demand? The more suppliers in a market, > the lower the costs. > >> There are *a lot* of cheap PC components out there. ?Anyone that has >> had a Deer power supply can attest to that. ?It makes sense that a computer >> company such as Apple has complete control over the hardware. ?But of >> course, you'll have to pay a premium for that. ?PC makers such as Dell and >> Gateway just slap in cards from the latest companies to have won the bid. >> > Still the difference between open and closed markets. With an open market, > any competitor can build product - it's up to the user to determine the > quality. > > If you want to pay Apple for that 'service', that's your choice. > > ? ? ? ?Lee > > PS - Why is it a problem purchasing a MAC to develop for iPhone? YOU > bought into the Apple market, .. that was your choice - you had the > freedom to choose, but don't COMPLAIN to us about YOUR choice ! > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > From newz at bearfruit.org Tue Dec 8 11:48:52 2009 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 11:48:52 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: <5a9568c20912080906w1edb84a7s14012f3e757371e7@mail.gmail.com> References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <4B1E74F1.3090604@afan.net> <4B1E75ED.4010601@afan.net> <4B1E76E2.3040503@internetsolver.com> <4B1E7937.1070701@afan.net> <1260289061.2631.48.camel@localcentos5> <4B1E7B7C.8030208@afan.net> <5a9568c20912080906w1edb84a7s14012f3e757371e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Tim Wilson wrote: > PC makers such as Dell and > Gateway just slap in cards from the latest companies to have won the bid. > That means, 2 PCs coming off the assembly line could have vastly different > hardware, and vastly different success rates. > To be fair, the only Apple product I have is an iPhone.? I'd love to have a > Mac, but I can't justify the cost.? Although given the problems I've had > with my HP laptop recently, maybe I should give Mac another look.? My HP > laptop is in the shop for the 3rd time.? I bought an extended warranty > through Best Buy, so it was covered. You see, you've pointed out two major mis-conceptions in this email. 1. Best buy does not sell business-grade computers except the Apple products. If you bought an HP computer at Best Buy you bought a toy. It is cheap, it gets the job done but it does not have the same quality of build as business grade computers. Just because Apple is the nicest computer in Best Buy doesn't mean it's alone. Check out the Latitude series of notebooks and the Lenovo ThinkPad line for comparables (or if you like HP, the Envy line). 2. Dell (nor any other major manufacturer) does not just slap parts into the computer. Having learned a bit about Dell's assembly line, the process is not anything like this. There's not a bin of parts that can get mixed up together. Especially in the business lines. Models are spec'd out and maintained for a considerable amount of time in some cases. > I do think it sucks that I can't develop for the iPhone because I don't have > a Mac.? The last time I looked, the iPhone devkit was only available for the > Mac. > This is precisely why I bought the Mac. However, now I know that it was a bad reasoning. Investing my time into learning Objective C is investing in Apple's attempt to monopolize the consumer smart phone space. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter From inflatablesoulmate at brothersofchaos.com Tue Dec 8 12:20:22 2009 From: inflatablesoulmate at brothersofchaos.com (Matt Stanton) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 12:20:22 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: <4B1E7B7C.8030208@afan.net> References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <9089dcd30912040750x5f70a949p3f760a0b5041cf1@mail.gmail.com> <4B1D7CE4.8000704@dchamp.net> <7aa1cdb20912071742g2b59cf01g382561b6eb136d80@mail.gmail.com> <4B1E74F1.3090604@afan.net> <4B1E75ED.4010601@afan.net> <4B1E76E2.3040503@internetsolver.com> <4B1E7937.1070701@afan.net> <1260289061.2631.48.camel@localcentos5> <4B1E7B7C.8030208@afan.net> Message-ID: <4B1E98E6.4040407@brothersofchaos.com> I'm on your side by virtue of not being rich. Though, I do get to play on a Mac Pro all day at work, and I must say that it is a fantastically slick machine. If MacOS X had DirectX9.0c graphics and I could run to best buy and get a beast of a video card to put it in, I would certainly be tempted to get one. But, the bottom line is that my car cost me $2500, and I can't justify spending the same amount on a computer as I did on my car. Maybe if I ever get a nicer car, I'll think about getting a mac, too. Afan Pasalic wrote: > anybody on my side? any support? > > :-) > > afan > > > > Dave Hala Jr wrote: >> Lenovo, HP etc., have a differant product. They just sell hardware and >> load whatever MS has on their product. >> >> Apple sells a "package" and that product is the sum of the Mac OS *and* >> the hardware. >> >> >> On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 10:05 -0600, Afan Pasalic wrote: >> >>> Dave Weis wrote: >>> >>>> Afan Pasalic wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> I should read before I hit the send button :-) >>>>> one thing is not clear to me. Is there REALLY good reason why apple >>>>> computers are soooo expensive? hardware quality can't be the answer >>>>> because the same hardware configuration with Win on it is at least 30% >>>>> less, some times more then 50% less. >>>>> >>>>> the cheapest macbook now is $999. I bought toshiba laptop few months ago >>>>> for $550 with, I think, superior hardware. if macbook was $600 or $650 I >>>>> would buy a one. but to pay $400 apple logo on compuer? c'mon... >>>>> >>>>> I think with these prices Apple will never reach more then 10% of market >>>>> share. more often I think they play kind of "noble product" game. only >>>>> "special people" (rich?) can have it. lice cadillac or mercedes or >>>>> porsche... >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Let's say it costs $100 to build a specific computer. If you sell the >>>> computer for $110 you will net $10 and sell 1000 of them. Your net >>>> profit is $10,000. If you sell it for $200 you will net $100 profit per >>>> machine and sell 200 of them. Your net profit is $20,000. Which business >>>> do you want to operate? >>>> >>>> dave >>>> >>> I got it. but, with $110 you have 1000 clients they pay for >>> upgrade/update/maintain, comparing to 200 clients if you sell $200 a >>> piece, right? >>> and, if the market is 10,000, with 1000 you have 10% of market. with >>> 200 you have 2%. >>> >>> and, why then HP, Lenovo, Ford, Nike are not doing the same? >>> >>> :-) >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Cialug mailing list >>> Cialug at cialug.org >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug at cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From alan.maupin at gmail.com Tue Dec 8 13:43:29 2009 From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:43:29 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: <678823f00912080945o6928b4f5tdcbea14ea1856cfd@mail.gmail.com> References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <4B1E74F1.3090604@afan.net> <4B1E75ED.4010601@afan.net> <4B1E76E2.3040503@internetsolver.com> <4B1E7937.1070701@afan.net> <1260289061.2631.48.camel@localcentos5> <4B1E7B7C.8030208@afan.net> <5a9568c20912080906w1edb84a7s14012f3e757371e7@mail.gmail.com> <678823f00912080945o6928b4f5tdcbea14ea1856cfd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <85C5CD20-E67E-4849-A061-914C57C01E92@gmail.com> I had the same thing happen on a used 22 inch Cinema display (expensive) with ghosting. It was still under warranty and was promptly replaced. On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:45 AM, Allen Kiddoo wrote: > I don't believe anyone has mentioned apple support. I bought a used > iMac about a year ago that still had an extended warranty remaining. > Transferred the warranty. 5 months later the screen had vertical lines > in it. Called support and 2 days later tech was at my door to install > new screen. So part of the price is their real tech support. English > is native language. You get what you pay for. > > As a side bar- Google Chrome was just release for mac. Got the email > about 45 minutes ago. > > Allen > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 11:36 AM, L. V. Lammert wrote: >> On Tue, 8 Dec 2009, Tim Wilson wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 10:27 AM, L. V. Lammert wrote: >>> >>> I don't think it's fair to say that PC hardware is cheap just because it's >>> open. >>> >> Why not? Ever heard of Supply & Demand? The more suppliers in a market, >> the lower the costs. >> >>> There are *a lot* of cheap PC components out there. Anyone that has >>> had a Deer power supply can attest to that. It makes sense that a computer >>> company such as Apple has complete control over the hardware. But of >>> course, you'll have to pay a premium for that. PC makers such as Dell and >>> Gateway just slap in cards from the latest companies to have won the bid. >>> >> Still the difference between open and closed markets. With an open market, >> any competitor can build product - it's up to the user to determine the >> quality. >> >> If you want to pay Apple for that 'service', that's your choice. >> >> Lee >> >> PS - Why is it a problem purchasing a MAC to develop for iPhone? YOU >> bought into the Apple market, .. that was your choice - you had the >> freedom to choose, but don't COMPLAIN to us about YOUR choice ! >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug at cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug at cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From zach at kotlarek.com Tue Dec 8 14:34:14 2009 From: zach at kotlarek.com (Zachary Kotlarek) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:34:14 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <9089dcd30912040750x5f70a949p3f760a0b5041cf1@mail.gmail.com> <4B1D7CE4.8000704@dchamp.net> <7aa1cdb20912071742g2b59cf01g382561b6eb136d80@mail.gmail.com> <4B1E74F1.3090604@afan.net> <4B1E75ED.4010601@afan.net> <4B1E76E2.3040503@internetsolver.com> <4B1E7937.1070701@afan.net> <1260289061.2631.48.camel@localcentos5> <4B1E7DFA.3040100@dchamp.net> <7FF9AAA6-48E4-4FF1-B98C-21456765CFE1@kotlarek.com> Message-ID: <7473EC68-CB2B-4F93-A397-39F97F65A939@kotlarek.com> On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:21 AM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > 1) Apple is a multi-dimensional vertical market where Apple gets a > commission at every level - appliances are purpose built for one > application (typically a firewall device) that do not affect any other > market. Cisco plays the same game. Switches. Routers. Network security. Phones. Video conferencing. VPNs (hardware and software). WebEx. Building security. They make a solution for just about every communications and security related problem that business have. Most of it on proprietary hardware. Some of it on commodity hardware with an open-source OS and a couple of proprietary apps. It sounds a lot like Apple. They even play the same pricing and marketing game. They make a couple of overpriced devices for the low-end because their customers demand it, but their bread-and-butter is high-end, high-markup equipment. Like Apple they sell end-to-end solutions by claiming that their stuff "just works" when you use it all together. It's mostly true, but they use that to create vertical integration and high margins in a premium brand, and they price their gear with that in mind. I'm sure you could find other examples; Apple is hardly the only vertically integrated company in the world, and I'd bet that a lot of them use open-source software on some of their equipment. > 2) The functioality of an appliance box can easily be replicated, and, in > most cases, superceded with an OS built environment. You can slap whatever OS you want on Apple's box. MS Windows and desktop linux distros all have about the same functionality and run without issue on Apple hardware. Apple even releases drivers for their proprietary hardware for Windows (mostly to encourage switching I know, but still hardly a lock-in). > 3) Apple purposly 'links' to other dimensions (e.g. DRM) in order to > further it's profit picture and degrade options for consumers; there is no > appliance in the market of which I am aware that has the same sort of > control. Off the top of my head I can only name two types of DRM in Apple's OS: 1. Will only boot on Apple hardware. I doubt any appliance manufacturer would be excited if your took their software off the machine it came on and ran it on another one. That goes for everything from the no-name WiFi AP to Cisco gear; software sellers don't care what hardware you use, but most appliance manufacturers do, because they sell hardware. 2. FairPlay on video files from the iTMS (and previously on audio files). I agree, this one is annoying. But it's scope is quite limited; it only affects specific media files, not video playback in general, or any other part of system functionality. Am I missing other DRM that makes OS X nasty? It's not like you have to buy Apple-branded apps or disks or something (which Dell claimed last time I called -- that non-Dell disks would void my warranty). > 4) An appliance must, by the GPL, include attribution of the OS internals; > Apple does not, because it purposfully picked a BSD licensed environment. No, but they do anyway to a large degree -- it might be a PR stunt, but it's still a good deal of shared code. And they picked a base system with a license that was compatible with their intent; no one who released their code under a BSD license ever intended to force Apple share anything, and they likely do not feel jilted if/when Apple fails to do so. Zach -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The more suppliers in a market, > the lower the costs. > Of course, but there are those that Demand better. And for those, they either have to learn the hard way (buy something inferior and learn from that mistake), or go with something they've been told is better. And for some people, that's Apple. > > > There are *a lot* of cheap PC components out there. Anyone that has > > had a Deer power supply can attest to that. It makes sense that a > computer > > company such as Apple has complete control over the hardware. But of > > course, you'll have to pay a premium for that. PC makers such as Dell > and > > Gateway just slap in cards from the latest companies to have won the bid. > > > Still the difference between open and closed markets. With an open market, > any competitor can build product - it's up to the user to determine the > quality. > But exactly HOW do you determine that quality? > > If you want to pay Apple for that 'service', that's your choice. > > Lee > > PS - Why is it a problem purchasing a MAC to develop for iPhone? YOU > bought into the Apple market, .. that was your choice - you had the > freedom to choose, but don't COMPLAIN to us about YOUR choice ! > Umm, I wasn't COMPLAINING to you, I was agreeing with some of the conversation that has already occurred. Why is it that Apple has closed itself off as it has? I find it extremely difficult to believe that they couldn't make an SDK for Windows, just like they did with iTunes. If I want to develop for ONE piece of hardware, I have to purchase A DIFFERENT piece of hardware that Apple makes? Seriously? 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I'd love to have > a > > Mac, but I can't justify the cost. Although given the problems I've had > > with my HP laptop recently, maybe I should give Mac another look. My HP > > laptop is in the shop for the 3rd time. I bought an extended warranty > > through Best Buy, so it was covered. > > You see, you've pointed out two major mis-conceptions in this email. > > 1. Best buy does not sell business-grade computers except the Apple > products. > > If you bought an HP computer at Best Buy you bought a toy. It is > cheap, it gets the job done but it does not have the same quality of > build as business grade computers. Just because Apple is the nicest > computer in Best Buy doesn't mean it's alone. Check out the Latitude > series of notebooks and the Lenovo ThinkPad line for comparables (or > if you like HP, the Envy line). > When did this turn into a discussion about business grade computers? I was responding to Afan's question about why Apple is so much more expensive than PCs. Apple is targeted towards consumers. So is HP, Compaq, Dell, Gateway, E-Machines, etc. A consumer has to trust that a machine is a quality product. What was quality a year ago, may not be so today. Before I bought my laptop, I had another HP laptop, and my wife has had 2 Compaq laptops, and they worked well. And I asked around who makes a good laptop? Most everyone told me HP. Since then I've heard Toshiba is better, and HP has gone down hill. I've even heard people say Dell is the worst for laptops. So who do you believe? My take on it is if you pay for Apple, you're going to a get a better product. If they're considered business grade, then fine. But the consumer isn't going to know that. How is the consumer supposed to know the difference between one laptop and another? Average Joe Consumer will see what Afan saw, what IS the difference? They'll go for something cheaper, not knowing what the differences are. And I resent you calling my laptop a "toy". Lower quality, maybe, but a toy, no. HP sells different configurations for different stores. I could have probably bought something similar at Office Depot, Office Max, or Staples. Do they sell toys also? > > 2. Dell (nor any other major manufacturer) does not just slap parts > into the computer. Having learned a bit about Dell's assembly line, > the process is not anything like this. There's not a bin of parts that > can get mixed up together. Especially in the business lines. Models > are spec'd out and maintained for a considerable amount of time in > some cases Unless it has changed in the last 3 years, it is exactly like that, for at least consumer models. My wife's brother works there, and he's told us (and shown us the field of trucks), that when one truck is empty, they pull another one up. Sometimes it is from the same manufacturer, sometimes it isn't. So the PC that went just left the same line CAN contain different hardware than the next one. Apple doesn't do that. They have a much tighter control on their hardware. In so doing, they charge a premium. . > > > I do think it sucks that I can't develop for the iPhone because I don't > have > > a Mac. The last time I looked, the iPhone devkit was only available for > the > > Mac. > > > > This is precisely why I bought the Mac. However, now I know that it > was a bad reasoning. Investing my time into learning Objective C is > investing in Apple's attempt to monopolize the consumer smart phone > space. > I just can't justify the extra cost of yet another computer for the one or two apps I might write. > > -- > Matthew Nuzum > newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -- Tim Required reading: http://bccplease.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091208/dc31caa0/attachment.htm From newz at bearfruit.org Tue Dec 8 16:24:54 2009 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:24:54 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: <5a9568c20912081401q4baeabd2vcbf2842225d517f3@mail.gmail.com> References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <4B1E75ED.4010601@afan.net> <4B1E76E2.3040503@internetsolver.com> <4B1E7937.1070701@afan.net> <1260289061.2631.48.camel@localcentos5> <4B1E7B7C.8030208@afan.net> <5a9568c20912080906w1edb84a7s14012f3e757371e7@mail.gmail.com> <5a9568c20912081401q4baeabd2vcbf2842225d517f3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Tim Wilson wrote: > And I resent you calling my laptop a "toy".? Lower quality, maybe, but a > toy, no.? HP sells different configurations for different stores.? I could > have probably bought something similar at Office Depot, Office Max, or > Staples.? Do they sell toys also? Forgive me, I did not mean to say you were making bad decisions or that your computer is not a valuable asset. What I meant is that many manufacturers have two grades of computers, a consumer/personal use line that is made with plastic housing (nearly every model at Best Buy, Staples and Office Depot) and another line of computers that are meant to withstand prolonged daily use, often made of magnesium, carbon fiber or some metal alloy case. Even Apple does this, they have a plastic MacBook laptop and aluminium MacBook Pros, but they're not the best example since even their low-end model is high on the price spectrum. Obviously the plastic computers sold at super stores are fine for most people but if someone depends on their computer I strongly urge them to check out the business lines. They often come with 2-3 year warranties and next business day service. No extended warranty or geek squad is needed. So how this got to be about business grade computers is because of the comparison of price points. If you compare the Aluminium Mac Book Pro 13" to the Dell Latitude E4300 or the Lenovo Thinkpad X301 you will see that the Mac Book Pro is comparatively priced. Comparing the MBP to the HP Pavilion at Best Buy or the Toshiba Satellite at Office Depot is not an oranges to oranges comparison. As I re-read my post it came out sounding much more harshly worded than I intended it, I do apologize for offending you. Please forgive me, it was not my intent to attack. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter From inflatablesoulmate at brothersofchaos.com Tue Dec 8 17:19:49 2009 From: inflatablesoulmate at brothersofchaos.com (Matt Stanton) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:19:49 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <4B1E75ED.4010601@afan.net> <4B1E76E2.3040503@internetsolver.com> <4B1E7937.1070701@afan.net> <1260289061.2631.48.camel@localcentos5> <4B1E7B7C.8030208@afan.net> <5a9568c20912080906w1edb84a7s14012f3e757371e7@mail.gmail.com> <5a9568c20912081401q4baeabd2vcbf2842225d517f3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B1EDF15.8040601@brothersofchaos.com> Arguing the merits of Apple's products on this list is a hard sell. Obviously, anyone on this list who is comfortable with linux is going to be a person who knows how to tinker with a computer. Telling me I have to shell out an extra $1000 to get a computer that 'just works' is kinda laughable, since I have no problem making a computer do exactly what I want it to do. I, like many other people on this list probably are, am a computer hobbyist. If it doesn't work, I'll bust out google and mess with it until I figure out why it doesn't, and feel better for having learned something about it while getting it to work. Over the weekend, I had two PCs gutted, taking parts from each of them and throwing in a new motherboard, RAM, and PSU to come up with a refreshed gaming machine that is an absolute beast compared to what it was before. Last night I dedicated my time to upgrading from Vista Ultimate x64 to Windows 7 Ultimate x64, then spent the rest of the night tweaking things with the OS and the games I play to get all the performance I can out of the hardware. Apple's market is the people with no time or patience to do that sort of fiddling with their computers who also have the money to spend to make those problems go away before they happen. They aren't the computer enthusiasts, the gamers, or the people who dabble in programming just because it's fun. They are the business people whose time is worth a lot of money, the people who need a computer to just be there and work as expected when they need it to. That isn't to say they aren't all about open-source software, programming, or dabbling, but that when they want to get down to business, they want to get directly to work, leaving that hobby to manifest in their personal time. It's also not to say that Apple computers are infallible workhorses, either. Apple has made its mistakes with hardware and software. They have, however, managed to convince the public that those issues are easily resolved and very few and far between. They have an outstanding record of taking the money that customers throw at them to make any problems that do pop up go away in a fast and convenient manner. If I had a lot of money, and I could just throw it at a problem when it pops its head up, I'm sure I'd be very happy with any product Apple comes up with. As it stands, though, I am almost masochisticly drawn to the challenge of forcing an otherwise unruly computer to bow its head in defeat. Now that I'm done fiddling with the spawn of M$, I can get back to the real challenge and joy of messing with Ubuntu, Apache, etc, etc, etc... on this poweredge server in the next room... >:D From inflatablesoulmate at brothersofchaos.com Tue Dec 8 17:25:15 2009 From: inflatablesoulmate at brothersofchaos.com (Matt Stanton) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:25:15 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <4B1E75ED.4010601@afan.net> <4B1E76E2.3040503@internetsolver.com> <4B1E7937.1070701@afan.net> <1260289061.2631.48.camel@localcentos5> <4B1E7B7C.8030208@afan.net> <5a9568c20912080906w1edb84a7s14012f3e757371e7@mail.gmail.com> <5a9568c20912081401q4baeabd2vcbf2842225d517f3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B1EE05B.6000708@brothersofchaos.com> Oh, instead of replying to my recent post, I'll just tack this on and hope that everyone can follow. Another reason why you aren't going to get much response for Apple is also probably because a large percentage of the people on this list deal with PC technology and linux on such a frequent basis that they have absolutely no trouble setting up a server or PC from scratch without experiencing any trouble whatsoever. Im not anywhere near that point, yet, but I'd imagine that some day I will catch up with the learning curve and be able to do so myself. There is a certain amount of pride involved with knowing that you've dealt with every problem that a computer can throw at you and you've come out on top and with the knowledge you need to avoid those problems in the future. You can't always expect life to give you an Apple, so I figure it's good to know how to deal with the lemons if I ever need to. From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Tue Dec 8 17:36:47 2009 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:36:47 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook Message-ID: <4B1E8EB00200002E0003B084@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> I just want to point out that a lot of people on this list used to be people who had the time to hack on hardware and mess around with compilers. I used to spend days getting things like ATI TV-Out to work. These days I look back on that and feel like a moron, because the time savings from just running to the store and buying something that works dramatically outweigh the cost. I have considered Mac at various times, and am drifting more and more in that direction. It's awfully tempting to have a platform that is Unix-like enough that I can get my stuff done, can be run dual-booted with Linux so I can bounce over into something else when the Mac is too user friendly, but still have the Mac side, so if I run in an odd conflict, I can say "screw it", reboot and get the job done. I think that a lot of us are sliding that way, what with our time becoming either more valuable as we do more in business, or more rare as we do more with our families. It's important to remember that each of us have different requirements for what we use, and that those requirements change as we age. Personally, I like Apple's hardware quality control, and I am deeply tempted by what's available in the photospace there. However, I have thus far avoided them based on price and the lack of real security tools... there's no guarantee that I'll feel that way forever. -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej at alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 >>> Matt Stanton 12/08/09 5:20 PM >>> Arguing the merits of Apple's products on this list is a hard sell. Obviously, anyone on this list who is comfortable with linux is going to be a person who knows how to tinker with a computer. Telling me I have to shell out an extra $1000 to get a computer that 'just works' is kinda laughable, since I have no problem making a computer do exactly what I want it to do. I, like many other people on this list probably are, am a computer hobbyist. If it doesn't work, I'll bust out google and mess with it until I figure out why it doesn't, and feel better for having learned something about it while getting it to work. Over the weekend, I had two PCs gutted, taking parts from each of them and throwing in a new motherboard, RAM, and PSU to come up with a refreshed gaming machine that is an absolute beast compared to what it was before. Last night I dedicated my time to upgrading from Vista Ultimate x64 to Windows 7 Ultimate x64, then spent the rest of the night tweaking things with the OS and the games I play to get all the performance I can out of the hardware. Apple's market is the people with no time or patience to do that sort of fiddling with their computers who also have the money to spend to make those problems go away before they happen. They aren't the computer enthusiasts, the gamers, or the people who dabble in programming just because it's fun. They are the business people whose time is worth a lot of money, the people who need a computer to just be there and work as expected when they need it to. That isn't to say they aren't all about open-source software, programming, or dabbling, but that when they want to get down to business, they want to get directly to work, leaving that hobby to manifest in their personal time. It's also not to say that Apple computers are infallible workhorses, either. Apple has made its mistakes with hardware and software. They have, however, managed to convince the public that those issues are easily resolved and very few and far between. They have an outstanding record of taking the money that customers throw at them to make any problems that do pop up go away in a fast and convenient manner. If I had a lot of money, and I could just throw it at a problem when it pops its head up, I'm sure I'd be very happy with any product Apple comes up with. As it stands, though, I am almost masochisticly drawn to the challenge of forcing an otherwise unruly computer to bow its head in defeat. Now that I'm done fiddling with the spawn of M$, I can get back to the real challenge and joy of messing with Ubuntu, Apache, etc, etc, etc... on this poweredge server in the next room... >:D _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From afan at afan.net Tue Dec 8 18:47:08 2009 From: afan at afan.net (Afan Pasalic) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:47:08 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: <5a9568c20912081401q4baeabd2vcbf2842225d517f3@mail.gmail.com> References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <4B1E74F1.3090604@afan.net> <4B1E75ED.4010601@afan.net> <4B1E76E2.3040503@internetsolver.com> <4B1E7937.1070701@afan.net> <1260289061.2631.48.camel@localcentos5> <4B1E7B7C.8030208@afan.net> <5a9568c20912080906w1edb84a7s14012f3e757371e7@mail.gmail.com> <5a9568c20912081401q4baeabd2vcbf2842225d517f3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B1EF38C.30700@afan.net> Tim Wilson wrote: > Average Joe Consumer will see what Afan saw, what IS the difference? Now I'm the Joe Consumer, right? Great! =-O Just kiddin' :-) From ka_klick at mac.com Tue Dec 8 19:01:50 2009 From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:01:50 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook In-Reply-To: <4B1EE05B.6000708@brothersofchaos.com> References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <4B1E75ED.4010601@afan.net> <4B1E76E2.3040503@internetsolver.com> <4B1E7937.1070701@afan.net> <1260289061.2631.48.camel@localcentos5> <4B1E7B7C.8030208@afan.net> <5a9568c20912080906w1edb84a7s14012f3e757371e7@mail.gmail.com> <5a9568c20912081401q4baeabd2vcbf2842225d517f3@mail.gmail.com> <4B1EE05B.6000708@brothersofchaos.com> Message-ID: <08AE4938-BD3E-4031-A218-921486AF97AC@mac.com> OK, I've been wading through the thread (you guys get talkative during snow storms). I'll address the "why no defense of Apple?" question since it's repeated in this (or attempted to be answered). Several folks have popped in (myself included) with various bits, but I don't think anyone's going to go gonzo about it even if they are pretty heavily into macs (and maybe more so if they are) because many of us are tired of the process: 1. get baited by inflammatory remark about Apple 2. respond 3. get branded a fanboi, and have to listen to a bunch more of the same crap more personally directed. It's pretty much the formula these things go by. I've been happy to see this one hasn't sunk to these levels yet, but I've been seeing a lot of tired, old, mostly outdated and overall wrong stuff cropping up here: Evil Apple, bent on destruction of all who stand in their path (especially noble soldiers of openness). This is pretty much a step away from a "Godwin" argument. Apple is a corporation. As such, it does look to make a profit, and protect it's interests it sues those who violate it's trademark - because they have to (US law has defend it or lose it clauses for TM) and they do go after whoever else they see a real threat from (Psystar). Google, IBM, Novell and Redhat all share most of these traits - when you're public, you have to have nazgul on the payroll. If they were so terrible about F/OSS, why have they contributed directly to (or started) many high profile F/OSS projects, off the top of my head: Zeroconf (bonjour) Webkit (wouldn't have those lovely Androids to drool over w/o it, or Chrome) Darwin itself (Kernel, etc) Darwin Streaming Server OpenDirectory OpenPlay They have also been far better about simply adopting standards instead of "extending" them in encumbered ways, and employ many high profile personalities in some of the major projects that keep the *BSDs and Linux distros going. Do they have proprietary stuff they keep to themselves? Yup. You going to tell me that isn't their right? On price points: I think it's been nailed pretty well by others. Apple doesn't play the high-volume, low margin game. The low end of the line is really priced badly (and lets face it the price points have been pretty in-elastic there for some time). On the mid and high end the price is pretty decent value compared to truly comparable machines. On "Closed" architecture: Well, that must be why folks are trying to gin-up their own clone operations and others are happily shoe-horning OSX onto netbooks. (and why it's so easy to install Linux and Windows on one). Macs are pretty much regular PC hardware for the last 3 years or so. I'm almost surprised no one came up with the old "1 button mouse" chestnut. (also false for about 5 years, as far as Apple supplied and actually always false for 3rd party). DRM: Well, iTMS hasn't sold a DRM encumbered audio track in months iirc. There was also a fairly impassioned open letter from S.J. to the labels stating why DRM was a losing battle and should be abandoned. Simply put Apple added DRM to keep the labels happy (and it's still on the movies because the studios want it there). While it's true that the presence of that DRM kept outside hardware vendors out of the iTMS market for some time, that was a happy (from Apple's point of view) side effect of what the labels themselves insisted on. They ended up hoist by their own petard, since it ended up putting Apple in the Catbird seat for some time. Also, the iPod family has NEVER required that a track have DRM or been AAC, the majority of my (and most people's) iPod libraries is likely to be ripped MP3s. Josh makes a good point in the post that came in while I was typing this up: I've done all the hardware/software "roll up you sleeves" stuff I really care for for some time. Been there, done that, bought the tee shirt - been using Linux since before OSX came out - back then Linux did let me do things I can't in OSX, these days not so much. I'd rather use my creative energies elsewhere (on my music these days) and my time on my family. I still deal w/ Windows, Linux and OSX daily, but I spend most of my time where I work best (OSX). Yeah, maybe I'm a fanboi, but a pretty decently informed one: Started using DOS PCs in 1984 (for Wordstar), Macs in 1987, Windows in 1990, OS9000 in 1994, Linux in 1996. Enough. I've taken enough time and creativity on this. Let the ad- hominem begin. On Dec 8, 2009, at 5:25 PM, Matt Stanton wrote: > Oh, instead of replying to my recent post, I'll just tack this on and > hope that everyone can follow. Another reason why you aren't going to > get much response for Apple is also probably because a large > percentage > of the people on this list deal with PC technology and linux on such a > frequent basis that they have absolutely no trouble setting up a > server > or PC from scratch without experiencing any trouble whatsoever. Im > not > anywhere near that point, yet, but I'd imagine that some day I will > catch up with the learning curve and be able to do so myself. There > is > a certain amount of pride involved with knowing that you've dealt with > every problem that a computer can throw at you and you've come out on > top and with the knowledge you need to avoid those problems in the > future. You can't always expect life to give you an Apple, so I > figure > it's good to know how to deal with the lemons if I ever need to. > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -- Bryan "ka-klick" Baker Singer/Songwriter With a New CD for 2009!!! Mr. Lincoln - Available NOW at: http://cdbaby.com/bryanbaker3 http://tinyurl.com/mrlincolnatitunes http://tinyurl.com/mrlincolnatamazon ka-klick at ka-klick.com http://ka-klick.com From mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu Tue Dec 8 20:51:59 2009 From: mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu (Mathew R. Phillips) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 20:51:59 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <4B1E75ED.4010601@afan.net> <4B1E76E2.3040503@internetsolver.com> <4B1E7937.1070701@afan.net> <1260289061.2631.48.camel@localcentos5> <4B1E7B7C.8030208@afan.net> <5a9568c20912080906w1edb84a7s14012f3e757371e7@mail.gmail.com> <5a9568c20912081401q4baeabd2vcbf2842225d517f3@mail.gmail.com> <4B1EE05B.6000708@brothersofchaos.com> Message-ID: hey now who's saying linux is a lemon?!?! ;) -----Original Message----- From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org on behalf of Matt Stanton Sent: Tue 12/8/2009 5:25 PM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] distro for ibook Oh, instead of replying to my recent post, I'll just tack this on and hope that everyone can follow. Another reason why you aren't going to get much response for Apple is also probably because a large percentage of the people on this list deal with PC technology and linux on such a frequent basis that they have absolutely no trouble setting up a server or PC from scratch without experiencing any trouble whatsoever. Im not anywhere near that point, yet, but I'd imagine that some day I will catch up with the learning curve and be able to do so myself. There is a certain amount of pride involved with knowing that you've dealt with every problem that a computer can throw at you and you've come out on top and with the knowledge you need to avoid those problems in the future. You can't always expect life to give you an Apple, so I figure it's good to know how to deal with the lemons if I ever need to. _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Phillips wrote: > hey now who's saying linux is a lemon?!?! ;) > > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org on behalf of Matt Stanton > Sent: Tue 12/8/2009 5:25 PM > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Cialug] distro for ibook > > Oh, instead of replying to my recent post, I'll just tack this on and > hope that everyone can follow. Another reason why you aren't going to > get much response for Apple is also probably because a large percentage > of the people on this list deal with PC technology and linux on such a > frequent basis that they have absolutely no trouble setting up a server > or PC from scratch without experiencing any trouble whatsoever. Im not > anywhere near that point, yet, but I'd imagine that some day I will > catch up with the learning curve and be able to do so myself. There is > a certain amount of pride involved with knowing that you've dealt with > every problem that a computer can throw at you and you've come out on > top and with the knowledge you need to avoid those problems in the > future. You can't always expect life to give you an Apple, so I figure > it's good to know how to deal with the lemons if I ever need to. > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu Tue Dec 8 23:47:28 2009 From: mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu (Mathew R. Phillips) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:47:28 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Ubuntu 9.10 roaming mode Message-ID: Ok this question is directed towards matt just because it can but i have a friend thats trying to get wireless going on his netbook. He has the broadcom driver installed and all that jazz but for some reason it seems that "Enable Roaming Mode" option has disappeared from Network Manager in 9.10... any ideas how to get that setup? Matt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091208/002726d3/attachment.htm From mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu Tue Dec 8 23:47:51 2009 From: mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu (Mathew R. Phillips) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:47:51 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] distro for ibook References: <5F8367C27109024BAC98C61E985BB67801B8AD41@ANVEX02.campus.dmacc.edu> <4B1E75ED.4010601@afan.net> <4B1E76E2.3040503@internetsolver.com> <4B1E7937.1070701@afan.net> <1260289061.2631.48.camel@localcentos5> <4B1E7B7C.8030208@afan.net> <5a9568c20912080906w1edb84a7s14012f3e757371e7@mail.gmail.com> <5a9568c20912081401q4baeabd2vcbf2842225d517f3@mail.gmail.com> <4B1EE05B.6000708@brothersofchaos.com> <4B1F269B.3030302@brothersofchaos.com> Message-ID: >Hahahah! Linux isn't a lemon, but it prides itself in running solidly >on anything, including lemons and automatic juicers! Well spoken! -----Original Message----- From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org on behalf of Matt Stanton Sent: Tue 12/8/2009 10:24 PM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] distro for ibook Mathew R. Phillips wrote: > hey now who's saying linux is a lemon?!?! ;) > > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org on behalf of Matt Stanton > Sent: Tue 12/8/2009 5:25 PM > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Cialug] distro for ibook > > Oh, instead of replying to my recent post, I'll just tack this on and > hope that everyone can follow. Another reason why you aren't going to > get much response for Apple is also probably because a large percentage > of the people on this list deal with PC technology and linux on such a > frequent basis that they have absolutely no trouble setting up a server > or PC from scratch without experiencing any trouble whatsoever. Im not > anywhere near that point, yet, but I'd imagine that some day I will > catch up with the learning curve and be able to do so myself. There is > a certain amount of pride involved with knowing that you've dealt with > every problem that a computer can throw at you and you've come out on > top and with the knowledge you need to avoid those problems in the > future. You can't always expect life to give you an Apple, so I figure > it's good to know how to deal with the lemons if I ever need to. > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 4194 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091208/77e676c9/attachment-0001.bin From newz at bearfruit.org Wed Dec 9 09:03:38 2009 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 09:03:38 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Ubuntu 9.10 roaming mode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Mathew R. Phillips wrote: > > Ok this question is directed towards matt just because it can but i have a > friend thats trying to get wireless going on his netbook. He has the > broadcom driver installed and all that jazz but for some reason it seems > that "Enable Roaming Mode" option has disappeared from Network Manager in > 9.10... any ideas how to get that setup? I've not used this, nor have I ever known what it is. Googling tells me that the purpose is to enable you to easily move from network to network. I can attest that I've been doing this for a while now, and never used roaming mode. As a matter of fact, to get my broadcom chipset working after installing I had to plug into my router's ethernet port. Once I rebooted it detected the wireless so I unplugged the ethernet and moved upstairs. So maybe roaming mode does something else, if it does I'll be happy to ask the network manager admin about it. But as I understand it, it's integrated in well enough that you don't need it now. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter From lvl at omnitec.net Wed Dec 9 10:05:57 2009 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:05:57 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Ubuntu 9.10 roaming mode In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20091209100420.019c1340@mail.omnitec.net> At 11:47 PM 12/8/2009 -0600, you wrote: >Ok this question is directed towards matt just because it can but i have a >friend thats trying to get wireless going on his netbook. He has the >broadcom driver installed and all that jazz but for some reason it seems >that "Enable Roaming Mode" option has disappeared from Network Manager in >9.10... any ideas how to get that setup? > >Matt Never seen 'Roaming Mode' on 0904 or 0910, on UNR. What function does 'Roaming Mode' provide? Would it now be in VPN? Lee From kevin at linuxsmith.com Wed Dec 9 11:16:39 2009 From: kevin at linuxsmith.com (Kevin C. Smith) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:16:39 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Ubuntu 9.10 roaming mode In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20091209100420.019c1340@mail.omnitec.net> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20091209100420.019c1340@mail.omnitec.net> Message-ID: <1260378999.3518.2.camel@lappy> I don't remember ever seeing this mode myself. Probably because I didn't use it, but wouldn't "roaming mode" simply mean connect automatically to the strongest Wireless signal? Probably to allow one to move between two access points without thinking. On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 10:05 -0600, L. V. Lammert wrote: > At 11:47 PM 12/8/2009 -0600, you wrote: > > >Ok this question is directed towards matt just because it can but i have a > >friend thats trying to get wireless going on his netbook. He has the > >broadcom driver installed and all that jazz but for some reason it seems > >that "Enable Roaming Mode" option has disappeared from Network Manager in > >9.10... any ideas how to get that setup? > > > >Matt > > Never seen 'Roaming Mode' on 0904 or 0910, on UNR. What function does > 'Roaming Mode' provide? Would it now be in VPN? > > Lee > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From lvl at omnitec.net Wed Dec 9 11:27:21 2009 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:27:21 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Ubuntu 9.10 roaming mode In-Reply-To: <1260378999.3518.2.camel@lappy> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20091209100420.019c1340@mail.omnitec.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20091209100420.019c1340@mail.omnitec.net> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20091209112552.019a3008@mail.omnitec.net> At 11:16 AM 12/9/2009 -0600, you wrote: >I don't remember ever seeing this mode myself. Probably because I didn't >use it, but wouldn't "roaming mode" simply mean connect automatically to >the strongest Wireless signal? Probably to allow one to move between two >access points without thinking. It already does that (at least UNR), ... the only problems I have seen with 9.10 are a 'reluctance' to switch to a new AP not in the current list, which can require rebooting. Lee From newz at bearfruit.org Wed Dec 9 11:44:18 2009 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 11:44:18 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Ubuntu 9.10 roaming mode In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20091209112552.019a3008@mail.omnitec.net> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20091209100420.019c1340@mail.omnitec.net> <1260378999.3518.2.camel@lappy> <4.3.2.7.2.20091209112552.019a3008@mail.omnitec.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 11:27 AM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > At 11:16 AM 12/9/2009 -0600, you wrote: >>I don't remember ever seeing this mode myself. Probably because I didn't >>use it, but wouldn't "roaming mode" simply mean connect automatically to >>the strongest Wireless signal? Probably to allow one to move between two >>access points without thinking. > > It already does that (at least UNR), ... the only problems I have seen with > 9.10 are a 'reluctance' to switch to a new AP not in the current list, > which can require rebooting. > Yes, I saw this too last week. I connected at the hotel, then suspended and went to the office and it didn't want to connect because it thought I was still at the hotel. I just had to wait for a min or suspend and resume. Not sure exactly what worked but it only seemed to happen for a short time. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter From tdwalton at gmail.com Wed Dec 9 11:58:29 2009 From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 11:58:29 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] cool renderings In-Reply-To: <3cf2fb6b0912081318md45889ah2725a0f333b3587f@mail.gmail.com> References: <3cf2fb6b0912081318md45889ah2725a0f333b3587f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Kenneth Younger wrote: > http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/week285.html Wow. Simply amazing, this world. -- Todd From djweis at internetsolver.com Wed Dec 9 12:30:06 2009 From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 12:30:06 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Windows IPSEC clients Message-ID: <4B1FECAE.8060600@internetsolver.com> Are there any decent free ones? I can't get the built-in one to negotiate the proper settings with the VPN device I'm trying to connect with. It seems to be missing about 20 choices for encryption and hashing. dave -- Dave Weis Internet Solver Your Technology Partner 515-224-9229 www.internetsolver.com From kevin at linuxsmith.com Wed Dec 9 12:57:04 2009 From: kevin at linuxsmith.com (Kevin C. Smith) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 12:57:04 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Ubuntu 9.10 roaming mode In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20091209100420.019c1340@mail.omnitec.net> <1260378999.3518.2.camel@lappy> <4.3.2.7.2.20091209112552.019a3008@mail.omnitec.net> Message-ID: <1260385024.3518.5.camel@lappy> On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 11:44 -0600, Matthew Nuzum wrote: > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 11:27 AM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > > At 11:16 AM 12/9/2009 -0600, you wrote: > >>I don't remember ever seeing this mode myself. Probably because I didn't > >>use it, but wouldn't "roaming mode" simply mean connect automatically to > >>the strongest Wireless signal? Probably to allow one to move between two > >>access points without thinking. > > > > It already does that (at least UNR), ... the only problems I have seen with > > 9.10 are a 'reluctance' to switch to a new AP not in the current list, > > which can require rebooting. > > > > Yes, I saw this too last week. I connected at the hotel, then > suspended and went to the office and it didn't want to connect because > it thought I was still at the hotel. I just had to wait for a min or > suspend and resume. Not sure exactly what worked but it only seemed to > happen for a short time. > "sudo service network-manager restart" probable will correct that also. From lvl at omnitec.net Wed Dec 9 13:00:10 2009 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:00:10 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Ubuntu 9.10 roaming mode In-Reply-To: <1260385024.3518.5.camel@lappy> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20091209100420.019c1340@mail.omnitec.net> <1260378999.3518.2.camel@lappy> <4.3.2.7.2.20091209112552.019a3008@mail.omnitec.net> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20091209125951.019ea688@mail.omnitec.net> At 12:57 PM 12/9/2009 -0600, you wrote: >On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 11:44 -0600, Matthew Nuzum wrote: > > > >"sudo service network-manager restart" probable will correct that also. Excellent - I'll give it a 'kick' next time it hangs! Lee From newz at bearfruit.org Wed Dec 9 14:47:28 2009 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 14:47:28 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] "Quickly" for building desktop apps Message-ID: I've tried on numerous occasions to build a Linux GUI app. Invariably it requires pulling a bunch of pieces together, and ultimately, for me, ends in frustration. There's always been too many disparate pieces and choices (and out of date docs, etc). But just now over my lunch break I made a full, complete app using "quickly" (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Quickly). It is just a little note-taking app that loads and saves data from CouchDB. I followed the tutorial you get after you install quickly, create a project and then run `quickly tutorial` from the project folder. From tdwalton at gmail.com Wed Dec 9 15:26:38 2009 From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:26:38 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] "Quickly" for building desktop apps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Matthew Nuzum wrote: > All of the work is done using graphical tools such as glade and gedit. > You don't need to make any decisions, it uses the rails-like mentality > of making decisions for you and letting you make changes later if > you're not happy with it. Sounds like what the Salon writer was talking about: http://www.salon.com/21st/feature/1998/05/cov_12feature.html/index.html -- Todd From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Wed Dec 9 22:21:30 2009 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 22:21:30 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Windows IPSEC clients In-Reply-To: <4B1FECAE.8060600@internetsolver.com> References: <4B1FECAE.8060600@internetsolver.com> Message-ID: You've probably resolved your issue but I ran across this today: http://www.shrew.net/software Ipsec VPN client for Windows, Linux and *BSDs -Nate > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org > [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Dave Weis > Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 12:30 PM > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > Subject: [Cialug] Windows IPSEC clients > > > Are there any decent free ones? I can't get the built-in one > to negotiate the proper settings with the VPN device I'm > trying to connect with. It seems to be missing about 20 > choices for encryption and hashing. > > dave > > > -- > Dave Weis > Internet Solver > Your Technology Partner > 515-224-9229 > www.internetsolver.com > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From robarooney at gmail.com Wed Dec 9 23:31:41 2009 From: robarooney at gmail.com (Rob Miller) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 23:31:41 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT -- Free to a good home -- Orinoco cards Message-ID: <1a1c07bd0912092131v62b72dfaqb5bb1923d609f69f@mail.gmail.com> I have two Orinoco wi-fi cards that I haven't used in several years. I would be glad to give them to someone on the mailing list. One is a "Gold" card and one is a "Silver" card. "Silver" says "11 Mbit/s". All I have are the cards ... no software or documentation. Just send me your address and I'll package them up and mail them to you. Rob Miller -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091209/d9e0aa17/attachment.htm From newz at bearfruit.org Thu Dec 10 10:05:54 2009 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:05:54 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Americans consume 34GB of information per day Message-ID: Wow, that's a lot. I definitely need a faster network connection. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Charline Date: Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 8:01 AM Subject: Information consumption! Information flow in a home, interesting! http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/12/09/study-americans-consume-34-gigabytes-of-information-per-day/ -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter From lvl at omnitec.net Thu Dec 10 11:17:10 2009 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:17:10 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Cialug] Compaq 6400 fans Message-ID: We had a failure last week of two cooling fan in one of our SLUUG servers, and it turns out that the tach sensor on the fan is something specific to Compaq. Don't suppose anyone has any 6400 fans laying around? Here are links to the Compaq parts: http://www.proliantfans.com/part/101947-001 http://www.proliantfans.com/part/158608-001 We did find one supplier that is selling just the fans, but he wants $55 per, and I'm not sure it's worth investing $150 + shipping in these machines.. TIA, Lee From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Thu Dec 10 11:37:54 2009 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:37:54 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Compaq 6400 fans In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Who was the supplier? Give Knut at serverworlds.com a call. They have had everything Proliant I have ever needed. New and used. What is SLUUG? -Nate > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org > [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of L. V. Lammert > Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 11:17 AM > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > Subject: [Cialug] Compaq 6400 fans > > We had a failure last week of two cooling fan in one of our > SLUUG servers, and it turns out that the tach sensor on the > fan is something specific to Compaq. > > Don't suppose anyone has any 6400 fans laying around? Here > are links to the Compaq parts: > > http://www.proliantfans.com/part/101947-001 > http://www.proliantfans.com/part/158608-001 > > We did find one supplier that is selling just the fans, but > he wants $55 per, and I'm not sure it's worth investing $150 > + shipping in these machines.. > > TIA, > > Lee > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From lvl at omnitec.net Thu Dec 10 11:39:16 2009 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:39:16 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Cialug] Compaq 6400 fans In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Dec 2009, Nathan C. Smith wrote: > Who was the supplier? Give Knut at serverworlds.com a call. They have > had everything Proliant I have ever needed. New and used. > Thanks! > What is SLUUG? > www.sluug.org Lee From mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu Thu Dec 10 11:46:05 2009 From: mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu (Mathew R. Phillips) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:46:05 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] [Update] Ubuntu 9.10 roaming mode References: <4.3.2.7.2.20091209100420.019c1340@mail.omnitec.net><1260378999.3518.2.camel@lappy><4.3.2.7.2.20091209112552.019a3008@mail.omnitec.net> Message-ID: Well my friend installed 9.04 on the netbook and the wireless worked flawlessly on the first boot. And from what you guys said earlier i do think the roaming mode is integrated in now and isn't explicitly set anymore. Although im not crazy i do remember it being there because i had to use it to get connected up here in the dorms at wartburg! Thanks for the help guys, Matt -----Original Message----- From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org on behalf of Matthew Nuzum Sent: Wed 12/9/2009 11:44 AM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] Ubuntu 9.10 roaming mode On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 11:27 AM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > At 11:16 AM 12/9/2009 -0600, you wrote: >>I don't remember ever seeing this mode myself. Probably because I didn't >>use it, but wouldn't "roaming mode" simply mean connect automatically to >>the strongest Wireless signal? Probably to allow one to move between two >>access points without thinking. > > It already does that (at least UNR), ... the only problems I have seen with > 9.10 are a 'reluctance' to switch to a new AP not in the current list, > which can require rebooting. > Yes, I saw this too last week. I connected at the hotel, then suspended and went to the office and it didn't want to connect because it thought I was still at the hotel. I just had to wait for a min or suspend and resume. Not sure exactly what worked but it only seemed to happen for a short time. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Put it in your yard and call it art. Your neighbors will never suspect that ugly piece of art is really your inbox from 1986 to 2005. (Just don't hit it with the lawnmower.) -Jeff On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Todd Walton wrote: > On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 8:36 AM, Dan Hockey wrote: >> Paperback v1.0 is a strange way to back up your data. >> http://www.ollydbg.de/ > > Sure! ?I have *lots* of room to store paper. ? > > -- > Todd > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From tdwalton at gmail.com Fri Dec 11 10:44:53 2009 From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:44:53 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Find Files with String Message-ID: Can anyone suggest a bash one liner to find all text files that have a certain string in them and print the names? I've been playing around with 'for-do-done', but I'm wondering now if maybe 'find' might be better. -- Todd From dave at dchamp.net Fri Dec 11 10:48:44 2009 From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:48:44 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Find Files with String In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B2277EC.7080204@dchamp.net> grep??? -dc Todd Walton wrote: > Can anyone suggest a bash one liner to find all text files that have a > certain string in them and print the names? > > I've been playing around with 'for-do-done', but I'm wondering now if > maybe 'find' might be better. > > -- > Todd > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > From sarxan at elxanzade.com Fri Dec 11 10:46:46 2009 From: sarxan at elxanzade.com (Sarkhan Elkhanzade) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:46:46 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Find Files with String In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <85c10d5a0912110846g1dfe7f7dnbb8df12dbfb8d507@mail.gmail.com> Try 'man strings'. 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But do you want robustness, or a one-liner? -- Paul Gray -o) 314 East Gym, Dept. of Computer Science /\\ University of Northern Iowa _\_V Message void if penguin violated ... Don't mess with the penguin No one says, "Hey, I can't read that ASCII attachment ya sent me." From tdwalton at gmail.com Fri Dec 11 10:50:16 2009 From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:50:16 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] data backup In-Reply-To: References: <727223620912110636w3c555207k2791cb5c05c3443c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Jeff Davis wrote: > This project needs just a little more work. > Change the format to include another dimension, then start > printing out your data with a 3-D printer. ?Put it in your yard > and call it art. ?Your neighbors will never suspect that ugly > piece of art is really your inbox from 1986 to 2005. I had a dream once that the Navy base I was on was a giant data storage mechanism. The buildings and roads and other infrastructure was laid out in such a way that a tower-mounted beam of some sort could point in a certain direction and read the physical stuff in that direction and it would be data. I remember dreaming that the cars and ships moving around would be treated using standard ways of correcting for errors. -- Todd From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Fri Dec 11 10:51:13 2009 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:51:13 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Find Files with String Message-ID: <4B2224210200002E0003B21E@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> Yep. grep -r "string" / Expect it to take a while and IO to spike. -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej at alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 >>> David Champion 12/11/09 10:46 AM >>> grep??? -dc Todd Walton wrote: > Can anyone suggest a bash one liner to find all text files that have a > certain string in them and print the names? > > I've been playing around with 'for-do-done', but I'm wondering now if > maybe 'find' might be better. > > -- > Todd > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From tdwalton at gmail.com Fri Dec 11 10:51:22 2009 From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:51:22 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Find Files with String In-Reply-To: <85c10d5a0912110846g1dfe7f7dnbb8df12dbfb8d507@mail.gmail.com> References: <85c10d5a0912110846g1dfe7f7dnbb8df12dbfb8d507@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Sarkhan Elkhanzade wrote: > Try 'man strings'. Probably it's exact command that you looking for. bash: strings: command not found I'm using cygwin and I think I didn't install it. -- Todd From tdwalton at gmail.com Fri Dec 11 10:55:32 2009 From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:55:32 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Find Files with String In-Reply-To: <4B227783.3090408@internetsolver.com> References: <4B227783.3090408@internetsolver.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Dave Weis wrote: > > find . -exec grep -H string {} \; Wouldn't that be the same as ' grep string * ' ? Well, I guess it wouldn't recurse. -- Todd From dave at 58ghz.net Fri Dec 11 11:08:15 2009 From: dave at 58ghz.net (Dave Hala Jr) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:08:15 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Find Files with String In-Reply-To: References: <4B227783.3090408@internetsolver.com> Message-ID: <1260551295.22223.55.camel@localcentos5> This recurses: grep "string-im-looking-for" -rn * On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 10:55 -0600, Todd Walton wrote: > On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Dave Weis wrote: > > > > find . -exec grep -H string {} \; > > Wouldn't that be the same as ' grep string * ' ? > > Well, I guess it wouldn't recurse. > > -- > Todd > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From tdwalton at gmail.com Fri Dec 11 11:04:18 2009 From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:04:18 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Find Files with String In-Reply-To: <4B2224210200002E0003B21E@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> References: <4B2224210200002E0003B21E@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Josh More wrote: > Yep. > > grep -r "string" / The problem there is that it prints the matched lines as well. I want just the names. I could put that output into cut though. That's it! grep "string" * | cut -d: -f1 -s -- Todd From me at digitaljeff.com Fri Dec 11 11:05:01 2009 From: me at digitaljeff.com (Jeff Davis) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:05:01 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] data backup In-Reply-To: References: <727223620912110636w3c555207k2791cb5c05c3443c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: That is the geekiest dream I've ever heard. -Jeff On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Todd Walton wrote: > On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Jeff Davis wrote: >> This project needs just a little more work. >> Change the format to include another dimension, then start >> printing out your data with a 3-D printer. ?Put it in your yard >> and call it art. ?Your neighbors will never suspect that ugly >> piece of art is really your inbox from 1986 to 2005. > > I had a dream once that the Navy base I was on was a giant data > storage mechanism. ?The buildings and roads and other infrastructure > was laid out in such a way that a tower-mounted beam of some sort > could point in a certain direction and read the physical stuff in that > direction and it would be data. ?I remember dreaming that the cars and > ships moving around would be treated using standard ways of correcting > for errors. > > -- > Todd > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Fri Dec 11 11:09:09 2009 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:09:09 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Find Files with String Message-ID: <4B2228560200002E0003B227@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> Or grep -rl "string" / :) It would, however, be wise to do as others have suggested and exclude /dev/, /proc/, /sys/ etc. Grepping /dev/zero might take a while. ;) -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej at alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 >>> Todd Walton 12/11/09 11:04 AM >>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Josh More wrote: > Yep. > > grep -r "string" / The problem there is that it prints the matched lines as well. I want just the names. I could put that output into cut though. That's it! grep "string" * | cut -d: -f1 -s -- Todd _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Fri Dec 11 11:27:58 2009 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:27:58 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] data backup In-Reply-To: References: <727223620912110636w3c555207k2791cb5c05c3443c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Did you wake up to discover you had been watching Tron? -----Original Message----- From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Todd Walton Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 10:50 AM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] data backup On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Jeff Davis wrote: > This project needs just a little more work. > Change the format to include another dimension, then start > printing out your data with a 3-D printer. ?Put it in your yard > and call it art. ?Your neighbors will never suspect that ugly > piece of art is really your inbox from 1986 to 2005. I had a dream once that the Navy base I was on was a giant data storage mechanism. The buildings and roads and other infrastructure was laid out in such a way that a tower-mounted beam of some sort could point in a certain direction and read the physical stuff in that direction and it would be data. I remember dreaming that the cars and ships moving around would be treated using standard ways of correcting for errors. -- Todd _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From tdwalton at gmail.com Fri Dec 11 11:46:24 2009 From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:46:24 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] data backup In-Reply-To: References: <727223620912110636w3c555207k2791cb5c05c3443c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Nathan C. Smith wrote: > Did you wake up to discover you had been watching Tron? No, I woke up to the sound of the hull creaking and the smell of hot-racking 20-man berthing. -- Todd From icepuck2k at gmail.com Fri Dec 11 17:03:30 2009 From: icepuck2k at gmail.com (Dan Hockey) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:03:30 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] data backup In-Reply-To: References: <727223620912110636w3c555207k2791cb5c05c3443c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <727223620912111503q66003d1j5e13b802771c8750@mail.gmail.com> just imagine if there was a usb punch card machine;=) On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Jeff Davis wrote: > This project needs just a little more work. > Change the format to include another dimension, then start > printing out your data with a 3-D printer. Put it in your yard > and call it art. Your neighbors will never suspect that ugly > piece of art is really your inbox from 1986 to 2005. > (Just don't hit it with the lawnmower.) > > -Jeff > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Todd Walton wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 8:36 AM, Dan Hockey wrote: > >> Paperback v1.0 is a strange way to back up your data. > >> http://www.ollydbg.de/ > > > > Sure! I have *lots* of room to store paper. > > > > -- > > Todd > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug at cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091211/bdecab79/attachment.htm From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Fri Dec 11 17:04:26 2009 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:04:26 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] data backup In-Reply-To: <727223620912111503q66003d1j5e13b802771c8750@mail.gmail.com> References: <727223620912110636w3c555207k2791cb5c05c3443c@mail.gmail.com> <727223620912111503q66003d1j5e13b802771c8750@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Yeah, it would be really fast! ________________________________ From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Dan Hockey Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 5:04 PM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] data backup just imagine if there was a usb punch card machine;=) On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Jeff Davis > wrote: This project needs just a little more work. Change the format to include another dimension, then start printing out your data with a 3-D printer. Put it in your yard and call it art. Your neighbors will never suspect that ugly piece of art is really your inbox from 1986 to 2005. (Just don't hit it with the lawnmower.) -Jeff On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Todd Walton > wrote: > On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 8:36 AM, Dan Hockey > wrote: >> Paperback v1.0 is a strange way to back up your data. >> http://www.ollydbg.de/ > > Sure! I have *lots* of room to store paper. > > -- > Todd > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Chris "This code forms some sort of argument in that debate, but I'm not sure whether it's for or against." - Tom Duff regarding Duff's Device From mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu Fri Dec 11 23:41:11 2009 From: mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu (Mathew R. Phillips) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:41:11 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Coding Horror Message-ID: Did anyone catch this http://superuser.com/questions/82036/recovering-a-lost-website-with-no-backup Jeff Atwood one of the founders of Stackoverflow and codinghorror had two of his sites get destroyed by his hosting provider after they experienced "100% data loss"....ouch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If I need to be, then that's missing the point" "looks like it's 100% internet search caches for recovery. Any tips on recovering images, which typically aren't cached?" "I had backups, mind you, but they were on the virtual machine itself :( I am OK on post-text, getting the post images is much harder.." "if you have any tips for recovering a website from internet caches (particularly *images*) please share here:http://is.gd/5k4fy" Then again, most things Atwood says is pretty hilarious to competent programmers. On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Mathew R. Phillips < mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu> wrote: > > Did anyone catch this > http://superuser.com/questions/82036/recovering-a-lost-website-with-no-backup > Jeff Atwood one of the founders of Stackoverflow and codinghorror had two > of his sites get destroyed by his hosting provider after they experienced > "100% data loss"....ouch > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091212/f8be3dbf/attachment.htm From dave at 58ghz.net Sat Dec 12 10:26:06 2009 From: dave at 58ghz.net (Dave Hala Jr) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:26:06 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] SSL Certs Message-ID: <1260635167.22223.65.camel@localcentos5> Anyone seen any wildcard SSL cert's from an authority that has a root cert already bundled in MS's browsers for less than ipsca's 1 year $276.00? :) Dave From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Sat Dec 12 16:40:41 2009 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 16:40:41 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] SSL Certs Message-ID: <4B23C7890200002E0003B25D@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> No, but I have seen cheaper multi-domain certs, if the number of domains you need is low. Look for "MultiDomain" or "SAN". -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej at alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 >>> Dave Hala Jr 12/12/09 10:20 AM >>> Anyone seen any wildcard SSL cert's from an authority that has a root cert already bundled in MS's browsers for less than ipsca's 1 year $276.00? :) Dave _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From newz at bearfruit.org Sat Dec 12 21:01:37 2009 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 21:01:37 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] SSL Certs In-Reply-To: <1260635167.22223.65.camel@localcentos5> References: <1260635167.22223.65.camel@localcentos5> Message-ID: I've used Rapid SSL in the past. Their wildcard is $199. http://www.rapidssl.com On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Dave Hala Jr wrote: > Anyone seen any wildcard SSL cert's from an authority that has a root > cert already bundled in MS's browsers for less than ipsca's 1 year > $276.00? > > > > :) Dave > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter From dave at 58ghz.net Sun Dec 13 08:52:12 2009 From: dave at 58ghz.net (Dave Hala Jr) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 08:52:12 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Coding Horror In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1260715932.22223.81.camel@localcentos5> What a load of bunk. "I pay my hosting provider to take care of this" (backups) Of all the developers on this list, how many of them farm their backups out to someone else, and don't have a current copy on hand? I'd be willing to bet that 99% of the people/companies on this list that make money from their sites have a backup(s). :) Dave On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 23:41 -0600, Mathew R. Phillips wrote: > > Did anyone catch this > http://superuser.com/questions/82036/recovering-a-lost-website-with-no-backup > Jeff Atwood one of the founders of Stackoverflow and codinghorror had > two of his sites get destroyed by his hosting provider after they > experienced > "100% data loss"....ouch > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From timchampion at gmail.com Sun Dec 13 12:41:45 2009 From: timchampion at gmail.com (Tim Champion) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 12:41:45 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] SSL Certs In-Reply-To: References: <1260635167.22223.65.camel@localcentos5> Message-ID: <7aa1cdb20912131041kbfe4df5x65d100ddbd802c0@mail.gmail.com> Even cheaper $150/ year for a 1 year wildcard SSL cert RapidSSL through Servertastic https://www.servertastic.com/order/rapidssl-wildcard/ I bought a 1 year 1 domain cert for $14/yr. It works with IE with now pop-up warnings. But think about this, at $14 per year, you could buy 10 certs for $140. So if you have more than 10 sub-domains, then a wildcard cert starts making sense. Tim Champion timchampion at gmail.com On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Matthew Nuzum wrote: > I've used Rapid SSL in the past. Their wildcard is $199. > http://www.rapidssl.com > > On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Dave Hala Jr wrote: > > Anyone seen any wildcard SSL cert's from an authority that has a root > > cert already bundled in MS's browsers for less than ipsca's 1 year > > $276.00? > > > > > > > > :) Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug at cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > > > > -- > Matthew Nuzum > newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091213/dfb8a881/attachment.htm From kristau at gmail.com Sun Dec 13 21:20:35 2009 From: kristau at gmail.com (kristau) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 21:20:35 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Coding Horror In-Reply-To: <1260715932.22223.81.camel@localcentos5> References: <1260715932.22223.81.camel@localcentos5> Message-ID: <3effba680912131920o685e6938m201471318db522dd@mail.gmail.com> IMHO, developers don't usually have very good system administration skills and systems administrators don't usually have very good software development skills. To be successful you either need both skill sets in one person or people with complimentary skill sets working together. -- Tired programmer Coding late into the night The core dump follows. From me at digitaljeff.com Sun Dec 13 21:46:16 2009 From: me at digitaljeff.com (Jeff Davis) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 21:46:16 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Coding Horror In-Reply-To: <3effba680912131920o685e6938m201471318db522dd@mail.gmail.com> References: <1260715932.22223.81.camel@localcentos5> <3effba680912131920o685e6938m201471318db522dd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B25B508.1000609@digitaljeff.com> Ken, I agree with you for the most part. The longer you are in the IT field as either a programmer/developer or sysadmin, I think you tend to develop some of those cross-trained skills. Even then you will always be a little better at one, depending on what your talent leans toward. I would expect a more green programmer to maybe not have learned to keep their own copy of the code, but someone who has been coding for several years should know better. That obviously will depend on your environment somewhat. If you work for a mid to large company your job might be compartmentalized enough that you don't even have the opportunity (on the job) to expand into some of those areas. Many of those folks will only learn those other skills if they're doing hobby IT or freelance work. -Jeff kristau wrote: > IMHO, developers don't usually have very good system administration > skills and systems administrators don't usually have very good > software development skills. To be successful you either need both > skill sets in one person or people with complimentary skill sets > working together. > > From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Sun Dec 13 22:45:35 2009 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:45:35 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Coding Horror Message-ID: <4B256E8F0200002E0003B292@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> I believe that the issue here is not keeping copies of code (which all developers should be good at), but keeping copies of content that has been generated over the years. Even among system administrators, I know very few people who are good at that. Even I only backup my various sites (web site, blog, wiki, livejournal, twitter, facebook, linkedin, super secret mailing lists) on a monthly basis... and I'm the only one I know who regularly backs up third party sites. I know I should do better, but really, it's just not as much of a priority as generating new content. -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej at alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 >>> Jeff Davis 12/13/09 10:37 PM >>> Ken, I agree with you for the most part. The longer you are in the IT field as either a programmer/developer or sysadmin, I think you tend to develop some of those cross-trained skills. Even then you will always be a little better at one, depending on what your talent leans toward. I would expect a more green programmer to maybe not have learned to keep their own copy of the code, but someone who has been coding for several years should know better. That obviously will depend on your environment somewhat. If you work for a mid to large company your job might be compartmentalized enough that you don't even have the opportunity (on the job) to expand into some of those areas. Many of those folks will only learn those other skills if they're doing hobby IT or freelance work. -Jeff kristau wrote: > IMHO, developers don't usually have very good system administration > skills and systems administrators don't usually have very good > software development skills. To be successful you either need both > skill sets in one person or people with complimentary skill sets > working together. > > _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From inflatablesoulmate at brothersofchaos.com Sun Dec 13 22:57:00 2009 From: inflatablesoulmate at brothersofchaos.com (Matt Stanton) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:57:00 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Coding Horror In-Reply-To: <4B256E8F0200002E0003B292@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> References: <4B256E8F0200002E0003B292@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: <4B25C59C.50408@brothersofchaos.com> I can't imagine not having a local copy of any website I'm working on handy... Even with my web server in the next room over, I've got a copy local to my desktop. Luckily, I'm not to the point yet where I have gone to saving all the content in a database (sometimes it helps not to know SQL?). Our gaming clan uses vBulletin, which is a forum package that saves everything (including images) in a MySQL database, plus all of our admin, stats, and ban data is saved to a MySQL database, so knowing how to dump an SQL database to a file backup is pretty important (I really hope our database guy does this, come to think of it). I believe most cpanel-style web host control panels allow you to click a button to download a backup of all your databases that are included with the hosting of your website, but that's just a guess since I've never had access to any of those panels before. The TCAdmin game server control panel would allow up to download backups of the database that saved all the information bout the different servers that were being administered by it, but we no longer feel the need to pay for TCAdmin anymore. Josh More wrote: > I believe that the issue here is not keeping copies of code (which all > developers should be good at), but keeping copies of content that has > been generated over the years. Even among system administrators, I know > very few people who are good at that. > > Even I only backup my various sites (web site, blog, wiki, livejournal, > twitter, facebook, linkedin, super secret mailing lists) on a monthly > basis... and I'm the only one I know who regularly backs up third party > sites. I know I should do better, but really, it's just not as much of > a priority as generating new content. > > > > > > -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC > morej at alliancetechnologies.net > 515-245-7701 > > >>>> Jeff Davis 12/13/09 10:37 PM >>> >>>> > Ken, I agree with you for the most part. > The longer you are in the IT field as either a programmer/developer or > sysadmin, > I think you tend to develop some of those cross-trained skills. Even > then you > will always be a little better at one, depending on what your talent > leans toward. > > I would expect a more green programmer to maybe not have learned to keep > their own > copy of the code, but someone who has been coding for several years > should know better. > That obviously will depend on your environment somewhat. If you work > for a > mid to large company your job might be compartmentalized enough that you > don't even have the opportunity (on the job) to expand into some of > those areas. > Many of those folks will only learn those other skills if they're doing > hobby IT or freelance work. > > -Jeff > > > kristau wrote: > >> IMHO, developers don't usually have very good system administration >> skills and systems administrators don't usually have very good >> software development skills. To be successful you either need both >> skill sets in one person or people with complimentary skill sets >> working together. >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > From newz at bearfruit.org Mon Dec 14 08:52:28 2009 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 08:52:28 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Coding Horror In-Reply-To: <1260715932.22223.81.camel@localcentos5> References: <1260715932.22223.81.camel@localcentos5> Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Dave Hala Jr wrote: > I'd be willing to bet that 99% of the people/companies on this list that > make money from their sites have a backup(s). > How much are we betting here? I think I'll take you up* on that wager. :-) *assuming "backup" means recent, complete and can be restored from. Remember, human nature dictates that if it's not fully automated then sometimes it's not going to happen. How many people, even techies and geeks like us, have an automated backup solution for their website and database from their hosting provider's server? I suspect more than 1% of the professionals who outsource their hosting, and even more than 1% of those who have their own servers, would lose some data if they had to rebuild their website *right now* entirely from backups. Wow, just in proof reading this I realize that means even test restores should be automated or they're also probably not going to get verified at regular intervals. The last time I tested my backups was the last time I needed to restore. And it was two stressful days and I never did successfully restore my mailman configuration. :-( /me goes to check his backups now -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter From doncady at gmail.com Mon Dec 14 12:02:25 2009 From: doncady at gmail.com (Don Cady) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:02:25 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Coding Horror In-Reply-To: <4B256E8F0200002E0003B292@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> References: <4B256E8F0200002E0003B292@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 10:45 PM, Josh More wrote: > Even I only backup my various sites (web site, blog, wiki, livejournal, > twitter, facebook, linkedin, super secret mailing lists) on a monthly Can we assume those are your super secret squirrel mailing lists, then? . . . . . bazinga! Don ps. To add the slightest bit substantially; I agree w/ Ken and Jeff. Market forces have split these two branches of computer science so those vertically focused in one don't often think about the other. Having folks who think across the branches is best, but they are not common. Not entirely rare, but not common either. From barry at vonahsen.com Mon Dec 14 12:40:39 2009 From: barry at vonahsen.com (Barry Von Ahsen) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:40:39 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Coding Horror In-Reply-To: References: <1260715932.22223.81.camel@localcentos5> Message-ID: <4B2686A7.1010902@vonahsen.com> I do (now), mostly because I went from static html/php with a copy on my laptop and my file server to an all-in-the-DB cms platform it's already been mentioned, but that's a big difference. it's easy to cron up an rsync script to get files, but it's a bit more (but not much, if you're thinking about it) to get a mysqldump in there too I don't know the details of his hosting plan, but if he was supposed to get backups, then it's totally the provider's fault (although, maybe 100% data loss includes the backup server). if it was his duty, then maybe he got what he deserved - says me in the "those who have lost data" half of linux users. -barry Matthew Nuzum wrote: > On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Dave Hala Jr wrote: >> I'd be willing to bet that 99% of the people/companies on this list that >> make money from their sites have a backup(s). >> > > How much are we betting here? I think I'll take you up* on that wager. :-) > > *assuming "backup" means recent, complete and can be restored from. > > Remember, human nature dictates that if it's not fully automated then > sometimes it's not going to happen. How many people, even techies and > geeks like us, have an automated backup solution for their website and > database from their hosting provider's server? I suspect more than 1% > of the professionals who outsource their hosting, and even more than > 1% of those who have their own servers, would lose some data if they > had to rebuild their website *right now* entirely from backups. > > Wow, just in proof reading this I realize that means even test > restores should be automated or they're also probably not going to get > verified at regular intervals. The last time I tested my backups was > the last time I needed to restore. And it was two stressful days and I > never did successfully restore my mailman configuration. :-( > > /me goes to check his backups now > From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Mon Dec 14 12:54:20 2009 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:54:20 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Meeting Reminder - Wednesday Message-ID: <4B26357C0200002E0003B2FF@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> This is just a reminder that we do have a meeting this Wednesday. The default topic is Networking, assuming no one has anything more interesting. To be frank, all I know about networking generally involves circumventing protocols, so if any of you have any good topics on that front, this will be a good meeting to bring up such things. -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej at alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 From mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu Mon Dec 14 13:31:39 2009 From: mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu (Mathew R. Phillips) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:31:39 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] manually remove package kubuntu 9.10 Message-ID: Ok...so I've had flash working since i got 9.10 installed on my computer. The other day i did some updates and now its saying that flash is not installed anymore. I've tried some forum postings and i can't seem to get anything working. And to make things worse I have a messed up flashplugin-nonfree package that i cannot fully remove right now. The following packages will be REMOVED: flashplugin-nonfree 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded. 2 not fully installed or removed. After this operation, 160kB disk space will be freed. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? Y dpkg: error processing flashplugin-nonfree (--remove): Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal. Errors were encountered while processing: flashplugin-nonfree E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) Does anyone know how to manually get rid of a package without using kpackagekit or apt? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091214/7ee91841/attachment.htm From dave at dchamp.net Mon Dec 14 14:03:54 2009 From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:03:54 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Coding Horror In-Reply-To: <4B25C59C.50408@brothersofchaos.com> References: <4B256E8F0200002E0003B292@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> <4B25C59C.50408@brothersofchaos.com> Message-ID: <4B269A2A.206@dchamp.net> It's not hard at all to backup mysql: mysqldump -u my-username --password my-password database-name > database-name.dump or, use --all-databases in place of database-name. You can cron it to run daily, put a date stamp in the dump file name... tada, you have a backup. Please note that if you're including the user/pass in a script, then you should set the permissions so not everybody can read the file. -dc Matt Stanton wrote: > I can't imagine not having a local copy of any website I'm working on > handy... Even with my web server in the next room over, I've got a copy > local to my desktop. Luckily, I'm not to the point yet where I have > gone to saving all the content in a database (sometimes it helps not to > know SQL?). Our gaming clan uses vBulletin, which is a forum package > that saves everything (including images) in a MySQL database, plus all > of our admin, stats, and ban data is saved to a MySQL database, so > knowing how to dump an SQL database to a file backup is pretty important > (I really hope our database guy does this, come to think of it). I > believe most cpanel-style web host control panels allow you to click a > button to download a backup of all your databases that are included with > the hosting of your website, but that's just a guess since I've never > had access to any of those panels before. The TCAdmin game server > control panel would allow up to download backups of the database that > saved all the information bout the different servers that were being > administered by it, but we no longer feel the need to pay for TCAdmin > anymore. > > Josh More wrote: > >> I believe that the issue here is not keeping copies of code (which all >> developers should be good at), but keeping copies of content that has >> been generated over the years. Even among system administrators, I know >> very few people who are good at that. >> >> Even I only backup my various sites (web site, blog, wiki, livejournal, >> twitter, facebook, linkedin, super secret mailing lists) on a monthly >> basis... and I'm the only one I know who regularly backs up third party >> sites. I know I should do better, but really, it's just not as much of >> a priority as generating new content. >> >> >> >> >> >> -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC >> morej at alliancetechnologies.net >> 515-245-7701 >> >> >> >>>>> Jeff Davis 12/13/09 10:37 PM >>> >>>>> >>>>> >> Ken, I agree with you for the most part. >> The longer you are in the IT field as either a programmer/developer or >> sysadmin, >> I think you tend to develop some of those cross-trained skills. Even >> then you >> will always be a little better at one, depending on what your talent >> leans toward. >> >> I would expect a more green programmer to maybe not have learned to keep >> their own >> copy of the code, but someone who has been coding for several years >> should know better. >> That obviously will depend on your environment somewhat. If you work >> for a >> mid to large company your job might be compartmentalized enough that you >> don't even have the opportunity (on the job) to expand into some of >> those areas. >> Many of those folks will only learn those other skills if they're doing >> hobby IT or freelance work. >> >> -Jeff >> >> >> kristau wrote: >> >> >>> IMHO, developers don't usually have very good system administration >>> skills and systems administrators don't usually have very good >>> software development skills. To be successful you either need both >>> skill sets in one person or people with complimentary skill sets >>> working together. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug at cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug at cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > From sarxan at elxanzade.com Mon Dec 14 14:13:08 2009 From: sarxan at elxanzade.com (Sarkhan Elkhanzade) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:13:08 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] manually remove package kubuntu 9.10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <85c10d5a0912141213q1b1e1da3j4bb71c054eca45ad@mail.gmail.com> Did you tried 'dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq "package name" ' ? Sarkhan Elkhanzade On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Mathew R. Phillips < mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu> wrote: > > Ok...so I've had flash working since i got 9.10 installed on my computer. > The other day i did some updates and now its saying that flash is not > installed anymore. I've tried some forum postings and i can't seem to get > anything working. And to make things worse I have a messed up > flashplugin-nonfree package that i cannot fully remove right now. > > The following packages will be REMOVED: > flashplugin-nonfree > 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded. > 2 not fully installed or removed. > After this operation, 160kB disk space will be freed. > Do you want to continue [Y/n]? Y > dpkg: error processing flashplugin-nonfree (--remove): > Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should > reinstall it before attempting a removal. > Errors were encountered while processing: > flashplugin-nonfree > E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) > > Does anyone know how to manually get rid of a package without using > kpackagekit or apt? > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091214/8565290a/attachment.htm From dave at 58ghz.net Mon Dec 14 15:05:12 2009 From: dave at 58ghz.net (Dave Hala Jr) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:05:12 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Coding Horror In-Reply-To: <4B269A2A.206@dchamp.net> References: <4B256E8F0200002E0003B292@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> <4B25C59C.50408@brothersofchaos.com> <4B269A2A.206@dchamp.net> Message-ID: <1260824712.22223.118.camel@localcentos5> Setup SCP to authenicate using a certificates, do a mysqldump, tar up the dump and scp it to a remote server. On Mon, 2009-12-14 at 14:03 -0600, David Champion wrote: > It's not hard at all to backup mysql: > > mysqldump -u my-username --password my-password database-name > > database-name.dump > > or, use --all-databases in place of database-name. > > You can cron it to run daily, put a date stamp in the dump file name... > tada, you have a backup. > > Please note that if you're including the user/pass in a script, then you > should set the permissions so not everybody can read the file. > > -dc > > Matt Stanton wrote: > > I can't imagine not having a local copy of any website I'm working on > > handy... Even with my web server in the next room over, I've got a copy > > local to my desktop. Luckily, I'm not to the point yet where I have > > gone to saving all the content in a database (sometimes it helps not to > > know SQL?). Our gaming clan uses vBulletin, which is a forum package > > that saves everything (including images) in a MySQL database, plus all > > of our admin, stats, and ban data is saved to a MySQL database, so > > knowing how to dump an SQL database to a file backup is pretty important > > (I really hope our database guy does this, come to think of it). I > > believe most cpanel-style web host control panels allow you to click a > > button to download a backup of all your databases that are included with > > the hosting of your website, but that's just a guess since I've never > > had access to any of those panels before. The TCAdmin game server > > control panel would allow up to download backups of the database that > > saved all the information bout the different servers that were being > > administered by it, but we no longer feel the need to pay for TCAdmin > > anymore. > > > > Josh More wrote: > > > >> I believe that the issue here is not keeping copies of code (which all > >> developers should be good at), but keeping copies of content that has > >> been generated over the years. Even among system administrators, I know > >> very few people who are good at that. > >> > >> Even I only backup my various sites (web site, blog, wiki, livejournal, > >> twitter, facebook, linkedin, super secret mailing lists) on a monthly > >> basis... and I'm the only one I know who regularly backs up third party > >> sites. I know I should do better, but really, it's just not as much of > >> a priority as generating new content. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC > >> morej at alliancetechnologies.net > >> 515-245-7701 > >> > >> > >> > >>>>> Jeff Davis 12/13/09 10:37 PM >>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >> Ken, I agree with you for the most part. > >> The longer you are in the IT field as either a programmer/developer or > >> sysadmin, > >> I think you tend to develop some of those cross-trained skills. Even > >> then you > >> will always be a little better at one, depending on what your talent > >> leans toward. > >> > >> I would expect a more green programmer to maybe not have learned to keep > >> their own > >> copy of the code, but someone who has been coding for several years > >> should know better. > >> That obviously will depend on your environment somewhat. If you work > >> for a > >> mid to large company your job might be compartmentalized enough that you > >> don't even have the opportunity (on the job) to expand into some of > >> those areas. > >> Many of those folks will only learn those other skills if they're doing > >> hobby IT or freelance work. > >> > >> -Jeff > >> > >> > >> kristau wrote: > >> > >> > >>> IMHO, developers don't usually have very good system administration > >>> skills and systems administrators don't usually have very good > >>> software development skills. To be successful you either need both > >>> skill sets in one person or people with complimentary skill sets > >>> working together. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Cialug mailing list > >> Cialug at cialug.org > >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Cialug mailing list > >> Cialug at cialug.org > >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > >> > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug at cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From albus at iowaconnect.com Mon Dec 14 15:34:52 2009 From: albus at iowaconnect.com (albus) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:34:52 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Ip forward question Message-ID: I've got a new proxy arp firewall setup with CentOS 5.4 It has only 2 nics. I've run echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth0/proxy_arp echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth1/proxy_arp And it all works. However every time I service network restart or reboot it drops forwarding until I re-issue the 2 echo lines. Something is over writing it. From what I've Googled it's a problem others have had as well. But I haven't run in to how to make it permanant. I'm about to just include the 2 echo lines in /etc/rc.local But I'd rather know where to make it stick instead. Any ideas? From tom at tcpconsulting.com Mon Dec 14 15:39:47 2009 From: tom at tcpconsulting.com (Tom Pohl) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:39:47 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Ip forward question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You can always change the default in sysctl.conf net.ipv4.conf.default.proxy_arp = 1 BUT that may have unintended consequences depending on if you want to do proxy_arp on all interfaces or just your select 2! -Tom On Dec 14, 2009, at 3:34 PM, albus wrote: > I've got a new proxy arp firewall setup with CentOS 5.4 > > It has only 2 nics. > > I've run > echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth0/proxy_arp > echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth1/proxy_arp > > And it all works. However every time I service network restart or reboot it drops forwarding > until I re-issue the 2 echo lines. > > Something is over writing it. From what I've Googled it's a problem others have had as well. But > I haven't run in to how to make it permanant. > > I'm about to just include the 2 echo lines in /etc/rc.local > But I'd rather know where to make it stick instead. > > Any ideas? > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Mon Dec 14 15:39:53 2009 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:39:53 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Ip forward question Message-ID: <4B265C490200002E0003B32F@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> Can't you set them in sysctl.conf? -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej at alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 >>> "albus" 12/14/09 3:35 PM >>> I've got a new proxy arp firewall setup with CentOS 5.4 It has only 2 nics. I've run echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth0/proxy_arp echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth1/proxy_arp And it all works. However every time I service network restart or reboot it drops forwarding until I re-issue the 2 echo lines. Something is over writing it. From what I've Googled it's a problem others have had as well. But I haven't run in to how to make it permanant. I'm about to just include the 2 echo lines in /etc/rc.local But I'd rather know where to make it stick instead. Any ideas? _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From albus at iowaconnect.com Mon Dec 14 15:51:47 2009 From: albus at iowaconnect.com (albus) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:51:47 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Ip forward question References: Message-ID: <63532A6FE63C4C838FD0CC451F1A5EE2@RayJ> That at least leaves it turned on when I restart the network. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Pohl" To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [Cialug] Ip forward question > You can always change the default in sysctl.conf > net.ipv4.conf.default.proxy_arp = 1 > > BUT that may have unintended consequences depending on if you want to do proxy_arp on all interfaces or just your select 2! > > -Tom > > > On Dec 14, 2009, at 3:34 PM, albus wrote: > >> I've got a new proxy arp firewall setup with CentOS 5.4 >> >> It has only 2 nics. >> >> I've run >> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth0/proxy_arp >> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth1/proxy_arp >> >> And it all works. However every time I service network restart or reboot it drops forwarding >> until I re-issue the 2 echo lines. >> >> Something is over writing it. From what I've Googled it's a problem others have had as well. But >> I haven't run in to how to make it permanant. >> >> I'm about to just include the 2 echo lines in /etc/rc.local >> But I'd rather know where to make it stick instead. >> >> Any ideas? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug at cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > From djweis at internetsolver.com Mon Dec 14 15:54:42 2009 From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:54:42 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Ip forward question In-Reply-To: <63532A6FE63C4C838FD0CC451F1A5EE2@RayJ> References: <63532A6FE63C4C838FD0CC451F1A5EE2@RayJ> Message-ID: <4B26B422.4070105@internetsolver.com> Files in /proc aren't real on-disk files, it's a way to pass commands to the kernel and read the state of things from the kernel. That's why they go back to the default after a reboot. The sysctl route works because a program reads that file on boot and makes the same changes as echo 1 does. albus wrote: > That at least leaves it turned on when I restart the network. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Pohl" > To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" > Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 3:39 PM > Subject: Re: [Cialug] Ip forward question > > >> You can always change the default in sysctl.conf >> net.ipv4.conf.default.proxy_arp = 1 >> >> BUT that may have unintended consequences depending on if you want to do proxy_arp on all interfaces or just your select 2! >> >> -Tom >> >> >> On Dec 14, 2009, at 3:34 PM, albus wrote: >> >>> I've got a new proxy arp firewall setup with CentOS 5.4 >>> >>> It has only 2 nics. >>> >>> I've run >>> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth0/proxy_arp >>> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth1/proxy_arp >>> >>> And it all works. However every time I service network restart or reboot it drops forwarding >>> until I re-issue the 2 echo lines. >>> >>> Something is over writing it. From what I've Googled it's a problem others have had as well. But >>> I haven't run in to how to make it permanant. >>> >>> I'm about to just include the 2 echo lines in /etc/rc.local >>> But I'd rather know where to make it stick instead. >>> >>> Any ideas? >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Cialug mailing list >>> Cialug at cialug.org >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug at cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -- Dave Weis 515-224-9229 djweis at internetsolver.com http://www.internetsolver.com/ Please check out our Complete Support Service http://www.internetsolver.com/completesupport/ From albus at iowaconnect.com Mon Dec 14 15:56:58 2009 From: albus at iowaconnect.com (albus) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:56:58 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Ip forward question References: <63532A6FE63C4C838FD0CC451F1A5EE2@RayJ> <4B26B422.4070105@internetsolver.com> Message-ID: <65220455E351429392B9205046D4F38D@RayJ> Okay. that why. It's working now. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Weis" To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [Cialug] Ip forward question > > Files in /proc aren't real on-disk files, it's a way to pass commands to > the kernel and read the state of things from the kernel. That's why they > go back to the default after a reboot. The sysctl route works because a > program reads that file on boot and makes the same changes as echo 1 does. > > albus wrote: >> That at least leaves it turned on when I restart the network. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tom Pohl" >> To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" >> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 3:39 PM >> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Ip forward question >> >> >>> You can always change the default in sysctl.conf >>> net.ipv4.conf.default.proxy_arp = 1 >>> >>> BUT that may have unintended consequences depending on if you want to do proxy_arp on all interfaces or just your select 2! >>> >>> -Tom >>> >>> >>> On Dec 14, 2009, at 3:34 PM, albus wrote: >>> >>>> I've got a new proxy arp firewall setup with CentOS 5.4 >>>> >>>> It has only 2 nics. >>>> >>>> I've run >>>> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth0/proxy_arp >>>> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth1/proxy_arp >>>> >>>> And it all works. However every time I service network restart or reboot it drops forwarding >>>> until I re-issue the 2 echo lines. >>>> >>>> Something is over writing it. From what I've Googled it's a problem others have had as well. But >>>> I haven't run in to how to make it permanant. >>>> >>>> I'm about to just include the 2 echo lines in /etc/rc.local >>>> But I'd rather know where to make it stick instead. >>>> >>>> Any ideas? >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Cialug mailing list >>>> Cialug at cialug.org >>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Cialug mailing list >>> Cialug at cialug.org >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug at cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > > > -- > Dave Weis > 515-224-9229 > djweis at internetsolver.com > http://www.internetsolver.com/ > Please check out our Complete Support Service > http://www.internetsolver.com/completesupport/ > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > From barry at vonahsen.com Mon Dec 14 16:00:18 2009 From: barry at vonahsen.com (Barry Von Ahsen) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:00:18 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Ip forward question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B26B572.2050502@vonahsen.com> tack 'em on the bottom of /etc/init.d/network with some comment about #stupid RH networking, grumble grumble ? then forget about it for six months until there's an update that clobbers your changes -barry Tom Pohl wrote: > You can always change the default in sysctl.conf > net.ipv4.conf.default.proxy_arp = 1 > > BUT that may have unintended consequences depending on if you want to do proxy_arp on all interfaces or just your select 2! > > -Tom > > > On Dec 14, 2009, at 3:34 PM, albus wrote: > >> I've got a new proxy arp firewall setup with CentOS 5.4 >> >> It has only 2 nics. >> >> I've run >> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth0/proxy_arp >> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth1/proxy_arp >> >> And it all works. However every time I service network restart or reboot it drops forwarding >> until I re-issue the 2 echo lines. >> >> Something is over writing it. From what I've Googled it's a problem others have had as well. But >> I haven't run in to how to make it permanant. >> >> I'm about to just include the 2 echo lines in /etc/rc.local >> But I'd rather know where to make it stick instead. >> >> Any ideas? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug at cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cniesen at gmx.net Mon Dec 14 15:59:04 2009 From: cniesen at gmx.net (Claus) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:59:04 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Qwest and Mediacom Internet Service Advice In-Reply-To: <4B1AE927.9030603@foxmediasystems.com> References: <806AFC0F-8D53-48D7-8F69-BE26A38B10D6@gmail.com> <4B1AE927.9030603@foxmediasystems.com> Message-ID: <4B26B528.1090907@gmx.net> > With DSL you pay for the bandwidth which means you don't share with your > neighbors I know I'm late but just wanted to mention that that's bull. I always believed the same until I got screwed. Your DSL line might still be congested if your neighborhood is using a lot of bandwidth. And Qwest doesn't guarantee anything either. Just read my earlier mails on CIALUG. Good luck, Claus From dave at dchamp.net Mon Dec 14 16:08:11 2009 From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:08:11 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Ip forward question In-Reply-To: <4B26B572.2050502@vonahsen.com> References: <4B26B572.2050502@vonahsen.com> Message-ID: <4B26B74B.5030804@dchamp.net> Ideally... it would be nice if there were an option in the /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts config files (where redhat-ish distros put the networking stuff), but I guess you can't have those do every possible networking combination... ;) I'm assuming you ran the network config admin tool and checked for a proxy_arp option? You might also see if one of the alternatative admin tools like Webmin will do the config you're looking for, and see where it writes the change. -dc Barry Von Ahsen wrote: > tack 'em on the bottom of /etc/init.d/network with some comment about > #stupid RH networking, grumble grumble ? > > then forget about it for six months until there's an update that > clobbers your changes > > > -barry > > > Tom Pohl wrote: > >> You can always change the default in sysctl.conf >> net.ipv4.conf.default.proxy_arp = 1 >> >> BUT that may have unintended consequences depending on if you want to do proxy_arp on all interfaces or just your select 2! >> >> -Tom >> >> >> On Dec 14, 2009, at 3:34 PM, albus wrote: >> >> >>> I've got a new proxy arp firewall setup with CentOS 5.4 >>> >>> It has only 2 nics. >>> >>> I've run >>> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth0/proxy_arp >>> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth1/proxy_arp >>> >>> And it all works. However every time I service network restart or reboot it drops forwarding >>> until I re-issue the 2 echo lines. >>> >>> Something is over writing it. From what I've Googled it's a problem others have had as well. But >>> I haven't run in to how to make it permanant. >>> >>> I'm about to just include the 2 echo lines in /etc/rc.local >>> But I'd rather know where to make it stick instead. >>> >>> Any ideas? >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Cialug mailing list >>> Cialug at cialug.org >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug at cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > From me at digitaljeff.com Mon Dec 14 16:06:43 2009 From: me at digitaljeff.com (Jeff Davis) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:06:43 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Coding Horror In-Reply-To: <1260824712.22223.118.camel@localcentos5> References: <4B256E8F0200002E0003B292@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> <4B25C59C.50408@brothersofchaos.com> <4B269A2A.206@dchamp.net> <1260824712.22223.118.camel@localcentos5> Message-ID: Dave... I thought we were supposed to do the mysqldump, tar it up, then print it out onto paper for storage at your place? ;-) On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Dave Hala Jr wrote: > > Setup SCP to authenicate using a certificates, do a mysqldump, tar ?up > the dump and scp it to a remote server. > > From dave at 58ghz.net Mon Dec 14 16:16:12 2009 From: dave at 58ghz.net (Dave Hala Jr) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:16:12 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Coding Horror In-Reply-To: References: <4B256E8F0200002E0003B292@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> <4B25C59C.50408@brothersofchaos.com> <4B269A2A.206@dchamp.net> <1260824712.22223.118.camel@localcentos5> Message-ID: <1260828972.22223.132.camel@localcentos5> Yes, but only print it on recycled paper. On Mon, 2009-12-14 at 16:06 -0600, Jeff Davis wrote: > Dave... I thought we were supposed to do the mysqldump, tar it up, then > print it out onto paper for storage at your place? ;-) > > > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Dave Hala Jr wrote: > > > > Setup SCP to authenicate using a certificates, do a mysqldump, tar up > > the dump and scp it to a remote server. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From chapinjeff at gmail.com Mon Dec 14 16:12:39 2009 From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:12:39 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Coding Horror In-Reply-To: <1260828972.22223.132.camel@localcentos5> References: <4B256E8F0200002E0003B292@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> <4B25C59C.50408@brothersofchaos.com> <4B269A2A.206@dchamp.net> <1260824712.22223.118.camel@localcentos5> <1260828972.22223.132.camel@localcentos5> Message-ID: <4B26B857.9010701@gmail.com> For security's sake, you should print on one of these: http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/looflirpa/shrinter.shtml Dave Hala Jr wrote: > Yes, but only print it on recycled paper. > > On Mon, 2009-12-14 at 16:06 -0600, Jeff Davis wrote: > >> Dave... I thought we were supposed to do the mysqldump, tar it up, then >> print it out onto paper for storage at your place? ;-) >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Dave Hala Jr wrote: >> >>> Setup SCP to authenicate using a certificates, do a mysqldump, tar up >>> the dump and scp it to a remote server. >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug at cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From tim_linux at wilson-home.com Mon Dec 14 16:18:24 2009 From: tim_linux at wilson-home.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:18:24 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Coding Horror In-Reply-To: <4B26B857.9010701@gmail.com> References: <4B256E8F0200002E0003B292@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> <4B25C59C.50408@brothersofchaos.com> <4B269A2A.206@dchamp.net> <1260824712.22223.118.camel@localcentos5> <1260828972.22223.132.camel@localcentos5> <4B26B857.9010701@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5a9568c20912141418g42e1394fl73ec48c3184ece2b@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Jeff Chapin wrote: > For security's sake, you should print on one of these: > http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/looflirpa/shrinter.shtml That reminds me of something we did as a joke at my first job out of college. We rolled a printer over to the shredder, so anything that came out of it would go right into the shredder. Just for that extra security measure. :) > > > Dave Hala Jr wrote: > > Yes, but only print it on recycled paper. > > > > On Mon, 2009-12-14 at 16:06 -0600, Jeff Davis wrote: > > > >> Dave... I thought we were supposed to do the mysqldump, tar it up, then > >> print it out onto paper for storage at your place? ;-) > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Dave Hala Jr wrote: > >> > >>> Setup SCP to authenicate using a certificates, do a mysqldump, tar up > >>> the dump and scp it to a remote server. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Cialug mailing list > >> Cialug at cialug.org > >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug at cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -- Tim Required reading: http://bccplease.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091214/30952776/attachment.htm From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Mon Dec 14 16:24:43 2009 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:24:43 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Qwest and Mediacom Internet Service Advice Message-ID: <4B2666CB0200002E0003B33D@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> Yes, your DSL may get congested... but with DSL I can't sniff my neighbor's traffic, which is sad for me, but it means that they also can't sniff mine... which is why I'm on DSL. -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej at alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 >>> Claus 12/14/09 3:59 PM >>> > With DSL you pay for the bandwidth which means you don't share with your > neighbors I know I'm late but just wanted to mention that that's bull. I always believed the same until I got screwed. Your DSL line might still be congested if your neighborhood is using a lot of bandwidth. And Qwest doesn't guarantee anything either. Just read my earlier mails on CIALUG. Good luck, Claus _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Mon Dec 14 19:44:25 2009 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:44:25 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Jobs Message-ID: <4B2695990200002E0003B34A@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> These jobs are not at Alliance, but you know, both Linux jobs and Linux people are few and far between, so if you think you have a chance, you should probably apply. If you are interested in either, please contact Kristi at < kobrien -at- thepalmergroup -dot- com > Red Hat Linux Engineer (mid or senior level expert) 3+ years of experience with RHEL The candidate will be responsible for engineering,upgrading, troubleshooting and tuning the Red Hat Linux environment. This willinclude disk space management, supporting disaster recovery, working with thearchitecture group, capacity planning, third level server support and providingtechnical expertise on projects. Red Hat Linux Manager 5-8 years of experience with RHEL and management experience(hands on tech lead/manager) The manager will be responsible for a small team ofEngineers and a technical lead. Experience with email server administration aplus. These are both full time positions with excellent benefits. -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej at alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 From tdwalton at gmail.com Tue Dec 15 05:49:37 2009 From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 05:49:37 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Jobs In-Reply-To: <4B2695990200002E0003B34A@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> References: <4B2695990200002E0003B34A@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Josh More wrote: > These jobs are not at Alliance, but you know, both Linux jobs and Linux > people are few and far between, so if you think you have a chance, you > should probably apply. I have a theory about why... > Red Hat Linux Engineer (mid or senior level expert) > 3+ years of experience with RHEL How's a person supposed to get to the mid or senior level, when entry level does not exist in Unixland? When's the last time you saw an entry level Unix/Linux job posting? -- Todd From ckulish at shazam.net Tue Dec 15 05:58:18 2009 From: ckulish at shazam.net (Kulish, Chris) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 05:58:18 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Jobs In-Reply-To: References: <4B2695990200002E0003B34A@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: <0EBF76EBDA01C04F8D281DE3992D43DA0719C04D@jn-exch2.Shazam.net> I think the lack of entry level positions is due to most companies start with "let's try linux" and assign a, usually, Windows admin to the job. That's how I crossed into unix/linux. -----Original Message----- From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Todd Walton Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 5:50 AM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] Linux Jobs On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Josh More wrote: > These jobs are not at Alliance, but you know, both Linux jobs and Linux > people are few and far between, so if you think you have a chance, you > should probably apply. I have a theory about why... > Red Hat Linux Engineer (mid or senior level expert) > 3+ years of experience with RHEL How's a person supposed to get to the mid or senior level, when entry level does not exist in Unixland? 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From matthewb at flash.shanje.com Tue Dec 15 10:33:06 2009 From: matthewb at flash.shanje.com (Matt Breitbach) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:33:06 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Jobs In-Reply-To: <0EBF76EBDA01C04F8D281DE3992D43DA0719C04D@jn-exch2.Shazam.net> References: <4B2695990200002E0003B34A@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> <0EBF76EBDA01C04F8D281DE3992D43DA0719C04D@jn-exch2.Shazam.net> Message-ID: That's right where I'm at right now - Lets use some linux for stuff - hey, how about you get it up and running. -----Original Message----- From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Kulish, Chris Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 5:58 AM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] Linux Jobs I think the lack of entry level positions is due to most companies start with "let's try linux" and assign a, usually, Windows admin to the job. That's how I crossed into unix/linux. -----Original Message----- From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Todd Walton Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 5:50 AM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] Linux Jobs On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Josh More wrote: > These jobs are not at Alliance, but you know, both Linux jobs and Linux > people are few and far between, so if you think you have a chance, you > should probably apply. I have a theory about why... > Red Hat Linux Engineer (mid or senior level expert) > 3+ years of experience with RHEL How's a person supposed to get to the mid or senior level, when entry level does not exist in Unixland? When's the last time you saw an entry level Unix/Linux job posting? -- Todd _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug Attention: This electronic document and associated attachments (if any) may contain confidential information of the sender (SHAZAM Network) and is intended solely for use by the addressee(s). Review by unintended individuals is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient: (i) do not read, transmit, copy, disclose, store, or utilize this communication in any manner; (ii) please reply to the sender immediately, state that you received it in error and permanently delete this message and any attachment(s) from your computer and destroy the material in its entirety if in hard copy format. If you are the intended recipient, please use discretion in any email reply to ensure that you do not send confidential information as we cannot secure it through this medium. By responding to us through internet e-mail, you agree to hold SHAZAM, Inc. and all affiliated companies harmless for any unintentional dissemination of information contained in your message. Thank you. _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Tue Dec 15 10:39:45 2009 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:39:45 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Jobs Message-ID: <4B2767710200002E0003B3AF@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> There are three ways to get the experience needed to get a higher-level Linux job: 1) Branch out into it from a job as a Windows or Unix admin, learn as you go and pay your dues. However, it's a bit of a crapshoot if this will happen for you, and is less likely the larger a company you're in. 2) Work your "day job" but get involved in a community project and devote a lot of time towards learning the new tech. Leverage that experience into a new job after 3 to 5 years. 3) Be really really lucky and convince someone to waive the experience requirement, 'cause you're just that good. Most people I know of that get to use Linux on a daily basis got where they are by leveraging all three of these together. It is not, however, without it's sacrifices. If folks are interested, we can have a talk at tomorrow's meeting on how to leverage up to using Linux professionally. -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej at alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 >>> "Matt Breitbach" 12/15/09 10:33 AM >>> That's right where I'm at right now - Lets use some linux for stuff - hey, how about you get it up and running. -----Original Message----- From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Kulish, Chris Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 5:58 AM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] Linux Jobs I think the lack of entry level positions is due to most companies start with "let's try linux" and assign a, usually, Windows admin to the job. That's how I crossed into unix/linux. -----Original Message----- From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Todd Walton Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 5:50 AM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] Linux Jobs On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Josh More wrote: > These jobs are not at Alliance, but you know, both Linux jobs and Linux > people are few and far between, so if you think you have a chance, you > should probably apply. I have a theory about why... > Red Hat Linux Engineer (mid or senior level expert) > 3+ years of experience with RHEL How's a person supposed to get to the mid or senior level, when entry level does not exist in Unixland? When's the last time you saw an entry level Unix/Linux job posting? -- Todd _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug Attention: This electronic document and associated attachments (if any) may contain confidential information of the sender (SHAZAM Network) and is intended solely for use by the addressee(s). Review by unintended individuals is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient: (i) do not read, transmit, copy, disclose, store, or utilize this communication in any manner; (ii) please reply to the sender immediately, state that you received it in error and permanently delete this message and any attachment(s) from your computer and destroy the material in its entirety if in hard copy format. If you are the intended recipient, please use discretion in any email reply to ensure that you do not send confidential information as we cannot secure it through this medium. By responding to us through internet e-mail, you agree to hold SHAZAM, Inc. and all affiliated companies harmless for any unintentional dissemination of information contained in your message. Thank you. _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From dave at 58ghz.net Tue Dec 15 10:50:04 2009 From: dave at 58ghz.net (Dave Hala Jr) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:50:04 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Jobs In-Reply-To: References: <4B2695990200002E0003B34A@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> <0EBF76EBDA01C04F8D281DE3992D43DA0719C04D@jn-exch2.Shazam.net> Message-ID: <1260895804.22223.152.camel@localcentos5> It's really not as bad as you'd think, the installs are straight forward now, unless you've got some non-mainstrean (non-name brand) hardware. Its just different than what you are used to. I think it was easier for all us that came from a DOS/Novell background and harder for those that cut their teeth in a windows environment. Go back 10-15 years and try and do a BSD install on a early 286 or 386, that was painful. On Tue, 2009-12-15 at 10:33 -0600, Matt Breitbach wrote: > That's right where I'm at right now - Lets use some linux for stuff - hey, > how about you get it up and running. > > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf > Of Kulish, Chris > Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 5:58 AM > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Cialug] Linux Jobs > > I think the lack of entry level positions is due to most companies start > with "let's try linux" and assign a, usually, Windows admin to the job. > That's how I crossed into unix/linux. > > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On > Behalf Of Todd Walton > Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 5:50 AM > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Cialug] Linux Jobs > > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Josh More > wrote: > > These jobs are not at Alliance, but you know, both Linux jobs and > Linux > > people are few and far between, so if you think you have a chance, you > > should probably apply. > > I have a theory about why... > > > Red Hat Linux Engineer (mid or senior level expert) > > 3+ years of experience with RHEL > > How's a person supposed to get to the mid or senior level, when entry > level does not exist in Unixland? When's the last time you saw an > entry level Unix/Linux job posting? > > -- > Todd > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > Attention: This electronic document and associated attachments (if any) may > contain confidential information of the sender (SHAZAM Network) and is > intended solely for use by the addressee(s). Review by unintended > individuals is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient: (i) do not > read, transmit, copy, disclose, store, or utilize this communication in any > manner; (ii) please reply to the sender immediately, state that you received > it in error and permanently delete this message and any attachment(s) from > your computer and destroy the material in its entirety if in hard copy > format. 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Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From david at bierce.org Tue Dec 15 10:46:12 2009 From: david at bierce.org (David Bierce) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:46:12 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Jobs In-Reply-To: <1260895804.22223.152.camel@localcentos5> References: <4B2695990200002E0003B34A@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> <0EBF76EBDA01C04F8D281DE3992D43DA0719C04D@jn-exch2.Shazam.net> <1260895804.22223.152.camel@localcentos5> Message-ID: ....and the sneaker net speeds were horrible. On Dec 15, 2009, at 10:50 AM, Dave Hala Jr wrote: > Go back 10-15 years and try and do a BSD install on a early 286 or 386, > that was painful. From ckulish at shazam.net Tue Dec 15 10:56:21 2009 From: ckulish at shazam.net (Kulish, Chris) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:56:21 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Jobs In-Reply-To: References: <4B2695990200002E0003B34A@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net><0EBF76EBDA01C04F8D281DE3992D43DA0719C04D@jn-exch2.Shazam.net> Message-ID: <0EBF76EBDA01C04F8D281DE3992D43DA0719C188@jn-exch2.Shazam.net> It was... interesting. Just ask David W., he was working down the street from me at the time I was thrown into it. -----Original Message----- From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Matt Breitbach Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:33 AM To: 'Central Iowa Linux Users Group' Subject: Re: [Cialug] Linux Jobs That's right where I'm at right now - Lets use some linux for stuff - hey, how about you get it up and running. -----Original Message----- From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Kulish, Chris Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 5:58 AM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] Linux Jobs I think the lack of entry level positions is due to most companies start with "let's try linux" and assign a, usually, Windows admin to the job. That's how I crossed into unix/linux. -----Original Message----- From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Todd Walton Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 5:50 AM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] Linux Jobs On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Josh More wrote: > These jobs are not at Alliance, but you know, both Linux jobs and Linux > people are few and far between, so if you think you have a chance, you > should probably apply. I have a theory about why... > Red Hat Linux Engineer (mid or senior level expert) > 3+ years of experience with RHEL How's a person supposed to get to the mid or senior level, when entry level does not exist in Unixland? When's the last time you saw an entry level Unix/Linux job posting? -- Todd _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug Attention: This electronic document and associated attachments (if any) may contain confidential information of the sender (SHAZAM Network) and is intended solely for use by the addressee(s). Review by unintended individuals is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient: (i) do not read, transmit, copy, disclose, store, or utilize this communication in any manner; (ii) please reply to the sender immediately, state that you received it in error and permanently delete this message and any attachment(s) from your computer and destroy the material in its entirety if in hard copy format. If you are the intended recipient, please use discretion in any email reply to ensure that you do not send confidential information as we cannot secure it through this medium. 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From newz at bearfruit.org Tue Dec 15 11:01:25 2009 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:01:25 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Jobs In-Reply-To: <4B2767710200002E0003B3AF@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> References: <4B2767710200002E0003B3AF@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Josh More wrote: > There are three ways to get the experience needed to get a higher-level > Linux job: > > 1) Branch out into it from a job as a Windows or Unix admin, learn as > you go and pay your dues. However, it's a bit of a crapshoot if this > will happen for you, and is less likely the larger a company you're in. > > I've never worked for a very large company, but I can mention a 1a. If you're interested in this it doesn't hurt to ask your line manager or someone influential in the IT dept if you can shift some of your focus into Linux or Unix work. Maybe a good way is to just ask if you can have a 2nd laptop or desktop with Linux installed on the corporate network. Or if you're very brave, switch your primary desktop over to Linux. Most employers appreciate that their staff what to improve themselves and learn new skills. It is beneficial for companies to encourage this because it makes employees more loyal and more valuable. Also, the cost for the company can be very very low. Both in the cost of the training itself, and the cost of your time since hiring an expert is more expensive than training you. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091215/eb1e2403/attachment.htm From tdwalton at gmail.com Tue Dec 15 11:53:19 2009 From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:53:19 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Jobs In-Reply-To: <4B2767710200002E0003B3AF@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> References: <4B2767710200002E0003B3AF@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Josh More wrote: > There are three ways to get the experience needed to get a higher-level > Linux job: > > 1) Branch out into it from a job as a Windows or Unix admin, learn as > you go and pay your dues. ?However, it's a bit of a crapshoot if this > will happen for you, and is less likely the larger a company you're in. > > 2) Work your "day job" but get involved in a community project and > devote a lot of time towards learning the new tech. ?Leverage that > experience into a new job after 3 to 5 years. > > 3) Be really really lucky and convince someone to waive the experience > requirement, 'cause you're just that good. I asked this same question once on the KPLUG (San Diego) mailing list. Some of the guys there had gotten Unix jobs at their university way back when, and a surprising number had gotten into it by starting their own ISP or similar business, in the early days of the Internet. Both of those options seem unrealistic today. Both have "matured" into professionally run jobs, though I could imagine being a student lackey or intern, if you were attending university. -- Todd From djweis at internetsolver.com Tue Dec 15 13:07:01 2009 From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:07:01 +0000 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Jobs In-Reply-To: <0EBF76EBDA01C04F8D281DE3992D43DA0719C188@jn-exch2.Shazam.net> References: <4B2695990200002E0003B34A@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net><0EBF76EBDA01C04F8D281DE3992D43DA0719C04D@jn-exch2.Shazam.net><0EBF76EBDA01C04F8D281DE3992D43DA0719C188@jn-exch2.Shazam.net> Message-ID: <1734372604-1260904033-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-810289689-@bda056.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Haha it was interesting to see Chris' progress. -----Original Message----- From: "Kulish, Chris" Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:56:21 To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] Linux Jobs It was... interesting. Just ask David W., he was working down the street from me at the time I was thrown into it. -----Original Message----- From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Matt Breitbach Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:33 AM To: 'Central Iowa Linux Users Group' Subject: Re: [Cialug] Linux Jobs That's right where I'm at right now - Lets use some linux for stuff - hey, how about you get it up and running. -----Original Message----- From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Kulish, Chris Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 5:58 AM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] Linux Jobs I think the lack of entry level positions is due to most companies start with "let's try linux" and assign a, usually, Windows admin to the job. That's how I crossed into unix/linux. -----Original Message----- From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Todd Walton Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 5:50 AM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] Linux Jobs On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Josh More wrote: > These jobs are not at Alliance, but you know, both Linux jobs and Linux > people are few and far between, so if you think you have a chance, you > should probably apply. I have a theory about why... > Red Hat Linux Engineer (mid or senior level expert) > 3+ years of experience with RHEL How's a person supposed to get to the mid or senior level, when entry level does not exist in Unixland? When's the last time you saw an entry level Unix/Linux job posting? -- Todd _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug Attention: This electronic document and associated attachments (if any) may contain confidential information of the sender (SHAZAM Network) and is intended solely for use by the addressee(s). Review by unintended individuals is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient: (i) do not read, transmit, copy, disclose, store, or utilize this communication in any manner; (ii) please reply to the sender immediately, state that you received it in error and permanently delete this message and any attachment(s) from your computer and destroy the material in its entirety if in hard copy format. If you are the intended recipient, please use discretion in any email reply to ensure that you do not send confidential information as we cannot secure it through this medium. 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Thank you. _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From dave at dchamp.net Tue Dec 15 14:25:19 2009 From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:25:19 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Macbook for sale Message-ID: <4B27F0AF.4010204@dchamp.net> Here's a Macbook that may be for sale. Slightly shotgunned. Complete satisfaction or no money back. http://lilysussman.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/im-sorry-but-we-blew-up-your-laptop-welcome-to-israel/ -dc From chapinjeff at gmail.com Tue Dec 15 14:25:24 2009 From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:25:24 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Macbook for sale In-Reply-To: <4B27F0AF.4010204@dchamp.net> References: <4B27F0AF.4010204@dchamp.net> Message-ID: <4B27F0B4.20208@gmail.com> I hate it that people in this world are so luddite that they don't understand what I would consider common sense... Years of data on a single laptop drive -- while traveling to dirty, dusty, occasionally backwards countries -- and no backups! Wow. ;-) David Champion wrote: > Here's a Macbook that may be for sale. Slightly shotgunned. Complete > satisfaction or no money back. > > http://lilysussman.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/im-sorry-but-we-blew-up-your-laptop-welcome-to-israel/ > > -dc > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From kristau at gmail.com Tue Dec 15 14:30:28 2009 From: kristau at gmail.com (kristau) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:30:28 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Macbook for sale In-Reply-To: <4B27F0AF.4010204@dchamp.net> References: <4B27F0AF.4010204@dchamp.net> Message-ID: <3effba680912151230u74eb8e3t92af722a303e5ec9@mail.gmail.com> If you are in the habit of just looking at the photos when someone posts a story like this, go back and read the story that accompanies them. This is the kind of think we can look forward to if we keep allowing our rights to be eroded in the name of Homeland Security. -- Tired programmer Coding late into the night The core dump follows From alan.maupin at gmail.com Tue Dec 15 16:26:11 2009 From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:26:11 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Macbook for sale In-Reply-To: <4B27F0AF.4010204@dchamp.net> References: <4B27F0AF.4010204@dchamp.net> Message-ID: <0817B748-F811-4D3F-9E5C-988513F8D192@gmail.com> I wonder what military SOP the Israelis have for shooting a laptop. Imagine some formal area cordoned off with sand pits. Is there a fire command? Do they use a 9 mm pistol or an Uzi? On Dec 15, 2009, at 2:25 PM, David Champion wrote: > Here's a Macbook that may be for sale. Slightly shotgunned. Complete > satisfaction or no money back. > > http://lilysussman.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/im-sorry-but-we-blew-up-your-laptop-welcome-to-israel/ > > -dc > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Tue Dec 15 17:34:56 2009 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:34:56 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Macbook for sale Message-ID: Those *looked* like pretty big holes. I was surprised they were so clean. One might think it was more dangerous to shoot something suspected of being explosive or toxic. Seems like they probably already knew it was benign. We only heard one side of the story. -Nate ----- Original Message ----- From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Sent: Tue Dec 15 16:26:11 2009 Subject: Re: [Cialug] OT: Macbook for sale I wonder what military SOP the Israelis have for shooting a laptop. Imagine some formal area cordoned off with sand pits. Is there a fire command? Do they use a 9 mm pistol or an Uzi? On Dec 15, 2009, at 2:25 PM, David Champion wrote: > Here's a Macbook that may be for sale. Slightly shotgunned. Complete > satisfaction or no money back. > > http://lilysussman.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/im-sorry-but-we-blew-up-your-laptop-welcome-to-israel/ > > -dc > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From dave at dchamp.net Tue Dec 15 17:48:52 2009 From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:48:52 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Macbook for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B282064.1030505@dchamp.net> I'd guess they were 9mm or .45 rounds. Shooting computer equipment with handgun rounds makes more dramatic ragged holes like that, where the higher velocity rifle rounds pass right through like there's nothing there and leave a clean hole. She's really lucky that they missed the hard drive - as long as there was no shock damage (which there well may be), she should be able to recover everything. I agree with Ken, except in many ways we're already there. Your laptop can be seized and held by customs when you cross the borders at their discretion. The current search and seizure laws in many states allow them to hold your property indefinitely, and sometimes force you to pay impound fees to get it back, even if you aren't charged with anything, or found to be innocent. If I were traveling overseas with a laptop, I would install a clean drive and only put what you really need on it. A spare drive is pretty cheap. -dc Nathan C. Smith wrote: > Those *looked* like pretty big holes. I was surprised they were so clean. > > One might think it was more dangerous to shoot something suspected of being explosive or toxic. Seems like they probably already knew it was benign. We only heard one side of the story. > > -Nate > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > Sent: Tue Dec 15 16:26:11 2009 > Subject: Re: [Cialug] OT: Macbook for sale > > I wonder what military SOP the Israelis have for shooting a laptop. Imagine some formal area cordoned off with sand pits. Is there a fire command? Do they use a 9 mm pistol or an Uzi? > > > On Dec 15, 2009, at 2:25 PM, David Champion wrote: > > >> Here's a Macbook that may be for sale. Slightly shotgunned. Complete >> satisfaction or no money back. >> >> http://lilysussman.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/im-sorry-but-we-blew-up-your-laptop-welcome-to-israel/ >> >> -dc >> From newz at bearfruit.org Tue Dec 15 17:51:12 2009 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:51:12 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Macbook for sale In-Reply-To: <4B282064.1030505@dchamp.net> References: <4B282064.1030505@dchamp.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 5:48 PM, David Champion wrote: > > If I were traveling overseas with a laptop, I would install a clean > drive and only put what you really need on it. A spare drive is pretty > cheap. > Having just returned from overseas, my strategy was: * Spare computer (light weight, long battery), * clean OS install * All important files on a thumb drive * All private files on a hidden, encrypted partition on the thumb drive. Ubuntu, presumably other Linuxes, detects the encrypted partition on my thumbdrive and asks me to mount it. It's really not much of an inconvenience. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091215/f4724893/attachment.htm From kristau at gmail.com Tue Dec 15 19:16:55 2009 From: kristau at gmail.com (kristau) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:16:55 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Macbook for sale In-Reply-To: References: <4B282064.1030505@dchamp.net> Message-ID: <3effba680912151716p4f9f0a18t54f91a1ef01f80a0@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Matthew Nuzum wrote: > Having just returned from overseas, my strategy was: > > ?* Spare computer (light weight, long battery), > ?* clean OS install > ?* All important files on a thumb drive > ?* All private files on a hidden, encrypted partition on the thumb drive. You're missing a plan for what you would do should either your data or you become compromised. By that, I mean any one (or more) of the following: * You are detained but told you will be released in exchange for the password to your encrypted files. * The device(s) containing your encrypted files are confiscated, and you are sent on your un-merry way. * Your encrypted files are copied and you are sent on your slightly less un-merry way. Oh, and by "you are detained" I'm including everything in the range between "not allowed to leave" through "threatened at gunpoint" and/or "physically harmed." Discuss ;) -- Tired programmer Coding late into the night The core dump follows From barry at vonahsen.com Tue Dec 15 19:19:31 2009 From: barry at vonahsen.com (Barry Von Ahsen) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:19:31 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Macbook for sale In-Reply-To: <3effba680912151716p4f9f0a18t54f91a1ef01f80a0@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B282064.1030505@dchamp.net> <3effba680912151716p4f9f0a18t54f91a1ef01f80a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B2835A3.9080709@vonahsen.com> kristau wrote: > * You are detained but told you will be released in exchange for the > password to your encrypted files. > * The device(s) containing your encrypted files are confiscated, and > you are sent on your un-merry way. > * Your encrypted files are copied and you are sent on your slightly > less un-merry way. > > Oh, and by "you are detained" I'm including everything in the range > between "not allowed to leave" through "threatened at gunpoint" and/or > "physically harmed." > obXKCD: http://xkcd.com/538/ -barry From newz at bearfruit.org Tue Dec 15 20:36:41 2009 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:36:41 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Macbook for sale In-Reply-To: <3effba680912151716p4f9f0a18t54f91a1ef01f80a0@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B282064.1030505@dchamp.net> <3effba680912151716p4f9f0a18t54f91a1ef01f80a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:16 PM, kristau wrote: > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Matthew Nuzum wrote: > > Having just returned from overseas, my strategy was: > > > > * Spare computer (light weight, long battery), > > * clean OS install > > * All important files on a thumb drive > > * All private files on a hidden, encrypted partition on the thumb drive. > > You're missing a plan for what you would do should either your data or > you become compromised. By that, I mean any one (or more) of the > following: > > * You are detained but told you will be released in exchange for the > password to your encrypted files. > * The device(s) containing your encrypted files are confiscated, and > you are sent on your un-merry way. > * Your encrypted files are copied and you are sent on your slightly > less un-merry way. > > Oh, and by "you are detained" I'm including everything in the range > between "not allowed to leave" through "threatened at gunpoint" and/or > "physically harmed." > > Discuss ;) > True. The only thing I have of value is my GPG keys. And really, the only reason why I'm paranoid about them is because of the inconvenience of revoking them and then creating new keys that are well signed. I'd love to hear suggestions for how to be even more paranoid. 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URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091215/01fda386/attachment.htm From cwfreeman at gmail.com Tue Dec 15 22:59:45 2009 From: cwfreeman at gmail.com (Chris Freeman) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:59:45 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Macbook for sale In-Reply-To: References: <4B282064.1030505@dchamp.net> <3effba680912151716p4f9f0a18t54f91a1ef01f80a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3afd8deb0912152059h1d85716uabe803301960aaaa@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Matthew Nuzum wrote: > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:16 PM, kristau wrote: >> >> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Matthew Nuzum wrote: >> > Having just returned from overseas, my strategy was: >> > >> > * Spare computer (light weight, long battery), >> > * clean OS install >> > * All important files on a thumb drive >> > * All private files on a hidden, encrypted partition on the thumb >> > drive. >> ... > True. The only thing I have of value is my GPG keys. And really, the only > reason why I'm paranoid about them is because of the inconvenience of > revoking them and then creating new keys that are well signed. > > I'd love to hear suggestions for how to be even more paranoid. What I have > now does not get detected by Mac OS or Windows computers so it looks like it > works (my presentations and family photos and stuff are on the unecrypted > area). The way to be more paranoid is not to take any real data with you at all. Clean OS install, no thumb drive. Download important data from web when you're at your destination, and upload it before you go. Wipe drives before leaving (or destroy them completely). If you're really paranoid, buy a machine at your destination so customs/border agents/whomever can't install keyloggers/etc while they have the machine for 5 minutes. Destroy the drives before leaving. If you're physically separated from your data, security agents can't take it away. This assumes that you have a decent data connection. If you're in North Korea, this may not be feasible. Chris From ckulish at shazam.net Wed Dec 16 06:36:14 2009 From: ckulish at shazam.net (Kulish, Chris) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 06:36:14 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Jobs In-Reply-To: <1734372604-1260904033-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-810289689-@bda056.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <4B2695990200002E0003B34A@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net><0EBF76EBDA01C04F8D281DE3992D43DA0719C04D@jn-exch2.Shazam.net><0EBF76EBDA01C04F8D281DE3992D43DA0719C188@jn-exch2.Shazam.net> <1734372604-1260904033-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-810289689-@bda056.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <0EBF76EBDA01C04F8D281DE3992D43DA0719C307@jn-exch2.Shazam.net> LOL. At the beginning there was a lot of WTF and HUH? The biggest one was... "I'm in the right directory and I see the file right there?!?! WHY WON'T IT RUN?!" Slid into an official Windows/Unix position. Outsourced. Brought on with IBM and allowed to choose Windows or Unix. Layed off (which I enjoyed immensely.. 6 weeks right in the middle of summer) and finally ended up here working Solaris/Linux and soon AIX again. -----Original Message----- From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Dave Weis Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 1:07 PM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] Linux Jobs Haha it was interesting to see Chris' progress. -----Original Message----- From: "Kulish, Chris" Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:56:21 To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] Linux Jobs It was... interesting. Just ask David W., he was working down the street from me at the time I was thrown into it. -----Original Message----- From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Matt Breitbach Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:33 AM To: 'Central Iowa Linux Users Group' Subject: Re: [Cialug] Linux Jobs That's right where I'm at right now - Lets use some linux for stuff - hey, how about you get it up and running. -----Original Message----- From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Kulish, Chris Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 5:58 AM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] Linux Jobs I think the lack of entry level positions is due to most companies start with "let's try linux" and assign a, usually, Windows admin to the job. That's how I crossed into unix/linux. -----Original Message----- From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Todd Walton Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 5:50 AM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] Linux Jobs On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Josh More wrote: > These jobs are not at Alliance, but you know, both Linux jobs and Linux > people are few and far between, so if you think you have a chance, you > should probably apply. I have a theory about why... > Red Hat Linux Engineer (mid or senior level expert) > 3+ years of experience with RHEL How's a person supposed to get to the mid or senior level, when entry level does not exist in Unixland? When's the last time you saw an entry level Unix/Linux job posting? -- Todd _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug Attention: This electronic document and associated attachments (if any) may contain confidential information of the sender (SHAZAM Network) and is intended solely for use by the addressee(s). Review by unintended individuals is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient: (i) do not read, transmit, copy, disclose, store, or utilize this communication in any manner; (ii) please reply to the sender immediately, state that you received it in error and permanently delete this message and any attachment(s) from your computer and destroy the material in its entirety if in hard copy format. If you are the intended recipient, please use discretion in any email reply to ensure that you do not send confidential information as we cannot secure it through this medium. 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Thank you. _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug Attention: This electronic document and associated attachments (if any) may contain confidential information of the sender (SHAZAM Network) and is intended solely for use by the addressee(s). Review by unintended individuals is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient: (i) do not read, transmit, copy, disclose, store, or utilize this communication in any manner; (ii) please reply to the sender immediately, state that you received it in error and permanently delete this message and any attachment(s) from your computer and destroy the material in its entirety if in hard copy format. If you are the intended recipient, please use discretion in any email reply to ensure that you do not send confidential information as we cannot secure it through this medium. By responding to us through internet e-mail, you agree to hold SHAZAM, Inc. and all affiliated companies harmless for any unintentional dissemination of information contained in your message. Thank you. From tdwalton at gmail.com Wed Dec 16 06:39:35 2009 From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 06:39:35 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Amazon EC2 Spot Instances Message-ID: Amazon EC2 now has an auction of sorts. Smart for Amazon, if it works. Below is what they sent me in the AWS newsletter. I'm assuming you could automate this, so you'd have your regular instances doing your computing tasks, and then extend it to pull in spot instances when you need it. Tweak your bid as your needs rise and fall. Very cyber! *Amazon EC2 Spot Instances* Spot Instances are a new way to purchase and consume Amazon EC2 Instances by allowing you to bid on unused Amazon EC2 capacity and run those instances for as long as your bid exceeds the current Spot Price. The Spot Price changes periodically based on supply and demand, and when your bid meets or exceeds the Spot Price, you'll gain access to the available Spot Instances (paying only the Spot Price, regardless of what amount you bid). These instances will continue to run until you choose to terminate the instances, or your maximum bid falls below the Spot Price (whichever is sooner). Spot Instances are complementary to On-Demand Instances and Reserved Instances, providing another option for obtaining compute capacity. If you have flexibility in when your applications can run, Spot Instances can significantly lower your Amazon EC2 costs. Additionally, Spot Instances can provide access to large amounts of additional capacity for applications with urgent needs. A few examples of categories of applications well suited to Spot Instances include image and video processing, conversion and rendering, scientific research data processing, and financial modeling and analysis. From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Wed Dec 16 09:01:22 2009 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 09:01:22 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Macbook for sale In-Reply-To: <3effba680912151716p4f9f0a18t54f91a1ef01f80a0@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B282064.1030505@dchamp.net> <3effba680912151716p4f9f0a18t54f91a1ef01f80a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: For the truly paranoid you are supposed to use TrueCrypt, or something like it, and double-encrypt your hard drive. An outside layer that is the one you reveal at gunpoint, - has a working OS and some legitimate looking files, and the inside-super-secret layer that nobody knows about except you. Too bad this is only supported (by TrueCrypt) under Windows and not Linux or MacOS. What software alternatives are available for those platforms? -Nate > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org > [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of kristau > Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 7:17 PM > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Cialug] OT: Macbook for sale > > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Matthew Nuzum > wrote: > > Having just returned from overseas, my strategy was: > > > > ?* Spare computer (light weight, long battery), > > ?* clean OS install > > ?* All important files on a thumb drive > > ?* All private files on a hidden, encrypted partition on > the thumb drive. > > You're missing a plan for what you would do should either > your data or you become compromised. By that, I mean any one > (or more) of the > following: > > * You are detained but told you will be released in exchange > for the password to your encrypted files. > * The device(s) containing your encrypted files are > confiscated, and you are sent on your un-merry way. > * Your encrypted files are copied and you are sent on your > slightly less un-merry way. > > Oh, and by "you are detained" I'm including everything in the > range between "not allowed to leave" through "threatened at > gunpoint" and/or "physically harmed." > > Discuss ;) > > -- > Tired programmer > Coding late into the night > The core dump follows > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From newz at bearfruit.org Wed Dec 16 09:25:46 2009 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 09:25:46 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Macbook for sale In-Reply-To: References: <4B282064.1030505@dchamp.net> <3effba680912151716p4f9f0a18t54f91a1ef01f80a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Nathan C. Smith wrote: > For the truly paranoid you are supposed to use TrueCrypt, or something like > it, and double-encrypt your hard drive. An outside layer that is the one > you reveal at gunpoint, - has a working OS and some legitimate looking > files, and the inside-super-secret layer that nobody knows about except > you. > > Too bad this is only supported (by TrueCrypt) under Windows and not Linux > or MacOS. What software alternatives are available for those platforms? > > Well, if I had such sensitive and critical data that I needed to hide my operating system then it would probably be worthwhile tradeoff. Considering that truecrypt works on Linux and Mac OS and that Linux has a lot of encryption options available to it, and the filesystem is opensource as well as the bootloader and the rest of the OS, I'm surprised that it isn't a supported operating system for this. Maybe it changes too fast. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091216/eb4436a6/attachment.htm From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Wed Dec 16 09:29:30 2009 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 09:29:30 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Encrypting filesystems - WAS: OT: Macbook for sale In-Reply-To: References: <4B282064.1030505@dchamp.net> <3effba680912151716p4f9f0a18t54f91a1ef01f80a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: TrueCrypt is available for all 3 platforms, but I think the whole-disk system drive encryption only works on Windows. It is so easy to use even a Windows user could do it. I've never used the encrypting filesystems on Linux. Are they easy to configure? Is anyone on the list using one? Can you boot from an encrypted filesystem? -Nate From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Nuzum Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 9:26 AM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] OT: Macbook for sale On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Nathan C. Smith > wrote: For the truly paranoid you are supposed to use TrueCrypt, or something like it, and double-encrypt your hard drive. An outside layer that is the one you reveal at gunpoint, - has a working OS and some legitimate looking files, and the inside-super-secret layer that nobody knows about except you. Too bad this is only supported (by TrueCrypt) under Windows and not Linux or MacOS. What software alternatives are available for those platforms? Well, if I had such sensitive and critical data that I needed to hide my operating system then it would probably be worthwhile tradeoff. Considering that truecrypt works on Linux and Mac OS and that Linux has a lot of encryption options available to it, and the filesystem is opensource as well as the bootloader and the rest of the OS, I'm surprised that it isn't a supported operating system for this. Maybe it changes too fast. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091216/0de1fe39/attachment-0001.htm From dave at 58ghz.net Wed Dec 16 09:43:39 2009 From: dave at 58ghz.net (Dave Hala Jr) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 09:43:39 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Macbook for sale In-Reply-To: References: <4B282064.1030505@dchamp.net> <3effba680912151716p4f9f0a18t54f91a1ef01f80a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1260978219.22223.245.camel@localcentos5> How about encrypting your data and storing "in the cloud" or just working online in cloud. Then you'd just be carrying a more or less blank laptop. :) Dave On Wed, 2009-12-16 at 09:25 -0600, Matthew Nuzum wrote: > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Nathan C. Smith > wrote: > For the truly paranoid you are supposed to use TrueCrypt, or > something like it, and double-encrypt your hard drive. An > outside layer that is the one you reveal at gunpoint, - has a > working OS and some legitimate looking files, and the > inside-super-secret layer that nobody knows about except you. > > Too bad this is only supported (by TrueCrypt) under Windows > and not Linux or MacOS. What software alternatives are > available for those platforms? > > > Well, if I had such sensitive and critical data that I needed to hide > my operating system then it would probably be worthwhile tradeoff. > > Considering that truecrypt works on Linux and Mac OS and that Linux > has a lot of encryption options available to it, and the filesystem is > opensource as well as the bootloader and the rest of the OS, I'm > surprised that it isn't a supported operating system for this. > > Maybe it changes too fast. > > -- > Matthew Nuzum > newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From kristau at gmail.com Wed Dec 16 09:44:45 2009 From: kristau at gmail.com (kristau) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 09:44:45 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] The Paranoid Foreign Traveler (WAS: OT: Macbook for sale) Message-ID: <3effba680912160744m6b222b00j960edba7e9755ad4@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Dave Hala Jr wrote: > How about encrypting your data and storing "in the cloud" or just > working online in cloud. Then you'd just be carrying a more or less > blank laptop. > > :) Dave Ahh, but they would never be listening in on your Internet traffic, would they? (http://eff.org/nsa) -- Tired programmer Coding late into the night The core dump follows From jeff at ocjtech.us Wed Dec 16 09:46:13 2009 From: jeff at ocjtech.us (Jeffrey Ollie) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 09:46:13 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Encrypting filesystems - WAS: OT: Macbook for sale In-Reply-To: References: <4B282064.1030505@dchamp.net> <3effba680912151716p4f9f0a18t54f91a1ef01f80a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <935ead450912160746pf3f8aa9qe40c11b1494ccc3d@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Nathan C. Smith wrote: > > I?ve never used the encrypting filesystems on Linux.? Are they easy to > configure?? Is anyone on the list using one?? Can you boot from an encrypted > filesystem? Recent Fedora versions make it dead easy to encrypt your filesystems, at least with a fresh install (I've never tried to retrofit encryption onto an already installed system). I'd imagine that Ubuntu has pretty decent support too. I've run my laptop with disk encryption for over a year without any problems, although I'm sure I lose a little performance due to the encryption overhead. You don't really 'boot' from the encrypted partition... The /boot partition is left unencrypted so that BIOS and grub can load the kernel and initial ram disk. Note that disk encryption doesn't protect you if someone hostile gets access to your laptop, and then *gives it back* - they may have installed a keylogger or similar device to capture your passphrase and circumvent your encryption. -- Jeff Ollie From djweis at internetsolver.com Wed Dec 16 09:46:46 2009 From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:46:46 +0000 Subject: [Cialug] The Paranoid Foreign Traveler (WAS: OT: Macbook for sale) Message-ID: <1911574397-1260978420-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-942527826-@bda056.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Also the absence of data is suspicious in many cases. ------Original Message------ From: kristau Sender: cialug-bounces at cialug.org To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group ReplyTo: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: [Cialug] The Paranoid Foreign Traveler (WAS: OT: Macbook for sale) Sent: Dec 16, 2009 9:44 AM On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Dave Hala Jr wrote: > How about encrypting your data and storing "in the cloud" or just > working online in cloud. Then you'd just be carrying a more or less > blank laptop. > > :) Dave Ahh, but they would never be listening in on your Internet traffic, would they? (http://eff.org/nsa) -- Tired programmer Coding late into the night The core dump follows _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From dave at 58ghz.net Wed Dec 16 09:56:30 2009 From: dave at 58ghz.net (Dave Hala Jr) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 09:56:30 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] The Paranoid Foreign Traveler (WAS: OT: Macbook for sale) In-Reply-To: <3effba680912160744m6b222b00j960edba7e9755ad4@mail.gmail.com> References: <3effba680912160744m6b222b00j960edba7e9755ad4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1260978991.22223.247.camel@localcentos5> I thought the point was to get through the security checks without being "detained"... On Wed, 2009-12-16 at 09:44 -0600, kristau wrote: > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Dave Hala Jr wrote: > > How about encrypting your data and storing "in the cloud" or just > > working online in cloud. Then you'd just be carrying a more or less > > blank laptop. > > > > :) Dave > > Ahh, but they would never be listening in on your Internet traffic, > would they? (http://eff.org/nsa) > From newz at bearfruit.org Wed Dec 16 10:02:10 2009 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:02:10 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Macbook for sale In-Reply-To: <1260978219.22223.245.camel@localcentos5> References: <4B282064.1030505@dchamp.net> <3effba680912151716p4f9f0a18t54f91a1ef01f80a0@mail.gmail.com> <1260978219.22223.245.camel@localcentos5> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Dave Hala Jr wrote: > How about encrypting your data and storing "in the cloud" or just > working online in cloud. Then you'd just be carrying a more or less > blank laptop. > Well, if you're travelling to a far away country you'll have some time to burn on the airplane. Would be nice to use your computer during that time which, presumably, you'll be offline. If you use google gears or some other system that lets you work locally while offline then you defeat the purpose of the encryption. Plus, some countries that are very hostile to some things you might want to hide also have poor international bandwidth. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091216/7199a97c/attachment.htm From dave at 58ghz.net Wed Dec 16 10:12:28 2009 From: dave at 58ghz.net (Dave Hala Jr) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:12:28 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Macbook for sale In-Reply-To: References: <4B282064.1030505@dchamp.net> <3effba680912151716p4f9f0a18t54f91a1ef01f80a0@mail.gmail.com> <1260978219.22223.245.camel@localcentos5> Message-ID: <1260979948.22223.251.camel@localcentos5> Well, I guess your only option would be an encrypted usb drive hidden in a body cavity. Personally, as an American, I wouldn't even consider traveling anywhere in the middle east or to countries with similiar laws. :) Dave On Wed, 2009-12-16 at 10:02 -0600, Matthew Nuzum wrote: > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Dave Hala Jr wrote: > How about encrypting your data and storing "in the cloud" or > just > working online in cloud. Then you'd just be carrying a more or > less > blank laptop. > > > Well, if you're travelling to a far away country you'll have some time > to burn on the airplane. Would be nice to use your computer during > that time which, presumably, you'll be offline. > > If you use google gears or some other system that lets you work > locally while offline then you defeat the purpose of the encryption. > > Plus, some countries that are very hostile to some things you might > want to hide also have poor international bandwidth. > > -- > Matthew Nuzum > newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From kristau at gmail.com Wed Dec 16 10:10:28 2009 From: kristau at gmail.com (kristau) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:10:28 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] The Paranoid Foreign Traveler (WAS: OT: Macbook for sale) In-Reply-To: <1260978991.22223.247.camel@localcentos5> References: <3effba680912160744m6b222b00j960edba7e9755ad4@mail.gmail.com> <1260978991.22223.247.camel@localcentos5> Message-ID: <3effba680912160810j5e55fda4u8f29b642995030b5@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Dave Hala Jr wrote: > I thought the point was to get through the security checks without being > "detained"... You may get in without being detained by carrying in a blank laptop then practicing "cloud" computing, but you also need to get out again. If they've monitored your traffic and deem our activities "suspicious" in any way, they may still decide to detain you while you are still in the country or as you are trying to leave. (yes, I'm playing a bit of Devil's Advocate here) -- Tired programmer Coding late into the night The core dump follows From murraymckee at wellsfargo.com Wed Dec 16 10:14:35 2009 From: murraymckee at wellsfargo.com (murraymckee at wellsfargo.com) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:14:35 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Macbook for sale In-Reply-To: <1260979948.22223.251.camel@localcentos5> References: <4B282064.1030505@dchamp.net> <3effba680912151716p4f9f0a18t54f91a1ef01f80a0@mail.gmail.com> <1260978219.22223.245.camel@localcentos5> <1260979948.22223.251.camel@localcentos5> Message-ID: <0C42FC22D9143A4FA9FA3FC2EF5CFA072A8447832A@MSGCMSV21015.ent.wfb.bank.corp> I took my wife and daughter to Israel a couple of years ago and had a wonderful trip. We didn't have any troubles at all. Well, no more than getting on the plane here in the US. Although I was not carrying a computer we were all carrying cameras, film, etc. And there were those in our group that were carrying laptops and so forth. None of them had any trouble as far as I know. I'd love to go again, as soon as I can afford it again. Murray McKee Operating Systems Engineer WFFIS - Wells Fargo Financial Information Systems 800 Walnut Street MAC F4030-037 Des Moines, IA 50309-3605 WORK (515)557-6127 Cell (NEW) (515) 343-6630 FAX (515) 557-6046 MurrayMcKee at WellsFargo.com "This message may contain confidential and / or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation." -----Original Message----- From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Dave Hala Jr Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 10:12 AM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] OT: Macbook for sale Well, I guess your only option would be an encrypted usb drive hidden in a body cavity. Personally, as an American, I wouldn't even consider traveling anywhere in the middle east or to countries with similiar laws. :) Dave On Wed, 2009-12-16 at 10:02 -0600, Matthew Nuzum wrote: > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Dave Hala Jr wrote: > How about encrypting your data and storing "in the cloud" or > just > working online in cloud. Then you'd just be carrying a more or > less > blank laptop. > > > Well, if you're travelling to a far away country you'll have some time > to burn on the airplane. Would be nice to use your computer during > that time which, presumably, you'll be offline. > > If you use google gears or some other system that lets you work > locally while offline then you defeat the purpose of the encryption. > > Plus, some countries that are very hostile to some things you might > want to hide also have poor international bandwidth. > > -- > Matthew Nuzum > newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From chapinjeff at gmail.com Wed Dec 16 10:15:29 2009 From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:15:29 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] The Paranoid Foreign Traveler (WAS: OT: Macbook for sale) In-Reply-To: <3effba680912160810j5e55fda4u8f29b642995030b5@mail.gmail.com> References: <3effba680912160744m6b222b00j960edba7e9755ad4@mail.gmail.com> <1260978991.22223.247.camel@localcentos5> <3effba680912160810j5e55fda4u8f29b642995030b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Perhaps combine what we have discussed? A second, encrypted partition on a flash card that contains your important, super-secret files. When crossing customs, just slap the card into a camera, and take a few pictures to camoflage? On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:10 AM, kristau wrote: > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Dave Hala Jr wrote: > > I thought the point was to get through the security checks without being > > "detained"... > > You may get in without being detained by carrying in a blank laptop > then practicing "cloud" computing, but you also need to get out again. > If they've monitored your traffic and deem our activities "suspicious" > in any way, they may still decide to detain you while you are still in > the country or as you are trying to leave. > > (yes, I'm playing a bit of Devil's Advocate here) > > -- > Tired programmer > Coding late into the night > The core dump follows > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -- Jeff Chapin President, CedarLug, retired President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it" President, UNI Scuba Club Senator, NISG, retired -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091216/31541547/attachment-0001.htm From kristau at gmail.com Wed Dec 16 10:21:46 2009 From: kristau at gmail.com (kristau) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:21:46 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Macbook for sale In-Reply-To: <0C42FC22D9143A4FA9FA3FC2EF5CFA072A8447832A@MSGCMSV21015.ent.wfb.bank.corp> References: <4B282064.1030505@dchamp.net> <3effba680912151716p4f9f0a18t54f91a1ef01f80a0@mail.gmail.com> <1260978219.22223.245.camel@localcentos5> <1260979948.22223.251.camel@localcentos5> <0C42FC22D9143A4FA9FA3FC2EF5CFA072A8447832A@MSGCMSV21015.ent.wfb.bank.corp> Message-ID: <3effba680912160821s594a17fek86a0e7bae8ef927a@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:14 AM, wrote: > I took my wife and daughter to Israel a couple of years ago and had a wonderful trip. ?We didn't have any troubles at all. ?Well, no more than getting on the plane here in the US. ?Although I was not carrying a computer we were all carrying cameras, film, etc. ?And there were those in our group that were carrying laptops and so forth. ?None of them had any trouble as far as I know. ?I'd love to go again, as soon as I can afford it again. > > Murray McKee Judging by your last name and the origin of your flight, however, I don't think you were considered much of a threat in Israel. Were any of your party of Islamic descent or did any of them look the part? I recall returning to the US from Tijuana, Mexico several years ago (9/11). None of our party looked even remotely Mexican and we were pretty much waved through without so much as a second glance. The lady in line behind us, however, was not as lucky. I could hear the questions starting as we walked away. -- Tired programmer Coding late into the night The core dump follows From barry at vonahsen.com Wed Dec 16 10:24:45 2009 From: barry at vonahsen.com (Barry Von Ahsen) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:24:45 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] The Paranoid Foreign Traveler (WAS: OT: Macbook for sale) In-Reply-To: References: <3effba680912160744m6b222b00j960edba7e9755ad4@mail.gmail.com> <1260978991.22223.247.camel@localcentos5> <3effba680912160810j5e55fda4u8f29b642995030b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B2909CD.5090106@vonahsen.com> microsd plus spy coins? http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/tools/b308/ of course, I'd think a 50 cent piece is suspicious, but better than carrying flash drives in ${orifice} -barry Jeff Chapin wrote: > Perhaps combine what we have discussed? > > A second, encrypted partition on a flash card that contains your important, > super-secret files. When crossing customs, just slap the card into a camera, > and take a few pictures to camoflage? > > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:10 AM, kristau wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Dave Hala Jr wrote: >>> I thought the point was to get through the security checks without being >>> "detained"... >> You may get in without being detained by carrying in a blank laptop >> then practicing "cloud" computing, but you also need to get out again. >> If they've monitored your traffic and deem our activities "suspicious" >> in any way, they may still decide to detain you while you are still in >> the country or as you are trying to leave. >> >> (yes, I'm playing a bit of Devil's Advocate here) >> >> -- >> Tired programmer >> Coding late into the night >> The core dump follows >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug at cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From afan at afan.net Wed Dec 16 10:25:16 2009 From: afan at afan.net (Afan Pasalic) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:25:16 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Macbook for sale In-Reply-To: <1260979948.22223.251.camel@localcentos5> References: <4B282064.1030505@dchamp.net> <3effba680912151716p4f9f0a18t54f91a1ef01f80a0@mail.gmail.com> <1260978219.22223.245.camel@localcentos5> <1260979948.22223.251.camel@localcentos5> Message-ID: <4B2909EC.2050607@afan.net> Dave Hala Jr wrote: > Well, I guess your only option would be an encrypted usb drive hidden in > a body cavity. > > Personally, as an American, I wouldn't even consider traveling anywhere > in the middle east or to countries with similiar laws. > I'm from "such a country", Bosnia. though, I don't think there is such a law, in any country. it's about morons they take the law in their hands and behave as "lawmakers". recently I visited my parent there with two laptops and two netbooks. half was mine and half presents. all security officers in every country was laughing at me. I was lucky none stopped me questioning. I don't think there is law in Israel saying "kill any suspected laptop with 3 shots. if OS is linux - 4 shots. if visitor is carrying desktop - kill the case leave the monitor" :-) afan > > :) Dave > > On Wed, 2009-12-16 at 10:02 -0600, Matthew Nuzum wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Dave Hala Jr wrote: >> How about encrypting your data and storing "in the cloud" or >> just >> working online in cloud. Then you'd just be carrying a more or >> less >> blank laptop. >> >> >> Well, if you're travelling to a far away country you'll have some time >> to burn on the airplane. Would be nice to use your computer during >> that time which, presumably, you'll be offline. >> >> If you use google gears or some other system that lets you work >> locally while offline then you defeat the purpose of the encryption. >> >> Plus, some countries that are very hostile to some things you might >> want to hide also have poor international bandwidth. >> >> -- >> Matthew Nuzum >> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug at cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Personally, as an American, I wouldn't even consider traveling anywhere in the middle east or to countries with similiar laws. I'm from "such a country", Bosnia. though, I don't think there is such a law, in any country. it's about morons they take the law in their hands and behave as "lawmakers". recently I visited my parent there with two laptops and two netbooks. half was mine and half presents. all security officers in every country was laughing at me. I was lucky none stopped me questioning. I don't think there is law in Israel saying "kill any suspected laptop with 3 shots. if OS is linux - 4 shots. if visitor is carrying desktop - kill the case leave the monitor" :-) afan :) Dave On Wed, 2009-12-16 at 10:02 -0600, Matthew Nuzum wrote: On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Dave Hala Jr wrote: How about encrypting your data and storing "in the cloud" or just working online in cloud. Then you'd just be carrying a more or less blank laptop. Well, if you're travelling to a far away country you'll have some time to burn on the airplane. Would be nice to use your computer during that time which, presumably, you'll be offline. If you use google gears or some other system that lets you work locally while offline then you defeat the purpose of the encryption. Plus, some countries that are very hostile to some things you might want to hide also have poor international bandwidth. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091216/5c464785/attachment.htm From afan at afan.net Wed Dec 16 10:43:49 2009 From: afan at afan.net (Afan Pasalic) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:43:49 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Macbook for sale In-Reply-To: References: <4B282064.1030505@dchamp.net> <3effba680912151716p4f9f0a18t54f91a1ef01f80a0@mail.gmail.com> <1260978219.22223.245.camel@localcentos5> <1260979948.22223.251.camel@localcentos5> <4B2909EC.2050607@afan.net> Message-ID: <4B290E45.6020001@afan.net> Nathan C. Smith wrote: > kill the case leave the monitor, is that like leave the gun, take the > cannoli? since HD, MOBO, CPU... are in the case, maybe? :-) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* cialug-bounces at cialug.org > [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] *On Behalf Of *Afan Pasalic > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 16, 2009 10:25 AM > *To:* Central Iowa Linux Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [Cialug] OT: Macbook for sale > > Dave Hala Jr wrote: >> Well, I guess your only option would be an encrypted usb drive hidden in >> a body cavity. >> >> Personally, as an American, I wouldn't even consider traveling anywhere >> in the middle east or to countries with similiar laws. >> > I'm from "such a country", Bosnia. though, I don't think there is > such a law, in any country. it's about morons they take the law in > their hands and behave as "lawmakers". > recently I visited my parent there with two laptops and two > netbooks. half was mine and half presents. all security officers > in every country was laughing at me. I was lucky none stopped me > questioning. > > I don't think there is law in Israel saying "kill any suspected > laptop with 3 shots. if OS is linux - 4 shots. if visitor is > carrying desktop - kill the case leave the monitor" > > :-) > > afan > > >> :) Dave >> >> On Wed, 2009-12-16 at 10:02 -0600, Matthew Nuzum wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Dave Hala Jr wrote: >>> How about encrypting your data and storing "in the cloud" or >>> just >>> working online in cloud. Then you'd just be carrying a more or >>> less >>> blank laptop. >>> >>> >>> Well, if you're travelling to a far away country you'll have some time >>> to burn on the airplane. Would be nice to use your computer during >>> that time which, presumably, you'll be offline. >>> >>> If you use google gears or some other system that lets you work >>> locally while offline then you defeat the purpose of the encryption. >>> >>> Plus, some countries that are very hostile to some things you might >>> want to hide also have poor international bandwidth. >>> >>> -- >>> Matthew Nuzum >>> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Cialug mailing list >>> Cialug at cialug.org >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug at cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091216/240def52/attachment-0001.htm From alan.maupin at gmail.com Wed Dec 16 10:50:37 2009 From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:50:37 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Macbook for sale In-Reply-To: References: <4B282064.1030505@dchamp.net> <3effba680912151716p4f9f0a18t54f91a1ef01f80a0@mail.gmail.com> <1260978219.22223.245.camel@localcentos5> <1260979948.22223.251.camel@localcentos5> <4B2909EC.2050607@afan.net> Message-ID: <8F435563-0DB7-4C9C-A8EE-CB89092F1C11@gmail.com> As the previous post on this topic demonstrate, there are plenty of methods of securing data on a laptop. The Israelis have been subject to extreme terrorist attacks and certainly the IDF has a very detailed SOP on the identification of possible threats to security involving laptops. I'd venture to say that those SOP's are now being updated to include directions for targeting the more important component. Shooting the hard drive is an excellent field expedient method of rendering it not only inoperative but also destroying it to the point of not being able to recover data except in the most costly of methods. The IDF is probably thankful for the valuable feedback provided by this blogger. On Dec 16, 2009, at 10:31 AM, Nathan C. Smith wrote: > kill the case leave the monitor, is that like leave the gun, take the cannoli? > > > From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Afan Pasalic > Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 10:25 AM > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Cialug] OT: Macbook for sale > > Dave Hala Jr wrote: >> >> Well, I guess your only option would be an encrypted usb drive hidden in >> a body cavity. >> >> Personally, as an American, I wouldn't even consider traveling anywhere >> in the middle east or to countries with similiar laws. >> > I'm from "such a country", Bosnia. though, I don't think there is such a law, in any country. it's about morons they take the law in their hands and behave as "lawmakers". > recently I visited my parent there with two laptops and two netbooks. half was mine and half presents. all security officers in every country was laughing at me. I was lucky none stopped me questioning. > > I don't think there is law in Israel saying "kill any suspected laptop with 3 shots. if OS is linux - 4 shots. if visitor is carrying desktop - kill the case leave the monitor" > > :-) > > afan > > >> :) Dave >> >> On Wed, 2009-12-16 at 10:02 -0600, Matthew Nuzum wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Dave Hala Jr wrote: >>> How about encrypting your data and storing "in the cloud" or >>> just >>> working online in cloud. Then you'd just be carrying a more or >>> less >>> blank laptop. >>> >>> >>> Well, if you're travelling to a far away country you'll have some time >>> to burn on the airplane. Would be nice to use your computer during >>> that time which, presumably, you'll be offline. >>> >>> If you use google gears or some other system that lets you work >>> locally while offline then you defeat the purpose of the encryption. >>> >>> Plus, some countries that are very hostile to some things you might >>> want to hide also have poor international bandwidth. >>> >>> -- >>> Matthew Nuzum >>> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Cialug mailing list >>> Cialug at cialug.org >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug at cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091216/3f70077f/attachment.htm From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Wed Dec 16 10:52:40 2009 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:52:40 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] The Paranoid Foreign Traveler Message-ID: <4B28BBF80200002E0003B4A7@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> (The paranoid one finally joins the discussion ;) It all comes down to your respective levels of risk tolerance and risk presence: 1) If you are traveling to a friendly country (low risk) and are OK with problems happening (high tolerance) Go ahead and bring a laptop. Don't worry about encryption, but it's best to have data backups and insurance on the laptop. If customs gives you grief, don't fight them past that point where filing an insurance claim and doing a data restore seem pleasant in comparison. 2) If you are traveling to a friendly country (low risk) and are NOT OK with problems happening (low tolerance) Leave your laptop at home. Pay to use Internet cafes instead or buy a netbook there and leave it behind when you go. 3) If you are traveling to an unfriendly country (high risk) and are OK with problems happening (high tolerance) Use a clean build and disk-level encryption. Expect to be forced to enter your password by customs. Don't have anything for them to find. Expect to be hassled. 4) If you are traveling to an unfriendly country (high risk) and are NOT OK with problems happening (low tolerance) Don't bring a laptop. Period. 5) If you are traveling to an unfriendly country (high risk), are OK with problems happening (low tolerance) and need to engage in sensitive work (high personal risk), then it's time to be paranoid. Bring a cleaned laptop with an encrypted /home partition and LOTS of RAM. Set the system so that /tmp, /var/log, /var/run and the various usual suspects are RAM drives mounted with noexec and nosetuid. Disable hibernation. Keep your sensitive data within other innocuous files using stegonography and put those files in an encrypted folder called something likle /home/$user/Documents/Work/Backups. Use misdirection and create a bunch of useless files in /home/$user/Documents/Work (Google searches on filetype:doc are useful here). Disable bluetooth and wifi during your whole visit. Disable booting from USB/SD/etc. Lock the bios with a password. If possible (dunno if it is), requite both a password and fingerprint read to login. Set the laptop to autolock after 30s of inactivity. Require both a password and fingerprint to bypass the screensaver. Set up Firefox to use TOR, WOT, Adblock Plus, Better Privacy, No Script and LongURL within a dedicated profile. Create a fake profile that sets your home page to MSN that starts up by default. Try to use any data in plain text mode, be that .csv, .txt, etc. If you must use a fancy tool, import it in and export it back out to avoid any macro-related malicious code. Regularly backup and changed sensitive data to an svn server back in the States over HTTPS. Make sure that the home page for the svn server looks like a "post my vacation photos to here" sort of site, just in case anyone tracks the traffic through tor. Run ClamAV or Sophos. Enable your local IPTables-based firewall and configure it appropriately. Carry a special thumbdrive with an encrypted volume on it called "Secret". Keep it clipped to your bag and easily findable. If questioned, claim that only your boss knows the password and that you're just carrying it for him/her. If they want it, let them have it. Put the Linux kernel sources in there as well as lolcat photos, just in case they crack it. Don't use your laptop on the plane, read a book instead. Be prepared to leave the laptop behind, if need be. In some cases, this may actually be preferable. When you return, if you still have the laptop, wipe it clean before connecting to any network at all. Reinstall the BIOS. Zero out the disk. Install a new OS. Apply updates. Install ClamAV or Sophos. Create a new partition, mount it nosetuid and noexec. Copy the data out of your SVN server to this partition. Scan it twice. Use deep scans. Leaving your computer off the network, sort the files into the ones where you actually have regular plain text files and those that you do not. For the ones that you do not, open each in a non-standard application (use kWriter or Word under Wine for OO, etc). Save them to a different format. Scan them all again. Then, if everything looks good, cross your fingers and connect up to the network. 5) If you are traveling to an unfriendly country (high risk), engaging in sensitive work (high personal risk) and have more chutzpah than can be spread on a bagel: Google around on "diplomatic pouch". Get the specs for an innocuous country. Google around on that country's forms of identification. Print up falsified diplomatic credentials. Get a false diplomatic pouch made. Put the laptop into the pouch. Stroll through customs like you own the place and be very rude to anyone that questions you, speaking all the time in a convincing fake accent. This will either get you past customs faster than anyone, or you'll get to spend the next several years* in prison. * It must be noted that your prison time may be much shorter... and be ended with a bullet**. ** This is not a recommended technique, by the way. -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej at alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 >>> Jeff Chapin 12/16/09 10:15 AM >>> Perhaps combine what we have discussed? A second, encrypted partition on a flash card that contains your important, super-secret files. When crossing customs, just slap the card into a camera, and take a few pictures to camoflage? On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:10 AM, kristau wrote: > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Dave Hala Jr wrote: > > I thought the point was to get through the security checks without being > > "detained"... > > You may get in without being detained by carrying in a blank laptop > then practicing "cloud" computing, but you also need to get out again. > If they've monitored your traffic and deem our activities "suspicious" > in any way, they may still decide to detain you while you are still in > the country or as you are trying to leave. > > (yes, I'm playing a bit of Devil's Advocate here) > > -- > Tired programmer > Coding late into the night > The core dump follows > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -- Jeff Chapin President, CedarLug, retired President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it" President, UNI Scuba Club Senator, NISG, retired From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Wed Dec 16 10:54:31 2009 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:54:31 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Macbook for sale Message-ID: <4B28BC670200002E0003B4AB@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> I'm pretty sure that even in Israel, they have to at least plant a knife in the laptop bag before shooting it. You know, procedure and all. -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej at alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 >>> Afan Pasalic 12/16/09 10:25 AM >>> Dave Hala Jr wrote: > Well, I guess your only option would be an encrypted usb drive hidden in > a body cavity. > > Personally, as an American, I wouldn't even consider traveling anywhere > in the middle east or to countries with similiar laws. > I'm from "such a country", Bosnia. though, I don't think there is such a law, in any country. it's about morons they take the law in their hands and behave as "lawmakers". recently I visited my parent there with two laptops and two netbooks. half was mine and half presents. all security officers in every country was laughing at me. I was lucky none stopped me questioning. I don't think there is law in Israel saying "kill any suspected laptop with 3 shots. if OS is linux - 4 shots. if visitor is carrying desktop - kill the case leave the monitor" :-) afan > > :) Dave > > On Wed, 2009-12-16 at 10:02 -0600, Matthew Nuzum wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Dave Hala Jr wrote: >> How about encrypting your data and storing "in the cloud" or >> just >> working online in cloud. Then you'd just be carrying a more or >> less >> blank laptop. >> >> >> Well, if you're travelling to a far away country you'll have some time >> to burn on the airplane. Would be nice to use your computer during >> that time which, presumably, you'll be offline. >> >> If you use google gears or some other system that lets you work >> locally while offline then you defeat the purpose of the encryption. >> >> Plus, some countries that are very hostile to some things you might >> want to hide also have poor international bandwidth. >> >> -- >> Matthew Nuzum >> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug at cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From John.Lengeling at radisys.com Wed Dec 16 11:13:42 2009 From: John.Lengeling at radisys.com (John Lengeling) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 09:13:42 -0800 Subject: [Cialug] The Paranoid Foreign Traveler In-Reply-To: <4B28BBF80200002E0003B4A7@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> References: <4B28BBF80200002E0003B4A7@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: Well I thought I was already for my upcoming trip to Shanghai... Already visited the Travel Doctor for shots, now I need to visit the Travel Geek for advice on protecting data... So is China a "friendly country"? Which of the 1-6 sections will apply for China? Johnl PS: Still waiting on a Sun and NetApp to clear China customs...they have had it for 2 months now...how long does it take to read all the data? > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Josh More > Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 10:53 AM > To: cialug at cialug.org > Subject: Re: [Cialug] The Paranoid Foreign Traveler > > (The paranoid one finally joins the discussion ;) > > > It all comes down to your respective levels of risk tolerance and risk > presence: > > 1) If you are traveling to a friendly country (low risk) and are OK with > problems happening (high tolerance) > ... > ... From kristau at gmail.com Wed Dec 16 11:14:52 2009 From: kristau at gmail.com (kristau) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:14:52 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] The Paranoid Foreign Traveler In-Reply-To: <4B28BBF80200002E0003B4A7@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> References: <4B28BBF80200002E0003B4A7@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: <3effba680912160914j26327ce0xe902c7f640fa0a17@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Josh More wrote: > It all comes down to your respective levels of risk tolerance and risk > presence. That statement boils it down to the pith. You need to determine what functions you need to perform while abroad, pack only what you need, take reasonable precautions to avoid compromise, and assess to what lengths you are willing to go to protect that data once compromised. Make a plan and think it over very carefully. And all that needs to be done prior to arriving at your first security checkpoint, because by then it is too late. -- Tired programmer Coding late into the night The core dump follows From dave at 58ghz.net Wed Dec 16 11:25:47 2009 From: dave at 58ghz.net (Dave Hala Jr) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:25:47 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Macbook for sale In-Reply-To: <4B28BC670200002E0003B4AB@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> References: <4B28BC670200002E0003B4AB@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: <1260984347.22223.275.camel@localcentos5> Krav Maga originated in Israel, and they spend a lot of time working on knife fighting. My guess is that Israeli forces plant knife's in stuff by default. On Wed, 2009-12-16 at 10:54 -0600, Josh More wrote: > I'm pretty sure that even in Israel, they have to at least plant a knife > in the laptop bag before shooting it. > > You know, procedure and all. > > > > -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC > morej at alliancetechnologies.net > 515-245-7701 > > >>> Afan Pasalic 12/16/09 10:25 AM >>> > Dave Hala Jr wrote: > > Well, I guess your only option would be an encrypted usb drive hidden > in > > a body cavity. > > > > Personally, as an American, I wouldn't even consider traveling > anywhere > > in the middle east or to countries with similiar laws. > > > I'm from "such a country", Bosnia. though, I don't think there is such a > > law, in any country. it's about morons they take the law in their hands > and behave as "lawmakers". > recently I visited my parent there with two laptops and two netbooks. > half was mine and half presents. all security officers in every country > was laughing at me. I was lucky none stopped me questioning. > > I don't think there is law in Israel saying "kill any suspected laptop > with 3 shots. if OS is linux - 4 shots. if visitor is carrying desktop > - kill the case leave the monitor" > > :-) > > afan > > > > > > :) Dave > > > > On Wed, 2009-12-16 at 10:02 -0600, Matthew Nuzum wrote: > > > >> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Dave Hala Jr wrote: > >> How about encrypting your data and storing "in the cloud" or > >> just > >> working online in cloud. Then you'd just be carrying a more > or > >> less > >> blank laptop. > >> > >> > >> Well, if you're travelling to a far away country you'll have some > time > >> to burn on the airplane. Would be nice to use your computer during > >> that time which, presumably, you'll be offline. > >> > >> If you use google gears or some other system that lets you work > >> locally while offline then you defeat the purpose of the encryption. > >> > >> Plus, some countries that are very hostile to some things you might > >> want to hide also have poor international bandwidth. > >> > >> -- > >> Matthew Nuzum > >> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Cialug mailing list > >> Cialug at cialug.org > >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug at cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Wed Dec 16 11:20:58 2009 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:20:58 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] The Paranoid Foreign Traveler Message-ID: <4B28C29B0200002E0003B4B8@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> Generally speaking, no, China is not viewed as a friendly country. In some cases I am aware of, very much unfriendly. If you can avoid bringing a laptop at all, I'd recommend that. -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej at alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 >>> "John Lengeling" 12/16/09 11:14 AM >>> Well I thought I was already for my upcoming trip to Shanghai... Already visited the Travel Doctor for shots, now I need to visit the Travel Geek for advice on protecting data... So is China a "friendly country"? Which of the 1-6 sections will apply for China? Johnl PS: Still waiting on a Sun and NetApp to clear China customs...they have had it for 2 months now...how long does it take to read all the data? > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Josh More > Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 10:53 AM > To: cialug at cialug.org > Subject: Re: [Cialug] The Paranoid Foreign Traveler > > (The paranoid one finally joins the discussion ;) > > > It all comes down to your respective levels of risk tolerance and risk > presence: > > 1) If you are traveling to a friendly country (low risk) and are OK with > problems happening (high tolerance) > ... > ... _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Wed Dec 16 11:22:21 2009 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:22:21 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Meeting Tonight Message-ID: <4B28C2ED0200002E0003B4BD@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> Just a reminder that there is a LUG meeting tonight. Also, not all of the roads downtown have been plowed away from the curb, so there is less street-parking then usual. It may be best just to plan to park in the lot. -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej at alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 From matthewb at flash.shanje.com Wed Dec 16 11:43:21 2009 From: matthewb at flash.shanje.com (Matt Breitbach) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:43:21 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Multiple messages In-Reply-To: <4B28C2ED0200002E0003B4BD@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> References: <4B28C2ED0200002E0003B4BD@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: <5465BFB55B9C42679EFADA006CAEC0F1@Core2Quad> Just wondered if the list admin could look in to what accounts I have signed up - I'm getting duplicates of every message. From kristau at gmail.com Wed Dec 16 11:45:14 2009 From: kristau at gmail.com (kristau) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:45:14 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Multiple messages In-Reply-To: <5465BFB55B9C42679EFADA006CAEC0F1@Core2Quad> References: <4B28C2ED0200002E0003B4BD@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> <5465BFB55B9C42679EFADA006CAEC0F1@Core2Quad> Message-ID: <3effba680912160945r126828b7s971822f77467e8f2@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Matt Breitbach wrote: > Just wondered if the list admin could look in to what accounts I have signed > up - I'm getting duplicates of every message. Inspect your mail headers for each message. Those should reveal the To: address for you. -- Tired programmer Coding late into the night The core dump follows From matthewb at flash.shanje.com Wed Dec 16 11:49:28 2009 From: matthewb at flash.shanje.com (Matt Breitbach) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:49:28 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Multiple messages In-Reply-To: <3effba680912160945r126828b7s971822f77467e8f2@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B28C2ED0200002E0003B4BD@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> <5465BFB55B9C42679EFADA006CAEC0F1@Core2Quad> <3effba680912160945r126828b7s971822f77467e8f2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1739A32753EE4312B2D2E9681F89731E@Core2Quad> Yeah, not so much : From: kristau To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group -----Original Message----- From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of kristau Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 11:45 AM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] Multiple messages On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Matt Breitbach wrote: > Just wondered if the list admin could look in to what accounts I have signed > up - I'm getting duplicates of every message. Inspect your mail headers for each message. Those should reveal the To: address for you. -- Tired programmer Coding late into the night The core dump follows _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Wed Dec 16 11:55:47 2009 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:55:47 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Multiple messages Message-ID: <4B28CAC30200002E0003B4C7@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> cialug at flash.shanje.com matthewb at flash.shanje.com registration at flash.shanje.com Those are all of the Shanje accounts. -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej at alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 >>> "Matt Breitbach" 12/16/09 11:49 AM >>> Yeah, not so much : From: kristau To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group -----Original Message----- From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of kristau Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 11:45 AM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] Multiple messages On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Matt Breitbach wrote: > Just wondered if the list admin could look in to what accounts I have signed > up - I'm getting duplicates of every message. Inspect your mail headers for each message. Those should reveal the To: address for you. -- Tired programmer Coding late into the night The core dump follows _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From matthewb at flash.shanje.com Wed Dec 16 11:56:30 2009 From: matthewb at flash.shanje.com (Matt Breitbach) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:56:30 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Multiple messages In-Reply-To: <4B28CAC30200002E0003B4C7@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> References: <4B28CAC30200002E0003B4C7@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: <916C96C38C7B4D6BB518DF3E430E5369@Core2Quad> Could you nuke off registration and cialug? -----Original Message----- From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Josh More Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 11:56 AM To: cialug at cialug.org Subject: Re: [Cialug] Multiple messages cialug at flash.shanje.com matthewb at flash.shanje.com registration at flash.shanje.com Those are all of the Shanje accounts. -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej at alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 >>> "Matt Breitbach" 12/16/09 11:49 AM >>> Yeah, not so much : From: kristau To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group -----Original Message----- From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of kristau Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 11:45 AM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] Multiple messages On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Matt Breitbach wrote: > Just wondered if the list admin could look in to what accounts I have signed > up - I'm getting duplicates of every message. Inspect your mail headers for each message. Those should reveal the To: address for you. -- Tired programmer Coding late into the night The core dump follows _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Wed Dec 16 11:57:18 2009 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:57:18 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Multiple messages Message-ID: <4B28CB1E0200002E0003B4CB@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> Sorry folks. This was supposed to be private to Matt. Sorry Matt. (I could have sworn I edited the To: line.) -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej at alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 >>> "Josh More" 12/16/09 11:55 AM >>> -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej at alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 >>> "Matt Breitbach" 12/16/09 11:49 AM >>> Yeah, not so much : From: kristau To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group -----Original Message----- From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of kristau Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 11:45 AM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] Multiple messages On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Matt Breitbach wrote: > Just wondered if the list admin could look in to what accounts I have signed > up - I'm getting duplicates of every message. Inspect your mail headers for each message. Those should reveal the To: address for you. -- Tired programmer Coding late into the night The core dump follows _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From atporter at gmail.com Wed Dec 16 12:05:57 2009 From: atporter at gmail.com (Aaron Porter) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:05:57 -0800 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Jobs In-Reply-To: References: <4B2767710200002E0003B3AF@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: <667aab920912161005q7fee8dc0x6e2118af620ce86e@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Todd Walton wrote: > I asked this same question once on the KPLUG (San Diego) mailing list. > ?Some of the guys there had gotten Unix jobs at their university way > back when, and a surprising number had gotten into it by starting > their own ISP or similar business, in the early days of the Internet. > Both of those options seem unrealistic today. ?Both have "matured" > into professionally run jobs, though I could imagine being a student > lackey or intern, if you were attending university. I fall into this category... starting an ISP back in the very early 90's. The good ole' days... a couple of 486-DX33's, stacks of modems, a CSU/DSU and the ?leen Frisch book. Then again, from 1993-2001 or so just being able to get an httpd up and running was a very marketable skill. We also had a LUG in school with the specific focus of professional development -- took the standard list of campus IT services (web, mail, samba, appleshare, database hosting) and always managed to stay a few very meaningful steps ahead of the support curve. We ended up getting a couple of the liberal arts departments to move their websites & filesharing onto our (built from scraps) network both because we didn't charge-back like the central IT did and because our performance, uptime and support were better. At least 8 of our members (myself included) got jobs after school directly from our experiences and reputation in the LUG. Today, if you're hell-bent on being paid to develop your skills I frequently see companies hiring datacenter tech type people. In our organization that can be a rapid growth position. But if you're willing to forge ahead on your own -- computers, network access, etc are so much easier to come by than they used to be. VMs on home systems or hosted are another great development for the aspiring admin. Sit down, imagine all of the moving parts on the type of network you'd like to work on and start building them. Scrape together parts for a 1U or two... find a cheap place to host them. Convince a couple of friends to move their websites & mail domains over. Not that hard to do, and you can point to the system you run with happy users and a visible internet presense. I know not every company's excited to hire the self taught but some are, and they're usually a blast to work for. From atporter at gmail.com Wed Dec 16 12:13:36 2009 From: atporter at gmail.com (Aaron Porter) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:13:36 -0800 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Jobs In-Reply-To: <667aab920912161005q7fee8dc0x6e2118af620ce86e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B2767710200002E0003B3AF@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> <667aab920912161005q7fee8dc0x6e2118af620ce86e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <667aab920912161013m41c1f149x63f9f37b7dc2197c@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Aaron Porter wrote: > I fall into this category... starting an ISP back in the very early > 90's. The good ole' days... a couple of 486-DX33's, stacks of modems, > a CSU/DSU and the ?leen Frisch book. I found my old polaroid of version 3.0 of our NOC/Datacenter/Cave. This looks like it was probably mid to late 1993. Good times. http://primate.net/img/novasys2.jpg From ckulish at shazam.net Wed Dec 16 12:17:53 2009 From: ckulish at shazam.net (Kulish, Chris) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 12:17:53 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Jobs In-Reply-To: <667aab920912161013m41c1f149x63f9f37b7dc2197c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B2767710200002E0003B3AF@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net><667aab920912161005q7fee8dc0x6e2118af620ce86e@mail.gmail.com> <667aab920912161013m41c1f149x63f9f37b7dc2197c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0EBF76EBDA01C04F8D281DE3992D43DA0719C474@jn-exch2.Shazam.net> I also fell into the self trained category, but with Windows NT (3.51 and 4). And that first Windows job is the one that threw me into Linux. -----Original Message----- From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Porter Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 12:14 PM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] Linux Jobs On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Aaron Porter wrote: > I fall into this category... starting an ISP back in the very early > 90's. The good ole' days... a couple of 486-DX33's, stacks of modems, > a CSU/DSU and the ?leen Frisch book. I found my old polaroid of version 3.0 of our NOC/Datacenter/Cave. This looks like it was probably mid to late 1993. Good times. http://primate.net/img/novasys2.jpg _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug Attention: This electronic document and associated attachments (if any) may contain confidential information of the sender (SHAZAM Network) and is intended solely for use by the addressee(s). Review by unintended individuals is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient: (i) do not read, transmit, copy, disclose, store, or utilize this communication in any manner; (ii) please reply to the sender immediately, state that you received it in error and permanently delete this message and any attachment(s) from your computer and destroy the material in its entirety if in hard copy format. If you are the intended recipient, please use discretion in any email reply to ensure that you do not send confidential information as we cannot secure it through this medium. By responding to us through internet e-mail, you agree to hold SHAZAM, Inc. and all affiliated companies harmless for any unintentional dissemination of information contained in your message. Thank you. From newz at bearfruit.org Wed Dec 16 13:07:29 2009 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:07:29 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Meeting Reminder - Wednesday In-Reply-To: <4B26357C0200002E0003B2FF@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> References: <4B26357C0200002E0003B2FF@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: Is it at Aliance or did the venue change? (I seem to remember hearing about a venue change a while back) On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Josh More wrote: > This is just a reminder that we do have a meeting this Wednesday. The > default topic is Networking, assuming no one has anything more > interesting. To be frank, all I know about networking generally > involves circumventing protocols, so if any of you have any good topics > on that front, this will be a good meeting to bring up such things. > > > > > -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC > morej at alliancetechnologies.net > 515-245-7701 > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091216/4b88e7dc/attachment.htm From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Wed Dec 16 13:08:24 2009 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:08:24 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Meeting Reminder - Wednesday Message-ID: <4B28DBC80200002E0003B4ED@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> It's here at Alliance. The venue change was one-time only and was due to a conflict with us meeting on a non-standard night. -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej at alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 >>> Matthew Nuzum 12/16/09 1:07 PM >>> Is it at Aliance or did the venue change? (I seem to remember hearing about a venue change a while back) On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Josh More wrote: > This is just a reminder that we do have a meeting this Wednesday. The > default topic is Networking, assuming no one has anything more > interesting. To be frank, all I know about networking generally > involves circumventing protocols, so if any of you have any good topics > on that front, this will be a good meeting to bring up such things. > > > > > -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC > morej at alliancetechnologies.net > 515-245-7701 > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter From newz at bearfruit.org Wed Dec 16 13:36:03 2009 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:36:03 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Jobs In-Reply-To: <0EBF76EBDA01C04F8D281DE3992D43DA0719C474@jn-exch2.Shazam.net> References: <4B2767710200002E0003B3AF@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> <667aab920912161005q7fee8dc0x6e2118af620ce86e@mail.gmail.com> <667aab920912161013m41c1f149x63f9f37b7dc2197c@mail.gmail.com> <0EBF76EBDA01C04F8D281DE3992D43DA0719C474@jn-exch2.Shazam.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Kulish, Chris wrote: > I also fell into the self trained category, but with Windows NT (3.51 and > 4). > And that first Windows job is the one that threw me into Linux. > > I also am self trained. My professional computer career started in Best Buy at what is now called the Geek Squad. Then to a PC Repair company that focused on Novel Netware. They had a number of specialists in Novel stuff as well as general PC techs; they hired me to be the guy that did everything else, which was Windows NT and Xenix/Unixware. I got to watch Netware go down the tubes and NT take over. (In large part because of Small Business Server) A growing customer hired me full-time in '99 and gave me the opportunity to get a taste of web-development. One thing led to another and here I am. :-) -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091216/449e9486/attachment.htm From tdwalton at gmail.com Wed Dec 16 14:27:21 2009 From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:27:21 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Macbook for sale In-Reply-To: <1260979948.22223.251.camel@localcentos5> References: <4B282064.1030505@dchamp.net> <3effba680912151716p4f9f0a18t54f91a1ef01f80a0@mail.gmail.com> <1260978219.22223.245.camel@localcentos5> <1260979948.22223.251.camel@localcentos5> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Dave Hala Jr wrote: > Personally, as an American, I wouldn't even consider traveling anywhere > in the middle east or to countries with similiar laws. I can't imagine you'd have much trouble in Israel just for being American. And I have traveled to the UAE and had absolutely no problem. Don't paint the entire Middle East with one brush stroke. -- Todd From tdwalton at gmail.com Wed Dec 16 14:32:34 2009 From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:32:34 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] The Paranoid Foreign Traveler In-Reply-To: <4B28BBF80200002E0003B4A7@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> References: <4B28BBF80200002E0003B4A7@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Josh More wrote: > (The paranoid one finally joins the discussion ?;) > > It all comes down to your respective levels of risk tolerance and risk > presence: Wow. You've really thought this through haven't you? -- Todd From doncady at gmail.com Wed Dec 16 14:35:06 2009 From: doncady at gmail.com (Don Cady) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:35:06 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Macbook for sale In-Reply-To: References: <4B282064.1030505@dchamp.net> <3effba680912151716p4f9f0a18t54f91a1ef01f80a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Matthew Nuzum wrote: > Well, if I had such sensitive and critical data that I needed to hide my > operating system then it would probably be worthwhile tradeoff. > > Considering that truecrypt works on Linux and Mac OS and that Linux has a > lot of encryption options available to it, and the filesystem is opensource > as well as the bootloader and the rest of the OS, I'm surprised that it > isn't a supported operating system for this. > > Maybe it changes too fast. > > -- > Matthew Nuzum > newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter You could always run a VM that lives in an encrypted volume. The VMM would give away the fact that it exists by pointing to it in normal space, but the Truecrypt bootloader does almost the same. It doesn't point directly to it, but why else would you be using that bootloader? There goes deniability (+ the bits Schneier showed) . Nate- It's not OSS, but Pointsec is still available. Don From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Wed Dec 16 14:35:37 2009 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:35:37 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] The Paranoid Foreign Traveler Message-ID: <4B28F0390200002E0003B513@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> Well... it *is* my job. :) -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej at alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 >>> Todd Walton 12/16/09 2:32 PM >>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Josh More wrote: > (The paranoid one finally joins the discussion ;) > > It all comes down to your respective levels of risk tolerance and risk > presence: Wow. You've really thought this through haven't you? -- Todd _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From doncady at gmail.com Wed Dec 16 14:38:04 2009 From: doncady at gmail.com (Don Cady) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:38:04 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Macbook for sale In-Reply-To: <4B2909EC.2050607@afan.net> References: <4B282064.1030505@dchamp.net> <3effba680912151716p4f9f0a18t54f91a1ef01f80a0@mail.gmail.com> <1260978219.22223.245.camel@localcentos5> <1260979948.22223.251.camel@localcentos5> <4B2909EC.2050607@afan.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Afan Pasalic wrote: -snip- > was mine and half presents. all security officers in every country was > laughing at me. I was lucky none stopped me questioning. Why? Was each one assuming the one at the next station would 'confiscate' a couple of them? Don From dave at 58ghz.net Wed Dec 16 14:51:07 2009 From: dave at 58ghz.net (Dave Hala Jr) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:51:07 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Macbook for sale In-Reply-To: References: <4B282064.1030505@dchamp.net> <3effba680912151716p4f 9f0a18t54f91a1ef01f80a0@mail.gmail.com> <1260978219.22223.245.camel @localcentos5> <1260979948.22223.251.camel@localcentos5> Message-ID: <1260996667.22223.291.camel@localcentos5> Why not, the entire middle east does the same with the U.S. If we're there, we're the bad guys. If we're not there its our fault. :) Dave On Wed, 2009-12-16 at 14:27 -0600, Todd Walton wrote: > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Dave Hala Jr wrote: > > Personally, as an American, I wouldn't even consider traveling anywhere > > in the middle east or to countries with similiar laws. > > I can't imagine you'd have much trouble in Israel just for being > American. And I have traveled to the UAE and had absolutely no > problem. > > Don't paint the entire Middle East with one brush stroke. > > -- > Todd > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From dave at dchamp.net Wed Dec 16 16:15:18 2009 From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:15:18 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Multiple messages In-Reply-To: <1739A32753EE4312B2D2E9681F89731E@Core2Quad> References: <4B28C2ED0200002E0003B4BD@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> <5465BFB55B9C42679EFADA006CAEC0F1@Core2Quad> <3effba680912160945r126828b7s971822f77467e8f2@mail.gmail.com> <1739A32753EE4312B2D2E9681F89731E@Core2Quad> Message-ID: <4B295BF6.9000200@dchamp.net> You'd need to look at the message headers (in Thunderbird, it's view->headers->all), and look at the X-Original-To: field. If you're using Outlook... you're on your own. Also, as a reminder, you all have the ability to change your mailing list subscription options using the mailman url at the bottom of each message. If you have multiple accounts subscribed, want to post from any of them, but only receive on one, you can set all but one to "nomail". -dc Matt Breitbach wrote: > Yeah, not so much : > > From: kristau > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf > Of kristau > Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 11:45 AM > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Cialug] Multiple messages > > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Matt Breitbach > wrote: > >> Just wondered if the list admin could look in to what accounts I have >> > signed > >> up - I'm getting duplicates of every message. >> > > Inspect your mail headers for each message. Those should reveal the > To: address for you. > > From matthewb at flash.shanje.com Wed Dec 16 16:33:27 2009 From: matthewb at flash.shanje.com (Matt Breitbach) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:33:27 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Multiple messages In-Reply-To: <4B295BF6.9000200@dchamp.net> References: <4B28C2ED0200002E0003B4BD@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> <5465BFB55B9C42679EFADA006CAEC0F1@Core2Quad> <3effba680912160945r126828b7s971822f77467e8f2@mail.gmail.com><1739A32753EE4312B2D2E9681F89731E@Core2Quad> <4B295BF6.9000200@dchamp.net> Message-ID: <3583ED7FA29241A881529D343171016F@Core2Quad> Yeah, there was no original-to: field. Anyway, fixed now. -----Original Message----- From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of David Champion Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 4:15 PM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] Multiple messages You'd need to look at the message headers (in Thunderbird, it's view->headers->all), and look at the X-Original-To: field. If you're using Outlook... you're on your own. Also, as a reminder, you all have the ability to change your mailing list subscription options using the mailman url at the bottom of each message. If you have multiple accounts subscribed, want to post from any of them, but only receive on one, you can set all but one to "nomail". -dc Matt Breitbach wrote: > Yeah, not so much : > > From: kristau > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf > Of kristau > Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 11:45 AM > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Cialug] Multiple messages > > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Matt Breitbach > wrote: > >> Just wondered if the list admin could look in to what accounts I have >> > signed > >> up - I'm getting duplicates of every message. >> > > Inspect your mail headers for each message. Those should reveal the > To: address for you. > > _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From matthewb at flash.shanje.com Wed Dec 16 16:36:10 2009 From: matthewb at flash.shanje.com (Matt Breitbach) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:36:10 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] HA ZFS on different subnets? Message-ID: I'm thinking about playing with ZFS and using it as my backend storage solution. One thing I would like to do at some point is make it highly available, with a disaster-recovery location elsewhere. The setup requirements seem to say that to build an HA OpenSolaris cluster they have to be on the same subnet. Anyone tried doing it on different subnets, and if so, what was the result? From jrnosee at gmail.com Wed Dec 16 16:47:30 2009 From: jrnosee at gmail.com (jrnosee at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:47:30 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Meeting Reminder - Wednesday Message-ID: <4b296374.47c1f10a.4465.fffff355@mx.google.com> Any further detail on tonight's topic or just networking? -----Original Message----- From: Josh More Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 1:08 PM To: newz at bearfruit.org; cialug at cialug.org Subject: Re: [Cialug] Meeting Reminder - Wednesday It's here at Alliance. The venue change was one-time only and was due to a conflict with us meeting on a non-standard night. -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej at alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 >>> Matthew Nuzum 12/16/09 1:07 PM >>> Is it at Aliance or did the venue change? (I seem to remember hearing about a venue change a while back) On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Josh More wrote: > This is just a reminder that we do have a meeting this Wednesday. The > default topic is Networking, assuming no one has anything more > interesting. To be frank, all I know about networking generally > involves circumventing protocols, so if any of you have any good topics > on that front, this will be a good meeting to bring up such things. > > > > > -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC > morej at alliancetechnologies.net > 515-245-7701 > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Wed Dec 16 17:07:50 2009 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:07:50 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Meeting Reminder - Wednesday Message-ID: <4B2913E60200002E0003B536@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> It'll be networking, branching into Linux as a career and laptop security. :) -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej at alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 >>> 12/16/09 4:47 PM >>> Any further detail on tonight's topic or just networking? -----Original Message----- From: Josh More Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 1:08 PM To: newz at bearfruit.org; cialug at cialug.org Subject: Re: [Cialug] Meeting Reminder - Wednesday It's here at Alliance. The venue change was one-time only and was due to a conflict with us meeting on a non-standard night. -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej at alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 >>> Matthew Nuzum 12/16/09 1:07 PM >>> Is it at Aliance or did the venue change? (I seem to remember hearing about a venue change a while back) On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Josh More wrote: > This is just a reminder that we do have a meeting this Wednesday. The > default topic is Networking, assuming no one has anything more > interesting. To be frank, all I know about networking generally > involves circumventing protocols, so if any of you have any good topics > on that front, this will be a good meeting to bring up such things. > > > > > -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC > morej at alliancetechnologies.net > 515-245-7701 > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From dave at dchamp.net Wed Dec 16 17:16:02 2009 From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:16:02 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Meeting Reminder - Wednesday In-Reply-To: <4b296374.47c1f10a.4465.fffff355@mx.google.com> References: <4b296374.47c1f10a.4465.fffff355@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4B296A32.1060401@dchamp.net> I won't be at the meeting tonight, so here's my update on the CIALUG -> VM server. Still waiting for an update on the VM sever. We have a few people that have expressed interest in helping out with Admin duties, will be in contact with them once we have the VM server started. Had a meeting with Jon B., who's still doing the DNS, he's happy to keep doing that unless someone else wants to, we can update it any time. He's also been paying for the domain registration since... forever, might be nice to pay him for that (although he's never asked to be reimbursed). It's currently registered to 2002-12-22. -dc jrnosee at gmail.com wrote: > Any further detail on tonight's topic or just networking? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Josh More > Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 1:08 PM > To: newz at bearfruit.org; cialug at cialug.org > Subject: Re: [Cialug] Meeting Reminder - Wednesday > > It's here at Alliance. > > The venue change was one-time only and was due to a conflict with us > meeting on a non-standard night. > > > > -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC > morej at alliancetechnologies.net > 515-245-7701 > > >>>> Matthew Nuzum 12/16/09 1:07 PM >>> >>>> > Is it at Aliance or did the venue change? (I seem to remember hearing > about > a venue change a while back) > > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Josh More > wrote: > > >> This is just a reminder that we do have a meeting this Wednesday. The >> default topic is Networking, assuming no one has anything more >> interesting. To be frank, all I know about networking generally >> involves circumventing protocols, so if any of you have any good >> > topics > >> on that front, this will be a good meeting to bring up such things. >> >> >> >> >> -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC >> morej at alliancetechnologies.net >> 515-245-7701 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug at cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> >> > > > > From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Wed Dec 16 17:18:03 2009 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:18:03 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Meeting Reminder - Wednesday Message-ID: <4B29164B0200002E0003B541@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> Dave meant to say 2012-12-22 -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej at alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 >>> David Champion 12/16/09 5:14 PM >>> I won't be at the meeting tonight, so here's my update on the CIALUG -> VM server. Still waiting for an update on the VM sever. We have a few people that have expressed interest in helping out with Admin duties, will be in contact with them once we have the VM server started. Had a meeting with Jon B., who's still doing the DNS, he's happy to keep doing that unless someone else wants to, we can update it any time. He's also been paying for the domain registration since... forever, might be nice to pay him for that (although he's never asked to be reimbursed). It's currently registered to 2002-12-22. -dc jrnosee at gmail.com wrote: > Any further detail on tonight's topic or just networking? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Josh More > Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 1:08 PM > To: newz at bearfruit.org; cialug at cialug.org > Subject: Re: [Cialug] Meeting Reminder - Wednesday > > It's here at Alliance. > > The venue change was one-time only and was due to a conflict with us > meeting on a non-standard night. > > > > -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC > morej at alliancetechnologies.net > 515-245-7701 > > >>>> Matthew Nuzum 12/16/09 1:07 PM >>> >>>> > Is it at Aliance or did the venue change? (I seem to remember hearing > about > a venue change a while back) > > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Josh More > wrote: > > >> This is just a reminder that we do have a meeting this Wednesday. The >> default topic is Networking, assuming no one has anything more >> interesting. To be frank, all I know about networking generally >> involves circumventing protocols, so if any of you have any good >> > topics > >> on that front, this will be a good meeting to bring up such things. >> >> >> >> >> -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC >> morej at alliancetechnologies.net >> 515-245-7701 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug at cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From dave at dchamp.net Wed Dec 16 17:28:10 2009 From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:28:10 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Meeting Reminder - Wednesday In-Reply-To: <4B29164B0200002E0003B541@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> References: <4B29164B0200002E0003B541@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: <4B296D0A.7060009@dchamp.net> Indeed, he did. -dc Josh More wrote: > Dave meant to say 2012-12-22 > > > > -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC > morej at alliancetechnologies.net > 515-245-7701 > > >>>> David Champion 12/16/09 5:14 PM >>> >>>> > I won't be at the meeting tonight, so here's my update on the CIALUG -> > VM server. > > Still waiting for an update on the VM sever. We have a few people that > have expressed interest in helping out with Admin duties, will be in > contact with them once we have the VM server started. > > Had a meeting with Jon B., who's still doing the DNS, he's happy to keep > > doing that unless someone else wants to, we can update it any time. > > He's also been paying for the domain registration since... forever, > might be nice to pay him for that (although he's never asked to be > reimbursed). It's currently registered to 2002-12-22. > > -dc > > jrnosee at gmail.com wrote: > >> Any further detail on tonight's topic or just networking? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Josh More >> Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 1:08 PM >> To: newz at bearfruit.org; cialug at cialug.org >> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Meeting Reminder - Wednesday >> >> It's here at Alliance. >> >> The venue change was one-time only and was due to a conflict with us >> meeting on a non-standard night. >> >> >> >> -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC >> morej at alliancetechnologies.net >> 515-245-7701 >> >> >> >>>>> Matthew Nuzum 12/16/09 1:07 PM >>> >>>>> >>>>> >> Is it at Aliance or did the venue change? (I seem to remember hearing >> about >> a venue change a while back) >> >> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Josh More >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> This is just a reminder that we do have a meeting this Wednesday. >>> > The > >>> default topic is Networking, assuming no one has anything more >>> interesting. To be frank, all I know about networking generally >>> involves circumventing protocols, so if any of you have any good >>> >>> >> topics >> >> >>> on that front, this will be a good meeting to bring up such things. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC >>> morej at alliancetechnologies.net >>> 515-245-7701 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Cialug mailing list >>> Cialug at cialug.org >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > From mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu Wed Dec 16 23:16:34 2009 From: mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu (Mathew R. Phillips) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:16:34 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] manually remove package kubuntu 9.10 References: <85c10d5a0912141213q1b1e1da3j4bb71c054eca45ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: This is what i get matt at matt-laptop:~$ sudo dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq flashplugin-nonfree dpkg: warning: overriding problem because --force enabled: Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal. (Reading database ... 115417 files and directories currently installed.) Removing flashplugin-nonfree ... update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for iceape-flashplugin. update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for iceape-flashplugin. dpkg: error processing flashplugin-nonfree (--remove): subprocess installed pre-removal script returned error exit status 2 postinst called with argument `abort-remove' dpkg: error while cleaning up: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 Errors were encountered while processing: flashplugin-nonfree -----Original Message----- From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org on behalf of Sarkhan Elkhanzade Sent: Mon 12/14/2009 2:13 PM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] manually remove package kubuntu 9.10 Did you tried 'dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq "package name" ' ? Sarkhan Elkhanzade On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Mathew R. Phillips < mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu> wrote: > > Ok...so I've had flash working since i got 9.10 installed on my computer. > The other day i did some updates and now its saying that flash is not > installed anymore. I've tried some forum postings and i can't seem to get > anything working. And to make things worse I have a messed up > flashplugin-nonfree package that i cannot fully remove right now. > > The following packages will be REMOVED: > flashplugin-nonfree > 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded. > 2 not fully installed or removed. > After this operation, 160kB disk space will be freed. > Do you want to continue [Y/n]? Y > dpkg: error processing flashplugin-nonfree (--remove): > Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should > reinstall it before attempting a removal. > Errors were encountered while processing: > flashplugin-nonfree > E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) > > Does anyone know how to manually get rid of a package without using > kpackagekit or apt? > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Phillips < mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu> wrote: > This is what i get > > matt at matt-laptop:~$ sudo dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq > flashplugin-nonfree > dpkg: warning: overriding problem because --force enabled: > Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should > reinstall it before attempting a removal. > (Reading database ... 115417 files and directories currently installed.) > Removing flashplugin-nonfree ... > update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for iceape-flashplugin. > update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for iceape-flashplugin. > dpkg: error processing flashplugin-nonfree (--remove): > subprocess installed pre-removal script returned error exit status 2 > postinst called with argument `abort-remove' > dpkg: error while cleaning up: > subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 > Errors were encountered while processing: > flashplugin-nonfree > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org on behalf of Sarkhan Elkhanzade > Sent: Mon 12/14/2009 2:13 PM > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Cialug] manually remove package kubuntu 9.10 > > Did you tried 'dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq "package name" ' ? > > Sarkhan Elkhanzade > > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Mathew R. Phillips < > mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu> wrote: > > > > > Ok...so I've had flash working since i got 9.10 installed on my computer. > > The other day i did some updates and now its saying that flash is not > > installed anymore. I've tried some forum postings and i can't seem to get > > anything working. And to make things worse I have a messed up > > flashplugin-nonfree package that i cannot fully remove right now. > > > > The following packages will be REMOVED: > > flashplugin-nonfree > > 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded. > > 2 not fully installed or removed. > > After this operation, 160kB disk space will be freed. > > Do you want to continue [Y/n]? Y > > dpkg: error processing flashplugin-nonfree (--remove): > > Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should > > reinstall it before attempting a removal. > > Errors were encountered while processing: > > flashplugin-nonfree > > E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) > > > > Does anyone know how to manually get rid of a package without using > > kpackagekit or apt? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug at cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091216/fb5a4bf5/attachment.htm From randy.rote at gmail.com Thu Dec 17 00:40:30 2009 From: randy.rote at gmail.com (Randy Rote) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 06:40:30 +0000 Subject: [Cialug] HA ZFS on different subnets? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't have specific experience with ZFS on this type of cluster arrangement, but what you need might be covered in the Geographic Edition bits ( http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Community+Group+ha-clusters/buildinggeo). I wish I had more insight on this topic, but that might be enough to get you started in the right direction. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Matt Breitbach wrote: > I'm thinking about playing with ZFS and using it as my backend storage > solution. One thing I would like to do at some point is make it highly > available, with a disaster-recovery location elsewhere. > > The setup requirements seem to say that to build an HA OpenSolaris cluster > they have to be on the same subnet. Anyone tried doing it on different > subnets, and if so, what was the result? > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091217/09eb007b/attachment.htm From mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu Thu Dec 17 07:15:39 2009 From: mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu (Mathew R. Phillips) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 07:15:39 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] manually remove package kubuntu 9.10 References: <85c10d5a0912141213q1b1e1da3j4bb71c054eca45ad@mail.gmail.com> <85c10d5a0912162151n39cc2871uaf80d82a50db829f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: That did it!...so basically when a package is corrupted delete it from that status file and reinstall it with apt and it overwrites the corrupt stuff...very neat. -----Original Message----- From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org on behalf of Sarkhan Elkhanzade Sent: Wed 12/16/2009 11:51 PM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] manually remove package kubuntu 9.10 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=455541 Try solution from post #4. It should work. Don't forget backup your '/var/lib/dpkg/status' file. If something goes wrong you can restore your system with that file. Regards, Sarkhan Elkhanzade On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Mathew R. Phillips < mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu> wrote: > This is what i get > > matt at matt-laptop:~$ sudo dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq > flashplugin-nonfree > dpkg: warning: overriding problem because --force enabled: > Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should > reinstall it before attempting a removal. > (Reading database ... 115417 files and directories currently installed.) > Removing flashplugin-nonfree ... > update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for iceape-flashplugin. > update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for iceape-flashplugin. > dpkg: error processing flashplugin-nonfree (--remove): > subprocess installed pre-removal script returned error exit status 2 > postinst called with argument `abort-remove' > dpkg: error while cleaning up: > subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 > Errors were encountered while processing: > flashplugin-nonfree > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org on behalf of Sarkhan Elkhanzade > Sent: Mon 12/14/2009 2:13 PM > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Cialug] manually remove package kubuntu 9.10 > > Did you tried 'dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq "package name" ' ? > > Sarkhan Elkhanzade > > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Mathew R. Phillips < > mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu> wrote: > > > > > Ok...so I've had flash working since i got 9.10 installed on my computer. > > The other day i did some updates and now its saying that flash is not > > installed anymore. I've tried some forum postings and i can't seem to get > > anything working. And to make things worse I have a messed up > > flashplugin-nonfree package that i cannot fully remove right now. > > > > The following packages will be REMOVED: > > flashplugin-nonfree > > 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded. > > 2 not fully installed or removed. > > After this operation, 160kB disk space will be freed. > > Do you want to continue [Y/n]? Y > > dpkg: error processing flashplugin-nonfree (--remove): > > Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should > > reinstall it before attempting a removal. > > Errors were encountered while processing: > > flashplugin-nonfree > > E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) > > > > Does anyone know how to manually get rid of a package without using > > kpackagekit or apt? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug at cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 4418 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091217/cc566018/attachment-0001.bin From sarxan at elxanzade.com Thu Dec 17 09:04:20 2009 From: sarxan at elxanzade.com (Sarkhan Elkhanzade) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:04:20 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] manually remove package kubuntu 9.10 In-Reply-To: References: <85c10d5a0912141213q1b1e1da3j4bb71c054eca45ad@mail.gmail.com> <85c10d5a0912162151n39cc2871uaf80d82a50db829f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <85c10d5a0912170704x234bad94gafb5a2cc40a0e2b3@mail.gmail.com> Yes, it is. But first do not forget did a backup of status file. Sarkhan On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 7:15 AM, Mathew R. Phillips < mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu> wrote: > That did it!...so basically when a package is corrupted delete it from that > status file and reinstall it with apt and it overwrites the corrupt > stuff...very neat. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org on behalf of Sarkhan Elkhanzade > Sent: Wed 12/16/2009 11:51 PM > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Cialug] manually remove package kubuntu 9.10 > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=455541 > > Try solution from post #4. It should work. Don't forget backup your > '/var/lib/dpkg/status' > file. If something goes wrong you can restore your system with that file. > > Regards, > Sarkhan Elkhanzade > > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Mathew R. Phillips < > mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu> wrote: > > > This is what i get > > > > matt at matt-laptop:~$ sudo dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq > > flashplugin-nonfree > > dpkg: warning: overriding problem because --force enabled: > > Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should > > reinstall it before attempting a removal. > > (Reading database ... 115417 files and directories currently installed.) > > Removing flashplugin-nonfree ... > > update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for iceape-flashplugin. > > update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for iceape-flashplugin. > > dpkg: error processing flashplugin-nonfree (--remove): > > subprocess installed pre-removal script returned error exit status 2 > > postinst called with argument `abort-remove' > > dpkg: error while cleaning up: > > subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status > 1 > > Errors were encountered while processing: > > flashplugin-nonfree > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org on behalf of Sarkhan Elkhanzade > > Sent: Mon 12/14/2009 2:13 PM > > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > > Subject: Re: [Cialug] manually remove package kubuntu 9.10 > > > > Did you tried 'dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq "package name" ' ? > > > > Sarkhan Elkhanzade > > > > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Mathew R. Phillips < > > mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu> wrote: > > > > > > > > Ok...so I've had flash working since i got 9.10 installed on my > computer. > > > The other day i did some updates and now its saying that flash is not > > > installed anymore. I've tried some forum postings and i can't seem to > get > > > anything working. And to make things worse I have a messed up > > > flashplugin-nonfree package that i cannot fully remove right now. > > > > > > The following packages will be REMOVED: > > > flashplugin-nonfree > > > 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded. > > > 2 not fully installed or removed. > > > After this operation, 160kB disk space will be freed. > > > Do you want to continue [Y/n]? 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URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091217/7db2f82b/attachment.htm From newz at bearfruit.org Thu Dec 17 11:29:47 2009 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:29:47 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] New CEO of Canonical, makes of Ubuntu Message-ID: Mark Shuttleworth announced on his blog that Jane Silber, COO of Canonical, will take over the role of CEO. http://blog.canonical.com/?p=307 (for official press release) From: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/295 From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Thu Dec 17 12:27:18 2009 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:27:18 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Firefox extensions for novice users Message-ID: <4B2A23A60200002E0003B5BD@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> What Firefox extensions do you folks recommend to help novice Linux users? I install AdBlock+ on every Firefox installation that I use, but most of the other extensions that I use are a bit overly technical for the average person. For example, as much as I rely on NoScript, I wouldn't even consider training a novice user to use such a thing. I'm installing AdBlock+, LongURL and WebOfTrust. I'm considering CookieSafe and BetterPrivacy, but think they might be a bit overly complex. Are there any favorites out there that I should be considering? -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej at alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 From dave at dchamp.net Thu Dec 17 12:35:51 2009 From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:35:51 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Firefox extensions for novice users In-Reply-To: <4B2A23A60200002E0003B5BD@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> References: <4B2A23A60200002E0003B5BD@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: <4B2A7A07.4050707@dchamp.net> I think you're talking about the Average Joe user... but if they do any web development, Web Developer toolbar, and Firebug are really useful. -dc Josh More wrote: > What Firefox extensions do you folks recommend to help novice Linux > users? > > I install AdBlock+ on every Firefox installation that I use, but most of > the other extensions that I use are a bit overly technical for the > average person. For example, as much as I rely on NoScript, I wouldn't > even consider training a novice user to use such a thing. > > I'm installing AdBlock+, LongURL and WebOfTrust. I'm considering > CookieSafe and BetterPrivacy, but think they might be a bit overly > complex. > > Are there any favorites out there that I should be considering? > > > > > -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC > morej at alliancetechnologies.net > 515-245-7701 > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Thu Dec 17 12:36:37 2009 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:36:37 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Firefox extensions for novice users In-Reply-To: <4B2A23A60200002E0003B5BD@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> References: <4B2A23A60200002E0003B5BD@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: I can't think of it - it might be longURL, but the one that shows the actual URL of the site in bold and can be set to give other details. Yeah, NoScript and some of the others that protect your privacy can get a little unwieldy. -Nate -----Original Message----- From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Josh More Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:27 PM To: cialug at cialug.org Subject: [Cialug] Firefox extensions for novice users What Firefox extensions do you folks recommend to help novice Linux users? I install AdBlock+ on every Firefox installation that I use, but most of the other extensions that I use are a bit overly technical for the average person. For example, as much as I rely on NoScript, I wouldn't even consider training a novice user to use such a thing. I'm installing AdBlock+, LongURL and WebOfTrust. I'm considering CookieSafe and BetterPrivacy, but think they might be a bit overly complex. Are there any favorites out there that I should be considering? -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej at alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From timchampion at gmail.com Thu Dec 17 12:40:15 2009 From: timchampion at gmail.com (Tim Champion) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:40:15 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Mint Linux In-Reply-To: <5a9568c20912170909t65dc0da0rc74de1cc699d4e79@mail.gmail.com> References: <5a9568c20912170909t65dc0da0rc74de1cc699d4e79@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7aa1cdb20912171040v49956b5akc873421a8b738406@mail.gmail.com> I downloaded it and booted into a live environment once, but that's about it. Don't remember much about it, except that it had a green theme, and it seemed to work. Can't really say I played with it very long. Tim Champion timchampion at gmail.com On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Tim Wilson wrote: > Anyone here use Mint? I've used Ubuntu, but was thinking Mint might be a > bit better for home use. > > -- > Tim > Required reading: http://bccplease.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm considering > CookieSafe and BetterPrivacy, but think they might be a bit overly > complex. > > Personally, I don't like adblock because it alters the way websites work. Therefore sometimes people will get an experience surfing the web contradictory to what they expect, and because they didn't "opt in" to using it they're not prepared to deal with or even comprehend the disadvantages. Flash Block is one I like but would also include in this category of something I would not enable for someone by default. However, to answer your question, the most loved extensions I've helped people with are * Speed dial (an opera or safari like homepage) * XMarks for backing up and synchronizing bookmarks, and optionally, passwords. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091217/dee77ef2/attachment.htm From timchampion at gmail.com Thu Dec 17 12:46:54 2009 From: timchampion at gmail.com (Tim Champion) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:46:54 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Firefox extensions for novice users In-Reply-To: References: <4B2A23A60200002E0003B5BD@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: <7aa1cdb20912171046r751fce87r3335420ed0b44aa0@mail.gmail.com> "DownThemAll!" extension is one I use often. If I'm looking at a photo gallery, I can pull down every image on the page all at once. I also use "Take me to URL" for those times when I web site is listed, but not href/linked. You highlight the URL, then right-click and "take me to this URL" Tim Champion timchampion at gmail.com On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Nathan C. Smith wrote: > I can't think of it - it might be longURL, but the one that shows the > actual URL of the site in bold and can be set to give other details. > > Yeah, NoScript and some of the others that protect your privacy can get a > little unwieldy. > > -Nate > > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On > Behalf Of Josh More > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:27 PM > To: cialug at cialug.org > Subject: [Cialug] Firefox extensions for novice users > > What Firefox extensions do you folks recommend to help novice Linux > users? > > I install AdBlock+ on every Firefox installation that I use, but most of > the other extensions that I use are a bit overly technical for the > average person. For example, as much as I rely on NoScript, I wouldn't > even consider training a novice user to use such a thing. > > I'm installing AdBlock+, LongURL and WebOfTrust. I'm considering > CookieSafe and BetterPrivacy, but think they might be a bit overly > complex. > > Are there any favorites out there that I should be considering? > > > > > -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC > morej at alliancetechnologies.net > 515-245-7701 > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091217/1ffcf14f/attachment.htm From tdwalton at gmail.com Thu Dec 17 13:02:18 2009 From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:02:18 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] New CEO of Canonical, makes of Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Matthew Nuzum wrote: > Mark Shuttleworth announced on his blog that Jane Silber, COO of Canonical, > will take over the role of CEO. Hopefully that works out well. It seems like a typical move for a company, to install somebody more businessy to run the company. -- Todd From tdwalton at gmail.com Thu Dec 17 13:06:06 2009 From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:06:06 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Firefox extensions for novice users In-Reply-To: <4B2A23A60200002E0003B5BD@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> References: <4B2A23A60200002E0003B5BD@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Josh More wrote: > I'm installing AdBlock+, LongURL and WebOfTrust. ?I'm considering > CookieSafe and BetterPrivacy, but think they might be a bit overly > complex. I installed BetterPrivacy after you pointed it out yesterday. I don't think it's complex at all. I set it to just delete Flash cookies on browser shutdown, and to not bug me about it. It seems to be invisible. -- Todd From barry at vonahsen.com Thu Dec 17 13:09:01 2009 From: barry at vonahsen.com (Barry Von Ahsen) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:09:01 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] New CEO of Canonical, makes of Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B2A81CD.4000508@vonahsen.com> Todd Walton wrote: > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Matthew Nuzum wrote: >> Mark Shuttleworth announced on his blog that Jane Silber, COO of Canonical, >> will take over the role of CEO. > > Hopefully that works out well. It seems like a typical move for a > company, to install somebody more businessy to run the company. > only if you want that company to stay in business :) of course, you only have to look at sun and HP to see what can happen if the geeks get replaced by the bean counters (which is not at all to disparage or diminish this change) -barry From crouse at usalug.net Thu Dec 17 14:02:28 2009 From: crouse at usalug.net (Crouse) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:02:28 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Firefox extensions for novice users In-Reply-To: References: <4B2A23A60200002E0003B5BD@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: <596da3790912171202y641a043br80664ab0e0e4ccd1@mail.gmail.com> "FireGPG" I use all the time. "User Agent Switcher" is handy for those sites that think IE is the only web browser on the planet and that Linux isn't an OS. "ChatZilla" is pretty handy if you have limited screen realestate and want to save space while running irc. Those are a few of the extensions I like to install in my own firefox browser. Crouse On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Todd Walton wrote: > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Josh More > wrote: >> I'm installing AdBlock+, LongURL and WebOfTrust. ?I'm considering >> CookieSafe and BetterPrivacy, but think they might be a bit overly >> complex. > > I installed BetterPrivacy after you pointed it out yesterday. ?I don't > think it's complex at all. ?I set it to just delete Flash cookies on > browser shutdown, and to not bug me about it. ?It seems to be > invisible. > > -- > Todd > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From tim_linux at wilson-home.com Thu Dec 17 14:30:40 2009 From: tim_linux at wilson-home.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:30:40 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Firefox extensions for novice users In-Reply-To: <596da3790912171202y641a043br80664ab0e0e4ccd1@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B2A23A60200002E0003B5BD@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> <596da3790912171202y641a043br80664ab0e0e4ccd1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5a9568c20912171230n6f3a7ef8ic6af17bca8a886d9@mail.gmail.com> I like Tab Mix Plus. I hate the way Firefox handles tabs by default. It takes a bit to set up (a lot of options in there), but I think it's worth it. Once you have it set up, you can export out the settings, and import them into another install. I also recommend CustomizeGoogle for anyone that spends a lot of time in Google products. On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Crouse wrote: > "FireGPG" I use all the time. > > "User Agent Switcher" is handy for those sites that think IE is the > only web browser on the planet and that Linux isn't an OS. > > "ChatZilla" is pretty handy if you have limited screen realestate and > want to save space while running irc. > > Those are a few of the extensions I like to install in my own firefox > browser. > > > Crouse > > > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Todd Walton wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Josh More > > wrote: > >> I'm installing AdBlock+, LongURL and WebOfTrust. I'm considering > >> CookieSafe and BetterPrivacy, but think they might be a bit overly > >> complex. > > > > I installed BetterPrivacy after you pointed it out yesterday. I don't > > think it's complex at all. I set it to just delete Flash cookies on > > browser shutdown, and to not bug me about it. It seems to be > > invisible. > > > > -- > > Todd > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug at cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -- Tim Required reading: http://bccplease.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091217/ab360ccf/attachment.htm From thiessenstuart at aol.com Thu Dec 17 17:19:25 2009 From: thiessenstuart at aol.com (Stuart Thiessen) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:19:25 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] DNS-related Question In-Reply-To: <5a9568c20912171230n6f3a7ef8ic6af17bca8a886d9@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B2A23A60200002E0003B5BD@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> <596da3790912171202y641a043br80664ab0e0e4ccd1@mail.gmail.com> <5a9568c20912171230n6f3a7ef8ic6af17bca8a886d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm doing some googling on this topic, but wanted to run this use case past the group to see if you had any ideas. We are using OpenGoo to serve as a master project management service on our intranet. Apparently, the authors of OpenGoo have configured OpenGoo so you have to hardcode a root URL. Now, most of the time, we want to access it through our intranet, but we have configured our router so that our home IP's have permission to connect to our intranet server to access OpenGoo. But the problem is that I am not sure how set things up so that I can set up a URL like my-domain.com such that when we are in the office, the computer knows it is a LAN IP, but when we are at home, it is our office's public IP. OpenGoo wants one URL to insert. I learned this the hard way when I hard coded the IP address as the root URL. When we connect to the server, we can't get past the login because it is returning a local IP address as part of the web address which cannot be resolved over the Internet. (Make sense what I am explaining?) One idea I had was to set up a subdomain based on our website that points to our public IP. Then try to figure out how to set up and configure a LAN DNS server that our office computers use and use that DNS server to intercept our request for the subdomain and substitute a LAN address instead of the actual public IP address. But I don't want it mess up any other subdomain for our domain (www, mail, etc.) But that seems overkill for one IP address. Is there a simpler way? All of the clients are running Mac OS X. The server is running Ubuntu 9.04. Thanks, Stuart From atporter at gmail.com Thu Dec 17 17:32:06 2009 From: atporter at gmail.com (Aaron Porter) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:32:06 -0800 Subject: [Cialug] DNS-related Question In-Reply-To: References: <4B2A23A60200002E0003B5BD@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> <596da3790912171202y641a043br80664ab0e0e4ccd1@mail.gmail.com> <5a9568c20912171230n6f3a7ef8ic6af17bca8a886d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <667aab920912171532q676161f8rfb682d13afbb829d@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Stuart Thiessen wrote: > I'm doing some googling on this topic, but wanted to run this use case > past the group to see if you had any ideas. Sounds like you either need to setup a VPN (instead of poking holes in your firewall) or spend time reading about "split horizon" DNS (views in bind9). From brandongriffis at gmail.com Thu Dec 17 18:24:40 2009 From: brandongriffis at gmail.com (Brandon Griffis) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:24:40 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Mint Linux In-Reply-To: <7aa1cdb20912171040v49956b5akc873421a8b738406@mail.gmail.com> References: <5a9568c20912170909t65dc0da0rc74de1cc699d4e79@mail.gmail.com> <7aa1cdb20912171040v49956b5akc873421a8b738406@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9089dcd30912171624k288cf425j525825e71af92ebb@mail.gmail.com> Mint is the best desktop linux out there. It's basically Ubuntu+. Picked up the mantle when Mepis turned a bit too strict in their tree a few years ago and dropped it. It's my suggestion to anyone that wants a linux that "just works". Not terribly good to learn command line on (not bad just doesn't push you there), but great if you want to avoid ever being forced into command line. Also you can enable more usability flair than OSX, which makes it an easy sell too (or disable it if you don't want or find a balance between). -B On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Tim Champion wrote: > I downloaded it and booted into a live environment once, but that's about > it. Don't remember much about it, except that it had a green theme, and it > seemed to work. Can't really say I played with it very long. > > Tim Champion > timchampion at gmail.com > > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Tim Wilson wrote: > >> Anyone here use Mint? I've used Ubuntu, but was thinking Mint might be a >> bit better for home use. >> >> -- >> Tim >> Required reading: http://bccplease.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug at cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The other is my "knock around" laptop to take with me to places where I won't care if it gets lost, stolen, damaged or destroyed. These laptops are old, so media doesn't play back the best, but they are "usable." 1.86 GHz Pentium M processor, 512 MB of RAM, 40 GB HD. Took the "knock around" laptop with me to Seattle and processed many of the photos I took there on it using UFRAW + GIMP. Again, not blazing fast but it was usable. -- Tired programmer Coding late into the night The core dump follows From mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu Thu Dec 17 22:33:47 2009 From: mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu (Mathew R. Phillips) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 22:33:47 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Firefox extensions for novice users References: <4B2A23A60200002E0003B5BD@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: Sorry If someone already posted this but I find imacros to be kinda neat. You can record actions and save them as a bookmark...probably not the most secure thing to do for passwords and stuff like that but they have some neat examples like auto downloading things and saving pictures and such. I think it would appeal to novice and experienced users. -----Original Message----- From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org on behalf of Josh More Sent: Thu 12/17/2009 12:27 PM To: cialug at cialug.org Subject: [Cialug] Firefox extensions for novice users What Firefox extensions do you folks recommend to help novice Linux users? I install AdBlock+ on every Firefox installation that I use, but most of the other extensions that I use are a bit overly technical for the average person. For example, as much as I rely on NoScript, I wouldn't even consider training a novice user to use such a thing. I'm installing AdBlock+, LongURL and WebOfTrust. I'm considering CookieSafe and BetterPrivacy, but think they might be a bit overly complex. Are there any favorites out there that I should be considering? -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej at alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Now, most of the time, we > want to access it through our intranet, but we have configured our > router so that our home IP's have permission to connect to our > intranet server to access OpenGoo. But the problem is that I am not > sure how set things up so that I can set up a URL like my-domain.com > such that when we are in the office, the computer knows it is a LAN > IP, but when we are at home, it is our office's public IP. OpenGoo > wants one URL to insert. I learned this the hard way when I hard coded > the IP address as the root URL. When we connect to the server, we > can't get past the login because it is returning a local IP address as > part of the web address which cannot be resolved over the Internet. > (Make sense what I am explaining?) > I've done this before too, though I've never been satisfied with my solution... What worked fine was using dnsmasq. It's a dns server for your local network. It uses a very simple configuration method. It also comes bundled with a dhcp server. You just configure your /etc/hosts file with your static mappings (www.yoursite.com = local.ip.address) and for the computers on the local lan it will use your static mappings. I suspect that whatever tool you're using to resolve hostnames on your office lan can do something like this. I'm not an expert at configuring DNS though. If you want to pursue this, tell us how you deal with DNS resolution in your local network. Your problem description piques my interest as a web-developer. I'll bet that since you see the login screen but aren't able to login then the problem is cookie related. It may be trying to set a cookie for a domain that is different than what the browser is using to access the site and is therefore rejecting the cookie. So for example, the server thinks it's name is www.something.com and sets a cookie that's valid for *.something.com. However you're really accessing it via x.y.z which doesn't match *.something.com. You can verify this by using the firefox extension Live HTTP Headers. If this is your problem, you can do a couple things: 1. fix the application to auto detect the domain in use from the variables and using that value instead of hard-coding it into the apps configuration. Drupal does it this way, you can look at the end of the settings.php file for example code. You're basically patching the app server. 2. put a proxy between you and your app server. This can have other benefits besides fixing your problem. I recently saw demoed nginx which would work and additionally offload ssl (if you're using it) and cache static files, thereby improving app-server performance. You basically move apache to a high port (8080 or whatever) and put nginx on the same server proxying port 80 to localhost:8080. Then you configure your app so that it thinks it's hostname is localhost:8080 and nginx will deal properly with whatever domain you are using. Alternatives to nginx are apache's mod_proxy (simple and simplistic) and squid (simple for single domain/app scenarios). Personally, I prefer options 2 and 1 (in that order) to messign with DNS. There are some sysadmins on this list that would rather mess with DNS I'm sure. :-) -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I've heard about them... -- Todd From tdwalton at gmail.com Fri Dec 18 06:23:38 2009 From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 06:23:38 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Unix Jobs for the Inexperienced Message-ID: Looking for a backup Linux Engineer http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/cpg/1514375733.html Some basic Unix skills needed. Would like someone with AWS experience. "This position would requre at least a once a week visit to our office, and then off hours support (5pm on, weekends etc)". This is the kind of job someone inexperienced could get themselves into. I wasn't able to make it to the LUG meeting Wednesday. How'd the jobs talk go? -- Todd From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Fri Dec 18 08:22:14 2009 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 08:22:14 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Unix Jobs for the Inexperienced Message-ID: <4B2B3BB60200002E0003B617@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> The jobs talk was kinda rambly, as we got distracted by security and network geekery. I believe that the big takeaway was "apply anyway" as the pool is a lot smaller than you think and your chances are higher than you think... and besides, in most cases, it doesn't hurt. Others can chime in if they have a different takeaway. -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej at alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 >>> Todd Walton 12/18/09 6:23 AM >>> Looking for a backup Linux Engineer http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/cpg/1514375733.html Some basic Unix skills needed. Would like someone with AWS experience. "This position would requre at least a once a week visit to our office, and then off hours support (5pm on, weekends etc)". This is the kind of job someone inexperienced could get themselves into. I wasn't able to make it to the LUG meeting Wednesday. How'd the jobs talk go? -- Todd _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From newz at bearfruit.org Fri Dec 18 08:48:36 2009 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 08:48:36 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OpenGoo was: DNS-related Question Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Stuart Thiessen wrote: > We are using OpenGoo to serve as a master project management service > on our intranet. > Hi, I looked at this project after your wrote your email, it's intriguing. I'm using Trac now for my own needs and except for the svn browsing I'm not really too excited about it. What do you think of OpenGoo/Feng? One thing I've seen that is cool in a similar project is basecamp's ability to have outside people view details about one particular project w/out giving them access to everything. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091218/e5e4342e/attachment.htm From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Fri Dec 18 10:10:53 2009 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:10:53 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Unix Jobs for the Inexperienced In-Reply-To: <4B2B3BB60200002E0003B617@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> References: <4B2B3BB60200002E0003B617@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: Perhaps, be reasonable about your salary expectation if you are not the wizened *nix guru they were looking for. -Nate -----Original Message----- From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Josh More Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 8:22 AM To: cialug at cialug.org; tdwalton at gmail.com Subject: Re: [Cialug] Unix Jobs for the Inexperienced The jobs talk was kinda rambly, as we got distracted by security and network geekery. I believe that the big takeaway was "apply anyway" as the pool is a lot smaller than you think and your chances are higher than you think... and besides, in most cases, it doesn't hurt. Others can chime in if they have a different takeaway. -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej at alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 >>> Todd Walton 12/18/09 6:23 AM >>> Looking for a backup Linux Engineer http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/cpg/1514375733.html Some basic Unix skills needed. Would like someone with AWS experience. "This position would requre at least a once a week visit to our office, and then off hours support (5pm on, weekends etc)". This is the kind of job someone inexperienced could get themselves into. I wasn't able to make it to the LUG meeting Wednesday. How'd the jobs talk go? -- Todd _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From lvl at omnitec.net Fri Dec 18 10:15:08 2009 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:15:08 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Cialug] Git 'philosophy' Message-ID: Does anyone use Git in a consulting environment? Here is the situation: > I work from two or three different machines, and need to maintain a repository for my 'work' > There are other possible developers, so I have already setup a 'master' repository at the client. I had originally thought that having my OWN 'working' repository would allow me to share environments between office, laptop, & netbook, but git does not seem to like two repositories (at least I can't get it working). So, the question - is maintiaing a 'work' repository and a 'master' respository a valid topology? TIA, Lee ============================================== Leland V. Lammert lvl at omnitec.net Chief Scientist Omnitec Corporation Network/Internet Consultants www.omnitec.net ============================================== From dave at dchamp.net Fri Dec 18 10:28:28 2009 From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:28:28 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Git 'philosophy' In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B2BADAC.6010001@dchamp.net> L. V. Lammert wrote: > Does anyone use Git in a consulting environment? Here is the situation: > > >> I work from two or three different machines, and need to maintain a >> > repository for my 'work' > >> There are other possible developers, so I have already setup a 'master' >> > repository at the client. > > I had originally thought that having my OWN 'working' repository would > allow me to share environments between office, laptop, & netbook, but git > does not seem to like two repositories (at least I can't get it working). > > So, the question - is maintiaing a 'work' repository and a 'master' > respository a valid topology? > > TIA, > > Lee > > ============================================== > Leland V. Lammert lvl at omnitec.net > Chief Scientist Omnitec Corporation > Network/Internet Consultants www.omnitec.net > ============================================== > There may (or may not) be a way to do this with Git, but I don't use it and can't really speak to that. It seems to me like maybe what you're trying to do is more geared to a centralized system like SVN or CVS. -dc From lvl at omnitec.net Fri Dec 18 10:32:00 2009 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:32:00 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Cialug] Git 'philosophy' In-Reply-To: <4B2BADAC.6010001@dchamp.net> References: <4B2BADAC.6010001@dchamp.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Dec 2009, David Champion wrote: > It seems to me like maybe what you're trying to do is more geared to a > centralized system like SVN or CVS. > I svn and cvs and i"m pretty suer neither would like separate repositories, .. the main problem here is allowing me to work from 2-3 different machines while preserving the integrity of the 'main' repository for other folks. Lee From ken at bitsko.slc.ut.us Fri Dec 18 10:33:25 2009 From: ken at bitsko.slc.ut.us (Ken MacLeod) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:33:25 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Git 'philosophy' In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7ee95fff0912180833s70bf66a2rc5e4ea6b2915b9c0@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 10:15 AM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > Does anyone use Git in a consulting environment? Here is the situation: > >> I work from two or three different machines, and need to maintain a > repository for my 'work' >> There are other possible developers, so I have already setup a 'master' > repository at the client. > > I had originally thought that having my OWN 'working' repository would > allow me to share environments between office, laptop, & netbook, but git > does not seem to like two repositories (at least I can't get it working). > > So, the question - is maintiaing a 'work' repository and a 'master' > respository a valid topology? Yes, with a tiny bit more effort and gotchas than a traditional "central repository" tool like svn or cvs. With git, each working directory will always have its own repository. If you're using a "central repository" model with git then the central repository will not have a working directory, it will be a "bare" repository. Users "pull" from and "push" to the central repository. (Projects that use git as a fully distributed tool do not have a "central repository", per se, what they have is a "lead developer" and his or her main working repository. The lead developer always "pulls" from other developers.) With git in a central repository model, you'll "git pull" in every situation where you'd "cvs update" in cvs or svn. You'll do both "git commit" AND "git push" where you'd do a "cvs commit". Like cvs or svn, "git push" will prevent two users from sending changes to the central repository unless they're working from the most recent code, but with git the issue is that you've already run "git commit" to your local repository before you know that. Doing a "git pull" will sometimes "do the right thing" but at other times will put you into a merge situation that I've found difficult to recover from. I usually "git clone" a fresh copy and hand merge my updates into it before committing the fresh repository. -- Ken From ken at bitsko.slc.ut.us Fri Dec 18 10:37:03 2009 From: ken at bitsko.slc.ut.us (Ken MacLeod) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:37:03 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Git 'philosophy' In-Reply-To: References: <4B2BADAC.6010001@dchamp.net> Message-ID: <7ee95fff0912180837y4850b690qa4829a13c6215b8b@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 10:32 AM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > On Fri, 18 Dec 2009, David Champion wrote: > >> It seems to me like maybe what you're trying to do is more geared to a >> centralized system like SVN or CVS. >> > I svn and cvs and i"m pretty suer neither would like separate > repositories, .. the main problem here is allowing me to work from 2-3 > different machines while preserving the integrity of the 'main' repository > for other folks. git-svn may be what you're looking for. git-svn is an svn client -- the central repository is svn and everything svn-ish works as expected. git-svn lets you use all the features of git locally (including the offline, local repository) but still lets the server be svn. -- Ken From dave at dchamp.net Fri Dec 18 10:39:53 2009 From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:39:53 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Git 'philosophy' In-Reply-To: References: <4B2BADAC.6010001@dchamp.net> Message-ID: <4B2BB059.5040407@dchamp.net> L. V. Lammert wrote: > On Fri, 18 Dec 2009, David Champion wrote: > > >> It seems to me like maybe what you're trying to do is more geared to a >> centralized system like SVN or CVS. >> >> > I svn and cvs and i"m pretty suer neither would like separate > repositories, .. the main problem here is allowing me to work from 2-3 > different machines while preserving the integrity of the 'main' repository > for other folks. > > Lee > _______________________________________________ > Hmm... is the issue that you want to work from the 2 or 3 machines without doing commits? Using SVN, you can keep files on a removable media, transport it around, and do a commit when or wherever you are. If the reason for having two repos is you want to maintain a different "branch" than what someone on the client is working on, then SVN does allow for branching as well. If you're both working on different parts of the same project and / or want to merge your changes together, well, that's just part of the normal operation of SVN. -dc From eric at eric.nu Fri Dec 18 10:37:40 2009 From: eric at eric.nu (Eric Junker) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:37:40 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Git 'philosophy' In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B2BAFD4.1060305@eric.nu> On 12/18/2009 10:15 AM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > I had originally thought that having my OWN 'working' repository would > allow me to share environments between office, laptop,& netbook, but git > does not seem to like two repositories (at least I can't get it working). > > So, the question - is maintiaing a 'work' repository and a 'master' > respository a valid topology? The way I've seen this done is that you would create your own branch. Then you would push your commits to your branch. You can then push/pull to the master branch. Eric From kula at tproa.net Fri Dec 18 10:38:31 2009 From: kula at tproa.net (Thomas Kula) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:38:31 -0500 Subject: [Cialug] Git 'philosophy' In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20091218163831.GF29125@mcketrick.tproa.net> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 10:15:08AM -0600, L. V. Lammert wrote: > Does anyone use Git in a consulting environment? Here is the situation: > > > I work from two or three different machines, and need to maintain a > repository for my 'work' > > There are other possible developers, so I have already setup a 'master' > repository at the client. > > I had originally thought that having my OWN 'working' repository would > allow me to share environments between office, laptop, & netbook, but git > does not seem to like two repositories (at least I can't get it working). > > So, the question - is maintiaing a 'work' repository and a 'master' > respository a valid topology? In my understanding, each copy of the git repository is completely stand-alone, and unshared. You share things by pushing or pulling stuff to/from other repositories. So you can have a repository on your office machine, your laptop and your netbook, you just need to move things around between the different repositories. Eventually I'm going to push for us using git at work. I think the two guidlines I'm going to use are: - Everyone should make sure that their individual repositories are adequately backed up, so they don't lose their individual work. - Everything has to be pushed to a 'canonical' repository, and builds of production software must be first pulled from that repository. This makes sure that there's a designated location that stuff ends up at eventually. In your case, I think you'd want to: - Create your own 'canonical' repository. You push/pull things from that into/out of your laptop, netbook, desktop, etc. -- Thomas L. Kula | kula at tproa.net | http://kula.tproa.net/ From thiessenstuart at aol.com Fri Dec 18 10:41:32 2009 From: thiessenstuart at aol.com (Stuart Thiessen) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:41:32 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] DNS-related Question In-Reply-To: References: <4B2A23A60200002E0003B5BD@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> <596da3790912171202y641a043br80664ab0e0e4ccd1@mail.gmail.com> <5a9568c20912171230n6f3a7ef8ic6af17bca8a886d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Well, it looks to me like OpenGoo in its config file asks you to set the root URL hardcoded. So it will bring up my page if I log in from outside with the public IP, but when it returns the next page, it is returning it prefixed with the hard coded root URL which of course is my LAN IP address and is not valid over the internet. So, that was why I was trying to do something where I put sub.my-domain.com in the hard- coded URL and then try to configure DNS somehow so that it can find the right IP (LAN or Internet) for sub.my-domain.com depending on my location. Looks like my best options are configuring DNS, trying your dnsmasq, or configuring a VPN. There are only 3 of us on my team who need this kind of access, so I'm looking for the least pain solution. :-) Which of the three do you feel has the best security and least configuration headache of the three in your experience? I've never had to do this before so that's why I ask before I get myself into something too complicated. :) Thanks, Stuart On Dec 18, 2009, at 00:04 , Matthew Nuzum wrote: > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Stuart Thiessen > wrote: > We are using OpenGoo to serve as a master project management service > on our intranet. Apparently, the authors of OpenGoo have configured > OpenGoo so you have to hardcode a root URL. Now, most of the time, we > want to access it through our intranet, but we have configured our > router so that our home IP's have permission to connect to our > intranet server to access OpenGoo. But the problem is that I am not > sure how set things up so that I can set up a URL like my-domain.com > such that when we are in the office, the computer knows it is a LAN > IP, but when we are at home, it is our office's public IP. OpenGoo > wants one URL to insert. I learned this the hard way when I hard coded > the IP address as the root URL. When we connect to the server, we > can't get past the login because it is returning a local IP address as > part of the web address which cannot be resolved over the Internet. > (Make sense what I am explaining?) > > I've done this before too, though I've never been satisfied with my > solution... > > What worked fine was using dnsmasq. It's a dns server for your local > network. It uses a very simple configuration method. It also comes > bundled with a dhcp server. You just configure your /etc/hosts file > with your static mappings (www.yoursite.com = local.ip.address) and > for the computers on the local lan it will use your static mappings. > > I suspect that whatever tool you're using to resolve hostnames on > your office lan can do something like this. I'm not an expert at > configuring DNS though. If you want to pursue this, tell us how you > deal with DNS resolution in your local network. > > Your problem description piques my interest as a web-developer. I'll > bet that since you see the login screen but aren't able to login > then the problem is cookie related. It may be trying to set a cookie > for a domain that is different than what the browser is using to > access the site and is therefore rejecting the cookie. > > So for example, the server thinks it's name is www.something.com and > sets a cookie that's valid for *.something.com. However you're > really accessing it via x.y.z which doesn't match *.something.com. > You can verify this by using the firefox extension Live HTTP Headers. > > If this is your problem, you can do a couple things: > 1. fix the application to auto detect the domain in use from the > variables and using that value instead of hard-coding it into the > apps configuration. Drupal does it this way, you can look at the end > of the settings.php file for example code. You're basically patching > the app server. > 2. put a proxy between you and your app server. This can have other > benefits besides fixing your problem. I recently saw demoed nginx > which would work and additionally offload ssl (if you're using it) > and cache static files, thereby improving app-server performance. > You basically move apache to a high port (8080 or whatever) and put > nginx on the same server proxying port 80 to localhost:8080. Then > you configure your app so that it thinks it's hostname is localhost: > 8080 and nginx will deal properly with whatever domain you are > using. Alternatives to nginx are apache's mod_proxy (simple and > simplistic) and squid (simple for single domain/app scenarios). > > Personally, I prefer options 2 and 1 (in that order) to messign with > DNS. There are some sysadmins on this list that would rather mess > with DNS I'm sure. :-) > > -- > Matthew Nuzum > newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091218/38e84365/attachment.htm From newz at bearfruit.org Fri Dec 18 10:43:34 2009 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:43:34 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Git 'philosophy' In-Reply-To: <4B2BAFD4.1060305@eric.nu> References: <4B2BAFD4.1060305@eric.nu> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Eric Junker wrote: > On 12/18/2009 10:15 AM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > > I had originally thought that having my OWN 'working' repository would > > allow me to share environments between office, laptop,& netbook, but git > > does not seem to like two repositories (at least I can't get it working). > > > > So, the question - is maintiaing a 'work' repository and a 'master' > > respository a valid topology? > > The way I've seen this done is that you would create your own branch. > Then you would push your commits to your branch. You can then push/pull > to the master branch. > > Yes, at my company we use bzr which is a dvcs like git and uses the same philosophy as git. Branching is very simple so you should use branches with abandon. For example, bzr branch trunk bug1532 cd bug1532 && fix && merge back to trunk when ready If you need to share your branch with someone else (or a different computer) then push it up to the server but not to trunk. When its ready to be merged into trunk then you merge it. Launchpad.net, our online colaborative development tool, is built on this philosophy as well. So is github. Anyone can branch code, anyone can publish their branch, anyone can merge from one branch to another. You propose a branch for merging when it's ready. There's no cost for branching and merging unless you leave your branch for so long that the code bases deviate dramatically. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091218/b87d2354/attachment-0001.htm From eric at eric.nu Fri Dec 18 10:47:10 2009 From: eric at eric.nu (Eric Junker) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:47:10 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] DNS-related Question In-Reply-To: References: <4B2A23A60200002E0003B5BD@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> <596da3790912171202y641a043br80664ab0e0e4ccd1@mail.gmail.com> <5a9568c20912171230n6f3a7ef8ic6af17bca8a886d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B2BB20E.4020307@eric.nu> On 12/18/2009 10:41 AM, Stuart Thiessen wrote: > Looks like my best options are configuring DNS, trying your dnsmasq, or > configuring a VPN. There are only 3 of us on my team who need this kind > of access, so I'm looking for the least pain solution. The most simple thing would be to just add an entry to your /etc/hosts file for when you are outside the network. Eric From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Fri Dec 18 10:47:43 2009 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:47:43 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] DNS-related Question Message-ID: <4B2B5DCF0200002E0003B64D@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> Least pain for three developers is to modify your local hosts files and optionally write a script that flips different versions in and out. We tend to really like infrastructure solutions in this group, but occasionally, endpoint modification is an easier path. (Only when scaling is not an issue.) -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej at alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 >>> Stuart Thiessen 12/18/09 10:41 AM >>> Well, it looks to me like OpenGoo in its config file asks you to set the root URL hardcoded. So it will bring up my page if I log in from outside with the public IP, but when it returns the next page, it is returning it prefixed with the hard coded root URL which of course is my LAN IP address and is not valid over the internet. So, that was why I was trying to do something where I put sub.my-domain.com in the hard- coded URL and then try to configure DNS somehow so that it can find the right IP (LAN or Internet) for sub.my-domain.com depending on my location. Looks like my best options are configuring DNS, trying your dnsmasq, or configuring a VPN. There are only 3 of us on my team who need this kind of access, so I'm looking for the least pain solution. :-) Which of the three do you feel has the best security and least configuration headache of the three in your experience? I've never had to do this before so that's why I ask before I get myself into something too complicated. :) Thanks, Stuart On Dec 18, 2009, at 00:04 , Matthew Nuzum wrote: > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Stuart Thiessen > wrote: > We are using OpenGoo to serve as a master project management service > on our intranet. Apparently, the authors of OpenGoo have configured > OpenGoo so you have to hardcode a root URL. Now, most of the time, we > want to access it through our intranet, but we have configured our > router so that our home IP's have permission to connect to our > intranet server to access OpenGoo. But the problem is that I am not > sure how set things up so that I can set up a URL like my-domain.com > such that when we are in the office, the computer knows it is a LAN > IP, but when we are at home, it is our office's public IP. OpenGoo > wants one URL to insert. I learned this the hard way when I hard coded > the IP address as the root URL. When we connect to the server, we > can't get past the login because it is returning a local IP address as > part of the web address which cannot be resolved over the Internet. > (Make sense what I am explaining?) > > I've done this before too, though I've never been satisfied with my > solution... > > What worked fine was using dnsmasq. It's a dns server for your local > network. It uses a very simple configuration method. It also comes > bundled with a dhcp server. You just configure your /etc/hosts file > with your static mappings (www.yoursite.com = local.ip.address) and > for the computers on the local lan it will use your static mappings. > > I suspect that whatever tool you're using to resolve hostnames on > your office lan can do something like this. I'm not an expert at > configuring DNS though. If you want to pursue this, tell us how you > deal with DNS resolution in your local network. > > Your problem description piques my interest as a web-developer. I'll > bet that since you see the login screen but aren't able to login > then the problem is cookie related. It may be trying to set a cookie > for a domain that is different than what the browser is using to > access the site and is therefore rejecting the cookie. > > So for example, the server thinks it's name is www.something.com and > sets a cookie that's valid for *.something.com. However you're > really accessing it via x.y.z which doesn't match *.something.com. > You can verify this by using the firefox extension Live HTTP Headers. > > If this is your problem, you can do a couple things: > 1. fix the application to auto detect the domain in use from the > variables and using that value instead of hard-coding it into the > apps configuration. Drupal does it this way, you can look at the end > of the settings.php file for example code. You're basically patching > the app server. > 2. put a proxy between you and your app server. This can have other > benefits besides fixing your problem. I recently saw demoed nginx > which would work and additionally offload ssl (if you're using it) > and cache static files, thereby improving app-server performance. > You basically move apache to a high port (8080 or whatever) and put > nginx on the same server proxying port 80 to localhost:8080. Then > you configure your app so that it thinks it's hostname is localhost: > 8080 and nginx will deal properly with whatever domain you are > using. Alternatives to nginx are apache's mod_proxy (simple and > simplistic) and squid (simple for single domain/app scenarios). > > Personally, I prefer options 2 and 1 (in that order) to messign with > DNS. There are some sysadmins on this list that would rather mess > with DNS I'm sure. :-) > > -- > Matthew Nuzum > newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From thiessenstuart at aol.com Fri Dec 18 11:10:53 2009 From: thiessenstuart at aol.com (Stuart Thiessen) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:10:53 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OpenGoo was: DNS-related Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We did use Basecamp for a while, but wanted to try something that didn't require a monthly fee. Our work is more video work, but we have to manage several steps in the process, so we need to know where we are on each of the different video parts. We are playing with it now, and it seems to work nicely ... except for the hardcoded URL. :) It seems like this will let the outside people in also like Basecamp, but we haven't tried that part yet. :) Thanks, Stuart On Dec 18, 2009, at 08:48 , Matthew Nuzum wrote: > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Stuart Thiessen > wrote: > We are using OpenGoo to serve as a master project management service > on our intranet. > > Hi, I looked at this project after your wrote your email, it's > intriguing. I'm using Trac now for my own needs and except for the > svn browsing I'm not really too excited about it. What do you think > of OpenGoo/Feng? > > One thing I've seen that is cool in a similar project is basecamp's > ability to have outside people view details about one particular > project w/out giving them access to everything. > > -- > Matthew Nuzum > newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091218/58311247/attachment.htm From atporter at gmail.com Fri Dec 18 15:56:59 2009 From: atporter at gmail.com (Aaron Porter) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 13:56:59 -0800 Subject: [Cialug] DNS-related Question In-Reply-To: References: <4B2A23A60200002E0003B5BD@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> <596da3790912171202y641a043br80664ab0e0e4ccd1@mail.gmail.com> <5a9568c20912171230n6f3a7ef8ic6af17bca8a886d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <667aab920912181356k5ca33d28t4334fd2d89d4b779@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Stuart Thiessen wrote: > We are using OpenGoo to serve as a master project management service > on our intranet. Apparently, the authors of OpenGoo have configured > OpenGoo so you have to hardcode a root URL. Ok... so I'm no PHP whiz, and I've never heard of OpenGoo -- google seems to think this is part of Feng Office... If I read things right, can't you edit config.php and replace: define('ROOT_URL', 'http://fengoffice.com'); With something along the lines of: $VARIABLE_ROOT = "http://" . $_SERVER['SERVER_NAME'] . "/"; define('ROOT_URL', $VARIABLE_ROOT); From cmlburnett at gmail.com Fri Dec 18 16:17:59 2009 From: cmlburnett at gmail.com (Colin Burnett) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:17:59 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Git 'philosophy' In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 10:15 AM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > Does anyone use Git in a consulting environment? Here is the situation: > >> I work from two or three different machines, and need to maintain a > repository for my 'work' >> There are other possible developers, so I have already setup a 'master' > repository at the client. > > I had originally thought that having my OWN 'working' repository would > allow me to share environments between office, laptop, & netbook, but git > does not seem to like two repositories (at least I can't get it working). > > So, the question - is maintiaing a 'work' repository and a 'master' > respository a valid topology? If you setup a bare repo at your clients then you consider that your "master" (i.e., production code comes from here). If you setup a "master" in your office (i.e., $work) then you have to keep $work in sync with $master. Keep a branch on $work that tracks $master for every branch on $master [1] that you care about. The question is do you want all the work you do on your machines to appear at the client or do you want all your work to be one monolithic commit at the client? If the former then all your branches on your machines have to track branches on $work that track $master. If the latter then you need to setup extra branches on $work that your machines track and work on; and when you're finally ready to merge $work into $master then you do it in $work on the branches that track $master. I presume the latter since you don't want mid-fix commits (i.e., commits you do so you can sync from office to laptop before leaving) to appear at the client. Make sense or not? Colin [1]: At my work we setup a branch for each version. So Foo-1.0.0 and Foo-1.0.1 are branch names and the first commit is 1.0.0.1 and 1.0.1.1, respectively. IOW, we never edit the master branch (which is just a symbol and has no real intrinsic meaning anyway). From tdwalton at gmail.com Fri Dec 18 16:24:17 2009 From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:24:17 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Web Work, HTML Question Message-ID:

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This HTML creates a table that doesn't look like I want it to. The drop-down selector and the Remind and MakeStatement buttons are only 50% of screen width, as is the cell with the impDate input box. The right half of the screen has the impStart and impStop input boxes. | Option1 [Remind] [MakeStatement] | | | Date: [ ] | Start Time: [ ] Stop Time: [ ] | Can someone tell me why this is? What can I change to make the drop down and the two buttons center across the entire page, instead of just half of it? -- Todd From afan at afan.net Fri Dec 18 16:36:11 2009 From: afan at afan.net (Afan Pasalic) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:36:11 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Web Work, HTML Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B2C03DB.405@afan.net> is this:
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what are you looking for? afan Todd Walton wrote: > > > > > >

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> > This HTML creates a table that doesn't look like I want it to. The > drop-down selector and the Remind and MakeStatement buttons are only > 50% of screen width, as is the cell with the impDate input box. The > right half of the screen has the impStart and impStop input boxes. > > | Option1 [Remind] [MakeStatement] | > | > | Date: [ ] | > Start Time: [ ] Stop Time: [ ] | > > Can someone tell me why this is? What can I change to make the drop > down and the two buttons center across the entire page, instead of > just half of it? > > -- > Todd > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From tim_linux at wilson-home.com Fri Dec 18 18:48:52 2009 From: tim_linux at wilson-home.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:48:52 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Web Work, HTML Question In-Reply-To: <4B2C03DB.405@afan.net> References: <4B2C03DB.405@afan.net> Message-ID: <5a9568c20912181648k1f88afa4mea0894e1cee17c5c@mail.gmail.com> HTML Tables for non-tabular data? Nooooo! :) Tables do make it much easier to position stuff, but there are a lot of problems with them too. They're not "accessibility" friendly, and they can get unreadable quickly. I've seen people put tables within tables, within tables .... far too deep to be readable. If at all possible, DIV and SPAN and P are much more preferred. Tables got over-used, and they're becoming the bane of web pages, even though a lot of places (Yahoo, for example) still use them. Unfortunately, a lot of examples found on the internet still use tables. I'd like to make one other suggestion. Do something like the following: One, it ties the text to the input box. If the user clicks the text, the input box should get focus (on a checkbox, clicking the text will actually toggle the checkbox). Two, if someone is using a screen reader, it will announce the text as a label to the input box. At least, that's my understanding. I've not actually seen a screen reader for the visually impaired. But accessibility does seem to be a growing need. On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Afan Pasalic wrote: > is this: > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > onclick='vbscript:MultiFunctions "Remind"'> > name='bMakeStatement' onclick='vbscript:MultiFunctions > "MakeStatement"'> >
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> > > what are you looking for? > > > afan > > > > > > > Todd Walton wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > This HTML creates a table that doesn't look like I want it to. The > > drop-down selector and the Remind and MakeStatement buttons are only > > 50% of screen width, as is the cell with the impDate input box. The > > right half of the screen has the impStart and impStop input boxes. > > > > | Option1 [Remind] [MakeStatement] | > > | > > | Date: [ ] | > > Start Time: [ ] Stop Time: [ ] | > > > > Can someone tell me why this is? What can I change to make the drop > > down and the two buttons center across the entire page, instead of > > just half of it? > > > > -- > > Todd > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug at cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -- Tim Required reading: http://bccplease.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091218/857e51f3/attachment.htm From kyounger at gmail.com Fri Dec 18 18:55:39 2009 From: kyounger at gmail.com (Kenneth Younger) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:55:39 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Web Work, HTML Question In-Reply-To: <5a9568c20912181648k1f88afa4mea0894e1cee17c5c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B2C03DB.405@afan.net> <5a9568c20912181648k1f88afa4mea0894e1cee17c5c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3cf2fb6b0912181655o6dc362e1yac5b7086bfa8ddcd@mail.gmail.com> Unless you are formatting content for an HTML email - tables are still the best supported method for that medium. Though, with that form in there I would hope you aren't using this for an email. -Kenny On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Tim Wilson wrote: > HTML Tables for non-tabular data? Nooooo! :) > > Tables do make it much easier to position stuff, but there are a lot of > problems with them too. They're not "accessibility" friendly, and they can > get unreadable quickly. I've seen people put tables within tables, within > tables .... far too deep to be readable. If at all possible, DIV and SPAN > and P are much more preferred. Tables got over-used, and they're becoming > the bane of web pages, even though a lot of places (Yahoo, for example) > still use them. Unfortunately, a lot of examples found on the internet > still use tables. > > I'd like to make one other suggestion. Do something like the following: > > > One, it ties the text to the input box. If the user clicks the text, the > input box should get focus (on a checkbox, clicking the text will actually > toggle the checkbox). Two, if someone is using a screen reader, it will > announce the text as a label to the input box. At least, that's my > understanding. I've not actually seen a screen reader for the visually > impaired. But accessibility does seem to be a growing need. > > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Afan Pasalic wrote: > >> is this: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> > onclick='vbscript:MultiFunctions "Remind"'> >> > name='bMakeStatement' onclick='vbscript:MultiFunctions >> "MakeStatement"'> >>
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>> > >> > This HTML creates a table that doesn't look like I want it to. The >> > drop-down selector and the Remind and MakeStatement buttons are only >> > 50% of screen width, as is the cell with the impDate input box. The >> > right half of the screen has the impStart and impStop input boxes. >> > >> > | Option1 [Remind] [MakeStatement] | >> > | >> > | Date: [ ] | >> > Start Time: [ ] Stop Time: [ ] | >> > >> > Can someone tell me why this is? What can I change to make the drop >> > down and the two buttons center across the entire page, instead of >> > just half of it? >> > >> > -- >> > Todd >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Cialug mailing list >> > Cialug at cialug.org >> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug at cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> > > > > -- > Tim > Required reading: http://bccplease.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091218/e9e0eb06/attachment-0001.htm From tdwalton at gmail.com Sat Dec 19 07:18:48 2009 From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 07:18:48 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Web Work, HTML Question In-Reply-To: <4B2C03DB.405@afan.net> References: <4B2C03DB.405@afan.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Afan Pasalic wrote: > is this: > > or this: > > what are you looking for? Yes, the first one. Thanks. It was the colspan, wasn't it? Why would that be necessary? -- Todd From tdwalton at gmail.com Sat Dec 19 07:29:53 2009 From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 07:29:53 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Web Work, Volunteering Message-ID: Anybody here ever do voluntary web work? Sometime in the coming month or two I'm going to start working on a local user group's web site on a volunteer basis. I've been assured that it will consist mostly of "take next meeting date, post to website", but that I will be given room to improve the site if I can. I'm not a web programmer, and as you can see from my other Web Work email, I'm not even very good at HTML. But I'm a geek and I have lots of kind-of-experience. I can figure stuff out. Anybody have any stories of doing this kind of thing? -- Todd From tdwalton at gmail.com Sat Dec 19 07:25:21 2009 From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 07:25:21 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Web Work, HTML Question In-Reply-To: <5a9568c20912181648k1f88afa4mea0894e1cee17c5c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B2C03DB.405@afan.net> <5a9568c20912181648k1f88afa4mea0894e1cee17c5c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Tim Wilson wrote: > HTML Tables for non-tabular data?? Nooooo! :) I was kind of expecting someone to say that.... > Tables do make it much easier to position stuff, but there are a lot of > problems with them too. Your reasons: 1) They're not "accessibility" friendly This isn't for the public and it's a very limited application that won't be updated often once it gets made. I'm not worried about accessibility. Though I appreciate the point. 2) and they can get unreadable quickly. They do, don't they? This is a good point, too. > If at all possible, DIV and SPAN and P are much more preferred. I know that

will be like a carriage return, so I can understand using that. I'm not sure what div and span are supposed to do. I'll look them up. > I'd like to make one other suggestion.? Do something like the following: > Ooh, yeah. Thanks for the suggestion. -- Todd From kyounger at gmail.com Sat Dec 19 09:05:41 2009 From: kyounger at gmail.com (Kenneth Younger) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 09:05:41 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Web Work, Volunteering In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3cf2fb6b0912190705v568b40cfn3448eae6124adcc2@mail.gmail.com> I will donate hosting and set up a WordPress instance if you can supply the domain and admin'ing. For something that's only going to require posting a few bytes now and again, then no one should be touching HTML anyway. -Kenny On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 7:29 AM, Todd Walton wrote: > Anybody here ever do voluntary web work? Sometime in the coming month > or two I'm going to start working on a local user group's web site on > a volunteer basis. I've been assured that it will consist mostly of > "take next meeting date, post to website", but that I will be given > room to improve the site if I can. I'm not a web programmer, and as > you can see from my other Web Work email, I'm not even very good at > HTML. But I'm a geek and I have lots of kind-of-experience. I can > figure stuff out. > > Anybody have any stories of doing this kind of thing? > > -- > Todd > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Haimann) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 15:33:59 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Ubuntu Laptop Problems Message-ID: <4B2D46C7.3040601@HaimannOnline.com> My wifes Ubuntu laptop has become very slow to boot. I also see that I can no longer ssh into it. I have copied the dmesg output, I hope it helps. Last night I ran the output to dmesg and ran a quick backup of her home directory. You can view the output to her dmesg log at http://www.haimannonline.com/etc/dmesg.html From afan at afan.net Sat Dec 19 15:45:03 2009 From: afan at afan.net (Afan Pasalic) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 15:45:03 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Web Work, Volunteering In-Reply-To: References: <3cf2fb6b0912190705v568b40cfn3448eae6124adcc2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B2D495F.8030701@afan.net> Todd Walton wrote: > On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Kenneth Younger wrote: > >> I will donate hosting and set up a WordPress instance if you can supply the >> domain and admin'ing. For something that's only going to require posting a >> few bytes now and again, then no one should be touching HTML anyway. >> > > Thank you for offering, but this is already a going concern. > I did/do a lot of voluntary work? What's your exact question? What do you actually need? Afan > -- > Todd > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From newz at bearfruit.org Sat Dec 19 15:49:08 2009 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 15:49:08 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Web Work, HTML Question In-Reply-To: References: <4B2C03DB.405@afan.net> <5a9568c20912181648k1f88afa4mea0894e1cee17c5c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: A p os nor like a carriage return, it's a block (ie carriage return) + bottom margin. A div is the same but no margin or padding. Semantically, a p is a paragrah, a div is a.section of content. Like a group of paragraphs, column, header or something similar. Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on Twitter freenode identi.ca and Skype On Dec 19, 2009 7:31 AM, "Todd Walton" wrote: On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Tim Wilson wrote: > HTML Tables for non-tabular data? Nooooo! :) I was kind of expecting someone to say that.... > Tables do make it much easier to position stuff, but there are a lot of > problems with them too.... Your reasons: 1) They're not "accessibility" friendly This isn't for the public and it's a very limited application that won't be updated often once it gets made. I'm not worried about accessibility. Though I appreciate the point. 2) and they can get unreadable quickly. They do, don't they? This is a good point, too. > If at all possible, DIV and SPAN and P are much more preferred. I know that

will be like a carriage return, so I can understand using that. I'm not sure what div and span are supposed to do. I'll look them up. > I'd like to make one other suggestion. Do something like the following: >

> Jeff Chapin wrote: >> Try putting "nameserver 192.168.1.1" in /etc/resolve.conf, and then >> attempt to ssh into it. >> This is assuming that 1.1 is your router. >> >> It's worth a shot. > ... >>> >>> cheryl at corvus:~$ route -n > > Also make sure that "corvus" is listed in your /etc/hosts > But the app that manages server processes is completely gone and I am not sure what packages need reinstalled. that specific machine sees my network and I can see it. From atporter at gmail.com Mon Dec 21 00:56:16 2009 From: atporter at gmail.com (Aaron Porter) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 22:56:16 -0800 Subject: [Cialug] boot floppy to boot from usb In-Reply-To: <727223620912201856k7e1b0f57s9377781d8fa2ab9@mail.gmail.com> References: <727223620912201856k7e1b0f57s9377781d8fa2ab9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <667aab920912202256j4b877de5o28a1369bafdf5f6b@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 6:56 PM, Dan Hockey wrote: > I found ubuntu moblin remix and now I'd like to try it on an older P1 75mhz > laptop(no cdrom), but the problem I ran into is I need something to boot > from a floppy that can then boot linux from the usb flash drive. If it's got an ethernet port, I'd probably spend most of my time trying gPXE. If not, you're onto something of an adventure. I'd probably look into pulling the drive from the system and doing the install on more modern hardware, then moving it back into your laptop. http://etherboot.org/wiki/removable From ckulish at shazam.net Mon Dec 21 09:17:22 2009 From: ckulish at shazam.net (Kulish, Chris) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:17:22 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] RHCE of the Year Message-ID: <0EBF76EBDA01C04F8D281DE3992D43DA0719CBC4@jn-exch2.Shazam.net> I was just flipping through some RH training propaganda and noticed that John Rose, Systems Analyst at ISU, is the RHCE of the year for North America. Christopher Kulish | Unix Administrator I (O) 800-537-5427, ext. 4271 | (M) 515-473-0015 (F) 515-248-5828 | ckulish at shazam.net 6700 Pioneer Pkwy | Johnston, IA 50131 Attention: This electronic document and associated attachments (if any) may contain confidential information of the sender (SHAZAM Network) and is intended solely for use by the addressee(s). Review by unintended individuals is prohibited. 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From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Kulish, Chris Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 9:17 AM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: [Cialug] RHCE of the Year I was just flipping through some RH training propaganda and noticed that John Rose, Systems Analyst at ISU, is the RHCE of the year for North America. ________________________________ Attention: This electronic document and associated attachments (if any) may contain confidential information of the sender (SHAZAM Network) and is intended solely for use by the addressee(s). Review by unintended individuals is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient: (i) do not read, transmit, copy, disclose, store, or utilize this communication in any manner; (ii) please reply to the sender immediately, state that you received it in error and permanently delete this message and any attachment(s) from your computer and destroy the material in its entirety if in hard copy format. 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Ed Piskor is releasing volume 1 and 2 of his Wizzywig comic book series for free. Volume 1 is about phreaking and volume 2 is about hackers. http://www.edpiskor.com/ Eric From doncady at gmail.com Tue Dec 22 12:05:39 2009 From: doncady at gmail.com (Don Cady) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:05:39 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] boot floppy to boot from usb In-Reply-To: <727223620912201856k7e1b0f57s9377781d8fa2ab9@mail.gmail.com> References: <727223620912201856k7e1b0f57s9377781d8fa2ab9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Dan Hockey wrote: > I found ubuntu moblin remix and now I'd like to try it on an older P1 75mhz > laptop(no cdrom), but the problem I ran into is I need something to boot > from a floppy that can then boot linux from the usb flash drive. > ?Dos boot floppy with usb drivers didn't work so I'm guessing some form of l > inux with usb drivers is what's needed? > > http://linux.dell.com/files/ubuntu/moblin-remix/dev-edition-2.0/ Thoughts; Does the BIOS have a "legacy USB" feature? I'd be surprised, but then I'm half surprised this P1 has USB at all. If it does, you _might_ be able to use that to emulate your flash drive as a hard drive or floppy. Then you needn't worry about USB support, and could use grub, syslinux, gujin, or whatever you choose on the floppy. A bunch of maybes, but we're talking about 15 yr old hardware. You could try manually walking through the boot with 'Super Grub Disk' (skipping the repair/restore functions) to see if Grub will see the flash drive. DSL, puppy, and pendrivelinux used to have pre-made floppy images that did exactly what you're trying to do, but for passing off to a flash drive with one of those on it. You might be able to get one of those to work. You could make what you're looking for with a bootloader and a kernel. Speaking of, does 'Tom's Root Boot' see the USB? If not, replace the kernel with a newer one. Of course by this point pxe boot would be easier if it's available to you. Don From jrnosee at gmail.com Tue Dec 22 12:15:48 2009 From: jrnosee at gmail.com (jrnosee at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:15:48 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] boot floppy to boot from usb In-Reply-To: References: <727223620912201856k7e1b0f57s9377781d8fa2ab9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Even Gujin won't recognize USB if BIOS doesn't. I know, I've tried. You may have an issue getting BIOS to boot from large drives, but one option *MIGHT* be to find an old PCMCIA -> CF adapter and boot from Compact Flash? Personally, from experience, your best bet will probably be to pull the HD and use another computer to install linux. That's what I did with mine. Just be sure to install both the OS and GRUB/LILO to the right drive! On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Don Cady wrote: > On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Dan Hockey wrote: > > I found ubuntu moblin remix and now I'd like to try it on an older P1 > 75mhz > > laptop(no cdrom), but the problem I ran into is I need something to boot > > from a floppy that can then boot linux from the usb flash drive. > > Dos boot floppy with usb drivers didn't work so I'm guessing some form > of l > > inux with usb drivers is what's needed? > > > > http://linux.dell.com/files/ubuntu/moblin-remix/dev-edition-2.0/ > > Thoughts; Does the BIOS have a "legacy USB" feature? I'd be surprised, > but then I'm half surprised this P1 has USB at all. If it does, you > _might_ be able to use that to emulate your flash drive as a hard > drive or floppy. Then you needn't worry about USB support, and could > use grub, syslinux, gujin, or whatever you choose on the floppy. A > bunch of maybes, but we're talking about 15 yr old hardware. > You could try manually walking through the boot with 'Super Grub Disk' > (skipping the repair/restore functions) to see if Grub will see the > flash drive. > DSL, puppy, and pendrivelinux used to have pre-made floppy images that > did exactly what you're trying to do, but for passing off to a flash > drive with one of those on it. You might be able to get one of those > to work. > You could make what you're looking for with a bootloader and a kernel. > Speaking of, does 'Tom's Root Boot' see the USB? If not, replace the > kernel with a newer one. > Of course by this point pxe boot would be easier if it's available to you. > > Don > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091222/0e571c5b/attachment.htm From newz at bearfruit.org Tue Dec 22 12:26:57 2009 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:26:57 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] boot floppy to boot from usb In-Reply-To: <727223620912201856k7e1b0f57s9377781d8fa2ab9@mail.gmail.com> References: <727223620912201856k7e1b0f57s9377781d8fa2ab9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Dan Hockey wrote: > I found ubuntu moblin remix and now I'd like to try it on an older P1 75mhz > laptop(no cdrom), but the problem I ran into is I need something to boot > from a floppy that can then boot linux from the usb flash drive. > Dos boot floppy with usb drivers didn't work so I'm guessing some form of > l inux with usb drivers is what's needed? > I suspect you're not going to get a satisfactory experience on a 75MHz laptop w/ a modern Linux. You can still use these older computers for real-world tasks. Running the latest media-rich, connected desktop may not be one of them. What you may want to consider doing is looking for a tiny linux distro optimized for these older computes. There are some around though I haven't used one in a long time. Was Puppy one such? Being the glutton for punishment that I am, I'd probably get a slightly older debian distro that can boot from floppy and do a basic install with that to get a bootable command line environment w/ networking support. Then use that as a foundation to upgrade to a newer distro. Fluxbox and some of the other *box window managers work well for older computers. You can install these to get a working desktop. w3m is an interesting semi-graphical web-browser that works both from the command line and in a desktop environment. mutt is a useful command line mail program and there are even tutorials on the web to get you connected to gmail using imap. claws is a simple desktop based email program that works very nicely. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(don't put it in your shoe...they may check there). Despite it being M$ WinMo you can do almost everything on it. The TV Out and Bluetooth keyboard are not necessary, but nice if you want to work with a larger screen and keyboard. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Josh More wrote: > Well... it *is* my job. :) > > > > -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC > morej at alliancetechnologies.net > 515-245-7701 > > >>> Todd Walton 12/16/09 2:32 PM >>> > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Josh More > wrote: > > (The paranoid one finally joins the discussion ;) > > > > It all comes down to your respective levels of risk tolerance and risk > > presence: > > Wow. You've really thought this through haven't you? > > -- > Todd > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The Volunteer Center of Story County (www.vcstory.org) is using Google Pages which allows office staff to maintain the website themselves. It surprisingly worked out well so far even though I really wish there was a way to keep a uniform header. Google is transferring the service sometime to Google Sites so things might need to change a bit. The Society of Women's Engineers (www.heartofiowaswe.org) is using a custom website that I helped to create many winters ago. It's php driven and has an administrative interface that allows updating of the meetings, events, newsletters, and minutes without the need to edit any page at all. It's modeled pretty much like my personal website interface which I described here http://nis.niesens.com/behind-the-scenes/niesens-behind-the-scenes.html Nothing pretty but it's simple and works. The whole goal is to enable the organization to keep their data up to date themselves. Any additional layer makes the process slower and less likely to be up to date. If you are going to update the website for the user group on an ongoing basis then you might as well join the group and actively participate. That's pretty much what's needed in order to make such a support model work. Claus From tdwalton at gmail.com Tue Dec 22 17:02:23 2009 From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:02:23 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Jobs In-Reply-To: References: <4B2767710200002E0003B3AF@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Matthew Nuzum wrote: > I've never worked for a very large company, but I can mention a 1a. If > you're interested in this it doesn't hurt to ask your line manager or > someone influential in the IT dept if you can shift some of your focus into > Linux or Unix work. Maybe a good way is to just ask if you can have a 2nd > laptop or desktop with Linux installed on the corporate network. Or if > you're very brave, switch your primary desktop over to Linux. This is the approach I've taken. At my place of work we're setting goals for the coming year. I asked my boss if I could make some goals that involve working with the Unix people. Then I talked to the Unix people lead about doing some work together. He agreed! I am not just excited, I am Sofa King happy! He gave me some Sun training CDs to work through. I'll work through them and then report back on how well I understand the material, so we can get a feel for my current skillz level. Then I'll get a sandbox on a Unix server to play with (a container), maybe some training, and I'll work with them on something. So, first order of business: 1) Throw oneself wholly into Solaris. I suppose a logical thing to do, in that regard, is to install OpenSolaris at home. Is OpenSolaris usable as a desktop? I don't play games or edit video at home. Mostly just surf the web, email, write. -- Todd From jakllsch at kollasch.net Tue Dec 22 20:07:22 2009 From: jakllsch at kollasch.net (Jonathan A. Kollasch) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 02:07:22 +0000 Subject: [Cialug] OT: IPv6 availability Message-ID: <20091223020721.GD10549@tarantulon.kollasch.net> Hi, Are there are any ISPs serving the (west) Ames area that have plans to deploy native IPv6 to customers sometime in the not-too-distant future? Jonathan Kollasch From doncady at gmail.com Wed Dec 23 15:45:38 2009 From: doncady at gmail.com (Don Cady) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:45:38 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Firefox extensions for novice users In-Reply-To: <4B2A23A60200002E0003B5BD@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> References: <4B2A23A60200002E0003B5BD@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Josh More wrote: > What Firefox extensions do you folks recommend to help novice Linux > users? > > I install AdBlock+ on every Firefox installation that I use, but most of > the other extensions that I use are a bit overly technical for the > average person. ?For example, as much as I rely on NoScript, I wouldn't > even consider training a novice user to use such a thing. > > I'm installing AdBlock+, LongURL and WebOfTrust. ?I'm considering > CookieSafe and BetterPrivacy, but think they might be a bit overly > complex. > > Are there any favorites out there that I should be considering? > > > > > -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC > ?morej at alliancetechnologies.net > ?515-245-7701 For novices of linux specifically, or any novices of firefox? For example, I find PDF Download useful on Windows w/ Firefox because I dislike Acrobat loading inside the browser, but do not have that problem on linux. (Yes, I know. Disable the Adobe plugin. I still like PDF Download.) Of course, everything is a sliding scale. One novice may be 'higher' up the scale than another. Anyway, the best extensions are whatever match up to their interests. Here are a few. (I'll try to avoid what others have mentioned, and try to keep it short): Bookworm? - Book Burro: It saves you money on books, and can be taught to the simplest of users. Newshound? - Morning Coffee, Read It Later DictionarySearch: highlight something and look it up in on Dictionary.com FoxyTunes and Forecastfox are popular for obvious groups. I like Forecastfox Enhanced for bigger radar images during riding weather. Guys at the CUG (more down the sliding scale?) like Roboform, Xmarks & StumbleUpon, for what it's worth. Ship a lot? - TrackPackage More general functionality: Linkification: Tim's 'take me to this URL' + more, SmartFind, gTranslate. More eyecandy, less function; Cooliris, Tabprogressbar, Tabscope, Download StatusBar Don ps. I think the Mediacom <-> CIALUG list link is broken again. The last thing I got there was the 'Mint Linux' thread. This is just an FYI, I'm not expecting anyone outside of Mediacom to fix it. We all know what the situation is. From afan at afan.net Fri Dec 25 18:42:14 2009 From: afan at afan.net (afan at afan.net) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 17:42:14 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Cialug] scaling images In-Reply-To: References: <4a54240b.140bca0a.144d.ffff8a46SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <935ead450907080510rc8fa435sb86a4c024f33c2ce@mail.gmail.com> <4A54B7B1.9040900@dchamp.net> <4A54BB63.9030009@internetsolver.com> Message-ID: <55435.97.125.185.224.1261788134.squirrel@afan.net> First, I'm sorry for this MS Win question - but I had to. My sister in law uses Win XP. She asked me for simple application to resize images before she sends them by email. My first thought was GIMP but it's to "big" and complicated for this small task. Any ideas? Thanks, Afan From alan.maupin at gmail.com Fri Dec 25 18:47:43 2009 From: alan.maupin at gmail.com (Alan Maupin) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 18:47:43 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] scaling images In-Reply-To: <55435.97.125.185.224.1261788134.squirrel@afan.net> References: <4a54240b.140bca0a.144d.ffff8a46SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <935ead450907080510rc8fa435sb86a4c024f33c2ce@mail.gmail.com> <4A54B7B1.9040900@dchamp.net> <4A54BB63.9030009@internetsolver.com> <55435.97.125.185.224.1261788134.squirrel@afan.net> Message-ID: <36389BEC-97B0-47C8-AD8E-D2E37E2700B4@gmail.com> I'm a big fan of Irfanview. It's quite a bit simpler but still provides a large degree of image manipulation utility. www.irfanview.com On Dec 25, 2009, at 6:42 PM, afan at afan.net wrote: > First, I'm sorry for this MS Win question - but I had to. > > My sister in law uses Win XP. She asked me for simple application to > resize images before she sends them by email. > My first thought was GIMP but it's to "big" and complicated for this small > task. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > Afan > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091225/09145d17/attachment.htm From afan at afan.net Fri Dec 25 18:53:59 2009 From: afan at afan.net (afan at afan.net) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 17:53:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Cialug] scaling images In-Reply-To: <36389BEC-97B0-47C8-AD8E-D2E37E2700B4@gmail.com> References: <4a54240b.140bca0a.144d.ffff8a46SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <935ead450907080510rc8fa435sb86a4c024f33c2ce@mail.gmail.com> <4A54B7B1.9040900@dchamp.net> <4A54BB63.9030009@internetsolver.com> <55435.97.125.185.224.1261788134.squirrel@afan.net> <36389BEC-97B0-47C8-AD8E-D2E37E2700B4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <55526.97.125.185.224.1261788839.squirrel@afan.net> Yup. Good one. I totally forgot about it. Thanks! ;-) Afan > I'm a big fan of Irfanview. It's quite a bit simpler but still provides a > large degree of image manipulation utility. www.irfanview.com > > > > On Dec 25, 2009, at 6:42 PM, afan at afan.net wrote: > >> First, I'm sorry for this MS Win question - but I had to. >> >> My sister in law uses Win XP. She asked me for simple application to >> resize images before she sends them by email. >> My first thought was GIMP but it's to "big" and complicated for this >> small >> task. >> >> Any ideas? >> >> Thanks, >> Afan >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug at cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From lars at larch.dk Fri Dec 25 20:28:32 2009 From: lars at larch.dk (Lars Althof) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 20:28:32 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] scaling images In-Reply-To: <55526.97.125.185.224.1261788839.squirrel@afan.net> References: <4a54240b.140bca0a.144d.ffff8a46SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <935ead450907080510rc8fa435sb86a4c024f33c2ce@mail.gmail.com> <4A54B7B1.9040900@dchamp.net> <4A54BB63.9030009@internetsolver.com> <55435.97.125.185.224.1261788134.squirrel@afan.net> <36389BEC-97B0-47C8-AD8E-D2E37E2700B4@gmail.com> <55526.97.125.185.224.1261788839.squirrel@afan.net> Message-ID: <4B3574D0.7090109@larch.dk> If resizing is the only thing, then the WinXP image resizer powertoy works really well. Just right click on an image and select Resize. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/Downloads/powertoys/Xppowertoys.mspx /Lars On 12/25/2009 6:53 PM, afan at afan.net wrote: > Yup. Good one. I totally forgot about it. > > Thanks! > ;-) > > > Afan > > > > >> I'm a big fan of Irfanview. It's quite a bit simpler but still provides a >> large degree of image manipulation utility. www.irfanview.com >> >> >> >> On Dec 25, 2009, at 6:42 PM, afan at afan.net wrote: >> >> >>> First, I'm sorry for this MS Win question - but I had to. >>> >>> My sister in law uses Win XP. She asked me for simple application to >>> resize images before she sends them by email. >>> My first thought was GIMP but it's to "big" and complicated for this >>> small >>> task. >>> >>> Any ideas? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Afan >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Cialug mailing list >>> Cialug at cialug.org >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug at cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Just right click on an image and select Resize. > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/Downloads/powertoys/Xppowertoys.mspx > > /Lars > > > On 12/25/2009 6:53 PM, afan at afan.net wrote: > >> Yup. Good one. I totally forgot about it. >> >> Thanks! >> ;-) >> >> >> Afan >> >> >> >> >> >>> I'm a big fan of Irfanview. It's quite a bit simpler but still provides >>> a >>> large degree of image manipulation utility. www.irfanview.com >>> >>> >>> >>> On Dec 25, 2009, at 6:42 PM, afan at afan.net wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> First, I'm sorry for this MS Win question - but I had to. >>>> >>>> My sister in law uses Win XP. She asked me for simple application to >>>> resize images before she sends them by email. >>>> My first thought was GIMP but it's to "big" and complicated for this >>>> small >>>> task. >>>> >>>> Any ideas? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Afan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Cialug mailing list >>>> Cialug at cialug.org >>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Cialug mailing list >>> Cialug at cialug.org >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug at cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091225/b23ecc5e/attachment.htm From tdwalton at gmail.com Fri Dec 25 21:49:12 2009 From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 21:49:12 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] scaling images In-Reply-To: <55435.97.125.185.224.1261788134.squirrel@afan.net> References: <4a54240b.140bca0a.144d.ffff8a46SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <935ead450907080510rc8fa435sb86a4c024f33c2ce@mail.gmail.com> <4A54B7B1.9040900@dchamp.net> <4A54BB63.9030009@internetsolver.com> <55435.97.125.185.224.1261788134.squirrel@afan.net> Message-ID: On 12/25/09, afan at afan.net wrote: > My sister in law uses Win XP. She asked me for simple application to > resize images before she sends them by email. Windows Picture and Fax Viewer. Right click on the picture file and "Send To... Mail Recipient". First thing it asks is if you want to resize the pictures. If she uses Outlook or Outlook Express then it'll also let her email them right off. If she doesn't use either of those, then just let it open an email and then save off the attachments. -- Todd From robarooney at gmail.com Sun Dec 27 03:09:12 2009 From: robarooney at gmail.com (Rob Miller) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 03:09:12 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: GE InstaJack for sale Message-ID: <1a1c07bd0912270109m12e49b82k4650771902aba386@mail.gmail.com> I've got this dial-up thingie for sale -- a General Electric InstaJack wireless sender and receiver. It is a "wireless phone jack" for a location without a wall jack. I used it for a weight scale that would dial a computer somewhere and report my weight. I connected the scale output to the sender. The sender plugs into a wall socket to power itself. Then, plug in the receiver near a wall jack in another room and run a phone line between the receiver and wall jack. For me, the unit worked right out of the box and I used for a little over six months. I don't use it any more and want to get rid of it. Because it cost a bit and is still in almost new condition, I would like to get $35 for it. If no one in the group is interested, no problem, I'll try CraigsList next. Maybe I'll get a $3,000 cashiers check for it ... :- ) Be sure to check all the reviews at Amazon or any others that you can find. A lot of people report trouble with it for TIVO / Directv use. Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FFNDSG/ref=cm_cr_thx_view -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091227/137cee35/attachment.htm From dave at 58ghz.net Wed Dec 30 07:07:48 2009 From: dave at 58ghz.net (Dave Hala Jr) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 07:07:48 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] update Message-ID: <1262178468.2072.55.camel@localcentos5> Its about time to upgrade my workstation. I'm going to get rid of the desktop and go with a laptop with and an external 22-24 lcd. I'm considering running Windows 7 as the base OS. I'll need to run a copy of RHEL 5 too. I'm really not interested in a dual boot machine. I'm considering VMware. I had considered a MAC and parallels, but ruled that out. Anyone had any experience with 7 and Vmware? :) Dave From robarooney at gmail.com Wed Dec 30 11:08:14 2009 From: robarooney at gmail.com (Rob Miller) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 11:08:14 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Setting up Banshee Remote on my M - Droid Message-ID: <1a1c07bd0912300908q7ad56beha813c30de511c21d@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone have an IP address for a Banshee Server that I can enter in my Banshee Remote app on my Motorola Droid? What about the Port? When I open the app, there's a number there. Thanks. Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Or they may be a wired or wireless printer (my HP printer uses wifi and saves scanned docs to a shared folder). What would you do? Assuming you have a common soho router (maybe openwrt compatible) a computer that can be used as a server (running whatever OS) and plenty of networking/linux experience. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091230/8e3b1f73/attachment.htm From dave at dchamp.net Thu Dec 31 11:21:27 2009 From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:21:27 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Cialug] mailman issue Message-ID: Sorry, I was doing some maintenance on another list, and one of the scripts I ran caused the mailman service to lock. Looks like it's back now. -dc From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Thu Dec 31 11:22:13 2009 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:22:13 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] public/private wifi Message-ID: <4B3C89650200002E0003C43E@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> Several options. For security, ALL of them should use WPA2, not WEP. 1) Use two WAPs. Connect them to dedicated interfaces on a security/firewall box like Untangle or IP Cop. Set the rules there. 2) Use one WAP, set it public with no connections anywhere else. Set up a VPN connection with a client on your workstation to use the WAP to pop back in to your local network in a secure fashion. There are probably others, but anything that involves sharing a WAP for two security levels is probably unwise. -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej at alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 >>> Matthew Nuzum 12/31/09 11:17 AM >>> What's the ideal way to set up a public/private wifi network? Picture this scenario: You have a network that you want to allow people to access publicly. There is a shared wep key that you can tell people to use when they're connected to your network. Devices may be a PC or could be a phone, an iPod, a wii or whatever. However you don't want these people to use your printer or access your network shares. Being able to limit the bandwidth used by these devices is nice. You want it to be easy for the people who should be able to access these shared resources to get connected to them. They may be using Linux, Mac OS or Windows. Or they may be a wired or wireless printer (my HP printer uses wifi and saves scanned docs to a shared folder). What would you do? Assuming you have a common soho router (maybe openwrt compatible) a computer that can be used as a server (running whatever OS) and plenty of networking/linux experience. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter From chapinjeff at gmail.com Thu Dec 31 11:26:27 2009 From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:26:27 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] public/private wifi In-Reply-To: <4B3C89650200002E0003C43E@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> References: <4B3C89650200002E0003C43E@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: <4B3CDEC3.8010909@gmail.com> DD-wrt can do this with virtual APs. I am not sure of the steps off the top of my head, but I had this running at one point using this doc as a basis: http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Separate_WLANs Jeff Josh More wrote: > Several options. For security, ALL of them should use WPA2, not WEP. > > 1) Use two WAPs. Connect them to dedicated interfaces on a > security/firewall box like Untangle or IP Cop. Set the rules there. > > 2) Use one WAP, set it public with no connections anywhere else. Set up > a VPN connection with a client on your workstation to use the WAP to pop > back in to your local network in a secure fashion. > > There are probably others, but anything that involves sharing a WAP for > two security levels is probably unwise. > > > > -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC > morej at alliancetechnologies.net > 515-245-7701 > > >>>> Matthew Nuzum 12/31/09 11:17 AM >>> >>>> > What's the ideal way to set up a public/private wifi network? Picture > this > scenario: > > You have a network that you want to allow people to access publicly. > There > is a shared wep key that you can tell people to use when they're > connected > to your network. Devices may be a PC or could be a phone, an iPod, a wii > or > whatever. However you don't want these people to use your printer or > access > your network shares. Being able to limit the bandwidth used by these > devices > is nice. > > You want it to be easy for the people who should be able to access these > shared resources to get connected to them. They may be using Linux, Mac > OS > or Windows. Or they may be a wired or wireless printer (my HP printer > uses > wifi and saves scanned docs to a shared folder). > > What would you do? Assuming you have a common soho router (maybe openwrt > compatible) a computer that can be used as a server (running whatever > OS) > and plenty of networking/linux experience. > > From timchampion at gmail.com Thu Dec 31 11:27:06 2009 From: timchampion at gmail.com (Tim Champion) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:27:06 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] public/private wifi In-Reply-To: <4B3C89650200002E0003C43E@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> References: <4B3C89650200002E0003C43E@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: <7aa1cdb20912310927j68d3915ex18356cb1ed4289cc@mail.gmail.com> Personally, I would have two wireless routers. Router 1 - its WAN connects out to the ISP (modem or whatever). make that one the public router, light on the security. Router 2 - WAN port connected to a LAN port of Router 1. Tighter security, all your network shares and your "personal" computers behind that firewall. Anybody connecting to the "public" router 1 would be able to get out, but not "in" to your personal network. Tim Champion timchampion at gmail.com On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Josh More wrote: > Several options. For security, ALL of them should use WPA2, not WEP. > > 1) Use two WAPs. Connect them to dedicated interfaces on a > security/firewall box like Untangle or IP Cop. Set the rules there. > > 2) Use one WAP, set it public with no connections anywhere else. Set up > a VPN connection with a client on your workstation to use the WAP to pop > back in to your local network in a secure fashion. > > There are probably others, but anything that involves sharing a WAP for > two security levels is probably unwise. > > > > -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC > morej at alliancetechnologies.net > 515-245-7701 > > >>> Matthew Nuzum 12/31/09 11:17 AM >>> > What's the ideal way to set up a public/private wifi network? Picture > this > scenario: > > You have a network that you want to allow people to access publicly. > There > is a shared wep key that you can tell people to use when they're > connected > to your network. Devices may be a PC or could be a phone, an iPod, a wii > or > whatever. However you don't want these people to use your printer or > access > your network shares. Being able to limit the bandwidth used by these > devices > is nice. > > You want it to be easy for the people who should be able to access these > shared resources to get connected to them. They may be using Linux, Mac > OS > or Windows. Or they may be a wired or wireless printer (my HP printer > uses > wifi and saves scanned docs to a shared folder). > > What would you do? 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Anyone had any experience with 7 and Vmware? :) Dave _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug at cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From lvl at omnitec.net Thu Dec 31 11:42:27 2009 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:42:27 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] public/private wifi In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20091231113831.01986078@mail.omnitec.net> At 03:58 PM 12/30/2009 -0600, you wrote: >What's the ideal way to set up a public/private wifi network? Picture this >scenario: > >You have a network that you want to allow people to access publicly. There >is a shared wep key that you can tell people to use when they're connected >to your network. Devices may be a PC or could be a phone, an iPod, a wii >or whatever. However you don't want these people to use your printer or >access your network shares. Being able to limit the bandwidth used by >these devices is nice. > Don't use WEP, .. for a public AP no encryption needed. Connect the public AP to your main router on the outbound connection, .. > Use a 2nd AP/Router for your internal machines; as this would be a separate subnet, there's no way for someone on the public AP to access machines on the LAN side of AP2 unless you create specific port forwards. For the private side, don't broadcast SSID & use WPA2. Lee From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Thu Dec 31 12:06:02 2009 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:06:02 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] update In-Reply-To: <1262178468.2072.55.camel@localcentos5> References: <1262178468.2072.55.camel@localcentos5> Message-ID: Some of the Management tools for Vmware were not quite ready for Win 7 last time I looked. I would think they would be by now. -Nate > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org > [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Dave Hala Jr > Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 7:08 AM > To: Cialug > Subject: [Cialug] update > > Its about time to upgrade my workstation. I'm going to get > rid of the desktop and go with a laptop with and an external > 22-24 lcd. > > I'm considering running Windows 7 as the base OS. I'll need to run a > copy of RHEL 5 too. I'm really not interested in a dual > boot machine. > I'm considering VMware. > > I had considered a MAC and parallels, but ruled that out. > > Anyone had any experience with 7 and Vmware? > > > > :) Dave > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From lvl at omnitec.net Thu Dec 31 12:31:11 2009 From: lvl at omnitec.net (L. V. Lammert) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:31:11 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] update In-Reply-To: References: <1262178468.2072.55.camel@localcentos5> <1262178468.2072.55.camel@localcentos5> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20091231123018.019872e0@mail.omnitec.net> At 12:06 PM 12/31/2009 -0600, you wrote: >Some of the Management tools for Vmware were not quite ready for Win 7 >last time I looked. I would think they would be by now. > >-Nate Have not tried Win7, but I have had no problems at all running Vista or XP in VirtualBox (OpenSuSE as the host OS). Would it not make more sense to run VMWare or VirtualBox on a Linux host? Lee From barry at vonahsen.com Thu Dec 31 12:45:00 2009 From: barry at vonahsen.com (Barry Von Ahsen) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:45:00 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] public/private wifi In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20091231113831.01986078@mail.omnitec.net> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20091231113831.01986078@mail.omnitec.net> Message-ID: <4B3CF12C.6050401@vonahsen.com> L. V. Lammert wrote: >.. for a public AP no encryption needed. Connect the > public AP to your main router on the outbound connection, .. > this is the part that's getting "interesting" - if you're wap is open, some areas would consider you an ISP, with all of the regulations and liabilities associated my wap is open at home - the idea initially being a friendly citizen, but I've been keeping an eye on what that leaves me open to legally. I just haven't had the time/energy to correct it -barry From tdwalton at gmail.com Thu Dec 31 13:22:26 2009 From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:22:26 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] update In-Reply-To: <1262178468.2072.55.camel@localcentos5> References: <1262178468.2072.55.camel@localcentos5> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Dave Hala Jr wrote: > I'm considering running Windows 7 as the base OS. What makes you consider this? -- Todd From tdwalton at gmail.com Thu Dec 31 13:29:50 2009 From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:29:50 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] public/private wifi In-Reply-To: <4B3CF12C.6050401@vonahsen.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20091231113831.01986078@mail.omnitec.net> <4B3CF12C.6050401@vonahsen.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Barry Von Ahsen wrote: > this is the part that's getting "interesting" - if you're wap is open, > some areas would consider you an ISP, with all of the regulations and > liabilities associated > > my wap is open at home - the idea initially being a friendly citizen, > but I've been keeping an eye on what that leaves me open to legally. ?I > just haven't had the time/energy to correct it Serving Life for Providing Car to Killers: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/04/us/04felony.html?_r=1 A guy loaned his friend his car. The friend then drove somewhere to commit a crime and ended up killing someone. Now the guy, the owner of the car, is serving life. -- Todd From inflatablesoulmate at brothersofchaos.com Thu Dec 31 14:16:02 2009 From: inflatablesoulmate at brothersofchaos.com (Matt Stanton) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:16:02 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] update In-Reply-To: References: <1262178468.2072.55.camel@localcentos5> Message-ID: <4B3D0682.3080206@brothersofchaos.com> The main advantage I would see in running Win7 as the host OS is that a lot of these VM platforms do not support DirectX for the guest OS (or at least not a reasonably recent version of it). So, if the reason you have Win7 running is because you like to crack out on 3d gaming, it would probably be easier to use Win7 as the host OS. Parallels 5 now supports DirectX 9.0c and 9Ex, which is pretty much the highest level of DirectX most games use, though Vista added support for DX10, and 7 supposedly adds support for DX11. As for VMware and VirtualBox, I haven't looked to see where their DirectX support is. Todd Walton wrote: > On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Dave Hala Jr wrote: > >> I'm considering running Windows 7 as the base OS. >> > > What makes you consider this? > > -- > Todd > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > From dave at 58ghz.net Thu Dec 31 14:45:17 2009 From: dave at 58ghz.net (Dave Hala Jr) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:45:17 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] update In-Reply-To: References: <1262178468.2072.55.camel@localcentos5> Message-ID: <1262292317.2072.100.camel@localcentos5> I need to start working back in the windows world. I pretty much did nothing with Vista. It pissed me off right from the start, so I just decided not to use it. I skipped it entirely. Now I need to get back into the groove. I know this will probably make some people just cringe, but I'm betting that it will be a faster/easier learning curve to run Linux in a VM on 7, rather than 7 in a VM on linux, especially with a some brand new hardware. :) Dave On Thu, 2009-12-31 at 13:22 -0600, Todd Walton wrote: > On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Dave Hala Jr wrote: > > I'm considering running Windows 7 as the base OS. > > What makes you consider this? > > -- > Todd > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From icepuck2k at gmail.com Thu Dec 31 18:06:00 2009 From: icepuck2k at gmail.com (Dan Hockey) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 18:06:00 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] update In-Reply-To: <1262292317.2072.100.camel@localcentos5> References: <1262178468.2072.55.camel@localcentos5> <1262292317.2072.100.camel@localcentos5> Message-ID: <727223620912311606s3b808f0fq84e42cb37239b214@mail.gmail.com> Win7pro 2.5gb ram & virtualbox seems to work just fine. I recently installed debian in virtualbox, I had to installed the development stuff in order to get virualbox guest additions to work. otherwise you wont be able to change the screen resolution in debian. On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Dave Hala Jr wrote: > I need to start working back in the windows world. I pretty much did > nothing with Vista. It pissed me off right from the start, so I just > decided not to use it. I skipped it entirely. Now I need to get back > into the groove. > > I know this will probably make some people just cringe, but I'm betting > that it will be a faster/easier learning curve to run Linux in a VM on > 7, rather than 7 in a VM on linux, especially with a some brand new > hardware. > > :) Dave > > On Thu, 2009-12-31 at 13:22 -0600, Todd Walton wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Dave Hala Jr wrote: > > > I'm considering running Windows 7 as the base OS. > > > > What makes you consider this? > > > > -- > > Todd > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug at cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20091231/277a37a1/attachment.htm From thiessenstuart at aol.com Thu Dec 31 18:38:16 2009 From: thiessenstuart at aol.com (Stuart Thiessen) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 18:38:16 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] public/private wifi In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20091231113831.01986078@mail.omnitec.net> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20091231113831.01986078@mail.omnitec.net> Message-ID: <2868EAE6-6A27-45F3-8ED8-7659B1BA03DE@aol.com> I noticed that one of the newer DLink routers came ready for a "guest" wireless network and your actual wireless network. I never needed that feature so I never explored it. FYI. Stuart On Dec 31, 2009, at 11:42 , L. V. Lammert wrote: > At 03:58 PM 12/30/2009 -0600, you wrote: >> What's the ideal way to set up a public/private wifi network? Picture this >> scenario: >> >> You have a network that you want to allow people to access publicly. There >> is a shared wep key that you can tell people to use when they're connected >> to your network. Devices may be a PC or could be a phone, an iPod, a wii >> or whatever. However you don't want these people to use your printer or >> access your network shares. Being able to limit the bandwidth used by >> these devices is nice. > >> Don't use WEP, .. for a public AP no encryption needed. Connect the > public AP to your main router on the outbound connection, .. > >> Use a 2nd AP/Router for your internal machines; as this would be a > separate subnet, there's no way for someone on the public AP to access > machines on the LAN side of AP2 unless you create specific port forwards. > For the private side, don't broadcast SSID & use WPA2. > > Lee > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug at cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From dave at dchamp.net Thu Dec 31 18:58:29 2009 From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 18:58:29 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Cialug] public/private wifi Message-ID: This is a similar method to what Jeff suggested, using DD-WRT: http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Multiple_WLANs -dc From terry at HaimannOnline.com Fri Dec 18 23:38:25 2009 From: terry at HaimannOnline.com (Terry A. Haimann) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 05:38:25 -0000 Subject: [Cialug] Ubuntu Laptop Message-ID: <4B2C66D7.1080407@HaimannOnline.com> My wifes Ubuntu laptop has become very slow to boot. I also see that I canno longer ssh into it. I have copied the dmesg output, I hope it helps. 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[ 0.001310] Console: colour VGA+ 80x25 [ 0.001313] console [tty0] enabled [ 0.001478] hpet clockevent registered [ 0.001482] HPET: 4 timers in total, 0 timers will be used for per-cpu timer [ 0.001489] Calibrating delay loop (skipped), value calculated using timer frequency.. 3989.92 BogoMIPS (lpj=7979848) [ 0.001506] Security Framework initialized [ 0.001525] AppArmor: AppArmor initialized [ 0.001532] Mount-cache hash table entries: 512 [ 0.001652] Initializing cgroup subsys ns [ 0.001656] Initializing cgroup subsys cpuacct [ 0.001660] Initializing cgroup subsys memory [ 0.001666] Initializing cgroup subsys freezer [ 0.001669] Initializing cgroup subsys net_cls [ 0.001682] CPU: L1 I cache: 32K, L1 D cache: 32K [ 0.001684] CPU: L2 cache: 1024K [ 0.001686] CPU: Physical Processor ID: 0 [ 0.001688] CPU: Processor Core ID: 0 [ 0.001691] mce: CPU supports 6 MCE banks [ 0.001699] CPU0: Thermal monitoring enabled (TM2) [ 0.001702] using mwait in idle threads. [ 0.001708] Performance Counters: Core2 events, Intel PMU driver. [ 0.001716] ... version: 2 [ 0.001717] ... bit width: 40 [ 0.001719] ... generic counters: 2 [ 0.001720] ... value mask: 000000ffffffffff [ 0.001722] ... max period: 000000007fffffff [ 0.001724] ... fixed-purpose counters: 3 [ 0.001725] ... counter mask: 0000000700000003 [ 0.001731] Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK. [ 0.018709] ACPI: Core revision 20090521 [ 0.036411] ..TIMER: vector=0x30 apic1=0 pin1=2 apic2=-1 pin2=-1 [ 0.077645] CPU0: Intel Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU T4200 @ 2.00GHz stepping 0a [ 0.080001] Booting processor 1 APIC 0x1 ip 0x6000 [ 0.004000] Initializing CPU#1 [ 0.004000] Calibrating delay using timer specific routine.. 3989.95 BogoMIPS (lpj=7979910) [ 0.004000] CPU: L1 I cache: 32K, L1 D cache: 32K [ 0.004000] CPU: L2 cache: 1024K [ 0.004000] CPU: Physical Processor ID: 0 [ 0.004000] CPU: Processor Core ID: 1 [ 0.004000] mce: CPU supports 6 MCE banks [ 0.004000] CPU1: Thermal monitoring enabled (TM2) [ 0.004000] x86 PAT enabled: cpu 1, old 0x7040600070406, new 0x7010600070106 [ 0.165401] CPU1: Intel Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU T4200 @ 2.00GHz stepping 0a [ 0.165417] checking TSC synchronization [CPU#0 -> CPU#1]: passed. [ 0.168021] Brought up 2 CPUs [ 0.168023] Total of 2 processors activated (7979.87 BogoMIPS). [ 0.168074] CPU0 attaching sched-domain: [ 0.168077] domain 0: span 0-1 level MC [ 0.168079] groups: 0 1 [ 0.168084] CPU1 attaching sched-domain: [ 0.168086] domain 0: span 0-1 level MC [ 0.168088] groups: 1 0 [ 0.168161] Booting paravirtualized kernel on bare hardware [ 0.168205] regulator: core version 0.5 [ 0.168205] Time: 22:48:21 Date: 12/18/09 [ 0.168205] NET: Registered protocol family 16 [ 0.168209] EISA bus registered [ 0.168218] ACPI FADT declares the system doesn't support PCIe ASPM, so disable it [ 0.168221] ACPI: bus type pci registered [ 0.168286] PCI: MCFG configuration 0: base f8000000 segment 0 buses 0 - 63 [ 0.168289] PCI: MCFG area at f8000000 reserved in E820 [ 0.168291] PCI: Using MMCONFIG for extended config space [ 0.168293] PCI: Using configuration type 1 for base access [ 0.169268] bio: create slab at 0 [ 0.172642] ACPI: EC: Enabling special treatment for EC from MSI. [ 0.172644] ACPI: EC: Look up EC in DSDT [ 0.176482] ACPI: BIOS _OSI(Linux) query ignored [ 0.176020] ACPI: EC: non-query interrupt received, switching to interrupt mode [ 0.200541] ACPI: Interpreter enabled [ 0.200541] ACPI: (supports S0 S3 S4 S5) [ 0.200541] ACPI: Using IOAPIC for interrupt routing [ 0.240975] ACPI: EC: GPE = 0x17, I/O: command/status = 0x66, data = 0x62 [ 0.240978] ACPI: EC: driver started in interrupt mode [ 0.241404] ACPI: No dock devices found. [ 0.242216] ACPI: PCI Root Bridge [PCI0] (0000:00) [ 0.242313] pci 0000:00:02.0: reg 10 64bit mmio: [0xd0000000-0xd03fffff] [ 0.242321] pci 0000:00:02.0: reg 18 64bit mmio: [0xc0000000-0xcfffffff] [ 0.242326] pci 0000:00:02.0: reg 20 io port: [0x5110-0x5117] [ 0.242369] pci 0000:00:02.1: reg 10 64bit mmio: [0xd2500000-0xd25fffff] [ 0.242500] pci 0000:00:1a.0: reg 20 io port: [0x50e0-0x50ff] [ 0.244026] pci 0000:00:1a.1: reg 20 io port: [0x50c0-0x50df] [ 0.244125] pci 0000:00:1a.2: reg 20 io port: [0x50a0-0x50bf] [ 0.244226] pci 0000:00:1a.7: reg 10 32bit mmio: [0xd4705c00-0xd4705fff] [ 0.244299] pci 0000:00:1a.7: PME# supported from D0 D3hot D3cold [ 0.244305] pci 0000:00:1a.7: PME# disabled [ 0.244365] pci 0000:00:1b.0: reg 10 64bit mmio: [0xd4700000-0xd4703fff] [ 0.244430] pci 0000:00:1b.0: PME# supported from D0 D3hot D3cold [ 0.244435] pci 0000:00:1b.0: PME# disabled [ 0.244526] pci 0000:00:1c.0: PME# supported from D0 D3hot D3cold [ 0.244531] pci 0000:00:1c.0: PME# disabled [ 0.244625] pci 0000:00:1c.1: PME# supported from D0 D3hot D3cold [ 0.244630] pci 0000:00:1c.1: PME# disabled [ 0.244717] pci 0000:00:1d.0: reg 20 io port: [0x5080-0x509f] [ 0.244816] pci 0000:00:1d.1: reg 20 io port: [0x5060-0x507f] [ 0.244916] pci 0000:00:1d.2: reg 20 io port: [0x5040-0x505f] [ 0.245018] pci 0000:00:1d.7: reg 10 32bit mmio: [0xd4705800-0xd4705bff] [ 0.245091] pci 0000:00:1d.7: PME# supported from D0 D3hot D3cold [ 0.245097] pci 0000:00:1d.7: PME# disabled [ 0.245367] pci 0000:00:1f.2: reg 10 io port: [0x5108-0x510f] [ 0.245375] pci 0000:00:1f.2: reg 14 io port: [0x511c-0x511f] [ 0.245384] pci 0000:00:1f.2: reg 18 io port: [0x5100-0x5107] [ 0.245392] pci 0000:00:1f.2: reg 1c io port: [0x5118-0x511b] [ 0.245400] pci 0000:00:1f.2: reg 20 io port: [0x5020-0x503f] [ 0.245409] pci 0000:00:1f.2: reg 24 32bit mmio: [0xd4705000-0xd47057ff] [ 0.245459] pci 0000:00:1f.2: PME# supported from D3hot [ 0.245464] pci 0000:00:1f.2: PME# disabled [ 0.245508] pci 0000:00:1f.3: reg 10 64bit mmio: [0xd4706000-0xd47060ff] [ 0.245528] pci 0000:00:1f.3: reg 20 io port: [0x5000-0x501f] [ 0.245606] pci 0000:00:1f.6: reg 10 64bit mmio: [0xd4704000-0xd4704fff] [ 0.245747] pci 0000:01:00.0: reg 10 io port: [0x3000-0x30ff] [ 0.245775] pci 0000:01:00.0: reg 18 64bit mmio: [0xd0410000-0xd0410fff] [ 0.245795] pci 0000:01:00.0: reg 20 64bit mmio: [0xd0400000-0xd040ffff] [ 0.245806] pci 0000:01:00.0: reg 30 32bit mmio: [0xfffe0000-0xffffffff] [ 0.245862] pci 0000:01:00.0: supports D1 D2 [ 0.245864] pci 0000:01:00.0: PME# supported from D0 D1 D2 D3hot D3cold [ 0.245870] pci 0000:01:00.0: PME# disabled [ 0.245960] pci 0000:00:1c.0: bridge io port: [0x3000-0x4fff] [ 0.245965] pci 0000:00:1c.0: bridge 32bit mmio: [0xd3700000-0xd46fffff] [ 0.245974] pci 0000:00:1c.0: bridge 64bit mmio pref: [0xd0400000-0xd14fffff] [ 0.246049] pci 0000:02:00.0: reg 10 64bit mmio: [0xd2600000-0xd260ffff] [ 0.246226] pci 0000:00:1c.1: bridge io port: [0x2000-0x2fff] [ 0.246232] pci 0000:00:1c.1: bridge 32bit mmio: [0xd2600000-0xd36fffff] [ 0.246240] pci 0000:00:1c.1: bridge 64bit mmio pref: [0xd1500000-0xd24fffff] [ 0.246313] pci 0000:00:1e.0: transparent bridge [ 0.246347] pci_bus 0000:00: on NUMA node 0 [ 0.246354] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0._PRT] [ 0.246656] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0.P32_._PRT] [ 0.246707] ACPI Warning: \_SB_.PCI0.P32_._PRT: Return Package has no elements (empty) 20090521 nspredef-434 [ 0.246774] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0.EXP1._PRT] [ 0.246876] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0.EXP2._PRT] [ 0.251903] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKA] (IRQs 3 4 5 7 9 10 *11 12) [ 0.252048] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKB] (IRQs 3 4 5 7 9 10 *11 12) [ 0.252181] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKC] (IRQs 3 4 5 7 9 *10 11 12) [ 0.252313] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKD] (IRQs 3 4 5 7 9 10 *11 12) [ 0.252445] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKE] (IRQs 3 4 5 7 9 10 *11 12) [ 0.252576] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKF] (IRQs 3 4 5 7 9 10 *11 12) [ 0.252707] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKG] (IRQs 3 4 5 7 9 10 *11 12) [ 0.252839] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKH] (IRQs 3 4 5 7 9 10 *11 12) [ 0.253038] SCSI subsystem initialized [ 0.253051] libata version 3.00 loaded. [ 0.253051] usbcore: registered new interface driver usbfs [ 0.253051] usbcore: registered new interface driver hub [ 0.253051] usbcore: registered new device driver usb [ 0.253051] ACPI: WMI: Mapper loaded [ 0.253051] PCI: Using ACPI for IRQ routing [ 0.264008] Bluetooth: Core ver 2.15 [ 0.264013] NET: Registered protocol family 31 [ 0.264014] Bluetooth: HCI device and connection manager initialized [ 0.264016] Bluetooth: HCI socket layer initialized [ 0.264018] NetLabel: Initializing [ 0.264020] NetLabel: domain hash size = 128 [ 0.264021] NetLabel: protocols = UNLABELED CIPSOv4 [ 0.264033] NetLabel: unlabeled traffic allowed by default [ 0.264066] hpet0: at MMIO 0xfed00000, IRQs 2, 8, 0, 0 [ 0.264072] hpet0: 4 comparators, 64-bit 14.318180 MHz counter [ 0.281446] pnp: PnP ACPI init [ 0.281467] ACPI: bus type pnp registered [ 0.283241] pnp: PnP ACPI: found 9 devices [ 0.283244] ACPI: ACPI bus type pnp unregistered [ 0.283248] PnPBIOS: Disabled by ACPI PNP [ 0.283259] system 00:01: ioport range 0x164e-0x164f has been reserved [ 0.283263] system 00:01: ioport range 0x600-0x60f has been reserved [ 0.283265] system 00:01: ioport range 0x610-0x610 has been reserved [ 0.283268] system 00:01: ioport range 0x800-0x80f has been reserved [ 0.283271] system 00:01: ioport range 0x810-0x817 has been reserved [ 0.283274] system 00:01: ioport range 0x820-0x823 has been reserved [ 0.283276] system 00:01: ioport range 0x830-0x83b has been reserved [ 0.283279] system 00:01: ioport range 0x400-0x47f has been reserved [ 0.283282] system 00:01: ioport range 0x500-0x53f has been reserved [ 0.283285] system 00:01: iomem range 0xf8000000-0xfbffffff has been reserved [ 0.283288] system 00:01: iomem range 0xfed1c000-0xfed1ffff has been reserved [ 0.283291] system 00:01: iomem range 0xfed10000-0xfed13fff has been reserved [ 0.283294] system 00:01: iomem range 0xfed18000-0xfed18fff has been reserved [ 0.283297] system 00:01: iomem range 0xfed19000-0xfed19fff has been reserved [ 0.283300] system 00:01: iomem range 0xfec00000-0xfec00fff could not be reserved [ 0.283303] system 00:01: iomem range 0xfed20000-0xfed3ffff has been reserved [ 0.283306] system 00:01: iomem range 0xfed40000-0xfed44fff has been reserved [ 0.283309] system 00:01: iomem range 0xfed45000-0xfed8ffff has been reserved [ 0.283312] system 00:01: iomem range 0xfee00000-0xfee00fff has been reserved [ 0.283315] system 00:01: iomem range 0xff800000-0xff800fff has been reserved [ 0.317984] AppArmor: AppArmor Filesystem Enabled [ 0.318002] pci 0000:01:00.0: BAR 6: no parent found for of device [0xfffe0000-0xffffffff] [ 0.318042] pci 0000:00:1c.0: PCI bridge, secondary bus 0000:01 [ 0.318046] pci 0000:00:1c.0: IO window: 0x3000-0x4fff [ 0.318053] pci 0000:00:1c.0: MEM window: 0xd3700000-0xd46fffff [ 0.318058] pci 0000:00:1c.0: PREFETCH window: 0x000000d0400000-0x000000d14fffff [ 0.318066] pci 0000:00:1c.1: PCI bridge, secondary bus 0000:02 [ 0.318070] pci 0000:00:1c.1: IO window: 0x2000-0x2fff [ 0.318076] pci 0000:00:1c.1: MEM window: 0xd2600000-0xd36fffff [ 0.318082] pci 0000:00:1c.1: PREFETCH window: 0x000000d1500000-0x000000d24fffff [ 0.318090] pci 0000:00:1e.0: PCI bridge, secondary bus 0000:03 [ 0.318092] pci 0000:00:1e.0: IO window: disabled [ 0.318098] pci 0000:00:1e.0: MEM window: disabled [ 0.318102] pci 0000:00:1e.0: PREFETCH window: disabled [ 0.318118] alloc irq_desc for 21 on node -1 [ 0.318120] alloc kstat_irqs on node -1 [ 0.318125] pci 0000:00:1c.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 21 (level, low) -> IRQ 21 [ 0.318131] pci 0000:00:1c.0: setting latency timer to 64 [ 0.318140] alloc irq_desc for 20 on node -1 [ 0.318141] alloc kstat_irqs on node -1 [ 0.318145] pci 0000:00:1c.1: PCI INT B -> GSI 20 (level, low) -> IRQ 20 [ 0.318150] pci 0000:00:1c.1: setting latency timer to 64 [ 0.318158] pci 0000:00:1e.0: setting latency timer to 64 [ 0.318163] pci_bus 0000:00: resource 0 io: [0x00-0xffff] [ 0.318165] pci_bus 0000:00: resource 1 mem: [0x000000-0xffffffff] [ 0.318168] pci_bus 0000:01: resource 0 io: [0x3000-0x4fff] [ 0.318170] pci_bus 0000:01: resource 1 mem: [0xd3700000-0xd46fffff] [ 0.318173] pci_bus 0000:01: resource 2 pref mem [0xd0400000-0xd14fffff] [ 0.318175] pci_bus 0000:02: resource 0 io: [0x2000-0x2fff] [ 0.318178] pci_bus 0000:02: resource 1 mem: [0xd2600000-0xd36fffff] [ 0.318180] pci_bus 0000:02: resource 2 pref mem [0xd1500000-0xd24fffff] [ 0.318183] pci_bus 0000:03: resource 3 io: [0x00-0xffff] [ 0.318185] pci_bus 0000:03: resource 4 mem: [0x000000-0xffffffff] [ 0.318221] NET: Registered protocol family 2 [ 0.318316] IP route cache hash table entries: 32768 (order: 5, 131072 bytes) [ 0.318621] TCP established hash table entries: 131072 (order: 8, 1048576 bytes) [ 0.319053] TCP bind hash table entries: 65536 (order: 7, 524288 bytes) [ 0.319336] TCP: Hash tables configured (established 131072 bind 65536) [ 0.319339] TCP reno registered [ 0.319451] NET: Registered protocol family 1 [ 0.319524] Trying to unpack rootfs image as initramfs... [ 0.501451] Switched to high resolution mode on CPU 1 [ 0.504004] Switched to high resolution mode on CPU 0 [ 0.508878] Freeing initrd memory: 7459k freed [ 0.512661] Simple Boot Flag value 0x9 read from CMOS RAM was invalid [ 0.512664] Simple Boot Flag at 0x44 set to 0x1 [ 0.512840] cpufreq-nforce2: No nForce2 chipset. [ 0.512866] Scanning for low memory corruption every 60 seconds [ 0.512963] audit: initializing netlink socket (disabled) [ 0.512980] type=2000 audit(1261176501.512:1): initialized [ 0.521594] highmem bounce pool size: 64 pages [ 0.521600] HugeTLB registered 4 MB page size, pre-allocated 0 pages [ 0.523026] VFS: Disk quotas dquot_6.5.2 [ 0.523087] Dquot-cache hash table entries: 1024 (order 0, 4096 bytes) [ 0.523621] fuse init (API version 7.12) [ 0.523701] msgmni has been set to 1681 [ 0.523895] alg: No test for stdrng (krng) [ 0.523904] io scheduler noop registered [ 0.523906] io scheduler anticipatory registered [ 0.523908] io scheduler deadline registered [ 0.523948] io scheduler cfq registered (default) [ 0.523961] pci 0000:00:02.0: Boot video device [ 0.524445] alloc irq_desc for 24 on node -1 [ 0.524447] alloc kstat_irqs on node -1 [ 0.524459] pcieport-driver 0000:00:1c.0: irq 24 for MSI/MSI-X [ 0.524471] pcieport-driver 0000:00:1c.0: setting latency timer to 64 [ 0.524635] alloc irq_desc for 25 on node -1 [ 0.524637] alloc kstat_irqs on node -1 [ 0.524646] pcieport-driver 0000:00:1c.1: irq 25 for MSI/MSI-X [ 0.524657] pcieport-driver 0000:00:1c.1: setting latency timer to 64 [ 0.524760] pci_hotplug: PCI Hot Plug PCI Core version: 0.5 [ 0.525128] pciehp 0000:00:1c.0:pcie04: HPC vendor_id 8086 device_id 2940 ss_vid 0 ss_did 0 [ 0.525173] pciehp 0000:00:1c.0:pcie04: service driver pciehp loaded [ 0.525197] pciehp 0000:00:1c.1:pcie04: HPC vendor_id 8086 device_id 2942 ss_vid 0 ss_did 0 [ 0.525235] pciehp 0000:00:1c.1:pcie04: service driver pciehp loaded [ 0.525243] pciehp: PCI Express Hot Plug Controller Driver version: 0.4 [ 0.528825] ACPI: AC Adapter [ADP1] (on-line) [ 0.528889] input: Power Button as /devices/LNXSYSTM:00/LNXPWRBN:00/input/input0 [ 0.528893] ACPI: Power Button [PWRF] [ 0.528942] input: Lid Switch as /devices/LNXSYSTM:00/device:00/PNP0C0D:00/input/input1 [ 0.531974] ACPI: Lid Switch [LID0] [ 0.532020] input: Sleep Button as /devices/LNXSYSTM:00/device:00/PNP0C0E:00/input/input2 [ 0.532027] ACPI: Sleep Button [SLPB] [ 0.532879] ACPI: SSDT bbbb3c98 00223 (v01 PmRef Cpu0Ist 00003000 INTL 20051117) [ 0.533485] ACPI: SSDT bbbb1598 00537 (v01 PmRef Cpu0Cst 00003001 INTL 20051117) [ 0.534002] Monitor-Mwait will be used to enter C-1 state [ 0.534026] Monitor-Mwait will be used to enter C-2 state [ 0.534034] Marking TSC unstable due to TSC halts in idle [ 0.534048] ACPI: CPU0 (power states: C1[C1] C2[C2]) [ 0.534072] processor LNXCPU:00: registered as cooling_device0 [ 0.534076] ACPI: Processor [CPU0] (supports 8 throttling states) [ 0.534567] ACPI: SSDT bbbb2e18 001CF (v01 PmRef ApIst 00003000 INTL 20051117) [ 0.535060] ACPI: SSDT bbbb3f18 0008D (v01 PmRef ApCst 00003000 INTL 20051117) [ 0.535668] ACPI: CPU1 (power states: C1[C1] C2[C2]) [ 0.535693] processor LNXCPU:01: registered as cooling_device1 [ 0.535696] ACPI: Processor [CPU1] (supports 8 throttling states) [ 0.569246] thermal LNXTHERM:01: registered as thermal_zone0 [ 0.569255] ACPI: Thermal Zone [TZS0] (27 C) [ 0.582396] thermal LNXTHERM:02: registered as thermal_zone1 [ 0.582404] ACPI: Thermal Zone [TZS1] (27 C) [ 0.582462] isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards... [ 0.886630] ACPI: Battery Slot [BAT0] (battery present) [ 0.937775] isapnp: No Plug & Play device found [ 0.938936] Serial: 8250/16550 driver, 4 ports, IRQ sharing enabled [ 0.940211] brd: module loaded [ 0.940638] loop: module loaded [ 0.940710] input: Macintosh mouse button emulation as /devices/virtual/input/input3 [ 0.940782] ahci 0000:00:1f.2: version 3.0 [ 0.940798] alloc irq_desc for 23 on node -1 [ 0.940800] alloc kstat_irqs on node -1 [ 0.940807] ahci 0000:00:1f.2: PCI INT B -> GSI 23 (level, low) -> IRQ 23 [ 0.940843] alloc irq_desc for 26 on node -1 [ 0.940845] alloc kstat_irqs on node -1 [ 0.940854] ahci 0000:00:1f.2: irq 26 for MSI/MSI-X [ 0.940908] ahci: SSS flag set, parallel bus scan disabled [ 0.940948] ahci 0000:00:1f.2: AHCI 0001.0200 32 slots 4 ports 3 Gbps 0x33 impl SATA mode [ 0.940951] ahci 0000:00:1f.2: flags: 64bit ncq sntf ilck stag pm led clo pmp pio slum part ems [ 0.940957] ahci 0000:00:1f.2: setting latency timer to 64 [ 0.964087] scsi0 : ahci [ 0.964197] scsi1 : ahci [ 0.964256] scsi2 : ahci [ 0.964313] scsi3 : ahci [ 0.964372] scsi4 : ahci [ 0.964429] scsi5 : ahci [ 0.964677] ata1: SATA max UDMA/133 abar m2048 at 0xd4705000 port 0xd4705100 irq 26 [ 0.964681] ata2: SATA max UDMA/133 abar m2048 at 0xd4705000 port 0xd4705180 irq 26 [ 0.964683] ata3: DUMMY [ 0.964684] ata4: DUMMY [ 0.964687] ata5: SATA max UDMA/133 abar m2048 at 0xd4705000 port 0xd4705300 irq 26 [ 0.964691] ata6: SATA max UDMA/133 abar m2048 at 0xd4705000 port 0xd4705380 irq 26 [ 0.965577] Fixed MDIO Bus: probed [ 0.965613] PPP generic driver version 2.4.2 [ 0.965715] ehci_hcd: USB 2.0 'Enhanced' Host Controller (EHCI) Driver [ 0.965737] alloc irq_desc for 18 on node -1 [ 0.965739] alloc kstat_irqs on node -1 [ 0.965746] ehci_hcd 0000:00:1a.7: PCI INT D -> GSI 18 (level, low) -> IRQ 18 [ 0.965765] ehci_hcd 0000:00:1a.7: setting latency timer to 64 [ 0.965768] ehci_hcd 0000:00:1a.7: EHCI Host Controller [ 0.965815] ehci_hcd 0000:00:1a.7: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1 [ 0.969726] ehci_hcd 0000:00:1a.7: debug port 1 [ 0.969733] ehci_hcd 0000:00:1a.7: cache line size of 32 is not supported [ 0.969748] ehci_hcd 0000:00:1a.7: irq 18, io mem 0xd4705c00 [ 0.984019] ehci_hcd 0000:00:1a.7: USB 2.0 started, EHCI 1.00 [ 0.984092] usb usb1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice [ 0.984119] hub 1-0:1.0: USB hub found [ 0.984130] hub 1-0:1.0: 6 ports detected [ 0.984198] ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: PCI INT B -> GSI 18 (level, low) -> IRQ 18 [ 0.984210] ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: setting latency timer to 64 [ 0.984213] ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: EHCI Host Controller [ 0.984243] ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 2 [ 0.988157] ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: debug port 1 [ 0.988164] ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: cache line size of 32 is not supported [ 0.988169] ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: irq 18, io mem 0xd4705800 [ 1.004014] ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: USB 2.0 started, EHCI 1.00 [ 1.004084] usb usb2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice [ 1.004109] hub 2-0:1.0: USB hub found [ 1.004116] hub 2-0:1.0: 6 ports detected [ 1.004174] ohci_hcd: USB 1.1 'Open' Host Controller (OHCI) Driver [ 1.004191] uhci_hcd: USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver [ 1.004223] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1a.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 18 (level, low) -> IRQ 18 [ 1.004230] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1a.0: setting latency timer to 64 [ 1.004234] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1a.0: UHCI Host Controller [ 1.004263] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1a.0: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 3 [ 1.004292] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1a.0: irq 18, io base 0x000050e0 [ 1.004369] usb usb3: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice [ 1.004394] hub 3-0:1.0: USB hub found [ 1.004400] hub 3-0:1.0: 2 ports detected [ 1.004449] alloc irq_desc for 19 on node -1 [ 1.004451] alloc kstat_irqs on node -1 [ 1.004456] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1a.1: PCI INT B -> GSI 19 (level, low) -> IRQ 19 [ 1.004463] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1a.1: setting latency timer to 64 [ 1.004466] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1a.1: UHCI Host Controller [ 1.004495] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1a.1: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 4 [ 1.004530] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1a.1: irq 19, io base 0x000050c0 [ 1.004606] usb usb4: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice [ 1.004630] hub 4-0:1.0: USB hub found [ 1.004636] hub 4-0:1.0: 2 ports detected [ 1.004681] alloc irq_desc for 17 on node -1 [ 1.004683] alloc kstat_irqs on node -1 [ 1.004687] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1a.2: PCI INT C -> GSI 17 (level, low) -> IRQ 17 [ 1.004694] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1a.2: setting latency timer to 64 [ 1.004697] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1a.2: UHCI Host Controller [ 1.004725] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1a.2: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 5 [ 1.004760] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1a.2: irq 17, io base 0x000050a0 [ 1.004838] usb usb5: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice [ 1.004863] hub 5-0:1.0: USB hub found [ 1.004868] hub 5-0:1.0: 2 ports detected [ 1.004915] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.0: PCI INT B -> GSI 18 (level, low) -> IRQ 18 [ 1.004921] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.0: setting latency timer to 64 [ 1.004925] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.0: UHCI Host Controller [ 1.004958] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.0: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 6 [ 1.004986] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.0: irq 18, io base 0x00005080 [ 1.005061] usb usb6: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice [ 1.005087] hub 6-0:1.0: USB hub found [ 1.005093] hub 6-0:1.0: 2 ports detected [ 1.005144] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.1: PCI INT C -> GSI 19 (level, low) -> IRQ 19 [ 1.005152] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.1: setting latency timer to 64 [ 1.005156] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.1: UHCI Host Controller [ 1.005187] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.1: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 7 [ 1.005215] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.1: irq 19, io base 0x00005060 [ 1.005288] usb usb7: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice [ 1.005315] hub 7-0:1.0: USB hub found [ 1.005321] hub 7-0:1.0: 2 ports detected [ 1.005369] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.2: PCI INT D -> GSI 17 (level, low) -> IRQ 17 [ 1.005376] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.2: setting latency timer to 64 [ 1.005379] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.2: UHCI Host Controller [ 1.005408] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.2: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 8 [ 1.005435] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.2: irq 17, io base 0x00005040 [ 1.005510] usb usb8: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice [ 1.005535] hub 8-0:1.0: USB hub found [ 1.005541] hub 8-0:1.0: 2 ports detected [ 1.005633] PNP: PS/2 Controller [PNP0303:KBD0,PNP0f13:PS2M] at 0x60,0x64 irq 1,12 [ 1.024891] i8042.c: Detected active multiplexing controller, rev 1.1. [ 1.036257] serio: i8042 KBD port at 0x60,0x64 irq 1 [ 1.036263] serio: i8042 AUX0 port at 0x60,0x64 irq 12 [ 1.036266] serio: i8042 AUX1 port at 0x60,0x64 irq 12 [ 1.036269] serio: i8042 AUX2 port at 0x60,0x64 irq 12 [ 1.036271] serio: i8042 AUX3 port at 0x60,0x64 irq 12 [ 1.036334] mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice [ 1.036459] rtc_cmos 00:03: RTC can wake from S4 [ 1.036493] rtc_cmos 00:03: rtc core: registered rtc_cmos as rtc0 [ 1.036537] rtc0: alarms up to one month, 242 bytes nvram, hpet irqs [ 1.036639] device-mapper: uevent: version 1.0.3 [ 1.037256] device-mapper: ioctl: 4.15.0-ioctl (2009-04-01) initialised: dm-devel at redhat.com [ 1.037339] device-mapper: multipath: version 1.1.0 loaded [ 1.037342] device-mapper: multipath round-robin: version 1.0.0 loaded [ 1.037461] EISA: Probing bus 0 at eisa.0 [ 1.037471] Cannot allocate resource for EISA slot 2 [ 1.037473] Cannot allocate resource for EISA slot 3 [ 1.037475] Cannot allocate resource for EISA slot 4 [ 1.037477] Cannot allocate resource for EISA slot 5 [ 1.037492] EISA: Detected 0 cards. [ 1.037638] cpuidle: using governor ladder [ 1.037728] cpuidle: using governor menu [ 1.038205] TCP cubic registered [ 1.038353] NET: Registered protocol family 10 [ 1.038797] lo: Disabled Privacy Extensions [ 1.039123] NET: Registered protocol family 17 [ 1.039140] Bluetooth: L2CAP ver 2.13 [ 1.039142] Bluetooth: L2CAP socket layer initialized [ 1.039145] Bluetooth: SCO (Voice Link) ver 0.6 [ 1.039147] Bluetooth: SCO socket layer initialized [ 1.039181] Bluetooth: RFCOMM TTY layer initialized [ 1.039183] Bluetooth: RFCOMM socket layer initialized [ 1.039185] Bluetooth: RFCOMM ver 1.11 [ 1.039650] Using IPI No-Shortcut mode [ 1.039712] PM: Resume from disk failed. [ 1.039724] registered taskstats version 1 [ 1.039844] Magic number: 5:512:856 [ 1.039941] rtc_cmos 00:03: setting system clock to 2009-12-18 22:48:22 UTC (1261176502) [ 1.039944] BIOS EDD facility v0.16 2004-Jun-25, 0 devices found [ 1.039946] EDD information not available. [ 1.060589] input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard as /devices/platform/i8042/serio0/input/input4 [ 1.316822] usb 1-3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 2 [ 1.458980] usb 1-3: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice [ 1.480053] ata1: SATA link up 3.0 Gbps (SStatus 123 SControl 300) [ 1.482218] ata1.00: ACPI cmd 00/00:00:00:00:00:a0 rejected by device (Stat=0x51 Err=0x04) [ 1.482224] ata1.00: ATA-8: ST9320320AS, HP07, max UDMA/100 [ 1.482227] ata1.00: 625142448 sectors, multi 16: LBA48 NCQ (depth 31/32) [ 1.484653] ata1.00: ACPI cmd 00/00:00:00:00:00:a0 rejected by device (Stat=0x51 Err=0x04) [ 1.484677] ata1.00: configured for UDMA/100 [ 1.500039] Clocksource tsc unstable (delta = -250883819 ns) [ 1.500179] scsi 0:0:0:0: Direct-Access ATA ST9320320AS HP07 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5 [ 1.500300] sd 0:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg0 type 0 [ 1.500338] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] 625142448 512-byte logical blocks: (320 GB/298 GiB) [ 1.500381] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off [ 1.500384] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00 [ 1.500406] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA [ 1.500538] sda: sda1 sda2 sda3 < [ 1.572039] usb 1-5: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 3 [ 1.719261] sda5 [ 1.739231] usb 1-5: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice [ 1.763079] sda6 sda7 sda8 > [ 1.844571] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI disk [ 2.128034] usb 8-1: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2 [ 2.304536] usb 8-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice [ 2.388070] ata2: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 300) [ 2.403950] ata2.00: ACPI cmd 00/00:00:00:00:00:b0 rejected by device (Stat=0x51 Err=0x04) [ 2.403954] ata2.00: ATAPI: Slimtype DVD A DS8A2L-A, 7H63, max UDMA/100 [ 2.419824] ata2.00: ACPI cmd 00/00:00:00:00:00:b0 rejected by device (Stat=0x51 Err=0x04) [ 2.419852] ata2.00: configured for UDMA/100 [ 2.438889] scsi 1:0:0:0: CD-ROM Slimtype DVD A DS8A2L-A 7H63 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5 [ 2.447670] sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 24x/6x writer dvd-ram cd/rw xa/form2 cdda pop-up [ 2.447674] Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20 [ 2.447753] sr 1:0:0:0: Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0 [ 2.447795] sr 1:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg1 type 5 [ 2.764073] ata5: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 300) [ 3.100064] ata6: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 300) [ 3.116090] Freeing unused kernel memory: 540k freed [ 3.116398] Write protecting the kernel text: 4568k [ 3.116451] Write protecting the kernel read-only data: 1836k [ 3.278250] Linux agpgart interface v0.103 [ 3.281000] agpgart-intel 0000:00:00.0: Intel Mobile Intel? GM45 Express Chipset [ 3.281442] agpgart-intel 0000:00:00.0: detected 65532K stolen memory [ 3.284431] agpgart-intel 0000:00:00.0: AGP aperture is 256M @ 0xc0000000 [ 3.322461] [drm] Initialized drm 1.1.0 20060810 [ 3.362035] alloc irq_desc for 16 on node -1 [ 3.362040] alloc kstat_irqs on node -1 [ 3.362048] i915 0000:00:02.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 16 [ 3.362053] i915 0000:00:02.0: setting latency timer to 64 [ 3.367515] r8169 Gigabit Ethernet driver 2.3LK-NAPI loaded [ 3.367539] r8169 0000:01:00.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 16 [ 3.367585] r8169 0000:01:00.0: setting latency timer to 64 [ 3.367643] alloc irq_desc for 27 on node -1 [ 3.367646] alloc kstat_irqs on node -1 [ 3.367662] r8169 0000:01:00.0: irq 27 for MSI/MSI-X [ 3.368387] eth0: RTL8102e at 0xf80fa000, 00:1f:16:62:ba:a2, XID 34a00000 IRQ 27 [ 3.371732] Initializing USB Mass Storage driver... [ 3.382166] scsi6 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices [ 3.382220] usbcore: registered new interface driver hiddev [ 3.382825] usb-storage: device found at 2 [ 3.382827] usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning [ 3.382841] usbcore: registered new interface driver usb-storage [ 3.382844] USB Mass Storage support registered. [ 3.383225] alloc irq_desc for 28 on node -1 [ 3.383228] alloc kstat_irqs on node -1 [ 3.383237] i915 0000:00:02.0: irq 28 for MSI/MSI-X [ 3.395721] input: Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.2/usb8/8-1/8-1:1.0/input/input5 [ 3.395798] generic-usb 0003:046D:C044.0001: input,hidraw0: USB HID v1.10 Mouse [Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse] on usb-0000:00:1d.2-1/input0 [ 3.395816] usbcore: registered new interface driver usbhid [ 3.395819] usbhid: v2.6:USB HID core driver [ 3.490356] [drm] i2c_init DPDDC-B [ 3.500043] [drm] i2c_init DPDDC-D [ 3.618156] i2c-adapter i2c-2: unable to read EDID block. [ 3.618160] i915 0000:00:02.0: HDMI Type A-1: no EDID data [ 4.242302] [drm] TV-20: set mode NTSC 480i 0 [ 4.367713] [drm] fb0: inteldrmfb frame buffer device [ 4.407298] acpi device:04: registered as cooling_device2 [ 4.407556] input: Video Bus as /devices/LNXSYSTM:00/device:00/PNP0A08:00/device:01/input/input6 [ 4.407593] ACPI: Video Device [OVGA] (multi-head: yes rom: no post: no) [ 4.407621] [drm] Initialized i915 1.6.0 20080730 for 0000:00:02.0 on minor 0 [ 4.473762] [drm] LVDS-8: set mode 1366x768 1d [ 4.629984] Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 170x48 [ 4.944270] PM: Starting manual resume from disk [ 4.944274] PM: Resume from partition 8:8 [ 4.944276] PM: Checking hibernation image. [ 4.944530] PM: Resume from disk failed. [ 4.949514] EXT3-fs: INFO: recovery required on readonly filesystem. [ 4.949517] EXT3-fs: write access will be enabled during recovery. [ 8.380372] usb-storage: device scan complete [ 8.382327] scsi 6:0:0:0: Direct-Access Generic- Multi-Card 1.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS [ 8.382716] sd 6:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0 [ 8.386941] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk [ 30.526750] kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds [ 30.526782] EXT3-fs: sda7: orphan cleanup on readonly fs [ 30.526788] ext3_orphan_cleanup: deleting unreferenced inode 4325416 [ 30.577546] EXT3-fs: sda7: 1 orphan inode deleted [ 30.577548] EXT3-fs: recovery complete. [ 30.585840] EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with writeback data mode. [ 32.577993] type=1505 audit(1261176534.036:2): operation="profile_load" pid=465 name=/usr/share/gdm/guest-session/Xsession [ 32.593969] type=1505 audit(1261176534.052:3): operation="profile_load" pid=466 name=/sbin/dhclient3 [ 32.594696] type=1505 audit(1261176534.052:4): operation="profile_load" pid=466 name=/usr/lib/NetworkManager/nm-dhcp-client.action [ 32.595088] type=1505 audit(1261176534.052:5): operation="profile_load" pid=466 name=/usr/lib/connman/scripts/dhclient-script [ 32.629763] type=1505 audit(1261176534.088:6): operation="profile_load" pid=467 name=/usr/bin/evince [ 32.641564] type=1505 audit(1261176534.100:7): operation="profile_load" pid=467 name=/usr/bin/evince-previewer [ 32.648542] type=1505 audit(1261176534.108:8): operation="profile_load" pid=467 name=/usr/bin/evince-thumbnailer [ 32.688800] type=1505 audit(1261176534.148:9): operation="profile_load" pid=469 name=/usr/lib/cups/backend/cups-pdf [ 32.689650] type=1505 audit(1261176534.148:10): operation="profile_load" pid=469 name=/usr/sbin/cupsd [ 32.704336] type=1505 audit(1261176534.164:11): operation="profile_load" pid=470 name=/usr/sbin/mysqld [ 34.073633] Adding 5719100k swap on /dev/sda8. Priority:-1 extents:1 across:5719100k [ 34.080600] usbfs: unrecognised mount option "none" or missing value [ 34.080605] usbfs: mount parameter error. [ 34.484439] EXT3 FS on sda7, internal journal [ 36.474116] udev: starting version 147 [ 43.734185] r8169: eth0: link up [ 43.734206] r8169: eth0: link up [ 49.350731] ip_tables: (C) 2000-2006 Netfilter Core Team [ 49.384075] cfg80211: Calling CRDA to update world regulatory domain [ 49.772083] Linux video capture interface: v2.00 [ 50.037638] uvcvideo: Found UVC 1.00 device HP Webcam-101 (064e:a102) [ 50.054035] input: HP Webcam-101 as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1a.7/usb1/1-5/1-5:1.0/input/input7 [ 50.054084] usbcore: registered new interface driver uvcvideo [ 50.054087] USB Video Class driver (v0.1.0) [ 52.272306] lp: driver loaded but no devices found [ 54.004015] eth0: no IPv6 routers present [ 55.199577] ath5k 0000:02:00.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 17 (level, low) -> IRQ 17 [ 55.199592] ath5k 0000:02:00.0: setting latency timer to 64 [ 55.199628] ath5k 0000:02:00.0: registered as 'phy0' [ 55.292935] ath: EEPROM regdomain: 0x64 [ 55.292938] ath: EEPROM indicates we should expect a direct regpair map [ 55.292942] ath: Country alpha2 being used: 00 [ 55.292943] ath: Regpair used: 0x64 [ 56.069825] Synaptics Touchpad, model: 1, fw: 7.0, id: 0x1a0b1, caps: 0xd04711/0xa00000 [ 56.130571] input: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad as /devices/platform/i8042/serio2/input/input8 [ 56.832723] phy0: Selected rate control algorithm 'minstrel' [ 56.833415] ath5k phy0: Atheros AR2425 chip found (MAC: 0xe2, PHY: 0x70) [ 57.001019] cfg80211: World regulatory domain updated: [ 57.001023] (start_freq - end_freq @ bandwidth), (max_antenna_gain, max_eirp) [ 57.001026] (2402000 KHz - 2472000 KHz @ 40000 KHz), (300 mBi, 2000 mBm) [ 57.001029] (2457000 KHz - 2482000 KHz @ 20000 KHz), (300 mBi, 2000 mBm) [ 57.001031] (2474000 KHz - 2494000 KHz @ 20000 KHz), (300 mBi, 2000 mBm) [ 57.001034] (5170000 KHz - 5250000 KHz @ 40000 KHz), (300 mBi, 2000 mBm) [ 57.001036] (5735000 KHz - 5835000 KHz @ 40000 KHz), (300 mBi, 2000 mBm) [ 60.940455] alloc irq_desc for 22 on node -1 [ 60.940459] alloc kstat_irqs on node -1 [ 60.940466] HDA Intel 0000:00:1b.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 22 (level, low) -> IRQ 22 [ 60.940519] HDA Intel 0000:00:1b.0: setting latency timer to 64 [ 61.682931] input: HDA Intel Mic as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1b.0/sound/card0/input9 [ 61.683016] input: HDA Intel Mic as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1b.0/sound/card0/input10 [ 61.683077] input: HDA Intel Headphone as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1b.0/sound/card0/input11 [ 88.340018] i2c-adapter i2c-2: unable to read EDID block. [ 88.340022] i915 0000:00:02.0: HDMI Type A-1: no EDID data [ 88.344707] i2c-adapter i2c-2: unable to read EDID block. [ 88.344709] i915 0000:00:02.0: HDMI Type A-1: no EDID data [ 88.390422] [drm] TV-20: set mode NTSC 480i 0 [ 88.530823] [drm] TV-20: set mode NTSC 480i 0 [ 88.980248] i2c-adapter i2c-2: unable to read EDID block. [ 88.980253] i915 0000:00:02.0: HDMI Type A-1: no EDID data [ 88.984930] i2c-adapter i2c-2: unable to read EDID block. [ 88.984933] i915 0000:00:02.0: HDMI Type A-1: no EDID data [ 89.030629] [drm] TV-20: set mode NTSC 480i 0 [ 89.171024] [drm] TV-20: set mode NTSC 480i 0 [ 108.549138] CPU0 attaching NULL sched-domain. [ 108.549145] CPU1 attaching NULL sched-domain. [ 108.560580] CPU0 attaching sched-domain: [ 108.560585] domain 0: span 0-1 level MC [ 108.560587] groups: 0 1 [ 108.560594] CPU1 attaching sched-domain: [ 108.560596] domain 0: span 0-1 level MC [ 108.560598] groups: 1 0 [ 112.446636] i2c-adapter i2c-2: unable to read EDID block. [ 112.446640] i915 0000:00:02.0: HDMI Type A-1: no EDID data [ 112.451158] i2c-adapter i2c-2: unable to read EDID block. [ 112.451161] i915 0000:00:02.0: HDMI Type A-1: no EDID data [ 112.496885] [drm] TV-20: set mode NTSC 480i 0 [ 112.636969] [drm] TV-20: set mode NTSC 480i 0 [ 112.882642] i2c-adapter i2c-2: unable to read EDID block. [ 112.882646] i915 0000:00:02.0: HDMI Type A-1: no EDID data [ 112.887436] i2c-adapter i2c-2: unable to read EDID block. [ 112.887439] i915 0000:00:02.0: HDMI Type A-1: no EDID data [ 112.933145] [drm] TV-20: set mode NTSC 480i 0 [ 113.073712] [drm] TV-20: set mode NTSC 480i 0 [ 113.318616] i2c-adapter i2c-2: unable to read EDID block. [ 113.318620] i915 0000:00:02.0: HDMI Type A-1: no EDID data [ 113.323299] i2c-adapter i2c-2: unable to read EDID block. [ 113.323302] i915 0000:00:02.0: HDMI Type A-1: no EDID data [ 113.369008] [drm] TV-20: set mode NTSC 480i 0 [ 113.509150] [drm] TV-20: set mode NTSC 480i 0 [ 167.146639] i2c-adapter i2c-2: unable to read EDID block. [ 167.146643] i915 0000:00:02.0: HDMI Type A-1: no EDID data [ 167.151181] i2c-adapter i2c-2: unable to read EDID block. [ 167.151185] i915 0000:00:02.0: HDMI Type A-1: no EDID data [ 167.196916] [drm] TV-20: set mode NTSC 480i 0 [ 167.337083] [drm] TV-20: set mode NTSC 480i 0 [ 167.577007] i2c-adapter i2c-2: unable to read EDID block. [ 167.577011] i915 0000:00:02.0: HDMI Type A-1: no EDID data [ 167.583073] i2c-adapter i2c-2: unable to read EDID block. [ 167.583076] i915 0000:00:02.0: HDMI Type A-1: no EDID data [ 167.628800] [drm] TV-20: set mode NTSC 480i 0 [ 167.769911] [drm] TV-20: set mode NTSC 480i 0 [ 168.003367] i2c-adapter i2c-2: unable to read EDID block. [ 168.003373] i915 0000:00:02.0: HDMI Type A-1: no EDID data [ 168.008159] i2c-adapter i2c-2: unable to read EDID block. [ 168.008162] i915 0000:00:02.0: HDMI Type A-1: no EDID data [ 168.053899] [drm] TV-20: set mode NTSC 480i 0 [ 168.194009] [drm] TV-20: set mode NTSC 480i 0 [ 184.158618] i2c-adapter i2c-2: unable to read EDID block. [ 184.158623] i915 0000:00:02.0: HDMI Type A-1: no EDID data [ 184.163412] i2c-adapter i2c-2: unable to read EDID block. [ 184.163415] i915 0000:00:02.0: HDMI Type A-1: no EDID data [ 184.209118] [drm] TV-20: set mode NTSC 480i 0 [ 184.349202] [drm] TV-20: set mode NTSC 480i 0 [ 308.028799] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready [ 1833.900458] r8169: eth0: link down [ 1839.038644] r8169: eth0: link up [ 1839.128091] r8169: eth0: link up [ 1839.364248] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready [ 1839.475857] r8169: eth0: link up [ 1840.126291] r8169: eth0: link down [ 1849.504026] eth0: no IPv6 routers present [ 2036.271170] r8169: eth0: link up