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From kristau at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 18:39:06 2009
From: kristau at gmail.com (kristau)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 18:39:06 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Windows Share Problem
In-Reply-To: 
References: 

Message-ID: <3effba680908061639r3f0bfd08j836d6edb075b16fa@mail.gmail.com>

I concur with Nate. Standard, out-of-the-box Windows share behavior
does not account for this. Your Windows admins are most likely doing
something funky with their shares.

On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Nathan C. Smith wrote:
> "Windows 2003 server marks the shared folder as disabled " ?huh? ?I've never experienced that behavior before. ?Is this a Windows cluster are they doing anything unusual? ?Is it using DFS - that can add some wierdness to the mix? ?When you mount this way using fstab do you have to put all the security information in the FSTAB entry?
>
> -Nate
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> ? ? ? ?From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Korver
> ? ? ? ?Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 1:49 PM
> ? ? ? ?To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
> ? ? ? ?Subject: [Cialug] Windows Share Problem
>
>
> ? ? ? ?Hi all,
> ? ? ? ?I have an interesting problem that deals with a Window share and a linux mount.
>
> ? ? ? ?We are exposing some folders on a Windows 2003 server and then have added an entry to mount them in the fstab on our SUSE server. ?The problem is that the Windows 2003 server marks the shared folder as disabled if there is no activity in the folder (this is strange, but it is what our Windows admin's are telling me). ?When this happens, the linux mount can no longer write to the folder and the only way to get the connection back is to reload fstab.
>
> ? ? ? ?So, my question to you guru's out there are:
> ? ? ? ?1) Is this really the right way to be doing this?
> ? ? ? ?2) If it is the right way to do it, any suggestions on fixing the mount breaking?
>
> ? ? ? ?Thanks,
> ? ? ? ?Aaron Korver
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>

-- 
Tired programmer
Coding late into the night
The core dump follows

From kristau at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 19:06:19 2009
From: kristau at gmail.com (kristau)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 19:06:19 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Rifftrax/MST3k Live event August 20th
Message-ID: <3effba680908061706s47923203i1390739814c4d7de@mail.gmail.com>

http://tinyurl.com/mx252a

RiffTrax LIVE: Plan 9 from Outer Space, an evening of LIVE riffing on
the Worst Movie Ever Made beaming into movie theaters nationwide on
Thursday, August 20th at 8PM ET/ 7PM CT/ 6PM MT/ Tape Delayed at 8PM
PT.

In Iowa, this is playing in the following theaters:

Cinemark  Movies 12                 Ames            IA 50010
Marcus    College Square 12 Theatre Cedar Falls     IA 50613
Kerasotes Star Cinema 17 with IMAX  Council Bluffs  IA 51501
Kerasotes Star Cinema 14            Dubuque         IA 52002
Marcus    Sycamore 12 Theatre       Iowa City       IA 52240
Cinemark  Jordan Creek 20           West Des Moines IA 50266

-- 
Tired programmer
Coding late into the night
The core dump follows

From kevin at linuxsmith.com  Thu Aug  6 19:08:34 2009
From: kevin at linuxsmith.com (Kevin C. Smith)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 19:08:34 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] DNS Hijacking
In-Reply-To: 
References: <4A79F3F2.1010000@dchamp.net>
	<4A79F837.2020306@internetsolver.com>	<5A95A730-2579-405F-84D8-E5DE9916C965@tcpconsulting.com>	<4A7A058F.6020400@iedu.com>	<4A79C0220200002E000368C5@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>		<4A7A1F3D.70704@linuxsmith.com>

Message-ID: <4A7B7082.3000402@linuxsmith.com>

Todd Walton wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 7:09 PM, Kevin C. Smith wrote:
>> Todd Walton wrote:
>>> OpenDNS does the same thing.
>> To be fair, OpenDNS is an opt-in thing.
> 
> I'm pretty sure I didn't opt in.  It's the default.

You opted in when you used voluntarily used it.

-- 
No keyboard detected. Press F1 to continue.

From kristau at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 19:11:04 2009
From: kristau at gmail.com (kristau)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 19:11:04 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] DNS Hijacking
In-Reply-To: <4A7B7082.3000402@linuxsmith.com>
References: <4A79F3F2.1010000@dchamp.net> <4A79F837.2020306@internetsolver.com>
	<5A95A730-2579-405F-84D8-E5DE9916C965@tcpconsulting.com>
	<4A7A058F.6020400@iedu.com>
	<4A79C0220200002E000368C5@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>

	<4A7A1F3D.70704@linuxsmith.com>

	<4A7B7082.3000402@linuxsmith.com>
Message-ID: <3effba680908061711t398e0d41secfc8d59bdf60bc8@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Kevin C. Smith wrote:
> Todd Walton wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 7:09 PM, Kevin C. Smith wrote:
>>> Todd Walton wrote:
>>>> OpenDNS does the same thing.
>>> To be fair, OpenDNS is an opt-in thing.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure I didn't opt in. ?It's the default.
>
> You opted in when you used voluntarily used it.

Or, if he (or someone else) didn't set OpenDNS manually perhaps his
ISP is using it as their default?

-- 
Tired programmer
Coding late into the night
The core dump follows

From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com  Thu Aug  6 20:50:05 2009
From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 20:50:05 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Rifftrax/MST3k Live event August 20th
In-Reply-To: <3effba680908061706s47923203i1390739814c4d7de@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3effba680908061706s47923203i1390739814c4d7de@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

Why, when I read worst movie ever, did I think of Ishtar and not Plan 9?  Maybe I was thinking color movies...

-Nate 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org 
> [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of kristau
> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 7:06 PM
> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
> Subject: [Cialug] OT: Rifftrax/MST3k Live event August 20th
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/mx252a
> 
> RiffTrax LIVE: Plan 9 from Outer Space, an evening of LIVE 
> riffing on the Worst Movie Ever Made beaming into movie 
> theaters nationwide on Thursday, August 20th at 8PM ET/ 7PM 
> CT/ 6PM MT/ Tape Delayed at 8PM PT.
> 
> In Iowa, this is playing in the following theaters:
> 
> Cinemark  Movies 12                 Ames            IA 50010
> Marcus    College Square 12 Theatre Cedar Falls     IA 50613
> Kerasotes Star Cinema 17 with IMAX  Council Bluffs  IA 51501
> Kerasotes Star Cinema 14            Dubuque         IA 52002
> Marcus    Sycamore 12 Theatre       Iowa City       IA 52240
> Cinemark  Jordan Creek 20           West Des Moines IA 50266
> 
> --
> Tired programmer
> Coding late into the night
> The core dump follows
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> 

From aaron.korver at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 22:53:03 2009
From: aaron.korver at gmail.com (Aaron Korver)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:53:03 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Windows Share Problem
In-Reply-To: <3effba680908061639r3f0bfd08j836d6edb075b16fa@mail.gmail.com>
References: 

	<3effba680908061639r3f0bfd08j836d6edb075b16fa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

Oh boy, that'll be fun to try explain to them.  Is using fstab an acceptable
way to connect to the windows share?

On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 6:39 PM, kristau  wrote:

> I concur with Nate. Standard, out-of-the-box Windows share behavior
> does not account for this. Your Windows admins are most likely doing
> something funky with their shares.
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Nathan C. Smith
> wrote:
> > "Windows 2003 server marks the shared folder as disabled "  huh?  I've
> never experienced that behavior before.  Is this a Windows cluster are they
> doing anything unusual?  Is it using DFS - that can add some wierdness to
> the mix?  When you mount this way using fstab do you have to put all the
> security information in the FSTAB entry?
> >
> > -Nate
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> >        From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org]
> On Behalf Of Aaron Korver
> >        Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 1:49 PM
> >        To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
> >        Subject: [Cialug] Windows Share Problem
> >
> >
> >        Hi all,
> >        I have an interesting problem that deals with a Window share and a
> linux mount.
> >
> >        We are exposing some folders on a Windows 2003 server and then
> have added an entry to mount them in the fstab on our SUSE server.  The
> problem is that the Windows 2003 server marks the shared folder as disabled
> if there is no activity in the folder (this is strange, but it is what our
> Windows admin's are telling me).  When this happens, the linux mount can no
> longer write to the folder and the only way to get the connection back is to
> reload fstab.
> >
> >        So, my question to you guru's out there are:
> >        1) Is this really the right way to be doing this?
> >        2) If it is the right way to do it, any suggestions on fixing the
> mount breaking?
> >
> >        Thanks,
> >        Aaron Korver
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cialug mailing list
> > Cialug at cialug.org
> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Tired programmer
> Coding late into the night
> The core dump follows
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
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From barry at vonahsen.com  Thu Aug  6 22:58:44 2009
From: barry at vonahsen.com (Barry Von Ahsen)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:58:44 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Windows Share Problem
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <4A7BA674.8000706@vonahsen.com>

Aaron Korver wrote:
> We are exposing some folders on a Windows 2003 server and then have added an
> entry to mount them in the fstab on our SUSE server.  The problem is that
> the Windows 2003 server marks the shared folder as disabled if there is no
> activity in the folder (this is strange, but it is what our Windows admin's
> are telling me).  When this happens, the linux mount can no longer write to
> the folder and the only way to get the connection back is to reload fstab.

when I was troubleshooting a flaky windows share, many sources suggested 
using autofs

http://wiki.autofs.net/

sorry, I don't recall if it worked or not :(

-barry

From chapinjeff at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 22:59:26 2009
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:59:26 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Windows Share Problem
In-Reply-To: 
References: 		<3effba680908061639r3f0bfd08j836d6edb075b16fa@mail.gmail.com>

Message-ID: <4A7BA69E.7030807@gmail.com>

That is not only acceptable, but the most appropriate. I have been using
it for years now, in various environments (including against DFS, or so
the Windows guys tell me) and never once had that sort of problem.

A work around to the broken windows share would be "while true; do touch
foo; sleep 60; done" (or even cron something similar...)  Not pretty,
but it won't let the share fall into disuse. It's definitely a
band-aid,  but you should not have to spend your time debugging a broken
windows share...

Jeff

Aaron Korver wrote:
> Oh boy, that'll be fun to try explain to them.  Is using fstab an
> acceptable way to connect to the windows share?
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 6:39 PM, kristau  > wrote:
>
>     I concur with Nate. Standard, out-of-the-box Windows share behavior
>     does not account for this. Your Windows admins are most likely doing
>     something funky with their shares.
>
>     On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Nathan C.
>     Smith> wrote:
>     > "Windows 2003 server marks the shared folder as disabled "  huh?
>      I've never experienced that behavior before.  Is this a Windows
>     cluster are they doing anything unusual?  Is it using DFS - that
>     can add some wierdness to the mix?  When you mount this way using
>     fstab do you have to put all the security information in the FSTAB
>     entry?
>     >
>     > -Nate
>     >
>     >
>     > ________________________________
>     >
>     >        From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org
>     
>     [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org
>     ] On Behalf Of Aaron Korver
>     >        Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 1:49 PM
>     >        To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
>     >        Subject: [Cialug] Windows Share Problem
>     >
>     >
>     >        Hi all,
>     >        I have an interesting problem that deals with a Window
>     share and a linux mount.
>     >
>     >        We are exposing some folders on a Windows 2003 server and
>     then have added an entry to mount them in the fstab on our SUSE
>     server.  The problem is that the Windows 2003 server marks the
>     shared folder as disabled if there is no activity in the folder
>     (this is strange, but it is what our Windows admin's are telling
>     me).  When this happens, the linux mount can no longer write to
>     the folder and the only way to get the connection back is to
>     reload fstab.
>     >
>     >        So, my question to you guru's out there are:
>     >        1) Is this really the right way to be doing this?
>     >        2) If it is the right way to do it, any suggestions on
>     fixing the mount breaking?
>     >
>     >        Thanks,
>     >        Aaron Korver
>     >
>     >
>     > _______________________________________________
>     > Cialug mailing list
>     > Cialug at cialug.org 
>     > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>     >
>
>
>
>     --
>     Tired programmer
>     Coding late into the night
>     The core dump follows
>     _______________________________________________
>     Cialug mailing list
>     Cialug at cialug.org 
>     http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>   

From kristau at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 06:16:49 2009
From: kristau at gmail.com (kristau)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 06:16:49 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Windows Share Problem
In-Reply-To: <4A7BA69E.7030807@gmail.com>
References: 

	<3effba680908061639r3f0bfd08j836d6edb075b16fa@mail.gmail.com>

	<4A7BA69E.7030807@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3effba680908070416hc9c5ed5g32eb86b642ac0dd@mail.gmail.com>

Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which can be
adequately explained by stupidity."

Not that I'm calling your Windows Admins stupid. Perhaps they are
trying to look smart when they feel stupid? I'll bet they are having
issues with their shares, but they don't want to appear stupid to the
"Linux Guy."

-- 
Tired programmer
Coding late into the night
The core dump follows

From djweis at internetsolver.com  Fri Aug  7 15:07:33 2009
From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:07:33 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Cialug] Customer Swag
Message-ID: 

This seemed like a pretty good way to contact a lot of our customers 
quickly :-)

If you are an Internet Solver customer and will be at the meeting on the 
19th email me your shirt size offline and I'll bring you a memento that 
will show the world how intelligent you are.

If you can't make it to the meeting swing by the office and grab it 
otherwise.

dave

-- 
Dave Weis
djweis at internetsolver.com
http://www.internetsolver.com/

From lathrop at prestonfam.org  Fri Aug  7 15:15:48 2009
From: lathrop at prestonfam.org (Lathrop Preston)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:15:48 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Customer Swag
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <276cbfb0908071315s6e1d5a71leb22460474225cf3@mail.gmail.com>

which office?

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Dave Weis  wrote:

>
> This seemed like a pretty good way to contact a lot of our customers
> quickly :-)
>
> If you are an Internet Solver customer and will be at the meeting on the
> 19th email me your shirt size offline and I'll bring you a memento that
> will show the world how intelligent you are.
>
> If you can't make it to the meeting swing by the office and grab it
> otherwise.
>
> dave
>
> --
> Dave Weis
> djweis at internetsolver.com
> http://www.internetsolver.com/
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>

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From djweis at internetsolver.com  Fri Aug  7 15:17:35 2009
From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:17:35 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Customer Swag
In-Reply-To: <276cbfb0908071315s6e1d5a71leb22460474225cf3@mail.gmail.com>
References: 
	<276cbfb0908071315s6e1d5a71leb22460474225cf3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A7C8BDF.8000502@internetsolver.com>

Sorry, good question.

11308 Aurora Ave, Urbandale

dave

Lathrop Preston wrote:
> which office?
> 
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Dave Weis  > wrote:
> 
> 
>     This seemed like a pretty good way to contact a lot of our customers
>     quickly :-)
> 
>     If you are an Internet Solver customer and will be at the meeting on the
>     19th email me your shirt size offline and I'll bring you a memento that
>     will show the world how intelligent you are.
> 
>     If you can't make it to the meeting swing by the office and grab it
>     otherwise.
> 
>     dave
> 
>     --
>     Dave Weis
>     djweis at internetsolver.com 
>     http://www.internetsolver.com/
> 
>     _______________________________________________
>     Cialug mailing list
>     Cialug at cialug.org 
>     http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> =====================================
> Lathrop Preston
> 
> Sent from Des Moines, Iowa, United States
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug

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From tim_linux at wilson-home.com  Fri Aug  7 15:57:40 2009
From: tim_linux at wilson-home.com (Tim Wilson)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:57:40 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Customer Swag
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <5a9568c20908071357ke1271f1o5e8f56c1d076fa3@mail.gmail.com>

How about a free upgrade instead? :)

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Dave Weis  wrote:

>
> This seemed like a pretty good way to contact a lot of our customers
> quickly :-)
>
> If you are an Internet Solver customer and will be at the meeting on the
> 19th email me your shirt size offline and I'll bring you a memento that
> will show the world how intelligent you are.
>
> If you can't make it to the meeting swing by the office and grab it
> otherwise.
>
> dave
>
> --
> Dave Weis
> djweis at internetsolver.com
> http://www.internetsolver.com/
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>

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From John.Lengeling at radisys.com  Fri Aug  7 15:58:52 2009
From: John.Lengeling at radisys.com (John Lengeling)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 13:58:52 -0700
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Who was the list member who purchased some Tektronix
	equipment from my company?
In-Reply-To: <4A7C8BDF.8000502@internetsolver.com>
References: <276cbfb0908071315s6e1d5a71leb22460474225cf3@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A7C8BDF.8000502@internetsolver.com>
Message-ID: 

I can't find your contact info...

I have some more Tek equipment and I found some more probes.

johnl

From tdwalton at gmail.com  Mon Aug 10 22:44:24 2009
From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:44:24 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Books! Books!
Message-ID: 

I have a bunch of books free for the taking.  This list is here:

http://hardboot.org/booklist/

You may cherry pick what you please.  I will hand them off at lunch
for those of you who work downtown, or we can arrange a time for you
to come pick them up, or I can mail them if you PayPal me shipping
costs (about $4 a book).

I would love to have you claim them, one way or the other!

--
Todd

From jim.asbille at gmail.com  Tue Aug 11 08:29:58 2009
From: jim.asbille at gmail.com (Jim Asbille)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 08:29:58 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Instructor wanted at ITT
Message-ID: <60fcb45d0908110629o6d7fbf4drd165944fd1262e2e@mail.gmail.com>

ITT Tech is looking for instructors for their Linux and Cisco classes.
 Candidates will need at least a BS and certification in the area or a
Master of Science and can show course work in the area.

I got this from an James Allen, an instructor at ITT Tech, so if your
interested email me directly and I will get you in touch with James.

-- 
Jim Asbille, MSM
registered Linux user number 388067

"Failure is not an option.  It's a standard feature of Windows and is
bundled into the Operating System for your convenience, at no
additional charge."

From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com  Wed Aug 12 10:27:44 2009
From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:27:44 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] DHCP question - Vendor info.
Message-ID: 

It is my understanding that when a system initiates a DHCP request it sends along a special code for vendor information.  In dhcpd, with use of a special conditional statement, you are supposed to be able to assign addresses based on this vendor specific information.

So my question is, short of actually sniffing the wire, is there a way to get the vendor-code that is sent?  Could it be located in a log file somewhere?  I don't see it in my DHCP logs but maybe I need to enable more detail?  I've also searched Google and found codes for some hardware and different versions of Windows.

My issue is this: I use DHCPD to assign static IP addresses based on all my known MAC addresses.  Any new addresses go into a special range.  Between this special range and arpwatch I can see new devices and unwelcome visitors on my network.  Since the VPN creates a special MAC address for each connection the addresses always go into the special range and create an arpwatch alert.  I'd like to be able to use the vendor info to place vpn users into a trusted range and really lock down the untrusted or visitor range.

If anyone can shed more light on the vendor info field in a DHCP request I would really appreciate it.  Thanks.

-Nate

From morej at alliancetechnologies.net  Wed Aug 12 11:46:43 2009
From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:46:43 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] DHCP question - Vendor info.
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <4A82ABA30200002E00036C22@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>

The vendor code is the first three bytes of the MAC address.

-Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC 
 morej at alliancetechnologies.net 
 515-245-7701

>>> "Nathan C. Smith"  8/12/2009 10:27 AM >>> 

It is my understanding that when a system initiates a DHCP request it
sends along a special code for vendor information.  In dhcpd, with use
of a special conditional statement, you are supposed to be able to
assign addresses based on this vendor specific information.

So my question is, short of actually sniffing the wire, is there a way
to get the vendor-code that is sent?  Could it be located in a log file
somewhere?  I don't see it in my DHCP logs but maybe I need to enable
more detail?  I've also searched Google and found codes for some
hardware and different versions of Windows.

My issue is this: I use DHCPD to assign static IP addresses based on
all my known MAC addresses.  Any new addresses go into a special range. 
Between this special range and arpwatch I can see new devices and
unwelcome visitors on my network.  Since the VPN creates a special MAC
address for each connection the addresses always go into the special
range and create an arpwatch alert.  I'd like to be able to use the
vendor info to place vpn users into a trusted range and really lock down
the untrusted or visitor range.

If anyone can shed more light on the vendor info field in a DHCP
request I would really appreciate it.  Thanks.

-Nate
_______________________________________________
Cialug mailing list
Cialug at cialug.org
http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug

From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com  Wed Aug 12 11:48:26 2009
From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:48:26 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] DHCP question - Vendor info.
In-Reply-To: <4A82ABA30200002E00036C22@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
References: 
	<4A82ABA30200002E00036C22@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
Message-ID: 

Really?  So I was reading way too much into it? like it was sending a little more information somewhere else in the request.

-Nate 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org 
> [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Josh More
> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:47 AM
> To: 'Central Iowa Linux Users Group'
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] DHCP question - Vendor info.
> 
> The vendor code is the first three bytes of the MAC address.
> 
>  
>  
> 
> -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC
>  morej at alliancetechnologies.net
>  515-245-7701
> 
> 
> 
> >>> "Nathan C. Smith"  8/12/2009 10:27 AM >>>
> 
> It is my understanding that when a system initiates a DHCP 
> request it sends along a special code for vendor information. 
>  In dhcpd, with use of a special conditional statement, you 
> are supposed to be able to assign addresses based on this 
> vendor specific information.
> 
> So my question is, short of actually sniffing the wire, is 
> there a way to get the vendor-code that is sent?  Could it be 
> located in a log file somewhere?  I don't see it in my DHCP 
> logs but maybe I need to enable more detail?  I've also 
> searched Google and found codes for some hardware and 
> different versions of Windows.
> 
> My issue is this: I use DHCPD to assign static IP addresses 
> based on all my known MAC addresses.  Any new addresses go 
> into a special range. 
> Between this special range and arpwatch I can see new devices 
> and unwelcome visitors on my network.  Since the VPN creates 
> a special MAC address for each connection the addresses 
> always go into the special range and create an arpwatch 
> alert.  I'd like to be able to use the vendor info to place 
> vpn users into a trusted range and really lock down the 
> untrusted or visitor range.
> 
> If anyone can shed more light on the vendor info field in a 
> DHCP request I would really appreciate it.  Thanks.
> 
> -Nate
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> 

From morej at alliancetechnologies.net  Wed Aug 12 11:51:55 2009
From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:51:55 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] DHCP question - Vendor info.
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	<4A82ABA30200002E00036C22@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>

Message-ID: <4A82ACDB0200002E00036C26@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>

I'm not an expert, but the few times I've needed to do vendor
identification on a network, I just use the first three bytes and that
gets the job done.

I don't think it's any more complex than that.

-Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC 
 morej at alliancetechnologies.net 
 515-245-7701

>>> "Nathan C. Smith"  8/12/2009 11:48 AM >>> 
Really?  So I was reading way too much into it? like it was sending a
little more information somewhere else in the request.

-Nate 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org 
> [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Josh More
> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:47 AM
> To: 'Central Iowa Linux Users Group'
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] DHCP question - Vendor info.
> 
> The vendor code is the first three bytes of the MAC address.
> 
>  
>  
> 
> -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC
>  morej at alliancetechnologies.net
>  515-245-7701
> 
> 
> 
> >>> "Nathan C. Smith"  8/12/2009 10:27 AM
>>>
> 
> It is my understanding that when a system initiates a DHCP 
> request it sends along a special code for vendor information. 
>  In dhcpd, with use of a special conditional statement, you 
> are supposed to be able to assign addresses based on this 
> vendor specific information.
> 
> So my question is, short of actually sniffing the wire, is 
> there a way to get the vendor-code that is sent?  Could it be 
> located in a log file somewhere?  I don't see it in my DHCP 
> logs but maybe I need to enable more detail?  I've also 
> searched Google and found codes for some hardware and 
> different versions of Windows.
> 
> My issue is this: I use DHCPD to assign static IP addresses 
> based on all my known MAC addresses.  Any new addresses go 
> into a special range. 
> Between this special range and arpwatch I can see new devices 
> and unwelcome visitors on my network.  Since the VPN creates 
> a special MAC address for each connection the addresses 
> always go into the special range and create an arpwatch 
> alert.  I'd like to be able to use the vendor info to place 
> vpn users into a trusted range and really lock down the 
> untrusted or visitor range.
> 
> If anyone can shed more light on the vendor info field in a 
> DHCP request I would really appreciate it.  Thanks.
> 
> -Nate
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> 
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From John.Lengeling at radisys.com  Wed Aug 12 12:02:24 2009
From: John.Lengeling at radisys.com (John Lengeling)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:02:24 -0700
Subject: [Cialug] DHCP question - Vendor info.
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From atporter at gmail.com  Wed Aug 12 12:02:53 2009
From: atporter at gmail.com (Aaron Porter)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:02:53 -0700
Subject: [Cialug] DHCP question - Vendor info.
In-Reply-To: <4A82ACDB0200002E00036C26@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
References: 
	<4A82ABA30200002E00036C22@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>

	<4A82ACDB0200002E00036C26@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <667aab920908121002p7b332426i9deabd4cdebcfa6@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Josh
More wrote:
> I'm not an expert, but the few times I've needed to do vendor
> identification on a network, I just use the first three bytes and that
> gets the job done.
>
> I don't think it's any more complex than that.

It's oh SO MUCH MORE complicated than that, naturally. Josh is talking
about an Ethernet OUI (look up service here
http://standards.ieee.org/regauth/oui/index.shtml ). That'll tell you
who manufactured the computer or ethernet card sending the request,
and can be quite useful. The DHCP protocol has all sorts of knobs that
can be set by the requesting client, a quick `man 5 dhcp-options` will
lead you down that rabbit warren, including such strings as:

vendor-class-identifier
vendor-encapsulated-options

From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com  Wed Aug 12 12:06:01 2009
From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:06:01 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] DHCP question - Vendor info.
In-Reply-To: <667aab920908121002p7b332426i9deabd4cdebcfa6@mail.gmail.com>
References: 
	<4A82ABA30200002E00036C22@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>

	<4A82ACDB0200002E00036C26@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
	<667aab920908121002p7b332426i9deabd4cdebcfa6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

This 'vendor-class-identifier' may be the animal I am looking for.  Is there a way to find out what a certain product pushes out?

-Nate

> -----Original Message-----
> From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org 
> [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Porter
> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:03 PM
> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] DHCP question - Vendor info.
> 
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Josh
> More wrote:
> > I'm not an expert, but the few times I've needed to do vendor 
> > identification on a network, I just use the first three 
> bytes and that 
> > gets the job done.
> >
> > I don't think it's any more complex than that.
> 
> It's oh SO MUCH MORE complicated than that, naturally. Josh 
> is talking about an Ethernet OUI (look up service here 
> http://standards.ieee.org/regauth/oui/index.shtml ). That'll 
> tell you who manufactured the computer or ethernet card 
> sending the request, and can be quite useful. The DHCP 
> protocol has all sorts of knobs that can be set by the 
> requesting client, a quick `man 5 dhcp-options` will lead you 
> down that rabbit warren, including such strings as:
> 
> vendor-class-identifier
> vendor-encapsulated-options
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> 

From atporter at gmail.com  Wed Aug 12 12:20:20 2009
From: atporter at gmail.com (Aaron Porter)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:20:20 -0700
Subject: [Cialug] DHCP question - Vendor info.
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	<4A82ABA30200002E00036C22@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>

	<4A82ACDB0200002E00036C26@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
	<667aab920908121002p7b332426i9deabd4cdebcfa6@mail.gmail.com>

Message-ID: <667aab920908121020t1a55ee30y7a29d1907866941e@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Nathan C. Smith wrote:
> This 'vendor-class-identifier' may be the animal I am looking for. ?Is there a way to find out what a certain product pushes out?

I've never had to look (always had vendor docs that provided it)...
Wireshark? It doesn't seem to be logged even in debug mode... Sounds
like a good question for the dhcp-users list:
https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcp-users

From mrdovey at iedu.com  Wed Aug 12 12:49:38 2009
From: mrdovey at iedu.com (Morris Dovey)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:49:38 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] DHCP question - Vendor info.
In-Reply-To: <4A82ABA30200002E00036C22@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
References: 
	<4A82ABA30200002E00036C22@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <4A8300B2.1050901@iedu.com>

Josh More wrote:
> The vendor code is the first three bytes of the MAC address.

AIUI, that's true only if the first two bits (I/G and U/L) are both 
zero. When I/G is set to one, then the address is a multicast address. 
If the U/L bit is set to 1, then the address is locally administered.

If those two bits are zeros, then the remainder of the first three bytes 
are the OUI, which identifies the manufacturer.

-- 
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

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From dave at dchamp.net  Wed Aug 12 16:08:35 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:08:35 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Heatsinks Needed
Message-ID: <4A832F53.90909@dchamp.net>

Request from my friend Dusty, I thought this crowd may have a few parts 
around you want to get rid of.

"I've ordered the parts for building my first prototype amplifier. I'm 
trying to keep costs down as much as possible by re-using stuff where I 
can. One thing I'm going to need is decent heatsinks for the amplifier 
ICs. So, all you PC packrat dudes, have any old CPU heatsinks laying 
around you're not using? Basic aluminum dealies."

If you have such parts you want to get rid of, please email: "tresch 
(at) tresch (dot) tv" off list. He lives in Des Moines, and could 
probably pick up parts anywhere in the metro area.

Thanks

-dc

From tdwalton at gmail.com  Wed Aug 12 16:44:11 2009
From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:44:11 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Webmaster Needed
Message-ID: 

The local chapter of the HDI is looking for a webmaster.

--
Todd

From thiessenstuart at aol.com  Wed Aug 12 17:29:03 2009
From: thiessenstuart at aol.com (Stuart Thiessen)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:29:03 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT - Python Question
Message-ID: <1F133045-B5A5-40F2-8DBA-F535943A87B3@aol.com>

I have a Python question that is bugging me and I've tried to google  
for a solution, but not having much success. Rather than bothering  
everyone with all the details, if you do python programming and you  
think you could let me "pick your brain" for some ideas on how to  
solve it, I'd appreciate it. In short, it has to do with a RTF file  
that my python app is creating based on exported data from another  
application. It keeps replacing quotes with  ???. I've seen what to do  
for html files, but not for this specific situation.

Thanks,

Stuart=

From tdwalton at gmail.com  Wed Aug 12 19:22:27 2009
From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:22:27 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT: Heatsinks Needed
In-Reply-To: <4A832F53.90909@dchamp.net>
References: <4A832F53.90909@dchamp.net>
Message-ID: 

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:08 PM, David Champion wrote:
> "I've ordered the parts for building my first prototype amplifier. I'm
> trying to keep costs down as much as possible by re-using stuff where I
> can. One thing I'm going to need is decent heatsinks for the amplifier
> ICs. So, all you PC packrat dudes, have any old CPU heatsinks laying
> around you're not using? Basic aluminum dealies."

I'm a PC part packrat.  But the funny thing is, of all the crap I keep
I usually chuck heat sinks.  They're just kind of odd shaped and
clunky and I'd rather buy a new one when I do my biennial new computer
build.

--
Todd

From djweis at internetsolver.com  Wed Aug 12 19:56:56 2009
From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:56:56 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Cialug] Webmaster Needed
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

Do they want a full time person, a contractor, a volunteer, ?

On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Todd Walton wrote:

> The local chapter of the HDI is looking for a webmaster.
>
> --
> Todd
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>

-- 
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djweis at internetsolver.com
http://www.internetsolver.com/

From tdwalton at gmail.com  Wed Aug 12 20:54:37 2009
From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 20:54:37 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Webmaster Needed
In-Reply-To: 
References: 

Message-ID: 

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Dave Weis wrote:
> Do they want a full time person, a contractor, a volunteer, ?

I suspect volunteer.  Good question.

--
Todd

From newz at bearfruit.org  Wed Aug 12 21:17:00 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:17:00 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT - Python Question
In-Reply-To: <1F133045-B5A5-40F2-8DBA-F535943A87B3@aol.com>
References: <1F133045-B5A5-40F2-8DBA-F535943A87B3@aol.com>
Message-ID: 

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Stuart Thiessen wrote:
> I have a Python question that is bugging me and I've tried to google
> for a solution, but not having much success. Rather than bothering
> everyone with all the details, if you do python programming and you
> think you could let me "pick your brain" for some ideas on how to
> solve it, I'd appreciate it. In short, it has to do with a RTF file
> that my python app is creating based on exported data from another
> application. It keeps replacing quotes with ????. I've seen what to do
> for html files, but not for this specific situation.

Ah, go ahead and post details to the list if you can. It's not such a
high traffic list that a few more emails will annoy anyone.

I suspect your problem is character encoding related but I'm not sure
and I've never worked with RTF before. However I've seen something
just like this happen when converting between CP1252 and the more
standard UTF or ISO8859-1 charsets.

If that is the case Python has a wonderful solution called
BeautifulSoup which can do a lot of automagical charset conversion
with the UnicodeDammit class.
http://www.crummy.com/software/BeautifulSoup/documentation.html

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter

From thiessenstuart at aol.com  Thu Aug 13 09:17:29 2009
From: thiessenstuart at aol.com (Stuart Thiessen)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:17:29 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT - Python Question
In-Reply-To: 
References: <1F133045-B5A5-40F2-8DBA-F535943A87B3@aol.com>

Message-ID: <69B217BC-34DF-491E-812D-AFCB32926EEA@aol.com>

Worked on it last night and finally figured out a solution. Your  
comment plus several comments from others focused on the encoding  
issue, so I did a hex dump of the export file and found out what the  
codes were and then used a replace (data.replace('\u____', u'\x__') to  
switch for the equivalent in the lower ASCII set. That did the trick  
to avoid any of the strange symbols. For some strange reason, RTF was  
not reading the Unicode curly quotes, etc. So, it was just simpler to  
replace them all with normal quotes, etc.

I did try pyrtf (an unmaintained RTF solution for Python) but it kept  
crashing Word or OpenOffice. So I just downloaded the spec for RTF and  
then took one of our files, converted it to RTF and tried to find the  
codes that I needed for this specific implementation. Not as flexible,  
but it works for the purpose it was needed for ... for now. :)

Thanks!

Stuart

On Aug 12, 2009, at 21:17 , Matthew Nuzum wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Stuart Thiessen > wrote:
>> I have a Python question that is bugging me and I've tried to google
>> for a solution, but not having much success. Rather than bothering
>> everyone with all the details, if you do python programming and you
>> think you could let me "pick your brain" for some ideas on how to
>> solve it, I'd appreciate it. In short, it has to do with a RTF file
>> that my python app is creating based on exported data from another
>> application. It keeps replacing quotes with  ???. I've seen what to  
>> do
>> for html files, but not for this specific situation.
>
> Ah, go ahead and post details to the list if you can. It's not such a
> high traffic list that a few more emails will annoy anyone.
>
> I suspect your problem is character encoding related but I'm not sure
> and I've never worked with RTF before. However I've seen something
> just like this happen when converting between CP1252 and the more
> standard UTF or ISO8859-1 charsets.
>
> If that is the case Python has a wonderful solution called
> BeautifulSoup which can do a lot of automagical charset conversion
> with the UnicodeDammit class.
> http://www.crummy.com/software/BeautifulSoup/documentation.html
>
> -- 
> Matthew Nuzum
> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug

From newz at bearfruit.org  Thu Aug 13 09:30:38 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:30:38 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT - Python Question
In-Reply-To: <69B217BC-34DF-491E-812D-AFCB32926EEA@aol.com>
References: <1F133045-B5A5-40F2-8DBA-F535943A87B3@aol.com>

	<69B217BC-34DF-491E-812D-AFCB32926EEA@aol.com>
Message-ID: 

On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Stuart Thiessen wrote:
> Worked on it last night and finally figured out a solution. Your
> comment plus several comments from others focused on the encoding
> issue, so I did a hex dump of the export file and found out what the
> codes were and then used a replace (data.replace('\u____', u'\x__') to
> switch for the equivalent in the lower ASCII set. That did the trick
> to avoid any of the strange symbols. For some strange reason, RTF was
> not reading the Unicode curly quotes, etc. So, it was just simpler to
> replace them all with normal quotes, etc.
>

Well, now that it's too late, I found this which is probably just what
you needed. I'm pretty sure your problem was cp1252 related. There are
a few other chars that you run into that cause probs though the smart
quotes are the most common offenders.

http://effbot.org/zone/unicode-gremlins.htm

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter

From thiessenstuart at aol.com  Thu Aug 13 10:15:09 2009
From: thiessenstuart at aol.com (Stuart Thiessen)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:15:09 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT - Python Question
In-Reply-To: 
References: <1F133045-B5A5-40F2-8DBA-F535943A87B3@aol.com>

	<69B217BC-34DF-491E-812D-AFCB32926EEA@aol.com>

Message-ID: <799418A9-1D0E-4EFC-BC07-39C9CCBF8084@aol.com>

Thanks! This is still helpful! :)

Stuart

On Aug 13, 2009, at 09:30 , Matthew Nuzum wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Stuart Thiessen > wrote:
>> Worked on it last night and finally figured out a solution. Your
>> comment plus several comments from others focused on the encoding
>> issue, so I did a hex dump of the export file and found out what the
>> codes were and then used a replace (data.replace('\u____', u'\x__')  
>> to
>> switch for the equivalent in the lower ASCII set. That did the trick
>> to avoid any of the strange symbols. For some strange reason, RTF was
>> not reading the Unicode curly quotes, etc. So, it was just simpler to
>> replace them all with normal quotes, etc.
>>
>
> Well, now that it's too late, I found this which is probably just what
> you needed. I'm pretty sure your problem was cp1252 related. There are
> a few other chars that you run into that cause probs though the smart
> quotes are the most common offenders.
>
> http://effbot.org/zone/unicode-gremlins.htm
>
>
>
> -- 
> Matthew Nuzum
> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug

From rob at dotcomservices.com  Sun Aug 16 14:24:46 2009
From: rob at dotcomservices.com (Rob Miller)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:24:46 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Noob needs help.
Message-ID: <1a1c07bd0908161224n62c91c13i3cf26620ea9d5021@mail.gmail.com>

We switched from Qwest to Mediacom and the technician hooked up one of our
computers to access the Internet.  However, none of the other computers on
our home network can find the Internet.  I've tried what I know to do and I
get a message that the other computers cannot renew the IP address.  Should
I turn off all the computers, then the two hubs, then the Mediacom modem and
then turn them back on?  Mediacom first then hubs then computers?  Thanks.
Rob
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From lathrop at prestonfam.org  Sun Aug 16 15:10:50 2009
From: lathrop at prestonfam.org (Lathrop Preston)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:10:50 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Noob needs help.
In-Reply-To: <1a1c07bd0908161224n62c91c13i3cf26620ea9d5021@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1a1c07bd0908161224n62c91c13i3cf26620ea9d5021@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <276cbfb0908161310w3f910d9cid00748b92885971d@mail.gmail.com>

So based on what I see here your network is as follows...

MediaCom-Router  -> Hubs -> Computers...

if so than the problem is probably in the hubs. the MediaCom router normally
will only speak to 1 computer (or routeable device)...

Unless I am mistaken,
you will need to get a firewall router or other router of some sort... have
that connected to the MediaCom device and then the computers will get their
IP addresses from it... technically MC only provides for a single computer
per household.

But I could be wrong

On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Rob Miller  wrote:

> We switched from Qwest to Mediacom and the technician hooked up one of our
> computers to access the Internet.  However, none of the other computers on
> our home network can find the Internet.  I've tried what I know to do and I
> get a message that the other computers cannot renew the IP address.  Should
> I turn off all the computers, then the two hubs, then the Mediacom modem and
> then turn them back on?  Mediacom first then hubs then computers?  Thanks.
> Rob
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
>

-- 
=====================================
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From tdwalton at gmail.com  Sun Aug 16 15:12:14 2009
From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:12:14 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Noob needs help.
In-Reply-To: <1a1c07bd0908161224n62c91c13i3cf26620ea9d5021@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1a1c07bd0908161224n62c91c13i3cf26620ea9d5021@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Rob Miller wrote:
> We switched from Qwest to Mediacom and the technician hooked up one of our
> computers to access the Internet.? However, none of the other computers on
> our home network can find the Internet.? I've tried what I know to do and I
> get a message that the other computers cannot renew the IP address.? Should
> I turn off all the computers, then the two hubs, then the Mediacom modem and
> then turn them back on?? Mediacom first then hubs then computers?? Thanks.

You probably don't have to turn off the computers.  Just focus on the
modem and the hub.  Generally, it's a good idea to start closer to the
source.  So turn everything off.  Then plug the modem back in and wait
for it to stabilize.  Then plug in the hub's power again.

I've always found hubs kind of hard to understand.  You'd probably be
better off with a switch or a router.

--
Todd

From jerry at heiselman.com  Sun Aug 16 15:12:35 2009
From: jerry at heiselman.com (Jerry Heiselman)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:12:35 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Noob needs help.
In-Reply-To: <1a1c07bd0908161224n62c91c13i3cf26620ea9d5021@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1a1c07bd0908161224n62c91c13i3cf26620ea9d5021@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45a88bbd0908161312t9a63apb532bdf4f93a1849@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Rob Miller  wrote:

> We switched from Qwest to Mediacom and the technician hooked up one of our
> computers to access the Internet.  However, none of the other computers on
> our home network can find the Internet.  I've tried what I know to do and I
> get a message that the other computers cannot renew the IP address.  Should
> I turn off all the computers, then the two hubs, then the Mediacom modem and
> then turn them back on?  Mediacom first then hubs then computers?  Thanks.
> Rob
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
>
By default, Mediacom only allows one computer online.  You have to lease
additional IP addresses for each extra computer you would like to get
online.  Your other option would be to go buy a home router and have it
attached to the modem.  Then, each computer gets an IP from the router and
proxies their connections through it.  The one drawback with this method is
that if you play games or do anything that typically requires a direct
connection, then it takes a bit of work to get it setup.

--
Jerry
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From newz at bearfruit.org  Sun Aug 16 15:31:11 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:31:11 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] extra servers
Message-ID: 

Hello, for a few years I've been helping my friend manage his servers
colocated in Miami (he gives me free rackspace for helping ;-). We've
had some reliability problems with that datacenter and are moving the
servers to Iowa so that I can have more hands on access.

He has a good bit more server capacity than he needs. In order to
offset the costs of bandwidth we'd like to rent out a few (3-4) of the
servers and I just wondered if anyone here is interested in picking up
one or would be willing to spread the word around.

$175 /mo * (flexible, see below)
64bit Dual Xeon or Dual Core Xeon at aprox 3.0GHz
4G of RAM
Dual 250GB RAID 1 drives (brand new drives will be installed in IA)

Prices are flexible based on bandwidth usage, so if you just need an
additional server running a lightly used service that price can come
down.

Email me at newz at bearfruit.org if you're interested.

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter

From robarooney at gmail.com  Sun Aug 16 17:40:38 2009
From: robarooney at gmail.com (Rob Miller)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 17:40:38 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Noob needs help.
In-Reply-To: <276cbfb0908161310w3f910d9cid00748b92885971d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1a1c07bd0908161224n62c91c13i3cf26620ea9d5021@mail.gmail.com>
	<276cbfb0908161310w3f910d9cid00748b92885971d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1a1c07bd0908161540j3a7e4dc5k38e0b310f304be4e@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Preston.  You are right.  I've been on the phone with Mediacom tech
support and I got the whole story about buying more IP addresses or getting
a router instead of a hub, etc.  I'm ready to dig into my "junk room" to
look for my Motorola Surfboard modem from a couple of years ago.  Rob

On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Lathrop Preston wrote:

> So based on what I see here your network is as follows...
>
> MediaCom-Router  -> Hubs -> Computers...
>
> if so than the problem is probably in the hubs. the MediaCom router
> normally will only speak to 1 computer (or routeable device)...
>
> Unless I am mistaken,
> you will need to get a firewall router or other router of some sort... have
> that connected to the MediaCom device and then the computers will get their
> IP addresses from it... technically MC only provides for a single computer
> per household.
>
> But I could be wrong
>
> On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Rob Miller wrote:
>
>> We switched from Qwest to Mediacom and the technician hooked up one of our
>> computers to access the Internet.  However, none of the other computers on
>> our home network can find the Internet.  I've tried what I know to do and I
>> get a message that the other computers cannot renew the IP address.  Should
>> I turn off all the computers, then the two hubs, then the Mediacom modem and
>> then turn them back on?  Mediacom first then hubs then computers?  Thanks.
>> Rob
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cialug mailing list
>> Cialug at cialug.org
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> =====================================
> Lathrop Preston
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
>
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From inflatablesoulmate at brothersofchaos.com  Sun Aug 16 19:40:40 2009
From: inflatablesoulmate at brothersofchaos.com (Matt Stanton)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 19:40:40 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] extra servers
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <4A88A708.1050105@brothersofchaos.com>

Matthew Nuzum wrote:
> Hello, for a few years I've been helping my friend manage his servers
> colocated in Miami (he gives me free rackspace for helping ;-). We've
> had some reliability problems with that datacenter and are moving the
> servers to Iowa so that I can have more hands on access.
>
> He has a good bit more server capacity than he needs. In order to
> offset the costs of bandwidth we'd like to rent out a few (3-4) of the
> servers and I just wondered if anyone here is interested in picking up
> one or would be willing to spread the word around.
>
> $175 /mo * (flexible, see below)
> 64bit Dual Xeon or Dual Core Xeon at aprox 3.0GHz
> 4G of RAM
> Dual 250GB RAID 1 drives (brand new drives will be installed in IA)
>
> Prices are flexible based on bandwidth usage, so if you just need an
> additional server running a lightly used service that price can come
> down.
>
> Email me at newz at bearfruit.org if you're interested.
>
>   
What sort of bandwidth are we talking about being included in the price 
of $175/mo?  I'm part of a gaming clan, and we run stats for 6 source 
engine games on our web VPS, and they are always pissed at us for eating 
tons of CPU.  I'd have to get in contact with our founder or the SQL guy 
(both have root access to the VPS, which I don't) to figure out how much 
bandwidth we use in a month, but the extra $80/mo might be worth the CPU 
we would be able to use on a dedicated box.

From robarooney at gmail.com  Sun Aug 16 21:03:45 2009
From: robarooney at gmail.com (Rob Miller)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 21:03:45 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Noob needs help.
In-Reply-To: <1a1c07bd0908161540j3a7e4dc5k38e0b310f304be4e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1a1c07bd0908161224n62c91c13i3cf26620ea9d5021@mail.gmail.com>
	<276cbfb0908161310w3f910d9cid00748b92885971d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1a1c07bd0908161540j3a7e4dc5k38e0b310f304be4e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1a1c07bd0908161903o7172d13ice24b8a67dfef42@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks again to Preston, Larry, and Jerry for answering my question.  Does
anyone have a cable modem with wireless so I can replace the modem we got
from Mediacom?  My daughter has my Motorola modem and is using it.  Rob

On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 5:40 PM, Rob Miller  wrote:

> Thanks, Preston.  You are right.  I've been on the phone with Mediacom tech
> support and I got the whole story about buying more IP addresses or getting
> a router instead of a hub, etc.  I'm ready to dig into my "junk room" to
> look for my Motorola Surfboard modem from a couple of years ago.  Rob
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Lathrop Preston wrote:
>
>> So based on what I see here your network is as follows...
>>
>> MediaCom-Router  -> Hubs -> Computers...
>>
>> if so than the problem is probably in the hubs. the MediaCom router
>> normally will only speak to 1 computer (or routeable device)...
>>
>> Unless I am mistaken,
>> you will need to get a firewall router or other router of some sort...
>> have that connected to the MediaCom device and then the computers will get
>> their IP addresses from it... technically MC only provides for a single
>> computer per household.
>>
>> But I could be wrong
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Rob Miller wrote:
>>
>>> We switched from Qwest to Mediacom and the technician hooked up one of
>>> our computers to access the Internet.  However, none of the other computers
>>> on our home network can find the Internet.  I've tried what I know to do and
>>> I get a message that the other computers cannot renew the IP address.
>>> Should I turn off all the computers, then the two hubs, then the Mediacom
>>> modem and then turn them back on?  Mediacom first then hubs then computers?
>>> Thanks.  Rob
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cialug mailing list
>>> Cialug at cialug.org
>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> =====================================
>> Lathrop Preston
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cialug mailing list
>> Cialug at cialug.org
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>
>>
>
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From newz at bearfruit.org  Sun Aug 16 21:15:09 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 21:15:09 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Noob needs help.
In-Reply-To: <1a1c07bd0908161903o7172d13ice24b8a67dfef42@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1a1c07bd0908161224n62c91c13i3cf26620ea9d5021@mail.gmail.com>
	<276cbfb0908161310w3f910d9cid00748b92885971d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1a1c07bd0908161540j3a7e4dc5k38e0b310f304be4e@mail.gmail.com>
	<1a1c07bd0908161903o7172d13ice24b8a67dfef42@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Rob Miller wrote:
> Thanks again to Preston, Larry, and Jerry for answering my question. ?Does
> anyone have a cable modem with wireless so I can replace the modem we got
> from Mediacom? ?My daughter has my Motorola modem and is using it. ?Rob

Go to best buy or walmart and buy a router. They cost as little as $50
and you will just plug your cable modem into the router (there's a
special port on the router specifically for this).

For simple needs a cheap router is fine. If you do voice over IP or
play high performance online games or file sharing with bittorrent (or
etc) you will want to spend a little more (say around $100) to get a
nicer router that can handle heavy traffic.

Unlike DSL it is not common to buy a cable modem for yourself. You
will use the one provided by Mediacom.

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter

From timchampion at gmail.com  Sun Aug 16 21:15:44 2009
From: timchampion at gmail.com (Tim Champion)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 21:15:44 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Noob needs help.
In-Reply-To: <1a1c07bd0908161903o7172d13ice24b8a67dfef42@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1a1c07bd0908161224n62c91c13i3cf26620ea9d5021@mail.gmail.com>
	<276cbfb0908161310w3f910d9cid00748b92885971d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1a1c07bd0908161540j3a7e4dc5k38e0b310f304be4e@mail.gmail.com>
	<1a1c07bd0908161903o7172d13ice24b8a67dfef42@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7aa1cdb20908161915x409c2c8an95eccf612a4f710@mail.gmail.com>

You don't need a new cable modem, nor do you need a modem with wireless.
What you need is a router.

It will look like this:

Cable Modem  --> Router --> optional Hub(s) --> computers.

You already have the cable modem.  If you didn't, your service wouldn't
work. You already have hubs, so you can keep using those. You just need a
router between your cable modem and hubs.  If you have just a few computers,
or most of them are wireless, you don't need the hubs at all (assuming you
get a wireless router)

Tim Champion
timchampion at gmail.com

On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Rob Miller  wrote:

> Thanks again to Preston, Larry, and Jerry for answering my question.  Does
> anyone have a cable modem with wireless so I can replace the modem we got
> from Mediacom?  My daughter has my Motorola modem and is using it.  Rob
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 5:40 PM, Rob Miller  wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Preston.  You are right.  I've been on the phone with Mediacom
>> tech support and I got the whole story about buying more IP addresses or
>> getting a router instead of a hub, etc.  I'm ready to dig into my "junk
>> room" to look for my Motorola Surfboard modem from a couple of years ago.
>>  Rob
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Lathrop Preston wrote:
>>
>>> So based on what I see here your network is as follows...
>>>
>>> MediaCom-Router  -> Hubs -> Computers...
>>>
>>> if so than the problem is probably in the hubs. the MediaCom router
>>> normally will only speak to 1 computer (or routeable device)...
>>>
>>> Unless I am mistaken,
>>> you will need to get a firewall router or other router of some sort...
>>> have that connected to the MediaCom device and then the computers will get
>>> their IP addresses from it... technically MC only provides for a single
>>> computer per household.
>>>
>>> But I could be wrong
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Rob Miller wrote:
>>>
>>>> We switched from Qwest to Mediacom and the technician hooked up one of
>>>> our computers to access the Internet.  However, none of the other computers
>>>> on our home network can find the Internet.  I've tried what I know to do and
>>>> I get a message that the other computers cannot renew the IP address.
>>>> Should I turn off all the computers, then the two hubs, then the Mediacom
>>>> modem and then turn them back on?  Mediacom first then hubs then computers?
>>>> Thanks.  Rob
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Cialug mailing list
>>>> Cialug at cialug.org
>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> =====================================
>>> Lathrop Preston
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cialug mailing list
>>> Cialug at cialug.org
>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>
>>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
>
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From albus at iowaconnect.com  Mon Aug 17 09:24:38 2009
From: albus at iowaconnect.com (albus)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:24:38 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Noob needs help.
References: <1a1c07bd0908161224n62c91c13i3cf26620ea9d5021@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

No one as yet has told you yet, but you need the MAC of the system that works yet. Maybe you already know you need that and maybe not.
Either way you will need it to set the MAC in the router to spoof back to Mediacom. Otherwise you won't have Internet until you spoof
the MAC or call them to re-register the router.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rob Miller 
  To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group 
  Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 2:24 PM
  Subject: [Cialug] Noob needs help.

  We switched from Qwest to Mediacom and the technician hooked up one of our computers to access the Internet.  However, none of the other computers on our home network can find the Internet.  I've tried what I know to do and I get a message that the other computers cannot renew the IP address.  Should I turn off all the computers, then the two hubs, then the Mediacom modem and then turn them back on?  Mediacom first then hubs then computers?  Thanks.  Rob 

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From dave at dchamp.net  Mon Aug 17 09:33:30 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:33:30 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Noob needs help.
In-Reply-To: 
References: <1a1c07bd0908161224n62c91c13i3cf26620ea9d5021@mail.gmail.com>	<276cbfb0908161310w3f910d9cid00748b92885971d@mail.gmail.com>	<1a1c07bd0908161540j3a7e4dc5k38e0b310f304be4e@mail.gmail.com>	<1a1c07bd0908161903o7172d13ice24b8a67dfef42@mail.gmail.com>

Message-ID: <4A896A3A.404@dchamp.net>

Matthew Nuzum wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Rob Miller wrote:
>   
>> Thanks again to Preston, Larry, and Jerry for answering my question.  Does
>> anyone have a cable modem with wireless so I can replace the modem we got
>> from Mediacom?  My daughter has my Motorola modem and is using it.  Rob
>>     
>
> Go to best buy or walmart and buy a router. They cost as little as $50
> and you will just plug your cable modem into the router (there's a
> special port on the router specifically for this).
>
> For simple needs a cheap router is fine. If you do voice over IP or
> play high performance online games or file sharing with bittorrent (or
> etc) you will want to spend a little more (say around $100) to get a
> nicer router that can handle heavy traffic.
>
> Unlike DSL it is not common to buy a cable modem for yourself. You
> will use the one provided by Mediacom.
>
>   
If I were buying a router, I'd make sure it supports DD-WRT - it's a 
great alternative router firmware that lets you do a lot of neat stuff 
you can't do most routers out of the box.

http://www.dd-wrt.com/dd-wrtv3/dd-wrt/hardware.html

-dc

From chapinjeff at gmail.com  Mon Aug 17 09:38:51 2009
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:38:51 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Noob needs help.
In-Reply-To: <4A896A3A.404@dchamp.net>
References: <1a1c07bd0908161224n62c91c13i3cf26620ea9d5021@mail.gmail.com>	<276cbfb0908161310w3f910d9cid00748b92885971d@mail.gmail.com>	<1a1c07bd0908161540j3a7e4dc5k38e0b310f304be4e@mail.gmail.com>	<1a1c07bd0908161903o7172d13ice24b8a67dfef42@mail.gmail.com>	
	<4A896A3A.404@dchamp.net>
Message-ID: <4A896B7B.2010204@gmail.com>

That's the *first* thing I look at when looking at routers. Having gone
dd-wrt, I *cannot* go back.

David Champion wrote:
> Matthew Nuzum wrote:
>   
>> On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Rob Miller wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>> Thanks again to Preston, Larry, and Jerry for answering my question.  Does
>>> anyone have a cable modem with wireless so I can replace the modem we got
>>> from Mediacom?  My daughter has my Motorola modem and is using it.  Rob
>>>     
>>>       
>> Go to best buy or walmart and buy a router. They cost as little as $50
>> and you will just plug your cable modem into the router (there's a
>> special port on the router specifically for this).
>>
>> For simple needs a cheap router is fine. If you do voice over IP or
>> play high performance online games or file sharing with bittorrent (or
>> etc) you will want to spend a little more (say around $100) to get a
>> nicer router that can handle heavy traffic.
>>
>> Unlike DSL it is not common to buy a cable modem for yourself. You
>> will use the one provided by Mediacom.
>>
>>   
>>     
> If I were buying a router, I'd make sure it supports DD-WRT - it's a 
> great alternative router firmware that lets you do a lot of neat stuff 
> you can't do most routers out of the box.
>
> http://www.dd-wrt.com/dd-wrtv3/dd-wrt/hardware.html
>
> -dc
>
> _______________________________________________
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From dave at dchamp.net  Mon Aug 17 09:55:28 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:55:28 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] mancoosi
Message-ID: <4A896F60.3030406@dchamp.net>

Here's a new package management system I saw in the Mandriva newsletter 
that they're supporting, called mancoosi. This sounds like a nice feature:

"Develop mechanisms that provide for rollbacks of failed upgrade 
attempts, allowing the system administrator to revert the system to the 
state before the upgrade"

More info:

http://www.mancoosi.org/

-dc

From tdwalton at gmail.com  Mon Aug 17 09:58:09 2009
From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:58:09 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Noob needs help.
In-Reply-To: 
References: <1a1c07bd0908161224n62c91c13i3cf26620ea9d5021@mail.gmail.com>

Message-ID: 

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:24 AM, albus wrote:
> No one as yet has told you yet, but?you need the MAC of the system that
> works yet. Maybe you already know you need that and maybe not.
> Either way?you will need it to set the MAC in the router to spoof back to
> Mediacom. Otherwise you won't have Internet until you spoof
> the MAC or call them to re-register the router.

I've never needed my MAC address.  This is one point where I'd be on
the phone complaining without relent to Mediacom, if they somehow put
me in a situation where I had to use it just to get service.  Just
because *I'm* tech savvy doesn't mean everyone is.

But like I said, I've never actually needed my MAC.

--
Todd

From kula at tproa.net  Mon Aug 17 09:59:30 2009
From: kula at tproa.net (Thomas Kula)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:59:30 -0400
Subject: [Cialug] mancoosi
In-Reply-To: <4A896F60.3030406@dchamp.net>
References: <4A896F60.3030406@dchamp.net>
Message-ID: <20090817145930.GA14372@mcketrick.tproa.net>

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 09:55:28AM -0500, David Champion wrote:
> Here's a new package management system I saw in the Mandriva newsletter 
> that they're supporting, called mancoosi. This sounds like a nice feature:
> 
> "Develop mechanisms that provide for rollbacks of failed upgrade 
> attempts, allowing the system administrator to revert the system to the 
> state before the upgrade"

We do this all the time here at UMich with radmind. Of course, our
current (or rather, a current) fun task is getting that to live well
with a conventional distribution's package manager.

-- 
Thomas L. Kula | kula at tproa.net | http://kula.tproa.net/

From tdwalton at gmail.com  Mon Aug 17 09:59:33 2009
From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:59:33 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] mancoosi
In-Reply-To: <4A896F60.3030406@dchamp.net>
References: <4A896F60.3030406@dchamp.net>
Message-ID: 

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:55 AM, David Champion wrote:
> Here's a new package management system I saw in the Mandriva newsletter
> that they're supporting, called mancoosi. This sounds like a nice feature:
>
> "Develop mechanisms that provide for rollbacks of failed upgrade
> attempts, allowing the system administrator to revert the system to the
> state before the upgrade"

Do you have failed upgrades?  I don't think I have with yum.

--
Todd

From newz at bearfruit.org  Mon Aug 17 10:10:18 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:10:18 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Noob needs help.
In-Reply-To: 
References: <1a1c07bd0908161224n62c91c13i3cf26620ea9d5021@mail.gmail.com>

Message-ID: 

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Todd Walton wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:24 AM, albus wrote:
>> No one as yet has told you yet, but?you need the MAC of the system that
>> works yet. Maybe you already know you need that and maybe not.
>> Either way?you will need it to set the MAC in the router to spoof back to
>> Mediacom. Otherwise you won't have Internet until you spoof
>> the MAC or call them to re-register the router.
>
> I've never needed my MAC address. ?This is one point where I'd be on
> the phone complaining without relent to Mediacom, if they somehow put
> me in a situation where I had to use it just to get service. ?Just
> because *I'm* tech savvy doesn't mean everyone is.
>
> But like I said, I've never actually needed my MAC.
>

When I was a mediacom customer I had to call in a few times to get
them to reset the modem to work with a change in router or etc.
Initial computer setup was w/out a router so when I hooked up my
router it wouldn't work. Called them and they fixed it in 1 minute.
Then router died and switched to desktop. Call again, fixed in 1 min.
Tried making my own router out of a linux server. Call again. Gave up
and switched to new router. Call again.

I think if you're patient and just wait overnight with the router and
modem unplugged it works OK. I'm not usually patient enough for that
though. Mediacom is not the only company that does it like this.

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter

From albus at iowaconnect.com  Mon Aug 17 10:13:57 2009
From: albus at iowaconnect.com (albus)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:13:57 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Noob needs help.
References: <1a1c07bd0908161224n62c91c13i3cf26620ea9d5021@mail.gmail.com>

Message-ID: <6730D8B3AFD84C8AB64EB54B7D7BBAA4@RayJ>

Every Mediacom setup I've ever worked with I had to have it off the system that was working.
Otherwise no Internet until I spoofed it.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Todd Walton" 
To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" 
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Cialug] Noob needs help.

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:24 AM, albus wrote:
> No one as yet has told you yet, but you need the MAC of the system that
> works yet. Maybe you already know you need that and maybe not.
> Either way you will need it to set the MAC in the router to spoof back to
> Mediacom. Otherwise you won't have Internet until you spoof
> the MAC or call them to re-register the router.

I've never needed my MAC address.  This is one point where I'd be on
the phone complaining without relent to Mediacom, if they somehow put
me in a situation where I had to use it just to get service.  Just
because *I'm* tech savvy doesn't mean everyone is.

But like I said, I've never actually needed my MAC.

--
Todd
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From albus at iowaconnect.com  Mon Aug 17 10:16:29 2009
From: albus at iowaconnect.com (albus)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:16:29 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Noob needs help.
References: <1a1c07bd0908161224n62c91c13i3cf26620ea9d5021@mail.gmail.com>

Message-ID: <7E7C0CB4C0F7481EAC7A6EE2215BFF7C@RayJ>

I don't know about you, but I get tired of talking to ID10TS.
So if you spoof it, it's a done deal. No more calling Mediacom.
Until they have a major systems FUBAR.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Matthew Nuzum" 
To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" 
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Cialug] Noob needs help.

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Todd Walton wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:24 AM, albus wrote:
>> No one as yet has told you yet, but you need the MAC of the system that
>> works yet. Maybe you already know you need that and maybe not.
>> Either way you will need it to set the MAC in the router to spoof back to
>> Mediacom. Otherwise you won't have Internet until you spoof
>> the MAC or call them to re-register the router.
>
> I've never needed my MAC address. This is one point where I'd be on
> the phone complaining without relent to Mediacom, if they somehow put
> me in a situation where I had to use it just to get service. Just
> because *I'm* tech savvy doesn't mean everyone is.
>
> But like I said, I've never actually needed my MAC.
>

When I was a mediacom customer I had to call in a few times to get
them to reset the modem to work with a change in router or etc.
Initial computer setup was w/out a router so when I hooked up my
router it wouldn't work. Called them and they fixed it in 1 minute.
Then router died and switched to desktop. Call again, fixed in 1 min.
Tried making my own router out of a linux server. Call again. Gave up
and switched to new router. Call again.

I think if you're patient and just wait overnight with the router and
modem unplugged it works OK. I'm not usually patient enough for that
though. Mediacom is not the only company that does it like this.

-- 
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From dave at dchamp.net  Mon Aug 17 10:19:39 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:19:39 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] mancoosi
In-Reply-To: 
References: <4A896F60.3030406@dchamp.net>

Message-ID: <4A89750B.5080400@dchamp.net>

Todd Walton wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:55 AM, David Champion wrote:
>   
>> Here's a new package management system I saw in the Mandriva newsletter
>> that they're supporting, called mancoosi. This sounds like a nice feature:
>>
>> "Develop mechanisms that provide for rollbacks of failed upgrade
>> attempts, allowing the system administrator to revert the system to the
>> state before the upgrade"
>>     
>
> Do you have failed upgrades?  I don't think I have with yum.
>   
On very rare occasions. It's more likely that an update breaks some 
other application, in that case it would be handy to rollback until you 
can address the issue.

In a perfect world, there would be testing done first to make sure the 
application wouldn't break...

-dc

From dave at 58ghz.net  Mon Aug 17 10:22:16 2009
From: dave at 58ghz.net (Dave Hala Jr)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:22:16 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Noob needs help.
In-Reply-To: <7E7C0CB4C0F7481EAC7A6EE2215BFF7C@RayJ>
References: <1a1c07bd0908161224n62c91c13i3cf26620ea9d5021@mail.gmail.com>

	<7E7C0CB4C0F7481EAC7A6EE2215BFF7C@RayJ>
Message-ID: <1250522536.3551.79.camel@centos5>

Years ago, they used to have an area on what they called their support
site where you could change the mac address of the device that was
assigned your public address.

On Mon, 2009-08-17 at 10:16 -0500, albus wrote:
> I don't know about you, but I get tired of talking to ID10TS.
> So if you spoof it, it's a done deal. No more calling Mediacom.
> Until they have a major systems FUBAR.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Matthew Nuzum" 
> To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" 
> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 10:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Noob needs help.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Todd Walton wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:24 AM, albus wrote:
> >> No one as yet has told you yet, but you need the MAC of the system that
> >> works yet. Maybe you already know you need that and maybe not.
> >> Either way you will need it to set the MAC in the router to spoof back to
> >> Mediacom. Otherwise you won't have Internet until you spoof
> >> the MAC or call them to re-register the router.
> >
> > I've never needed my MAC address. This is one point where I'd be on
> > the phone complaining without relent to Mediacom, if they somehow put
> > me in a situation where I had to use it just to get service. Just
> > because *I'm* tech savvy doesn't mean everyone is.
> >
> > But like I said, I've never actually needed my MAC.
> >
> 
> When I was a mediacom customer I had to call in a few times to get
> them to reset the modem to work with a change in router or etc.
> Initial computer setup was w/out a router so when I hooked up my
> router it wouldn't work. Called them and they fixed it in 1 minute.
> Then router died and switched to desktop. Call again, fixed in 1 min.
> Tried making my own router out of a linux server. Call again. Gave up
> and switched to new router. Call again.
> 
> I think if you're patient and just wait overnight with the router and
> modem unplugged it works OK. I'm not usually patient enough for that
> though. Mediacom is not the only company that does it like this.
> 

From albus at iowaconnect.com  Mon Aug 17 10:24:13 2009
From: albus at iowaconnect.com (albus)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:24:13 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Noob needs help.
References: <1a1c07bd0908161224n62c91c13i3cf26620ea9d5021@mail.gmail.com><7E7C0CB4C0F7481EAC7A6EE2215BFF7C@RayJ>
	<1250522536.3551.79.camel@centos5>
Message-ID: <31280370AE6C4312830FF56D70B50ADD@RayJ>

yea been there done that too. Still just easier to set it and forget it.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Hala Jr" 
To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" 
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Cialug] Noob needs help.

> Years ago, they used to have an area on what they called their support
> site where you could change the mac address of the device that was
> assigned your public address.
> 
> 
> On Mon, 2009-08-17 at 10:16 -0500, albus wrote:
>> I don't know about you, but I get tired of talking to ID10TS.
>> So if you spoof it, it's a done deal. No more calling Mediacom.
>> Until they have a major systems FUBAR.
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Matthew Nuzum" 
>> To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" 
>> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 10:10 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Noob needs help.
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Todd Walton wrote:
>> > On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:24 AM, albus wrote:
>> >> No one as yet has told you yet, but you need the MAC of the system that
>> >> works yet. Maybe you already know you need that and maybe not.
>> >> Either way you will need it to set the MAC in the router to spoof back to
>> >> Mediacom. Otherwise you won't have Internet until you spoof
>> >> the MAC or call them to re-register the router.
>> >
>> > I've never needed my MAC address. This is one point where I'd be on
>> > the phone complaining without relent to Mediacom, if they somehow put
>> > me in a situation where I had to use it just to get service. Just
>> > because *I'm* tech savvy doesn't mean everyone is.
>> >
>> > But like I said, I've never actually needed my MAC.
>> >
>> 
>> When I was a mediacom customer I had to call in a few times to get
>> them to reset the modem to work with a change in router or etc.
>> Initial computer setup was w/out a router so when I hooked up my
>> router it wouldn't work. Called them and they fixed it in 1 minute.
>> Then router died and switched to desktop. Call again, fixed in 1 min.
>> Tried making my own router out of a linux server. Call again. Gave up
>> and switched to new router. Call again.
>> 
>> I think if you're patient and just wait overnight with the router and
>> modem unplugged it works OK. I'm not usually patient enough for that
>> though. Mediacom is not the only company that does it like this.
>> 
> 
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> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> 
>

From me at digitaljeff.com  Mon Aug 17 10:32:45 2009
From: me at digitaljeff.com (Jeff Davis)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:32:45 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Noob needs help.
In-Reply-To: 
References: <1a1c07bd0908161224n62c91c13i3cf26620ea9d5021@mail.gmail.com>

Message-ID: 

Do you have to call?  Someone told me a while back that there's a URL
you can hit that will re-register the MAC.
(I've never had mediacom personally, but occasionally support family
members who do.)

-Jeff

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:24 AM, albus wrote:
> No one as yet has told you yet, but?you need the MAC of the system that
> works yet. Maybe you already know you need that and maybe not.
> Either way?you will need it to set the MAC in the router to spoof back to
> Mediacom. Otherwise you won't have Internet until you spoof
> the MAC or call them to re-register the router.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rob Miller
> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 2:24 PM
> Subject: [Cialug] Noob needs help.
> We switched from Qwest to Mediacom and the technician hooked up one of our
> computers to access the Internet.? However, none of the other computers on
> our home network can find the Internet.? I've tried what I know to do and I
> get a message that the other computers cannot renew the IP address.? Should
> I turn off all the computers, then the two hubs, then the Mediacom modem and
> then turn them back on?? Mediacom first then hubs then computers?? Thanks.
> Rob
>
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From jroach at simplicitysys.com  Mon Aug 17 10:55:04 2009
From: jroach at simplicitysys.com (John Roach)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:55:04 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Noob needs help.
In-Reply-To: 
References: <1a1c07bd0908161224n62c91c13i3cf26620ea9d5021@mail.gmail.com>		

Message-ID: <4A897D58.1050304@simplicitysys.com>

Before I got rid of mediacom, I just reverted to a linksys router and 
used the Mac address clone feature. I registered the MAC of my primary 
computer, and told the router to provide that MAC instead  of its.

Matthew Nuzum wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Todd Walton wrote:
>   
>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:24 AM, albus wrote:
>>     
>>> No one as yet has told you yet, but you need the MAC of the system that
>>> works yet. Maybe you already know you need that and maybe not.
>>> Either way you will need it to set the MAC in the router to spoof back to
>>> Mediacom. Otherwise you won't have Internet until you spoof
>>> the MAC or call them to re-register the router.
>>>       
>> I've never needed my MAC address.  This is one point where I'd be on
>> the phone complaining without relent to Mediacom, if they somehow put
>> me in a situation where I had to use it just to get service.  Just
>> because *I'm* tech savvy doesn't mean everyone is.
>>
>> But like I said, I've never actually needed my MAC.
>>
>>     
>
> When I was a mediacom customer I had to call in a few times to get
> them to reset the modem to work with a change in router or etc.
> Initial computer setup was w/out a router so when I hooked up my
> router it wouldn't work. Called them and they fixed it in 1 minute.
> Then router died and switched to desktop. Call again, fixed in 1 min.
> Tried making my own router out of a linux server. Call again. Gave up
> and switched to new router. Call again.
>
> I think if you're patient and just wait overnight with the router and
> modem unplugged it works OK. I'm not usually patient enough for that
> though. Mediacom is not the only company that does it like this.
>
>   

From jrnosee at gmail.com  Mon Aug 17 10:59:17 2009
From: jrnosee at gmail.com (jrnosee at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:59:17 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Noob needs help.
In-Reply-To: <4A897D58.1050304@simplicitysys.com>
References: <1a1c07bd0908161224n62c91c13i3cf26620ea9d5021@mail.gmail.com>

	<4A897D58.1050304@simplicitysys.com>
Message-ID: 

I don't think they check MAC's anymore.  I can switch from my router to a
single machine.  I just have to unplug/re-plug my modem after the switch.

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 10:55 AM, John Roach wrote:

> Before I got rid of mediacom, I just reverted to a linksys router and
> used the Mac address clone feature. I registered the MAC of my primary
> computer, and told the router to provide that MAC instead  of its.
>
> Matthew Nuzum wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Todd Walton wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:24 AM, albus wrote:
> >>
> >>> No one as yet has told you yet, but you need the MAC of the system that
> >>> works yet. Maybe you already know you need that and maybe not.
> >>> Either way you will need it to set the MAC in the router to spoof back
> to
> >>> Mediacom. Otherwise you won't have Internet until you spoof
> >>> the MAC or call them to re-register the router.
> >>>
> >> I've never needed my MAC address.  This is one point where I'd be on
> >> the phone complaining without relent to Mediacom, if they somehow put
> >> me in a situation where I had to use it just to get service.  Just
> >> because *I'm* tech savvy doesn't mean everyone is.
> >>
> >> But like I said, I've never actually needed my MAC.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > When I was a mediacom customer I had to call in a few times to get
> > them to reset the modem to work with a change in router or etc.
> > Initial computer setup was w/out a router so when I hooked up my
> > router it wouldn't work. Called them and they fixed it in 1 minute.
> > Then router died and switched to desktop. Call again, fixed in 1 min.
> > Tried making my own router out of a linux server. Call again. Gave up
> > and switched to new router. Call again.
> >
> > I think if you're patient and just wait overnight with the router and
> > modem unplugged it works OK. I'm not usually patient enough for that
> > though. Mediacom is not the only company that does it like this.
> >
> >
>
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From jerry at heiselman.com  Mon Aug 17 11:02:02 2009
From: jerry at heiselman.com (Jerry Heiselman)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:02:02 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Noob needs help.
Message-ID: <4a897eed.181e640a.7fd5.07e5@mx.google.com>

Mediacom registers your computer/router MAC address so they know the authorized computer to grant an IP to.  You don't typically need to know it.  Once you've setup the router, you just visit the registration site and you perform the swap out right there.  The site is designed to query your modem for the connecting devices (read: router/computer) and then it records that to their database.  

-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Nuzum 
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 10:10 AM
To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group 
Subject: Re: [Cialug] Noob needs help.

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Todd Walton wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:24 AM, albus wrote:
>> No one as yet has told you yet, but?you need the MAC of the system that
>> works yet. Maybe you already know you need that and maybe not.
>> Either way?you will need it to set the MAC in the router to spoof back to
>> Mediacom. Otherwise you won't have Internet until you spoof
>> the MAC or call them to re-register the router.
>
> I've never needed my MAC address. ?This is one point where I'd be on
> the phone complaining without relent to Mediacom, if they somehow put
> me in a situation where I had to use it just to get service. ?Just
> because *I'm* tech savvy doesn't mean everyone is.
>
> But like I said, I've never actually needed my MAC.
>

When I was a mediacom customer I had to call in a few times to get
them to reset the modem to work with a change in router or etc.
Initial computer setup was w/out a router so when I hooked up my
router it wouldn't work. Called them and they fixed it in 1 minute.
Then router died and switched to desktop. Call again, fixed in 1 min.
Tried making my own router out of a linux server. Call again. Gave up
and switched to new router. Call again.

I think if you're patient and just wait overnight with the router and
modem unplugged it works OK. I'm not usually patient enough for that
though. Mediacom is not the only company that does it like this.

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
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From samkolars at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 17 11:05:27 2009
From: samkolars at yahoo.com (samkolars at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:05:27 +0000
Subject: [Cialug] Noob needs help.
In-Reply-To: 
References: <1a1c07bd0908161224n62c91c13i3cf26620ea9d5021@mail.gmail.com><4A897D58.1050304@simplicitysys.com>
Message-ID: <416248122-1250525133-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1883615654-@bxe1304.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I'll second that.  I've had no problems switching for a couple of years now.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: jrnosee at gmail.com

Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:59:17 
To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
Subject: Re: [Cialug] Noob needs help.

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From barry at vonahsen.com  Mon Aug 17 11:58:24 2009
From: barry at vonahsen.com (Barry Von Ahsen)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:58:24 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Noob needs help.
In-Reply-To: <1250522536.3551.79.camel@centos5>
References: <1a1c07bd0908161224n62c91c13i3cf26620ea9d5021@mail.gmail.com>				<7E7C0CB4C0F7481EAC7A6EE2215BFF7C@RayJ>
	<1250522536.3551.79.camel@centos5>
Message-ID: <4A898C30.1020603@vonahsen.com>

yes, the page where the submit was a javascript, so it didn't work in 
lynx :)

-barry

Dave Hala Jr wrote:
> Years ago, they used to have an area on what they called their support
> site where you could change the mac address of the device that was
> assigned your public address.
> 
> 
> On Mon, 2009-08-17 at 10:16 -0500, albus wrote:
>> I don't know about you, but I get tired of talking to ID10TS.
>> So if you spoof it, it's a done deal. No more calling Mediacom.
>> Until they have a major systems FUBAR.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Matthew Nuzum" 
>> To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" 
>> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 10:10 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Noob needs help.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Todd Walton wrote:
>>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:24 AM, albus wrote:
>>>> No one as yet has told you yet, but you need the MAC of the system that
>>>> works yet. Maybe you already know you need that and maybe not.
>>>> Either way you will need it to set the MAC in the router to spoof back to
>>>> Mediacom. Otherwise you won't have Internet until you spoof
>>>> the MAC or call them to re-register the router.
>>> I've never needed my MAC address. This is one point where I'd be on
>>> the phone complaining without relent to Mediacom, if they somehow put
>>> me in a situation where I had to use it just to get service. Just
>>> because *I'm* tech savvy doesn't mean everyone is.
>>>
>>> But like I said, I've never actually needed my MAC.
>>>
>> When I was a mediacom customer I had to call in a few times to get
>> them to reset the modem to work with a change in router or etc.
>> Initial computer setup was w/out a router so when I hooked up my
>> router it wouldn't work. Called them and they fixed it in 1 minute.
>> Then router died and switched to desktop. Call again, fixed in 1 min.
>> Tried making my own router out of a linux server. Call again. Gave up
>> and switched to new router. Call again.
>>
>> I think if you're patient and just wait overnight with the router and
>> modem unplugged it works OK. I'm not usually patient enough for that
>> though. Mediacom is not the only company that does it like this.
>>
> 
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From kula at tproa.net  Mon Aug 17 11:57:52 2009
From: kula at tproa.net (Thomas Kula)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 12:57:52 -0400
Subject: [Cialug] mancoosi
In-Reply-To: <4A89750B.5080400@dchamp.net>
References: <4A896F60.3030406@dchamp.net>

	<4A89750B.5080400@dchamp.net>
Message-ID: <20090817165752.GB14372@mcketrick.tproa.net>

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 10:19:39AM -0500, David Champion wrote:
> 
> In a perfect world, there would be testing done first to make sure the 
> application wouldn't break...
> 

And even when you do testing, you have to think of everything to
test. We've had issues come up where we tested fairly exhaustively
and still didn't manage to think of everything.

-- 
Thomas L. Kula | kula at tproa.net | http://kula.tproa.net/

From tdwalton at gmail.com  Mon Aug 17 12:21:15 2009
From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 12:21:15 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Noob needs help.
In-Reply-To: <416248122-1250525133-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1883615654-@bxe1304.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <1a1c07bd0908161224n62c91c13i3cf26620ea9d5021@mail.gmail.com>

	<4A897D58.1050304@simplicitysys.com>

	<416248122-1250525133-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1883615654-@bxe1304.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: 

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 11:05 AM,  wrote:
> I'll second that. ?I've had no problems switching for a couple of years now.

Second what?  I didn't see any other text in your email.

--
Todd

From tdwalton at gmail.com  Mon Aug 17 12:25:36 2009
From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 12:25:36 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Noob needs help.
In-Reply-To: 
References: <1a1c07bd0908161224n62c91c13i3cf26620ea9d5021@mail.gmail.com>

	<4A897D58.1050304@simplicitysys.com>

Message-ID: 

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 10:59 AM,  wrote:
> I don't think they check MAC's anymore.? I can switch from my router to a
> single machine.? I just have to unplug/re-plug my modem after the switch.

I just tested it out.  I have Mediacom with a Surfboard modem.  I
always have my router plugged in.  I just unplugged the router from
the modem, and then plugged my computer directly in.  I did not power
cycle the modem.

By the time I walked from the living room back to my office I was able
to load a website I've never been to before, so it's working.

I don't think they check MACs anymore.

--
Todd

From me at digitaljeff.com  Mon Aug 17 12:49:24 2009
From: me at digitaljeff.com (Jeff Davis)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 12:49:24 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Noob needs help.
In-Reply-To: 
References: <1a1c07bd0908161224n62c91c13i3cf26620ea9d5021@mail.gmail.com>

	<4A897D58.1050304@simplicitysys.com>

Message-ID: 

Last time I worked on this issue, after I installed the router I had
a 'net connection, but DNS failed until I registered the new MAC.
( Granted that's been a couple of years ago, and things change.)

Are you using mediacom's DNS servers?

-Jeff

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Todd Walton wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 10:59 AM,  wrote:
>> I don't think they check MAC's anymore.? I can switch from my router to a
>> single machine.? I just have to unplug/re-plug my modem after the switch.
>
> I just tested it out. ?I have Mediacom with a Surfboard modem. ?I
> always have my router plugged in. ?I just unplugged the router from
> the modem, and then plugged my computer directly in. ?I did not power
> cycle the modem.
>
> By the time I walked from the living room back to my office I was able
> to load a website I've never been to before, so it's working.
>
> I don't think they check MACs anymore.
>
> --
> Todd
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>

From tdwalton at gmail.com  Mon Aug 17 12:51:48 2009
From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 12:51:48 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Noob needs help.
In-Reply-To: 
References: <1a1c07bd0908161224n62c91c13i3cf26620ea9d5021@mail.gmail.com>

	<4A897D58.1050304@simplicitysys.com>

Message-ID: 

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Jeff Davis wrote:
> Last time I worked on this issue, after I installed the router I had
> a 'net connection, but DNS failed until I registered the new MAC.
> ( Granted that's been a couple of years ago, and things change.)
>
> Are you using mediacom's DNS servers?

Yes, as a matter of fact.  I normally use OpenDNS, but I switched it
yesterday, by coincidence.

--
Todd

From samkolars at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 17 13:04:39 2009
From: samkolars at yahoo.com (samkolars at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:04:39 +0000
Subject: [Cialug] Noob needs help.
Message-ID: <1729123234-1250532281-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1538262979-@bxe1304.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Hmmm.  The other text is showing in my sent message.  Must be formatting issue with sending replies to the list from a Blackberry.

Anyway, I was seconding the comment of Mediacom not checking MACs.  I've been able switch without issue for awhile.  If you do have an issue just call 'em, it shouldn't be too big of a deal.  Also, I would like think just using the router/firewall's MAC would be better than hunting down the correct internal MAC to clone on a public facing NAT device.  That's just me tho.

------Original Message------
From: Todd Walton
Sender: cialug-bounces at cialug.org
To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
ReplyTo: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
Subject: Re: [Cialug] Noob needs help.
Sent: Aug 17, 2009 12:21 PM

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 11:05 AM,  wrote:
> I'll second that. ?I've had no problems switching for a couple of years now.

Second what?  I didn't see any other text in your email.

--
Todd
_______________________________________________
Cialug mailing list
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http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

From robarooney at gmail.com  Mon Aug 17 14:01:12 2009
From: robarooney at gmail.com (Rob Miller)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:01:12 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Noob needs help.
In-Reply-To: 
References: <1a1c07bd0908161224n62c91c13i3cf26620ea9d5021@mail.gmail.com>

	<4A897D58.1050304@simplicitysys.com>

Message-ID: <1a1c07bd0908171201h3719ffe5h9718499619841cad@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks so much to everyone who has been discussing my situation.  I'm sorry
but I didn't check e-mail this morning.  I just went out and bought a Belkin
G router at Office Max for $34.99 and I hooked it up and it worked right out
of the box for my desktop computers.  I did call Belkin to get the wireless
part working for my wife's laptop.  Didn't need the MAC.  A Mediacom tech
had told me to get a router and that would be all I needed.  Thanks again to
everyone who answered ... Rob

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Todd Walton  wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Jeff Davis wrote:
> > Last time I worked on this issue, after I installed the router I had
> > a 'net connection, but DNS failed until I registered the new MAC.
> > ( Granted that's been a couple of years ago, and things change.)
> >
> > Are you using mediacom's DNS servers?
>
> Yes, as a matter of fact.  I normally use OpenDNS, but I switched it
> yesterday, by coincidence.
>
> --
> Todd
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
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From morej at alliancetechnologies.net  Mon Aug 17 16:15:14 2009
From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:15:14 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Meeting reminders - Wednesday, August 19th
Message-ID: <4A8982120200002E00036EFB@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>

This is just a reminder that we are meeting this Wednesday to discuss
graphics (unless anyone wants to trump the discussion with something
else).  I do note that Compiz seems to have really grown up since the
last time we talked about it and it nicely stable (at least in
OpenSUSE).  We could also talk about any 2D, 3D or 4D work that anyone
might be doing.

Also, I wanted to remind people that the Infragard group is having a
meeting on security standards in the morning of August 19th.  So, if
you're interested in that, feel free to stop by.  Details are at: 
http://www.iowainfragard.org/content/monthly-cyber-meeting-ali-pabrai-getting-started-isoiec-27000-20090819

Hope to see most of you at one or the other.

-Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC 
 morej at alliancetechnologies.net 
 515-245-7701

From ralphkessel75 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 19 17:57:46 2009
From: ralphkessel75 at yahoo.com (Ralph Kessel)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:57:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Cialug] Meeting reminders - Wednesday, August 19th
In-Reply-To: <4A8982120200002E00036EFB@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <734121.64965.qm@web46404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Just to be sure the LUG meeting will be at 7:00 PM at? Alliance Technologies?
Ralph Kessel

--- On Mon, 8/17/09, Josh More  wrote:

From: Josh More 
Subject: [Cialug] Meeting reminders - Wednesday, August 19th
To: cialug at cialug.org
Date: Monday, August 17, 2009, 9:15 PM

This is just a reminder that we are meeting this Wednesday to discuss
graphics (unless anyone wants to trump the discussion with something
else).? I do note that Compiz seems to have really grown up since the
last time we talked about it and it nicely stable (at least in
OpenSUSE).? We could also talk about any 2D, 3D or 4D work that anyone
might be doing.

Also, I wanted to remind people that the Infragard group is having a
meeting on security standards in the morning of August 19th.? So, if
you're interested in that, feel free to stop by.? Details are at: 
http://www.iowainfragard.org/content/monthly-cyber-meeting-ali-pabrai-getting-started-isoiec-27000-20090819

Hope to see most of you at one or the other.

-Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC 
 morej at alliancetechnologies.net 
 515-245-7701

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From morej at alliancetechnologies.net  Wed Aug 19 18:05:05 2009
From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:05:05 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Meeting reminders - Wednesday, August 19th
Message-ID: <4A8C3ED10200002E00037089@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>

Yes, it will.

-Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC 
 morej at alliancetechnologies.net 
 515-245-7701

>>> Ralph Kessel  08/19/09 5:57 PM >>>
Just to be sure the LUG meeting will be at 7:00 PM at  Alliance
Technologies?
Ralph Kessel

--- On Mon, 8/17/09, Josh More  wrote:

From: Josh More 
Subject: [Cialug] Meeting reminders - Wednesday, August 19th
To: cialug at cialug.org
Date: Monday, August 17, 2009, 9:15 PM

This is just a reminder that we are meeting this Wednesday to discuss
graphics (unless anyone wants to trump the discussion with something
else).  I do note that Compiz seems to have really grown up since the
last time we talked about it and it nicely stable (at least in
OpenSUSE).  We could also talk about any 2D, 3D or 4D work that anyone
might be doing.

Also, I wanted to remind people that the Infragard group is having a
meeting on security standards in the morning of August 19th.  So, if
you're interested in that, feel free to stop by.  Details are at: 
http://www.iowainfragard.org/content/monthly-cyber-meeting-ali-pabrai-getting-started-isoiec-27000-20090819

Hope to see most of you at one or the other.

-Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC 
 morej at alliancetechnologies.net 
 515-245-7701

_______________________________________________
Cialug mailing list
Cialug at cialug.org
http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug

From kristau at gmail.com  Wed Aug 19 19:08:08 2009
From: kristau at gmail.com (kristau)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:08:08 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Meeting catalyst
Message-ID: <3effba680908191708y7de018c4xed2c299af5c3a6c6@mail.gmail.com>

http://docs.google.com/View?id=dgrvx4t_24fk678dcx

Some links to kick-start the graphics topic?

-- 
Tired programmer
Coding late into the night
The core dump follows

From gray at cs.uni.edu  Wed Aug 19 19:17:03 2009
From: gray at cs.uni.edu (Paul Gray)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:17:03 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Meeting catalyst
In-Reply-To: <3effba680908191708y7de018c4xed2c299af5c3a6c6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3effba680908191708y7de018c4xed2c299af5c3a6c6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A8C95FF.4000204@cs.uni.edu>

kristau wrote:
> http://docs.google.com/View?id=dgrvx4t_24fk678dcx
> 
> Some links to kick-start the graphics topic?
> 

If anyone is interested in taking NVidia's C1060 Tesla server for a 
computational spin around the block, I can hook you up with a test account.

The C1060 is a top-end GPU (and it doesn't even have a video out).

http://www.nvidia.com/cuda  (<-- CUDA zone.  All about GPGPU on NVidia)
http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_tesla_c1060_us.html (<-- C1060)

-PG

From jim.asbille at gmail.com  Thu Aug 20 22:24:49 2009
From: jim.asbille at gmail.com (Jim Asbille)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 22:24:49 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Noob needs help.
In-Reply-To: <1a1c07bd0908161224n62c91c13i3cf26620ea9d5021@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1a1c07bd0908161224n62c91c13i3cf26620ea9d5021@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <60fcb45d0908202024j5b989233k34a0d79f3326f488@mail.gmail.com>

I have mediacom and I use their modem.  I then have a Buffalo Wireless
router.  My Desktops are wired into the router and the wireless gets
used for laptops.  No need for MAC addresses.

On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Rob Miller wrote:
> We switched from Qwest to Mediacom and the technician hooked up one of our
> computers to access the Internet.? However, none of the other computers on
> our home network can find the Internet.? I've tried what I know to do and I
> get a message that the other computers cannot renew the IP address.? Should
> I turn off all the computers, then the two hubs, then the Mediacom modem and
> then turn them back on?? Mediacom first then hubs then computers?? Thanks.
> Rob
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
>

-- 
Jim Asbille, MSM
registered Linux user number 388067

"Failure is not an option.  It's a standard feature of Windows and is
bundled into the Operating System for your convenience, at no
additional charge."

From tdwalton at gmail.com  Fri Aug 21 08:46:18 2009
From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 08:46:18 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Wow.
Message-ID: 

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,541221,00.html?test=latestnews

Never had it myself, but I hear it's a delicacy among the Republican crowd...

--
Todd

From adk at 52761.com  Fri Aug 21 09:10:08 2009
From: adk at 52761.com (Allen Kiddoo)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 09:10:08 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Wow.
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <678823f00908210710w207b75d8t4c9d4626e65ff3de@mail.gmail.com>

I thought we always left the politics alone here.

Allen Kiddoo

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Todd Walton wrote:
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,541221,00.html?test=latestnews
>
> Never had it myself, but I hear it's a delicacy among the Republican crowd...
>
> --
> Todd
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>

From mrdovey at iedu.com  Fri Aug 21 09:27:23 2009
From: mrdovey at iedu.com (Morris Dovey)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 09:27:23 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Wow.
In-Reply-To: <678823f00908210710w207b75d8t4c9d4626e65ff3de@mail.gmail.com>
References: 
	<678823f00908210710w207b75d8t4c9d4626e65ff3de@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A8EAECB.6010905@iedu.com>

Exactly so. Todd should consider himself Swift-booted.

Allen Kiddoo wrote:
> I thought we always left the politics alone here.
> 
> Allen Kiddoo
> 
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Todd Walton wrote:
>> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,541221,00.html?test=latestnews
>>
>> Never had it myself, but I hear it's a delicacy among the Republican crowd...

-- 
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

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From newz at bearfruit.org  Fri Aug 21 09:48:08 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 09:48:08 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Wow.
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

All right, admit it, who's humming the "chili's baby back ribs" song right
now?

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Todd Walton  wrote:

> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,541221,00.html?test=latestnews
>
>
? bbq sauce... ?
-- 
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From me at digitaljeff.com  Fri Aug 21 10:26:15 2009
From: me at digitaljeff.com (Jeff Davis)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:26:15 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Wow.
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <4A8EBC97.8080709@digitaljeff.com>

Todd Walton wrote:
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,541221,00.html?test=latestnews
>
> Never had it myself, but I hear it's a delicacy among the Republican crowd...
>
> --
> Todd
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
>   
It's rarely a good idea to post comments like that.

1) You will (and have) offended people on the list.
2) The list is archived, and 5 years from now you may be looking for a
job or something
    and Hiring Manager Patty googles your name, sees this, and thinks
"Not such a good fit in our company."

-Jeff

From dave at dchamp.net  Fri Aug 21 10:48:53 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:48:53 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Nokia N900 Linux Phone
Message-ID: <4A8EC1E5.8010600@dchamp.net>

Sounds like a Linux nerd's dream phone:

http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/08/21/1155217/Nokia-Leaks-Phone-With-Full-GNULinux-Distribution

Have any of you with the Palm Pre phone messed around on the linux 
console yet? I've heard that you can do things like just set up a 
network route between the cell phone wireless interface, and the wifi 
chip or USB networking to create an AP, or tether your laptop.

p.s. I read the linked article the other night... you can skip the first 
several paragraphs. That guy is not my favorite tech writer.

-dc

From daniel.ramaley at drake.edu  Fri Aug 21 13:34:39 2009
From: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu (Daniel A. Ramaley)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:34:39 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] [OT] Solaris books
Message-ID: <200908211334.39218.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>

In the near future my involvement with Solaris will be increasing. I am 
very familiar with Linux (especially Red Hat and Debian and some of 
their immediate derivatives), and have worked a bit with Solaris 7, 8, 
and 9.

The earlier versions of Solaris seemed to me like a primitive Linux 
distro; the standard base utilities (even as basic as "ls" and "grep") 
sort-of worked but didn't have all the features i expect. Most system 
administration seemed standard Unix but the package management was 
light-years behind Linux. So i can usually figure out how to do things 
on Solaris 9 and earlier, though it is more convoluted than on Linux. 
Usually if i install a large collection of GNU ports from Sunfreeware 
then the system is sane enough that it isn't *too* difficult to work 
with...

Solaris 10 is a very different beast though. I need to learn it. The way 
it does even such basic things as restarting services is unique (and 
both very fragile and rather opaque). And i know nothing about 
configuring zones. Any suggestions for Solaris 10 books or other 
learning materials, coming from a strong Linux or OpenBSD perspective?

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dan Ramaley                            Dial Center 118, Drake University
Network Programmer/Analyst             2407 Carpenter Ave
+1 515 271-4540                        Des Moines IA 50311 USA

From tdwalton at gmail.com  Fri Aug 21 13:36:02 2009
From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:36:02 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Noob needs help.
In-Reply-To: <60fcb45d0908202024j5b989233k34a0d79f3326f488@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1a1c07bd0908161224n62c91c13i3cf26620ea9d5021@mail.gmail.com>
	<60fcb45d0908202024j5b989233k34a0d79f3326f488@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 10:24 PM, Jim Asbille wrote:
> I have mediacom and I use their modem. ?I then have a Buffalo Wireless
> router. ?My Desktops are wired into the router and the wireless gets
> used for laptops. ?No need for MAC addresses.

That's the ideal setup, IMO.

--
Todd

From morej at alliancetechnologies.net  Fri Aug 21 14:07:47 2009
From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:07:47 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] [OT] Solaris books
Message-ID: <4A8EAA330200002E00037161@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>

I was recently in a similar position.  The resources that I used are
bookmarked at http://delicious.com/guppiecat/solaris .

I don't think that you really need a book per se.  Just plan to spend
about a day reading about each of the following:

* svcs, svcadmin.  Look at logging and dependency resolution.  In
particular, look at disabling everything and then enabling just the ones
you want.  It's a bit of a pain, but the up front work makes everything
else a lot easier.

* ZFS.  Read about this a lot.  Many many things tie back to it.

* Zones.  There's not much to it, really.  Just think of them as
isolation mechanisms instead of a virtualization technology.

Also, your life will be a lot easier if you install
http://www.opencsw.org/ .  You'll be able to install most of your tools,
and then a slight alteration to your user and root PATHs, and all of
your regular tools will be there for you.

-Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC 
 morej at alliancetechnologies.net 
 515-245-7701

>>> "Daniel A. Ramaley"  08/21/09 1:34 PM >>>
In the near future my involvement with Solaris will be increasing. I am 
very familiar with Linux (especially Red Hat and Debian and some of 
their immediate derivatives), and have worked a bit with Solaris 7, 8, 
and 9.

The earlier versions of Solaris seemed to me like a primitive Linux 
distro; the standard base utilities (even as basic as "ls" and "grep") 
sort-of worked but didn't have all the features i expect. Most system 
administration seemed standard Unix but the package management was 
light-years behind Linux. So i can usually figure out how to do things 
on Solaris 9 and earlier, though it is more convoluted than on Linux. 
Usually if i install a large collection of GNU ports from Sunfreeware 
then the system is sane enough that it isn't *too* difficult to work 
with...

Solaris 10 is a very different beast though. I need to learn it. The way

it does even such basic things as restarting services is unique (and 
both very fragile and rather opaque). And i know nothing about 
configuring zones. Any suggestions for Solaris 10 books or other 
learning materials, coming from a strong Linux or OpenBSD perspective?

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dan Ramaley                            Dial Center 118, Drake University
Network Programmer/Analyst             2407 Carpenter Ave
+1 515 271-4540                        Des Moines IA 50311 USA
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From tdwalton at gmail.com  Fri Aug 21 14:13:08 2009
From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:13:08 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Wow.
In-Reply-To: <4A8EBC97.8080709@digitaljeff.com>
References: 
	<4A8EBC97.8080709@digitaljeff.com>
Message-ID: 

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Jeff Davis wrote:
> 1) You will (and have) offended people on the list.

I apologize.  I was trying to think of a group that gets a
stereotypical rap for being cold-hearted.  I did not mean to offend,
but in retrospect I should have refrained.

--
Todd

From mrdovey at iedu.com  Fri Aug 21 14:17:17 2009
From: mrdovey at iedu.com (Morris Dovey)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:17:17 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Wow.
In-Reply-To: <4A8EBC97.8080709@digitaljeff.com>
References: 
	<4A8EBC97.8080709@digitaljeff.com>
Message-ID: <4A8EF2BD.3070306@iedu.com>

Jeff Davis wrote:
> Todd Walton wrote:
>> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,541221,00.html?test=latestnews
>>
>> Never had it myself, but I hear it's a delicacy among the Republican crowd...
>>   
> It's rarely a good idea to post comments like that.
> 
> 1) You will (and have) offended people on the list.
> 2) The list is archived, and 5 years from now you may be looking for a
> job or something
>     and Hiring Manager Patty googles your name, sees this, and thinks
> "Not such a good fit in our company."

I reluctantly agree, as some readers may be young and impressionable, 
still lacking the experience and knowledge that would allow them to 
exercise capable judgment and rational discretion between intended humor 
and serious declamation.

It is, of course, extraordinarily difficult to engage with nearly any 
sizable group of people without rubbing /someone's/ fur the wrong way on 
/some/ subject. The vi/emacs holy wars are a prime historical example of 
the idiocy of blind polarization. Fortunately, most of the participants 
survived, matured, and moved on to more productive discourse.

There /are/ those who go through life actively looking for things to 
which they might take offense, and they'll probably always be with us. 
Without doubt I would manage to offend /someone's/ sensibilities with a 
simple statement that my preferred programming language for the work I 
do is ISO/IEC Standard strictly-conforming C with POSIX extension use 
carefully isolated in separate and clearly identified TU's. 

Five decades of software/silicon/mechanical development have convinced 
me that if Patty's employers allow her to hire on any basis other than 
the best-available expertise to get the work done, then the candidate's 
interests will be better-served elsewhere. It's that simple - and yes, 
it does require the exercise of a certain amount of courage.

Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

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From dave at 58ghz.net  Fri Aug 21 14:33:58 2009
From: dave at 58ghz.net (Dave Hala Jr)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:33:58 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Wow.
In-Reply-To: <4A8EF2BD.3070306@iedu.com>
References: 
	<4A8EBC97.8080709@digitaljeff.com>  <4A8EF2BD.3070306@iedu.com>
Message-ID: <1250883238.3317.62.camel@localcentos5>

Life's too short to sweat the little things.

On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 14:17 -0500, Morris Dovey wrote:
> Jeff Davis wrote:
> > Todd Walton wrote:
> >> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,541221,00.html?test=latestnews
> >>
> >> Never had it myself, but I hear it's a delicacy among the Republican crowd...
> >>   
> > It's rarely a good idea to post comments like that.
> > 
> > 1) You will (and have) offended people on the list.
> > 2) The list is archived, and 5 years from now you may be looking for a
> > job or something
> >     and Hiring Manager Patty googles your name, sees this, and thinks
> > "Not such a good fit in our company."
> 
> I reluctantly agree, as some readers may be young and impressionable, 
> still lacking the experience and knowledge that would allow them to 
> exercise capable judgment and rational discretion between intended humor 
> and serious declamation.
> 
> It is, of course, extraordinarily difficult to engage with nearly any 
> sizable group of people without rubbing /someone's/ fur the wrong way on 
> /some/ subject. The vi/emacs holy wars are a prime historical example of 
> the idiocy of blind polarization. Fortunately, most of the participants 
> survived, matured, and moved on to more productive discourse.
> 
> There /are/ those who go through life actively looking for things to 
> which they might take offense, and they'll probably always be with us. 
> Without doubt I would manage to offend /someone's/ sensibilities with a 
> simple statement that my preferred programming language for the work I 
> do is ISO/IEC Standard strictly-conforming C with POSIX extension use 
> carefully isolated in separate and clearly identified TU's. 
> 
> Five decades of software/silicon/mechanical development have convinced 
> me that if Patty's employers allow her to hire on any basis other than 
> the best-available expertise to get the work done, then the candidate's 
> interests will be better-served elsewhere. It's that simple - and yes, 
> it does require the exercise of a certain amount of courage.
> 
> Morris Dovey
> DeSoto Solar
> DeSoto, Iowa USA
> http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug

From samkolars at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 21 14:50:44 2009
From: samkolars at yahoo.com (Sam Kolars)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:50:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Cialug] Wow.
In-Reply-To: <1250883238.3317.62.camel@localcentos5>
References: 
	<4A8EBC97.8080709@digitaljeff.com> <4A8EF2BD.3070306@iedu.com>
	<1250883238.3317.62.camel@localcentos5>
Message-ID: <138668.613.qm@web51605.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

C'mon, Dave.  You couldn't find a way to say that in multiple paragraphs??  :-)  Short, sweet, my style.  Thank you.

----- Original Message ----
From: Dave Hala Jr 
To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group 
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 2:33:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Cialug] Wow.

Life's too short to sweat the little things.

On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 14:17 -0500, Morris Dovey wrote:
> Jeff Davis wrote:
> > Todd Walton wrote:
> >> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,541221,00.html?test=latestnews
> >>
> >> Never had it myself, but I hear it's a delicacy among the Republican crowd...
> >>  
> > It's rarely a good idea to post comments like that.
> > 
> > 1) You will (and have) offended people on the list.
> > 2) The list is archived, and 5 years from now you may be looking for a
> > job or something
> >     and Hiring Manager Patty googles your name, sees this, and thinks
> > "Not such a good fit in our company."
> 
> I reluctantly agree, as some readers may be young and impressionable, 
> still lacking the experience and knowledge that would allow them to 
> exercise capable judgment and rational discretion between intended humor 
> and serious declamation.
> 
> It is, of course, extraordinarily difficult to engage with nearly any 
> sizable group of people without rubbing /someone's/ fur the wrong way on 
> /some/ subject. The vi/emacs holy wars are a prime historical example of 
> the idiocy of blind polarization. Fortunately, most of the participants 
> survived, matured, and moved on to more productive discourse.
> 
> There /are/ those who go through life actively looking for things to 
> which they might take offense, and they'll probably always be with us. 
> Without doubt I would manage to offend /someone's/ sensibilities with a 
> simple statement that my preferred programming language for the work I 
> do is ISO/IEC Standard strictly-conforming C with POSIX extension use 
> carefully isolated in separate and clearly identified TU's. 
> 
> Five decades of software/silicon/mechanical development have convinced 
> me that if Patty's employers allow her to hire on any basis other than 
> the best-available expertise to get the work done, then the candidate's 
> interests will be better-served elsewhere. It's that simple - and yes, 
> it does require the exercise of a certain amount of courage.
> 
> Morris Dovey
> DeSoto Solar
> DeSoto, Iowa USA
> http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug

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From jerry at heiselman.com  Fri Aug 21 18:10:31 2009
From: jerry at heiselman.com (Jerry Heiselman)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 18:10:31 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] [OT] Solaris books
In-Reply-To: <200908211334.39218.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
References: <200908211334.39218.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
Message-ID: <45a88bbd0908211610n77824d5q91377d5f3492b1e1@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Daniel A. Ramaley  wrote:

> The earlier versions of Solaris seemed to me like a primitive Linux
> distro; the standard base utilities (even as basic as "ls" and "grep")
>  sort-of worked but didn't have all the features i expect.

That's because Sun writes their own versions and doesn't leverage the great
utilities from the GNU project.
Don't know why.

> Most system administration seemed standard Unix but the package management
> was
> light-years behind Linux.

No kidding.  I was a Solaris admin for a few years and when I started using
apt I was blown away.

>
> Usually if i install a large collection of GNU ports from Sunfreeware
> then the system is sane enough that it isn't *too* difficult to work
>  with...

 That's the typical way of handling Solaris.  There is also the CSW stuff
from blastwave.org.  They provide an apt-inspired package managed system for
Solaris.

-- 
Jerry
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From jerry at heiselman.com  Fri Aug 21 18:14:18 2009
From: jerry at heiselman.com (Jerry Heiselman)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 18:14:18 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Wow.
In-Reply-To: <4A8EF2BD.3070306@iedu.com>
References: 
	<4A8EBC97.8080709@digitaljeff.com> <4A8EF2BD.3070306@iedu.com>
Message-ID: <45a88bbd0908211614w463015clbb2d2d7cb317fd04@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Morris Dovey  wrote:

> The vi/emacs holy wars are a prime historical example of the idiocy of
> blind polarization. Fortunately, most of the participants survived, matured,
> and moved on to more productive discourse.

And we all decided that vi was far better anyway!  :) (let the flame-wars
commence)

> Without doubt I would manage to offend /someone's/ sensibilities with a
> simple statement that my preferred programming language for the work I do is
> ISO/IEC Standard strictly-conforming C with POSIX extension use carefully
> isolated in separate and clearly identified TU's. 

Wow, thought I was the only one.

-- 
Jerry
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From tim_linux at wilson-home.com  Fri Aug 21 19:54:27 2009
From: tim_linux at wilson-home.com (Tim Wilson)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:54:27 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Wow.
In-Reply-To: <4A8EF2BD.3070306@iedu.com>
References: 
	<4A8EBC97.8080709@digitaljeff.com> <4A8EF2BD.3070306@iedu.com>
Message-ID: <5a9568c20908211754p22447e3g1ea86e015febaa9@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Morris Dovey  wrote:

> Jeff Davis wrote:
>
>> Todd Walton wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,541221,00.html?test=latestnews
>>>
>>> Never had it myself, but I hear it's a delicacy among the Republican
>>> crowd...
>>>
>>>
>> It's rarely a good idea to post comments like that.
>>
>> 1) You will (and have) offended people on the list.
>> 2) The list is archived, and 5 years from now you may be looking for a
>> job or something
>>    and Hiring Manager Patty googles your name, sees this, and thinks
>> "Not such a good fit in our company."
>>
>
> I reluctantly agree, as some readers may be young and impressionable, still
> lacking the experience and knowledge that would allow them to exercise
> capable judgment and rational discretion between intended humor and serious
> declamation.
>
> It is, of course, extraordinarily difficult to engage with nearly any
> sizable group of people without rubbing /someone's/ fur the wrong way on
> /some/ subject. The vi/emacs holy wars are a prime historical example of the
> idiocy of blind polarization. Fortunately, most of the participants
> survived, matured, and moved on to more productive discourse.

I bit my tongue after the original post, but clearly, this is not going to
die.  There is a HUGE difference between a vi/emacs holy war and the
original statement.  The statement was very inflammatory.  The statement
basically accused a large section of the country of eating babies.  That,
sir, is quite different than what editor is the best editor.  I wonder what
the response would've been if MSNBC had reported it instead of FOX News.

>
> There /are/ those who go through life actively looking for things to which
> they might take offense, and they'll probably always be with us. Without
> doubt I would manage to offend /someone's/ sensibilities with a simple
> statement that my preferred programming language for the work I do is
> ISO/IEC Standard strictly-conforming C with POSIX extension use carefully
> isolated in separate and clearly identified TU's. 
>
> Five decades of software/silicon/mechanical development have convinced me
> that if Patty's employers allow her to hire on any basis other than the
> best-available expertise to get the work done, then the candidate's
> interests will be better-served elsewhere. It's that simple - and yes, it
> does require the exercise of a certain amount of courage.
>
>
> Morris Dovey
> DeSoto Solar
> DeSoto, Iowa USA
> http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
>

-- 
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From barry at vonahsen.com  Fri Aug 21 20:06:30 2009
From: barry at vonahsen.com (Barry Von Ahsen)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:06:30 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] [OT] Solaris books
In-Reply-To: <45a88bbd0908211610n77824d5q91377d5f3492b1e1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200908211334.39218.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
	<45a88bbd0908211610n77824d5q91377d5f3492b1e1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A8F4496.2000401@vonahsen.com>

Jerry Heiselman wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Daniel A. Ramaley > wrote:
> 
>> The earlier versions of Solaris seemed to me like a primitive Linux
>> distro; the standard base utilities (even as basic as "ls" and "grep")
>>  sort-of worked but didn't have all the features i expect.
> 
> 
> That's because Sun writes their own versions and doesn't leverage the great
> utilities from the GNU project.
> Don't know why.

to be fair, solaris isn't like linux, because it's not linux, it's unix 
(and I'm sure many old-timers will even decry it's deviation from/since 
SysV)

and to Dan's original statment, many gray beards dislike the GNU tools 
not acting like they expect (usually about GNU tar)

-barry, not trying to be contrary, just relativistic

From thiessenstuart at aol.com  Fri Aug 21 21:09:14 2009
From: thiessenstuart at aol.com (Stuart Thiessen)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:09:14 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Wow.
In-Reply-To: <4A8EF2BD.3070306@iedu.com>
References: 
	<4A8EBC97.8080709@digitaljeff.com> <4A8EF2BD.3070306@iedu.com>
Message-ID: <522F24D2-E94F-496D-9719-32BFB589ED41@aol.com>

On Aug 21, 2009, at 14:17 , Morris Dovey wrote:

> Jeff Davis wrote:
>> Todd Walton wrote:
>>> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,541221,00.html?test=latestnews
>>>
>>> Never had it myself, but I hear it's a delicacy among the  
>>> Republican crowd...
>>>
>> It's rarely a good idea to post comments like that.
>> 1) You will (and have) offended people on the list.
>> 2) The list is archived, and 5 years from now you may be looking  
>> for a
>> job or something
>>    and Hiring Manager Patty googles your name, sees this, and thinks
>> "Not such a good fit in our company."
>
> I reluctantly agree, as some readers may be young and  
> impressionable, still lacking the experience and knowledge that  
> would allow them to exercise capable judgment and rational  
> discretion between intended humor and serious declamation.
>
> It is, of course, extraordinarily difficult to engage with nearly  
> any sizable group of people without rubbing /someone's/ fur the  
> wrong way on /some/ subject. The vi/emacs holy wars are a prime  
> historical example of the idiocy of blind polarization. Fortunately,  
> most of the participants survived, matured, and moved on to more  
> productive discourse.
>
> There /are/ those who go through life actively looking for things to  
> which they might take offense, and they'll probably always be with  
> us. Without doubt I would manage to offend /someone's/ sensibilities  
> with a simple statement that my preferred programming language for  
> the work I do is ISO/IEC Standard strictly-conforming C with POSIX  
> extension use carefully isolated in separate and clearly identified  
> TU's. 
>
> Five decades of software/silicon/mechanical development have  
> convinced me that if Patty's employers allow her to hire on any  
> basis other than the best-available expertise to get the work done,  
> then the candidate's interests will be better-served elsewhere. It's  
> that simple - and yes, it does require the exercise of a certain  
> amount of courage.
>
> Morris Dovey
> DeSoto Solar
> DeSoto, Iowa USA
> http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug

No offense, Morris, but I disagree that it is a sign of immaturity to  
be disgusted by a slur to a group of people who quite obviously would  
not eat babies. I think the original post reflects the current trend  
of treating opponents with disrespect and insulting innuendo as a form  
of "humor". I find it crass, illogical, unnecessary, and unhelpful in  
encouraging intelligent discourse. You may say that I lack a sense of  
humor. On the contrary, I have a very healthy sense of humor. I simply  
have no use for insults or demeaning comments that only tear a person  
down.

For example, I have personally been rather disgusted at the level of  
communication by most people who post to political articles. Both  
sides are very immature and lacking in politeness, respect, and  
intelligent discussion. Instead comments similar to the original post  
here are exchanged and slur after slur are exchanged about the general  
intelligence of the opposition. Simultaneously, they proclaim how  
intelligent their own postings are. I sigh and move on to another  
page. This is true of both sides.

Originally, I was not planning to respond, but since others have  
commented, I felt I should at least have my say. I was hoping that  
this list would be above such nonsense, but I guess not. I would ask  
that similar postings in the future be avoided. It really doesn't  
contribute to the discussion in the political arena and it certainly  
is not germane to Linux or Linux-related topics.

No offense, Todd. I understand from your point of view why you might  
post it, but this is my personal opinion about it.

Thanks,

Stuart

From kristau at gmail.com  Fri Aug 21 21:27:06 2009
From: kristau at gmail.com (kristau)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:27:06 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Wow.
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <3effba680908211927k4d44c5d3y673675308c39780b@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Todd Walton wrote:
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,541221,00.html?test=latestnews
>
> Never had it myself, but I hear it's a delicacy among the Republican crowd...
>
> --
> Todd

In a (probably vain) attempt to diffuse this situation, I present the following:

1) Republicans would actually be more likely to accuse Democrats of
eating babies, since the Republican platform is Pro-Life and the
Democrat platform is Pro-Choice.
2) The gag itself drew upon Jonathan Swift's "A Modest Proposal"
(http://www.gutenberg.org/files/1080/1080.txt).
3) To quote Fat Bastard, "Well, listen up, sonny Jim: I ate a baby.
Oh, aye, Baby: the other, other white meat. Baby: it's what's for
dinner."

-- 
Tired programmer
Coding late into the night
The core dump follows

From jerry at heiselman.com  Fri Aug 21 21:31:03 2009
From: jerry at heiselman.com (Jerry Heiselman)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:31:03 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] [OT] Solaris books
In-Reply-To: <4A8F4496.2000401@vonahsen.com>
References: <200908211334.39218.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
	<45a88bbd0908211610n77824d5q91377d5f3492b1e1@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A8F4496.2000401@vonahsen.com>
Message-ID: <45a88bbd0908211931t446399b5m9dec63fc3376b379@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Barry Von Ahsen  wrote:
>
> to be fair, solaris isn't like linux, because it's not linux, it's unix
> (and I'm sure many old-timers will even decry it's deviation from/since
> SysV)
>

Yeah, but even AIX and HP-UX have embraced the GNU toolset.  It comes
standard on both Unices.

-- 
Jerry
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From mrdovey at iedu.com  Sat Aug 22 00:31:25 2009
From: mrdovey at iedu.com (Morris Dovey)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 00:31:25 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Wow.
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Tim Wilson wrote:

> I bit my tongue after the original post, but clearly, this is not going 
> to die.  There is a HUGE difference between a vi/emacs holy war and the 
> original statement.  The statement was very inflammatory.  The statement 
> basically accused a large section of the country of eating babies.  
> That, sir, is quite different than what editor is the best editor.  I 
> wonder what the response would've been if MSNBC had reported it instead 
> of FOX News.

By now I wish I'd bit my tongue, too. :)

I took the remark as intended humor, and as if transposed from the 
context of Swift's 1729 satirical essay "A Modest Proposal" to the Sears 
web page.*

Recalling the number of times Godwin's Law was invoked in various usenet 
discussions of vi and emacs, and how ridiculously inflamed some people 
became, /I/ see a rather marked similarity.

-----

* Anyone who managed to sneak through school without reading Swift's 
short essay can find it at

    http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html

The literature/history-impaired may find the footnote reassuring, and 
I'm sure there's a definition of "satire" in every dictionary.

FWIW, I don't get my news (or my opinions) from either Fox or MSNBC.

Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

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From mrdovey at iedu.com  Sat Aug 22 01:05:59 2009
From: mrdovey at iedu.com (Morris Dovey)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 01:05:59 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Wow.
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Jeff Davis wrote:
> 
> Morris Dovey wrote:
>> I reluctantly agree, as some readers may be young and impressionable,
>> still lacking the experience and knowledge that would allow them to
>> exercise capable judgment and rational discretion between intended
>> humor and serious declamation.
>>
> Intended humor can still be offensive. e.g. I could tell a racist joke
> and intend humor while still being offensive.

True - a valid point. If you do that (or something comparable) I might
wake up and let you know that I found it offensive. It'd be arrogant of
me to stand in judgment of your PCness.

> Also email is not a very effective medium for communicating sarcasm,
> which is often used in a humorous context.

Agreed. My solution is to try to remain alert to the possibility of
humor and/or sarcasm. It's not a 100% solution, but it seems to work
most of the time.

>> It is, of course, extraordinarily difficult to engage with nearly any
>> sizable group of people without rubbing /someone's/ fur the wrong way
>> on /some/ subject. The vi/emacs holy wars are a prime historical
>> example of the idiocy of blind polarization. Fortunately, most of the
>> participants survived, matured, and moved on to more productive
>> discourse.
>>
> I somewhat disagree.  As in this case the audience has a common
> interest.  Personally I would not be offended by anyone's stance on
> given platform, utility, or programming language.  Especially since such
> things are intended to be discussed within the context of the group.  In
> this case I wasn't as offended by the comment, so much as the disregard
> of the etiquette of the forum.

Aaah - I misinterpreted your response as an objection to the specifics
of the political reference rather than to the more general inclusion of
political subject matter.

>> Five decades of software/silicon/mechanical development have convinced
>> me that if Patty's employers allow her to hire on any basis other than
>> the best-available expertise to get the work done, then the
>> candidate's interests will be better-served elsewhere. It's that
>> simple - and yes, it does require the exercise of a certain amount of
>> courage.
>>
> I used to think that as well.  However, I have seen where someone may be
> very strong technically, but lack in communication and interpersonal
> skills that cause severe problems in business.  These types of issues
> become worse if the person is in a management position.  So if the
> person throws a project off the timeline because they can't communicate
> well and/or work with other team members, pisses off customers, or has a
> pattern of poor judgement with co-workers that ends up with HR being
> involved, then those things are very much relevant.

Yuppers. Putting such people in management positions /is/ damaging, and
is indicative of already seriously-flawed management higher up the
chain. At the design/implementation level, though, my personal
preference is for putting up with the all the possible wartiness of
truly competent people over trying to carry/drag even the most amiable
incompetents to project success - probably a result of spending most of
my career developing "mission critical" systems (one of which, TIROS-N,
is now in its fourth decade of [please pardon the pun] uptime).

> Personally, I'm pretty laid back and rarely offended.  I was just hoping
> to point poor Todd in a better direction.  We all make mistakes and I would
> be very hesitate to judge anyone on a single act.

Sounds good to me.

Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

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From mrdovey at iedu.com  Sat Aug 22 02:50:02 2009
From: mrdovey at iedu.com (Morris Dovey)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 02:50:02 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Wow.
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Stuart Thiessen wrote:

> No offense, Morris, but I disagree that it is a sign of immaturity to  
> be disgusted by a slur to a group of people who quite obviously would  
> not eat babies. I think the original post reflects the current trend  
> of treating opponents with disrespect and insulting innuendo as a form  
> of "humor". I find it crass, illogical, unnecessary, and unhelpful in  
> encouraging intelligent discourse. You may say that I lack a sense of  
> humor. On the contrary, I have a very healthy sense of humor. I simply  
> have no use for insults or demeaning comments that only tear a person  
> down.

No offense taken. Obviously I didn't read it as you did - and I didn't 
interpret it as a slur (and would still not have taken it as a slur if, 
instead of "Republican" he'd said "Iowan" or "programmer") - since I 
recognized it as fiction.

> For example, I have personally been rather disgusted at the level of  
> communication by most people who post to political articles. Both  
> sides are very immature and lacking in politeness, respect, and  
> intelligent discussion. Instead comments similar to the original post  
> here are exchanged and slur after slur are exchanged about the general  
> intelligence of the opposition. Simultaneously, they proclaim how  
> intelligent their own postings are. I sigh and move on to another  
> page. This is true of both sides.

We're in agreement here, but I don't take seriously what I see as 
intended humor - any more than I do when my Minnesota friends tell Iowa 
jokes. I confess to being a bit mystified by all this ouchiness.

> Originally, I was not planning to respond, but since others have  
> commented, I felt I should at least have my say. I was hoping that  
> this list would be above such nonsense, but I guess not. I would ask  
> that similar postings in the future be avoided. It really doesn't  
> contribute to the discussion in the political arena and it certainly  
> is not germane to Linux or Linux-related topics.

Ok, though I'll miss the occasional humorous posts and some of the 
non-Linux systems/computer posts. Some of the assistance I've received 
with XP problems has been most helpful. To think I'd been wishing that 
my Solaris network programming experience was more recent so I could 
help in that thread.

My apologies for offending your political sensibilities.

I assure you that I did not intend to insult, demean, or tear you down - 
but I will admit that you've got me wondering...

Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

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From thiessenstuart at aol.com  Sat Aug 22 11:05:50 2009
From: thiessenstuart at aol.com (Stuart Thiessen)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 11:05:50 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Wow.
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On Aug 22, 2009, at 02:50 , Morris Dovey wrote:

> Ok, though I'll miss the occasional humorous posts and some of the  
> non-Linux systems/computer posts. Some of the assistance I've  
> received with XP problems has been most helpful. To think I'd been  
> wishing that my Solaris network programming experience was more  
> recent so I could help in that thread.
>
> My apologies for offending your political sensibilities.
>
> I assure you that I did not intend to insult, demean, or tear you  
> down - but I will admit that you've got me wondering...

Your comment was not in view, but the original post was what I was  
responding to. Your response prompted my response. And, yes, I am  
aware of Jonathan Swift's writings from school. I personally would not  
equate the original post (or its link) with Swift's writings. Swift's  
satire served a purpose to point out flaws in people's thinking. The  
original post or its link did not use satire for a helpful purpose.

Let me add. If political climate were such that we had intelligent and  
respectful dialogue about political issues, I would likely have passed  
it by as attempted humor (though how grilling babies can even be humor  
is quite beyond me). But given the current political climate, I was  
quite tired of these kinds of statements (by both sides of the  
political spectrum). It was too much. That was all. I don't have  
anything more to add to this discussion. I hope you all understand.

From adk at 52761.com  Sat Aug 22 11:07:02 2009
From: adk at 52761.com (Allen Kiddoo)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 11:07:02 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Wow.
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Decisiveness is quite the current trend of the news day. Opinions
reflected on this thread reveal how fragile the collective conscience
is. I want to thank everyone for confirming my suspicions. rm -f
/congress *

Allen Kiddoo

On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 2:50 AM, Morris Dovey wrote:
> Stuart Thiessen wrote:
>
>> No offense, Morris, but I disagree that it is a sign of immaturity to ?be
>> disgusted by a slur to a group of people who quite obviously would ?not eat
>> babies. I think the original post reflects the current trend ?of treating
>> opponents with disrespect and insulting innuendo as a form ?of "humor". I
>> find it crass, illogical, unnecessary, and unhelpful in ?encouraging
>> intelligent discourse. You may say that I lack a sense of ?humor. On the
>> contrary, I have a very healthy sense of humor. I simply ?have no use for
>> insults or demeaning comments that only tear a person ?down.
>
> No offense taken. Obviously I didn't read it as you did - and I didn't
> interpret it as a slur (and would still not have taken it as a slur if,
> instead of "Republican" he'd said "Iowan" or "programmer") - since I
> recognized it as fiction.
>
>> For example, I have personally been rather disgusted at the level of
>> ?communication by most people who post to political articles. Both ?sides
>> are very immature and lacking in politeness, respect, and ?intelligent
>> discussion. Instead comments similar to the original post ?here are
>> exchanged and slur after slur are exchanged about the general ?intelligence
>> of the opposition. Simultaneously, they proclaim how ?intelligent their own
>> postings are. I sigh and move on to another ?page. This is true of both
>> sides.
>
> We're in agreement here, but I don't take seriously what I see as intended
> humor - any more than I do when my Minnesota friends tell Iowa jokes. I
> confess to being a bit mystified by all this ouchiness.
>
>> Originally, I was not planning to respond, but since others have
>> ?commented, I felt I should at least have my say. I was hoping that ?this
>> list would be above such nonsense, but I guess not. I would ask ?that
>> similar postings in the future be avoided. It really doesn't ?contribute to
>> the discussion in the political arena and it certainly ?is not germane to
>> Linux or Linux-related topics.
>
> Ok, though I'll miss the occasional humorous posts and some of the non-Linux
> systems/computer posts. Some of the assistance I've received with XP
> problems has been most helpful. To think I'd been wishing that my Solaris
> network programming experience was more recent so I could help in that
> thread.
>
> My apologies for offending your political sensibilities.
>
> I assure you that I did not intend to insult, demean, or tear you down - but
> I will admit that you've got me wondering...
>
> Morris Dovey
> DeSoto Solar
> DeSoto, Iowa USA
> http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
>
>
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>

From thiessenstuart at aol.com  Sat Aug 22 14:31:22 2009
From: thiessenstuart at aol.com (Stuart Thiessen)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 14:31:22 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Wow.
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Hmm. Well, if y'all feel fine with that kind of humor, then by all  
means, proceed. I'll refrain from commenting on such posts in the  
future.

Thanks,

Stuart

On Aug 22, 2009, at 11:07 , Allen Kiddoo wrote:

> Decisiveness is quite the current trend of the news day. Opinions
> reflected on this thread reveal how fragile the collective conscience
> is. I want to thank everyone for confirming my suspicions. rm -f
> /congress *
>
> Allen Kiddoo
>
> On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 2:50 AM, Morris Dovey wrote:
>> Stuart Thiessen wrote:
>>
>>> No offense, Morris, but I disagree that it is a sign of immaturity  
>>> to  be
>>> disgusted by a slur to a group of people who quite obviously  
>>> would  not eat
>>> babies. I think the original post reflects the current trend  of  
>>> treating
>>> opponents with disrespect and insulting innuendo as a form  of  
>>> "humor". I
>>> find it crass, illogical, unnecessary, and unhelpful in  encouraging
>>> intelligent discourse. You may say that I lack a sense of  humor.  
>>> On the
>>> contrary, I have a very healthy sense of humor. I simply  have no  
>>> use for
>>> insults or demeaning comments that only tear a person  down.
>>
>> No offense taken. Obviously I didn't read it as you did - and I  
>> didn't
>> interpret it as a slur (and would still not have taken it as a slur  
>> if,
>> instead of "Republican" he'd said "Iowan" or "programmer") - since I
>> recognized it as fiction.
>>
>>> For example, I have personally been rather disgusted at the level of
>>>  communication by most people who post to political articles.  
>>> Both  sides
>>> are very immature and lacking in politeness, respect, and   
>>> intelligent
>>> discussion. Instead comments similar to the original post  here are
>>> exchanged and slur after slur are exchanged about the general   
>>> intelligence
>>> of the opposition. Simultaneously, they proclaim how  intelligent  
>>> their own
>>> postings are. I sigh and move on to another  page. This is true of  
>>> both
>>> sides.
>>
>> We're in agreement here, but I don't take seriously what I see as  
>> intended
>> humor - any more than I do when my Minnesota friends tell Iowa  
>> jokes. I
>> confess to being a bit mystified by all this ouchiness.
>>
>>> Originally, I was not planning to respond, but since others have
>>>  commented, I felt I should at least have my say. I was hoping  
>>> that  this
>>> list would be above such nonsense, but I guess not. I would ask   
>>> that
>>> similar postings in the future be avoided. It really doesn't   
>>> contribute to
>>> the discussion in the political arena and it certainly  is not  
>>> germane to
>>> Linux or Linux-related topics.
>>
>> Ok, though I'll miss the occasional humorous posts and some of the  
>> non-Linux
>> systems/computer posts. Some of the assistance I've received with XP
>> problems has been most helpful. To think I'd been wishing that my  
>> Solaris
>> network programming experience was more recent so I could help in  
>> that
>> thread.
>>
>> My apologies for offending your political sensibilities.
>>
>> I assure you that I did not intend to insult, demean, or tear you  
>> down - but
>> I will admit that you've got me wondering...
>>
>> Morris Dovey
>> DeSoto Solar
>> DeSoto, Iowa USA
>> http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cialug mailing list
>> Cialug at cialug.org
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>
>>
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From morej at alliancetechnologies.net  Sat Aug 22 15:25:05 2009
From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 15:25:05 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Meetings in September
Message-ID: <4A900DD10200002E0003718B@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>

I mentioned this at the meeting last week, but wanted to drop a note to
everyone so you can all get these on your calendar if you are
interested.

First of all, our regularly-scheduled meeting will be on the 16th.  The
topic will be virtualization on/in Linux.  I know that those of us that
are particularly interested in virtualization tend to come to VUG
meetings, but I think it would be good for us to have a quick recap of
virtualization technologies in the Linux world.  If anyone wants to talk
about / give a demo on any of the following, please contact me off-list:

* Xen
* KVM
* VMWare
* Wine
* QEMU
* Eucalyptus

Secondly, and perhaps more interestingly, we will have a bonus meeting. 
On September 23rd, Jeffrey Barr (Senior Evangelist for the Amazon Web
Services) will be giving us a talk on Amazon Web Services -- EC2, S3,
SimpleDB, and so forth.  He is also working on a book on tying into the
Amazon system using PHP, so if there is interest, we may tie that in to
the meeting as well.  This meeting will be at 7:00 PM at Alliance, just
like the regular meetings.

Jeffrey is also willing to meet with people during day on the 23rd, if
the time/location do not work for you.  If you want a separate meeting,
let me know off-list and I will give you his contact info.

This is a multi-group meeting, so please feel free to bring anyone
interested and to pass this message along to others.

-Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC 
 morej at alliancetechnologies.net 
 515-245-7701

From tom at tcpconsulting.com  Sat Aug 22 18:02:11 2009
From: tom at tcpconsulting.com (Tom Pohl)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 18:02:11 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Nokia N900 Linux Phone
In-Reply-To: <4A8EC1E5.8010600@dchamp.net>
References: <4A8EC1E5.8010600@dchamp.net>
Message-ID: <04F88FF2-4EB2-4F0B-90A5-1730079D6F5F@tcpconsulting.com>

I'm sending this message from my iPod touch through my Pre over wifi  
from rural Wisconsin while my Nokia n800 downloads satellite maps and  
my wife googles local attractions!

I had Bluetooth tethering working on my laptop the first day I had the  
phone (rooting the phone is straight forward). I now do wifi tethering  
with my-tether mostly because BT tethering was error prone.

-Tom

On Aug 21, 2009, at 10:48 AM, David Champion  wrote:

> Sounds like a Linux nerd's dream phone:
>
> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/08/21/1155217/Nokia-Leaks-Phone-With-Full-GNULinux-Distribution
>
> Have any of you with the Palm Pre phone messed around on the linux
> console yet? I've heard that you can do things like just set up a
> network route between the cell phone wireless interface, and the wifi
> chip or USB networking to create an AP, or tether your laptop.
>
> p.s. I read the linked article the other night... you can skip the  
> first
> several paragraphs. That guy is not my favorite tech writer.
>
> -dc
>
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From tdwalton at gmail.com  Sat Aug 22 18:57:50 2009
From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 18:57:50 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Wow.
In-Reply-To: <3535C6BD-F171-4EE8-AB0E-C9299D25B571@aol.com>
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	<4A8FA32A.6030405@iedu.com>
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Message-ID: 

On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Stuart Thiessen wrote:
> Your comment was not in view, but the original post was what I was
> responding to. Your response prompted my response. And, yes, I am
> aware of Jonathan Swift's writings from school. I personally would not
> equate the original post (or its link) with Swift's writings. Swift's
> satire served a purpose to point out flaws in people's thinking. The
> original post or its link did not use satire for a helpful purpose.
>
> Let me add. If political climate were such that we had intelligent and
> respectful dialogue about political issues, I would likely have passed
> it by as attempted humor (though how grilling babies can even be humor
> is quite beyond me). But given the current political climate, I was
> quite tired of these kinds of statements (by both sides of the
> political spectrum). It was too much. That was all. I don't have
> anything more to add to this discussion. I hope you all understand.

Just to clarify, my original post was not so much about Republicans or
even politics in general.  It was about the "news of the weird" type
story.  I don't aspire to Swift-ness.

--
Todd

From me at digitaljeff.com  Sat Aug 22 23:40:26 2009
From: me at digitaljeff.com (Jeff Davis)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 23:40:26 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Nokia N900 Linux Phone
In-Reply-To: <04F88FF2-4EB2-4F0B-90A5-1730079D6F5F@tcpconsulting.com>
References: <4A8EC1E5.8010600@dchamp.net>
	<04F88FF2-4EB2-4F0B-90A5-1730079D6F5F@tcpconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4A90C83A.4060807@digitaljeff.com>

Sounds like the camping trip is going well.

-Jeff

Tom Pohl wrote:
> I'm sending this message from my iPod touch through my Pre over wifi  
> from rural Wisconsin while my Nokia n800 downloads satellite maps and  
> my wife googles local attractions!
>
> I had Bluetooth tethering working on my laptop the first day I had the  
> phone (rooting the phone is straight forward). I now do wifi tethering  
> with my-tether mostly because BT tethering was error prone.
>
> -Tom
>
>
>
>   
>

From tdwalton at gmail.com  Sun Aug 23 10:24:40 2009
From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 10:24:40 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Meetings in September
In-Reply-To: <4A900DD10200002E0003718B@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
References: <4A900DD10200002E0003718B@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
Message-ID: 

On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Josh
More wrote:
> First of all, our regularly-scheduled meeting will be on the 16th. ?The
> topic will be virtualization on/in Linux. ?I know that those of us that
> are particularly interested in virtualization tend to come to VUG
> meetings, but I think it would be good for us to have a quick recap of
> virtualization technologies in the Linux world.

Exciting.  I have much interest.  I would especially like to hear
about KVM and Qemu.

--
Todd

From barry at vonahsen.com  Sun Aug 23 13:37:41 2009
From: barry at vonahsen.com (Barry Von Ahsen)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 13:37:41 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] free computers
Message-ID: <4A918C75.80902@vonahsen.com>

compaq dl360, 2x933 proc, 2gb ram, 1x18g 10k drives
compaq dl360, 2x933 proc, 1gb ram, 1x18g 10k drives
(these are the ones theron was giving away)
I've also got 2x18.2 10k, 3x18.2 7200, 2x9.2 10k drives for these, but 
no sleds

sony vaio pcg-8n1L laptop - 15", 1.8 celeron, xp - left screen hinge 
broke, so lcd doesn't work, vga out works fine - perfect otherwise, 
battery okay

poweredge 1300
http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/sgeck/sm/Intro.htm
I think dual 700 p3, maybe just single, no drives

I've also got 2 compaq alpha ds10s, I think both dual proc 600, both 1g
ram, only one power supply though

-barry

From barry at vonahsen.com  Sun Aug 23 19:44:54 2009
From: barry at vonahsen.com (Barry Von Ahsen)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 19:44:54 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] free computers
In-Reply-To: <4A918C75.80902@vonahsen.com>
References: <4A918C75.80902@vonahsen.com>
Message-ID: <4A91E286.2090401@vonahsen.com>

Barry Von Ahsen wrote:
> sony vaio pcg-8n1L laptop - 15", 1.8 celeron, xp - left screen hinge 
> broke, so lcd doesn't work, vga out works fine - perfect otherwise, 
> battery okay

I should say - the lcd is fine as far as I can tell, but because of the 
hinge, the connection to the mobo is flaky, and you can't use the lcd as 
the primary display

-barry

From lowmaine at mchsi.com  Mon Aug 24 18:53:35 2009
From: lowmaine at mchsi.com (Randle Boyd)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 23:53:35 +0000
Subject: [Cialug] OT- Mini Mac Form Factor PC
Message-ID: <082420092353.16718.4A9327FF000E17F10000414E223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A02070E03990104@mchsi.com>

Hello.  I have been lusting over the Mac Mini form factor for a while.  I did a little Googling on the Msc Mini/ mini ITX form factor motherboards and cases, but, most of the info is a couple of years old.  Evidently, netbooks have diminished some of the appeal for this form factor.

I'm sure someone on the list has built a PC/lightweight server utilizing this or a similar form factor and can give me with some specifics on parts and suppliers.

Cheers,
Randle
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From morej at alliancetechnologies.net  Mon Aug 24 19:11:51 2009
From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 19:11:51 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT- Mini Mac Form Factor PC
Message-ID: <4A92E5F70200002E000372C6@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>

Check out http://www.mini-box.com/site/index.html and
http://www.cappuccinopc.com/

-Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC 
 morej at alliancetechnologies.net 
 515-245-7701

>>> "Randle Boyd"  08/24/09 6:53 PM >>>
Hello.  I have been lusting over the Mac Mini form factor for a while. 
I did a little Googling on the Msc Mini/ mini ITX form factor
motherboards and cases, but, most of the info is a couple of years old. 
Evidently, netbooks have diminished some of the appeal for this form
factor.

I'm sure someone on the list has built a PC/lightweight server utilizing
this or a similar form factor and can give me with some specifics on
parts and suppliers.

Cheers,
Randle

From gray at cs.uni.edu  Mon Aug 24 19:13:26 2009
From: gray at cs.uni.edu (Paul Gray)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 19:13:26 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT- Mini Mac Form Factor PC
In-Reply-To: <082420092353.16718.4A9327FF000E17F10000414E223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A02070E03990104@mchsi.com>
References: <082420092353.16718.4A9327FF000E17F10000414E223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A02070E03990104@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <4A932CA6.7090204@cs.uni.edu>

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From morej at alliancetechnologies.net  Mon Aug 24 19:29:05 2009
From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 19:29:05 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] More MCHSI email pain
Message-ID: <4A92EA010200002E000372DB@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>

Does anyone have a contact for the email admins at mchsi.com?

They're being overly annoying with their blocking again.

Thanks,

-Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC 
 morej at alliancetechnologies.net 
 515-245-7701

From djweis at internetsolver.com  Mon Aug 24 19:34:35 2009
From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 19:34:35 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] More MCHSI email pain
In-Reply-To: <4A92EA010200002E000372DB@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
References: <4A92EA010200002E000372DB@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <4A93319B.5010109@internetsolver.com>

Josh More wrote:
> Does anyone have a contact for the email admins at mchsi.com?
> 
> They're being overly annoying with their blocking again.

We usually use the URL listed in the bounce message that goes to 
somewhere at att.net and after a few days to a couple weeks it magically 
starts working again.

-- 
Dave Weis
515-224-9229
djweis at internetsolver.com
http://www.internetsolver.com/
Please check out our Complete Support Service 
http://www.internetsolver.com/completesupport/

From chapinjeff at gmail.com  Mon Aug 24 22:45:14 2009
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:45:14 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT- Mini Mac Form Factor PC
In-Reply-To: <082420092353.16718.4A9327FF000E17F10000414E223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A02070E03990104@mchsi.com>
References: <082420092353.16718.4A9327FF000E17F10000414E223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A02070E03990104@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <4A935E4A.8000908@gmail.com>

I bought a minipc from Aopen, and filled that out. The board was based
on intel, and it worked great in  Linux.

Jeff

Randle Boyd wrote:
> Hello.  I have been lusting over the Mac Mini form factor for a
> while.  I did a little Googling on the Msc Mini/ mini ITX form factor
> motherboards and cases, but, most of the info is a couple of years
> old.  Evidently, netbooks have diminished some of the appeal for this
> form factor.
>
> I'm sure someone on the list has built a PC/lightweight server
> utilizing this or a similar form factor and can give me with some
> specifics on parts and suppliers.
>
> Cheers,
> Randle
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>   

From barry at vonahsen.com  Mon Aug 24 22:55:20 2009
From: barry at vonahsen.com (Barry Von Ahsen)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:55:20 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] [Fwd: Re:  LUG List Blocked]
Message-ID: <4A9360A8.4030300@vonahsen.com>

since the google machine seems to be failing:

-barry

2008-05-09:
  I had to do it a couple of days ago for another server,
and had a hell of a time finding the url - it's
http://worldnet.att.net/general-info/mail_info/block_admin.html for the
google machine

From me at digitaljeff.com  Mon Aug 24 23:47:45 2009
From: me at digitaljeff.com (Jeff Davis)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 23:47:45 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] [Fwd: Re:  LUG List Blocked]
In-Reply-To: <4A9360A8.4030300@vonahsen.com>
References: <4A9360A8.4030300@vonahsen.com>
Message-ID: <4A936CF1.3040507@digitaljeff.com>

Hmmm..... a search string of:  att email block 550
on bing.com gets you what you want listed second in the results.
The same string on google doesn't even have it in the first page.

I still use google as my primary, but lately I've been testing the
result set returned at the MS engine.

-Jeff

Barry Von Ahsen wrote:
> since the google machine seems to be failing:
>
> -barry
>
>
> 2008-05-09:
>   I had to do it a couple of days ago for another server,
> and had a hell of a time finding the url - it's
> http://worldnet.att.net/general-info/mail_info/block_admin.html for the
> google machine
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
>   

From newz at bearfruit.org  Tue Aug 25 00:09:56 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:09:56 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Bing
Message-ID: 

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Jeff Davis  wrote:

> Hmmm..... a search string of:  att email block 550
> on bing.com gets you what you want listed second in the results.
> The same string on google doesn't even have it in the first page.
>
> I still use google as my primary, but lately I've been testing the
> result set returned at the MS engine.
>

There is a lot of good discussion on this lately. Some of the techniques and
algorithms being used (presumably) are a bit controversial but it boils down
to the simple conclusion that MS has decided to get competitive and is
putting some excitement back into the world of search.

(the controversial stuff is that Bing suposedly optimizes for search queries
that have high value for advertisers and markets)

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
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From dave at dchamp.net  Tue Aug 25 09:25:14 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:25:14 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT- Mini Mac Form Factor PC
In-Reply-To: <4A935E4A.8000908@gmail.com>
References: <082420092353.16718.4A9327FF000E17F10000414E223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A02070E03990104@mchsi.com>
	<4A935E4A.8000908@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A93F44A.1020502@dchamp.net>

Depending on your needs, these Asus eee box, it's essentially a netbook 
with the Atom processor. Low powered, reviews say it can't handle 
pumping out 1080p video.

http://event.asus.com/eeepc/microsites/eeebox/en/index.html

Dell is also coming out with the "Zino HD", which may be a bit more 
high-powered.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/dells-zino-hd-crams-desktop-parts-into-miniature-enclosure/

-dc

Jeff Chapin wrote:
> I bought a minipc from Aopen, and filled that out. The board was based
> on intel, and it worked great in  Linux.
>
> Jeff
>
> Randle Boyd wrote:
>   
>> Hello.  I have been lusting over the Mac Mini form factor for a
>> while.  I did a little Googling on the Msc Mini/ mini ITX form factor
>> motherboards and cases, but, most of the info is a couple of years
>> old.  Evidently, netbooks have diminished some of the appeal for this
>> form factor.
>>
>> I'm sure someone on the list has built a PC/lightweight server
>> utilizing this or a similar form factor and can give me with some
>> specifics on parts and suppliers.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Randle
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cialug mailing list
>> Cialug at cialug.org
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>   
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
>   

From daniel.ramaley at drake.edu  Tue Aug 25 10:22:47 2009
From: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu (Daniel A. Ramaley)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:22:47 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] More MCHSI email pain
In-Reply-To: <20090825002820.EDCBF1BC04E5_A933024B@pureapp01.drake.edu>
References: <20090825002820.EDCBF1BC04E5_A933024B@pureapp01.drake.edu>
Message-ID: <200908251022.47944.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>

On 2009-08-24 at 19:29:05, Josh More wrote:
>They're being overly annoying with their blocking again.

*Again*? Is that to imply that they ever _stopped_ being annoying with 
their blocking?

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dan Ramaley                            Dial Center 118, Drake University
Network Programmer/Analyst             2407 Carpenter Ave
+1 515 271-4540                        Des Moines IA 50311 USA

From morej at alliancetechnologies.net  Tue Aug 25 11:11:34 2009
From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:11:34 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Job Opening - Linux Admin
Message-ID: <4A93C6E70200002E0003732E@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>

This job is NOT at Alliance Technologies.  I am posting on behalf of
Melissa.

----------
Midwest Technical Solutions is looking for a RedHat Linux Administrator
for a full time opportunity in the Des Moines, IA area.
Position responsibilities include:

   * engineering, upgrading, troubleshooting and tuning all RedHat Linux
and Sun Solaris systems,
   * configuring, allocating, and managing disk space as needed with the
SAN,
   * building and supporting disaster recovery initiatives as well as
participating in scheduled exercises,
   * providing capacity planning and trending analysis of the SAN and
Solaris/RedHat systems,
   * providing technical expertise on projects that support key
initiatives within the company,
   * providing 3rd level support of all Red Hat and Solaris systems.

This is a full time position with a competitive salary and an awesome
benefit package.

If interested in hearing more, please contact Melissa at
Melissa at midwesttechnicalsolutions.com or at 515.453.2314.
----------

-Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC 
 morej at alliancetechnologies.net 
 515-245-7701

From nightwingbatcave99 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 26 10:58:40 2009
From: nightwingbatcave99 at yahoo.com (Travis Schmidt)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 08:58:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Cialug] free computers
In-Reply-To: <4A918C75.80902@vonahsen.com>
Message-ID: <827411.47892.qm@web110616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

how would i go about picking up the free computers?

Travis Schmidt

--- On Sun, 8/23/09, Barry Von Ahsen  wrote:

From: Barry Von Ahsen 
Subject: [Cialug] free computers
To: cialug at cialug.org
Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 1:37 PM

compaq dl360, 2x933 proc, 2gb ram, 1x18g 10k drives
compaq dl360, 2x933 proc, 1gb ram, 1x18g 10k drives
(these are the ones theron was giving away)
I've also got 2x18.2 10k, 3x18.2 7200, 2x9.2 10k drives for these, but 
no sleds

sony vaio pcg-8n1L laptop - 15", 1.8 celeron, xp - left screen hinge 
broke, so lcd doesn't work, vga out works fine - perfect otherwise, 
battery okay

poweredge 1300
http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/sgeck/sm/Intro.htm
I think dual 700 p3, maybe just single, no drives

I've also got 2 compaq alpha ds10s, I think both dual proc 600, both 1g
ram, only one power supply though

-barry

_______________________________________________
Cialug mailing list
Cialug at cialug.org
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From tdwalton at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 15:15:50 2009
From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:15:50 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] "Grind Crank"
Message-ID: 

The New Hacker's Dictionary defines "grind crank" as:

n. A mythical accessory to a terminal.  A crank on the side of a
monitor, which when operated makes a zizzing noise and causes the
computer to run faster.  Usually one does not refer to a grind crank
out loud, but merely makes the appropriate gesture and noise.  See
grind and wugga wugga.

Historical note: At least one real machine had a grind crank -- the
R1, a research machine built toward the end of the days of the great
vacuum tube computers, in 1959.  R1 (also known as 'The Rice Institute
Computer' (TRIC) and later as 'The Rice University Computer' (TRUC)
had a single-step / free-run switch for use when debugging programs.
Since single-stepping through a large program was rather tedious,
there was also a crank with a cam and gear arrangement that repeatedly
pushed the single-step button.  This allowed one to 'crank' through a
lot of code, then slow down to single-step for a bit when you got near
the code of interest, poke at some registers using the console
typewriter, and then keep on cranking.

From newz at bearfruit.org  Wed Aug 26 15:19:56 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:19:56 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] low speed cellphone data plan
Message-ID: 

A while back I was reading about a low-cost data service that used cellular
networks. From the context I gathered it was widely deployed and gets speeds
in the range of 32k to 64k and was priced inexpensively.

Does anyone know what this service is called and who sells it? I was
thinking it was called GPRS but when I search for that I don't find what I'm
looking for.

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
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From dave at dchamp.net  Wed Aug 26 15:46:01 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:46:01 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] low speed cellphone data plan
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <4A959F09.10201@dchamp.net>

I had GPRS (pron: Jeepers) on my T-Mobile Treo 600 a few years ago. It 
wasn't really very cheap, but it certainly was low-speed. I don't know 
if any of the US GSM carriers (T-Mobile, AT&T), still offer GPRS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gprs

-dc

Matthew Nuzum wrote:
> A while back I was reading about a low-cost data service that used 
> cellular networks. From the context I gathered it was widely deployed 
> and gets speeds in the range of 32k to 64k and was priced inexpensively.
>
> Does anyone know what this service is called and who sells it? I was 
> thinking it was called GPRS but when I search for that I don't find 
> what I'm looking for.
>
> -- 
> Matthew Nuzum
> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca  
> and twitter
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>   

From djweis at internetsolver.com  Wed Aug 26 15:58:33 2009
From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 20:58:33 -0000
Subject: [Cialug] low speed cellphone data plan
In-Reply-To: <4A959F09.10201@dchamp.net>
References: ,

Message-ID: 

I don't have a data plan on mine but you can install the usb drivers on some 
phones and use it as a 14.4k modem. For verizon there's a number like #777 
you call and it does PPP.

David Champion  said:

> I had GPRS (pron: Jeepers) on my T-Mobile Treo 600 a few years ago. It 
> wasn't really very cheap, but it certainly was low-speed. I don't know 
> if any of the US GSM carriers (T-Mobile, AT&T), still offer GPRS.
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gprs
> 
> -dc
> 
> Matthew Nuzum wrote:
> > A while back I was reading about a low-cost data service that used 
> > cellular networks. From the context I gathered it was widely deployed 
> > and gets speeds in the range of 32k to 64k and was priced inexpensively.
> >
> > Does anyone know what this service is called and who sells it? I was 
> > thinking it was called GPRS but when I search for that I don't find 
> > what I'm looking for.
> >
> > -- 
> > Matthew Nuzum
> > newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca  
> > and twitter
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cialug mailing list
> > Cialug at cialug.org
> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >   
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> 

-- 
Dave Weis
Internet Solver, Inc
http://www.internetsolver.com/

From chapinjeff at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 16:12:31 2009
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:12:31 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] low speed cellphone data plan
In-Reply-To: 
References: ,

Message-ID: <4A95A53F.9090709@gmail.com>

Last time I set up DUN (dial up networking) tethering with my cellphone,
it was as simple as 'yum install blueman' then running blue man and
pairing it with my phone -- at which point NetworkManager noticed I had
a new device it could manage. I simply selected the 'Verizon' radio
button, and I was off running, no further setup.

This was at EVDO speeds, so a little faster than what you are looking
at. The last time I looked at prices, it was about $2/MB for pay-as-you
go, $60 for unlimited (see foot note).

Jeff

*footnote* Verizon both refuses to admit that at least some of their
phones are capable of tethering  *AND* are still willing to let you pay
for it if you want. As far as I can tell by 'not able to do tethering'
they mean 'we want you to buy a new, more expensive phone' as I had no
trouble finding the drivers on the LG site, and installing them in 2
different flavors of windows, and using either the USBcharger/VCAST
cable, or blue tooth. In linux it is even easier.

Dave Weis wrote:
> I don't have a data plan on mine but you can install the usb drivers on some 
> phones and use it as a 14.4k modem. For verizon there's a number like #777 
> you call and it does PPP.
>
> David Champion  said:
>
>   
>> I had GPRS (pron: Jeepers) on my T-Mobile Treo 600 a few years ago. It 
>> wasn't really very cheap, but it certainly was low-speed. I don't know 
>> if any of the US GSM carriers (T-Mobile, AT&T), still offer GPRS.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gprs
>>
>> -dc
>>
>> Matthew Nuzum wrote:
>>     
>>> A while back I was reading about a low-cost data service that used 
>>> cellular networks. From the context I gathered it was widely deployed 
>>> and gets speeds in the range of 32k to 64k and was priced inexpensively.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know what this service is called and who sells it? I was 
>>> thinking it was called GPRS but when I search for that I don't find 
>>> what I'm looking for.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Matthew Nuzum
>>> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca  
>>> and twitter
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cialug mailing list
>>> Cialug at cialug.org
>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>   
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cialug mailing list
>> Cialug at cialug.org
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>
>>     
>
>
>
>   

From barry at vonahsen.com  Wed Aug 26 16:15:29 2009
From: barry at vonahsen.com (Barry Von Ahsen)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:15:29 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] free computers
In-Reply-To: <4A918C75.80902@vonahsen.com>
References: <4A918C75.80902@vonahsen.com>
Message-ID: <4A95A5F1.7080306@vonahsen.com>

all claimed

-barry

Barry Von Ahsen wrote:
> compaq dl360, 2x933 proc, 2gb ram, 1x18g 10k drives
> compaq dl360, 2x933 proc, 1gb ram, 1x18g 10k drives
> (these are the ones theron was giving away)
> I've also got 2x18.2 10k, 3x18.2 7200, 2x9.2 10k drives for these, but 
> no sleds
> 
> sony vaio pcg-8n1L laptop - 15", 1.8 celeron, xp - left screen hinge 
> broke, so lcd doesn't work, vga out works fine - perfect otherwise, 
> battery okay
> 
> poweredge 1300
> http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/sgeck/sm/Intro.htm
> I think dual 700 p3, maybe just single, no drives
> 
> I've also got 2 compaq alpha ds10s, I think both dual proc 600, both 1g
> ram, only one power supply though
> 
> -barry
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug

From rh-cialug at darkrealms.com  Wed Aug 26 16:19:55 2009
From: rh-cialug at darkrealms.com (Richard Harms)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:19:55 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] low speed cellphone data plan
In-Reply-To: <4A959F09.10201@dchamp.net>
References: 
	<4A959F09.10201@dchamp.net>
Message-ID: <6F0C4F3B-694B-48AB-B01B-1DFFD517FEC6@darkrealms.com>

I can verify that GPRS is still alive and well on AT&T's network in  
Montana as of last week, and is in fact extremely low-speed. A  
Verizon Mifi is the best accessory I've ever bought for my iPhone.

-rh

On Aug 26, 2009, at 3:46 PM, David Champion wrote:

> I had GPRS (pron: Jeepers) on my T-Mobile Treo 600 a few years ago. It
> wasn't really very cheap, but it certainly was low-speed. I don't know
> if any of the US GSM carriers (T-Mobile, AT&T), still offer GPRS.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gprs
>
> -dc
>
> Matthew Nuzum wrote:
>> A while back I was reading about a low-cost data service that used
>> cellular networks. From the context I gathered it was widely deployed
>> and gets speeds in the range of 32k to 64k and was priced  
>> inexpensively.
>>
>> Does anyone know what this service is called and who sells it? I was
>> thinking it was called GPRS but when I search for that I don't find
>> what I'm looking for.
>>
>> -- 
>> Matthew Nuzum
>> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca 
>> and twitter
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>> ---
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cialug mailing list
>> Cialug at cialug.org
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>
>
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From nathanism at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 16:38:19 2009
From: nathanism at gmail.com (Nathan Stien)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:38:19 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] "Grind Crank"
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <8b490d600908261438n10b67ed8pe84b94ed454a2e14@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Todd Walton  wrote:

> The New Hacker's Dictionary defines "grind crank" as:
>

That was great, thanks for sharing it!

- Nathan
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From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com  Wed Aug 26 17:28:25 2009
From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:28:25 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] low speed cellphone data plan
In-Reply-To: <4A959F09.10201@dchamp.net>
References: 
	<4A959F09.10201@dchamp.net>
Message-ID: 

You can get a data-capable phone from boost-mobile and get low speed internet on it.  I'm not sure which phones support it any more so Google is your friend.

-----Original Message-----
From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of David Champion
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 4:46 PM
To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
Subject: Re: [Cialug] low speed cellphone data plan

I had GPRS (pron: Jeepers) on my T-Mobile Treo 600 a few years ago. It 
wasn't really very cheap, but it certainly was low-speed. I don't know 
if any of the US GSM carriers (T-Mobile, AT&T), still offer GPRS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gprs

-dc

Matthew Nuzum wrote:
> A while back I was reading about a low-cost data service that used 
> cellular networks. From the context I gathered it was widely deployed 
> and gets speeds in the range of 32k to 64k and was priced inexpensively.
>
> Does anyone know what this service is called and who sells it? I was 
> thinking it was called GPRS but when I search for that I don't find 
> what I'm looking for.
>
> -- 
> Matthew Nuzum
> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca  
> and twitter
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>   

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From dave at dchamp.net  Wed Aug 26 17:49:22 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:49:22 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] "Grind Crank"
In-Reply-To: <8b490d600908261438n10b67ed8pe84b94ed454a2e14@mail.gmail.com>
References: 
	<8b490d600908261438n10b67ed8pe84b94ed454a2e14@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A95BBF2.80900@dchamp.net>

Nathan Stien wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Todd Walton  > wrote:
>
>     The New Hacker's Dictionary defines "grind crank" as:
>
> 
>
> That was great, thanks for sharing it!
>
> - Nathan
The original version sounds like a simple mouse scroll wheel. I'm sure 
one of you hardware hacker types could rig up a grind crank out of an 
old mouse and mount it on the side of your monitor.

-dc

From adk at 52761.com  Wed Aug 26 19:10:25 2009
From: adk at 52761.com (Allen Kiddoo)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 19:10:25 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] low speed cellphone data plan
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	<4A959F09.10201@dchamp.net>

Message-ID: <678823f00908261710t62f42070ub1b7f51a0619aa53@mail.gmail.com>

I had boost a few months ago. Did not have the data plan. You can get
all you can eat plan for $50/mo. But phones are only motorola and will
not tether that I could find. Don't get near a corn field- no
coverage. T-Mobile is the carrier.

You can get the Verizon MiFi for $40 but very limited download. They
do have the best coverage area.

Allen Kiddoo

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Nathan C. Smith wrote:
> You can get a data-capable phone from boost-mobile and get low speed internet on it. ?I'm not sure which phones support it any more so Google is your friend.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of David Champion
> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 4:46 PM
> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] low speed cellphone data plan
>
> I had GPRS (pron: Jeepers) on my T-Mobile Treo 600 a few years ago. It
> wasn't really very cheap, but it certainly was low-speed. I don't know
> if any of the US GSM carriers (T-Mobile, AT&T), still offer GPRS.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gprs
>
> -dc
>
> Matthew Nuzum wrote:
>> A while back I was reading about a low-cost data service that used
>> cellular networks. From the context I gathered it was widely deployed
>> and gets speeds in the range of 32k to 64k and was priced inexpensively.
>>
>> Does anyone know what this service is called and who sells it? I was
>> thinking it was called GPRS but when I search for that I don't find
>> what I'm looking for.
>>
>> --
>> Matthew Nuzum
>> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca 
>> and twitter
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cialug mailing list
>> Cialug at cialug.org
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
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From jbailey at co.marshall.ia.us  Wed Aug 26 19:15:55 2009
From: jbailey at co.marshall.ia.us (Jonathan C. Bailey)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 19:15:55 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Cialug] low speed cellphone data plan
In-Reply-To: <15977556.357501251332069020.JavaMail.root@zimbra>
Message-ID: <23906512.357521251332155766.JavaMail.root@zimbra>

I never knew Boost *ever* used T-Mo... I believe they're still iDEN which means Nextel/Sprint in the states...

-Jon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Allen Kiddoo" 
To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" 
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 7:10:25 PM GMT -05:00 Colombia
Subject: Re: [Cialug] low speed cellphone data plan

I had boost a few months ago. Did not have the data plan. You can get
all you can eat plan for $50/mo. But phones are only motorola and will
not tether that I could find. Don't get near a corn field- no
coverage. T-Mobile is the carrier.

You can get the Verizon MiFi for $40 but very limited download. They
do have the best coverage area.

Allen Kiddoo

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Nathan C. Smith wrote:
> You can get a data-capable phone from boost-mobile and get low speed internet on it. ?I'm not sure which phones support it any more so Google is your friend.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of David Champion
> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 4:46 PM
> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] low speed cellphone data plan
>
> I had GPRS (pron: Jeepers) on my T-Mobile Treo 600 a few years ago. It
> wasn't really very cheap, but it certainly was low-speed. I don't know
> if any of the US GSM carriers (T-Mobile, AT&T), still offer GPRS.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gprs
>
> -dc
>
> Matthew Nuzum wrote:
>> A while back I was reading about a low-cost data service that used
>> cellular networks. From the context I gathered it was widely deployed
>> and gets speeds in the range of 32k to 64k and was priced inexpensively.
>>
>> Does anyone know what this service is called and who sells it? I was
>> thinking it was called GPRS but when I search for that I don't find
>> what I'm looking for.
>>
>> --
>> Matthew Nuzum
>> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca 
>> and twitter
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cialug mailing list
>> Cialug at cialug.org
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
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From adk at 52761.com  Wed Aug 26 20:21:36 2009
From: adk at 52761.com (Allen Kiddoo)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 20:21:36 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] low speed cellphone data plan
In-Reply-To: <23906512.357521251332155766.JavaMail.root@zimbra>
References: <15977556.357501251332069020.JavaMail.root@zimbra>
	<23906512.357521251332155766.JavaMail.root@zimbra>
Message-ID: <678823f00908261821g66fd2a0ej4e7e37c608da1c99@mail.gmail.com>

My bad. You right- Boost is Nextel/Sprint. And yes it is iDEN- moto only.

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Jonathan C.
Bailey wrote:
> I never knew Boost *ever* used T-Mo... I believe they're still iDEN which means Nextel/Sprint in the states...
>
>
> -Jon
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Allen Kiddoo" 
> To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 7:10:25 PM GMT -05:00 Colombia
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] low speed cellphone data plan
>
> I had boost a few months ago. Did not have the data plan. You can get
> all you can eat plan for $50/mo. But phones are only motorola and will
> not tether that I could find. Don't get near a corn field- no
> coverage. T-Mobile is the carrier.
>
> You can get the Verizon MiFi for $40 but very limited download. They
> do have the best coverage area.
>
> Allen Kiddoo
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Nathan C. Smith wrote:
>> You can get a data-capable phone from boost-mobile and get low speed internet on it. ?I'm not sure which phones support it any more so Google is your friend.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of David Champion
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 4:46 PM
>> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [Cialug] low speed cellphone data plan
>>
>> I had GPRS (pron: Jeepers) on my T-Mobile Treo 600 a few years ago. It
>> wasn't really very cheap, but it certainly was low-speed. I don't know
>> if any of the US GSM carriers (T-Mobile, AT&T), still offer GPRS.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gprs
>>
>> -dc
>>
>> Matthew Nuzum wrote:
>>> A while back I was reading about a low-cost data service that used
>>> cellular networks. From the context I gathered it was widely deployed
>>> and gets speeds in the range of 32k to 64k and was priced inexpensively.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know what this service is called and who sells it? I was
>>> thinking it was called GPRS but when I search for that I don't find
>>> what I'm looking for.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Matthew Nuzum
>>> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca 
>>> and twitter
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cialug mailing list
>>> Cialug at cialug.org
>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cialug mailing list
>> Cialug at cialug.org
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Cialug at cialug.org
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>
> _______________________________________________
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>

From dave at dchamp.net  Thu Aug 27 13:15:57 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:15:57 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Nokia N900 Linux Phone
In-Reply-To: <4A8EC1E5.8010600@dchamp.net>
References: <4A8EC1E5.8010600@dchamp.net>
Message-ID: <4A96CD5D.1060006@dchamp.net>

David Champion wrote:
> Sounds like a Linux nerd's dream phone:
>
> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/08/21/1155217/Nokia-Leaks-Phone-With-Full-GNULinux-Distribution
>
> Have any of you with the Palm Pre phone messed around on the linux 
> console yet? I've heard that you can do things like just set up a 
> network route between the cell phone wireless interface, and the wifi 
> chip or USB networking to create an AP, or tether your laptop.
>
> p.s. I read the linked article the other night... you can skip the first 
> several paragraphs. That guy is not my favorite tech writer.
>
> -dc
>   

Update: Nokia has official info on the N900 now:

http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/

-dc

From jrnosee at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 15:45:22 2009
From: jrnosee at gmail.com (jrnosee at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:45:22 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] "Grind Crank"
In-Reply-To: <4A95BBF2.80900@dchamp.net>
References: 
	<8b490d600908261438n10b67ed8pe84b94ed454a2e14@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A95BBF2.80900@dchamp.net>
Message-ID: 

I need a grind crank on my work PC.  Damn corporate spyware indexes my apps
regularly and chews up my disk I/O.

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 5:49 PM, David Champion  wrote:

> Nathan Stien wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Todd Walton  > > wrote:
> >
> >     The New Hacker's Dictionary defines "grind crank" as:
> >
> > 
> >
> > That was great, thanks for sharing it!
> >
> > - Nathan
> The original version sounds like a simple mouse scroll wheel. I'm sure
> one of you hardware hacker types could rig up a grind crank out of an
> old mouse and mount it on the side of your monitor.
>
> -dc
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
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From jrnosee at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 15:46:22 2009
From: jrnosee at gmail.com (jrnosee at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:46:22 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] More MCHSI email pain
In-Reply-To: <200908251022.47944.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
References: <20090825002820.EDCBF1BC04E5_A933024B@pureapp01.drake.edu>
	<200908251022.47944.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu>
Message-ID: 

When have they ever _stopped_ being annoying period?

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Daniel A. Ramaley <
daniel.ramaley at drake.edu> wrote:

> On 2009-08-24 at 19:29:05, Josh More wrote:
> >They're being overly annoying with their blocking again.
>
> *Again*? Is that to imply that they ever _stopped_ being annoying with
> their blocking?
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From jrnosee at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 15:49:05 2009
From: jrnosee at gmail.com (jrnosee at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:49:05 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Meetings in September
In-Reply-To: 
References: <4A900DD10200002E0003718B@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>

Message-ID: 

In additions to these meetings are there any plans set for Software Freedom
Day this year?

On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Todd Walton  wrote:

> On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Josh
> More wrote:
> > First of all, our regularly-scheduled meeting will be on the 16th.  The
> > topic will be virtualization on/in Linux.  I know that those of us that
> > are particularly interested in virtualization tend to come to VUG
> > meetings, but I think it would be good for us to have a quick recap of
> > virtualization technologies in the Linux world.
>
> Exciting.  I have much interest.  I would especially like to hear
> about KVM and Qemu.
>
> --
> Todd
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From adk at 52761.com  Thu Aug 27 17:34:23 2009
From: adk at 52761.com (Allen Kiddoo)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:34:23 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Barcamp?
Message-ID: <678823f00908271534w1d25f1d7t85cacfe0305bb635@mail.gmail.com>

There has been no chatter about having Barcamp this year.

What happened?

Allen Kiddoo

From morej at alliancetechnologies.net  Thu Aug 27 18:18:19 2009
From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:18:19 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Barcamp?
Message-ID: <4A96CDEB0200002E000374FA@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>

I would like to be the first to thank Allen for volunteering to run this
year's BarCamp.  ;)

-Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC 
 morej at alliancetechnologies.net 
 515-245-7701

>>> Allen Kiddoo  08/27/09 5:34 PM >>>
There has been no chatter about having Barcamp this year.

What happened?

Allen Kiddoo
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From barry at vonahsen.com  Thu Aug 27 18:19:45 2009
From: barry at vonahsen.com (Barry Von Ahsen)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:19:45 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Meetings in September
In-Reply-To: 
References: <4A900DD10200002E0003718B@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>	

Message-ID: <4A971491.5000003@vonahsen.com>

um, yes?

we're registered, and something will happen, but it will probably be 
even less coordinated than in previous years :(

-barry

jrnosee at gmail.com wrote:
> In additions to these meetings are there any plans set for Software Freedom
> Day this year?
> 
> On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Todd Walton  wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Josh
>> More wrote:
>>> First of all, our regularly-scheduled meeting will be on the 16th.  The
>>> topic will be virtualization on/in Linux.  I know that those of us that
>>> are particularly interested in virtualization tend to come to VUG
>>> meetings, but I think it would be good for us to have a quick recap of
>>> virtualization technologies in the Linux world.
>> Exciting.  I have much interest.  I would especially like to hear
>> about KVM and Qemu.
>>
>> --
>> Todd
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cialug mailing list
>> Cialug at cialug.org
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
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From adk at 52761.com  Thu Aug 27 20:41:32 2009
From: adk at 52761.com (Allen Kiddoo)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:41:32 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Barcamp anyone?
Message-ID: <678823f00908271841y63cf369ai2def61109bea038e@mail.gmail.com>

Just been chatting with Josh in the background about Barcamp.

Is there any interest this year?

Maybe a low profile, recession version-

Bring a brown bag lunch
Find a park bench

How about Sept 19th for a date?

Maybe add a swap and trade (flee market)?

Any thoughts?

Allen Kiddoo

From djweis at internetsolver.com  Thu Aug 27 21:30:26 2009
From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:30:26 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Barcamp anyone?
In-Reply-To: <678823f00908271841y63cf369ai2def61109bea038e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <678823f00908271841y63cf369ai2def61109bea038e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A974142.1030204@internetsolver.com>

Planning is in motion already, I don't remember who was doing it. It's 
going to be at Impromptu Studio.

dave

Allen Kiddoo wrote:
> Just been chatting with Josh in the background about Barcamp.
> 
> Is there any interest this year?
> 
> Maybe a low profile, recession version-
> 
> Bring a brown bag lunch
> Find a park bench
> 
> How about Sept 19th for a date?
> 
> Maybe add a swap and trade (flee market)?
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Allen Kiddoo
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug

-- 
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From newz at bearfruit.org  Thu Aug 27 21:42:57 2009
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:42:57 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Barcamp anyone?
In-Reply-To: <678823f00908271841y63cf369ai2def61109bea038e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <678823f00908271841y63cf369ai2def61109bea038e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

Coincidently (?) that is the same day as Software Freedom Day.

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Allen Kiddoo  wrote:

> Just been chatting with Josh in the background about Barcamp.
>
> Is there any interest this year?
>
> Maybe a low profile, recession version-
>
> Bring a brown bag lunch
> Find a park bench
>
> How about Sept 19th for a date?
>
> Maybe add a swap and trade (flee market)?
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Allen Kiddoo
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>

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From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com  Thu Aug 27 22:09:36 2009
From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 22:09:36 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Barcamp anyone?
Message-ID: 

It never really cost that much to run did it?

My xcompay will probably sponsor for a little banner space.  We weren't approached in the past.

-Nate

----- Original Message -----
From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org 
To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group 
Sent: Thu Aug 27 20:41:32 2009
Subject: [Cialug] Barcamp anyone?

Just been chatting with Josh in the background about Barcamp.

Is there any interest this year?

Maybe a low profile, recession version-

Bring a brown bag lunch
Find a park bench

How about Sept 19th for a date?

Maybe add a swap and trade (flee market)?

Any thoughts?

Allen Kiddoo
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From djweis at internetsolver.com  Fri Aug 28 05:36:13 2009
From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 05:36:13 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Barcamp anyone?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <4A97B31D.2030601@internetsolver.com>

I will try to find the name, I had talked to them but it escapes me. 
Just throw some 20's in an envelope and mail it to my house :-)

Nathan C. Smith wrote:
> It never really cost that much to run did it?
> 
> My xcompay will probably sponsor for a little banner space.  We weren't approached in the past.
> 
> -Nate
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org 
> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group 
> Sent: Thu Aug 27 20:41:32 2009
> Subject: [Cialug] Barcamp anyone?
> 
> Just been chatting with Josh in the background about Barcamp.
> 
> Is there any interest this year?
> 
> Maybe a low profile, recession version-
> 
> Bring a brown bag lunch
> Find a park bench
> 
> How about Sept 19th for a date?
> 
> Maybe add a swap and trade (flee market)?
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Allen Kiddoo
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From barry at vonahsen.com  Fri Aug 28 08:49:22 2009
From: barry at vonahsen.com (Barry Von Ahsen)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 08:49:22 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Barcamp anyone?
In-Reply-To: 
References: <678823f00908271841y63cf369ai2def61109bea038e@mail.gmail.com>

Message-ID: <4A97E062.10300@vonahsen.com>

ooh, an opportunity for synergy!

-barry

Matthew Nuzum wrote:
> Coincidently (?) that is the same day as Software Freedom Day.
> 
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Allen Kiddoo  wrote:
> 
>> Just been chatting with Josh in the background about Barcamp.
>>
>> Is there any interest this year?
>>
>> Maybe a low profile, recession version-
>>
>> Bring a brown bag lunch
>> Find a park bench
>>
>> How about Sept 19th for a date?
>>
>> Maybe add a swap and trade (flee market)?
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> Allen Kiddoo
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cialug mailing list
>> Cialug at cialug.org
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
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From timchampion at gmail.com  Fri Aug 28 12:44:47 2009
From: timchampion at gmail.com (Tim Champion)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 12:44:47 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Barcamp anyone?
In-Reply-To: <4A97E062.10300@vonahsen.com>
References: <678823f00908271841y63cf369ai2def61109bea038e@mail.gmail.com>

	<4A97E062.10300@vonahsen.com>
Message-ID: <7aa1cdb20908281044n3f1ea356j300e3d958f222e40@mail.gmail.com>

Synergy?

http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/

I use that all the time! I can't be the only one who went there in their
mind! c'mon!

Tim Champion
timchampion at gmail.com

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Barry Von Ahsen  wrote:

> ooh, an opportunity for synergy!
>
>
> -barry
>
>
> Matthew Nuzum wrote:
> > Coincidently (?) that is the same day as Software Freedom Day.
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Allen Kiddoo  wrote:
> >
> >> Just been chatting with Josh in the background about Barcamp.
> >>
> >> Is there any interest this year?
> >>
> >> Maybe a low profile, recession version-
> >>
> >> Bring a brown bag lunch
> >> Find a park bench
> >>
> >> How about Sept 19th for a date?
> >>
> >> Maybe add a swap and trade (flee market)?
> >>
> >> Any thoughts?
> >>
> >> Allen Kiddoo
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Cialug mailing list
> >> Cialug at cialug.org
> >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cialug mailing list
> > Cialug at cialug.org
> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
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From djweis at internetsolver.com  Fri Aug 28 12:45:59 2009
From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 12:45:59 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Barcamp anyone?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <4A9817D7.9030908@internetsolver.com>

Looks like it will be September 26th, mark the dates on your calendar 
and get your talk ideas cooking!

Nathan C. Smith wrote:
> It never really cost that much to run did it?
> 
> My xcompay will probably sponsor for a little banner space.  We weren't approached in the past.
> 
> -Nate
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org 
> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group 
> Sent: Thu Aug 27 20:41:32 2009
> Subject: [Cialug] Barcamp anyone?
> 
> Just been chatting with Josh in the background about Barcamp.
> 
> Is there any interest this year?
> 
> Maybe a low profile, recession version-
> 
> Bring a brown bag lunch
> Find a park bench
> 
> How about Sept 19th for a date?
> 
> Maybe add a swap and trade (flee market)?
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Allen Kiddoo
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug

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From nathanism at gmail.com  Fri Aug 28 12:47:35 2009
From: nathanism at gmail.com (Nathan Stien)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 12:47:35 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Barcamp anyone?
In-Reply-To: <7aa1cdb20908281044n3f1ea356j300e3d958f222e40@mail.gmail.com>
References: <678823f00908271841y63cf369ai2def61109bea038e@mail.gmail.com> 

	<4A97E062.10300@vonahsen.com>
	<7aa1cdb20908281044n3f1ea356j300e3d958f222e40@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b490d600908281047ubb7b9b6ib74fb868a9d3c2a7@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Tim Champion wrote:

> Synergy? http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/
>
> I use that all the time! I can't be the only one who went there in their
> mind! c'mon!

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From dave at dchamp.net  Fri Aug 28 13:02:25 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:02:25 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Barcamp anyone?
In-Reply-To: <7aa1cdb20908281044n3f1ea356j300e3d958f222e40@mail.gmail.com>
References: <678823f00908271841y63cf369ai2def61109bea038e@mail.gmail.com>		<4A97E062.10300@vonahsen.com>
	<7aa1cdb20908281044n3f1ea356j300e3d958f222e40@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A981BB1.5000308@dchamp.net>

You mean you didn't instantly hear this in your head?

...

Elemental empathy
A change of synergy
Music making contact
Naturally

...

I will likely be out of town on 9/26.

-dc

Tim Champion wrote:
> Synergy?
>
> http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/
>
> I use that all the time! I can't be the only one who went there in 
> their mind! c'mon!
>
> Tim Champion
> timchampion at gmail.com 
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Barry Von Ahsen  > wrote:
>
>     ooh, an opportunity for synergy!
>
>
>     -barry
>
>
>     Matthew Nuzum wrote:
>     > Coincidently (?) that is the same day as Software Freedom Day.
>     >
>     > On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Allen Kiddoo      > wrote:
>     >
>     >> Just been chatting with Josh in the background about Barcamp.
>     >>
>     >> Is there any interest this year?
>     >>
>     >> Maybe a low profile, recession version-
>     >>
>     >> Bring a brown bag lunch
>     >> Find a park bench
>     >>
>     >> How about Sept 19th for a date?
>     >>
>     >> Maybe add a swap and trade (flee market)?
>     >>
>     >> Any thoughts?
>     >>
>     >> Allen Kiddoo
>

From mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu  Sat Aug 29 09:22:58 2009
From: mathew.phillips at wartburg.edu (Mathew R. Phillips)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 09:22:58 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Barcamp anyone?
References: <678823f00908271841y63cf369ai2def61109bea038e@mail.gmail.com>		<4A97E062.10300@vonahsen.com>
	<7aa1cdb20908281044n3f1ea356j300e3d958f222e40@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A981BB1.5000308@dchamp.net>
Message-ID: <7D5145B2B2D81944999D746098747FB106FBE6@WARTBURG-EVS-01.wartburg.edu>

No i thought of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NisCkxU544c I must be too young .... :)

-----Original Message-----
From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org on behalf of David Champion
Sent: Fri 8/28/2009 1:02 PM
To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
Subject: Re: [Cialug] Barcamp anyone?

You mean you didn't instantly hear this in your head?

...

Elemental empathy
A change of synergy
Music making contact
Naturally

...

I will likely be out of town on 9/26.

-dc

Tim Champion wrote:
> Synergy?
>
> http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/
>
> I use that all the time! I can't be the only one who went there in 
> their mind! c'mon!
>
> Tim Champion
> timchampion at gmail.com 
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Barry Von Ahsen  > wrote:
>
>     ooh, an opportunity for synergy!
>
>
>     -barry
>
>
>     Matthew Nuzum wrote:
>     > Coincidently (?) that is the same day as Software Freedom Day.
>     >
>     > On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Allen Kiddoo      > wrote:
>     >
>     >> Just been chatting with Josh in the background about Barcamp.
>     >>
>     >> Is there any interest this year?
>     >>
>     >> Maybe a low profile, recession version-
>     >>
>     >> Bring a brown bag lunch
>     >> Find a park bench
>     >>
>     >> How about Sept 19th for a date?
>     >>
>     >> Maybe add a swap and trade (flee market)?
>     >>
>     >> Any thoughts?
>     >>
>     >> Allen Kiddoo
>

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From kevin at linuxsmith.com  Sun Aug 30 14:36:18 2009
From: kevin at linuxsmith.com (Kevin C. Smith)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:36:18 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Windows Security
Message-ID: <20090830193618.GA12976@lappy>

I know this is WAY off topic.

I've been revisiting our securing Windows procedures, etc.
I was wondering what people do at their work place to secure their laptops, and workstations. 
We are covered by HIPAA and I'm interested in hearing from others that are also.

From morej at alliancetechnologies.net  Sun Aug 30 14:44:51 2009
From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:44:51 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Windows Security
Message-ID: <4A9A90630200002E00037592@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>

This is a mix from various clients that are covered by various
regulations (HIPAA, PCI, FTC Red Flag, SOX).  They're all good practice.

* Basic OS hardening
* OS and application imaging
* Antimalware with HIPS and local firewall enabled (looking at doing NAC
soon)
* Forced policies that prevent wireless bridging (i.e., if local LAN
card is active, wireless cannot be)
* Full disk encryption
* Folder encryption for PII data
* Full audit trails on all systems that contain PII
* Regular user account audits
* Regular vulnerability scans
* Regular patching
* Physical locking cables for desktops
* Disable laptops from suspending, requiring people to actually turn
them off and on
* Looking at DLP solutions, nothing chosen yet.

-Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC 
 morej at alliancetechnologies.net 
 515-245-7701

>>> "Kevin C. Smith"  08/30/09 2:36 PM >>>
I know this is WAY off topic.

I've been revisiting our securing Windows procedures, etc.
I was wondering what people do at their work place to secure their
laptops, and workstations. 
We are covered by HIPAA and I'm interested in hearing from others that
are also.

_______________________________________________
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From tdwalton at gmail.com  Mon Aug 31 13:54:23 2009
From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:54:23 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Windows Security
In-Reply-To: <4A9A90630200002E00037592@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
References: <4A9A90630200002E00037592@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>
Message-ID: 

On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Josh
More wrote:
> * OS and application imaging

What's OS and application imaging, in the context of security?

> * Forced policies that prevent wireless bridging (i.e., if local LAN
> card is active, wireless cannot be)

How do you do this?

> * Disable laptops from suspending, requiring people to actually turn
> them off and on

Clever.

--
Todd

From morej at alliancetechnologies.net  Mon Aug 31 14:01:37 2009
From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:01:37 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Windows Security
In-Reply-To: 
References: <4A9A90630200002E00037592@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>

Message-ID: <4A9BD7C10200002E000375FA@webmail.alliancetechnologies.net>

OS and Application imaging is pretty much what is sounds like.  It
allows you form an image of the OS and an image package of each
application.  You then deploy the images to the target system, and you
can be sure that every system you build is identical.  From a security
perspective, this reduces the possible apps that you have to worry about
while also allowing for rapid deployement of patches when problems are
discovered (as happened recently with the MS ATL issue).

Sophos and Novell ZenWorks Advanced allow you to prevent wireless
bridging.  There are others, but those are the two that I use.

-Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC 
 morej at alliancetechnologies.net 
 515-245-7701

>>> Todd Walton  8/31/2009 01:54 PM >>> 
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Josh
More wrote:
> * OS and application imaging

What's OS and application imaging, in the context of security?

> * Forced policies that prevent wireless bridging (i.e., if local LAN
> card is active, wireless cannot be)

How do you do this?

> * Disable laptops from suspending, requiring people to actually turn
> them off and on

Clever.

--
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From icepuck2k at gmail.com  Mon Aug 31 15:25:00 2009
From: icepuck2k at gmail.com (Dan Hockey)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:25:00 -0500
Subject: [Cialug]  OT How its made
Message-ID: <727223620908311325r68fc24cem74596f46e442e36b@mail.gmail.com>

The show How its made just had a segment on how player piano rolls where
made. No big deal I thought until they showed the machine that
punched the rolls. It looked like it was made in the early 1900's but the
shock was when they showed an Apple IIe running the machine!
If anyone has a tivo that would be the one to record, you got see it to
believe it.
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From dave at dchamp.net  Mon Aug 31 15:29:43 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:29:43 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT How its made
In-Reply-To: <727223620908311325r68fc24cem74596f46e442e36b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <727223620908311325r68fc24cem74596f46e442e36b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A9C32B7.8090801@dchamp.net>

Dan Hockey wrote:
> The show How its made just had a segment on how player piano rolls 
> where made. No big deal I thought until they showed the machine that
> punched the rolls. It looked like it was made in the early 1900's but 
> the shock was when they showed an Apple IIe running the machine!
> If anyone has a tivo that would be the one to record, you got see it 
> to believe it. 

Did a guy have to type "4  8 
 15 
 16 
 23 
 42 
" every 108 minutes?

-dc

From dave at dchamp.net  Mon Aug 31 15:30:36 2009
From: dave at dchamp.net (David Champion)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:30:36 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] OT How its made
In-Reply-To: <4A9C32B7.8090801@dchamp.net>
References: <727223620908311325r68fc24cem74596f46e442e36b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A9C32B7.8090801@dchamp.net>
Message-ID: <4A9C32EC.9090108@dchamp.net>

David Champion wrote:
> Dan Hockey wrote:
>   
>> The show How its made just had a segment on how player piano rolls 
>> where made. No big deal I thought until they showed the machine that
>> punched the rolls. It looked like it was made in the early 1900's but 
>> the shock was when they showed an Apple IIe running the machine!
>> If anyone has a tivo that would be the one to record, you got see it 
>> to believe it. 
>>     
>
> Did a guy have to type "4  8 
>  15 
>  16 
>  23 
>  42 
> " every 108 minutes?
>
> -dc
>
>   
^^^ awesome cut & paste job, Dave.

-dc

From murraymckee at wellsfargo.com  Mon Aug 31 19:19:42 2009
From: murraymckee at wellsfargo.com (murraymckee at wellsfargo.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:19:42 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Windows Security
In-Reply-To: <20090830193618.GA12976@lappy>
References: <20090830193618.GA12976@lappy>
Message-ID: <0C42FC22D9143A4FA9FA3FC2EF5CFA072567F8250B@MSGCMSV21015.ent.wfb.bank.corp>

We prevent downloading executable code, and that includes documents with macros, etc. as well as *.exe files.

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Operating Systems Engineer
WFFIS - Wells Fargo Financial Information Systems 
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WORK (515)557-6127 Cell (NEW) (515) 343-6630  FAX (515) 557-6046
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-----Original Message-----
From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Kevin C. Smith
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 2:36 PM
To: cialug at cialug.org
Subject: [Cialug] Windows Security

I know this is WAY off topic.

I've been revisiting our securing Windows procedures, etc.
I was wondering what people do at their work place to secure their laptops, and workstations. 
We are covered by HIPAA and I'm interested in hearing from others that are also.

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