From dchampion at visionary.com Mon Dec 1 10:32:34 2008 From: dchampion at visionary.com (David Champion) Date: Mon Dec 1 10:32:41 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Linux on the iPhone In-Reply-To: <3cf2fb6b0811290851n21eb9163o102077a31e331be9@mail.gmail.com> References: <3cf2fb6b0811290851n21eb9163o102077a31e331be9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <493411A2.7030200@visionary.com> Kenneth Younger wrote: > http://linuxoniphone.blogspot.com/2008/11/linux-on-iphone.html > > It's an early port, but pretty cool nonetheless. > (slashdot mode)Imagine a beowolf cluster of those!(/slashdot mode). Will be nifty if/when the get Android running on it. I've seen that there are some other Chinese phones running Android out there - nothing available via retail in the US yet. -dc From dave at 58ghz.net Mon Dec 1 10:38:28 2008 From: dave at 58ghz.net (Dave J. Hala Jr.) Date: Mon Dec 1 10:38:55 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Linux on the iPhone In-Reply-To: <493411A2.7030200@visionary.com> References: <3cf2fb6b0811290851n21eb9163o102077a31e331be9@mail.gmail.com> <493411A2.7030200@visionary.com> Message-ID: <1228149508.1902.169.camel@rhel5> I just wish I could have a fully functional iphone with Us cell. :) Dave On Mon, 2008-12-01 at 10:32 -0600, David Champion wrote: > Kenneth Younger wrote: > > http://linuxoniphone.blogspot.com/2008/11/linux-on-iphone.html > > > > It's an early port, but pretty cool nonetheless. > > > (slashdot mode)Imagine a beowolf cluster of those!(/slashdot mode). > > Will be nifty if/when the get Android running on it. > > I've seen that there are some other Chinese phones running Android out > there - nothing available via retail in the US yet. > > -dc > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -- ___ Dave J. Hala Jr. President OSIS, Inc. www.osis.us From dchampion at visionary.com Tue Dec 2 15:14:37 2008 From: dchampion at visionary.com (David Champion) Date: Tue Dec 2 15:14:43 2008 Subject: [Cialug] MythTV HD tuner? Message-ID: <4935A53D.1070504@visionary.com> For those of you MythTV users... what's the current state of the art for HD tuners for MythTV? I'm updating to a HDTV for xmas, and thinking about re-building my MythTV box. Have a PVR-250 card I can use for SD encoding, but I'm thinking about getting a HD card too. I don't have HD service yet (other than OTA). Currently my only option at my condo is Mediacom cable, and I'm only doing Extended Basic at this point. I've been trying to work on getting dish service in the building, but that's a longer process that has to go through the condo association. -dc From jbailey at co.marshall.ia.us Tue Dec 2 15:15:31 2008 From: jbailey at co.marshall.ia.us (Jonathan C. Bailey) Date: Tue Dec 2 15:18:05 2008 Subject: [Cialug] MythTV HD tuner? In-Reply-To: <4935A53D.1070504@visionary.com> Message-ID: <14759614.2411228252531053.JavaMail.root@zimbra> Don't know about HD via sat, but I have used a HDHomeRun with MythTV just fine - it probably has the best support in my opinion. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Champion" To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2008 3:14:37 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [Cialug] MythTV HD tuner? For those of you MythTV users... what's the current state of the art for HD tuners for MythTV? I'm updating to a HDTV for xmas, and thinking about re-building my MythTV box. Have a PVR-250 card I can use for SD encoding, but I'm thinking about getting a HD card too. I don't have HD service yet (other than OTA). Currently my only option at my condo is Mediacom cable, and I'm only doing Extended Basic at this point. I've been trying to work on getting dish service in the building, but that's a longer process that has to go through the condo association. -dc _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Tue Dec 2 15:19:22 2008 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Tue Dec 2 15:19:45 2008 Subject: [Cialug] MythTV HD tuner? In-Reply-To: <4935A53D.1070504@visionary.com> References: <4935A53D.1070504@visionary.com> Message-ID: Maybe for Digital cable somebody knows better, but I think we are SOL. Somebody here turned me on to the silicon HDHomerun and it is a pretty neat dual-tuner setup. http://www.silicondust.com/products/hdhomerun Maybe they will introduce one that accepts cablecards in the future. Don't forget, you actually have to have a machine capable of playing back HD. I think my backend machine will do some but my front-end, a 1.2 Ghz shuttle, will not. -Nate > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org > [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of David Champion > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:15 PM > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > Subject: [Cialug] MythTV HD tuner? > > For those of you MythTV users... what's the current state of > the art for > HD tuners for MythTV? > > I'm updating to a HDTV for xmas, and thinking about re-building my > MythTV box. Have a PVR-250 card I can use for SD encoding, but I'm > thinking about getting a HD card too. > > I don't have HD service yet (other than OTA). Currently my > only option > at my condo is Mediacom cable, and I'm only doing Extended > Basic at this > point. I've been trying to work on getting dish service in > the building, > but that's a longer process that has to go through the condo > association. > > -dc > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From jbailey at co.marshall.ia.us Tue Dec 2 15:20:04 2008 From: jbailey at co.marshall.ia.us (Jonathan C. Bailey) Date: Tue Dec 2 15:22:21 2008 Subject: [Cialug] MythTV HD tuner? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5791379.2581228252804344.JavaMail.root@zimbra> I don't think HDHR will ever do CableCard. CableLabs wouldn't certify it, so they could never sell it. Typical.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan C. Smith" To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2008 3:19:22 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: RE: [Cialug] MythTV HD tuner? Maybe for Digital cable somebody knows better, but I think we are SOL. Somebody here turned me on to the silicon HDHomerun and it is a pretty neat dual-tuner setup. http://www.silicondust.com/products/hdhomerun Maybe they will introduce one that accepts cablecards in the future. Don't forget, you actually have to have a machine capable of playing back HD. I think my backend machine will do some but my front-end, a 1.2 Ghz shuttle, will not. -Nate > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org > [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of David Champion > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:15 PM > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > Subject: [Cialug] MythTV HD tuner? > > For those of you MythTV users... what's the current state of > the art for > HD tuners for MythTV? > > I'm updating to a HDTV for xmas, and thinking about re-building my > MythTV box. Have a PVR-250 card I can use for SD encoding, but I'm > thinking about getting a HD card too. > > I don't have HD service yet (other than OTA). Currently my > only option > at my condo is Mediacom cable, and I'm only doing Extended > Basic at this > point. I've been trying to work on getting dish service in > the building, > but that's a longer process that has to go through the condo > association. > > -dc > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From jrnosee at gmail.com Tue Dec 2 15:53:17 2008 From: jrnosee at gmail.com (jrnosee@gmail.com) Date: Tue Dec 2 15:53:44 2008 Subject: [Cialug] MythTV HD tuner? In-Reply-To: <5791379.2581228252804344.JavaMail.root@zimbra> References: <5791379.2581228252804344.JavaMail.root@zimbra> Message-ID: I have the Pinnacle 800i PCTV HD Card and I'm fighting to get it to work with MythTV/MythBuntu. Every attempt I get closer. I know for linux the only option for HD tuning used to be pcHDTV. I've heard it works well, but never seen one in action. The HDHomeRun seems like a great bet to me since I think all you do is setup the tuner box and it streams over ethernet. HDHR has 2 tuners and can handle ATSC or QAM (unencrypted cable) so it should work with OTA and Mediacom. Last time I checked mediacom's offerings for HD they sucked anyways, you're better off just pulling in the OTA or QAM, you won't get much extra, and the only DVR likely to work with medicom's "extended" HD offerings would be their own DVR box. --Justin On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Jonathan C. Bailey < jbailey@co.marshall.ia.us> wrote: > I don't think HDHR will ever do CableCard. CableLabs wouldn't certify it, > so they could never sell it. Typical.. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nathan C. Smith" > To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" > Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2008 3:19:22 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: RE: [Cialug] MythTV HD tuner? > > Maybe for Digital cable somebody knows better, but I think we are SOL. > > Somebody here turned me on to the silicon HDHomerun and it is a pretty neat > dual-tuner setup. http://www.silicondust.com/products/hdhomerun > > Maybe they will introduce one that accepts cablecards in the future. > > Don't forget, you actually have to have a machine capable of playing back > HD. I think my backend machine will do some but my front-end, a 1.2 Ghz > shuttle, will not. > > -Nate > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org > > [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of David Champion > > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:15 PM > > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > > Subject: [Cialug] MythTV HD tuner? > > > > For those of you MythTV users... what's the current state of > > the art for > > HD tuners for MythTV? > > > > I'm updating to a HDTV for xmas, and thinking about re-building my > > MythTV box. Have a PVR-250 card I can use for SD encoding, but I'm > > thinking about getting a HD card too. > > > > I don't have HD service yet (other than OTA). Currently my > > only option > > at my condo is Mediacom cable, and I'm only doing Extended > > Basic at this > > point. I've been trying to work on getting dish service in > > the building, > > but that's a longer process that has to go through the condo > > association. > > > > -dc > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug@cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20081202/96538309/attachment.htm From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Tue Dec 2 16:11:15 2008 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Tue Dec 2 16:11:39 2008 Subject: [Cialug] MythTV HD tuner? In-Reply-To: References: <5791379.2581228252804344.JavaMail.root@zimbra> Message-ID: I have a pcHDTV that I was never able to get to work to my satisfaction. The back-end machine is probably too slow. It is an old AMD running at 2 GHz or so. I have a friend who is skilled in the A-V art. He agrees with you that OTA is better than Mediacom. He suspects the Mediacom signal gets compressed and says that if you look at them side-by-side that OTA is much cleaner. Interestingly, he also bought what he called the "Mother throw-down" Media Center PC from HP and has had much difficulty getting it to play back HD video. It can play black blu-ray and stutters at points during the movie, cannot get the soundtrack in anything better than stereo without an expensive processor (which he has since purchased) and gets annoying borders around playback windows. There is a border at the high end of PC-multimedia integration that you cannot cross without paying big bucks in licensing, or doing something "illegal" (see DMCA, etc). He has been trying to do the right thing but HP is blocked by Microsoft who will not issue some kind of updates since they decided media playback at the high-end is an appliance feature not a consumer media PC feature. I have decided I am, for now, happy with MythTV and my DVD-quality playback and decided I would not want to push the envelope because the people creating this stuff don't even seem to have a handle on the legal issues even if they can do the technical pieces. It seems to be a real mess and even Tivo is starting to suffer from it. We had our TivoHD set to playback at 720p. This weekend we got a message floating around the screen during playback that said the copyright holder of the program will not allow playback in HD. It was a standard-def recording. grr. -Nate ________________________________ From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of jrnosee@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:53 PM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] MythTV HD tuner? I have the Pinnacle 800i PCTV HD Card and I'm fighting to get it to work with MythTV/MythBuntu. Every attempt I get closer. I know for linux the only option for HD tuning used to be pcHDTV. I've heard it works well, but never seen one in action. The HDHomeRun seems like a great bet to me since I think all you do is setup the tuner box and it streams over ethernet. HDHR has 2 tuners and can handle ATSC or QAM (unencrypted cable) so it should work with OTA and Mediacom. Last time I checked mediacom's offerings for HD they sucked anyways, you're better off just pulling in the OTA or QAM, you won't get much extra, and the only DVR likely to work with medicom's "extended" HD offerings would be their own DVR box. --Justin On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Jonathan C. Bailey > wrote: I don't think HDHR will ever do CableCard. CableLabs wouldn't certify it, so they could never sell it. Typical.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan C. Smith" > To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" > Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2008 3:19:22 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: RE: [Cialug] MythTV HD tuner? Maybe for Digital cable somebody knows better, but I think we are SOL. Somebody here turned me on to the silicon HDHomerun and it is a pretty neat dual-tuner setup. http://www.silicondust.com/products/hdhomerun Maybe they will introduce one that accepts cablecards in the future. Don't forget, you actually have to have a machine capable of playing back HD. I think my backend machine will do some but my front-end, a 1.2 Ghz shuttle, will not. -Nate > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org > [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of David Champion > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:15 PM > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > Subject: [Cialug] MythTV HD tuner? > > For those of you MythTV users... what's the current state of > the art for > HD tuners for MythTV? > > I'm updating to a HDTV for xmas, and thinking about re-building my > MythTV box. Have a PVR-250 card I can use for SD encoding, but I'm > thinking about getting a HD card too. > > I don't have HD service yet (other than OTA). Currently my > only option > at my condo is Mediacom cable, and I'm only doing Extended > Basic at this > point. I've been trying to work on getting dish service in > the building, > but that's a longer process that has to go through the condo > association. > > -dc > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20081202/2cf57801/attachment.html From dchampion at visionary.com Tue Dec 2 16:40:58 2008 From: dchampion at visionary.com (David Champion) Date: Tue Dec 2 16:41:02 2008 Subject: [Cialug] MythTV HD tuner? In-Reply-To: References: <5791379.2581228252804344.JavaMail.root@zimbra> Message-ID: <4935B97A.6080705@visionary.com> I figured that would be the case. I don't know that I need to encode full 1080p content unless it was something special, would probably do 720p or less most of the time. For my MythTV server, I was thinking of upgrading an existing PC chassis with a decent Core2Duo setup. For playback, I'd either use my PS3 (not sure how user friendly that is yet... last time I checked into it nobody had figured out how to make the DLNA media servers put meaningful names on the encoded files), or my Shuttle with an AMD X2 processor. I'd hope that either of those would be powerful enough. I'm just in the investigation phase. I'm not against having to do some hacking along the way, but I want it to work when I'm done. I'll probably also look into appliances or getting a DVR from my provider too. -dc Nathan C. Smith wrote: > I have a pcHDTV that I was never able to get to work to my > satisfaction. The back-end machine is probably too slow. It is an > old AMD running at 2 GHz or so. > > I have a friend who is skilled in the A-V art. He agrees with you > that OTA is better than Mediacom. He suspects the Mediacom signal > gets compressed and says that if you look at them side-by-side that > OTA is much cleaner. > > Interestingly, he also bought what he called the "Mother throw-down" > Media Center PC from HP and has had much difficulty getting it to play > back HD video. It can play black blu-ray and stutters at points > during the movie, cannot get the soundtrack in anything better than > stereo without an expensive processor (which he has since purchased) > and gets annoying borders around playback windows. > > There is a border at the high end of PC-multimedia integration that > you cannot cross without paying big bucks in licensing, or doing > something "illegal" (see DMCA, etc). He has been trying to do the > right thing but HP is blocked by Microsoft who will not issue some > kind of updates since they decided media playback at the high-end is > an appliance feature not a consumer media PC feature. > > I have decided I am, for now, happy with MythTV and my DVD-quality > playback and decided I would not want to push the envelope because the > people creating this stuff don't even seem to have a handle on the > legal issues even if they can do the technical pieces. It seems to be > a real mess and even Tivo is starting to suffer from it. We had our > TivoHD set to playback at 720p. This weekend we got a message > floating around the screen during playback that said the copyright > holder of the program will not allow playback in HD. It was a > standard-def recording. grr. > > -Nate > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* cialug-bounces@cialug.org > [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] *On Behalf Of *jrnosee@gmail.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:53 PM > *To:* Central Iowa Linux Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [Cialug] MythTV HD tuner? > > I have the Pinnacle 800i PCTV HD Card and I'm fighting to get it > to work with MythTV/MythBuntu. Every attempt I get closer. I > know for linux the only option for HD tuning used to be pcHDTV. > I've heard it works well, but never seen one in action. The > HDHomeRun seems like a great bet to me since I think all you do is > setup the tuner box and it streams over ethernet. HDHR has 2 > tuners and can handle ATSC or QAM (unencrypted cable) so it should > work with OTA and Mediacom. Last time I checked mediacom's > offerings for HD they sucked anyways, you're better off just > pulling in the OTA or QAM, you won't get much extra, and the only > DVR likely to work with medicom's "extended" HD offerings would be > their own DVR box. > > --Justin > > On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Jonathan C. Bailey > > wrote: > > I don't think HDHR will ever do CableCard. CableLabs wouldn't > certify it, so they could never sell it. Typical.. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nathan C. Smith" > > To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" > > Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2008 3:19:22 PM GMT -06:00 > US/Canada Central > Subject: RE: [Cialug] MythTV HD tuner? > > Maybe for Digital cable somebody knows better, but I think we > are SOL. > > Somebody here turned me on to the silicon HDHomerun and it is > a pretty neat dual-tuner setup. > http://www.silicondust.com/products/hdhomerun > > Maybe they will introduce one that accepts cablecards in the > future. > > Don't forget, you actually have to have a machine capable of > playing back HD. I think my backend machine will do some but > my front-end, a 1.2 Ghz shuttle, will not. > > -Nate > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org > > > [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org > ] On Behalf Of David Champion > > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:15 PM > > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > > Subject: [Cialug] MythTV HD tuner? > > > > For those of you MythTV users... what's the current state of > > the art for > > HD tuners for MythTV? > > > > I'm updating to a HDTV for xmas, and thinking about > re-building my > > MythTV box. Have a PVR-250 card I can use for SD encoding, > but I'm > > thinking about getting a HD card too. > > > > I don't have HD service yet (other than OTA). Currently my > > only option > > at my condo is Mediacom cable, and I'm only doing Extended > > Basic at this > > point. I've been trying to work on getting dish service in > > the building, > > but that's a longer process that has to go through the condo > > association. > > > > -dc > > From tim_linux at wilson-home.com Tue Dec 2 17:23:01 2008 From: tim_linux at wilson-home.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Tue Dec 2 17:23:25 2008 Subject: [Cialug] MythTV HD tuner? In-Reply-To: <4935A53D.1070504@visionary.com> References: <4935A53D.1070504@visionary.com> Message-ID: <5a9568c20812021523m3b0a43eyea061e3a9915e53d@mail.gmail.com> If you do go dish, I would suggest going DirecTV. However, doing so might inhibit the use of a MythTV box. DirecTV does have local HD channels now (at least 5, 8, 13, and 17). With their HD-DVR, there is the DirecTV2PC option. Currently, there is only a Windows version of the software, but I've heard that PS3 can recognize the HD-DVR and play recorded programs. Of course, it really doesn't matter if you have your PS3 and HD-DVR hooked up to the same TV. I believe there are options with DirecTV to create your own media PC (add-in cards). I haven't looked into those yet, since 3 DVRs are more than enough for me. :) I've learned to never say never, but things would drastically have to change before I would recommend Mediacom to anyone. I'd recommend OTA over Mediacom. But I'd recommend DirecTV over OTA. On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 3:14 PM, David Champion wrote: > For those of you MythTV users... what's the current state of the art for HD > tuners for MythTV? > > I'm updating to a HDTV for xmas, and thinking about re-building my MythTV > box. Have a PVR-250 card I can use for SD encoding, but I'm thinking about > getting a HD card too. > > I don't have HD service yet (other than OTA). Currently my only option at my > condo is Mediacom cable, and I'm only doing Extended Basic at this point. > I've been trying to work on getting dish service in the building, but that's > a longer process that has to go through the condo association. > > -dc > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -- Tim From dchampion at visionary.com Wed Dec 3 08:33:41 2008 From: dchampion at visionary.com (David Champion) Date: Wed Dec 3 08:34:03 2008 Subject: [Cialug] MythTV HD tuner? In-Reply-To: <5a9568c20812021523m3b0a43eyea061e3a9915e53d@mail.gmail.com> References: <4935A53D.1070504@visionary.com> <5a9568c20812021523m3b0a43eyea061e3a9915e53d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <493698C5.5000408@visionary.com> Here's a new article about building a HTPC: http://arstechnica.com/guides/buyer/guide-200812-htpc.ars From newz at bearfruit.org Mon Dec 8 09:16:00 2008 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Mon Dec 8 09:16:32 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Microsoft is getting better Message-ID: Hi, a co-worker of mine, Michael Hudson (of PyPy fame), recently went to OSDC in sydney. He reported an interesting quote from Andrew Tridgell: > * an extremely interesting keynote from Andrew Tridgell about the > settlement of the EU anti-trust suit against Microsoft with regards > to documenting all their protocols -- it seems that Microsoft have > basically made a complete 180 turn in their strategy here and are > going way beyond the agreement they were compelled to accept from the > court. The best quote was "What happens when the largest software > company in the world learns to write test cases and documentation? > They get better. Yes, Windows is going to get better... Sorry about > that", I would expect Andrew to be the last person in the world to blow smoke in this regard so this is quite an impressive statement. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode From david at bierce.org Mon Dec 8 09:23:49 2008 From: david at bierce.org (David Bierce) Date: Mon Dec 8 09:24:16 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Microsoft is getting better In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1DDA4642-8512-412B-8EBC-1BF85E615B47@bierce.org> That's always been true of the Samba project in particular. Back in the day when they were first reverse engineering the protocol, they found ways for incoming network traffic to blue screen the machine with nothing more than the samba test harness. They still tell Microsoft about all the issues they find. Making their product better everyday :) On Dec 8, 2008, at 9:16 AM, Matthew Nuzum wrote: > Hi, a co-worker of mine, Michael Hudson (of PyPy fame), recently went > to OSDC in sydney. He reported an interesting quote from Andrew > Tridgell: > >> * an extremely interesting keynote from Andrew Tridgell about the >> settlement of the EU anti-trust suit against Microsoft with regards >> to documenting all their protocols -- it seems that Microsoft have >> basically made a complete 180 turn in their strategy here and are >> going way beyond the agreement they were compelled to accept from >> the >> court. The best quote was "What happens when the largest software >> company in the world learns to write test cases and documentation? >> They get better. Yes, Windows is going to get better... Sorry >> about >> that", > > I would expect Andrew to be the last person in the world to blow smoke > in this regard so this is quite an impressive statement. > > -- > Matthew Nuzum > newz2000 on freenode > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sorry about >> that", Wonder what he means by "sorry about that"? -todd From afan at afan.net Tue Dec 9 11:10:39 2008 From: afan at afan.net (Afan Pasalic) Date: Tue Dec 9 11:11:58 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Aspire One - looking for recommendation Message-ID: <493EA68F.8030905@afan.net> I bought Acer Aspire One (120GB, 8.9" LCD, XP Home) in Sam's Club few days ago. $349 + tax http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5&item=420110 I like it. I need some time to get used to smaller keyboards, but it's ok. Last night I was even working on it for more then 4 hours without problems. :-) I plan to install Ubuntu on it. I did some research and found some advantages having SSD comparing to "regular" HD (boot speed, starts apps faster, needs, battery last longer...) And I found "the same" Acer Aspire One (AOA110-1626 Netbook - Intel Atom? Processor N270 1.60GHz, 802.11b/g Wireless, 1GB DDR2, 16GB SSD, 8.9" WSVGA, Integrated Webcam, Linpus Linux Lite) http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4143759&sku=A180-8002 Now, I can't decide: keep the one with "regular" HD and instlal Ubuntu, or return it and buy this Linux version (most likely Linpus will be replaced with Ubuntu) Waiting for opinions and suggestions. Thanks. -afan From justin.carlson at gmail.com Tue Dec 9 11:26:49 2008 From: justin.carlson at gmail.com (Justin Carlson) Date: Tue Dec 9 11:27:23 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Aspire One - looking for recommendation In-Reply-To: <493EA68F.8030905@afan.net> References: <493EA68F.8030905@afan.net> Message-ID: <493EAA59.8050702@gmail.com> What's the life expectancy of those SSDs now? Can you get the SSD version for OS and a normal HDD for data or is there only 1 slot? Afan Pasalic wrote: > I bought Acer Aspire One (120GB, 8.9" LCD, XP Home) in Sam's Club few > days ago. $349 + tax > http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5&item=420110 > > I like it. I need some time to get used to smaller keyboards, but it's > ok. Last night I was even working on it for more then 4 hours without > problems. :-) > I plan to install Ubuntu on it. > > I did some research and found some advantages having SSD comparing to > "regular" HD (boot speed, starts apps faster, needs, battery last > longer...) And I found "the same" Acer Aspire One (AOA110-1626 Netbook > - Intel Atom? Processor N270 1.60GHz, 802.11b/g Wireless, 1GB DDR2, > 16GB SSD, 8.9" WSVGA, Integrated Webcam, Linpus Linux Lite) > http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4143759&sku=A180-8002 > > Now, I can't decide: keep the one with "regular" HD and instlal > Ubuntu, or return it and buy this Linux version (most likely Linpus > will be replaced with Ubuntu) > > Waiting for opinions and suggestions. > > Thanks. > > -afan > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From eric at eric.nu Tue Dec 9 11:28:37 2008 From: eric at eric.nu (Eric Junker) Date: Tue Dec 9 11:29:10 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Aspire One - looking for recommendation In-Reply-To: <493EA68F.8030905@afan.net> References: <493EA68F.8030905@afan.net> Message-ID: <493EAAC5.8010901@eric.nu> Afan Pasalic wrote: > Now, I can't decide: keep the one with "regular" HD and instlal Ubuntu, > or return it and buy this Linux version (most likely Linpus will be > replaced with Ubuntu) > > Waiting for opinions and suggestions. You might find this forum post informational: http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1033214887 Basically, they say that the SSDs used in netbooks are not very good and not much faster than hard drives. They also say that the extended battery life with SSD is usually negligible. If you are concerned about battery life it would be much better to get a 6-cell battery instead of a 3-cell battery. I have the MSI Wind which has a 10.2" screen as opposed to 8.9" on other netbooks. I find the larger screen much easier on the eyes. The 1024x600 resolution is a bit limiting but I got used to it. The larger screen also allows them to have a larger keyboard. I'm definitely glad I went with the larger screen and keyboard. My only complaint is that I only get 2-2.5 hours with the 3 cell battery but they do sell 6 and 9 cell batteries. OSX runs great on the Wind if you want to build a Hackintosh If anybody is interested in getting a netbook for Christmas Buy.com has the MSI Wind for $300 after rebate. http://www.liliputing.com/2008/12/msi-wind-u100-for-300-after-rebate.html Eric From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Tue Dec 9 14:59:11 2008 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Tue Dec 9 14:59:52 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Mediacom and Qwest IPs Message-ID: <493E87BF0200002E0002D8B6@alliancetechnologies.net> Does anyone on this list happen to have a handy reference for the Internet IP addresses that Mediacom and Qwest assign to consumers in Iowa? I need to secure a client to the best extent feasible. They're Iowa-only and we need to block out specifically people from other countries (I know, I know). I'm thinking it would be easier to do allow the majority of local ISPs and deny everything else, rather than trying to build a blacklist from ARIN. Dan and Dave, if you want to email me the ranges that you guys assign, I can add them as well. Thanks, -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej@alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 From djweis at internetsolver.com Tue Dec 9 15:05:10 2008 From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis) Date: Tue Dec 9 15:05:33 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Mediacom and Qwest IPs In-Reply-To: <493E87BF0200002E0002D8B6@alliancetechnologies.net> References: <493E87BF0200002E0002D8B6@alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: I don't know how precisely Qwest limits their blocks, Mediacom appears to keep theirs fairly localized though. It appears that 75.170.138.0/24 to 75.170.218.0/24 have made an appearance for me from Qwest. I'll send you our allocations offlist. dave On Tue, 9 Dec 2008, Josh More wrote: > Does anyone on this list happen to have a handy reference for the > Internet IP addresses that Mediacom and Qwest assign to consumers in > Iowa? I need to secure a client to the best extent feasible. They're > Iowa-only and we need to block out specifically people from other > countries (I know, I know). > > I'm thinking it would be easier to do allow the majority of local ISPs > and deny everything else, rather than trying to build a blacklist from > ARIN. > > Dan and Dave, if you want to email me the ranges that you guys assign, I > can add them as well. > > Thanks, > > > > -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC > morej@alliancetechnologies.net > 515-245-7701 > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -- Dave Weis djweis@internetsolver.com http://www.internetsolver.com/ From jerry at heiselman.com Tue Dec 9 15:06:54 2008 From: jerry at heiselman.com (Jerry Heiselman) Date: Tue Dec 9 15:21:43 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Mediacom and Qwest IPs In-Reply-To: <493E87BF0200002E0002D8B6@alliancetechnologies.net> References: <493E87BF0200002E0002D8B6@alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: <45a88bbd0812091306i1ce0c62brac7c3021b986b751@mail.gmail.com> All of Mediacom's are in the 12.x.x.x range, but they are spread all over. Arin.net gives a good list if you search for mediacomcc. On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Josh More wrote: > Does anyone on this list happen to have a handy reference for the > Internet IP addresses that Mediacom and Qwest assign to consumers in > Iowa? I need to secure a client to the best extent feasible. They're > Iowa-only and we need to block out specifically people from other > countries (I know, I know). > > I'm thinking it would be easier to do allow the majority of local ISPs > and deny everything else, rather than trying to build a blacklist from > ARIN. > > Dan and Dave, if you want to email me the ranges that you guys assign, I > can add them as well. > > Thanks, > > > > -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC > morej@alliancetechnologies.net > 515-245-7701 > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -- Jerry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20081209/9f569f39/attachment.htm From djweis at internetsolver.com Tue Dec 9 15:22:45 2008 From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis) Date: Tue Dec 9 15:23:10 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Mediacom and Qwest IPs In-Reply-To: <45a88bbd0812091306i1ce0c62brac7c3021b986b751@mail.gmail.com> References: <493E87BF0200002E0002D8B6@alliancetechnologies.net> <45a88bbd0812091306i1ce0c62brac7c3021b986b751@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Dec 2008, Jerry Heiselman wrote: > All of Mediacom's are in the 12.x.x.x range, but they are spread all over. > Arin.net gives a good list if you search for mediacomcc. I think they are finally getting their own allocation and handing out something in the 173 range. I don't know if it's hit here but there are people complaining on dslreports because there are routing problems to the new blocks or something of that nature. > On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Josh More wrote: > >> Does anyone on this list happen to have a handy reference for the >> Internet IP addresses that Mediacom and Qwest assign to consumers in >> Iowa? I need to secure a client to the best extent feasible. They're >> Iowa-only and we need to block out specifically people from other >> countries (I know, I know). >> >> I'm thinking it would be easier to do allow the majority of local ISPs >> and deny everything else, rather than trying to build a blacklist from >> ARIN. >> >> Dan and Dave, if you want to email me the ranges that you guys assign, I >> can add them as well. >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC >> morej@alliancetechnologies.net >> 515-245-7701 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> > > > > -- Dave Weis djweis@internetsolver.com http://www.internetsolver.com/ From jeff at ocjtech.us Tue Dec 9 15:24:24 2008 From: jeff at ocjtech.us (Jeffrey Ollie) Date: Tue Dec 9 15:24:51 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Mediacom and Qwest IPs In-Reply-To: <493E87BF0200002E0002D8B6@alliancetechnologies.net> References: <493E87BF0200002E0002D8B6@alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: <935ead450812091324wc776946x2f7affb759df4175@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Josh More wrote: > Does anyone on this list happen to have a handy reference for the > Internet IP addresses that Mediacom and Qwest assign to consumers in > Iowa? I need to secure a client to the best extent feasible. They're > Iowa-only and we need to block out specifically people from other > countries (I know, I know). > > I'm thinking it would be easier to do allow the majority of local ISPs > and deny everything else, rather than trying to build a blacklist from > ARIN. I hope you're charging this client an nice hourly rate becuase this is going to be a difficult, if not impossible task. (Personally I'd say it's pointless, but it's their money I guess). Don't forget about "ISPs" like the ICN, U of I, and Iowa State. And what about wireless providers like Verizon, US Cellular, etc.? Might be worth looking into the various geolocation databases out there. -- Jeff Ollie "You know, I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair. Then I thought, wouldn't it be much worse if life were fair, and all the terrible things that happen to us come because we actually deserve them? So, now I take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the universe." -- Marcus to Franklin in Babylon 5: "A Late Delivery from Avalon" From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Tue Dec 9 15:33:24 2008 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Tue Dec 9 15:34:11 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Mediacom and Qwest IPs Message-ID: <493E8FC40200002E0002D8CC@alliancetechnologies.net> It's never going to be perfect, we know. There are mitigating factors that I cannot discuss on a public list. We're really just going for something that provides real security with a minimal interruption to operations. It's a difficult balance, but it should be possible if we accept a somewhat fuzzy definition of "done". Luckily, wireless is not a consideration for this one. (whew!) -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej@alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 >>> "Jeffrey Ollie" 12/09/08 3:24 PM >>> On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Josh More wrote: > Does anyone on this list happen to have a handy reference for the > Internet IP addresses that Mediacom and Qwest assign to consumers in > Iowa? I need to secure a client to the best extent feasible. They're > Iowa-only and we need to block out specifically people from other > countries (I know, I know). > > I'm thinking it would be easier to do allow the majority of local ISPs > and deny everything else, rather than trying to build a blacklist from > ARIN. I hope you're charging this client an nice hourly rate becuase this is going to be a difficult, if not impossible task. (Personally I'd say it's pointless, but it's their money I guess). Don't forget about "ISPs" like the ICN, U of I, and Iowa State. And what about wireless providers like Verizon, US Cellular, etc.? Might be worth looking into the various geolocation databases out there. -- Jeff Ollie "You know, I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair. Then I thought, wouldn't it be much worse if life were fair, and all the terrible things that happen to us come because we actually deserve them? So, now I take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the universe." -- Marcus to Franklin in Babylon 5: "A Late Delivery from Avalon" _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From tom at tcpconsulting.com Tue Dec 9 15:44:32 2008 From: tom at tcpconsulting.com (Tom Pohl) Date: Tue Dec 9 15:44:57 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Mediacom and Qwest IPs In-Reply-To: <935ead450812091324wc776946x2f7affb759df4175@mail.gmail.com> References: <493E87BF0200002E0002D8B6@alliancetechnologies.net> <935ead450812091324wc776946x2f7affb759df4175@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <647DEA45-FBA5-4187-B7D2-73D5ED372A36@tcpconsulting.com> Don't forget that if they plan on receiving or sending email to any of the Iowa clients that they might be using a 3rd party service like bigfish.com (now owned by m$) and the mx ips probably aren't even in the US, but in the UK! -Tom On Dec 9, 2008, at 3:24 PM, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: > On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Josh More > wrote: >> Does anyone on this list happen to have a handy reference for the >> Internet IP addresses that Mediacom and Qwest assign to consumers in >> Iowa? I need to secure a client to the best extent feasible. >> They're >> Iowa-only and we need to block out specifically people from other >> countries (I know, I know). >> >> I'm thinking it would be easier to do allow the majority of local >> ISPs >> and deny everything else, rather than trying to build a blacklist >> from >> ARIN. > > I hope you're charging this client an nice hourly rate becuase this is > going to be a difficult, if not impossible task. (Personally I'd say > it's pointless, but it's their money I guess). > > Don't forget about "ISPs" like the ICN, U of I, and Iowa State. > > And what about wireless providers like Verizon, US Cellular, etc.? > > Might be worth looking into the various geolocation databases out > there. > > -- > Jeff Ollie > > "You know, I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair. Then > I thought, wouldn't it be much worse if life were fair, and all the > terrible things that happen to us come because we actually deserve > them? So, now I take great comfort in the general hostility and > unfairness of the universe." > > -- Marcus to Franklin in Babylon 5: "A Late Delivery from Avalon" > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From jrnosee at gmail.com Tue Dec 9 16:14:40 2008 From: jrnosee at gmail.com (jrnosee@gmail.com) Date: Tue Dec 9 16:15:06 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Mediacom and Qwest IPs In-Reply-To: <493E8FC40200002E0002D8CC@alliancetechnologies.net> References: <493E8FC40200002E0002D8CC@alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: What about using geolocation to check IPs? On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Josh More wrote: > It's never going to be perfect, we know. There are mitigating factors > that I cannot discuss on a public list. We're really just going for > something that provides real security with a minimal interruption to > operations. It's a difficult balance, but it should be possible if we > accept a somewhat fuzzy definition of "done". > > Luckily, wireless is not a consideration for this one. (whew!) > > > > -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC > morej@alliancetechnologies.net > 515-245-7701 > > >>> "Jeffrey Ollie" 12/09/08 3:24 PM >>> > On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Josh More > wrote: > > Does anyone on this list happen to have a handy reference for the > > Internet IP addresses that Mediacom and Qwest assign to consumers in > > Iowa? I need to secure a client to the best extent feasible. They're > > Iowa-only and we need to block out specifically people from other > > countries (I know, I know). > > > > I'm thinking it would be easier to do allow the majority of local ISPs > > and deny everything else, rather than trying to build a blacklist from > > ARIN. > > I hope you're charging this client an nice hourly rate becuase this is > going to be a difficult, if not impossible task. (Personally I'd say > it's pointless, but it's their money I guess). > > Don't forget about "ISPs" like the ICN, U of I, and Iowa State. > > And what about wireless providers like Verizon, US Cellular, etc.? > > Might be worth looking into the various geolocation databases out there. > > -- > Jeff Ollie > > "You know, I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair. Then > I thought, wouldn't it be much worse if life were fair, and all the > terrible things that happen to us come because we actually deserve > them? So, now I take great comfort in the general hostility and > unfairness of the universe." > > -- Marcus to Franklin in Babylon 5: "A Late Delivery from > Avalon" > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20081209/98653fc0/attachment-0001.html From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Tue Dec 9 16:26:04 2008 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Tue Dec 9 16:26:50 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Mediacom and Qwest IPs Message-ID: <493E9C1C0200002E0002D8EA@alliancetechnologies.net> That's not possible with the technology being used, and we're sadly stuck with this technology until mid 2009. Good idea though. It's weak on proxies, but my current solution is pretty weak as well, so they're comparable. -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej@alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 >>> 12/09/08 4:14 PM >>> What about using geolocation to check IPs? On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Josh More wrote: > It's never going to be perfect, we know. There are mitigating factors > that I cannot discuss on a public list. We're really just going for > something that provides real security with a minimal interruption to > operations. It's a difficult balance, but it should be possible if we > accept a somewhat fuzzy definition of "done". > > Luckily, wireless is not a consideration for this one. (whew!) > > > > -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC > morej@alliancetechnologies.net > 515-245-7701 > > >>> "Jeffrey Ollie" 12/09/08 3:24 PM >>> > On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Josh More > wrote: > > Does anyone on this list happen to have a handy reference for the > > Internet IP addresses that Mediacom and Qwest assign to consumers in > > Iowa? I need to secure a client to the best extent feasible. They're > > Iowa-only and we need to block out specifically people from other > > countries (I know, I know). > > > > I'm thinking it would be easier to do allow the majority of local ISPs > > and deny everything else, rather than trying to build a blacklist from > > ARIN. > > I hope you're charging this client an nice hourly rate becuase this is > going to be a difficult, if not impossible task. (Personally I'd say > it's pointless, but it's their money I guess). > > Don't forget about "ISPs" like the ICN, U of I, and Iowa State. > > And what about wireless providers like Verizon, US Cellular, etc.? > > Might be worth looking into the various geolocation databases out there. > > -- > Jeff Ollie > > "You know, I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair. Then > I thought, wouldn't it be much worse if life were fair, and all the > terrible things that happen to us come because we actually deserve > them? So, now I take great comfort in the general hostility and > unfairness of the universe." > > -- Marcus to Franklin in Babylon 5: "A Late Delivery from > Avalon" > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From jrnosee at gmail.com Tue Dec 9 16:30:20 2008 From: jrnosee at gmail.com (jrnosee@gmail.com) Date: Tue Dec 9 16:30:51 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Free Codeweavers - did it work? In-Reply-To: References: <490B7768.2030908@vonahsen.com> <470BC0C9-0FA1-4124-8FA4-2E033B07C8E9@aol.com> <490EF20F.7070809@vonahsen.com> Message-ID: Well... I finally had time to install, use my code, and test. Got the crossover games for linux. EPIC FAIL. I installed Steam + Counter Strike: Source. Figuring that since steam and CSS supposidly work in WINE, this should be pretty flawless. WRONG. Setup of crossover was a pain enough (something about Ubuntu 8.10 and rights when registering), steam was easy luckilly, but then running the game was a huge pain. If you have compiz setup (aka ubuntu advanced effects) it needs to be disabled every time I *TRY* to play. Once running, it's best to get the command switches for the game to run it windoed @ low resolution. It's the only way to play it with a decent frame-rate and it still crashes frequently. Sadly, I was hoping that I would finally find my linux gaming solution so I could dump Windows forever...not gonna happen now. When my new power supply comes in for my GOOD computer (not that this one couldn't have run CSS quite well in XP) I'll be leaving Vista on board and removing that empty partition I was saving to test linux on my primary machine. Well, at least I can still use linux to host VM, websites, embedded development, and as a quick load OS for email and web on my laptop! On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 8:48 AM, Matthew Nuzum wrote: > On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 6:43 AM, Barry Von Ahsen > wrote: > > just the support - the product will continue to work > > > > -barry > > > > To be more detailed, if you install Windows applications and use them > now you'll be able to use them as long as you need to. If a new > windows program comes out in a few months you may not get the best > support for it until you upgrade to the next version of crossover > office. You can upgrade for free until your support runs out. > > For example, I installed IE 6 no problem in crossover when I bought my > license, but by the time IE 7 came out my license had expired. I > believe a later update fixed the installation issue I experienced but > I didn't have access to that version. > > They are constantly improving the software so the updates are quite nice. > > I encourage people that need a windows program to buy the product for > 6mo or a year and use crossover as a way to wean yourself from Windows > software. > > -- > Matthew Nuzum > newz2000 on freenode > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They're >> Iowa-only and we need to block out specifically people from other >> countries (I know, I know). >> >> I'm thinking it would be easier to do allow the majority of local ISPs >> and deny everything else, rather than trying to build a blacklist from >> ARIN. >> > > I hope you're charging this client an nice hourly rate becuase this is > going to be a difficult, if not impossible task. (Personally I'd say > it's pointless, but it's their money I guess). > > Don't forget about "ISPs" like the ICN, U of I, and Iowa State. > > And what about wireless providers like Verizon, US Cellular, etc.? > > Might be worth looking into the various geolocation databases out there. > > Geolocation only works if the DNS has the proper entries for it, and it can be set to say whatever you want. Also - besides all of the small ISP's, don't forget all of the companies around that may have various ISP's, whose arin info may say they're from out of state. I checked the old IP blocks we haven't had since about 10 years ago, and they've finally changed the arin info for them. -dc From tdwalton at gmail.com Tue Dec 9 17:57:12 2008 From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton) Date: Tue Dec 9 17:57:36 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Free Codeweavers - did it work? In-Reply-To: References: <490B7768.2030908@vonahsen.com> <470BC0C9-0FA1-4124-8FA4-2E033B07C8E9@aol.com> <490EF20F.7070809@vonahsen.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 4:30 PM, wrote: > Well... I finally had time to install, use my code, and test. Got the > crossover games for linux. EPIC FAIL. That's disappointing. Not that I give two hoots about computer games. But I'd figured Crossover worked well for games. Maybe it's just that one game? -todd From cwfreeman at gmail.com Tue Dec 9 20:45:52 2008 From: cwfreeman at gmail.com (Chris Freeman) Date: Tue Dec 9 20:46:20 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Free Codeweavers - did it work? In-Reply-To: References: <490B7768.2030908@vonahsen.com> <470BC0C9-0FA1-4124-8FA4-2E033B07C8E9@aol.com> <490EF20F.7070809@vonahsen.com> Message-ID: <3afd8deb0812091845gc71108dp3012176e0813488@mail.gmail.com> I used it to get Outlook working, and it was a resounding success. I no longer have to have VMware running solely for checking email at work. Chris On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Todd Walton wrote: > On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 4:30 PM, wrote: > > Well... I finally had time to install, use my code, and test. Got the > > crossover games for linux. EPIC FAIL. > > That's disappointing. Not that I give two hoots about computer games. > But I'd figured Crossover worked well for games. Maybe it's just > that one game? > > -todd > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <3afd8deb0812091845gc71108dp3012176e0813488@mail.gmail.com> References: <490B7768.2030908@vonahsen.com> <470BC0C9-0FA1-4124-8FA4-2E033B07C8E9@aol.com> <490EF20F.7070809@vonahsen.com> <3afd8deb0812091845gc71108dp3012176e0813488@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Can you not use evolution for your email? On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 8:45 PM, Chris Freeman wrote: > I used it to get Outlook working, and it was a resounding success. I no > longer have to have VMware running solely for checking email at work. > > Chris > > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Todd Walton wrote: > >> On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 4:30 PM, wrote: >> > Well... I finally had time to install, use my code, and test. Got the >> > crossover games for linux. EPIC FAIL. >> >> That's disappointing. Not that I give two hoots about computer games. >> But I'd figured Crossover worked well for games. Maybe it's just >> that one game? >> >> -todd >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20081210/04e0e10e/attachment.htm From timchampion at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 16:07:54 2008 From: timchampion at gmail.com (Tim Champion) Date: Wed Dec 10 16:08:20 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Free Codeweavers - did it work? In-Reply-To: References: <470BC0C9-0FA1-4124-8FA4-2E033B07C8E9@aol.com> <490EF20F.7070809@vonahsen.com> <3afd8deb0812091845gc71108dp3012176e0813488@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7aa1cdb20812101407t1c46362axd46f50eec8c8ab5@mail.gmail.com> I use Evolution with an Exchange connection. I just recently got it to work, and even then, its a little flakey. I think I could deal with it, but I still have a windows computer (for Outlook/Office) and and Ubuntu comptuer on my desk, liked together with Synergy. Tim Champion timchampion@gmail.com On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 3:23 PM, wrote: > Can you not use evolution for your email? > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 8:45 PM, Chris Freeman wrote: >> >> I used it to get Outlook working, and it was a resounding success. I no >> longer have to have VMware running solely for checking email at work. >> >> Chris >> >> On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Todd Walton wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 4:30 PM, wrote: >>> > Well... I finally had time to install, use my code, and test. Got the >>> > crossover games for linux. EPIC FAIL. >>> >>> That's disappointing. Not that I give two hoots about computer games. >>> But I'd figured Crossover worked well for games. Maybe it's just >>> that one game? >>> >>> -todd >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Cialug mailing list >>> Cialug@cialug.org >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > From cwfreeman at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 18:06:21 2008 From: cwfreeman at gmail.com (Chris Freeman) Date: Wed Dec 10 18:06:47 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Free Codeweavers - did it work? In-Reply-To: References: <470BC0C9-0FA1-4124-8FA4-2E033B07C8E9@aol.com> <490EF20F.7070809@vonahsen.com> <3afd8deb0812091845gc71108dp3012176e0813488@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3afd8deb0812101606g36291e00n4e9c110a5535c4e0@mail.gmail.com> I asked about it, but was advised away from it. Evolution uses the web interface to the server. We have to use a quasi-random number generator fob in order to access our webmail. I got the impression, though I never verified, that I would have to use the fob in order to use Evolution as well. There may be other problems as well, but I didn't look into it too deeply. I should mention that 'resounding success' means having to restart Outlook every day or two. But, it gets the email, displays notifications, and handles the calendar correctly all within a nearly-native window. On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 3:23 PM, wrote: > Can you not use evolution for your email? > > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 8:45 PM, Chris Freeman wrote: > >> I used it to get Outlook working, and it was a resounding success. I no >> longer have to have VMware running solely for checking email at work. >> >> Chris >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20081210/b41e9440/attachment.html From tdwalton at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 22:00:28 2008 From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton) Date: Wed Dec 10 22:00:53 2008 Subject: [Cialug] HeliOS project article In-Reply-To: <49400D0E.2040706@visionary.com> References: <49400D0E.2040706@visionary.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:40 PM, David Champion wrote: > http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2008/12/linux-stop-holding-our-kids-back.html > > My favorite quote from the letter: "I along with many others tried Linux > during college". Well I hope she didn't inhale. There was a comment to the blog: ---------------------------------------- jerryleecooper said... You are kidding arent you ? Are you saying that this linux can run on a computer without windows underneath it, at all ? As in, without a boot disk, without any drivers, and without any services ? That sounds preposterous to me. If it were true (and I doubt it), then companies would be selling computers without a windows. This clearly is not happening, so there must be some error in your calculations. I hope you realise that windows is more than just Office ? Its a whole system that runs the computer from start to finish, and that is a very difficult thing to acheive. A lot of people dont realise this. Microsoft just spent $9 billion and many years to create Vista, so it does not sound reasonable that some new alternative could just snap into existence overnight like that. It would take billions of dollars and a massive effort to achieve. IBM tried, and spent a huge amount of money developing OS/2 but could never keep up with Windows. Apple tried to create their own system for years, but finally gave up recently and moved to Intel and Microsoft. Its just not possible that a freeware like the Linux could be extended to the point where it runs the entire computer fron start to finish, without using some of the more critical parts of windows. Not possible. ---------------------------------------- I can't tell if it's a hoax or not. The letter or the comment. -todd From jerry at heiselman.com Wed Dec 10 22:07:06 2008 From: jerry at heiselman.com (Jerry Heiselman) Date: Wed Dec 10 22:07:32 2008 Subject: [Cialug] HeliOS project article In-Reply-To: References: <49400D0E.2040706@visionary.com> Message-ID: <45a88bbd0812102007kcee533eg6cde57fc39be09f3@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Todd Walton wrote: > > There was a comment to the blog: > > ---------------------------------------- > jerryleecooper said... > > You are kidding arent you ? > > Yeah, I think this guy just makes that comment whenever he sees something about linux. It would appear he originally posted this same exact rant here http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-12355-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=31199&messageID=579806 . Either that, or its just some joker posting stuff to get a rise out of people. -- Jerry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20081210/6da95b09/attachment.htm From chapinjeff at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 02:04:25 2008 From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin) Date: Thu Dec 11 02:05:24 2008 Subject: [Cialug] MythTV HD tuner? In-Reply-To: <493698C5.5000408@visionary.com> References: <4935A53D.1070504@visionary.com> <5a9568c20812021523m3b0a43eyea061e3a9915e53d@mail.gmail.com> <493698C5.5000408@visionary.com> Message-ID: <4940C989.5000600@gmail.com> For anyone interested, sellout.woot.com has a mythtv compatible refurb HD PCI tuner for sale today (12/11/08) for $19.99 each, plus $5 shipping. Only supports unencrypted channels, but comes with FM and a remote control, and it also supports analog signals in one device. It appears to be a software encoding card, sadly, so it requires a bit of power to the box to get the work done. Most reviewers seem to agree, great hardware, terrible software when it comes to this card, but if you use third party software, you ought to be just fine. Seems to work out of the box with 2.6.25 or higher, or (*shudder*) Windows MCE with a patch. Links: http://sellout.woot.com/Default.aspx?WootSaleId=7633&ts=1228982318&sig=5e759b03caa35eaa http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Pinnacle_PCTV_HD_Card_(800i) Jeff Chapin David Champion wrote: > Here's a new article about building a HTPC: > > http://arstechnica.com/guides/buyer/guide-200812-htpc.ars > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From jrnosee at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 08:48:20 2008 From: jrnosee at gmail.com (jrnosee@gmail.com) Date: Thu Dec 11 08:48:51 2008 Subject: [Cialug] MythTV HD tuner? In-Reply-To: <4940C989.5000600@gmail.com> References: <4935A53D.1070504@visionary.com> <5a9568c20812021523m3b0a43eyea061e3a9915e53d@mail.gmail.com> <493698C5.5000408@visionary.com> <4940C989.5000600@gmail.com> Message-ID: NOOOOOOOOO...... This is the card I was talking about earlier! If you get this card be prepared for a headache!!! I originally bought it when it was introduced to the market by woot.com (they set up some deal to release it first). 1.) ATSC/QAM/NTSC = ATSC is a pain enough to set up in Windows (Vista x64...x86 may be easier?) but QAM is just now getting support w/ beta drivers. I have yet to get a quality HD show to work with this board. Tried w/ Mythbuntu and I'm still fighting issues w/ my video driver & this card, so not much luck there. NTSC has never worked for me in linux, but did in Windows.... 2.) FM...haven't even tried 3.) IR Remote...ok, so that kinda works as advertised. 4.) Linux...best be using the LATEST kernel or it's a hack-job to get this board to work. 5.) Software encoded...use a POWERFUL system. I tried it on a single core 3GHz and had troubles...but they could all be software problems....still, when encoding HD it seems to suck up a ton of CPU usage. IF anyone DOES get this and get's it to work I'd LOVE to know what you did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I bought it and now I'm stuck trying to get it to work.... On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 2:04 AM, Jeff Chapin wrote: > For anyone interested, sellout.woot.com has a mythtv compatible refurb > HD PCI tuner for sale today (12/11/08) for $19.99 each, plus $5 shipping. > > Only supports unencrypted channels, but comes with FM and a remote > control, and it also supports analog signals in one device. It appears > to be a software encoding card, sadly, so it requires a bit of power to > the box to get the work done. Most reviewers seem to agree, great > hardware, terrible software when it comes to this card, but if you use > third party software, you ought to be just fine. > > Seems to work out of the box with 2.6.25 or higher, or (*shudder*) > Windows MCE with a patch. > > Links: > > http://sellout.woot.com/Default.aspx?WootSaleId=7633&ts=1228982318&sig=5e759b03caa35eaa > http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Pinnacle_PCTV_HD_Card_(800i) > > Jeff Chapin > > David Champion wrote: > > Here's a new article about building a HTPC: > > > > http://arstechnica.com/guides/buyer/guide-200812-htpc.ars > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug@cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20081211/5280b8a9/attachment-0001.html From major.stubble at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 09:25:57 2008 From: major.stubble at gmail.com (Nathaniel Petersen) Date: Thu Dec 11 09:26:22 2008 Subject: [Cialug] MythTV HD tuner? In-Reply-To: References: <4935A53D.1070504@visionary.com> <5a9568c20812021523m3b0a43eyea061e3a9915e53d@mail.gmail.com> <493698C5.5000408@visionary.com> <4940C989.5000600@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1d8332a90812110725j4762722t74607358e2508485@mail.gmail.com> I'm sure there are others that will correct me on this one, but why would you need to encode HD? The signal is already mpeg2, so you should be able to copy it straight to your system, right? Sure, if you want it to encapsulate it into a compressed avi, then you would need to encode it, but nothing more than if you were doing the same to a ripped DVD. As an aside, it is worth noting that the MythTV wiki does say this about the card: --Update Nov-2008 - This worked out of the box on Mythbuntu 8.10 which comes with 2.6.27 kernel. The firmware was needed on this application as well. There is a "raspy" electronic sound that I have yet to fix. You should also take note of the firmware section, as I know from experience in the past with other Pinnacle TV cards that they love to release these cards with less than optimal firmware and improve it once they know how many suckers bought it in the first place. Personally, I'm going to pass, as things are tight right now, and that $25 will actually fill up my car with gas now. On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 8:48 AM, wrote: > NOOOOOOOOO...... This is the card I was talking about earlier! If you get > this card be prepared for a headache!!! I originally bought it when it was > introduced to the market by woot.com (they set up some deal to release it > first). > > 1.) ATSC/QAM/NTSC = ATSC is a pain enough to set up in Windows (Vista > x64...x86 may be easier?) but QAM is just now getting support w/ beta > drivers. I have yet to get a quality HD show to work with this board. Tried > w/ Mythbuntu and I'm still fighting issues w/ my video driver & this card, > so not much luck there. NTSC has never worked for me in linux, but did in > Windows.... > > 2.) FM...haven't even tried > > 3.) IR Remote...ok, so that kinda works as advertised. > > 4.) Linux...best be using the LATEST kernel or it's a hack-job to get this > board to work. > > 5.) Software encoded...use a POWERFUL system. I tried it on a single core > 3GHz and had troubles...but they could all be software problems....still, > when encoding HD it seems to suck up a ton of CPU usage. > > IF anyone DOES get this and get's it to work I'd LOVE to know what you > did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I bought it and now I'm stuck > trying to get it to work.... From jrnosee at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 14:33:27 2008 From: jrnosee at gmail.com (jrnosee@gmail.com) Date: Thu Dec 11 14:34:01 2008 Subject: [Cialug] MythTV HD tuner? In-Reply-To: <1d8332a90812110725j4762722t74607358e2508485@mail.gmail.com> References: <4935A53D.1070504@visionary.com> <5a9568c20812021523m3b0a43eyea061e3a9915e53d@mail.gmail.com> <493698C5.5000408@visionary.com> <4940C989.5000600@gmail.com> <1d8332a90812110725j4762722t74607358e2508485@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: While the card does work "out of the box" in 8.10 (which I'm not sure how they call it "out of the box" if you still need the firmware), it may not work with your other hardware/drivers. It fights my nVidia card, and I've yet to find a configuration that works properly with it. On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 9:25 AM, Nathaniel Petersen wrote: > I'm sure there are others that will correct me on this one, but why > would you need to encode HD? The signal is already mpeg2, so you > should be able to copy it straight to your system, right? Sure, if > you want it to encapsulate it into a compressed avi, then you would > need to encode it, but nothing more than if you were doing the same to > a ripped DVD. > > As an aside, it is worth noting that the MythTV wiki does say this > about the card: > > --Update Nov-2008 - This worked out of the box on Mythbuntu 8.10 which > comes with 2.6.27 kernel. The firmware was needed on this application > as well. There is a "raspy" electronic sound that I have yet to fix. > > You should also take note of the firmware section, as I know from > experience in the past with other Pinnacle TV cards that they love to > release these cards with less than optimal firmware and improve it > once they know how many suckers bought it in the first place. > > Personally, I'm going to pass, as things are tight right now, and that > $25 will actually fill up my car with gas now. > > On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 8:48 AM, wrote: > > NOOOOOOOOO...... This is the card I was talking about earlier! If you > get > > this card be prepared for a headache!!! I originally bought it when it > was > > introduced to the market by woot.com (they set up some deal to release > it > > first). > > > > 1.) ATSC/QAM/NTSC = ATSC is a pain enough to set up in Windows (Vista > > x64...x86 may be easier?) but QAM is just now getting support w/ beta > > drivers. I have yet to get a quality HD show to work with this board. > Tried > > w/ Mythbuntu and I'm still fighting issues w/ my video driver & this > card, > > so not much luck there. NTSC has never worked for me in linux, but did > in > > Windows.... > > > > 2.) FM...haven't even tried > > > > 3.) IR Remote...ok, so that kinda works as advertised. > > > > 4.) Linux...best be using the LATEST kernel or it's a hack-job to get > this > > board to work. > > > > 5.) Software encoded...use a POWERFUL system. I tried it on a single > core > > 3GHz and had troubles...but they could all be software problems....still, > > when encoding HD it seems to suck up a ton of CPU usage. > > > > IF anyone DOES get this and get's it to work I'd LOVE to know what you > > did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 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URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20081211/7b217560/attachment.htm From afan at afan.net Fri Dec 12 12:11:46 2008 From: afan at afan.net (Afan Pasalic) Date: Fri Dec 12 12:12:14 2008 Subject: [Cialug] School Teacher Accusing a Student And an Open Source Software Project of Breaking The Law Message-ID: <4942A962.3020207@afan.net> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/ignorant-teacher-linux-in-education.html http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2008/12/linux-stop-holding-our-kids-back.html :-) -afan From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Fri Dec 12 12:32:43 2008 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Fri Dec 12 12:33:44 2008 Subject: [Cialug] School Teacher Accusing a Student And an Open Source Software Project of Breaking The Law Message-ID: <494259EB0200002E0002DD3E@alliancetechnologies.net> If you're going to read the first two parts of the story, PLEASE read the conclusion: http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2008/12/character-assasinations-aint-us.html It's by far the best part. -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej@alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 >>> Afan Pasalic 12/12/08 12:11 PM >>> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/ignorant-teacher-linux-in-education.html http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2008/12/linux-stop-holding-our-kids-back.html :-) -afan _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From lathrop at prestonfam.org Fri Dec 12 12:33:48 2008 From: lathrop at prestonfam.org (Lathrop Preston) Date: Fri Dec 12 12:34:14 2008 Subject: [Cialug] School Teacher Accusing a Student And an Open Source Software Project of Breaking The Law In-Reply-To: <4942A962.3020207@afan.net> References: <4942A962.3020207@afan.net> Message-ID: <276cbfb0812121033m1fd01117x9d8ae12a8a0b9d6b@mail.gmail.com> Follow up http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2008/12/character-assasinations-aint-us.html On 12/12/08, Afan Pasalic wrote: > http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/ignorant-teacher-linux-in-education.html > > http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2008/12/linux-stop-holding-our-kids-back.html > > :-) > > -afan > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Fri Dec 12 14:08:31 2008 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Fri Dec 12 14:08:57 2008 Subject: [Cialug] OT: New Windows Vulnerabilities "Zero day" Message-ID: Anybody following these new issues in IE and WordPad? I'm still looking for a lucid explanation of the issues. -Nate From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Fri Dec 12 14:41:47 2008 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Fri Dec 12 14:42:45 2008 Subject: [Cialug] OT: New Windows Vulnerabilities "Zero day" Message-ID: <4942782B0200002E0002DD67@alliancetechnologies.net> I'm following them, but thus far, there's nothing I can do about it other than recommending Firefox over IE and running AV/HIPS (like Sophos). Details will be limited untl there is a patch out. -Josh Mobile email powered by Nokia Intellisync ---- Original Message ---- From: "Nathan C. Smith" Date: 08-12-12 14:10 To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" Subj: [Cialug] OT: New Windows Vulnerabilities "Zero day" Anybody following these new issues in IE and WordPad? I'm still looking for a lucid explanation of the issues. -Nate_______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Sat Dec 13 16:41:40 2008 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Sat Dec 13 16:42:34 2008 Subject: [Cialug] IE Zero Day Vuln Message-ID: <4943E5C40200002E0002DE5E@alliancetechnologies.net> For those looking for more info on the IE problem, check http://blogs.technet.com/swi/archive/2008/12/12/Clarification-on-the-various-workarounds-from-the-recent-IE-advisory.aspx Nutshell: There are nine different workaround, but none of them are complete. Best solution is not use IE if you can avoid doing so. -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej@alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 From tdwalton at gmail.com Sun Dec 14 13:55:11 2008 From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton) Date: Sun Dec 14 13:55:37 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Nice CPU, never bit anyone, free to good home Message-ID: I have an Intel Pentium 4 631 Cedar Mill 3.0GHz LGA 775 processor I'd like to give away. It's attached to a BIOSTAR 945P-A7A ATX motherboard, but I suspect the motherboard of not working. You'd have to take both, because I don't have any way to safely store the CPU otherwise. Price: free. Anybody? -todd From jerry at heiselman.com Sun Dec 14 19:16:43 2008 From: jerry at heiselman.com (Jerry Heiselman) Date: Sun Dec 14 19:17:08 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Nice CPU, never bit anyone, free to good home In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45a88bbd0812141716k433e68bl531876b48c9c0711@mail.gmail.com> Consider it sold (given?). What do I need to do to claim it? On 12/14/08, Todd Walton wrote: > I have an Intel Pentium 4 631 Cedar Mill 3.0GHz LGA 775 processor I'd > like to give away. It's attached to a BIOSTAR 945P-A7A ATX > motherboard, but I suspect the motherboard of not working. You'd have > to take both, because I don't have any way to safely store the CPU > otherwise. > > Price: free. Anybody? > > -todd > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -- Jerry From tdwalton at gmail.com Tue Dec 16 07:48:20 2008 From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton) Date: Tue Dec 16 07:48:43 2008 Subject: [Cialug] A Language for Text Editing Message-ID: "Unix shell scripts can be used to manipulate texts. There are several programmable editors, best known is Emacs. Perl (www.phlab.missouri.edu/perl/perlcourse.html) is still more powerful text manipulator, but it is also more difficult to program. The ultimate text manipulators are programs written in Ada, C, C++ or other programming languages." http://seismo.berkeley.edu/~rallen/resources/UNIXcmds/sed_tr_cut_od.html ========================== That's kind of a funny notion... It was written in 1999, but still. -todd From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Wed Dec 17 11:01:27 2008 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Wed Dec 17 11:02:23 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Meeting Reminder: Tonight Message-ID: <4948DC080200002E0002E283@alliancetechnologies.net> Just a reminder that the LUG are meeting tonight. The topic is networking and we may have a speaker (there's a schedule conflict that he's trying to work out). I had postponed this announcement until I knew what the weather was going to be like. Though yesterday was bad and tomorrow looks bad, tonight should be fine. The roads were OK coming in and should be even better by this evening. So come on by and we can talk about interesting Linux networking issues. -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej@alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 From dchampion at visionary.com Wed Dec 17 14:02:58 2008 From: dchampion at visionary.com (David Champion) Date: Wed Dec 17 14:03:20 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Meeting Reminder: Tonight In-Reply-To: <4948DC080200002E0002E283@alliancetechnologies.net> References: <4948DC080200002E0002E283@alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: <49495AF2.5000508@visionary.com> Don't know if anyone's interested, but I happen to have my Linksys WRT54GL with dd-wrt installed on it with me today, we could poke around on that for a bit. I'm far from an expert with dd-wrt... I installed it about a month ago and that's about it. But I know there are a few of you that use it. From what I've seen so far, it's way more flexible than the default firmware shipped with most routers. -dc Josh More wrote: > Just a reminder that the LUG are meeting tonight. > > The topic is networking and we may have a speaker (there's a schedule > conflict that he's trying to work out). > > I had postponed this announcement until I knew what the weather was > going to be like. Though yesterday was bad and tomorrow looks bad, > tonight should be fine. The roads were OK coming in and should be even > better by this evening. > > So come on by and we can talk about interesting Linux networking issues. > > > > -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC > morej@alliancetechnologies.net > 515-245-7701 > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > From dchampion at visionary.com Wed Dec 17 15:27:26 2008 From: dchampion at visionary.com (David Champion) Date: Wed Dec 17 15:27:56 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Meeting Reminder: Tonight In-Reply-To: <49495AF2.5000508@visionary.com> References: <4948DC080200002E0002E283@alliancetechnologies.net> <49495AF2.5000508@visionary.com> Message-ID: <49496EBE.1080106@visionary.com> FYI: any of you that may have the newer Linksys WRT54G2 router (the small black wedge with no external antenna), looks like they have dd-wrt working on it now: http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Linksys_WRT54G2 I'd try it on the G2 I bought a while back, but it's getting ready to go on a trip to India. (Sadly, I'm not going with it). -dc David Champion wrote: > Don't know if anyone's interested, but I happen to have my Linksys > WRT54GL with dd-wrt installed on it with me today, we could poke > around on that for a bit. I'm far from an expert with dd-wrt... I > installed it about a month ago and that's about it. But I know there > are a few of you that use it. From what I've seen so far, it's way > more flexible than the default firmware shipped with most routers. > > -dc > > Josh More wrote: >> Just a reminder that the LUG are meeting tonight. >> >> The topic is networking and we may have a speaker (there's a schedule >> conflict that he's trying to work out). >> >> I had postponed this announcement until I knew what the weather was >> going to be like. Though yesterday was bad and tomorrow looks bad, >> tonight should be fine. The roads were OK coming in and should be even >> better by this evening. >> >> So come on by and we can talk about interesting Linux networking issues. >> >> >> >> -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej@alliancetechnologies.net >> 515-245-7701 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From matthew.nuzum at canonical.com Wed Dec 17 19:56:38 2008 From: matthew.nuzum at canonical.com (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Wed Dec 17 19:57:06 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Meeting Reminder: Tonight In-Reply-To: <49496EBE.1080106@visionary.com> References: <4948DC080200002E0002E283@alliancetechnologies.net> <49495AF2.5000508@visionary.com> <49496EBE.1080106@visionary.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 3:27 PM, David Champion wrote: > FYI: any of you that may have the newer Linksys WRT54G2 router (the small > black wedge with no external antenna), looks like they have dd-wrt working > on it now: > > http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Linksys_WRT54G2 > > I'd try it on the G2 I bought a while back, but it's getting ready to go on > a trip to India. (Sadly, I'm not going with it). Hopefully your job isn't going with it. (sorry if that's off colour, had to say it...) -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin and twitter From dchampion at visionary.com Thu Dec 18 01:04:58 2008 From: dchampion at visionary.com (David Champion) Date: Thu Dec 18 01:05:12 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Meeting Reminder: Tonight In-Reply-To: References: <4948DC080200002E0002E283@alliancetechnologies.net> <49495AF2.5000508@visionary.com> <49496EBE.1080106@visionary.com> Message-ID: <4949F61A.4080006@visionary.com> Matthew Nuzum wrote: > On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 3:27 PM, David Champion wrote: > >> FYI: any of you that may have the newer Linksys WRT54G2 router (the small >> black wedge with no external antenna), looks like they have dd-wrt working >> on it now: >> >> http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Linksys_WRT54G2 >> >> I'd try it on the G2 I bought a while back, but it's getting ready to go on >> a trip to India. (Sadly, I'm not going with it). >> > > Hopefully your job isn't going with it. > > (sorry if that's off colour, had to say it...) > > Nah, not that I know of. Just my friend Sanjay, who's going to visit family. Some day I'm going to tag along with them. :) -dc From dchampion at visionary.com Sat Dec 20 06:58:44 2008 From: dchampion at visionary.com (David Champion) Date: Sat Dec 20 10:59:03 2008 Subject: [Cialug] VirtualBox 2.1 with hardware OpenGL acceleration Message-ID: <494CEC04.4080406@visionary.com> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjkzOA -dc From newz at bearfruit.org Sat Dec 20 12:51:02 2008 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Sat Dec 20 12:51:26 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Fwd: Firefox flash plugin vulnerability In-Reply-To: <20081220143955.GI7478@jwsdot.com> References: <20081218223026.GH9217@outflux.net> <5AC8B481-A77F-408D-B458-BFF07FB5340C@canonical.com> <20081218234232.GI9217@outflux.net> <80424231-F7B7-49E9-8566-10612EEB9DB2@canonical.com> <20081220003220.GB7478@jwsdot.com> <4E3EEAEC-8046-4CEA-8916-2F4739F6C204@canonical.com> <20081220143955.GI7478@jwsdot.com> Message-ID: In case you haven't heard, there is a serious flash vulnerability so you should be upgrading. However I was talking to some people at work about the difficulty in applying the fix due to the varied number of ways to install (and therefore locations and file permissions of the plugin). The firefox maintainer suggested this configuration for those who use Ubuntu. Basically it's a way to use the free gnash/gpl plugin and effortlessly switch to the adobe version on sites that don't work with gnash. Doing this allows you to better test and use the free software plugin. Quite clever, though I've no clue if this works on non-ubuntu distros since aiui it's a feature of the ubufox plugin (and for various reasons I only use Ubuntu). By the way, go to about:plugins or http://www.macromedia.com/software/flash/about/ to see what version of flash you have installed. Go to http://secunia.com/Advisories/33221/ for the original information about the problem. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin and twitter ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Alexander Sack Date: Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 8:39 AM Subject: Re: Firefox flash plugin vulnerability To: Barry Warsaw On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 07:40:26PM -0500, Barry Warsaw wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Dec 19, 2008, at 7:32 PM, Alexander Sack wrote: > > > With this kind of setup - given you have ubufox installed - you should > > be able to switch plugins through the Tools -> Manage Content Plug-ins > > dialog when visiting a flash website. Give it a try ;). > > Well, *that* was easy! :) > > Thanks, that's pretty cool. My advice is to have the following setup: + install adobe flashplugin + mozilla-plugin-gnash + use gnash by default + if you run in a site that doesnt work good enough with gnash switch to adobe using the way i described above. swfdec is a free alternative, but it has some performance issues as it tries to use X accelleration and hence I wouldnt advice users to use it until its fixed (most likely in X/cairo). - Alexander From matthew.nuzum at canonical.com Sat Dec 20 13:34:12 2008 From: matthew.nuzum at canonical.com (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Sat Dec 20 13:34:34 2008 Subject: [Cialug] VirtualBox 2.1 with hardware OpenGL acceleration In-Reply-To: <494CEC04.4080406@visionary.com> References: <494CEC04.4080406@visionary.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 6:58 AM, David Champion wrote: > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjkzOA > I installed it a couple days ago and enabled the acceleration for my XP guest but I have no idea how to test it. Anyone able to use it and report on what changes? -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin and twitter From doncady at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 14:13:20 2008 From: doncady at gmail.com (Don Cady) Date: Sat Dec 20 14:13:44 2008 Subject: [Cialug] VirtualBox 2.1 with hardware OpenGL acceleration In-Reply-To: References: <494CEC04.4080406@visionary.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Matthew Nuzum wrote: > On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 6:58 AM, David Champion wrote: >> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjkzOA >> > > I installed it a couple days ago and enabled the acceleration for my > XP guest but I have no idea how to test it. Anyone able to use it and > report on what changes? > > -- > Matthew Nuzum > newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin and twitter No, but you should be able to via the OpenGL transitions in Impress, Tremulus, or one of the 'Really Slick Screensavers'. Don From newz at bearfruit.org Mon Dec 22 15:59:08 2008 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Mon Dec 22 15:59:35 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Window manager for servers Message-ID: Recently I started an internal discussion at work about SSH connections that can survive when your laptop is suspended and resumed, possibly on a new network. Of course the discussion drifted towards `screen` a console based window manager that has this capability. I've often found screen to be limited and interfered with the way I worked, but apparently it is very flexible. Recently work has been done to create a set of installable (and for the next Ubuntu Server version, built in) screen configuration profiles. Some quite sophisticated, providing a console based window manager. See some details at http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2008/12/ubuntu-server-includes-window-manager.html A few things that interest me about this are that it helps you keep track of what server you're on, it even shows an icon for the distro (debian, ubuntu and fedora supported) and version number, a list of colored tabs at the bottom for open sessions and even some system information. I do a lot of work using SSH and I know many of you do too so thought you might find this interesting and useful. Looks like a work in progress. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin and twitter From dchampion at visionary.com Tue Dec 23 15:03:28 2008 From: dchampion at visionary.com (David Champion) Date: Tue Dec 23 15:03:53 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Window manager for servers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49515220.3070407@visionary.com> Looks interesting, I may have to see about using the "tabs" function they've added. You can get that info by hitting ctrl-a " ... to show all of the screens inside your session. I pretty much always use screen when I'm going to do anything more complicated than a few 1-liners in an ssh session. I usually have a bunch of things like an IM, email client etc. running in screen. Also handy if you were going to download a completely legal file via bittorrent (that doesn't involve singing and dancing high-school students) using the bt curses client. ;) I've also set up init scripts on some servers to run things in a screen session, so I can connect to them later - i.e. a folding@home session, or running a dedicated game server you need to get on the console sometimes to run commands. It does seem like black magic, until you get the hang of it.. once you get used to using screen all of the time, you feel naked being at a console without it. -dc Matthew Nuzum wrote: > Recently I started an internal discussion at work about SSH > connections that can survive when your laptop is suspended and > resumed, possibly on a new network. Of course the discussion drifted > towards `screen` a console based window manager that has this > capability. > > I've often found screen to be limited and interfered with the way I > worked, but apparently it is very flexible. Recently work has been > done to create a set of installable (and for the next Ubuntu Server > version, built in) screen configuration profiles. Some quite > sophisticated, providing a console based window manager. > > See some details at > http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2008/12/ubuntu-server-includes-window-manager.html > > A few things that interest me about this are that it helps you keep > track of what server you're on, it even shows an icon for the distro > (debian, ubuntu and fedora supported) and version number, a list of > colored tabs at the bottom for open sessions and even some system > information. > > I do a lot of work using SSH and I know many of you do too so thought > you might find this interesting and useful. Looks like a work in > progress. > > From newz at bearfruit.org Tue Dec 23 15:10:50 2008 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Tue Dec 23 15:11:14 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Window manager for servers In-Reply-To: <49515220.3070407@visionary.com> References: <49515220.3070407@visionary.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 3:03 PM, David Champion wrote: > I pretty much always use screen when I'm going to do anything more > complicated than a few 1-liners in an ssh session. So you start screen manually when you want to use it? ssh hostname screen or ssh hostname screen I've heard some chatter about pros and cons of having screen start automatically in various ways. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin and twitter From chapinjeff at gmail.com Tue Dec 23 15:11:05 2008 From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin) Date: Tue Dec 23 15:15:42 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Window manager for servers In-Reply-To: References: <49515220.3070407@visionary.com> Message-ID: <495153E9.2070008@gmail.com> I typically use 'screen -x', since I am never disconnecting, or killing my old sessions. I just lock the PC and walk a way, or (on more secure servers) I disconnect from the server. I enjoy having the screen -x in my bashrc, but that is a personal preference. Again, on my more secure computers I avoid that, simply to remind myself where I am and what I am doing, as well as to avoid giving anyone that did manage to compromise my account a 'freebie'. Jeff Matthew Nuzum wrote: > On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 3:03 PM, David Champion wrote: > >> I pretty much always use screen when I'm going to do anything more >> complicated than a few 1-liners in an ssh session. >> > > So you start screen manually when you want to use it? > > ssh hostname > screen > > or ssh hostname screen > > I've heard some chatter about pros and cons of having screen start > automatically in various ways. > From david at bierce.org Tue Dec 23 15:17:35 2008 From: david at bierce.org (David Bierce) Date: Tue Dec 23 15:18:01 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Windows SSH Program In-Reply-To: <49515220.3070407@visionary.com> References: <49515220.3070407@visionary.com> Message-ID: Being a linux list, I'm assuming people here know what this SSH thing is. I usually use OS X terminal for my SSH Virtual terminal needs. I can hop to linux and use the linux terminals with little issue. However, using Putty on windows drives me bonkers with the text handling, the limited scroll back, console size and resizing. Is there an SSH program that people use other than Putty or Cygwin+SSH that people use? Dave From dchampion at visionary.com Tue Dec 23 15:18:18 2008 From: dchampion at visionary.com (David Champion) Date: Tue Dec 23 15:18:40 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Window manager for servers In-Reply-To: References: <49515220.3070407@visionary.com> Message-ID: <4951559A.8080403@visionary.com> Matthew Nuzum wrote: > On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 3:03 PM, David Champion wrote: > >> I pretty much always use screen when I'm going to do anything more >> complicated than a few 1-liners in an ssh session. >> > > So you start screen manually when you want to use it? > > ssh hostname > screen > > or ssh hostname screen > > I've heard some chatter about pros and cons of having screen start > automatically in various ways. > I generally start it manually, with the exception of the cases I mentioned where I'm starting it from the init scripts. -dc From matthew at lechleider.com Tue Dec 23 15:22:24 2008 From: matthew at lechleider.com (Matthew Lechleider) Date: Tue Dec 23 15:22:52 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Windows SSH Program In-Reply-To: References: <49515220.3070407@visionary.com> Message-ID: <49515690.5050404@lechleider.com> You can change those options in Putty. Another awesome terminal client for windows is SecureCRT, but it costs money. I know Hyper terminal (comes with Windows) can do Telnet....can it do SSH? David Bierce wrote: > Being a linux list, I'm assuming people here know what this SSH thing is. > > I usually use OS X terminal for my SSH Virtual terminal needs. I can > hop to linux and use the linux terminals with little issue. However, > using Putty on windows drives me bonkers with the text handling, the > limited scroll back, console size and resizing. Is there an SSH > program that people use other than Putty or Cygwin+SSH that people use? > > Dave > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From dchampion at visionary.com Tue Dec 23 15:47:44 2008 From: dchampion at visionary.com (David Champion) Date: Tue Dec 23 15:48:03 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Windows SSH Program In-Reply-To: <49515690.5050404@lechleider.com> References: <49515220.3070407@visionary.com> <49515690.5050404@lechleider.com> Message-ID: <49515C80.6010202@visionary.com> I've often found myself wanting my Linux term to work like Putty - for instance I like the way putty does the right-click for paste. (which isn't an option for most Mac users who only have one mouse button). There is a version of Putty for Linux - it's available in my Mandriva repos, YMMV for other distros. But I usually just use Konsole. -dc Matthew Lechleider wrote: > You can change those options in Putty. > > > Another awesome terminal client for windows is SecureCRT, but it costs > money. > > I know Hyper terminal (comes with Windows) can do Telnet....can it do > SSH? > > > David Bierce wrote: >> Being a linux list, I'm assuming people here know what this SSH thing >> is. >> >> I usually use OS X terminal for my SSH Virtual terminal needs. I can >> hop to linux and use the linux terminals with little issue. However, >> using Putty on windows drives me bonkers with the text handling, the >> limited scroll back, console size and resizing. Is there an SSH >> program that people use other than Putty or Cygwin+SSH that people use? >> >> Dave >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From nathanism at gmail.com Tue Dec 23 16:14:14 2008 From: nathanism at gmail.com (Nathan Stien) Date: Tue Dec 23 16:14:39 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Windows SSH Program In-Reply-To: References: <49515220.3070407@visionary.com> Message-ID: <8b490d600812231414p43dce6d5p4cce98ebade1876e@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 3:17 PM, David Bierce wrote: > Is there an SSH program that people use other than Putty or Cygwin+SSH that > people use? I don't think ssh is your problem; you just need a good terminal emulator, and you can use cygwin/ssh underneath it. You might look at console2, which I have used with cygwin/ssh many times when forced to deal with windows. http://sourceforge.net/projects/console - Nathan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20081223/f04aea5a/attachment.html From ka_klick at mac.com Tue Dec 23 16:25:50 2008 From: ka_klick at mac.com (Bryan Baker) Date: Tue Dec 23 16:26:31 2008 Subject: OT - One button rant - was Re: [Cialug] Windows SSH Program In-Reply-To: <49515C80.6010202@visionary.com> References: <49515220.3070407@visionary.com> <49515690.5050404@lechleider.com> <49515C80.6010202@visionary.com> Message-ID: I know you're just trolling w. that, but Apple hasn't shipped a 1 button mouse itself in a couple years - I'd still rather use a Logitech anyway, but to say that isn't an option... From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Mighty_Mouse : The Apple Mighty Mouse is a multi-button USB or Bluetooth mouse manufactured and sold by Apple Inc. == snip == ? On August 2, 2005, Apple introduced Mighty Mouse, at the suggested retail price of $49 US[3]. ? On 12 October 2005, Apple began shipping a Mighty Mouse with every iMac, and on 19 October 2005, with the PowerMac G5 line as well. === EOQ === Right click has been useful on a Mac for as long as I remember using a USB mouse, certainly since OSX was released I know you just wanted to see if I was still alive out here... I like Putty OK, but I definitely prefer just plain ssh on either a Mac or X I do like that putty is small and easy to get onto a Widows box, though I like it better to not have to install anything extra. I especially like the current 10.5 version of Terminal which added tabbed windows - much nicer than keeping track of separate windows. On Dec 23, 2008, at 3:47 PM, David Champion wrote: > I've often found myself wanting my Linux term to work like Putty - > for instance I like the way putty does the right-click for paste. > (which isn't an option for most Mac users who only have one mouse > button). > > There is a version of Putty for Linux - it's available in my > Mandriva repos, YMMV for other distros. But I usually just use > Konsole. > > -dc > > Matthew Lechleider wrote: >> You can change those options in Putty. >> >> >> Another awesome terminal client for windows is SecureCRT, but it >> costs money. >> >> I know Hyper terminal (comes with Windows) can do Telnet....can it >> do SSH? >> >> >> David Bierce wrote: >>> Being a linux list, I'm assuming people here know what this SSH >>> thing is. >>> >>> I usually use OS X terminal for my SSH Virtual terminal needs. I >>> can hop to linux and use the linux terminals with little issue. >>> However, using Putty on windows drives me bonkers with the text >>> handling, the limited scroll back, console size and resizing. Is >>> there an SSH program that people use other than Putty or Cygwin >>> +SSH that people use? >>> >>> Dave >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Cialug mailing list >>> Cialug@cialug.org >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -- Bryan "ka-klick" Baker Singer/Songwriter ka-klick@ka-klick.com http://ka-klick.com http://twitter.com/ka_klick <-- Twitter Feed From zach at kotlarek.com Tue Dec 23 16:43:18 2008 From: zach at kotlarek.com (Zachary Kotlarek) Date: Tue Dec 23 16:43:44 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Windows SSH Program In-Reply-To: <49515C80.6010202@visionary.com> References: <49515220.3070407@visionary.com> <49515690.5050404@lechleider.com> <49515C80.6010202@visionary.com> Message-ID: <05C8AED9-65D3-49BC-921A-B43E1DCD72F9@kotlarek.com> On Dec 23, 2008, at 3:47 PM, David Champion wrote: > I've often found myself wanting my Linux term to work like Putty - > for instance I like the way putty does the right-click for paste. > (which isn't an option for most Mac users who only have one mouse > button). As a mac user with a 4-button trackball I've never understood why you would want to use your mouse to copy and paste text -- I have a keyboard for things like that. Of course on a Mac I get to use cmd-C to copy and ctrl-C to SIGINT; if my OS confused control signals with menu shortcuts I might try to type with my mouse too. For all the stupid uses of keyboard and mouse buttons Apple has pulled off over the years -- do I really need an "eject" key? and if I do, can't it at least eject whatever I have selected, instead of only working with the built-in drive? -- at least they kept enough modifier keys. Zach -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Using the linux terminals doing a ctrl+shift+t to get a new terminal or ctrl+shift+c to copy is an excessive use of my delicate pinky. Dave On Dec 23, 2008, at 3:47 PM, David Champion wrote: > I've often found myself wanting my Linux term to work like Putty - > for instance I like the way putty does the right-click for paste. > (which isn't an option for most Mac users who only have one mouse > button). > > There is a version of Putty for Linux - it's available in my > Mandriva repos, YMMV for other distros. But I usually just use > Konsole. > > -dc > > Matthew Lechleider wrote: >> You can change those options in Putty. >> >> >> Another awesome terminal client for windows is SecureCRT, but it >> costs money. >> >> I know Hyper terminal (comes with Windows) can do Telnet....can it >> do SSH? >> >> >> David Bierce wrote: >>> Being a linux list, I'm assuming people here know what this SSH >>> thing is. >>> >>> I usually use OS X terminal for my SSH Virtual terminal needs. I >>> can hop to linux and use the linux terminals with little issue. >>> However, using Putty on windows drives me bonkers with the text >>> handling, the limited scroll back, console size and resizing. Is >>> there an SSH program that people use other than Putty or Cygwin >>> +SSH that people use? >>> >>> Dave >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Cialug mailing list >>> Cialug@cialug.org >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20081223/10d328fd/attachment.html From matthew at lechleider.com Tue Dec 23 17:00:55 2008 From: matthew at lechleider.com (Matthew Lechleider) Date: Tue Dec 23 17:01:22 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Windows SSH Program In-Reply-To: References: <49515220.3070407@visionary.com> <49515690.5050404@lechleider.com> <49515C80.6010202@visionary.com> Message-ID: <49516DA7.5080709@lechleider.com> Doesn't anybody shift+insert these days?? David Bierce wrote: > That's one features that drives me bonkers. I'm usually copy and > pasting between terminals and not in the same one. Also, if I'm > copying a command that I was to clean up first, be sure not to get a > newline when you right click or you've just executed a command. > > Command+{C,V} or Mouse button 4 and 5 are copy and paste :) > > I guess I mainly like the modifier key that lets me perform > local application functions with two keys, while still being able to > perform remote terminal functions using ctrl. Using the linux > terminals doing a ctrl+shift+t to get a new terminal or ctrl+shift+c > to copy is an excessive use of my delicate pinky. > > > Dave > > On Dec 23, 2008, at 3:47 PM, David Champion wrote: > >> I've often found myself wanting my Linux term to work like Putty - >> for instance I like the way putty does the right-click for paste. >> (which isn't an option for most Mac users who only have one mouse >> button). >> >> There is a version of Putty for Linux - it's available in my Mandriva >> repos, YMMV for other distros. But I usually just use Konsole. >> >> -dc >> >> Matthew Lechleider wrote: >>> You can change those options in Putty. >>> >>> >>> Another awesome terminal client for windows is SecureCRT, but it >>> costs money. >>> >>> I know Hyper terminal (comes with Windows) can do Telnet....can it >>> do SSH? >>> >>> >>> David Bierce wrote: >>>> Being a linux list, I'm assuming people here know what this SSH >>>> thing is. >>>> >>>> I usually use OS X terminal for my SSH Virtual terminal needs. I >>>> can hop to linux and use the linux terminals with little issue. >>>> However, using Putty on windows drives me bonkers with the text >>>> handling, the limited scroll back, console size and resizing. Is >>>> there an SSH program that people use other than Putty or Cygwin+SSH >>>> that people use? >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Cialug mailing list >>>> Cialug@cialug.org >>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Cialug mailing list >>> Cialug@cialug.org >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From eric at eric.nu Tue Dec 23 20:48:54 2008 From: eric at eric.nu (Eric Junker) Date: Tue Dec 23 20:49:26 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Window manager for servers In-Reply-To: <49515220.3070407@visionary.com> References: <49515220.3070407@visionary.com> Message-ID: <4951A316.3020108@eric.nu> David Champion wrote: > Looks interesting, I may have to see about using the "tabs" function > they've added. You can get that info by hitting > > ctrl-a " > > ... to show all of the screens inside your session. You can also add these lines to your .screenrc and it will show a list of screen windows at the botton of the screen. hardstatus alwayslastline hardstatus string '%{= kG}[ %{G}%H %{g}][%= %{=kw}%?%-Lw%?%{r}(%{W}%n*%f%t%?(%u)%?%{r})%{w}%?%+Lw%?%?%= %{g}][%{B}%Y-%m-%d %{W}%c %{g}]' The second hardstatus entry should be all on one line. Eric From kristau at gmail.com Tue Dec 23 21:51:21 2008 From: kristau at gmail.com (kristau) Date: Tue Dec 23 21:51:46 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Window manager for servers In-Reply-To: <4951A316.3020108@eric.nu> References: <49515220.3070407@visionary.com> <4951A316.3020108@eric.nu> Message-ID: <3effba680812231951i5e6eaa17k118c23f3009dbd36@mail.gmail.com> I played around with an ultra-light window manager called ratpoison awhile back. It uses a very screen-like command structure to manage the windows. Zero window dressing. All window management was performed by key combinations. Hardly any resource usage, so it would be good as a minimal wm for servers where you need some GUI tools but don't want a lot of overhead. -- Tired programmer Coding late into the night The core dump follows My GNUPG public key is available at http://www.kristau.net/public_key.asc From icepuck2k at mchsi.com Thu Dec 25 19:43:47 2008 From: icepuck2k at mchsi.com (Dan Hockey) Date: Thu Dec 25 19:44:36 2008 Subject: [Cialug] DLNA servers In-Reply-To: <3effba680812231951i5e6eaa17k118c23f3009dbd36@mail.gmail.com> References: <49515220.3070407@visionary.com> <4951A316.3020108@eric.nu> <3effba680812231951i5e6eaa17k118c23f3009dbd36@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Does anyone know of a DLNA media server for mandriva? To feed a ps3. -dh From david at bierce.org Thu Dec 25 20:08:14 2008 From: david at bierce.org (David Bierce) Date: Thu Dec 25 20:08:39 2008 Subject: [Cialug] DLNA servers In-Reply-To: References: <49515220.3070407@visionary.com> <4951A316.3020108@eric.nu> <3effba680812231951i5e6eaa17k118c23f3009dbd36@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <59359BBC-6C42-4E7A-8C7E-B7A23A5709AE@bierce.org> I use MediaTomb www.mediatomb.cc for Video, Pictures and Audio. I wouldn't call it user friendly to setup. But very handy and allows nice things like live transcoding, thumbnails and different file handling based on file type. There are a few torrent clients that have a server buildin like Vuze/Azureus. Dave On Dec 25, 2008, at 7:43 PM, Dan Hockey wrote: > Does anyone know of a DLNA media server for mandriva? To feed a ps3. > -dh > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20081225/c948aac0/attachment.htm From dchampion at visionary.com Fri Dec 26 08:41:14 2008 From: dchampion at visionary.com (David Champion) Date: Fri Dec 26 08:41:18 2008 Subject: [Cialug] DLNA servers In-Reply-To: References: <49515220.3070407@visionary.com> <4951A316.3020108@eric.nu> <3effba680812231951i5e6eaa17k118c23f3009dbd36@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4954ED0A.1030803@visionary.com> I've tried a few of them, I agree with David B. that Mediatomb works pretty well. If you search the lug archives you may find a thread I had on this subject a while back. -dc Dan Hockey wrote: > Does anyone know of a DLNA media server for mandriva? To feed a ps3. > -dh > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From icepuck2k at mchsi.com Fri Dec 26 15:02:25 2008 From: icepuck2k at mchsi.com (Dan Hockey) Date: Fri Dec 26 15:02:53 2008 Subject: [Cialug] OT newegg sale In-Reply-To: <4954ED0A.1030803@visionary.com> References: <49515220.3070407@visionary.com> <4951A316.3020108@eric.nu> <3effba680812231951i5e6eaa17k118c23f3009dbd36@mail.gmail.com> <4954ED0A.1030803@visionary.com> Message-ID: I was looking at this as an upgrade for my satellite A105 How are they(newegg) to deal with. -dh http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152111 From tim_linux at wilson-home.com Fri Dec 26 15:16:16 2008 From: tim_linux at wilson-home.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Fri Dec 26 15:16:40 2008 Subject: [Cialug] OT newegg sale In-Reply-To: References: <49515220.3070407@visionary.com> <4951A316.3020108@eric.nu> <3effba680812231951i5e6eaa17k118c23f3009dbd36@mail.gmail.com> <4954ED0A.1030803@visionary.com> Message-ID: <5a9568c20812261316k65cb0720w76fda52db29bccf7@mail.gmail.com> I've bought from Newegg before, and have had great luck with them. I've never had anything wrong with what I've bought. One guy at work did have a problem, he thought since his motherboard was a Socket A, he could buy any Socket A processor. Evidently, the processor didn't work in his motherboard. They issued him an RMA, but he never used it. On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Dan Hockey wrote: > I was looking at this as an upgrade for my satellite A105 > How are they(newegg) to deal with. > -dh > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152111 > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -- Tim From matthew at lechleider.com Fri Dec 26 15:20:02 2008 From: matthew at lechleider.com (Matthew Lechleider) Date: Fri Dec 26 15:20:29 2008 Subject: [Cialug] OT newegg sale In-Reply-To: <5a9568c20812261316k65cb0720w76fda52db29bccf7@mail.gmail.com> References: <49515220.3070407@visionary.com> <4951A316.3020108@eric.nu> <3effba680812231951i5e6eaa17k118c23f3009dbd36@mail.gmail.com> <4954ED0A.1030803@visionary.com> <5a9568c20812261316k65cb0720w76fda52db29bccf7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49554A82.4060602@lechleider.com> I have been a big advocate of New Egg for years. I always compare my bargain sales to New Egg. Plus the standard shipping is always fast. Tim Wilson wrote: > I've bought from Newegg before, and have had great luck with them. > I've never had anything wrong with what I've bought. One guy at work > did have a problem, he thought since his motherboard was a Socket A, > he could buy any Socket A processor. Evidently, the processor didn't > work in his motherboard. They issued him an RMA, but he never used > it. > > On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Dan Hockey wrote: > >> I was looking at this as an upgrade for my satellite A105 >> How are they(newegg) to deal with. >> -dh >> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152111 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> >> > > > > From jeff at ocjtech.us Fri Dec 26 15:21:58 2008 From: jeff at ocjtech.us (Jeffrey Ollie) Date: Fri Dec 26 15:22:22 2008 Subject: [Cialug] OT newegg sale In-Reply-To: References: <49515220.3070407@visionary.com> <4951A316.3020108@eric.nu> <3effba680812231951i5e6eaa17k118c23f3009dbd36@mail.gmail.com> <4954ED0A.1030803@visionary.com> Message-ID: <935ead450812261321h3a0d622cra5db9478b050b224@mail.gmail.com> I haven't ordered a lot from NewEgg but when I have I've been satisfied with their service. Next time I have cash for computer gear NewEgg will be one of the top sites I'll be checking out. On 12/26/08, Dan Hockey wrote: > I was looking at this as an upgrade for my satellite A105 > How are they(newegg) to deal with. > -dh > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152111 > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -- Sent from my mobile device Jeff Ollie "You know, I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair. Then I thought, wouldn't it be much worse if life were fair, and all the terrible things that happen to us come because we actually deserve them? So, now I take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the universe." -- Marcus to Franklin in Babylon 5: "A Late Delivery from Avalon" From newz at bearfruit.org Fri Dec 26 16:58:00 2008 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Fri Dec 26 16:58:24 2008 Subject: [Cialug] OT newegg sale In-Reply-To: References: <49515220.3070407@visionary.com> <4951A316.3020108@eric.nu> <3effba680812231951i5e6eaa17k118c23f3009dbd36@mail.gmail.com> <4954ED0A.1030803@visionary.com> Message-ID: I like them but their return policy sometimes has a restocking fee of 15% even on unopened items. I bought a hard drive, found out (w/out opening it) that it was the wrong one (I had no idea there were hard drives smaller than the common 2.5" size). They issued an RMA but the 15% restocking fee + the return shipping + not getting a refund on the shipping I paid to get it to me made it a poor deal. I sold it on craigs list at a loss but it was better than the deal from new egg. On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Dan Hockey wrote: > I was looking at this as an upgrade for my satellite A105 > How are they(newegg) to deal with. > -dh > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152111 > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin and twitter From aaron.jensen at mac.com Fri Dec 26 17:47:20 2008 From: aaron.jensen at mac.com (Aaron Jensen) Date: Fri Dec 26 17:51:23 2008 Subject: [Cialug] OT newegg sale In-Reply-To: References: <49515220.3070407@visionary.com> <4951A316.3020108@eric.nu> <3effba680812231951i5e6eaa17k118c23f3009dbd36@mail.gmail.com> <4954ED0A.1030803@visionary.com> Message-ID: I purchase almost exclusively from Newegg for my computer needs and really have no complaints. The prices are competitive and the processing/shipping is very fast. Aaron Sent from my iPhone On Dec 26, 2008, at 3:02 PM, Dan Hockey wrote: > I was looking at this as an upgrade for my satellite A105 > How are they(newegg) to deal with. > -dh > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152111 > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From icepuck2k at mchsi.com Fri Dec 26 18:48:02 2008 From: icepuck2k at mchsi.com (Dan Hockey) Date: Fri Dec 26 18:48:36 2008 Subject: [Cialug] OT newegg sale In-Reply-To: References: <49515220.3070407@visionary.com> <4951A316.3020108@eric.nu><3effba680812231951i5e6eaa17k118c23f3009dbd36@mail.gmail.com><4954ED0A.1030803@visionary.com> Message-ID: <926256ACDA8E46909DE591C215850CAB@toshibauser> After the positive responses I did some more checking and found they had a 30day return and free 3 day shipping, so I guess I'll find out in a few days how things turn out. -dh -----Original Message----- From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Jensen Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 5:47 PM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] OT newegg sale I purchase almost exclusively from Newegg for my computer needs and really have no complaints. The prices are competitive and the processing/shipping is very fast. Aaron Sent from my iPhone On Dec 26, 2008, at 3:02 PM, Dan Hockey wrote: > I was looking at this as an upgrade for my satellite A105 > How are they(newegg) to deal with. > -dh > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152111 > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From icepuck2k at mchsi.com Fri Dec 26 21:51:01 2008 From: icepuck2k at mchsi.com (Dan Hockey) Date: Fri Dec 26 21:51:39 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Mediatomb In-Reply-To: <926256ACDA8E46909DE591C215850CAB@toshibauser> References: <49515220.3070407@visionary.com><4951A316.3020108@eric.nu><3effba680812231951i5e6eaa17k118c23f3009dbd36@mail.gmail.com><4954ED0A.1030803@visionary.com> <926256ACDA8E46909DE591C215850CAB@toshibauser> Message-ID: I finally got it to work! It doesn't play *.MOV files though. -dh From crouse at usalug.net Sat Dec 27 20:19:36 2008 From: crouse at usalug.net (Dave Crouse) Date: Sat Dec 27 20:20:00 2008 Subject: [Cialug] OT newegg sale In-Reply-To: <926256ACDA8E46909DE591C215850CAB@toshibauser> References: <49515220.3070407@visionary.com> <4951A316.3020108@eric.nu> <3effba680812231951i5e6eaa17k118c23f3009dbd36@mail.gmail.com> <4954ED0A.1030803@visionary.com> <926256ACDA8E46909DE591C215850CAB@toshibauser> Message-ID: Newegg is one of the best places to find deals on computer parts. I've been buying from them for years and have never had any issues. On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 6:48 PM, Dan Hockey wrote: > After the positive responses I did some more checking and found they had a > 30day return and free 3 day shipping, so I guess I'll find out in a few days > how things turn out. > -dh > > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf > Of Aaron Jensen > Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 5:47 PM > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Cialug] OT newegg sale > > I purchase almost exclusively from Newegg for my computer needs and > really have no complaints. The prices are competitive and the > processing/shipping is very fast. > > Aaron > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 26, 2008, at 3:02 PM, Dan Hockey wrote: > >> I was looking at this as an upgrade for my satellite A105 >> How are they(newegg) to deal with. >> -dh >> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152111 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From dchampion at visionary.com Mon Dec 29 13:30:56 2008 From: dchampion at visionary.com (David Champion) Date: Mon Dec 29 13:31:17 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Mediatomb In-Reply-To: References: <49515220.3070407@visionary.com><4951A316.3020108@eric.nu><3effba680812231951i5e6eaa17k118c23f3009dbd36@mail.gmail.com><4954ED0A.1030803@visionary.com> <926256ACDA8E46909DE591C215850CAB@toshibauser> Message-ID: <49592570.6050603@visionary.com> That's one of the downsides of using the PS3 as a media player - it doesn't support very many media formats. There are some format transcoders you can use, don't know if there's one for .mov files. -dc Dan Hockey wrote: > I finally got it to work! It doesn't play *.MOV files though. > -dh > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > From tim_linux at wilson-home.com Mon Dec 29 14:01:27 2008 From: tim_linux at wilson-home.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Dec 29 14:01:53 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Mediatomb In-Reply-To: <49592570.6050603@visionary.com> References: <4951A316.3020108@eric.nu> <3effba680812231951i5e6eaa17k118c23f3009dbd36@mail.gmail.com> <4954ED0A.1030803@visionary.com> <926256ACDA8E46909DE591C215850CAB@toshibauser> <49592570.6050603@visionary.com> Message-ID: <5a9568c20812291201g39cd28ffi28e218818a80a234@mail.gmail.com> Speaking of PS3, here's a couple Windows based apps that the PS3 sees as media servers: http://www.tversity.com/ http://www.themediamall.com/playon Note, the DirecTV DVRs also see these as media servers. On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 1:30 PM, David Champion wrote: > That's one of the downsides of using the PS3 as a media player - it doesn't > support very many media formats. There are some format transcoders you can > use, don't know if there's one for .mov files. > > -dc > > Dan Hockey wrote: >> >> I finally got it to work! It doesn't play *.MOV files though. >> -dh >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -- Tim From chapinjeff at gmail.com Mon Dec 29 23:10:52 2008 From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin) Date: Mon Dec 29 23:11:42 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Mediatomb In-Reply-To: References: <49515220.3070407@visionary.com><4951A316.3020108@eric.nu><3effba680812231951i5e6eaa17k118c23f3009dbd36@mail.gmail.com><4954ED0A.1030803@visionary.com> <926256ACDA8E46909DE591C215850CAB@toshibauser> Message-ID: <4959AD5C.4020407@gmail.com> I recently started playing with MediaTomb+PS3 -- did you get it to work so that it transcoded DIV3 files and not all divx? I have spent an evening trying to get that to work, and failed. Any advice would be nice. Currently I am trying to get ffmpegthumbnailer to install/compile on fedora 8, and to fix the annoying way they list files. Jeff Dan Hockey wrote: > I finally got it to work! It doesn't play *.MOV files though. > -dh > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From crouse at usalug.net Tue Dec 30 02:12:36 2008 From: crouse at usalug.net (Dave Crouse) Date: Tue Dec 30 02:13:01 2008 Subject: [Cialug] How many people are using Python ? Message-ID: How many people are using Python ? I'm "still" trying to learn it, guess I'm just slow ;) Didn't we have a "local" python user group in Des Moines at one time ??? I know about the one in Marshalltown, just thought at one time we had one in Des Moines. Dave From kula at tproa.net Tue Dec 30 05:25:41 2008 From: kula at tproa.net (Thomas Kula) Date: Tue Dec 30 05:26:11 2008 Subject: [Cialug] How many people are using Python ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081230112537.GR6883@mcketrick.tproa.net> On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 02:12:36AM -0600, Dave Crouse wrote: > How many people are using Python ? > I'm "still" trying to learn it, guess I'm just slow ;) > > Didn't we have a "local" python user group in Des Moines at one time > ??? I know about the one in Marshalltown, just thought at one time we > had one in Des Moines. I use it, mostly at home, although there is varied interest in it at work, and one of these days I'm going to get around to doing an hour course in it. -- Thomas L. Kula | kula@tproa.net | http://kula.tproa.net/ Mathom House in Midtown, The People's Republic of Ames From kyounger at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 08:42:15 2008 From: kyounger at gmail.com (Kenneth Younger) Date: Tue Dec 30 08:42:50 2008 Subject: [Cialug] How many people are using Python ? In-Reply-To: <20081230112537.GR6883@mcketrick.tproa.net> References: <20081230112537.GR6883@mcketrick.tproa.net> Message-ID: <3cf2fb6b0812300642t7439d14enedfb968fc2260526@mail.gmail.com> I have started to use Python a lot more. It is one of the best languages to script something with really quick. I have actually used it several times at clients because of it's ability to connect to practically anything. The DSM Webgeeks (http://www.dsmwebgeeks.com/) have a lot of folks who use Python, it might be worth checking that out if you're looking for local Python users. -Kenny On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 5:25 AM, Thomas Kula wrote: > On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 02:12:36AM -0600, Dave Crouse wrote: >> How many people are using Python ? >> I'm "still" trying to learn it, guess I'm just slow ;) >> >> Didn't we have a "local" python user group in Des Moines at one time >> ??? I know about the one in Marshalltown, just thought at one time we >> had one in Des Moines. > > > I use it, mostly at home, although there is varied interest > in it at work, and one of these days I'm going to get around > to doing an hour course in it. > > -- > Thomas L. Kula | kula@tproa.net | http://kula.tproa.net/ > Mathom House in Midtown, The People's Republic of Ames > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From krbailey at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 10:25:57 2008 From: krbailey at gmail.com (Kendall Bailey) Date: Tue Dec 30 10:26:24 2008 Subject: [Cialug] How many people are using Python ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 2:12 AM, Dave Crouse wrote: > How many people are using Python ? > I'm "still" trying to learn it, guess I'm just slow ;) > I use it as much as possible where I work. It's not really mainstream in the IT department, but it is there. I really enjoy it for the dev speed, simplicity and flexibility. Kendall From eric at eric.nu Tue Dec 30 10:36:08 2008 From: eric at eric.nu (Eric Junker) Date: Tue Dec 30 10:36:35 2008 Subject: [Cialug] How many people are using Python ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <495A4DF8.9060104@eric.nu> Dave Crouse wrote: > How many people are using Python ? > I'm "still" trying to learn it, guess I'm just slow ;) You might want to check out the free online book, Dive into Python http://diveintopython.org/ I have a print copy of the book and it is a pretty good introduction to Python. Eric From cmlburnett at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 10:39:10 2008 From: cmlburnett at gmail.com (Colin Burnett) Date: Tue Dec 30 10:39:34 2008 Subject: [Cialug] How many people are using Python ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 2:12 AM, Dave Crouse wrote: > How many people are using Python ? > I'm "still" trying to learn it, guess I'm just slow ;) If I write anything at home its in Python. I absolutely refuse to use PHP any more and I hate Ruby's syntax. (My eternal love is C so I'm not keen on Ruby's syntax nor its progenitors.) I write C#/F# at work so I've been interested in picking up Boo and IronPython. My biggest complaint about python is the documentation. Colin From tdwalton at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 10:56:49 2008 From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton) Date: Tue Dec 30 10:57:12 2008 Subject: [Cialug] How many people are using Python ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 2:12 AM, Dave Crouse wrote: > How many people are using Python ? http://effbot.org/pyfaq/how-many-people-are-using-python.htm -todd From cwfreeman at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 10:59:00 2008 From: cwfreeman at gmail.com (Chris Freeman) Date: Tue Dec 30 10:59:26 2008 Subject: [Cialug] How many people are using Python ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3afd8deb0812300859s3705eeaeye260dfd061afae42@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 10:39 AM, Colin Burnett wrote: > ... > > If I write anything at home its in Python. I absolutely refuse to use > PHP any more and I hate Ruby's syntax. (My eternal love is C so I'm > not keen on Ruby's syntax nor its progenitors.) I find it interesting to see someone from a C background interested in Python because I strongly associate Python with whitespace syntax and whitespace syntax with makefiles. And the biggest problems I've ever had with makefiles have always originated from screwing up the tabs/spaces. Most people counter with 'well, use a good IDE'. But for one-off projects, I'm more likely to use Vim, and I don't like to clutter my IDE with tab marks anyway. Besides, Perl does everything I need to get done, and does it well, so I've never successfully picked up any other similar languages. I've tried Ruby with a little success, and I've tried Scala and a few others. But if you've got enough tools in your tool chest, it's harder to learn new ones. Maybe I should brush off my Ruby book again... Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20081230/75a5cdfa/attachment.htm From jeff at ocjtech.us Tue Dec 30 11:02:08 2008 From: jeff at ocjtech.us (Jeffrey Ollie) Date: Tue Dec 30 11:02:31 2008 Subject: [Cialug] How many people are using Python ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <935ead450812300902i66f69a3fg3e2907fb70ed18f4@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 2:12 AM, Dave Crouse wrote: > How many people are using Python ? > I'm "still" trying to learn it, guess I'm just slow ;) > > Didn't we have a "local" python user group in Des Moines at one time > ??? I know about the one in Marshalltown, just thought at one time we > had one in Des Moines. I do quite a bit with python, although it's mostly scripting various administrative tasks. I'd love to get to the Python user group meetings in Marshalltown but I usually have conflicts (same with CIALUG meetings). -- Jeff Ollie "You know, I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair. Then I thought, wouldn't it be much worse if life were fair, and all the terrible things that happen to us come because we actually deserve them? So, now I take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the universe." -- Marcus to Franklin in Babylon 5: "A Late Delivery from Avalon" From jeff at ocjtech.us Tue Dec 30 11:03:46 2008 From: jeff at ocjtech.us (Jeffrey Ollie) Date: Tue Dec 30 11:04:10 2008 Subject: [Cialug] How many people are using Python ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <935ead450812300903k672b543er733ebadcd4b97339@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 10:39 AM, Colin Burnett wrote: > > My biggest complaint about python is the documentation. Really? I've always thought that the "core" documentation was pretty decent. I don't know if I'd call it "great" but I've seen worse. -- Jeff Ollie "You know, I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair. Then I thought, wouldn't it be much worse if life were fair, and all the terrible things that happen to us come because we actually deserve them? So, now I take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the universe." -- Marcus to Franklin in Babylon 5: "A Late Delivery from Avalon" From daniel.ramaley at drake.edu Tue Dec 30 11:23:21 2008 From: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu (Daniel A. Ramaley) Date: Tue Dec 30 11:23:45 2008 Subject: [Cialug] How many people are using Python ? In-Reply-To: <3afd8deb0812300859s3705eeaeye260dfd061afae42@mail.gmail.com> References: <3afd8deb0812300859s3705eeaeye260dfd061afae42@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200812301123.22002.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> On Tuesday December 30 2008 10:59, Chris Freeman wrote: >Besides, Perl does everything I need to get done, and does it well, so >I've never successfully picked up any other similar languages. >But if you've got enough tools in your tool chest, it's harder to learn >new ones. I'm in a similar situation. I've learned Perl so well that there is little incentive for me to learn PHP, Python, or Ruby. My Perl style changes over time though; lately more functional elements have been creeping into my code, so maybe it is finally time for me to go back and really learn Scheme. (Of the languages i was exposed to in college, Scheme was by far my favorite. Representing the other extreme were COBOL and Fortran. I look forward to never using either of those 2 again.) I'd really miss CPAN if i switch to another language though. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Ramaley Dial Center 118, Drake University Network Programmer/Analyst 2407 Carpenter Ave +1 515 271-4540 Des Moines IA 50311 USA From crouse at usalug.net Tue Dec 30 11:28:42 2008 From: crouse at usalug.net (Dave Crouse) Date: Tue Dec 30 11:29:05 2008 Subject: [Cialug] How many people are using Python ? In-Reply-To: <495A4DF8.9060104@eric.nu> References: <495A4DF8.9060104@eric.nu> Message-ID: Oh having books is NOT the problem, time, and something to practice on (a good project that someone new to python can work on) seem to be my major stumbling blocks. I hate asking "stupid" questions, and while I'm pretty good at bash, the OOP stuff in Python kicks me in the butt. I started a very small "user" group on my own website, but out of the 11 people that started with me, only 1 is very active at all. I actually did write a gui program using python, it's not superb, but it works. http://python.pastebin.com/f2e1354b5 A Byte of Python Swaroop C H www.byteofpython.info is a great online book to. But like I said, I have plenty of books ;) I was interested in how many "local" users in the group used Python, and if there had ever been any interest in a Des Moines python group lately ? Dave On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Eric Junker wrote: > Dave Crouse wrote: >> >> How many people are using Python ? >> I'm "still" trying to learn it, guess I'm just slow ;) > > You might want to check out the free online book, Dive into Python > http://diveintopython.org/ > > I have a print copy of the book and it is a pretty good introduction to > Python. > > Eric > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From cmlburnett at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 11:30:49 2008 From: cmlburnett at gmail.com (Colin Burnett) Date: Tue Dec 30 11:31:13 2008 Subject: [Cialug] How many people are using Python ? In-Reply-To: <3afd8deb0812300859s3705eeaeye260dfd061afae42@mail.gmail.com> References: <3afd8deb0812300859s3705eeaeye260dfd061afae42@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Chris Freeman wrote: > > I find it interesting to see someone from a C background interested in > Python because I strongly associate Python with whitespace syntax and > whitespace syntax with makefiles. And the biggest problems I've ever had > with makefiles have always originated from screwing up the tabs/spaces. Hah! I love C for the absolute control (C is just a pretty assembly language) and, I guess, I use Python by elimination for a scripting language. :) And I'd much rather write C# under mono than C++. (Let's see how many replies that gets!) > Most people counter with 'well, use a good IDE'. But for one-off projects, > I'm more likely to use Vim, and I don't like to clutter my IDE with tab > marks anyway. vim for life. > Besides, Perl does everything I need to get done, and does it well, so I've > never successfully picked up any other similar languages. I've tried Ruby > with a little success, and I've tried Scala and a few others. But if you've > got enough tools in your tool chest, it's harder to learn new ones. Maybe I > should brush off my Ruby book again... I go the other way. The more tools you know the easier new tools are to learn. Tools are a realization of a task and the more tools you know the better you are going to understand the task which means you don't need to learn the tools anymore: you just understand how to use them. I suppose the challenge is that once you get comfortable with the tools you know the less inclined you are to leave your "comfort zone." :) Colin From cmlburnett at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 11:43:24 2008 From: cmlburnett at gmail.com (Colin Burnett) Date: Tue Dec 30 11:43:48 2008 Subject: [Cialug] How many people are using Python ? In-Reply-To: <935ead450812300903k672b543er733ebadcd4b97339@mail.gmail.com> References: <935ead450812300903k672b543er733ebadcd4b97339@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: > On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 10:39 AM, Colin Burnett wrote: >> >> My biggest complaint about python is the documentation. > > Really? I've always thought that the "core" documentation was pretty > decent. I don't know if I'd call it "great" but I've seen worse. Two recent examples. 1) I wrote an amazon web service app that pulls down my wish list and maintains a price database for those items. I hit an issue where my socket was hanging but not timing out (it would hang for hours on end). Following the object types was impossible by the documentation so I had to dig into the source code to know what's really going on. Alas, I never found a way and wrapped it in a try-catch and retried on a ctrl-c. Sad. 2) I'm writing a simple template engine that uses xml.dom.minidom and I discovered that it would eat entity references (e.g., "—") and put nothing in the DOM but it would take numerical entities (e.g., "—") just fine. I still don't have an answer on that one nor how to put in literal text (try putting in "—" as a text node and you get "&mdash;" on the output). In fairness, I can't name a single example of "good" documentation. Probably [near] the top of the list is the C# docs at MSDN but that has blatant problems as well. Colin From zach at kotlarek.com Tue Dec 30 12:42:57 2008 From: zach at kotlarek.com (Zachary Kotlarek) Date: Tue Dec 30 12:43:25 2008 Subject: [Cialug] How many people are using Python ? In-Reply-To: References: <935ead450812300903k672b543er733ebadcd4b97339@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <38847955-7C48-4AD4-9DB5-74EBA8F6A374@kotlarek.com> On Dec 30, 2008, at 11:43 AM, Colin Burnett wrote: > 2) I'm writing a simple template engine that uses xml.dom.minidom and > I discovered that it would eat entity references (e.g., "—") and > put nothing in the DOM but it would take numerical entities (e.g., > "—") just fine. I still don't have an answer on that one nor > how to put in literal text (try putting in "—" as a text node > and you get "&mdash;" on the output). That's because XML doesn't define a character entity for mdash. While HTML defines 252 named character entities in XML you only get five predefined entities: quot amp apos lt gt If you want to use any other character entity it must be explicitly declared in the DTD; generally I find it easier just to use the numeric character reference. Zach -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2746 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20081230/8e710217/smime.bin From cmlburnett at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 12:51:55 2008 From: cmlburnett at gmail.com (Colin Burnett) Date: Tue Dec 30 12:52:19 2008 Subject: [Cialug] How many people are using Python ? In-Reply-To: <38847955-7C48-4AD4-9DB5-74EBA8F6A374@kotlarek.com> References: <935ead450812300903k672b543er733ebadcd4b97339@mail.gmail.com> <38847955-7C48-4AD4-9DB5-74EBA8F6A374@kotlarek.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Zachary Kotlarek wrote: > > That's because XML doesn't define a character entity for mdash. While HTML > defines 252 named character entities in XML you only get five predefined > entities: > quot > amp > apos > lt > gt > > If you want to use any other character entity it must be explicitly declared > in the DTD; generally I find it easier just to use the numeric character > reference. It's not a parsing issue. Use the XHTML strict DOCTYPE and it parses just fine. It literally eats them and puts nothing in the DOM. "foo—foo" becomes "foofoo". Colin From jeff at ocjtech.us Tue Dec 30 13:19:15 2008 From: jeff at ocjtech.us (Jeffrey Ollie) Date: Tue Dec 30 13:19:38 2008 Subject: [Cialug] How many people are using Python ? In-Reply-To: References: <935ead450812300903k672b543er733ebadcd4b97339@mail.gmail.com> <38847955-7C48-4AD4-9DB5-74EBA8F6A374@kotlarek.com> Message-ID: <935ead450812301119s313c6a3cl471a0e63024b6f9@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Colin Burnett wrote: > > It's not a parsing issue. Use the XHTML strict DOCTYPE and it parses > just fine. It literally eats them and puts nothing in the DOM. > "foo—foo" becomes "foofoo". I'm not sure specifically how it handles entities, but I like using lxml for dealing with XML in Python: http://codespeak.net/lxml/ -- Jeff Ollie "You know, I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair. Then I thought, wouldn't it be much worse if life were fair, and all the terrible things that happen to us come because we actually deserve them? So, now I take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the universe." -- Marcus to Franklin in Babylon 5: "A Late Delivery from Avalon" From zach at kotlarek.com Tue Dec 30 13:37:13 2008 From: zach at kotlarek.com (Zachary Kotlarek) Date: Tue Dec 30 13:37:40 2008 Subject: [Cialug] How many people are using Python ? In-Reply-To: References: <935ead450812300903k672b543er733ebadcd4b97339@mail.gmail.com> <38847955-7C48-4AD4-9DB5-74EBA8F6A374@kotlarek.com> Message-ID: On Dec 30, 2008, at 12:51 PM, Colin Burnett wrote: > It's not a parsing issue. Use the XHTML strict DOCTYPE and it parses > just fine. It literally eats them and puts nothing in the DOM. > "foo—foo" becomes "foofoo". I see what you mean -- I figured it was just skipping an undefined character entity, but it throws parsing errors if the entity really is undefined. Interestingly though it does work for the predefined entities -- & makes it into the DOM even when — is eaten. Zach -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2746 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20081230/6ab64664/smime.bin From ewenix at raccoon.com Tue Dec 30 13:34:36 2008 From: ewenix at raccoon.com (ewenix@raccoon.com) Date: Tue Dec 30 13:43:58 2008 Subject: [Cialug] dell parts? Message-ID: <29882.66.185.12.50.1230665676.squirrel@mail.raccoon.com> Anyone know where in the metro area I could get a hard drive caddy for a poweredge 1750? -Jeff -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From djweis at internetsolver.com Tue Dec 30 14:08:07 2008 From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis) Date: Tue Dec 30 14:08:36 2008 Subject: [Cialug] dell parts? In-Reply-To: <29882.66.185.12.50.1230665676.squirrel@mail.raccoon.com> References: <29882.66.185.12.50.1230665676.squirrel@mail.raccoon.com> Message-ID: <495A7FA7.9050909@internetsolver.com> Which format are they in? I think we have some at the office if you want to swing over. ewenix@raccoon.com wrote: > Anyone know where in the metro area I could > get a hard drive caddy for a poweredge 1750? > > -Jeff > > > > -- Dave Weis djweis@internetsolver.com http://www.internetsolver.com/ From kyounger at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 14:15:49 2008 From: kyounger at gmail.com (Kenneth Younger) Date: Tue Dec 30 14:16:13 2008 Subject: [Cialug] How many people are using Python ? In-Reply-To: References: <935ead450812300903k672b543er733ebadcd4b97339@mail.gmail.com> <38847955-7C48-4AD4-9DB5-74EBA8F6A374@kotlarek.com> Message-ID: <3cf2fb6b0812301215k54813ac6jca8b1d0f12e15327@mail.gmail.com> On another Python note, looks like they got Python running on Android. http://androidcommunity.com/android-running-python-still-a-little-rough-20081230/ On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Zachary Kotlarek wrote: > > On Dec 30, 2008, at 12:51 PM, Colin Burnett wrote: > >> It's not a parsing issue. Use the XHTML strict DOCTYPE and it parses >> just fine. It literally eats them and puts nothing in the DOM. >> "foo—foo" becomes "foofoo". > > I see what you mean -- I figured it was just skipping an undefined character > entity, but it throws parsing errors if the entity really is undefined. > > Interestingly though it does work for the predefined entities -- & makes > it into the DOM even when — is eaten. > > Zach > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > From david at bierce.org Tue Dec 30 15:19:12 2008 From: david at bierce.org (David Bierce) Date: Tue Dec 30 15:19:39 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Mediatomb In-Reply-To: <4959AD5C.4020407@gmail.com> References: <49515220.3070407@visionary.com><4951A316.3020108@eric.nu><3effba680812231951i5e6eaa17k118c23f3009dbd36@mail.gmail.com><4954ED0A.1030803@visionary.com> <926256ACDA8E46909DE591C215850CAB@toshibauser> <4959AD5C.4020407@gmail.com> Message-ID: <220A3B26-2AF8-426D-9052-636F907016E6@bierce.org> I haven't dug to deeply (busy with end of year things) but IIRC mediatomb just uses the mime type from the file and nothing else. If you wanted to get fancy it does support piping data to say script or program for transcoding, but you could wrap that with a script that will only transcode certain codec types and not just video/divx files. I'd really like a live container changer from MKV to something else, but that will require more digging. Dave On Dec 29, 2008, at 11:10 PM, Jeff Chapin wrote: > I recently started playing with MediaTomb+PS3 -- did you get it to > work > so that it transcoded DIV3 files and not all divx? I have spent an > evening trying to get that to work, and failed. > > Any advice would be nice. > > Currently I am trying to get ffmpegthumbnailer to install/compile on > fedora 8, and to fix the annoying way they list files. > > Jeff > > Dan Hockey wrote: >> I finally got it to work! It doesn't play *.MOV files though. >> -dh >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I had to log on as root in order to save the config.xml file. I haven't had much time to do more than to play some short avi's and mp3's to test it. -dh -----Original Message----- From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Chapin Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 11:11 PM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] Mediatomb I recently started playing with MediaTomb+PS3 -- did you get it to work so that it transcoded DIV3 files and not all divx? I have spent an evening trying to get that to work, and failed. Any advice would be nice. Currently I am trying to get ffmpegthumbnailer to install/compile on fedora 8, and to fix the annoying way they list files. Jeff Dan Hockey wrote: > I finally got it to work! It doesn't play *.MOV files though. > -dh > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.1/1867 - Release Date: 12/28/2008 2:23 PM From icepuck2k at mchsi.com Tue Dec 30 20:27:35 2008 From: icepuck2k at mchsi.com (Dan Hockey) Date: Tue Dec 30 20:27:58 2008 Subject: [Cialug] PS3 sixaxis mods In-Reply-To: References: <49515220.3070407@visionary.com><4951A316.3020108@eric.nu><3effba680812231951i5e6eaa17k118c23f3009dbd36@mail.gmail.com><4954ED0A.1030803@visionary.com> <926256ACDA8E46909DE591C215850CAB@toshibauser><4959AD5C.4020407@gmail.com> Message-ID: <475A07996CF541CCB61840727E5B6B91@toshibauser> And yes, it involves linux... http://www.pabr.org/sixlinux/sixlinux.en.html From newz at bearfruit.org Tue Dec 30 23:35:35 2008 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Tue Dec 30 23:35:59 2008 Subject: [Cialug] How many people are using Python ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 2:12 AM, Dave Crouse wrote: > How many people are using Python ? > I'm "still" trying to learn it, guess I'm just slow ;) > > Didn't we have a "local" python user group in Des Moines at one time > ??? I know about the one in Marshalltown, just thought at one time we > had one in Des Moines. I use python almost every work day though I'm not in any way an expert. There is no Des Moines python group that I know of but I'd enjoy meeting up occassionally with people who are using it to exchange tips and share ideas. Why not just post python questions here and if the volume gets annoying or irrelevant to the group at large spin it off to its own list. I've been playing with this lately: http://www.juiceanalytics.com/openjuice/juiced-google-analytics-api/ It's a python library for grabbing google analytics data. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin and twitter From crouse at usalug.net Wed Dec 31 01:28:59 2008 From: crouse at usalug.net (Dave Crouse) Date: Wed Dec 31 01:29:24 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Python - GUI questions Message-ID: I posted a link to the gui application I wrote in a previous post, and it uses the "grid" method and tkinter. The other common option is the "pack" method. Is one way better than the other ? I understand the grid method somewhat, but haven't delved into the pack way of doing gui's, at least not yet. I decided to use Tkinter to start with since it's included with Python and makes it much easier to do cross platform stuff (I think). I know alot of people prefer to use wxpython, but I haven't made it there yet. Any reasons I should just start with wxpython vs messing with Tkinter ?? Any suggestions ? From jerry at heiselman.com Wed Dec 31 07:37:28 2008 From: jerry at heiselman.com (Jerry Heiselman) Date: Wed Dec 31 07:37:55 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Python - GUI questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45a88bbd0812310537i1940afd0l2da67dd7bc2fa179@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 1:28 AM, Dave Crouse wrote: > Any reasons I should just start with wxpython vs messing with > Tkinter ?? > > The only reason that I would just start with wxPython is because the programming styles and layout models differ quite a bit between wxPython and Tkinter. wxPython really shows its C++ background while Tkinter tends to be a bit more Python-eque in my opinion. wxPython also allows for a bit more sophisticated layout of the widgets, so I prefer it. Then you can use Glade for a visual form builder! -- Jerry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20081231/71261533/attachment.htm From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Wed Dec 31 09:29:25 2008 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Wed Dec 31 09:30:54 2008 Subject: [Cialug] OT: New Windows worm is complex and nasty! Message-ID: Apparently discovered yesterday. It tunes some parameters to spread faster and puts hooks into network-accessible drives to load from there in the future. http://www.symantec.com/business/security_response/writeup.jsp?docid=2008-123015-3826-99&tabid=2 -Nate From djweis at internetsolver.com Wed Dec 31 10:02:14 2008 From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis) Date: Wed Dec 31 10:02:37 2008 Subject: [Cialug] OT: New Windows worm is complex and nasty! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <495B9786.9080407@internetsolver.com> Looks like it's easy to remove: > It then copies itself as the following files: > > * %ProgramFiles%\Internet Explorer\[RANDOM FILE NAME].dll > * %ProgramFiles%\Movie Maker\[RANDOM FILE NAME].dll > * %System%\[RANDOM FILE NAME].dll > * %Temp%\[RANDOM FILE NAME].dll > * C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data \[RANDOM FILE NAME].dll Just go to those directories and del *.dll Problem solved! Nathan C. Smith wrote: > Apparently discovered yesterday. > It tunes some parameters to spread faster and puts hooks into network-accessible drives to load from there in the future. > > http://www.symantec.com/business/security_response/writeup.jsp?docid=2008-123015-3826-99&tabid=2 > > > -Nate_______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -- Dave Weis Internet Solver Your Technology Partner 515-224-9229 www.internetsolver.com From jbailey at co.marshall.ia.us Wed Dec 31 10:04:16 2008 From: jbailey at co.marshall.ia.us (Jonathan C. Bailey) Date: Wed Dec 31 10:05:04 2008 Subject: [Cialug] OT: New Windows worm is complex and nasty! In-Reply-To: <495B9786.9080407@internetsolver.com> Message-ID: <9249674.17301230739456424.JavaMail.root@zimbra> jcbailey@hybrid:~$ rm -r *.dll rm: cannot remove `*.dll': No such file or directory Whew. That was a close call. :-D -Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Weis" To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 10:02:14 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Cialug] OT: New Windows worm is complex and nasty! Looks like it's easy to remove: > It then copies itself as the following files: > > * %ProgramFiles%\Internet Explorer\[RANDOM FILE NAME].dll > * %ProgramFiles%\Movie Maker\[RANDOM FILE NAME].dll > * %System%\[RANDOM FILE NAME].dll > * %Temp%\[RANDOM FILE NAME].dll > * C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data \[RANDOM FILE NAME].dll Just go to those directories and del *.dll Problem solved! Nathan C. Smith wrote: > Apparently discovered yesterday. > It tunes some parameters to spread faster and puts hooks into network-accessible drives to load from there in the future. > > http://www.symantec.com/business/security_response/writeup.jsp?docid=2008-123015-3826-99&tabid=2 > > > -Nate_______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -- Dave Weis Internet Solver Your Technology Partner 515-224-9229 www.internetsolver.com _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From barry at vonahsen.com Wed Dec 31 14:28:05 2008 From: barry at vonahsen.com (Barry Von Ahsen) Date: Wed Dec 31 14:28:27 2008 Subject: [Cialug] OT: New Windows worm is complex and nasty! In-Reply-To: <495B9786.9080407@internetsolver.com> References: <495B9786.9080407@internetsolver.com> Message-ID: <495BD5D5.7090301@vonahsen.com> Dave Weis wrote: > > Looks like it's easy to remove: >> It then copies itself as the following files: >> >> * %ProgramFiles%\Internet Explorer\[RANDOM FILE NAME].dll >> * %ProgramFiles%\Movie Maker\[RANDOM FILE NAME].dll >> * %System%\[RANDOM FILE NAME].dll >> * %Temp%\[RANDOM FILE NAME].dll >> * C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data \[RANDOM >> FILE NAME].dll > > Just go to those directories and > del *.dll > > Problem solved! I want to know how they got my password list -barry From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Wed Dec 31 14:30:16 2008 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Wed Dec 31 14:30:41 2008 Subject: [Cialug] OT: New Windows worm is complex and nasty! In-Reply-To: <495BD5D5.7090301@vonahsen.com> References: <495B9786.9080407@internetsolver.com> <495BD5D5.7090301@vonahsen.com> Message-ID: Google ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org > [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of Barry Von Ahsen > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 2:28 PM > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Cialug] OT: New Windows worm is complex and nasty! > > Dave Weis wrote: > > > > Looks like it's easy to remove: > >> It then copies itself as the following files: > >> > >> * %ProgramFiles%\Internet Explorer\[RANDOM FILE NAME].dll > >> * %ProgramFiles%\Movie Maker\[RANDOM FILE NAME].dll > >> * %System%\[RANDOM FILE NAME].dll > >> * %Temp%\[RANDOM FILE NAME].dll > >> * C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data > \[RANDOM > >> FILE NAME].dll > > > > Just go to those directories and > > del *.dll > > > > Problem solved! > > I want to know how they got my password list > > -barry > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From tdwalton at gmail.com Wed Dec 31 16:09:54 2008 From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton) Date: Wed Dec 31 16:10:17 2008 Subject: [Cialug] OT: New Windows worm is complex and nasty! In-Reply-To: <9249674.17301230739456424.JavaMail.root@zimbra> References: <495B9786.9080407@internetsolver.com> <9249674.17301230739456424.JavaMail.root@zimbra> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Jonathan C. Bailey wrote: > jcbailey@hybrid:~$ rm -r *.dll > rm: cannot remove `*.dll': No such file or directory > > Whew. That was a close call. :-D Yeah... *Tell* me you didn't do a quick 'ls' before you typed in that 'rm'. -todd