From chris at chrislouden.com Sat Nov 1 00:38:46 2008 From: chris at chrislouden.com (Chris Louden) Date: Sat Nov 1 00:39:10 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Looking for training on Linux/Apache server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Since you mentioned going far away from where you live I presume you are more so looking for week long course/boot camp type training. Unfortunately I'm not in the mid west so I cannot speak from experience. Although I may be moving to Ames in the near future. In any case I have taken several classes from RedHat and really enjoyed them. I know they have an Apache specific course but have not taken it myself. Not sure if it has a prerequisite. RedHat also offer online training. Other then that taking a course at a local community college would be my next recommendation. I've taken a few and again really enjoyed them. In fact the instructor I had for all of them left and now works as a trainer for RedHat in Chicago. His name is Victor Costea. Great instructor. Can you be more specific as to what you are looking for? is there something specific you want to accomplish? On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Chris Lukenbill wrote: > I posted the following question to LinkedIn and received a reference to this > mailing list as good source of information on this subject: > > I am looking for mid to advanced level linux/apache server admin training in > the upper midwest US. I'm a LAMP developer and would like to increase my > knowledge in this area. Anyone have suggestions of good training facilities > in the area? > More specifically I am from Rochester, MN (just south of Minneapolis/St. > Paul) and would be interested in anything as far away as Chicago for a > training facility. I would also be interested in online courses. > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > Thank you in advance for any help you can give and your time, > > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Sat Nov 1 12:02:52 2008 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Sat Nov 1 12:03:25 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Looking for training on Linux/Apache server Message-ID: <490C456D0200002E0002C25A@alliancetechnologies.net> I don't think you're going to find what you're looking for. There is a small amount of entry-level training for LAMP, but, as with most of open source, once you get to the mid level, there are so many different ways to do things that training just doesn't make much sense. I recommend that you embark on a course of self study. Set up a server and start playing with it. Try different configurations and read different books as you go. I strongly recommend getting a Safari subscription ( http://safari.oreilly.com/ ), so you can read many different books as you go through the process. I recommend picking at least one book for the Linux foundation, I like Michael Jang's RHCE prep guide, but that (like all of them) is distro-specific, so pick whatever makes sense to you. I also recommend: * Apache Security * Apache Cookbook * The MySQL Reference Manual * High Performance MySQL * Programming Perl * Programming PHP * Perl Cookbook * PHP Cookbook * Postgresql (not the O'Reilly one, the New Riders one) There are some good Ruby/Rails books out there too, but there isn't really a solid standard for deploying Rails apps, so you might want to hold off on that. -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej@alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 >>> "Chris Lukenbill" 10/31/08 7:12 PM >>> I posted the following question to LinkedIn and received a reference to this mailing list as good source of information on this subject: I am looking for mid to advanced level linux/apache server admin training in the upper midwest US. I'm a LAMP developer and would like to increase my knowledge in this area. Anyone have suggestions of good training facilities in the area? More specifically I am from Rochester, MN (just south of Minneapolis/St. Paul) and would be interested in anything as far away as Chicago for a training facility. I would also be interested in online courses. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you in advance for any help you can give and your time, Chris From tdwalton at gmail.com Sat Nov 1 16:50:44 2008 From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton) Date: Sat Nov 1 16:51:08 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Masters and Slaves Message-ID: Why this master and slave set up with IDE? Why does it have it and why is it that when my drive is jumpered to slave, but I put it on the end of the cable, the computer refuses to boot? ... Okay, ten minutes later I see that the new SATA does not have these worries. Thank goodness. -todd From nathanism at gmail.com Sat Nov 1 16:59:23 2008 From: nathanism at gmail.com (Nathan Stien) Date: Sat Nov 1 16:59:46 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Masters and Slaves In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8b490d600811011459k64dbab7dvcf8a527097bda44c@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Todd Walton wrote: > Why this master and slave set up with IDE? > ... > > Okay, ten minutes later I see that the new SATA does not have these > worries. Thank goodness. Waiting ten minutes between drafting and sending a mailing list post seems like a good policy. (Which I am about to violate by sending this!) - Nathan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Colin From zach at kotlarek.com Sat Nov 1 18:42:34 2008 From: zach at kotlarek.com (Zachary Kotlarek) Date: Sat Nov 1 18:43:00 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Masters and Slaves In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Nov 1, 2008, at 5:26 PM, Colin Burnett wrote: > On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Todd Walton > wrote: >> >> I see that the new SATA does not have these worries. > > Right, because SATA is point-to-point where as PATA is a shared bus > [of only 2 devices] so no arbitration/addressing is needed. That's only half true. While SATA is generally used as a point-to- point connection, with port multipliers most HBAs allow up to 16 nodes per channel. The shared-bus architecture is purely unidirectional though -- the controller can see all 16 nodes but the other nodes can only see the controller. Zach -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Between the multiplier and devices is a bidirectional channel with only the multiplier and the device. It is *not* a shared bus. Ethernet is a shared bus. 802.11 is a shared "bus". Both have instances where multiple devices try to talk simultaneously and they have to go through contention to find out who talks. PCI and all of its predecessors (to my knowledge) were all shared, but PCIe uses P2P "lanes". *Logically* you can think of SATA as a shared bus because the OS can talk to multiple devices on the same "bus" but that's merely an abstraction provided by the controller & multiplier. Much the same way TCP makes a socket connection *look* circuit-switched, serialized, and "error free" but we know that IP (and down) is not and, thus, TCP provides that abstraction. I presume we're arguing at different layers? Colin From tim_linux at wilson-home.com Sat Nov 1 23:39:12 2008 From: tim_linux at wilson-home.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Sat Nov 1 23:39:35 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Free Codeweavers In-Reply-To: <002701c93bcd$891c5680$6401a8c0@toshibauser> References: <200810271612.52086.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> <94EA0237-D11A-4A66-A816-642D9A4DCE03@kotlarek.com> <4908733B.5070309@visionary.com> <51F9DCED-E661-42F8-8CB8-22DA652C3008@kotlarek.com> <7ee95fff0810290837t553f4ce3i214f833650c9c7a8@mail.gmail.com> <490B4B79.3080808@visionary.com> <002701c93bcd$891c5680$6401a8c0@toshibauser> Message-ID: <5a9568c20811012139p5ac2f070i8e9e9f64fc216ec9@mail.gmail.com> And I just got mine!! On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:57 PM, Dan Hockey wrote: > I just now got mine!!!! > -dh > > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On > Behalf > Of David Champion > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 1:16 PM > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Cialug] Free Codeweavers > > FYI: I got my Codeweavers activation serial number today... > > -dc > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -- Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20081101/16b308ab/attachment.htm From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Sun Nov 2 00:21:55 2008 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Sun Nov 2 00:22:17 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Masters and Slaves In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: And why did people on the West coast of the U.S. get all hung up over that aribtrary terminaology? (it's been a few years) -----Original Message----- From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of Todd Walton Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 4:51 PM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: [Cialug] Masters and Slaves Why this master and slave set up with IDE? Why does it have it and why is it that when my drive is jumpered to slave, but I put it on the end of the cable, the computer refuses to boot? ... Okay, ten minutes later I see that the new SATA does not have these worries. Thank goodness. -todd _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From crouse at usalug.net Sun Nov 2 05:39:19 2008 From: crouse at usalug.net (Dave Crouse) Date: Sun Nov 2 05:39:43 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Ubuntu release & sour grapes blogging In-Reply-To: <5a9568c20810311736k5714c919te56c87ac1296da71@mail.gmail.com> References: <490B1EDB.80808@visionary.com> <5a9568c20810311429q6ee41a9dnad2a3d9754abe74@mail.gmail.com> <490B86A2.2030304@visionary.com> <5a9568c20810311736k5714c919te56c87ac1296da71@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: KDE 4.x is definately slower than KDE 3.x is/was. I actually LIKE it better, but for some of the older machines I've worked on lately, it was much better to install IceWm than to try to push KDE 4.1 onto something that couldn't handle it. KDE 3.x was slow enough, KDE 4.1 was almost dropped down to Vista performance levels on those machines... wait, nm, at least it ran ;) Crouse On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Tim Wilson wrote: > Hey, he called me old! :) > > I did notice one thing, but it is probably more of a problem with it running > in a VM. I tried to turn on the "effects", and when I clicked apply, it > crashed KDE. Well, crash isn't quite right, it darkened it. To a black > screen. It wasn't a BSOD (black screen of death), but it did freak me out. > Of course, hitting Ctrl-Alt-Backspace took care of that, then I just had to > move the .kde folder out of the way and I was back to normal. > > On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 5:28 PM, David Champion > wrote: >> >> Really the main "downside" I've seen to KDE 4.x is the "no icons on the >> desktop" thing, which you can turn off somewhere. It really hasn't bothered >> me that much - you can just drop a desktop folder widget on your desktop and >> have icons there if that's what you want. >> >> I've read a couple of review where the author was just vehemently against >> KDE 4.x... not sure what their beef is, some people just don't like change. >> Most distros will allow you to choose to run KDE 3.x if you'd like (or >> Gnome, or whatever). I think if a couple of old timers like Tim and I can >> handle it, then most users should be OK with it. Maybe we should wait and >> see what Bryan, Morris and Ralph have to say on KDE 4. ;) >> >> -dc >> >> Tim Wilson wrote: >> >> I just upgraded my KUbuntu on my VM at work. Pretty sleek. It uses KDE >> 4.1. It's going to take some getting used to, but I think I'll like it. If >> not, I'm sure I can customize it to be like good ol' KDE3. >> >> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Chris Louden >> wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 8:06 AM, David Champion >>> wrote: >>> > Anyone running the latest Ubuntu release from yesterday? I haven't >>> > grabbed >>> > it yet but probably will give it a look this weekend to try it out... >>> > even >>> > though I'll stick with Mandriva 2009 for my main systems. >>> >>> I have been running 8.10 64bit since Alpha 6 and on through the BETA >>> releases. Running it on a Lenovo T61 which is my primary PC. I >>> downloaded the .ISOs last night of the formal release and will be >>> doing a clean install of the 32 bit this weekend. I prefer the 64 so >>> that I fully use the hardware to its abilities but there are issues >>> with several plug-ins like Flash where it is not always stable. I >>> haven't used a 32bit distro in over 2 years so i like to see how >>> stable it can be. If Its worth it I'll keep it otherwise I will do a >>> clean install of the 64bit from the final release in a few weeks. >>> >>> I'm a bit biased as I prefer Debian based to anything .rpm based. >>> However I am really happy with it. >>> >>> > >>> > I ran across this blog entry a couple of days ago while googling for >>> > something else. I would take what he says with a big grain of salt... >>> > and I >>> > understand how someone who's trying to sell a Linux distro might be a >>> > little >>> > frustrated with Ubuntu. In related news, Shuttleworth announced that he >>> > thinks Ubuntu will become profitable in 2 or 3 years, and that he's >>> > willing >>> > to keep supporting it with his own money until then. >>> > >>> >>> I really appreciate what he is doing. I think the Ubuntu community at >>> large does as well. >>> >>> > http://www.happyassassin.net/2008/10/28/why-i-dont-like-canonical/ >>> > >>> > My personal take on it is that monoculture isn't good, and while Ubuntu >>> > isn't there yet, they have certainly become what RedHat was a few years >>> > ago >>> > - just about the de-facto standard version of Linux, at least for >>> > desktop >>> > Linux. I think the author of the blog entry above isn't completely fair >>> > - I >>> > understand that Ubuntu does contribute some back to the community, and >>> > they >>> > have done a huge amount of Linux advocacy. >>> > >>> > I don't like Ubuntu because it used Gnome by default, but that's pretty >>> > easy >>> > to fix by putting a "K" in front of it and downloading Kubuntu. I see >>> > on >>> > Distrowatch.com that Kubuntu, Mythbuntu, UbuntuStudio, and others are >>> > available too. >>> > >>> > -dc >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Cialug mailing list >>> > Cialug@cialug.org >>> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Cialug mailing list >>> Cialug@cialug.org >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> >> >> >> -- >> Tim >> >> ________________________________ >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> > > > > -- > Tim > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > From tdwalton at gmail.com Sun Nov 2 06:44:10 2008 From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton) Date: Sun Nov 2 06:44:33 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Masters and Slaves In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:21 PM, Nathan C. Smith wrote: > And why did people on the West coast of the U.S. get all hung up over that aribtrary terminaology? 1) It was LA, not the whole West coast, and 2) because some people are really really dumb, and government has to cater to them as well. -todd From eric at eric.nu Sun Nov 2 11:07:22 2008 From: eric at eric.nu (Eric Junker) Date: Sun Nov 2 11:07:59 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Ubuntu release & sour grapes blogging In-Reply-To: References: <490B1EDB.80808@visionary.com> <5a9568c20810311429q6ee41a9dnad2a3d9754abe74@mail.gmail.com> <490B86A2.2030304@visionary.com> <5a9568c20810311736k5714c919te56c87ac1296da71@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <490DDE4A.9050609@eric.nu> Dave Crouse wrote: > KDE 4.x is definately slower than KDE 3.x is/was. I'm surprised to hear that. I am not a KDE user so I don't have any first hand experience but it was always my impression that KDE4 would be faster than KDE3. KDE4 uses QT4 which has improved memory efficiency. This somewhat unscientific benchmark shows KDE4 using less memory than KDE3 http://tinyurl.com/kde4benchmark Eric From zach at kotlarek.com Sun Nov 2 11:48:21 2008 From: zach at kotlarek.com (Zachary Kotlarek) Date: Sun Nov 2 11:48:48 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Masters and Slaves In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0CB103B3-4C6D-428D-A6CE-86F4BB053AE3@kotlarek.com> On Nov 1, 2008, at 8:26 PM, Colin Burnett wrote: > It's still P2P. The host talks to the multiplier which then knows > which port to talk to. Between the host and multiplier is a > bidirectional channel with only the host and the multiplier. Between > the multiplier and devices is a bidirectional channel with only the > multiplier and the device. It is *not* a shared bus. > > I presume we're arguing at different layers? You're right of course: "shared bus" is the wrong terminology, as there is no direct signal connection among 3 or more nodes. So we are talking at different layers -- you're thinking signals and I'm thinking data. I was reacting to the "no arbitration/addresses" part of your note -- there's still a single physical link that uses addresses to distinguish between multiple endpoints, and there's still the potential for multiple endpoints to generate more data than the single uplink can transmit, which demands arbitration. Those two functions may not happen as part of the fundamental signaling protocol -- they may be encapsulated as data across an unarbitrated, addressless link that only the HBA and port multiplier see -- but they're still part of the overall SATA system. Zach -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Those two functions may not happen as part of the > fundamental signaling protocol -- they may be encapsulated as data across an > unarbitrated, addressless link that only the HBA and port multiplier see -- > but they're still part of the overall SATA system. Yeah, still different layers. You're talking "IP address" and I'm talking "MAC address". Ethernet doesn't care about IPs and however the ends interpret that IP is irrelevant to ethernet frame routing. PATA needs to know master/slave to know which is being talked to because they're both listening and both could be talking. SATA doesn't need a "MAC address" because there is no ambiguity on the line. The concept of a port is strictly a higher layer function. Same words, same meanings, but different layers. :) It is interesting to note, though, the move away from shared bus to serial streams. SATA, PCIe, and even ethernet in the last years (hub vs. switch). Does anyone make a gigabit *hub*? SATA covers device to mobo; PCIe covers intra-mobo; and switched ethernet covers inter-computer. I believe firewire and USB are also P2P with addressing done at a higher layer, yes? Both are bidirectional serial streams. It seems the industry has all but abandoned multiple access and parallel. I suspect, however, the cycle will come back around and people will realize that you could reduce hardware by sharing wires and get 8 times the data if you send it on 8 different wires! Wow! :) Colin From doncady at gmail.com Sun Nov 2 19:21:31 2008 From: doncady at gmail.com (Don Cady) Date: Sun Nov 2 19:21:54 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Free Codeweavers - did it work? In-Reply-To: <490B7768.2030908@vonahsen.com> References: <490B7768.2030908@vonahsen.com> Message-ID: -snip- > this than they ever have, and if even some tiny percent renew at the end of > the year, they'd be way ahead > > -barry So this will only work through the end of _this_ year? This turned out not to be worth two stones.. Don From zach at kotlarek.com Sun Nov 2 20:15:47 2008 From: zach at kotlarek.com (Zachary Kotlarek) Date: Sun Nov 2 20:16:13 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Masters and Slaves In-Reply-To: References: <0CB103B3-4C6D-428D-A6CE-86F4BB053AE3@kotlarek.com> Message-ID: <60061BE8-5AE2-48C3-83EE-4C28D507D5FD@kotlarek.com> On Nov 2, 2008, at 7:03 PM, Colin Burnett wrote: > Yeah, still different layers. You're talking "IP address" and I'm > talking "MAC address". Ethernet doesn't care about IPs and however > the ends interpret that IP is irrelevant to ethernet frame routing. I'm not disagreeing that they're differing layers, I'm just saying they're both included in the layer that would commonly be called "SATA". Yes, the low-level signaling protocol used by SATA is point-to- point and addressless, but the overall SATA specification includes addressing for multiplexed links. > Does anyone make a gigabit *hub*? I'm pretty sure collision detection is still in the spec, but I've never seen a gigibit switch. > I believe firewire and USB are also P2P with addressing done at a > higher layer, yes? Both are bidirectional serial streams. FireWire is hostless and auto-assigns IDs after each bus reset. It can be run as a shared bus or in a tree topology. It also supports a second level of addressing that allows individual busses to be bridged together and addressed as a combined network. > It seems the industry has all but abandoned multiple access and > parallel. I suspect, however, the cycle will come back around and > people will realize that you could reduce hardware by sharing wires > and get 8 times the data if you send it on 8 different wires! Wow! I'm not so sure. One of the reasons we've gone to serial interfaces is they are not subject to the timing problems that come with trying to read 8 wires with 1 clock. In PCIe for example, you can run multiple serial channels (or as PCIe calls them "lanes"), but they each have their own clock, and there's no need to synchronize the data among the channels (at least at a signaling level). There's also the issue of signaling errors. Serial cables are much easier to shield from each other and from outside EM sources, and because it doesn't require additional cabling many high-speed serial protocols now include fairly robust forward error correction. PCIe for example encodes 10 bits to every 8 data bits, allowing recovery from signaling errors that do occur without rejecting the frame. With parallel data access you'd have to add even more wires -- SCSI cables already have 68 pins, and I doubt anyone wants to add 8 more for error correction. Finally there's the issue of simultaneous inter-node communication. In high-speed devices the PCIe "bus" is implemented with a crossbar-like switching system, so that any two PCIe lanes can be connected to each other and can communicate at the same time as other PCIe nodes on other channels. Obviously this isn't useful in all applications, but when it is there are significant speed and latency advantages, and it's simply too many wires to switch if you're using a non-serial connection. Zach -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2746 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20081102/8b29802e/smime.bin From newz at bearfruit.org Sun Nov 2 21:37:14 2008 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Sun Nov 2 21:37:37 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Free Codeweavers - did it work? In-Reply-To: References: <490B7768.2030908@vonahsen.com> Message-ID: 12 months. Mine said Oct 29th (or whatever) of 2009. On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 7:21 PM, Don Cady wrote: > -snip- >> this than they ever have, and if even some tiny percent renew at the end of >> the year, they'd be way ahead >> >> -barry > > So this will only work through the end of _this_ year? This turned out > not to be worth two stones.. > > Don > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode From david at bierce.org Sun Nov 2 21:59:59 2008 From: david at bierce.org (David Bierce) Date: Sun Nov 2 22:00:25 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Masters and Slaves In-Reply-To: <60061BE8-5AE2-48C3-83EE-4C28D507D5FD@kotlarek.com> References: <0CB103B3-4C6D-428D-A6CE-86F4BB053AE3@kotlarek.com> <60061BE8-5AE2-48C3-83EE-4C28D507D5FD@kotlarek.com> Message-ID: On Nov 2, 2008, at 8:15 PM, Zachary Kotlarek wrote: >> >> Does anyone make a gigabit *hub*? > > > I'm pretty sure collision detection is still in the spec, but I've > never seen a gigibit switch. CSMA/CD was put into the spec so it can operate in half duplex, but with CPU power so cheap why bother? Dave From dchampion at visionary.com Sun Nov 2 22:18:07 2008 From: dchampion at visionary.com (David Champion) Date: Sun Nov 2 22:17:48 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Masters and Slaves In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <490E7B7F.4040606@visionary.com> Todd Walton wrote: > Why this master and slave set up with IDE? Why does it have it and > why is it that when my drive is jumpered to slave, but I put it on the > end of the cable, the computer refuses to boot? > > ... > > Okay, ten minutes later I see that the new SATA does not have these > worries. Thank goodness. > > -todd > Aside from all of the other conversation... were you actually looking for practical advice on how to make a master / slave PATA drive setup work? If so... the best way to make it work is to jumper the drives to Master and Slave, put the Master drive on the middle connector, and the Slave drive on the end connector. It's been my experience that "Cable Select" mode mostly only works with drives by the same manufacturer, and sometimes only from a similar generation of drives. Another thing to keep in mind is that some things - like DMA mode, may be determined by the least common denominator on that cable - so if you have an Ultra 133 hard drive on the same cable as your old slow cdrom drive, they'll both run at the slower rate. -dc From thiessenstuart at aol.com Mon Nov 3 00:19:08 2008 From: thiessenstuart at aol.com (Stuart Thiessen) Date: Mon Nov 3 00:19:40 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Free Codeweavers - did it work? In-Reply-To: References: <490B7768.2030908@vonahsen.com> Message-ID: <470BC0C9-0FA1-4124-8FA4-2E033B07C8E9@aol.com> I haven't looked at it in detail, but you mean that the license expires or the support expires in one year? On Nov 2, 2008, at 21:37 , Matthew Nuzum wrote: > 12 months. Mine said Oct 29th (or whatever) of 2009. > > On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 7:21 PM, Don Cady wrote: >> -snip- >>> this than they ever have, and if even some tiny percent renew at >>> the end of >>> the year, they'd be way ahead >>> >>> -barry >> >> So this will only work through the end of _this_ year? This turned >> out >> not to be worth two stones.. >> >> Don >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> > > > > -- > Matthew Nuzum > newz2000 on freenode > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From barry at vonahsen.com Mon Nov 3 06:43:59 2008 From: barry at vonahsen.com (Barry Von Ahsen) Date: Mon Nov 3 06:44:23 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Free Codeweavers - did it work? In-Reply-To: <470BC0C9-0FA1-4124-8FA4-2E033B07C8E9@aol.com> References: <490B7768.2030908@vonahsen.com> <470BC0C9-0FA1-4124-8FA4-2E033B07C8E9@aol.com> Message-ID: <490EF20F.7070809@vonahsen.com> just the support - the product will continue to work -barry Stuart Thiessen wrote: > I haven't looked at it in detail, but you mean that the license expires > or the support expires in one year? > > On Nov 2, 2008, at 21:37 , Matthew Nuzum wrote: > >> 12 months. Mine said Oct 29th (or whatever) of 2009. >> >> On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 7:21 PM, Don Cady wrote: >>> -snip- >>>> this than they ever have, and if even some tiny percent renew at the >>>> end of >>>> the year, they'd be way ahead >>>> >>>> -barry >>> >>> So this will only work through the end of _this_ year? This turned out >>> not to be worth two stones.. >>> >>> Don >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Cialug mailing list >>> Cialug@cialug.org >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Matthew Nuzum >> newz2000 on freenode >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From newz at bearfruit.org Mon Nov 3 08:48:59 2008 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Mon Nov 3 08:49:23 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Free Codeweavers - did it work? In-Reply-To: <490EF20F.7070809@vonahsen.com> References: <490B7768.2030908@vonahsen.com> <470BC0C9-0FA1-4124-8FA4-2E033B07C8E9@aol.com> <490EF20F.7070809@vonahsen.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 6:43 AM, Barry Von Ahsen wrote: > just the support - the product will continue to work > > -barry > To be more detailed, if you install Windows applications and use them now you'll be able to use them as long as you need to. If a new windows program comes out in a few months you may not get the best support for it until you upgrade to the next version of crossover office. You can upgrade for free until your support runs out. For example, I installed IE 6 no problem in crossover when I bought my license, but by the time IE 7 came out my license had expired. I believe a later update fixed the installation issue I experienced but I didn't have access to that version. They are constantly improving the software so the updates are quite nice. I encourage people that need a windows program to buy the product for 6mo or a year and use crossover as a way to wean yourself from Windows software. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode From daniel.ramaley at drake.edu Mon Nov 3 09:54:13 2008 From: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu (Daniel A. Ramaley) Date: Mon Nov 3 09:54:37 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Masters and Slaves In-Reply-To: <490E7B7F.4040606@visionary.com> References: <490E7B7F.4040606@visionary.com> Message-ID: <200811030954.13876.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> On Sunday November 2 2008 22:18, David Champion wrote: >If so... the best way to make it work is to jumper the drives to > Master and Slave, put the Master drive on the middle connector, and > the Slave drive on the end connector. Reverse that--master goes on the end of the cable, slave in the middle. And if one of the drives is a hard disk and the other is an optical drive, make the optical drive slave. Some OSes (older versions of OpenBSD, for instance) don't work with an optical drive as a master. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Ramaley Dial Center 118, Drake University Network Programmer/Analyst 2407 Carpenter Ave +1 515 271-4540 Des Moines IA 50311 USA From tim_linux at wilson-home.com Mon Nov 3 10:04:10 2008 From: tim_linux at wilson-home.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Nov 3 10:04:34 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Masters and Slaves In-Reply-To: <200811030954.13876.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> References: <490E7B7F.4040606@visionary.com> <200811030954.13876.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> Message-ID: <5a9568c20811030804q589dcb1br44c115ec3a097964@mail.gmail.com> Actually, I've heard both, which probably explains so much confusion. The "latest" thing I heard was to put the master as close to the motherboard as possible. The thought behind it is less cable for the data to travel will give you faster transfer rates. I've also heard that the matching of drive speeds only matters if you're reading/writing from/to both at the same time. So if you have an optical drive as your slave on the same channel as your hard drive, and you're installing an app, listening to a CD (or, uh, "backing up" a DVD), then you should put your optical drive on a different channel, if at all possible. Otherwise, it doesn't make any difference. Wikipedia seems to agree with that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT_Attachment On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Daniel A. Ramaley wrote: > On Sunday November 2 2008 22:18, David Champion wrote: > >If so... the best way to make it work is to jumper the drives to > > Master and Slave, put the Master drive on the middle connector, and > > the Slave drive on the end connector. > > Reverse that--master goes on the end of the cable, slave in the middle. > And if one of the drives is a hard disk and the other is an optical > drive, make the optical drive slave. 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URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20081103/cf8a3e41/attachment.html From jrnosee at gmail.com Mon Nov 3 10:34:38 2008 From: jrnosee at gmail.com (jrnosee@gmail.com) Date: Mon Nov 3 10:35:02 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Ubuntu release & sour grapes blogging In-Reply-To: <490DDE4A.9050609@eric.nu> References: <490B1EDB.80808@visionary.com> <5a9568c20810311429q6ee41a9dnad2a3d9754abe74@mail.gmail.com> <490B86A2.2030304@visionary.com> <5a9568c20810311736k5714c919te56c87ac1296da71@mail.gmail.com> <490DDE4A.9050609@eric.nu> Message-ID: I'm kinda unhappy that Ubtuntu/Gnome isn't relying on the xorg.conf really anymore. I can't figure out how to adjust my synaptics touchpad on my laptop. It's a "wide" pad and ubuntu configures the scoll area to be wider than it should be. (there's a raied divider on my pad, but the scroll area goes out side of that divider) I used to be able to change the size of the scroll area, but now I can't find it. On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Eric Junker wrote: > Dave Crouse wrote: > >> KDE 4.x is definately slower than KDE 3.x is/was. >> > > I'm surprised to hear that. I am not a KDE user so I don't have any first > hand experience but it was always my impression that KDE4 would be faster > than KDE3. KDE4 uses QT4 which has improved memory efficiency. > > This somewhat unscientific benchmark shows KDE4 using less memory than KDE3 > http://tinyurl.com/kde4benchmark > > Eric > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20081103/7b87a44a/attachment.htm From newz at bearfruit.org Mon Nov 3 11:02:22 2008 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Mon Nov 3 11:02:45 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Ubuntu release & sour grapes blogging In-Reply-To: References: <490B1EDB.80808@visionary.com> <5a9568c20810311429q6ee41a9dnad2a3d9754abe74@mail.gmail.com> <490B86A2.2030304@visionary.com> <5a9568c20810311736k5714c919te56c87ac1296da71@mail.gmail.com> <490DDE4A.9050609@eric.nu> Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:34 AM, wrote: > I'm kinda unhappy that Ubtuntu/Gnome isn't relying on the xorg.conf really > anymore. I can't figure out how to adjust my synaptics touchpad on my > laptop. It's a "wide" pad and ubuntu configures the scoll area to be wider > than it should be. (there's a raied divider on my pad, but the scroll area > goes out side of that divider) I used to be able to change the size of the > scroll area, but now I can't find it. I think that x.org still uses xorg.conf. It just ships with a relatively empty config file. My file has this in it: Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Synaptics Touchpad" Driver "synaptics" Option "SendCoreEvents" "true" Option "Device" "/dev/psaux" Option "Protocol" "auto-dev" Option "HorizScrollDelta" "0" EndSection I think this came from the options in the touchpad tab in "mouse preferences." -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode From theron.conrey at dice.com Mon Nov 3 11:44:31 2008 From: theron.conrey at dice.com (Theron Conrey) Date: Mon Nov 3 11:44:56 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Ubuntu release & sour grapes blogging In-Reply-To: References: <490B1EDB.80808@visionary.com> <5a9568c20810311429q6ee41a9dnad2a3d9754abe74@mail.gmail.com> <490B86A2.2030304@visionary.com> <5a9568c20810311736k5714c919te56c87ac1296da71@mail.gmail.com> <490DDE4A.9050609@eric.nu> Message-ID: <2815303B39A4D74C805DCD2049E615B503E68FF937@sdmcexch1.dice.ad> I run Ubuntu on my desktop at work, as well as my laptop, using VMware's workstation to host my companies windows image on my desktop. This has worked extremely well however I ran into an issue with workstation 6.5 after I upgraded to Ubuntu 8.10. The keymapping within my VM was "wonky" and key's did not behave in the correct behavior. I had to manually set a keymap for VMware in my $HOME/.vmware dir as noted in this article (listed as solution #2) http://nthrbldyblg.blogspot.com/2008/06/vmware-and-fubar-keyboard-effect.html Just a heads up. -Theron From newz at bearfruit.org Tue Nov 4 15:16:51 2008 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Tue Nov 4 15:17:18 2008 Subject: [Cialug] irc proxy Message-ID: A couple times a year I wish I could disconnect from IRC and not miss interesting things going on. I've heard of IRC proxies and the way I understand it, they allow your nic to remain connected all the time and your client connects and disconnects from the proxy at will. While disconnected the proxy shows you as away (or something) and when you re-connected you somehow catch-up with what you missed. Does anyone have any experience with this type of product? For me IRC is like (or more important) than my telephone and I just don't have the ability to do much trial and error. The IRC client I use is pidgin. What happens when you use this type of product and reconnect after a weekend, do you suddenly get flooded with all of the backlog? Can anyone recommend a particular IRC proxy I can run on my own personal (Ubuntu 6.06) server? -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode From newz at bearfruit.org Tue Nov 4 15:18:07 2008 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Tue Nov 4 15:18:31 2008 Subject: [Cialug] saving a step in rdns lookups In-Reply-To: <935ead450810081214t1ba8747cr622ec762b531bec6@mail.gmail.com> References: <935ead450810081214t1ba8747cr622ec762b531bec6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: BTW, thanks a bunch Jeff, I've been using this and it works great. 2008/10/8 Jeffrey Ollie : > On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Matthew Nuzum wrote: >> Here is a task I do frequently: >> >> $ host >> has address 11.22.33.44 >> /me copies and pastes the ip address >> $ host >> w.x.y.z.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer >> >> So I'm wondering, is there a way in one command to put in a hostname >> and get out the reverse dns hostname for the machine? The reason is I >> deal with numerous virtual hosts and I have a hard time remembering >> which hosts are on which servers (and it doesn't help that they have a >> tendency to move around without notice). > > I've attached a short little Python script that should fit the bill. > Aside from Python itself you'll need the dnspython library[1]. It's > available on Fedora/RedHat systems as python-dns. Ubuntu/Debian > probably has it as well but I don't know what the package would be > called. > > $ python rdns-check.py www.google.com > www.google.com. > -> 72.14.205.147 > -> qb-in-f147.google.com. > > -> 72.14.205.99 > -> qb-in-f99.google.com. > > -> 72.14.205.103 > -> qb-in-f103.google.com. > > -> 72.14.205.104 > -> qb-in-f104.google.com. > > -- > Jeff Ollie > > "You know, I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair. Then > I thought, wouldn't it be much worse if life were fair, and all the > terrible things that happen to us come because we actually deserve > them? So, now I take great comfort in the general hostility and > unfairness of the universe." > > -- Marcus to Franklin in Babylon 5: "A Late Delivery from Avalon" > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode From chris at ia.gov Tue Nov 4 15:19:43 2008 From: chris at ia.gov (chris) Date: Tue Nov 4 15:21:45 2008 Subject: [Cialug] irc proxy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4910BC6F.4090204@ia.gov> > > The IRC client I use is pidgin. What happens when you use this type of > product and reconnect after a weekend, do you suddenly get flooded > with all of the backlog? Can anyone recommend a particular IRC proxy I > can run on my own personal (Ubuntu 6.06) server? > If you are willing to change clients, consider a combination of irssi (or other console client) and screen. I keep a perpetual connection to freenode with it and never miss a beat. It's as simple as screen -rd to reattach from a new location to your current irc session and pick up where you left off. From nathanism at gmail.com Tue Nov 4 15:22:42 2008 From: nathanism at gmail.com (Nathan Stien) Date: Tue Nov 4 15:23:06 2008 Subject: [Cialug] irc proxy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8b490d600811041322r628a075y7c4c234a2850c233@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Matthew Nuzum wrote: > > A couple times a year I wish I could disconnect from IRC and not miss > interesting things going on. I've heard of IRC proxies and the way I > understand it, they allow your nic to remain connected all the time > and your client connects and disconnects from the proxy at will. While > disconnected the proxy shows you as away (or something) and when you > re-connected you somehow catch-up with what you missed. I want this for other chat networks too. AIM/Jabber/etc. Like screen(1) for chat. - Nathan From dchampion at visionary.com Tue Nov 4 15:23:10 2008 From: dchampion at visionary.com (David Champion) Date: Tue Nov 4 15:23:22 2008 Subject: [Cialug] irc proxy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4910BD3E.1040207@visionary.com> Have you looked into using an IRC bot to do this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC_bot "A bot can also perform many other useful functions, such as logging what happens in an IRC channel..." I've used some in the past. Some of the bot auto reply parsing is fairly good too, if you ever need to do that sort of thing. -dc Matthew Nuzum wrote: > A couple times a year I wish I could disconnect from IRC and not miss > interesting things going on. I've heard of IRC proxies and the way I > understand it, they allow your nic to remain connected all the time > and your client connects and disconnects from the proxy at will. While > disconnected the proxy shows you as away (or something) and when you > re-connected you somehow catch-up with what you missed. > > Does anyone have any experience with this type of product? For me IRC > is like (or more important) than my telephone and I just don't have > the ability to do much trial and error. > > The IRC client I use is pidgin. What happens when you use this type of > product and reconnect after a weekend, do you suddenly get flooded > with all of the backlog? Can anyone recommend a particular IRC proxy I > can run on my own personal (Ubuntu 6.06) server? > > From gray at cs.uni.edu Tue Nov 4 15:21:39 2008 From: gray at cs.uni.edu (Paul Gray) Date: Tue Nov 4 15:24:33 2008 Subject: [Cialug] irc proxy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4910BCE3.8010300@cs.uni.edu> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Matthew Nuzum wrote: > A couple times a year I wish I could disconnect from IRC and not miss > interesting things going on. I've heard of IRC proxies and the way I > understand it, they allow your nic to remain connected all the time > and your client connects and disconnects from the proxy at will. While > disconnected the proxy shows you as away (or something) and when you > re-connected you somehow catch-up with what you missed. > > Does anyone have any experience with this type of product? For me IRC > is like (or more important) than my telephone and I just don't have > the ability to do much trial and error. > > The IRC client I use is pidgin. What happens when you use this type of > product and reconnect after a weekend, do you suddenly get flooded > with all of the backlog? Can anyone recommend a particular IRC proxy I > can run on my own personal (Ubuntu 6.06) server? > Nothing like a text-based solution to an otherwise convoluted problem: "screen irssi" - -- Paul Gray 314 East Gym, Dept. of Computer Science -o) University of Northern Iowa /\\ Supercomputing 2008 Education Program Chair _\_V Message void if penguin violated ... Don't mess with the penguin No one says, "Hey, I can't read that ASCII attachment ya sent me." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkkQvOMACgkQOH45TZW7mh5RQwCgmXIrqqsqDqeEu1zdFDvRiGWD cOgAnRLM6GSmjqY/bkQ/dFc6+698UG5w =8NKg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dchampion at visionary.com Tue Nov 4 15:25:56 2008 From: dchampion at visionary.com (David Champion) Date: Tue Nov 4 15:25:47 2008 Subject: [Cialug] irc proxy In-Reply-To: <8b490d600811041322r628a075y7c4c234a2850c233@mail.gmail.com> References: <8b490d600811041322r628a075y7c4c234a2850c233@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4910BDE4.50500@visionary.com> Nathan Stien wrote: > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Matthew Nuzum wrote: > >> A couple times a year I wish I could disconnect from IRC and not miss >> interesting things going on. I've heard of IRC proxies and the way I >> understand it, they allow your nic to remain connected all the time >> and your client connects and disconnects from the proxy at will. While >> disconnected the proxy shows you as away (or something) and when you >> re-connected you somehow catch-up with what you missed. >> > > I want this for other chat networks too. AIM/Jabber/etc. > > Like screen(1) for chat. > I use pork as my aim client in a screen session. It works pretty well. http://dev.ojnk.net/ -dc From chris at ia.gov Tue Nov 4 15:26:53 2008 From: chris at ia.gov (chris) Date: Tue Nov 4 15:28:53 2008 Subject: [Cialug] irc proxy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4910BE1D.3090803@ia.gov> > > The IRC client I use is pidgin. What happens when you use this type of > product and reconnect after a weekend, do you suddenly get flooded > with all of the backlog? Can anyone recommend a particular IRC proxy I > can run on my own personal (Ubuntu 6.06) server? > Looks like irssi has a proxy module that may do what you are after as well as allow the reconnecting with screen: http://www.garion.org/irssi/irssi-proxy.php http://pthree.org/2007/01/06/irssi-proxy/ From chapinjeff at gmail.com Tue Nov 4 15:44:03 2008 From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin) Date: Tue Nov 4 15:44:31 2008 Subject: [Cialug] irc proxy In-Reply-To: <4910BDE4.50500@visionary.com> References: <8b490d600811041322r628a075y7c4c234a2850c233@mail.gmail.com> <4910BDE4.50500@visionary.com> Message-ID: I have been known to use Finch, the text based libpurple application. libpurple is the back end for pidgin, and thus pretty much what ever pidgin supports, there is a text version of it. It even is able to use your .purple config files from pidgin, and import your settigns, screen names, and saved passwords (if you use them). Jeff Chapin On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:25 PM, David Champion wrote: > Nathan Stien wrote: > >> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Matthew Nuzum wrote: >> >> >>> A couple times a year I wish I could disconnect from IRC and not miss >>> interesting things going on. I've heard of IRC proxies and the way I >>> understand it, they allow your nic to remain connected all the time >>> and your client connects and disconnects from the proxy at will. While >>> disconnected the proxy shows you as away (or something) and when you >>> re-connected you somehow catch-up with what you missed. >>> >>> >> >> I want this for other chat networks too. AIM/Jabber/etc. >> >> Like screen(1) for chat. >> >> > > I use pork as my aim client in a screen session. It works pretty well. > > http://dev.ojnk.net/ > > -dc > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -- Jeff Chapin President, CedarLug, retired President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it" President, UNI Scuba Club Senator, NISG, retired -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20081104/e37f9329/attachment-0001.html From dchampion at visionary.com Tue Nov 4 16:07:11 2008 From: dchampion at visionary.com (David Champion) Date: Tue Nov 4 16:07:23 2008 Subject: [Cialug] irc proxy In-Reply-To: References: <8b490d600811041322r628a075y7c4c234a2850c233@mail.gmail.com> <4910BDE4.50500@visionary.com> Message-ID: <4910C78F.2040805@visionary.com> Interesting... I just installed finch and gave it a try - looks really ugly in my putty + screen session... pork's outline border is also shows up with the wrong characters in that env, but it's usable. It looks great in kde4 + konsole + screen from home. -dc Jeff Chapin wrote: > I have been known to use Finch, the text based libpurple application. > libpurple is the back end for pidgin, and thus pretty much what ever > pidgin supports, there is a text version of it. It even is able to use > your .purple config files from pidgin, and import your settigns, > screen names, and saved passwords (if you use them). > > Jeff Chapin > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:25 PM, David Champion > > wrote: > > Nathan Stien wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Matthew Nuzum > > wrote: > > > A couple times a year I wish I could disconnect from IRC > and not miss > interesting things going on. I've heard of IRC proxies and > the way I > understand it, they allow your nic to remain connected all > the time > and your client connects and disconnects from the proxy at > will. While > disconnected the proxy shows you as away (or something) > and when you > re-connected you somehow catch-up with what you missed. > > > > I want this for other chat networks too. AIM/Jabber/etc. > > Like screen(1) for chat. > > > > I use pork as my aim client in a screen session. It works pretty well. > > http://dev.ojnk.net/ > > -dc > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > > > -- > Jeff Chapin > President, CedarLug, retired > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it" > President, UNI Scuba Club > Senator, NISG, retired From newz at bearfruit.org Tue Nov 4 16:18:22 2008 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Tue Nov 4 16:18:47 2008 Subject: [Cialug] irc proxy In-Reply-To: <4910BC6F.4090204@ia.gov> References: <4910BC6F.4090204@ia.gov> Message-ID: On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:19 PM, chris wrote: >> >> The IRC client I use is pidgin. What happens when you use this type of >> product and reconnect after a weekend, do you suddenly get flooded >> with all of the backlog? Can anyone recommend a particular IRC proxy I >> can run on my own personal (Ubuntu 6.06) server? > > If you are willing to change clients, consider a combination of irssi (or > other console client) and screen. I keep a perpetual connection to freenode > with it and never miss a beat. > I've tried to make the switch to text-based clients like irssi and couldn't (or chose not to) do it. There are three reasons, one is that I rely on audio notifications and the notification area icon. Another reason is that I recently switched to pidgin from xchat because I just disliked having different applications that do about the same thing. Plus the learning curve is too high. I'm so busy lately that I don't have time to learn a completely new paradigm. I'm really happy with pidgin, I'm thinking of something more along the lines of this: http://andy.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/detachable-irc-proxy-dircproxy/ but it seems like there are numerous choices and I'm not feeling brave enough to go into the unknown at the moment. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode From daniel.ramaley at drake.edu Tue Nov 4 16:26:33 2008 From: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu (Daniel A. Ramaley) Date: Tue Nov 4 16:26:57 2008 Subject: [Cialug] irc proxy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200811041626.34074.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> I use pidgin as an ICQ client on my home desktop machine. I leave the program open 24/7 and just set my status to "away" when i'm not at the computer or not interested in chatting. I'm guessing you've already thought of that and rejected it, but if not that may be an option. (I can think of numerous reasons why that might not work: computer is a laptop that isn't always connected, or you turn the computer off at night, or you're on dial-up but have a remote server online 24/7, or...) On Tuesday November 4 2008 15:16, Matthew Nuzum wrote: >A couple times a year I wish I could disconnect from IRC and not miss >interesting things going on. I've heard of IRC proxies and the way I >understand it, they allow your nic to remain connected all the time >and your client connects and disconnects from the proxy at will. While >disconnected the proxy shows you as away (or something) and when you >re-connected you somehow catch-up with what you missed. > >Does anyone have any experience with this type of product? For me IRC >is like (or more important) than my telephone and I just don't have >the ability to do much trial and error. > >The IRC client I use is pidgin. What happens when you use this type of >product and reconnect after a weekend, do you suddenly get flooded >with all of the backlog? Can anyone recommend a particular IRC proxy I >can run on my own personal (Ubuntu 6.06) server? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Ramaley Dial Center 118, Drake University Network Programmer/Analyst 2407 Carpenter Ave +1 515 271-4540 Des Moines IA 50311 USA From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Tue Nov 4 17:43:56 2008 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Tue Nov 4 17:44:49 2008 Subject: [Cialug] irc proxy Message-ID: <491089DC0200002E0002C473@alliancetechnologies.net> Geez guys, how about actually answering Matt's question? It's like someone asks for advice on what four-door sedan to buy, and all his friends tell him to get either a pickup truck or a vespa. ;) Matt, Try using miau ( http://miau.sourceforge.net/ ). I used it for several years and it does pretty much exactly what you describe, and it can connect to multiple IRC networks. When you reconnect, it will flood your client up to the size of the buffer you set. It also allows you to connect multiple clients to it using the same /nick, which allows for some very interesting abuses. :) It will not bridge protocols (until someone gets a Google summer of code project to add that), so other IM systems are out, but it should fit your stated needs very well. -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej@alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 >>> "Matthew Nuzum" 11/04/08 4:18 PM >>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:19 PM, chris wrote: >> >> The IRC client I use is pidgin. What happens when you use this type of >> product and reconnect after a weekend, do you suddenly get flooded >> with all of the backlog? Can anyone recommend a particular IRC proxy I >> can run on my own personal (Ubuntu 6.06) server? > > If you are willing to change clients, consider a combination of irssi (or > other console client) and screen. I keep a perpetual connection to freenode > with it and never miss a beat. > I've tried to make the switch to text-based clients like irssi and couldn't (or chose not to) do it. There are three reasons, one is that I rely on audio notifications and the notification area icon. Another reason is that I recently switched to pidgin from xchat because I just disliked having different applications that do about the same thing. Plus the learning curve is too high. I'm so busy lately that I don't have time to learn a completely new paradigm. I'm really happy with pidgin, I'm thinking of something more along the lines of this: http://andy.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/detachable-irc-proxy-dircproxy/ but it seems like there are numerous choices and I'm not feeling brave enough to go into the unknown at the moment. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cmlburnett at gmail.com Tue Nov 4 18:09:37 2008 From: cmlburnett at gmail.com (Colin Burnett) Date: Tue Nov 4 18:10:03 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Gmail archiving and firefox reading as text/plain Message-ID: Two questions I think are simple so I'll just do one email instead of two. 1) I'd like to archive my gmail email locally and I know there's lots of options out there, what do you use? I'm looking for something cron'able (so no Thunderbird, etc.) and I don't really care about the saving format so long as I can grep or whatever if gmail dies on me. If it's just a POP solution then I guess it's not a gmail-specific question. Does fetchmail pretty much answer this question? 2) In the "saving a step in rdns lookups" thread, Jeff attached a python script and that reminded me: is there a way to get Firefox to show that file as just plaintext (in browser) instead of forcing me to another application? Colin From dchampion at visionary.com Tue Nov 4 18:18:20 2008 From: dchampion at visionary.com (David Champion) Date: Tue Nov 4 18:18:31 2008 Subject: [Cialug] irc proxy In-Reply-To: <491089DC0200002E0002C473@alliancetechnologies.net> References: <491089DC0200002E0002C473@alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: <4910E64C.5030207@visionary.com> Josh More wrote: > Geez guys, how about actually answering Matt's question? Are you new here? :p -dc From kristau at gmail.com Tue Nov 4 20:29:53 2008 From: kristau at gmail.com (kristau) Date: Tue Nov 4 20:30:16 2008 Subject: [Cialug] irc proxy In-Reply-To: <4910E64C.5030207@visionary.com> References: <491089DC0200002E0002C473@alliancetechnologies.net> <4910E64C.5030207@visionary.com> Message-ID: <3effba680811041829g2927bf40y7f33b6ecf9b28365@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 7:18 PM, David Champion wrote: > Josh More wrote: >> >> Geez guys, how about actually answering Matt's question? > > Are you new here? :p > > -dc What was the question again? Matt, since you stated that text-based solutions were out, please ignore this response. I've used centericq in the past as a multi-protocol chat client, running under screen. At the moment, I use irssi running under screen for IRC, and I just use pidgin to connect pro re nata (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_re_nata). -- Tired programmer Coding late into the night The core dump follows My GNUPG public key is available at http://www.kristau.net/public_key.asc From chris at ia.gov Tue Nov 4 20:44:17 2008 From: chris at ia.gov (chris) Date: Tue Nov 4 20:46:18 2008 Subject: [Cialug] irc proxy In-Reply-To: <491089DC0200002E0002C473@alliancetechnologies.net> References: <491089DC0200002E0002C473@alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: <49110881.8040800@ia.gov> Josh More wrote: > Geez guys, how about actually answering Matt's question? It's like > someone asks for advice on what four-door sedan to buy, and all his > friends tell him to get either a pickup truck or a vespa. ;) > Sorry perhaps I was not clear in my second email where I tried to point out that irssi itself has a function to behave like as a persistent irc proxy that you may connect to with any client. I believe this fits his specified needs. From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Tue Nov 4 22:05:54 2008 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Tue Nov 4 22:06:46 2008 Subject: [Cialug] irc proxy Message-ID: <4910C7420200002E0002C48C@alliancetechnologies.net> Ah, I did not interpret it that way, I thought irssi's proxy was for irssi only. Yes, you answered the question. Sorry for disparaging you. :) -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej@alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 >>> chris 11/04/08 8:44 PM >>> Sorry perhaps I was not clear in my second email where I tried to point out that irssi itself has a function to behave like as a persistent irc proxy that you may connect to with any client. I believe this fits his specified needs. _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From pmcgillan at pateri.com Wed Nov 5 07:38:19 2008 From: pmcgillan at pateri.com (pmcgillan@pateri.com) Date: Wed Nov 5 07:37:28 2008 Subject: [Cialug] todays humor In-Reply-To: <4910C7420200002E0002C48C@alliancetechnologies.net> References: <4910C7420200002E0002C48C@alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: <63009.132.50.10.46.1225892299.squirrel@mail.pateri.com> Software Development Cycle Software doesn't just appear on the shelves by magic. That program shrink-wrapped inside the box along with the indecipherable manual and 12-paragraph disclaimer notice actually came to you by way of an elaborate path, through the most rigid quality control on the planet. Here, shared for the first time with the general public, are the inside details of the program development cycle. 1 Programmer produces code he believes is bug-free. 2 Product is tested. 20 bugs are found. 3 Programmer fixes 10 of the bugs and explains to the testing department that the other 10 aren't really bugs. 4 Testing department finds that five of the fixes didn't work and discovers 15 new bugs. 5 See 3. 6 See 4. 7 See 5. 8 See 6. 9 See 7. 10 See 8. 11 Due to marketing pressure and an extremely premature product announcement based on an overly optimistic programming schedule, the product is released. 12 Users find 137 new bugs. 13 Original programmer, having cashed his royalty check, is nowhere to be found. 14 Newly-assembled programming team fixes almost all of the 137 bugs, but introduce 456 new ones. 15 Original programmer sends underpaid testing department a postcard from Fiji. Entire testing department quits. 16 Company is bought in a hostile takeover by competitor using profits from their latest release, which had 783 bugs. 17 New CEO is brought in by board of directors. He hires programmer to redo program from scratch. 18 Programmer produces code he believes is bug-free. From daniel.ramaley at drake.edu Wed Nov 5 07:56:04 2008 From: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu (Daniel A. Ramaley) Date: Wed Nov 5 07:56:28 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Gmail archiving and firefox reading as text/plain In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200811050756.05028.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> On Tuesday November 4 2008 18:09, Colin Burnett wrote: >1) I'd like to archive my gmail email locally and I know there's lots >of options out there, what do you use? Could you run a local imap server and use imapsync? It should be cron'able as you requested, and will get all your folders ("labels") and everything. We recently used it at work to migrate ~8000 accounts from one e-mail system to another. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Ramaley Dial Center 118, Drake University Network Programmer/Analyst 2407 Carpenter Ave +1 515 271-4540 Des Moines IA 50311 USA From cmlburnett at gmail.com Wed Nov 5 08:31:25 2008 From: cmlburnett at gmail.com (Colin Burnett) Date: Wed Nov 5 08:31:48 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Gmail archiving and firefox reading as text/plain In-Reply-To: <200811050756.05028.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> References: <200811050756.05028.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Daniel A. Ramaley wrote: > On Tuesday November 4 2008 18:09, Colin Burnett wrote: >>1) I'd like to archive my gmail email locally and I know there's lots >>of options out there, what do you use? > > Could you run a local imap server and use imapsync? It should be > cron'able as you requested, and will get all your folders ("labels") > and everything. We recently used it at work to migrate ~8000 accounts > from one e-mail system to another. I could but my preference is not to. I first tried fetchmail but it was wanting a local mail server to deliver to. I then gave getmail a shot and it seemed to pull the emails down into a Maildir format but I had to manually list my "folders", or at least I didn't readily find an option to tell it to look at all of them. My goal isn't to use this copy for actual use (a local imap server is heading that direction) just a plain-Jane backup/archive/copy for whatever reason. Colin From cmlburnett at gmail.com Wed Nov 5 08:34:55 2008 From: cmlburnett at gmail.com (Colin Burnett) Date: Wed Nov 5 08:35:19 2008 Subject: [Cialug] todays humor In-Reply-To: <63009.132.50.10.46.1225892299.squirrel@mail.pateri.com> References: <4910C7420200002E0002C48C@alliancetechnologies.net> <63009.132.50.10.46.1225892299.squirrel@mail.pateri.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 7:38 AM, wrote: > Software Development Cycle And then there's requirements: http://www.dlevel.com/blogs/alex/images/software_development.jpg Colin From newz at bearfruit.org Wed Nov 5 08:36:37 2008 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Wed Nov 5 08:37:02 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Gmail archiving and firefox reading as text/plain In-Reply-To: <200811050756.05028.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> References: <200811050756.05028.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Daniel A. Ramaley wrote: > > On Tuesday November 4 2008 18:09, Colin Burnett wrote: > >1) I'd like to archive my gmail email locally and I know there's lots > >of options out there, what do you use? > > Could you run a local imap server and use imapsync? It should be > cron'able as you requested, and will get all your folders ("labels") > and everything. We recently used it at work to migrate ~8000 accounts > from one e-mail system to another. I was thinkign the same thing but the only folder you really need is the "all mail" folder since it contains everything. If you do all folders you'll potentially get a lot of duplicates since you can give one email multiple labels. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode From newz at bearfruit.org Wed Nov 5 15:16:58 2008 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Wed Nov 5 15:17:22 2008 Subject: [Cialug] irc proxy In-Reply-To: <4910C7420200002E0002C48C@alliancetechnologies.net> References: <4910C7420200002E0002C48C@alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the help guys, irssi as a proxy seems a bit limited, though that was indeed the type of thing I was looking for. I checked out miau which had promise because it was nearly the same as my daughter's name. However there were no packages for it. I did get some good search words from their site and after more googling found "bip" which appears to be perfect. I'm using it now. On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 10:05 PM, Josh More wrote: > Ah, I did not interpret it that way, I thought irssi's proxy was for > irssi only. > > Yes, you answered the question. Sorry for disparaging you. :) > > > > -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC > morej@alliancetechnologies.net > 515-245-7701 > >>>> chris 11/04/08 8:44 PM >>> > > Sorry perhaps I was not clear in my second email where I tried to point > out that irssi itself has a function to behave > like as a persistent irc proxy that you may connect to with any client. > I believe this fits his specified needs. > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode From doncady at gmail.com Wed Nov 5 17:00:39 2008 From: doncady at gmail.com (Don Cady) Date: Wed Nov 5 17:01:04 2008 Subject: [Cialug] irc proxy In-Reply-To: References: <4910C7420200002E0002C48C@alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: Sounds perfect for running on a slug! Don On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 3:16 PM, Matthew Nuzum wrote: > Thanks for the help guys, irssi as a proxy seems a bit limited, though > that was indeed the type of thing I was looking for. I checked out > miau which had promise because it was nearly the same as my daughter's > name. However there were no packages for it. I did get some good > search words from their site and after more googling found "bip" which > appears to be perfect. I'm using it now. > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 10:05 PM, Josh More > wrote: >> Ah, I did not interpret it that way, I thought irssi's proxy was for >> irssi only. >> >> Yes, you answered the question. Sorry for disparaging you. :) >> >> >> >> -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC >> morej@alliancetechnologies.net >> 515-245-7701 >> >>>>> chris 11/04/08 8:44 PM >>> >> >> Sorry perhaps I was not clear in my second email where I tried to point >> out that irssi itself has a function to behave >> like as a persistent irc proxy that you may connect to with any client. >> I believe this fits his specified needs. >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> > > > > -- > Matthew Nuzum > newz2000 on freenode > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From cwfreeman at gmail.com Fri Nov 7 06:43:39 2008 From: cwfreeman at gmail.com (Chris Freeman) Date: Fri Nov 7 06:44:07 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Gmail archiving and firefox reading as text/plain In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3afd8deb0811070443u766c2248nd1a27821f16cb071@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 6:09 PM, Colin Burnett wrote: > Two questions I think are simple so I'll just do one email instead of two. > > 1) I'd like to archive my gmail email locally and I know there's lots > of options out there, what do you use? I'm looking for something > cron'able (so no Thunderbird, etc.) and I don't really care about the > saving format so long as I can grep or whatever if gmail dies on me. > If it's just a POP solution then I guess it's not a gmail-specific > question. Does fetchmail pretty much answer this question? > I haven't tried it yet, but I just ran across gmail-backup ( http://www.gmail-backup.com). It looks pretty beta, but it might be what you want. Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20081107/634ada8b/attachment.htm From newz at bearfruit.org Sun Nov 9 13:32:56 2008 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Sun Nov 9 13:33:19 2008 Subject: [Cialug] New 250 GB laptop HDD Message-ID: I bought a new-to-me laptop without a hard drive so went to newegg and ordered a drive. However the laptop takes the small 1.8" hard drive and I assumed it took the normal 2.5" drive. Therefore I have a new, unopened, oem-packaged 250GB IDE/PATA hard drive. I have an RMA to return it to newegg but they charge 15% restocking and I'd have to pay for shipping. I thought I'd send a quick note to try and cut my losses. I paid $80 + about $10 shipping a couple days ago. If someone wants it for $75 then I think it would be a win-win situation. Don't reply-all, instead send to me off-list and we'll arrange to make the swap. I will give you the receipt in case you ever need to get warranty replacement. The drive is a western digital scorpio ATA-6 250GB 8MB cache with 12ms average seek time and 5,400 rpm spindle speed. I've bought another one recently for a different computer and it's really a great drive. Very fast and quiet and interestingly enough uses only 550ma of current, which makes it far more power efficient than many common drives (another laptop hdd on my desk, toshiba 40GB, uses 1,000ma) so you may actually get better battery life by upgrading. I'll be out and around tomorrow running errands, probably on the west side, so if you want it I could possibly meet you somewhere. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode From tim_linux at wilson-home.com Sun Nov 9 13:42:17 2008 From: tim_linux at wilson-home.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Sun Nov 9 13:42:41 2008 Subject: [Cialug] New 250 GB laptop HDD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5a9568c20811091142n3bb289d0r186545320342fdb3@mail.gmail.com> You could always buy a case for it and use it as external storage. On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Matthew Nuzum wrote: > I bought a new-to-me laptop without a hard drive so went to newegg and > ordered a drive. However the laptop takes the small 1.8" hard drive > and I assumed it took the normal 2.5" drive. Therefore I have a new, > unopened, oem-packaged 250GB IDE/PATA hard drive. I have an RMA to > return it to newegg but they charge 15% restocking and I'd have to pay > for shipping. > > I thought I'd send a quick note to try and cut my losses. I paid $80 + > about $10 shipping a couple days ago. If someone wants it for $75 then > I think it would be a win-win situation. Don't reply-all, instead send > to me off-list and we'll arrange to make the swap. I will give you the > receipt in case you ever need to get warranty replacement. > > The drive is a western digital scorpio ATA-6 250GB 8MB cache with 12ms > average seek time and 5,400 rpm spindle speed. I've bought another one > recently for a different computer and it's really a great drive. Very > fast and quiet and interestingly enough uses only 550ma of current, > which makes it far more power efficient than many common drives > (another laptop hdd on my desk, toshiba 40GB, uses 1,000ma) so you may > actually get better battery life by upgrading. > > I'll be out and around tomorrow running errands, probably on the west > side, so if you want it I could possibly meet you somewhere. > > -- > Matthew Nuzum > newz2000 on freenode > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -- Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Looking forward to seeing some of you there. -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej@alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 From tdwalton at gmail.com Sun Nov 9 17:43:49 2008 From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton) Date: Sun Nov 9 17:44:13 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Shadow not MD5? Message-ID: I thought that /etc/shadow had the md5 hash of my password. But when I hash my password it doesn't come out looking like what's in /etc/shadow. How does that work? -todd From atporter at gmail.com Sun Nov 9 17:55:47 2008 From: atporter at gmail.com (Aaron Porter) Date: Sun Nov 9 17:56:11 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Shadow not MD5? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <667aab920811091555n55e0dfa2s2c008e442d3de16f@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Todd Walton wrote: > I thought that /etc/shadow had the md5 hash of my password. But when > I hash my password it doesn't come out looking like what's in > /etc/shadow. What did you use for your salt? From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Sun Nov 9 17:56:28 2008 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Sun Nov 9 17:57:02 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Shadow not MD5? Message-ID: <4917244C0200002E0002C64C@alliancetechnologies.net> Shadow can be SHA, MD5 or Blowfish. (DES might still work, but you really shouldn't use it even if you can). -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej@alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 >>> "Todd Walton" 11/09/08 5:43 PM >>> I thought that /etc/shadow had the md5 hash of my password. But when I hash my password it doesn't come out looking like what's in /etc/shadow. How does that work? -todd _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From tdwalton at gmail.com Sun Nov 9 20:42:25 2008 From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton) Date: Sun Nov 9 20:42:49 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Shadow not MD5? In-Reply-To: <667aab920811091555n55e0dfa2s2c008e442d3de16f@mail.gmail.com> References: <667aab920811091555n55e0dfa2s2c008e442d3de16f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Aaron Porter wrote: > What did you use for your salt? Salt? I mean, I know what you mean by salt, but I didn't think there was a salt involved. I put my password into md5crack.com. -todd From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Mon Nov 10 19:34:13 2008 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Mon Nov 10 19:35:00 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Solaris Job Opportunity Message-ID: <49188CB50200002E0002C951@alliancetechnologies.net> This job is NOT with Alliance. I am just passing it along at Amanda's request. If you are interested, please reply directly to her at amanda@erltd.net . ---start job--- Our downtown client is seeking a Unix Admin to convert Sun Solaris 9 to 10. Ultimately it is responsible for the Unix Services platform technology and infrastructure strategy design. Duties include: Mentoring a team of Unix Engineers analyzing and designing the Unix Services infrastructure Lead and participate in complex projects Project Management Managing platform budget development and effective execution and vendor direction Work in consultative mode of the applicability and fit of new designs, technologies, and products Salary up to 85K with bonus and excellent benefits Qualified candidates will have a bachelor's degree, systems management experience in a UNIX-based environment (Sybase, IQ, ASE, and UNIX apps in a production environment), UNIX (Sun Solaris, HP-UX) network administration working in a heterogeneous setting with TCP/IP, IBM mainframes, and current Windows operating system, mainframe, Intel, UNIX, and Linux systems including network management systems. Also required is enterprise expertise of Sun Solaris operating systems, servers, services and architectures, experience leading enterprise level projects and cross-functional teams, and UNIX programming using Perl, HTML, Java, JavaScript, and shell scripting. CSNA preferred. ---end job--- -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej@alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 From John.Lengeling at radisys.com Tue Nov 11 12:03:43 2008 From: John.Lengeling at radisys.com (John Lengeling) Date: Tue Nov 11 12:04:09 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Looking for a simple parallelization command In-Reply-To: <49188CB50200002E0002C951@alliancetechnologies.net> References: <49188CB50200002E0002C951@alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: I have a script which sequentially performs some operations across multiple databases. Since this is running on a 32 core server, I would like to investigate running a number of these operations in parallel. Are there any simple utilities out there which when given a list of commands will run them parallel? Thanks, johnl From kula at tproa.net Tue Nov 11 12:15:44 2008 From: kula at tproa.net (Thomas Kula) Date: Tue Nov 11 12:16:09 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Looking for a simple parallelization command In-Reply-To: References: <49188CB50200002E0002C951@alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: <20081111181544.GB1087@mcketrick.tproa.net> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 10:03:43AM -0800, John Lengeling wrote: > I have a script which sequentially performs some operations across > multiple databases. Since this is running on a 32 core server, I would > like to investigate running a number of these operations in parallel. > Are there any simple utilities out there which when given a list of > commands will run them parallel? It's not necessarily a simple utility, but our AFS backups here are driven by that old warhorse, make, which allows us to do some parts in parallel. If you have a fixed number of databases (or a number of databases that doesn't change all that often) you could do something like this in a Makefile: default: make -j 4 jobs jobs: job1 job2 job3 job4 job5 ... job1: command to run against db 1 job2: command to run against db 2 ... Make handles having N jobs running (in this example, N happens to be 4) in parallel, and starting a new job when one has finished. Someone who is better than I am with Makefiles can probably make that somewhat generic, even. -- Thomas L. Kula | kula@tproa.net | http://kula.tproa.net/ Mathom House in Midtown, The People's Republic of Ames From nathanism at gmail.com Tue Nov 11 12:32:19 2008 From: nathanism at gmail.com (Nathan Stien) Date: Tue Nov 11 12:32:46 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Looking for a simple parallelization command In-Reply-To: References: <49188CB50200002E0002C951@alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: <8b490d600811111032m7155a050v86c8d9743b0ed0c4@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 12:03 PM, John Lengeling wrote: > I have a script which sequentially performs some operations across > multiple databases. Since this is running on a 32 core server, I would > like to investigate running a number of these operations in parallel. > Are there any simple utilities out there which when given a list of > commands will run them parallel? > A very simple way to do this interactively is to open a bunch of tabs in Konsole, and then set it to "send input to all sessions". Obviously this approach has a lot of drawbacks (requires a GUI), and might not fit your needs. But it's dirt cheap to try. You might also be able to hack something up with dsh, the Distributed Shell. - Nathan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20081111/8210230e/attachment.htm From eric at eric.nu Tue Nov 11 12:43:11 2008 From: eric at eric.nu (Eric Junker) Date: Tue Nov 11 12:43:40 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Looking for a simple parallelization command In-Reply-To: References: <49188CB50200002E0002C951@alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: <4919D23F.1090408@eric.nu> John Lengeling wrote: > Are there any simple utilities out there which when given a list of > commands will run them parallel? Bash supports subshells which should allow you to execute multiple subtasks simultaneously. http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/subshells.html Eric From barry at vonahsen.com Tue Nov 11 12:56:30 2008 From: barry at vonahsen.com (Barry Von Ahsen) Date: Tue Nov 11 12:56:43 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Looking for a simple parallelization command In-Reply-To: <4919D23F.1090408@eric.nu> References: <49188CB50200002E0002C951@alliancetechnologies.net> <4919D23F.1090408@eric.nu> Message-ID: <4919D55E.30608@vonahsen.com> Eric Junker wrote: > John Lengeling wrote: >> Are there any simple utilities out there which when given a list of >> commands will run them parallel? > > Bash supports subshells which should allow you to execute multiple > subtasks simultaneously. > > http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/subshells.html Andrew Howard posted this to cedarlug a while back (backgrounding and wait): >Are there any good ways to get process level parallelism in a shell >script? > >I have a shell script that calls about 8 independent programs, one >after the other, before calling a 9th that processes the 8 programs' >outputs. >(One could consider it a bit of a "reduction".) > If it can be done, it can be done in bash: #!/bin/bash prog1 () { echo Program 1; } prog2 () { echo Program 2; } prog3 () { echo Program 3; } prog4 () { echo Program 4; } prog1 > /tmp/prog1out & pid1=$! prog2 > /tmp/prog2out & pid2=$! prog3 > /tmp/prog3out & pid3=$! prog4 > /tmp/prog4out & pid4=$! wait $pid1 $pid2 $pid3 $pid4 cat /tmp/prog[1-4]out -barry From daniel.ramaley at drake.edu Tue Nov 11 15:24:26 2008 From: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu (Daniel A. Ramaley) Date: Tue Nov 11 15:24:51 2008 Subject: [Cialug] ssh oddness Message-ID: <200811111524.26999.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> In the past when i'd ssh to a new machine an entry would get written to my ~/.ssh/known_hosts file of this basic form: hostname.mydomain.edu,10.1.2.3 ssh-rsa AAAAB3N== But lately i get a much less useful entry that looks more like this: |1|= ssh-rsa AAAAB3N== and it is no longer possible to see which entry belongs to what machine. Any idea what might have changed to cause this, and how to change it back? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Ramaley Dial Center 118, Drake University Network Programmer/Analyst 2407 Carpenter Ave +1 515 271-4540 Des Moines IA 50311 USA From kula at tproa.net Tue Nov 11 15:31:06 2008 From: kula at tproa.net (Thomas Kula) Date: Tue Nov 11 15:31:31 2008 Subject: [Cialug] ssh oddness In-Reply-To: <200811111524.26999.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> References: <200811111524.26999.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> Message-ID: <20081111213106.GC1087@mcketrick.tproa.net> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 03:24:26PM -0600, Daniel A. Ramaley wrote: > In the past when i'd ssh to a new machine an entry would get written to > my ~/.ssh/known_hosts file of this basic form: > > hostname.mydomain.edu,10.1.2.3 ssh-rsa AAAAB3N== > > But lately i get a much less useful entry that looks more like this: > > |1|= ssh-rsa AAAAB3N== > > and it is no longer possible to see which entry belongs to what machine. > Any idea what might have changed to cause this, and how to change it > back? I'm betting your distro has changed to have the ssh_config option HashKnownHosts on. Turning it off will prevent future hashing of host names, although it won't unhash those already hashed, of course. -- Thomas L. Kula | kula@tproa.net | http://kula.tproa.net/ Mathom House in Midtown, The People's Republic of Ames From zach at kotlarek.com Tue Nov 11 15:40:01 2008 From: zach at kotlarek.com (Zachary Kotlarek) Date: Tue Nov 11 15:40:30 2008 Subject: [Cialug] ssh oddness In-Reply-To: <200811111524.26999.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> References: <200811111524.26999.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> Message-ID: <232F098B-3048-43BB-B60B-C895AA9EF1D5@kotlarek.com> On Nov 11, 2008, at 3:24 PM, Daniel A. Ramaley wrote: > In the past when i'd ssh to a new machine an entry would get written > to > my ~/.ssh/known_hosts file of this basic form: > > hostname.mydomain.edu,10.1.2.3 ssh-rsa AAAAB3N== > > But lately i get a much less useful entry that looks more like this: > > |1|= ssh-rsa AAAAB3N== > > and it is no longer possible to see which entry belongs to what > machine. > Any idea what might have changed to cause this, and how to change it > back? The option for OpenSSH is "HashKnownHosts". It's new in the last year to OpenSSH, and while not the default in the OpenSSH sources it is the default in many distros. Unless you're going back to manually verify keys after you've accepted them or otherwise mucking about in the file outside of the ssh tools* it's probably something you want to leave enabled to enhance privacy. *It's worth noting that host key error message now include line numbers to make tasks like deleting a bad key easy even without readable hostnames. -- HashKnownHosts Indicates that ssh(1) should hash host names and addresses when they are added to ~/.ssh/known_hosts. These hashed names may be used normally by ssh(1) and sshd(8), but they do not reveal identifying infor- mation should the file's contents be disclosed. The default is ``no''. Note that existing names and addresses in known hosts files will not be converted automatically, but may be manually hashed using ssh-keygen(1). -- Also note that ssh-keygen has some new modes to let you search for things in the hashed file and convert old files: -F hostname Search for the specified hostname in a known_hosts file, listing any occurrences found. This option is useful to find hashed host names or addresses and may also be used in conjunction with the -H option to print found keys in a hashed format. -H Hash a known_hosts file. This replaces all hostnames and addresses with hashed representations within the specified file; the original content is moved to a file with a .old suffix. These hashes may be used normally by ssh and sshd, but they do not reveal identifying information should the file's contents be disclosed. This option will not modify existing hashed hostnames and is therefore safe to use on files that mix hashed and non-hashed names. -R hostname Removes all keys belonging to hostname from a known_hosts file. This option is useful to delete hashed hosts (see the -H option above). Zach -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2746 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20081111/3ba9360b/smime.bin From daniel.ramaley at drake.edu Tue Nov 11 15:42:25 2008 From: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu (Daniel A. Ramaley) Date: Tue Nov 11 15:42:49 2008 Subject: [Cialug] ssh oddness In-Reply-To: <20081111213106.GC1087@mcketrick.tproa.net> References: <200811111524.26999.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> <20081111213106.GC1087@mcketrick.tproa.net> Message-ID: <200811111542.25861.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> On Tuesday November 11 2008 15:31, Thomas Kula wrote: >I'm betting your distro has changed to have the ssh_config >option HashKnownHosts on. Turning it off will prevent future >hashing of host names, although it won't unhash those already >hashed, of course. Hey, that worked. Thanks! Is there some benefit i'm missing to having them hashed? It has been more of an annoyance than anything else to me. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Ramaley Dial Center 118, Drake University Network Programmer/Analyst 2407 Carpenter Ave +1 515 271-4540 Des Moines IA 50311 USA From atporter at gmail.com Tue Nov 11 15:44:11 2008 From: atporter at gmail.com (Aaron Porter) Date: Tue Nov 11 15:44:37 2008 Subject: [Cialug] ssh oddness In-Reply-To: <200811111524.26999.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> References: <200811111524.26999.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> Message-ID: <667aab920811111344k58f8b69ao974074f6c79bea85@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Daniel A. Ramaley wrote: > and it is no longer possible to see which entry belongs to what machine. > Any idea what might have changed to cause this, and how to change it > back? Others have answered the what and how, FYI the WHY is to reduce the usefullnes of a single compromised account for launching attacks against other hosts using shared credentials. It seems that most users with bad passwords and/or insecure ssh-keys tend to reuse those same bad credentials as often as they are allowed. From zach at kotlarek.com Tue Nov 11 15:50:39 2008 From: zach at kotlarek.com (Zachary Kotlarek) Date: Tue Nov 11 15:51:06 2008 Subject: [Cialug] ssh oddness In-Reply-To: <667aab920811111344k58f8b69ao974074f6c79bea85@mail.gmail.com> References: <200811111524.26999.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> <667aab920811111344k58f8b69ao974074f6c79bea85@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <74D4F9C4-CF09-482A-A86C-98A489273E63@kotlarek.com> On Nov 11, 2008, at 3:44 PM, Aaron Porter wrote: > Others have answered the what and how, FYI the WHY is to reduce the > usefullnes of a single compromised account for launching attacks > against other hosts using shared credentials. It seems that most users > with bad passwords and/or insecure ssh-keys tend to reuse those same > bad credentials as often as they are allowed. Even if your account is not comprised it's still a good idea. The known_hosts file is typically world-readable, so anyone/anything with local file access (think broken web server) could read it and provide an attacker a list of hosts that are known to accept SSH connections from the current machine, and a good guess at a valid username for that host. Zach -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Ramaley) Date: Wed Nov 12 11:12:47 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Looking for a simple parallelization command In-Reply-To: References: <49188CB50200002E0002C951@alliancetechnologies.net> <4919D55E.30608@vonahsen.com> Message-ID: <200811121112.24040.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> On Wednesday November 12 2008 11:09, Matthew Nuzum wrote: >Hi, what does $! do? (I tried searching but $! made google unhappy) =46rom the "Special Parameters" section of the bash man page: ! Expands to the process ID of the most recently executed back=1B$B= !>=1B(B ground (asynchronous) command. =2D----------------------------------------------------------------------- Dan Ramaley Dial Center 118, Drake University Network Programmer/Analyst 2407 Carpenter Ave +1 515 271-4540 Des Moines IA 50311 USA From tdwalton at gmail.com Thu Nov 13 12:18:20 2008 From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton) Date: Thu Nov 13 12:18:48 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Webcams Message-ID: I'm considering buying a Logitech QuickCam Connect webcam to be used in Linux. It uses a "UVC" driver, which apparently makes webcams as simple to use as a USB thumb drive. I see good support for Logitech on the Linux UVC driver page: http://linux-uvc.berlios.de/ , but it does not specifically list the QuickCam Connect. Surely it's okay. -todd From newz at bearfruit.org Thu Nov 13 12:39:54 2008 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Thu Nov 13 12:40:19 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Webcams In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Todd Walton wrote: > I'm considering buying a Logitech QuickCam Connect webcam to be used > in Linux. It uses a "UVC" driver, which apparently makes webcams as > simple to use as a USB thumb drive. I see good support for Logitech > on the Linux UVC driver page: http://linux-uvc.berlios.de/ , but it > does not specifically list the QuickCam Connect. Surely it's okay. I have a logitech camera that works great, though I'm not sure what model it is. It was not very costly. See attached image. when I run dmesg after plugging it in I see mention of zc0301 image processor and control chip, pas202bcb image sensor and snd-usb-audio (for the built in microphone). It was advertised as a laptop or to attach to an LCD but it had a little stand that made it work mounted on a monitor. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Image026.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 23112 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20081113/9bad8748/Image026-0001.jpeg From nathanism at gmail.com Thu Nov 13 15:30:56 2008 From: nathanism at gmail.com (Nathan Stien) Date: Thu Nov 13 15:31:22 2008 Subject: [Cialug] opinions on free software Ghost alternatives? Message-ID: <8b490d600811131330w1a306f3o2f94ed62fc68f8f1@mail.gmail.com> Howdy cialuggers, I need to do some Norton Ghost type stuff. Not willing to buy it. I've googled up Ghost4Unix [1] and FOG [2]. Haven't tried either. Anyone have any opinions on these or other tools? [1]: http://www.feyrer.de/g4u/ [2]: http://www.fogproject.org/ This is the general idea of what I am looking to do: 1. put in ghost-like boot disc 2. boot machine to be cloned/restored 3. send [compressed] clone image over network / apply new image pulled from network 4. rinse and repeat as desired I need support for both MS and non-MS filesystems. - Nathan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20081113/728f1a0e/attachment.htm From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Thu Nov 13 15:33:53 2008 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Thu Nov 13 15:34:17 2008 Subject: [Cialug] opinions on free software Ghost alternatives? In-Reply-To: <8b490d600811131330w1a306f3o2f94ed62fc68f8f1@mail.gmail.com> References: <8b490d600811131330w1a306f3o2f94ed62fc68f8f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Check out clonezilla too. I saw it demonstrated but have not had a chance to make a go of it myself yet. It supports PXE booting too which can be really handy. I think it also does multicast cloning, but, need to revisit. FOG looks cool. Please let us know what you choose and why once you make a decision. -Nate ________________________________ From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of Nathan Stien Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:31 PM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: [Cialug] opinions on free software Ghost alternatives? Howdy cialuggers, I need to do some Norton Ghost type stuff. Not willing to buy it. I've googled up Ghost4Unix [1] and FOG [2]. Haven't tried either. Anyone have any opinions on these or other tools? [1]: http://www.feyrer.de/g4u/ [2]: http://www.fogproject.org/ This is the general idea of what I am looking to do: 1. put in ghost-like boot disc 2. boot machine to be cloned/restored 3. send [compressed] clone image over network / apply new image pulled from network 4. rinse and repeat as desired I need support for both MS and non-MS filesystems. - Nathan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20081113/2b47f288/attachment.html From dchampion at visionary.com Thu Nov 13 15:37:27 2008 From: dchampion at visionary.com (David Champion) Date: Thu Nov 13 15:37:36 2008 Subject: [Cialug] opinions on free software Ghost alternatives? In-Reply-To: <8b490d600811131330w1a306f3o2f94ed62fc68f8f1@mail.gmail.com> References: <8b490d600811131330w1a306f3o2f94ed62fc68f8f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <491C9E17.2090805@visionary.com> I've use this one before, and it worked well for me. http://sourceforge.net/projects/g4l/ It does a dd copy of the partition... see previous cialug conversations about why this may or may not be for you. -dc Nathan Stien wrote: > Howdy cialuggers, > > I need to do some Norton Ghost type stuff. Not willing to buy it. > > I've googled up Ghost4Unix [1] and FOG [2]. Haven't tried either. Anyone > have any opinions on these or other tools? > > [1]: http://www.feyrer.de/g4u/ > [2]: http://www.fogproject.org/ > > This is the general idea of what I am looking to do: > > 1. put in ghost-like boot disc > 2. boot machine to be cloned/restored > 3. send [compressed] clone image over network / apply new image pulled from > network > 4. rinse and repeat as desired > > I need support for both MS and non-MS filesystems. > > - Nathan > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From nathanism at gmail.com Thu Nov 13 15:43:49 2008 From: nathanism at gmail.com (Nathan Stien) Date: Thu Nov 13 15:44:13 2008 Subject: [Cialug] opinions on free software Ghost alternatives? In-Reply-To: <491C9E17.2090805@visionary.com> References: <8b490d600811131330w1a306f3o2f94ed62fc68f8f1@mail.gmail.com> <491C9E17.2090805@visionary.com> Message-ID: <8b490d600811131343x4744283fsbe86d1b8f40a5128@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 3:37 PM, David Champion wrote: > I've use this one before, and it worked well for me. > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/g4l/ > > It does a dd copy of the partition... see previous cialug conversations > about why this may or may not be for you. > g4l seems very similar to g4u. They both do the raw binary copy rather than actually understanding the filesystem. But g4u uses a netbsd kernel instead of linux, which probably makes no difference for me. - Nathan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20081113/6e433679/attachment.htm From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Thu Nov 13 15:45:19 2008 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Thu Nov 13 15:45:42 2008 Subject: [Cialug] opinions on free software Ghost alternatives? In-Reply-To: <8b490d600811131343x4744283fsbe86d1b8f40a5128@mail.gmail.com> References: <8b490d600811131330w1a306f3o2f94ed62fc68f8f1@mail.gmail.com> <491C9E17.2090805@visionary.com> <8b490d600811131343x4744283fsbe86d1b8f40a5128@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: only when you are trying to see what your network card is up to and eth0 seems borken. ________________________________ From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of Nathan Stien Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:44 PM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] opinions on free software Ghost alternatives? On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 3:37 PM, David Champion > wrote: I've use this one before, and it worked well for me. http://sourceforge.net/projects/g4l/ It does a dd copy of the partition... see previous cialug conversations about why this may or may not be for you. g4l seems very similar to g4u. They both do the raw binary copy rather than actually understanding the filesystem. But g4u uses a netbsd kernel instead of linux, which probably makes no difference for me. - Nathan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20081113/652e11fd/attachment.html From ewenix at raccoon.com Thu Nov 13 15:49:49 2008 From: ewenix at raccoon.com (ewenix@raccoon.com) Date: Thu Nov 13 15:50:12 2008 Subject: [Cialug] opinions on free software Ghost alternatives? In-Reply-To: <8b490d600811131330w1a306f3o2f94ed62fc68f8f1@mail.gmail.com> References: <8b490d600811131330w1a306f3o2f94ed62fc68f8f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <50422.66.185.12.50.1226612989.squirrel@mail.raccoon.com> I'd use either Clonezilla or UBCD which has acronis true image. -Jeff > Howdy cialuggers, > > I need to do some Norton Ghost type stuff. Not willing to buy it. > > I've googled up Ghost4Unix [1] and FOG [2]. Haven't tried either. Anyone > have any opinions on these or other tools? > > [1]: http://www.feyrer.de/g4u/ > [2]: http://www.fogproject.org/ > > This is the general idea of what I am looking to do: > > 1. put in ghost-like boot disc > 2. boot machine to be cloned/restored > 3. send [compressed] clone image over network / apply new image pulled > from > network > 4. rinse and repeat as desired > > I need support for both MS and non-MS filesystems. > > - Nathan > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From nathanism at gmail.com Thu Nov 13 17:29:33 2008 From: nathanism at gmail.com (Nathan Stien) Date: Thu Nov 13 17:29:57 2008 Subject: [Cialug] opinions on free software Ghost alternatives? In-Reply-To: <50422.66.185.12.50.1226612989.squirrel@mail.raccoon.com> References: <8b490d600811131330w1a306f3o2f94ed62fc68f8f1@mail.gmail.com> <50422.66.185.12.50.1226612989.squirrel@mail.raccoon.com> Message-ID: <8b490d600811131529n17ca1c14o2354627beca68dd5@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 3:49 PM, wrote: > I'd use either Clonezilla or UBCD which has acronis true image. I'm in the middle of trying Clonezilla (seemed fancy, supported ssh, and has documentation), but it's spooking me a little. During the boot process, the output kept halting. The first time I didn't realize it was halted. I pressed the shift key experimentally, and another line of output appeared. I had to periodically keep coming back to the machine and pressing shift to get it to continue to boot. I don't think it was just showing me delayed output from the boot, because holding shift didn't just fly through all the output to the end. It would get to its next stage of device probing (or whatever) and take nonzero time while it did its thing. Any idea what would cause this? (In general with Linux, I mean.) - Nathan From dchampion at visionary.com Thu Nov 13 17:35:03 2008 From: dchampion at visionary.com (David Champion) Date: Thu Nov 13 17:35:12 2008 Subject: [Cialug] opinions on free software Ghost alternatives? In-Reply-To: <8b490d600811131529n17ca1c14o2354627beca68dd5@mail.gmail.com> References: <8b490d600811131330w1a306f3o2f94ed62fc68f8f1@mail.gmail.com> <50422.66.185.12.50.1226612989.squirrel@mail.raccoon.com> <8b490d600811131529n17ca1c14o2354627beca68dd5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <491CB9A7.8090905@visionary.com> Nathan Stien wrote: > On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 3:49 PM, wrote: > >> I'd use either Clonezilla or UBCD which has acronis true image. >> > > I'm in the middle of trying Clonezilla (seemed fancy, supported ssh, > and has documentation), but it's spooking me a little. > > During the boot process, the output kept halting. The first time I > didn't realize it was halted. I pressed the shift key experimentally, > and another line of output appeared. I had to periodically keep > coming back to the machine and pressing shift to get it to continue to > boot. > > I don't think it was just showing me delayed output from the boot, > because holding shift didn't just fly through all the output to the > end. It would get to its next stage of device probing (or whatever) > and take nonzero time while it did its thing. > > Any idea what would cause this? (In general with Linux, I mean.) > > - Nathan > Is it possible that you've gotten a hold of a debug / testing version? Is there another build available? I looked at the clonezilla web site, it sounds pretty slick, will be interested to hear how it works for you. -dc From kristau at gmail.com Fri Nov 14 13:19:06 2008 From: kristau at gmail.com (kristau) Date: Fri Nov 14 13:19:31 2008 Subject: [Cialug] opinions on free software Ghost alternatives? In-Reply-To: <8b490d600811131529n17ca1c14o2354627beca68dd5@mail.gmail.com> References: <8b490d600811131330w1a306f3o2f94ed62fc68f8f1@mail.gmail.com> <50422.66.185.12.50.1226612989.squirrel@mail.raccoon.com> <8b490d600811131529n17ca1c14o2354627beca68dd5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3effba680811141119w4be49c0cme0308b2a9b61f9fa@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Nathan Stien wrote: > Any idea what would cause this? (In general with Linux, I mean.) > > - Nathan I've used Clonezilla a few times and this behaviour seems odd. I'm guessing either a hardware issue or a bad disk? -- Tired programmer Coding late into the night The core dump follows My GNUPG public key is available at http://www.kristau.net/public_key.asc From nathanism at gmail.com Fri Nov 14 13:43:31 2008 From: nathanism at gmail.com (Nathan Stien) Date: Fri Nov 14 13:43:55 2008 Subject: [Cialug] opinions on free software Ghost alternatives? In-Reply-To: <3effba680811141119w4be49c0cme0308b2a9b61f9fa@mail.gmail.com> References: <8b490d600811131330w1a306f3o2f94ed62fc68f8f1@mail.gmail.com> <50422.66.185.12.50.1226612989.squirrel@mail.raccoon.com> <8b490d600811131529n17ca1c14o2354627beca68dd5@mail.gmail.com> <3effba680811141119w4be49c0cme0308b2a9b61f9fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8b490d600811141143g151a3aa0mb34549c83f0964a0@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 1:19 PM, kristau wrote: > I've used Clonezilla a few times and this behaviour seems odd. I'm > guessing either a hardware issue or a bad disk? I don't think the disc is bad; the md5 of my physical disk matches their published md5 on the site. But it gave me further bad behavior. During the backup xfer, I got a network driver error and a kernel message about a "soft lockup". After that, it never sent any more data. I am not entirely sure that this is Clonezilla's fault rather than just the kernel/drivers' fault. The particular laptop I'm trying to back up has been a huge PITA for linux since the start. Clonezilla does need some polish though. The ncurses interface offers the ability to cancel/go back if you want to change anything, but there are certain steps you can seemingly never get back to without restarting the whole process. I will try a different one soon. FOG needs you to set up a special server for it, whereas g4l seems like it needs minimal infrastructure. I am thinking I might just be lazy: blast the laptop's unused space with zeros an let g4l do its dd+gzip thing. - Nathan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20081114/804a6ab2/attachment.htm From thiessenstuart at aol.com Fri Nov 14 17:20:07 2008 From: thiessenstuart at aol.com (Stuart Thiessen) Date: Fri Nov 14 17:20:33 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Interesting problem [OT?] Message-ID: Hi, guys! I have an interesting problem. I'm doing my MA thesis on a writing system for Sign Languages called SignWriting (www.signwriting.org ). I'm doing an analysis of the writing system and looking at how the system works with an eye how one day it could be incorporated into Unicode. I hope that this writing system will eventually be available in regular software products so Deaf people like me can have that as a way to write in our sign language (there are at least 200 sign languages in the world and possibly as many as 400-1000). Anyway, my technical challenge is that the organization developing this writing system has published a PHP database of the symbols at: http://www.signbank.org/swis/data.php?subset=&bs_code=* I need to get a offline dump of each of the basesymbol child pages listed on that page. I can't do a simple download of the page as HTML because the image file showing the symbol is actually a link to a script that finds the right symbol and plugs it in, so when I use programs like wget, a broken link for the symbol image appears when I try to look at it offline. Then I tried to save each as a PDF, but that will take a lot of time to do manually for 639 pages. I haven't figured out a way to have Applescript or Python or other scripting language to create PDF documents for me. So, I thought if any of you would have a suggestion on how I can automate this process. I do forsee the possibility that if they were to add new handshapes or other symbols in the systems, that it would be nice to let this automated system re-do the offline dump. Thanks Stuart From tony at tonybibbs.com Fri Nov 14 17:36:51 2008 From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs) Date: Fri Nov 14 17:37:15 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Interesting problem [OT?] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Can Selenium do this for you? http://selenium.openqa.org/ --Tony On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Stuart Thiessen wrote: > Hi, guys! I have an interesting problem. I'm doing my MA thesis on a > writing system for Sign Languages called SignWriting (www.signwriting.org). > I'm doing an analysis of the writing system and looking at how the system > works with an eye how one day it could be incorporated into Unicode. I hope > that this writing system will eventually be available in regular software > products so Deaf people like me can have that as a way to write in our sign > language (there are at least 200 sign languages in the world and possibly as > many as 400-1000). > > Anyway, my technical challenge is that the organization developing this > writing system has published a PHP database of the symbols at: > http://www.signbank.org/swis/data.php?subset=&bs_code=* > > I need to get a offline dump of each of the basesymbol child pages listed > on that page. I can't do a simple download of the page as HTML because the > image file showing the symbol is actually a link to a script that finds the > right symbol and plugs it in, so when I use programs like wget, a broken > link for the symbol image appears when I try to look at it offline. > > Then I tried to save each as a PDF, but that will take a lot of time to do > manually for 639 pages. I haven't figured out a way to have Applescript or > Python or other scripting language to create PDF documents for me. > > So, I thought if any of you would have a suggestion on how I can automate > this process. I do forsee the possibility that if they were to add new > handshapes or other symbols in the systems, that it would be nice to let > this automated system re-do the offline dump. > > Thanks > > Stuart > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20081114/766ef878/attachment.htm From newz at bearfruit.org Fri Nov 14 17:36:54 2008 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Fri Nov 14 17:37:19 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Interesting problem [OT?] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Stuart Thiessen wrote: > Anyway, my technical challenge is that the organization developing this > writing system has published a PHP database of the symbols at: > http://www.signbank.org/swis/data.php?subset=&bs_code=* > > I need to get a offline dump of each of the basesymbol child pages listed on > that page. I can't do a simple download of the page as HTML because the > image file showing the symbol is actually a link to a script that finds the > right symbol and plugs it in, so when I use programs like wget, a broken > link for the symbol image appears when I try to look at it offline. Does wget download the symbols and give them a funny name like glyph.php?code=368.html or glyph.php?code=368.png? I don't see anything sneaky on that page that would prevent you from using an automated tool, my guess is that the names are getting mangled. If so, view the source of your downloaded page and see what the filename is that it's expecting and how it differs from what was actually generated. If they don't differ and the problem is really that the name is illegal for the filesystem then you may be able to just use a script to rename the images and the paths to the images in the html files. I've run into this problem before and just tried a different downloader program. It's been a while since I've used one so I can't think of one to suggest at the moment. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode From thiessenstuart at aol.com Fri Nov 14 17:56:18 2008 From: thiessenstuart at aol.com (Stuart Thiessen) Date: Fri Nov 14 17:56:49 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Interesting problem [OT?] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9F37BD31-8964-4913-A321-7C83150E0C5D@aol.com> The img tag shows (for example) . The glph script returns the appropriate image file for that code number. I have the dump of the html, but it is these tags that are blocking me from having a complete offline copy. That was why I was also thinking of trying to automate some kind of PDF dump of each page. Tony, I did look at the Selenium website, but I am not sure how it will help with this task. Could you explain? Thanks, Stuart On Nov 14, 2008, at 17:36 , Matthew Nuzum wrote: > On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Stuart Thiessen > wrote: >> Anyway, my technical challenge is that the organization developing >> this >> writing system has published a PHP database of the symbols at: >> http://www.signbank.org/swis/data.php?subset=&bs_code=* >> >> I need to get a offline dump of each of the basesymbol child pages >> listed on >> that page. I can't do a simple download of the page as HTML because >> the >> image file showing the symbol is actually a link to a script that >> finds the >> right symbol and plugs it in, so when I use programs like wget, a >> broken >> link for the symbol image appears when I try to look at it offline. > > Does wget download the symbols and give them a funny name like > glyph.php?code=368.html or glyph.php?code=368.png? > > I don't see anything sneaky on that page that would prevent you from > using an automated tool, my guess is that the names are getting > mangled. If so, view the source of your downloaded page and see what > the filename is that it's expecting and how it differs from what was > actually generated. If they don't differ and the problem is really > that the name is illegal for the filesystem then you may be able to > just use a script to rename the images and the paths to the images in > the html files. > > I've run into this problem before and just tried a different > downloader program. It's been a while since I've used one so I can't > think of one to suggest at the moment. > > -- > Matthew Nuzum > newz2000 on freenode > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From tony at tonybibbs.com Fri Nov 14 18:06:44 2008 From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs) Date: Fri Nov 14 18:07:10 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Interesting problem [OT?] In-Reply-To: <9F37BD31-8964-4913-A321-7C83150E0C5D@aol.com> References: <9F37BD31-8964-4913-A321-7C83150E0C5D@aol.com> Message-ID: A lot of the UI test tools automate doing things in the browser. I was suggesting that it or something like it (Bad Boy + Jmeter) might be able to do what you want. --Tony On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Stuart Thiessen wrote: > The img tag shows (for example) . The glph script > returns the appropriate image file for that code number. I have the dump of > the html, but it is these tags that are blocking me from having a > complete offline copy. That was why I was also thinking of trying to > automate some kind of PDF dump of each page. > > Tony, I did look at the Selenium website, but I am not sure how it will > help with this task. Could you explain? > > Thanks, > > Stuart > > On Nov 14, 2008, at 17:36 , Matthew Nuzum wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Stuart Thiessen >> wrote: >> >>> Anyway, my technical challenge is that the organization developing this >>> writing system has published a PHP database of the symbols at: >>> http://www.signbank.org/swis/data.php?subset=&bs_code=* >>> >>> I need to get a offline dump of each of the basesymbol child pages listed >>> on >>> that page. I can't do a simple download of the page as HTML because the >>> image file showing the symbol is actually a link to a script that finds >>> the >>> right symbol and plugs it in, so when I use programs like wget, a broken >>> link for the symbol image appears when I try to look at it offline. >>> >> >> Does wget download the symbols and give them a funny name like >> glyph.php?code=368.html or glyph.php?code=368.png? >> >> I don't see anything sneaky on that page that would prevent you from >> using an automated tool, my guess is that the names are getting >> mangled. If so, view the source of your downloaded page and see what >> the filename is that it's expecting and how it differs from what was >> actually generated. If they don't differ and the problem is really >> that the name is illegal for the filesystem then you may be able to >> just use a script to rename the images and the paths to the images in >> the html files. >> >> I've run into this problem before and just tried a different >> downloader program. It's been a while since I've used one so I can't >> think of one to suggest at the moment. >> >> -- >> Matthew Nuzum >> newz2000 on freenode >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20081114/c4afdfe4/attachment.html From thiessenstuart at aol.com Fri Nov 14 18:14:56 2008 From: thiessenstuart at aol.com (Stuart Thiessen) Date: Fri Nov 14 18:15:25 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Interesting problem [OT?] In-Reply-To: References: <9F37BD31-8964-4913-A321-7C83150E0C5D@aol.com> Message-ID: Oh, ok. I haven't used these tools before, so I wasn't sure where the connection was. Thanks for explaining. :) Stuart On Nov 14, 2008, at 18:06 , Tony Bibbs wrote: > A lot of the UI test tools automate doing things in the browser. I > was suggesting that it or something like it (Bad Boy + Jmeter) might > be able to do what you want. > > --Tony > > On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Stuart Thiessen > wrote: > The img tag shows (for example) . The glph script returns the appropriate image file for that > code number. I have the dump of the html, but it is these tags > that are blocking me from having a complete offline copy. That was > why I was also thinking of trying to automate some kind of PDF dump > of each page. > > Tony, I did look at the Selenium website, but I am not sure how it > will help with this task. Could you explain? > > Thanks, > > Stuart > > On Nov 14, 2008, at 17:36 , Matthew Nuzum wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Stuart Thiessen > wrote: > Anyway, my technical challenge is that the organization developing > this > writing system has published a PHP database of the symbols at: > http://www.signbank.org/swis/data.php?subset=&bs_code=* > > I need to get a offline dump of each of the basesymbol child pages > listed on > that page. I can't do a simple download of the page as HTML because > the > image file showing the symbol is actually a link to a script that > finds the > right symbol and plugs it in, so when I use programs like wget, a > broken > link for the symbol image appears when I try to look at it offline. > > Does wget download the symbols and give them a funny name like > glyph.php?code=368.html or glyph.php?code=368.png? > > I don't see anything sneaky on that page that would prevent you from > using an automated tool, my guess is that the names are getting > mangled. If so, view the source of your downloaded page and see what > the filename is that it's expecting and how it differs from what was > actually generated. If they don't differ and the problem is really > that the name is illegal for the filesystem then you may be able to > just use a script to rename the images and the paths to the images in > the html files. > > I've run into this problem before and just tried a different > downloader program. It's been a while since I've used one so I can't > think of one to suggest at the moment. > > -- > Matthew Nuzum > newz2000 on freenode > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20081114/ee170f70/attachment.htm From lars at larch.dk Fri Nov 14 18:35:33 2008 From: lars at larch.dk (Lars Althof) Date: Fri Nov 14 18:35:58 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Interesting problem [OT?] In-Reply-To: References: <9F37BD31-8964-4913-A321-7C83150E0C5D@aol.com> Message-ID: <4bee81bd0811141635y12f29ce5rb454a5844eaa825f@mail.gmail.com> I have seen websites that do not allow links to images generated by scripts. In order to bypass those restictions I have used the Apache rewrite engine. You could do that same, and make the browser think it is getting a normal png file. A rule like this would do it: RewriteRule ^glyph.([^.]*).png glyph.php?code=$1 Then change the img tags to read glyph.123.png On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Stuart Thiessen wrote: > Oh, ok. I haven't used these tools before, so I wasn't sure where the > connection was. Thanks for explaining. :) > Stuart > > On Nov 14, 2008, at 18:06 , Tony Bibbs wrote: > > A lot of the UI test tools automate doing things in the browser. I was > suggesting that it or something like it (Bad Boy + Jmeter) might be able to > do what you want. > > --Tony > > On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Stuart Thiessen wrote: > >> The img tag shows (for example) . The glph script >> returns the appropriate image file for that code number. I have the dump of >> the html, but it is these tags that are blocking me from having a >> complete offline copy. That was why I was also thinking of trying to >> automate some kind of PDF dump of each page. >> >> Tony, I did look at the Selenium website, but I am not sure how it will >> help with this task. Could you explain? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Stuart >> >> On Nov 14, 2008, at 17:36 , Matthew Nuzum wrote: >> >> On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Stuart Thiessen >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Anyway, my technical challenge is that the organization developing this >>>> writing system has published a PHP database of the symbols at: >>>> http://www.signbank.org/swis/data.php?subset=&bs_code=* >>>> >>>> I need to get a offline dump of each of the basesymbol child pages >>>> listed on >>>> that page. I can't do a simple download of the page as HTML because the >>>> image file showing the symbol is actually a link to a script that finds >>>> the >>>> right symbol and plugs it in, so when I use programs like wget, a broken >>>> link for the symbol image appears when I try to look at it offline. >>>> >>> >>> Does wget download the symbols and give them a funny name like >>> glyph.php?code=368.html or glyph.php?code=368.png? >>> >>> I don't see anything sneaky on that page that would prevent you from >>> using an automated tool, my guess is that the names are getting >>> mangled. If so, view the source of your downloaded page and see what >>> the filename is that it's expecting and how it differs from what was >>> actually generated. If they don't differ and the problem is really >>> that the name is illegal for the filesystem then you may be able to >>> just use a script to rename the images and the paths to the images in >>> the html files. >>> >>> I've run into this problem before and just tried a different >>> downloader program. It's been a while since I've used one so I can't >>> think of one to suggest at the moment. >>> >>> -- >>> Matthew Nuzum >>> newz2000 on freenode >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Cialug mailing list >>> Cialug@cialug.org >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > = > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20081114/f60c014f/attachment.html From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Mon Nov 17 09:42:30 2008 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Mon Nov 17 09:43:36 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Work - Debian Message-ID: <49213C88.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> If you're interested in working on Debian Linux, possibly for a moderate amount of pay, please contact Jim Vawter: ---start message--- I looked up some Linux user groups in Iowa and found your group and name. I*m sending this email to inquire about finding someone to configure a server for me. I*m hoping you might be able to direct me to someone for this task. I currently have a server running a legacy version of Red Hat and have recently purchased an HP Proliant Quad Core G5 server to replace the old server I*m presently using. I*m just operating the server as a hobbyist to handle email and some of my personal web pages as well as a public service website for a local riverboat museum. I*ve got the OS installed on the new server and it*s at the point where it needs to be configured with email, FTP, Apache, and security features. I*m not proficient enough nor do I have the time to assure that the new server is secure and won*t cause problems on the Internet. If you can recommend someone, or point me to where I might find someone for this task I*d greatly appreciate the help. Thank you for your time. Jim ---end message--- -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej@alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 From thiessenstuart at aol.com Mon Nov 17 09:46:39 2008 From: thiessenstuart at aol.com (Stuart Thiessen) Date: Mon Nov 17 09:47:14 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Interesting problem [OT?] In-Reply-To: References: <9F37BD31-8964-4913-A321-7C83150E0C5D@aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks everyone for your suggestions. I tried several ideas but none of them worked well. I ended up emailing the webmaster to see if he could cook up something for me. So we'll see if that will work. :) Thanks for your help on this. :) From dchampion at visionary.com Mon Nov 17 10:23:07 2008 From: dchampion at visionary.com (David Champion) Date: Mon Nov 17 10:23:14 2008 Subject: [Cialug] MythTV update Message-ID: <49219A6B.6010209@visionary.com> Just saw this on /. - an updated interface for MythTV. Looks pretty nice. http://www.gunaxin.com/new-mythtv-interface-preview/2424 -dc From tdwalton at gmail.com Mon Nov 17 12:24:08 2008 From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton) Date: Mon Nov 17 12:24:32 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Work - Debian In-Reply-To: <49213C88.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> References: <49213C88.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Josh More wrote: > I looked up some Linux user groups in Iowa and found your group and > name. I*m sending this email to inquire about finding someone to > configure a server for me. I*m hoping you might be able to direct me > to someone for this task. That's a strange asterisk-for-apostrophe thing he has going on there. -todd From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Mon Nov 17 12:36:51 2008 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Mon Nov 17 12:38:20 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Work - Debian In-Reply-To: References: <49213C88.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: <49216565.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> Sorry, that's my fault. This is what happens when an email is sent from Joomla in HTML and you copy/paste from Thunderbird into GroupWise and have "send as plain text" selected, and GroupWise says "convert to UTF8 Y/N" and you say "Y". This whole 8bit text thing should never have been allowed through. 7bit email was fine when I started, it should be fine now. *grumble grumble grumble*. :) -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej@alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 >>> "Todd Walton" 11/17/08 12:24 PM >>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Josh More wrote: > I looked up some Linux user groups in Iowa and found your group and > name. I*m sending this email to inquire about finding someone to > configure a server for me. I*m hoping you might be able to direct me > to someone for this task. That's a strange asterisk-for-apostrophe thing he has going on there. -todd _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From daniel.ramaley at drake.edu Mon Nov 17 13:16:36 2008 From: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu (Daniel A. Ramaley) Date: Mon Nov 17 13:16:59 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Work - Debian In-Reply-To: <49216565.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> References: <49213C88.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> <49216565.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: <200811171316.36663.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> On Monday November 17 2008 12:36, Josh More wrote: >This whole 8bit text thing should never have been allowed through. >7bit email was fine when I started, it should be fine now. *grumble >grumble grumble*. :) Or we should have just started out with 8-bit to begin with. :) Writing authentic Japanese (as opposed to the r?maji bastardization) to my fianc?e in us-ascii would be non-trivial. I'm sure other people can think of other reasons for needing 8-bit, that's just the one that comes to mind first for me. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Ramaley Dial Center 118, Drake University Network Programmer/Analyst 2407 Carpenter Ave +1 515 271-4540 Des Moines IA 50311 USA From djweis at internetsolver.com Mon Nov 17 13:19:43 2008 From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis) Date: Mon Nov 17 13:20:07 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Work - Debian In-Reply-To: <200811171316.36663.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> References: <49213C88.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> <49216565.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> <200811171316.36663.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, Daniel A. Ramaley wrote: > On Monday November 17 2008 12:36, Josh More wrote: >> This whole 8bit text thing should never have been allowed through. >> 7bit email was fine when I started, it should be fine now. *grumble >> grumble grumble*. :) > Or we should have just started out with 8-bit to begin with. :) > Writing authentic Japanese (as opposed to the r??maji bastardization) to > my fianc?e in us-ascii would be non-trivial. I'm sure other people can > think of other reasons for needing 8-bit, that's just the one that > comes to mind first for me. I'm not sure what will show up on anyone else's screen but I laughed that a character set complaint had a mangled letter in fiance :-) -- Dave Weis djweis@internetsolver.com http://www.internetsolver.com/ From dchampion at visionary.com Mon Nov 17 13:33:38 2008 From: dchampion at visionary.com (David Champion) Date: Mon Nov 17 13:33:45 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Work - Debian In-Reply-To: References: <49213C88.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> <49216565.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> <200811171316.36663.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> Message-ID: <4921C712.9000101@visionary.com> Dave Weis wrote: > > On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, Daniel A. Ramaley wrote: >> On Monday November 17 2008 12:36, Josh More wrote: >>> This whole 8bit text thing should never have been allowed through. >>> 7bit email was fine when I started, it should be fine now. *grumble >>> grumble grumble*. :) >> Or we should have just started out with 8-bit to begin with. :) >> Writing authentic Japanese (as opposed to the r??maji bastardization) to >> my fianc?e in us-ascii would be non-trivial. I'm sure other people can >> think of other reasons for needing 8-bit, that's just the one that >> comes to mind first for me. > > I'm not sure what will show up on anyone else's screen but I laughed > that a character set complaint had a mangled letter in fiance :-) Who still used pine anyway??? I just love getting emails from people who put in smileys in Outlook, that come across to every other email client in the universe as "J", because that's the ascii letter equivalent to the smiley emoticon in whatever wingdings font Outlook tries to send. -dc From daniel.ramaley at drake.edu Mon Nov 17 13:35:06 2008 From: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu (Daniel A. Ramaley) Date: Mon Nov 17 13:35:29 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Work - Debian In-Reply-To: References: <49213C88.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> <200811171316.36663.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> Message-ID: <200811171335.06265.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> On Monday November 17 2008 13:19, Dave Weis wrote: >I'm not sure what will show up on anyone else's screen but I laughed > that a character set complaint had a mangled letter in fiance :-) The accented e should have been fine as it is rather standard, but for some reason the o with a macron (used in romaji) appears to have been mangled. Both characters are in the UTF-8 set, so i'm not sure what the problem was. Shows how much of a mess 8-bit encodings are, perhaps lending credence to Josh's original grumble... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Ramaley Dial Center 118, Drake University Network Programmer/Analyst 2407 Carpenter Ave +1 515 271-4540 Des Moines IA 50311 USA From tom at tcpconsulting.com Mon Nov 17 13:38:41 2008 From: tom at tcpconsulting.com (Tom Pohl) Date: Mon Nov 17 13:39:06 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Work - Debian In-Reply-To: <200811171335.06265.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> References: <49213C88.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> <200811171316.36663.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> <200811171335.06265.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> Message-ID: <3B5A7033-0CD6-4F32-A66D-153158FC928D@tcpconsulting.com> That's funny, on my mac, both characters came across just fine :) -Tom On Nov 17, 2008, at 1:35 PM, Daniel A. Ramaley wrote: > On Monday November 17 2008 13:19, Dave Weis wrote: >> I'm not sure what will show up on anyone else's screen but I laughed >> that a character set complaint had a mangled letter in fiance :-) > > The accented e should have been fine as it is rather standard, but for > some reason the o with a macron (used in romaji) appears to have been > mangled. Both characters are in the UTF-8 set, so i'm not sure what > the > problem was. Shows how much of a mess 8-bit encodings are, perhaps > lending credence to Josh's original grumble... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Dan Ramaley Dial Center 118, Drake > University > Network Programmer/Analyst 2407 Carpenter Ave > +1 515 271-4540 Des Moines IA 50311 USA > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From newz at bearfruit.org Mon Nov 17 14:47:53 2008 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Mon Nov 17 14:48:16 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Work - Debian In-Reply-To: <3B5A7033-0CD6-4F32-A66D-153158FC928D@tcpconsulting.com> References: <49213C88.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> <200811171316.36663.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> <200811171335.06265.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> <3B5A7033-0CD6-4F32-A66D-153158FC928D@tcpconsulting.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Tom Pohl wrote: > That's funny, on my mac, both characters came across just fine :) > Same for me running Ubuntu! ? -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode From jrnosee at gmail.com Mon Nov 17 15:37:30 2008 From: jrnosee at gmail.com (jrnosee@gmail.com) Date: Mon Nov 17 15:37:54 2008 Subject: [Cialug] MythTV update In-Reply-To: <49219A6B.6010209@visionary.com> References: <49219A6B.6010209@visionary.com> Message-ID: Now if I could just get my tuner/gfx card to play nice! Can anyone make suggestions on how to get V4L to play nice with the nVidia drivers? On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 10:23 AM, David Champion wrote: > Just saw this on /. - an updated interface for MythTV. Looks pretty nice. > > http://www.gunaxin.com/new-mythtv-interface-preview/2424 > > -dc > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20081117/c5e86f3c/attachment.htm From dchampion at visionary.com Mon Nov 17 15:53:27 2008 From: dchampion at visionary.com (David Champion) Date: Mon Nov 17 15:53:34 2008 Subject: [Cialug] MythTV update In-Reply-To: References: <49219A6B.6010209@visionary.com> Message-ID: <4921E7D7.2040902@visionary.com> Saw this article over the weekend... it's not exactly what you're asking, but might be a good step towards it. http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/11/14/2230212 -dc jrnosee@gmail.com wrote: > Now if I could just get my tuner/gfx card to play nice! Can anyone make > suggestions on how to get V4L to play nice with the nVidia drivers? > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 10:23 AM, David Champion wrote: > > >> Just saw this on /. - an updated interface for MythTV. Looks pretty nice. >> >> http://www.gunaxin.com/new-mythtv-interface-preview/2424 >> >> -dc >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From djweis at internetsolver.com Mon Nov 17 16:05:20 2008 From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis) Date: Mon Nov 17 16:05:43 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Work - Debian In-Reply-To: <3B5A7033-0CD6-4F32-A66D-153158FC928D@tcpconsulting.com> References: <49213C88.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> <200811171316.36663.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> <200811171335.06265.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> <3B5A7033-0CD6-4F32-A66D-153158FC928D@tcpconsulting.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, Tom Pohl wrote: > That's funny, on my mac, both characters came across just fine :) My LANG is set to en_US.UTF-8, not sure why it didn't display. Now that I think about it sometimes I do see characters like that but sometimes not... Might be my PuTTY config though. > On Nov 17, 2008, at 1:35 PM, Daniel A. Ramaley wrote: > >> On Monday November 17 2008 13:19, Dave Weis wrote: >>> I'm not sure what will show up on anyone else's screen but I laughed >>> that a character set complaint had a mangled letter in fiance :-) >> >> The accented e should have been fine as it is rather standard, but for >> some reason the o with a macron (used in romaji) appears to have been >> mangled. Both characters are in the UTF-8 set, so i'm not sure what the >> problem was. Shows how much of a mess 8-bit encodings are, perhaps >> lending credence to Josh's original grumble... >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Dan Ramaley Dial Center 118, Drake University >> Network Programmer/Analyst 2407 Carpenter Ave >> +1 515 271-4540 Des Moines IA 50311 USA >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -- Dave Weis djweis@internetsolver.com http://www.internetsolver.com/ From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Mon Nov 17 16:11:26 2008 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Mon Nov 17 16:12:27 2008 Subject: [Cialug] MEETING - Wednesday 11/19 Message-ID: <492197B0.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> This is just a reminder that we have a meeting on 11/19. Ostensibly, the topic will be embedded systems, but if there's anything else that people want to discuss, that'll be fair game too. Planned agenda: Embedded Systems Presentations: * Devices running Linux * Installing Linux on non-Linux devices * Non-Linux Embedded *nix systems: NetBSD, QNX * Asterisk / CallWeaver (if there is interest) Activity * Show and Tell of Linux devices * Install Linux on your non-Linux toy Also, a thought. There seems to have been a lot more random emails coming to the list asking for people to help out with little Linux projects here and there. Would there be interest in making a list of LUG members who would be interested in this sort of freelance work where we can publish our specialties and our rates? Would that step too close to "commercial"? Let's discuss it at the meeting on Wednesday too. -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej@alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 From jrnosee at gmail.com Mon Nov 17 16:15:26 2008 From: jrnosee at gmail.com (jrnosee@gmail.com) Date: Mon Nov 17 16:15:50 2008 Subject: [Cialug] MythTV update In-Reply-To: <4921E7D7.2040902@visionary.com> References: <49219A6B.6010209@visionary.com> <4921E7D7.2040902@visionary.com> Message-ID: That'll be awsome if it supports my card. Currently, my card is supported by the 173.x driver, and while nVidia's website says the FX 5500 is supported by the 177, when I load the driver (manually) it says my card's not supported, and the 177 option isn't available via Ubuntu's restricted drivers tool. On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 3:53 PM, David Champion wrote: > Saw this article over the weekend... it's not exactly what you're asking, > but might be a good step towards it. > > http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/11/14/2230212 > > -dc > > jrnosee@gmail.com wrote: > >> Now if I could just get my tuner/gfx card to play nice! Can anyone make >> suggestions on how to get V4L to play nice with the nVidia drivers? >> >> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 10:23 AM, David Champion > >wrote: >> >> >> >>> Just saw this on /. - an updated interface for MythTV. Looks pretty nice. >>> >>> http://www.gunaxin.com/new-mythtv-interface-preview/2424 >>> >>> -dc >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Cialug mailing list >>> Cialug@cialug.org >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >>> >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20081117/543c854c/attachment.html From jrnosee at gmail.com Mon Nov 17 16:27:48 2008 From: jrnosee at gmail.com (jrnosee@gmail.com) Date: Mon Nov 17 16:28:12 2008 Subject: [Cialug] MEETING - Wednesday 11/19 In-Reply-To: <492197B0.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> References: <492197B0.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: Oddly enough, I just got back from Florida this weekend. We flew part of the way back on a Delta/Boeing 767 that had "Personal Entertainment Displays" in the seats. Just before takeoff the whole system rebooted and there was Tux! The system was embedded somewhere and used the same redboot as my NSLU2 device (see www.nslu2-linux.org) that I've been mucking around with. Sadly the system was in need of a good re-programming as the in-flight GPS map kept switching back and forth from english to spanish, and it needs a user accessable touchscreen calibration option as mine was WAY off. On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Josh More wrote: > This is just a reminder that we have a meeting on 11/19. Ostensibly, > the topic will be embedded systems, but if there's anything else that > people want to discuss, that'll be fair game too. > > Planned agenda: > > Embedded Systems Presentations: > > * Devices running Linux > * Installing Linux on non-Linux devices > * Non-Linux Embedded *nix systems: NetBSD, QNX > * Asterisk / CallWeaver (if there is interest) > > Activity > > * Show and Tell of Linux devices > * Install Linux on your non-Linux toy > > > Also, a thought. There seems to have been a lot more random emails > coming to the list asking for people to help out with little Linux > projects here and there. Would there be interest in making a list of > LUG members who would be interested in this sort of freelance work where > we can publish our specialties and our rates? Would that step too close > to "commercial"? Let's discuss it at the meeting on Wednesday too. > > > > > -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC > morej@alliancetechnologies.net > 515-245-7701 > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20081117/5cc16885/attachment.htm From aaron.korver at gmail.com Mon Nov 17 16:27:59 2008 From: aaron.korver at gmail.com (Aaron Korver) Date: Mon Nov 17 16:28:24 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Interesting problem [OT?] In-Reply-To: References: <9F37BD31-8964-4913-A321-7C83150E0C5D@aol.com> Message-ID: http://www.movementwriting.org/symbolbank/ISWA/downloads.html Isn't this what you want? I'm sure I'm missing something but this is a list of the symbols for download in zip format On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Stuart Thiessen wrote: > Thanks everyone for your suggestions. I tried several ideas but none of > them worked well. I ended up emailing the webmaster to see if he could cook > up something for me. So we'll see if that will work. :) Thanks for your help > on this. :) > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20081117/05ee4521/attachment.html From thiessenstuart at aol.com Mon Nov 17 17:45:11 2008 From: thiessenstuart at aol.com (Stuart Thiessen) Date: Mon Nov 17 17:45:42 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Interesting problem [OT?] In-Reply-To: References: <9F37BD31-8964-4913-A321-7C83150E0C5D@aol.com> Message-ID: Yes, I have those resources as well. The SWIS pages that I sent the link about, that database contains more "metadata" about the symbols and that was what I wanted to get hardcopy of. I am doing my MA thesis on this particular writing system and it helps to have some hard copy when you are working offline. I travel on my job, and the last few times I did travel, I ended up not having the internet access I needed to work on my thesis, so I decided to get offline copies of things so I don't run into that problem again. :) Thanks, Stuart On Nov 17, 2008, at 16:27 , Aaron Korver wrote: > http://www.movementwriting.org/symbolbank/ISWA/downloads.html > > Isn't this what you want? I'm sure I'm missing something but this > is a list of the symbols for download in zip format > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Stuart Thiessen > wrote: > Thanks everyone for your suggestions. I tried several ideas but none > of them worked well. I ended up emailing the webmaster to see if he > could cook up something for me. So we'll see if that will work. :) > Thanks for your help on this. :) > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20081117/15adc196/attachment-0001.html From daniel.ramaley at drake.edu Tue Nov 18 08:44:11 2008 From: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu (Daniel A. Ramaley) Date: Tue Nov 18 08:44:35 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Which network adapter? Message-ID: <200811180844.11887.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> Has anyone played with VirtualBox much? I have it on my main Linux box at home and it seems to work fairly well. It can emulate 4 different network adapters: PCnet-FAST II (Am79C970A) PCnet-FAST III (Am79C973) Intel PRO/1000 MT Desktop (82540EM) Intel PRO/1000 T Server (82543GC) "PCnet-FAST III" is the default, but i'm wondering which is the best choice. That probably depends on the guest OS, which in my case could be either Linux (usually Debian or Ubuntu) or Windows (XP SP3). Are any of these particularly better or worse for either Linux or Windows guests? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Ramaley Dial Center 118, Drake University Network Programmer/Analyst 2407 Carpenter Ave +1 515 271-4540 Des Moines IA 50311 USA From newz at bearfruit.org Tue Nov 18 09:05:42 2008 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Tue Nov 18 09:06:07 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Which network adapter? In-Reply-To: <200811180844.11887.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> References: <200811180844.11887.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 8:44 AM, Daniel A. Ramaley wrote: > Has anyone played with VirtualBox much? I have it on my main Linux box > at home and it seems to work fairly well. It can emulate 4 different > network adapters: > > PCnet-FAST II (Am79C970A) > PCnet-FAST III (Am79C973) > Intel PRO/1000 MT Desktop (82540EM) > Intel PRO/1000 T Server (82543GC) > > "PCnet-FAST III" is the default, but i'm wondering which is the best > choice. That probably depends on the guest OS, which in my case could > be either Linux (usually Debian or Ubuntu) or Windows (XP SP3). Are any > of these particularly better or worse for either Linux or Windows > guests? > I use PCnet-FAST III for both Windows and Ubuntu guests running in an Ubuntu host and have zero problems. Tangentially, I love vbox and have come to depend on it for my daily activities (mostly for running a server OS as a guest). I use a laptop and wifi which limits some of the guest's capabilities. Specifically, it means I have to use NAT which means my guest is 100% inaccessible from the host and the host's network, which kind of defeats the purpose of running a server OS in a guest. To overcome this I had to use vbox's port forwarding capabilities which are documented but not the easiest thing to learn or find. Therefore to save others the work I documented my steps here for anyone who's interested: http://www.bearfruit.org/blog/2008/09/18/running-a-virtual-server-using-virtual-box-nat-and-a-wifi-network-connection -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode From nathanism at gmail.com Tue Nov 18 09:31:45 2008 From: nathanism at gmail.com (Nathan Stien) Date: Tue Nov 18 09:32:12 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Which network adapter? In-Reply-To: <200811180844.11887.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> References: <200811180844.11887.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> Message-ID: <8b490d600811180731k25e09759rc15f0c590f5ddf5a@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 8:44 AM, Daniel A. Ramaley wrote: > Has anyone played with VirtualBox much? I have it on my main Linux box > at home and it seems to work fairly well. It can emulate 4 different > network adapters: > > PCnet-FAST II (Am79C970A) > PCnet-FAST III (Am79C973) > Intel PRO/1000 MT Desktop (82540EM) > Intel PRO/1000 T Server (82543GC) > I run vbox constantly. I use the Pro/1000 MT Desktop, and it works great for me. It could just be the power of suggestion, but it seems faster when I'm sending a bunch of data between the host and guest. I welcome correction if anyone knows better. NB: If you are following Matt's howto on setting up NAT, you will have to adjust the directions for the Pro/1000. Replace any occurrence of "pcnet" with "e1000". If you forget this, you'll get a cryptic message at startup about not being able to get the MAC value. - Nathan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <200811180844.11887.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> <8b490d600811180731k25e09759rc15f0c590f5ddf5a@mail.gmail.com>, Message-ID: <2815303B39A4D74C805DCD2049E615B503E6984CE5@sdmcexch1.dice.ad> It's not comparable to VMware Player, It's in the same class as VMware's Workstation Product. Player is a product to simply run a single VM. Anyone looking for anything beyond turning on a VM and interaction with that VM should be looking at Workstation or VirtualBox. VMware server is really staging itself to be a gateway drug to ESX, so it's use for desktops or for general VM hosting on a desktop is being minimized. I'd say that it works just as well as VMware's workstation package. I use it at home, while using VMware Workstation at work, both on a daily basis. I haven't run into anything that I'd say either was so far ahead of the other that I'd recommend either on a technical level, however the pricetag is certainly better on VirtualBox. There has been a noticeable improvement in the quality of VirtualBox since Sun acquired.... drawing a blank... innotek(?) the company that was making VirtualBox. One leg up that I'd say that VirtualBox has is the seamless windowing of applications. VMware's calls this Unity mode, and at least on Fedora and Ubuntu it works iffy. YMMV. It's bound to get better though as it's using the same codebase that Fusion uses, and on the mac the Unity mode is amazing. Virtualbox has an easy way to enter seamless windowing and it works well on both Ubuntu and Fedora. I'm not using unity/seamless mode very often in either, so this isn't a dealbreaker for me. We use Workstation to allow for VMs created to be easily moved from desktops into QA or Test environments (on VMware ESX), as well as being able to have paid for support, but for me just doing general work, both do the trick. -Theron ________________________________________ From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org [cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of John Lengeling [John.Lengeling@radisys.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 9:48 AM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: RE: [Cialug] Which network adapter? How does vbox performance compare to VMware Player performance? I am currently using VMware Player just starting to look at using vbox. johnl From newz at bearfruit.org Tue Nov 18 10:06:01 2008 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Tue Nov 18 10:06:26 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Which network adapter? In-Reply-To: References: <200811180844.11887.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> <8b490d600811180731k25e09759rc15f0c590f5ddf5a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 9:48 AM, John Lengeling wrote: > How does vbox performance compare to VMware Player performance? I am > currently using VMware Player just starting to look at using vbox. > On a cpu with virtualization instructions such as Intel Core duo, core 2 duo, xeon 5xxx series and many AMD64 cpus performance is great, though I've not done a side-by-side comparison. However vbox has seemless mode for running windows apps without running a windows desktop. It also has folder sharing for Linux and Windows guests, so you can share folders on your hard drive with the guest OS. See http://code.bearfruit.org/~matt/tmp/moviemaker.png Plus, unlike the last couple versions of vmware I've used the guest extensions actually work on Ubuntu guests without having to hunt around on the web. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode From theron.conrey at dice.com Tue Nov 18 10:12:34 2008 From: theron.conrey at dice.com (Theron Conrey) Date: Tue Nov 18 10:13:17 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Which network adapter? In-Reply-To: References: <200811180844.11887.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> <8b490d600811180731k25e09759rc15f0c590f5ddf5a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2815303B39A4D74C805DCD2049E615B503E7C6EC73@sdmcexch1.dice.ad> Thoughts below. -----Original Message----- From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Nuzum Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 10:06 AM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] Which network adapter? On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 9:48 AM, John Lengeling wrote: >> How does vbox performance compare to VMware Player performance? I am >> currently using VMware Player just starting to look at using vbox. >On a cpu with virtualization instructions such as Intel Core duo, core >2 duo, xeon 5xxx series and many AMD64 cpus performance is great, >though I've not done a side-by-side comparison. However vbox has >seemless mode for running windows apps without running a windows >desktop. It's still running windows though, so you're system resources will still be effected, this is the case for both VMware and VirtualBox however. > It also has folder sharing for Linux and Windows guests, so >you can share folders on your hard drive with the guest OS. I've mapped my desktop and personal folders with both applications successfully. This is easy to do with both (GUIs) >See http://code.bearfruit.org/~matt/tmp/moviemaker.png >Plus, unlike the last couple versions of vmware I've used the guest >extensions actually work on Ubuntu guests without having to hunt >around on the web. I've not run into any issues with Workstation or VirtualBox running on anything newer that 6.04 This is something I forgot as well. Workstation 6.5 has an .rpm and a downloadable .bundle for non rpm based systems. You used to have to run a vmware-config.pl to get the modules built for the kernel, however in the 6.5 install, this is done for you from a pretty gui. This works amazingly well with Ubuntu 6.10, as well as Fedora 9. -Theron -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From daniel.ramaley at drake.edu Tue Nov 18 10:25:26 2008 From: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu (Daniel A. Ramaley) Date: Tue Nov 18 10:25:49 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Which network adapter? In-Reply-To: References: <200811180844.11887.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> <8b490d600811180731k25e09759rc15f0c590f5ddf5a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200811181025.26127.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> On Tuesday November 18 2008 09:48, John Lengeling wrote: >How does vbox performance compare to VMware Player performance? I've only used VMware Workstation, not Player. To echo previous posters, VirtualBox and VMware Workstation seem very comparable. I like VirtualBox because it is open source and thus cannot be taken away either by cancelling the product or pricing it out of my budget. But i actually have installed the closed version because it has better USB and SATA support that i intend to use. Supposedly the extra features in the proprietary version will slowly migrate over to the open version, but if not and the proprietary version ever goes away, migrating to the open version should be trivial (just reuse existing virtual machines but without the extra features). I've only tried VMware Workstation and VirtualBox on Linux. They both have versions for other host operating systems, but i'm not sure if one or the other is better on other hosts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Ramaley Dial Center 118, Drake University Network Programmer/Analyst 2407 Carpenter Ave +1 515 271-4540 Des Moines IA 50311 USA From brandongriffis at gmail.com Tue Nov 18 11:18:30 2008 From: brandongriffis at gmail.com (Brandon Griffis) Date: Tue Nov 18 11:18:54 2008 Subject: [Cialug] USB Wireless-N with native linux driver? 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J -dc From barry at vonahsen.com Tue Nov 18 16:17:06 2008 From: barry at vonahsen.com (Barry Von Ahsen) Date: Tue Nov 18 16:17:22 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Work - Debian In-Reply-To: <4923236D.60701@visionary.com> References: <49213C88.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> <49216565.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> <200811171316.36663.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> <4921C712.9000101@visionary.com> <4923236D.60701@visionary.com> Message-ID: <49233EE2.5030802@vonahsen.com> David Champion wrote: > David Champion wrote: > Follow up: Here's what the html source of an outlook generated smiley > looks like... > > J > yet another ringing endorsement for html email can we get a blink or marquee in there too? :D -barry From barry at vonahsen.com Tue Nov 18 16:29:22 2008 From: barry at vonahsen.com (Barry Von Ahsen) Date: Tue Nov 18 16:29:32 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Work - Debian In-Reply-To: <49233EE2.5030802@vonahsen.com> References: <49213C88.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> <49216565.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> <200811171316.36663.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> <4921C712.9000101@visionary.com> <4923236D.60701@visionary.com> <49233EE2.5030802@vonahsen.com> Message-ID: <492341C2.4090408@vonahsen.com> Barry Von Ahsen wrote: > David Champion wrote: >> David Champion wrote: >> Follow up: Here's what the html source of an outlook generated smiley >> looks like... >> >> J >> > > yet another ringing endorsement for html email > > can we get a blink or marquee in there too? :D I couldn't help it (page best viewed in IE6 or above, which for the first time ever, is a good thing) http://www.vonahsen.com/boo.html (and yes, blink still lives on in css) -barry From icepuck2k at mchsi.com Tue Nov 18 19:06:07 2008 From: icepuck2k at mchsi.com (Dan Hockey) Date: Tue Nov 18 19:06:37 2008 Subject: [Cialug] MEETING - Wednesday 11/19 In-Reply-To: <492197B0.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> References: <492197B0.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: <001501c949e3$012dea80$6401a8c0@toshibauser> What os would the prius touch screen display be running? I hope it's not windows embedded. -dh -----Original Message----- From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of Josh More Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 4:11 PM To: cialug@cialug.org Subject: [Cialug] MEETING - Wednesday 11/19 This is just a reminder that we have a meeting on 11/19. Ostensibly, the topic will be embedded systems, but if there's anything else that people want to discuss, that'll be fair game too. Planned agenda: Embedded Systems Presentations: * Devices running Linux * Installing Linux on non-Linux devices * Non-Linux Embedded *nix systems: NetBSD, QNX * Asterisk / CallWeaver (if there is interest) Activity * Show and Tell of Linux devices * Install Linux on your non-Linux toy Also, a thought. There seems to have been a lot more random emails coming to the list asking for people to help out with little Linux projects here and there. Would there be interest in making a list of LUG members who would be interested in this sort of freelance work where we can publish our specialties and our rates? Would that step too close to "commercial"? Let's discuss it at the meeting on Wednesday too. -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej@alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From thegreatland at yahoo.com Wed Nov 19 15:28:39 2008 From: thegreatland at yahoo.com (tony geerts) Date: Wed Nov 19 15:29:09 2008 Subject: [Cialug] job posting Message-ID: <811470.78870.qm@web51501.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Associate Information Security ? Vulnerability and Penetration Testing ? RSM McGladrey, Inc. is a leading national accounting, tax and business consulting firm focused on meeting the needs of companies on the move, which generally includes companies with $15 million to $800 million in annual revenues. RSM McGladrey provides business and consulting services, and offers industry and business-specific advice and planning strategies to help businesses succeed. When clients need a complete, unbiased assessment of issues affecting the growth of their companies, they can depend on the financially focused business services of RSM McGladrey to outline the problems and propose practical, local, national or international solutions. ? The TRMS (Technology Risk Management Services) group is focused on IT security consulting, including vulnerability and penetration testing. ? We currently have an excellent career opportunity for an Associate in our Waterloo, Iowa office.? The candidate will work under the supervision of highly experienced Information Security managers and practice leaders in a wide variety of systems and environments. ? Background/Work Experience Required: For consideration, candidates should have the following: ????????? Minimum of two years experience working within an Information Technology, Information Systems or an Information Security role ????????? Practical hands-on experience with firewall implementation and other perimeter network security systems. ????????? Previous experience in Web application development or support ????????? Proficiency with security applications, such as a security scanner or application scanner from IBM or Tenable, or commercial and public domain security tools. ????????? Associate or Bachelor?s degree in Computer Science, Information Systems, engineering or related area ????????? CISSP, GIAC or similar certifications, or the willingness to obtain within the near future ? Interpersonal Skills/Characteristics: ????????? Must be willing to take part in a fast-paced, growth environment ????????? Must be able to convey technical information to all levels of technical aptitude, including senior management ????????? Must be able to effectively relate to clients and become a trusted resource ? Interpersonal Skills/Characteristics: ????????? Must possess a high degree of integrity and confidentiality, as well as ability to adhere to both company policy and best practices ????????? Must set high standards for both personal and team productivity while meeting client deadlines ????????? Must possess solid verbal and written communication skills to effectively identify client needs and to present findings and recommendations ????????? Able to manage multiple priorities successfully within a deadline-driven environment ????????? Possess a strong internal drive and motivation for continuous improvement ????????? Flexible for working long hour days and off hours to meet deadlines when necessary ? Preferred (not required) experience: ???????? UNIX/Linux system administration or implementation experience ???????? Microsoft system administration or implementation experience ???????? Experience with various web application technologies (PHP, JSP, .NET, AJAX) ???????? Database experience (MySQL, MS-SQL) ???????? Consulting background ? Responsibilities and Duties: The Associate is responsible for the following: ???????? Testing client security systems available through the Internet following approved methodologies and tests ???????? Analyzing and evaluating information technology (IT) security defense mechanisms and controls ? Career Path Individuals that are successful in this role will have the opportunity to advance to Supervisor and then to Manager.? Opportunities for advancement beyond Manager, provided individual possesses business development experience, include Director and then Managing Director.? ? Interested applicants please apply online through RSM McGladrey?s careers website at http://www.rsmmcgladrey.com/Careers/ Please reference Job ID number TRMS3131 Consulting - Associate -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 7:33 PM, Dan Hockey wrote: > > > This is hard to believe, but interesting? > > -dh > > http://forums.parallax.com/forums/default.aspx?f=21&m=308220 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20081119/1cb7bf9d/attachment.html From dchampion at visionary.com Mon Nov 24 17:11:55 2008 From: dchampion at visionary.com (David Champion) Date: Mon Nov 24 17:12:01 2008 Subject: [Cialug] resolvconf - good, bad or ugly? Message-ID: <492B34BB.3070607@visionary.com> So... my latest server update (to Mandriva 2009) includes the change to using the "resolvconf" script for maintaining /etc/resolv.conf. I recall the good old days when RedHat used the "awesome" program linuxconf to maintain configuration files. And by "awesome", I mean it overwrites config files for you and breaks stuff. The resolvconf script is similarly awesome. From what I can tell, the "proper" way for me to specify DNS servers is to add them to my /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 script as: DNS1=dns1.server.ip.addr DNS2=dns2.server.ip.addr BTW, the man page for resolvconf is one of those esoteric man pages that talks about all kinds of junk except the pragmatic information one might need to actually USE it. Am I doing this right? Am I just being too grumpy? Is it really that hard to edit /etc/resolv.conf? -dc From dave at 58ghz.net Mon Nov 24 17:32:12 2008 From: dave at 58ghz.net (Dave J. Hala Jr.) Date: Mon Nov 24 17:32:36 2008 Subject: [Cialug] resolvconf - good, bad or ugly? In-Reply-To: <492B34BB.3070607@visionary.com> References: <492B34BB.3070607@visionary.com> Message-ID: <1227569532.1902.101.camel@rhel5> On my RHEL5 boxes, when doing them manually, I do them like this: nameserver 217.261.233.2 nameserver 217.261.233.1 search somedomain.org It may not apply to Mandriva, but then again, it might. I always edit resolv.conf manually. :) Dave On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 17:11 -0600, David Champion wrote: > So... my latest server update (to Mandriva 2009) includes the change to > using the "resolvconf" script for maintaining /etc/resolv.conf. > > I recall the good old days when RedHat used the "awesome" program > linuxconf to maintain configuration files. And by "awesome", I mean it > overwrites config files for you and breaks stuff. The resolvconf script > is similarly awesome. > > From what I can tell, the "proper" way for me to specify DNS servers is > to add them to my /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 script as: > DNS1=dns1.server.ip.addr > DNS2=dns2.server.ip.addr > > BTW, the man page for resolvconf is one of those esoteric man pages that > talks about all kinds of junk except the pragmatic information one might > need to actually USE it. > > Am I doing this right? Am I just being too grumpy? Is it really that > hard to edit /etc/resolv.conf? > > -dc > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -- ___ Dave J. Hala Jr. President OSIS, Inc. www.osis.us From dchampion at visionary.com Mon Nov 24 17:36:27 2008 From: dchampion at visionary.com (David Champion) Date: Mon Nov 24 17:36:33 2008 Subject: [Cialug] resolvconf - good, bad or ugly? In-Reply-To: <1227569532.1902.101.camel@rhel5> References: <492B34BB.3070607@visionary.com> <1227569532.1902.101.camel@rhel5> Message-ID: <492B3A7B.2050006@visionary.com> Yeah... I'm well versed in editing it manually... it's just when you reboot, it gets clobbered by the resolveconf script (and maybe when you do other things like "service network restart"?). My first clue should have been the comment at the top that says: # Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8) # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN I added this comment to /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head: # add DNS1=xx.xx.xx.xx in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 I've seen conf files with those kinds of comments before, but they weren't really serious about it... :) -dc Dave J. Hala Jr. wrote: > On my RHEL5 boxes, when doing them manually, I do them like this: > > nameserver 217.261.233.2 > nameserver 217.261.233.1 > search somedomain.org > > It may not apply to Mandriva, but then again, it might. I always edit > resolv.conf manually. > > > > :) Dave > > > > On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 17:11 -0600, David Champion wrote: > >> So... my latest server update (to Mandriva 2009) includes the change to >> using the "resolvconf" script for maintaining /etc/resolv.conf. >> >> I recall the good old days when RedHat used the "awesome" program >> linuxconf to maintain configuration files. And by "awesome", I mean it >> overwrites config files for you and breaks stuff. The resolvconf script >> is similarly awesome. >> >> From what I can tell, the "proper" way for me to specify DNS servers is >> to add them to my /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 script as: >> DNS1=dns1.server.ip.addr >> DNS2=dns2.server.ip.addr >> >> BTW, the man page for resolvconf is one of those esoteric man pages that >> talks about all kinds of junk except the pragmatic information one might >> need to actually USE it. >> >> Am I doing this right? Am I just being too grumpy? Is it really that >> hard to edit /etc/resolv.conf? >> >> -dc >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> From zach at kotlarek.com Mon Nov 24 17:37:17 2008 From: zach at kotlarek.com (Zachary Kotlarek) Date: Mon Nov 24 17:37:43 2008 Subject: [Cialug] resolvconf - good, bad or ugly? In-Reply-To: <492B34BB.3070607@visionary.com> References: <492B34BB.3070607@visionary.com> Message-ID: On Nov 24, 2008, at 5:11 PM, David Champion wrote: > So... my latest server update (to Mandriva 2009) includes the change > to using the "resolvconf" script for maintaining /etc/resolv.conf. > > I recall the good old days when RedHat used the "awesome" program > linuxconf to maintain configuration files. And by "awesome", I mean > it overwrites config files for you and breaks stuff. The resolvconf > script is similarly awesome. > > From what I can tell, the "proper" way for me to specify DNS servers > is to add them to my /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 > script as: > DNS1=dns1.server.ip.addr > DNS2=dns2.server.ip.addr > > BTW, the man page for resolvconf is one of those esoteric man pages > that talks about all kinds of junk except the pragmatic information > one might need to actually USE it. > > Am I doing this right? Am I just being too grumpy? Is it really that > hard to edit /etc/resolv.conf? I can't tell you what Mandriva wants you to do; hopefully someone who uses it can actually answer your question. But I feel your pain -- it's not that hard to maintain resolv.conf manually, and it's sometimes quite difficult to make the distro stop overwriting any manual configuration you try to do. Which is why I gave up and wrote my own networking and DHCP-client scripts. They're nothing fancy, but you're welcome to them if they'd help you: Simple bridging/bonding/network start/stop script and sample config files: http://zinux.cynicbytrade.com/svn/release/2.12/runit/files/init.d/ethnet http://zinux.cynicbytrade.com/svn/release/2.12/etc/files/bondcfg http://zinux.cynicbytrade.com/svn/release/2.12/etc/files/bridgecfg http://zinux.cynicbytrade.com/svn/release/2.12/etc/files/ifcfg DHCP script with alternate resolv.conf location and IPv4 iproute2 support: http://zinux.cynicbytrade.com/svn/release/2.12/dhcp/iproute2.diff Zach -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2746 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20081124/61bc9be3/smime.bin From chapinjeff at gmail.com Mon Nov 24 18:55:09 2008 From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin) Date: Mon Nov 24 18:56:53 2008 Subject: [Cialug] resolvconf - good, bad or ugly? In-Reply-To: <492B3A7B.2050006@visionary.com> References: <492B34BB.3070607@visionary.com> <1227569532.1902.101.camel@rhel5> <492B3A7B.2050006@visionary.com> Message-ID: <492B4CED.6040404@gmail.com> 1) chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf 2) VICTORY! 3) Reboot as needed. David Champion wrote: > Yeah... I'm well versed in editing it manually... it's just when you > reboot, it gets clobbered by the resolveconf script (and maybe when > you do other things like "service network restart"?). My first clue > should have been the comment at the top that says: > > # Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by > resolvconf(8) > # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN > > I added this comment to /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head: > # add DNS1=xx.xx.xx.xx in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 > > I've seen conf files with those kinds of comments before, but they > weren't really serious about it... :) > > -dc > > Dave J. Hala Jr. wrote: >> On my RHEL5 boxes, when doing them manually, I do them like this: >> >> nameserver 217.261.233.2 >> nameserver 217.261.233.1 >> search somedomain.org >> >> It may not apply to Mandriva, but then again, it might. I always edit >> resolv.conf manually. >> >> >> >> :) Dave >> >> >> >> On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 17:11 -0600, David Champion wrote: >> >>> So... my latest server update (to Mandriva 2009) includes the change >>> to using the "resolvconf" script for maintaining /etc/resolv.conf. >>> >>> I recall the good old days when RedHat used the "awesome" program >>> linuxconf to maintain configuration files. And by "awesome", I mean >>> it overwrites config files for you and breaks stuff. The resolvconf >>> script is similarly awesome. >>> >>> From what I can tell, the "proper" way for me to specify DNS >>> servers is to add them to my >>> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 script as: >>> DNS1=dns1.server.ip.addr >>> DNS2=dns2.server.ip.addr >>> >>> BTW, the man page for resolvconf is one of those esoteric man pages >>> that talks about all kinds of junk except the pragmatic information >>> one might need to actually USE it. >>> >>> Am I doing this right? Am I just being too grumpy? Is it really that >>> hard to edit /etc/resolv.conf? >>> >>> -dc >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Cialug mailing list >>> Cialug@cialug.org >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >>> > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From daniel.ramaley at drake.edu Tue Nov 25 18:14:34 2008 From: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu (Daniel A. Ramaley) Date: Tue Nov 25 18:14:58 2008 Subject: [Cialug] resolvconf - good, bad or ugly? In-Reply-To: <492B34BB.3070607@visionary.com> References: <492B34BB.3070607@visionary.com> Message-ID: <200811251814.34346.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> What happens if you delete resolvconf or replace it with an empty file? Or uninstall the package? On Monday November 24 2008 17:11, David Champion wrote: >So... my latest server update (to Mandriva 2009) includes the change > to using the "resolvconf" script for maintaining /etc/resolv.conf. > >I recall the good old days when RedHat used the "awesome" program >linuxconf to maintain configuration files. And by "awesome", I mean it >overwrites config files for you and breaks stuff. The resolvconf > script is similarly awesome. > > From what I can tell, the "proper" way for me to specify DNS servers > is to add them to my /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 script > as: DNS1=dns1.server.ip.addr >DNS2=dns2.server.ip.addr > >BTW, the man page for resolvconf is one of those esoteric man pages > that talks about all kinds of junk except the pragmatic information > one might need to actually USE it. > >Am I doing this right? Am I just being too grumpy? Is it really that >hard to edit /etc/resolv.conf? > >-dc > > >_______________________________________________ >Cialug mailing list >Cialug@cialug.org >http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Ramaley Dial Center 118, Drake University Network Programmer/Analyst 2407 Carpenter Ave +1 515 271-4540 Des Moines IA 50311 USA From dchampion at visionary.com Wed Nov 26 12:48:04 2008 From: dchampion at visionary.com (David Champion) Date: Wed Nov 26 12:48:11 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Fedora 10 Message-ID: <492D99E4.8090905@visionary.com> I see that Fedora 10 is out... does anyone have any hands-on time with it yet? -dc From jeff at ocjtech.us Wed Nov 26 14:41:49 2008 From: jeff at ocjtech.us (Jeffrey Ollie) Date: Wed Nov 26 14:42:13 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Fedora 10 In-Reply-To: <492D99E4.8090905@visionary.com> References: <492D99E4.8090905@visionary.com> Message-ID: <935ead450811261241t56ce3c3fke3e575f41e55db96@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 12:48 PM, David Champion wrote: > I see that Fedora 10 is out... does anyone have any hands-on time with it > yet? I upgraded my laptop to a pre-release version several weeks ago, and updated my desktop system last week to a later pre-release. I'm personally liking it a lot! -- Jeff Ollie "You know, I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair. Then I thought, wouldn't it be much worse if life were fair, and all the terrible things that happen to us come because we actually deserve them? So, now I take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the universe." -- Marcus to Franklin in Babylon 5: "A Late Delivery from Avalon" From jrnosee at gmail.com Fri Nov 28 14:40:05 2008 From: jrnosee at gmail.com (jrnosee@gmail.com) Date: Fri Nov 28 14:40:37 2008 Subject: [Cialug] HELP!!! Message-ID: I got home from the in-law's last night to find my computer w/ all the drive lights blinking. Odd, since I shut it off (a rare thing for me) before I left. Took the PS out and it's definitely dead. It's under warranty and I'm sending it in, but does anyone have a spare power supply I could borrow for about a week or so? I'd really like to see if anything else in my pc died, so I can order replacements. Not to be picky but here's what I would need to get my system back up and running. 500W+ (had a 530W before...) 24pin atx w/ 12v 4-pin P4 plug and 1x 6pin pci-e power adapter for graphics card. I don't expect many people to have a spare like this laying around, but I thought I'd ask in case someone did and was willing to lend it out. Thanks!!! --Justin W. Richeson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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