From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 1 05:13:00 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Chris Hilton) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:13:00 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] blogs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4223F9DC.1090206@cs.iastate.edu> The site that hosts my blog uses b2evo. It's alright, has a couple of really annoying bugs in the admin setup. admin wrote: >anyone here use a blog or anything of that nature? > >if so, what do you use? >--------------------- >admin@c0wzftp.com >Administrator - Email Service > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Cialug mailing list >Cialug@cialug.org >http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 1 05:16:49 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Chris Hilton) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:16:49 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Cluster In-Reply-To: <667aab9205022811083328e4b1@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050228184423.GC4791@cs.uni.edu> <667aab9205022811083328e4b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4223FAC1.2060509@cs.iastate.edu> Aaron Porter wrote: >On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:00:49 -0600, Lee wrote: > > >>What sort of interconnect should I be looking for. Is a fast 10/100 switch >>all I really need. Or is the speed between the two just that... A matter of >>preferred speed? >> >> > >That's an incredibly subjective question. It all depends on the >workload. If you're doing something (like SETI, rc5, etc) that uses a >lot of cpu time for tiny little chunks of data input and output, than >10/100 is probably ok, but for most real world applications >(bioinformatics, rendering, etc) you're really going to want gigE (or >better). A xeon or an opteron with a 64bit pci nic can flood a gigE >pretty reliably. >_______________________________________________ >Cialug mailing list >Cialug@cialug.org >http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > You also have to account for latency and how that will affect your processes. The general rule today, from my understanding, is that Gigabit on PCI is a MINIMUM. And it's not unreasonable, most good motherboards are shipping with gigabit onboard now, and an intel gigabit card is very affordable, so are gigabit switches. But as I understand if low latency is important, ethernet is the devil. I have very little experience with this, most of what I'm saying is just regurgitation from meetings with a guy who does know what he's talking about. From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 1 05:27:17 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (cialug@cialug.org) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:27:17 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Cialug] Looking for a Cisco 678 Message-ID: <32343.63.84.4.1.1109654837.squirrel@63.84.4.1> Anyone have a Cisco 678 DSL modem they would trade/sell/whatnot? Jon From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 1 13:57:38 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Renegade Muskrat) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 07:57:38 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Looking for a Cisco 678 In-Reply-To: <32343.63.84.4.1.1109654837.squirrel@63.84.4.1> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20050301074949.00a9b850@pop.ramaley.net> I have a spare 678. I think the BIOS or CBOS (or whatever they call the flash memory) needs to be rewritten to support the type of signalling used now, but otherwise it should work. I would guess the CBOS updates are still available on Cisco's web site. I'd be willing to sell it with the cables, documentation, and line filters for $50. Looks like they go on Ebay for a little more. At 11:27 PM 2/28/2005 -0600, you wrote: >Anyone have a Cisco 678 DSL modem they would trade/sell/whatnot? > >Jon -- Dan -------------------------------------------------------------------- "I'm still sane on three planets and two moons." -------------------------------------------------------------------- Daniel Ramaley 3118 Cottage Grove Ave Apt 8 dramaley at spatulacity dot cx Des Moines, Iowa 50311 http://www.spatulacity.cx/ (515) 271-5233 -------------------------------------------------------------------- WARNING: REDISTRIBUTION OF THIS MESSAGE MAY BE IN VIOLATION OF APPLICABLE COPYRIGHT LAWS. THIS MESSAGE NOT GUARANTEED Y-TO-K COMPLIANT. From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 1 14:15:47 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Allen Kiddoo) Date: 1 Mar 2005 14:15:47 -0000 Subject: [Cialug] Looking for a Cisco 678 Message-ID: <20050301141547.13522.qmail@webmail.directnic.com> Cisco also made a 677. It is DMT only. I found one on ebay for $20 Allen Kiddoo -------------------------------------- >-----Original Message----- >From: cialug@cialug.org >Sent: 02/28/05 - 23:27 >To: cialug@cialug.org >Subject: RE: [Cialug] Looking for a Cisco 678 > >Anyone have a Cisco 678 DSL modem they would trade/sell/whatnot? > > > >Jon > >_______________________________________________ >Cialug mailing list >Cialug@cialug.org >http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 1 16:09:06 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 10:09:06 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Cluster In-Reply-To: <4223FAC1.2060509@cs.iastate.edu> References: <20050228184423.GC4791@cs.uni.edu> <667aab9205022811083328e4b1@mail.gmail.com> <4223FAC1.2060509@cs.iastate.edu> Message-ID: <422493A2.6060603@visionary.com> Chris Hilton wrote: > Aaron Porter wrote: > >> On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:00:49 -0600, Lee wrote: >> >> >>> What sort of interconnect should I be looking for. Is a fast 10/100 >>> switch >>> all I really need. Or is the speed between the two just that... A >>> matter of >>> preferred speed? >> >> >> That's an incredibly subjective question. It all depends on the >> workload. If you're doing something (like SETI, rc5, etc) that uses a >> lot of cpu time for tiny little chunks of data input and output, than >> 10/100 is probably ok, but for most real world applications >> (bioinformatics, rendering, etc) you're really going to want gigE (or >> better). A xeon or an opteron with a 64bit pci nic can flood a gigE >> pretty reliably. >> > You also have to account for latency and how that will affect your > processes. The general rule today, from my understanding, is that > Gigabit on PCI is a MINIMUM. And it's not unreasonable, most good > motherboards are shipping with gigabit onboard now, and an intel gigabit > card is very affordable, so are gigabit switches. > But as I understand if low latency is important, ethernet is the devil. > I have very little experience with this, most of what I'm saying is just > regurgitation from meetings with a guy who does know what he's talking > about. The Netgear PCI gigabit ethernet cards are about $30 retail, and in comparisons (this was a year ago or so...) benchmark about the best of the PCI gigabit on copper cards. But... like the previous poster says, it probably all depends on what you're doing, and for your experimentation 100mbit would probably be fine. -dc From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 1 17:41:36 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 11:41:36 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] chkrootkit Message-ID: <4224A950.7040602@visionary.com> FYI - just noticed that a new version of chkrootkit was released on 2/22. http://www.chkrootkit.org/ Download and "make sense". -dc From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 1 17:57:49 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (gmail masta) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:57:49 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] i-spot Access Message-ID: <22611c5705030109571d8d761e@mail.gmail.com> who ever is in charge of this project please email me off list. got a little bit of info that might be useful to you. From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 2 00:55:42 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Ken MacLeod) Date: 01 Mar 2005 18:55:42 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] blogs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <87k6oqx3w1.fsf@bitsko.slc.ut.us> "admin" writes: > anyone here use a blog or anything of that nature? > > if so, what do you use? I use Blosxom, http://www.blosxom.com/ , which is good if you have your own server and like keeping your entries in the filesystem and editing them with your preferred editor. Although the initial installation is extremely simple, a few of features you'd expect in a blog are implemented as plugins which have to be downloaded separately, however there's also a ton of cool plugins for it too. If you know Perl, or use one of several other Blosxom ports in different languages, it's very easy to write plugins for most anything you'd think of doing. -- Ken From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 2 04:36:23 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Don Cady) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 22:36:23 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Another CompUSA user groups 'event' Message-ID: <001501c51ee1$63ecdef0$6601a8c0@any7xu043c9b9i> FYI, CompUSA is having another sale for user group members Thursday. www.compusabusiness.com/pcuevent No, I don't think you actually have to register, just show up and say you're with a user group. I've got a flyer pdf that was emailed to me, in case you're interested. I didn't know if it's ok to send it to the list. Don --------------------------------------------------------------------- http://noderunner.blogspot.com | http://getfirefox.com -Insert obligitory sig line here- From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 2 22:57:04 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Jim Asbille) Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 16:57:04 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Another CompUSA user groups 'event' In-Reply-To: <001501c51ee1$63ecdef0$6601a8c0@any7xu043c9b9i> References: <001501c51ee1$63ecdef0$6601a8c0@any7xu043c9b9i> Message-ID: <422644C0.4000304@gmail.com> Don Cady wrote: > FYI, CompUSA is having another sale for user group members Thursday. > www.compusabusiness.com/pcuevent > No, I don't think you actually have to register, just show up and say > you're with a user group. > I've got a flyer pdf that was emailed to me, in case you're > interested. I didn't know if it's ok to send it to the list. > > Don > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > http://noderunner.blogspot.com | > http://getfirefox.com > -Insert obligitory sig line here- > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > What kinds of things have they offered in the past and how deep is the discount? From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 3 00:40:38 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Don Cady) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 18:40:38 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Another CompUSA user groups 'event' References: <001501c51ee1$63ecdef0$6601a8c0@any7xu043c9b9i> <422644C0.4000304@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000801c51f89$a05283b0$6601a8c0@any7xu043c9b9i> They usually pick something from each 'department' and discount it between 10-30%. Here, you be the judge; the flyer has boxed suse 9.2 at $70, 512mb memorex thumbdrives for $40, a Netgear GbE card for $10, and a Sony dscp200 camera for $350. Some of them seem like the same type of shallow discounts that are in their normal flyers, but hey- it's a national chain that at least recognizes user groups. I just thought I'd pass the word. Don > What kinds of things have they offered in the past and how deep is the > discount? > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From cialug@cialug.org Fri Mar 4 18:25:30 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (David Stout) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:25:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Cialug] Access Message-ID: <20050304182530.20433.qmail@web54007.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1744805607-1109960730=:19693 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I know this is not a forum for this type of post however I have exhausted all other forums and documentation to find my answer. So I have resorted to taking a chance at getting yelled at. Here goes: At work I am creating an Access2003 Database I have a form with a field called Determined Not Reportable By and a field called Status. The Determined Not reportable is only required if Status = "Not Reportable". How do I create validation to make the field Determined Not Reportable By when Status = "Not Reportable"? Thank you in advance David Stout Business Forms Analyst & Student __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1744805607-1109960730=:19693 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I know this is not a forum for this type of post however I have exhausted all other forums and documentation to find my answer. So I have resorted to taking a chance at getting yelled at.
 
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At work I am creating an Access2003 Database I have a form with a field called Determined Not Reportable By and a field called Status. The Determined Not reportable is only required if Status = "Not Reportable". How do I create validation to make the field Determined Not Reportable By when Status = "Not Reportable"?
 
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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1744805607-1109960730=:19693-- From cialug@cialug.org Fri Mar 4 20:34:56 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Kevin C. Smith) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:34:56 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Cialug] Access In-Reply-To: <20050304182530.20433.qmail@web54007.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050304182530.20433.qmail@web54007.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <58451.66.43.220.240.1109968496.squirrel@66.43.220.240> > I know this is not a forum for this type of post however I have exhausted > all other forums and documentation to find my answer. So I have resorted > to taking a chance at getting yelled at. > > Here goes: > > At work I am creating an Access2003 Database I have a form with a field > called Determined Not Reportable By and a field called Status. The > Determined Not reportable is only required if Status = "Not Reportable". > How do I create validation to make the field Determined Not Reportable By > when Status = "Not Reportable"? > > Thank you in advance > I'm not sure I understand the question. "How do I create validation to make the field Determined Not Reportable By when Status = "Not Reportable"?" You can set the field to be not visible on the form, and then if "Status" = "Not Reportable" use VB to set the field to visible. On "Determined Not Reportable" set visible to "No" (under Format) On "Status" field in Event "After Update" enter an Event Procedure: Something like: If Me.Status = "Not Reportable" Then Me.Determined Not Reportable.Visible = True Else Me.Determined Not Reportable.Visible = False End If You can have it check the "Status" field on form load also if needed. Not sure I helped, but this may be a start. -- Kevin C. Smith From cialug@cialug.org Fri Mar 4 20:47:17 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (David Stout) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:47:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Cialug] Access In-Reply-To: <58451.66.43.220.240.1109968496.squirrel@66.43.220.240> Message-ID: <20050304204717.9929.qmail@web54005.mail.yahoo.com> --0-615979285-1109969237=:7581 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What is am looking for is to make the field required on the form it Status is "determined not reportable" "Kevin C. Smith" wrote: > I know this is not a forum for this type of post however I have exhausted > all other forums and documentation to find my answer. So I have resorted > to taking a chance at getting yelled at. > > Here goes: > > At work I am creating an Access2003 Database I have a form with a field > called Determined Not Reportable By and a field called Status. The > Determined Not reportable is only required if Status = "Not Reportable". > How do I create validation to make the field Determined Not Reportable By > when Status = "Not Reportable"? > > Thank you in advance > I'm not sure I understand the question. "How do I create validation to make the field Determined Not Reportable By when Status = "Not Reportable"?" You can set the field to be not visible on the form, and then if "Status" = "Not Reportable" use VB to set the field to visible. On "Determined Not Reportable" set visible to "No" (under Format) On "Status" field in Event "After Update" enter an Event Procedure: Something like: If Me.Status = "Not Reportable" Then Me.Determined Not Reportable.Visible = True Else Me.Determined Not Reportable.Visible = False End If You can have it check the "Status" field on form load also if needed. Not sure I helped, but this may be a start. -- Kevin C. Smith _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug David Stout Business Forms Analyst & Student __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-615979285-1109969237=:7581 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

What is am looking for is to make the field required on the form it Status is "determined not reportable"

"Kevin C. Smith" <kevin@linuxsmith.com> wrote:

> I know this is not a forum for this type of post however I have exhausted
> all other forums and documentation to find my answer. So I have resorted
> to taking a chance at getting yelled at.
>
> Here goes:
>
> At work I am creating an Access2003 Database I have a form with a field
> called Determined Not Reportable By and a field called Status. The
> Determined Not reportable is only required if Status = "Not Reportable".
> How do I create validation to make the field Determined Not Reportable By
> when Status = "Not Reportable"?
>
> Thank you in advance
>
I'm not sure I understand the question.

"How do I create validation to make the field Determined Not Reportable By
when Status = "Not Reportable"?"

You can set the field to be not visible on the form, and then if "Status"
= "Not Reportable" use VB to set the field to visible.

On "Determined Not Reportable" set visible to "No" (under Format)
On "Status" field in Event "After Update" enter an Event Procedure:
Something like:

If Me.Status = "Not Reportable" Then
Me.Determined Not Reportable.Visible = True
Else
Me.Determined Not Reportable.Visible = False
End If

You can have it check the "Status" field on form load also if needed.
Not sure I helped, but this may be a start.

--
Kevin C. Smith
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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-615979285-1109969237=:7581-- From cialug@cialug.org Fri Mar 4 21:13:07 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (David Stout) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:13:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Cialug] Access In-Reply-To: <58451.66.43.220.240.1109968496.squirrel@66.43.220.240> Message-ID: <20050304211308.28473.qmail@web54004.mail.yahoo.com> --0-882791777-1109970787=:26682 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What does the Me. represent in front of the field name? "Kevin C. Smith" wrote: > I know this is not a forum for this type of post however I have exhausted > all other forums and documentation to find my answer. So I have resorted > to taking a chance at getting yelled at. > > Here goes: > > At work I am creating an Access2003 Database I have a form with a field > called Determined Not Reportable By and a field called Status. The > Determined Not reportable is only required if Status = "Not Reportable". > How do I create validation to make the field Determined Not Reportable By > when Status = "Not Reportable"? > > Thank you in advance > I'm not sure I understand the question. "How do I create validation to make the field Determined Not Reportable By when Status = "Not Reportable"?" You can set the field to be not visible on the form, and then if "Status" = "Not Reportable" use VB to set the field to visible. On "Determined Not Reportable" set visible to "No" (under Format) On "Status" field in Event "After Update" enter an Event Procedure: Something like: If Me.Status = "Not Reportable" Then Me.Determined Not Reportable.Visible = True Else Me.Determined Not Reportable.Visible = False End If You can have it check the "Status" field on form load also if needed. Not sure I helped, but this may be a start. -- Kevin C. Smith _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug David Stout Business Forms Analyst & Student --------------------------------- Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web --0-882791777-1109970787=:26682 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

What does the Me. represent in front of the field name?

"Kevin C. Smith" <kevin@linuxsmith.com> wrote:

> I know this is not a forum for this type of post however I have exhausted
> all other forums and documentation to find my answer. So I have resorted
> to taking a chance at getting yelled at.
>
> Here goes:
>
> At work I am creating an Access2003 Database I have a form with a field
> called Determined Not Reportable By and a field called Status. The
> Determined Not reportable is only required if Status = "Not Reportable".
> How do I create validation to make the field Determined Not Reportable By
> when Status = "Not Reportable"?
>
> Thank you in advance
>
I'm not sure I understand the question.

"How do I create validation to make the field Determined Not Reportable By
when Status = "Not Reportable"?"

You can set the field to be not visible on the form, and then if "Status"
= "Not Reportable" use VB to set the field to visible.

On "Determined Not Reportable" set visible to "No" (under Format)
On "Status" field in Event "After Update" enter an Event Procedure:
Something like:

If Me.Status = "Not Reportable" Then
Me.Determined Not Reportable.Visible = True
Else
Me.Determined Not Reportable.Visible = False
End If

You can have it check the "Status" field on form load also if needed.
Not sure I helped, but this may be a start.

--
Kevin C. Smith
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Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web --0-882791777-1109970787=:26682-- From cialug@cialug.org Fri Mar 4 21:28:35 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 15:28:35 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Access In-Reply-To: <20050304211308.28473.qmail@web54004.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050304211308.28473.qmail@web54004.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4228D303.1040904@visionary.com> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ms+access+newbies&btnG=Google+Search -dc David Stout wrote: > What does the Me. represent in front of the field name? > > "Kevin C. Smith" wrote: > >>I know this is not a forum for this type of post however I have exhausted >>all other forums and documentation to find my answer. So I have resorted >>to taking a chance at getting yelled at. >> >>Here goes: >> >>At work I am creating an Access2003 Database I have a form with a field >>called Determined Not Reportable By and a field called Status. The >>Determined Not reportable is only required if Status = "Not Reportable". >>How do I create validation to make the field Determined Not Reportable By >>when Status = "Not Reportable"? >> >>Thank you in advance >> > > I'm not sure I understand the question. > > "How do I create validation to make the field Determined Not Reportable By > when Status = "Not Reportable"?" > > You can set the field to be not visible on the form, and then if "Status" > = "Not Reportable" use VB to set the field to visible. > > On "Determined Not Reportable" set visible to "No" (under Format) > On "Status" field in Event "After Update" enter an Event Procedure: > Something like: > > If Me.Status = "Not Reportable" Then > Me.Determined Not Reportable.Visible = True > Else > Me.Determined Not Reportable.Visible = False > End If > > You can have it check the "Status" field on form load also if needed. > Not sure I helped, but this may be a start. > From cialug@cialug.org Fri Mar 4 21:57:15 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (David Stout) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:57:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Cialug] Access In-Reply-To: <4228D303.1040904@visionary.com> Message-ID: <20050304215715.33166.qmail@web54001.mail.yahoo.com> --0-2051470763-1109973435=:31971 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thank you David and Kevin David Champion wrote:http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ms+access+newbies&btnG=Google+Search -dc David Stout wrote: > What does the Me. represent in front of the field name? > > "Kevin C. Smith" wrote: > >>I know this is not a forum for this type of post however I have exhausted >>all other forums and documentation to find my answer. So I have resorted >>to taking a chance at getting yelled at. >> >>Here goes: >> >>At work I am creating an Access2003 Database I have a form with a field >>called Determined Not Reportable By and a field called Status. The >>Determined Not reportable is only required if Status = "Not Reportable". >>How do I create validation to make the field Determined Not Reportable By >>when Status = "Not Reportable"? >> >>Thank you in advance >> > > I'm not sure I understand the question. > > "How do I create validation to make the field Determined Not Reportable By > when Status = "Not Reportable"?" > > You can set the field to be not visible on the form, and then if "Status" > = "Not Reportable" use VB to set the field to visible. > > On "Determined Not Reportable" set visible to "No" (under Format) > On "Status" field in Event "After Update" enter an Event Procedure: > Something like: > > If Me.Status = "Not Reportable" Then > Me.Determined Not Reportable.Visible = True > Else > Me.Determined Not Reportable.Visible = False > End If > > You can have it check the "Status" field on form load also if needed. > Not sure I helped, but this may be a start. > _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug David Stout Business Forms Analyst & Student __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-2051470763-1109973435=:31971 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Thank you David and Kevin

David Champion <dave@visionary.com> wrote:
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-dc

David Stout wrote:
> What does the Me. represent in front of the field name?
>
> "Kevin C. Smith" wrote:
>
>>I know this is not a forum for this type of post however I have exhausted
>>all other forums and documentation to find my answer. So I have resorted
>>to taking a chance at getting yelled at.
>>
>>Here goes:
>>
>>At work I am creating an Access2003 Database I have a form with a field
>>called Determined Not Reportable By and a field called Status. The
>>Determined Not reportable is only required if Status = "Not Reportable".
>>How do I create validation to make the field Determined Not Reportable By
>>when Status = "Not Reportable"?
>>
>>Thank you in advance
>>
>
> I'm not sure I understand the question.
>
> "How do I create validation to make the field Determined Not Reportable By
> when Status = "Not Reportable"?"
>
> You can set the field to be not visible on the form, and then if "Status"
> = "Not Reportable" use VB to set the field to visible.
>
> On "Determined Not Reportable" set visible to "No" (under Format)
> On "Status" field in Event "After Update" enter an Event Procedure:
> Something like:
>
> If Me.Status = "Not Reportable" Then
> Me.Determined Not Reportable.Visible = True
> Else
> Me.Determined Not Reportable.Visible = False
> End If
>
> You can have it check the "Status" field on form load also if needed.
> Not sure I helped, but this may be a start.
>


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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-2051470763-1109973435=:31971-- From cialug@cialug.org Fri Mar 4 23:14:16 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Kevin C. Smith) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 17:14:16 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Access In-Reply-To: <20050304211308.28473.qmail@web54004.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050304211308.28473.qmail@web54004.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1109978056.5464.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Me. means something like look in "current form" in this case. Type Me. and you will see your various options. Okay. You want the field to be actually "required" "must be filled". I don't have a Windows machine (Access) in front of me now, but I bet there is a required option for fields. Look to turn it on/off as shown with the "visible" option. I'll check later myself. On Fri, 2005-03-04 at 13:13 -0800, David Stout wrote: > What does the Me. represent in front of the field name? > > "Kevin C. Smith" wrote: > > > I know this is not a forum for this type of post however I > have exhausted > > all other forums and documentation to find my answer. So I > have resorted > > to taking a chance at getting yelled at. > > > > Here goes: > > > > At work I am creating an Access2003 Database I have a form > with a field > > called Determined Not Reportable By and a field called > Status. The > > Determined Not reportable is only required if Status = "Not > Reportable". > > How do I create validation to make the field Determined Not > Reportable By > > when Status = "Not Reportable"? > > > > Thank you in advance > > > I'm not sure I understand the question. > > "How do I create validation to make the field Determined Not > Reportable By > when Status = "Not Reportable"?" > > You can set the field to be not visible on the form, and then > if "Stat us" > = "Not Reportable" use VB to set the field to visible. > > On "Determined Not Reportable" set visible to "No" (under > Format) > On "Status" field in Event "After Update" enter an Event > Procedure: > Something like: > > If Me.Status = "Not Reportable" Then > Me.Determined Not Reportable.Visible = True > Else > Me.Determined Not Reportable.Visible = False > End If > > You can have it check the "Status" field on form load also if > needed. > Not sure I helped, but this may be a start. > > -- > Kevin C. Smith > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > David Stout > Business Forms Analyst & Student > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! > Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web -- Kevin C. Smith From cialug@cialug.org Fri Mar 4 23:15:34 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Kevin C. Smith) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 17:15:34 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Access In-Reply-To: <4228D303.1040904@visionary.com> References: <20050304211308.28473.qmail@web54004.mail.yahoo.com> <4228D303.1040904@visionary.com> Message-ID: <1109978134.5464.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Ouch ... :0 On Fri, 2005-03-04 at 15:28 -0600, David Champion wrote: > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ms+access+newbies&btnG=Google+Search > > -dc > > David Stout wrote: > > What does the Me. represent in front of the field name? > > > > "Kevin C. Smith" wrote: > > > >>I know this is not a forum for this type of post however I have exhausted > >>all other forums and documentation to find my answer. So I have resorted > >>to taking a chance at getting yelled at. > >> > >>Here goes: > >> > >>At work I am creating an Access2003 Database I have a form with a field > >>called Determined Not Reportable By and a field called Status. The > >>Determined Not reportable is only required if Status = "Not Reportable". > >>How do I create validation to make the field Determined Not Reportable By > >>when Status = "Not Reportable"? > >> > >>Thank you in advance > >> > > > > I'm not sure I understand the question. > > > > "How do I create validation to make the field Determined Not Reportable By > > when Status = "Not Reportable"?" > > > > You can set the field to be not visible on the form, and then if "Status" > > = "Not Reportable" use VB to set the field to visible. > > > > On "Determined Not Reportable" set visible to "No" (under Format) > > On "Status" field in Event "After Update" enter an Event Procedure: > > Something like: > > > > If Me.Status = "Not Reportable" Then > > Me.Determined Not Reportable.Visible = True > > Else > > Me.Determined Not Reportable.Visible = False > > End If > > > > You can have it check the "Status" field on form load also if needed. > > Not sure I helped, but this may be a start. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > -- Kevin C. Smith From cialug@cialug.org Fri Mar 4 23:16:41 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (cialug@cialug.org) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:16:41 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Cialug] OT: Issues with CSS Message-ID: <55551.63.84.4.1.1109978201.squirrel@63.84.4.1> Yes, this is a repost for anyone that is also on the CIAPUG list.... ---snip--- First, here is the HTML - next, the issue... (well, at least the relavent stuff). page.htm:

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admin.css: .menubox { padding: 2px; width: 194px; margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; border: 1px solid #b1b1b1; background: #fff; font-family: Sans-Serif; font-size: 10pt; } admin-print.css: .menubox { display: none; } The issue is that when I switch to the print format, any DIVs with an ID tag set don't disappear. The ones with no ID tag set disappear like they should. Any ideas? Jon From cialug@cialug.org Sat Mar 5 00:37:08 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Mark Hesseltine) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 18:37:08 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Issues with CSS In-Reply-To: <55551.63.84.4.1.1109978201.squirrel@63.84.4.1> References: <55551.63.84.4.1.1109978201.squirrel@63.84.4.1> Message-ID: <35e03aae050304163747dbcbdf@mail.gmail.com> John: Using Mozilla Firefox 1.0 on Linux, and Konqueror 3.3.2 on Linux, I see both DIVs disappear. To test, I also added a DIV without a class, just to make sure. Could it be a browser rendering issue? On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:16:41 -0600 (CST), jcbailey@code0.net wrote: > Yes, this is a repost for anyone that is also on the CIAPUG list.... > > ---snip--- > > First, here is the HTML - next, the issue... (well, at least the relavent > stuff). > > page.htm: > > > >
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> > admin.css: > .menubox { > padding: 2px; > width: 194px; > margin-top: 10px; > margin-bottom: 10px; > border: 1px solid #b1b1b1; > background: #fff; > font-family: Sans-Serif; > font-size: 10pt; > } > > admin-print.css: > .menubox { display: none; } > > The issue is that when I switch to the print format, any DIVs with an ID > tag set don't disappear. The ones with no ID tag set disappear like they > should. Any ideas? > > Jon > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -- Mark Hesseltine mailto:markhesseltine@gmail.com From cialug@cialug.org Sat Mar 5 00:50:52 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (cialug@cialug.org) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 18:50:52 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Cialug] OT: Issues with CSS In-Reply-To: <35e03aae050304163747dbcbdf@mail.gmail.com> References: <55551.63.84.4.1.1109978201.squirrel@63.84.4.1> <35e03aae050304163747dbcbdf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <38466.63.84.4.1.1109983852.squirrel@63.84.4.1> I don't THINK so.... I've only tested it with IE5/IE6/FF 1.0.1... Jon > John: > Using Mozilla Firefox 1.0 on Linux, and Konqueror 3.3.2 on Linux, I > see both DIVs disappear. To test, I also added a DIV without a class, > just to make sure. Could it be a browser rendering issue? > > On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:16:41 -0600 (CST), jcbailey@code0.net > wrote: >> Yes, this is a repost for anyone that is also on the CIAPUG list.... >> >> ---snip--- >> >> First, here is the HTML - next, the issue... (well, at least the >> relavent >> stuff). >> >> page.htm: >> >> >> >>
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>> >> admin.css: >> .menubox { >> padding: 2px; >> width: 194px; >> margin-top: 10px; >> margin-bottom: 10px; >> border: 1px solid #b1b1b1; >> background: #fff; >> font-family: Sans-Serif; >> font-size: 10pt; >> } >> >> admin-print.css: >> .menubox { display: none; } >> >> The issue is that when I switch to the print format, any DIVs with an ID >> tag set don't disappear. The ones with no ID tag set disappear like they >> should. Any ideas? >> >> Jon >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> > > > -- > Mark Hesseltine > mailto:markhesseltine@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From cialug@cialug.org Sat Mar 5 00:58:24 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Dave J. Hala Jr.) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 18:58:24 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Issues with CSS In-Reply-To: <38466.63.84.4.1.1109983852.squirrel@63.84.4.1> References: <55551.63.84.4.1.1109978201.squirrel@63.84.4.1> <35e03aae050304163747dbcbdf@mail.gmail.com> <38466.63.84.4.1.1109983852.squirrel@63.84.4.1> Message-ID: <1109984304.29628.561.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com> IE5 and IE6 sometimes does some funky stuff with CSS, that Mozilla and Firefox handle properly... On Fri, 2005-03-04 at 18:50, jcbailey@code0.net wrote: > I don't THINK so.... I've only tested it with IE5/IE6/FF 1.0.1... > > > Jon > > > John: > > Using Mozilla Firefox 1.0 on Linux, and Konqueror 3.3.2 on Linux, I > > see both DIVs disappear. To test, I also added a DIV without a class, > > just to make sure. Could it be a browser rendering issue? > > > > On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:16:41 -0600 (CST), jcbailey@code0.net > > wrote: > >> Yes, this is a repost for anyone that is also on the CIAPUG list.... > >> > >> ---snip--- > >> > >> First, here is the HTML - next, the issue... (well, at least the > >> relavent > >> stuff). > >> > >> page.htm: > >> > >> > >> > >>
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> >> > >> admin.css: > >> .menubox { > >> padding: 2px; > >> width: 194px; > >> margin-top: 10px; > >> margin-bottom: 10px; > >> border: 1px solid #b1b1b1; > >> background: #fff; > >> font-family: Sans-Serif; > >> font-size: 10pt; > >> } > >> > >> admin-print.css: > >> .menubox { display: none; } > >> > >> The issue is that when I switch to the print format, any DIVs with an ID > >> tag set don't disappear. The ones with no ID tag set disappear like they > >> should. Any ideas? > >> > >> Jon > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Cialug mailing list > >> Cialug@cialug.org > >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > >> > > > > > > -- > > Mark Hesseltine > > mailto:markhesseltine@gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug@cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -- Open Source Information Systems (OSIS) Dave J. Hala Jr. 641.485.1606 From cialug@cialug.org Sat Mar 5 01:01:03 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Bailey, Jonathan C) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 19:01:03 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Issues with CSS Message-ID: But firefox has the same action as IE... -----Original Message----- From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On Behalf Of Dave J. Hala Jr. Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 6:58 PM To: Cialug Subject: Re: [Cialug] OT: Issues with CSS IE5 and IE6 sometimes does some funky stuff with CSS, that Mozilla and Firefox handle properly... On Fri, 2005-03-04 at 18:50, jcbailey@code0.net wrote: > I don't THINK so.... I've only tested it with IE5/IE6/FF 1.0.1... >=20 >=20 > Jon >=20 > > John: > > Using Mozilla Firefox 1.0 on Linux, and Konqueror 3.3.2 on Linux, I > > see both DIVs disappear. To test, I also added a DIV without a = class, > > just to make sure. Could it be a browser rendering issue? > > > > On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:16:41 -0600 (CST), jcbailey@code0.net > > wrote: > >> Yes, this is a repost for anyone that is also on the CIAPUG = list.... > >> > >> ---snip--- > >> > >> First, here is the HTML - next, the issue... (well, at least the > >> relavent > >> stuff). > >> > >> page.htm: > >> > >> > >>
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> >> > >> admin.css: > >> .menubox { > >> padding: 2px; > >> width: 194px; > >> margin-top: 10px; > >> margin-bottom: 10px; > >> border: 1px solid #b1b1b1; > >> background: #fff; > >> font-family: Sans-Serif; > >> font-size: 10pt; > >> } > >> > >> admin-print.css: > >> .menubox { display: none; } > >> > >> The issue is that when I switch to the print format, any DIVs with = an ID > >> tag set don't disappear. The ones with no ID tag set disappear like = they > >> should. Any ideas? > >> > >> Jon > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Cialug mailing list > >> Cialug@cialug.org > >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > >> > > > > > > -- > > Mark Hesseltine > > mailto:markhesseltine@gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug@cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug --=20 Open Source Information Systems (OSIS) Dave J. Hala Jr. 641.485.1606 _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Sat Mar 5 01:16:32 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (cialug@cialug.org) Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 01:16:32 +0000 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Issues with CSS Message-ID: <030520050116.26084.4229087000013640000065E42197913363CECECF02019C04079903079B@mchsi.com> Do you have the Firefox Web Developer extension? It's nice. I copied your code and tried to validate it and it failed. I looked at the W3C doc, and found this as an example: I'm still learning this stuff, but it looks like they're saying to define a style with media types you want. Check out this link: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/present/styles.html#h-14.4.1 -- Tim W. > But firefox has the same action as IE... > > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On Behalf > Of Dave J. Hala Jr. > Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 6:58 PM > To: Cialug > Subject: Re: [Cialug] OT: Issues with CSS > > > IE5 and IE6 sometimes does some funky stuff with CSS, that Mozilla and > Firefox handle properly... > > > On Fri, 2005-03-04 at 18:50, jcbailey@code0.net wrote: > > I don't THINK so.... I've only tested it with IE5/IE6/FF 1.0.1... > > > > > > Jon > > > > > John: > > > Using Mozilla Firefox 1.0 on Linux, and Konqueror 3.3.2 on Linux, I > > > see both DIVs disappear. To test, I also added a DIV without a class, > > > just to make sure. Could it be a browser rendering issue? > > > > > > On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:16:41 -0600 (CST), jcbailey@code0.net > > > wrote: > > >> Yes, this is a repost for anyone that is also on the CIAPUG list.... > > >> > > >> ---snip--- > > >> > > >> First, here is the HTML - next, the issue... (well, at least the > > >> relavent > > >> stuff). > > >> > > >> page.htm: > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>
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> > >> > > >> admin.css: > > >> .menubox { > > >> padding: 2px; > > >> width: 194px; > > >> margin-top: 10px; > > >> margin-bottom: 10px; > > >> border: 1px solid #b1b1b1; > > >> background: #fff; > > >> font-family: Sans-Serif; > > >> font-size: 10pt; > > >> } > > >> > > >> admin-print.css: > > >> .menubox { display: none; } > > >> > > >> The issue is that when I switch to the print format, any DIVs with an ID > > >> tag set don't disappear. The ones with no ID tag set disappear like they > > >> should. Any ideas? > > >> > > >> Jon > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Cialug mailing list > > >> Cialug@cialug.org > > >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Mark Hesseltine > > > mailto:markhesseltine@gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Cialug mailing list > > > Cialug@cialug.org > > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug@cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -- > > Open Source Information Systems (OSIS) > Dave J. Hala Jr. > 641.485.1606 > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Sat Mar 5 01:25:44 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (cialug@cialug.org) Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 01:25:44 +0000 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Issues with CSS Message-ID: <030520050125.22671.42290A97000E954F0000588F2197924741CECECF02019C04079903079B@mchsi.com> Ok, I guess I should've kept working on it a little longer. Your code is incorrect. You need to have quotes around "text/css". Here's the new code that I got to work: Test
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On the CRT, both content boxes showed up. When I printed it, neither showed up. Is that what you were looking for? -- Tim W. > Do you have the Firefox Web Developer extension? It's nice. I copied your code > and tried to validate it and it failed. I looked at the W3C doc, and found this > as an example: > > type="text/css"> > > > > > I'm still learning this stuff, but it looks like they're saying to define a > style with media types you want. Check out this link: > > http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/present/styles.html#h-14.4.1 > > -- > Tim W. > > > > But firefox has the same action as IE... > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On Behalf > > Of Dave J. Hala Jr. > > Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 6:58 PM > > To: Cialug > > Subject: Re: [Cialug] OT: Issues with CSS > > > > > > IE5 and IE6 sometimes does some funky stuff with CSS, that Mozilla and > > Firefox handle properly... > > > > > > On Fri, 2005-03-04 at 18:50, jcbailey@code0.net wrote: > > > I don't THINK so.... I've only tested it with IE5/IE6/FF 1.0.1... > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > John: > > > > Using Mozilla Firefox 1.0 on Linux, and Konqueror 3.3.2 on Linux, I > > > > see both DIVs disappear. To test, I also added a DIV without a class, > > > > just to make sure. Could it be a browser rendering issue? > > > > > > > > On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:16:41 -0600 (CST), jcbailey@code0.net > > > > wrote: > > > >> Yes, this is a repost for anyone that is also on the CIAPUG list.... > > > >> > > > >> ---snip--- > > > >> > > > >> First, here is the HTML - next, the issue... (well, at least the > > > >> relavent > > > >> stuff). > > > >> > > > >> page.htm: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>
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> > > >> > > > >> admin.css: > > > >> .menubox { > > > >> padding: 2px; > > > >> width: 194px; > > > >> margin-top: 10px; > > > >> margin-bottom: 10px; > > > >> border: 1px solid #b1b1b1; > > > >> background: #fff; > > > >> font-family: Sans-Serif; > > > >> font-size: 10pt; > > > >> } > > > >> > > > >> admin-print.css: > > > >> .menubox { display: none; } > > > >> > > > >> The issue is that when I switch to the print format, any DIVs with an ID > > > >> tag set don't disappear. The ones with no ID tag set disappear like they > > > >> should. Any ideas? > > > >> > > > >> Jon > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> Cialug mailing list > > > >> Cialug@cialug.org > > > >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Mark Hesseltine > > > > mailto:markhesseltine@gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Cialug mailing list > > > > Cialug@cialug.org > > > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Cialug mailing list > > > Cialug@cialug.org > > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > -- > > > > Open Source Information Systems (OSIS) > > Dave J. Hala Jr. > > 641.485.1606 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug@cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug@cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Sat Mar 5 01:31:57 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Bailey, Jonathan C) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 19:31:57 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Issues with CSS Message-ID: Ok... I'm a bit closer to fixing it... The DIVs I'm having problems with = are written to with JavaScript. If I make a DIV with class=3Dmenubox and = id=3Dwhatever, it works fine. If I write content to that DIV, it won't = disappear. Here's the (basic) code I'm using for that.... document.getElementById('divname').innerHTML =3D 'whatever'; Jon -----Original Message----- From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On Behalf Of timwilson011@mchsi.com Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 7:26 PM To: cialug@cialug.org Subject: RE: [Cialug] OT: Issues with CSS Ok, I guess I should've kept working on it a little longer. Your code = is incorrect. You need to have quotes around "text/css". Here's the new = code that I got to work: Test
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On the CRT, both content boxes showed up. When I printed it, neither = showed up. Is that what you were looking for? -- Tim W. > Do you have the Firefox Web Developer extension? It's nice. I copied = your code > and tried to validate it and it failed. I looked at the W3C doc, and = found this > as an example: > > type=3D"text/css"> > > > >=20 > I'm still learning this stuff, but it looks like they're saying to = define a > style with media types you want. Check out this link: >=20 > http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/present/styles.html#h-14.4.1 >=20 > -- > Tim W. >=20 >=20 > > But firefox has the same action as IE... > >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On = Behalf > > Of Dave J. Hala Jr. > > Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 6:58 PM > > To: Cialug > > Subject: Re: [Cialug] OT: Issues with CSS > >=20 > >=20 > > IE5 and IE6 sometimes does some funky stuff with CSS, that Mozilla = and > > Firefox handle properly... > >=20 > >=20 > > On Fri, 2005-03-04 at 18:50, jcbailey@code0.net wrote: > > > I don't THINK so.... I've only tested it with IE5/IE6/FF 1.0.1... > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > Jon > > >=20 > > > > John: > > > > Using Mozilla Firefox 1.0 on Linux, and Konqueror 3.3.2 on = Linux, I > > > > see both DIVs disappear. To test, I also added a DIV without a = class, > > > > just to make sure. Could it be a browser rendering issue? > > > > > > > > On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:16:41 -0600 (CST), jcbailey@code0.net > > > > wrote: > > > >> Yes, this is a repost for anyone that is also on the CIAPUG = list.... > > > >> > > > >> ---snip--- > > > >> > > > >> First, here is the HTML - next, the issue... (well, at least = the > > > >> relavent > > > >> stuff). > > > >> > > > >> page.htm: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>
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> > > >> > > > >> admin.css: > > > >> .menubox { > > > >> padding: 2px; > > > >> width: 194px; > > > >> margin-top: 10px; > > > >> margin-bottom: 10px; > > > >> border: 1px solid #b1b1b1; > > > >> background: #fff; > > > >> font-family: Sans-Serif; > > > >> font-size: 10pt; > > > >> } > > > >> > > > >> admin-print.css: > > > >> .menubox { display: none; } > > > >> > > > >> The issue is that when I switch to the print format, any DIVs = with an ID > > > >> tag set don't disappear. The ones with no ID tag set disappear = like they > > > >> should. Any ideas? > > > >> > > > >> Jon > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> Cialug mailing list > > > >> Cialug@cialug.org > > > >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Mark Hesseltine > > > > mailto:markhesseltine@gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Cialug mailing list > > > > Cialug@cialug.org > > > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > > > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Cialug mailing list > > > Cialug@cialug.org > > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > --=20 > >=20 > > Open Source Information Systems (OSIS) > > Dave J. Hala Jr. > > 641.485.1606 > >=20 > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug@cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug@cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Sat Mar 5 01:39:31 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Bailey, Jonathan C) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 19:39:31 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Issues with CSS Message-ID: Looks like the issue is the JavaScript doing the following: document.getElementById('divname').style.display =3D 'block'; and the CSS attempts to set it to none, but it shows up as setting style = within the original DIV tag. Jon -----Original Message----- From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On Behalf Of Bailey, Jonathan C Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 7:32 PM To: cialug@cialug.org Subject: RE: [Cialug] OT: Issues with CSS Ok... I'm a bit closer to fixing it... The DIVs I'm having problems with = are written to with JavaScript. If I make a DIV with class=3Dmenubox and = id=3Dwhatever, it works fine. If I write content to that DIV, it won't = disappear. Here's the (basic) code I'm using for that.... document.getElementById('divname').innerHTML =3D 'whatever'; Jon -----Original Message----- From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On Behalf Of timwilson011@mchsi.com Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 7:26 PM To: cialug@cialug.org Subject: RE: [Cialug] OT: Issues with CSS Ok, I guess I should've kept working on it a little longer. Your code = is incorrect. You need to have quotes around "text/css". Here's the new = code that I got to work: Test
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On the CRT, both content boxes showed up. When I printed it, neither = showed up. Is that what you were looking for? -- Tim W. > Do you have the Firefox Web Developer extension? It's nice. I copied = your code > and tried to validate it and it failed. I looked at the W3C doc, and = found this > as an example: > > type=3D"text/css"> > > > >=20 > I'm still learning this stuff, but it looks like they're saying to = define a > style with media types you want. Check out this link: >=20 > http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/present/styles.html#h-14.4.1 >=20 > -- > Tim W. >=20 >=20 > > But firefox has the same action as IE... > >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On = Behalf > > Of Dave J. Hala Jr. > > Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 6:58 PM > > To: Cialug > > Subject: Re: [Cialug] OT: Issues with CSS > >=20 > >=20 > > IE5 and IE6 sometimes does some funky stuff with CSS, that Mozilla = and > > Firefox handle properly... > >=20 > >=20 > > On Fri, 2005-03-04 at 18:50, jcbailey@code0.net wrote: > > > I don't THINK so.... I've only tested it with IE5/IE6/FF 1.0.1... > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > Jon > > >=20 > > > > John: > > > > Using Mozilla Firefox 1.0 on Linux, and Konqueror 3.3.2 on = Linux, I > > > > see both DIVs disappear. To test, I also added a DIV without a = class, > > > > just to make sure. Could it be a browser rendering issue? > > > > > > > > On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:16:41 -0600 (CST), jcbailey@code0.net > > > > wrote: > > > >> Yes, this is a repost for anyone that is also on the CIAPUG = list.... > > > >> > > > >> ---snip--- > > > >> > > > >> First, here is the HTML - next, the issue... (well, at least = the > > > >> relavent > > > >> stuff). > > > >> > > > >> page.htm: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>
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> > > >> > > > >> admin.css: > > > >> .menubox { > > > >> padding: 2px; > > > >> width: 194px; > > > >> margin-top: 10px; > > > >> margin-bottom: 10px; > > > >> border: 1px solid #b1b1b1; > > > >> background: #fff; > > > >> font-family: Sans-Serif; > > > >> font-size: 10pt; > > > >> } > > > >> > > > >> admin-print.css: > > > >> .menubox { display: none; } > > > >> > > > >> The issue is that when I switch to the print format, any DIVs = with an ID > > > >> tag set don't disappear. The ones with no ID tag set disappear = like they > > > >> should. Any ideas? > > > >> > > > >> Jon > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> Cialug mailing list > > > >> Cialug@cialug.org > > > >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Mark Hesseltine > > > > mailto:markhesseltine@gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Cialug mailing list > > > > Cialug@cialug.org > > > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > > > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Cialug mailing list > > > Cialug@cialug.org > > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > --=20 > >=20 > > Open Source Information Systems (OSIS) > > Dave J. Hala Jr. > > 641.485.1606 > >=20 > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug@cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug@cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Sat Mar 5 21:44:23 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (ralph) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 15:44:23 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] recreating my linux boot References: <20050304215715.33166.qmail@web54001.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004101c521cc$7f3ff4b0$0031d80c@ralph5000> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C5219A.34520D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Once again I've become the victim of DIT's mo bo's and so I need to = reinstall Mandrake 10.0. Unfortunately the system will not recognize the = CD for the distro as bootable for install. What should I do: ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C5219A.34520D80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Once again I've become the victim of = DIT's mo bo's=20 and so I need to reinstall Mandrake 10.0. Unfortunately the system will = not=20 recognize the CD for the distro as bootable for install.  What = should I=20 do:
 
------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C5219A.34520D80-- From cialug@cialug.org Sat Mar 5 22:35:48 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (cialug@cialug.org) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 16:35:48 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] recreating my linux boot In-Reply-To: <004101c521cc$7f3ff4b0$0031d80c@ralph5000> References: <20050304215715.33166.qmail@web54001.mail.yahoo.com> <004101c521cc$7f3ff4b0$0031d80c@ralph5000> Message-ID: <1110062148.422a34449c415@webmail.cs.iastate.edu> Quoting ralph : > Once again I've become the victim of DIT's mo bo's and so I need to reinstall > Mandrake 10.0. Unfortunately the system will not recognize the CD for the > distro as bootable for install. What should I do: > You can make a boot floppy off the floppy images that should be on any decent distro's install disc! From cialug@cialug.org Sun Mar 6 05:22:42 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Barry Von Ahsen) Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 23:22:42 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] recreating my linux boot In-Reply-To: <004101c521cc$7f3ff4b0$0031d80c@ralph5000> References: <20050304215715.33166.qmail@web54001.mail.yahoo.com> <004101c521cc$7f3ff4b0$0031d80c@ralph5000> Message-ID: <422A93A2.3030804@vonahsen.com> ralph wrote: > Once again I've become the victim of DIT's mo bo's and so I need to reinstall Mandrake 10.0. Unfortunately the system will not recognize the CD for the distro as bootable for install. What should I do: > double check that the bios is set to boot from cd, and that the cd is okay -barry From cialug@cialug.org Sun Mar 6 20:22:08 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (ralph) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 14:22:08 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] recreating my linux boot References: <20050304215715.33166.qmail@web54001.mail.yahoo.com> <004101c521cc$7f3ff4b0$0031d80c@ralph5000> <422A93A2.3030804@vonahsen.com> Message-ID: <000701c5228a$2c5757c0$0031d80c@ralph5000> >From the notes at the Mandrake site, one needs to boot up from CD2. There is an oops with CD1. Having said that, I'm still having problems in that Mandrake Linux doesn't recognize my SIS video card--KNOPPIX does btw. Again how do I go from here as when I issue the startx command from Mandrake, an error message comes up with an error in the etc/XFree86 file. Thanks all ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Von Ahsen" To: Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 11:22 PM Subject: Re: [Cialug] recreating my linux boot > ralph wrote: >> Once again I've become the victim of DIT's mo bo's and so I need to >> reinstall Mandrake 10.0. Unfortunately the system will not recognize the >> CD for the distro as bootable for install. What should I do: >> > > double check that the bios is set to boot from cd, and that the cd is okay > > -barry > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From cialug@cialug.org Mon Mar 7 17:03:51 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 11:03:51 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] recreating my linux boot In-Reply-To: <000701c5228a$2c5757c0$0031d80c@ralph5000> References: <20050304215715.33166.qmail@web54001.mail.yahoo.com> <004101c521cc$7f3ff4b0$0031d80c@ralph5000> <422A93A2.3030804@vonahsen.com> <000701c5228a$2c5757c0$0031d80c@ralph5000> Message-ID: <422C8977.60205@visionary.com> You should be able to boot from CD1 or CD2, hit the key (F1?) for "more boot options" and type "rescue" at the prompt if you need to redo your lilo or something like that. For your video card, is Knoppix loading a specific driver, or using Framebuffer? I'd guess its Framebuffer, and you can tell Mandrake to use that driver as well. p.s. SIS is Chinese for "Piece of Junk". -dc ralph wrote: > From the notes at the Mandrake site, one needs to boot up from CD2. > There is an oops with CD1. Having said that, I'm still having problems > in that Mandrake Linux doesn't recognize my SIS video card--KNOPPIX does > btw. Again how do I go from here as when I issue the startx command from > Mandrake, an error message comes up with an error in the etc/XFree86 file. > Thanks all > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Von Ahsen" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 11:22 PM > Subject: Re: [Cialug] recreating my linux boot > > >> ralph wrote: >> >>> Once again I've become the victim of DIT's mo bo's and so I need to >>> reinstall Mandrake 10.0. Unfortunately the system will not recognize >>> the CD for the distro as bootable for install. What should I do: >>> >> >> double check that the bios is set to boot from cd, and that the cd is >> okay >> >> -barry From cialug@cialug.org Mon Mar 7 17:21:14 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (cialug@cialug.org) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 17:21:14 +0000 Subject: [Cialug] recreating my linux boot Message-ID: <030720051721.458.422C8D89000A547F000001CA2197926761CECECF02019C04079903079B@mchsi.com> SIS => Seriously Inferior Sh*t -- Tim W. > You should be able to boot from CD1 or CD2, hit the key (F1?) for "more > boot options" and type "rescue" at the prompt if you need to redo your > lilo or something like that. > > For your video card, is Knoppix loading a specific driver, or using > Framebuffer? I'd guess its Framebuffer, and you can tell Mandrake to use > that driver as well. > > p.s. SIS is Chinese for "Piece of Junk". > > -dc > > ralph wrote: > > From the notes at the Mandrake site, one needs to boot up from CD2. > > There is an oops with CD1. Having said that, I'm still having problems > > in that Mandrake Linux doesn't recognize my SIS video card--KNOPPIX does > > btw. Again how do I go from here as when I issue the startx command from > > Mandrake, an error message comes up with an error in the etc/XFree86 file. > > Thanks all > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Von Ahsen" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 11:22 PM > > Subject: Re: [Cialug] recreating my linux boot > > > > > >> ralph wrote: > >> > >>> Once again I've become the victim of DIT's mo bo's and so I need to > >>> reinstall Mandrake 10.0. Unfortunately the system will not recognize > >>> the CD for the distro as bootable for install. What should I do: > >>> > >> > >> double check that the bios is set to boot from cd, and that the cd is > >> okay > >> > >> -barry > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Mon Mar 7 20:33:37 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (D. Joe Anderson) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 14:33:37 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Iowa Municipal Telecom Legisation In-Reply-To: <421B5F3E.1030101@visionary.com> References: <421B5F3E.1030101@visionary.com> Message-ID: <20050307203337.GC26146@etrumeus.com> On Tue, Feb 22, 2005 at 10:35:10AM -0600, David Champion wrote: > Anyone familiar with this: > > http://www.freepress.net/communityinternet/=IAbill > > There are several people here in the ISP business... how do you feel > about this? > > IMHO this bill over regulates Muni telecom projects, and puts cities at > a big disadvantage compared to the private sector. If a city really > wants to do one, they should be allowed to do it. Letter to the Register yesterday on this topic, from Bob Haug, executive director, Iowa Association of Municipal Utilities: http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050306/OPINION04/503060325/1035/archive -- D. Joe Anderson http://www.etrumeus.com/~deejoe deejoe@raccoon.com deejoe@etrumeus.com You're free. Now go help the others. From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 8 20:54:56 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Jonathan Bailey) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 14:54:56 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Suggestions: Postfix+MySQL + what mailing list manager? Message-ID: <422E1120.9070509@code0.net> I've already got a Postfix/MySQL setup. It pulls domains, users, forwarders from a database. I'd like to add a mailing list manager. I've been thinking Mailman, but from what I've read, it still uses hash tables. I'd like to have something where I could use MySQL as a back-end (so I could update the mysql database with the list users, list names, etc - per domain). Anyone have any suggestions for what software to use? Jon From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 8 20:57:29 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 14:57:29 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Suggestions: Postfix+MySQL + what mailing list manager? In-Reply-To: <422E1120.9070509@code0.net> References: <422E1120.9070509@code0.net> Message-ID: <422E11B9.5010304@visionary.com> Jonathan Bailey wrote: > I've already got a Postfix/MySQL setup. It pulls domains, users, > forwarders from a database. I'd like to add a mailing list manager. I've > been thinking Mailman, but from what I've read, it still uses hash > tables. I'd like to have something where I could use MySQL as a back-end > (so I could update the mysql database with the list users, list names, > etc - per domain). Anyone have any suggestions for what software to use? > Mailman been berry berry good to me. -dc From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 8 21:00:05 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Dave J. Hala Jr.) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 15:00:05 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Suggestions: Postfix+MySQL + what mailing list manager? In-Reply-To: <422E1120.9070509@code0.net> References: <422E1120.9070509@code0.net> Message-ID: <1110315605.29628.786.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com> Are you considering becoming a spammer or something? On Tue, 2005-03-08 at 14:54, Jonathan Bailey wrote: > I've already got a Postfix/MySQL setup. It pulls domains, users, > forwarders from a database. I'd like to add a mailing list manager. I've > been thinking Mailman, but from what I've read, it still uses hash > tables. I'd like to have something where I could use MySQL as a back-end > (so I could update the mysql database with the list users, list names, > etc - per domain). Anyone have any suggestions for what software to use? > > > > Jon > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -- Open Source Information Systems (OSIS) Dave J. Hala Jr. 641.485.1606 From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 8 21:06:06 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Dave Weis) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 15:06:06 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Suggestions: Postfix+MySQL + what mailing list manager? In-Reply-To: <422E1120.9070509@code0.net> References: <422E1120.9070509@code0.net> Message-ID: <422E13BE.6030202@internetsolver.com> Jonathan Bailey wrote: > I've already got a Postfix/MySQL setup. It pulls domains, users, > forwarders from a database. I'd like to add a mailing list manager. I've > been thinking Mailman, but from what I've read, it still uses hash > tables. I'd like to have something where I could use MySQL as a back-end > (so I could update the mysql database with the list users, list names, > etc - per domain). Anyone have any suggestions for what software to use? Doesn't exist, sorry :-( How did you get postfix configured though? What are you using for your pop/imap server? From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 8 21:03:31 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 15:03:31 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Suggestions: Postfix+MySQL + what mailing list manag er? Message-ID: I'll second that, Mailman is good. At least compared to what else is available. -Nate -----Original Message----- From: David Champion [mailto:dave@visionary.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 2:57 PM To: cialug@cialug.org Subject: Re: [Cialug] Suggestions: Postfix+MySQL + what mailing list manager? Jonathan Bailey wrote: > I've already got a Postfix/MySQL setup. It pulls domains, users, > forwarders from a database. I'd like to add a mailing list manager. I've > been thinking Mailman, but from what I've read, it still uses hash > tables. I'd like to have something where I could use MySQL as a back-end > (so I could update the mysql database with the list users, list names, > etc - per domain). Anyone have any suggestions for what software to use? > Mailman been berry berry good to me. -dc _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 8 21:04:46 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Tom Pohl) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 15:04:46 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Suggestions: Postfix+MySQL + what mailing list manager? In-Reply-To: <422E1120.9070509@code0.net> References: <422E1120.9070509@code0.net> Message-ID: <036da7b0ad7a6ca88b5ee652b733af97@tcpconsulting.com> I have users using ezmlm with mysql on the backend. -Tom On Mar 8, 2005, at 2:54 PM, Jonathan Bailey wrote: > I've already got a Postfix/MySQL setup. It pulls domains, users, > forwarders from a database. I'd like to add a mailing list manager. > I've been thinking Mailman, but from what I've read, it still uses > hash tables. I'd like to have something where I could use MySQL as a > back-end (so I could update the mysql database with the list users, > list names, etc - per domain). Anyone have any suggestions for what > software to use? > > > > Jon > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 8 21:06:08 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 15:06:08 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] imapd / xinet.d Message-ID: <422E13C0.2060106@visionary.com> I have a mandrake server, there is a "imapd" script in the /etc/xinet.d, which calls /usr/sbin/imapd. Everything seems to be in order as far as groups and permissions go, but I can't make imap conections. There's no firewall rules at the moment. If I nmap it, it doesn't show 143 (imap) available. Any ideas? -dc From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 8 21:09:06 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Jerry Weida) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 15:09:06 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] imapd / xinet.d In-Reply-To: <422E13C0.2060106@visionary.com> References: <422E13C0.2060106@visionary.com> Message-ID: <40e57b5f05030813093532ff07@mail.gmail.com> I know in FreeBSD a lot can be found by looking at the /var/log/maillog file. The daemon will print out error information in there. On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 15:06:08 -0600, David Champion wrote: > I have a mandrake server, there is a "imapd" script in the /etc/xinet.d, > which calls /usr/sbin/imapd. Everything seems to be in order as far as > groups and permissions go, but I can't make imap conections. > > There's no firewall rules at the moment. If I nmap it, it doesn't show > 143 (imap) available. > > Any ideas? > > -dc > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 8 21:12:17 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (David Stout) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:12:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Cialug] E-mail response Message-ID: <20050308211217.58585.qmail@web54010.mail.yahoo.com> --0-265955094-1110316337=:56229 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have a web form and when the user clicks the submit button I would like to have it send the contents of the form to an e-mail address. Can this be done in HTML? David Stout Business Forms Analyst & Student --------------------------------- Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web --0-265955094-1110316337=:56229 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I have a web form and when the user clicks the submit button I would like to have it send the contents of the form to an e-mail address. Can this be done in HTML?


David Stout
Business Forms Analyst & Student

Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday!
Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web --0-265955094-1110316337=:56229-- From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 8 21:19:18 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Dave Weis) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 15:19:18 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] imapd / xinet.d In-Reply-To: <422E13C0.2060106@visionary.com> References: <422E13C0.2060106@visionary.com> Message-ID: <422E16D6.7010603@internetsolver.com> Is xinetd running? David Champion wrote: > I have a mandrake server, there is a "imapd" script in the /etc/xinet.d, > which calls /usr/sbin/imapd. Everything seems to be in order as far as > groups and permissions go, but I can't make imap conections. > > There's no firewall rules at the moment. If I nmap it, it doesn't show > 143 (imap) available. From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 8 21:15:05 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Jerry Weida) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 15:15:05 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] E-mail response In-Reply-To: <20050308211217.58585.qmail@web54010.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050308211217.58585.qmail@web54010.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <40e57b5f05030813157b88aeb1@mail.gmail.com> Straight HTML? I'm afraid not. You would need perl, php, or even a shell script to interact with the mail system. This might be possible with SHTML, but I don't believe so. On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:12:17 -0800 (PST), David Stout wrote: > I have a web form and when the user clicks the submit button I would like to > have it send the contents of the form to an e-mail address. Can this be done > in HTML? > > David Stout > Business Forms Analyst & Student > > ________________________________ > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! > Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > ________________________________ > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! > Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > > From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 8 21:13:43 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Jon Clemons) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 15:13:43 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Suggestions: Postfix+MySQL + what mailing list manager? References: <422E1120.9070509@code0.net> <422E13BE.6030202@internetsolver.com> Message-ID: <085c01c52423$b52233a0$800101df@JON> It does exist. See www.sympa.org It is so simple to setup even a monkey could make it work. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Weis" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [Cialug] Suggestions: Postfix+MySQL + what mailing list manager? > > Jonathan Bailey wrote: >> I've already got a Postfix/MySQL setup. It pulls domains, users, >> forwarders from a database. I'd like to add a mailing list manager. I've >> been thinking Mailman, but from what I've read, it still uses hash >> tables. I'd like to have something where I could use MySQL as a back-end >> (so I could update the mysql database with the list users, list names, >> etc - per domain). Anyone have any suggestions for what software to use? > > Doesn't exist, sorry :-( > > How did you get postfix configured though? What are you using for your > pop/imap server? > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 8 21:15:05 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Jerry Weida) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 15:15:05 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] E-mail response In-Reply-To: <20050308211217.58585.qmail@web54010.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050308211217.58585.qmail@web54010.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <40e57b5f05030813157b88aeb1@mail.gmail.com> Straight HTML? I'm afraid not. You would need perl, php, or even a shell script to interact with the mail system. This might be possible with SHTML, but I don't believe so. On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:12:17 -0800 (PST), David Stout wrote: > I have a web form and when the user clicks the submit button I would like to > have it send the contents of the form to an e-mail address. Can this be done > in HTML? > > David Stout > Business Forms Analyst & Student > > ________________________________ > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! > Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > ________________________________ > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! > Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > > From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 8 21:17:34 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 15:17:34 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] E-mail response Message-ID: Not without a scripting language on the back-end. -----Original Message----- From: David Stout [mailto:ragbrai65@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 3:12 PM To: cialug@cialug.org Subject: [Cialug] E-mail response I have a web form and when the user clicks the submit button I would like to have it send the contents of the form to an e-mail address. Can this be done in HTML? David Stout Business Forms Analyst & Student Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 8 21:17:24 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (David Stout) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:17:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Cialug] E-mail response In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050308211724.48250.qmail@web54009.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1946638817-1110316644=:43902 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Is is simple to do using PHP? Jerry Weida wrote:Straight HTML? I'm afraid not. You would need perl, php, or even a shell script to interact with the mail system. This might be possible with SHTML, but I don't believe so. On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:12:17 -0800 (PST), David Stout wrote: > I have a web form and when the user clicks the submit button I would like to > have it send the contents of the form to an e-mail address. Can this be done > in HTML? > > David Stout > Business Forms Analyst & Student > > ________________________________ > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! > Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > ________________________________ > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! > Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > > _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug David Stout Business Forms Analyst & Student __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1946638817-1110316644=:43902 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Is is simple to do using PHP?

Jerry Weida <jweida@gmail.com> wrote:
Straight HTML? I'm afraid not. You would need perl, php, or even a
shell script to interact with the mail system. This might be possible
with SHTML, but I don't believe so.


On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:12:17 -0800 (PST), David Stout
wrote:
> I have a web form and when the user clicks the submit button I would like to
> have it send the contents of the form to an e-mail address. Can this be done
> in HTML?
>
> David Stout
> Business Forms Analyst & Student
>
> ________________________________
> Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday!
> Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web
> ________________________________
> Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday!
> Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web
>
>
_______________________________________________
Cialug mailing list
Cialug@cialug.org
http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug


David Stout
Business Forms Analyst & Student

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1946638817-1110316644=:43902-- From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 8 21:20:27 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Jerry Weida) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 15:20:27 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] E-mail response In-Reply-To: <20050308211724.48250.qmail@web54009.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050308211724.48250.qmail@web54009.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <40e57b5f050308132041ac7563@mail.gmail.com> Yeah, pretty simple. There's a lot more you can do, but this is the simplest implemenation. On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:17:24 -0800 (PST), David Stout wrote: > Is is simple to do using PHP? > > Jerry Weida wrote: > Straight HTML? I'm afraid not. You would need perl, php, or even a > shell script to interact with the mail system. This might be possible > with SHTML, but I don't believe so. > > > On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:12:17 -0800 (PST), David Stout > wrote: > > I have a web form and when the user clicks the submit button I would like > to > > have it send the contents of the form to an e-mail address. Can this be > done > > in HTML? > > > > David Stout > > Business Forms Analyst & Student > > > > ________________________________ > > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! > > Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > > ________________________________ > > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! > > Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > David Stout > Business Forms Analyst & Student > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 8 21:30:06 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Dave Weis) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 15:30:06 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] E-mail response In-Reply-To: <40e57b5f05030813157b88aeb1@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050308211217.58585.qmail@web54010.mail.yahoo.com> <40e57b5f05030813157b88aeb1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <422E195E.1020005@internetsolver.com> Jerry Weida wrote: > Straight HTML? I'm afraid not. You would need perl, php, or even a > shell script to interact with the mail system. This might be possible > with SHTML, but I don't believe so. > > On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:12:17 -0800 (PST), David Stout > wrote: > >>I have a web form and when the user clicks the submit button I would like to >>have it send the contents of the form to an e-mail address. Can this be done >>in HTML? Actually you can set the form action to mailto:myaddress@here.com and do it all on the client side. Some browsers pop up scary security messages but it does work. From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 8 21:25:05 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Korver, Aaron) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 15:25:05 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] E-mail response Message-ID: <0205C50D41B7D611AEA50002A537CEC20328EB61@DES10MS01> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C52425.4BCF8BD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Jerry Weida wrote: > > Straight HTML? I'm afraid not. You would need perl, php, or even a > > shell script to interact with the mail system. This might > be possible > > with SHTML, but I don't believe so. > > > > On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:12:17 -0800 (PST), David Stout > > wrote: > > > >>I have a web form and when the user clicks the submit > button I would like to > >>have it send the contents of the form to an e-mail address. > Can this be done > >>in HTML? > > Actually you can set the form action to > mailto:myaddress@here.com and do > it all on the client side. Some browsers pop up scary > security messages > but it does work. This assumes that you have an e-mail client setup on the client and that it understands the mailto: URL link. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C52425.4BCF8BD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: [Cialug] E-mail response

> Jerry Weida wrote:
> > Straight HTML?  I'm afraid not.  You would need perl, php, or even a
> > shell script to interact with the mail system.  This might
> be possible
> > with SHTML, but I don't believe so.
> >
> > On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:12:17 -0800 (PST), David Stout
> > <ragbrai65@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >>I have a web form and when the user clicks the submit
> button I would like to
> >>have it send the contents of the form to an e-mail address.
> Can this be done
> >>in HTML?
>
> Actually you can set the form action to
> mailto:myaddress@here.com and do
> it all on the client side. Some browsers pop up scary
> security messages
> but it does work.

This assumes that you have an e-mail client setup on the client and that it understands the mailto: URL link.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C52425.4BCF8BD0-- From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 8 21:30:21 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 15:30:21 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] imapd / xinet.d In-Reply-To: <422E16D6.7010603@internetsolver.com> References: <422E13C0.2060106@visionary.com> <422E16D6.7010603@internetsolver.com> Message-ID: <422E196D.4050700@visionary.com> D'oh. The xinetd rpm isn't even installed. I *assumed* since there were scripts in /etc/xinet.d/ that meant xinetd was installed. But... NOOOOO. Thanks. -dc Dave Weis wrote: > > Is xinetd running? > > David Champion wrote: > >> I have a mandrake server, there is a "imapd" script in the >> /etc/xinet.d, which calls /usr/sbin/imapd. Everything seems to be in >> order as far as groups and permissions go, but I can't make imap >> conections. >> >> There's no firewall rules at the moment. If I nmap it, it doesn't show >> 143 (imap) available. From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 8 21:30:08 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (David Stout) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:30:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Cialug] E-mail response In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050308213008.64020.qmail@web54010.mail.yahoo.com> --0-80201140-1110317408=:62774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks Jerry. I can figure it out from here. If I run into a snag I'll pick up a book from a coworker. Jerry Weida wrote:Yeah, pretty simple. $message = "This is your sample message"; $to = "webmaster@example.net"; $subjet = "This is the subject"; mail($to, $subject, $message); ?> There's a lot more you can do, but this is the simplest implemenation. On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:17:24 -0800 (PST), David Stout wrote: > Is is simple to do using PHP? > > Jerry Weida wrote: > Straight HTML? I'm afraid not. You would need perl, php, or even a > shell script to interact with the mail system. This might be possible > with SHTML, but I don't believe so. > > > On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:12:17 -0800 (PST), David Stout > wrote: > > I have a web form and when the user clicks the submit button I would like > to > > have it send the contents of the form to an e-mail address. Can this be > done > > in HTML? > > > > David Stout > > Business Forms Analyst & Student > > > > ________________________________ > > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! > > Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > > ________________________________ > > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! > > Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > David Stout > Business Forms Analyst & Student > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug David Stout Business Forms Analyst & Student --------------------------------- Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web --0-80201140-1110317408=:62774 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Thanks Jerry. I can figure it out from here. If I run into a snag I'll pick up a book from a coworker.

Jerry Weida <jweida@gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah, pretty simple.

$message = "This is your sample message";
$to = "webmaster@example.net";
$subjet = "This is the subject";
mail($to, $subject, $message);
?>

There's a lot more you can do, but this is the simplest implemenation.

On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:17:24 -0800 (PST), David Stout
wrote:
> Is is simple to do using PHP?
>
> Jerry Weida wrote:
> Straight HTML? I'm afraid not. You would need perl, php, or even a
> shell script to interact with the mail system. This might be possible
> with SHTML, but I don't believe so.
>
>
> On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:12:17 -0800 (PST), David Stout
> wrote:
> > I have a web form and when the user clicks the submit button I would like
> to
> > have it send the contents of the form to an e-mail address. Can this be
> done
> > in HTML?
> >
> > David Stout
> > Business Forms Analyst & Student
> >
> > ________________________________
> > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday!
> > Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web
> > ________________________________
> > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday!
> > Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug@cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
>
> David Stout
> Business Forms Analyst & Student
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> http://mail.yahoo.com
_______________________________________________
Cialug mailing list
Cialug@cialug.org
http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug


David Stout
Business Forms Analyst & Student

Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday!
Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web --0-80201140-1110317408=:62774-- From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 8 21:39:56 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (David Stout) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:39:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Cialug] E-mail response In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050308213957.67488.qmail@web54010.mail.yahoo.com> --0-224235244-1110317996=:64827 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This did work and I did get the pop up message but I think this will work for what I am doing. Thank you. Is it possible to have two actions in a form for example
wrote: Jerry Weida wrote: > Straight HTML? I'm afraid not. You would need perl, php, or even a > shell script to interact with the mail system. This might be possible > with SHTML, but I don't believe so. > > On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:12:17 -0800 (PST), David Stout > wrote: > >>I have a web form and when the user clicks the submit button I would like to >>have it send the contents of the form to an e-mail address. Can this be done >>in HTML? Actually you can set the form action to mailto:myaddress@here.com and do it all on the client side. Some browsers pop up scary security messages but it does work. _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug David Stout Business Forms Analyst & Student --------------------------------- Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web --0-224235244-1110317996=:64827 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
This did work and I did get the pop up message but I think this will work for what I am doing.
Thank you.
 
Is it possible to have two actions in a form for example
<form action="mailto:whatever@yahoo.com" action="submit.html"

Dave Weis <djweis@internetsolver.com> wrote:


Jerry Weida wrote:
> Straight HTML? I'm afraid not. You would need perl, php, or even a
> shell script to interact with the mail system. This might be possible
> with SHTML, but I don't believe so.
>
> On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:12:17 -0800 (PST), David Stout
> wrote:
>
>>I have a web form and when the user clicks the submit button I would like to
>>have it send the contents of the form to an e-mail address. Can this be done
>>in HTML?

Actually you can set the form action to mailto:myaddress@here.com and do
it all on the client side. Some browsers pop up scary security messages
but it does work.

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Business Forms Analyst & Student

Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday!
Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web --0-224235244-1110317996=:64827-- From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 8 21:42:06 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Bailey, Jonathan C) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 15:42:06 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Suggestions: Postfix+MySQL + what mailing list manager? Message-ID: virtual_alias_maps =3D mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_alias_maps.cf virtual_gid_maps =3D static:1008 virtual_mailbox_base =3D /home/mail virtual_mailbox_domains =3D = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_domains_maps.cf virtual_mailbox_limit =3D 51200000 virtual_mailbox_maps =3D = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_mailbox_maps.cf virtual_minimum_uid =3D 1008 virtual_transport =3D virtual virtual_uid_maps =3D static:1008 Oh, and courier-imap/courier-pop... As I understand, mailman adds to = the virtual_mailbox_maps with a hash file. Is there any easy way to = add/delete from a web interface (ya,ya, I know one is included, but I = have a domain admin already written). Jon -----Original Message----- From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On Behalf Of Dave Weis Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 3:06 PM To: cialug@cialug.org Subject: Re: [Cialug] Suggestions: Postfix+MySQL + what mailing list manager? Jonathan Bailey wrote: > I've already got a Postfix/MySQL setup. It pulls domains, users,=20 > forwarders from a database. I'd like to add a mailing list manager. = I've=20 > been thinking Mailman, but from what I've read, it still uses hash=20 > tables. I'd like to have something where I could use MySQL as a = back-end=20 > (so I could update the mysql database with the list users, list names, = > etc - per domain). Anyone have any suggestions for what software to = use? Doesn't exist, sorry :-( How did you get postfix configured though? What are you using for your=20 pop/imap server? _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 8 22:21:18 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (David Stout) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 14:21:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Cialug] two actions Message-ID: <20050308222118.58257.qmail@web54007.mail.yahoo.com> --0-36485041-1110320478=:57717 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Is it possible to have two actions in a form for example
Is it possible to have two actions in a form for example
<form action="mailto:whatever@yahoo.com" action="submit.html"


David Stout
Business Forms Analyst & Student

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
http://mail.yahoo.com --0-36485041-1110320478=:57717-- From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 8 22:28:15 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Dave Weis) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 16:28:15 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Suggestions: Postfix+MySQL + what mailing list manager? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <422E26FF.2080007@internetsolver.com> Bailey, Jonathan C wrote: > > virtual_alias_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_alias_maps.cf > virtual_gid_maps = static:1008 > virtual_mailbox_base = /home/mail > virtual_mailbox_domains = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_domains_maps.cf > virtual_mailbox_limit = 51200000 > virtual_mailbox_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_mailbox_maps.cf > virtual_minimum_uid = 1008 > virtual_transport = virtual > virtual_uid_maps = static:1008 > > Oh, and courier-imap/courier-pop... As I understand, mailman adds to the virtual_mailbox_maps with a hash file. Is there any easy way to add/delete from a web interface (ya,ya, I know one is included, but I have a domain admin already written). Can you also have non-virtual /etc/passwd users on the same box and get mail in the normal fashion? dave From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 8 22:23:30 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Jerry Weida) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 16:23:30 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] two actions In-Reply-To: <20050308222118.58257.qmail@web54007.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050308222118.58257.qmail@web54007.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <40e57b5f05030814235a800cbd@mail.gmail.com> I'm not sure if this is possible, but it's usually best to have your "submit.html" action handle whatever other action you want to happen. On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 14:21:18 -0800 (PST), David Stout wrote: > > Is it possible to have two actions in a form for example > > David Stout > Business Forms Analyst & Student > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 8 22:26:36 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Bailey, Jonathan C) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 16:26:36 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Suggestions: Postfix+MySQL + what mailing list manager? Message-ID: I believe I can, but I don't usually do it that way. Jon -----Original Message----- From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On Behalf Of Dave Weis Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 4:28 PM To: cialug@cialug.org Subject: Re: [Cialug] Suggestions: Postfix+MySQL + what mailing list manager? Bailey, Jonathan C wrote: >=20 > virtual_alias_maps =3D mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_alias_maps.cf > virtual_gid_maps =3D static:1008 > virtual_mailbox_base =3D /home/mail > virtual_mailbox_domains =3D = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_domains_maps.cf > virtual_mailbox_limit =3D 51200000 > virtual_mailbox_maps =3D = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_mailbox_maps.cf > virtual_minimum_uid =3D 1008 > virtual_transport =3D virtual > virtual_uid_maps =3D static:1008 >=20 > Oh, and courier-imap/courier-pop... As I understand, mailman adds to = the virtual_mailbox_maps with a hash file. Is there any easy way to = add/delete from a web interface (ya,ya, I know one is included, but I = have a domain admin already written). Can you also have non-virtual /etc/passwd users on the same box and get=20 mail in the normal fashion? dave _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 8 22:26:20 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Jon Clemons) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 16:26:20 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Suggestions: Postfix+MySQL + what mailing list manager? References: Message-ID: <09d701c5242d$dd2e6260$800101df@JON> Yes with Postfix you can. You can specify any number of maps whether local passwd or virtual maps that read from LDAP or SQL. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bailey, Jonathan C" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 4:26 PM Subject: RE: [Cialug] Suggestions: Postfix+MySQL + what mailing list manager? I believe I can, but I don't usually do it that way. Jon -----Original Message----- From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On Behalf Of Dave Weis Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 4:28 PM To: cialug@cialug.org Subject: Re: [Cialug] Suggestions: Postfix+MySQL + what mailing list manager? Bailey, Jonathan C wrote: > > virtual_alias_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_alias_maps.cf > virtual_gid_maps = static:1008 > virtual_mailbox_base = /home/mail > virtual_mailbox_domains = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_domains_maps.cf > virtual_mailbox_limit = 51200000 > virtual_mailbox_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_mailbox_maps.cf > virtual_minimum_uid = 1008 > virtual_transport = virtual > virtual_uid_maps = static:1008 > > Oh, and courier-imap/courier-pop... As I understand, mailman adds to the > virtual_mailbox_maps with a hash file. Is there any easy way to add/delete > from a web interface (ya,ya, I know one is included, but I have a domain > admin already written). Can you also have non-virtual /etc/passwd users on the same box and get mail in the normal fashion? dave _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 9 00:13:37 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 18:13:37 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] meeting topics Message-ID: <422E3FB1.1000603@visionary.com> Any suggestions / volunteers for meeting topics this month? Anyone done anything nifty lately, say, like... set up postfix & mysql? :p -dc From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 9 00:12:18 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (cialug@cialug.org) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 18:12:18 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Cialug] meeting topics In-Reply-To: <422E3FB1.1000603@visionary.com> References: <422E3FB1.1000603@visionary.com> Message-ID: <37010.63.84.4.1.1110327138.squirrel@63.84.4.1> *cough* Was that some sort of hint? I'd love to, but I work on weeknights... Although, I could have a meeting location :-D. Jon > Any suggestions / volunteers for meeting topics this month? Anyone done > anything nifty lately, say, like... set up postfix & mysql? :p > > -dc > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 9 04:51:24 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Jim Asbille) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 22:51:24 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] E-mail response In-Reply-To: <20050308211217.58585.qmail@web54010.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050308211217.58585.qmail@web54010.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <422E80CC.5000705@gmail.com> David Stout wrote: > I have a web form and when the user clicks the submit button I would > like to have it send the contents of the form to an e-mail address. > Can this be done in HTML? > > > David Stout > Business Forms Analyst & Student > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! > Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > What you want is a "mailto" link. Example follows:

This is a mail link: Send Mail

Note: Spaces between words should be replaced by %20 to ensure that the browser will display your text properly.

-- Jim Asbille, MSM "The box said that I needed to have Windows 98 or better... so I installed Linux." --- LinuxNewbie.org From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 9 06:24:11 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 00:24:11 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] meeting topics Message-ID: I'd like to learn how to use CVS, effectively. -----Original Message----- From: David Champion [mailto:dave@visionary.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 6:14 PM To: cialug@cialug.org Subject: [Cialug] meeting topics Any suggestions / volunteers for meeting topics this month? Anyone done anything nifty lately, say, like... set up postfix & mysql? :p -dc _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 9 13:32:55 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Scott Phillips) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 07:32:55 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] two actions In-Reply-To: <40e57b5f05030814235a800cbd@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050308222118.58257.qmail@web54007.mail.yahoo.com> <20050308222118.58257.qmail@web54007.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20050309073018.00c3af10@mail.drake.edu> --Boundary_(ID_iRdY3W8I6TljBHcOYWqtcg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT No, you can't have two actions like that, but you can probably do something similar with javascript. This doesn't mail anything, but you get the idea: test one
test two
At 04:23 PM 3/8/2005 -0600, you wrote: >I'm not sure if this is possible, but it's usually best to have your >"submit.html" action handle whatever other action you want to happen. > > >On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 14:21:18 -0800 (PST), David Stout > wrote: > > > > Is it possible to have two actions in a form for example > >
> > > David Stout > > Business Forms Analyst & Student > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >Cialug mailing list >Cialug@cialug.org >http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug Scott Phillips Web Developer Cowles Library, Drake University (515) 271-2975 --Boundary_(ID_iRdY3W8I6TljBHcOYWqtcg) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT No, you can't have two actions like that, but you can probably do something similar with javascript.  This doesn't mail anything, but you get the idea:


<html>
<head>
<script language="JavaScript">
<!--
function submitForm()
{
  document.form1.submit();
  alert("submitted");
}
//-->
</script>
</head>
<body>


<form action="" name="form1"
method="post">
test one<input name="name"
type="text"><br>
test two<input name="company"
type="text"><br>
<a href="javascript:submitForm();"><img
src="images/form_t2.gif"></a>
</form>
</body>
</html>
At 04:23 PM 3/8/2005 -0600, you wrote:
I'm not sure if this is possible, but it's usually best to have your
"submit.html" action handle whatever other action you want to happen.


On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 14:21:18 -0800 (PST), David Stout
<ragbrai65@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Is it possible to have two actions in a form for example
> <form action="mailto:whatever@yahoo.com" action="submit.html"
>
> David Stout
> Business Forms Analyst & Student
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> http://mail.yahoo.com
_______________________________________________
Cialug mailing list
Cialug@cialug.org
http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug

Scott Phillips
Web Developer
Cowles Library, Drake University
(515) 271-2975 --Boundary_(ID_iRdY3W8I6TljBHcOYWqtcg)-- From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 9 14:16:21 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Dave Weis) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 08:16:21 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Cialug] meeting topics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Mar 2005, Nathan C. Smith wrote: > I'd like to learn how to use CVS, effectively. I can do a small bit of that, but I'm not terribly advanced. > -----Original Message----- > From: David Champion [mailto:dave@visionary.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 6:14 PM > To: cialug@cialug.org > Subject: [Cialug] meeting topics > > > > Any suggestions / volunteers for meeting topics this month? Anyone done > anything nifty lately, say, like... set up postfix & mysql? :p > > -dc > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -- Dave Weis "I believe there are more instances of the abridgment djweis@sjdjweis.com of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations."- James Madison From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 9 14:24:09 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Kevin C. Smith) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 08:24:09 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] meeting topics In-Reply-To: <422E3FB1.1000603@visionary.com> References: <422E3FB1.1000603@visionary.com> Message-ID: <1110378249.5509.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2005-03-08 at 18:13 -0600, David Champion wrote: > Any suggestions / volunteers for meeting topics this month? Anyone done > anything nifty lately, say, like... set up postfix & mysql? :p > > -dc LDAP anyone? I would be interested in hearing about this. Maybe a small howto, pitfalls, etc. -- Kevin C. Smith From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 9 16:04:04 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (albus) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 10:04:04 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] RE: Meeting Topics Message-ID: <001801c524c1$9de9cb00$0200a8c0@RayJ> LDAP: Heads CVS: Tails Flip the coin. Either sounds good to me. Joel From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 9 17:50:59 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Jonathan Bailey) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 11:50:59 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] FS: Cisco 1924 switch & 2503 router Message-ID: <422F3783.3010503@code0.net> I have a Cisco Catalyst 1924 switch and 2503 router for sale. Taking best offers. Please reply off-list. Thanks! Cisco 2503- - ISDN/2 serial/AUI - AUI transceiver - Console cable - Ethernet patch cord - Power cord Cisco 1924- - 24 port 10mbit switch - 2 100mbit uplinks - Enterprise CatOS v9 Jon From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 9 20:27:15 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Chris Hilton) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 14:27:15 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] meeting topics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <422F5C23.8020401@cs.iastate.edu> I vote for CVS. I should be able to attend this month! Dave Weis wrote: > > On Wed, 9 Mar 2005, Nathan C. Smith wrote: > >> I'd like to learn how to use CVS, effectively. > > > I can do a small bit of that, but I'm not terribly advanced. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: David Champion [mailto:dave@visionary.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 6:14 PM >> To: cialug@cialug.org >> Subject: [Cialug] meeting topics >> >> >> >> Any suggestions / volunteers for meeting topics this month? Anyone done >> anything nifty lately, say, like... set up postfix & mysql? :p >> >> -dc >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> > From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 9 20:27:38 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 14:27:38 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] ColdFusion on Linux Message-ID: <422F5C3A.6090904@visionary.com> Are any of you running ColdFusion services on Linux? If so, what distro are you using, and what Java Application Server? Is tomcat good enough for small to medium sites? -dc From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 9 20:41:51 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 14:41:51 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] ColdFusion on Linux Message-ID: There are two versions of ColdFusion, professional and Enterprise. professional comes with JRUN which you can run CF on. On ColdFusion MX you had to use an older version of redhat Linux (7.x or so) in order to use the Verity Engine. I'm not sure what the case is with the new release but assume you can run it on something more recent. You may be interested in BlueDragon. It is programmable in CFML, and a free version is available, and it runs on Linux. Right now I'm running CF on winders. -Nate (CF'r from way back) -----Original Message----- From: David Champion [mailto:dave@visionary.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 2:28 PM To: cialug@cialug.org Subject: [Cialug] ColdFusion on Linux Are any of you running ColdFusion services on Linux? If so, what distro are you using, and what Java Application Server? Is tomcat good enough for small to medium sites? -dc _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 9 20:43:57 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 14:43:57 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] meeting topics Message-ID: I second that? -----Original Message----- From: Chris Hilton [mailto:chris129@cs.iastate.edu] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 2:27 PM To: cialug@cialug.org Subject: Re: [Cialug] meeting topics I vote for CVS. I should be able to attend this month! Dave Weis wrote: > > On Wed, 9 Mar 2005, Nathan C. Smith wrote: > >> I'd like to learn how to use CVS, effectively. > > > I can do a small bit of that, but I'm not terribly advanced. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: David Champion [mailto:dave@visionary.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 6:14 PM >> To: cialug@cialug.org >> Subject: [Cialug] meeting topics >> >> >> >> Any suggestions / volunteers for meeting topics this month? Anyone >> done anything nifty lately, say, like... set up postfix & mysql? :p >> >> -dc >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> > _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 9 21:19:27 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Tim Berneman) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 15:19:27 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Jef Raskin, "The Humane Interface", Linux, Archy, and more Message-ID: <00e801c524ed$acc1ac70$c802a8c0@tim> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E9_01C524BB.62273C70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A very interesting article and links about the man that championed the macintosh and was instrumental in developing it's GUI interface. He was recently developing "Archy", a new 'zooming' interface that looks interesting. HYPERLINK "http://www.linspire.com/lindows_michaelsminutes.php"http://www.linspire .com/lindows_michaelsminutes.php Tim Berneman -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.4 - Release Date: 3/7/2005 ------=_NextPart_000_00E9_01C524BB.62273C70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

A very = interesting=20 article and links about the man that championed the macintosh and = was=20 instrumental in developing it's GUI interface.  He was recently = developing=20 "Archy", a new 'zooming' interface that looks=20 interesting.
 
  = http://www.l= inspire.com/lindows_michaelsminutes.php
 
Tim=20 Berneman
 

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------=_NextPart_000_00E9_01C524BB.62273C70-- From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 9 21:49:36 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Lee) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 15:49:36 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Jef Raskin, "The Humane Interface", Linux, Archy, and more In-Reply-To: <00e801c524ed$acc1ac70$c802a8c0@tim> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C524BF.98B1A6A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MessageAnother good example of the person putting on the show not being as remembered as the person in front of the camera. UI design is as difficult an area as anything I can imagine in computing. The real problem is you have inovators which are typically at the bottom of the food chain. And imitators at the top. I won't mention any names, although one should be obvious. We are however in the vary place I expect to see real headway made for UI design. An open OS core with a wealth of ideas, and a community willing to implement them. When will the real UI revolution come? The elimination of the mouse and keyboard. You can't keep slapping a new face on the same tools. -----Original Message----- From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On Behalf Of Tim Berneman Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 3:19 PM To: cialug@cialug.org Subject: [Cialug] Jef Raskin, "The Humane Interface", Linux, Archy, and more A very interesting article and links about the man that championed the macintosh and was instrumental in developing it's GUI interface. He was recently developing "Archy", a new 'zooming' interface that looks interesting. http://www.linspire.com/lindows_michaelsminutes.php Tim Berneman -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.4 - Release Date: 3/7/2005 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C524BF.98B1A6A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Another good example of the person putting on the show not = being as=20 remembered as the person in front of the camera.
 
UI=20 design is as difficult an area as anything I can imagine in computing. = The real=20 problem is you have inovators which are typically at the bottom of the = food=20 chain. And imitators at the top. I won't mention any names, although one = should=20 be obvious. We are however in the vary place I expect to see real = headway made=20 for UI design. An open OS core with a wealth of ideas, and a community = willing=20 to implement them.
 
When=20 will the real UI revolution come? The elimination of the mouse and = keyboard. You=20 can't keep slapping a new face on the same tools.
-----Original Message-----
From: = cialug-admin@cialug.org=20 [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On Behalf Of Tim=20 Berneman
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 3:19 = PM
To:=20 cialug@cialug.org
Subject: [Cialug] Jef Raskin, "The Humane=20 Interface", Linux, Archy, and more

A = very interesting=20 article and links about the man that championed the macintosh and = was=20 instrumental in developing it's GUI interface.  He was recently=20 developing "Archy", a new 'zooming' interface that looks=20 interesting.
 
  http://www.l= inspire.com/lindows_michaelsminutes.php
 
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------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C524BF.98B1A6A0-- From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 9 22:24:19 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (cialug@cialug.org) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 17:24:19 -0500 Subject: [Cialug] Jef Raskin, "The Humane Interface", Linux, Archy, and more In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1110407059.422f7793dd370@dreamscapevisionery.com> Let's not get carried away. It's important to remember that the only member of the Macintosh team who remembers Jef having all the ideas before coming to Apple was Jef himself. Other members of the team recently started retelling stories on a wiki which was recently turned into a book. Mr Raskin isn't nearly as responsible for the Macintosh GUI as he would like everyone to believe. Instrumental, certainly, but it was a team effort of some of the brightest and talented minds of the time. Jef had the original idea, but most of it was tossed out even before he left, and still hasn't seen the light of day in an OS these 20 years later. The press is far too quick to give him too much credit. One word to sum up Jef's impact on GUI: "piles" From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 10 15:02:25 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (admin) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:02:25 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] rootkit Message-ID: just ran chkrootkit on my server and found out there may be a damn rootkit installed. what to do what to do? any help here would be hot. ------------------------- want an email address ending in @c0wzftp.com? send an email on over to admin@c0wzftp.com From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 10 14:56:46 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Jerry Weida) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:56:46 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] rootkit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40e57b5f05031006563b843199@mail.gmail.com> Well, as many people will tell you, the only safe thing to do is wipe the system and start over. Depending on the rootkit installed, you may be able to clean it and replace any trojaned executables from your original install source. On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:02:25 -0600, admin wrote: > just ran chkrootkit on my server and found out there may be a damn rootkit > installed. what to do what to do? > > any help here would be hot. > > ------------------------- > want an email address ending in @c0wzftp.com? > send an email on over to admin@c0wzftp.com > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 10 15:09:49 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (admin) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:09:49 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] rootkit In-Reply-To: <40e57b5f05031006563b843199@mail.gmail.com> References: <40e57b5f05031006563b843199@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: ok this raises a second quesiton. would firewalling it (if i can't find the infected files) be sufficent to keep it from doing further damage? or could my box be a zombie now? what exactly do rootkits do? -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Weida To: cialug@cialug.org Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:56:46 -0600 Subject: Re: [Cialug] rootkit > Well, as many people will tell you, the only safe thing to do is wipe > the system and start over. Depending on the rootkit installed, you > may be able to clean it and replace any trojaned executables from your > original install source. > > > On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:02:25 -0600, admin wrote: > > just ran chkrootkit on my server and found out there may be a damn > rootkit > > installed. what to do what to do? > > > > any help here would be hot. > > > > ------------------------- > > want an email address ending in @c0wzftp.com? > > send an email on over to admin@c0wzftp.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug@cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug ------------------------- want an email address ending in @c0wzftp.com? send an email on over to admin@c0wzftp.com From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 10 15:04:23 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Dave J. Hala Jr.) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:04:23 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] rootkit In-Reply-To: <40e57b5f05031006563b843199@mail.gmail.com> References: <40e57b5f05031006563b843199@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1110467062.3869.38.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com> If you do wipe it and reinstall, unplug the ethernet cable from the back while you are re-installing. I've had some older versions of Redhat get root'ed while I was doing a re-install. On Thu, 2005-03-10 at 08:56, Jerry Weida wrote: > Well, as many people will tell you, the only safe thing to do is wipe > the system and start over. Depending on the rootkit installed, you > may be able to clean it and replace any trojaned executables from your > original install source. > > > On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:02:25 -0600, admin wrote: > > just ran chkrootkit on my server and found out there may be a damn rootkit > > installed. what to do what to do? > > > > any help here would be hot. > > > > ------------------------- > > want an email address ending in @c0wzftp.com? > > send an email on over to admin@c0wzftp.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug@cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -- Open Source Information Systems (OSIS) Dave J. Hala Jr. 641.485.1606 From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 10 14:59:51 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Josh More) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:59:51 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] rootkit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1110466791.29452.4.camel@morej.work.alliancetechnologies.net> First, disconnect the box from the net. You can confirm the possible presence with rkhunter: http://www.rootkit.nl/ Then, look at the source for rkhunter and chkrootkit to determine what signature they are looking at. Manually confirm that the rootkit is there. Do *not* edit anything. Once you know for a fact that one is running, you need to make a decision on whether or not to prosecute. If you choose to proceed with legal measures, contact the police and leave the box alone. If you do not, conventional wisdom is to wipe the box and reinstall. That said, I have found that there is a lot to be learned from analyzing the rootkit before the wipe and reinstall. -- -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP morej@alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 On Thu, 2005-03-10 at 09:02 -0600, admin wrote: > just ran chkrootkit on my server and found out there may be a damn rootkit > installed. what to do what to do? > > any help here would be hot. > > > ------------------------- > want an email address ending in @c0wzftp.com? > send an email on over to admin@c0wzftp.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 10 15:06:01 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Jerry Weida) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:06:01 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] rootkit In-Reply-To: References: <40e57b5f05031006563b843199@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <40e57b5f050310070623cb73f7@mail.gmail.com> Rootkits can do a variety of things, but most likely, it will cause a server to run on your machine that a remote user can connect to and gain root privileges without providing a password. Additionally, it may send a notification to the "cracker" that when the machine is online and what the current IP is so that they know when the system is available. Firewalling all of the ports that you do not use could help, but there's not guarantee that they didn't install a trojaned version of a service that you actually are providing (i.e. ssh, ftp, telnet, etc...) On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:09:49 -0600, admin wrote: > ok this raises a second quesiton. would firewalling it (if i can't find > the infected files) be sufficent to keep it from doing further damage? or > could my box be a zombie now? what exactly do rootkits do? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry Weida > To: cialug@cialug.org > Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:56:46 -0600 > Subject: Re: [Cialug] rootkit > > > Well, as many people will tell you, the only safe thing to do is wipe > > the system and start over. Depending on the rootkit installed, you > > may be able to clean it and replace any trojaned executables from your > > original install source. > > > > > > On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:02:25 -0600, admin wrote: > > > just ran chkrootkit on my server and found out there may be a damn > > rootkit > > > installed. what to do what to do? > > > > > > any help here would be hot. > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > want an email address ending in @c0wzftp.com? > > > send an email on over to admin@c0wzftp.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Cialug mailing list > > > Cialug@cialug.org > > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug@cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > ------------------------- > want an email address ending in @c0wzftp.com? > send an email on over to admin@c0wzftp.com > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 10 15:25:26 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (admin) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:25:26 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] rootkit In-Reply-To: <40e57b5f050310070623cb73f7@mail.gmail.com> References: <40e57b5f05031006563b843199@mail.gmail.com> <40e57b5f050310070623cb73f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: i just find it odd that they got in in the first place. that machine is only available on port 80 (apache) i have everything else going across 192.168.* forget doing the legal stuff. i'll learn more by figuring this out on my own. -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Weida To: cialug@cialug.org Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:06:01 -0600 Subject: Re: [Cialug] rootkit > Rootkits can do a variety of things, but most likely, it will cause a > server to run on your machine that a remote user can connect to and > gain root privileges without providing a password. Additionally, it > may send a notification to the "cracker" that when the machine is > online and what the current IP is so that they know when the system is > available. > > Firewalling all of the ports that you do not use could help, but > there's not guarantee that they didn't install a trojaned version of a > service that you actually are providing (i.e. ssh, ftp, telnet, > etc...) > > > On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:09:49 -0600, admin wrote: > > ok this raises a second quesiton. would firewalling it (if i can't > find > > the infected files) be sufficent to keep it from doing further > damage? or > > could my box be a zombie now? what exactly do rootkits do? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jerry Weida > > To: cialug@cialug.org > > Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:56:46 -0600 > > Subject: Re: [Cialug] rootkit > > > > > Well, as many people will tell you, the only safe thing to do is > wipe > > > the system and start over. Depending on the rootkit installed, you > > > may be able to clean it and replace any trojaned executables from > your > > > original install source. > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:02:25 -0600, admin > wrote: > > > > just ran chkrootkit on my server and found out there may be a > damn > > > rootkit > > > > installed. what to do what to do? > > > > > > > > any help here would be hot. > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > want an email address ending in @c0wzftp.com? > > > > send an email on over to admin@c0wzftp.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Cialug mailing list > > > > Cialug@cialug.org > > > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Cialug mailing list > > > Cialug@cialug.org > > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > > ------------------------- > > want an email address ending in @c0wzftp.com? > > send an email on over to admin@c0wzftp.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug@cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug ------------------------- want an email address ending in @c0wzftp.com? send an email on over to admin@c0wzftp.com From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 10 15:27:41 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Daniel Wittenberg) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:27:41 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] rootkit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1110468461.11574.0.camel@forensic.starken.com> Also keep in mind you get false positives from chkrootkit too, run it a few times and make sure it comes out the same. Can you post the output? Dan On Thu, 2005-03-10 at 09:02 -0600, admin wrote: > just ran chkrootkit on my server and found out there may be a damn rootkit > installed. what to do what to do? > > any help here would be hot. -- ======================= Daniel Wittenberg RHCE President/CTO The Starken Group Ltd. http://www.starken.com From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 10 15:47:41 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (admin) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:47:41 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] rootkit In-Reply-To: <1110468461.11574.0.camel@forensic.starken.com> References: <1110468461.11574.0.camel@forensic.starken.com> Message-ID: consistent 5 times over. ROOTDIR is `/' Checking `amd'... not infected Checking `basename'... not infected Checking `biff'... not infected Checking `chfn'... not infected Checking `chsh'... not infected Checking `cron'... not infected Checking `date'... not infected Checking `du'... not infected Checking `dirname'... not infected Checking `echo'... not infected Checking `egrep'... not infected Checking `env'... not infected Checking `find'... not infected Checking `fingerd'... not infected Checking `gpm'... not infected Checking `grep'... not infected Checking `hdparm'... not infected Checking `su'... not infected Checking `ifconfig'... INFECTED Checking `inetd'... not tested Checking `inetdconf'... not found Checking `identd'... not infected Checking `init'... not infected Checking `killall'... not infected Checking `ldsopreload'... can't exec ./strings-static, not tested Checking `login'... not infected Checking `ls'... not infected Checking `lsof'... not infected Checking `mail'... not infected Checking `mingetty'... not infected Checking `netstat'... not infected Checking `named'... not infected Checking `passwd'... not infected Checking `pidof'... not infected Checking `pop2'... not found Checking `pop3'... not found Checking `ps'... not infected Checking `pstree'... INFECTED Checking `rpcinfo'... not infected Checking `rlogind'... not found Checking `rshd'... not found Checking `slogin'... not infected Checking `sendmail'... not infected Checking `sshd'... not infected Checking `syslogd'... not infected Checking `tar'... not infected Checking `tcpd'... not infected Checking `tcpdump'... not infected Checking `top'... not infected Checking `telnetd'... not infected Checking `timed'... not found Checking `traceroute'... not infected Checking `vdir'... not infected Checking `w'... not infected Checking `write'... not infected Checking `aliens'... no suspect files Searching for sniffer's logs, it may take a while... nothing found Searching for HiDrootkit's default dir... nothing found Searching for t0rn's default files and dirs... nothing found Searching for t0rn's v8 defaults... Possible t0rn v8 \(or variation\) rootkit installed Searching for Lion Worm default files and dirs... nothing found Searching for RSHA's default files and dir... nothing found Searching for RH-Sharpe's default files... nothing found Searching for Ambient's rootkit (ark) default files and dirs... nothing found Searching for suspicious files and dirs, it may take a while... /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.0/i386-linux/.packlist /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.0/i386-linux/auto/CGI/.packlist /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/i386-linux/auto/Digest/MD5/.packlist /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/i386-linux/auto/Image/Magick/.packlist /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/i386-linux/auto/DBD/Pg/.packlist /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/i386-linux/auto/Gimp/.packlist /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/i386-linux/auto/MIME/Base64/.packlist /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/i386-linux/auto/Net/SSLeay/.packlist /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/i386-linux/auto/Net/.packlist Searching for LPD Worm files and dirs... nothing found Searching for Ramen Worm files and dirs... nothing found Searching for Maniac files and dirs... nothing found Searching for RK17 files and dirs... nothing found Searching for Ducoci rootkit... nothing found Searching for Adore Worm... nothing found Searching for ShitC Worm... nothing found Searching for Omega Worm... nothing found Searching for Sadmind/IIS Worm... nothing found Searching for MonKit... nothing found Searching for Showtee... Warning: Possible Showtee Rootkit installed Searching for OpticKit... nothing found Searching for T.R.K... nothing found Searching for Mithra... nothing found Searching for OBSD rk v1... nothing found Searching for LOC rootkit... nothing found Searching for Romanian rootkit... /usr/include/file.h /usr/include/proc.h Searching for HKRK rootkit... nothing found Searching for Suckit rootkit... nothing found Searching for Volc rootkit... nothing found Searching for Gold2 rootkit... nothing found Searching for TC2 Worm default files and dirs... nothing found Searching for Anonoying rootkit default files and dirs... nothing found Searching for ZK rootkit default files and dirs... nothing found Searching for ShKit rootkit default files and dirs... nothing found Searching for AjaKit rootkit default files and dirs... nothing found Searching for zaRwT rootkit default files and dirs... nothing found Searching for Madalin rootkit default files... nothing found Searching for Fu rootkit default files... nothing found Searching for ESRK rootkit default files... nothing found Searching for anomalies in shell history files... nothing found Checking `asp'... not infected Checking `bindshell'... not infected Checking `lkm'... Checking `rexedcs'... not found Checking `sniffer'... not tested: can't exec ./ifpromisc Checking `w55808'... not infected Checking `wted'... not tested: can't exec ./chkwtmp Checking `scalper'... not infected Checking `slapper'... not infected Checking `z2'... not tested: can't exec ./chklastlog Checking `chkutmp'... not tested: can't exec ./chkutmp --------------------- admin@c0wzftp.com Administrator - Email Service -----Original Message----- From: "Daniel Wittenberg" To: "CIA LUG" Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:27:41 -0600 Subject: Re: [Cialug] rootkit > Also keep in mind you get false positives from chkrootkit too, run it a > few times and make sure it comes out the same. Can you post the > output? > > Dan > > On Thu, 2005-03-10 at 09:02 -0600, admin wrote: > > just ran chkrootkit on my server and found out there may be a damn > rootkit > > installed. what to do what to do? > > > > any help here would be hot. > > -- > ======================= > Daniel Wittenberg > RHCE > President/CTO > The Starken Group Ltd. > http://www.starken.com > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug ------------------------- want an email address ending in @c0wzftp.com? send an email on over to admin@c0wzftp.com From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 10 16:00:42 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Daniel Wittenberg) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:00:42 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] rootkit In-Reply-To: References: <1110468461.11574.0.camel@forensic.starken.com> Message-ID: <1110470442.11574.8.camel@forensic.starken.com> Looks like you also aren't getting some the checks done too - Definitely looks like a problem to me... Dan On Thu, 2005-03-10 at 09:47 -0600, admin wrote: > consistent 5 times over. > > Checking `ifconfig'... INFECTED > Checking `ldsopreload'... can't exec ./strings-static, not tested > Checking `pstree'... INFECTED > Searching for t0rn's v8 defaults... Possible t0rn v8 \(or variation\) > rootkit installed > Searching for Showtee... Warning: Possible Showtee Rootkit installed > Searching for Romanian rootkit... /usr/include/file.h /usr/include/proc.h > Checking `sniffer'... not tested: can't exec ./ifpromisc > Checking `wted'... not tested: can't exec ./chkwtmp > Checking `z2'... not tested: can't exec ./chklastlog > Checking `chkutmp'... not tested: can't exec ./chkutmp > --------------------- > admin@c0wzftp.com > Administrator - Email Service From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 10 16:06:05 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Josh More) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:06:05 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] rootkit In-Reply-To: <1110470442.11574.8.camel@forensic.starken.com> References: <1110468461.11574.0.camel@forensic.starken.com> <1110470442.11574.8.camel@forensic.starken.com> Message-ID: <1110470765.29452.12.camel@morej.work.alliancetechnologies.net> The checks not getting done are generally indicative of running checkrootkit as: /usr/local/checkrootkit/chkrootkit instead of: cd /usr/local/checkrootkit/; ./chkrootkit The system does not look outside of ./ to find it's helper apps. Run chkrootkit properly, then use rkhunter. Then you can have fun determining what changed. Just bear in mind, that since any file might have been altered, you can't trust anything, even the package verification database. -- -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP morej@alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 On Thu, 2005-03-10 at 10:00 -0600, Daniel Wittenberg wrote: > Looks like you also aren't getting some the checks done too - > > Definitely looks like a problem to me... > > Dan > > On Thu, 2005-03-10 at 09:47 -0600, admin wrote: > > consistent 5 times over. > > > > Checking `ifconfig'... INFECTED > > Checking `ldsopreload'... can't exec ./strings-static, not tested > > Checking `pstree'... INFECTED > > Searching for t0rn's v8 defaults... Possible t0rn v8 \(or variation\) > > rootkit installed > > Searching for Showtee... Warning: Possible Showtee Rootkit installed > > Searching for Romanian rootkit... /usr/include/file.h /usr/include/proc.h > > Checking `sniffer'... not tested: can't exec ./ifpromisc > > Checking `wted'... not tested: can't exec ./chkwtmp > > Checking `z2'... not tested: can't exec ./chklastlog > > Checking `chkutmp'... not tested: can't exec ./chkutmp > > --------------------- > > admin@c0wzftp.com > > Administrator - Email Service > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 10 16:45:34 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:45:34 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] rootkit In-Reply-To: References: <40e57b5f05031006563b843199@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <423079AE.4070200@visionary.com> If you have it on a really restrictive firewall. Some rootkit / trojans will make connections back to a server via IRC or some other protocol, and many firewalls (i.e. linux w/ ipmasquerade) will allow that connection by default. It would be useful to know what service this rootkit broke in with. And what OS you were running, and if it was patched up recently. -dc admin wrote: > ok this raises a second quesiton. would firewalling it (if i can't find > the infected files) be sufficent to keep it from doing further damage? or > could my box be a zombie now? what exactly do rootkits do? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry Weida > To: cialug@cialug.org > Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:56:46 -0600 > Subject: Re: [Cialug] rootkit > > >>Well, as many people will tell you, the only safe thing to do is wipe >>the system and start over. Depending on the rootkit installed, you >>may be able to clean it and replace any trojaned executables from your >>original install source. >> >> >>On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:02:25 -0600, admin wrote: >> >>>just ran chkrootkit on my server and found out there may be a damn >> >>rootkit >> >>>installed. what to do what to do? >>> >>>any help here would be hot. >>> >>>------------------------- >>>want an email address ending in @c0wzftp.com? >>>send an email on over to admin@c0wzftp.com >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Cialug mailing list >>>Cialug@cialug.org >>>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Cialug mailing list >>Cialug@cialug.org >>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > > ------------------------- > want an email address ending in @c0wzftp.com? > send an email on over to admin@c0wzftp.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 10 16:16:23 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (admin) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:16:23 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] rootkit In-Reply-To: <1110470442.11574.8.camel@forensic.starken.com> References: <1110468461.11574.0.camel@forensic.starken.com> <1110470442.11574.8.camel@forensic.starken.com> Message-ID: yea. just wish i was confident enough that i could backup my websites, databases, etc. looks like its back to day 1. -----Original Message----- From: "Daniel Wittenberg" To: "CIA LUG" Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:00:42 -0600 Subject: Re: [Cialug] rootkit > Looks like you also aren't getting some the checks done too - > > Definitely looks like a problem to me... > > Dan > > On Thu, 2005-03-10 at 09:47 -0600, admin wrote: > > consistent 5 times over. > > > > Checking `ifconfig'... INFECTED > > Checking `ldsopreload'... can't exec ./strings-static, not tested > > Checking `pstree'... INFECTED > > Searching for t0rn's v8 defaults... Possible t0rn v8 \(or variation\) > > rootkit installed > > Searching for Showtee... Warning: Possible Showtee Rootkit installed > > Searching for Romanian rootkit... /usr/include/file.h > /usr/include/proc.h > > Checking `sniffer'... not tested: can't exec ./ifpromisc > > Checking `wted'... not tested: can't exec ./chkwtmp > > Checking `z2'... not tested: can't exec ./chklastlog > > Checking `chkutmp'... not tested: can't exec ./chkutmp > > --------------------- > > admin@c0wzftp.com > > Administrator - Email Service > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug ------------------------- want an email address ending in @c0wzftp.com? send an email on over to admin@c0wzftp.com From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 10 18:11:15 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:11:15 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] rootkit In-Reply-To: References: <1110468461.11574.0.camel@forensic.starken.com> <1110470442.11574.8.camel@forensic.starken.com> Message-ID: <42308DC3.5060005@visionary.com> admin wrote: > yea. just wish i was confident enough that i could backup my websites, > databases, etc. looks like its back to day 1. Shouldn't be too hard. To get the web sites: tar -czvf web_backup.tgz /var/www/html If you're using mysql, to backup the databases: mysqldump -u root -p > mydata.dump -dc From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 10 18:24:10 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (admin) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:24:10 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] rootkit In-Reply-To: <42308DC3.5060005@visionary.com> References: <1110468461.11574.0.camel@forensic.starken.com> <1110470442.11574.8.camel@forensic.starken.com> <42308DC3.5060005@visionary.com> Message-ID: there a limit on how big of a file i can make with that? /var/www/html = 36.6GB 72,579 files 4,080 folders -----Original Message----- From: David Champion To: cialug@cialug.org Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:11:15 -0600 Subject: Re: [Cialug] rootkit > admin wrote: > > yea. just wish i was confident enough that i could backup my > websites, > > databases, etc. looks like its back to day 1. > > Shouldn't be too hard. To get the web sites: > > tar -czvf web_backup.tgz /var/www/html > > If you're using mysql, to backup the databases: > > mysqldump -u root -p > mydata.dump > > -dc > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug ------------------------- want an email address ending in @c0wzftp.com? send an email on over to admin@c0wzftp.com From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 10 19:03:25 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:03:25 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] rootkit In-Reply-To: References: <1110468461.11574.0.camel@forensic.starken.com> <1110470442.11574.8.camel@forensic.starken.com> <42308DC3.5060005@visionary.com> Message-ID: <423099FD.5090706@visionary.com> That's a lot of stuff. You might be better off to use ftp or rsync to backup to another box. -dc admin wrote: > there a limit on how big of a file i can make with that? /var/www/html = > 36.6GB 72,579 files 4,080 folders > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Champion > To: cialug@cialug.org > Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:11:15 -0600 > Subject: Re: [Cialug] rootkit > > >>admin wrote: >> >>>yea. just wish i was confident enough that i could backup my >> >>websites, >> >>>databases, etc. looks like its back to day 1. >> >>Shouldn't be too hard. To get the web sites: >> >>tar -czvf web_backup.tgz /var/www/html >> >>If you're using mysql, to backup the databases: >> >>mysqldump -u root -p > mydata.dump >> >>-dc From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 10 19:20:16 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (admin) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:20:16 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] rootkit In-Reply-To: <423099FD.5090706@visionary.com> References: <1110468461.11574.0.camel@forensic.starken.com> <1110470442.11574.8.camel@forensic.starken.com> <42308DC3.5060005@visionary.com> <423099FD.5090706@visionary.com> Message-ID: bah. don't have the free space anywhere else. i know i'm going to regret this later, but its gone. rm -rf * just trying to think of a new distro to use. /me waits for the plugs to start flying -----Original Message----- From: David Champion To: cialug@cialug.org Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:03:25 -0600 Subject: Re: [Cialug] rootkit > That's a lot of stuff. > > You might be better off to use ftp or rsync to backup to another box. > > -dc > > admin wrote: > > there a limit on how big of a file i can make with that? > /var/www/html = > > 36.6GB 72,579 files 4,080 folders > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David Champion > > To: cialug@cialug.org > > Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:11:15 -0600 > > Subject: Re: [Cialug] rootkit > > > > > >>admin wrote: > >> > >>>yea. just wish i was confident enough that i could backup my > >> > >>websites, > >> > >>>databases, etc. looks like its back to day 1. > >> > >>Shouldn't be too hard. To get the web sites: > >> > >>tar -czvf web_backup.tgz /var/www/html > >> > >>If you're using mysql, to backup the databases: > >> > >>mysqldump -u root -p > mydata.dump > >> > >>-dc > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug ------------------------- want an email address ending in @c0wzftp.com? send an email on over to admin@c0wzftp.com From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 10 20:37:02 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Mike Staver) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:37:02 -0700 Subject: [Cialug] ColdFusion on Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4230AFEE.6050901@fimble.com> I'm currently running White Box Enterprise Linux 3.0 with CFMX 6.1 and CFMX 7.0 running on it. I'm using Apache 2.0 with I've tried installing and running CF 5.0 and CFMX 6.X on many different linux distros, many without success. The biggest problem I often have with CFMX 6.1 is that the installer fails on some linux boxen. It can't generate the apache module correctly, so what I did in the past was take the created module from a successful install and then back it up and reuse it on the machines where the install failed. That seems to work fine. Another server I have running has Suse 9.1 on it with CF 5.0. I couldn't run 5.0 on Suse 9.2 because I don't think Suse 9.2 comes with apache 1.3X, which is a requirement for CF 5.0. Sure, you could compile your own... but it's just easier to pick a working distro out of the box. CF 5.0 used to run great on Red Hat 7.X, 8.X, and 9. CF 5 -> 7 also work on RHEL 3.0 ok from what I remember. Nathan C. Smith wrote: > There are two versions of ColdFusion, professional and Enterprise. > professional comes with JRUN which you can run CF on. On ColdFusion MX you > had to use an older version of redhat Linux (7.x or so) in order to use the > Verity Engine. I'm not sure what the case is with the new release but > assume you can run it on something more recent. > > You may be interested in BlueDragon. It is programmable in CFML, and a free > version is available, and it runs on Linux. > > Right now I'm running CF on winders. > > -Nate (CF'r from way back) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Champion [mailto:dave@visionary.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 2:28 PM > To: cialug@cialug.org > Subject: [Cialug] ColdFusion on Linux > > > > Are any of you running ColdFusion services on Linux? If so, what distro > are you using, and what Java Application Server? Is tomcat good enough > for small to medium sites? > > -dc > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -- -Mike Staver staver@fimble.com mstaver@globaltaxnetwork.com From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 10 20:38:42 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Wyatt Davis) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:38:42 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] rootkit In-Reply-To: References: <1110468461.11574.0.camel@forensic.starken.com> <1110470442.11574.8.camel@forensic.starken.com> <42308DC3.5060005@visionary.com> <423099FD.5090706@visionary.com> Message-ID: Slackware! On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:20:16 -0600, admin wrote: > bah. don't have the free space anywhere else. i know i'm going to regret > this later, but its gone. rm -rf * > > just trying to think of a new distro to use. > > /me waits for the plugs to start flying > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Champion > To: cialug@cialug.org > Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:03:25 -0600 > Subject: Re: [Cialug] rootkit > > > That's a lot of stuff. > > > > You might be better off to use ftp or rsync to backup to another box. > > > > -dc > > > > admin wrote: > > > there a limit on how big of a file i can make with that? > > /var/www/html = > > > 36.6GB 72,579 files 4,080 folders > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: David Champion > > > To: cialug@cialug.org > > > Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:11:15 -0600 > > > Subject: Re: [Cialug] rootkit > > > > > > > > >>admin wrote: > > >> > > >>>yea. just wish i was confident enough that i could backup my > > >> > > >>websites, > > >> > > >>>databases, etc. looks like its back to day 1. > > >> > > >>Shouldn't be too hard. To get the web sites: > > >> > > >>tar -czvf web_backup.tgz /var/www/html > > >> > > >>If you're using mysql, to backup the databases: > > >> > > >>mysqldump -u root -p > mydata.dump > > >> > > >>-dc > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug@cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > ------------------------- > want an email address ending in @c0wzftp.com? > send an email on over to admin@c0wzftp.com > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 10 22:37:26 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (cialug@cialug.org) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:37:26 +0000 Subject: [Cialug] rootkit bug? Message-ID: <031020052237.28747.4230CC26000B817C0000704B2197913363CECECF02019C04079903079B@mchsi.com> I think there might be a problem in chkrootkit. When it checks lkm, I get: ps: error: Thread display not implemented. And then I get the syntax screen for ps. I also noticed in the log posted later in this thread, it looks like lkm was skipped. It says: "Checking `lkm'... Checking `rexedcs'... not found". Notice there isn't a result for lkm before it starts checking rexedcs. Looking at chkproc.c, it uses "ps mauxw", whereas chkrootkit 0.44 used "ps auxw". Evidently procps-2.0.7-11 can't handle thread display. -- Tim W. > just ran chkrootkit on my server and found out there may be a damn rootkit > installed. what to do what to do? > > any help here would be hot. > > > ------------------------- > want an email address ending in @c0wzftp.com? > send an email on over to admin@c0wzftp.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 10 22:49:39 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:49:39 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] rootkit bug? In-Reply-To: <031020052237.28747.4230CC26000B817C0000704B2197913363CECECF02019C04079903079B@mchsi.com> References: <031020052237.28747.4230CC26000B817C0000704B2197913363CECECF02019C04079903079B@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <4230CF03.8060302@visionary.com> timwilson011@mchsi.com wrote: > I think there might be a problem in chkrootkit. When it checks lkm, I get: > ps: error: Thread display not implemented. > > And then I get the syntax screen for ps. I also noticed in the log posted later > in this thread, it looks like lkm was skipped. It says: "Checking `lkm'... > Checking `rexedcs'... not found". Notice there isn't a result for lkm before it > starts checking rexedcs. > > Looking at chkproc.c, it uses "ps mauxw", whereas chkrootkit 0.44 used "ps > auxw". Evidently procps-2.0.7-11 can't handle thread display. > > -- > Tim W. Tim... UPGRADE! :p Tested it on my "old" Mandrake 9.2 system, seems to work just fine. It has procps-3.1.11-2mdk. ... Checking `lkm'... chkproc: nothing detected Checking `rexedcs'... not found ... -dc From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 10 22:57:46 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (cialug@cialug.org) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:57:46 +0000 Subject: [Cialug] rootkit bug? Message-ID: <031020052257.26462.4230D0EA0000153F0000675E2197924741CECECF02019C04079903079B@mchsi.com> Yeah, yeah, I know, I need to upgrade. RH 7.2 is old, but it works! On the plus side, once I changed the ps command back to "ps auxw", it found no problems. Maybe RH 7.2 is too old for script kiddies to pay attention to. :-) -- Tim W. > timwilson011@mchsi.com wrote: > > I think there might be a problem in chkrootkit. When it checks lkm, I get: > > ps: error: Thread display not implemented. > > > > And then I get the syntax screen for ps. I also noticed in the log posted > later > > in this thread, it looks like lkm was skipped. It says: "Checking `lkm'... > > Checking `rexedcs'... not found". Notice there isn't a result for lkm before > it > > starts checking rexedcs. > > > > Looking at chkproc.c, it uses "ps mauxw", whereas chkrootkit 0.44 used "ps > > auxw". Evidently procps-2.0.7-11 can't handle thread display. > > > > -- > > Tim W. > > Tim... UPGRADE! :p > > Tested it on my "old" Mandrake 9.2 system, seems to work just fine. It > has procps-3.1.11-2mdk. > > ... > Checking `lkm'... chkproc: nothing detected > Checking `rexedcs'... not found > ... > > -dc > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 10 23:07:55 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (admin) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:07:55 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] rootkit bug? In-Reply-To: <031020052257.26462.4230D0EA0000153F0000675E2197924741CECECF02019C04079903079B@mchsi.com> References: <031020052257.26462.4230D0EA0000153F0000675E2197924741CECECF02019C04079903079B@mchsi.com> Message-ID: don't feel bad i was running redhat 7.1 -----Original Message----- From: timwilson011@mchsi.com To: cialug@cialug.org Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:57:46 +0000 Subject: Re: [Cialug] rootkit bug? > Yeah, yeah, I know, I need to upgrade. RH 7.2 is old, but it works! > > On the plus side, once I changed the ps command back to "ps auxw", it > found no > problems. Maybe RH 7.2 is too old for script kiddies to pay attention > to. :-) > > -- > Tim W. > > > > timwilson011@mchsi.com wrote: > > > I think there might be a problem in chkrootkit. When it checks > lkm, I get: > > > ps: error: Thread display not implemented. > > > > > > And then I get the syntax screen for ps. I also noticed in the log > posted > > later > > > in this thread, it looks like lkm was skipped. It says: "Checking > `lkm'... > > > Checking `rexedcs'... not found". Notice there isn't a result for > lkm before > > it > > > starts checking rexedcs. > > > > > > Looking at chkproc.c, it uses "ps mauxw", whereas chkrootkit 0.44 > used "ps > > > auxw". Evidently procps-2.0.7-11 can't handle thread display. > > > > > > -- > > > Tim W. > > > > Tim... UPGRADE! :p > > > > Tested it on my "old" Mandrake 9.2 system, seems to work just fine. > It > > has procps-3.1.11-2mdk. > > > > ... > > Checking `lkm'... chkproc: nothing detected > > Checking `rexedcs'... not found > > ... > > > > -dc > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug@cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug ------------------------- want an email address ending in @c0wzftp.com? send an email on over to admin@c0wzftp.com From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 10 23:01:30 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Dave J. Hala Jr.) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:01:30 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] rootkit bug? In-Reply-To: <031020052257.26462.4230D0EA0000153F0000675E2197924741CECECF02019C04079903079B@mchsi.com> References: <031020052257.26462.4230D0EA0000153F0000675E2197924741CECECF02019C04079903079B@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <1110495690.3869.87.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com> I really liked 7.2.... I miss it... On Thu, 2005-03-10 at 16:57, timwilson011@mchsi.com wrote: > Yeah, yeah, I know, I need to upgrade. RH 7.2 is old, but it works! > > On the plus side, once I changed the ps command back to "ps auxw", it found no > problems. Maybe RH 7.2 is too old for script kiddies to pay attention to. :-) > > -- > Tim W. > > > > timwilson011@mchsi.com wrote: > > > I think there might be a problem in chkrootkit. When it checks lkm, I get: > > > ps: error: Thread display not implemented. > > > > > > And then I get the syntax screen for ps. I also noticed in the log posted > > later > > > in this thread, it looks like lkm was skipped. It says: "Checking `lkm'... > > > Checking `rexedcs'... not found". Notice there isn't a result for lkm before > > it > > > starts checking rexedcs. > > > > > > Looking at chkproc.c, it uses "ps mauxw", whereas chkrootkit 0.44 used "ps > > > auxw". Evidently procps-2.0.7-11 can't handle thread display. > > > > > > -- > > > Tim W. > > > > Tim... UPGRADE! :p > > > > Tested it on my "old" Mandrake 9.2 system, seems to work just fine. It > > has procps-3.1.11-2mdk. > > > > ... > > Checking `lkm'... chkproc: nothing detected > > Checking `rexedcs'... not found > > ... > > > > -dc > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug@cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -- Open Source Information Systems (OSIS) Dave J. Hala Jr. 641.485.1606 From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 10 23:05:08 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (cialug@cialug.org) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 23:05:08 +0000 Subject: [Cialug] Linux to the rescue! Message-ID: <031020052305.3812.4230D2A400042B8F00000EE42197912995CECECF02019C04079903079B@mchsi.com> I have to share this with fellow Linux fans. Recently, a coworker had his hard drive fail after only 4 months (gotta love those Maxtors!). He and a couple others tried to get it back with XP Pro recovery console, but failed. Chkdsk gave up due to an unrecoverable error after 3+ hours. Installed XP Pro on a new drive, left the old drive in, the old drive showed up as blank, like it had been formatted. All was lost (according to M$ utils). Someone suggested a Linux rescue CD that's been floating around here. So they boot the rescue CD and low and behold it sees the old file system. Amazing, Linux can see an NTFS file system even though someone had to reverse engineer NTFS to get it. And it works *better* than M$ tools. Yeah, real "innovative", Billy boy! -- Tim W. From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 10 23:33:58 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:33:58 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] rootkit bug? In-Reply-To: References: <031020052257.26462.4230D0EA0000153F0000675E2197924741CECECF02019C04079903079B@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <4230D966.3010503@visionary.com> admin wrote: > don't feel bad i was running redhat 7.1 ...some insight as to why you got rooted. Running an old / unpatched system is just ASKING to get pwn3d. Been there, done that. -dc From cialug@cialug.org Fri Mar 11 00:16:54 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (admin) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:16:54 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] rootkit bug? In-Reply-To: <4230D966.3010503@visionary.com> References: <031020052257.26462.4230D0EA0000153F0000675E2197924741CECECF02019C04079903079B@mchsi.com> <4230D966.3010503@visionary.com> Message-ID: yea. i think i installed 7.1 in early 2001 i look at this as a sign that its time to upgrade. heh i know thats kinda a dumb way of looking at things. but when the box just sits in the closet and i update a webpage every 4 or 5 days and my emails kept on a more update box i tend to overlook it. not anymore. -----Original Message----- From: David Champion To: cialug@cialug.org Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:33:58 -0600 Subject: Re: [Cialug] rootkit bug? > admin wrote: > > don't feel bad i was running redhat 7.1 > > ...some insight as to why you got rooted. > > Running an old / unpatched system is just ASKING to get pwn3d. Been > there, done that. > > -dc > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug ------------------------- want an email address ending in @c0wzftp.com? send an email on over to admin@c0wzftp.com From cialug@cialug.org Fri Mar 11 01:54:34 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Mark Hesseltine) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:54:34 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Linux to the rescue! In-Reply-To: <031020052305.3812.4230D2A400042B8F00000EE42197912995CECECF02019C04079903079B@mchsi.com> References: <031020052305.3812.4230D2A400042B8F00000EE42197912995CECECF02019C04079903079B@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <35e03aae05031017541b9bdb9a@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 23:05:08 +0000, timwilson011@mchsi.com wrote: > I have to share this with fellow Linux fans. > > Recently, a coworker had his hard drive fail after only 4 months (gotta love > those Maxtors!). He and a couple others tried to get it back with XP Pro > recovery console, but failed. Chkdsk gave up due to an unrecoverable error > after 3+ hours. Installed XP Pro on a new drive, left the old drive in, the old > drive showed up as blank, like it had been formatted. All was lost (according > to M$ utils). > > Someone suggested a Linux rescue CD that's been floating around here. So they > boot the rescue CD and low and behold it sees the old file system. Amazing, > Linux can see an NTFS file system even though someone had to reverse engineer > NTFS to get it. And it works *better* than M$ tools. Yeah, real "innovative", > Billy boy! > > -- > Tim W. Yes, Tim, Linux has fine read ability on NTFS systems. See http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/ for more info. Also, there is a package that wraps the Windows Native NTFS driver to allow read/write access from Linux. See http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/ for more info on that. Glad to hear that Linux saved the day for your friend. -- Mark Hesseltine mailto:markhesseltine@gmail.com From cialug@cialug.org Fri Mar 11 18:44:15 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (admin) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:44:15 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] samba on fc3 Message-ID: ok. don't know what the deal is here, never had a problem with samba before. my new install of fc3 has samba(Samba version 3.081013) on it. i'm trying to make it so i can connect my wifes web shares on it to my wifes XP pro desktop. i don't use any fancy domain controller or nothing like that. just a wide open LAN. should just be connect and go. heres what i've got so far. i started smbd -D and nmbd -D so its showing up in network neighborhood. but thats where the problem i believe is lying. I cannot get it to resolve the computers(fc3) name in the workgroup. i'm thinking its a firewall issue, but i already opened 137-138(udp) and 139(tcp) on fc3. i need the windows pc to be able to map the network shares that fc3 is putting up in the workgroup. windows can't access the shares because "the network path was not found". thanks in advance ------------------------- want an email address ending in @c0wzftp.com? send an email on over to admin@c0wzftp.com From cialug@cialug.org Fri Mar 11 19:33:09 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:33:09 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] samba on fc3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4231F275.8080005@visionary.com> admin wrote: > ok. don't know what the deal is here, never had a problem with samba > before. my new install of fc3 has samba(Samba version 3.081013) on it. i'm > trying to make it so i can connect my wifes web shares on it to my wifes > XP pro desktop. > > i don't use any fancy domain controller or nothing like that. just a wide > open LAN. should just be connect and go. > > heres what i've got so far. > > i started smbd -D and nmbd -D so its showing up in network neighborhood. > but thats where the problem i believe is lying. I cannot get it to resolve > the computers(fc3) name in the workgroup. i'm thinking its a firewall > issue, but i already opened 137-138(udp) and 139(tcp) on fc3. > > i need the windows pc to be able to map the network shares that fc3 is > putting up in the workgroup. windows can't access the shares because "the > network path was not found". > > thanks in advance You can map by ip address instead of name too. Just open windows explorer and type: \\\ Did you add smb users on the server with the "smbpasswd" command? -dc From cialug@cialug.org Fri Mar 11 19:36:39 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (albus) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:36:39 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] samba on fc3 References: Message-ID: <008d01c52671$a575fc20$0200a8c0@RayJ> is the firewall doing it to you ----- Original Message ----- From: "admin" To: Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 12:44 PM Subject: [Cialug] samba on fc3 > ok. don't know what the deal is here, never had a problem with samba > before. my new install of fc3 has samba(Samba version 3.081013) on it. i'm > trying to make it so i can connect my wifes web shares on it to my wifes > XP pro desktop. > > i don't use any fancy domain controller or nothing like that. just a wide > open LAN. should just be connect and go. > > heres what i've got so far. > > i started smbd -D and nmbd -D so its showing up in network neighborhood. > but thats where the problem i believe is lying. I cannot get it to resolve > the computers(fc3) name in the workgroup. i'm thinking its a firewall > issue, but i already opened 137-138(udp) and 139(tcp) on fc3. > > i need the windows pc to be able to map the network shares that fc3 is > putting up in the workgroup. windows can't access the shares because "the > network path was not found". > > thanks in advance > > > ------------------------- > want an email address ending in @c0wzftp.com? > send an email on over to admin@c0wzftp.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > From cialug@cialug.org Fri Mar 11 19:55:02 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (admin) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:55:02 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] samba on fc3 In-Reply-To: <008d01c52671$a575fc20$0200a8c0@RayJ> References: <008d01c52671$a575fc20$0200a8c0@RayJ> Message-ID: well i figured it out. it was the firewall had some rules saying stuff like: ACCEPT If protocol is TCP and destination port is 139 and source port is 139 yea, that never happens. took out the source port part and all is well on the western front now :) thanks to those that did respond. -----Original Message----- From: "albus" To: Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:36:39 -0600 Subject: Re: [Cialug] samba on fc3 > is the firewall doing it to you > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "admin" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 12:44 PM > Subject: [Cialug] samba on fc3 > > > > ok. don't know what the deal is here, never had a problem with samba > > before. my new install of fc3 has samba(Samba version 3.081013) on > it. i'm > > trying to make it so i can connect my wifes web shares on it to my > wifes > > XP pro desktop. > > > > i don't use any fancy domain controller or nothing like that. just a > wide > > open LAN. should just be connect and go. > > > > heres what i've got so far. > > > > i started smbd -D and nmbd -D so its showing up in network > neighborhood. > > but thats where the problem i believe is lying. I cannot get it to > resolve > > the computers(fc3) name in the workgroup. i'm thinking its a firewall > > issue, but i already opened 137-138(udp) and 139(tcp) on fc3. > > > > i need the windows pc to be able to map the network shares that fc3 > is > > putting up in the workgroup. windows can't access the shares because > "the > > network path was not found". > > > > thanks in advance > > > > > > ------------------------- > > want an email address ending in @c0wzftp.com? > > send an email on over to admin@c0wzftp.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug@cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug ------------------------- want an email address ending in @c0wzftp.com? send an email on over to admin@c0wzftp.com From cialug@cialug.org Fri Mar 11 20:42:39 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (albus) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:42:39 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] samba on fc3 References: <008d01c52671$a575fc20$0200a8c0@RayJ> Message-ID: <000401c5267a$dd650d20$0200a8c0@RayJ> SCORE !!! I finally was able to help someone. Even with my pea brain ----- Original Message ----- From: "admin" To: Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [Cialug] samba on fc3 > well i figured it out. it was the firewall > > had some rules saying stuff like: > > ACCEPT If protocol is TCP and destination port is 139 and source port is > 139 > > yea, that never happens. took out the source port part and all is well on > the western front now :) > > thanks to those that did respond. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "albus" > To: > Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:36:39 -0600 > Subject: Re: [Cialug] samba on fc3 > >> is the firewall doing it to you >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "admin" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 12:44 PM >> Subject: [Cialug] samba on fc3 >> >> >> > ok. don't know what the deal is here, never had a problem with samba >> > before. my new install of fc3 has samba(Samba version 3.081013) on >> it. i'm >> > trying to make it so i can connect my wifes web shares on it to my >> wifes >> > XP pro desktop. >> > >> > i don't use any fancy domain controller or nothing like that. just a >> wide >> > open LAN. should just be connect and go. >> > >> > heres what i've got so far. >> > >> > i started smbd -D and nmbd -D so its showing up in network >> neighborhood. >> > but thats where the problem i believe is lying. I cannot get it to >> resolve >> > the computers(fc3) name in the workgroup. i'm thinking its a firewall >> > issue, but i already opened 137-138(udp) and 139(tcp) on fc3. >> > >> > i need the windows pc to be able to map the network shares that fc3 >> is >> > putting up in the workgroup. windows can't access the shares because >> "the >> > network path was not found". >> > >> > thanks in advance >> > >> > >> > ------------------------- >> > want an email address ending in @c0wzftp.com? >> > send an email on over to admin@c0wzftp.com >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Cialug mailing list >> > Cialug@cialug.org >> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> > >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > ------------------------- > want an email address ending in @c0wzftp.com? > send an email on over to admin@c0wzftp.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > From cialug@cialug.org Fri Mar 11 22:48:07 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (cialug@cialug.org) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:48:07 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Cialug] OT: Looking for server hardware Message-ID: <43144.63.84.4.1.1110581287.squirrel@63.84.4.1> I'm in the market for some older server hardware. I'm looking for PIII-era, 1GB RAM, and hotswap SCSI/SCA of some sort. Anybody have any old eqipment they want to get rid of? Jon From cialug@cialug.org Sun Mar 13 05:28:26 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (frankie) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 23:28:26 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] DNS Bind 9 Message-ID: <4448d67115ccbd658c7b54d0416f94a9@raccoon.com> Hello all, I am trying to set up the caching server in FC3 using Webmin and am having some issues. When I run 'named-checkconf' I get an error message 27 telling me all zones must be in the view. Running nslookup mayhem.nut results in 'Server: 192.168.10.15 Address: 192.168.10.15#53 ** server can't find mayhem.nut: NXDOMAIN'. Dig mayhem.nut gets ; <<>> DiG 9.2.2 <<>> mayhem.nut ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 10951 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;mayhem.nut. IN A ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: . 10700 IN SOA A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. NSTLD.VERISIGN-GRS.COM. 2005031201 1800 900 604800 86400 ;; Query time: 24 msec ;; SERVER: 192.168.10.15#53(192.168.10.15) ;; WHEN: Sat Mar 12 23:22:09 2005 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 103 Shouldn't I be seeing my local nameservers in the Authority section? Any help appreciated! Irv Robison IRVNET 515-720-7816 frankie@raccoon.com www.irvnet.us Optimism and perserverance have gotten me farther then anthing else I have tried. "This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation." From cialug@cialug.org Sun Mar 13 16:39:49 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Kenneth Ristau) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:39:49 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] DNS Bind 9 In-Reply-To: <4448d67115ccbd658c7b54d0416f94a9@raccoon.com> References: <4448d67115ccbd658c7b54d0416f94a9@raccoon.com> Message-ID: <42346CD5.9010604@kristau.net> frankie wrote: > Hello all, > I am trying to set up the caching server in FC3 using Webmin and am > having some issues. When I run 'named-checkconf' I get an error message > 27 telling me all zones must be in the view. Running nslookup mayhem.nut > results in 'Server: 192.168.10.15 Address: 192.168.10.15#53 > ** server can't find mayhem.nut: NXDOMAIN'. > SNIP < > Shouldn't I be seeing my local nameservers in the Authority section? Any > help appreciated! > > Irv Robison > IRVNET > 515-720-7816 > frankie@raccoon.com > www.irvnet.us Check your /etc/resolv.conf file. It is probably pointing at your ISP's nameservers. Instead, try just the following line and nothing else: nameserver 127.0.0.1 That should attempt to resolve your local entries first, then query the root servers. I've just started (long overdue) to play with DNS myself. I'm just editing the config files manually for now. I usually try to learn how to configure things manually first, then move on to tools like webmin once I understand the basics. If I get stuck, though, I'll sometimes use a utility to create the configs for me, then review them to see what I did wrong. Make sure you save copies of your working/original configs someplace safe, so you can restore them if you mess up. That has saved my gluteus maximus more than once. later, kristau From cialug@cialug.org Mon Mar 14 14:42:16 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (admin) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:42:16 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] iptables Message-ID: there a way i can add a rule to iptables that lets all computers on 192.168.123.* connect to all ports? i want to leave my server open to my lan clients and not have to add rules to it all the time. ------------------------- want an email address ending in @c0wzftp.com? send an email on over to admin@c0wzftp.com From cialug@cialug.org Mon Mar 14 14:37:04 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Jerry Weida) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:37:04 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] iptables In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40e57b5f05031406377ddb46f2@mail.gmail.com> Sure, just allow any communications on the internal interface. iptables -A input -i $INT_INTERFACE -j ACCEPT iptables -A output -i $INT_INTERFACE -j ACCEPT Where $INT_INTERFACE represents the internal interface (i.e. eth1) On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:42:16 -0600, admin wrote: > there a way i can add a rule to iptables that lets all computers on > 192.168.123.* connect to all ports? i want to leave my server open to my > lan clients and not have to add rules to it all the time. > > ------------------------- > want an email address ending in @c0wzftp.com? > send an email on over to admin@c0wzftp.com > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From cialug@cialug.org Mon Mar 14 15:46:29 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:46:29 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] ballpark networking rates Message-ID: Can anybody ballpark what a network consultant's hourly rates would be for something like setting up wireless networking, VPNs and firewalls? Does $250/hr sound __too_ high? Thanks. -Nate Nathan Smith McKee, Voorhees & Sease, P.L.C. 515.288.3667 From cialug@cialug.org Mon Mar 14 15:48:47 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Jon Clemons) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:48:47 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] ballpark networking rates References: Message-ID: <013701c528ad$4f4f0880$800101df@JON> Yes, in Des Moines I know companies that charge half that rate. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan C. Smith" To: Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 9:46 AM Subject: [Cialug] ballpark networking rates > > Can anybody ballpark what a network consultant's hourly rates would be for > something like setting up wireless networking, VPNs and firewalls? > > Does $250/hr sound __too_ high? > > Thanks. > > -Nate > > Nathan Smith McKee, Voorhees & Sease, P.L.C. 515.288.3667 > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From cialug@cialug.org Mon Mar 14 15:50:58 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Dave J. Hala Jr.) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:50:58 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] ballpark networking rates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1110815458.8443.58.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com> Wow, I wanna work in that market! Typically, $75.00 - $150.00 in the DSM area. Last time I checked. On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 09:46, Nathan C. Smith wrote: > Can anybody ballpark what a network consultant's hourly rates would be for > something like setting up wireless networking, VPNs and firewalls? > > Does $250/hr sound __too_ high? > > Thanks. > > -Nate > > Nathan Smith McKee, Voorhees & Sease, P.L.C. 515.288.3667 > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -- Open Source Information Systems (OSIS) Dave J. Hala Jr. 641.485.1606 From cialug@cialug.org Mon Mar 14 15:52:23 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:52:23 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] ballpark networking rates Message-ID: Thanks Dave, anyone else have recent experience? -----Original Message----- From: Dave J. Hala Jr. [mailto:dave@58ghz.net] Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 9:51 AM To: Cialug Subject: Re: [Cialug] ballpark networking rates Wow, I wanna work in that market! Typically, $75.00 - $150.00 in the DSM area. Last time I checked. On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 09:46, Nathan C. Smith wrote: > Can anybody ballpark what a network consultant's hourly rates would be > for something like setting up wireless networking, VPNs and firewalls? > > Does $250/hr sound __too_ high? > > Thanks. > > -Nate > > Nathan Smith McKee, Voorhees & Sease, P.L.C. 515.288.3667 > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -- Open Source Information Systems (OSIS) Dave J. Hala Jr. 641.485.1606 _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Mon Mar 14 16:01:07 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Tom Pohl) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:01:07 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] ballpark networking rates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I usually do between $75 or $90, but for you, I'll break down and do $250 ;) -Tom On Mar 14, 2005, at 9:52 AM, Nathan C. Smith wrote: > Thanks Dave, anyone else have recent experience? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave J. Hala Jr. [mailto:dave@58ghz.net] > Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 9:51 AM > To: Cialug > Subject: Re: [Cialug] ballpark networking rates > > > > Wow, I wanna work in that market! > > Typically, $75.00 - $150.00 in the DSM area. Last time I checked. > > > > On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 09:46, Nathan C. Smith wrote: >> Can anybody ballpark what a network consultant's hourly rates would be >> for something like setting up wireless networking, VPNs and firewalls? >> >> Does $250/hr sound __too_ high? >> >> Thanks. >> >> -Nate >> >> Nathan Smith McKee, Voorhees & Sease, P.L.C. 515.288.3667 >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -- > > Open Source Information Systems (OSIS) > Dave J. Hala Jr. > 641.485.1606 > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From cialug@cialug.org Mon Mar 14 16:06:21 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:06:21 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] ballpark networking rates Message-ID: Anybody ever tell you you are a prince of a guy? I did some work for my firm setting up for a trial and I want some datapoints to help us set what to charge the client for my time. I.T. as a profit center. There's a new thought. -Nate -----Original Message----- From: Tom Pohl [mailto:tom@tcpconsulting.com] Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 10:01 AM To: cialug@cialug.org Subject: Re: [Cialug] ballpark networking rates I usually do between $75 or $90, but for you, I'll break down and do $250 ;) -Tom On Mar 14, 2005, at 9:52 AM, Nathan C. Smith wrote: > Thanks Dave, anyone else have recent experience? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave J. Hala Jr. [mailto:dave@58ghz.net] > Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 9:51 AM > To: Cialug > Subject: Re: [Cialug] ballpark networking rates > > > > Wow, I wanna work in that market! > > Typically, $75.00 - $150.00 in the DSM area. Last time I checked. > > > > On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 09:46, Nathan C. Smith wrote: >> Can anybody ballpark what a network consultant's hourly rates would >> be for something like setting up wireless networking, VPNs and >> firewalls? >> >> Does $250/hr sound __too_ high? >> >> Thanks. >> >> -Nate >> >> Nathan Smith McKee, Voorhees & Sease, P.L.C. 515.288.3667 >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -- > > Open Source Information Systems (OSIS) > Dave J. Hala Jr. > 641.485.1606 > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Mon Mar 14 16:19:50 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Dave J. Hala Jr.) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:19:50 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] ballpark networking rates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1110817189.8443.70.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com> I did that once. It turned out a little wierd. After a while, we discovered the average amount that each "department" used. Then we ended up billing each department X amount of dollars. This turned out to be a *huge* mistake. The "departments" then started coming up with this stuff: I pay X amount of dollars so I pay that persons salary and that persons salary that does mostly work for my deparment." I think they should be doing this and this and this for my deparment. Or I don't think I'm getting my money's worth from person X... I'm paying way to much money for the services I receive, why don't I just contract it out and IT can just support the infrastructure...and clean up the mess later... What a mess. If you're a State/Federally funded entity, making the transition to IT as profit center could be a quite a shock. If you're a corporate person, then its just politics as usual... Just my 2 cents.. On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 10:06, Nathan C. Smith wrote: > Anybody ever tell you you are a prince of a guy? > > I did some work for my firm setting up for a trial and I want some > datapoints to help us set what to charge the client for my time. I.T. as a > profit center. There's a new thought. > > -Nate > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Pohl [mailto:tom@tcpconsulting.com] > Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 10:01 AM > To: cialug@cialug.org > Subject: Re: [Cialug] ballpark networking rates > > > > I usually do between $75 or $90, but for you, I'll break down and do > $250 ;) > > -Tom > > On Mar 14, 2005, at 9:52 AM, Nathan C. Smith wrote: > > > Thanks Dave, anyone else have recent experience? > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dave J. Hala Jr. [mailto:dave@58ghz.net] > > Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 9:51 AM > > To: Cialug > > Subject: Re: [Cialug] ballpark networking rates > > > > > > > > Wow, I wanna work in that market! > > > > Typically, $75.00 - $150.00 in the DSM area. Last time I checked. > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 09:46, Nathan C. Smith wrote: > >> Can anybody ballpark what a network consultant's hourly rates would > >> be for something like setting up wireless networking, VPNs and > >> firewalls? > >> > >> Does $250/hr sound __too_ high? > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> -Nate > >> > >> Nathan Smith McKee, Voorhees & Sease, P.L.C. 515.288.3667 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Cialug mailing list > >> Cialug@cialug.org > >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > -- > > > > Open Source Information Systems (OSIS) > > Dave J. Hala Jr. > > 641.485.1606 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug@cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug@cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -- Open Source Information Systems (OSIS) Dave J. Hala Jr. 641.485.1606 From cialug@cialug.org Mon Mar 14 16:23:13 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:23:13 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] ballpark networking rates Message-ID: Ahh, the joys of funny money and accounting chargeback. -----Original Message----- From: Dave J. Hala Jr. [mailto:dave@58ghz.net] Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 10:20 AM To: Cialug Subject: RE: [Cialug] ballpark networking rates I did that once. It turned out a little wierd. After a while, we discovered the average amount that each "department" used. Then we ended up billing each department X amount of dollars. This turned out to be a *huge* mistake. The "departments" then started coming up with this stuff: I pay X amount of dollars so I pay that persons salary and that persons salary that does mostly work for my deparment." I think they should be doing this and this and this for my deparment. Or I don't think I'm getting my money's worth from person X... I'm paying way to much money for the services I receive, why don't I just contract it out and IT can just support the infrastructure...and clean up the mess later... What a mess. If you're a State/Federally funded entity, making the transition to IT as profit center could be a quite a shock. If you're a corporate person, then its just politics as usual... Just my 2 cents.. On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 10:06, Nathan C. Smith wrote: > Anybody ever tell you you are a prince of a guy? > > I did some work for my firm setting up for a trial and I want some > datapoints to help us set what to charge the client for my time. I.T. > as a profit center. There's a new thought. > > -Nate > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Pohl [mailto:tom@tcpconsulting.com] > Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 10:01 AM > To: cialug@cialug.org > Subject: Re: [Cialug] ballpark networking rates > > > > I usually do between $75 or $90, but for you, I'll break down and do > $250 ;) > > -Tom > > On Mar 14, 2005, at 9:52 AM, Nathan C. Smith wrote: > > > Thanks Dave, anyone else have recent experience? > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dave J. Hala Jr. [mailto:dave@58ghz.net] > > Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 9:51 AM > > To: Cialug > > Subject: Re: [Cialug] ballpark networking rates > > > > > > > > Wow, I wanna work in that market! > > > > Typically, $75.00 - $150.00 in the DSM area. Last time I checked. > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 09:46, Nathan C. Smith wrote: > >> Can anybody ballpark what a network consultant's hourly rates would > >> be for something like setting up wireless networking, VPNs and > >> firewalls? > >> > >> Does $250/hr sound __too_ high? > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> -Nate > >> > >> Nathan Smith McKee, Voorhees & Sease, P.L.C. 515.288.3667 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Cialug mailing list > >> Cialug@cialug.org > >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > -- > > > > Open Source Information Systems (OSIS) > > Dave J. Hala Jr. > > 641.485.1606 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug@cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug@cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -- Open Source Information Systems (OSIS) Dave J. Hala Jr. 641.485.1606 _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Mon Mar 14 16:45:14 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Dave Weis) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:45:14 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Cialug] ballpark networking rates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 14 Mar 2005, Tom Pohl wrote: > I usually do between $75 or $90, but for you, I'll break down and do $250 ;) That's about par for me also. If it's something special like former employers, it's at least $250. dave > On Mar 14, 2005, at 9:52 AM, Nathan C. Smith wrote: > >> Thanks Dave, anyone else have recent experience? >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dave J. Hala Jr. [mailto:dave@58ghz.net] >> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 9:51 AM >> To: Cialug >> Subject: Re: [Cialug] ballpark networking rates >> >> >> >> Wow, I wanna work in that market! >> >> Typically, $75.00 - $150.00 in the DSM area. Last time I checked. >> >> >> >> On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 09:46, Nathan C. Smith wrote: >>> Can anybody ballpark what a network consultant's hourly rates would be >>> for something like setting up wireless networking, VPNs and firewalls? >>> >>> Does $250/hr sound __too_ high? >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> -Nate >>> >>> Nathan Smith McKee, Voorhees & Sease, P.L.C. 515.288.3667 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Cialug mailing list >>> Cialug@cialug.org >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> -- >> >> Open Source Information Systems (OSIS) >> Dave J. Hala Jr. >> 641.485.1606 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -- Dave Weis "I believe there are more instances of the abridgment djweis@sjdjweis.com of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations."- James Madison From cialug@cialug.org Mon Mar 14 18:03:02 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:03:02 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] NTP Message-ID: <4235D1D6.5010509@visionary.com> *PLEASE* set up NTP on your email servers. That way your messages will maybe show up in the right order in everyone's inbox. If you don't know how to set up NTP, just ask. -dc From cialug@cialug.org Mon Mar 14 18:39:17 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (albus) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:39:17 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] NTP Message-ID: <006401c528c5$20fa4c70$0200a8c0@RayJ> Speaking of ntp. I had it working and then the other day for some reason I'm getting bad file discriptor What's up with that? Anybody else have that problem? From cialug@cialug.org Mon Mar 14 18:50:20 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:50:20 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Downtown Linux Meet? Message-ID: Anyone else work downtown that would be interested in an occasional group meetup over lunch somewhere, sometime? There must be a few more of us around here. Maybe some people who don't make the evening meetings could drop by too. I don't know where, Locust Mall, pitchers, younker's tea room, allies, big leagues, winston's? Just an informal linux people and food thing. -Nate From cialug@cialug.org Mon Mar 14 19:20:51 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Josh More) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:20:51 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Downtown Linux Meet? Message-ID: I would be up for something like that. If going over lunch, I would prefer a place like the Court Avenue Brewing Company. The food is quite good, and there is no smoke. -Josh More >>> smith@ipmvs.com 03/14/05 12:50 PM >>> Anyone else work downtown that would be interested in an occasional group meetup over lunch somewhere, sometime? There must be a few more of us around here. Maybe some people who don't make the evening meetings could drop by too. I don't know where, Locust Mall, pitchers, younker's tea room, allies, big leagues, winston's? Just an informal linux people and food thing. -Nate _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Mon Mar 14 19:53:14 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Claus) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:53:14 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] ballpark networking rates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4235EBAA.8090602@gmx.net> The department I work for as well as several other departments at ISU do this "funny money" stuff. Here it's called charge back. Certain IT functionality that we provide is centrally funded because these things are just needed for the University to run and benefit to more than a certain department. Other things are charged back to the department requesting it. That way the department thinks about what they need and if its valuable enough for them to spend the money on it. Seems to work OK. Claus On 3/14/2005 10:23 AM, Nathan C. Smith wrote: > Ahh, the joys of funny money and accounting chargeback. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave J. Hala Jr. > Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 10:20 AM > To: Cialug > Subject: RE: [Cialug] ballpark networking rates > > > > I did that once. It turned out a little wierd. After a while, we discovered > the average amount that each "department" used. Then we ended up billing > each department X amount of dollars. This turned out to be a > *huge* mistake. > > The "departments" then started coming up with this stuff: I pay X amount of > dollars so I pay that persons salary and that persons salary that does > mostly work for my deparment." I think they should be doing this and this > and this for my deparment. Or I don't think I'm getting my money's worth > from person X... I'm paying way to much money for the services I receive, > why don't I just contract it out and IT can just support the > infrastructure...and clean up the mess later... > > What a mess. If you're a State/Federally funded entity, making the > transition to IT as profit center could be a quite a shock. If you're a > corporate person, then its just politics as usual... > > Just my 2 cents.. > > From cialug@cialug.org Mon Mar 14 20:49:25 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (cialug@cialug.org) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:49:25 +0000 Subject: [Cialug] Downtown Linux Meet? Message-ID: <031420052049.24367.4235F8D50002349A00005F2F2197924741040A0D0E0D970E06@mchsi.com> I'm in the Hooover building so something on Court Avenue would work for me. Any day other than Thursdays. Jay Babel > I would be up for something like that. > If going over lunch, I would prefer a place like the Court Avenue > Brewing Company. The food is quite good, and there is no smoke. > > -Josh More > > >>> smith@ipmvs.com 03/14/05 12:50 PM >>> > > Anyone else work downtown that would be interested in an occasional > group > meetup over lunch somewhere, sometime? > There must be a few more of us around here. > Maybe some people who don't make the evening meetings could drop by too. > > > I don't know where, Locust Mall, pitchers, younker's tea room, allies, > big > leagues, winston's? > > Just an informal linux people and food thing. > > -Nate > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Mon Mar 14 22:23:45 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Daniel Wittenberg) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:23:45 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] ballpark networking rates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1110839025.5763.4.camel@forensic.starken.com> On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 09:52 -0600, Nathan C. Smith wrote: > Thanks Dave, anyone else have recent experience? We're based out of Cedar Rapids, but the $100-175 is what you'll see around this area. Dan From cialug@cialug.org Mon Mar 14 22:43:16 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:43:16 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] NTP In-Reply-To: <006401c528c5$20fa4c70$0200a8c0@RayJ> References: <006401c528c5$20fa4c70$0200a8c0@RayJ> Message-ID: <42361384.6090103@visionary.com> albus wrote: > Speaking of ntp. I had it working and then the other day for some reason > I'm getting > bad file discriptor > > What's up with that? > Anybody else have that problem? Nope. Mine are working just fine. Can you give the exact error? You should have something in /var/log/messages. Take a look at your "server" lines in your ntp.conf and check to see if the servers are still alive. -dc From cialug@cialug.org Mon Mar 14 22:47:49 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:47:49 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] NTP Message-ID: and make sure you aren't using 127.0.0.1 as a server. ntpq associations and peers is handy. -----Original Message----- From: David Champion [mailto:dave@visionary.com] Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 4:43 PM To: cialug@cialug.org Subject: Re: [Cialug] NTP albus wrote: > Speaking of ntp. I had it working and then the other day for some > reason > I'm getting > bad file discriptor > > What's up with that? > Anybody else have that problem? Nope. Mine are working just fine. Can you give the exact error? You should have something in /var/log/messages. Take a look at your "server" lines in your ntp.conf and check to see if the servers are still alive. -dc _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Mon Mar 14 22:57:05 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (albus) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:57:05 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] NTP References: Message-ID: <002501c528e9$244c5340$0200a8c0@RayJ> I fingered it out. For some reason it had 2 instances of ntpd running. But I killed both processes and then restarted and now all is okay. But here is what it had in /var/log/messages Mar 11 18:31:00 mail ntpd[91350]: sendto(132.163.4.102): Bad file descriptor Mar 11 18:31:06 mail ntpd[91350]: sendto(129.186.140.200): Bad file descriptor Mar 11 18:31:17 mail ntpd[91350]: sendto(192.43.244.18): Bad file descriptor Mar 11 18:31:44 mail ntpd[91005]: sendto(132.163.4.101): Bad file descriptor Mar 11 18:31:55 mail ntpd[91005]: sendto(129.186.140.200): Bad file descriptor Mar 11 18:31:56 mail ntpd[91005]: sendto(192.43.244.18): Bad file descriptor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan C. Smith" To: Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 4:47 PM Subject: RE: [Cialug] NTP > and make sure you aren't using 127.0.0.1 as a server. > > ntpq > associations and peers is handy. > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Champion [mailto:dave@visionary.com] > Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 4:43 PM > To: cialug@cialug.org > Subject: Re: [Cialug] NTP > > > > albus wrote: >> Speaking of ntp. I had it working and then the other day for some >> reason >> I'm getting >> bad file discriptor >> >> What's up with that? >> Anybody else have that problem? > > Nope. Mine are working just fine. > > Can you give the exact error? You should have something in > /var/log/messages. > > Take a look at your "server" lines in your ntp.conf and check to see if > the servers are still alive. > > -dc > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 15 00:59:21 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Don Cady) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:59:21 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] NTP References: <002501c528e9$244c5340$0200a8c0@RayJ> Message-ID: <00e801c528fa$39c9f900$6601a8c0@any7xu043c9b9i> Dumb question: Were you _sending_ to all those IPs? Don >I fingered it out. For some reason it had 2 instances of ntpd running. > > But I killed both processes and then restarted and now all is okay. > > But here is what it had in /var/log/messages > Mar 11 18:31:00 mail ntpd[91350]: sendto(132.163.4.102): Bad file > descriptor > Mar 11 18:31:06 mail ntpd[91350]: sendto(129.186.140.200): Bad file > descriptor > Mar 11 18:31:17 mail ntpd[91350]: sendto(192.43.244.18): Bad file > descriptor > Mar 11 18:31:44 mail ntpd[91005]: sendto(132.163.4.101): Bad file > descriptor > Mar 11 18:31:55 mail ntpd[91005]: sendto(129.186.140.200): Bad file > descriptor > Mar 11 18:31:56 mail ntpd[91005]: sendto(192.43.244.18): Bad file > descriptor From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 15 01:08:03 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (John Roach) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:08:03 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Lan Party's Message-ID: <0E586967D134714094DB956D1FEF3B67237B1A@EXCHANGE.ESSIA.local> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C528FB.700810AA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Okay, It is off topic. But here is the question? Are there any lan = partys in DSM still? If so please send me info. =20 The next question is, I work for a NP company. All of our donations are = targeted at the services we offer, but not the infrastructure. Does any = one have any ideas of a fund raiser targeted at Infrustucture? I am = sving some, by linux deployments, in fact I am getting ready to do a 30 = user deployment with in 3 months. All the talk today about billings, = just sparked me off. =20 =20 Thanks, =20 John Roach ------_=_NextPart_001_01C528FB.700810AA Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C528FB.700810AA-- From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 15 01:25:32 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (frankie) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:25:32 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] DNS Bind 9 In-Reply-To: <42346CD5.9010604@kristau.net> References: <4448d67115ccbd658c7b54d0416f94a9@raccoon.com> <42346CD5.9010604@kristau.net> Message-ID: <87f77e4033958bd76079808cd64c5365@raccoon.com> Hi, Still getting same results after modifying /etc/resolv.conf file. Was talking with a coworker who suggested looking at the zone files, of which there are a few in /var/named/chroot/var/named: localdomain.zone, localhost.zone, mayhem.nut.hosts, named.broadcast, named.ca, named.ip6.local, named.local, and named.zero. I'm thinking I need named.ca, but do I need the others or can they safely be eliminated? And shouldn't mayhem.nut.hosts be named mayhem.nut.zone? Thanks. Irv Robison IRVNET 515-720-7816 frankie@raccoon.com www.irvnet.us Optimism and perserverance have gotten me farther then anthing else I have tried. On Mar 13, 2005, at 10:39 AM, Kenneth Ristau wrote: > frankie wrote: >> Hello all, >> I am trying to set up the caching server in FC3 using Webmin and >> am having some issues. When I run 'named-checkconf' I get an error >> message 27 telling me all zones must be in the view. Running nslookup >> mayhem.nut results in 'Server: 192.168.10.15 Address: >> 192.168.10.15#53 >> ** server can't find mayhem.nut: NXDOMAIN'. SNIP < >> Shouldn't I be seeing my local nameservers in the Authority section? >> Any help appreciated! >> Irv Robison >> IRVNET >> 515-720-7816 >> frankie@raccoon.com >> www.irvnet.us > > Check your /etc/resolv.conf file. It is probably pointing at your > ISP's nameservers. Instead, try just the following line and nothing > else: > > nameserver 127.0.0.1 > > That should attempt to resolve your local entries first, then query > the root servers. > > I've just started (long overdue) to play with DNS myself. I'm just > editing the config files manually for now. I usually try to learn how > to configure things manually first, then move on to tools like webmin > once I understand the basics. If I get stuck, though, I'll sometimes > use a utility to create the configs for me, then review them to see > what I did wrong. Make sure you save copies of your working/original > configs someplace safe, so you can restore them if you mess up. That > has saved my gluteus maximus more than once. > > later, > kristau > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 15 14:43:36 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Lee) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:43:36 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Lan Party's In-Reply-To: <0E586967D134714094DB956D1FEF3B67237B1A@EXCHANGE.ESSIA.local> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C5293B.13BB04C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The DSMGG would hold regular LAN parties. But the site (dsmgg.org) doesn't seem to be up. They had the biggest in the area that I'm aware of. I and a group of 15-25 guys have one every few months. If your looking for a straight Windows/Gaming LAN parties (very few of these guys do Linux) shoot me your email and I'll keep you in the loop. -----Original Message----- From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On Behalf Of John Roach Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 7:08 PM To: cialug@cialug.org Subject: [Cialug] OT: Lan Party's Okay, It is off topic. But here is the question? Are there any lan partys in DSM still? If so please send me info. The next question is, I work for a NP company. All of our donations are targeted at the services we offer, but not the infrastructure. Does any one have any ideas of a fund raiser targeted at Infrustucture? I am sving some, by linux deployments, in fact I am getting ready to do a 30 user deployment with in 3 months. All the talk today about billings, just sparked me off. Thanks, John Roach ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C5293B.13BB04C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The=20 DSMGG would hold regular LAN parties. But the site (dsmgg.org) doesn't = seem to=20 be up. They had the biggest in the area that I'm aware of. I and a group = of=20 15-25 guys have one every few months. If your looking for a = straight=20 Windows/Gaming LAN parties (very few of these guys do Linux) shoot me = your email=20 and I'll keep you in the loop.
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Okay, It is off = topic. But here is=20 the question? Are there any lan partys in DSM still? If so please send = me=20 info.
 
The next question is, I work for a NP = company.=20 All of our donations are targeted at the services we offer, but not = the=20 infrastructure. Does any one have any ideas of a fund raiser targeted = at=20 Infrustucture? I am sving some, by linux deployments, in fact I am = getting=20 ready to do a 30 user deployment with in 3 months. All the talk today = about=20 billings, just sparked me off.
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C5293B.13BB04C0-- From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 15 15:16:10 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (albus) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:16:10 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] NTP References: <002501c528e9$244c5340$0200a8c0@RayJ> <00e801c528fa$39c9f900$6601a8c0@any7xu043c9b9i> Message-ID: <001001c52971$eb80d7a0$0200a8c0@RayJ> yea, I've got 3 servers in the list to pull from. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Cady" To: Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [Cialug] NTP > Dumb question: Were you _sending_ to all those IPs? > > Don > >>I fingered it out. For some reason it had 2 instances of ntpd running. >> >> But I killed both processes and then restarted and now all is okay. >> >> But here is what it had in /var/log/messages >> Mar 11 18:31:00 mail ntpd[91350]: sendto(132.163.4.102): Bad file >> descriptor >> Mar 11 18:31:06 mail ntpd[91350]: sendto(129.186.140.200): Bad file >> descriptor >> Mar 11 18:31:17 mail ntpd[91350]: sendto(192.43.244.18): Bad file >> descriptor >> Mar 11 18:31:44 mail ntpd[91005]: sendto(132.163.4.101): Bad file >> descriptor >> Mar 11 18:31:55 mail ntpd[91005]: sendto(129.186.140.200): Bad file >> descriptor >> Mar 11 18:31:56 mail ntpd[91005]: sendto(192.43.244.18): Bad file >> descriptor > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 15 15:19:54 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Tom Pohl) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:19:54 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Fedora Core 3 SELinux Message-ID: <7ed994ca58f1dfda3f27344eda83ad00@tcpconsulting.com> I'm installing my first FC3 box (*gasp*). Are there any Security Enhanced Linux (SELinux) experts out there? I'm trying to figure out how many gotcha's I would run into by it on. Is it really a good thing? Thanks! -Tom From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 15 15:19:12 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Dave Weis) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:19:12 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Cialug] Fedora Core 3 SELinux In-Reply-To: <7ed994ca58f1dfda3f27344eda83ad00@tcpconsulting.com> References: <7ed994ca58f1dfda3f27344eda83ad00@tcpconsulting.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 15 Mar 2005, Tom Pohl wrote: > I'm installing my first FC3 box (*gasp*). Are there any Security Enhanced > Linux (SELinux) experts out there? > > I'm trying to figure out how many gotcha's I would run into by it on. Is it > really a good thing? The default policy doesn't block anything, it just warns you when it would have. I only have one FC3 machine that I installed from scratch and had selinux functional. It didn't cause any problems with anything. Glad you are stepping out of the 80's and ditching slackware :-) -- Dave Weis "I believe there are more instances of the abridgment djweis@sjdjweis.com of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations."- James Madison From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 15 15:49:35 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Stephen Hawkins) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:49:35 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Fedora Core 3 SELinux In-Reply-To: References: <7ed994ca58f1dfda3f27344eda83ad00@tcpconsulting.com> Message-ID: <200503150949.35177.ng0g@mchsi.com> Tom, On Tuesday 15 March 2005 09:19, Dave Weis wrote: > On Tue, 15 Mar 2005, Tom Pohl wrote: > > I'm installing my first FC3 box (*gasp*). Are there any Security > > Enhanced Linux (SELinux) experts out there? I'm not sure of how much of an expert I am, probably not much, and you may be after information other then this, but to start learning about locking down my RH box, I went to this website: http://www.sns.ias.edu/~jns/security/iptables/ I learned a lot about iptables there (I am still learning about iptables and his script) and installed the script that he has on his website. I then, over a period of time, changed it here and there to accommodate things I was using that were blocked by the iptables script. His script locks things up pretty tight. Things like NTP and Linksysmon stopped working and I had to fool with the script to make them work. Anyhow that is a good place to start. Depending on what flavor of linux distro you have, /usr/sbin/iptables -L should show you what rules you are living with now. Save the file that creates them, before you start making any changes. After you look at the website, and what you have now, you may decide that you don't want to change anything. There are two versions on his web site. The old iptables script of rules is easier to understand, for me anyway, then the new shell script that sets everthing up. Hope this helps, Steve -- 73 49 111 01001001 Stephen Hawkins NG0G ng0g@arrl.net From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 15 15:51:10 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Tom Pohl) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:51:10 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Fedora Core 3 SELinux In-Reply-To: References: <7ed994ca58f1dfda3f27344eda83ad00@tcpconsulting.com> Message-ID: <75dbc77e02035ac45611e366aea34a04@tcpconsulting.com> Now now, I haven't ditched anything, I'm just adding and expanding :) -Tom On Mar 15, 2005, at 9:19 AM, Dave Weis wrote: > > On Tue, 15 Mar 2005, Tom Pohl wrote: >> I'm installing my first FC3 box (*gasp*). Are there any Security >> Enhanced Linux (SELinux) experts out there? >> >> I'm trying to figure out how many gotcha's I would run into by it on. >> Is it really a good thing? > > The default policy doesn't block anything, it just warns you when it > would have. I only have one FC3 machine that I installed from scratch > and had selinux functional. It didn't cause any problems with > anything. > > Glad you are stepping out of the 80's and ditching slackware :-) > > -- > Dave Weis "I believe there are more instances of the > abridgment > djweis@sjdjweis.com of the freedom of the people by gradual and > silent > encroachments of those in power than by violent > and sudden usurpations."- James Madison > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 15 16:18:41 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Dan Wittenberg) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:18:41 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Fedora Core 3 SELinux In-Reply-To: <200503150949.35177.ng0g@mchsi.com> References: <7ed994ca58f1dfda3f27344eda83ad00@tcpconsulting.com> <200503150949.35177.ng0g@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <1110903515.23415.2.camel@tux.its.uiowa.edu> While iptables is helpful, he was actually wondeirng about selinux which is completely different - just FYI. Dan On Tue, 2005-03-15 at 09:49, Stephen Hawkins wrote: > Tom, > > On Tuesday 15 March 2005 09:19, Dave Weis wrote: > > On Tue, 15 Mar 2005, Tom Pohl wrote: > > > I'm installing my first FC3 box (*gasp*). Are there any Security > > > Enhanced Linux (SELinux) experts out there? > > I'm not sure of how much of an expert I am, probably not much, and you may be > after information other then this, but to start learning about locking down > my RH box, I went to this website: > > http://www.sns.ias.edu/~jns/security/iptables/ > > I learned a lot about iptables there (I am still learning about iptables and > his script) and installed the script that he has on his website. I then, > over a period of time, changed it here and there to accommodate things I was > using that were blocked by the iptables script. His script locks things up > pretty tight. Things like NTP and Linksysmon stopped working and I had to > fool with the script to make them work. Anyhow that is a good place to > start. Depending on what flavor of linux distro you have, > > /usr/sbin/iptables -L > > should show you what rules you are living with now. Save the file that > creates them, before you start making any changes. After you look at the > website, and what you have now, you may decide that you don't want to change > anything. There are two versions on his web site. The old iptables script > of rules is easier to understand, for me anyway, then the new shell script > that sets everthing up. > > Hope this helps, > Steve From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 15 16:39:02 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Stephen Hawkins) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:39:02 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Fedora Core 3 SELinux In-Reply-To: <1110903515.23415.2.camel@tux.its.uiowa.edu> References: <7ed994ca58f1dfda3f27344eda83ad00@tcpconsulting.com> <200503150949.35177.ng0g@mchsi.com> <1110903515.23415.2.camel@tux.its.uiowa.edu> Message-ID: <200503151039.03018.ng0g@mchsi.com> Dan, On Tuesday 15 March 2005 10:18, Dan Wittenberg wrote: > While iptables is helpful, he was actually wondeirng about selinux which > is completely different - just FYI. Your right. I misunderstood his question. Steve -- 73 49 111 01001001 Stephen Hawkins NG0G ng0g@arrl.net From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 15 17:26:48 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Barry Von Ahsen) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:26:48 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Lan Party's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42371AD8.4010707@vonahsen.com> from Sunday: Registration has opened for our first 2005 LAN party. We'll be at the Nevlyn Center in Ankeny on March 26th from 10 am to Midnight. Don't think, just follow this link: http://www.dsmgg.org, login and register now ! of course, the site isn't coming up, but I'm sure someone here is listening that can fix that. -barry Lee wrote: > The DSMGG would hold regular LAN parties. But the site (dsmgg.org) doesn't > seem to be up. They had the biggest in the area that I'm aware of. I and a > group of 15-25 guys have one every few months. If your looking for a > straight Windows/Gaming LAN parties (very few of these guys do Linux) shoot > me your email and I'll keep you in the loop. > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On Behalf Of > John Roach > Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 7:08 PM > To: cialug@cialug.org > Subject: [Cialug] OT: Lan Party's > > > Okay, It is off topic. But here is the question? Are there any lan partys > in DSM still? If so please send me info. > > The next question is, I work for a NP company. All of our donations are > targeted at the services we offer, but not the infrastructure. Does any one > have any ideas of a fund raiser targeted at Infrustucture? I am sving some, > by linux deployments, in fact I am getting ready to do a 30 user deployment > with in 3 months. All the talk today about billings, just sparked me off. > > > Thanks, > > John Roach > From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 15 19:22:53 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:22:53 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Lan Party's In-Reply-To: <42371AD8.4010707@vonahsen.com> References: <42371AD8.4010707@vonahsen.com> Message-ID: <4237360D.1030800@visionary.com> 1. John... as one of the founding members of dsmgg, you should have known who to ask. :p We're (we being dsmgg) still doing LAN's, we've scaled back to doing about 5 or 6 per year. 2. www.dsmgg.org should be back up soon. Somebody (/me) broke the dns with a goofy cname. 3. Sign up for the next LAN! 4. Not totally OT. DSMGG uses Linux for much of their infrastructure. Some people even use linux on their gaming rigs. :) -dc Barry Von Ahsen wrote: > from Sunday: > Registration has opened for our first 2005 LAN party. We'll be at the > Nevlyn Center in Ankeny on March 26th from 10 am to Midnight. > > Don't think, just follow this link: http://www.dsmgg.org, login and > register now ! > > of course, the site isn't coming up, but I'm sure someone here is > listening that can fix that. > > -barry > > > Lee wrote: > >> The DSMGG would hold regular LAN parties. But the site (dsmgg.org) >> doesn't >> seem to be up. They had the biggest in the area that I'm aware of. I >> and a >> group of 15-25 guys have one every few months. If your looking for a >> straight Windows/Gaming LAN parties (very few of these guys do Linux) >> shoot >> me your email and I'll keep you in the loop. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On >> Behalf Of >> John Roach >> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 7:08 PM >> To: cialug@cialug.org >> Subject: [Cialug] OT: Lan Party's >> >> >> Okay, It is off topic. But here is the question? Are there any lan >> partys >> in DSM still? If so please send me info. >> >> The next question is, I work for a NP company. All of our donations are >> targeted at the services we offer, but not the infrastructure. Does >> any one >> have any ideas of a fund raiser targeted at Infrustucture? I am sving >> some, >> by linux deployments, in fact I am getting ready to do a 30 user >> deployment >> with in 3 months. All the talk today about billings, just sparked me off. >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> John Roach From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 15 19:40:45 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (John Roach) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:40:45 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Lan Party's Message-ID: <0E586967D134714094DB956D1FEF3B6722BE1D@EXCHANGE.ESSIA.local> I have not heard much out of dsmgg(Founding member/ active member two = different things...) , so I was not sure the status. Dave, drop me a = line , I have a idea to run past you. Thanks, John -----Original Message----- From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On Behalf Of David Champion Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 1:23 PM To: cialug@cialug.org Subject: Re: [Cialug] OT: Lan Party's 1. John... as one of the founding members of dsmgg, you should have=20 known who to ask. :p We're (we being dsmgg) still doing LAN's, we've scaled back to doing=20 about 5 or 6 per year. 2. www.dsmgg.org should be back up soon. Somebody (/me) broke the dns=20 with a goofy cname. 3. Sign up for the next LAN! 4. Not totally OT. DSMGG uses Linux for much of their infrastructure.=20 Some people even use linux on their gaming rigs. :) -dc Barry Von Ahsen wrote: > from Sunday: > Registration has opened for our first 2005 LAN party. We'll be at the=20 > Nevlyn Center in Ankeny on March 26th from 10 am to Midnight. >=20 > Don't think, just follow this link: http://www.dsmgg.org, login and=20 > register now ! >=20 > of course, the site isn't coming up, but I'm sure someone here is=20 > listening that can fix that. >=20 > -barry >=20 >=20 > Lee wrote: >=20 >> The DSMGG would hold regular LAN parties. But the site (dsmgg.org)=20 >> doesn't >> seem to be up. They had the biggest in the area that I'm aware of. I=20 >> and a >> group of 15-25 guys have one every few months. If your looking for a >> straight Windows/Gaming LAN parties (very few of these guys do Linux) = >> shoot >> me your email and I'll keep you in the loop. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On=20 >> Behalf Of >> John Roach >> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 7:08 PM >> To: cialug@cialug.org >> Subject: [Cialug] OT: Lan Party's >> >> >> Okay, It is off topic. But here is the question? Are there any lan=20 >> partys >> in DSM still? If so please send me info. >> >> The next question is, I work for a NP company. All of our donations = are >> targeted at the services we offer, but not the infrastructure. Does=20 >> any one >> have any ideas of a fund raiser targeted at Infrustucture? I am sving = >> some, >> by linux deployments, in fact I am getting ready to do a 30 user=20 >> deployment >> with in 3 months. All the talk today about billings, just sparked me = off. >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> John Roach _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 15 22:51:11 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (frankie) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:51:11 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] FC3 DNS PROB Message-ID: <0a90f3e652583be3b165c028a3b79d9b@raccoon.com> <<< No Message Collected >>> From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 15 22:51:11 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (frankie) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:51:11 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] FC3 DNS PROB Message-ID: <0a90f3e652583be3b165c028a3b79d9b@raccoon.com> Hi All, I have been through all my config files and figured out the zones and references. Everything looks OK as far as I can tell. Would someone be willing to look at my config files and see if they can spot the problem? Any help is much appreciated! Irv Robison IRVNET 515-720-7816 frankie@raccoon.com www.irvnet.us Optimism and perserverance have gotten me farther then anthing else I have tried. From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 16 02:39:29 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Dave Weis) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:39:29 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Cialug] FC3 DNS PROB In-Reply-To: <0a90f3e652583be3b165c028a3b79d9b@raccoon.com> References: <0a90f3e652583be3b165c028a3b79d9b@raccoon.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 15 Mar 2005, frankie wrote: > I have been through all my config files and figured out the zones and > references. Everything looks OK as far as I can tell. Would someone be > willing to look at my config files and see if they can spot the problem? Any > help is much appreciated! Send the non-comment lines of your zone file and your named.conf. -- Dave Weis "I believe there are more instances of the abridgment djweis@sjdjweis.com of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations."- James Madison From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 16 03:49:41 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (frankie) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:49:41 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] FC3 DNS PROB In-Reply-To: References: <0a90f3e652583be3b165c028a3b79d9b@raccoon.com> Message-ID: <306de2bdc8ad7dfd5dea6c01f7d2dc93@raccoon.com> --Apple-Mail-2--506204594 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi Dave, This was produced by Webmin 1.180-1.1.fc3.rf on FC3 2.6.10-1.770. I am very curious to see what you think. Thanks. named.conf options { directory "/var/named"; dump-file "/var/named/data/cache_dump.db"; statistics-file "/var/named/data/named_stats.txt"; }; controls { inet 127.0.0.1 allow { localhost; } keys { rndckey; }; }; zone "localdomain" IN { type master; file "localdomain.zone"; allow-update { none; }; }; zone "localhost" IN { type master; file "localhost.zone"; allow-update { none; }; }; zone "0.0.127.in-addr.arpa" IN { type master; file "named.local"; allow-update { none; }; }; zone "0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.ip6.arpa" IN { type master; file "named.ip6.local"; allow-update { none; }; }; zone "255.in-addr.arpa" IN { type master; file "named.broadcast"; allow-update { none; }; }; zone "0.in-addr.arpa" IN { type master; file "named.zero"; allow-update { none; }; }; include "/etc/rndc.key"; zone "mayhem.nut" { type master; file "/var/named/mayhem.nut.hosts"; }; view mayhem.nut { }; This is what it produced for a zone file for my domain: mayhem.nut.hosts $ttl 38400 mayhem.nut. IN SOA horizontal.mayhem.nut. frankie.raccoon.com. ( 1110613166 10800 3600 604800 38400 ) mayhem.nut. IN NS horizontal.mayhem.nut. horizontal.mayhem.nut. IN A 192.168.1.75 bluemoon.mayhem.nut. IN A 192.168.1.85 macman.mayhem.nut. IN A 192.168.1.95 192.168.1.75.mayhem.nut. IN PTR horizontal.mayhem.nut 192.168.1.85.mayhem.nut. IN PTR bluemoon.mayhem.nut 192.168.1.95.mayhem.nut. IN PTR macman.mayhem.nut localhost.mayhem.nut. IN A 127.0.0.1 Irv Robison IRVNET 515-720-7816 frankie@raccoon.com www.irvnet.us Optimism and perserverance have gotten me farther then anthing else I have tried. "This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation." On Mar 15, 2005, at 8:39 PM, Dave Weis wrote: > > On Tue, 15 Mar 2005, frankie wrote: >> I have been through all my config files and figured out the zones >> and references. Everything looks OK as far as I can tell. Would >> someone be willing to look at my config files and see if they can >> spot the problem? Any help is much appreciated! > > Send the non-comment lines of your zone file and your named.conf. > > -- > Dave Weis "I believe there are more instances of the > abridgment > djweis@sjdjweis.com of the freedom of the people by gradual and > silent > encroachments of those in power than by violent > and sudden usurpations."- James Madison > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > --Apple-Mail-2--506204594 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Hi Dave, This was produced by Webmin 1.180-1.1.fc3.rf on FC3 2.6.10-1.770. I am very curious to see what you think. Thanks. named.conf options { directory "/var/named"; dump-file "/var/named/data/cache_dump.db"; statistics-file "/var/named/data/named_stats.txt"; }; controls { inet 127.0.0.1 allow { localhost; } keys { rndckey; }; }; zone "localdomain" IN { type master; file "localdomain.zone"; allow-update { none; }; }; zone "localhost" IN { type master; file "localhost.zone"; allow-update { none; }; }; zone "0.0.127.in-addr.arpa" IN { type master; file "named.local"; allow-update { none; }; }; zone "0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.ip6.arpa" IN { type master; file "named.ip6.local"; allow-update { none; }; }; zone "255.in-addr.arpa" IN { type master; file "named.broadcast"; allow-update { none; }; }; zone "0.in-addr.arpa" IN { type master; file "named.zero"; allow-update { none; }; }; include "/etc/rndc.key"; zone "mayhem.nut" { type master; file "/var/named/mayhem.nut.hosts"; }; view mayhem.nut { }; This is what it produced for a zone file for my domain: mayhem.nut.hosts $ttl 38400 mayhem.nut. IN SOA horizontal.mayhem.nut. frankie.raccoon.com. ( 1110613166 10800 3600 604800 38400 ) mayhem.nut. IN NS horizontal.mayhem.nut. horizontal.mayhem.nut. IN A 192.168.1.75 bluemoon.mayhem.nut. IN A 192.168.1.85 macman.mayhem.nut. IN A 192.168.1.95 192.168.1.75.mayhem.nut. IN PTR horizontal.mayhem.nut 192.168.1.85.mayhem.nut. IN PTR bluemoon.mayhem.nut 192.168.1.95.mayhem.nut. IN PTR macman.mayhem.nut localhost.mayhem.nut. IN A 127.0.0.1 Irv Robison IRVNET 515-720-7816 frankie@raccoon.com www.irvnet.us Optimism and perserverance have gotten me farther then anthing else I have tried. "This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation." On Mar 15, 2005, at 8:39 PM, Dave Weis wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2005, frankie wrote: I have been through all my config files and figured out the zones and references. Everything looks OK as far as I can tell. Would someone be willing to look at my config files and see if they can spot the problem? Any help is much appreciated! Send the non-comment lines of your zone file and your named.conf. -- Dave Weis "I believe there are more instances of the abridgment djweis@sjdjweis.com of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations."- James Madison _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug --Apple-Mail-2--506204594-- From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 16 04:08:28 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Tom Pohl) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:08:28 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] FC3 DNS PROB In-Reply-To: <306de2bdc8ad7dfd5dea6c01f7d2dc93@raccoon.com> References: <0a90f3e652583be3b165c028a3b79d9b@raccoon.com> <306de2bdc8ad7dfd5dea6c01f7d2dc93@raccoon.com> Message-ID: --Apple-Mail-20--505077952 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Without looking too hard at it, I don't know if it would be a problem, but since you've set directory to /var/named you can reference the file /var/named/mayhem.nut.hosts as just mayhem.nut.hosts -Tom On Mar 15, 2005, at 9:49 PM, frankie wrote: > Hi Dave, > This was produced by Webmin 1.180-1.1.fc3.rf on FC3 2.6.10-1.770. I > am very curious to see what you think. Thanks. > > named.conf > options { > directory "/var/named"; > dump-file "/var/named/data/cache_dump.db"; > statistics-file "/var/named/data/named_stats.txt"; > }; > controls { > inet 127.0.0.1 allow { localhost; } keys { rndckey; }; > }; > > > zone "localdomain" IN { > type master; > file "localdomain.zone"; > allow-update { none; }; > }; > > zone "localhost" IN { > type master; > file "localhost.zone"; > allow-update { none; }; > }; > > zone "0.0.127.in-addr.arpa" IN { > type master; > file "named.local"; > allow-update { none; }; > }; > > zone > "0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.ip6.arpa > " IN { > type master; > file "named.ip6.local"; > allow-update { none; }; > }; > > zone "255.in-addr.arpa" IN { > type master; > file "named.broadcast"; > allow-update { none; }; > }; > > zone "0.in-addr.arpa" IN { > type master; > file "named.zero"; > allow-update { none; }; > }; > > include "/etc/rndc.key"; > zone "mayhem.nut" { > type master; > file "/var/named/mayhem.nut.hosts"; > }; > > view mayhem.nut { > }; > > This is what it produced for a zone file for my domain: > mayhem.nut.hosts > $ttl 38400 > mayhem.nut. IN SOA horizontal.mayhem.nut. frankie.raccoon.com. ( > 1110613166 > 10800 > 3600 > 604800 > 38400 ) > mayhem.nut. IN NS horizontal.mayhem.nut. > horizontal.mayhem.nut. IN A 192.168.1.75 > bluemoon.mayhem.nut. IN A 192.168.1.85 > macman.mayhem.nut. IN A 192.168.1.95 > 192.168.1.75.mayhem.nut. IN PTR horizontal.mayhem.nut > 192.168.1.85.mayhem.nut. IN PTR bluemoon.mayhem.nut > 192.168.1.95.mayhem.nut. IN PTR macman.mayhem.nut > localhost.mayhem.nut. IN A 127.0.0.1 > > > Irv Robison > IRVNET > 515-720-7816 > frankie@raccoon.com > www.irvnet.us > > Optimism and perserverance have gotten me farther then anthing else I > have tried. > > "This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. > If you > are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, > you > must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message > or > any information herein. If you have received this message in error, > please > advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. > Thank > you for your cooperation." > > On Mar 15, 2005, at 8:39 PM, Dave Weis wrote: > >> >> On Tue, 15 Mar 2005, frankie wrote: >>> I have been through all my config files and figured out the zones >>> and references. Everything looks OK as far as I can tell. Would >>> someone be willing to look at my config files and see if they can >>> spot the problem? Any help is much appreciated! >> >> Send the non-comment lines of your zone file and your named.conf. >> >> -- >> Dave Weis "I believe there are more instances of the >> abridgment >> djweis@sjdjweis.com of the freedom of the people by gradual and >> silent >> encroachments of those in power than by violent >> and sudden usurpations."- James Madison >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> --Apple-Mail-20--505077952 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Without looking too hard at it, I don't know if it would be a problem, but since you've set directory to /var/named you can reference the file /var/named/mayhem.nut.hosts as just mayhem.nut.hosts -Tom On Mar 15, 2005, at 9:49 PM, frankie wrote: Hi Dave, This was produced by Webmin 1.180-1.1.fc3.rf on FC3 2.6.10-1.770. I am very curious to see what you think. Thanks. named.conf options { directory "/var/named"; dump-file "/var/named/data/cache_dump.db"; statistics-file "/var/named/data/named_stats.txt"; }; controls { inet 127.0.0.1 allow { localhost; } keys { rndckey; }; }; zone "localdomain" IN { type master; file "localdomain.zone"; allow-update { none; }; }; zone "localhost" IN { type master; file "localhost.zone"; allow-update { none; }; }; zone "0.0.127.in-addr.arpa" IN { type master; file "named.local"; allow-update { none; }; }; zone "0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.ip6.arpa" IN { type master; file "named.ip6.local"; allow-update { none; }; }; zone "255.in-addr.arpa" IN { type master; file "named.broadcast"; allow-update { none; }; }; zone "0.in-addr.arpa" IN { type master; file "named.zero"; allow-update { none; }; }; include "/etc/rndc.key"; zone "mayhem.nut" { type master; file "/var/named/mayhem.nut.hosts"; }; view mayhem.nut { }; This is what it produced for a zone file for my domain: mayhem.nut.hosts $ttl 38400 mayhem.nut. IN SOA horizontal.mayhem.nut. frankie.raccoon.com. ( 1110613166 10800 3600 604800 38400 ) mayhem.nut. IN NS horizontal.mayhem.nut. horizontal.mayhem.nut. IN A 192.168.1.75 bluemoon.mayhem.nut. IN A 192.168.1.85 macman.mayhem.nut. IN A 192.168.1.95 192.168.1.75.mayhem.nut. IN PTR horizontal.mayhem.nut 192.168.1.85.mayhem.nut. IN PTR bluemoon.mayhem.nut 192.168.1.95.mayhem.nut. IN PTR macman.mayhem.nut localhost.mayhem.nut. IN A 127.0.0.1 Irv Robison IRVNET 515-720-7816 frankie@raccoon.com www.irvnet.us Optimism and perserverance have gotten me farther then anthing else I have tried. "This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation." On Mar 15, 2005, at 8:39 PM, Dave Weis wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2005, frankie wrote: I have been through all my config files and figured out the zones and references. Everything looks OK as far as I can tell. Would someone be willing to look at my config files and see if they can spot the problem? Any help is much appreciated! Send the non-comment lines of your zone file and your named.conf. -- Dave Weis "I believe there are more instances of the abridgment djweis@sjdjweis.com of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations."- James Madison _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug --Apple-Mail-20--505077952-- From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 16 04:22:15 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:22:15 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] parabolic Wireless antenna Message-ID: I have a large outdoor parabolic "grill-style" wireless antenna that never got used in it's intended project. I think it is an Andrew. I should be able to find the mounting brackets too. I'm not certain of the exact specs, I think it it is probably 24 db though. Not free, but very reasonable for a good home. If anyone is interested I can bring it to the next meeting. -Nate From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 16 04:35:36 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Don Cady) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:35:36 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Downtown Linux Meet? References: Message-ID: <002301c529e1$993bf130$6601a8c0@any7xu043c9b9i> Sounds like a good idea. Were you thinking a weekly, bi-weekly, or monthly thing? Don > Anyone else work downtown that would be interested in an occasional group > meetup over lunch somewhere, sometime? > There must be a few more of us around here. > Maybe some people who don't make the evening meetings could drop by too. > > I don't know where, Locust Mall, pitchers, younker's tea room, allies, big > leagues, winston's? > > Just an informal linux people and food thing. > > -Nate > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 16 06:19:53 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 00:19:53 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Downtown Linux Meet? Message-ID: dunno, don't want to burn out too fast. Monthly or bi-weekly sounds good right now. -----Original Message----- From: Don Cady [mailto:doncady@bigfoot.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 10:36 PM To: cialug@cialug.org Subject: Re: [Cialug] Downtown Linux Meet? Sounds like a good idea. Were you thinking a weekly, bi-weekly, or monthly thing? Don > Anyone else work downtown that would be interested in an occasional > group meetup over lunch somewhere, sometime? There must be a few more > of us around here. Maybe some people who don't make the evening > meetings could drop by too. > > I don't know where, Locust Mall, pitchers, younker's tea room, allies, > big leagues, winston's? > > Just an informal linux people and food thing. > > -Nate > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 16 07:17:40 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Matt Millard) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 01:17:40 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Downtown Linux Meet? In-Reply-To: <002301c529e1$993bf130$6601a8c0@any7xu043c9b9i> References: <002301c529e1$993bf130$6601a8c0@any7xu043c9b9i> Message-ID: <1110957460.30538.218438834@webmail.messagingengine.com> I'd also probably be interested in meeting up with other people to chat about Linux too. I find it too difficult to make it to any of the meetings at night so a lunch get together would be cool. I'll ask around Principal and see if anyone else would be interested. Matt On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:35:36 -0600, "Don Cady" said: > Sounds like a good idea. Were you thinking a weekly, bi-weekly, or > monthly > thing? > > Don > > > Anyone else work downtown that would be interested in an occasional group > > meetup over lunch somewhere, sometime? > > There must be a few more of us around here. > > Maybe some people who don't make the evening meetings could drop by too. > > > > I don't know where, Locust Mall, pitchers, younker's tea room, allies, big > > leagues, winston's? > > > > Just an informal linux people and food thing. > > > > -Nate > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug@cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug --- Matt Millard gocyclones@eml.cc http://www.millardfam.com From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 16 15:23:15 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:23:15 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Can two turtles run twice as fast? Message-ID: VIA launches Dual CPU Mini-ITX Don't get me wrong, I really like the mini-itx. This looks like Geek fun: http://www.mini-itx.com/news/98402024/ -Nate From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 16 15:28:59 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Korver, Aaron) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:28:59 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] meeting topics Message-ID: <0205C50D41B7D611AEA50002A537CEC20328EBA1@DES10MS01> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C52A3C.DFFF1DD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Is this the meeting topic? > -----Original Message----- > From: Nathan C. Smith [mailto:smith@ipmvs.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 2:44 PM > To: 'cialug@cialug.org' > Subject: RE: [Cialug] meeting topics > > > I second that? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Hilton [mailto:chris129@cs.iastate.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 2:27 PM > To: cialug@cialug.org > Subject: Re: [Cialug] meeting topics > > > > I vote for CVS. I should be able to attend this month! > > Dave Weis wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 9 Mar 2005, Nathan C. Smith wrote: > > > >> I'd like to learn how to use CVS, effectively. > > > > > > I can do a small bit of that, but I'm not terribly advanced. > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: David Champion [mailto:dave@visionary.com] > >> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 6:14 PM > >> To: cialug@cialug.org > >> Subject: [Cialug] meeting topics > >> > >> > >> > >> Any suggestions / volunteers for meeting topics this month? 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Is this the meeting topic?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nathan C. Smith [mailto:smith@ipmvs.com]
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> To: 'cialug@cialug.org'
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Hilton [mailto:chris129@cs.iastate.edu]
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> To: cialug@cialug.org
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> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 6:14 = PM
> >> To: cialug@cialug.org
> >> Subject: [Cialug] meeting = topics
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> >> Any suggestions / volunteers for = meeting topics this month? Anyone
> >> done anything nifty lately, say, = like... set up postfix & mysql? :p
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C52A3C.DFFF1DD0-- From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 16 15:54:01 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (albus) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:54:01 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Meeting Topic Message-ID: <004101c52a40$5f71e360$0200a8c0@RayJ> Chanting --> CVS, CVS, CVS etc..... BEER mmmmmmmmm Joel From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 16 16:39:22 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:39:22 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] meeting topics In-Reply-To: <0205C50D41B7D611AEA50002A537CEC20328EBA1@DES10MS01> References: <0205C50D41B7D611AEA50002A537CEC20328EBA1@DES10MS01> Message-ID: <4238613A.1070500@visionary.com> Dave Weis says below he can do some CVS... Dave are you up for this tonite? Anyone else want to help Dave out? -dc Korver, Aaron wrote: > Is this the meeting topic? > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Nathan C. Smith [mailto:smith@ipmvs.com] >>Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 2:44 PM >>To: 'cialug@cialug.org' >>Subject: RE: [Cialug] meeting topics >> >> >>I second that? >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Chris Hilton [mailto:chris129@cs.iastate.edu] >>Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 2:27 PM >>To: cialug@cialug.org >>Subject: Re: [Cialug] meeting topics >> >> >> >>I vote for CVS. I should be able to attend this month! >> >>Dave Weis wrote: >> >> >>>On Wed, 9 Mar 2005, Nathan C. Smith wrote: >>> >>> >>>>I'd like to learn how to use CVS, effectively. >>> >>> >>>I can do a small bit of that, but I'm not terribly advanced. >>> >>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: David Champion [mailto:dave@visionary.com] >>>>Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 6:14 PM >>>>To: cialug@cialug.org >>>>Subject: [Cialug] meeting topics >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Any suggestions / volunteers for meeting topics this month? Anyone >>>>done anything nifty lately, say, like... set up postfix & mysql? :p >>>> >>>>-dc From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 16 16:47:41 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:47:41 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] meeting topics Message-ID: I'll ask good questions. thanks for volunteering Dave. -----Original Message----- From: David Champion [mailto:dave@visionary.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 10:39 AM To: cialug@cialug.org Subject: Re: [Cialug] meeting topics Dave Weis says below he can do some CVS... Dave are you up for this tonite? Anyone else want to help Dave out? -dc Korver, Aaron wrote: > Is this the meeting topic? > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Nathan C. Smith [mailto:smith@ipmvs.com] >>Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 2:44 PM >>To: 'cialug@cialug.org' >>Subject: RE: [Cialug] meeting topics >> >> >>I second that? >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Chris Hilton [mailto:chris129@cs.iastate.edu] >>Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 2:27 PM >>To: cialug@cialug.org >>Subject: Re: [Cialug] meeting topics >> >> >> >>I vote for CVS. I should be able to attend this month! >> >>Dave Weis wrote: >> >> >>>On Wed, 9 Mar 2005, Nathan C. Smith wrote: >>> >>> >>>>I'd like to learn how to use CVS, effectively. >>> >>> >>>I can do a small bit of that, but I'm not terribly advanced. >>> >>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: David Champion [mailto:dave@visionary.com] >>>>Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 6:14 PM >>>>To: cialug@cialug.org >>>>Subject: [Cialug] meeting topics >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Any suggestions / volunteers for meeting topics this month? Anyone >>>>done anything nifty lately, say, like... set up postfix & mysql? :p >>>> >>>>-dc _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 16 17:16:57 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (albus) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:16:57 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] meeting topics References: Message-ID: <006b01c52a4b$f582f000$0200a8c0@RayJ> I can help. Need comic relief. Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan C. Smith" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 10:47 AM Subject: RE: [Cialug] meeting topics > I'll ask good questions. > thanks for volunteering Dave. > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Champion [mailto:dave@visionary.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 10:39 AM > To: cialug@cialug.org > Subject: Re: [Cialug] meeting topics > > > > Dave Weis says below he can do some CVS... > > Dave are you up for this tonite? > > Anyone else want to help Dave out? > > -dc > > Korver, Aaron wrote: >> Is this the meeting topic? >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Nathan C. Smith [mailto:smith@ipmvs.com] >>>Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 2:44 PM >>>To: 'cialug@cialug.org' >>>Subject: RE: [Cialug] meeting topics >>> >>> >>>I second that? >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Chris Hilton [mailto:chris129@cs.iastate.edu] >>>Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 2:27 PM >>>To: cialug@cialug.org >>>Subject: Re: [Cialug] meeting topics >>> >>> >>> >>>I vote for CVS. I should be able to attend this month! >>> >>>Dave Weis wrote: >>> >>> >>>>On Wed, 9 Mar 2005, Nathan C. Smith wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>I'd like to learn how to use CVS, effectively. >>>> >>>> >>>>I can do a small bit of that, but I'm not terribly advanced. >>>> >>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: David Champion [mailto:dave@visionary.com] >>>>>Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 6:14 PM >>>>>To: cialug@cialug.org >>>>>Subject: [Cialug] meeting topics >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Any suggestions / volunteers for meeting topics this month? Anyone >>>>>done anything nifty lately, say, like... set up postfix & mysql? :p >>>>> >>>>>-dc > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 16 17:51:45 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (cialug@cialug.org) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:51:45 +0000 Subject: [Cialug] meeting topics Message-ID: <031620051751.9674.423872310007E5E2000025CA2197924741CECECF02019C04079903079B@mchsi.com> I can probably help some too. We use CVS at work, but we've done some custom scripts to fit our needs. -- Tim W. > I can help. > > Need comic relief. > > > Joel > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nathan C. Smith" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 10:47 AM > Subject: RE: [Cialug] meeting topics > > > > I'll ask good questions. > > thanks for volunteering Dave. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David Champion [mailto:dave@visionary.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 10:39 AM > > To: cialug@cialug.org > > Subject: Re: [Cialug] meeting topics > > > > > > > > Dave Weis says below he can do some CVS... > > > > Dave are you up for this tonite? > > > > Anyone else want to help Dave out? > > > > -dc > > > > Korver, Aaron wrote: > >> Is this the meeting topic? > >> > >> > >>>-----Original Message----- > >>>From: Nathan C. Smith [mailto:smith@ipmvs.com] > >>>Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 2:44 PM > >>>To: 'cialug@cialug.org' > >>>Subject: RE: [Cialug] meeting topics > >>> > >>> > >>>I second that? > >>> > >>>-----Original Message----- > >>>From: Chris Hilton [mailto:chris129@cs.iastate.edu] > >>>Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 2:27 PM > >>>To: cialug@cialug.org > >>>Subject: Re: [Cialug] meeting topics > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>I vote for CVS. I should be able to attend this month! > >>> > >>>Dave Weis wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>On Wed, 9 Mar 2005, Nathan C. Smith wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>I'd like to learn how to use CVS, effectively. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>I can do a small bit of that, but I'm not terribly advanced. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>>From: David Champion [mailto:dave@visionary.com] > >>>>>Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 6:14 PM > >>>>>To: cialug@cialug.org > >>>>>Subject: [Cialug] meeting topics > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>Any suggestions / volunteers for meeting topics this month? Anyone > >>>>>done anything nifty lately, say, like... set up postfix & mysql? :p > >>>>> > >>>>>-dc > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug@cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug@cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 16 18:12:08 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (cialug@cialug.org) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:12:08 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] JOB OPENING: Operating Systems and networking software development using Linux and OS-9 Message-ID: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0063FC4F86256FC6_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" RadiSys has some job openings in our Des Moines office. http://www.radisys.com/ We are doing some cool operating system development (Linux and OS-9) and networking software development. We are looking for new college graduates or someone with a few years experience. Please pass the information on to others. When someone applies for the job, please indicate that I (John Lengeling) referred them to RadiSys as I would get a referral fee if they are hired. http://www.radisys.com/careers/jobs_detail.cfm?jobsid=148 http://www.radisys.com/careers/jobs_detail.cfm?jobsid=149 John Lengeling RadiSys Corporation 515-327-2476 john.lengeling@radisys.com --=_alternative 0063FC4F86256FC6_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
RadiSys has some job openings in our Des Moines office.

http://www.radisys.com/

We are doing some cool operating system development (Linux and OS-9) and networking software development.  We are looking for new college graduates or someone with a few years experience.  Please pass the information on to others.  When someone applies for the job, please indicate that I (John Lengeling) referred them to RadiSys as I would get a referral fee if they are hired.

http://www.radisys.com/careers/jobs_detail.cfm?jobsid=148
http://www.radisys.com/careers/jobs_detail.cfm?jobsid=149

John Lengeling
RadiSys Corporation
515-327-2476
john.lengeling@radisys.com --=_alternative 0063FC4F86256FC6_=-- From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 17 01:07:14 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:07:14 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Cialug] Iowa Training Days (fwd) Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --------------3719DC3114D611A3A55BEB4A Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:55:39 -0600 From: Dan Hotka To: dave@visionary.com, webmaster@cialug.org Subject: Iowa Training Days Hi Dave, I am running a multi-user group event on April 14. I thought you might like to be a part of this. Check out www.IowaTrainingDays.com . You are welcome to forward this one to your user community...I'll have an updated one for you each weekend for emailing to your user group over the weekend(s). In return for forwarding my weekly updated agenda to your user group members, I will put your link with the other participating user groups on this website, and I am providing a booth for the user groups to share to attract more membership. I did subscribe to your group...I cannot make tonights meeting but would love to come when I can. I am running Oracle on Linux...I do training and can easily do some scripting tips type presentations for your group on occasion. I am VERY interested in some Linux related topics...shell scripting...tuning Linux, case studies!!! I'd like to host your April meeting perhaps...let me know if you can send me your speakers for April for this event...your speakers would have the CIALUG name under them so your members would know it is one of your supplied speakers. 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PROB In-Reply-To: References: <0a90f3e652583be3b165c028a3b79d9b@raccoon.com> <306de2bdc8ad7dfd5dea6c01f7d2dc93@raccoon.com> Message-ID: I think I got it. Found a DNS howto and chowned the permissions on named.conf to named.named, then created a soft link to /var/named/mayhem.nut.hosts from /var/named/chroot/var/named/mayhem.nut.hosts. When I rebooted and check the logs I am got: /etc/named.conf:27: when using view statements, all zones must be in views. I deleted the view entry from named.conf and rebooted. This produced the error localdomain already exists. I checked and named.conf had two entries so i deleted the second entry. I checked the logs and named had not started due to a fatal error. So I ran /etc/init.d/named restart and it restarted OK. Ran dig and status changed from NXDOMAIN to NOERROR. Nslookup changed to 'Can't find mayhem.nut: No answer' from '" ":nxdomain'. Host command pulls up IP addy and named-checkzone is OK. If this helps anyone, the frustration will have been worth it. Thanks to those who responded. Irv Robison IRVNET 515-720-7816 frankie@raccoon.com www.irvnet.us Optimism and perserverance have gotten me farther then anthing else I have tried. "This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation." On Mar 15, 2005, at 10:08 PM, Tom Pohl wrote: > Without looking too hard at it, I don't know if it would be a problem, > but since you've set directory to /var/named you can reference the > file /var/named/mayhem.nut.hosts as just mayhem.nut.hosts > > -Tom > > On Mar 15, 2005, at 9:49 PM, frankie wrote: > From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 17 15:42:19 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Chris Hettinger) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:42:19 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Mandrakes Future Message-ID: <4239A55B.9050305@raccoon.com> Twice this week I've heard a rumor/concern that Mandrake may be no more. One of the sources came from a Linux training class that a co-worker recently attended. I'm just curious what others may have heard or read on the issue. Dave C. I know you use MDK primarily what have you heard or felt about the issue/concerns, assuming you've heard it. Thanks -ch From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 17 15:58:59 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Lee) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:58:59 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Mandrakes Future In-Reply-To: <4239A55B.9050305@raccoon.com> Message-ID: Last I heard they were still doing well since exiting bankruptcy last year. -----Original Message----- From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On Behalf Of Chris Hettinger Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 9:42 AM To: cialug@cialug.org Subject: [Cialug] Mandrakes Future Twice this week I've heard a rumor/concern that Mandrake may be no more. One of the sources came from a Linux training class that a co-worker recently attended. I'm just curious what others may have heard or read on the issue. Dave C. I know you use MDK primarily what have you heard or felt about the issue/concerns, assuming you've heard it. Thanks -ch _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 17 16:31:41 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:31:41 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Mandrakes Future In-Reply-To: <4239A55B.9050305@raccoon.com> References: <4239A55B.9050305@raccoon.com> Message-ID: <4239B0ED.7080800@visionary.com> Chris Hettinger wrote: > Twice this week I've heard a rumor/concern that Mandrake may be no more. > One of the sources came from a Linux training class that a co-worker > recently attended. > > I'm just curious what others may have heard or read on the issue. > > Dave C. I know you use MDK primarily what have you heard or felt about > the issue/concerns, assuming you've heard it. > > Thanks > -ch They've been out of bankrupcy for about a year, and just purchased Connectiva Linux (was big in Brazil) - mostly just a stock swap. I haven't heard any rumors of their demise. I'd be interested in hearing anything "real" on this, because all indications I see is that they're going strong. -dc From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 17 16:49:13 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:49:13 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Mandrakes Future In-Reply-To: <4239B0ED.7080800@visionary.com> References: <4239A55B.9050305@raccoon.com> <4239B0ED.7080800@visionary.com> Message-ID: <4239B509.8060104@visionary.com> David Champion wrote: > Chris Hettinger wrote: > >> Twice this week I've heard a rumor/concern that Mandrake may be no >> more. One of the sources came from a Linux training class that a >> co-worker recently attended. >> >> I'm just curious what others may have heard or read on the issue. >> >> Dave C. I know you use MDK primarily what have you heard or felt about >> the issue/concerns, assuming you've heard it. >> >> Thanks >> -ch > > > They've been out of bankrupcy for about a year, and just purchased > Connectiva Linux (was big in Brazil) - mostly just a stock swap. I > haven't heard any rumors of their demise. > > I'd be interested in hearing anything "real" on this, because all > indications I see is that they're going strong. > Here's some more info for you... http://www.mandrakesoft.com/company/press/pr?n=/pr/corporate/2539 http://www.mandrakesoft.com/company/investors/financials http://www.mandrakesoft.com/company/investors/newsletter/sn041201 http://www.ofb.biz/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=349 -dc From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 17 19:19:13 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (cialug@cialug.org) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:19:13 +0000 Subject: [Cialug] March Meeting Notes Message-ID: <031720051919.18507.4239D8310000A6B90000484B2197926761CECECF02019C04079903079B@mchsi.com> Meeting Notes 3/16/2005 Plans for an Installfest are still being discussed. Iowa training days happens April 14th. http://www.iowatrainingdays.com To get the most out of your Mac laptop battery when running Linux, make sure to have ACPI installed. Some distros do not install ACPI by default. Knoppix can run in Windows using a virtual machine. It also ships with Captive to allow read/write NTFS. Knoppix: http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html Captive: http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/ A live distro called Puppy fits on a small CD, but the session is not closed. When you exit, it will write the config files to a new track on the CD. http://www.goosee.com/puppy/news.htm Check out http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/usb-qemu.html for a distro that runs in a virtual machine under Windows. Small enough to fit on a USB thumb drive! Looking for software to create a blog? Try Wordpress 1.5. http://wordpress.org/. Go to http://conrey.org to see a site using Wordpress. Cedega – Commercial version of Wine developed for gaming. You can check it out of a CVS repository. Check out http://www.transgaming.com/ Upcoming Lan Party! Check out http://www.dsmgg.org/ Map multiple game controllers to one virtual controller in Windows. http://www.franknstik.com/ Hula mail. Send a meeting invite to someone, hula will show an Accept button and allow them to accept the meeting invite and add it to their calendar. It will also e-mail a response back to you. http://www.hula-project.org/ Linux/Unix tip: Put a backslash in front of commands to get the unaliased version of the command. For example \ls will run the raw ls, instead of an alias called ls. CVS Demonstration by Dave Weis export CVSROOT=:pserver:anoncvs@cvs.digium.com/usr/cvsroot Where: pserver is the type of CVS server you are running (provided by CVS) anoncvs is the user name to login with cvs.foobar.com:/usr/cvsroot is the machine and path to the CVS Root you are trying to access. Once you log in, you should not have to log in again. CVS puts the information necessary to login with in .cvspass in the user’s home directory. cvs co –D “1 week ago” project Retrieves project from CVS as it looked 1 week ago. cvs update –D “now” Updates what has been updated in the repository compared to what you have checked out. cvs diff –u Tells you what is different between the repository and what you have checked out. cvs annotate file Shows the file, but says who added or last modified each line and when they did it. Use CVS without adding users to the system: Modify the password file under $CVSROOT/CVSROOT. Do this by checking out the file, modifying it, and checking it in. This will only work through pserver. cvs ci Brings up an editor window and allows you to type in a comment for what change you made. This will check in your changes into the repository. If you won’t have others working on your files, but you want version control, you can do this with CVS. 1. Create a directory for the CVS repository: mkdir cvsroot 2. Set the CVSROOT environment variable to point to the newly created directory: export CVSROOT=/home/user/cvsroot 3. Initialize the repository: cvs init 4. Next you will need to import your project into CVS: cvs import –m “Initial Import” project vendor_tag release_tag This will import the directory structure for “project” into CVS. In the CVS Log, a message will be added that says “Initial Import”. The vendor_tag and release_tag will be added to the project. The vendor_tag is a tag for the entire branch, where release_tag is the tag used for the release. cvs add file will add an existing file to the repository. You have to run cvs commit to commit it to the repository. You can use cvs add and cvs commit instead of cvs import, if you only have a couple files. If you need to bring an entire directory structure into CVS, use cvs import. CVS ignores files it doesn’t know about. If you do a cvs update, it will mark files it doesn’t know about with a ‘?’. To hide files from CVS, create a “.cvsignore” file. Put the names of the files you want to ignore in this file. This will need to be added and committed to the repository. TortoiseCVS – A windows based CVS server. Adds entries to the context menu in Windows Explorer. Checkout http://www.tortoisecvs.org/ -- Tim W. From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 17 19:40:58 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:40:58 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] March Meeting Notes In-Reply-To: <031720051919.18507.4239D8310000A6B90000484B2197926761CECECF02019C04079903079B@mchsi.com> References: <031720051919.18507.4239D8310000A6B90000484B2197926761CECECF02019C04079903079B@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <4239DD4A.6080307@visionary.com> Thanks to Dave W. for the CVS presentation... along with input from Josh and Nathan and others. -dc From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 17 20:11:11 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Doug Hesseltine) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:11:11 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] CORE files Message-ID: <4239E45F.1030701@earthlink.net> I have a server running Fedora and cPanel.  On this server I have a site using a php/MySQL ecommerce cart OS-Commerce.   For some reason the site is getting errors and generating files in the root WWW folder named core.#### (some number)  It looks as though a new file is created each time the site cannot display a page (which I am not sure what is causing this problem either) 

These core files range in size and are quickly filling up the available drive space if not regularly deleted. 

Another problem which I am not sure is related or not but the site continues to get Internal Server errors at various times.  One time the page appears to load fine and another the error is displayed.  I have other sites on the same server that are working fine.

Can anybody help me out in determining what these core files are and how to stop them?


From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 17 20:31:35 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Lee) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:31:35 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Laughable Message-ID: Ok, lets all give up and go home. A group of Industry heavyweights declares Linux isn't ready for the enterprise! http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39191533,00.htm From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 17 20:52:32 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (admin) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:52:32 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Laughable In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: oh my. my favorite line from that article: Additionally, he said that Linux is not significantly cheaper than alternative operating systems. anyone else smell the smoke? i think a fire's on its way. this article is just too hot to let go. -----Original Message----- From: "Lee" To: "Cialug@Cialug.Org" Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:31:35 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Laughable > Ok, lets all give up and go home. A group of Industry heavyweights > declares > Linux isn't ready for the enterprise! > > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39191533,00.htm > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug ------------------------- want an email address ending in @c0wzftp.com? send an email on over to admin@c0wzftp.com From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 17 20:42:18 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Korver, Aaron) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:42:18 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Laughable Message-ID: <0205C50D41B7D611AEA50002A537CEC20328EBB4@DES10MS01> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C52B31.CFA77FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I don't think he is talking about the software, but the price of a knowledge base to run and administrate the system. > -----Original Message----- > From: admin [mailto:admin@c0wzftp.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 2:53 PM > To: cialug@cialug.org > Subject: Re: [Cialug] Laughable > > > oh my. my favorite line from that article: > > Additionally, he said that Linux is not significantly cheaper than > alternative operating systems. > > anyone else smell the smoke? i think a fire's on its way. > this article is > just too hot to let go. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Lee" > To: "Cialug@Cialug.Org" > Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:31:35 -0600 > Subject: [Cialug] Laughable > > > Ok, lets all give up and go home. A group of Industry heavyweights > > declares > > Linux isn't ready for the enterprise! > > > > > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39191533,00.htm > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug@cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > ------------------------- > want an email address ending in @c0wzftp.com? > send an email on over to admin@c0wzftp.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C52B31.CFA77FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [Cialug] Laughable

I don't think he is talking about the software, but = the price of a knowledge base to run and administrate the = system.

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> Subject: [Cialug] Laughable
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C52B31.CFA77FE0-- From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 17 20:52:00 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Mark Hesseltine) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:52:00 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] CORE files In-Reply-To: <4239E45F.1030701@earthlink.net> References: <4239E45F.1030701@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <35e03aae050317125240b7acf9@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:11:11 -0600, Doug Hesseltine wrote: > I have a server running Fedora and cPanel. On this server I have a site > using a php/MySQL ecommerce cart OS-Commerce. For some reason the site is > getting errors and generating files in the root WWW folder named core.#### > (some number) It looks as though a new file is created each time the site > cannot display a page (which I am not sure what is causing this problem > either) > > These core files range in size and are quickly filling up the available > drive space if not regularly deleted. A quick Google found this: http://bloghouse.net/index.php?p=24 Something about searching lots of comments causing a core dump. > > Another problem which I am not sure is related or not but the site > continues to get Internal Server errors at various times. One time the page > appears to load fine and another the error is displayed. I have other sites > on the same server that are working fine. > > Can anybody help me out in determining what these core files are and how to > stop them? > > > _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -- Mark Hesseltine mailto:markhesseltine@gmail.com From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 17 20:59:26 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Barry Von Ahsen) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:59:26 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] new cable modem advice Message-ID: <4239EFAE.2020706@vonahsen.com> as I was complaining about last night, I'm about to ditch my P.O.S. RCA cable modem, and I'm soliciting advice for it's replacement. From what I can google, the Motorola surf board 5100 seems pretty good. Agree, disagree, or is there something better/equivalent but cheaper? -barry From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 17 20:58:23 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:58:23 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] CORE files In-Reply-To: <35e03aae050317125240b7acf9@mail.gmail.com> References: <4239E45F.1030701@earthlink.net> <35e03aae050317125240b7acf9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4239EF6F.3020905@visionary.com> Mark Hesseltine wrote: > On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:11:11 -0600, Doug Hesseltine > wrote: > >> I have a server running Fedora and cPanel. On this server I have a site >>using a php/MySQL ecommerce cart OS-Commerce. For some reason the site is >>getting errors and generating files in the root WWW folder named core.#### >>(some number) It looks as though a new file is created each time the site >>cannot display a page (which I am not sure what is causing this problem >>either) >> >> These core files range in size and are quickly filling up the available >>drive space if not regularly deleted. > > > A quick Google found this: > http://bloghouse.net/index.php?p=24 > Something about searching lots of comments causing a core dump. > > >> >> Another problem which I am not sure is related or not but the site >>continues to get Internal Server errors at various times. One time the page >>appears to load fine and another the error is displayed. I have other sites >>on the same server that are working fine. >> >> Can anybody help me out in determining what these core files are and how to >>stop them? Hmmm... sounds like a bug in the cgi-bin. Is that "MT" cgi OSS, or binary only? -dc From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 17 21:03:26 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Scott Phillips) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:03:26 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Laughable In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20050317145929.022853f0@mail.drake.edu> "A large enterprise needs to be sure because it relates to securifying [sic] the environment." Since when is "securifying" a word? Am I missing something? Even if it is, that sentence doesn't make sense. At 02:31 PM 3/17/2005 -0600, you wrote: >Ok, lets all give up and go home. A group of Industry heavyweights declares >Linux isn't ready for the enterprise! > >http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39191533,00.htm > >_______________________________________________ >Cialug mailing list >Cialug@cialug.org >http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug Scott Phillips Web Developer Cowles Library, Drake University (515) 271-2975 From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 17 21:09:29 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Mark Hesseltine) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:09:29 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] CORE files In-Reply-To: <4239EF6F.3020905@visionary.com> References: <4239E45F.1030701@earthlink.net> <35e03aae050317125240b7acf9@mail.gmail.com> <4239EF6F.3020905@visionary.com> Message-ID: <35e03aae050317130960e38555@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:58:23 -0600, David Champion wrote: > Mark Hesseltine wrote: > > On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:11:11 -0600, Doug Hesseltine > > wrote: > > > >> I have a server running Fedora and cPanel. On this server I have a site > >>using a php/MySQL ecommerce cart OS-Commerce. For some reason the site is > >>getting errors and generating files in the root WWW folder named core.#### > >>(some number) It looks as though a new file is created each time the site > >>cannot display a page (which I am not sure what is causing this problem > >>either) > >> > >> These core files range in size and are quickly filling up the available > >>drive space if not regularly deleted. > > > > > > A quick Google found this: > > http://bloghouse.net/index.php?p=24 > > Something about searching lots of comments causing a core dump. > > > > > >> > >> Another problem which I am not sure is related or not but the site > >>continues to get Internal Server errors at various times. One time the page > >>appears to load fine and another the error is displayed. I have other sites > >>on the same server that are working fine. > >> > >> Can anybody help me out in determining what these core files are and how to > >>stop them? > > Hmmm... sounds like a bug in the cgi-bin. Is that "MT" cgi OSS, or > binary only? > > -dc I have no idea. My first assumption is that it's Movable Type, but I'm just guessing. -- Mark Hesseltine mailto:markhesseltine@gmail.com From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 17 21:10:51 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Lee) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:10:51 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] new cable modem advice In-Reply-To: <4239EFAE.2020706@vonahsen.com> Message-ID: The two best cable modems I've used were from Best Data and Motorola. An RCA happened to be the worst. -----Original Message----- From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On Behalf Of Barry Von Ahsen Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 2:59 PM To: Central Iowa Linux Group Subject: [Cialug] new cable modem advice as I was complaining about last night, I'm about to ditch my P.O.S. RCA cable modem, and I'm soliciting advice for it's replacement. From what I can google, the Motorola surf board 5100 seems pretty good. Agree, disagree, or is there something better/equivalent but cheaper? -barry _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 17 21:11:49 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Lee) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:11:49 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Laughable In-Reply-To: <0205C50D41B7D611AEA50002A537CEC20328EBB4@DES10MS01> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C52B03.A4819860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RE: [Cialug] LaughableI realize this is a little off the topic. But I need to say it. One amazing thing about the whole cost of training and support argument. I've seen first hand what going to a new version of Windows for instance can cost in training and support. If you follow many vendors prefered upgrade path. You send your techs and engineers to classes and get the certs for every major upgrade. Yes it may involve a far lesser learning curve migrating from one version to another of the same platform. But to say that there is such a difference becuase of those costs, isn't fairly comparing the true (overall) price tag. Yes it may be true that training could actually cost more than getting this OS on x number of seats. But what happens when you need to add training or additional support to the other guys product as well? -----Original Message----- From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On Behalf Of Korver, Aaron Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 2:42 PM To: 'cialug@cialug.org' Subject: RE: [Cialug] Laughable I don't think he is talking about the software, but the price of a knowledge base to run and administrate the system. > -----Original Message----- > From: admin [mailto:admin@c0wzftp.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 2:53 PM > To: cialug@cialug.org > Subject: Re: [Cialug] Laughable > > > oh my. my favorite line from that article: > > Additionally, he said that Linux is not significantly cheaper than > alternative operating systems. > > anyone else smell the smoke? i think a fire's on its way. > this article is > just too hot to let go. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Lee" > To: "Cialug@Cialug.Org" > Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:31:35 -0600 > Subject: [Cialug] Laughable > > > Ok, lets all give up and go home. A group of Industry heavyweights > > declares > > Linux isn't ready for the enterprise! > > > > > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39191533,00.htm > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug@cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > ------------------------- > want an email address ending in @c0wzftp.com? > send an email on over to admin@c0wzftp.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C52B03.A4819860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [Cialug] Laughable
I=20 realize this is a little off the topic. But I need to say=20 it.
 
One=20 amazing thing about the whole cost of training and support argument. = I've seen=20 first hand what going to a new version of Windows for instance can cost = in=20 training and support. If you follow many vendors prefered = upgrade=20 path. You send your techs and engineers to classes and get the certs for = every=20 major upgrade. Yes it may involve a far lesser learning=20 curve migrating from one version to another of the same = platform.=20 But to say that there is such a difference becuase of those = costs,=20 isn't fairly comparing the true (overall) price tag. Yes it may be true = that=20 training could actually cost more than getting this OS on x number = of=20 seats. But what happens when you need to add training or additional = support to=20 the other guys product as well?
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I don't think he is talking about the software, but = the price=20 of a knowledge base to run and administrate the system.

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------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C52B03.A4819860-- From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 17 21:15:14 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Lee) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:15:14 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Laughable In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20050317145929.022853f0@mail.drake.edu> Message-ID: The argument sounds made up, so why not add a few non-words for good measure. Smoke and mirrors... Smoke and mirrors! -----Original Message----- From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On Behalf Of Scott Phillips Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 3:03 PM To: cialug@cialug.org Subject: Re: [Cialug] Laughable "A large enterprise needs to be sure because it relates to securifying [sic] the environment." Since when is "securifying" a word? Am I missing something? Even if it is, that sentence doesn't make sense. At 02:31 PM 3/17/2005 -0600, you wrote: >Ok, lets all give up and go home. A group of Industry heavyweights declares >Linux isn't ready for the enterprise! > >http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39191533,00.htm > >_______________________________________________ >Cialug mailing list >Cialug@cialug.org >http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug Scott Phillips Web Developer Cowles Library, Drake University (515) 271-2975 _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 17 21:21:13 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Korver, Aaron) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:21:13 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Laughable Message-ID: <0205C50D41B7D611AEA50002A537CEC20328EBB6@DES10MS01> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C52B37.3F1FEE20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Another large cost factor is legacy systems. Look at the programs that you use on a daily basis. Then think about the infrastructure programs such as Active Directory and Exchange. I think we all would like to see Linux plus OSS being used more and more, but migration and training are still the two biggest hurdles to overcome. Not just the training of engineers and techs, but of your employees as well. For example, switching from Microsoft Office to Open Office. This may not be a large impact, but it will still be an impact to some companies. Impacts = money, either through spending for training or a loss of productivity. So a summary (perhaps incomplete) of costs to use Linux Training (of techs and engineers) Training (of users) Support (help desk and tech support issues) Migration (data migration and switching to different software applications) If the Linux/OSS community can lower these costs, then the Return on Investment will go way up for a company. When (note not if, as I believe it will happen) this happens is when Linux is ready for the enterprise. On a happy note, the ROI for a starting company make Linux + OSS the most obvious choice. So at least the Microsofts of the world have a difficult time with new companies. -----Original Message----- From: Lee [mailto:leeh@csi-rics.com] Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 3:12 PM To: cialug@cialug.org Subject: RE: [Cialug] Laughable I realize this is a little off the topic. But I need to say it. One amazing thing about the whole cost of training and support argument. I've seen first hand what going to a new version of Windows for instance can cost in training and support. If you follow many vendors prefered upgrade path. You send your techs and engineers to classes and get the certs for every major upgrade. Yes it may involve a far lesser learning curve migrating from one version to another of the same platform. But to say that there is such a difference becuase of those costs, isn't fairly comparing the true (overall) price tag. Yes it may be true that training could actually cost more than getting this OS on x number of seats. But what happens when you need to add training or additional support to the other guys product as well? -----Original Message----- From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On Behalf Of Korver, Aaron Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 2:42 PM To: 'cialug@cialug.org' Subject: RE: [Cialug] Laughable I don't think he is talking about the software, but the price of a knowledge base to run and administrate the system. > -----Original Message----- > From: admin [ mailto:admin@c0wzftp.com ] > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 2:53 PM > To: cialug@cialug.org > Subject: Re: [Cialug] Laughable > > > oh my. my favorite line from that article: > > Additionally, he said that Linux is not significantly cheaper than > alternative operating systems. > > anyone else smell the smoke? i think a fire's on its way. > this article is > just too hot to let go. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Lee" > To: "Cialug@Cialug.Org" > Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:31:35 -0600 > Subject: [Cialug] Laughable > > > Ok, lets all give up and go home. A group of Industry heavyweights > > declares > > Linux isn't ready for the enterprise! > > > > > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39191533,00.htm > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug@cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > ------------------------- > want an email address ending in @c0wzftp.com? > send an email on over to admin@c0wzftp.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C52B37.3F1FEE20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: [Cialug] Laughable
Another large cost factor is legacy systems.  Look at the programs that you use on a daily basis.  Then think about the infrastructure programs such as Active Directory and Exchange.  I think we all would like to see Linux plus OSS being used more and more, but migration and training are still the two biggest hurdles to overcome.  Not just the training of engineers and techs, but of your employees as well.  For example, switching from Microsoft Office to Open Office.  This may not be a large impact, but it will still be an impact to some companies.  Impacts = money, either through spending for training or a loss of productivity.
 
So a summary (perhaps incomplete) of costs to use Linux
Training (of techs and engineers)
Training (of users)
Support (help desk and tech support issues)
Migration (data migration and switching to different software applications)
 
If the Linux/OSS community can lower these costs, then the Return on Investment will go way up for a company.  When (note not if, as I believe it will happen) this happens is when Linux is ready for the enterprise.
 
 
 
On a happy note, the ROI for a starting company make Linux + OSS the most obvious choice.  So at least the Microsofts of the world have a difficult time with new companies.
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Lee [mailto:leeh@csi-rics.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 3:12 PM
To: cialug@cialug.org
Subject: RE: [Cialug] Laughable

I realize this is a little off the topic. But I need to say it.
 
One amazing thing about the whole cost of training and support argument. I've seen first hand what going to a new version of Windows for instance can cost in training and support. If you follow many vendors prefered upgrade path. You send your techs and engineers to classes and get the certs for every major upgrade. Yes it may involve a far lesser learning curve migrating from one version to another of the same platform. But to say that there is such a difference becuase of those costs, isn't fairly comparing the true (overall) price tag. Yes it may be true that training could actually cost more than getting this OS on x number of seats. But what happens when you need to add training or additional support to the other guys product as well?
-----Original Message-----
From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On Behalf Of Korver, Aaron
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 2:42 PM
To: 'cialug@cialug.org'
Subject: RE: [Cialug] Laughable

I don't think he is talking about the software, but the price of a knowledge base to run and administrate the system.

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> oh my. my favorite line from that article:
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> Additionally, he said that Linux is not significantly cheaper than
> alternative operating systems.
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> anyone else smell the smoke? i think a fire's on its way.
> this article is
> just too hot to let go.
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> -----Original Message-----
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> To: "Cialug@Cialug.Org" <cialug@cialug.org>
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:31:35 -0600
> Subject: [Cialug] Laughable
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> > Ok, lets all give up and go home. A group of Industry heavyweights
> > declares
> > Linux isn't ready for the enterprise!
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C52B37.3F1FEE20-- From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 17 22:10:10 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (admin) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:10:10 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] new cable modem advice In-Reply-To: <4239EFAE.2020706@vonahsen.com> References: <4239EFAE.2020706@vonahsen.com> Message-ID: i concur --------------------- admin@c0wzftp.com Administrator - Email Service -----Original Message----- From: Barry Von Ahsen To: Central Iowa Linux Group Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:59:26 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] new cable modem advice > as I was complaining about last night, I'm about to ditch my P.O.S. RCA > cable modem, and I'm soliciting advice for it's replacement. From what > I can google, the Motorola surf board 5100 seems pretty good. > > Agree, disagree, or is there something better/equivalent but cheaper? > > -barry > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug ------------------------- want an email address ending in @c0wzftp.com? send an email on over to admin@c0wzftp.com From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 17 22:03:21 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Doug Hesseltine) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:03:21 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] CORE files In-Reply-To: <35e03aae050317130960e38555@mail.gmail.com> References: <4239E45F.1030701@earthlink.net> <35e03aae050317125240b7acf9@mail.gmail.com> <4239EF6F.3020905@visionary.com> <35e03aae050317130960e38555@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4239FEA9.6020509@earthlink.net> The site I'm trying to load does not have any use of the cgi-bin or "MT"     I did several searches on google and did not find anything that I fealt was relavent to the core files. 

I am relatively new to linux so maybe I am missing something you more experienced users are trying to tell me :)

Mark Hesseltine wrote: 
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:58:23 -0600, David Champion <dave@visionary.com> wrote:
  
Mark Hesseltine wrote:
    
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:11:11 -0600, Doug Hesseltine
<hesseltine@earthlink.net> wrote:

      
I have a server running Fedora and cPanel.  On this server I have a site
using a php/MySQL ecommerce cart OS-Commerce.   For some reason the site is
getting errors and generating files in the root WWW folder named core.####
(some number)  It looks as though a new file is created each time the site
cannot display a page (which I am not sure what is causing this problem
either)

These core files range in size and are quickly filling up the available
drive space if not regularly deleted.
        
A quick Google found this:
http://bloghouse.net/index.php?p=24
Something about searching lots of comments causing a core dump.


      
Another problem which I am not sure is related or not but the site
continues to get Internal Server errors at various times.  One time the page
appears to load fine and another the error is displayed.  I have other sites
on the same server that are working fine.

Can anybody help me out in determining what these core files are and how to
stop them?
        
Hmmm... sounds like a bug in the cgi-bin. Is that "MT" cgi OSS, or
binary only?

-dc
    
I have no idea. My first assumption is that it's Movable Type, but I'm
just guessing.
From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 17 22:10:21 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Mark Hesseltine) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:10:21 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] CORE files In-Reply-To: <4239FEA9.6020509@earthlink.net> References: <4239E45F.1030701@earthlink.net> <35e03aae050317125240b7acf9@mail.gmail.com> <4239EF6F.3020905@visionary.com> <35e03aae050317130960e38555@mail.gmail.com> <4239FEA9.6020509@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <35e03aae05031714101bd3cb02@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:03:21 -0600, Doug Hesseltine wrote: > The site I'm trying to load does not have any use of the cgi-bin or "MT" > I did several searches on google and did not find anything that I fealt was > relavent to the core files. > > I am relatively new to linux so maybe I am missing something you more > experienced users are trying to tell me :) > > Mark Hesseltine wrote: > On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:58:23 -0600, David Champion > wrote: > Mark Hesseltine wrote: > On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:11:11 -0600, Doug Hesseltine > wrote: > I have a server running Fedora and cPanel. On this server I have a site > using a php/MySQL ecommerce cart OS-Commerce. For some reason the site is > getting errors and generating files in the root WWW folder named core.#### > (some number) It looks as though a new file is created each time the site > cannot display a page (which I am not sure what is causing this problem > either) These core files range in size and are quickly filling up the > available drive space if not regularly deleted. A quick Google found this: > http://bloghouse.net/index.php?p=24 Something about searching lots of > comments causing a core dump. > Another problem which I am not sure is related or not but the site > continues to get Internal Server errors at various times. One time the page > appears to load fine and another the error is displayed. I have other sites > on the same server that are working fine. Can anybody help me out in > determining what these core files are and how to stop them? Hmmm... sounds > like a bug in the cgi-bin. Is that "MT" cgi OSS, or binary only? -dc I have > no idea. My first assumption is that it's Movable Type, but I'm just > guessing. _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing > list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug Doug: Could you post one of these core files. There might be something in that file that could refer us to what is causing the core dump. -- Mark Hesseltine mailto:markhesseltine@gmail.com From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 17 22:17:52 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:17:52 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] CORE files In-Reply-To: <35e03aae05031714101bd3cb02@mail.gmail.com> References: <4239E45F.1030701@earthlink.net> <35e03aae050317125240b7acf9@mail.gmail.com> <4239EF6F.3020905@visionary.com> <35e03aae050317130960e38555@mail.gmail.com> <4239FEA9.6020509@earthlink.net> <35e03aae05031714101bd3cb02@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <423A0210.4040503@visionary.com> Mark Hesseltine wrote: > Doug: > Could you post one of these core files. There might be something in > that file that could refer us to what is causing the core dump. ACK! Don't do that. 1. May contain proprietary information 2. May be a huge binary file the list will strip anyway. -dc From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 17 22:23:24 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Mark Hesseltine) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:23:24 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] CORE files In-Reply-To: <423A0210.4040503@visionary.com> References: <4239E45F.1030701@earthlink.net> <35e03aae050317125240b7acf9@mail.gmail.com> <4239EF6F.3020905@visionary.com> <35e03aae050317130960e38555@mail.gmail.com> <4239FEA9.6020509@earthlink.net> <35e03aae05031714101bd3cb02@mail.gmail.com> <423A0210.4040503@visionary.com> Message-ID: <35e03aae05031714231a06d521@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:17:52 -0600, David Champion wrote: > Mark Hesseltine wrote: > > > Doug: > > Could you post one of these core files. There might be something in > > that file that could refer us to what is causing the core dump. > > ACK! Don't do that. > > 1. May contain proprietary information > 2. May be a huge binary file the list will strip anyway. > > -dc Ok, could we get a URL to a sanitized version that we could look at? Is it a MySQL dump, an Apache dump, a Kernel dump? Doug, you might want to view the dump and see if it shows a process that caused it? Maybe something that says something like: error number ### in file -----.--- You could then check that file to see what's happening. -- Mark Hesseltine mailto:markhesseltine@gmail.com From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 17 22:56:51 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Stephen Hawkins) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:56:51 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] new cable modem advice In-Reply-To: <4239EFAE.2020706@vonahsen.com> References: <4239EFAE.2020706@vonahsen.com> Message-ID: <200503171656.51924.ng0g@mchsi.com> Barry, On Thursday 17 March 2005 14:59, Barry Von Ahsen wrote: > as I was complaining about last night, I'm about to ditch my P.O.S. RCA > cable modem, and I'm soliciting advice for it's replacement. From what > I can google, the Motorola surf board 5100 seems pretty good. After having a wearying number of arguments with the tech support folks at my current ISP, and several others in the past. Arguments over things that should have been detected by them, and fixed before I ever called, I decided that I would pay the 3 bucks a month and use their Cable Modem no matter what kind it was. I did this because it seemed to me that every time I called my ISP to let them know that they had a problem, they told me: A. Reinstall Windows even though I don't use Windows. B. You have a bad cable modem. Where upon I could then tell them, "No, it is your cable modem". It is amazing, right after I point this out, magically the cable modem starts working, and is no longer the culprit. It has saved me endless arguments. Steve -- 73 49 111 01001001 Stephen Hawkins NG0G ng0g@arrl.net From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 17 23:07:18 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Korver, Aaron) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:07:18 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] CORE files Message-ID: <0205C50D41B7D611AEA50002A537CEC20328EBB8@DES10MS01> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C52B46.114496E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Perhaps it would be informative to describe what a core file is. Please correct and add to this definition. A "core" file is what is produced when a binary program crashes. This file contains different information to let the developer know what the last state of the program was in when it crashed. Somethings it may or may not contain include: memory dumps stack dumps stack traces debugging strings ------_=_NextPart_001_01C52B46.114496E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [Cialug] CORE files

Perhaps it would be informative to describe what a = core file is.  Please correct and add to this definition.  A = "core" file is what is produced when a binary program = crashes.  This file contains different information to let the = developer know what the last state of the program was in when it = crashed. 

Somethings it may or may not contain include:
memory dumps
stack dumps
stack traces
debugging strings

------_=_NextPart_001_01C52B46.114496E0-- From cialug@cialug.org Fri Mar 18 00:39:39 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (admin) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:39:39 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] new cable modem advice In-Reply-To: <200503171656.51924.ng0g@mchsi.com> References: <4239EFAE.2020706@vonahsen.com> <200503171656.51924.ng0g@mchsi.com> Message-ID: let me make this clear once and for all. tech support for ISPs with over 10,000 users = crap never rely on tech support. hell, never rely on tech support for anything. teir 1 tech support for ISPs w/ >10,000 users = crap. if you can get beyond teir 1 you'll actually get some help. its hard to get that far. usually requires a REAL problem be going on other than your cable modem is out of sync or the power cord is not plugged in. as a rule of thumb so i don't waste my time with tech support i don't call them unless i've been w/o internet for over 8 hours consistently. -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Hawkins To: cialug@cialug.org Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:56:51 -0600 Subject: Re: [Cialug] new cable modem advice > Barry, > > On Thursday 17 March 2005 14:59, Barry Von Ahsen wrote: > > as I was complaining about last night, I'm about to ditch my P.O.S. > RCA > > cable modem, and I'm soliciting advice for it's replacement. From > what > > I can google, the Motorola surf board 5100 seems pretty good. > > After having a wearying number of arguments with the tech support folks > at my > current ISP, and several others in the past. Arguments over things that > should have been detected by them, and fixed before I ever called, I > decided > that I would pay the 3 bucks a month and use their Cable Modem no > matter what > kind it was. > > I did this because it seemed to me that every time I called my ISP to > let them > know that they had a problem, they told me: > > A. Reinstall Windows even though I don't use Windows. > B. You have a bad cable modem. > > Where upon I could then tell them, "No, it is your cable modem". It is > amazing, right after I point this out, magically the cable modem starts > working, and is no longer the culprit. It has saved me endless > arguments. > > Steve > -- > 73 49 111 01001001 > Stephen Hawkins NG0G > ng0g@arrl.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug ------------------------- want an email address ending in @c0wzftp.com? send an email on over to admin@c0wzftp.com From cialug@cialug.org Fri Mar 18 00:45:46 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (admin) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:45:46 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] dual cpu bundles Message-ID: anyone know where a good place to buy dual cpu motherboard/cpu bundles is? don't care if its intel or amd. would prefer AMD. looking to build a new server. getting sick of my 333mhz AMD-K6 ------------------------- want an email address ending in @c0wzftp.com? send an email on over to admin@c0wzftp.com From cialug@cialug.org Fri Mar 18 00:56:59 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Don Cady) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:56:59 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] new cable modem advice References: <4239EFAE.2020706@vonahsen.com> <200503171656.51924.ng0g@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <002701c52b55$63ba85b0$6601a8c0@any7xu043c9b9i> Barry, Stephen has a point here. If you call for service saying you're a non-windows user, using your own modem, you'd better cross your fingers when you dial*. Seems like your best bet is to get them to replace your modem with a motorola somehow, with second choice being buying your own. *I have heard that some of those guys are easing into Linux. I gave LiveCDs to 2 in the CUG who responded that some of their collegues were already talking it up. Too bad none have joined the LUG, we'd have non-windows points of contact. Don > Barry, > > On Thursday 17 March 2005 14:59, Barry Von Ahsen wrote: >> as I was complaining about last night, I'm about to ditch my P.O.S. RCA >> cable modem, and I'm soliciting advice for it's replacement. From what >> I can google, the Motorola surf board 5100 seems pretty good. > > After having a wearying number of arguments with the tech support folks at > my > current ISP, and several others in the past. Arguments over things that > should have been detected by them, and fixed before I ever called, I > decided > that I would pay the 3 bucks a month and use their Cable Modem no matter > what > kind it was. > > I did this because it seemed to me that every time I called my ISP to let > them > know that they had a problem, they told me: > > A. Reinstall Windows even though I don't use Windows. > B. You have a bad cable modem. > > Where upon I could then tell them, "No, it is your cable modem". It is > amazing, right after I point this out, magically the cable modem starts > working, and is no longer the culprit. It has saved me endless arguments. > > Steve > -- > 73 49 111 01001001 > Stephen Hawkins NG0G > ng0g@arrl.net From cialug@cialug.org Fri Mar 18 01:16:47 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Don Cady) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:16:47 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Laughable References: Message-ID: <003e01c52b58$284034a0$6601a8c0@any7xu043c9b9i> And yet, over on the sidebar was this one: http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/0,2000061733,39185092,00.htm " However, Rasmussen's remarks seem extraordinarily at odds with EDS' own global stance on the open source platform. In a case study -- dated 21 September 2004 -- on the services heavyweight's own installation of an enterprise-wide instant messaging solution, EDS says it implemented a Linux server environment "to ensure stability and security while keeping costs low." Sorry I jumped to .com.au, but for some reason I couldn't resolve the .co.uk site. Don > Ok, lets all give up and go home. A group of Industry heavyweights > declares > Linux isn't ready for the enterprise! > > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39191533,00.htm > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From cialug@cialug.org Fri Mar 18 01:32:01 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Don Cady) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:32:01 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Laughable References: Message-ID: <005b01c52b5a$48c6b440$6601a8c0@any7xu043c9b9i> Lee, I was following (and agreeing, I think) up until the last question. What other guys product? Third-party apps or multiple concurrent OSes in an organization? Don > RE: [Cialug] LaughableI realize this is a little off the topic. But I need > to say it. > > One amazing thing about the whole cost of training and support argument. > I've seen first hand what going to a new version of Windows for instance > can > cost in training and support. If you follow many vendors prefered upgrade > path. You send your techs and engineers to classes and get the certs for > every major upgrade. Yes it may involve a far lesser learning curve > migrating from one version to another of the same platform. But to say > that > there is such a difference becuase of those costs, isn't fairly comparing > the true (overall) price tag. Yes it may be true that training could > actually cost more than getting this OS on x number of seats. But what > happens when you need to add training or additional support to the other > guys product as well? > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On Behalf > Of > Korver, Aaron > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 2:42 PM > To: 'cialug@cialug.org' > Subject: RE: [Cialug] Laughable > > > I don't think he is talking about the software, but the price of a > knowledge base to run and administrate the system. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: admin [mailto:admin@c0wzftp.com] > > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 2:53 PM > > To: cialug@cialug.org > > Subject: Re: [Cialug] Laughable > > > > > > oh my. my favorite line from that article: > > > > Additionally, he said that Linux is not significantly cheaper than > > alternative operating systems. > > > > anyone else smell the smoke? i think a fire's on its way. > > this article is > > just too hot to let go. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Lee" > > To: "Cialug@Cialug.Org" > > Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:31:35 -0600 > > Subject: [Cialug] Laughable > > > > > Ok, lets all give up and go home. A group of Industry heavyweights > > > declares > > > Linux isn't ready for the enterprise! > > > > > > > > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39191533,00.htm > > > From cialug@cialug.org Fri Mar 18 04:27:54 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Doug Hesseltine) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:27:54 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] CORE files In-Reply-To: <0205C50D41B7D611AEA50002A537CEC20328EBB8@DES10MS01> References: <0205C50D41B7D611AEA50002A537CEC20328EBB8@DES10MS01> Message-ID: <423A58CA.1000206@earthlink.net> Thanks this is helpful..

I decided to do a hard boot of the server and since it came back up things seem normal again.  I'll have to watch for the core files and see if I can determine what happens before they show up again.

I'll keep all the other advice to use next time this happens.

Korver, Aaron wrote:
RE: [Cialug] CORE files

Perhaps it would be informative to describe what a core file is.  Please correct and add to this definition.  A "core" file is what is produced when a binary program crashes.  This file contains different information to let the developer know what the last state of the program was in when it crashed. 

Somethings it may or may not contain include:
memory dumps
stack dumps
stack traces
debugging strings

From cialug@cialug.org Fri Mar 18 09:48:17 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Jerry Weida) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 03:48:17 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] new cable modem advice In-Reply-To: <002701c52b55$63ba85b0$6601a8c0@any7xu043c9b9i> References: <4239EFAE.2020706@vonahsen.com> <200503171656.51924.ng0g@mchsi.com> <002701c52b55$63ba85b0$6601a8c0@any7xu043c9b9i> Message-ID: <40e57b5f0503180148241c37d6@mail.gmail.com> Actually, for Mediacom cable modem service, you do have one in the CIALUG. ;) On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:56:59 -0600, Don Cady wrote: > Barry, Stephen has a point here. If you call for service saying you're a > non-windows user, using your own modem, you'd better cross your fingers when > you dial*. Seems like your best bet is to get them to replace your modem > with a motorola somehow, with second choice being buying your own. > > *I have heard that some of those guys are easing into Linux. I gave LiveCDs > to 2 in the CUG who responded that some of their collegues were already > talking it up. Too bad none have joined the LUG, we'd have non-windows > points of contact. > > Don > > > Barry, > > > > On Thursday 17 March 2005 14:59, Barry Von Ahsen wrote: > >> as I was complaining about last night, I'm about to ditch my P.O.S. RCA > >> cable modem, and I'm soliciting advice for it's replacement. From what > >> I can google, the Motorola surf board 5100 seems pretty good. > > > > After having a wearying number of arguments with the tech support folks at > > my > > current ISP, and several others in the past. Arguments over things that > > should have been detected by them, and fixed before I ever called, I > > decided > > that I would pay the 3 bucks a month and use their Cable Modem no matter > > what > > kind it was. > > > > I did this because it seemed to me that every time I called my ISP to let > > them > > know that they had a problem, they told me: > > > > A. Reinstall Windows even though I don't use Windows. > > B. You have a bad cable modem. > > > > Where upon I could then tell them, "No, it is your cable modem". It is > > amazing, right after I point this out, magically the cable modem starts > > working, and is no longer the culprit. It has saved me endless arguments. > > > > Steve > > -- > > 73 49 111 01001001 > > Stephen Hawkins NG0G > > ng0g@arrl.net > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From cialug@cialug.org Fri Mar 18 14:18:44 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Barry Von Ahsen) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:18:44 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] new cable modem advice In-Reply-To: <200503171656.51924.ng0g@mchsi.com> References: <4239EFAE.2020706@vonahsen.com> <200503171656.51924.ng0g@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <423AE344.4030301@vonahsen.com> Stephen Hawkins wrote: > Barry, > > On Thursday 17 March 2005 14:59, Barry Von Ahsen wrote: > >>as I was complaining about last night, I'm about to ditch my P.O.S. RCA >>cable modem, and I'm soliciting advice for it's replacement. From what >>I can google, the Motorola surf board 5100 seems pretty good. > > > After having a wearying number of arguments with the tech support folks at my > current ISP, and several others in the past. Arguments over things that > should have been detected by them, and fixed before I ever called, I decided > that I would pay the 3 bucks a month and use their Cable Modem no matter what > kind it was. > > I did this because it seemed to me that every time I called my ISP to let them > know that they had a problem, they told me: > > A. Reinstall Windows even though I don't use Windows. > B. You have a bad cable modem. > > Where upon I could then tell them, "No, it is your cable modem". It is > amazing, right after I point this out, magically the cable modem starts > working, and is no longer the culprit. It has saved me endless arguments. > I did have that thought, since I called once and got some grief about having a router that didn't = {linksys|dlink|microsoft}. I checked my Dad's last night and it's a Moto 4200 (1 rev back), so I may go with the official, if it won't take 3 weeks to get it -barry From cialug@cialug.org Fri Mar 18 14:29:36 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Jerry Weida) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:29:36 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] new cable modem advice In-Reply-To: <423AE344.4030301@vonahsen.com> References: <4239EFAE.2020706@vonahsen.com> <200503171656.51924.ng0g@mchsi.com> <423AE344.4030301@vonahsen.com> Message-ID: <40e57b5f0503180629788160d5@mail.gmail.com> Try to avoid picking up a Moto 4220 (they should all have been recalled by now I hope). The Moto SB5100 is a pretty good modem. There are some things about Motorola that don't affect people right now, but may in the future. They have really poor DOCSIS support. They bend the rules as much a they can and in the "taking full advantage of bandwidth given" category, it really pays off. The Moto's seem to have the best throughput of any of the cable modems that I've tested. However, these "minor deviations" from the DOCSIS 1.1 and PacketCable 1.0 specs have cost us some man hours in trying to get their modems working with VoIP. There are workarounds that we can do, but they don't always seem stable. Also, their deviation from the DOCSIS 1.1 spec caused a bit of a problem we someone learned that the bridge between the ethernet port and the cable RF side wasn't disabled during the initial boot process. This combined with the "deviation" that a modem isn't suppose to accept a download of configuration from the ethernet side caused it so that the Motorola's could be "hacked" very easily and we ended up suspending several peoples accounts and dropping them due to constant violations. Of course, this point probably won't sway you away from the brand :) But it does illustrate Motorola's abillity to pass the spec tests, but not particularly adhere to the specs. Just my $.02 On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:18:44 -0600, Barry Von Ahsen wrote: > Stephen Hawkins wrote: > > Barry, > > > > On Thursday 17 March 2005 14:59, Barry Von Ahsen wrote: > > > >>as I was complaining about last night, I'm about to ditch my P.O.S. RCA > >>cable modem, and I'm soliciting advice for it's replacement. From what > >>I can google, the Motorola surf board 5100 seems pretty good. > > > > > > After having a wearying number of arguments with the tech support folks at my > > current ISP, and several others in the past. Arguments over things that > > should have been detected by them, and fixed before I ever called, I decided > > that I would pay the 3 bucks a month and use their Cable Modem no matter what > > kind it was. > > > > I did this because it seemed to me that every time I called my ISP to let them > > know that they had a problem, they told me: > > > > A. Reinstall Windows even though I don't use Windows. > > B. You have a bad cable modem. > > > > Where upon I could then tell them, "No, it is your cable modem". It is > > amazing, right after I point this out, magically the cable modem starts > > working, and is no longer the culprit. It has saved me endless arguments. > > > > I did have that thought, since I called once and got some grief about > having a router that didn't = {linksys|dlink|microsoft}. I checked my > Dad's last night and it's a Moto 4200 (1 rev back), so I may go with the > official, if it won't take 3 weeks to get it > > -barry > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From cialug@cialug.org Fri Mar 18 14:37:51 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Lee) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:37:51 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Laughable In-Reply-To: <005b01c52b5a$48c6b440$6601a8c0@any7xu043c9b9i> Message-ID: Sorry, I didn't make that to clear. I meant the "guys" usually arguing that jumping ship is more expensive than sticking with their product. The point of course being the incredible cost of training and support. An example is upgrading from Win NT to Win 2K. There was a great deal of training, additional license fees and of course third party support contracts. All of which many companies did invest in just to go from one version of Windows to another. I feel this is often purposly overlooked when making these types of cost comparisons. For the record this is not just a Microsoft versus Linux thing. -----Original Message----- From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On Behalf Of Don Cady Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 7:32 PM To: cialug@cialug.org Subject: Re: [Cialug] Laughable Lee, I was following (and agreeing, I think) up until the last question. What other guys product? Third-party apps or multiple concurrent OSes in an organization? Don > RE: [Cialug] LaughableI realize this is a little off the topic. But I need > to say it. > > One amazing thing about the whole cost of training and support argument. > I've seen first hand what going to a new version of Windows for instance > can > cost in training and support. If you follow many vendors prefered upgrade > path. You send your techs and engineers to classes and get the certs for > every major upgrade. Yes it may involve a far lesser learning curve > migrating from one version to another of the same platform. But to say > that > there is such a difference becuase of those costs, isn't fairly comparing > the true (overall) price tag. Yes it may be true that training could > actually cost more than getting this OS on x number of seats. But what > happens when you need to add training or additional support to the other > guys product as well? > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On Behalf > Of > Korver, Aaron > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 2:42 PM > To: 'cialug@cialug.org' > Subject: RE: [Cialug] Laughable > > > I don't think he is talking about the software, but the price of a > knowledge base to run and administrate the system. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: admin [mailto:admin@c0wzftp.com] > > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 2:53 PM > > To: cialug@cialug.org > > Subject: Re: [Cialug] Laughable > > > > > > oh my. my favorite line from that article: > > > > Additionally, he said that Linux is not significantly cheaper than > > alternative operating systems. > > > > anyone else smell the smoke? i think a fire's on its way. > > this article is > > just too hot to let go. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Lee" > > To: "Cialug@Cialug.Org" > > Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:31:35 -0600 > > Subject: [Cialug] Laughable > > > > > Ok, lets all give up and go home. A group of Industry heavyweights > > > declares > > > Linux isn't ready for the enterprise! > > > > > > > > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39191533,00.htm > > > _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Fri Mar 18 14:48:32 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Dave J. Hala Jr.) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:48:32 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Laughable In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1111157312.25218.105.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com> Did in anyone notice that in smaller enterprises (50-200) that training costs are used to kill a project? In one example, they were interested in switching some people to Linux. Then they decided they didn't want to spend the money on training there people to use Open Office. It really seemed like a mute point to me. They didn't have any training programs in place for **anything*. In fact they *never* provided any technology training at all. Most people with computer skills slightly above entry level don't have trouble using evolution, and most feel a little awkward with OO, but get in the groove relatively quickly. So, I just don't get it... Maybe we're back to the "People just don't like change" thing... On Fri, 2005-03-18 at 08:37, Lee wrote: > Sorry, I didn't make that to clear. I meant the "guys" usually arguing that > jumping ship is more expensive than sticking with their product. The point > of course being the incredible cost of training and support. An example is > upgrading from Win NT to Win 2K. There was a great deal of training, > additional license fees and of course third party support contracts. All of > which many companies did invest in just to go from one version of Windows to > another. I feel this is often purposly overlooked when making these types of > cost comparisons. > > For the record this is not just a Microsoft versus Linux thing. > > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On Behalf > Of Don Cady > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 7:32 PM > To: cialug@cialug.org > Subject: Re: [Cialug] Laughable > > > Lee, I was following (and agreeing, I think) up until the last question. > What other guys product? Third-party apps or multiple concurrent OSes in an > organization? > > Don > > > RE: [Cialug] LaughableI realize this is a little off the topic. But I need > > to say it. > > > > One amazing thing about the whole cost of training and support argument. > > I've seen first hand what going to a new version of Windows for instance > > can > > cost in training and support. If you follow many vendors prefered upgrade > > path. You send your techs and engineers to classes and get the certs for > > every major upgrade. Yes it may involve a far lesser learning curve > > migrating from one version to another of the same platform. But to say > > that > > there is such a difference becuase of those costs, isn't fairly comparing > > the true (overall) price tag. Yes it may be true that training could > > actually cost more than getting this OS on x number of seats. But what > > happens when you need to add training or additional support to the other > > guys product as well? > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On Behalf > > Of > > Korver, Aaron > > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 2:42 PM > > To: 'cialug@cialug.org' > > Subject: RE: [Cialug] Laughable > > > > > > I don't think he is talking about the software, but the price of a > > knowledge base to run and administrate the system. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: admin [mailto:admin@c0wzftp.com] > > > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 2:53 PM > > > To: cialug@cialug.org > > > Subject: Re: [Cialug] Laughable > > > > > > > > > oh my. my favorite line from that article: > > > > > > Additionally, he said that Linux is not significantly cheaper than > > > alternative operating systems. > > > > > > anyone else smell the smoke? i think a fire's on its way. > > > this article is > > > just too hot to let go. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: "Lee" > > > To: "Cialug@Cialug.Org" > > > Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:31:35 -0600 > > > Subject: [Cialug] Laughable > > > > > > > Ok, lets all give up and go home. A group of Industry heavyweights > > > > declares > > > > Linux isn't ready for the enterprise! > > > > > > > > > > > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39191533,00.htm > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -- Open Source Information Systems (OSIS) Dave J. Hala Jr. 641.485.1606 From cialug@cialug.org Fri Mar 18 17:32:24 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Theron Conrey) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 17:32:24 +0000 Subject: [Cialug] Inital Hello..... Message-ID: <1111167144.81417e4theron@conrey.org> Last meeting was a 1st for a couple of us, I'd like to say...hello again an= d I'm ready for next month. =20 Theron Conrey From cialug@cialug.org Fri Mar 18 20:31:57 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:31:57 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] stupid processor question Message-ID: Do not pass go, do not collect $200, go directly to remedial computer school. Which processors fall within the classification of i686-class? Does the PIII count? Xeon? Which AMD chips would count? Athlon? I'm sorry, I thought I had this straight, the more I read on this issue the more confused I become. Also, thanks to Dave for the great intro to CVS. It really cleared up some mysteries for me. -Nate From cialug@cialug.org Fri Mar 18 21:12:35 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Lee) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:12:35 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] stupid processor question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I believe that short of the 64bit class we are still in the 686 range. Not sure what a 786 is but it also exists. A couple links are below. I believe that PPro through current P4, Athlon CPUs are I686/786 (see below). There is certainly some confusion about the current generation. But they are 686/x86 compatible. Best resource I've found... http://users.erols.com/chare/main.htm This is old but gives an idea... http://voidmain.kicks-ass.net/redhat/what_does_386_586_686_mean.html A Linux specific resource although it would probably spark more questions... http://tlug.up.ac.za/guides/lkcg/arch_i386.html -----Original Message----- From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On Behalf Of Nathan C. Smith Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 2:32 PM To: 'cialug@cialug.org' Subject: [Cialug] stupid processor question Do not pass go, do not collect $200, go directly to remedial computer school. Which processors fall within the classification of i686-class? Does the PIII count? Xeon? Which AMD chips would count? Athlon? I'm sorry, I thought I had this straight, the more I read on this issue the more confused I become. Also, thanks to Dave for the great intro to CVS. It really cleared up some mysteries for me. -Nate _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Fri Mar 18 23:04:22 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (cialug@cialug.org) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 17:04:22 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Iowa Training Days (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 007EBE4E86256FC8_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Dan is a friend of mine and he talked me into being a presenter at the Iowa Training Days. Now I need to figure out what to talk about. He thought there would be interest in a talk on open source software. Tentatively I was thinking about a case study on how RadiSys uses various open source software with in the engineering department to solve various business needs. Any one else have better ideas/suggestions which you might find interesting? Here is some of the stuff we use: Ht/Dig - Search Engine for Legacy Defect Tracking Data Perl/CPAN - Perl based automated Testing Harness. Apache/PHP - Engineering Web server MySQL - CMS - Internal websites, portals, etc. MediaWiki - Internal Documentation of Engineering Work Procedures, Cygwin/X11 - UNIX/X11 integration with Windows Linux/FreeBSD/OpenBSD - Software compile servers, shared development servers Ethereal - Low cost network packet sniffers Nagios - System monitoring and alerting NetSNMP - openssh - X11 forwarding johnl --=_alternative 007EBE4E86256FC8_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
Dan is a friend of mine and he talked me into being a presenter at the Iowa Training Days.  Now I need to figure out what to talk about.  He thought there would be interest in a talk on open source software.

Tentatively I was thinking about a case study on how RadiSys uses various open source software  with in the engineering department to solve various business needs.  Any one else have better ideas/suggestions which you might find interesting?

Here is some of the stuff we use:

Ht/Dig - Search Engine for Legacy Defect Tracking Data
Perl/CPAN - Perl based automated Testing Harness.
Apache/PHP - Engineering Web server
MySQL -
CMS -  Internal websites, portals, etc.
MediaWiki - Internal Documentation of Engineering Work Procedures,
Cygwin/X11 - UNIX/X11 integration with Windows
Linux/FreeBSD/OpenBSD - Software compile servers, shared development servers
Ethereal - Low cost network packet sniffers
Nagios - System monitoring and alerting
NetSNMP -
openssh - X11 forwarding

johnl --=_alternative 007EBE4E86256FC8_=-- From cialug@cialug.org Fri Mar 18 23:06:16 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Barry Von Ahsen) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 17:06:16 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] new cable modem advice In-Reply-To: <40e57b5f0503180629788160d5@mail.gmail.com> References: <4239EFAE.2020706@vonahsen.com> <200503171656.51924.ng0g@mchsi.com> <423AE344.4030301@vonahsen.com> <40e57b5f0503180629788160d5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <423B5EE8.3080804@vonahsen.com> posting with the new 5100. so far, so good, and it automatically registered with Mediacom, no phone call necessary. -barry Jerry Weida wrote: > Try to avoid picking up a Moto 4220 (they should all have been > recalled by now I hope). The Moto SB5100 is a pretty good modem. > There are some things about Motorola that don't affect people right > now, but may in the future. > > They have really poor DOCSIS support. They bend the rules as much a > they can and in the "taking full advantage of bandwidth given" > category, it really pays off. The Moto's seem to have the best > throughput of any of the cable modems that I've tested. > > However, these "minor deviations" from the DOCSIS 1.1 and PacketCable > 1.0 specs have cost us some man hours in trying to get their modems > working with VoIP. There are workarounds that we can do, but they > don't always seem stable. > > Also, their deviation from the DOCSIS 1.1 spec caused a bit of a > problem we someone learned that the bridge between the ethernet port > and the cable RF side wasn't disabled during the initial boot process. > This combined with the "deviation" that a modem isn't suppose to > accept a download of configuration from the ethernet side caused it so > that the Motorola's could be "hacked" very easily and we ended up > suspending several peoples accounts and dropping them due to constant > violations. Of course, this point probably won't sway you away from > the brand :) But it does illustrate Motorola's abillity to pass the > spec tests, but not particularly adhere to the specs. > > Just my $.02 > > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:18:44 -0600, Barry Von Ahsen wrote: > >>Stephen Hawkins wrote: >> >>>Barry, >>> >>>On Thursday 17 March 2005 14:59, Barry Von Ahsen wrote: >>> >>> >>>>as I was complaining about last night, I'm about to ditch my P.O.S. RCA >>>>cable modem, and I'm soliciting advice for it's replacement. From what >>>>I can google, the Motorola surf board 5100 seems pretty good. >>> >>> >>>After having a wearying number of arguments with the tech support folks at my >>>current ISP, and several others in the past. Arguments over things that >>>should have been detected by them, and fixed before I ever called, I decided >>>that I would pay the 3 bucks a month and use their Cable Modem no matter what >>>kind it was. >>> >>>I did this because it seemed to me that every time I called my ISP to let them >>>know that they had a problem, they told me: >>> >>>A. Reinstall Windows even though I don't use Windows. >>>B. You have a bad cable modem. >>> >>>Where upon I could then tell them, "No, it is your cable modem". It is >>>amazing, right after I point this out, magically the cable modem starts >>>working, and is no longer the culprit. It has saved me endless arguments. >>> >> >>I did have that thought, since I called once and got some grief about >>having a router that didn't = {linksys|dlink|microsoft}. I checked my >>Dad's last night and it's a Moto 4200 (1 rev back), so I may go with the >>official, if it won't take 3 weeks to get it >> >>-barry >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Cialug mailing list >>Cialug@cialug.org >>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Fri Mar 18 23:03:54 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Korver, Aaron) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 17:03:54 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Iowa Training Days (fwd) Message-ID: <0205C50D41B7D611AEA50002A537CEC20328EBC5@DES10MS01> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C52C0E.C1CED890 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Nagios, from personal experience, demos really nice. You could put nagios together with Ethereal in an interesting demo/presentation. -----Original Message----- From: John.Lengeling@radisys.com [mailto:John.Lengeling@radisys.com] Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 5:04 PM To: cialug@cialug.org Subject: Re: [Cialug] Iowa Training Days (fwd) Dan is a friend of mine and he talked me into being a presenter at the Iowa Training Days. Now I need to figure out what to talk about. He thought there would be interest in a talk on open source software. Tentatively I was thinking about a case study on how RadiSys uses various open source software with in the engineering department to solve various business needs. Any one else have better ideas/suggestions which you might find interesting? Here is some of the stuff we use: Ht/Dig - Search Engine for Legacy Defect Tracking Data Perl/CPAN - Perl based automated Testing Harness. Apache/PHP - Engineering Web server MySQL - CMS - Internal websites, portals, etc. MediaWiki - Internal Documentation of Engineering Work Procedures, Cygwin/X11 - UNIX/X11 integration with Windows Linux/FreeBSD/OpenBSD - Software compile servers, shared development servers Ethereal - Low cost network packet sniffers Nagios - System monitoring and alerting NetSNMP - openssh - X11 forwarding johnl ------_=_NextPart_001_01C52C0E.C1CED890 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Nagios, from personal experience, demos really nice.  You could put nagios together with Ethereal in an interesting demo/presentation.
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From: John.Lengeling@radisys.com [mailto:John.Lengeling@radisys.com]
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 5:04 PM
To: cialug@cialug.org
Subject: Re: [Cialug] Iowa Training Days (fwd)


Dan is a friend of mine and he talked me into being a presenter at the Iowa Training Days.  Now I need to figure out what to talk about.  He thought there would be interest in a talk on open source software.

Tentatively I was thinking about a case study on how RadiSys uses various open source software  with in the engineering department to solve various business needs.  Any one else have better ideas/suggestions which you might find interesting?

Here is some of the stuff we use:

Ht/Dig - Search Engine for Legacy Defect Tracking Data
Perl/CPAN - Perl based automated Testing Harness.
Apache/PHP - Engineering Web server
MySQL -
CMS -  Internal websites, portals, etc.
MediaWiki - Internal Documentation of Engineering Work Procedures,
Cygwin/X11 - UNIX/X11 integration with Windows
Linux/FreeBSD/OpenBSD - Software compile servers, shared development servers
Ethereal - Low cost network packet sniffers
Nagios - System monitoring and alerting
NetSNMP -
openssh - X11 forwarding

johnl
------_=_NextPart_001_01C52C0E.C1CED890-- From cialug@cialug.org Sat Mar 19 11:38:55 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Don Cady) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 05:38:55 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Inital Hello..... References: <1111167144.81417e4theron@conrey.org> Message-ID: <005101c52c78$3e6ff730$6601a8c0@any7xu043c9b9i> Hellooo over there. Don ----- Original Message ----- Last meeting was a 1st for a couple of us, I'd like to say...hello again and I'm ready for next month. Theron Conrey From cialug@cialug.org Sat Mar 19 11:56:06 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Don Cady) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 05:56:06 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] new cable modem advice References: <4239EFAE.2020706@vonahsen.com> <200503171656.51924.ng0g@mchsi.com> <423AE344.4030301@vonahsen.com> <40e57b5f0503180629788160d5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <005d01c52c7a$a2025020$6601a8c0@any7xu043c9b9i> -snip- > However, these "minor deviations" from the DOCSIS 1.1 and PacketCable > 1.0 specs have cost us some man hours in trying to get their modems > working with VoIP. There are workarounds that we can do, but they > don't always seem stable. We were just talking about this Wed. night. It would have been great if you could've been there. (but you probably work evenings, right?) > Also, their deviation from the DOCSIS 1.1 spec caused a bit of a > problem we someone learned that the bridge between the ethernet port > and the cable RF side wasn't disabled during the initial boot process. > This combined with the "deviation" that a modem isn't suppose to > accept a download of configuration from the ethernet side caused it so > that the Motorola's could be "hacked" very easily and we ended up > suspending several peoples accounts and dropping them due to constant > violations. Of course, this point probably won't sway you away from > the brand :) But it does illustrate Motorola's abillity to pass the > spec tests, but not particularly adhere to the specs. Years of government contracting. Don From cialug@cialug.org Sat Mar 19 12:44:58 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Jerry Weida) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 06:44:58 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] new cable modem advice In-Reply-To: <005d01c52c7a$a2025020$6601a8c0@any7xu043c9b9i> References: <4239EFAE.2020706@vonahsen.com> <200503171656.51924.ng0g@mchsi.com> <423AE344.4030301@vonahsen.com> <40e57b5f0503180629788160d5@mail.gmail.com> <005d01c52c7a$a2025020$6601a8c0@any7xu043c9b9i> Message-ID: <40e57b5f050319044459aec52f@mail.gmail.com> Actually I do not work evenings. I used to work in tech support, but the Data Center is Mon-Fri 8-5, plus some on-call. I don't normally make it to the meetings, but I may try and get to some of them. On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 05:56:06 -0600, Don Cady wrote: > -snip- > > However, these "minor deviations" from the DOCSIS 1.1 and PacketCable > > 1.0 specs have cost us some man hours in trying to get their modems > > working with VoIP. There are workarounds that we can do, but they > > don't always seem stable. > We were just talking about this Wed. night. It would have been great if you > could've been there. (but you probably work evenings, right?) > > > Also, their deviation from the DOCSIS 1.1 spec caused a bit of a > > problem we someone learned that the bridge between the ethernet port > > and the cable RF side wasn't disabled during the initial boot process. > > This combined with the "deviation" that a modem isn't suppose to > > accept a download of configuration from the ethernet side caused it so > > that the Motorola's could be "hacked" very easily and we ended up > > suspending several peoples accounts and dropping them due to constant > > violations. Of course, this point probably won't sway you away from > > the brand :) But it does illustrate Motorola's abillity to pass the > > spec tests, but not particularly adhere to the specs. > Years of government contracting. > > Don > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From cialug@cialug.org Sat Mar 19 12:53:01 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Stephen Hawkins) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 06:53:01 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] new cable modem advice In-Reply-To: <40e57b5f050319044459aec52f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4239EFAE.2020706@vonahsen.com> <005d01c52c7a$a2025020$6601a8c0@any7xu043c9b9i> <40e57b5f050319044459aec52f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200503190653.01743.ng0g@mchsi.com> Jerry, On Saturday 19 March 2005 06:44, Jerry Weida wrote: > Actually I do not work evenings. I used to work in tech support, but > the Data Center is Mon-Fri 8-5, plus some on-call. Would you know off hand if you guys have been having intermittant DNS congestion, or problems, during the last week and a half or so? Thanks, Steve -- 73 49 111 01001001 Stephen Hawkins NG0G ng0g@arrl.net From cialug@cialug.org Sat Mar 19 12:59:26 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Jerry Weida) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 06:59:26 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] new cable modem advice In-Reply-To: <200503190653.01743.ng0g@mchsi.com> References: <4239EFAE.2020706@vonahsen.com> <005d01c52c7a$a2025020$6601a8c0@any7xu043c9b9i> <40e57b5f050319044459aec52f@mail.gmail.com> <200503190653.01743.ng0g@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <40e57b5f05031904595c7e633f@mail.gmail.com> Yeah, we have been. The DNS servers have been experiencing some wierd problem where they stop serving, but they don't shut down, so the failover DNS can't take control. I think we got it fixed yesterday though. Hopefully we won't have any more of that going on. On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 06:53:01 -0600, Stephen Hawkins wrote: > Jerry, > > On Saturday 19 March 2005 06:44, Jerry Weida wrote: > > Actually I do not work evenings. I used to work in tech support, but > > the Data Center is Mon-Fri 8-5, plus some on-call. > > Would you know off hand if you guys have been having intermittant DNS > congestion, or problems, during the last week and a half or so? > > Thanks, > Steve > -- > 73 49 111 01001001 > Stephen Hawkins NG0G > ng0g@arrl.net > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From cialug@cialug.org Sat Mar 19 15:38:09 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Jim Asbille) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 09:38:09 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Iowa Training Days (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <423C4761.1060602@gmail.com> John.Lengeling@radisys.com wrote: > > Dan is a friend of mine and he talked me into being a presenter at the > Iowa Training Days. Now I need to figure out what to talk about. He > thought there would be interest in a talk on open source software. > > Tentatively I was thinking about a case study on how RadiSys uses > various open source software with in the engineering department to > solve various business needs. Any one else have better > ideas/suggestions which you might find interesting? > > Here is some of the stuff we use: > > Ht/Dig - Search Engine for Legacy Defect Tracking Data > Perl/CPAN - Perl based automated Testing Harness. > Apache/PHP - Engineering Web server > MySQL - > CMS - Internal websites, portals, etc. > MediaWiki - Internal Documentation of Engineering Work Procedures, > Cygwin/X11 - UNIX/X11 integration with Windows > Linux/FreeBSD/OpenBSD - Software compile servers, shared development > servers > Ethereal - Low cost network packet sniffers > Nagios - System monitoring and alerting > NetSNMP - > openssh - X11 forwarding > > johnl I think talking about how Open Source has solved your real world situations is excellent. That seems to be a big fear for managers in using open source, what will happen in the real world? -- Jim Asbille, MSM "The box said that I needed to have Windows 98 or better... so I installed Linux." --- LinuxNewbie.org From cialug@cialug.org Sat Mar 19 15:44:07 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Jim Asbille) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 09:44:07 -0600 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: [Cialug] parabolic Wireless antenna]] Message-ID: <423C48C7.20306@gmail.com> Someone on this lug recently posted that they had a parabolic wireless antenna for sale. I have a potential buyer, he wants to know how much. Let me know and contact blair@uddle.com at the same time. Thanks -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Fwd: [Cialug] parabolic Wireless antenna] Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:08:59 -0600 From: Blair Alper To: Jim Asbille At 09:07 PM 3/16/05 -0600, you wrote: >I saw this on a Linux User Group and thought of you. 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Also they got in a bunch of PIII dual processor and 2 gig ram boxes that they are letting go for 300.. Nice Linux boxen.. I know this is a little off topic .. Dave W if you interested email me off list and I'll check into it more.. More on topic is AMD-K62 takes a different arch doesn't it or do you use the i686 kernel I am trying to get a distro for a friend and want to make sure it loads. I know a little naive of me but it has been awhile for the AMDs. From cialug@cialug.org Sun Mar 20 16:38:21 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (James Shoemaker) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:38:21 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Ciacug and general hardware In-Reply-To: <423D44B2.2050203@mchsi.com> References: <423D44B2.2050203@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <423DA6FD.2080709@dhlake.com> Lauren Stole wrote: > The Ciacug has gotten in more of the nice Compaq servers that Dave W > picked up awhile ago not sure how much they want.. Also they got in a > bunch of PIII dual processor and 2 gig ram boxes that they are letting > go for 300.. Nice Linux boxen.. I know this is a little off topic .. > Dave W if you interested email me off list and I'll check into it > more.. More on topic is AMD-K62 takes a different arch doesn't it or > do you use the i686 kernel I am trying to get a distro for a friend > and want to make sure it loads. I know a little naive of me but it has > been awhile for the AMDs. In debian they have a kernel built for K6 CPU's. I 686 Kernel would probably have issues on a K6, it is for intel PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV. James From cialug@cialug.org Mon Mar 21 14:03:45 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Don Cady) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:03:45 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Ciacug and general hardware References: <423D44B2.2050203@mchsi.com> <423DA6FD.2080709@dhlake.com> Message-ID: <003301c52e1e$cc09fb70$6601a8c0@any7xu043c9b9i> I don't see how it would. An i686 kernel (and any app/module/etc for that matter) with flat i686 'PPro-level' processor instructions will execute perfectly fine on all AMD models K6 and later. It's when various optimizations- MMX, SSE (&2&3), etc. are used on processors that won't execute them that things run afoul. Lauren- to know what has what see the links Lee posted friday, google it, or go to the AMD site. A specifically compiled kernel/and/or/distro will probably run faster, but a straight i686 distro can be an ok secondary option. Don >> The Ciacug has gotten in more of the nice Compaq servers that Dave W >> picked up awhile ago not sure how much they want.. Also they got in a >> bunch of PIII dual processor and 2 gig ram boxes that they are letting go >> for 300.. Nice Linux boxen.. I know this is a little off topic .. Dave W >> if you interested email me off list and I'll check into it more.. More on >> topic is AMD-K62 takes a different arch doesn't it or do you use the i686 >> kernel I am trying to get a distro for a friend and want to make sure it >> loads. I know a little naive of me but it has been awhile for the AMDs. > > In debian they have a kernel built for K6 CPU's. I 686 Kernel would > probably have issues on a K6, it is for intel PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV. > > James From cialug@cialug.org Mon Mar 21 14:51:12 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Josh More) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:51:12 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Ciacug and general hardware Message-ID: While it may technically work, some distros (RHEL / CentOS) have a check on install for i686 arch. The K6 fails this check, and you simply cannot install the OS on a K6 machine. What you *can* do, however, is hack that logic out of the install script, and force and install. My experience has been that it will not boot after that, but you can go into rescue mode off the CD, install the kernel-BOOT rpm and manually configure GRUB. This process may apply to other distros as well (such as SLES), but I do not know this for a fact. -Josh More >>> doncady@bigfoot.com 03/21/05 8:03 AM >>> I don't see how it would. An i686 kernel (and any app/module/etc for that matter) with flat i686 'PPro-level' processor instructions will execute perfectly fine on all AMD models K6 and later. It's when various optimizations- MMX, SSE (&2&3), etc. are used on processors that won't execute them that things run afoul. Lauren- to know what has what see the links Lee posted friday, google it, or go to the AMD site. A specifically compiled kernel/and/or/distro will probably run faster, but a straight i686 distro can be an ok secondary option. Don >> The Ciacug has gotten in more of the nice Compaq servers that Dave W >> picked up awhile ago not sure how much they want.. Also they got in a >> bunch of PIII dual processor and 2 gig ram boxes that they are letting go >> for 300.. Nice Linux boxen.. I know this is a little off topic .. Dave W >> if you interested email me off list and I'll check into it more.. More on >> topic is AMD-K62 takes a different arch doesn't it or do you use the i686 >> kernel I am trying to get a distro for a friend and want to make sure it >> loads. I know a little naive of me but it has been awhile for the AMDs. > > In debian they have a kernel built for K6 CPU's. I 686 Kernel would > probably have issues on a K6, it is for intel PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV. > > James _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Mon Mar 21 18:12:51 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:12:51 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Ciacug and general hardware In-Reply-To: <423D44B2.2050203@mchsi.com> References: <423D44B2.2050203@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <423F0EA3.5050006@visionary.com> Lauren Stole wrote: > The Ciacug has gotten in more of the nice Compaq servers that Dave W > picked up awhile ago not sure how much they want.. Also they got in a > bunch of PIII dual processor and 2 gig ram boxes that they are letting > go for 300.. Nice Linux boxen.. I know this is a little off topic .. > Dave W if you interested email me off list and I'll check into it more.. > More on topic is AMD-K62 takes a different arch doesn't it or do you use > the i686 kernel I am trying to get a distro for a friend and want to > make sure it loads. I know a little naive of me but it has been awhile > for the AMDs. Those dual P3 machines are probably really nice - I saw them when I was up there a couple weeks ago. Don't recall the model, but they're the heavy-duty HP workstations aimed at engineers. I believe they have scsi disk systems in them too. They'd make great servers. -dc From cialug@cialug.org Mon Mar 21 18:19:59 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:19:59 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Ciacug and general hardware Message-ID: If they are Kayaks I'd agree with that. I have an 800 Mhz Kayak with SCSI disks that I refuse to give up as my primary workstation. I only have 1 CPU in it though 8-(. It's a great box. HP made a hell of a business machine before the Compaq Merger. -Nate -----Original Message----- From: David Champion [mailto:dave@visionary.com] Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 12:13 PM To: cialug@cialug.org Subject: Re: [Cialug] Ciacug and general hardware Lauren Stole wrote: > The Ciacug has gotten in more of the nice Compaq servers that Dave W > picked up awhile ago not sure how much they want.. Also they got in a > bunch of PIII dual processor and 2 gig ram boxes that they are letting > go for 300.. Nice Linux boxen.. I know this is a little off topic .. > Dave W if you interested email me off list and I'll check into it more.. > More on topic is AMD-K62 takes a different arch doesn't it or do you use > the i686 kernel I am trying to get a distro for a friend and want to > make sure it loads. I know a little naive of me but it has been awhile > for the AMDs. Those dual P3 machines are probably really nice - I saw them when I was up there a couple weeks ago. Don't recall the model, but they're the heavy-duty HP workstations aimed at engineers. I believe they have scsi disk systems in them too. They'd make great servers. -dc _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Mon Mar 21 23:13:35 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Bailey, Jonathan C) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:13:35 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Looking for SCA drives Message-ID: Does anyone know where I can get 18GB(ish) SCA2 drives locally? -------------------- Jonathan Bailey POS Analyst bailj0@bp.com (515) 226-5005 From cialug@cialug.org Mon Mar 21 23:22:51 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:22:51 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Looking for SCA drives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <423F574B.2030005@visionary.com> Bailey, Jonathan C wrote: > Does anyone know where I can get 18GB(ish) SCA2 drives locally? I bet you a box of floppy diskettes that you can't walk into any retail computer outlet in town and buy one single new SCSI drive of any kind, let alone a SCA2 drive. If someone like DW's Computer Shack (Internetsolver) doesn't have one used, you're probably going to have to buy one online. Maybe... you might be able to find something from Pomeroy, ANT, or some place like that. They'd probably have to order it too. -dc From cialug@cialug.org Mon Mar 21 23:25:06 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Dave J. Hala Jr.) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:25:06 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Looking for SCA drives In-Reply-To: <423F574B.2030005@visionary.com> References: <423F574B.2030005@visionary.com> Message-ID: <1111447506.25218.359.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com> Sometimes places like Pomeroy keep some of that stuff on hand for client emergencies.... On Mon, 2005-03-21 at 17:22, David Champion wrote: > Bailey, Jonathan C wrote: > > Does anyone know where I can get 18GB(ish) SCA2 drives locally? > > I bet you a box of floppy diskettes that you can't walk into any retail > computer outlet in town and buy one single new SCSI drive of any kind, > let alone a SCA2 drive. > > If someone like DW's Computer Shack (Internetsolver) doesn't have one > used, you're probably going to have to buy one online. > > Maybe... you might be able to find something from Pomeroy, ANT, or some > place like that. They'd probably have to order it too. > > -dc > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -- Open Source Information Systems (OSIS) Dave J. Hala Jr. 641.485.1606 From cialug@cialug.org Mon Mar 21 23:30:03 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Bailey, Jonathan C) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:30:03 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Looking for SCA drives Message-ID: *cough* expensive *cough* BUT... I guess you get what you pay for. I have a RAID5 array which lost 1 disk (and the hot space). Jon -----Original Message----- From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On Behalf Of Dave J. Hala Jr. Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 5:25 PM To: Cialug Subject: Re: [Cialug] Looking for SCA drives Sometimes places like Pomeroy keep some of that stuff on hand for client emergencies.... On Mon, 2005-03-21 at 17:22, David Champion wrote: > Bailey, Jonathan C wrote: > > Does anyone know where I can get 18GB(ish) SCA2 drives locally? >=20 > I bet you a box of floppy diskettes that you can't walk into any retail=20 > computer outlet in town and buy one single new SCSI drive of any kind, > let alone a SCA2 drive. >=20 > If someone like DW's Computer Shack (Internetsolver) doesn't have one=20 > used, you're probably going to have to buy one online. >=20 > Maybe... you might be able to find something from Pomeroy, ANT, or some=20 > place like that. They'd probably have to order it too. >=20 > -dc >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug --=20 Open Source Information Systems (OSIS) Dave J. Hala Jr. 641.485.1606 _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 22 01:28:44 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (admin) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:28:44 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] ipcop Message-ID: anyone on this list use ipcop? ------------------------- want an email address ending in @c0wzftp.com? send an email on over to admin@c0wzftp.com From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 22 01:41:08 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:41:08 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Looking for SCA drives Message-ID: If you can;'t find any locally, I've had good luck with used/refurb stuff through serverworlds.com. They are in Mn, so UPS ground usually takes only a day. -Nate -----Original Message----- From: Bailey, Jonathan C [mailto:bailj0@bp.com] Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 5:14 PM To: cialug@cialug.org Subject: [Cialug] Looking for SCA drives Does anyone know where I can get 18GB(ish) SCA2 drives locally? -------------------- Jonathan Bailey POS Analyst bailj0@bp.com (515) 226-5005 _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 22 03:03:16 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Don Cady) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:03:16 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Ciacug and general hardware References: Message-ID: <002401c52e8b$b1cd49c0$6601a8c0@any7xu043c9b9i> For argument's sake: Is this because they're using mmx instructions in their i686 builds (thereby excluding the PPro too), the way the K6 line handles memory, or is it early 'sponsorship funds' that came from Intel? Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh More" To: Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [Cialug] Ciacug and general hardware > While it may technically work, some distros (RHEL / CentOS) have a check > on install > for i686 arch. The K6 fails this check, and you simply cannot install > the OS on a K6 > machine. What you *can* do, however, is hack that logic out of the > install script, and force > and install. My experience has been that it will not boot after that, > but you can go into > rescue mode off the CD, install the kernel-BOOT rpm and manually > configure GRUB. > > This process may apply to other distros as well (such as SLES), but I do > not know this > for a fact. > > -Josh More > >>>> doncady@bigfoot.com 03/21/05 8:03 AM >>> > I don't see how it would. An i686 kernel (and any app/module/etc for > that > matter) with flat i686 'PPro-level' processor instructions will execute > perfectly fine on all AMD models K6 and later. It's when various > optimizations- MMX, SSE (&2&3), etc. are used on processors that won't > execute them that things run afoul. > Lauren- to know what has what see the links Lee posted friday, google > it, or > go to the AMD site. > A specifically compiled kernel/and/or/distro will probably run faster, > but a > straight i686 distro can be an ok secondary option. > > Don > >>> The Ciacug has gotten in more of the nice Compaq servers that Dave W >>> picked up awhile ago not sure how much they want.. Also they got in a >>> bunch of PIII dual processor and 2 gig ram boxes that they are > letting go >>> for 300.. Nice Linux boxen.. I know this is a little off topic .. > Dave W >>> if you interested email me off list and I'll check into it more.. > More on >>> topic is AMD-K62 takes a different arch doesn't it or do you use the > i686 >>> kernel I am trying to get a distro for a friend and want to make sure > it >>> loads. I know a little naive of me but it has been awhile for the > AMDs. >> >> In debian they have a kernel built for K6 CPU's. I 686 Kernel would >> probably have issues on a K6, it is for intel > PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV. >> >> James > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 22 03:10:58 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Don Cady) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:10:58 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Looking for SCA drives References: <423F574B.2030005@visionary.com> Message-ID: <003e01c52e8c$c5496d70$6601a8c0@any7xu043c9b9i> I'd take that bet, but floppies 'll do nothing but make the fireplace go pretty for a couple minutes. > I bet you a box of floppy diskettes that you can't walk into any retail > computer outlet in town and buy one single new SCSI drive of any kind, let > alone a SCA2 drive. > > If someone like DW's Computer Shack (Internetsolver) doesn't have one > used, you're probably going to have to buy one online. Weis- Has the name changed yet? Don From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 22 04:12:25 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Theron Conrey) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 04:12:25 +0000 Subject: [Cialug] ipcop Message-ID: <1111464745.81b0974theron@conrey.org> have not tried IPCOP, however Smoothwall has similar features and seems a b= it more robust and flushed out. I run it in our office and have great up= time and reliability. Theron Conrey -----Original Message----- From: "admin" To: cialug@cialug.org Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:28:44 -0600=20 Subject: [Cialug] ipcop anyone on this list use ipcop? ------------------------- want an email address ending in @c0wzftp.com? send an email on over to admin@c0wzftp.com _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 22 05:08:10 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Mark Hesseltine) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 23:08:10 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] ipcop In-Reply-To: <1111464745.81b0974theron@conrey.org> References: <1111464745.81b0974theron@conrey.org> Message-ID: <35e03aae050321210861cc3ae9@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 04:12:25 +0000, Theron Conrey wrote: > have not tried IPCOP, however Smoothwall has similar features and seems a bit more robust and flushed out. I run it in our office and have great uptime and reliability. > > Theron Conrey > > -----Original Message----- > From: "admin" > To: cialug@cialug.org > Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:28:44 -0600 > Subject: [Cialug] ipcop > > anyone on this list use ipcop? > > ------------------------- > want an email address ending in @c0wzftp.com? > send an email on over to admin@c0wzftp.com > If you're looking for an opensource firewall, and aren't specific about using Linux, you may want to check out m0n0wall at http://www.m0n0.ch/wall/ It's based on FreeBSD, and can install on compact flash, or a CDROM. -- Mark Hesseltine mailto:markhesseltine@gmail.com From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 22 12:25:42 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Dave Weis) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 06:25:42 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Cialug] Looking for SCA drives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I might have one or two. I will check the basement. What is your budget for this project? I think I had bought them for something else but not needed them. On Mon, 21 Mar 2005, Bailey, Jonathan C wrote: > Does anyone know where I can get 18GB(ish) SCA2 drives locally? > > > > > -------------------- > Jonathan Bailey > POS Analyst > bailj0@bp.com > (515) 226-5005 > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -- Dave Weis "I believe there are more instances of the abridgment djweis@sjdjweis.com of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations."- James Madison From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 22 12:57:11 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Theron Conrey) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:57:11 +0000 Subject: [Cialug] ipcop Message-ID: <1111496231.815ef34theron@conrey.org> M0n0wall recently released a newer beta ver 1.2 Beta 7. Thier configuratio= n seems rather pretty cool: "The entire system configuration is stored in= one single XML text file to keep things transparent. m0n0wall is probabl= y the first UNIX system that has its boot-time configuration done with PH= P, rather than the usual shell scripts, and that has the entire system co= nfiguration stored in XML format." Theron Conrey -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hesseltine To: cialug@cialug.org Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 23:08:10 -0600=20 Subject: Re: [Cialug] ipcop On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 04:12:25 +0000, Theron Conrey wrote= : > have not tried IPCOP, however Smoothwall has similar features and seems a= bit more robust and flushed out. I run it in our office and have great = uptime and reliability. >=20 > Theron Conrey >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: "admin" > To: cialug@cialug.org > Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:28:44 -0600 > Subject: [Cialug] ipcop >=20 > anyone on this list use ipcop? >=20 > ------------------------- > want an email address ending in @c0wzftp.com? > send an email on over to admin@c0wzftp.com >=20 If you're looking for an opensource firewall, and aren't specific about using Linux, you may want to check out m0n0wall at http://www.m0n0.ch/wall/ It's based on FreeBSD, and can install on compact flash, or a CDROM. --=20 Mark Hesseltine mailto:markhesseltine@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 22 14:10:54 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Sam) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:10:54 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] ipcop References: Message-ID: <002101c52ee8$f776de20$7200000a@vendprint.local> > anyone on this list use ipcop? > We've been using it for a couple of years. The only downtime has been extended power outages. From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 22 16:54:08 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:54:08 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Re: [ciapug] XML In-Reply-To: <1111419840.25218.281.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com> References: <1111419840.25218.281.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com> Message-ID: <42404DB0.1090809@visionary.com> [crosspostin'] Dave J. Hala Jr. wrote [on the PHP list] : > Anyone using XML on one of their sites to exchange information with > other systems? > > Anyone sending an "XML query" (wrong terminology, I know) to another > site, retrieving the data and inserting into their system? > > How do you handle the authenitication? What software you use on the > Linux system? > > > :) Dave I recall Dave Weis mentioned that he'd written a PHP/XML service recently. -dc From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 22 17:09:22 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Tony Bibbs) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:09:22 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Re: [ciapug] XML In-Reply-To: <42404DB0.1090809@visionary.com> References: <1111419840.25218.281.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com> <42404DB0.1090809@visionary.com> Message-ID: <42405142.1050301@tonybibbs.com> Anything wrong with using SOAP? If so, what about XMLRPC? Securing the service can be a challenge and it needs to happen at multiple levels. Networking is a good place to start...if you can only allow access to the service from specific hosts. Then there is the transport layer...using SSL is a no brainer and finally, you can embed some sort of userid/password type of thing to go over with the request. I'd personally recommend SOAP (PHP5's SOAP implementation is servicable) and if that won't fly then you can use XMLRPC. PHP5 supports XMLPRC (assuming the appropriate --with-xmlrpc option was given) and should that fail then use PEAR's XMLRPC implementation: http://pear.php.net/package/XML_RPC#results --Tony David Champion wrote: > [crosspostin'] > > Dave J. Hala Jr. wrote [on the PHP list] : > >> Anyone using XML on one of their sites to exchange information with >> other systems? >> >> Anyone sending an "XML query" (wrong terminology, I know) to another >> site, retrieving the data and inserting into their system? >> >> How do you handle the authenitication? What software you use on the >> Linux system? >> >> >> :) Dave > > > I recall Dave Weis mentioned that he'd written a PHP/XML service > recently. > > -dc > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 22 17:12:17 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Dave Weis) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:12:17 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Cialug] Re: [ciapug] XML In-Reply-To: <42404DB0.1090809@visionary.com> References: <1111419840.25218.281.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com> <42404DB0.1090809@visionary.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 22 Mar 2005, David Champion wrote: > [crosspostin'] > Dave J. Hala Jr. wrote [on the PHP list] : >> Anyone using XML on one of their sites to exchange information with >> other systems? >> >> Anyone sending an "XML query" (wrong terminology, I know) to another >> site, retrieving the data and inserting into their system? >> >> How do you handle the authenitication? What software you use on the >> Linux system? > > I recall Dave Weis mentioned that he'd written a PHP/XML service recently. Yes I did. It wasn't too bad. I had originally written something that would take an xml string as an http post, then found out it was supposed to be a SOAP call. I used the nusoap library and it took about 10 lines to attach it to my function. It would create a wsdl automatically (function description) so I used the free time to learn vb.net and made a little program with one text field and one button that would do a SOAP call to my test function and show the results. Not too bad. If you want I can try to sanitize what I wrote and show you how it's done but the nusoap docs aren't too bad. -- Dave Weis "I believe there are more instances of the abridgment djweis@sjdjweis.com of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations."- James Madison From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 22 17:22:36 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:22:36 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Re: [ciapug] XML Message-ID: You can use openWDDX (openwddx.org) to serialize data into an XML format and transmit it via web, or whatever, and desreialize it on the other end. There are modules for php, etc. It may be easier than creating a web service. -Nate -----Original Message----- From: David Champion [mailto:dave@visionary.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 10:54 AM To: ciapug@cialug.org Cc: cialug@cialug.org Subject: [Cialug] Re: [ciapug] XML [crosspostin'] Dave J. Hala Jr. wrote [on the PHP list] : > Anyone using XML on one of their sites to exchange information with > other systems? > > Anyone sending an "XML query" (wrong terminology, I know) to another > site, retrieving the data and inserting into their system? > > How do you handle the authenitication? What software you use on the > Linux system? > > > :) Dave I recall Dave Weis mentioned that he'd written a PHP/XML service recently. -dc _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 22 18:19:48 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Dave J. Hala Jr.) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:19:48 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Re: [ciapug] XML In-Reply-To: References: <1111419840.25218.281.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com> <42404DB0.1090809@visionary.com> Message-ID: <1111515588.25218.406.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com> Thanks for all the feedback. Looks like I've got a good place to start. On Tue, 2005-03-22 at 11:12, Dave Weis wrote: > On Tue, 22 Mar 2005, David Champion wrote: > > [crosspostin'] > > Dave J. Hala Jr. wrote [on the PHP list] : > >> Anyone using XML on one of their sites to exchange information with > >> other systems? > >> > >> Anyone sending an "XML query" (wrong terminology, I know) to another > >> site, retrieving the data and inserting into their system? > >> > >> How do you handle the authenitication? What software you use on the > >> Linux system? > > > > I recall Dave Weis mentioned that he'd written a PHP/XML service recently. > > Yes I did. It wasn't too bad. I had originally written something that > would take an xml string as an http post, then found out it was supposed > to be a SOAP call. I used the nusoap library and it took about 10 lines to > attach it to my function. It would create a wsdl automatically (function > description) so I used the free time to learn vb.net and made a little > program with one text field and one button that would do a SOAP call to my > test function and show the results. Not too bad. > > If you want I can try to sanitize what I wrote and show you how it's done > but the nusoap docs aren't too bad. -- Open Source Information Systems (OSIS) Dave J. Hala Jr. 641.485.1606 From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 22 22:50:23 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Korver, Aaron) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 16:50:23 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Re: [ciapug] XML Message-ID: <0205C50D41B7D611AEA50002A537CEC20328EBD9@DES10MS01> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C52F31.87FBB450 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Note though that SSL isn't good enough when talking about SOAP if you are going to be pushing the webservice out to the world. If you are going to be staying within a private LAN then SSL is probably sufficient. Transport layer security is just one layer. The ws-security specs detail data layer security. http://docs.oasis-open.org/wss/2004/01/oasis-200401-wss-soap-message-securit y-1.0 > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Bibbs [mailto:tony@tonybibbs.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 11:09 AM > To: cialug@cialug.org > Cc: ciapug@cialug.org > Subject: Re: [Cialug] Re: [ciapug] XML > > > Anything wrong with using SOAP? If so, what about XMLRPC? > > Securing the service can be a challenge and it needs to happen at > multiple levels. Networking is a good place to start...if > you can only > allow access to the service from specific hosts. Then there is the > transport layer...using SSL is a no brainer and finally, you > can embed > some sort of userid/password type of thing to go over with > the request. > > I'd personally recommend SOAP (PHP5's SOAP implementation is > servicable) > and if that won't fly then you can use XMLRPC. PHP5 supports XMLPRC > (assuming the appropriate --with-xmlrpc option was given) and should > that fail then use PEAR's XMLRPC implementation: > http://pear.php.net/package/XML_RPC#results > > --Tony > > David Champion wrote: > > > [crosspostin'] > > > > Dave J. Hala Jr. wrote [on the PHP list] : > > > >> Anyone using XML on one of their sites to exchange information with > >> other systems? > >> > >> Anyone sending an "XML query" (wrong terminology, I know) > to another > >> site, retrieving the data and inserting into their system? > >> > >> How do you handle the authenitication? What software you use on the > >> Linux system? > >> > >> > >> :) Dave > > > > > > I recall Dave Weis mentioned that he'd written a PHP/XML service > > recently. > > > > -dc > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug@cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C52F31.87FBB450 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [Cialug] Re: [ciapug] XML

Note though that SSL isn't good enough when talking = about SOAP if you are going to be pushing the webservice out to the = world.  If you are going to be staying within a private LAN then = SSL is probably sufficient.  Transport layer security is just one = layer.  The ws-security specs detail data layer security.  =

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tony Bibbs [mailto:tony@tonybibbs.com]=
> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 11:09 AM
> To: cialug@cialug.org
> Cc: ciapug@cialug.org
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Re: [ciapug] XML
>
>
> Anything wrong with using SOAP?  If so, = what about XMLRPC?
>
> Securing the service can be a challenge and it = needs to happen at
> multiple levels.  Networking is a good = place to start...if
> you can only
> allow access to the service from specific = hosts.  Then there is the
> transport layer...using SSL is a no brainer and = finally, you
> can embed
> some sort of userid/password type of thing to = go over with
> the request.
>
> I'd personally recommend SOAP (PHP5's SOAP = implementation is
> servicable)
> and if that won't fly then you can use = XMLRPC.  PHP5 supports XMLPRC
> (assuming the appropriate --with-xmlrpc option = was given) and should
> that fail then use PEAR's XMLRPC = implementation:
> http://pear.php.net/package/XML_RPC#results=
>
> --Tony
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> David Champion wrote:
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> > [crosspostin']
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> > Dave J. Hala Jr. wrote [on the PHP list] = :
> >
> >> Anyone using XML on one of their sites = to exchange information with
> >> other systems?
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> >> Anyone sending an "XML = query" (wrong terminology, I know)
> to another
> >> site, retrieving the data and = inserting into their system?
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> >> How do you handle the authenitication? = What software you use on the
> >> Linux system?
> >>
> >>
> >> :) Dave
> >
> >
> > I recall Dave Weis mentioned that he'd = written a PHP/XML service
> > recently.
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C52F31.87FBB450-- From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 23 03:08:10 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Tom Pohl) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:08:10 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] RedHat's site Message-ID: Has anyone else noticed tonight that RedHat's site is down for maintenance? Does anyone know if there's a back story? -Tom From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 23 03:22:21 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (admin) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:22:21 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] RedHat's site In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: dunno wanna start some rumors? -----Original Message----- From: Tom Pohl To: cialug@cialug.org Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:08:10 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] RedHat's site > Has anyone else noticed tonight that RedHat's site is down for > maintenance? Does anyone know if there's a back story? > > -Tom > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug ------------------------- want an email address ending in @c0wzftp.com? send an email on over to admin@c0wzftp.com From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 23 04:03:02 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 22:03:02 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] RedHat's site Message-ID: Aparently Redhat's not designed for 9 nines. Hmmm..... Sun, EDS, and Dell were right. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Pohl [mailto:tom@tcpconsulting.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 9:08 PM To: cialug@cialug.org Subject: [Cialug] RedHat's site Has anyone else noticed tonight that RedHat's site is down for maintenance? Does anyone know if there's a back story? -Tom _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 23 05:26:04 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Mark Hesseltine) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 23:26:04 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] RedHat's site In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <35e03aae05032221264ae45b64@mail.gmail.com> Microsoft using Akamai to DDoS Redhat? On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 22:03:02 -0600, Nathan C. Smith wrote: > Aparently Redhat's not designed for 9 nines. Hmmm..... Sun, EDS, and Dell > were right. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Pohl [mailto:tom@tcpconsulting.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 9:08 PM > To: cialug@cialug.org > Subject: [Cialug] RedHat's site > > Has anyone else noticed tonight that RedHat's site is down for > maintenance? Does anyone know if there's a back story? > > -Tom > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -- Mark Hesseltine mailto:markhesseltine@gmail.com From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 23 06:21:01 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Chris Hilton) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:21:01 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] stupid processor question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42410ACD.7090109@cs.iastate.edu> i686 is the Pentium Pro, Pentium II, Pentium III, Pentium IV, Pentium M, Pentium 4M (duh). Athlon is fully i686 compatible, and also supports a little extra; that makes up the Athlon arch. amd_64, is Athlon64. x86_64, I think is two instructions different and works on Intel's EM64T as well. i586 is Pentium and AMD K6-2 (maybe K6 too I think?) i486 is well 486. etc. I hope I got that all correct! Nathan C. Smith wrote: >Do not pass go, do not collect $200, go directly to remedial computer >school. > >Which processors fall within the classification of i686-class? > >Does the PIII count? Xeon? Which AMD chips would count? Athlon? > >I'm sorry, I thought I had this straight, the more I read on this issue the >more confused I become. > >Also, thanks to Dave for the great intro to CVS. It really cleared up some >mysteries for me. > >-Nate >_______________________________________________ >Cialug mailing list >Cialug@cialug.org >http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 23 06:28:12 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Chris Hilton) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:28:12 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Fedora Core 3 SELinux In-Reply-To: <75dbc77e02035ac45611e366aea34a04@tcpconsulting.com> References: <7ed994ca58f1dfda3f27344eda83ad00@tcpconsulting.com> <75dbc77e02035ac45611e366aea34a04@tcpconsulting.com> Message-ID: <42410C7C.1010801@cs.iastate.edu> Good to hear. My understanding, and I believe I read this in RH magazine, is that the FC3 policy set is pretty pathetic (they mentioned it having like 5,000 rules). My experience has been bad with it. Upon doing an upgrade from FC2 it worked fine, with SELinux disabled. Then I enabled it, and found my system unbootable. It worked after a full reinstall though; gotta love mass RPM upgrades! To give a perspective on the 5,000 number, RHEL4 WS I think they said has 290,000 rules. I've not really played with it much; but in all cases I've heard this repeatedly: It does you little good unless you add some rules yourself and make the sandbox smaller and smaller. If I understand it right. It adds application level permissions to files. So you can say /etc/shadow is only accessible by applications x, y, and z; and then determine the permissions for those applications (rwx). So if someone manages to root you, they can't `vim /etc/shadow`; they have to be more creative! Tom Pohl wrote: > Now now, I haven't ditched anything, I'm just adding and expanding :) > > -Tom > > On Mar 15, 2005, at 9:19 AM, Dave Weis wrote: > >> >> On Tue, 15 Mar 2005, Tom Pohl wrote: >> >>> I'm installing my first FC3 box (*gasp*). Are there any Security >>> Enhanced Linux (SELinux) experts out there? >>> >>> I'm trying to figure out how many gotcha's I would run into by it >>> on. Is it really a good thing? >> >> >> The default policy doesn't block anything, it just warns you when it >> would have. I only have one FC3 machine that I installed from scratch >> and had selinux functional. It didn't cause any problems with anything. >> >> Glad you are stepping out of the 80's and ditching slackware :-) >> >> -- >> Dave Weis "I believe there are more instances of the >> abridgment >> djweis@sjdjweis.com of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent >> encroachments of those in power than by violent >> and sudden usurpations."- James Madison >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 23 14:39:39 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Anthony Jeffries) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:39:39 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Cialug] RedHat's site In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <32801.192.168.0.30.1111588779.squirrel@webmail.loopysite.org> Tom (and others), Red Hat's up2date servers are down every Tuesday night for maintenance. It's normal. On Tue, March 22, 2005 21:08, Tom Pohl said: > Has anyone else noticed tonight that RedHat's site is down for > maintenance? Does anyone know if there's a back story? > > -Tom -- Anthony Jeffries | ajeffri@loopysite.org Amateur Radio: N0NRO I am not a conservative. I am a Christian. From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 23 15:04:39 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Tom Pohl) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:04:39 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] RedHat's site In-Reply-To: <32801.192.168.0.30.1111588779.squirrel@webmail.loopysite.org> References: <32801.192.168.0.30.1111588779.squirrel@webmail.loopysite.org> Message-ID: <6d9b1c2ce9916415c9cabeaaac177493@tcpconsulting.com> That's a good tidbit to know! BTW, even www.redhat.com was down last night. I don't know if that's normal or not, just an observation :) -Tom On Mar 23, 2005, at 8:39 AM, Anthony Jeffries wrote: > Tom (and others), > > Red Hat's up2date servers are down every Tuesday night for maintenance. > It's normal. > > On Tue, March 22, 2005 21:08, Tom Pohl said: >> Has anyone else noticed tonight that RedHat's site is down for >> maintenance? Does anyone know if there's a back story? >> >> -Tom > > -- > Anthony Jeffries | ajeffri@loopysite.org > Amateur Radio: N0NRO > I am not a conservative. I am a Christian. > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 23 15:49:07 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (cialug@cialug.org) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:49:07 +0000 Subject: [Cialug] RedHat's site Message-ID: <032320051549.16956.42418FF3000561A10000423C2197913363CECECF02019C04079903079B@mchsi.com> Redhat just got a preliminary copy of Longhorn, and thought they'd try it out. It had Microsoft's new Anti-spyware installed, and it mistakenly saw the Linux boxes as spyware. Hey, it could happen. MS often redefines terminology. Linux as spyware? Sure, you have all of those public programmers spying on what you are doing. It's a conspiracy! :-) :-) :-) -- Tim W. > Aparently Redhat's not designed for 9 nines. Hmmm..... Sun, EDS, and Dell > were right. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Pohl [mailto:tom@tcpconsulting.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 9:08 PM > To: cialug@cialug.org > Subject: [Cialug] RedHat's site > > > > Has anyone else noticed tonight that RedHat's site is down for > maintenance? Does anyone know if there's a back story? > > -Tom > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 23 16:23:40 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Claus) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:23:40 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Re: [ciapug] XML In-Reply-To: <0205C50D41B7D611AEA50002A537CEC20328EBD9@DES10MS01> References: <0205C50D41B7D611AEA50002A537CEC20328EBD9@DES10MS01> Message-ID: <4241980C.2030902@gmx.net> Not sure what you really want to achive but I'd suggest using SSL and with apache authentication then you can just focus on creating the XML data stream with php. Another option is to have the web server listen to a local port only to which you have an ssh tunnel. Claus On 3/22/2005 4:50 PM, Korver, Aaron wrote: > Note though that SSL isn't good enough when talking about SOAP if you > are going to be pushing the webservice out to the world. If you are > going to be staying within a private LAN then SSL is probably > sufficient. Transport layer security is just one layer. The > ws-security specs detail data layer security. > > http://docs.oasis-open.org/wss/2004/01/oasis-200401-wss-soap-message-security-1.0 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tony Bibbs [mailto:tony@tonybibbs.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 11:09 AM > > To: cialug@cialug.org > > Cc: ciapug@cialug.org > > Subject: Re: [Cialug] Re: [ciapug] XML > > > > > > Anything wrong with using SOAP? If so, what about XMLRPC? > > > > Securing the service can be a challenge and it needs to happen at > > multiple levels. Networking is a good place to start...if > > you can only > > allow access to the service from specific hosts. Then there is the > > transport layer...using SSL is a no brainer and finally, you > > can embed > > some sort of userid/password type of thing to go over with > > the request. > > > > I'd personally recommend SOAP (PHP5's SOAP implementation is > > servicable) > > and if that won't fly then you can use XMLRPC. PHP5 supports XMLPRC > > (assuming the appropriate --with-xmlrpc option was given) and should > > that fail then use PEAR's XMLRPC implementation: > > http://pear.php.net/package/XML_RPC#results > > > > --Tony > > > > David Champion wrote: > > > > > [crosspostin'] > > > > > > Dave J. Hala Jr. wrote [on the PHP list] : > > > > > >> Anyone using XML on one of their sites to exchange information with > > >> other systems? > > >> > > >> Anyone sending an "XML query" (wrong terminology, I know) > > to another > > >> site, retrieving the data and inserting into their system? > > >> > > >> How do you handle the authenitication? What software you use on the > > >> Linux system? > > >> > > >> > > >> :) Dave > > > > > > > > > I recall Dave Weis mentioned that he'd written a PHP/XML service > > > recently. > > > > > > -dc > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Cialug mailing list > > > Cialug@cialug.org > > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug@cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 23 17:19:06 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:19:06 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] RedHat's site In-Reply-To: <32801.192.168.0.30.1111588779.squirrel@webmail.loopysite.org> References: <32801.192.168.0.30.1111588779.squirrel@webmail.loopysite.org> Message-ID: <4241A50A.6080705@visionary.com> My biggest gripe about Fedora is the centralized update system. Any time a big patch comes out, it's impossible to get them downloaded for a while. Mandrake and Debian address this by using mirror sites. The problem with Mandrake is you sometimes have to change your mirrors if they decide to drop it, and a lot of the mirrors only carry the latest version's updates, so if you're a version or two back, you really have to hunt for someone who's mirroring the updates for it. A bittorrent based update system would be nifty... -dc Anthony Jeffries wrote: > Tom (and others), > > Red Hat's up2date servers are down every Tuesday night for maintenance. > It's normal. > > On Tue, March 22, 2005 21:08, Tom Pohl said: > >>Has anyone else noticed tonight that RedHat's site is down for >>maintenance? Does anyone know if there's a back story? >> >>-Tom > > From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 23 17:17:42 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Dave Weis) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:17:42 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Cialug] RedHat's site In-Reply-To: <4241A50A.6080705@visionary.com> References: <32801.192.168.0.30.1111588779.squirrel@webmail.loopysite.org> <4241A50A.6080705@visionary.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, David Champion wrote: > My biggest gripe about Fedora is the centralized update system. Any time a > big patch comes out, it's impossible to get them downloaded for a while. yum in newer versions has automatic mirror locating and will try other mirrors from the list if the one you connected to doesn't have what you need. It works very slick. > Anthony Jeffries wrote: >> Tom (and others), >> >> Red Hat's up2date servers are down every Tuesday night for maintenance. >> It's normal. >> >> On Tue, March 22, 2005 21:08, Tom Pohl said: >> >>> Has anyone else noticed tonight that RedHat's site is down for >>> maintenance? Does anyone know if there's a back story? >>> >>> -Tom >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -- Dave Weis "I believe there are more instances of the abridgment djweis@sjdjweis.com of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations."- James Madison From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 23 17:24:28 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Jerry Weida) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:24:28 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] RedHat's site In-Reply-To: <4241A50A.6080705@visionary.com> References: <32801.192.168.0.30.1111588779.squirrel@webmail.loopysite.org> <4241A50A.6080705@visionary.com> Message-ID: <40e57b5f05032309244e757c41@mail.gmail.com> FreeBSD uses a similar mirror system. The great thing about FreeBSD is that they you don't have to worry about if your version is old. You can upgrade the any "current" version just by using cvsup. it will upgrade your system to whatever version you set it to. On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:19:06 -0600, David Champion wrote: > My biggest gripe about Fedora is the centralized update system. Any time > a big patch comes out, it's impossible to get them downloaded for a while. > > Mandrake and Debian address this by using mirror sites. The problem with > Mandrake is you sometimes have to change your mirrors if they decide to > drop it, and a lot of the mirrors only carry the latest version's > updates, so if you're a version or two back, you really have to hunt for > someone who's mirroring the updates for it. > > A bittorrent based update system would be nifty... > > -dc > > Anthony Jeffries wrote: > > Tom (and others), > > > > Red Hat's up2date servers are down every Tuesday night for maintenance. > > It's normal. > > > > On Tue, March 22, 2005 21:08, Tom Pohl said: > > > >>Has anyone else noticed tonight that RedHat's site is down for > >>maintenance? Does anyone know if there's a back story? > >> > >>-Tom > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 23 17:47:07 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Tom Pohl) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:47:07 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] RedHat's site In-Reply-To: References: <32801.192.168.0.30.1111588779.squirrel@webmail.loopysite.org> <4241A50A.6080705@visionary.com> Message-ID: <9251a7ab770087143a7c988d5eaff9fd@tcpconsulting.com> On Mar 23, 2005, at 11:17 AM, Dave Weis wrote: > On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, David Champion wrote: >> My biggest gripe about Fedora is the centralized update system. Any >> time a big patch comes out, it's impossible to get them downloaded >> for a while. > > yum in newer versions has automatic mirror locating and will try other > mirrors from the list if the one you connected to doesn't have what > you need. It works very slick. > While this is true, out of the box, it only lists 1 mirror location for Fedora (redhat). I was hesitant to add a google located second or third mirror for fear that they were outdated and yum wouldn't be smart enough to recognize what was going on. -Tom From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 23 18:41:29 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Dave J. Hala Jr.) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:41:29 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Re: [ciapug] XML In-Reply-To: <4241980C.2030902@gmx.net> References: <0205C50D41B7D611AEA50002A537CEC20328EBD9@DES10MS01> <4241980C.2030902@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1111603289.25218.430.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com> This is exactly what I wanted to do, but I'd like to have it happen as cron job... On Wed, 2005-03-23 at 10:23, Claus wrote: > Not sure what you really want to achive but I'd suggest using SSL and > with apache authentication then you can just focus on creating the XML > data stream with php. > > Another option is to have the web server listen to a local port only to > which you have an ssh tunnel. > > Claus > > On 3/22/2005 4:50 PM, Korver, Aaron wrote: > > Note though that SSL isn't good enough when talking about SOAP if you > > are going to be pushing the webservice out to the world. If you are > > going to be staying within a private LAN then SSL is probably > > sufficient. Transport layer security is just one layer. The > > ws-security specs detail data layer security. > > > > http://docs.oasis-open.org/wss/2004/01/oasis-200401-wss-soap-message-security-1.0 > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Tony Bibbs [mailto:tony@tonybibbs.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 11:09 AM > > > To: cialug@cialug.org > > > Cc: ciapug@cialug.org > > > Subject: Re: [Cialug] Re: [ciapug] XML > > > > > > > > > Anything wrong with using SOAP? If so, what about XMLRPC? > > > > > > Securing the service can be a challenge and it needs to happen at > > > multiple levels. Networking is a good place to start...if > > > you can only > > > allow access to the service from specific hosts. Then there is the > > > transport layer...using SSL is a no brainer and finally, you > > > can embed > > > some sort of userid/password type of thing to go over with > > > the request. > > > > > > I'd personally recommend SOAP (PHP5's SOAP implementation is > > > servicable) > > > and if that won't fly then you can use XMLRPC. PHP5 supports XMLPRC > > > (assuming the appropriate --with-xmlrpc option was given) and should > > > that fail then use PEAR's XMLRPC implementation: > > > http://pear.php.net/package/XML_RPC#results > > > > > > --Tony > > > > > > David Champion wrote: > > > > > > > [crosspostin'] > > > > > > > > Dave J. Hala Jr. wrote [on the PHP list] : > > > > > > > >> Anyone using XML on one of their sites to exchange information with > > > >> other systems? > > > >> > > > >> Anyone sending an "XML query" (wrong terminology, I know) > > > to another > > > >> site, retrieving the data and inserting into their system? > > > >> > > > >> How do you handle the authenitication? What software you use on the > > > >> Linux system? > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> :) Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > I recall Dave Weis mentioned that he'd written a PHP/XML service > > > > recently. > > > > > > > > -dc > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Cialug mailing list > > > > Cialug@cialug.org > > > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Cialug mailing list > > > Cialug@cialug.org > > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -- Open Source Information Systems (OSIS) Dave J. Hala Jr. 641.485.1606 From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 23 19:13:49 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Theron Conrey) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:13:49 +0000 Subject: [Cialug] Stirring the Pot for Installfest Message-ID: <1111605229.819d7ectheron@conrey.org> Does the LUG generally distribute posters etc prior to an event such as thi= s? http://www.conrey.org/installfest.png From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 23 19:17:23 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Theron Conrey) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:17:23 +0000 Subject: [Cialug] Installfest poster flameretardant Message-ID: <1111605443.819d7ectheron@conrey.org> I understand that there are typos, will be corrected when dates, changes lo= gos changed IF poster idea is given a green light. But thank you all in = advance for my grammatical well-being. From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 23 19:19:30 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Theron Conrey) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:19:30 +0000 Subject: [Cialug] Flameretardant for Installfest Poster Message-ID: <1111605570.819d7ectheron@conrey.org> thank you all for your concern for my grammatical well-being, however typos= will be corrected as poster evolves.... :) From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 23 19:37:59 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (admin) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:37:59 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] apache misconfiguration Message-ID: not sure why, but when i made a directory in my html main directory it says Forbidden. i changed the permissions of the folder to 777 just to make sure that wasn't it, still nothing. my httpd.conf is mucked up too i'm sure. i want to get virtual servers to work again on it but no luck yet. i've gone through everything i can think of on apache.org so whatever can be contributed is appreciated. thanks. From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 23 19:44:44 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Jerry Weida) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:44:44 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] apache misconfiguration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40e57b5f050323114421477725@mail.gmail.com> Do you have an index file in the newly created directory. By default, Apache will generate directory indexes (the list of files in the directory displayed in the browser). If you want this turned on, then you will have to add something like: Options +Indexes Otherwise, you probably just need to create an index.html file. On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:37:59 -0600, admin wrote: > not sure why, but when i made a directory in my html main directory it > says Forbidden. i changed the permissions of the folder to 777 just to > make sure that wasn't it, still nothing. > > my httpd.conf is mucked up too i'm sure. i want to get virtual servers to > work again on it but no luck yet. i've gone through everything i can think > of on apache.org so whatever can be contributed is appreciated. > > thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 23 19:46:42 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Theron Conrey) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:46:42 +0000 Subject: [Cialug] apache misconfiguration Message-ID: <1111607202.819d7ectheron@conrey.org> is the dir structure that you are using for virtual servers outside of what= apache thinks is the www path? (i.e. in debian apache by default thinks = that /var/www will contain the root document however I use /whateverdir/w= hateverwebsite) if that's the case then specific permissions = need to be set in the httpd.conf file. Also I've mangled how my Virtual = servers look in the httpd.conf file in the past. NameVirtualHost * ServerName www.conrey.org ServerAlias conrey.org ServerAdmin webmaster@conrey.org DocumentRoot /whatever/dir/path/conrey.org If you'd like you could email your httpd.conf file I'd be happy to help. Theron =20 -----Original Message----- From: "admin" To: cialug@cialug.org Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:37:59 -0600=20 Subject: [Cialug] apache misconfiguration not sure why, but when i made a directory in my html main directory it says Forbidden. i changed the permissions of the folder to 777 just to make sure that wasn't it, still nothing. my httpd.conf is mucked up too i'm sure. i want to get virtual servers to work again on it but no luck yet. i've gone through everything i can think of on apache.org so whatever can be contributed is appreciated. thanks. _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 23 20:13:32 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Tony Bibbs) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:13:32 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Re: [ciapug] XML In-Reply-To: <0205C50D41B7D611AEA50002A537CEC20328EBD9@DES10MS01> References: <0205C50D41B7D611AEA50002A537CEC20328EBD9@DES10MS01> Message-ID: <4241CDEC.7040602@tonybibbs.com> I think what is 'good enough' is really best left to an Information Security Office and/or business requirements. However, you are right, there is information around data-level security that is worth reading. That said, your link no-worky. The requested URL /wss/2004/01/oasis-200401-wss-soap-message-security-1.0 was not found on this server. --Tony Korver, Aaron wrote: > Note though that SSL isn't good enough when talking about SOAP if you > are going to be pushing the webservice out to the world. If you are > going to be staying within a private LAN then SSL is probably > sufficient. Transport layer security is just one layer. The > ws-security specs detail data layer security. > > http://docs.oasis-open.org/wss/2004/01/oasis-200401-wss-soap-message-security-1.0 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tony Bibbs [mailto:tony@tonybibbs.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 11:09 AM > > To: cialug@cialug.org > > Cc: ciapug@cialug.org > > Subject: Re: [Cialug] Re: [ciapug] XML > > > > > > Anything wrong with using SOAP? If so, what about XMLRPC? > > > > Securing the service can be a challenge and it needs to happen at > > multiple levels. Networking is a good place to start...if > > you can only > > allow access to the service from specific hosts. Then there is the > > transport layer...using SSL is a no brainer and finally, you > > can embed > > some sort of userid/password type of thing to go over with > > the request. > > > > I'd personally recommend SOAP (PHP5's SOAP implementation is > > servicable) > > and if that won't fly then you can use XMLRPC. PHP5 supports XMLPRC > > (assuming the appropriate --with-xmlrpc option was given) and should > > that fail then use PEAR's XMLRPC implementation: > > http://pear.php.net/package/XML_RPC#results > > > > --Tony > > > > David Champion wrote: > > > > > [crosspostin'] > > > > > > Dave J. Hala Jr. wrote [on the PHP list] : > > > > > >> Anyone using XML on one of their sites to exchange information with > > >> other systems? > > >> > > >> Anyone sending an "XML query" (wrong terminology, I know) > > to another > > >> site, retrieving the data and inserting into their system? > > >> > > >> How do you handle the authenitication? What software you use on the > > >> Linux system? > > >> > > >> > > >> :) Dave > > > > > > > > > I recall Dave Weis mentioned that he'd written a PHP/XML service > > > recently. > > > > > > -dc > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Cialug mailing list > > > Cialug@cialug.org > > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug@cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 24 19:24:42 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:24:42 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Promotion Idea Message-ID: <424313FA.5050301@visionary.com> We've talked about doing something like this in the past... http://www.dmregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050324/BUSINESS04/503240393/1029 From the article, they're using dotnetnuke - which is similar to phpNuke. Of course, certain folks on this list would probably reccommend geeklog... cialug.org has done hosting for non-profit groups in the past, I don't think it would be a problem for us to do this. Of course, we could also host elsewhere. What do you guys think about this. Any ideas for organizations we could do web sites for? -dc From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 24 21:51:02 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Claus) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:51:02 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Promotion Idea In-Reply-To: <424313FA.5050301@visionary.com> References: <424313FA.5050301@visionary.com> Message-ID: <42433646.7010600@gmx.net> On 3/24/2005 1:24 PM, David Champion wrote: > We've talked about doing something like this in the past... > > http://www.dmregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050324/BUSINESS04/503240393/1029 > > From the article, they're using dotnetnuke - which is similar to > phpNuke. Of course, certain folks on this list would probably reccommend > geeklog... > > cialug.org has done hosting for non-profit groups in the past, I don't > think it would be a problem for us to do this. Of course, we could also > host elsewhere. > > What do you guys think about this. Any ideas for organizations we could > do web sites for? > > -dc I'm on the board and technology committee of an non-profit organization here in Ames. So I can provide a little feedback from the other side if desired. The approach of the Iowa .NET user group is pretty impressive. From the article it looks like they aren't just creating a fancy looking web page but also address the issue of keeping the site updated by non-tech people, something that's very important. Also providing the organization with contact to low cost hosting is also a nice and useful service to non-profit organizations. Another thing that's valuable to the non-profit is to be able to approach the group in the future in case a new feature is desired to be added to the site. I'm not sure if they provide that or not. One thing that's missing though is email. Non-profits also are in the need for multiple email accounts with their domain name. Along with that virus and some spam filtering would be useful. Often the need to get to the email from multiple places is needed. Mailing lists would be quite useful as well. If you are interested in doing a project like that we could talk about it. Also if you are living in Story County and like to volunteer otherwise check out our site, especially the "Local Volunteer Opportunities" link at http://www.volunteerstorycounty.org/ . You also can volunteer by becoming part of one of our committees or participate in a disaster response training.. Sorry, just couldn't stop myself. :) Claus From cialug@cialug.org Fri Mar 25 10:28:23 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (D. Joe Anderson) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 04:28:23 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Stirring the Pot for Installfest In-Reply-To: <1111605229.819d7ectheron@conrey.org> References: <1111605229.819d7ectheron@conrey.org> Message-ID: <20050325102823.GB15410@etrumeus.com> On Wed, Mar 23, 2005 at 07:13:49PM +0000, Theron Conrey wrote: > Does the LUG generally distribute posters etc prior to an event such as this? > > http://www.conrey.org/installfest.png You mean, like this? http://dui.debian.net/hardcopy/graphics/poster/cialug/ One pet-peeve of mine when it comes to the posting of material like this is the frequent lack of posting of editable copies. That way, every poster-maker ends up starting from scratch, and the poster ends up fielding piddly suggestions for improvement (aka spelling flames ;-) instead of being able to say "please make corrections and improvements," sort of the LUG-administrative equivalent of "send patches". Lack of editable copies, I suppose, has its good points, from the perspective of getting some variety in the design, which might be considered keeping it "fresh" even if its an accidental or otherwise roundabout way of approaching that goal. Only slightly less frustrating is when someone posts an ostensibly editable copy only in the format of a proprietary software package, rather than in, say, OpenOffice or (for those hardcore oldschoolers out there) TeX. Heh. At least you didn't post it as a .gif. ;-) -- D. Joe Anderson http://www.etrumeus.com/~deejoe "DRM [...] is to copyright law as a machine gun on a motion detector is to real estate law" -- Don Marti From cialug@cialug.org Fri Mar 25 17:07:00 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (James Shoemaker) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:07:00 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] VPN In-Reply-To: <25225AFA-4E3B-11D9-927D-000A95B9792E@tcpconsulting.com> References: <25225AFA-4E3B-11D9-927D-000A95B9792E@tcpconsulting.com> Message-ID: <42444534.8010206@dhlake.com> What do people recommend for free VPN solutions when the firewall/server is linux based and most of the clients will be windows based? James From cialug@cialug.org Fri Mar 25 17:16:11 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Paul Gray) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:16:11 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] VPN In-Reply-To: <42444534.8010206@dhlake.com> References: <25225AFA-4E3B-11D9-927D-000A95B9792E@tcpconsulting.com> <42444534.8010206@dhlake.com> Message-ID: <20050325171611.GD19378@cs.uni.edu> --IMjqdzrDRly81ofr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Mar 25, 2005 at 11:07:00AM -0600, James Shoemaker wrote: > What do people recommend for free VPN solutions when the=20 > firewall/server is linux based and most of the clients will be windows=20 > based? IPSEC (OpenSwan) --=20 Paul Gray -o) 323 Wright Hall /\\ University of Northern Iowa _\_V Message void if penguin violated ... Don't mess with the penguin --IMjqdzrDRly81ofr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCREdbOH45TZW7mh4RAsLLAKDQdOb+Ve0RLRD5pa9RmTNrPlkg/ACdFVmP XdGqSdJpscEVflsrfxTieUs= =PfCo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --IMjqdzrDRly81ofr-- From cialug@cialug.org Fri Mar 25 17:13:58 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:13:58 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] VPN Message-ID: Doesn't OpenVPN have a windows networking client? You didn't specify SSL or IPSEC - maybe you don't care. -----Original Message----- From: James Shoemaker [mailto:james@dhlake.com] Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 11:07 AM To: cialug@cialug.org Subject: [Cialug] VPN What do people recommend for free VPN solutions when the firewall/server is linux based and most of the clients will be windows based? James _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Fri Mar 25 17:54:01 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Jonathan Bailey) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:54:01 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] VPN In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42445039.9080503@code0.net> What about poptop? Works with the built in windows client... Jon Nathan C. Smith wrote: >Doesn't OpenVPN have a windows networking client? You didn't specify SSL or >IPSEC - maybe you don't care. > >-----Original Message----- >From: James Shoemaker [mailto:james@dhlake.com] >Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 11:07 AM >To: cialug@cialug.org >Subject: [Cialug] VPN > > > > What do people recommend for free VPN solutions when the >firewall/server is linux based and most of the clients will be windows >based? > >James >_______________________________________________ >Cialug mailing list >Cialug@cialug.org >http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >_______________________________________________ >Cialug mailing list >Cialug@cialug.org >http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > From cialug@cialug.org Fri Mar 25 17:58:20 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Dave Weis) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:58:20 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Cialug] VPN In-Reply-To: <42445039.9080503@code0.net> References: <42445039.9080503@code0.net> Message-ID: I've used it but it doesn't seem to use the installed version of ppp on the machines I've tried and the main problem was that it would authenticate anything you typed for username and password without verifying it. dave On Fri, 25 Mar 2005, Jonathan Bailey wrote: > What about poptop? Works with the built in windows client... > > > Jon > > > Nathan C. Smith wrote: > >> Doesn't OpenVPN have a windows networking client? You didn't specify SSL >> or >> IPSEC - maybe you don't care. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: James Shoemaker [mailto:james@dhlake.com] Sent: Friday, March 25, >> 2005 11:07 AM >> To: cialug@cialug.org >> Subject: [Cialug] VPN >> >> >> >> What do people recommend for free VPN solutions when the >> firewall/server is linux based and most of the clients will be windows >> based? >> >> James >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -- Dave Weis "I believe there are more instances of the abridgment djweis@sjdjweis.com of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations."- James Madison From cialug@cialug.org Fri Mar 25 19:07:05 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Theron Conrey) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:07:05 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Stirring the Pot for Installfest In-Reply-To: <20050325102823.GB15410@etrumeus.com> References: <1111605229.819d7ectheron@conrey.org> <20050325102823.GB15410@etrumeus.com> Message-ID: <42446159.3030301@conrey.org> D. Joe Anderson wrote: >On Wed, Mar 23, 2005 at 07:13:49PM +0000, Theron Conrey wrote: > > >>Does the LUG generally distribute posters etc prior to an event such as this? >> >>http://www.conrey.org/installfest.png >> >> > >You mean, like this? > >http://dui.debian.net/hardcopy/graphics/poster/cialug/ > >One pet-peeve of mine when it comes to the posting of material >like this is the frequent lack of posting of editable copies. >That way, every poster-maker ends up starting from scratch, and >the poster ends up fielding piddly suggestions for improvement >(aka spelling flames ;-) instead of being able to say "please >make corrections and improvements," sort of the >LUG-administrative equivalent of "send patches". > >Lack of editable copies, I suppose, has its good points, from >the perspective of getting some variety in the design, which >might be considered keeping it "fresh" even if its an accidental >or otherwise roundabout way of approaching that goal. > >Only slightly less frustrating is when someone posts an >ostensibly editable copy only in the format of a proprietary >software package, rather than in, say, OpenOffice or (for those >hardcore oldschoolers out there) TeX. > >Heh. At least you didn't post it as a .gif. ;-) > > Lack of editable copies I concur is a bad thing if multiple folks are trying to work on something. However in this scenario, I believe that the frustration is slightly off target and I hope that we adjust it, or I'll be "set ablaze" in the process. I'm unaware as to whom I would be submitting my editable copies to etc...... As far as viewing them on the web for input, or as for "stirring the pot" a file posted in a format that is a free and patent free format, such as png, that is also capable of being rendered correctly in a web browser without plugins should suffice. (I made the assumtion that some of the LUG would want to view the poster without opening an additional app other than a browser, and beyond that it not require any additional applications) Making corrections and improvements assumes that there is person to whom the corrections / improvements would be submitted to, even if it's the creator. Making the furthur assumption that I was collecting improvements / corrections (which by the way I'd be happy to do) would mean that I would need to know to whom I was providing a final copy of an image/poster/thingamahgig to. If someone (is that you Mr. Anderson?) is collecting this type of thing, I would gladly submit these types of things. Good point however as to not at least linking to a downloadable editable version. http://www.conrey.org/installfest.xcf.gz Confused abit however as to your comment to OpenOffice and Tex however. I am using the GIMP for image editing, and manipulation. As I read the GIMP falls under the GPL and that the xcf file format is it's native file format. So does saving a GIMP file as a .png (which is a free and patent free extension) makes it a proprietary file? Even though I can still edit it in the GIMP? *nods to gif reference Theron From cialug@cialug.org Fri Mar 25 19:23:34 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Tom Pohl) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:23:34 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Stirring the Pot for Installfest In-Reply-To: <42446159.3030301@conrey.org> References: <1111605229.819d7ectheron@conrey.org> <20050325102823.GB15410@etrumeus.com> <42446159.3030301@conrey.org> Message-ID: <1150eca45d0ecae898d783c4980c2c52@tcpconsulting.com> Correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't think that we had to worry about gif's lzh compression any longer because the patent expired! http://www.unisys.com/about__unisys/lzw -Tom On Mar 25, 2005, at 1:07 PM, Theron Conrey wrote: > D. Joe Anderson wrote: > >> Heh. At least you didn't post it as a .gif. ;-) >> > *nods to gif reference From cialug@cialug.org Fri Mar 25 20:38:45 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (D. Joe Anderson) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:38:45 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Stirring the Pot for Installfest In-Reply-To: <42446159.3030301@conrey.org> References: <1111605229.819d7ectheron@conrey.org> <20050325102823.GB15410@etrumeus.com> <42446159.3030301@conrey.org> Message-ID: <20050325203845.GE15410@etrumeus.com> On Fri, Mar 25, 2005 at 01:07:05PM -0600, Theron Conrey wrote: > D. Joe Anderson wrote: > > >On Wed, Mar 23, 2005 at 07:13:49PM +0000, Theron Conrey wrote: > > > > > >>Does the LUG generally distribute posters etc prior to an event such as > >>this? > >> > >>http://www.conrey.org/installfest.png > >You mean, like this? > > > >http://dui.debian.net/hardcopy/graphics/poster/cialug/ > > > >One pet-peeve of mine when it comes to the posting of material > >like this is the frequent lack of posting of editable copies. OK. First off: Thanks for working on a poster. In particular, the text on my posters tends to be whatever font is handy, without any of the kind of sprucing up you've done. > Lack of editable copies I concur is a bad thing if multiple folks are > trying to work on something. How do you know someone else doesn't want to work on it? If you don't make it available, they have to ask for it, and that's a barrier to their participation. A needless one, IMO, given how easy it is to make the editable version available, and one for which free software users in particular probably have less patience. > However in this scenario, I believe that the frustration is > slightly off target and I hope that we adjust it, or I'll be > "set ablaze" in the process. Let me put it this way--I'm not losing any sleep over it, and probably won't try to set you on fire or anything (yet ;-). > I'm unaware as to whom I would be submitting my editable copies to > etc...... You don't submit them *to* anyone. You put it on your web page or ftp server or whatever, right alongside the other version. I know this isn't as hard a concept as you're making it out to be because that's exactly what you've done below. > As far as viewing them on the web for input, or as for > "stirring the pot" a file posted in a format that is a free and patent > free format, such as png, that is also capable of being rendered > correctly in a web browser without plugins should suffice. (I made the > assumtion that some of the LUG would want to view the poster without > opening an additional app other than a browser, and beyond that it not > require any additional applications) Yeah. I've got no problem with that at all. You done good. > Making corrections and improvements assumes that there is person to whom > the corrections / improvements would be submitted to, even if it's the > creator. Well, I guess that makes sense, if one is hung up on who gets recognized as the creator. It's a fair point. <*insert long drawn out reputation economics exposition*> > Making the furthur assumption that I was collecting > improvements / corrections (which by the way I'd be happy to do) would > mean that I would need to know to whom I was providing a final copy of > an image/poster/thingamahgig to. Again, what's wrong with just putting it on a server and sending the link to the list? > If someone (is that you Mr. Anderson?) is collecting this type of thing, > I would gladly submit these types of things. I do collect them, from time to time, when I'm paying attention and have the time etc etc. I also have put together a whole pile of them that incorporate elements from other people, under the parent 'hardcopy' directory of the link I gave. It's a real mess, full of lots and lots of versions, most variations on several different themes. > Good point however as to not at least linking to a > downloadable editable version. Aha. finally :-) > http://www.conrey.org/installfest.xcf.gz > > Confused abit however as to your comment to OpenOffice and Tex however. That wasn't meant to be an exhaustive list. Could have said sodipodi or scribus or whatever that new thing is that I heard about last week or so but the name of which I've forgotten, etc. > I am using the GIMP for image editing, and manipulation. info>As I read the GIMP falls under the GPL and that the xcf file format > is it's native file format. So does saving a GIMP > file as a .png (which is a free and patent free extension) makes it a > proprietary file? Even though I can still edit it in the GIMP? Yeah. The GIMP is cool. It's easier to see what you're using, and to know if one wants to work towards creating a derivative of the raw file or not when one can see the filename extension in a URL ;-) > *nods to gif reference Cheers, -- D. Joe Anderson http://www.etrumeus.com/~deejoe "DRM [...] is to copyright law as a machine gun on a motion detector is to real estate law" -- Don Marti From cialug@cialug.org Fri Mar 25 20:42:23 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (D. Joe Anderson) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:42:23 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] format patents, was Re: Stirring the Pot for Installfest In-Reply-To: <1150eca45d0ecae898d783c4980c2c52@tcpconsulting.com> References: <1111605229.819d7ectheron@conrey.org> <20050325102823.GB15410@etrumeus.com> <42446159.3030301@conrey.org> <1150eca45d0ecae898d783c4980c2c52@tcpconsulting.com> Message-ID: <20050325204223.GF15410@etrumeus.com> On Fri, Mar 25, 2005 at 01:23:34PM -0600, Tom Pohl wrote: > On Mar 25, 2005, at 1:07 PM, Theron Conrey wrote: > > >D. Joe Anderson wrote: > > > >>Heh. At least you didn't post it as a .gif. ;-) > >> > >*nods to gif reference > Correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't think that we had to worry about > gif's lzh compression any longer because the patent expired! > > http://www.unisys.com/about__unisys/lzw Right you are. Good call. http://burnallgifs.org/archives/ -- D. Joe Anderson http://www.etrumeus.com/~deejoe "DRM [...] is to copyright law as a machine gun on a motion detector is to real estate law" -- Don Marti From cialug@cialug.org Fri Mar 25 21:29:56 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Barry Von Ahsen) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:29:56 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] SSL Passphrase + apache Message-ID: <424482D4.9020803@vonahsen.com> Is there any advantage to having a SSL passphrase? I can't think of one, and I've found the disadvantage (on Debian, at least) that on reboot, apache will wait (>2 days) for the passphrase, and not complete the init on other processes. On this particular server, I could ssh, and it would authenticate, but then show a message that "the init process has not completed" then exit. -barry From cialug@cialug.org Fri Mar 25 22:08:50 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 16:08:50 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] SSL Passphrase + apache Message-ID: If someone compromises your system they can steal the key, er that's not quite what I mean. You have to weigh the risk v. the convenience. So far, I've chosen convenience. ;-) Obviously you can disable httpd at init and start in later when you can enter the pass phrase. -----Original Message----- From: Barry Von Ahsen [mailto:barry@vonahsen.com] Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 3:30 PM To: cialug@cialug.org Subject: [Cialug] SSL Passphrase + apache Is there any advantage to having a SSL passphrase? I can't think of one, and I've found the disadvantage (on Debian, at least) that on reboot, apache will wait (>2 days) for the passphrase, and not complete the init on other processes. On this particular server, I could ssh, and it would authenticate, but then show a message that "the init process has not completed" then exit. -barry _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Fri Mar 25 22:50:03 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Barry Von Ahsen) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 16:50:03 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] SSL Passphrase + apache In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4244959B.7050806@vonahsen.com> That's about what I figured I've got it disabled at the moment, and I'll continue to weigh the risk thanks, -barry Nathan C. Smith wrote: > If someone compromises your system they can steal the key, er that's not > quite what I mean. > > You have to weigh the risk v. the convenience. So far, I've chosen > convenience. ;-) > Obviously you can disable httpd at init and start in later when you can > enter the pass phrase. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barry Von Ahsen [mailto:barry@vonahsen.com] > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 3:30 PM > To: cialug@cialug.org > Subject: [Cialug] SSL Passphrase + apache > > > > Is there any advantage to having a SSL passphrase? I can't think of > one, and I've found the disadvantage (on Debian, at least) that on > reboot, apache will wait (>2 days) for the passphrase, and not complete > the init on other processes. On this particular server, I could ssh, > and it would authenticate, but then show a message that "the init > process has not completed" then exit. > > -barry > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Sat Mar 26 18:37:22 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (tony geerts) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 10:37:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Cialug] SSL Passphrase + apache In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050326183722.15091.qmail@web20429.mail.yahoo.com> I would have the default startup be a non-ssl startup. Like this(ymmv): apachectl start That way the webserver and the box start without a hang. Then you can restart with ssl at your convenience apachectl stop apachectl startssl tony geerts --- Barry Von Ahsen wrote: > Is there any advantage to having a SSL passphrase? > I can't think of > one, and I've found the disadvantage (on Debian, at > least) that on > reboot, apache will wait (>2 days) for the > passphrase, and not complete > the init on other processes. On this particular > server, I could ssh, > and it would authenticate, but then show a message > that "the init > process has not completed" then exit. > > -barry > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From cialug@cialug.org Sun Mar 27 00:39:49 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Michael Osten) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 18:39:49 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] ipcop In-Reply-To: <1111464745.81b0974theron@conrey.org> References: <1111464745.81b0974theron@conrey.org> Message-ID: <9b07390663887fce99ac4f2f9d208be7@bleepyou.com> On Mar 21, 2005, at 10:12 PM, Theron Conrey wrote: > have not tried IPCOP, however Smoothwall has similar features and > seems a bit more robust and flushed out. I run it in our office and > have great uptime and reliability. IPCop is similar because it is a direct fork of smoothwall, which would imply that there was/is something wrong with the smoothwall project. I would like to stress the importance of looking into the history of Smoothwall before supporting them. -- Michael Osten http://www.bleepyou.com/~mosten/pgp.txt From cialug@cialug.org Sun Mar 27 19:41:09 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (D. Joe Anderson) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:41:09 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] inkscape, was Stirring the Pot for Installfest In-Reply-To: <20050325203845.GE15410@etrumeus.com> References: <1111605229.819d7ectheron@conrey.org> <20050325102823.GB15410@etrumeus.com> <42446159.3030301@conrey.org> <20050325203845.GE15410@etrumeus.com> Message-ID: <20050327194108.GH9968@etrumeus.com> On Fri, Mar 25, 2005 at 02:38:45PM -0600, D. Joe Anderson wrote: > On Fri, Mar 25, 2005 at 01:07:05PM -0600, Theron Conrey wrote: > > http://www.conrey.org/installfest.xcf.gz > > > > Confused abit however as to your comment to OpenOffice and Tex however. > > That wasn't meant to be an exhaustive list. Could have said > sodipodi or scribus or whatever that new thing is that I heard > about last week or so but the name of which I've forgotten, etc. The thing whose name I'd forgotten is "inkscape," which is a vector drawing program. I'm updating one of my Debian sarge installs now so I can install it and give it a whirl. > > I am using the GIMP for image editing, and manipulation. -- D. Joe Anderson http://www.etrumeus.com/~deejoe "DRM [...] is to copyright law as a machine gun on a motion detector is to real estate law" -- Don Marti From cialug@cialug.org Mon Mar 28 14:54:01 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Claus) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:54:01 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] ipcop In-Reply-To: <9b07390663887fce99ac4f2f9d208be7@bleepyou.com> References: <1111464745.81b0974theron@conrey.org> <9b07390663887fce99ac4f2f9d208be7@bleepyou.com> Message-ID: <42481A89.4000606@gmx.net> > IPCop is similar because it is a direct fork of smoothwall, which would > imply that there was/is something wrong with the smoothwall project. I > would like to stress the importance of looking into the history of > Smoothwall before supporting them. Wow, harsh statement. "OpenBSD is similar because it is a direct fork of NetBSD, which would imply that there was/is something wrong with the NetBSD project." While some OpenBSD people do agree with that I don't think that statement is appropriate. I read the same out of the IPCop/Smoothwall statement. This game can be played with many other forks. No reason was given why Smoothwall has/had something wrong with it. In fact it sounds like the poster doesn't know much about Smoothwall, just like me - I don't know either software. With that the statement above not only has no value but it's also misleading. Claus From cialug@cialug.org Mon Mar 28 16:37:18 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Allen Kiddoo) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 10:37:18 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] ipcop In-Reply-To: <42481A89.4000606@gmx.net> References: <1111464745.81b0974theron@conrey.org> <9b07390663887fce99ac4f2f9d208be7@bleepyou.com> <42481A89.4000606@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20050328163435.M76019@52761.com> AND- Since Eve was a spinoff of Adam, there must be something wrong with Adam? Allen ---------- Original Message ----------- From: Claus To: cialug@cialug.org Sent: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:54:01 -0600 Subject: Re: [Cialug] ipcop > > IPCop is similar because it is a direct fork of smoothwall, which would > > imply that there was/is something wrong with the smoothwall project. I > > would like to stress the importance of looking into the history of > > Smoothwall before supporting them. > > Wow, harsh statement. "OpenBSD is similar because it is a direct > fork of NetBSD, which would imply that there was/is something wrong > with the NetBSD project." While some OpenBSD people do agree with > that I don't think that statement is appropriate. I read the same > out of the IPCop/Smoothwall statement. This game can be played with > many other forks. No reason was given why Smoothwall has/had > something wrong with it. In fact it sounds like the poster doesn't > know much about Smoothwall, just like me - I don't know either > software. With that the statement above not only has no value but > it's also misleading. > > Claus > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug ------- End of Original Message ------- From cialug@cialug.org Mon Mar 28 18:06:13 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:06:13 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Stirring the Pot for Installfest In-Reply-To: <1111605229.819d7ectheron@conrey.org> References: <1111605229.819d7ectheron@conrey.org> Message-ID: <42484795.6050707@visionary.com> Theron Conrey wrote: > Does the LUG generally distribute posters etc prior to an event such as this? > > http://www.conrey.org/installfest.png > Theron, thanks for submitting your poster concept... I like it. Yes we do usually distribute posters to promote the Installfests. In the past we've had pretty good success with them. The most recent Installfest we did last fall didn't get very well promoted, and we had poor attendance. -dc From cialug@cialug.org Mon Mar 28 20:01:30 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Lee) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 14:01:30 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: ipcop In-Reply-To: <20050328163435.M76019@52761.com> Message-ID: If you asked Eve, then of course there was something wrong with Adam. I think about every married guy has had that little discussion! -----Original Message----- From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On Behalf Of Allen Kiddoo Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 10:37 AM To: cialug@cialug.org Subject: Re: [Cialug] ipcop AND- Since Eve was a spinoff of Adam, there must be something wrong with Adam? Allen ---------- Original Message ----------- From: Claus To: cialug@cialug.org Sent: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:54:01 -0600 Subject: Re: [Cialug] ipcop > > IPCop is similar because it is a direct fork of smoothwall, which would > > imply that there was/is something wrong with the smoothwall project. I > > would like to stress the importance of looking into the history of > > Smoothwall before supporting them. > > Wow, harsh statement. "OpenBSD is similar because it is a direct > fork of NetBSD, which would imply that there was/is something wrong > with the NetBSD project." While some OpenBSD people do agree with > that I don't think that statement is appropriate. I read the same > out of the IPCop/Smoothwall statement. This game can be played with > many other forks. No reason was given why Smoothwall has/had > something wrong with it. In fact it sounds like the poster doesn't > know much about Smoothwall, just like me - I don't know either > software. With that the statement above not only has no value but > it's also misleading. > > Claus > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug ------- End of Original Message ------- _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 29 03:11:20 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Michael Osten) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:11:20 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] ipcop In-Reply-To: <42481A89.4000606@gmx.net> References: <1111464745.81b0974theron@conrey.org> <9b07390663887fce99ac4f2f9d208be7@bleepyou.com> <42481A89.4000606@gmx.net> Message-ID: <4af1f88c491f02874456e786480b1563@bleepyou.com> On Mar 28, 2005, at 8:54 AM, Claus wrote: >> IPCop is similar because it is a direct fork of smoothwall, which >> would imply that there was/is something wrong with the smoothwall >> project. I would like to stress the importance of looking into the >> history of Smoothwall before supporting them. > > Wow, harsh statement. "OpenBSD is similar because it is a direct fork > of NetBSD, which would imply that there was/is something wrong with > the NetBSD project." While some OpenBSD people do agree with that I > don't think that statement is appropriate. I read the same out of the > IPCop/Smoothwall statement. This game can be played with many other > forks. No reason was given why Smoothwall has/had something wrong > with it. In fact it sounds like the poster doesn't know much about > Smoothwall, just like me - I don't know either software. With that > the statement above not only has no value but it's also misleading. I meant that there in my opinion there *is* something wrong with the Smoothwall project. I simply wanted to suggest that the user could do his own research, as I would suggest that people should do before supporting any project. -- Michael Osten http://www.bleepyou.com/~mosten/pgp.txt From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 29 14:16:02 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Theron Conrey) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:16:02 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Stirring the Pot for Installfest In-Reply-To: <42484795.6050707@visionary.com> References: <1111605229.819d7ectheron@conrey.org> <42484795.6050707@visionary.com> Message-ID: <42496322.8000400@conrey.org> David Champion wrote: > Theron Conrey wrote: > >> Does the LUG generally distribute posters etc prior to an event such >> as this? >> >> http://www.conrey.org/installfest.png >> > > Theron, thanks for submitting your poster concept... I like it. > > Yes we do usually distribute posters to promote the Installfests. In > the past we've had pretty good success with them. The most recent > Installfest we did last fall didn't get very well promoted, and we had > poor attendance. > > -dc > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > Thanks, I think that your comments are important in regards to the last installfest. I'd like to help whomever it is that is in charge for installfest (Barry can you hear me?) this year in getting together what is really going to draw folks to an installfest. First off, IMO we don't need to dilude the reason that people that don't know anything about GNU/Linux, might come, such as distro logos catchy statements etc. These types of things mean nothing to say............my dad. My dad, however, does care about malware, viruses, and other associated nasties that plague his windows computer. So to get technically savy people to commit to coming, even just to visit, we've got to pique thier curiosity, not shower them with logos. (yes I suppose that includes even the microsofties). (Phew that was first?!?!) Secondly, for the student or generally speaking geeky type guy who is ready to dump windows but dosen't know where to start, We don't want to say anything on our poster that he or she may not understand i.e. makes us sound pompous, i.e. scares him or her away. Of course, all of this implies that there will be enough people in the LUG willing to assist. Thirdly and to end this tirade with a challenge There need to be ONE poster that the LUG is using for the event, (a poster yet to be designed), so as to give us, the appearance at least, of being a cohisive group. Theron Where to distribute posters? Add to the list: Grandview Campus Drake DMACC (all campuses) Skywalks DM Public High Schools All All local TV and radio channels (we don't need money for advertising, Linux is big enough that it MAY spark a freebie. This happened when I was living in NJ for a LUG there....) CoffeeHouses Downtown Gatherings Churches From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 29 14:23:30 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Dave J. Hala Jr.) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:23:30 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Stirring the Pot for Installfest In-Reply-To: <42496322.8000400@conrey.org> References: <1111605229.819d7ectheron@conrey.org> <42484795.6050707@visionary.com> <42496322.8000400@conrey.org> Message-ID: <1112106210.25218.682.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com> Why not make two posters? One for mom and pop and one for the geeks? On Tue, 2005-03-29 at 08:16, Theron Conrey wrote: > David Champion wrote: > > > Theron Conrey wrote: > > > >> Does the LUG generally distribute posters etc prior to an event such > >> as this? > >> > >> http://www.conrey.org/installfest.png > >> > > > > Theron, thanks for submitting your poster concept... I like it. > > > > Yes we do usually distribute posters to promote the Installfests. In > > the past we've had pretty good success with them. The most recent > > Installfest we did last fall didn't get very well promoted, and we had > > poor attendance. > > > > -dc > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug@cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > > > Thanks, > I think that your comments are important in regards to the last > installfest. I'd like to help whomever it is that is in charge for > installfest (Barry can you hear me?) this year in getting together what > is really going to draw folks to an installfest. First off, IMO we > don't need to dilude the reason that people that don't know anything > about GNU/Linux, might come, such as distro logos catchy statements > etc. These types of things mean nothing to say............my dad. My > dad, however, does care about malware, viruses, and other associated > nasties that plague his windows computer. So to get technically savy > people to commit to coming, even just to visit, we've got to pique thier > curiosity, not shower them with logos. (yes I suppose that includes even > the microsofties). (Phew that was first?!?!) > Secondly, for the student or generally speaking geeky type guy who is > ready to dump windows but dosen't know where to start, We don't want to > say anything on our poster that he or she may not understand i.e. makes > us sound pompous, i.e. scares him or her away. > Of course, all of this implies that there will be enough people in the > LUG willing to assist. > Thirdly and to end this tirade with a challenge There need to be ONE > poster that the LUG is using for the event, (a poster yet to be > designed), so as to give us, the appearance at least, of being a > cohisive group. > > > Theron > > > Where to distribute posters? > Add to the list: > > Grandview Campus > Drake > DMACC (all campuses) > Skywalks > DM Public High Schools All > All local TV and radio channels (we don't need money for advertising, > Linux is big enough that it MAY spark a freebie. This happened when I > was living in NJ for a LUG there....) > CoffeeHouses > Downtown Gatherings > Churches > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -- Open Source Information Systems (OSIS) Dave J. Hala Jr. 641.485.1606 From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 29 14:41:22 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Theron Conrey) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:41:22 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Stirring the Pot for Installfest In-Reply-To: <1112106210.25218.682.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com> References: <1111605229.819d7ectheron@conrey.org> <42484795.6050707@visionary.com> <42496322.8000400@conrey.org> <1112106210.25218.682.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com> Message-ID: <42496912.7080207@conrey.org> Dave J. Hala Jr. wrote: >Why not make two posters? One for mom and pop and one for the geeks? > > > >On Tue, 2005-03-29 at 08:16, Theron Conrey wrote: > > >>David Champion wrote: >> >> >> >>>Theron Conrey wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Does the LUG generally distribute posters etc prior to an event such >>>>as this? >>>> >>>>http://www.conrey.org/installfest.png >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Theron, thanks for submitting your poster concept... I like it. >>> >>>Yes we do usually distribute posters to promote the Installfests. In >>>the past we've had pretty good success with them. The most recent >>>Installfest we did last fall didn't get very well promoted, and we had >>>poor attendance. >>> >>>-dc >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Cialug mailing list >>>Cialug@cialug.org >>>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Thanks, >>I think that your comments are important in regards to the last >>installfest. I'd like to help whomever it is that is in charge for >>installfest (Barry can you hear me?) this year in getting together what >>is really going to draw folks to an installfest. First off, IMO we >>don't need to dilude the reason that people that don't know anything >>about GNU/Linux, might come, such as distro logos catchy statements >>etc. These types of things mean nothing to say............my dad. My >>dad, however, does care about malware, viruses, and other associated >>nasties that plague his windows computer. So to get technically savy >>people to commit to coming, even just to visit, we've got to pique thier >>curiosity, not shower them with logos. (yes I suppose that includes even >>the microsofties). (Phew that was first?!?!) >>Secondly, for the student or generally speaking geeky type guy who is >>ready to dump windows but dosen't know where to start, We don't want to >>say anything on our poster that he or she may not understand i.e. makes >>us sound pompous, i.e. scares him or her away. >>Of course, all of this implies that there will be enough people in the >>LUG willing to assist. >>Thirdly and to end this tirade with a challenge There need to be ONE >>poster that the LUG is using for the event, (a poster yet to be >>designed), so as to give us, the appearance at least, of being a >>cohisive group. >> >> >>Theron >> >> >>Where to distribute posters? >>Add to the list: >> >>Grandview Campus >>Drake >>DMACC (all campuses) >>Skywalks >>DM Public High Schools All >>All local TV and radio channels (we don't need money for advertising, >>Linux is big enough that it MAY spark a freebie. This happened when I >>was living in NJ for a LUG there....) >>CoffeeHouses >>Downtown Gatherings >>Churches >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Cialug mailing list >>Cialug@cialug.org >>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> >> Not a bad Idea, the issue becomes one of where to distribute. If I'm a geek and I see an Installfest poster, curiousity piqued. However if I'm mom and pop and I see a geek poster, no way. The idea is to create one poster, that can be distibuted EVERYWHERE, and for reasons stated above. Theron From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 29 16:49:40 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Lee) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 10:49:40 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Stirring the Pot for Installfest In-Reply-To: <42496912.7080207@conrey.org> Message-ID: I'm certainly no advertising guy and this may have already been discussed. But if I may suggest a strategy that works very well. When advertising an event you generally recruit partners who stand to gain from your event. Has anyone ever approached CompUSA, Best Buy etc. With a little sponsorship or co-advertising? CompUSA in paticular seems receptive to this sort of thing. -----Original Message----- From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On Behalf Of Theron Conrey Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 8:41 AM To: cialug@cialug.org Subject: Re: [Cialug] Stirring the Pot for Installfest Dave J. Hala Jr. wrote: >Why not make two posters? One for mom and pop and one for the geeks? > > > >On Tue, 2005-03-29 at 08:16, Theron Conrey wrote: > > >>David Champion wrote: >> >> >> >>>Theron Conrey wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Does the LUG generally distribute posters etc prior to an event such >>>>as this? >>>> >>>>http://www.conrey.org/installfest.png >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Theron, thanks for submitting your poster concept... I like it. >>> >>>Yes we do usually distribute posters to promote the Installfests. In >>>the past we've had pretty good success with them. The most recent >>>Installfest we did last fall didn't get very well promoted, and we had >>>poor attendance. >>> >>>-dc >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Cialug mailing list >>>Cialug@cialug.org >>>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Thanks, >>I think that your comments are important in regards to the last >>installfest. I'd like to help whomever it is that is in charge for >>installfest (Barry can you hear me?) this year in getting together what >>is really going to draw folks to an installfest. First off, IMO we >>don't need to dilude the reason that people that don't know anything >>about GNU/Linux, might come, such as distro logos catchy statements >>etc. These types of things mean nothing to say............my dad. My >>dad, however, does care about malware, viruses, and other associated >>nasties that plague his windows computer. So to get technically savy >>people to commit to coming, even just to visit, we've got to pique thier >>curiosity, not shower them with logos. (yes I suppose that includes even >>the microsofties). (Phew that was first?!?!) >>Secondly, for the student or generally speaking geeky type guy who is >>ready to dump windows but dosen't know where to start, We don't want to >>say anything on our poster that he or she may not understand i.e. makes >>us sound pompous, i.e. scares him or her away. >>Of course, all of this implies that there will be enough people in the >>LUG willing to assist. >>Thirdly and to end this tirade with a challenge There need to be ONE >>poster that the LUG is using for the event, (a poster yet to be >>designed), so as to give us, the appearance at least, of being a >>cohisive group. >> >> >>Theron >> >> >>Where to distribute posters? >>Add to the list: >> >>Grandview Campus >>Drake >>DMACC (all campuses) >>Skywalks >>DM Public High Schools All >>All local TV and radio channels (we don't need money for advertising, >>Linux is big enough that it MAY spark a freebie. This happened when I >>was living in NJ for a LUG there....) >>CoffeeHouses >>Downtown Gatherings >>Churches >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Cialug mailing list >>Cialug@cialug.org >>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> >> Not a bad Idea, the issue becomes one of where to distribute. If I'm a geek and I see an Installfest poster, curiousity piqued. However if I'm mom and pop and I see a geek poster, no way. The idea is to create one poster, that can be distibuted EVERYWHERE, and for reasons stated above. Theron _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cialug@cialug.org Tue Mar 29 17:09:34 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:09:34 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] Stirring the Pot for Installfest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42498BCE.9060707@visionary.com> Lee wrote: > I'm certainly no advertising guy and this may have already been discussed. > But if I may suggest a strategy that works very well. When advertising an > event you generally recruit partners who stand to gain from your event. Has > anyone ever approached CompUSA, Best Buy etc. With a little sponsorship or > co-advertising? CompUSA in paticular seems receptive to this sort of thing. Not historically. They've only been willing to post flyers for us in the back training rooms, which occasionally get used for training or meetings, but mostly are apparantly used for storage. They may be willing to do something different now, and if so... that's great. In the past when we've had a lot of success we've posted flyers at most of the local computer shops (DIT, Dymin, Computer Shack...) and I think that's where most of our "customers" came from. -dc From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 30 22:06:35 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:06:35 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] OT: Wireless Questions Message-ID: Anyone know what the essid pccia24 is? An SSID like that is showing up all over town. Is it the DOT road cameras? -Nate From cialug@cialug.org Wed Mar 30 23:06:09 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:06:09 -0600 Subject: [Cialug] [Fwd: [amesfug] Autopackage 1.0 is out!] Message-ID: <424B30E1.6080201@visionary.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040801020501030009050601 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------040801020501030009050601 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="[amesfug] Autopackage 1.0 is out!" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="[amesfug] Autopackage 1.0 is out!" 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X-BeenThere: amesfug@amesfug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: amesfug@amesfug.org, Colin Wheeler List-Id: Ames Area Free Unix Group mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: amesfug-bounces@amesfug.org Errors-To: amesfug-bounces@amesfug.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on pop.visionary.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_BY_IP autolearn=ham version=3.0.0 One of my big gripes with Linux has just been fixed with the release of Autopackage 1.0, in other words I've been asking why isn't there an easy to use installer that I can use on any Linux distro regardless of what desktop environment im using. Autopackage an easy to use installer that has a Terminal interface, QT & GTK frontends as well as QT & GTK Software managers & uninstallers. I hope this gets picked up my most distros as a great way to distribute Linux software. OSNews just published a great article about Autopackage with links to their page with screenshots as well as a flash demo: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=10155 Colin Wheeler -- http://sourceforge.net/projects/asntrackerx/ - Keeping track of your classes has never been easier... _______________________________________________ amesfug mailing list amesfug@amesfug.org http://lists.amesfug.org/mailman/listinfo/amesfug --------------040801020501030009050601-- From cialug@cialug.org Thu Mar 31 04:23:55 2005 From: cialug@cialug.org (Dave Crouse) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 22:23:55 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Cialug] Interesting article, K12LTSP in use at Keokuk high school. Message-ID: <2842.12.216.128.145.1112243035.squirrel@usalug.net> http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?Date=20050313&Category=BUSINESS03&ArtNo=503130322&SectionCat= Had someone from CANADA that frequents my website send me this link lol... guess I should pay more attention to the local stuff ;) Didn't see anything posted on the list about it, so I thought I'd mention it. I use K12LTSP on my home system and have had alot of fun with it, and the benefits for schools are huge. Anyway, just thought I'd share. Maybe I'll actually come to the next meeting, perhaps I'll beat my record of showing up two times in one year this year :) (I set my goals low... I'm shooting for 3 ha ha ha). -- Dave Crouse USA Linux Users Group --------------------- Is your computer bored ? http://usalug.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5724 38th place as of 03-30-2005